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a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 19:14 asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it

asciilifeform: i.e. asciilifeform ported to pogo (even had working, save for the flash disk, netbsd port) , then the iron vanished from market long before achieved anyffin useful on it ☟︎

phf: mircea_popescu: on mac you can use e.g. pkgsrc which is a portable portage from netbsd project, which i have on all my machines. posix things of arbitrary complexity build from it

phf: and a powermac g4, that i haven't booted in a while. i'm pretty sure it has netbsd on it though

a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 03:43 asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd

asciilifeform: !#s netbsd

phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver

asciilifeform: 'I have built a NetBSD release from trunk 1 January each year 2002–2016 ... I built i386 (which is the NetBSD name for x86, even though it does not support i386 CPUs any longer) and sun3. The reason I choose them is that they represent two extremes of architectures — sun3 is a hardware platform that was obsolete already in the mid-nineties, so software size "should not" increase for it unless new functionality is added, while the

asciilifeform: in other oldies, elsewhere, in bloatology : https://archive.is/Yt92E << '20 years of NetBSD code bloat' . with chart.

asciilifeform: just about anything with a few GB nic ports, fanless cpu, and some place to stick netbsd etc, worx

a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:58 asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 20:55 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init.

asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd ☟︎

asciilifeform attempts a build of traditional stator trb inside netbsd ( as rotor is unnecessary there, there is no drepper glibc )

asciilifeform discovers that NOTHING AT ALL works under netbsd for ~building~ ( i had 2yrs ago build a 'stator' FOR netbsd, UNDER linux, worked... )

asciilifeform: habemus netbsd-zoolag.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 23:12 asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack.

asciilifeform: in other lulz, i DID get netbsd going on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1694103 box. but sad part is, it is useless, because 1) no usb 2) nic needs config 3) no way to connect kbd... ☝︎

asciilifeform: it dun need replacement per se, was dead disk. i took the downtime as chance to try netbsd on same iron, when new disk came. iirc i explained this upstack. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 21:13 asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netbsd attempt hangs that box at usb chip init.

asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: no bios and must run usb3 seems to disqualify the hardware, not netbsd, though.

asciilifeform: i dun even pin this on the netbsd people, they are the dangling corpse in the relationship with wintel ☟︎

asciilifeform: https://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2013/11/11/msg023663.html << 2013! and before anyone asks, the proposed fix dun work.

asciilifeform: cure on the netbsd forums is 'turn off usb3'. twist : CANNOT be disabled on the box in question

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform took the chance made by the death of ssd in 'zoolag' to attempt netbsd. result : no boot. ( with or without 'no acpi' ) option, hangs at usb init. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and ftr i have nfi whether adacore's thing works on netbsd etc )

phf: or possible supporting all kinds of system specific corner cases (oh netbsd returns NULL here instead of "FOO")

phf: i don't know anything about his netbsd work. i know him exclusively via scheme/lisp world

mircea_popescu: phf can you with not so much effort point out to me what netbsd anything he did ?

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, intel provideds us with a Taylor Campbell anchor for the ~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh symbol, and other than an empty packages maintainer list, choice items such as https://www.slideshare.net/eurobsdcon/devrandom

mircea_popescu: and in lulzy ancient stuff : http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html interviewer (random nobody) contrasts sony using netbsd for the psp and people finding out because they put an unlinked text file on their website (as per license obligation) which was then found whereas they advertised the shit out of running linux for the ps3 in the terms of "WE THE PEOPLE made this be".

asciilifeform: (consider why, e.g., netbsd, has not displaced it, even for our applications)

assbot: GitHub - sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses: libcurses and dependencies taken from netbsd and brought into a portable (at least to musl) shape ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAhUAm )

phf: https://github.com/sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses a port of netbsd curses targeting musl/linux. we don't really uses anything with curses directly, but for cli interface building, or balinux, a codebase to keep in mind.

assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die

asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die ☟︎

asciilifeform: openbsd won't run linux elf, like netbsd ?

asciilifeform: or was it netbsd

asciilifeform: iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer.

ascii_butugychag: i have netbsd running on, what, a dead squirrel in a cardboard box maybe, somewhere.

pete_dushenski: though 15 minutes of reading was all it took to appreciate the enormity of alf's glibcless netbsd.

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:25:36; pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd

pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:03:55; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey! ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:01:59; asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now!

asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! ☟︎

asciilifeform: netbsd is - potentially - v-ifyable.

asciilifeform: i did try netbsd, which has all of the same necessary attributes, BUT lacked essential drivers

asciilifeform: (the one pushed by the netbsd folks, notably, calls out to... openssl!!111!!!)

BingoBoingo: Some lols http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project << "NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing."

assbot: NetBSD/evbarm on Radxa Rock USB編 - BSD小僧の日記 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdEO1g )

assbot: Re: NetBSD has now support for USB on EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVxD1 )

assbot: A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl ☝︎

asciilifeform: TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: netbsd i had running weeks and weeks ago. but it sucks for reasons already described in log

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not quite. netbsd builds

danielpbarron: ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general

danielpbarron: i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well?

midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: M:N threading was a solaris-like, more-performant-than N:N threading model that nate committed to netbsd, but due to its complexity had to be backed out because nobody could maintain it or reliably fix bugs in it.

midnightmagic: like the really unfortunate backout of the M:N threading model on NetBSD. that was a sad time.

BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> NetBSD builds and syncs to head almost trivially now. << But so much memory unsafety

mircea_popescu: preferring instead to write plaintive missives of no value ten years later, like the netbsd derp.

mircea_popescu: lol. imbecile "Foundation", a problem for every netbsd clone since day one.

mircea_popescu: "The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues"

mircea_popescu: "As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position."

BingoBoingo: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade."

decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD