⏐︎ 7051
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00048894 = 30.0454 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-ellmers-affair-reporting-leads-to-kevinmccarthy-departure/
assbot: BREAKING: GotNews.com Ellmers Affair Reporting Leads to #KevinMcCarthy Departure - GotNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1Ndpl )
mircea_popescu: yaimsure.
mircea_popescu: obscure.derp reporting leads to things!
BingoBoingo: Fuck only knows anymore
BingoBoingo: They also got this though http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-ids-first-department-of-justice-employee-on-ashleymadison/
assbot: BREAKING: GotNews.com IDs First Department of Justice Employee on #AshleyMadison - GotNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1NybE )
BingoBoingo: "Here’s the first: Assistant U.S. Attorney Martin S. Bell. He’s based in New York and used Ashley Madison at work. He works for the controversial U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara."
mircea_popescu: pretty cool, but... how exactly did they "get" it. public is public.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, like all the other Ashley Madison stuff.
BingoBoingo: Starting with Bharara's office was a nice touch, but a lot of trying hard
mod6: ok node is all caught up
BingoBoingo: I'm jsut wondering though why they have javascript from fucking coinbase on their page
mircea_popescu: srsly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, can't hurt to make contact. who knows, maybe only superficially stupid.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll keep digging in the news mines and look for stuff while I think about it.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 i saw nothing anomalous on my remaining node... plz post your log at time of crash ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 also check system log for segfault, and post that, if found.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;google مارتیا خوار
gribble: Manticore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore>; Manticore - Mythology Wiki: <http://mythology.wikia.com/wiki/Manticore>; Manticore - The Castlevania Wiki - Wikia: <http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Manticore>
mircea_popescu: ha!
mod6: ok asciilifeform will look
mod6: 221M messages
mod6: looks like i sustained a port 22 attack over the last 3 days.
mod6: that might have had an impact.
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: now i gotta look.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 378066 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 941 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 18 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: nothing here. up to date, 100 conns.
mod6: nice. ok, might have just been me.
mod6: 87825 attempts on ssh since Oct 1st.
mod6: that actually doesn't seem like that many.
mircea_popescu: always an idea to move ssh and lock that port.
mod6: ^
mod6: beware: this is ~10Mb
mod6: asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/20151007_v054-TEST2_last200k.debug.log.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2IK4p )
mod6: oh guess i was wrong, wasn't 377906, was: height=377901
mod6: my bad.
asciilifeform: mod6: nothing interesting here
asciilifeform: mod6: any segfault ?
mod6: not that I saw, no.
mod6: nothing in logs, or in terminal stderr or whatnot.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294954 << and since no one seems to have picked up on what this means, i suppose i must now draw a picture. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2015 18:22:39; ascii_field: and in other nyooz, https://sites.google.com/site/itstheshappening
asciilifeform: section 12.2 of rfc4880 sayeth,
asciilifeform: 'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint.'
asciilifeform: do i need to carry on, or is it clear ?
mircea_popescu: if you're intimating someone's going to create a sha-1 collision and thereby obtain a key that hashes to the collision, you're exaggerating justalittle.
mircea_popescu: otherwise yes, gpg is, and remains, slated for replacement.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cost of a sha1 collision is less than a year of schmuck pay at this point.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that's still not a key.
asciilifeform: it'll be a 'key'
mircea_popescu: not any string of bits is a key tho
asciilifeform: notice that 'the entire Public-Key packet' leaves plenty of tweakable bits on top of the modulus
mircea_popescu: true.
asciilifeform: so, generate something like a reasonable modulus, and then proceed.
mircea_popescu: you can calculate your chances of succeeding right now.
asciilifeform: notice that the length of the packet is not even bounded
mircea_popescu: they're unsplendid.
mircea_popescu: (but we did do a campaighn of updating from sha-1 about last year, for digests etc)
asciilifeform: sure. but this does nothing for key fp.
asciilifeform: which is hardcoded to sha1..
mircea_popescu: the only scenario that does anything in, is when one acquires a key from dubious source.
asciilifeform: thing is, let's recall how key familiarity works right now. e.g., mircea_popescu's business card.
asciilifeform: it does not contain the modulus he signs with. only bottom 64b of the sha1 of....
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: the pupose of the business card is to filter contacts tho.
asciilifeform: point being, gpg --keyserver wherever.the.fuck --recv-key 0xfingerprint can now return magical key.
asciilifeform: the chore that everybody here has been putting off into indefinite future - that of ~actually distributing one's entire modulus~ - is a necessary thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu distributes his pubkey off his blog.
mircea_popescu: the "chore" of having and maintaining blogs is NOT negotiable. you must, you MUST be your own facebook washington post vice gawker etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform also
mircea_popescu: this was never negotiable.
asciilifeform: there are folks in wot who have neglected this.
mircea_popescu: these also tend to be folks for whom this bullet won't likely be fired.\
mircea_popescu: it's expensive, and foer that matter - we've yet to see this wonder in the wild.
mircea_popescu: so far we're at the "one mirrored moduls"
mircea_popescu: oh, speaking of which...
mircea_popescu: Naphex you ever got that quote ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/pgpv4 << contains, iirc, example of collision
assbot: cooperpair/pgpv4 at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAUUnm )
asciilifeform: (how found - not specified)
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20100430025638/http://imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg30980.html << mainly interesting for having been deleted from the ml
assbot: how close is OpenPGP tied to SHA1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeUdnW )
mod6: ok, updated mod6.net with my pubkey.
asciilifeform: where does btcalpha get its pubkeys ?
asciilifeform: how about assbot?
asciilifeform: as to where the bullet might be aimed, the phuctor dataset suggests a certain pattern
mircea_popescu: deleted ?!
asciilifeform: aha, hence 'archive.org'
mircea_popescu: assbot and btcalpha get them from servers (older implementations) ; deedbot- gets them correctly (you gotta supply the dpaste with it)
asciilifeform: pattern: folks who 1) are somehow interesting (german number theorists, etc) 2) have a very threadbare, if at all present, volume of published signed material 3) communicate their key to other people largely in the form of a fingerprint
mircea_popescu: 2 really reads like "idiots" to me.
mircea_popescu: folk who think they're too damned important to irc, blog etc.
mircea_popescu: "oh, that's hearn's job"
mircea_popescu: yes, fucktard, let it be hearn's job. next you'll be fed by cockroaches. it's their job to move food around.
asciilifeform: !b 1 ✂︎
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asciilifeform: but i disagree that folks who largely listen, and seldom talk, are necessarily 'idiot'
asciilifeform: if anything, the net needs more, rather than fewer, of them
mircea_popescu: do you know what the term meant, originally ?
asciilifeform: sure. those bedeviled with... ideas
mircea_popescu: notrly. pretty much exactly : doesn't talk much. sorta eternally amazed.
mircea_popescu: deaf&dumb being the other kind.
asciilifeform: there are also people who are not really mute by any reasonable definition but this one. e.g., knuth
asciilifeform: large volume of material, afaik none of it signed.
mircea_popescu: sadly.
asciilifeform: they then are the targets.
asciilifeform: for this bullet.
asciilifeform: and anyone else who'd make a satisfying splat.
asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make is that the original attitude of 'keys are people' was predicated on ideally 'stiff' keys
asciilifeform: really, it is 'key plus body of signed material' is a man.
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: and this still is predicated on an assumption, to date unproven, that rsa sig operation is not malleable.
mircea_popescu: it certainlty is malleable (provably so)
asciilifeform: (it is conceivable that one might produce a key which will verify mircea_popescu's signed body of works, but which, if encrypted to, resulting ciphertext could be read both by mircea_popescu AND by hitler.)
mircea_popescu: supposedly not ~usefully~ malleable.
mircea_popescu: this is not conceivable.
asciilifeform: solely because rfc2440/4880 is retarded
asciilifeform: not on account of rsa per se.
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design ☟︎
assbot: amphtml/amp-html-format.md at master · ampproject/amphtml · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeWjUL )
mircea_popescu: it IS however conceivable that a pubkey might be created which carries the fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 but if used to encrypt to mp will respond with "this doesn't decrypt wtf did you do". which event will be very interesting to see .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except the ideal scenario for firing this weapon is precisely a case where the resulting message never reaches mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: instead it'd be a funkspiel between hitler and mr schmuck, the latter having believed that he is speaking to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: except, i do not normally expect to be spoken to by people i do not know.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: but if knuth wants to write in - then tough cookies.
asciilifeform: or al schwartz
asciilifeform: et al.
mircea_popescu: they are too old to be alive anymore, is the sad truth of the matter.
mircea_popescu: they may only survive as dead people./
asciilifeform: the part that bugs me is that the fundamental premise of public key crypto is a kind of downer
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
asciilifeform: that is, the idea was that it is not necessary to meet in the flesh to form a working relation
asciilifeform: (if you can meet in the flesh, you could exchange one time pads just as well)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happened to the third ?
mircea_popescu: the ONLY way to meet new people is via recommendation.
mircea_popescu: "talk to this guy - here's his php"
mircea_popescu: pgp*
asciilifeform: also works.
mircea_popescu: no. not also.
mircea_popescu: this is the only thing that owkrs, or ever has worked.
mircea_popescu: this is what gossipd is built upon, also.
asciilifeform: 'here is me, and this is my pgp' also works, is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing else. in very particular, there is NOT this bullshit star pattern of "everyone reads vice".
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: the deep fundamental reason usg exists needs to go away. not merely the usg, or preet bharara's head.
mircea_popescu: the notion that people may read "newpspaers" made by people they don't know. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the basic result here is that pgptronium is conserved, if you will.
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense, and the cornerstone of stupidworld.
mircea_popescu: trust is conserved. yes.
asciilifeform: the one thing remaining to add is that, theoretically, it is not necessary to distribute pubkeys at all!
asciilifeform: because they can be derived from signed material
asciilifeform: with a modest expenditure of cpu.
mircea_popescu: some people don't sign so much.
asciilifeform: they are candidates for the treatment described earlier.
mircea_popescu: but an extractor is a fundamental tool, yes.
asciilifeform has intended to produce one for a long while, but it is not a priority presently
asciilifeform: my original observation, though, stands - the time to stop thinking of pgp 64bit fp as 'the man' is not when arbitrarily colliding sha1 costs a penny! it is now. ☟︎
asciilifeform: other thing is, the problem goes a little deeper. one might craft, for instance, a filter which eats mircea_popescu's www and substitutes hitlerine signatures for all of the signatures contained therein.
asciilifeform: and the matching hitler key, for the key normally appearing in http://trilema.com/contact-pgp
assbot: Contact : PGP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jRZXEJ )
mircea_popescu: there aren't any signatures contained therein.
asciilifeform: deedbot, then
mircea_popescu: but herein the problem gets fractured. how many things does it need to filter ?
asciilifeform: this of course demonstrates the point mircea_popescu made earlier, whereby no one who he was not properly introduced to, could ever hope to escape this.
mircea_popescu: (turns out mp deliberately isn't keeoping the pobkey and the signerd material in the same place. har har who knew! )
mircea_popescu: i said and i repeated there';s major value to jointing the wot early. to the point that it was throughout the greatest gift one could give his rest of his life.
mircea_popescu: yes, this was, and perhaps still is true.
mircea_popescu: \as you say, the time to join the wot isn't when sha-1 collisions cost a penny.
asciilifeform: no mega-shocking result - pgp is not a magical fountain of phree-energy-style 'trust from the aether', but rather an amplifier of trust established - to some extent - in the meat.
mircea_popescu: there is no pill for fixing late adopter lameness.
asciilifeform: the other thing is, to the extent that the integrity of the wot as we now have it is predicated on sha1 not costing a penny to break, some of the sweat that went in to forming the wot may end up having to be re-sweated
mircea_popescu: the people who went to oregon first, got homesteads. the people who go now - get to pay rent.
mircea_popescu: there still is time.
phf: oh hey i wrote a poc for pgp filter at toorcon, when that other wifi mitm came out. no need to figure out what's where, just sit on the http stream, catch text/*, grep it for gpg headers, and then rewrite on the fly
asciilifeform: phf: this only leads to laughs unless you can somehow be there for the rest of the two would-be pen pals' lives
asciilifeform: sitting between them
mircea_popescu: yes, rewerite, but with what.
phf: asciilifeform: of course
asciilifeform: 'quod licet' usg 'non licet bovi' (tm)
mircea_popescu: doing this is actually a strategic mistake i'd be more than happy to see executed.
asciilifeform: let's picture, say, an isis beheading is held on top of a banner containing an fp
mircea_popescu: exponential costs. modest benefits. very much in line with all the other bad choices that sunk the ship of state.
mircea_popescu: has this ever happened ?
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: but i suggested it some months ago, and so it is conceivable that it will.
mircea_popescu: let's picture a unicorn raping a lolipop ?
mircea_popescu: mmm.
phf: mircea_popescu: back then it was kek, these days i could probably get a hackernews frontpage "fundamental vulnerability found in gnupg, no one is safe!" either way completely irrelevant. just reminded me, it was 2005 or so
asciilifeform: the fundamental issue that bothers me is that a broken hash is where 'protocol' begins to decay into 'promise'
asciilifeform: systems which rely on a hash, ultimately contain trace elements of 'promise'
mircea_popescu: a hash is a fundamental building block of crypto
asciilifeform: the weaker the hash, the more 'promise' and less 'protocol'.
asciilifeform: hash is the proverbial 'hole through which the night walks in'
mircea_popescu: you can't really have pneumatics without valves.
asciilifeform: tesla begs to differ
mircea_popescu: and yes, valves is what always fucking breaks.
asciilifeform: (he had a whole host of motionless pneumatic building blocks based on vortices)
mircea_popescu: no wonder dupont had him killed.
asciilifeform: and to that we have analogy: the pure-rsa variant
asciilifeform: where nothing needs to be hashed.
asciilifeform: and symmetric crypto is also not made use of.
mircea_popescu believes he proposed this originally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did propose putting it to battlefield use
mircea_popescu: but i am reserved as to the hashlessness
asciilifeform: normally everybody proposes it and then writes it off as 'we haven't the cpu or the entropy'
asciilifeform: 'and passing moduli around bloats messages'
asciilifeform: thing re: hashes is that every hash, being a many-to-one function, is by definition guaranteed to collide.
asciilifeform: the only question concerns the difficulty of finding said collisions
asciilifeform: and in most cases it is not in any way knowable.
asciilifeform: today - gigabux, tomorrow - penny (pointedly ~not~ because of any advance in cpu, but on account of mathematical efforts)
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense alone, a hash is a cheque drawn on a total unknown.
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mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: oh, btw, phf you ain't ever gonna collect your eulora prize ?
phf: mircea_popescu: will do around saturday. i'm still in transit, so no working client
mircea_popescu: ah k
mircea_popescu: whenever i hear of someone saying they're in transit i always picture a person inside an intestine.
phf: well, i'm on amtrak, so might as well be
asciilifeform thinks 'sic transit gloria mundi'
mircea_popescu: why don't you fly ?
phf: inertia, there was a point when amtrak was also inexpensive in addition to being cheap
mircea_popescu: nothing but terrorists in this chan i swear.
mircea_popescu: but i gotta say "why don't you fly" "inertia" is a damned good answer.
mircea_popescu: whenever something doesn't fly that's usually why
phf: mp gets them every time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how is unpadded rsa supposed to work ?
asciilifeform: the 'padding' thing is an entirely separate animal
mircea_popescu: from hashing ?
asciilifeform: yes
mircea_popescu: ...
phf: i'm waiting for this channel to catch up with me, i'm going to go through some routine dc check, like a metal scanner or security clearance, and it's going to be "step this way sir." some gruff looking gentleman holding b-a printouts..
mircea_popescu: they're fucking inverse functions. one does many-to-one, the other needs an arbitrary bytecount.
asciilifeform: phf: nah it'll be quick and humane, more of a michael hastings sort of affair.
mircea_popescu: phf link them to the place where ytou said you're against sedition.
mod6: that might have been a different d00d
asciilifeform: iirc it was midnightmagic
mircea_popescu: what, different dood on the internet ?
mircea_popescu: what is this.
mod6: haha. i recall there was a guy before phf's time that was like, "i can't hang in here! too much sedition!" or something
mircea_popescu: been a bunch of those.
mod6: fair enough
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'padding' is a misnomer for a variety of possible processes, all of which have the objective of making sure that a message is never close in phase-space to another plausible message
asciilifeform: (and especially not close in the phase space of cryptographic malleability, for the kind of crypto in use)
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/butt/comments/2xoik6/heres_30_butts_in_case_youve_forgotten_what_they/
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: but just as far as the general principle goes. how are you going to do "padding" w/o hashing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can do a one-to-many permutation.
asciilifeform: yes, expensive.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, just as bad as hashing.
asciilifeform: mno.
mircea_popescu: provably mno or just mno.
asciilifeform: whaddayamean, i gotta prove
asciilifeform now will have to prove, pissed
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform goes off to eat dinner before it dies a 2nd time
mircea_popescu: and more-moreover, your one-to-manyh permutation will be implemented as a hash fun ction.
mircea_popescu: laters.
deedbot-: [Trilema] La Chacarita - http://trilema.com/2015/la-chacarita/
mod6: ah cool, you got a chance to walk through there!
mod6: eh, maybe not the same place
mod6: lol during kindergarten years
mod6: arg! i gotta finish the documentation on this thing so i can play new eulora!
mircea_popescu: !up mitch_callahan
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe you're thinking recoleta. i did that one a while back.
mircea_popescu: i think at least.\
mitch_callahan: sweet, voiced up. :)
asciilifeform still needs to post his recoleta pics
asciilifeform: fully 90% of what was in the camera, even.
mircea_popescu: who're you, mitch_callahan
mitch_callahan: mircea_popescu, I was using menahem, but my key expired.
mitch_callahan: n00b mistake, bitcoin-assets is my crypto 101
mircea_popescu: ah
mitch_callahan: i wanted to change my nick anyhow
mircea_popescu: !rarte
mircea_popescu: !rated menahem
assbot: You rated user menahem on 26-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i discovered a new japanese restaurant (in china town) whereby i had an exceptional peruan soup.
mircea_popescu: i poured a little on the floor for your soul.
asciilifeform: mmm
asciilifeform honoured
asciilifeform got a spiffy gift from a phriend, a mouse where various pieces of the chassis can move around to fit the hand, various iron knobs. endlessly tunable thing. had no idea this existed.
asciilifeform: 'rat 9' ☟︎
mitch_callahan: oh nice
mitch_callahan: I've got one of those
mitch_callahan: how do you like it?
asciilifeform: it is very neat. but, what to do with the extra buttonz !
mitch_callahan: lol
mitch_callahan: on the left, I use the 2 as forward/back
mitch_callahan: i find it helps with carpal tunnel.
phf uses http://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8
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mircea_popescu: best be careful, lest at night it reassembles itself into a dulap.
asciilifeform: it already looks quite like one...
asciilifeform: http://www.xoticpc.com/images/accessories/mice/rat9_02.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2VCHC )
asciilifeform: (this is not clear from the photo, but the 'wings' are on long screws and... can move)
mitch_callahan: and you can add weights to it
phf: pretty sure that thing has a remote triggered cyanide injector. a "present" for ascii
asciilifeform: various nice touches. e.g. the wheel well goes all the way through, does not collect shit like normal mouse
mircea_popescu having homemade black forest with "alamos" chardonnay, supposedly "best seller in teh usa". it's not terribru.
asciilifeform: phf: the weights ought to be trotyl
mircea_popescu: pro tip : for the best cooler, pour mineral water in the icecream tray.
asciilifeform: phf: lulzy gadget: draws so much current that the battery has to be changed daily. it pulls out, like pistol clip, and changes places with identical, included stick, that charges in the radio receiver
BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/10/08/new-york-judge-blocks-paul-smiths-college-changing-name-20-million-gift
assbot: New York judge blocks Paul Smith's College from changing name for $20 million gift | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2VNTm )
mircea_popescu: also, god fucking help the heretics with their white shit on the black forest cake. it's devil's food in ganache, not fucking light cream ffs.
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile, substituting sour cherries + kirsch for banana slices + rum ; or caramelized pineapple and good cognac is legitimate.)
phf: kids these days with their fancy mice. back in my day we had to clean mouse balls before each quake 1 match with wet wipes
asciilifeform: l0l i still have one of those somewhere.
asciilifeform: even got a sun photodiode mouse (but misplaced the reflector!)
mitch_callahan: i remember my step mom would take that ball out as punishment. sucked.
phf: i refused to use optical mouse for a long time, because my railgun technique involved upwards swipe, that would periodically glitch out with an optical mouse and would rotate completely randomly. good times.
mircea_popescu: old optical mice were pretty shitty.
mircea_popescu: then again, old ball mice... i had a straight lines and right angles genius. because molding plastic was hard in the 80s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.0005036 = 26.9678 BTC [+]
phf: https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3395/3439554866_696f955b46.jpg one of these?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrTmNX )
mircea_popescu: yeah but 3 buttons
mircea_popescu: same exact button type tho, with that angle.
hanbot: mircea_popescu how many lightbulbs can you turn on at a time with that?
mircea_popescu: no because lightbulbs came after that
mircea_popescu: anyway, they had a very heavy steel ball with a thin silicone covering.
hanbot: “Online virtual currencies are clearly here to stay – no pun intended”, according to Mitch Callahan, Clearly Canadian’s Bitcoin Campaign Manager. << is that you btw, mitch_callahan?
hanbot: !up mitch_callahan
mitch_callahan: haha yep, that would be me
mitch_callahan: lots of derping, doing "merchant" stuff
mitch_callahan: pete_dushenski smacked some sense into me ☟︎
hanbot: oh hey, cool.
mitch_callahan: i think those guys finally reached their goal a year later. i should have some clearly canadian to give away in the near future. i cant remember what it cost me in btc, though.
mircea_popescu: http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\ ☟︎
assbot: Cryptsy seeking legal action against Mike Johnson | To The Moon ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrW2Lk )
mircea_popescu: is clearly canadian some sort of alcohol ?
mitch_callahan: its an old fruit flavoured beverage that was popular in the 80's and 90's
hanbot: iirc it's an alt-cola
mitch_callahan: a guy in the US bought the trademark and brought it back
mircea_popescu: ah ah i recall now yea
mircea_popescu: ironically the guy actually tried to get it on mpex, but this was back in the single digit times.\
mitch_callahan: ha, what!
mitch_callahan: he met a lot of people very quickly. iirc he had erik voorhees on the line, amongst others. bitpay was pushing it, too.
mitch_callahan: it jump started me in the space, mostly meeting people, seeing who's who. started a meetup, etc etc.
mircea_popescu: it would have been a horrible idea (as i pointed out at the time). a purely fiat business like selling fizz fits very poorly on bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know it runs up 10k% (as it did) and you're left paying pennies to the dollar to your investors, IN SPITE of having done a great job.
mitch_callahan: it was those price movements that got them all paranoid, too and they stopped mentioning btc.
mitch_callahan: man im surprised through his research he ended up chatting with you
mitch_callahan: good on him
mitch_callahan: in the early days, if one looked up bitcoin, one would find mpex shortly thereafter
mitch_callahan: I discovered mpex about 2 minutes after i discovered bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: not that different today really.
mitch_callahan: piles of shit on top
mircea_popescu: well depends on what is meant by research, of course
mircea_popescu: so i guess.
mitch_callahan: true story
mitch_callahan: this is relatable to the google talk earlier
mitch_callahan: one day mircea_popescu, you crossed my mind. i visualized a bunch of shapes collapsing in on themselves. it was the universe eating itself.
mitch_callahan: i read the logs a few weeks later and it's what cazalla describes as the bitcoin hole I'm guessing
mitch_callahan: anyhow, I need to rest. night everyone.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142000 @ 0.00049048 = 69.6482 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00049998 = 16.1994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37116 @ 0.00048875 = 18.1404 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Is this corn-free?” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/is-this-corn-free/
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295418 << Best I can tell Coinfire has friends in Law Enforcement, or is a Law enforcement guided OP ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 04:40:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\
BingoBoingo: re: Ball Mice. While they were a thing I don't remember a time "castration" wasn't a prank that plagued public computer labs.
mircea_popescu: you think hangout ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they seem pretty derpy.
BingoBoingo: Law Enforcement generally seems derpy.
BingoBoingo: And I mean... They go quiet when they get legal papers, as in their GAW reporting where it seemed they actually had law enforcement reports
mircea_popescu: hm.\
mircea_popescu: it certainly is a theory.
mircea_popescu: would at least fit some more bizarre patterns observed.
BingoBoingo: It's not a drunk theory. Came into it while walking tonight.
BingoBoingo: They've got some awfully fucking bizarre patterns
BingoBoingo: It's just very bizzare the particular way that they suck, yet still seem to get the information
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: and yet their bizarro PR is very consistent with "one derpy dude"
mircea_popescu: all sorts of readily self-contradictory grandstanding and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: it could be bitpay.
mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost.
BingoBoingo: Could be. Fuck it could be one derpy dude workin in Law enforcement and their 5% time project
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost. << Those were some lulz
BingoBoingo: !up Zuardi
Zuardi: \o/
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294246 <<< aka "no you don't need a fucking magic wand to go to school" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 17:20:17; mike_c: but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00049197 = 50.8279 BTC [+]
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294459 <<< why? because 8 bits? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 22:24:07; ascii_field: because you cannot blockchain on it.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998257.msg12620721#msg12620721
assbot: Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Opy0zg )
BingoBoingo: davout: Because slow
davout: "I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community." <<< win
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72491 @ 0.00049197 = 35.6634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70936 @ 0.00048871 = 34.6671 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yep; i'm waiting for a mail from him should come later on today
davout: http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/2015/10/09/32001-20151009ARTFIG00094-uber-accuse-son-principal-concurrent-d-espionnage.php <<< lulzy
assbot: Uber accuse son principal concurrent d'espionnage ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhYdeO )
davout: uber leaves keys on github repo, complains it gets raped
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189100 @ 0.00048854 = 92.3829 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295382 << I can barely keep regular mouse clean, I wonder how dirty I'd make this in a week ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 04:04:25; asciilifeform: http://www.xoticpc.com/images/accessories/mice/rat9_02.jpg
punkman: (also couple MadCatz things I bought (long ago) barely worked and didn't last long) ☟︎
punkman: I should probably look for a dishwasher-safe mouse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00049197 = 9.5196 BTC [+]
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295202 << what kind of stupid shit is this now ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 01:44:12; BingoBoingo: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design
punkman: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/1-dead-dorm-shooting-northern-arizona-university-article-1.2391149
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDr02U )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104702 @ 0.0004905 = 51.3563 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08265.html ☟︎
assbot: [openpgp] New fingerprint: to v5 or not to v5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1htXWg2 )
davout: "This gained us the benefit of having a bijective connection between fingerprint and key." <<< lolwut
punkman: from same thread: "If Collision attacks become viable for SHA-1 fingerprints, then they would probably also become viable for subkeys as well, and it might be possible for an attacker to generate a subkey with a collision for the cross-certifying signature, and be able to graft a false subkey onto a master key with a SHA-1 signature, which would definitely be a key compromise." ☟︎
jurov: davout i guess because it can either hardly fit whole block into addressable memory and/or do ecdsa fast enough
davout: jurov: i'd say it's the former (hence 8 bits) that makes it 'impossible', instead of simply 'impractical'
davout: punkman: that would be pretty fucking serious indeed
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assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 688 @ 0.00459198 = 3.1593 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08268.html nice list of bugs
assbot: [openpgp] OpenPGP Armor Message specification ... ( http://bit.ly/1hu0ESU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55385 @ 0.00049111 = 27.2001 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: "It is not compulsory to live in Australia, if you find Australian values are, you know, unpalatable, then there's a big wide world out there and people have got freedom of movement," Mr Turnbull said.
cazalla: but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis ☟︎
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295449 <<< something is off, i'm sure you remember the claims of 30k traffic per day or whatever it was ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 06:50:40; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295418 << Best I can tell Coinfire has friends in Law Enforcement, or is a Law enforcement guided OP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57075 @ 0.00048798 = 27.8515 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121450 @ 0.00048627 = 59.0575 BTC [-]
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295512 <<< "we mean what we say until it's actually time to mean what we say" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 11:59:36; cazalla: but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis
asciilifeform: 'While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution.' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295499 << lulzy, full of roaches ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 11:04:22; punkman: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08265.html
asciilifeform: 'Given that we are expecting to soon switch from RSA to ECC for improved security and that the current base of OpenPGP implementations supporting ECC is quite small, I would recommend not to allow a second fingerprint format for v4 keys but to bind a new fingerprint format to a v5 key packet version.' << who the fuck is 'we' ?!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295474 << entirely ~not~ because 8 bits. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 08:24:47; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294459 <<< why? because 8 bits?
asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, you ~can~ address as much ram as you want on an 8-bit machine, using bank-switching ☟︎
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Death and Taxes used to be reputable.
thestringpuller: Until the state of VA came and shut down his business.
thestringpuller: he's been acting funny ever since then
asciilifeform: z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl.
asciilifeform: *clock
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see mircea_popescu's article
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com DeathAndTaxes
gribble: Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/>; Bitcoin Power Rangers - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm>
asciilifeform: it
thestringpuller: i wonder if a bitcoin company will call itself triangle in the future
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117600 @ 0.00049258 = 57.9274 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00048627 = 3.1092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95006 @ 0.00048514 = 46.0912 BTC [-] {5}
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295525 << example for readers http://dmitry.gr/index.php?proj=07.+Linux+on+8bit&r=05.Projects ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 13:39:55; asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, you ~can~ address as much ram as you want on an 8-bit machine, using bank-switching
assbot: Linux on an 8-bit micro? - Dmitry Grinberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1LsV1Ms )
thestringpuller: "uARM is certainly no speed demon. It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu ("exec init" and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer. The effective emulated CPU speed is about 6.5KHz, which is on par with what you'd expect emulating a 32-bit CPU & MMU on a measly 8-bit micro. Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usabl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121230 @ 0.00048448 = 58.7335 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18470 @ 0.00048402 = 8.9398 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla> but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis << part of australia's values is hypocrisy. problem ?
mircea_popescu: !up dexx
mircea_popescu: lost yer key ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34060 @ 0.00048402 = 16.4857 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> '[derpage snipped]' << who the fuck is 'we' ?! << i think you know who the fuck is "we".
mircea_popescu: them.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: bitcoin puts a time limit on it, of course, but that's all. hence the clock issue.
thestringpuller: time is always against us
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so looking into the deathandtaxes he was "running a business" in the unknown interim to replace his bitcoin4cash business or whatever
thestringpuller: the first one wasn't compliant but I think he applied for a fed license and he started acting weird after that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148050 @ 0.00048206 = 71.369 BTC [-] {6}
dexX7: mircea_popescu: i didn't know how i can voice myself with a different nick
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295551 << ~you can~ scoop out the ocean with a tea cup, was the point. but not in time for anything. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 14:29:58; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too.
BingoBoingo: http://talosintel.com/reports/TALOS-2015-0035/
assbot: Talos Intel - Talos 2015 0035 ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3yRUB )
BingoBoingo: "MiniUPnP Internet Gateway Device Protocol XML Parser Buffer Overflow"
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: we expelled it from bitcoin for a reason.
BingoBoingo: yeah
ascii_field: btw 'talos' is a cheap front for burning old nsa holez
ascii_field: see, e.g., their 'cisco struck a blow against hackerz!1111' idiocy
thestringpuller: foundation's client has removed miniupnp?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: one of the first things shot in the head
ascii_field: ben_vulpes did this one >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2014#896151 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 23:34:30; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i'm not even sure how it works. possiubly not.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> btw 'talos' is a cheap front for burning old nsa holez << word.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row ahaha
assbot: Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWEqVn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118188 @ 0.00048037 = 56.774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201125 @ 0.00048037 = 96.6144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17025 @ 0.00048408 = 8.2415 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/07/amazon-launches-snowball-a-rugged-storage-appliance-for-importing-data-to-aws-by-fedex << lulzy. calls to mind the 'bandwidth of a boeing full of tape' ancient wisdom.
assbot: Amazon Launches Snowball, A Rugged Storage Appliance For Importing Data To AWS By FedEx | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl1hft )
ascii_field: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/08/looncup << from same fishwrap.
assbot: ‘Smart Menstrual Cup’ Looncup Deciphers Your Flow | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl1j6Q )
ascii_field can't wait for the remote expl0itz for these ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106151 @ 0.00048264 = 51.2327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00048012 = 50.3166 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_800x600/HT/p2/2015/10/07/Pictures/russia-putin-universe-exhibition_d226b98a-6d0a-11e5-a9e2-597b09296f58.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G32oOK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157250 @ 0.00048482 = 76.2379 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen "Volkswagen detects when your tests are being run in a CI server, and makes them pass." hue
assbot: auchenberg/volkswagen · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G32JAU )
punkman: http://littlesis.org/maps/250-in-progress-the-cia-s-network-of-investments
assbot: In Progress: The CIA's network of investments - LittleSis ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33v0D )
punkman: http://www.evanjones.ca/tcp-and-ethernet-checksums-fail.html
assbot: How both TCP and Ethernet checksums fail (evanjones.ca) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G34kXn )
jurov: the putin pic is simply genial
BingoBoingo: Lizards need homes too https://archive.is/L6U47
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G34RbI )
jurov: BingoBoingo: the link does not work
jurov: in firefox
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/national-geospatial-intelligence-agency-releases-study-of-st-louis-sites/article_f598dce5-2bef-5110-bceb-167b9646ae6a.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G365Um )
jurov: ok, original does
BingoBoingo: Yeah, something went wrong, archive.is usually makes good pages. Posted archive link before completley scraped
BingoBoingo: Just... The odd shit lizards say they look at when deciding on a home
punkman: "The study also addressed St. Louis city's efforts to use eminent domain and relocate residents to put together a 100-acre urban site for the construction. It found that there would be "long-term beneficial effects to individuals who are relocated."
BingoBoingo: In other news, not just VW http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu
assbot: Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G36MNJ )
kakobrekla: related stories : VW emissions scandal is a one-off incident, says motor industry boss
BingoBoingo: lol
punkman: http://cdn.i24news.tv/upload/image/27d4f58fa5ca8689fe549394a791de21ad7a64fb.jpg more putin
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G37k68 )
punkman: http://www.cityam.com/225939/an-exhibition-in-hoxton-today-turns-vladimir-putin-into-batman-gandhi-and-pele
assbot: An exhibition in Hoxton today turns Vladamir Putin into Batman, Gandhi and Pele | City A.M. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G37wlX )
jurov: well, one is enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118394 @ 0.00048184 = 57.047 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00047968 = 8.6131 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88164 @ 0.000479 = 42.2306 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72670 @ 0.00048602 = 35.3191 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italian-porn-actor-rocco-siffredi-launches-university-of-porn-for-aspiring-stars-a6684661.html
assbot: Italian porn actor, Rocco Siffredi, launches ‘University of Porn’ for aspiring stars | Europe | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4zaBM )
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 517 @ 0.00466962 = 2.4142 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00458266 / 0.00462529 / 0.00467485 (1205 shares, 5.57 BTC), 7D: 0.00456956 / 0.00462269 / 0.00469879 (1736 shares, 8.02 BTC), 30D: 0.004 / 0.00466808 / 0.00492306 (5857 shares, 27.34 BTC)
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Surviving young Pantagruels: a practical guide. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/surviving-young-pantagruels-a-practical-guide/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62500 @ 0.00048091 = 30.0569 BTC [-]
ag3nt_zer0: g'afternoon...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00048091 = 27.989 BTC [-]