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mircea_popescu: that should hold us for a while then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497549 << is not. missing ; etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 22:16 mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << his problems is that ips aren't that strong an identification. nothing can be done about it for now, so whatevs. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: myea
Joshua-I: Cool! So voicing myself worked. Sorry about leaving abruptly earlier: my free wifi time was up just as I logged in here
mircea_popescu: welcome
Joshua-I: Anyway, executive summary is I do web development typically
Joshua-I: Ty mircea
Joshua-I: And I've been hanging out with Gabe
mircea_popescu: what's a gabe ?
Joshua-I: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/ <-- him
asciilifeform: 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin to become a citizen.' << this is open invitation to kako to emplace goatse
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << mno. there is no mitm countermeasure because bitcoin nodes have no identity. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
trinque: mod6 │ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497604 << of naked tcp, aha. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:14 shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
Joshua-I: Mmm excellent
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu try as i might, i can't get the comment-staleness thing to work
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki ☟︎
asciilifeform: has anyone other than phf gotten it to work 100% ?
trinque: I see value in keeping old tutorials available as historical items, for one
asciilifeform: (complete with enabling all antispam, etc)
shinohai: Working on it asciilifeform ... I just haven't had a decent box to run it all on
asciilifeform: even after adding the necessary hooks to the comments.php from particular theme, and the resulting html follows the pattern seen on mircea_popescu's site, i still get 'stale' error
asciilifeform: when submitting comment.
asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/#comment-63145
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016-info/hillary-protection/hillary-protection-2016.htm << possibly entertaining, clitler's guards
Joshua-I: Guess I'll set up that trusted node stuff in a vm
Joshua-I: bbl going for dinner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got a better link ?
asciilifeform: for which
mircea_popescu: the goatse
asciilifeform: trb? trinque made one
asciilifeform: see l0gz from last hour
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: now then. what coment staleness ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497623 << might be worth a shot ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:26 trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
asciilifeform: 'Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again.' << that one.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497630 << notrly the whole purpose, but a good chunk sure. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:28 asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link me to your instlal again what was it ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing comment_post_time
mircea_popescu: $comment_post_time
mircea_popescu: $s comment_post_time
a111: 5 results for "comment_post_time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comment_post_time
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: where does it go
mircea_popescu: either lift it from his patch or else put it in the theme comments under comment_post_ID
asciilifeform: and yeah it worx, ty
mircea_popescu: win.
asciilifeform: except hm
mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: does login persist by ip ?
asciilifeform: why does commenting inside fresh browser instance end up 'admin'
mircea_popescu: only admin login should exist ; works by cookie
asciilifeform: hm dun seem to actually work
asciilifeform: other than as logged in user
asciilifeform: try it
asciilifeform: it goes to mod queue
asciilifeform: but with 0 feedback to commenter
asciilifeform: just pops right back up at the form with empty contents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so add feedback if you want feedback.
mircea_popescu: trilema has a info bit above the comment box instead.
asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi how and where.
asciilifeform: there is a built-in 'if comment_approved' thing in the themes
asciilifeform: but for some reason the flag is not present ?
asciilifeform: this is particular to wp-mp
mircea_popescu: lol that's not claled "it dun work" now is it. for instance, if youy;d like your current "Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *" to read like my "If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed." then grep for the first string replace with 2nd string.
mircea_popescu: "if comment_approved" can't be a flag at post time.
asciilifeform: in STOCK wp, it is !
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: hitting 'submit' to be presented with the original page and blank form and NO indication of what happened, is nonsense
mircea_popescu: b
mircea_popescu: b
asciilifeform: and this is not what happens on trilema
mircea_popescu: damn. how would the machinery know at the time someone hits submit whether you'l lapprove it later or not ?
asciilifeform: it knows that it is in the mod queue
asciilifeform: vs immediately-approved
mircea_popescu: ok, so you want it to do a "your comment is awaiting moderation" thing ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: most of the themes appear to already have the hook
mircea_popescu: guess what : trilema does this
mircea_popescu: (try, see)
asciilifeform: test (Your comment is awaiting moderation)
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: so, how ??
mircea_popescu: teh... normal way ?
mircea_popescu: iirc phf's install does it also.
asciilifeform: it does
asciilifeform: but he never published his theme
asciilifeform: so i have nfi how !
asciilifeform: default theme does no such thing
mircea_popescu: i thought he was using teh default.
asciilifeform: apparently not
mircea_popescu: weird shit.
mircea_popescu: grep for the string what you got there ?
asciilifeform: it is in wp-includes/comment-template.php
mircea_popescu: no, in comments.php
asciilifeform: not in the default theme !
mircea_popescu: well possibly because it doesn't support this.
asciilifeform: the only place in mp tarball that has it
mircea_popescu: obviously. if the text not there you ain't getting it.
asciilifeform: is the template.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mp tarball does not include a theme.
asciilifeform: my theme has it !
mircea_popescu: dude...
asciilifeform: yes i know
mircea_popescu: <? if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><em>(Your comment is awaiting moderation)</em> << in comments.php, where you want it posted.
asciilifeform: <?php if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><span class="unapproved"><?php _e('Your comment is awaiting moderation.', 'veryplaintxt') ?></span><?php endif; ?>
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: there it is.
asciilifeform: and 0 effect.
mircea_popescu: weird.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "php _e" ?
asciilifeform: how the hell would i know
mircea_popescu: apparently your interpreter doesn't either.
mircea_popescu: nfi what _e function is, myself.
asciilifeform: https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/_e << appears to be a thing..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. a thing introduced after 2008
mircea_popescu: stick to echo.
asciilifeform: my php has it
asciilifeform: or, e.g., 'Post a Comment' would likewise fail to appear.
asciilifeform: and numerous other strings similarly encrudded in the theme.
asciilifeform: so this isn't it.
shinohai: php _e <<< that is a wordpress turd that makes it display in multiple languages iirc
trinque: yeah but the span doesn't appear either
trinque: in teh html sauce
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: <h3 id="respond"><?php _e('Post a Comment', 'veryplaintxt') ?></h3> becomes <h3 id="respond">Post a Comment</h3>
asciilifeform: so i dun see the problem ?
trinque: if _e were emitting empty string that'd be one thing
trinque: but the span around it doesn't show up in the source on the next page after POST
trinque: asciilifeform: maybe <pre><?php print_r($comment) ?></pre> in that template somewhere
trinque: or whatever it was, it's been a while
asciilifeform: trinque: and this will tell me what ?
trinque: print_r will dump the contents of that var into the template
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi where.
asciilifeform: or why i should be spending time emplacing 1,001 printf debuggeries
asciilifeform: when this thing apparently WORKS in mircea_popescu's unpublished original.
asciilifeform: i confess that i have not found this exercise to be either pleasant, or educational, or productive.
asciilifeform: it is about as much fun as reading cobol.
trinque: ahaha
trinque: there is always "not to be"
asciilifeform: phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i - do not. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's. ☟︎
asciilifeform: how the fuck do folks put up with a thing with no debugger ?
trinque: it's an overgrown templating language that came of needing to turn db queries into html and not much else
trinque: written by some guy that needed to make a website one time
trinque: even if you had your debugger it wouldn't be meaningfully attached to the browser
trinque: sure there's skewer and whatever other *awful* madness I've dipped my dick into now and again
asciilifeform: even half a debugger, that meaningfully steps through the process of shitting out the html, would be useful
trinque: runs afoul of your "no, whole earth must burn" though
asciilifeform: it must.
trinque: I agree 100%
trinque: and hell, you want a proper blog^H^H^H^H command line interface to a bunch of articles gimmeh teh gossipd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497752 << yeah. you're also infinitely more expensive to support. i'm guessing maybe this is just not for you ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: i - do not.
mircea_popescu: no idea how that'd be possibru in computing, but somehow apparently.
asciilifeform: it is quite possible, this cobol is ~entirely foreign to me.
mircea_popescu: but yes, trinque has it : html crap is by definition undebuggable.
asciilifeform: back when i set up original www, i used a heathen shitpress with as much as could be removed.
asciilifeform: and the result ~worked.
asciilifeform: and left it at that.
asciilifeform: this was in 2007.
mircea_popescu: well so copy it over or w/e.
asciilifeform: i don't want to akismet any moar !
mircea_popescu: ah. well, maybe let it be give it another try once shinohai produced a version.
trinque: then bite the dowel and put the print_r in
asciilifeform: i'ma install it trb-style
asciilifeform: which is to say, once somebody shares a COMPLETE package
asciilifeform: without 'now re-invent this wheel i didn't feel like posting'
shinohai: TIL php may possibly be asciilifeform 's kryptonite
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: shinohai: i always despised wwwtronics and made no secret of it.
shinohai: :D
trinque: god I think I have surrogate indigestion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, if your original is from 2007, mp-wp should work with your theme out of the box.
mircea_popescu: maybe try that.
asciilifeform: i specifically wanted a new site, independent of old and producing no down time when tweaked
asciilifeform: and i dun like me old theme either
asciilifeform: it sux quite mightily, as discussed in original thread
asciilifeform: (mutilated images)
mircea_popescu: ah.
asciilifeform: was trying for clean start here.
mircea_popescu: well then find a theme that doesn't suck.
asciilifeform: i did !
mircea_popescu: "fails to do what i want with queued comments" = sucks.
asciilifeform: and it run work with mp-wp
asciilifeform: though it was written for 2.x !
asciilifeform: *dun work
mircea_popescu: mno. you found a theme that sucks. find a theme that doesn't suck
asciilifeform: where?!
mircea_popescu: where "does exactly what i want" = not sucks
asciilifeform: i tried dozens
mircea_popescu: well that i dunno.
asciilifeform: they all suck.
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: so answer seems to be 'write theme'
mircea_popescu: this complaint i heard befoar.
asciilifeform: which phf is qualified to do, and i am not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, eventually serenity is gonna produce one i think.
asciilifeform: then i will use, and say 'thank you'
mircea_popescu: cool. not emergency anyway.
mircea_popescu: but odds are you'll say "this doesn't work".
asciilifeform: but i'm a bit sad that there is no place to put the submarine pics.
asciilifeform: they were spiffy.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any web / css / designer people wants to do something useful, an old amiga/dos style theme for the tmsr wp would be apparently mucho appreciated.
asciilifeform: muchly so.
asciilifeform: or even simply a plain text, minimal bytemass sort of thing.
asciilifeform: i dun so much care that it 'looks like commodore64' but it really ought to fit in the address space of one.
asciilifeform: simply matter of principle.
asciilifeform: 200kB css is loathesome.
Joshua-I: Interesting. I'll look at some c64 UIs to get a feel
Joshua-I: This is neat: https://wordpress.org/themes/commodore/
Joshua-I: demo: http://unitednetworksonline.com/themes/commodore/
asciilifeform: i had no doubt that this exists.
asciilifeform: but i'd rather just have a <64kB thing.
asciilifeform: that i could read + understand.
Joshua-I: Like css wise right
asciilifeform: whole mass minus payload.
asciilifeform: and ditto on server side.
Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: You obviously haven't seen qntra theme
Joshua-I: Yeah I did a quick check and the answer is yes
Joshua-I: I have seen it just though jquery was built right in there, since I've never seen wp without it
Joshua-I: thought*
BingoBoingo: And no, qntra theme has not yet been tested with mp-wp. Runs own wp fork.
BingoBoingo: Which is still different from thedrinkingrecord.com wp fork.
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Kv9GOVZ.png
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 677.03, vol: 3280.11410402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.208, vol: 5607.44156 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 677.82, vol: 18782.23503567 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 1.12022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.36845, vol: 36156.96860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 679.98, vol: 1004.31958923 | Volume-weighted last average: 679.854440681
Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Prolly best to read the last monthe first and then jump back to 2013
BingoBoingo: Just want the most recent month to put history into context
Joshua-I: Hm ok thanks
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe start in January 2016 and read to no and then do 2015, 2014, and 2013
BingoBoingo: Lots of ways to break it up.
BingoBoingo: But hanbot's 6 month quote was from 3 years ago so I assume best to to just read ONLY six months of logz and be like "I r Bitcoin nao"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497830 << make sure you're working off the correct version. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 02:08 Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497840 << logs stretch out to 2012. at this point prolly best approach is to put word of your interest in search, read the results and the references. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 03:17 Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
mircea_popescu: and in udder baltimore news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8231ba173d2c6988fdf7d67788c7cd54/tumblr_nd97jtht0E1tgqup7o1_400.gif
Joshua-I: I have some guddens for sure
mircea_popescu: $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/54eb7a21-11fa-420b-b775-1c3744ff6f98/
Joshua-I: I suggest writing a bible
Joshua-I: Perhaps with a question on graph theory in the front cover
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b862fdb3-600c-4ecc-abad-be0cb03b83e8/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I you mean like trilema ?
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/54eb7a21-11fa-420b-b775-1c3744ff6f98/?raw=true
Joshua-I: Well they would be isomorphic I'm sure
deedbot: accepted: 1
Joshua-I: But at least it'd all be in one link
Joshua-I: ;)
mircea_popescu: you realise trilema is however many million words.
Joshua-I: Well I'm sure you can cut some of the posts
mircea_popescu: i forget the figure, but in any case the only way one could be tricked into even starting is by creating the false impression that it's approachable through cutting it up into articles
BingoBoingo: A ponder http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/#comment-63157
mircea_popescu: worth a chuckle
mats: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/littoral-combat-ship-congress-navy-pentagon-400-million-pork-214009
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: 400mn PER ITEM. 10bn or w/e all told.
mircea_popescu: "The House bill, for example, includes $1.5 billion for an unrequested modern “amphibious” warship for dual land and sea missions, $400 million for four unrequested C-40 aircraft to carry cargo and commanders, and $1 billion worth of unrequested National Guard equipment, a perennial pork-barrel favorite, the Taxpayers for Common Sense report said. " << so basically, 1`000`000 smartphones.
mircea_popescu: are there even 1mn people in the natl guard ?
mircea_popescu: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: Message to future noobs. I spent, on several occasions, multiple days (3-5) doing nothing but reading trilema.com, logs & loper-os to catch up - there is no "hack" to get up to speed.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: also, you'll be pleased to note that a flash drive of the appropriate size is being shipped to me on thursday
mats: ~1.4mn
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel cool deal!
mats: most of which are geriatric fucks
mats: or fatties.
mircea_popescu: mats i bet they could break up a mini-rave.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what uss forth worth would fetch if they gave up the pretense it's a "warship" and just auctioned it off in singapore.
mats: apparently 'walking profile' is a thing (you can walk at a brisk pace instead of running your 2mi in ~15mins)
mats: for the physical fitness test.
mircea_popescu: prolly a better deal than trying to tow it back to maryland or w/e it is they've been trying to do and not managing since january.
mircea_popescu: mats o hey, i qualified today! walked about six miles or so, bout 50 mins
mats: in seriousness, i think its pretty reasonable to keep skilled but physically unfit people
gabriel_laddel: wtf else are you going to do?
mircea_popescu: why ?
mats: and on the whole most of the guardsmen i've ever seen are more fit than the typical cop
mircea_popescu: wtf is the point of having 1.4mn natl guard when all you can ever conceivably use is maybe 20-50k ?
mats: well, they have institutional knowledge over however many 20-30-40 years in .mil and you'll throw it away because they're fat?
mircea_popescu: even that's far fetched, us management capacities bottom out around 1-2k people or so, as seen in both wtc and katrina theatres.
mircea_popescu: anything past that's just chaos.
mircea_popescu: mats "institutional knowledge", explain this to me ? they're gonna put the fire out with mess hall jokes ?
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mircea_popescu: but leaving that part aside, anyone overweight to the point of impaired mobility is seriously lacking in basic reasoning skills ; i have a hard time buying the theory they're of average intelligence. they probably score slightly above the "can't learn to read and write" and slightly below the "can't learn to drive" camps of retards.
mats: decades of networks, relationships, first-hand knowledge of why things work a particular way, management experience, ...
mircea_popescu: ugh.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the difference is in the concept of what's the mission for this unit. i'm thinking "national guard is for the government to have who to call when it needs a sudden influx of unskilled labour".
mircea_popescu: what's yours ?
mats: well, us national guard has been doing a lot of warfighting recently.
mircea_popescu: true, but this isn't supporting your view, is it ?
mircea_popescu: last thing anyone wants is more fucks you couldn't carry in a warzone.
mircea_popescu: institutional knowledge~= "nur um zu lernen, wie man messer und gabel halt!" in untergang-german.
mats: i dunno that it is so grievous a sin for a pilot aged 61 to be unable to run 2 miles in 20 minutes
mircea_popescu: well, here's the thing : it's not a grevious sin for a 61yo man to not be able to get it up. it is at the very least bizarre for him to be in the cast of a porno movie.
mats: or, even, 41, infantrymen are held to a different standard
mircea_popescu: same idea.
mats: the old guys know where the bodies are buried, whaddya want from me already
mircea_popescu: eh, nothing, nothing, by all means. the youth movement, the old man movement, the fat guy movement, the bla bla, give them all uniforms and hold parades.
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: mats ftr, i've yet to know a man who was in shape throughout his life - some sane athletics in college, not the us crapolade, some hiking or whatever as an adult, who actually couldn't run 10 km/h for 20 minutes.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if it were the case, cardiologist (who didn't prescribe lipitor either) would be on his case about it every visit.
mircea_popescu: sure, performance decays with age, but not that much and not that soon. different for women, granted, they cork out, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: and in other mahogany bomber news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/b8575a2801c3806f56a118a0f1e4cad2/tumblr_nxaig5ZjB81qb42qto2_1280.jpg
Joshua-I: Somehow all this war talk is putting me in the mood for music
Joshua-I: In other realization news: http://www.ebbits.net/strip/2014.06.18
mircea_popescu: trippy.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497753 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1094155 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 20:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the difference between smart and stupid is that smart can be stupid, but stupid can't be smart. that's it.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:34 asciilifeform: i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's.
phf: debugger is there, just don't listen to mp and carpet disable it, i've not actually ever touched php before, "knows enough" _literally_ copy pasted commands out of LAMP setup tutorial, etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf in fairness i disable it because mine works.
mircea_popescu: trinque http://deedbot.org/ << latest deeds not up ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Hi, My name is Rupa and I am from very reputed India based Mobile Application Development Company. Our Company conceives, develops and manages high quality applications for mobiles. WE DEVELOP CHART TOPPING MOBILE APPS with world class UI & UX for businesses to whom mobile is equally important as web." << if anyone needs her number.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10W7 <<< now with crispier hash
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: "You are right, it's actually easier to create a new identity in the "bitcoin" world than in the "fiat" world." << lolk. except in fiat you can move to next town, next county, next state, next country, next continent, and never run into the same burned and turned peers again. not so in bitcoin.
shinohai: I was shocked at the amount of comments that article generated pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: the surveillance state has ~nothing on bitcoin in terms of tracking identity
shinohai: Also https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/750676033720946689
mircea_popescu: shinohai qntra going mainstream eh.
pete_dushenski: not even two years on eh
mircea_popescu: guess not!
shinohai: To me, prime example of "We'll make our own WoT, with blackjack and hookers!!!!"
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497455 << reepliyed ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 19:04 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/#comment-63127
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497580 << in which i find out that 'laocoon' was napping and 4k blocks behind o.O ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-05 22:35 mod6: i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. two times already i put that joke with the servant girl playing the head in the haystack game with the local boys only for her mistress to ask if she might join and for the reassuring retort that sure, the husband often does.
mircea_popescu: AND I CANT FIND IT
mircea_popescu: what, i recount it a third time now ? bloody hell...
pete_dushenski: https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/jul/04/do-cows-get-seasick-rotterdam-floating-dairy-farm-netherlands << speaking of milkshakes
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: http://67.media.tumblr.com/bfc77913f9666e730204683a2a805958/tumblr_o8r86bfJq31sfrezlo1_250.gif << idem ;)
mircea_popescu: kinda the main problem with fixed tits.
mircea_popescu: vigurous fucking is bad enough for large girls, but if they're fixed the silicone has different dynamic properties from the tissue, can end up with internal bruising and whatnot.
shinohai prefers natural titties any day.
mircea_popescu: http://66.media.tumblr.com/b90dab8c98836b1a119487a01e49d9f4/tumblr_ncieqxftES1req2vuo1_500.gif << just as long as there's enough of them, amirite.
shinohai: http://66.media.tumblr.com/cdd243d1859f05f6f42ec45eb3c0f59a/tumblr_mk0rtf8BA91ryvi3lo1_500.jpg
pete_dushenski: https://66.media.tumblr.com/edb8b4b5d7fd85b22e7134492a5341e3/tumblr_o8r84tdIjK1sfrezlo1_500.gif << 4real
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone be a darling put http://trilema.com/2016/on-beatings/ into whichever reddit it is whit the wyminz ? something chromosome ?
shinohai: twoxchromosones.
shinohai: They make it a frivkin default sub so you auto subscribe when you join
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai: I misspelled chromosomes lol
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/
mircea_popescu: aha
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/4rijd5/on_beatings/ <<< done
shinohai: Naturally I expect to be banned and punched full of pitchfork holes within the hour. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sorry about that.
shinohai: Meh I love ruffling their feathers in that sub. Literally takes a minute to make 3 new accounts there.
mircea_popescu: but this is a bidniss idea... pitchfork hole porn... for feministas
mircea_popescu: oh and speaking of untranslatable trilema,
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_radio http://trilema.com/2011/fututul-cu-repetitie/ yo :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: bitnodes won't display these nodes now>> http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html but they are def pingable from my nodes
mircea_popescu: heh. da fuck do they know anyway.
shinohai: thestringpuller: It's because we are evil and controlled by @21
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: except mine.
shinohai: *bitnodes is controlled by @21
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: which one is yours?
shinohai: Change your version string to "21co Bitnode" and see how fast it makes top of list
thestringpuller: << that guy right?
pete_dushenski: yup
mircea_popescu: lol. "21co Bitnode fucks goats" is version ?
pete_dushenski: ha!
deedbot: [Trilema] On beatings - http://trilema.com/2016/on-beatings/
thestringpuller: wow bitnodes is terrible you have to directly hit the api to get the update info. the search function is completely broke
thestringpuller: what is with these turds they keep dressing up in suits and ties
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBa4-5YCIA&FEATURE=related << in case you ever wanted your credit card to point you towards mecca
shinohai: VC money hard at work thestringpuller !\
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i don't think they ever maintained that page past the original pr round for it
shinohai: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/750690874191851521 <<< neither will his ego
thestringpuller: "VC money hard at work" << VC money has become the new tax payer dollars being "hard at work"
shinohai: indeed.
shinohai: I guess Balaji Srinivasan gave up on his threat to sue me for defamation. Doesn't want to waste any precious fundz.
thestringpuller: no bitcoin company that took fiat investment amounted to anything
mircea_popescu: who ?
thestringpuller: it's like how sasha grey wanted to be actual star, not just porn star
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: o she did ?
mircea_popescu: what'd she make ?
asciilifeform reads 'vc', automatically thinks 'viet cong'
mircea_popescu: http://67.media.tumblr.com/86823d9a14b3294ac6051791f2462e24/tumblr_nu1i0yOjGs1ucu78yo1_500.gif << vc ie "very clean" :D
mircea_popescu: lol roger ver is still around ? the self-mining comedy goldmine!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497963 << seems not, check it out https://archive.is/gyoX1 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 13:49 shinohai: Naturally I expect to be banned and punched full of pitchfork holes within the hour.
mircea_popescu: 100% UPBOAT
shinohai: Mods are asleep :D
mircea_popescu: kik @ the "content rules" thingee.
mircea_popescu: ODIOUS INFLUXES!!!
mircea_popescu: i guess womenz know all about this topic ?
asciilifeform: 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0' << this has really gone on long enough.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497925 << phf wrote working theme from scratch by cutting and pasting ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 12:05 phf: debugger is there, just don't listen to mp and carpet disable it, i've not actually ever touched php before, "knows enough" _literally_ copy pasted commands out of LAMP setup tutorial, etc.
mircea_popescu: i'd expect so ?
mircea_popescu: ftm, iirc he said so.
asciilifeform: turns out his cutter and paster beats mine.
mircea_popescu: well, you're more dedicated to deciding stuff doesn't work as widely as it'd guarantee to unworking stuff makes it in. this is suicidal for web-anything.
mircea_popescu: no unworking stuff*
asciilifeform: i have a ratchet
mircea_popescu: in other news, security consultants make terrible stand-up comedians.
shinohai: "IWF ... has provided a database of bitcoin addresses associated with sexual abuse to the startup. Elliptic" http://archive.is/CmZNi
asciilifeform: if x worked to level l, ever, in my entire experience, then if if works to < l, then 'it dun work'.
asciilifeform: which is right and proper.
mircea_popescu: no argument.
mircea_popescu: imagine that wonder if you will, guy in black suit goes up on stage, eyes dart around nervously, then he proceeds... "Hey, ever heard about the... hey! HEY MR! Yes you in the 2nd row. What's that in your jacket ???"
mircea_popescu: shinohai what the ?
mircea_popescu: someone tell @pete_rizzo_ THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLICIT BITCOIN USE
mircea_popescu: and if there is, i'ma say what. not fucking usg, or for that matter pete rizzo.
mircea_popescu: derps.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/14/first-largest-bestest-ever-in-the-us/ << pete rizzo history
pete_dushenski: hm thought there was more on him in that one. must be confusing him for another coindesktard
mircea_popescu: so small, so dumb, and already has a history ?
shinohai: I wonder how they obtained said db of addresses. Did owners sign messages saying "I use this Bitcoin addy to make sexually abusive purchases" ?
mircea_popescu: anyone know the joke with the ceausescu visiting the queen ?
pete_dushenski wants to hear it
mircea_popescu: shinohai same way they obtain anything else : scratched ass, smelled finger.
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ceausescu visits queen. the respective delegations are introduced : on the english side, Lord Peppytoe, Lord Muskrat, Lord Fuckhorse and Lord Vomitoss
mircea_popescu: on the romanian side, andrei popescu, ion popescu, nicolae popescu, gheorghe popescu and a shock : the 26 yo mihai popescu, lost in this sea of 50 to 60 yos.
mircea_popescu: a gasp from the audience
mircea_popescu: "so young and deja popescu!"
pete_dushenski: lol. took me a minute!
mircea_popescu: english humor, like english weather, rite ? if you don't like, give it a minute.
pete_dushenski: "BitPay’s market cap of $160M is 106,667 BTC, which is a shit-ton for a company that doesn’t publish its financials, but still less than 11% of the big bad MPEx." << from last linked contravex. lol different times eh.
thestringpuller: BitPay's market cap is a lot less than that
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh. isn't bitpay the thing that failed to close financing last year and is probably going to go for a few mn this year ?
thestringpuller: unless they are getting money under the table
thestringpuller: from what i've been told the insurance claim on the phished coins is going to fall through so they'll have to write it off as an expense and hope one day they get a tax credit when they make actual money
thestringpuller: they are barely treading water, and are hiring interns for cheap instead of real staff cause they are running out of funds
thestringpuller: (also notice the aggressive push to charge for their services)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "bitpay the thing that failed to close financing" << If they can increase the block size they might get some more money ;) But at this point wouldn't the leadership have to publicly perform seppekku to make them at all trustworthy?
mircea_popescu: apropos the nothing : here's how you find the "unseen votes" value on reddit = x = vote_count * (1- implied downvote %) / (printed upvote % - implied downvote %).
mircea_popescu: so, should an article have "3 votes, 81% upvoted", x = 3*19/62 = ~1. therefore of the total 5 votes, one was against
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller only marginally been watching
shinohai: Hey it has survived one hour with only 1 downboat, I'm pretty impressed.
thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/750009401591816192 << i have to admit this guy does get some lulz from me ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'physical btc' crapolade never gets old, does it
thestringpuller: i think he engraved that into the blockheader...
thestringpuller: i dunno tho.
asciilifeform: linked item is a physical toy.
asciilifeform: http://store.btcc.com/products/2016-n-series-bitcoin-block-with-forever-engraving
thestringpuller: It's loaded with the coinbase from a mined block.
thestringpuller: And whatever you engrave I think you can have put in the coinheader
thestringpuller: you pay up front
thestringpuller: Sauce "Optionally, you can order your Bitcoin Block with a personalized Forever™ message. With Forever™, your personalized message will be both permanently engraved on the global bitcoin blockchain and laser etched onto your Bitcoin Block."
thestringpuller: Mow has one that says, "Bitcoin has failed" - Mike Hearn
asciilifeform: i dun care if it is made of gold, shitanium, hitler's skull, etc.; my take on folks selling envelopes which may or may not contain a funded privkey, and may or may not contain the ONLY extant copy thereof, remains same. ☟︎
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, all existing 'physical btc' have backup privkeys somewhere.
asciilifeform: and as usd sinks, the temptation to ~use~ them, for whatever lost soul has them in possession, will exponentially up.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1F5xqnvL9DPdF64FGarNTDLxYBuQQfPx2E << the first bitcoin i ever bought.
thestringpuller: minted by casascius
asciilifeform: what of it ?
thestringpuller: The likelihood of a duplicate key existing is linked to casascius web of trust
thestringpuller: speaking of
thestringpuller: $rated casascius
deedbot: thestringpuller rated casascius 2 at 2014/06/22 13:45:58 << never met him never talked to him. after buying my first bitcoins, I turned one into a Casascius coin. Haven't opened, maybe never will. He is the hero Bitcoin needs.
thestringpuller: will neg rate if I look at pub address can't use key. or if i crack open coin and can't sweep key.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this is a 'protocol vs promise' issue.
asciilifeform: when you transact with btc the way it was built to be transacted with, the problem does not exist. ☟︎
asciilifeform: when you trade plastic, titanium, whatever, toys, that may-or-may-not-contain-valid-and-only-privkey-for-x-btc, you expose yourself.
asciilifeform: in entirely, imho, unnecessary way.
asciilifeform: the exchange value of the toy ought to be LESS than of naked coin, not more.
asciilifeform: (but ~by how much~ less, is unquantifiable, as the risk is.)
asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~. ☟︎
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497927 << anyone see tx 3b25814dbf1ff4982ccc1e0a44fed01f53e36a1350ec2ac2aeb15ba8c625fa70 which spent to 12zsNY4cHrwc39WqHZd3seSWudgbztF9Bp ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 12:22 mircea_popescu: trinque http://deedbot.org/ << latest deeds not up ?
asciilifeform: when you pop the coin, 25 years later, and it turns out to contain 0,
trinque: my node seems to think it sent it
asciilifeform: you will NOT know why.
asciilifeform: for all you know, it could have been a burglar who broke in 10 years earlier, and read the key using the device i described here.
asciilifeform: or it could have been nsa backdoor in the machine where the keys were genned
asciilifeform: or, or, or.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: or aliens could have read the private key from the psionic thoughts of the person creating the keys when they abducted him in the middle of kansas
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in so far as you, user of 'physical coin', will be concerned, it may as well have been martians, yes.
asciilifeform: for all of the recourse you will have.
asciilifeform: the 'physical coin' is a fundamentally, definitionally bezzlatronic device
asciilifeform: because it creates the necessary conditions for bezzle, but without any upside
asciilifeform: galbraith's original bezzle
asciilifeform: y'know, that one, 'Embezzlement, Galbraith observed, has the property that “weeks, months, or years elapse between the commission of the crime and its discovery. This is the period, incidentally, when the embezzler has his gain and the man who has been embezzled feels no loss. There is a net increase in psychic wealth.” Galbraith described that increase in wealth as “the bezzle.”'
shinohai: thestringpuller: You ever seen my friend Mitchell's collection?
thestringpuller: shinohai: i don't think so. i've only seen smickles' collection
asciilifeform: is everyone here familiar with standard vs iterated prisoner's dilemma ?
asciilifeform: iterated pd has a nash equilibrium, 'tit for tat'
asciilifeform: what we know as 'you fuck me, i negrate'
asciilifeform: STANDARD, single-shot prisoner's dilemma, has EXACTLY ONE SANE STRATEGY: ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'defect'.
asciilifeform: i posit that 'physical bitcoin' is a ~single shot~ prisoner's dilemma.
asciilifeform: and that a substantial fraction, perhaps ALL, of minters, kept backups.
shinohai: thestringpuller: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1261680.0
asciilifeform: correctly supposing that folks will wait for years, decades, to open the package
asciilifeform: and they can cash out when btc is worth $maxint but before most of the chumps scratch that hologram.
thestringpuller: yes, and this is why we have wot
thestringpuller: "minter x negrate"
asciilifeform: sigh.
asciilifeform: wot ONLY WORKS FOR ITERATED PD
asciilifeform: srsly this is hard concept ?
thestringpuller: I get what you're saying, but this is why "don't spend more than can afford to lose"
asciilifeform: 'only strategy is defect' means: 'spend 0 because you are quite likely to lose ALL'
asciilifeform: it is a thing with 0 up-side, like putting arm into bear trap
thestringpuller: well when casascius scams me you can be the first to "I told you so"
asciilifeform: in bezzlandia at least they have the decency to make government bond, which is what 'physical coin' fundamentally resembles, worth more than the sticker price, at least nominally
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you won't be able to pin it on casascius. it'll be blamed on 'hack', or even crypto break, or even on your house having been broken into once at some point with 'nothing stolen'
asciilifeform: or it will be blamed on you, and the cheap and readily available, by that time, device for reading key through the paper sticker, will create the necessary confusion re who the 'real sc4mz0r' is, in the eyes of others
asciilifeform: 'physical btc' is fundamentally, physically, a bad idea, like trying to build an airplane that runs on hay and oats.
asciilifeform: and steered with reins.
asciilifeform: precisely the kind of fundamental bad idea that leads to 'no one could have predicted!1111' (tm) (r).
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374612 << where is the line drawn between bezzle, and the former? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 21:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
thestringpuller: that is when does my invoice to sultan of brunei become "physical btc"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that they play iterated dilemma. their settlements don't take decades.
thestringpuller: so threshold is settlement time? what is greatest amount of time still acceptable for settlement?
asciilifeform: not 'unknown # of years or possibly never'
asciilifeform: that's for sure.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes https://au.pinterest.com/karafern << yer pet posted photos? spiffy log cabin ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (i have nfi why folks send me this stuff.)
asciilifeform: incidentally thestringpuller notice what happens when settlement ~is~ 'unknown number of decades.' you get vaults full of tungsten gold.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone writing a tex processor for serenity (ex mp-wp) themes that shinohai can then just import as a standard would be pretty epic. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: imagine alf, proper web rendering! no more need of pdfs, ever!
asciilifeform: it'd be mondo heavy
asciilifeform: can you even picture, the mass
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so no.
mircea_popescu: i'd use it.
asciilifeform: no 300MB turds in my browser, plox.
asciilifeform: processor to bitmap, would be another matter
asciilifeform: (server side)
asciilifeform: and iirc this exists... is called... tex!
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
thestringpuller: imagemagick
mircea_popescu: it's not written in php afaik.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: aha. "Well settle when we feel like it. for tungsten bars" so what you have described is the process in which you could put tungsten into bitcoin bars
trinque: so how is it that my node thinks 3b25814dbf1ff4982ccc1e0a44fed01f53e36a1350ec2ac2aeb15ba8c625fa70 is in block 419551 ?
trinque: this is strange
shinohai: convert all images to base64 ftw
thestringpuller: interestingly that all these require the user to voluntarily be scammed
mircea_popescu: trinque i has nfi, all i know is i put deeds in, wanted to add them to s.mg report, can't add because no link!
trinque: yeah well, bitcoin!
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: shinohai fucks up caching, watch your bw go from 2-8tb to 10-20 pb
trinque: I am wedged at 419554 too
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: twist is that 'physical btc' can be tungstened ~remotely~ at ~any time~
mircea_popescu: trinque i see 570
shinohai: mircea_popescu: forgot the /s which doesn't readily translate
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: nah, the ability to write a+b/(c+d)^3 and have it painted it out in the article is something.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu hated 2d notations!1111
mircea_popescu: i like abilities.
mircea_popescu: besides, normalized proper notation goes into alt tag anyway.
asciilifeform: anyway 'mathml' was supposed to have been a thing.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
asciilifeform: and even existed for a spell, and was then abolished
asciilifeform: i have nfi why.
asciilifeform: iirc google's implementation was the only one, and turned out so buggy that they axed it.
mircea_popescu: i'm currently wondering if sex in alf household is something pet always initiates, and has to fight through a barrage of "this won't work and has already been done but it went away" first!
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: or in mircea_popescu household, is slaving over php substituted for sex, because it is just as fun to do for the 1,000,001st time ?
mircea_popescu: actually, i mostly teach the girls to compute via bash
mircea_popescu: picture kat with learning hat on and nothing else. "how was that thing that output a file ?" "cat" "yes master ?" "cat!" eyes me intensely.
mircea_popescu: "cat with a c!" "ohhh"
shinohai: Pretty sure I got shadowbanned from r/twoxchromosomes. Post no longer appears in /new
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: well if you weren't such a sperglord...
shinohai: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: wonder what the self.justification is
mircea_popescu: "your submission is so exciting is not interesting and so offensive it fails to actually say anything we disagree with"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498052 << why is its/it's so hard neways. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 14:58 thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/750009401591816192 << i have to admit this guy does get some lulz from me
trinque: now it claims this transaction is in block 419560 !!
mircea_popescu: cuz if the blocks were bigger it wouldn't matter which one it was in amirite ?
trinque: it's just saying whichever block the node is currently on
mircea_popescu: also no signatures plox, they are triggering and unequitable to poor black women
trinque: "n-no really, it's in this block this time, I swear"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498080 << people enjoy promise, it's a fundamental part of human sexual behaviour. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:12 asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463317 << obligatory ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 13:03 asciilifeform: the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
asciilifeform: people enjoy plenty of bad habits.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: eat enough honey, and you end up in BingoBoingo's pics.
mircea_popescu: trinque i see no such tx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall the "bitcoin gem" "gold bar" etc ponzi ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: it was like ~every other ponzi, iirc
asciilifeform: (i know of it solely from l0gz and mircea_popescu's recollection)
trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2db8bf37-64c1-4198-891c-2d9684c41a18/
trinque: sseems like a bug
mircea_popescu: same EXACT thing, with the negligible difference that nubbins-likes like this scam and don't like that scam
mircea_popescu: also sexual reasons.
mircea_popescu: trinque highs ?
trinque: running with -lows
mircea_popescu: get the raw rather than unpacked plox ?
trinque: hm it says 0 confirmations
trinque: so perhaps bitcoin just lies and says "current block" in that field when unconfirmed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: curious, which sexual reasons
asciilifeform: would lead a nubbins to prefer one 'gold' brick to other.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the terms of http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117957 it is "more like car".
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between millenial style perv, who jacks it to webcams, and john waters era perv, who jacks it to used stockings.
mircea_popescu: not a difference in terms of perversion, of course, neither's workable, or real, or etc. but there's a difference in terms of practice, if cable company delivers a box of used stockings instead of modem it'll hear no end of reddit mentions.
mircea_popescu: similarly, apparently there's a difference between "owning" a "bitcoin gem" that exists chiefly as a succession of forum posts ; and "owning" a "physical bitcoin" that exists chiefly as a succession of gpg-signed promises.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see this difference, myself : the later's perhaps a useful toy to get idiots to formally behave sanely. it is oft misplaced, like the hope that if you daily dress a pig in clean underwear, it'll turn into a price.
mircea_popescu: the original nubbins' failure to matter is a fine example in exactly this vein - you can't take the pig out of the pig just because you want another prince.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, children play with toy guns rather than functional rifles.
asciilifeform: it sorta makes sense
asciilifeform: esp now that i recall the 'physical gold' folks' reaction to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there's also the important consideration of "conversation piece". this is entirely a hermetic concept to anyone living outside of the anglosphere, which is to say sanely inserted in a functioning social fabric.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the anglotards have taken the puritanism to such absurd degree they can't talk to each other unless at least vaguely going through the motions of selling something
mircea_popescu: because obviously any other sort of talk is impure! SATAN!
asciilifeform: sorta how racoon submerges his food, because 'must fish'
asciilifeform: even in the zoo.
mircea_popescu: so... you gotta have a token in hand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498101 << and it's two. stick for females ; defect for males. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:23 asciilifeform: STANDARD, single-shot prisoner's dilemma, has EXACTLY ONE SANE STRATEGY:
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "one shot" in nature. the genes also speak.
asciilifeform: fact is, at some point those backup keyz will be worth more than whatever decades-old reputation the retired casascius etc folk had.
asciilifeform: at which point - bang.
mircea_popescu: fact is, there's more masochists than sadists, and always will be.
asciilifeform: (and the unexistence of the backup can never, in principle, be demonstrated.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: esp if you count the sadomasochists!111
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing, not anymore than "faggotsbians"
asciilifeform: the stickerz in mircea_popescu's club lied to me!1111
mircea_popescu: stickers lie.
asciilifeform has monumentally nfi
mircea_popescu: wait, what stickers ?
asciilifeform: they had these stickers with, something like, 'sadist', 'masochist', 'both'
mircea_popescu: mno. dominant, sub, switch.
mircea_popescu: that's a social behaviour.
asciilifeform: so what, then, is switch ?
mircea_popescu: the sadism/masochism thing deals with pain ; the dom/sub thing deals with behaviour. they're not really the same thing.
mircea_popescu: imagine you go to a mcdonalds and sort the staff in : tall or short ; respectively management, labour or both.
mircea_popescu: there's some relation between tall and management, but if it is it's a statistical rather than a deductive link.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498130 << omaygerd, pinterest! the bag is out of the kat! TROLL NAO ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes https://au.pinterest.com/karafern << yer pet posted photos? spiffy log cabin
asciilifeform: apparently ben_vulpes's woman is a movie star!111
ben_vulpes: yeesh
mircea_popescu: no ? what's she been in ?
asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5211871
ben_vulpes: leave my bird alone
mircea_popescu: jesus pinterest is a pos, seriously, "log in with facebook" ? what the shit
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a perfectly respectable job!1111
ben_vulpes: so is running a household.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i have pet stationed 100% there
mircea_popescu: pageant girl ?!
asciilifeform: nfi
asciilifeform: some indy film, i suppose?
mircea_popescu: dude the made-up names srsly... Director: Benjamin Ross Lyerly Writers: Byron Diffenderffer, Maria Martin gimme a break
mircea_popescu: Viscount Porphirous McPuffin whynot
asciilifeform has monumentally nfi. maybe whole thing was cia front.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shelved in 2012.
asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes's son is also panda, like pete's !11
ben_vulpes: i am the mole
ben_vulpes: also panda? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "dead not dancing" apparently also made "pet world". i guess we look there for alf's ?
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform looks into 'pet world'
asciilifeform: 'The suspicious death of a pet snake puts a chokehold on a loving father.'
mircea_popescu: The suspicious death of a pet snake puts a chokehold on a loving father. Director: Jake Eide Writers: Jocelyn Eide (story), Jocelyn Eide
mircea_popescu: holy shit portland.
mircea_popescu: in other news, this camille collard chick's hawt. she single ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes preens in the retardation rays
ben_vulpes: aaah
ben_vulpes: maybe?
mircea_popescu: what, you don't know her ? EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE IN TINYTOWN OREGONZ!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ask 'er for me ?
ben_vulpes: no, i'm trying to think about if she mentioned any sort of so last time she was over
mircea_popescu: "hey, this asshole from irc wants to know if you're single"
mircea_popescu: there's your conversation piece right there, should be enough for a wine bottle's worth
ben_vulpes: like which babe was that? the one who is in la now or the one coming back from la or the one who won't shut up about how miserable the guys in la and portland are?
mircea_popescu: hopefully teh 2nd.
mircea_popescu: by which i mean 3rd or w/e.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for all the naive engineering types who despise make-up and other feminine arts :
mircea_popescu: with http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDI4Mjg4OTQ0NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNTc1MDgwNjE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,665,1000_AL_.jpg
mircea_popescu: without http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ0MzExMTQyM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjIyMTkyMjE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,660,1000_AL_.jpg
asciilifeform: they are both With!1111
asciilifeform: SCAM
mircea_popescu: shut up and bitcoin gem.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha housepersoning ok that's fucking cute.
mircea_popescu: but listen ben_vulpes why's the tiny icon the picture of the redhead kissing some other guy ?
ben_vulpes: why's that photo of me kissing some other girl is what i want to know
mircea_popescu: wait, bro! DYEL!
mircea_popescu: and in other "dear viagra internet pharmacies, plox spam mr vulpes, here's proof :" news, https://twitter.com/Zimthaus/status/743549622010798080
asciilifeform: dafuq is that
mircea_popescu has deeply nfi!!11
mircea_popescu: " The B and I, we are grownups with a child and a business. We had a soul-digging nonfight because he flicked water on my face with a straw." << dawg who knew stalking people's sm (social media!) is such juicy gossip material!
danielpbarron: http://www.ebbits.net/strip/2010.08.23 << lol
ben_vulpes: > and then he popped the straw
ben_vulpes: oh lol i remember that
ben_vulpes: "but it was so loud!"
ben_vulpes: "dude this is not an issue."
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: anyway ben_vulpes chick's pretty cool, mazel tov.
ben_vulpes: and you're just seeing the public stuffs.
mircea_popescu: by definition lol.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other essay and literary criticism news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/693a6828c61b02d082a0d4570b7ad068/tumblr_n0ssuaUbnk1re2958o1_500.gif
ben_vulpes: socialist tax nyooz: http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/ontario-tried-a-speculation-tax-on-property-and-the-market-collapsed-overnight
mircea_popescu: heh
ben_vulpes: "like your town the way it is? raise property taxes until people stop moving there."
shinohai: http://archive.is/ktmDF <<< top kek
shinohai: "the few reddit communities that haven’t yet contracted cancer."
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally dudes will stick around to bro online if there were no womenz to pull the ponytails of.
asciilifeform: in other non-nyooz, apparently this exists, http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/sfh/reo/goodn/gnndabot
asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement officers, pre-Kindergarten through 12th grade teachers, firefighters and emergency medical technicians can contribute to community revitalization while becoming homeowners through HUD's Good Neighbor Next Door Sales Program. HUD offers a substantial incentive in the form of a discount of 50% from the list price of the home. In return you must commit to live in the property for 36 months as your sole residence.'
mircea_popescu: so you can buy 15 houses as a teacher fgor 50% off over your career ?
asciilifeform: nah apparently you gotta live in it
mircea_popescu: not a bad plan altogether, romania has something similar with firstyhome buyers
asciilifeform: so 1 at a time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yea but only 3 years
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: the moar interesting aspect imho is ~which~ civil servants they arbitrarily picked as proxy for 'won't deal dope' or whatever it is.
asciilifeform: not postmen, not patent clerks, but police, firemen, etc
mircea_popescu: i doubt that's what it is.
asciilifeform: why not postman
mircea_popescu: they prolly justwent through "which govt items are understaffed"
mircea_popescu: cuz he's mobile so not a problem.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
mircea_popescu: if teacher has to commute ON TOP of dealing with the fucktarded spawn of contemporary america, she's just as likely going to turn tricks in las vegas or homeperson
mircea_popescu: and while whores and housewives are fine and dandy, there's a sharply limited demand.
mircea_popescu: whereas for teacher, i know of no time or place where there were enough
asciilifeform: in urban usa, their attrition rate is a wonder to behold
mircea_popescu: myea
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488802 << xcode takes what appears to be 1/16th of a second to switch between text files ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 21:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488618 << this i can see.
ben_vulpes: what the fuck.
asciilifeform: l0l xcode
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to use it, to build for the pnohe
asciilifeform: just the compiler.
asciilifeform: (do you even have to use crapple's compiler ?)
asciilifeform: also i don't have palpable eval delays in sbcl, what the fuq
asciilifeform: not now, not ever
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: granted
ben_vulpes: each of us to his own entomology
ben_vulpes: rest assured i will be wrapping emacs around ios dev this week.
ben_vulpes: first i want to see what this "world class ide" looks like
ben_vulpes: "intellisense!!1"
ben_vulpes: breaks 95% of the time.
ben_vulpes: "you just don't know how to use it!"
ben_vulpes: nevermind that it doesn't do *anything* for api discovery. utility seems limited to fuzzy method name completion.
mircea_popescu: in other news, romanian nuclear activities thing went "bankrupt" last month.
mircea_popescu: for all the derps derping about the ill effects of russian colonisation, us colonisation turned romania from this place which produced heavy water to the degree france was sucking its cock cca 1996 to ... well...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc 'intellisense' was microshit's thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing happened to bulgaria, in even shorter time
asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen ☟︎
asciilifeform: and they, too, transformed from (agricultural) exporter, to mournful shithole
mircea_popescu: myeah. well, "the community" agreed it "wants in nato and eu" amirite ?
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu has never particularly liked romanians to begin with.
asciilifeform: $s leather seats
a111: 2 results for "leather seats", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=leather%20seats
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#544127 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 01:25 asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#544129 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 01:25 asciilifeform: counter-derper: 'as the leather seats'
asciilifeform: no orc ever 'rides' in the 'friendly' west except as a leather seat.
asciilifeform: or lampshade.
asciilifeform: (in capacity as a man? possibly. as orcish traitor? leather strictly.)
mircea_popescu: well in that conflict the ro were on the other side.
asciilifeform: iirc gandi seriously considered bending over for japan
asciilifeform: just to get out of british
asciilifeform: prolly would have gone quite like this.
asciilifeform: 'i'ma run off from the plantation, to this other plantation'
deedbot: [Qntra] Avid Life Media Under FTC Investigation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/avid-life-media-under-ftc-investigation/
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] On The Beating of Wives - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/on-the-beating-of-wives/
danielpbarron: $v B811163A583707E067A7877E2738DBC36D831F1BAEF833938D2397E4DB76DD86
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 3 to 5 << good friend, bath house manager, and one of the coolest people met at porcfest
danielpbarron: $v 64AFF0FB954348F8DEED5E811DDF80C9D810AC357F7B9FA855FCD8A89EDDB75B
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of rassah from 1 to -1 << met at pocfest, says he lost his key, sorry for your loss
danielpbarron: $v E9C52A359EE9E4E6F48713FE4A0298A5A150F2CCCDF28DCDF3C10C46B07FAE65
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of birdman from 5 to 6 << good friend for many years, euloran, poker enthusiast
mircea_popescu: o how is juliatourianski_
danielpbarron: doing very well, got a kid now with some blockstream guy who I also met at porcfest this year
mircea_popescu: o hey.
Joshua-I: Half wishing there was a trilema podcast for workouts
shinohai: You don't have slave girls that read trilema to you during workouts?
Joshua-I: I'm against slavery
Joshua-I: But I could notionally hire a task rabbit to do it for me
Joshua-I: For now I will settle with my usual youtubing
mircea_popescu: you could put it through a screen reader
mircea_popescu: the romanian section is guaranteed to entertain.
Joshua-I: That's my backup plan
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is - trilema is kinda too reference ladden, moar like balanced tree. podcast stuff works best if linear.
jurov: using.trilema.for.workouts. my brain timed out at this.
Joshua-I: True enough but even without references it would be good for mental indexing
mircea_popescu: why, it's just about heavy enough...
Joshua-I: Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere? ☟︎
trinque: $s tbot
a111: 20 results for "tbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tbot
trinque: Joshua-I: ^
trinque: mircea_popescu: that transaction from earlier finally went through ☟︎
trinque looks in his intertubes for clogs
trinque: http://deedbot.org/bundle-419596.txt <<
Joshua-I: Uh huh
Joshua-I: Fucking christ
Joshua-I: One of those links must have been an exploit or something
mod6: <+trinque> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2db8bf37-64c1-4198-891c-2d9684c41a18/ <+trinque> sseems like a bug << yeah, i was watching this all day; was eventually included in 419`596
mod6: so, not sure why exactly the delay. but, seems all good.
mod6: <+jurov> using.trilema.for.workouts. my brain timed out at this. << haha
mod6: <+trinque> I am wedged at 419554 too << did your trb continue on then too?
shinohai: My trb node drops connections one by one every few hours and needs restart to connect. I'm way behind. ☟︎
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki << perhaps. i was hoping that with wiki (which, I admin, is not ideal) people could help out a bit more easily - as opposed to a blog or wp thing. ☟︎
mod6: this is what i've got:
mod6: "blocks" : 419610,
mod6: seems up to speed.
trinque: mod6: yeah I know have 419608
trinque: *now
mod6: ok trinque, good to hear.
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 419610
shinohai: heh
trinque: Joshua-I: what exploit?
mod6: <+Joshua-I> Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere? << http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/
Joshua-I: Was trolling through the trimela outbound links and headfucking.net basically redirected to some bad js / exploit that runs your cpu hard
shinohai: LOL
trinque: >clicked on headfucking.net, expected gentle.
Joshua-I: Works fine using lynx
Joshua-I: Looks like it's on the serve side looking at the source
Joshua-I: That was sort of mildly interesting
ben_vulpes: huh
ben_vulpes: thanks pankkake