shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.BingoBoingo.2:224302a371012a7e132efb7105dc1ccb57a0e4c9a250ee792ac66b5243bdf4a8
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
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mod6: gonna grind on this stuff tonight
ben_vulpes: i have been poking holes in poor mod6's v implementation for days now
mod6: he's doing good work.
mod6: just trying to get everything back into sync
ben_vulpes: to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His being mr spam is why he was cheap hire for that
hanbot: i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket?
BingoBoingo: They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman
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hanbot: i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop
BingoBoingo: They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza
mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.
shinohai: !rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.danielpbarron.2:ff63c3e961a9d1a3201f60e625a4ffc7ed3ed811136a77d2a9ee7d9ba7805cb4
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
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phf: re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ?
phf: topic needs a debate thread
mircea_popescu: is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?
danielpbarron: i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father
mircea_popescu: as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.
danielpbarron: well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her
mircea_popescu: in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.
mod6: how do i know who im talking to
danielpbarron: well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose
danielpbarron: but that's not the same as an assbot registered key
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp
danielpbarron: why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go?
mircea_popescu: how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure i'd recognize cow marriage. heck, im doubtful about same gender marriage.
danielpbarron: aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something?
mod6: part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.
danielpbarron: >> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor.
mircea_popescu: well it's a game, set in a fantasy medieval-ish setting!
mircea_popescu: it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.
mircea_popescu: this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.
danielpbarron: prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife
mircea_popescu: more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.
danielpbarron: or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry
mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing someone should get killed because dude stumbled over nude girlie ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here.
mod6: for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?
mod6: just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating
danielpbarron: i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king
mircea_popescu: well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.
mod6: but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.
mod6: further, some make it, most don't.
mod6: and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.
mod6: Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.
mod6: This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.
mod6: Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.
phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
☟︎ mod6: Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.
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mircea_popescu: but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on.
mod6: oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing.
phf: maybe press a new genesis with skull&crossbones in comments of header of every file. patch file contents will be identical, but hashes all different
mod6: i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and
mod6: then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow
mod6: heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while.
mod6: that maybe a horrible idea. lol.
mod6: anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing.
mod6: yah, see. not well thought out mod6.
mircea_popescu: different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.
mod6: ima think about it though, probably try some different things.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 398779 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 388 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: how's that rollin along for ya?
shinohai: good so far, got stuck a bit earlier, restarted node unclogged.
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shinohai: ^ will do first thing in the a.m.
mod6: np, gonna give an additional step here in a sec.
mod6: so what would be great here, is if you apply the patch, or use the v.pl attached to the email (check the sigs ofc), then start clean, do a fresh `./v.pl i
http://thebitcoin.foundation`, and then press out the entire tree, `./v.pl p v v054 asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch`, then `cd v054` and run that find command at the top of this paste
http://dpaste.com/2SQ1VZ7.txt mod6: You should end up with the exact same sha512 hashes as listed in the paste. Let me know, either way.
mod6: Thanks in advance everyone. Salud!
phf: mod6 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^
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BingoBoingo: In other news when I was at the store today acquired 1lb carbon zinc battery for great justice
BingoBoingo: Not sure if exactly one pound, but given it's heft that's what it feels like.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, 6v "floating lantern" to toss into trunk of car and hopefully forget for 3 years until it needs replacement
mircea_popescu: this fucking climate is beyond comprehension. IT GETS LOTS WARMER AFTER THE SUN SETS.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because if I need lantern light I'm probably going to need enough light to illuminate active worksite
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Welcome to my world. Several days last week high of the day was immediately before sunrise.
mircea_popescu: is it some weird like "during day air moves off river, but at night direction change, hot air moves from plain towards river" or somesuch ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Precise monster zinc carbon went into is "everready dolphin" which walmart had on clearance, for same price as blue pogo which has moved still further down.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here it's "so much plains air moves with impunity"
BingoBoingo: ^ Far more interesting that Barret Brown likely going stoolie
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Barret Brown was "Anonymous" namefag journalist.
punkman: still not sold on the dual genesis, but if the foundation moves forward with this model, I suggest the new genesis is the release/production/stable branch and the existing genesis the experimental one.
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punkman: mircea_popescu: makes more sense, lots of experimentals in existing genesis
punkman: shiva for one, my patches, polarbeard's patches
punkman: the tinyscheme stands alone but there;s also 2-3 other patches related to it that touch trb
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 00:49:56; *: mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.
mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
☟︎ mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski much larger fish than usual in a very tiny pond. what employers. crony capitalism ftw.
mircea_popescu: i dun think there exists even today the romanian speaker who a) is competent in the sense contemplated here and b) actually applies for a job, any job.
pete_dushenski: right, so bring on the best of the best of the nastiest of the crudest of the shrewdest teachers :)
mircea_popescu: there's not even space for head hunters, people just know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: was there not status in working for 'foreign' firm ? did these not have interview/application processes ?
mircea_popescu: these jobs sucked, because foreign firm without exception tried to pay local salaries and demand foreign work.
mircea_popescu: much better deal to actually work in their home location.
punkman: a sidenote that came to mind looking at phf's lisp snippet: adding comments to everything for release patches (and alt-genesis) doesn't work so great if you have non-plaintext files. not a problem for trb as it is, but perhaps something to keep in mind.
mircea_popescu: but no, by and large there was no status there. for middling derps, yes. but not otherwise.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok. so guy wants to improve his station by moving abroad to work for multinational. and he doesn't apply for this job by mailing a few pieces of paper with letters on them, but more importantly with ~numbers~ on them, lending clear incentive to find easy > great teacher in uni ?
mircea_popescu: the occasional exception being local lion backed by foreign capital, resulting in things like say protv. but very much exceptional, and only capable of existing in specific niches. also, temporary things.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ro schooling isn't going to impress anyway.
mircea_popescu: though arguably it should, but that's another discussion.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i took rhetorics with the worlds best rhetorics teacher, no doubt about it. she gave me an 80%, which was by far my lowest mark that year, but then again a good 20% over the next best in the 800 strong year.
punkman: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree? << a release is a vpatch that adds a comment to every single file. or at least that was the plan.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... who the fuck exactly knows who elena dragos is.
mircea_popescu: punkman the important point there is that mod6 signs it.
pete_dushenski: because no special treatment ? no soft pandering to their fee-fees ?
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phf: punkman: is comments in code still the plan? that seems to suffer from similar issues as experimental branch
pete_dushenski: but i guess there can't be ~that~ many pics of abdullah pounding white poon in the back of his open-air 600 landaulet
punkman: phf, seems so. my initial suggestion was releases as patch sequence files, but I don't think anyone liked this idea. My vtron does .seq files with "foo.vpatch \t sha512(foo.vpatch) \n" inside, which works for my blobby vtronized things.
punkman: "the Indiana Jones of exploring crotch", "the Shakespeare of enormous cock"
pete_dushenski: it's not polite to talk about how hung will s. was. it'd be like asking him how much he's paid.
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punkman: pity it doesn't have a better screen
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phf: i added simple hash navigation to btcbase
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assbot: patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... (
http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv )
phf: multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree
☟︎ assbot: patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... (
http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv )
phf: erm, that was supposed to be two different urls..
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punkman: phf: how to do conflict resolution << just let the user pick one of the conflicting branches
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punkman: "The trustee has approved part of the filed claims. At this time those who have filed "BTC-only claim" will know whether it is approved. Other approvals are still on hold.."
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davout: looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69474 @ 0.0005562 = 38.6414 BTC [-]
davout: hrm, maybe it's just me missing some bits in my head
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assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:16:04; mircea_popescu: i recall it had its own genesis.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00055559 = 1.1945 BTC [+]
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assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:57:41; BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
jurov: [Note] -barjavel.freenode.net- Server Terminating. Received SIGTERM << some heavy admining, huh
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jurov: davout, nice statement but the bot is mia again. some people depend on x.eur to run their racket^W serious business!!!
jurov: Namely, my offer to exchange EUR->X.EUR with fixed 2% fee to wot members in good standing using sepa or transferwise stands.
jurov: Looking at you, USians who don't want to feed coinbase and their ilk.
jurov: davout actually transferwise should work for you fine, too. except that iirc you require funding from own accounts and twise sends sepa transfers from estonia instead
davout: jurov: re usians, our new fiat financial partner tells us we accept customers from pretty much all countries now
jurov: did they tell you how much usians pay to wire funds to you?
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 08:15:17; phf: multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree
davout: s/we accept/we can accept/
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't think by now any usian is without eu banking.
mircea_popescu: (no i don't mean redditards, i mean people with jobs, jerry! and secretatries.)
jurov: i am not speaking of usians with own dirigibles here
davout: i'd guess more around 20~30 €, i'll ask around
mircea_popescu: and the monetary cost is nothing, us banks are incredibly parochially retarded, will pretend like they can send wires, but then don't.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 09:43:18; davout: looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday
davout: twas just my client being derpy
davout: not too often that i can say "a boy i'd fuck"
davout: so apparently fees on non-sepa wires are 'complicated' and may or may not depend on the the original fee setting request (OUR, SHA, BEN if memory serves), and on possible currency conversion fees on either end
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you , advise us partners to either a) get an eu entity incorporated and use that or b) be less poor, as applicable.
mircea_popescu: the upfront cost of attempting to do business as a us subject far exceeds any possibility of gain no matter how fantasmagorically distant.
mircea_popescu: it's basically a soviet country, just like the russians were. unlike the other soviet union, however, it doesn't fucking know this, goes to bed every night collectively imagining that "start-ups" as implemented there are actual business ; and "stars" as implemented there are examples of successful people. it's really quite amusing.
davout: either way i'll ask the question a bit more formally, and ask about outgoing non-sepa wires too could be useful since i don't plan on ever becoming a victim of my own success
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you feel about arab girls, but a trip to bahrein is in order.
jurov: davout try formulating the question for lulz "us clients complained about fees, what do you recommend to them"
davout: lulzier if it's just "can you give me an exhaustive list of your currently active fees?"
jurov: heh that won't really work (our fees are $x, add to that $random on the murican side)
davout: i'd be very happy with such an answer, i could simply display "Fees on our end are $x, see with your bank for fees on your side"
davout: kinda how bitcoin works
davout: bitcoin deposits are free + bring-your-own network fee
davout: "not what consumers have come to expect." <<< child pays for parent may one day be a thing
PeterL: isn't that why you have children, so they can support you when you are old?
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously contemplate this applies in the us ?
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PeterL: what, you expect government to be able to support your retirement?
PeterL: one has to prepare for the future somehow
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PeterL: I have decided to stay here, so I will just have to deal with that decision
mircea_popescu: consider this simple point : so i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave to us kid, for $sum. how can he pay ? he can't. he has no money, the usual way he pays for things (begs daddy-government's agent, called "bank" for absolutely no reason much like fast-food is unrelated to food, being a species of engine oil) does not work for this purpose. what's left ? we just discussed how he can not do
mircea_popescu: now replace "i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave" with "any discretionary expense" and you've got a pretty accurate picture.
mircea_popescu: even if he WANTED to, your kid will not be able to support you ; chiefly because he can not have nor can he acquire any money or property.
mircea_popescu: and yes, this was EXACTLY the situation throughout the 2nd half of the 20th century in russia & friends.
PeterL: and it is different in other parts of the world?
PeterL: do you know any part which are different?
mircea_popescu: this is a complicated question. if your kid is smart, such that all he needs to make money is for bitcoin to exist, then most of the world fits the bill, because all he really needs is weak local government.
PeterL: I could go back to my ancestral homeland, but I hear England sucks more than US now
mircea_popescu: if your kid is not smart, but merely autistic, then some hope may exist - but probably in china
mircea_popescu: (for the record, most autistic children misrepresent themselves as smart, and actual smart children as some sort of chtonic horror/chtulhu)
mircea_popescu: yeah, england's not really on the map, unless you wish to join the arab footsoldiers and rape fat ugly chicks for the next decade.
mircea_popescu: shinohai moslty manufactured by the us "embargo on russia". which so totally hurt putin o noes.
mircea_popescu: yet the canadians aren't swarming across the border to fucking burn down the dangerous rogue state next door.
mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
☟︎ PeterL: Who is going to be the first country that openly spurns the US?
mircea_popescu: so far, positive action produced pretty much the least competent us president to date, a few notches below even jefferson davies (and actually very similar in style, too!) who just happens to be a black man.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's ever so glorious being black and having these idiots for "supporters". with such help you really don't need any enemies.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you mean other than pretty much every one there ? from argentina to saudi arabia, take your pick ?
mircea_popescu: and even the retarded canadians... "us posturing precipitated a trade war that just ENDED canada as an industrial nation. wat do ?"
mircea_popescu: "obviously, pretend like nobody could have predicted" "a totally, solid plan mate!"
PeterL: The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything
mircea_popescu: retarded euros on the other hand... "us posturing precipitated an immigration influx that we reallty can't support. wat do ?" "i dunno, but try to not notice that the us-provided security costs a degree or two of magnitude more than the worst possible case would be without them around"
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mircea_popescu: obviously, europe enjoys getting fucked, after so many years of not getting any. but still... money is money. sending washington the bill for the 10mn arabs ?
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany only wanted 5k a head, so it should come out to maybe 50bn or so, not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: davout laugh all you want, but you know zee germans are counting those bn against their eu contributions yes ?
mircea_popescu: french farmers that depend on eu money, which is to say french farmers, may not be so amused.
mircea_popescu: and to think that if only they had the fucking common sense to allow turkey in (like mp said, back in the day, but hey, why listen to mp when you got politicians et all) would have not only prevented this, but made the whole effort productive instread of merely defensive.
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mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: most of what the komintern practically did was allow a ready way for people outside of russia to get rid of their inconvenient opponents.
PeterL: I guess my question is: will other countries actively attack the US?
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder to see it at work, too : consider the case of ross ulbricht. amply retarded kid, did pretty much every stupid thing in the book. yet because he was indicted by the us-komintern, he still has A LOT molre support than would be warranted on the face of things.
mircea_popescu: PeterL attacks are driven by value. if/when someone finds a way to explot it, it will be. so far, it's made relatively safe by its sheer uselessness. which measns that like africa, it will HAVE TO stay dumb to survive.
mircea_popescu: note that the few people who actually do atm derive value from it, the mexican narcos, do not bother to replace the federal government, just route around it.
mircea_popescu: because it is in fact cheaper to do this than undertake the expense to administer it.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the notion that the usg has any say in this is preposterous - if the mexican narcos decided to take over, they would take over, and no us president would even deign to EVEN NOTICE that "hey, at some point in the recent past the border was on the river".)
mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
☟︎ PeterL: lots of farm land, mineral resources, space in which to operate factories
mircea_popescu: and yes, i am aware that you're thinking you're decent people, and your friends idem, and you'll toil and labour and this can't all be to waste. the thing you're not aware of is that i have friends like that in say togo. ever heard of togo ? and had friends like that in lebanon years ago, and so on.
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey, sounds exactly like argentina! tough market.
PeterL: seems to me there is lots of resources here that other people may want to control?
PeterL: pounds of lard (roughly $USPOP * 300)
PeterL: well, the other stuff. lard was joke
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assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:44:08; phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
mircea_popescu: i had, because i expected the thing to work in terms of straight url substitution.
phf: mircea_popescu: there's another patch there that's named differently that does same thing
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 14:59:11; mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
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mircea_popescu: better aligned than the us, tis true, but still a minor player.
Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
☟︎ phf: (so to wrap up previous thread, patches will remain, until clicking any patch in that graph produces a press, ideally clicking on one of the patches from mod6 release should produce press identical to mod6's press even in the presence of conflicting patches. i'll solve this problem sometime this week)
mircea_popescu: sounds good phf. ftr i dun think there was anything wrong with your thing per se. broke an assumption i made that i still don't well understanbd, so... it counts as a positive.
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mircea_popescu: now, your earlier point notwithstanding, bahamas is still an ineptitude record-setting president, on the level of j. davis. tis not ~by~ the adversity he encounters that you know a man, but IN.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:17:11; mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would propose this is not so, nobody actually PAYS the us for ip. merely subsidiaries repatriate capital under that guise.
mircea_popescu: no, it's the tendency of people to abuse the usd as a temporary replacement for btc, until btc was devised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform international trade is particularly complex and famously confusing.
mircea_popescu: let me give you an example : when i was 16, i was paying rent for a place i practically never used, to a married mother of two. who took it in all the holes like a champ, twice a week.
mircea_popescu: for me, it was way the fuck cheaper than to pay the woman for her work. for her, it was an excellent alibi.
mircea_popescu: actually i have nfi why it's not required study for syustems people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just... you have no ready model for this particular thing, in your head. it's showing. tissue decays and reacts to its decay in particular manners, which are pointedly not arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: and there's sure as heck no "life power" behind it all, which amusingly is your go-to answer whenever complexity overwhelms.
mircea_popescu: " is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball." << if we were discussing a tissue sample, this would directly map to "god's life force prevails"
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mircea_popescu: and nobody i ever met retires to palo alto. have you EVEN SEEN the place ?
phf: (in other apple is dead not so news, i logged into a developer account in hopes of grabbing xcode dmg's direct instead of going through apple store, and oh boy. what used to be a rather spartan list of downloads, docs, resources has turned into "Click your iPhone app into Apple Store! Anyone can do it!" complete with giant banners of hip womens holding iphones. where's the docs? where's all the shit? literally the only thing you can do
phf: is renew your $99/yr dev license)
mircea_popescu: phf why the everloving fuck would you pay a license to develop.
mircea_popescu: oh oh this is about putting stuff in the apple store thing is it.
PeterL: trying to get stuff into walled garden, has to go past gate guards
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you develop for anything but rooted appleware unless apple was paying your salary+benefits is unclear to me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it finally nudged my coin so to speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i get that part, but i meant you as in phf not you as in look what i found on reddit, even has tits.
jurov: mircea_popescu thinks that extracting coins from the wot is easy?
PeterL: if you expect to get rich off $1 sales, you need the garden market, not the few individuals outside it
mircea_popescu: jurov /me thinks that you don't have to pay anything to try.
mircea_popescu: PeterL in other news, eulora sold more game time and made more revenue per game time than pretty much everything in that walled garden. but then again...
jurov: heh eulora.. depends for whom.
mircea_popescu: is this factual btw ? are there more people with unrooted apple-things than rooted ?
mircea_popescu: because it occurs to me - if you really care about alf-considerations re kbd rf, use an ipad.
mats: heh... overheard in palo alto bar shortly after new years: 'so i'm trying to choose between Harvard Law, Stanford Law, and Palantir... what do you think i should do? ;)'
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:26:10; mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
PeterL: I assume so, most iphnoe owners are lazy, right?
jurov: hahahahaha of course majority leaves it unrooted
mats: palo alto sucks, can confirm
jurov: even i could not be arsed to mess with moms ipad
jurov: web works, email works, so why root
PeterL: my grandparents lived in Palo Alto for a while, that is where my dad went to high school (back in the 60's)
mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is.
☟︎ jurov: and there's qntra. phf, say, if you write the why and how of V, you'll surely recoup the $99 several times.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i admittedly have no clue, but i'd have expected the golden route is to simply replace the blessed chip of blessings with normal item.
jurov: hahahahaha if the damned things could be even sanely opened
PeterL: and you think average joe is going to replace a chip on his expensive phone?
mircea_popescu: jurov it's traditionally hoiw rthis insanity is defeated, dunno
mircea_popescu: PeterL a) phone is free with carrier bill is it not ? huge incentive - get out of 3k in payments ; b) usually specialist shops do it.
jurov: hahahahaha apple specialists are trained to either replace device or exchange for coupons to newe shinier one
mircea_popescu: speaking of nintendo, i recall a thriving mod chip industree just about the time the bulgarians were taking over cd pressing.
phf: there was a project for os replacements back in 3g days, back when you could still conceivably load your own blob as an os, and expect it to do ~something~
jurov: have you caught the recent update problems? get non-original part, get bricked on next update
mircea_popescu: jurov seems like a great incentive to take the crap out altogether.
jurov: even capbles have proprietary chips
trinque: at least in android's case there's something of a linux down there you can get to without back-alley surgery
mircea_popescu: next time babe goes into the bath with her phone in hand, ima look into the damned thing i guess.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hdbuck You got published again!
phf: also ftr i've never had a paid license. even without it developer.apple.com used to have all kinds of goodies. source code for all their opensource parts, legacy software, old version of xcode, various specialist tools for debugging, etc.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:57:31; Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
PeterL: according to Forbes, roughtly 2% of ios are jailbroken (data vintage Feb 2013)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was Jobs to curate my Apple/Crapple filter?
mircea_popescu: "Apple A8 APL1011 SoC + SK Hynix RAM as denoted by the markings H9CKNNN8KTMRWR-NTH (we presume it is 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM, the same as in the iPhone 6 Plus) ; Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE Modem ; Skyworks 77802-23 Low Band LTE PAD ; Avago A8020 High Band PAD ; Avago A8010 Ultra High Band PA + FBARs ; Skyworks 77803-20 Mid Band LTE PAD ; InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo"
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jurov: not yer old pentium fo sho
mircea_popescu: so in other words, the results of this discussion are - that apple isn't there yet, but it'd love to pretend like it is, and lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if "samsung sells not only to crapple", thus therefore the normal chip can be had.
mircea_popescu: that is unrelated to our discussion, why do you keep reintroducing it "?
mircea_popescu: "saudi woman can drive a car - by driving a model car in the garage!!1"
mircea_popescu: " lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them."
mircea_popescu: this does not bode well for apple's market value, if true.
mircea_popescu: encapsulation is a dream. you know that. what exactly activates your memory hole to think that apple "done it" ? usg perfume ? what is it ?
mircea_popescu: i never heard of retardation being an effectual preemptor of infection.
mircea_popescu: why don't you say "clearly nobody gives a shit about apple or its products - so few vulnerabilities they can almost chase them all down"
mircea_popescu: could just as well be presented the other way around, you know ? if you're going to assign good/bad arbitrarily, might as well allign the needle backwards.
mircea_popescu: no, this has absolutely nothing to do with any finding out. it is not a matter of fact.
mircea_popescu: when republican instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited lack of interest on the part of the enemies.
mircea_popescu: when imperial instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited the exquisite intrinsic superiority of imperial instrument.
mircea_popescu: you COULD, for the same money, put these in backwards.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one neutral construction here would be that the larger the item under discussion, the more likely you are to credit ability and the less likely to credit happenstance, on the expectation that size and competency correlate.
mircea_popescu: still.. a useful judgement of "size" in this particular sense is very hard to come by.
mircea_popescu: for instance, my own sizeometer judges apple as relatively small.
mircea_popescu: note in any case that while the logic is correct, " on the expectation that size and competency correlate", it is NOT the case that what is meant by size is what'd intuitively appear.
mircea_popescu: much to my chagrin, neither do i. it is at best an experience-bound heuristic atm.
mircea_popescu: something intuitively comprehensible as more akin the german-pioneered "tank shadow" item. whereby a unit was represented as a blob function of both its strength/battle readiness and it's mobility.
mircea_popescu: so a small elite unit was capable of projecting a long shadow whereas a churned to death rifle unit from a siege emplacement was a mere dot.
mircea_popescu: sorta like "size in the mind of the strategist". clean, elite units loom large. complex, large elucubrations are barely noted.
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hanbot: "review". aka "say anonderp, i'm having trouble fitting my pretensions and emotional minutiae in a finite space. would you ask me how i feel about shit and host the results?"
hanbot: he's fucking "excited" about report "products" is he.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: That's actually a serious problem. Being excited about things for their "product" -ness and not that part where they are useful as things.
hanbot: i suspect the recognition that things can actually be useful rather than superficially ego-satisfying is a more and more rare occurrence. or by now, ability. which explains a lot of the stupidity, but doesn't excuse it.
phf: The satisfaction that no longer comes from using the commodities produced in abundance is now sought through recognition of their value as commodities. Consumers are filled with religious fervor for the sovereign freedom of commodities whose use has become an end in itself. Waves of enthusiasm for particular products are propagated by all the communications media. [...] Reified people proudly display the proofs of their intimacy with
phf: the commodity. Like the old religious fetishism, with its convulsionary raptures and miraculous cures, the fetishism of commodities generates its own moments of fervent arousal. All this is useful for only one purpose: producing habitual submission.
phf: debord wrote this in 67, he then wrote an update in the 80s, "everything has gotten even worse then i expected", promptly shooting himself
hanbot is off to read, apparently
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this case SPV is being used to describe garden variety pseudonode
BingoBoingo: AWS banhammer is far more relevant in this case
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since July "SPV" in power ranger and other usage has gone from describing a specific class of idiocy to describing a more general class of turds.
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mircea_popescu: bingoBoingo> "Re: recent node drop, someone is using up connection slots with fake SPV nodes; node count sites may be << o look at that, derpland discovers blackholing.
BingoBoingo: Bunch of lite "wallets" all running in AWS
mircea_popescu: the caek produced the conclusion that there is nothing useful here - the heuristic value of a concept of "size" in evaluating the matter wholly comes from the evaluation that had been already pre-baked in the "size".
mircea_popescu: i have no problem giving food and water to wandering females.
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BingoBoingo: Cool. My daffodils survived last week's snows with leaves intact. Mininal brown on the tips.
BingoBoingo: Hyacinths are more uncertain, but still lots of green. Tulip status unknown, likely many were consumed by squirrels.
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ben_vulpes looking forward to new and exciting bouncer failure modes
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jurov: only 250k chips needed to store blockchain
trinque: that's fun; meanwhile platters are practically unusable for it
mircea_popescu: no i meant - if something being more vapor than elbrus were possible
mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't want to keep changing things either
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna want ring buffers or who knows what heresy
mircea_popescu: you can take curl from my cold dead hands or how was it
mircea_popescu: it's not any sort of gallery. organised disinfo effort trying to take "mp said mtgox must die, bitcoin communitwerps opposed it, got beaten to shit over it" into its reverse.
mircea_popescu: this is plainly how you know who was behind upkeeping the scam,
mircea_popescu: but, as any rapist knows, the best thing for that trade is a ready supply of victims who will deny the deed. "i was never raped!11"
trinque: how do you know who you are if nobody tells you?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's a deeply telling thing. THEY don't know what the fuck they are by themselves. why would a box.
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mircea_popescu: iirc bluematt had some sort of stupid thing to help the network lie about how connected it is
mircea_popescu: iirc he also turned it off when he realised it's actually bad for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: like everything else -dev does, but that realisation hasn't mostly struck yet.
mircea_popescu: humans are built upon identity. mooman's delusions of humanity are built on the perceived or constructed impossibility of identity.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the derpage around anonimity, as if it were a thing.
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trinque: mircea_popescu: know what that might've been? dpaste garbage collected it
trinque: I'll see if I can find what block happened near there
mircea_popescu: which - i can't find any trace of any such thing on deedbot. which is ridoinculous wtf.
trinque: eh, not like it's easy to search through
trinque: but the db has the info which will make its way to the surface at some point
mircea_popescu: you know i just searched the page source for deedbot.org, deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt not in there
mircea_popescu: 39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D911
mircea_popescu: 39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D912
trinque: I'm happy to be human search while there isn't one
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jurov: on order from ft.meade?
jurov: "I see this as a best proof point for Microsoft showing that Windows 10 is certainly more secure than its predecessor and stable enough to be rolled out to millions of people," said Pat Moorhead, analyst at Moor Insights & Strategy.
jurov: you need hands-on win10 experience to truly savor such claim
mircea_popescu: "best proof point windows maintains the favour of nazi hq"
mircea_popescu: wait ... is pat moorhead married to a fellow named moorhead, who is the head of moor something or the other ?
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