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a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 19:14 asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it
asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: on mac you can use e.g. pkgsrc which is a portable portage from netbsd project, which i have on all my machines. posix things of arbitrary complexity build from it
shinohai: yeah www is down for netbsd upgrade
mod6: asciilifeform: oh, interesting, thought it was netbsd
phf: and a powermac g4, that i haven't booted in a while. i'm pretty sure it has netbsd on it though
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 03:43 asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd
a111: 223 results for "netbsd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=netbsd
asciilifeform: !#s netbsd
phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver
asciilifeform: 'I have built a NetBSD release from trunk 1 January each year 2002–2016 ... I built i386 (which is the NetBSD name for x86, even though it does not support i386 CPUs any longer) and sun3. The reason I choose them is that they represent two extremes of architectures — sun3 is a hardware platform that was obsolete already in the mid-nineties, so software size "should not" increase for it unless new functionality is added, while the
asciilifeform: in other oldies, elsewhere, in bloatology : https://archive.is/Yt92E << '20 years of NetBSD code bloat' . with chart.
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe have to pull RAID controller for netbsd
shinohai: it would surely run netbsd and mp-wp w/out hiccup
mircea_popescu: with the downside that you're now stuck maintaining netbsd.
asciilifeform: just about anything with a few GB nic ports, fanless cpu, and some place to stick netbsd etc, worx
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:58 asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 20:55 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init.
asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd ☟︎
asciilifeform attempts a build of traditional stator trb inside netbsd ( as rotor is unnecessary there, there is no drepper glibc )
asciilifeform discovers that NOTHING AT ALL works under netbsd for ~building~ ( i had 2yrs ago build a 'stator' FOR netbsd, UNDER linux, worked... )
asciilifeform: habemus netbsd-zoolag.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 23:12 asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, i DID get netbsd going on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694103 box. but sad part is, it is useless, because 1) no usb 2) nic needs config 3) no way to connect kbd... ☝︎
asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 21:13 asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel
mircea_popescu: none of this cogently argues "netbsd is bad".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netbsd attempt hangs that box at usb chip init.
asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no bios and must run usb3 seems to disqualify the hardware, not netbsd, though.
asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel ☟︎
asciilifeform: https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2013/11/11/msg023663.html << 2013! and before anyone asks, the proposed fix dun work.
asciilifeform: cure on the netbsd forums is 'turn off usb3'. twist : CANNOT be disabled on the box in question
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and ftr i have nfi whether adacore's thing works on netbsd etc )
phf: or possible supporting all kinds of system specific corner cases (oh netbsd returns NULL here instead of "FOO")
phf: i don't know anything about his netbsd work. i know him exclusively via scheme/lisp world
mircea_popescu: phf can you with not so much effort point out to me what netbsd anything he did ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, intel provideds us with a Taylor Campbell anchor for the ~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh symbol, and other than an empty packages maintainer list, choice items such as https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom
phf: it's the same with openbsd's ports, netbsd pkgsrc, mac's homebrew, etc.
mircea_popescu: and in lulzy ancient stuff : http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html interviewer (random nobody) contrasts sony using netbsd for the psp and people finding out because they put an unlinked text file on their website (as per license obligation) which was then found whereas they advertised the shit out of running linux for the ps3 in the terms of "WE THE PEOPLE made this be".
asciilifeform: (consider why, e.g., netbsd, has not displaced it, even for our applications)
phf: err netbsd
phf: one floppy netbsd https://github.com/user340/fdgw2
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: If you bsd either NEtBSD or OpenbsD but make own ports.
iceblox: I have no idea what version, operating system was NetBSD 1.6 for sure
assbot: GitHub - sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses: libcurses and dependencies taken from netbsd and brought into a portable (at least to musl) shape ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAhUAm )
phf: https://github.com/sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses a port of netbsd curses targeting musl/linux. we don't really uses anything with curses directly, but for cli interface building, or balinux, a codebase to keep in mind.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die
asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die ☟︎
asciilifeform: openbsd won't run linux elf, like netbsd ?
ascii_butugychag: (as BingoBoingo prolly knows, dead squirrels in shoeboxes run netbsd.)
asciilifeform: or was it netbsd
asciilifeform: iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer.
ascii_butugychag: i have netbsd running on, what, a dead squirrel in a cardboard box maybe, somewhere.
ascii_field: unrelatedly, http://www.gson.org/netbsd/anita
pete_dushenski: though 15 minutes of reading was all it took to appreciate the enormity of alf's glibcless netbsd.
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:25:36; pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
pete_dushenski: sorry, trb sans glibc on netbsd, to be more precise
pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:03:55; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey! ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:01:59; asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now!
asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! ☟︎
asciilifeform: netbsd is - potentially - v-ifyable.
asciilifeform: i did try netbsd, which has all of the same necessary attributes, BUT lacked essential drivers
ascii_field: whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox'
asciilifeform: (the one pushed by the netbsd folks, notably, calls out to... openssl!!111!!!)
shinohai: Comes pre-installed on my NetBSD shell. May give it a whirl sometimes.
BingoBoingo: Some lols http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project << "NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing."
assbot: NetBSD/evbarm on Radxa Rock USB編 - BSD小僧の日記 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdEO1g )
assbot: Re: NetBSD has now support for USB on EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVxD1 )
ascii_field: ported netbsd to the thing, too
assbot: A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl ☝︎
asciilifeform: TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example.
danielpbarron: i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netbsd i had running weeks and weeks ago. but it sucks for reasons already described in log
mircea_popescu: so this is a sheevaplug brew of what, netbsd ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not quite. netbsd builds
danielpbarron: ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general
thestringpuller: is netbsd still going to be the pogo "base"?
mircea_popescu: anyway. so archlinux ? what happened to netbsd or w/e ?!
ascii_field: but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's
danielpbarron: i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: same problem as netbsd
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: M:N threading was a solaris-like, more-performant-than N:N threading model that nate committed to netbsd, but due to its complexity had to be backed out because nobody could maintain it or reliably fix bugs in it.
mircea_popescu: threading works on netbsd ?
midnightmagic: like the really unfortunate backout of the M:N threading model on NetBSD. that was a sad time.
midnightmagic: yeah, I run -current on NetBSD occasionally too..
BingoBoingo: ^ Noone used Theos NetBSD fork in 1996
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: Example of a NetBSD problem set. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/invented-by-openbsd
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now. << But so much memory unsafety
midnightmagic: NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now.
mircea_popescu: preferring instead to write plaintive missives of no value ten years later, like the netbsd derp.
mircea_popescu: lol. imbecile "Foundation", a problem for every netbsd clone since day one.
mircea_popescu: "The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues"
mircea_popescu: "As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position."
BingoBoingo: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade."
decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD