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BingoBoingo: I mean its not like China has their MIPS alternative anywhere visible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they had the 'dragon' thing, aka 'rms laptop' 'loongson'. afaik folded.
BingoBoingo: Well, what could have went into that would have not gone into eating the market
BingoBoingo: Huawei switches and routers however have some rather beefy MIPS chips
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik all reich designs. near as i can tell, china succumbed to the old sovok disease, where 'let's make reich-compat. chips so that we can use warez'
BingoBoingo: Huawei already owns the high end fondleslab pNohe market outside the US. Not like they can't use owning the market to shift what the warez is.
asciilifeform: chinese ~could~ learn to write proggies themselves, but for some reason afaik no signs of this yet.
asciilifeform has had the misfortune of reading some of their attempts. ~same flavour as 'india coad' generally.
BingoBoingo: And how does that materially differ from Google?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: google has dozen or so people who can sorta write.
asciilifeform: if china does, it's a deep seekrit.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw they're all imported orc hands )
asciilifeform: google's, that is.
asciilifeform: we've seen this film before, sovok also had the notion 'software, eh, unimportant, let the буржуи write it an' we'll crib'
asciilifeform: those empty blocks they mine, is as clear a symptom as any.
BingoBoingo: Shame Mandarin as a single language appears potentially more crippling than English on an individual level (on a population level, very organized).
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that;s nonsense. huawei currnently owns the "smart"phone market. it's their own phone, it's better than the reich phone, etc. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: just because ~not reported~ by ustards means jack. ~exact same situation as ICBC, which is only mentioned re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612073 but which in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-05#703768 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 04:38 mircea_popescu: "Examples of existing business arrangements that constitute violations of the foreign-emoluments clause include: China’s state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is the largest tenant in Trump Tower, and the state-owned Bank of China is a major lender to Trump."
a111: Logged on 2014-06-05 12:19 mircea_popescu: the icbc is quite present here, to the point they do consumer advertising either. yet the argentines don't seem to have created any sort of synthetic debenture based proxy for the chinese currency
mp_en_viaje: that bank very much buy the us, if anyone wanted suchj. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: i get it, they don't do (enough) of what you want them to. but they do what they want to, for some reason they decided to go in through the phone hole. and they're in, orcs buy huawei, and declare it better than reich.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, all of huawei was built on [http://trilema.com/2011/modelele-succesului-intelectual/#comment-46439]]straight theft].
mp_en_viaje: problem is, took empire decade.5 to start mumbling about it ; and by now it's way too late, and their mumbling is vaguely reminiscent of bush jr's arab genocide attempt.
mp_en_viaje: ahhhh watermenlon
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915310 << certainly cheaper than crapple, who nao charges ~weight-in-gold for their brick. but afaik, both camps of 'smartpnoje wars' are of chinese iron with reich os. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 06:10 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that;s nonsense. huawei currnently owns the "smart"phone market. it's their own phone, it's better than the reich phone, etc.
mp_en_viaje: this is like observing both camps of chinese fighting over world carcass are wearing suits.
asciilifeform: hrm i seem to even recall that 'retro' costume is nao in fashion there
asciilifeform: a la the old imperial civil service garb
asciilifeform: ( could be -- disinfo. asciilifeform has not been to china, cannot confirm. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915314 << for all i know, long ago already bought. reminds me of a fella i knew who compulsively bought old cars ( and garages, all over town, to put'em in, in which for them to rust... ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 06:14 mp_en_viaje: that bank very much buy the us, if anyone wanted suchj.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Huawei sells pNohe models that dwarf Apple in price. The own the high end with a strong presence in the mid range market
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: canhaz link to item ?
asciilifeform with great difficulty pictures anyone other than ameritards paying 4fig price for pnojeisms
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/bFJMj Apparently some of the iThings that don't sell go higher in price, but 4-figure USD prices
BingoBoingo: Just under 1400 USD seems to be where they top out with the P30
asciilifeform: interesting. complete with crapple-style oled panel 'throw out after 2y from crt-style burn'
BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta keep the old high end from becoming the mid-low end in two years
asciilifeform: if to think about 'price ceiling', there is of course not a ceiling, even in 1990s there was somebody who sold gold-plated, diamond-encrusted motorola brickpnoje
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, all of the '4fig pnojes' are variations on this theme
asciilifeform: 'look how rolexy i am, i paid whole comp's price for disposable pocket shit' etc
asciilifeform: crapple, incidentally, jacked up the price not so that rich idjits would buy, but so that poor idjits -- rent
asciilifeform: ( if you walk into their store, the actual price iirc aint even printed on the sticker; instead 'monthly' rent )
BingoBoingo: A computer isn't the price comparison point here. This is Uruguay, they compare to the price of a motocicleta.
asciilifeform: pnoje is used as a comp substitute, neh, not transport
BingoBoingo: Sure, but no one think of computers as a known-price item here.
BingoBoingo: Then know the sticker prices on new motos
BingoBoingo: In the ongoing saga of a bizarre character: https://archive.is/mOwmu ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: did danielpbarron lift this fella's login or wat. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: No idea, seems an organic turn.
asciilifeform: 'acute christianity of the cns' ...apparently
BingoBoingo: This problem seems to be why every popular effort at making a political right ends up turning into another socialist left ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'ouroboros man', i.e. who disappeared up own arse, has no 'left' or 'right'
BingoBoingo: Sure he does. He just lacks any anchor for comparison that isn't his prostate-nose
asciilifeform did not read at length the 'red pill' people, but recalls that they had distinct streak of 'nostalgia' for a quasi-mythical past when 'would be issued a wife by village' etc ☟︎
BingoBoingo: My impression is that growing up in a land of insanity they ended up searching for sanity and ended up wandering into a different insanity
BingoBoingo wonders how much of the turn involves shrooms and psychadelics turning into a fad among that set of kids
asciilifeform: 'i was all fuckedup on drugs; but then i found jizzus; nao i'm all fucked up on jizzus; but that's ok, i'm taking drugs for it'(tm)(r)(al schwartz)
asciilifeform: in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915351 , remembered infamous example : 'quantum comp' propagandist s. aaronson at one point admitted that he named his www , 'shtetl-optimized' for this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 16:38 asciilifeform did not read at length the 'red pill' people, but recalls that they had distinct streak of 'nostalgia' for a quasi-mythical past when 'would be issued a wife by village' etc
asciilifeform: ( he for many years was unable to park his cock, and wrote about how he imagined that in his ancestral j00 village he could have been 'issued wife' and etc. )
asciilifeform: lulzily, for some yrs i occasionally read his www, and all that time thought it was named for some obscure algo ( y'know, how there is 'ant-colony optimization', variant on simulated annealing with multiple threads and 'pheromone trails' , imagined there is perhaps also a 'shtetl optimization'... )
asciilifeform: fella used to wite ~readable maffs pieces on occasion.
asciilifeform: *write
asciilifeform: today i can't stomach, even the older ones, barfalicious shilling for 'd-wave' co. etc.
asciilifeform: iirc some time in past coupla yrs he ended up moving to adlaistan and married.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of things I used to find "cool" or "interesting" that I can't tolerate anymore
asciilifeform: at 1 time asciilifeform worked in 'cpu-bound' protein modeling racket and salivated over 'possibility of qc' along with 9000 other chumps etc
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/usg-anti-massage-parlor-case-crumbling-over-orgasm-free-massage-footage/ << Qntra -- USG Anti-Massage Parlor Case Crumbling Over Orgasm Free Massage Footage
BingoBoingo: ^ USG Pantsuits defeated on their home turf
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915345 << not me. the guy's brand of false christianity forbids polygyny, apparently ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 16:31 asciilifeform: did danielpbarron lift this fella's login or wat.
asciilifeform: aa.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: hello all, from the european castle mp! ☟︎
asciilifeform: oh hey an entire mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on new castle bringup
mircea_popescu: lemme confirm all those mp_en_viaje was really me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking of doing the summer-in-europistan/winter-in-americas thing ?
mircea_popescu: in other sads : amd fx proc has one helluva hea tsink. it even includes a cool light rim around the outside
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, idiots didn't think to make it temp related. just simple cycler
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone do this!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, 3pin connector, like '90s ?!
mircea_popescu: the fan ? no, they're 4pin
asciilifeform: then oughta pwm, neh
mircea_popescu: hm ? it's a cpu fan, it steps and everything
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: so was speaking of the lamp
mircea_popescu: yes. they could have made the lamp color BY FAN STEP
mircea_popescu: rather than just dumbly cycle the rainbow
asciilifeform: yea dunno why no one does ( i dun buy the lamps, wtf, i have cork-lined steel chassis , where is the lamp to light )
mircea_popescu: it came with the thing, i just bought the fx black edition
asciilifeform recalls 1 time when he took entire car trunk's worth of cpuvendor-included heatsinks to scrapyard
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing as structured as al lthat. doing some travelling is all.
mircea_popescu: imo this one is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: copper, for one thing.
BingoBoingo: Nice
asciilifeform: notbad
asciilifeform: nowadays 'full metal jacket' copper rare even in aftermarket hedgehogs
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: oblig heatsink archaeology
mircea_popescu: upon research i am VERY happy with state of comp hw market here.
asciilifeform: if not megaseekrit, where approx is 'here' ? ( suburbs of timis ? )
mircea_popescu: "NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum" roflmao. ☟︎
asciilifeform brb:teatime
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-09#1195397 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-09 18:44 asciilifeform: !s царь-государь
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, so basically, moving into the switch phase of his bait and switch scheme ? didn't work for that other cocksucker, either.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is looking so. The switch is only a few hours old, but...
BingoBoingo: The shrooms seem to have influence the speed of the switch
mircea_popescu: honestly, he had ~0 business discussing fucking anyway, utter laughingstock mcdork.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, whole "pua" "ecosystem" was sad/lulzy porn derivative work, about as consequential as "gonzo porn" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: His audience is/was interesting for being the sort of alt-right which, had chance taken them saner... could have been a recruiting ground.
mircea_popescu: i have mah doubts.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915348 << every popular effort to anything turns to shit. because it has to, because populace == shit. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 16:35 BingoBoingo: This problem seems to be why every popular effort at making a political right ends up turning into another socialist left
BingoBoingo: The evidence bears that out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno whether that d00d even had a 'scheme'. was generic loud redditus iirc
mircea_popescu: he wrote this peculiarly elliot-like tedious piece abut fucking a 17yo
asciilifeform: there usedto be a whole 'www ring' of folx like that
asciilifeform: sorta dissipated, afaik, after trump crowned but not resulted in mega-revolutions
mircea_popescu: he predates, iirc early 2010s, obama 2.
asciilifeform: is the period most of'em started in, iirc
asciilifeform: ( obama1. 2 was '12-16 )
mircea_popescu: something thereabouts. end of 1 start of 2
asciilifeform: turned into messianic cult, of sorts, in '16, and then 'messiah' wiped arse with'em
asciilifeform: after that, wagner/cyanide