phf: hfs+ still has forks, except now they have some ~monster~ xattr resourcefork hybrid
phf: befs was tight in that respect, where they blend xattr and file contents, and then build all tools with metadata support upfront, so you could have a folder full of mp3s and they would come up as song-name, song-title, date, etc.
phf: or email for that matter
phf: beos email client was a thing to download mail and the thing to view/compose. everything else was handled by file manager
BingoBoingo: punkman: European central bank is likely going to do money direct to consumers
punkman: BingoBoingo: yeah that might help
BingoBoingo: "The health department said the fate of the bull would be left to the family." << Note, being a Bull means you get out of USG law racket sometimes
punkman: asciilifeform: plain text? they already had that
BingoBoingo: That depends on the will of the bull versus the skill of the tractor
BingoBoingo: Often they suffocate in silos full of grain and silo gasses
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:33:01; BingoBoingo: ;;google pto hazards
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, a tractor's PTO generally provides more power for the mangling
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assbot: The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people than terrorists do | Lindy West | Opinion | The Guardian ... (
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BingoBoingo: punkman: For the record the author of that piece on the Toddler problem is a notorious hamplanet of ~400 pounds
BingoBoingo: Creature given its initial platform by Gawker Media's "Jezebel" fat rights blog
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 15:57:06; ben_vulpes: bitbet is dead.
ben_vulpes: i don't see how it can continue without mods and hosting on the books.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:22:55; asciilifeform: distribute the exponentiated payload !111111
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:31:08; asciilifeform: what do american farmers typically die of on he job?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:44:15; jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i should further clarify that 'active years' were, regardless of the farmer's age, up until about 20 years ago. the size of farms have grown exponentially of late, hand-in-hand with the increased cost of inputs and the decreased price of outputs.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:10:43; asciilifeform: because - guess what - a CR/LF, LF, or CR - LOOK THE SAME on the page.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:15:07; jurov: no, he wants everything converted to plain english. maybe even 5-bit code without support for newline characters.
pete_dushenski: ecb wanted to keep up with feds but weren't nearing election (or selection) so they transgendered the poor sob
mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:16:04; asciilifeform: at the cost of gpg being utterly retarded in 101 ways
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: assuming: betbet revenue is 100x divs (fault in several ways), and 2500 hours of time, and 0.4% of bitbet revenue to mods implies a .18 btc/hr mod rate. perverse incentive, though.
mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, "specie" in english means gold bullion. it's unadvisable to use in the context you do.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a simple way to address the problem is put in a fixed per-bet fee, of say .2 or .3 or w/e, and make bet minimum 1 or somesuch.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: if mods are to be paid in any fashion, it ought to be bbet shares.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: a) why is that and b) out of whose piggy?
mircea_popescu: shares just means dilution. it's not necessarily a bad idea, use qntra experience.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:18:42; asciilifeform: 'I did fight things out in court. It just occurred in secret, and while a proper description would require the use of vulgarity, I'll summarize by saying I was railroaded. The length of time between when I received the PRTT order, and when I was found in contempt (ex parte) was about 5 weeks. For comparison the /median /time between filing and disposition of a civil contempt charge in federal court du
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:20:52; asciilifeform: 'we are entitled to everyone's plain text data, and if Congress won't give it to us, we'll use our 27.1 billion dollar budget, and army of 100K lawyers to take it in court. Your tax dollars at work.'
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: bbet share payment also avoids the issue of mods dragging their heels in resolving a sticky situation, as per hour fees would. share payment also puts skin in the game and flat-rate payment incentives efficiency.
mircea_popescu: qntra model really taught us a lot. only thing is... came years after original bitbet.
mircea_popescu: it's not entirely unwarranted. mods do contribute value.
mircea_popescu: dilution matching contribution is mere growth, quite healthy.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:57:49; mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, "specie" in english means gold bullion. it's unadvisable to use in the context you do.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:59:01; mircea_popescu: jurov is the mario draghi "she" deliberate ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: could the digest be a tool for node operators to ensure access to miners?
ben_vulpes: if nonce demand is kept high enough, anyone operating a node that can produce digests has something of value to miners.
ben_vulpes: and if the two parties are engaged in commerce, at least there must be an open channel to those consuming the digests.
mircea_popescu: it;s nothing short of saying "the clouds must be painted on the firmament because they are seen and the parsimonious explanation of all thigns seen is painting".
mircea_popescu: clouds have a function beyond their perceptible form ; "sybils" means nothing other than the cartel.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00041975 = 4.7012 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: BingoBoingo: better make yourself an author if you do such extensive changes
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:55:17; mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
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assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 05:52:52; mircea_popescu: clouds have a function beyond their perceptible form ; "sybils" means nothing other than the cartel.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 12:13:45; assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:55:17; mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00041975 = 1.9309 BTC [-]
jurov: asciilifeform: if he is fine with serially connecting elements with wildly variable resistances to 300V, no wonder he's fine with many other interesting things :)
☟︎ BingoBoingo always imagined low power colo working off of DC straight from batteries
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Get power to batteries however, one it's in the batteries dice it up and feed to machines as appropriate
jurov: even batteries are advised not to be massively serially connected, you know
jurov: plus, high voltage DC is more dangerous to humans than AC, plus harder to extinguish arcs
solrodar: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: davout does indeed seem to be better qualified than me
solrodar: but before it gets written into a contract I want to question why we're presuming that bills are more senior than bettor funds
BingoBoingo: Also in Davout's favor is he parted out and closed a contentious property before after he acquired Instawallet and discovered it to be toxic. He's got experience dealing with the aggro.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> even batteries are advised not to be massively serially connected, you know << Well, I imagined massively parallel FeNi banks. linked to get target voltages. Abuse however just so long as you remember to water them.
BingoBoingo: And there's even automatic watering systems available for that part
BingoBoingo: In other news, today is closing arguments for Hulk Hogan v. Gawker
davout: solrodar: unless the liquidator bill is senior he has no guarantee to be paid, in which case...
solrodar: but why necessarily other ones?
mircea_popescu: solrodar bills are senior because in general for the same general reason. you don't pay electricity, bankrupt or not, you can't have the lights on. receiver still has to work.
solrodar: and the only bill in question is of course your bill for 17 BTC
mircea_popescu: "i just disproved a general consideration by my misinterpretation of a particular" you say ?
solrodar: if that is rejected or haircut, it doesn't impede the liquidator's work
mircea_popescu: you can't base your judgement about what to do with a category on the basis of what you know or "can imagine" in terms of examples from that category.
mircea_popescu: that's why black people aren't "naturally thieves" irrespective what black people you can personally summon to mind.
solrodar: so you're saying there's a general principle in liquidation that all claims by suppliers and employees are senior to all claims by customers?
nubbins`: <+solrodar>but before it gets written into a contract I want to question why we're presuming that bills are more senior than bettor funds << i want to question why you used "we"
mircea_popescu: fiat practice is indeed vast and in time it has grown fragmented and oft contradictory.
solrodar: since when do you follow fiat practice?
mircea_popescu: if you ask "there's a general principle in liquidation" you are necessarily asking about fiat practice, there not being another practice in the field.
solrodar: ok, but it's obviously a principle you wish to adopt
solrodar: if the only argument is "receiver still has to work", then it only applies to claims the receiver must pay in order to do his work
BingoBoingo: solrodar: Since the reciever's aim is recovering the maximum value from where it can, ideally they pay the bills to not injure the brand anymore than it has been by ending up in recievership.
solrodar: BingoBoingo: not paying customers injures the brand a lot more than not paying mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: solrodar the receiver has the option to set aside bills anyway, so that's not much of a practical consideration.
solrodar: true, but I would suggest it not be written in stone at this stage
BingoBoingo: solrodar: Ideally everyone gets paid maximally. Bills and customers both are bounded liabilities.
mircea_popescu: seniority is principally important so as to give the receiver the option, not the obligation, to pay things NOW, rather than promise to pay after he pays someone else.
davout: solrodar: which is why i haven't written it in stone, in case you did not notice
mircea_popescu: this neatly matches the ability of suppliers to cut the spaghetti NOW as opposed to the customers' ability to basically whine moar.
solrodar: davout: "payment of the liabilities on a best-effort basis, ordered by priority (certified bills, bet winnings & refunds, shareholders)"
solrodar: I suppose that could be read as not being an ordered list
mircea_popescu: and in general this inept "mp said something ; i said something else because i'm just as much a X as mp" is the font of ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: you wanna argue against something i said, do yourself and especially your posterity the favour of coming with eighteen armored divisions.
davout: solrodar: well, how about you think of a bitcoin transaction fee as a certified bill? it is necessary to pay it for the receiver to be able to actually bettors for example
solrodar: but as I said, if the only argument is "receiver still has to work", then it only applies to claims the receiver must pay in order to do his work
solrodar: yes, and I don't see where you responded to that point
solrodar: I have only 0.2 BTC of outstanding bets, so this isn't really a conflict of interest for me
mircea_popescu: two things, read them outloud to yourself. 1. if A is a class senior to B, then receiver MAY NOT proceed to pay B until he has disposed of A entirely. therefore suppliers MUST be in A and cusomters in B, BECAUSE customers can do nothing to injure the bankrupt concern,. whereas the suppliers can.
mircea_popescu: this flows from the definition of the term supplier (comes before the company on the flow) and customer (comes after).
solrodar: who says all suppliers must be in the same class?
mircea_popescu: and 2. IF you want to argue against something i said, do yourself the favour and BRING VERY GOOD ARGUMENTS. because your own personal word will count for nothing much, and you'll just make a clown out of yourself.
mircea_popescu notes bitterly that the chinese ARE fucking prosecuting their own bfl, unlike the usg faggots.
mircea_popescu: and if i'm reading this correctly there may well be death sentences ?
PeterL: solrodar they didn't say all suppliers must be in the same class, the receiver has the option to classify suppliers as urgent/non-urgent
solrodar: yes, but if davout's list is read as an ordered list then it still says that all suppliers are senior to all bettors
PeterL: but in order to have that flexibility, suppliers as a class must be senior to customers as a class
solrodar: if he says it's not an ordered list then that's fine
solrodar: URGENT suppliers must be senior to customers
solrodar: who says all suppliers must be in the same class?
PeterL: you don't seem to grasp the must pay first/can pay first difference
PeterL: well, it is up to the receiver to classify things
solrodar: yes, so I'm simply saying that the receiver's contract should not presume any particular classification
solrodar: whereas davout's post does appear to do so
BingoBoingo: <solrodar> yes, so I'm simply saying that the receiver's contract should not presume any particular classification << The reciever may end up rejecting some claims by suppliers, but the MUST be *considered* first
solrodar: considered yes, and possibly then downgraded to be at the same level as bettors?
mircea_popescu: "if you didn't need to pay him as a supplier, fuck him". how's the receiver to justify this "downgrade" ?
solrodar: because you still haven't shown why a non-urgent supplier should take priority over a customer
solrodar: or why all suppliers are necessarily in the same class
mircea_popescu: but ftr it's slowly dawning on me just how god damned ~HARD~ it is to speak in the forum. all sorts of separations, between descriptive and prescriptive, between time ; between causes and effects, between roles and hierarchies... jesus god how does anyone even keep it straight.
mircea_popescu: solrodar i am not entertaining your concepts of "non-urgent", and so i won't be showing anything about them.
mircea_popescu: they're not required by the model, and there's no indication they add justifiable complexity ; not to mention they're not even defined, or by all appearances definable.
mircea_popescu: and yes, I don't intend to follow fiat practice in THIS particular respect : that it's always willing to add complexity for the sake of satisfying fee-fees.
solrodar: well, if the receiver has discretion to reject claims then he also should have discretion to determine the seniority of claims
BingoBoingo: solrodar: Are you familiar with the "mechanics lien"
solrodar: it can be as complex or as non-complex as he wishes
mircea_popescu: why not have discretion to also determine the count of bitcoin in existence, while at it.
solrodar: BingoBoingo: who are you suggesting has one in this case?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this getting people to read up on the complex topic of patrimonial dispositions or prior art ?
BingoBoingo: solrodar: I'm suggesting it as a rabbit hole to read moar on to understand how complex the matter of claims is, not strictly legally but morally
mircea_popescu: lol davout while i'm the first friend of humor, or so i like to think, that two weeks tm can't stand there. it can readily be interpreted to mean forever, and that just can't be.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how to act correctly (ethics) ; how to satisfy the will of gods (morals) ; how to run your business (equity).
solrodar: BingoBoingo: indeed it is complex, and so if bettors have to take a haircut because mircea_popescu is senior, then that's fine, as long as there's a justification for it
solrodar: "mircea_popescu says so, and you're an idiot" is not a justification
BingoBoingo: solrodar: I'm not necessarily suggesting that
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:20:21; TimSwanson: That's not how debates work
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until I finish a religious tract Imma just treat satisfying the will of the gods as alternately a question of conduct and business
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well If I really am a sunni I gotta take from the Jews and the Christians, because that's how history works
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Speaking of this topic, can you spin up a justification of Obesity being a Cardinal sin as if Man is created in God's image defiling oneself with obesity is akin to defiling God?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Or do I need a different species of scholarship for that
mircea_popescu: i must say i'm pretty impressed with this darkcoin thing and with the chinese govt generally. a) no idiotic derpage a la "bitlicense" ; b) actually prosecute scammers.
PeterL: BingoBoingo I think you nailed it, no more argument needed to vilify obeasts
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and what if they can't fit down the chute ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If remixing things might as well escalate its cardinality
danielpbarron: shows lack of self-control which The Bible requires of the saved
PeterL: mircea_popescu then slice them into smaller pieces?
mircea_popescu: i always thought "the path to destruction is broad" just gave measure of the argot prescience of the king james bible and it really means "the path to destruction is woman".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron and what if they can't fit down the chute ? << Plop them on top of a chute and wait for the fold mold to liquefy them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00042003 = 5.2084 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 12:20:36; asciilifeform: also i would like to watch mp or anyone actually ~do~ the 'hand verify' thing.
danielpbarron: Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
mircea_popescu: i had the pleasure of a coupla of such nonsense back in the day.
mircea_popescu: (for the curious, the way private sealed writs work in fiat court is, the presumed author is confronted with them. if he accepts them all is fine, if however he repudiates them the circus starts, because the case forks into a sub-case about whether the item is genuine or not, gotta have witnesses as to the writ, experts as to the writ, you can be there a month with the piece of paper.)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Also pls to not link my blog as my slave name.
mircea_popescu: (and yes in that month i can do the fucking rsa exponentiation on paper three times over.)
☟︎ danielpbarron: you know your name is on the listing agreement for qntra right?
danielpbarron: well i'd rather not list your blog at all if the requirement is to not use your name
BingoBoingo: I don't mind it being used where necessary, but it is still a slave name
☟︎ BingoBoingo: That my parents gave me and the fiat gang stole the title to
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you gonna get yourself a pinoy sunni name son ? << Maybe
danielpbarron: you should honor your parents, regardless of who else stole whatever
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know he has a point tho, just because someone stole or didn't stole it, what's that to you ?
PeterL: when you meet a girl at the bar, do you introduce yourself "Hi, I'm BingoBoingo"?
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> when you meet a girl at the bar, do you introduce yourself "Hi, I'm BingoBoingo"? << It's an occasion to use the legacy identfier
mircea_popescu: PeterL i knew a guy who would introduce himself to half drunk british roses as "hi, my name's pizda ma-tii!"
BingoBoingo: But Back when I did the bar thing I'd use different names at each bar generally
mircea_popescu: "honey, if you can say that outloud you're not drunk enough."
PeterL: Me nephew has to say his name several times before any new acquaintances get it, my brother named him Tlazohtlalia
BingoBoingo always though NOT using aliases at the bar was inviting unnecessary risk
PeterL: (my sis-in-law is of Aztec heritage)
PeterL: sounds kindla like "klaw-zoe"
mircea_popescu: ha. don't you need a moustache to legally wear that name ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't use aliases even in promiscuity. everyone's "vampyre lord" and "celeste" and what the fuck not, i'm mircea popescu
BingoBoingo: But when you drink in the manner I am inclined to you gotta have something you can pronounce
mircea_popescu: at least if they had the fucking decency to be funny about it, lord derp and hurrserl and shit. but no, "chocolate".
jurov: some germans insist to call me "georg" even without any substances involved. the original is apparently too hard
BingoBoingo: Also the consonants have to be able to survive a prnounced slur
PeterL: asciilifeform I just realized I answered your question wrong, I am not aztec, I'm good old English-American. My brother married into Aztec.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only in us courts that got very lazy meanwhile.
jurov: was a while to get used to it. i wonder how was BingoBoingo keeping track of his nickname when it was different every time
mircea_popescu: i suspect through a massive dose of not giving a shit.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:46:05; mircea_popescu: (and yes in that month i can do the fucking rsa exponentiation on paper three times over.)
mircea_popescu: if i ever open a brothel here, we'll have a rsa night.
mircea_popescu: naked sluts doing hard maths, what more can you ask of art.
jurov: asciilifeform: as usual, your lawyer will just crudely reimplement rsa in excel
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:46:53; BingoBoingo: I don't mind it being used where necessary, but it is still a slave name
jurov: it's simple, he transcended the slavery by referring to himself by his wot nick
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think his plan to fight some derps doing black magic is not to squarely ignore them, but to DO THINGS to anti-magic their magic.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 13:25:04; jurov: asciilifeform: if he is fine with serially connecting elements with wildly variable resistances to 300V, no wonder he's fine with many other interesting things :)
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 13:27:29; *: BingoBoingo always imagined low power colo working off of DC straight from batteries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, you can't protect a circuit from overvoltage, overcurrent and everything else ?
mircea_popescu: this is even lulzier than the whole "can't move out of dc" thing.
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of our attempts to you know, get out of hardware dependency of chinese\
mircea_popescu: "i want someone to make me a si foundry and i'll strangle anyone who even tries to make a power source!"
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to follow this with the huts etc but it doesn't coallesce into a something.
mircea_popescu: anyway, would it make you happier if he puts a transformer in between, takes it from 300 V 1 A to 4.5 V 60 A and then parallels that ?
mircea_popescu: i guess he'll need to use thicker wires, but hey, if it'll make your impalement sense happy why not.
mircea_popescu: the ~only point i made prior to the whole "way things are done!11" explosion was, that for the price of buying extension cords for all the shitty little bricks he can make a central power source himself.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:34:24; mircea_popescu: lol davout while i'm the first friend of humor, or so i like to think, that two weeks tm can't stand there. it can readily be interpreted to mean forever, and that just can't be.
mircea_popescu: decentralization being not the answer, but the problem, in many applications. as seen here.
PeterL: maybe it is just my lack of electrical engineering knowledge, but it sounds like mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are saying to do the same thing, but won't agree with each other?
jurov: actually, that would neatly solve the mystery of cascading failure of his raid setup
jurov: if he had the drives powered in that way
jurov: no, he just asked the slaves to, like he hih do danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: <jurov> was a while to get used to it. i wonder how was BingoBoingo keeping track of his nickname when it was different every time << nicknames attach to bars. If bar isn't frequented enough "hey you" workz
jurov: asciilifeform: still talked in hypotheticals, i have no indication that actually happened
jurov: but it's very likely that in absence of other opinions, dpb would actually try it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i think his plan to fight some derps doing black magic is not to squarely ignore them, but to DO THINGS to anti-magic their magic. << Oh it's not a plan. It's noise
mircea_popescu: PeterL> maybe it is just my lack of electrical engineering knowledge, but it sounds like mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are saying to do the same thing, but won't agree with each other? << you have nfi how often this happens.
mircea_popescu: jurov> actually, that would neatly solve the mystery of cascading failure of his raid setup << fu georg!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> PeterL: he suggested (i still can't tell if seriously!) to plug them in ~series~ << no dude. he said "see if your isp is willing to give you a c block / upgrade your connection. buy a coupla bridges of 32 or 64, make a high voltage rectifier thingee, and power a bunch of boxes" then you went all crazy about how series omaygerd! and i spent the rest of the interval poking fun at it. this is an exact para
mircea_popescu: llel of how mp said "^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly." and you spent two days going on about 0 value bitcoin, then the interval hence being butthurt that there's no 0 value bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: I'm not necessarily against taking mp's lines and looking in all the folds carefully ; but it's a little silly to do this run off with what i think an angle might have been, damn everything else.
mircea_popescu: uncharitably i might also observe that other than "i say so!" "it's how it's done" "reddit would agree", relatively little actual arguments were brought, which is why the task of poking fun was so easy/the experience so frustrating.
mircea_popescu: to summarize said argument attempts : line 1. "high voltage is dangerous" "mkay, throw out your tv" ; line 2 : "you will have to protect the line" "yes you will" ; line 3 : "this was done historically" "yes it was".
mircea_popescu: in parallel you're relying on same loads to regulate your... current.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and you know this for a fact ? maybe the profusion is just because people like encapsulated things.
mircea_popescu: tell me this : if you have two 1 ohm items in parallel, at 1 volt ea, what current flows through the main ??
mircea_popescu: win. and if i add a third, what happens to the current ?
BingoBoingo: Screw it, upregulates to 160A because it also has to kickstart the flywheel
PeterL: AC runs motor which spins flywheel which pwers homopolar generator giving DC current
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of plugging into mains, you know that if you bought a bunch of power strips and powered your entire house out of the same socket it'd eventually a) start a fire ; b) pop the fuse ; c) all of the above ?
mircea_popescu: seems pretty dangerous this could happen and also should not be possibru!
mircea_popescu: but i had no idea that things could pop if you use parallel! or that you could possibly need a breaker! or things.
mircea_popescu: actually speaking of dc motors, i wonder if you could get a hamster to wheel-power a pogo.
mircea_popescu: what do the things actually draw, half a W or something ?
PeterL: how much power does pogo take?
mircea_popescu: i had but apparently lost a degree of magnitude on the way.
PeterL: use some exercicles to power it, for obeasts to put their fat to work?
mircea_popescu: would make a pretty great blog topic, you know ? for the numerous bloggers among us constantly looking for stuff to feed the woodchipper with.
mircea_popescu: prolly instafamous on various social media turds, too.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm lucky to be in an engineering-internet. were i in a scholarly-internet it'd be all "mp, potato comes from new world therefore everything is invalid!"
mircea_popescu: mno, the origins are batata and papa (still used as originally, to distinguish sweet and plain varieties, here)
phf: seems like we just need different signing modes, one of them being, "usenet text" or somesuch, ignores repeat whitespace, only recognizes alphanum and top row symbols, signature in the form, "in the year of our republic such and such i honorable citizen with these two primes which are my identity and my blood indicate the validity of the above text, [primes] [signature ciphertext]"
phf: can then manually verify by doing hand rsa. primes and ciphertext are base 10 for human convenience
phf: other signing method is a microdot pattern, you know, to cover all the bases
☟︎ phf: oh my a fresh loper post!
trinque: Not only are there times when one would like to seal a payload with a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval – other than by refraining from sealing. << check it out, a wrath bit
phf: geek code for vpatches
mod6: this seal vector thing is pretty cool.
PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings?
☟︎ mod6: anyway, interesting concept.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:56:27; PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings?
PeterL: why does alf-mp not like it?
PeterL: one byte commentary is easier to package with payload, rather than trying to reference commentary elsewhere
mod6: interesting thought tho
trinque: asciilifeform │ he also says 'intellectualizing is evil, fuck a turnip today for good health' << l0l
mircea_popescu: i've just finished rewiring this set of xmas lights to work in parallel
mircea_popescu: i already am feeling the blessings of engineeringshnu upon my humble abode.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 17:43:18; phf: other signing method is a microdot pattern, you know, to cover all the bases
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:11:44; kakobrekla:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
mircea_popescu: it won't make specific forms of derpage tolerable going forward, also, but there was no provision to protect that stuff anyway.
mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:23:36; *: asciilifeform prepares a bucket for mircea_popescu to barf into after he reads the 'algebra' piece.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436264 << really the problem is that it adds unwarranted complexity. so now we have more bits, yay. do they do anything ? notrly. well if you're going to hire a fortune teller, hire the cheapest not the best. but this aside - the problem you raise is very much a problem, and altogether this thing will have to be worked on moar.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 19:34:15; asciilifeform: in particular, i believe that satoshi's turd is an abomination and is barely fit for any use at all, and ought to be discarded as soon as a politically reliable alternative exists - but there is no way to infer this from what patches i have signed.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 19:59:21; asciilifeform: my internal mp also says 'just because you have a pistol which knows how to fire bullets at people you don't like, it does not follow that there must also exist an antipistol which sucks out bullets from people you like'
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:18:58; mircea_popescu: did you know leds are actually digital equipments ?
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:24:35; mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ?
mircea_popescu: the totality of thoughts thought is a legitimate application of pen to paper, is it not.
mircea_popescu: be they what they may be, they are what they are and so it goes.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:34:13; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436264 << really the problem is that it adds unwarranted complexity. so now we have more bits, yay. do they do anything ? notrly. well if you're going to hire a fortune teller, hire the cheapest not the best. but this aside - the problem you raise is very much a problem, and altogether this thing will have to be worked on moar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : 0, 1, inf. if not one bit, then why not make headers, in ascii ?
mircea_popescu: #This thing is made by me and it sucks but doesn't lie.
mircea_popescu: #This thing is made by drepper, and while it doesn't per se suck, it very likely lies.
mircea_popescu: to date every experiment in forcing people to think has resulted in broken tools.
mircea_popescu: after ro joins eu, they try to improve the quality of police force. send psychologists to test the policemen
mircea_popescu: one of the tests involves one of those boxes with shapes cut into the side and the actual shapes made out of wood outside
mircea_popescu: the results - "1% of the policemen are intelligent, 99% of policemen are strong."
mircea_popescu: "forces one to think" usually works like that - discovers just how many strongmen are there.