tmsr - Search: promise protocol

mp_en_viaje: but yes. lotta what is protocol is promise. starting with "segwit" bs, i won't unearth the threads.

asciilifeform: still remains the case that good % of what is typically thought of as the protocol, is actually promise ( i.e. it is trivial for a constructed noad to feed 'allcomers' 1 mempool, with stale shit, while he himself mines from entirely other set, that he dun relay to anyone , etc )

mircea_popescu: by the time you ask "why would anyone choose the wrong color bits" you've moved from protocol to promise.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 19:13 asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them

asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them ☟︎

asciilifeform: in other 'news', antonouwhateverderp apparently gave a talk to 'sv investors' et al where he plagiarized protocol-vs-promise wholesale and made up own terminology, etc.

asciilifeform: znort987: familiar with the 'protocol vs promise' concept that we developed and exposed here ?

mircea_popescu: there's "promise" in the bitcoin protocol that you'll type digits where the digits go.

asciilifeform: entire appeal of 'v' is to drive out 'promise' from protocol with hot irons.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 18:37 asciilifeform: mats: did you (or anybody else...) ever come up with a 'crypto poker using btc' scheme, at all, that relies on protocol (vs promise) ?

asciilifeform: mats: did you (or anybody else...) ever come up with a 'crypto poker using btc' scheme, at all, that relies on protocol (vs promise) ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: sort of like having a log, except in everybody's client at once, and with heavy does of 'promise' (vs protocol)

asciilifeform: thing is, computer rides on 'promise', not protocol, because there is no way of inspecting the dies.

asciilifeform: problem is that , as with nearly every aspect of vlsi, the described function is ~promise~ not protocol.

a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:12 asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~.

asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~. ☟︎

asciilifeform: at any rate, spec is a weak animal when it relies on promise, rather than protocol. ideally you want a simple litmus test for conformance that insta-zaps deviants

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the keys are only used in the authentication. so what gets said afterwards is 'promise', not 'protocol'

mircea_popescu: and you know, in the endless "protocol vs promise" thing (such as - if you free man from labour, you will get incredible developments in culture and civilisation (promise) ; or else you'll get a horde of decayed re-monkeys (protocol) | respectively "if you include women in the political process, you'll get the fundamental if unobvious points to males, like this one, well included and represented into the public matters (promi

mircea_popescu: steffen you gotta make sure your pgp is actual protocol-strength rsa not merely promise-strength rsa tho.

asciilifeform: (incidentally, the node/mine dichotomy is an excellent illustration of the 'protocol vs promise' principle. in that initially, they were one and the same - cpu miner was enabled. but this was 'promise' in the sense that nothing kept the two tethered together)

asciilifeform: thing is, regardless of how this is settled, there was a catastrophic failure in 'protocol vs promise' land where bbet never nailed down what ~exactly~ bet winners are promised.

mircea_popescu: promise here being a term of art standing in opposition with protocol.

ben_vulpes: i recently took a 45 minute sojourn into the history of "protocol vs. promise"

asciilifeform: well signature comes with a mechanical algo for verification; everything beyond that is 'promise', rather than protocol

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435975 << non-cryptographic signatures are really 99+% 'promise' and precious little protocol. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the one thing i will say for certain is that the moving parts gotta be ~number-theoretical~ entities, rather than idiot protocol-promise goop

asciilifeform: a good chunk of the 'protocol' as i pictured it, turned out to be... promise.

mircea_popescu: P stands for protocol, not for promise.

mircea_popescu: by protocol or by promise ?

mircea_popescu: protocol vs promise.

asciilifeform: the fundamental issue that bothers me is that a broken hash is where 'protocol' begins to decay into 'promise'

ascii_modem: well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ?

asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it

jurov: promise "we'll try next time using proper protocol for boarding from international waters"

asciilifeform: there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol')

asciilifeform: 'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson?