mircea_popescu: <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: are you still interested << well... not someone whose attention span is five minutes ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On Bahamascare and Phood stampz coin?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) << this is quite so.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.
mircea_popescu: throughout the 70s women never "seemed" to suck the cock in real life either.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot.
BingoBoingo: Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: notably, the us exists today because some people shrugged at some point in the 18th century.
mircea_popescu: happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice".
mircea_popescu: happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?"
mircea_popescu: the decision came out "make another", which is === shrug.
mircea_popescu: for which reason there can not exist "america" of the previous millennium. not no more. nor "western europe" nor any of the rest of the stuff.
mircea_popescu: no particular construction was built on top of it. could be this, could be that.
mircea_popescu: fact is that where you needed 10% of the population before you need 0.1% now. and, economy being what it is and human nature being what it is, this "saving" did not get passed on. it just went into lazy, inefficient and wasteful.
mircea_popescu: so today things are just a lot more fragile and that's all.
mircea_popescu: overall, the tribe of monkeys still makes ~ what it always made
mircea_popescu: now, WHY the three people that actually matter may no longer do their magic... whatever. maybe their toy breaks. maybe evil alien xenomorph mp comes and breaks their moore law and they're up shit creek without it. maybe they just start hating the morlochs.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to even show that the possibility of such meaning exists.
mircea_popescu: (there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display)
mircea_popescu: so whether they are or are not distinct, there's no requirement the distinction can be stated.
BingoBoingo: More too the point can't swim in the real ponds because couldn't avoid ruining them. Can't smart enough for civilized chemical fest pool. Y Not fake pond?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:41 mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. i am not convinced by this theory because i've seen the % vary very wildly across culutres.
mircea_popescu: so currently i'm suspecting it's more of an environment issue than an old man issue
mircea_popescu: you think the young are at an advantage on oregon trail vs say boston ?!
mircea_popescu: no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev.
BingoBoingo still rolfing at pool that gets ruined if it is pissed in one too many times
mircea_popescu: $google (mips-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.17.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 22:45 mircea_popescu: "researchers at aarhaus university in denmark" ?
mircea_popescu: $v A574295F5F7E38C19A515336EF66E2AEA509070C8C7E5F55CD0080E250F6EE44
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mircea_popescu: of course as far as the crap on tv went, "la cererea publicului [tele]spectator"
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news, ro politruk class snubbed the us inauguration of some radars or w/e on romanian soil, part of rocket shield lulzfest.
mircea_popescu: or, as the case is here, land based locators. really, you're gonna use something on land ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who designed an anti-nuke system that depends on parking lots ffs. or, for that matter, who the fuck believes this/
ben_vulpes: anything airborne without a human on it.
davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly
☟︎ danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo article on core fork says "has not yet publically made any public statements" -- seeme redundant
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D
mircea_popescu: but perhaps if you're esl, "made public" means "made privately available to some people who aren't us" or something. god knows everything else means something else, so what the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, looking forward to more "{Security researchers|IT specialists|Computer experts} with {University of Derp in Derpistan|USG.RedHat.Whatever|The HTTPS Internet} published {Literotica|Fetlife|OkCupid|Ask.fm|Phuctor|whatever} {database|userlist|secret excel codebase} publicly! We don't have a copy because we don't believe in things, we prefer names."
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 10:32 davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly
phf: manual tit tickling
☟︎ phf: on the bright side it looks like i finally have time to work on some code improvements
mircea_popescu: very good. see that this is a very iffy point of failure, in the sense that the chances to end up an enemy of the people inadvertently are possibly best. seeing the logs incorrect gets ~everyone's defcon level up a notch or two
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466767 << and if brass had unmitigated audacity to answer "because the jews educate their women to be sluts, which results in the boys being motivated to think, which means one of them can eat ten of your evanghelical shitheaded sons for breakfast. fix your fucking religion, you're lagging behind the fucking irish, even the negro reinterpretation thereof is more socially productive" (as a fe
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here'
mircea_popescu: w actually did!) would have more or less brought back the burning stake.
phf: i personally prefer logs to be accidentally realtime, but with stronger correctness guarantees, so it's down for a bit, but there's no message loss. otherwise we have a new jersey solution of "check that a111 is in chan before you say things that you don't want lost"
phf: but seeing the general freak out that happens, i think that i'd rather it was self healing, and a message or two was lost :p
mircea_popescu: you certainly can't put later lines in if earlier lines are missing, that's asking for black eyes.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466771 << it's more complicated. turks believed that it is below the dignity of a warrior (you have to remember - for a stretch about a degree of magnitude longer than "modernity", being the guy who beat up the cows, bipedal or otherwise, and took their shit was the only respectable line of work for a healthy male ; starting with the romans) to learn languages.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:34 asciilifeform: not that quota would have helped.
mircea_popescu: in their view, strangely mirrored by various other failed warrior castes, such as the manchuku or the usg, translation is a whore's job.
mircea_popescu: this view may even be correct ; but then their inability to maintain abundant, loyal whores is very striking. it's such an obvious point of failure, after all. but hey, not that i don't understand them - the whore will kneel lovingly, but not before every idiot. and being a self-indulgent idiot is so much... easier... and nicer... and pushing yourself so... hmm... is it even compatible with the dignity of warrior ? ain't that
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:37 asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala.
mircea_popescu: "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is. The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not particularly fixed, at least in the sense of it being extensible (in fact the list was 25 names long earlier). Therefore, objections on this line will have to be a lot more refined than si
mircea_popescu: mply "it's undemocratic and therefore bad" or "it's unrepresentative and therefore evil". Reality doesn't work that way."
mircea_popescu: the notion that meritocracy means "EVERY meritous individual" gets a place is buluceala out and out, and has nothing to do with meritocracy. such a socialist rewriting of the concept is an insult to humanity in the first place ; but to sit and wonder why the cardboard cut "in the shape of a car" and with car written on it doesn't take you places... c;mon.
mircea_popescu: meritocracy means that all involved are competent ; not, pointedly not, that all competent are involved.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:40 mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: as phf says, "it's nice to make an effort to see the competent are accidentally included". there's no promise there, nor can be. the only promise is that the shitheads won't long survive.
mircea_popescu: and you know, in the endless "protocol vs promise" thing (such as - if you free man from labour, you will get incredible developments in culture and civilisation (promise) ; or else you'll get a horde of decayed re-monkeys (protocol) | respectively "if you include women in the political process, you'll get the fundamental if unobvious points to males, like this one, well included and represented into the public matters (promi
mircea_popescu: in general it is directly obvious to a woman that "yeah you have a nice cock, but i'm full ty". somehow the point is an egological insult to the healthy male.
mircea_popescu: (to ease the work of the research-scientists and chemists of world renown, egology is a husserlian concept.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform su had a very similar problem. they all do - turks kinda had to kill all their brothers, including their mother's other sons.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the woman's clintonicity was 2/3 of the reason guy even had a shot at sultanhood.
mircea_popescu: it;s a bitch not more novel and general literary exploration of that conflict has been produced by the oh-so-unignorant west. it's a fucking fascinating situation.
mircea_popescu: today is the day you, a healthy, talented, good riding and accomplished poet of a man, go to your mother who is this woman that saved your life as a 3yo and shared all the ups and downs of the past two decades,
mircea_popescu: to tell her that well... ima strangle all your babies, you may call me chronos now.
mircea_popescu: i believe the key to understanding ottoman poetry (which, btw, was very accomplished) is in this tension.
mircea_popescu: and i did not say strangle idly - it was the method for that situation. no idea if you've ever choked anyone but it is a) deeply sexual and b) probably the easiest way to go, outside of freezing, which they had no access to.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise ottoman executions rather eastern in their excruciating approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes. but i don't expect you'd do this in the bedroom, it's bad for the brain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not entirely lost. much to my shock and awe, was recently in an oglaf!
phf: w.s. burroughs wrote about that one a bunch (he had a general obsession with hanging)
mircea_popescu: the problem there is, well... "what's the best way to jack off ?" "eh, get kournikova to do it."
mircea_popescu: hanging, what's that, couldn't find someone that'd care enough ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, well i dunno if you know or not, but anyway - at the same time women contemplating a career in porn were more than willing to shoot a few features for the more respectable sites ~for free, because they gained popularity and a stamp of quality.
mircea_popescu: ~same thing was reprised with the "leaked" "sex tapes" by proletariat whores, aka "pop singers"
mircea_popescu: anyway : as i watched the woman be in 50% of the shots and never ever win anything, it occured to me that maybe she's doing the same thing, only much better ?
mircea_popescu: i never pursued the matter and by now i guess she'd be old. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: well no, if she's working she's working, save for a few months and get a proper handjob.
mircea_popescu: anyway, review the woman's record, she smells like a fixed up wonder from a mile away. "you can't fix the champ", sez rod steiger. she never lost... to anyone outside of the tops.
mircea_popescu: if the ru mob had any brains, she'd have been exactly that, inna.ru
mircea_popescu: oh nm, birdy sez she married.... wait for this one... enrique iglesias!
mircea_popescu: son of julio ; a sort of latino michael. they still trot him out, propped against some wood and a chick or two to sell perfume or w/e
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:39 asciilifeform: that is where most folks go. incl. asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: if i had parents not only idiotic enough to insist i get a degree but actually brain-manged enough to do this in the us, i'd have gone to arizona u. definitely.
mircea_popescu: few summers back, took girls to field to observe beehives and other such orchard lovely things. motherfucking bee came out of nowhere, stung me in the ear.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's the expensive sort. upenn et co. the cheap sort do 10k instate-20-odd k out of state. exactly like a community/agricollege.
shinohai: hold on I'll bring it to ur chan
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D << ah, ok. are you wanting to take yours all the way?
mod6: what i also want to build is a CI thingy for trb
☟︎ shinohai: just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much
mod6: someone drops in their vpatch somewhere, it verifies that it doesn't have to be rebased, then spins up an instance somewhere and builds the full orchastra, and then runs tests against it.
mod6: yeah, bunch of stuff there. something to work towards.
mod6: yah, but this verifies stuff for historical purposes and helps regression test a bit.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:43 asciilifeform: they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting.
mod6: everyone should do these things on their own.
mod6: <+shinohai> just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much << ok no worries then, just wanna ensure we're not duplicating work and what not.
mod6: if anyone has some interesting in working on a CI project with ole mod6, lemme know. it'll take some doing, but it could be pretty worthwhile.
mod6: it should be that anyone in L1 can use it really.
mod6: anyone outside can get their vpatch "sponsored" after review & needsRebase returns false
shinohai: Excellent work this month tho mod6
mod6: im ciked that phuctor is crushing keys while i sleep, ride the train, eat a sandwich
mircea_popescu: not that much of a priority. let them read the logs, what.
mod6: was thinking it'd be neat to cross-ref the email to some live twitter acct and tag 'em
mircea_popescu: point's been made, let em stew in denial now for a little bit, we come back to it later.
mircea_popescu: you don't argue uphill with a dumbass. you just smack him now and again.
mircea_popescu: not that the idea is without merit, or technologically uninteresting. but the move is politically inexpedient.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell jurov may I please get some coppers today?
jurov: danielpbarron: depends on how much of some
jurov: in any case, i need refill, can be 10BTC again
shinohai: jurov btw i finally made account, how to add qntra ?
jurov: shinohai: you send me gpg signed request to add all your qntra shares to coinbr account X , and if you want, to do it automatically from now on
mircea_popescu: these "forensic experts" identifying "the wallet addresses used by the hackers" are such experts indeed.
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