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BingoBoingo: In other news, Austria's next prime minister to be Sebastian Kurz, shitlord party. Make lulz great again.
phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
☟︎ lobbes: "The Person-to-Person global market opportunity is $16 Trillion. Take advantage of the Mastercard Settlement Network to transfer funds between banks." << All these banks drinking the "Blockchain is the next The Cloud" scamolade. Can't tell if driven solely by the marketing-idiocy-cycle or if there is also some deliberate subversion greasing the wheels.
lobbes: Either way, a wonderful bundle of wtf davout
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 12:42 phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
mircea_popescu: An error occurred during a connection to developer.mastercard.com. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). << aww, check out all the offline noninternet websites! do they do things and utilities ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes there's some very deliberate "we in communism also have coca-cola". because there's no way i'll take them in without their crossing under the yoke, and they dun wanna cross under the yoke (chiefly because they broadly understand that there being no further substance to them, they'll dissolve into nothingness, which is obviously true and also why i won't budge).
mircea_popescu: so we're stuck, me dealing with individuals only, they dealing with names only. until this is resolved, ie, probably by force of arms, the lulz will continue.
mircea_popescu just woke up, yelled out "pizdo! hai sa sugi pula!" but nobody came. got up, perambulated about, discovered is all alone.
mircea_popescu: i am broadly surprised using my algos does anything!!11!!1!1!
mircea_popescu: he's so amusing lol, "and now... I CAN EAT ONCE MOAR!!11"
BingoBoingo thinks trinque and alf would make excellent travel team. Alf: "This not-US is AWESOME" trinque: "BUT TEXAS!"
mircea_popescu: iirc davout lives on island ; tiny enough if you piss while running you can run around it.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:34 asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
BingoBoingo: And today I wake up to a bunch of emails from different contacts in HK all telling me that for the necessary international connectivity... They need new peering links.
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BingoBoingo: 20 Gbps, with the caveat of "excellent international connectivity". Provided context of high traffic websites with global audience.
BingoBoingo: That rider on the ask came after the Vietnam inquiries.
mircea_popescu: there's an ambiguity here, gotta distinguish between installed capacity and sustained consumption.
davout actually left tiny mauritian island last sunday, in the process of moving to a much larger, less civilised, island
davout: for the purpose of ending up living on airplane :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The getting them to distinguish is a difficulty as well. Apparently the Mandarin/English language duo is not conducive to Brain finesse as per 2014-ish discussion in pidgins. The Veit Congs were more effective communicators.
BingoBoingo: Of course it could also be a gambit to get the gringo to offer to invest in some undersea cable.
BingoBoingo: Then again the HKIX system is set up to minimize traffic sent through United States in transit
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:45 mircea_popescu: maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and lulz at mastercard, pretending as if they've not just one, but a whole fucking NETWORK of developers.
mircea_popescu: whole of usg has like a developer and a half to carry the whole load of endless "agencies", mastercard sees five minutes of developer every full moon.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-21 23:26 mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
mircea_popescu: let it be stated i'll buy "stolen" art at any time ; possession is 100% of the law.
shinohai: If davout goes to Madagascar, please troll the locals by walking about in a plague doctor mask.
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr french speaking hooker hitting on attached males in public, french spoken ho drama ensues)
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
mircea_popescu: (this is a synthetic romanian word, uses each of the special letters exactly once. it didn't exist naturally, but it SOUNDS like it'd be a thing, like "chioara" (one eyed female) or such ; so was defined by contest cca 2008)
mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as a phonetic meaning encoding, this item proves.
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shinohai: Isn't trinque afk until tomorrow night ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, neah, next you'll be surprised to see nosov's books or what?
diana_coman: if you are very curious you might also want to check the publisher: iirc many are in fact published in Chisinau (Moldova) and sold in Ro because cheap compared to local; iirc I saw quite a few books following this route and reflecting it, as it were
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, no; and fwiw esp re children's books, Russian illustrators were tops
diana_coman: I'd subscribe to that, yes; I don't claim I'm an expert though
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:12 mircea_popescu: davout not madagascar ?
davout: they have an aeronautic school in oxford i want to attend
davout: becoming a professional airline pilot is on the list, and if I don't do it now I'll soon be too old
davout: i'm just a private pilot, when i fly people for money, i'm the one paying
BingoBoingo: And in research at the fiat/Bitcoin interface it appears there is a Brazilian single person limited liability corporation, the Empresa Individual de Responsabilidade Limitada (EIRELI)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and no, ro hates all things russian in the sense of politically. otherwise romanian view is all other things were written by alt-romanians in bad romanian.
mircea_popescu: translation more a work of "this very talented youngster can't grammar properly, but here's a normal transcription" than anything.
mircea_popescu: stalin may well be russian, or whatever, georgiussian. but puskin much like petofi very much romanian.
mircea_popescu: of course this is never actually ~said~ as such, but i suspect for the same reason priest omits to specify manner and size of wife beating implement.
ben_vulpes: i know, let's train them out of agency
ben_vulpes: enshrine even restaurant staff as local delegates of the inca
ben_vulpes: it's assault when creepazons do it, and otherwise it's the normal mating dance. most dudes are creepazons, so to regurgitate a popescuism, "unless the bar is 80% girls and the few guys were invited explicitly", american bars will continue to be full of creepy low value male meat.
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "oh, wanna-be mps over at ycombinator can't compete with mp though they really really want to ? I KNOW!!! we'll make all the bars suck and then suddenly the shit-ass parties ycombinator throws won't look quite as shitty anymore!!1"
mircea_popescu: by the book "we are poor and hopeless but communism rules!!!!" argentinianism.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 20:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:27 mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea what the heuristcs actually are ; self-reported they vary.
mircea_popescu: this'd require a large study and the largeness will implicitly make it fail through publicity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in bonus lulz : hanbot, who is not a native speaker, confronted earlier with it guessed it's some sort of spoke or knob like off a door.
mircea_popescu: i expect there can be peri-linguistic tests of language mastery consisting entirely of synthetic constructions.
mircea_popescu: there;s usually no ɨ explicitly in russian, but if you contrast say твёрдый and мягкий it's evident
mircea_popescu: ie, close central unrounded not close front unrounded.
mircea_popescu: tho generally the russian "academics" or w/e pretend there's no close central.
mircea_popescu: i^i ( ɨi ), short form of to be present indicative ; i-i (ii), article-pronoun manuple.
mircea_popescu: language is full of it, it's like a fundamental mechanism of romanian. ii da / ɨi də/ (he gives [it] to him) vs dai-i /dəii/ (give them to him)
mircea_popescu: 100% chances of native speaking not having any fucking clue what you're saying
☟︎ mircea_popescu: will skip from the first syllable of first involved word as far as possibly the first sentence stop.
mircea_popescu: blowing this distinction is a major general failure in romanian.
mircea_popescu: in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class.
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform, maybe search for "fonoteca" from some radio at least if not otherwise?
diana_coman: actually since you are in Ro, you can look at bookshops for cds/dvds on the topic ; iirc there were quite a few at some point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what you want is an "anticariat", buy old "electrecord" vinyls. he did a series of kids stories, excellent.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman if he finds the old greuceanu etc series for a buck a piece and buys a few buckets he'll have perfectly legitimate us house's worth of collectibles.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, heh, the old vinyls from my childhood are still in a certain attic in ploiesti...
mircea_popescu: but otherwise sure, what that great k. ushinsky "povestind copiilor" etc
diana_coman: hmmm, asciilifeform I bought for my kid a set of cds, again radio romania old transmissions, "noapte buna, copii" ; tbh though those are 5-10 minutes sort of things and at times (now) I find them a tad annoying
mircea_popescu: "in lumea plina de urmari, eu sunt un om pe niste scari. in sus ce e ? in jos, nimic. in jos ce e ? in sus... nimic. vorbesc cu ceilalti care-au fost, si-n sus si-n jos si nu-i dezic. eu insumi spun de locurile pe unde-am fost : nu e nimic."
diana_coman: they are though stories by ro authors, including cosbuc, creanga, delavrancea
mircea_popescu: nah, ro consisted of theft. you should see the inane lyrics they stuffed on ~most everything making the pop charts in the 70s.
diana_coman: this batch of cds I have here are bought in 2015, casa radio again; recordings from 1961-1971, readers Silvia Chicos, Octavian Cotescu, Dumitru Furdui, Dinu Ianculescu, Elena Pop, Turodel Popa
diana_coman: aha; authors include mihai jemaneanu, octav pancu-iasi, vladimir colin, vasile manuceanu, tudor arghezi, emil garleanu, stefanescu delavrancea, ion creanga, veronica micle, george cosbuc
mircea_popescu: closed borders are a mixed blessing. all the shit has to be "translated", etc.
mircea_popescu: the important point about romanian kids stories is that they're not even bleak, they're penned by fucking chulhu. they regularily make adult anglo girls cry for the rest of the night.
mircea_popescu: the original hc andersen matchbook girl being among the few foreign items marginally qualified to pariticpate.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, tinerete fara batranete si viata fara de moarte
mircea_popescu: ^ item was in first year of writing. mandatory week spent by 9yos trying to write it out without staining thje paper.
mircea_popescu: oh and of course... you ever read "fram, ursul polar" ?
mircea_popescu: ppl think oh noes, huxley wrote up the alienation of the final stages of socialist decay ? hurr. try cezar petrescu.
mircea_popescu: aha. the "leftover" italians had plenty of good stuff.
mircea_popescu: italo calvino somewhat an echo for the contemporanous reddit ; but otherwise the kingdom of two sicilies excelled, before "italy industrialized" post ww2.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be stated that if your story's going to "happy end" it's not even worth writing ; clearly you understood nothing of nothing.
mircea_popescu: this is moar like ww2. whereas parma had regrets in the 1700s as well.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman maybe they were doing it later across the mountains :D :D :D
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, lol! fwiw I kind of trashed "puiul" to start with: stated that mother-bird was idiot as she should have either taken chick on her back or otherwise leave earlier ffs
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nu pricepi sentimentul romanesc al fiintei.
ben_vulpes: one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern there
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mother hen should have sold injured chick to a pedophile, flew first class with the other one off the dough.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that would have made her master seller or something; bird-pedo with an "injured idiot" fetish?
mircea_popescu: (that was a mp-ization of an 1850s b p hasdeu item originally)
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as the foreigner speaker is concerned, the pons asinorum is mastering the ɨ/i and ə/a dychotomies. takes failure rate from 100% to maybe 60% just liek that. then the dypthongs/tripthongs/quadriphtongs (yes, romanian has that). contrary to intuition, the special consonants are not difficult.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking language consists of vowel counting for the native speaker.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: oaie
mircea_popescu: (many 4 vowels are actually tripthongs because of syllabic considerations. leoaica, voiau, etc.)
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:34 BingoBoingo: !~later tell trinque pls to process deedbot withdrawls 4 maek gr8 ISP
a111: Logged on 2017-10-21 21:31 trinque: btw, I will be traveling from tomorrow until wed. in-bot wallet ops will be working fine during that time, but I'll be unable to process withdrawals while out. any queued will be sent wed night.
mircea_popescu: i is easily the most fluid vowel in romanian, it really hides about half dozen distinguished forms of which about half are actually notated.
trinque: BingoBoingo: will get ya tomorrow night.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually dun work for romanian ; it's very latin.
mircea_popescu: this is because russian isn't as slavic as it used to be.
mircea_popescu: ivan'd definitely behead people over their shitty speech if he came back to moscow of today.
mircea_popescu: nah, it all opened and softened. true slavic would be in eg... finland.
mircea_popescu: yes, which is how they ended up maintaining the phonetic influence of the old russkis.
mircea_popescu: moldovans are orcs and not as romanian as they'd like, which is why chisinev spoken romanian sounds like embalmed ion creanga.
mircea_popescu: well to this day i expect the ancient amusement of "get a moldovan hooker at a party, make her strip and talk" still continues.
mircea_popescu: there's even hookers born and raised in bucharest doing the accent for dubious tv shows.
mircea_popescu: somehow it's directly hysterical to the mainstream romanian ear.
BingoBoingo working on digesting hundreds of meters of vocal track
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the ro govt was very lax with their immigration ; until euros got all pissy about it, so they closed the border. a coupla years later... euros decided everyone must take in random syrians.
mircea_popescu: THAT is not on any flat surface, because that's the fucking characteristic of these young protesting shitheads : stick to ineffectuality.
mircea_popescu: uk "extreme right" "fascists" are derping on about... how there shouldn't be... NEW immigrants.
mircea_popescu: not you know, about burning every last paki in the island.
mircea_popescu: because if you do that, there sure as fuck won't be any new ones either.
mircea_popescu: anyway. moldavia doesn't stand a fucking chance, on its own. it's a sort of argentina, no industry whatsoever, no young people left to slave on the farms, it ain't got jack.
mircea_popescu: very heavily dependent on russian support to continue existing, and ro sure as fuck doesn't want ANOTHER moldavia on its budget
mircea_popescu: the current moldavia was a sort of baltimore 20 years ago.
mircea_popescu: the official truth is that "Everyone keeps invading", the sad truth is that nobody really wants it.
diana_coman heard they were very, very talented... acrobats! even had huge circus built in USSR times because of that; dunno if that's enough though...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman hey, i'm not proposing it's uninhabited or anything. good food, largest old collection of wine in europe (meanwhile im sure looted, but i did eat 1800s wine marmalade in their incredibly huge cellar that takes fucking semaphores is so big)
mircea_popescu: and generally it was a great place to buy a coupla girls for a dozen lycra stockings, back in the 90s. by now...
diana_coman: I had a few colleagues at uni bucharest; re language my observation was that they mixed ro and ru (not words per se but rather languages as a whole) to such degree that result was at worst not-understandable, at best hysterical indeed; sort of saying "ulita" (because of Russian "ulita" obv) to huge boulevard comes to mind but it's not the only thing
mircea_popescu: im serious though, it's likely old slavonic as a source. certainly not russian import
mircea_popescu: this is how moldovan philology goes 90% of the time, too : they preserved an old thing, generally older than muscovy, rather than import it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, you mean they imported it from old church books or what?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're like present day crocodiles : not a sort of fallen man, but a different evolution of the same ancient parent.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they preserved something romanian mostly lost
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that's the thing: it IS correct, but ...not the same thing!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not the same usage, yes, which makes their usage intensional, ie stylistically relevant, which it's why it's a joke.
mircea_popescu: but "Strada mare" is not how your great-grandmother would have called ulita mare in the village.
mircea_popescu: well, they heard you're not supposed to say "mare" in the city.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other major item contributing to the humor is that they use the (originally latin, now romanian) mechanism of functional language. so they will take a slavonic root, and derive it in the romanian manner with no shits given
diana_coman: well, it's also urbanism; great-grandmother would have said drum if not ulita
mircea_popescu: the robotzi "sa te ghetzalesc pe limba???" item is a tongue in cheek reference of exactly this. the word doesn't exist, but if you're a civilised romanian which means born in transylvania and aware enough of hungarian to know how they say sperm,
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : struda sounds like italian privative, sfortunato etc.
mircea_popescu: and if you've ever had your slavegirls make the dough for strudel....
mircea_popescu: in short : birthday paradox. there's just not that many sounds, letters, words etcetera for everyone in europe to be entirely special.
shinohai: What a lucky number, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Ah, well it's probably time to thik about what you'd make owning the box
shinohai: Well my values are different than most. Ownership of the box alone justifies trb node, which is worthy of a total of 0,16 BTC
shinohai: it would surely run netbsd and mp-wp w/out hiccup
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe have to pull RAID controller for netbsd