⏐︎ 11780
phf: ^- above values don't seem to be correct. i'm getting f76d906ae56e1c2582e66ef3427e0fcd7a5319d69fcfcbec0a7bcf1e02db5de0 wot_users.sql.gz and e431011e2a09122a8695a9a5d326d760f5da1e0fe40da112670d2bf694440488 wot_ratings.sql.gz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34385 @ 0.00074358 = 25.568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00074196 = 18.8087 BTC [-] {3}
phf: that was copy paste fail, but i'm still getting wrong shasums, http://paste.lisp.org/display/155678
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAF7iK )
shinohai: 488c71753df901d9e6b9ac8278cb6206f5ef05eebb9a8e760a8041b26d56bc2a wot_users.sql.gz
shinohai: so yeah, diff
mod6: <+phf> shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? << i said to disregard this patch. reason is, it wipes out output dirs required by the bitcoin makefile. ☟︎
mod6: oh, thought that said "should have"
shinohai: Nah it was me derping and forgetting to mkdir obj after I deleted the other :/
mod6: anyway, yeah, just be aware that it breaks things with the Makefile. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000127.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Remove .gitignore files from Reference Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAGbDe )
mod6: ah, yeah, ok good deal.
shinohai: How's that V coming mod6
mod6: nice, actually.
mod6: working on some cleanup. toposort seems to be doing what it should be, press is testing well so far (manual tests), currently writing the help info etc.
mod6: i perhaps wanna touch on some colorization of the graphviz graph nodes depending on the signatory, we'll see.
asciilifeform: mod6: neato!
mod6: I also am considering adding a "pull" or "sync" method. something to check your local vpatches against whats available at the foundation.
mod6: we'll see.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, it's coming along!
mod6: oh, and I was gonna add a bunch of cucumber tests to exercise the V code to ensure correctness. haven't even started that part yet.
mod6: but shouldn't be too bad.
shinohai will test cukes as necessary ....
mod6: i mean cucumber with perl is better than with java or ruby. might be nice with python, but again, that's not exactly my thing yet.
mod6: so maybe someday, we'll have the gherkin with a python backend.
mod6: walking my way through alf's toposort taught me a few things though.
shinohai: Fuck java
mod6: including that there is no actual way to have an else case for a for loop in perl. lol.
mod6: so i had to kinda make my own magic there. was simple with an added flag + check.
BingoBoingo: !up chatquack
shinohai: I'm willing to bet you need 13 libraries just to echo "hello world" in java.
mod6: well, arguably there are a variety of classes involved there. but you can make that happen with just the standard development kit, no special imports of packages are required.
mod6: but yeah, java sucks.
BingoBoingo: Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil ☟︎
mod6: no arguments there
trinque: unblinking, eyebrow-less evil
mircea_popescu: gas chamber kek
asciilifeform: gasenwagen!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gasenwagen! << Tis the People's Wagen nao
mod6: The National Razor had a better ring to it.
asciilifeform: faaaaaaaahrvergnügen !
mircea_popescu is tempted to start whorehouse, call it people's house./
asciilifeform: prolly already sop in north kr
BingoBoingo: Subminor 21 co lol https://archive.is/gnPW3
assbot: pizzaface18 comments on ELI5 21Inc. (part 2): Why do we panic when mining pools hit 51%, but support 21Inc.'s inevitable 51% IoT-based pool? (Since it's "Not about the mining", it's about microtransactions mined for free by 21Inc51%Pool^TM?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxD97X )
cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/make-it-unaustralian-to-disrespect-women-turnbull-100-million-dv/6800330 <<< "All violence against women begins with disrespecting women," Mr Turnbull told reporters at the launch in Melbourne.
assbot: PM calls for it to become 'un-Australian' to disrespect women: $100 million commitment on domestic violence - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxD83U )
mircea_popescu: i haven't read bitcointalk in like years, but hey, i tend to read stuff people link here. and in that thread, iCEBREAKER dude is fucking breaking 'em.
mircea_popescu: "Sure, go ahead and "challenge gatekeepers" with your TOR blacklists and awesome ~0% of network mining power.
mircea_popescu: To the proposal of "XT?" the community overwhelmingly responded "NACK" (cite: xtnodes.com). So regardless of your fact-free preference-tailored extreme minority opinion, the debate is over, and was won on inherency take-outs + presumption (not to mention solvency and the a priori 'FUCK HEARN AND THE CORE DEV HE RODE IN ON' deontological imperative).
mircea_popescu: "Shackles of the BIP?"
mircea_popescu: Oh right, the 1MB cap is exactly like slavery days. Got it. That's not offensive at all. And neither are your first world armchair claims of resistance against censorship. You and your exorbitantly privileged critique of theymos' moderation wouldn't last a day in China, where real censorship exists.
mircea_popescu: Could you possibly be anymore self-righteous and self-regarding, while simultaneously self-pitying?
mircea_popescu: For very good reasons, XT got #REKT, and all the pretentious undergraduate Marxist pomo jargon in the universe won't help it be anything but a colossal failure."
mircea_popescu: is the guy even here ?
shinohai: I've never seen him, but I found it pretty nifty he mentioned #b-a
mircea_popescu: if anyone still got an account somehow, see if he maybe wants to write for qntra ? i could read more of that
mircea_popescu: but i doubt i'll be doing more tardstalk.
asciilifeform: link?
mircea_popescu: shinohai> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181693.msg12505384#msg12505384 <<< someone mentions bitcoin-assets lawgs
assbot: Bitcoin XT Post Mortem - Group Discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJP0RK )
asciilifeform: ty
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is the guy even here ? << My vague recollection is back in the day he wasn't an MPOE-PR fan. Usagi critic sure but though MPOE was just a differnet evil. Then again I am drunk early and memory flawed.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall him ever running a "business"
BingoBoingo: Neither do I
mircea_popescu: well other than that who the fuck cares.
BingoBoingo: I think him or someone with a similar name tried to sell a big bar-o-silver for LTC
mircea_popescu: "bar of silver" and big somehow don't go together. what's silver, like a pizza an ounce ?
mircea_popescu: how big was this bar, like obama standing ?
BingoBoingo: I've seen the nick brg444 before though. Fuck you brg444 get in assWoT already. Also don't think I didn't see you shilling for 21's Po-Po plug.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly 10 oz or so. Less than a steak but more than the average dick.
mircea_popescu: eh, rubber duckling's more than the average dick.
BingoBoingo: Are you sure, with China ascendant and all...
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ada is melting my brain. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol. btw, anyone remember the rubber duckling incident ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that in a good way ? like, licking it on a cone ?
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: in the bad way.
asciilifeform: like reactor.
shinohai: I wish mpoe-pr was still there, btctalk was worth reading then.
shinohai: She can certainly chew 'em up and spit 'em back out.
asciilifeform wishes there existed some other typesafe, statically typed language usable on a microcontroller
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I wish mpoe-pr was still there, btctalk was worth reading then. << I think most people here value her health too much. When she left the Fillipenis wasn't so bad. Now it is pretty much all aids
BingoBoingo: General question, did http://qntra.net/2015/09/fda-regulatory-overreach-allows-price-gouging/ seem to accurately capture the hypocrisy?
assbot: FDA Regulatory Overreach Allows Price Gouging | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxEX0H )
cazalla: do americans actually pay such prices or is it simply a case where end user pays $8.80 (as we do here) and the goverment/tax payer is fucked for the rest of it?
mircea_popescu: it's wordy and weak.
asciilifeform: cazalla: you get ZIP from usg unless you are part of the blessedly indigent class
mircea_popescu: granted it's a very difficult task because the issue is medicine (which is wordy by default) and the proposed jump somewhat distant.
BingoBoingo: Ah
cazalla: so what benefit is there in raising the price if no end user can actually buy it?
asciilifeform: cazalla: this normally requires - at the minimum - multiple years of tax receipts proving indigence
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well consider before the price spike in question med was going for $13.50 per pill in the US and about $0.035 elsewhere
asciilifeform: cazalla: 'buy' is a flexible concept in usa. if you have 'health insurance', it gets milked out to its theoretical maximum, and then you pay (if you have lines of credit, will max'em out naturally)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Obola care usually pays now
mircea_popescu: cazalla insurance has no option but to pay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is demonstrably and abundantly false
mircea_popescu: understand the evil of a 3 party system. the user has no say. the doctor decides if it's needed or not, doesn't care about the cost.
mircea_popescu: insurance can not overrule doctor.
asciilifeform: often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying
mircea_popescu: as a result, they'll be billed for a few millions, and react to it, gouging insurance prices by a few billion in a half decade.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla insurance has no option but to pay. << WIth the added danger that until Obola care came to all sorts of present evil could be vetoed by actual businesses
asciilifeform: or at the very least leave the diseased chump with $maxint bill
mircea_popescu: the societal cost of that cocky 20yo handpuppet is comparable to what obama costs.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> often enough, 'insurer' (misnomer, these are not insurance co. in the traditional sense) will find a way to avoid paying << This many times "insurer" is or was payment handler for actual business's healthcare claims
asciilifeform: often this process takes the form of 'we will pay, but for amputation rather than treatment'
mircea_popescu: and this is the main problem here : for ~20 years, the president was a sort of priviledged class, allowed to burn pieces off the country.
mircea_popescu: but apparently the situation is degrading and every entry level project manager can do this now.
mircea_popescu: or, to quote an anonymous derp, "are we comfortable with regulation introduced by a guy named bob ?"
BingoBoingo: Recent corporate medicine where available has been move employees to medicaid so state feels the pain instead.
mircea_popescu: which the feds love, let the state be bled dry.
BingoBoingo: By "states" often happy to pay deficit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, no one is eligible for 'medicaid' until whatever earthly goods he had, are properly and documentedly vultured away
asciilifeform: e.g., if you had title to a house, it is to be sold
asciilifeform: all of the 'turkey-buying dollars' are to be vacuumed up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're talking employees here.
mircea_popescu: what goods.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. Only for the retired. Incompletely employed eligible by default nao.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever hear of 'medical bankruptcy' ?
mircea_popescu: the last "normal american" that had any value left in him was ambushed on a highway cca 2003.
BingoBoingo: No income retiree with assets must first bleed much before medicaid.
asciilifeform: it is entirely sop in usa.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. I've done the chapter 7 thing myself about 5 years ago.
mircea_popescu: let's play the "guess the size of today's apache log for trilema".
asciilifeform: 300 MB
BingoBoingo: The obamacare new medicaid rules keep wealth tests for the retired and prevent incomes above X from medicaid, but low earners of nearly any net wealth get new medicaid
BingoBoingo: 173.47 MB
mircea_popescu: more.
shinohai: 500 mb
mircea_popescu: mmmm
mircea_popescu: ore.
BingoBoingo: 1.357 GB
mircea_popescu: still more.
mircea_popescu: it is 2.9 gb for the love of fuck.
BingoBoingo: 9.867 GB
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that 'low earner' per usg is somebody with WHOLE YEAR OF TAX RECEIPT proving such.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Once again varies by state
asciilifeform: as in, if i get sacked i get to starve long before could ever show up as 'low earner'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not for you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no shit!
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, you don't have to actually file.
asciilifeform: no file, no handouts
mircea_popescu: if you've not filed tax returns for past coupla years, you're still eligible
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: we were speaking of usg payola such as 'medicaid'
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: they get you for insurance fraud on top of whatever if you file later and it turns out you had moneys.
asciilifeform: it is strictly, strictly for registered members of the lumpen castes.
asciilifeform: also (elaborated for n00bs) usg's definition of 'has money' is ~strictly~ about income.
asciilifeform: whatever it is you blew it on, e.g., rent, is considered, in effect, discretionary
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the time it is 'for me', it will consist of a complimentary cyanide
BingoBoingo: Prolly, but Michelle Obola will likely be president if there still is one
mircea_popescu: even with the very steam-punk techno-nazis cyanide was not for everyone.
asciilifeform: only for attendees of wagner concert !
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with strychnine
asciilifeform: costly.
mircea_popescu: cheaper than cyanide.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with strychnine << Occasionally results in angry hulk rather than cadaver
mircea_popescu: makes for great cinema!
BingoBoingo: Not really, Hulk movies are the super hero movies that don't make money
asciilifeform: folks outside of usadom rarely know just how much the handouts, 'safety nets', and other socialisms ~strictly~ exclude the non-lumpens.
mircea_popescu: well, people of the nordic system sorta-expect nordic system.
asciilifeform: recall tlp's piece re: how a history of normal employment is more or less a kiss of death in consideration for 'disability' pension
mircea_popescu: i would expect that probably changed.
mircea_popescu: no other explanation for all the third gender survival observed in the fields.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are proper lumpens
asciilifeform: i.e. people who have never shown any symptoms of earning one's keep
asciilifeform: of having any inclination to.
mircea_popescu: this is not so. you're not born obese.
mircea_popescu: gotta work for it.
asciilifeform: obese or whatever other p.t. barnum deformity alone doesn't cut it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i would expect that probably changed. << Only really changed in healthcare and only in a way that ascii must eat shoes for a year to be lumpen
asciilifeform: add several years for 'processing'
mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so how do the fatties survive ? << Two years of leaching off family and then "blackface"
asciilifeform: partly on handouts from blood relations, parasitism of sex partners (yes)
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
asciilifeform: very occasionally (at least for white usians) - meagre payola from state ('food stamps', etc)
mircea_popescu: dude... a girl that weighs what 5 weigh costs what 10 cost.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: costs how ?
asciilifeform: recall that in usa, the most calorific 'food' (i cannot bring myself to call it food) is hands-down the cheapest.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... a girl that weighs what 5 weigh costs what 10 cost. << Ah, if girl can pregnancy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26404 @ 0.00074358 = 19.6335 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads
mircea_popescu introduces by reference the mortuary services piece.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> to the point that living on the dole virtually guarantees candidacy for that freakshow forum BingoBoingo reads << This 600-800 calories to the dollar is not an unrealistic target in USia
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: there is a good reason why the traditional stereotype in usa is that 'poor' goes with 'fat'
BingoBoingo: ^
asciilifeform: and vice-versa
asciilifeform: they are almost inextricably linked.
mircea_popescu: pretty good, i think i barely get 5% of that.
mircea_popescu: srsly, a complete meal out of $3 ? no wonder inflation figures are down.
asciilifeform: if they could get people to run on diesel, they would.
mircea_popescu: better than thr 60s.
asciilifeform: 'complete meal' is not the best description here.
asciilifeform: it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it staves off caloric starvation, but just about everyone who makes a habit of these 'meals' suffers from one or more kinds of malnutrition. << Yhis
punkman: how much pork does $3 buy?
BingoBoingo: In a McDonalds burger most calories come from the bun and its added sugar
BingoBoingo: <punkman> how much pork does $3 buy? << Little
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co.
asciilifeform: most of the calories these folks take in come from corn fructose.
mircea_popescu: looks to me a suspiciously like spraypainted soy
asciilifeform: which is added to literally everything where this is physically possible.
mircea_popescu goes off to verify this strange.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i very much doubt there's any meat in mcdonalds&co. << WHen I was there the actual "beef patty" seemed to be all beef though small. Just what part of beef...
mircea_popescu: The Demise of the High Fructose Corn Syrup Futures Contract: A Case Study
mircea_popescu: omfg it's gone ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you price this shit now ?
asciilifeform: by crown fiat.
BingoBoingo: Now "Taco Bell" has a new flagship item selling for ~1 dollar/400 calories mostly textured soy protein, corn flour, and other corn
mircea_popescu: anywhay, let's say it's ~30 per lb.
mircea_popescu: if memory serves
asciilifeform: the other thing folks outside of usaschwitz sometimes do not know, is that the cost of the materials of the 'food' is only half the story.
asciilifeform: there is also the fact of the 'fast' in 'fast food'
asciilifeform: i.e. the victi^H^H^H^Hchum^H^H^customers are typically folks to whom ~preparing a meal~ is a foreign concept
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck do you price this shit now ? << same way sub saharan africans can buy anti-malarials that before gouging cost $13.50 a pop in USia
asciilifeform: many do not even have access to something normal person would recognize as a kitchen.
mircea_popescu: at the usual 4 calories/gram,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4 * 450 / 30
gribble: 60
mircea_popescu: seems it's 60 callories to the dollar eh ? what 600.
asciilifeform: a $1 bag of chips can easily go over 1000.
punkman: 4 calories per gram of corn syrup?
BingoBoingo: ;;google daredevil burrito nutrition facts
gribble: Taco Bell® | Nutrition Menu - Nutritionix: <http://m.nutritionix.com/taco-bell/menu/premium>; Taco Bell® | Dare Devil Loaded Griller - Fiery Ghost Pepper: <https://www.tacobell.com/food/specialties/Dare-Devil-Loaded-Griller-Fiery-Ghost-Pepper>; Taco Bell® | Dare Devil Loaded Griller - Mild Chipotle: <https://www.tacobell.com/food/specialties/Dare-Devil-Loaded-Griller-Mild- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ('chips' - or 'crisps' to other side of the ocean - are something like equal parts potato to synthetic rubbish.)
mircea_popescu: punkman generally glucides are 4, lipides 7.
punkman: hmm indeed, seemed low in my head
mircea_popescu: im sure there's differences (iirc hfcs is about half fructose half weird), but they are not that significant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there;s something amiss here.
BingoBoingo: https://www.tacobell.com/nutrition/information << 430 calorie item on the $1 menue an this is about medium energy density pauper food
assbot: Menu Calories and Nutrition Information | Taco Bell ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjSFYb )
cazalla: but epic meal time is so cool!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usians also drink liquid hfcs like water.
asciilifeform: in the form of various 'soda'
phf: just went to groceries, spent about $200 for ~maybe~ two weeks worth of food (chicken for just a couple of days and fruits for 3 days since it'll go bad), cashier kept asking questions "wow that's a lot of food! how many people? is this for a month? etc."
asciilifeform: recall the car full of rubbish ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but even in bulk that's 60 calories to the dollar.
mircea_popescu: phf cashier was trying to suck cock for sammiches.
asciilifeform pays similar
phf: mircea_popescu: that was my impression too
BingoBoingo: HFCS wouldn't even be a big issue if it wasn't for the fact that fructuse doesn't respond to insulin
mircea_popescu: "when do you get off" is teh right answer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has prolly never seen an american cashier up close
mircea_popescu has asked usian cashiers out. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you fuck, artists ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform but even in bulk that's 60 calories to the dollar. << Math is either off or FCS is now the expensive component of trash food
cazalla: phf, was she hot?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: organic chemists
cazalla: because sounds like a good opportunity to invite her over for a proper meal
phf: cazalla: no
mircea_popescu: aww.
BingoBoingo: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50 << perhaps solid companion to ship out with ever pogo
assbot: SP50 – Spondoolies-Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjTa4A )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outside of a few odd exceptions which you and i will never meet, mining is of interest strictly to borderline imbeciles
cazalla: BingoBoingo, is that new?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is every bit the archetypical example of a sucker's game.
mircea_popescu: Power Supply10 x 1600 W Form Factor 11 U rack
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I spent a dollar for lunch yesterday at taco bell, I may be such an imbicel
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Seems so
phf: it's a coop with whole foods prices, they have a truly weird selection of cashiers, working there for a discount. i'd say trader joes has prettiest cashiers here, but that's a far away truck just to talk to some hipster girls. might as well go to a bar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you wanted irl chips with tolerances ? +-10%!
phf: *track
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Power Supply 10 x 1600 W Form Factor 11 U rack << reasonably even out power savings from pogo
mike_c: mining is a good way to learn though
mike_c: get your hands dirty a bit
asciilifeform: a (former) colleague of mine bought something quite like this, at the time i had access to a cabinet with 'free' mains current, let him plug it in. it blew out the breakers.
mircea_popescu: i also don't share asciilifeform's lowview of mining.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as strategic mining.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Also with saner p2pool could provide decent safety net
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did say 'exceptions'
mircea_popescu: ;;gentime 110000000
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 110000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 3 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 13 seconds
asciilifeform: some folks just want clean-burning coin without transacting in usd with anyone.
asciilifeform: and don't much care what it fixed-costs.
mircea_popescu: the case for owning one : you can in general expect your own tx to confirm in a month, n omatter what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only if you regularly add units to keep up with diff
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: only if you regularly add units to keep up with diff << Then get four. You'll get at least 1 conf a month for a year
asciilifeform: thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies
asciilifeform: you have to 'get lucky every day', he - 'only has to get lucky once'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> thing is, 'strategic' mining in the sense of 'protect' pretty much guaranteed to fail - because 'customs inspector's theorem' applies << Host in Sinaloa datacenter
asciilifeform: enemy only needs to supply a temporary burst to kill you.
asciilifeform: it is not enough to 'have miner', you need to control a sizable ~fraction of planetary hash~
BingoBoingo: <mike_c> BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin << Altcoin had to die for our sins of believing in a monetized testnet for a few months
asciilifeform: to count as 'strategic'
mike_c: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00074649 = 26.1645 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: qntra gets all the socialed medials https://archive.is/X01BB
assbot: Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjUvID )
punkman: http://lolmythesis.com/post/129657314480/watching-disney-movies-is-less-fun-when-you-pay
assbot: lol my thesis: Watching Disney movies is less fun when you pay... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjV6tP )
mircea_popescu: wasn;t this the argument against prostitution since forever ?
mircea_popescu: somehow the same derps don't figure paying detracts from the quality of medical practice.
mircea_popescu: "i wouldn't dare take a free abortion, but who knwos what evil paid fuck-professionals may do!!"
mircea_popescu: best cognitive dissonance ever.
BingoBoingo: FUCKING FAT ASS IMGUR https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/536627
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjVKHH )
punkman: "looks like the ad network I was using isn't going to pay me for the last 2 months of ads I placed on my site. Which kind of sucks."
BingoBoingo: !up tvmcsoqenc
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284406 << yeh some of the girls at the stores I frequent are pretty cute ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 02:03:33; *: mircea_popescu has asked usian cashiers out.
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/S0vKRDP.jpg << Lumpen cuisine
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjWNaF )
punkman: "My gf don't know this but everytime we fuck I put $1 in a jar & thats how much imma spend on her for her bday. So far she gettin a mcchicken"
BingoBoingo: lkol
punkman: "mayo soup" ehrmagerd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12315 @ 0.00074175 = 9.1347 BTC [-]
phf: eerily reminiscent of prison "spread"
phf: ;;google prison spread
gribble: How to Cook Prison Spread - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sv4nb5VbAY>; 10 Revolting Foods That People Have Made in Prison - io9: <http://io9.com/5930053/10-revolting-foods-that-people-have-made-in-prison>; Jail House Recipes: <http://wkbca.xankd.servertrust.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/PRISON_RECIPES.pdf>
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284231 << I had similar feelings but I assumed this was because I lacked experience in low-level language ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:06:52; asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ada is melting my brain.
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCfHn7UWAAAuG4j.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjXEIo )
punkman: "anyone old enough to remember the PopUp wars knows this ad crap won't stop until it breaks the web, and gets blocked by browsers." << except you can still get popups, because fuck browsers
BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/news/local/dozens-support-confederate-flag-at-school-meeting/article_4d05f31b-5052-5a68-bf58-de4fa98a889b.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjY01T )
BingoBoingo: punkman: Then change your browser
BingoBoingo: And still moar from the white trash beat http://thesouthern.com/news/local/pinckneyville-police-arrest-member-of-country-music-street-group/article_462eabff-2789-5649-8cb5-6efaf1b96631.html
BingoBoingo: Also Obolacation http://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu/siu-president-says-school-reshaping-no-new-programs/article_e06dd0ad-13f5-57eb-be22-40ba585e7945.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYm8w )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPng7LnU8AE6rZt.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYp4n )
BingoBoingo: "Dunn did highlight positive news, including a growing and diverse student enrollment."
BingoBoingo: !up brg444
BingoBoingo: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892378/
assbot: Skin Integrity in Critically Ill Obese Patients ... ( http://bit.ly/1WjYsgo )
brg444: !register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
BingoBoingo: "Incontinence of bowel and bladder in obese patients is a common cause of perineal dermatitis which can increase tissue friability and place patients at higher risk for skin breakdown."
BingoBoingo: brg444 Where does your public key sleep?
brg444: looks to be alive there? http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
assbot: Search results for '0x4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22' ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )
BingoBoingo: Well make it spread
cazalla: BingoBoingo, quit fat shaming me into losing the dad-bod
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Mebbe if you had more dangerous wildlife than abbos and spiders you'd change your mind on your own
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Also it isn't really dad-bod if you are actually a dad
mircea_popescu: !up brg444
phf: punkman: clearly russia, and from what i hear it's still a common practice. taught me to always carefully observe the weighing. i also have a 100g weight that i sometimes bring with me, in istanbul at spice bazaar for example i ran into much disagreement about standards and measures. a less conspicuous trick is to weigh a litre of milk, or somesuch
mircea_popescu: brg444 did you just upload it ?
brg444: yea. looking into that now but tbf this is sorta new to me. using this stupid gui and it doesn't seem to want to connect to pgp.mit.edu for some obscure reason.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, sorta sad in a way but there aren't many abos left, all the drunks and petrol sniffers are at best half-caste
brg444: attempting to submit from there gives me "error handling request. exception raised"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: WHat do you think happened to the Aztec, their Navajo slaves, and the liberal Cherokee?
brg444: *from there https://pgp.mit.edu/
assbot: MIT PGP Key Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuGUt )
BingoBoingo: brg444: WHat ciphers did you use to generate the public key?
punkman: would make sense for assbot to grab dpasted keys like deedbot did
brg444: followed pete's guide here: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ so 4096 RSA it is I believe
assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi )
BingoBoingo: brg444: generated with what verison of GPG on what OS?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> would make sense for assbot to grab dpasted keys like deedbot did << word. the shitserver dependency is turning out to be a pain. for kakobrekla konsideration.
asciilifeform: weren't there gonna be a skstron for #b-a ?
asciilifeform: as in, separate thing
BingoBoingo: ^ mats
punkman: has anyone managed to register on the first try?
mircea_popescu: there was, at some point.
mircea_popescu: punkman yes. people generally do (see recently psomething fellow)
asciilifeform: or is this now 37th on the list of things-asciilifeform-has-to-write-in-ada
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform making a key server for a basically defunct implementation of pgp not really much of a priority
mircea_popescu: first, we rewritre gpg.
mircea_popescu: properl;y, this time.
asciilifeform: what do you think i've been doing.
mircea_popescu: fucking organic chemistrists ?
mircea_popescu: how should i know!
brg444: GPG 1.2 on OSX 10.7.5
punkman: asciilifeform: made some conflicting patches earlier and got the deconflict thing working
asciilifeform: punkman: neato
asciilifeform: btw, for anyone else contemplating pgp, the retardation really flows from the protocol
BingoBoingo: <brg444> GPG 1.2 on OSX 10.7.5 << The correct answer to this question was "Fuck you for asking" but since you raised the issue something in the 1.4 series may work better. GPG 2 is right out of the game.
asciilifeform: it is possible in principle to write a provably-correct implementation of a subset of rfc4880, but the result is still horrendously ugly.
brg444: let's see here
brg444: !register 0x4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
brg444: !register 4a0363951afa090b6c221787e2f23db84a63ec22
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 4A63EC22 / "Alexandre Bergeron <bergealex4@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00690000 BTC on 'No' - BTC to reach $1000 or more in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1169/btc-to-reach-1000-or-more-in-2015/#b21
brg444: well there we go
BingoBoingo: !rate brg444 1 new, not a lost cause yet
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/09ca5a90c8a1ffba
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:b16f55b4ab1b8146f179ef6828c942cb7a6134f411dddef478a4d29ce5cb2b2d
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: new, not a lost cause yet
BingoBoingo: brg444: You can !up yourself nao in assbot pm
brg444: great, that was long time due. I do think I was closing in on the mandatory 6 months reading off the logs
brg444: thx
mircea_popescu: more power to ya.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's rare then. Most people now seem to register and hopefully later fuck off to 6 months of lawgs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not wholly convinced that 'key server' is a right thing at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the protocol has to be restated and /me does not feel equal to the task
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, for instance, that there is nothing whatsoever preventing a galactic spam flood
mircea_popescu: immutable.
asciilifeform: key set really ought to be a thing synced once a year at mircea_popescuconf
mircea_popescu: if so inclined, i could just set a box too old to be bitcoin node to generate and register gpg sigs
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: trivial.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they got 8gb blocks.
asciilifeform: 1liner.
brg444: BingoBoingo: about 21inc. can't say I am not guilty of charge :/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is an atrocity.
asciilifeform: one modulus, one key, as the gods intended.
asciilifeform: the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes).
asciilifeform: ought to be able to include any subset of a pubmod with a signature or ciphertext - up to all of it, if i want.
brg444: mircea_popescu: funny you mention iCEBREAKER, was just having a chat with him the other day as he was inquiring about b-a thinking I was already in seeing as regularly quote content from trilema/logs. will let him know about your "interest".
asciilifeform: the third and all-encompassing atrocity of rfc2440/4880 is the idiot cruft pertaining to 'new' vs 'old' packet formats, the magical constants specifying largely antiquated block ciphers and hash algos, etc.
asciilifeform: more or less the whole document.
asciilifeform: another annoyance is the inclusion of zlib. ☟︎
asciilifeform: yes, there is a 'do i want zlib' flag in pubkey, but EVERYONE here has it set.
asciilifeform: traditional whizzzdum is that it somehow improves seek00rity by making the plaintext less structured.
asciilifeform: (except that it very clearly adds structure of another kind)
asciilifeform: aaand is an attack vector of its own.
asciilifeform: (not only in the added complexity of a zlib decoder, but in the fact that a message's actual length remains unknown until your start shitting it out)
asciilifeform: i could go on. and on.
asciilifeform: but i won't, because the rfc is so retarded that it will kill your brain cells just by being told of it.
asciilifeform: pgp is just another one of those ancient workhorses that begs for the glue factory, but there is NO ALTERNATIVE to it
asciilifeform: just as there is no alternative to, e.g., ada
asciilifeform: (will somebody PLEASE wake me up if they learn of an alternative to ada?!!!)
asciilifeform: pretty please ?
punkman: you'll be sleeping ad libitum before that happens
BingoBoingo: !up brg444
asciilifeform: punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
asciilifeform: everybody 'sleeps ad libitum' eventually.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: daww you should have let him !up himself
punkman: asciilifeform: exactly :P
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Not everyone handles it the first time
BingoBoingo: brg444: Seriously !up yourself
brg444: just did, do I get voiced down automatically after a certain time?
punkman: you gotta !v after !up
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b3
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus.
asciilifeform: these are just short of bursting at the seams.
BingoBoingo: !down brg444
asciilifeform: welcome brg444
brg444: thanks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/NotXT: << lulzy. one of yours ?
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVb38B )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mebbe...
brg444: speaking of lulzy matters: https://np.reddit.com/r/vzla/comments/3m1crr/whats_going_on_in_venezuela_economically_outsider/cvb6vd5?context=3
assbot: ciberaj comments on Whats going on in Venezuela (Economically)? Outsider asking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVc5Bv )
brg444: "The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number."
BingoBoingo: OH SHIT https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.02 B (95%) on Yes, 0.58 B (5%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`980 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )
mike_c: yeah.. that's a good one
BingoBoingo: Already getting more bettors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00074259 = 34.0106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29085 @ 0.00075161 = 21.8606 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00075577 = 10.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44671 @ 0.00075463 = 33.7101 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8579 @ 0.00075168 = 6.4487 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14061 @ 0.00074259 = 10.4416 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field.
mircea_popescu: i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker.
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/i1u3sqq.gif hashtag selfie
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ixO1am )
mircea_popescu: at first i thought she's tied up to that thing
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there.
mircea_popescu: venezuela is one step ahead of argentina on the path of being the future of the united states.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00075305 = 21.5372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, sure, if anyone's looking to buy she-meat, in this side of the world, fine place to do it.
cazalla: i imagine that is like buying a car mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: more like buying a mule.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEI5LoE8AA
assbot: So You Want to Buy a Mule? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Btn1 )
mircea_popescu: (mostly quoted for the part where the guy says you can tell the animal's disposition by its coat color.)
cazalla: white ones are higher maintenance too
mircea_popescu: eh, higher. what's it, 6% ?
mircea_popescu: if you're that squeezed for margin you don't belong there anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00074187 = 30.0086 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 , i'm seeing just about 1.2g memory footprint. how about yours ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't be many here who would be in the position to buy em anyway
mircea_popescu: kinda need an arizona or i guess australia ranch for that.
mircea_popescu: mule's kinda no good outside of scrub brush.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00075305 = 2.2968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br
assbot: Why is cpp-ethereum now calling their projects webthree? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQiUY )
mircea_popescu: ette Fiddler by betting on web 2.0 so why would any sane team with a good strategist not jump right into that toxic sludge pool!
mircea_popescu: and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQrb2 )
mircea_popescu: i hope whoever's in charge of this got paid for being this fucking stupid, it just wouldn't do any other way.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which.
mircea_popescu: im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front.
mircea_popescu: "an army of the people!!11"
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/4IlW6E2.jpg 80085
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRgke )
mircea_popescu: 80085 wuts ?
punkman: boobs
mircea_popescu: i only see two!
mircea_popescu: anyway, who's the girl ? dja know 'er ?
punkman: hmm google says "Velma chan"
mircea_popescu: lol bitpay's "free forever" nonsense lasted almost about a whole year.
mircea_popescu: and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate.
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K )
mircea_popescu: ;;isup archive.is
gribble: archive.is is up
mircea_popescu: i dun think so. all it got up is a linein, img src="http://www.henley-putnam.edu/Portals/_default/Skins/henley/images/loading.gif"
mircea_popescu: "Accredited Online University, Counter Terrorism Training"
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs.
punkman: works here
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm special.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2A0ZWZ2 << is that their ga code punkman ?
assbot: dpaste: 2A0ZWZ2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNtTli )
punkman: ah on the last bit.ly link, yeah I get that too
punkman: does it even archive direct image links?
mircea_popescu: i get that on the root.
punkman: I get the usual page on archive.is root, weird
mircea_popescu: are you seeing or a diff server ?
punkman: if I ping it
mircea_popescu: nope al;so dun work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00074169 = 39.3096 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: apparently these are popping up in australia, remote area no less (Eurora, VIC - which is like 3 hours from Melbourne) yet i've never even seen on the road http://i.imgur.com/F89Wi8C.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNwbAL )
cazalla: never seen one as in never seen a tesla irl
mircea_popescu: you kinda have to have the powerstations before you can really sell the cars i think
cazalla: apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank
davout: bonjour messieurs dames
davout: australia sounds like one of the worst fits for electric cars
mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot. ☟︎
davout: one of the first things I was told when arriving in melbourne was
davout: "don't like the weather? wait half an hour"
mircea_popescu: "if she's not blonde she prolly has aids" ?
mircea_popescu: oh.
davout: kek
cazalla: davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying
cazalla: voted world's most livable city but really, the food is shit, the people are shit, the architexture is shit, the weather is shit, the soil is shit, the housing is shit stacked upon shit, the traffic is even shittier, it's shit
cazalla: obviously, nfi who votes for such rigged polls in the first place
davout: cazalla: you guys do have good weed
davout: though :D
cazalla: well i wouldn't know anything of the sort but last i heard, it was all asians growing hydro
davout: i agree on the food though
cazalla: although you can always go to nimbim for mardigrass, lovely girls and all that http://tonylpartridge.com/2015/nimbin-mardigrass-2015/
assbot: Nimbin MardiGrass 2015 | Tony Partridge Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNxH65 )
davout: i stayed with an audtralian roommate, he was amazed that i actually cooked
davout: as in anything different than "open package, shove in mouth"
deedbot-: [Trilema] Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. - http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/
davout: deedbot- only does trilema.
davout: ?
punkman: davout, it does all the feeds now
davout: punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque
mircea_popescu: cazalla all those chicks are dressed ?
mircea_popescu: provided they're not actually skinny guys...
cazalla: seen better pics before, just can't remember where
cazalla: and fucking google thinks i'm searching for mardi gras
cazalla: here ya go lol http://hermetic.blog.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/00/01/39/97/1399780/files/nimbin-mardi-grass/ganga-faerie-elders.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvSEiy )
davout: can't unsee
cazalla: courtesy of google
mircea_popescu: seems australian alright.
mircea_popescu: who else paints their snatch dogvomit green
davout: i'd be tempted to ask "who paints their snatch in the first place"
mircea_popescu: well... they shave it, they butter it... might as well.
davout: butter ?
mircea_popescu: well yeah ?
mircea_popescu: fanny doesn't shea butter ?
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Préparation_du_beurre_de_Karité_-_Mali.jpeg
assbot: 501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT08V )
davout: heh, i was mentally picturing this -> http://www.avosassiettes.fr/img/le_beurre_aux_cristaux_de_sel_de_guerande_paysan_breton_pack.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT1JV )
mircea_popescu: anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1
davout: sounds like a plan
cazalla: anyone seen black mass yet?
mircea_popescu: nope, what is it ?
cazalla: johnny depp as whitey bulger
cazalla: released last week, so i was tempted to actually go to the cinema, but of course.. not released in australia until next month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27962 @ 0.00074283 = 20.771 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: australia is where they try out the nutty coercion schemes, not the entertainment.
cazalla: i hear the same things from asciilifeform
cazalla: seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult
mircea_popescu: i'm mostly following his theory :p
shinohai: Holy shit punkman, nice assets to wake up to >>> 03:52 +punkman
shinohai: http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K )
shinohai: http://freakoutnation.com/2015/09/oath-keepers-member-were-sending-armed-militia-to-arrest-lawmakers-and-obama-for-treason/
assbot: Oath Keepers Member: We’re Sending Armed Militia To Arrest Lawmakers And Obama ‘For Treason’ | FreakOutNation ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPyXfJ )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b7
davout: nice /r/buttcoin find https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3m0y75/daily_discussion_wednesday_september_23_2015/cvbzto8
assbot: zanetackett comments on [Daily Discussion] Wednesday, September 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Wm1k )
davout: bitfinex's "updated calculation is more accurate thus removing the large variance in accuracy"
davout: one doesn't just make that up
mircea_popescu: nb.
mircea_popescu: lol buttfinex still pretending ?
davout: it does have entertainment value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262950 @ 0.00075313 = 198.0355 BTC [+] {10}
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284191 <-- in related news "happy birthday" became officially not owned by evil. Not that any gcj user cares about that kind of "official" anyway. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 00:45:54; BingoBoingo: Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284308 <-- not for me either. Keep AMA and FDA "medicine" far away from me please. I'll do whatever it takes to prove I'm not eligible. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:32:26; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284333 <-- There is always an "enabler". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 01:41:43; mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ?
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284439 <-- I had a dream y'all released a stack of 10 fresh coins ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 02:09:11; mike_c: BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69852 @ 0.00074266 = 51.8763 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: what, like pigeons from the hagia sofia ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31403 @ 0.00073981 = 23.2323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00073981 = 52.6005 BTC [-]
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/7jN9ige.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6cMz )
punkman: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1443090849
assbot: Junta Readies ‘Great Firewall of Thailand’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6mDJ )
punkman: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/middleeast/stampede-hajj-pilgrimage/
assbot: Stampede kills hundreds at Hajj pilgrimage near Mecca - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6AKZ )
punkman: cranes fall, fire, now stampede.
punkman: though the stampede is kinda traditional
phf: locust next
punkman: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2430080/ieee-2014-counterfeit-integrated-circuits-a.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD79EC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00073975 = 58.4033 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61023 @ 0.00073855 = 45.0685 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg <<< hue, golden
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy )
shinohai: "The best thing since the moth I ate yesterday"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00074018 = 8.4381 BTC [+]
hdbuck: all about the title: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/21-bitcoin-computer-centralize-bitcoin/
assbot: Could The 21 Bitcoin Computer Centralize Bitcoin? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1je2DMv )
hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho. ☟︎
hdbuck: http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/vaporware07.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1je3UTT )
shinohai: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00073622 = 58.9712 BTC [-] {4}
hdbuck: ;;later tell brg444 glad you make it here :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76050 @ 0.00074069 = 56.3295 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13543 @ 0.0007407 = 10.0313 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die ☝︎☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:24:52; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.
asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever ☟︎
asciilifeform: and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284619 << i have yet to encounter an actual person who used this feature. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:18; mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284688 << nope. run the numbers. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.
asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.) ☟︎
jurov: tesla should make much more than 200km at once on highway.. but i can imagine airconditioning on full blast is needed, too
asciilifeform: don't forget the stereo.
asciilifeform: (a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...)
jurov: lol 200w stereo? with vacuum tubes?
shinohai solves energy issues by using a steam turbine powered by tears of redditards forced to read #bitcoin-assets logs ....
davout: shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield
jurov: or farts
shinohai: hue
davout: thank you jurov
davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/ <<< comments welcome
assbot: Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh7QF )
shinohai: Nice davout :D
jurov: is the RFC confidentially public?
jurov: (see first page)
jurov: reminded me of the MP license :D
jurov: speaking of him, surely you have cleartext version... << davout
davout: jurov: of the RFC? no
davout: the idea is mainly to document stuff that's pretty obvious in order for the coinbase et al. derps to be unable to later claim invenshuns
davout: and we had it in a drawer anyway, so might as well publish
shinohai: I loathe coinbase so 3 cheers to davout
jurov: so you don't actually implement it?
davout: jurov: of course the idea is to actually implement it
davout: but to do that you need another liquidity source on the other end of the tunnel
jurov: well then.. why explicitly rely on HTTP(S)?
jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style ☟︎
shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads ☟︎
assbot: Harvard employee accused of spending $80k of the university's money to buy Legos and iPads - infoBlizzard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxia2V )
davout: that also implements it, so publishing the RFC also communicates that serious liquidity sources are welcome to knock on our door
davout: jurov: where does it say https?
davout: the oauth thing?
jurov: it says "POST method" which is HTTP-only thing
jurov: and yes, with GPG the oauth is unnecessary
davout: ah yeah, http APIs are assumed
davout: you're probably right it's not really necessary
davout: if you leave comments on the blog post i'll compile them all in the next version
davout: jurov: ^
hdbuck: Oo http://taler.net/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxiyi8 )
davout: hdbuck: yeah, i saw this one on /r/buttcoin
davout: it's not very new, and obviously completely braindamaged
hdbuck: davout french made ;)
davout: yep
davout: http://grothoff.org/christian/ > niggers.txt
assbot: Christian Grothoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxje78 )
davout: and that'll be it
phf: hdbuck: there's a taler thread in the logs, with predictable conclusions
hdbuck: phf thx, predictable conclusions indeed
trinque: davout | punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque << http://deedbot.org/deed-375472-1.txt ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxjJhk )
davout: trinque: don't see it in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxk6Zp )
davout: the deedbotting was me manually feeding it here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280994, i'm referring to blog feed not being reflected, am i missing something ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 13:52:40; davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0007407 = 4.0368 BTC [+]
trinque: davout: oh gimmeh teh rss
davout: it used to werk!1
trinque: what a world
trinque looks at log
trinque: deedbot-: feeds
deedbot-: Feeds:
deedbot-: 1. http://trilema.com/feed/rss/
deedbot-: 2. http://qntra.net/feed/
deedbot-: 3. http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss
deedbot-: 4. http://nosuchlabs.com/rss
deedbot-: 5. https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/
trinque: davout: you sure that wasn't scoopbot before?
jurov: um.. looks like explo.yt fell out, too?
jurov: dunno if it was scoopbot
davout: trinque: no, i'm not sure, imma fish the logs to double check
trinque: gimmeh teh rssessss!
trinque: I didn't get the list from scoopy
jurov: http://explo.yt/feed/rss2
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
trinque: deedbot-: feed add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
davout: trinque: you're right, deedbot- never had it
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2
assbot: serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )
deedbot-: http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 added.
trinque: barf of 5 posts incoming
davout: deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/
assbot: fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/
assbot: fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )
deedbot-: http://fr.anco.is/feed/ added.
davout: nice-u
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF March 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF April 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/05/02/F.MPIF-April-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF July 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/08/02/F.MPIF-July-2015-trading-statement
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR June 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-june-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR July 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR August 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-august-16th-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR September 21st statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-september-21st-statement/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] Socialisme ordinaire - http://fr.anco.is/2015/socialisme-ordinaire/
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC - http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10601 @ 0.00073518 = 7.7936 BTC [-]
jurov: it should ignore old entries...
trinque: I'm not spending the amount of time necessary farting around with an rss module
trinque: it does that once, and now you know what it missed :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37999 @ 0.00073436 = 27.9049 BTC [-] {3}
davout: jurov: tyvm for the comments
mike_c: trinque: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ it's not dead, i swear
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
mike_c: deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
mike_c: what, it doesn't check for l1 and allow? ;)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284828 << 'quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' (TM) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:28; shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads
ascii_field: ^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world
jurov: ascii_field: you have seen how much they ask for the original?
ascii_field: not in recent years
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/
assbot: Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )
deedbot-: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ added.
jurov: http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Duplo-My-First-Set/dp/B000SI9Y6A/ref=sr_1_3?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1443112199&sr=1-3&keywords=first+lego+set
assbot: Amazon.com: LEGO Duplo My First Set (5416): Toys & Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxnIKZ )
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Why is Bitcoin Crashing?! - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/why-is-bitcoin-crashing/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Hot Slanted Bets - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/hot-slanted-bets/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Get Your Bitcoin News Widget - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
deedbot-: [Btc Alpha Blog] Explore the Web of Trust - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/
jurov: ^ just a gateway drug of 33 pcs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00073317 = 48.1326 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: trinque: grazie
trinque: yw
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.37074690 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5791 @ 0.00073829 = 4.2754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59271 @ 0.00073316 = 43.4551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00073274 = 24.1284 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: http://dslinux.org/ ☟︎
assbot: DSLinux - Linux for the Nintendo DS ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeKnTl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00073829 = 36.2131 BTC [+]
punkman: lel https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-contributor/
assbot: Give Google Contributor a try ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeLiDk )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0007325 = 25.784 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284937 << masochism ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 18:01:09; shinohai: http://dslinux.org/
ascii_field: wtf is the point
trinque: maybe easier to port emulators?
ascii_field: why would you port to ~that~
shinohai: not sure realy, for a playthng or hobby i guess
ascii_field: whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox'
trinque: haha
shinohai: Kinda like pogo
shinohai: height 324217
ascii_field: mno
ascii_field: pogo is something quite like an actual computer
ascii_field: and is cheap
ascii_field: the nintendo is the exact opposite.
shinohai: but i can't do anything with it much yet :/
shinohai: Makes a nice irc server :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00073227 = 71.9455 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Has anyone here read this guy? http://askepticalhuman.blogspot.com/2015/09/can-robots-be-conscious-if-so-how-could.html
assbot: A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso )
gernika: is the foundation client known to be slower syncing than the phoundation client?
gernika: or the opposite?
punkman: gernika: it does throw away blocks arriving out of order
gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. ☟︎
jurov: gernika how much ram did you have?
BingoBoingo: gernika: The Phundnation client does something now called "headers first" which doesn't really verify much of anything
gernika: jurov: This account is allocated 2gb - seems to be using about 1.4GB
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat
assbot: Putin opens Moscow's largest mosque, warns against extremists| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyr7uf )
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/us-mideast-crisis-russia-airstrikes-idUSKCN0RO01320150924
assbot: Putin plans air strikes in Syria if no U.S. deal reached: Bloomberg| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyrchv )
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-usa-nuclear-germany-russia-idUSKCN0RN12920150923
assbot: Russia may put missiles in Kaliningrad if U.S. upgrades nuclear arms in Germany: Interfax| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiNUKk )
trinque: another lovely day in US-Russian relations
shinohai: :D
mike_c: kakobrekla: how do you feel about adding an Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to w.b-a.link?
kakobrekla: why do you need that?
mike_c: Cross origin ajax request
mike_c: I was going to add an ajax search of the user page to the 'not found' btcalpha wot nick search page
mike_c: would rather not do it server-side to reduce dependencies
kakobrekla: try if works
mike_c: it does, thanks
kakobrekla: np
BingoBoingo: https://isocpp.org/blog/2015/09/bjarne-stroustrup-announces-cpp-core-guidelines
assbot: Bjarne Stroustrup announces C++ Core Guidelines : Standard C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSPuR )
mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/ ☟︎
assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiU7G6 )
mike_c: thx to kako for rapid server change.
kakobrekla: o good job
jurov: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/almost-10000-syrians-have-registered-to-live-in-a-country-that-might-not-exist/
assbot: Almost 10,000 Syrians have registered to live in a country that might not exist - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxKnH3 )
jurov: liberland lives!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57267 @ 0.00073902 = 42.3215 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel - http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00073679 = 35.1449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00073367 = 37.1237 BTC [-] {6}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears - http://qntra.net/2015/09/eyewitness-people-walking-out-of-bitpay-office-in-tears/
punkman: I was hoping for a photo :(
BingoBoingo: punkman: Some may be coming
BingoBoingo: Wanted to commit the report to the textual record as soon as possible
Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business… ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Because like CoinDesk is going to have a friend in Atlanta walk by the BitPay offices to take in the rumoured slaughte
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: It really is
BingoBoingo: BitPay is/was the non-retarded retail alternative to CoinBase
Pierre_Rochard: from the public info I read, they’ll continue with a skeleton crew, could make a turnaround if there’s a bubble soon :/
BingoBoingo: AH
phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. both t. and ultimate) are allowed ☟︎☟︎
phf: to misbehave, idle however long and send data as large as they want. what's not implemented: prioritizing trusted nodes over others during node selection: you might still lose connection by natural means, in which case -addnode nodes will be dropped, and a standard node selection mechanism is used. the patch so far is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/155710. i'm thinking that ultimate vs. trusted distinction might be unnecessary. i would
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxQWcH )
phf: appreciate any comments on the subject.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00074068 = 19.7762 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: phf if you recall alf had some kind of middleman problem.. and this won't help
BingoBoingo: !up StringMiller
jurov: !up RH311ish
phf: jurov: this is in reference to this conversation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256535 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 15:45:26; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
phf: one way it might help with ascii's problem specifically though is that your client will patiently wait for ascii's node, even though there might be periods of time where it would otherwise be completely unresponsive.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
phf: -connect based nodes in large avoid this problems because there's a mainloop that keeps adding same -connect supplied addresses over and over again, so even if elsewhere it's decided to drop the node, it'll be added and reconnected again on the next iteration. never the less a connect node can still be banned for misbehaving, which is something that his patch prevents from happening
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << trust without public key authentication of ENTIRE transmission is a waste of time !! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot
ascii_field: will say this again, 'trusting' ip p.q.r.s is IDIOCY
ascii_field: usg can and DOES mitm transmissions.
punkman: you could make bans on "trusted" nodes expire sooner
ascii_field: waste of time.
phf: punkman: that specific loop can be closed much easier by checking for -connect during misbehave report and bailing
ascii_field: phf: all this will do is that you will waste cpu cycles on peers who are getting packetdropped by usg
ascii_field: (all of the mitm against my nodes has taken the form of vaguely plausibly-deniable packet dropping and delay)
ascii_field: strategic, incidentally, in that it did not trigger 'misbehave' listing on my end
phf: misbehave is only triggered when counterparty sends malformed, but still recognisable packets, so that would be a much more noticeable attack
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284966 << headers-only sync is not sync. the phoundation client is not a bitcoin implementation and hasn't been for ages. on the other hand, a box that takes 3 weeks to sync FROM EATBLOCK ON DISK has something seriously wrong with it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 19:30:42; gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
ascii_field: get a real computer somewhere ?
phf: where's packet dropping and delay results in a no-consequences disconnect, similar to that "no activity in first 60 seconds"
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: and, importantly, wasted time
ascii_field: as no useful activity can take place while this hangs
ascii_field: because the whole thing was written by the profoundly retarded
phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe" ☟︎
ascii_field: the correct recourse is crypto.
ascii_field: and for 'trusted' peers, in the above sense, to be ones where all comms in both directions are authenticated.
ascii_field: as in rsa-signed.
BingoBoingo: !uo i-dont-know2
BingoBoingo: !up i-dont-know2
ascii_field: mircea_popescu once alluded to a dirty ad-hoc implementation of this by chinese operators, where nodes had vpn links to one another
gernika: ascii_field Thought it was real - 32 GB ecc ram, opteron 4226.
ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer. ☟︎
ascii_field: gernika: and you were syncing from what?
ascii_field: as in, where did the blocks fed to 'eatblock' come from ?
gernika: both yours and mp's nodes.
ascii_field: in real time ?
ascii_field: i am asking ~specifically~ how the thing was put together
ascii_field: the correct way to use eatblock is with dumpblock coming from an already synced LOCAL node.
ascii_field: this does NOT take 3 weeks on my hardware.
ascii_field: more like 3 days.
gernika: Right. So I made it to 368xxx and got stuck on the large block syncing from one of your nodes over the network. I then (probably) had a bad shutdown and corrupted the db. I then used eatblock to sync from what I had on disk up to that point.
ascii_field: stuck?
ascii_field: as in, didn't have the bdb locks fix patch applied ?
gernika: wedged - due to not having the patch yes
ascii_field: then burn the whole thing & start over
ascii_field: srsly
ascii_field: let me guess, of the 3 weeks, most of the time was spent wedged ?
gernika: The node was not on the network, it was just eating from disk. It did not appear wedged, just processing one block after another.
ascii_field: but was the entire blockchain already present on disk to be eaten?
ascii_field: what i am asking is, did it at any point spend time waiting for an edible block to appear on disk.
gernika: Yes it did. I did not dump all.dat files at once. I would dump one, eat through it (in about 24 hours), then dump the next.
ascii_field: how much time spent on the dumps ?
ascii_field: (as distinct from the eating)
gernika: a couple of minutes.
ascii_field: the other important question is whether the node being synced was also accessing the net at the time
ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation) ☟︎
gernika: It was started like this bitcoind -myip=x.x.x.x -caneat -datadir=/home/gernika/.bitcoin-8-14/
phf: gernika: you know if the addr db empty? if you did a connect with that node at any point, it'll have a populated address database and start connecting immediately on startup
phf: i don't have intuition for complete eatblock time, but 3 weeks does sound like surprisingly long time, even with all the checks enabled
gernika: It might not have been empty. That said, I didn't see the noise in the logs I would expect to see if it were connected to another node.
phf: ah, word
shinohai: phf what are u running again?
phf: shinohai: what's the context?
shinohai: oh, o.s.
phf: shinohai: mac os x
shinohai: O.o oh
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shinohai: ^___________________^
phf: shinohai: what prompted the question?
shinohai: I was reading your conversation with gernika in logs, was only curious
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