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asciilifeform: lopers in a sneaky and underhanded way. They were told, oh i forget they were "asked", to not tell anyone else in OpenBSD that this was happening, probably because people "including Theo" would be upset. Funny thing is, I've never been upset about the 20+ OpenBSD and ex-OpenBSD developers who now work for google. Previously, many of those developers were in critical positions in the development team. As they were suddenly hire
assbot: 'OpenBSD forked' thread - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1vu6msz )
asciilifeform: There was a discussion about this on the OpenBSD misc mailing archives back in 2012: http://marc.info/?t=133961305400003&r=1&w=2 Theo's initial response to the thread, which may help illuminate the situation, was: "Except for the fact that it is bullshit. They started the fork because they got kicked out because one developer (Marco) hired 5 other developers for his startup company, and attempted to hire around 10 other deve
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean the fork they want already exists in Google's "android", a linux built with the OpenBSD libc
assbot: Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vu4vUk )
BingoBoingo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=141740633215923&w=2
mircea_popescu: but i suppose putting more steam behind openbsd can't hurt.
mats_cd03: maybe its time to move to openbsd
ben_vulpes: and openbsd i further suppose because an actual human runs it.
xanthyos: or openbsd bootable flashdrive
assbot: Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yX0E13 )
danielpbarron: ;;later tell ben_vulpes I'm running bitcoind 0.7.2 on OpenBSD 5.5 as per BingoBoingo's instructions http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/ -- it took several weeks to get my data up-to-date, and it frequently crashes
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is slowly getting better at tolerating VMware and Qemu, but devs still primalirly target Iron
BingoBoingo: Virtualizing OpenBSD is still not very pleasant or economical compared to colo-rack with boxen
ben_vulpes: any suggestions on openbsd hosting?
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: you know, i suddenly realized today when browsing your /. page that you're the reason why i'm here -- i saw your 'Bitcoin Baron' and OpenBSD headline and decided to pop in to see what was up
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You know... OpenBSD and Gentoo have Mac PPC ports
asciilifeform: a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m.
decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
mircea_popescu: decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872 <<< not that exceptional.
decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872
decimation: has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?
BingoBoingo: What ken mods? OpenBSD offers two kernels bsd and bsd.mp, if you want more fuck you
mod6: s/openbsd/*bsd
BingoBoingo: mod6: OpenBSD on its own is prolly hostile enough to dev in
mod6: so, since we're talking about it, what would be the most idea env for such a reference implentation? a fully stripped openbsd with a custom fs & drivers?
BingoBoingo: Now that people are finally reading GNU utils I imagine split will be from OpenBSD 5.X -current
asciilifeform could stomach if necessary for openbsd
diametric: fixed 5 years ago in openbsd.
diametric: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/ftp/fetch.c#rev1.96 i guess nobody fucking reads.
decimation: I"m running into some kind of build error on openbsd
decimation: I'm trying to get an openbsd vm running for 'adult' platform
BingoBoingo: bounce: Reading comments on different articles about the change everyone with a linux background seems conviced OpenBSD is shooting itself, when really there's different ways to make machines do things.
BingoBoingo: bounce> openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh. << Not many actual uses of them in the first place.
bounce: openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh.
assbot: OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection
decimation: I mean openbsd port
decimation: yeah maybe openbsd is a good idea
asciilifeform: if vm, why not openbsd.
BingoBoingo: http://www.ioactive.com/pdfs/IOActive_Advisory_OpenBSD_5_5_Local_Kernel_Panic.pdf
BingoBoingo: decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though
BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i rarely if at all run openbsd tho << now we know, he has personal os and btc apparatus! with alien technology.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i rarely if at all run openbsd tho ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to upload a favourite and signed openbsd installer? then we roll tonight.
BingoBoingo will prolly pick up the next OpenBSD CD's... wishes OpenBSD saw the wisdom in an actual fundraiser so Bob Beck could code and not disappoint the firsted biggest donor
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD doesn't Docker. not well at least
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'm building a container with docker, and a cursory search turned up no docker base image for openbsd.
danielpbarron: why not OpenBSD?
assbot: UNIX V5, OpenBSD, Plan 9, FreeBSD, and GNU coreutils implementations of echo.c
danielpbarron: i have instructions on compiling ssss-0.5 on OpenBSD 5.5 if anyone is interested
danielpbarron used BingoBoingo's instructions to compile bitcoind 0.7.2 on OpenBSD 5.5
assbot: Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You know there's another guide. Paid for rather than wrote this one. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/
assbot: Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' The Register
mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/ for instance
BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man6/bs.6
BingoBoingo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=141197480111629&w=2
BingoBoingo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=141192314032483&w=2 << Use after free bug in Tor
BingoBoingo: Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html
BingoBoingo: Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html
BingoBoingo: Jobs turned Sun OS into OS X, Google turned OpenBSD libc on lunix to make Android. THe world turns, everydog becomes a mutt. And no one cares for generology anymoar!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They taken OpenBSD's libc, for what reason who cares. THey are just the queer little unix with the kernel lock that hampers IP stacks, right?
BingoBoingo: decimation> I would consider migrating to openbsd, but I'm not sure it would have a friendly user interface << Can be done, just worry about drivers first.
decimation: I would consider migrating to openbsd, but I'm not sure it would have a friendly user interface
assbot: Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid - Michael W. Lucas - Google Books
BingoBoingo: decimation: http://books.google.com/books?id=PN6Xy9zWAbsC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=openbsd+multiprocessor&source=bl&ots=Ud7mAj6peO&sig=AiaCmfuKMVFRhuLGypHxbbvfGFM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AAEiVLSLOMmvyAT66IKwDQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=openbsd%20multiprocessor&f=false
assbot: openbsd user - misc - State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD
BingoBoingo: I'm digging for some. Here's a discussion that hit on some of the points http://openbsd.7691.n7.nabble.com/State-of-multiprocessing-and-multithreading-in-OpenBSD-td99419.html
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, maybe not that old. The thing is OpenBSD's multiprocessor handling is different than other people's really interesting subject.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: re:existing infrastructure << I think openbsd refuses to support multiple cpus << Come on they have a kernel that plays nice with multiprocessors
decimation: asciilifeform: re:existing infrastructure << I think openbsd refuses to support multiple cpus
assbot: Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ << chalbersma I scooped you at least once
asciilifeform: who, outside of openbsd, has good crypto-discipline ?
assbot: Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code
pankkake: nor does bionic come from openbsd
BingoBoingo: Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel
assbot: /mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode?
mircea_popescu: look at what exactly happened in openbsd once the teeth of the nsa stooges were felt.
midnightmagic: It works. When teams can't work directly together, as in NetBSD and OpenBSD, the two teams can cooperate very effectively as separate teams.
BingoBoingo: Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well
mircea_popescu: recall, im the openbsd guy.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: It's like any other thing. Most of them are absolute shit, but occasionally you get one by an actual expert on an actual subject. There was actually a nice OpenBSD one done by Micheal W. Lucas for O'Reilly
ryguy_`: string together some openbsd boxes or grsec boxes and give it a go from afar in a 3rd world country
midnightmagic: working on a codebase of sufficient size is not reasonably doable for a single person, even if that person is working full-time. Temporarily divergent codebases similar to, e.g. NetBSD and OpenBSD, are an excellent example of the fruits of multiple, medium-sized groups working on partially-divergent codebases who together created more in a cohesive whole than either group did on their own.
mircea_popescu: have i made money supporting openbsd ?
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, that shows some proof of the status, but not how it came to be or maybe I'm missing something? Like OpenBSD being put to good use after... :)
gribble: Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/>; Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vnmb4/romanian_bitcoin_billionaire_saves_openbsd/>; 19-1-2014 Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD - Bitcoin Forum: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;google romanian billionaire openbsd
mircea_popescu: "I actually have been thrilled to see that finally there is movement to replace the straight access to /dev/random and /dev/urandom: Ted's patch to implement a getrandom() system call that can be made compatible with OpenBSD's own getentropy() in user space. And even more I'm happy to see that at least one of the OpenBSD/LibreSSL developers pitching in to help shape the interface.
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140715120259 << "The question now was how to integrate it. OpenBSD developers don't like huge diffs for a very good reason. After fixing the inode format and adding new flags, Ted pointed out the ancient rule "whoever touched it last now becomes the maintainer" was valid even here."
danielpbarron: i use old hardware running openbsd
BingoBoingo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=140327616811443&w=2
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 << kinda why everyone sane is using homebrew crypto stack.
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
asciilifeform: http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass.