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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: !!up jawbone
deedbot: jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: crv x.
BingoBoingo: !!up Vadim11
deedbot: Vadim11 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up shpx
deedbot: shpx voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Austria's next prime minister to be Sebastian Kurz, shitlord party. Make lulz great again.
mircea_popescu: teh hungarians win huh.
phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
asciilifeform: 0 to naked eye at any rate
asciilifeform: and not whole ro but timis
asciilifeform: i did not tour whole ro, lol
asciilifeform brb
davout: in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
shinohai: Hilarious davout
mod6 waves
lobbes: "The Person-to-Person global market opportunity is $16 Trillion. Take advantage of the Mastercard Settlement Network to transfer funds between banks." << All these banks drinking the "Blockchain is the next The Cloud" scamolade. Can't tell if driven solely by the marketing-idiocy-cycle or if there is also some deliberate subversion greasing the wheels.
lobbes: Probably the latter
lobbes: Either way, a wonderful bundle of wtf davout
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728058 << this is a poly-nomnomial extrapolation (tm) brought to you by alf's tiny samples foundation.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 12:42 phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
mircea_popescu: they're the largest gerbil employer in teh world!
mircea_popescu: An error occurred during a connection to developer.mastercard.com. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). << aww, check out all the offline noninternet websites! do they do things and utilities ?
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: lobbes there's some very deliberate "we in communism also have coca-cola". because there's no way i'll take them in without their crossing under the yoke, and they dun wanna cross under the yoke (chiefly because they broadly understand that there being no further substance to them, they'll dissolve into nothingness, which is obviously true and also why i won't budge).
asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
mircea_popescu: so we're stuck, me dealing with individuals only, they dealing with names only. until this is resolved, ie, probably by force of arms, the lulz will continue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a nice huh.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu just woke up, yelled out "pizdo! hai sa sugi pula!" but nobody came. got up, perambulated about, discovered is all alone.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS WHAT BEING OLD IS LIKE
asciilifeform: and then ate again phood i had nfi was even possible, for less than cost of a.. eh, i’ll skip it nao, saving for blogps0t
asciilifeform: oh incidentally mission, at least preliminarily, accomplished
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used your algo!!
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: i am broadly surprised using my algos does anything!!11!!1!1!
asciilifeform: it’s like philosopher stone
asciilifeform is in a place with proper european ceilings and walls and floors, feels unspeakably nostalgic
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: he's so amusing lol, "and now... I CAN EAT ONCE MOAR!!11"
BingoBoingo: LOL
BingoBoingo thinks trinque and alf would make excellent travel team. Alf: "This not-US is AWESOME" trinque: "BUT TEXAS!"
mircea_popescu: i can see it!
mircea_popescu: maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
BingoBoingo: I thought davout lived on airplane?
mircea_popescu: iirc davout lives on island ; tiny enough if you piss while running you can run around it.
mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:34 asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/24/the-data-driven-racer/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The data-driven racer.
BingoBoingo: And today I wake up to a bunch of emails from different contacts in HK all telling me that for the necessary international connectivity... They need new peering links.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5719.13, vol: 17484.08044233 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5699.9, vol: 69320.26482973 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5728.7, vol: 5755.35153166 | Volume-weighted last average: 5705.32323504
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what were you asking them for ?
BingoBoingo: 20 Gbps, with the caveat of "excellent international connectivity". Provided context of high traffic websites with global audience.
BingoBoingo: That rider on the ask came after the Vietnam inquiries.
mircea_popescu: there's an ambiguity here, gotta distinguish between installed capacity and sustained consumption.
davout actually left tiny mauritian island last sunday, in the process of moving to a much larger, less civilised, island
davout: for the purpose of ending up living on airplane :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728097 << oddly, this was a very different museum. but similar idea, tho i suspect it was made by seekrit communist, was full of abstract algebra textbooks, numbertheory, Kvant, catpic embroideries, nostalgic☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
asciilifeform: also bar
asciilifeform will post picz laters
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The getting them to distinguish is a difficulty as well. Apparently the Mandarin/English language duo is not conducive to Brain finesse as per 2014-ish discussion in pidgins. The Veit Congs were more effective communicators.
BingoBoingo: Of course it could also be a gambit to get the gringo to offer to invest in some undersea cable.
BingoBoingo: Then again the HKIX system is set up to minimize traffic sent through United States in transit
BingoBoingo: Would be a great place to be a Netflix.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728063 >> 'By providing a permissioned platform to our network of developers and partners, our Blockchain platform delivers...'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 13:30 davout: in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
asciilifeform: 'The cost of fraudulent goods is worth $1.4 Trillion globally. Leverage the Mastercard Blockchain and Authorization Network to easily track high value pharmaceuticals, art, luxury goods as they are created, transferred, purchased and re-sold' << lol!,
asciilifeform: !#s color bits
a111: 22 results for "color bits", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=color%20bits
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728093 << interestingly in comparison with being surrounded by nonloathesome people on nonloathesome streets in nonloathesome house for nonloathesome price etc being in moving iron box dun seem appealing nomoar☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:45 mircea_popescu: maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
asciilifeform: but i'd take the box over usa.
mircea_popescu: davout not madagascar ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
mircea_popescu: and lulz at mastercard, pretending as if they've not just one, but a whole fucking NETWORK of developers.
mircea_popescu: whole of usg has like a developer and a half to carry the whole load of endless "agencies", mastercard sees five minutes of developer every full moon.
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- obviously now that bitcoin is here there will be no further "owner can't sell http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727511 because nato doesn't agree with ownership chain" bs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-21 23:26 mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
mircea_popescu: let it be stated i'll buy "stolen" art at any time ; possession is 100% of the law.
shinohai: If davout goes to Madagascar, please troll the locals by walking about in a plague doctor mask.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbvWyrhuDtA
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr french speaking hooker hitting on attached males in public, french spoken ho drama ensues)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728126 << possibly it was in the cellar , which looked dark and offline and i did not go to☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: decent collection of vinyls down there.
asciilifeform: and incidentally i notice mircea_popescu has taken to ye olde austrohungarian name for t
asciilifeform: in german airport, notably, still current ( or was, last time asciilifeform went )
mircea_popescu: would you rather have demeswar ?
asciilifeform: i've noprob with the ro
asciilifeform: even reprogrammed kbd for trooo rotaku orcglyfology
asciilifeform: for srchs etc
mircea_popescu: o ya ? say something
asciilifeform: šșț!111
asciilifeform still prefers alphabets without orcological detritus glued on
mircea_popescu: say îțâșă lol
asciilifeform: hey ya didnt say 'saya word', but 'say something' lel
mircea_popescu: (this is a synthetic romanian word, uses each of the special letters exactly once. it didn't exist naturally, but it SOUNDS like it'd be a thing, like "chioara" (one eyed female) or such ; so was defined by contest cca 2008)
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: incidentally i was in the art gallery and lolled over the old pre-dekirrilization icons
mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as a phonetic meaning encoding, this item proves.
asciilifeform: chomsky (?) had a piece aboht this
asciilifeform: 'bobo and kiki'
mircea_popescu: aha. but he didn't have the good example.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox disasm îțâșă for us poor n00brotakus
asciilifeform: ( upstack, in art gallery, was 'pay extra buck, take photos', so on a lark asciilifeform to pet 'ok pay a buck' . result - in every hall different old broad hisses when sees camera, but wave the ordinary scrap of paper with 'foto' scribbled , and they disperse. i imagine locals are wise to this, bring own scrap of paper when they feel like photoing in gallery... )
BingoBoingo: !~later tell trinque pls to process deedbot withdrawls 4 maek gr8 ISP
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Isn't trinque afk until tomorrow night ?
shinohai: or something liek that
BingoBoingo: AH, I forget
asciilifeform: in other surprises, kidz book shop had volkov ( su d00d who made cult classic 'fanfic' of 'wizard of oz' series ) in ro trans
asciilifeform: brain-melting, i expected 'we loathe all things su' to definitely extend to such a thing, but go figure.
asciilifeform: ( vol1 of subj was 1st deadtree asciilifeform has conscious memory of reading )
asciilifeform: or 1 of, anyway
diana_coman: asciilifeform, neah, next you'll be surprised to see nosov's books or what?
asciilifeform: nah mircea_popescu clued me in re those yrs ago
asciilifeform: assumed he was the 1 speshulexception lol
diana_coman: if you are very curious you might also want to check the publisher: iirc many are in fact published in Chisinau (Moldova) and sold in Ro because cheap compared to local; iirc I saw quite a few books following this route and reflecting it, as it were
asciilifeform: no nosov in the shop btw, subj was among pile of transld-from-engl harryfucker liquishit
asciilifeform: hm interesing, will note.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, no; and fwiw esp re children's books, Russian illustrators were tops
asciilifeform: troo!
asciilifeform: afaik unequaled
diana_coman: I'd subscribe to that, yes; I don't claim I'm an expert though
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728125 <<< nope, uk☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:12 mircea_popescu: davout not madagascar ?
asciilifeform: ew
asciilifeform: why wouldja do that, davout
davout: they have an aeronautic school in oxford i want to attend
davout: becoming a professional airline pilot is on the list, and if I don't do it now I'll soon be too old
asciilifeform: ah hm somehow i thought that davout already flew people for moneys
davout: i'm just a private pilot, when i fly people for money, i'm the one paying
BingoBoingo: And in research at the fiat/Bitcoin interface it appears there is a Brazilian single person limited liability corporation, the Empresa Individual de Responsabilidade Limitada (EIRELI)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
mircea_popescu: and no, ro hates all things russian in the sense of politically. otherwise romanian view is all other things were written by alt-romanians in bad romanian.
mircea_popescu: translation more a work of "this very talented youngster can't grammar properly, but here's a normal transcription" than anything.
mircea_popescu: stalin may well be russian, or whatever, georgiussian. but puskin much like petofi very much romanian.
mircea_popescu: of course this is never actually ~said~ as such, but i suspect for the same reason priest omits to specify manner and size of wife beating implement.
ben_vulpes: and in other trigger warnings http://katu.com/news/local/portland-bars-getting-certified-as-safe-spaces-against-sexual-violence-and-racism
ben_vulpes: i know, let's train them out of agency
ben_vulpes: enshrine even restaurant staff as local delegates of the inca
ben_vulpes: it's assault when creepazons do it, and otherwise it's the normal mating dance. most dudes are creepazons, so to regurgitate a popescuism, "unless the bar is 80% girls and the few guys were invited explicitly", american bars will continue to be full of creepy low value male meat.
mircea_popescu: heh\
ben_vulpes: also this one is too riddled with lulz, just read it http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.html
ben_vulpes: !!up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: why ty.
ben_vulpes: ofc ofc
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point is to get the generation without ( http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ ) look better by comparison.
mircea_popescu: "oh, wanna-be mps over at ycombinator can't compete with mp though they really really want to ? I KNOW!!! we'll make all the bars suck and then suddenly the shit-ass parties ycombinator throws won't look quite as shitty anymore!!1"
mircea_popescu: by the book "we are poor and hopeless but communism rules!!!!" argentinianism.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728188 << re >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728153 , but indun expect it can be explained-compactly, no.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 20:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:27 mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
asciilifeform: * i dun expect
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea what the heuristcs actually are ; self-reported they vary.
asciilifeform: yea dark magic.
mircea_popescu: this'd require a large study and the largeness will implicitly make it fail through publicity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in bonus lulz : hanbot, who is not a native speaker, confronted earlier with it guessed it's some sort of spoke or knob like off a door.
asciilifeform: i still gotta attempt it...
mircea_popescu: i expect there can be peri-linguistic tests of language mastery consisting entirely of synthetic constructions.
asciilifeform: lessee, : îțâșă ~= 'ицыша' ?
mircea_popescu: well... just about. /ɨtsɨʃə/
asciilifeform: asciilifeform read it as-so upstack. and pictured some sort of old crone, in a tram, for some reason
asciilifeform: with walking stick
asciilifeform: failing that, a hernia
mircea_popescu: there;s usually no ɨ explicitly in russian, but if you contrast say твёрдый and мягкий it's evident
mircea_popescu: the first takes ɨ not i.
asciilifeform: vowels dun takr ь/ъ tho
asciilifeform: *take
mircea_popescu: i just meant in the pronounciation of the two words.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: hmm
mircea_popescu: ый = ɨj not ij
asciilifeform: aaaaa
mircea_popescu: ie, close central unrounded not close front unrounded.
asciilifeform: ok
mircea_popescu: tho generally the russian "academics" or w/e pretend there's no close central.
asciilifeform reloads the needed chinanual into his head, it computes
asciilifeform: lol there is too close center, india iirc
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: is this pair actually phonemic in ro tho
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
asciilifeform: ( can haz minimal pair that hinges on it ? )
mircea_popescu: it's one of the major vocalic axes in romanian.
asciilifeform: i.e. 2 diff wrds that differ only there
asciilifeform: other than the pluralization thing
mircea_popescu: i^i ( ɨi ), short form of to be present indicative ; i-i (ii), article-pronoun manuple.
asciilifeform: ( which counts, sure, but i was looking for a serious boobytrap where unwary noob bites the wax tadpole )
asciilifeform: hm theere it was. asciilifeform had nfi how to pronounce i-i
mircea_popescu: language is full of it, it's like a fundamental mechanism of romanian. ii da / ɨi də/ (he gives [it] to him) vs dai-i /dəii/ (give them to him)
asciilifeform: i was doing ii as if in finnish
mircea_popescu: 100% chances of native speaking not having any fucking clue what you're saying
asciilifeform: provenexperimentally!
mircea_popescu: will skip from the first syllable of first involved word as far as possibly the first sentence stop.
asciilifeform: prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
asciilifeform: as i did with eng
asciilifeform: then hindbrain will do the wurk
asciilifeform: tough life, of rotaku, where does one get... ronime ?!
mircea_popescu: blowing this distinction is a major general failure in romanian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform robotzii!!11
asciilifeform: that's master class tho
mircea_popescu: in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class.
mircea_popescu: unlike flying say
diana_coman: asciilifeform, maybe search for "fonoteca" from some radio at least if not otherwise?
mircea_popescu: o yeah. collected works of florian pittis.
asciilifeform: yea
asciilifeform: i also supposed that ro '80s may have included same style of spiffy kidz' records as su, and to hunt for'em
diana_coman: actually since you are in Ro, you can look at bookshops for cds/dvds on the topic ; iirc there were quite a few at some point
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SFHmiV8Bg < there.
asciilifeform: yea already went hunting, so far turning up loathesome anglisms tho
asciilifeform: oh neato ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what you want is an "anticariat", buy old "electrecord" vinyls. he did a series of kids stories, excellent.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFO2F37cvB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9l3NVrgSA << moar in teh same vein.
asciilifeform adds to conveyor, snarfs for eating on airplane
diana_coman: hm, asciilifeform maybe editura casa radio, "fonoteca de aur" such as http://www.edituracasaradio.ro/prod.htm?grp=3&cat=18&prod=925
diana_coman: ahahaha,lordul john!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman if he finds the old greuceanu etc series for a buck a piece and buys a few buckets he'll have perfectly legitimate us house's worth of collectibles.
asciilifeform: is there actually an antiquariat in timis? i sniffed around, found only old furniture peddlers
asciilifeform: was specifically hunting for old regime kidzbookz etc
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, heh, the old vinyls from my childhood are still in a certain attic in ploiesti...
mircea_popescu: vinyls prolly better.
asciilifeform: verily
mircea_popescu: but otherwise sure, what that great k. ushinsky "povestind copiilor" etc
mircea_popescu: diana_coman probably same here, but hey.
diana_coman: hmmm, asciilifeform I bought for my kid a set of cds, again radio romania old transmissions, "noapte buna, copii" ; tbh though those are 5-10 minutes sort of things and at times (now) I find them a tad annoying
mircea_popescu: "in lumea plina de urmari, eu sunt un om pe niste scari. in sus ce e ? in jos, nimic. in jos ce e ? in sus... nimic. vorbesc cu ceilalti care-au fost, si-n sus si-n jos si nu-i dezic. eu insumi spun de locurile pe unde-am fost : nu e nimic."
diana_coman: they are again recordings from 1961-1971
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes!
asciilifeform: lol, diana_coman was this a ro version of 'спокойной ночи, малыши' megahit?!
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I guess so
asciilifeform: or just convergent evolution of title.
diana_coman: they are though stories by ro authors, including cosbuc, creanga, delavrancea
mircea_popescu: nah, ro consisted of theft. you should see the inane lyrics they stuffed on ~most everything making the pop charts in the 70s.
diana_coman: so it might be more copying the title
diana_coman: this batch of cds I have here are bought in 2015, casa radio again; recordings from 1961-1971, readers Silvia Chicos, Octavian Cotescu, Dumitru Furdui, Dinu Ianculescu, Elena Pop, Turodel Popa
mircea_popescu: o right, silvia chicos did a bunch of them.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i recall all of these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ogden nash neh
mircea_popescu: turodel = tudorel, but w/e :D
asciilifeform: or who was it, 'man who wasnt there'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somethinglikethat i guess.
asciilifeform: we had this too, for 20yrs i thought that my nursery rhymes were su original, then found the english.
diana_coman: aha; authors include mihai jemaneanu, octav pancu-iasi, vladimir colin, vasile manuceanu, tudor arghezi, emil garleanu, stefanescu delavrancea, ion creanga, veronica micle, george cosbuc
asciilifeform: hickeryfuckigdickerydock
mircea_popescu: closed borders are a mixed blessing. all the shit has to be "translated", etc.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu,lol! tudorel indeed
mircea_popescu: the important point about romanian kids stories is that they're not even bleak, they're penned by fucking chulhu. they regularily make adult anglo girls cry for the rest of the night.
asciilifeform: aha, marshak, same d00d who translated shakespeare, translated most of the subj
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ooh can haz sample plox
mircea_popescu: the original hc andersen matchbook girl being among the few foreign items marginally qualified to pariticpate.
asciilifeform: i recall fefeleaga but that was not kidz tale neh
mircea_popescu: !~google puiul de ioan alexandru bratescu voinesti
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Puiul | e-povesti.ro: <http://e-povesti.ro/povesti/puiul/>; Puiul de Ioan Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqYYbqhwpQMk>; PUIUL de Ion Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - povesti Copilasul.com ...: <http://www.copilasul.com/povesti-povestiri/PUIUL-de-Ion-Alexandru-Bratescu-Voinesti-BM-COM.php>
diana_coman: asciilifeform, tinerete fara batranete si viata fara de moarte
mircea_popescu: ^ item was in first year of writing. mandatory week spent by 9yos trying to write it out without staining thje paper.
asciilifeform: nifty !
mircea_popescu: !~google "de ce ma stringi in pumnul tau"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Gândăcelul - Poezii Romanesti: <http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/gandacelul.php>; ''Gândăcelul'' - Elena Farago. Voce: Dana Maria - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoaY5DGlukII>; Gândăcelul - poezie de Elena Farago - Povesti pentru copii: <http://www.povesti-pentru-copii.com/poezii-pentru-copii/elena-farago/gandacelul.html>
mircea_popescu: oh and of course... you ever read "fram, ursul polar" ?
mircea_popescu: ppl think oh noes, huxley wrote up the alienation of the final stages of socialist decay ? hurr. try cezar petrescu.
asciilifeform: woah, that one with beetle is powerful juju
asciilifeform: i had similar but it was translation, gianni rodari , had bunch of , e.g.,
mircea_popescu: aha. the "leftover" italians had plenty of good stuff.
mircea_popescu: italo calvino somewhat an echo for the contemporanous reddit ; but otherwise the kingdom of two sicilies excelled, before "italy industrialized" post ww2.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be stated that if your story's going to "happy end" it's not even worth writing ; clearly you understood nothing of nothing.
asciilifeform: 'вчера ты был весел, мальчик из Модены... вчера не сегодня, я видел сегодня, как наших отцов расстреляли в упор...'
asciilifeform pawed it in from head, it dun seem to exist on www
mircea_popescu: this is moar like ww2. whereas parma had regrets in the 1700s as well.
asciilifeform: oh hey found, in anthology, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PCQRG/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: fefeleaga iirc was 5th grade ?
diana_coman: ha, asciilifeform apparently from vinyls so quality as it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-VOU_jP-8&index=8&list=PLhFkMMCbqsCMq38PC3lGv11vmULgkUfH9
asciilifeform: oh neato
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 6th or so
asciilifeform: this should stoke asciilifeform's rotakuistics for a spell.
diana_coman: ahahah, soacra cu trei nurori
mircea_popescu: diana_coman maybe they were doing it later across the mountains :D :D :D
asciilifeform: ( any other rotaku here ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? who's a humlang junkie but not learned ro yet )
mircea_popescu: spanish seems more likely.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, lol! fwiw I kind of trashed "puiul" to start with: stated that mother-bird was idiot as she should have either taken chick on her back or otherwise leave earlier ffs
ben_vulpes still struggling with ru glyphs
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nu pricepi sentimentul romanesc al fiintei.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, nici nu, nu, clar nu
ben_vulpes: one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern there
mircea_popescu: mother hen should have sold injured chick to a pedophile, flew first class with the other one off the dough.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hey try ro, only 5 orcograms
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that would have made her master seller or something; bird-pedo with an "injured idiot" fetish?
mircea_popescu: i guess lol.
asciilifeform: this is idea
asciilifeform: mircea_popescuized fairytales
asciilifeform: would bestsell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im translating http://trilema.com/2011/triumful-crizei/ as we speak.
mircea_popescu: (that was a mp-ization of an 1850s b p hasdeu item originally)
mircea_popescu: o sorry wrong item
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/triumful-talentului-sau-despre-bunatate/ is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as the foreigner speaker is concerned, the pons asinorum is mastering the ɨ/i and ə/a dychotomies. takes failure rate from 100% to maybe 60% just liek that. then the dypthongs/tripthongs/quadriphtongs (yes, romanian has that). contrary to intuition, the special consonants are not difficult.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking language consists of vowel counting for the native speaker.
asciilifeform: where's the quadripthong ? tri- easy, e.g. copiii
mircea_popescu: !~translate en to ro sheep
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: oaie
asciilifeform: aaaaa
asciilifeform: lolyea
mircea_popescu: and copiii is not a triphtong in this sense.
mircea_popescu: beau. creioane. doreau
mircea_popescu: etcetera.
asciilifeform does not find vowel or consonant clusters of any length, difficult , often torments pet with'em
mircea_popescu: (many 4 vowels are actually tripthongs because of syllabic considerations. leoaica, voiau, etc.)
asciilifeform: i tend to turn those iau into яу
mircea_popescu: it's /jau/ more or less.
asciilifeform: i still dunget why you folx ditched cyrillic
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asciilifeform: it worked...
mircea_popescu: i is easily the most fluid vowel in romanian, it really hides about half dozen distinguished forms of which about half are actually notated.
trinque: BingoBoingo: will get ya tomorrow night.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually dun work for romanian ; it's very latin.
asciilifeform: latin with slavic phonemes lol
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: i keep hearing ru everywhere, but on close inspection it aint
asciilifeform: but phonologically sounds muchly so
mircea_popescu: this is because russian isn't as slavic as it used to be.
asciilifeform: lol where is the troo slavic then
mircea_popescu: ivan'd definitely behead people over their shitty speech if he came back to moscow of today.
asciilifeform: south ( bulgaria ? )
asciilifeform: this is mainstream theory btw
mircea_popescu: nah, it all opened and softened. true slavic would be in eg... finland.
mircea_popescu: much to nobody's enchantment.
asciilifeform: finns are ~chukchas and not a iota slav tho
mircea_popescu: yes, which is how they ended up maintaining the phonetic influence of the old russkis.
asciilifeform: i can picture it tho.
mircea_popescu: moldovans are orcs and not as romanian as they'd like, which is why chisinev spoken romanian sounds like embalmed ion creanga.
asciilifeform: i pictured them as ro equiv of ukrs approx
asciilifeform: borderfolx
mircea_popescu: really, they're ro equiv of scotts.
asciilifeform: they were ruthlessly mocked in su
asciilifeform: ( butt of million joakes )
mircea_popescu: well to this day i expect the ancient amusement of "get a moldovan hooker at a party, make her strip and talk" still continues.
mircea_popescu: was good for many merry hours once upon a time.
mircea_popescu: there's even hookers born and raised in bucharest doing the accent for dubious tv shows.
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: somehow it's directly hysterical to the mainstream romanian ear.
asciilifeform: to ru also
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty
asciilifeform: speaking of orcraft, ' besarabia e romania' graffiti everywhere
BingoBoingo working on digesting hundreds of meters of vocal track
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're trying to get into the eu.
asciilifeform: and also the 'don't know history is like children who don't know their parent' thing
asciilifeform: on every flat surface
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the ro govt was very lax with their immigration ; until euros got all pissy about it, so they closed the border. a coupla years later... euros decided everyone must take in random syrians.
asciilifeform: lol they could get into eu if absorbed into ro neh
mircea_popescu: THAT is not on any flat surface, because that's the fucking characteristic of these young protesting shitheads : stick to ineffectuality.
mircea_popescu: uk "extreme right" "fascists" are derping on about... how there shouldn't be... NEW immigrants.
mircea_popescu: not you know, about burning every last paki in the island.
mircea_popescu: because if you do that, there sure as fuck won't be any new ones either.
asciilifeform: aha wat happened to ovens
asciilifeform: ( answ: ovens are where white brits will bake )
mircea_popescu: anyway. moldavia doesn't stand a fucking chance, on its own. it's a sort of argentina, no industry whatsoever, no young people left to slave on the farms, it ain't got jack.
asciilifeform: latvia sans sprat
mircea_popescu: very heavily dependent on russian support to continue existing, and ro sure as fuck doesn't want ANOTHER moldavia on its budget
mircea_popescu: the current moldavia was a sort of baltimore 20 years ago.
asciilifeform: can't picture for what ru would want it (back)
mircea_popescu: now you can appreciate their drama.
asciilifeform: aaaha
asciilifeform: so it IS urkaina
mircea_popescu: the official truth is that "Everyone keeps invading", the sad truth is that nobody really wants it.
mircea_popescu: just the girls, if that.
diana_coman heard they were very, very talented... acrobats! even had huge circus built in USSR times because of that; dunno if that's enough though...
asciilifeform: i met one at uni
asciilifeform: in usa
mircea_popescu: diana_coman hey, i'm not proposing it's uninhabited or anything. good food, largest old collection of wine in europe (meanwhile im sure looted, but i did eat 1800s wine marmalade in their incredibly huge cellar that takes fucking semaphores is so big)
mircea_popescu: and generally it was a great place to buy a coupla girls for a dozen lycra stockings, back in the 90s. by now...
asciilifeform: hey maybe asciilifeform can get visa!!
diana_coman: I had a few colleagues at uni bucharest; re language my observation was that they mixed ro and ru (not words per se but rather languages as a whole) to such degree that result was at worst not-understandable, at best hysterical indeed; sort of saying "ulita" (because of Russian "ulita" obv) to huge boulevard comes to mind but it's not the only thing
asciilifeform: Мож чаво замутим?
asciilifeform: ^ typical
asciilifeform: and gut-bustig
mircea_popescu: diana_coman officially that's slavonic not russian :D
mircea_popescu: (hu also has utca etc)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, lol
mircea_popescu: im serious though, it's likely old slavonic as a source. certainly not russian import
asciilifeform: i keep turning up indigested or quasidigested bits of ru in ro
mircea_popescu: this is how moldovan philology goes 90% of the time, too : they preserved an old thing, generally older than muscovy, rather than import it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, you mean they imported it from old church books or what?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that describes all of the south slavs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're like present day crocodiles : not a sort of fallen man, but a different evolution of the same ancient parent.
diana_coman: hm, maybe
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they preserved something romanian mostly lost
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bulgaria, serbia
mircea_popescu: though ulita is correct romanian to this day
asciilifeform: they froze different chunk of protoslavonic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that's the thing: it IS correct, but ...not the same thing!
asciilifeform: than ru
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not the same usage, yes, which makes their usage intensional, ie stylistically relevant, which it's why it's a joke.
asciilifeform: this is uncontroversial afaik among ru aficionados
diana_coman: exactly
mircea_popescu: but "Strada mare" is not how your great-grandmother would have called ulita mare in the village.
diana_coman: no, ulita MARE
diana_coman: not just "ulita" either
mircea_popescu: well, they heard you're not supposed to say "mare" in the city.
mircea_popescu: fata simply, not fata mare.
diana_coman: there is also ulicioara though :D
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: strada is a germanism neh
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other major item contributing to the humor is that they use the (originally latin, now romanian) mechanism of functional language. so they will take a slavonic root, and derive it in the romanian manner with no shits given
mircea_popescu: which produces some of the best wtf's ever.
diana_coman: well, it's also urbanism; great-grandmother would have said drum if not ulita
asciilifeform: found its way into ru, автострада , i.e. autobahn
mircea_popescu: the robotzi "sa te ghetzalesc pe limba???" item is a tongue in cheek reference of exactly this. the word doesn't exist, but if you're a civilised romanian which means born in transylvania and aware enough of hungarian to know how they say sperm,
mircea_popescu: suddenly it's funny.
asciilifeform: as a kid it vexxed me, i thought it had to do with страдать , suffer
mircea_popescu: it... does :D
asciilifeform: ( perhaps an automatic means of inflicting suffering !)
asciilifeform: and indeed.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : struda sounds like italian privative, sfortunato etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's either work or suffering, truda or struda.
mircea_popescu: and if you've ever had your slavegirls make the dough for strudel....
mircea_popescu: in short : birthday paradox. there's just not that many sounds, letters, words etcetera for everyone in europe to be entirely special.
asciilifeform: voicebox aint madeof rubber
asciilifeform bbl, bed
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