assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.100001 = 2.3 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: candles in the mpex charts change color!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 944 @ 0.00124997 = 1.18 BTC [-]
adlai: there should be a timelapse gif of these "sliding window" candle charts
adlai: with overlays of all the possible nonsense generated by overfatted TA
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1625 @ 0.00124999 = 2.0312 BTC [+]
cazalla: adlai, turns out that @moneybookers account has nothing to do with them, they rebranded as skrill and someone is squatting the old name
assbot: We’d like to assure our customers that /skrill is in no way associated with the /MoneyBookers account or the news and views that it shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26019 @ 0.00036626 = 9.5297 BTC [-]
assbot: We are very happy to be able to inform you about the news on Skrill (MoneyBookers) via this new unofficial twitter account!
adlai: date is relevant: 28 Nov 2012
adlai: this company has been name squatted for TWO YEARS
adlai: that's enough internet for tonight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19032 @ 0.00036626 = 6.9707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55099 @ 0.00036835 = 20.2957 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: Translation: in exchange for political support, manipulation of the masses, etc, we expect to be paid in usg-authorized indentured servants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32997 @ 0.00037375 = 12.3326 BTC [+]
kuzetsa: teenage mutant ninja turtles x3; heroes in a half-shell; turtle power!
kuzetsa: I'm old enough to have grown up around the time the original TMNT animated series was still on the air, but that doesn't make it (or me) any cooler I guess
kuzetsa: I'm gonna be watching the movie tonight just to see how much they ruined my childhood
cazalla: kuzetsa, the original movie or the new one?
kuzetsa: the one that came out in the past 36 months & just came out on bluray in the past few weeks
cazalla: ah yeah, i've never watched any of the reboots
cazalla: have you seen nigga turtles?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34601 @ 0.00037346 = 12.9221 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: either it's racist humor or your misspelling was unfortunate
kuzetsa: that link of yours routed through hidemyass.com and ... suspicious scripting and shit
cazalla: complain to assbot, not me
kuzetsa: I clicked assbot's hostile link instead of yours. you're right.
kuzetsa: wtf even is "hidemyass.com" ?!@$!
kuzetsa: I wasn't impressed by nigga turtles
xanthyos: remember the scene when young shredder takes all the bells in the dark room without ringing one?
cazalla: kuzetsa, there is like 10 episodes and it is a better watch than the remake you intend to watch
kuzetsa: cazalla: I'm uncomfortable with the voiceovers and such on it
xanthyos: looks like many other "bad lip reading" clips on yotuube
xanthyos: even easier to mouth synch with the latex turtle head mouths
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mats_cd03: looks like mp was right, the price didn't budge for black friday
assbot: When kdbus will become merged in kernel, using udev without systemd will become impossible. Lennart shuts down discussion calling any opposition "haters". : linux ... (
http://bit.ly/12e8Sad )
decimation: it seems that Kay Sievers (and before him Greg KH) were the de-facto maintainers of udev
decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make udev depend on systemd
decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with systemd, c) if hate systemd that much, but love udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus
decimation: to do initialiuzation/policy/activation."
decimation: it's not really 'rotting' in as much as it is 'dead', and a mushroom is growing on its corpse
decimation: it's 'dead' in the sense that there's apparently no serious alternative to redhat-salaried developers who 'maintain' the core of userspace
ben_vulpes: and openbsd i further suppose because an actual human runs it.
decimation: For the pankakkes of the world: I'm not trying to say that the existing init system is awesome, I'm sure that if one were to turn over that rock one would find a mass of ugly critters
mircea_popescu: <decimation> opera is a vastly superior browser <<< i been sayin'.
mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> assbot: you're a bad idea << if you'd have read the logs you'd know there was some derp in chan earlier dropping links to leech ips to ddos people.
mircea_popescu: and hidemyass is probably the most used web based proxy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50698 @ 0.0003623 = 18.3679 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation basically this systemd is a ms windows of 1990s reboot.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the only point being proven is that insecure idiots, low on skills and very high on politicizing are never going to go away.
mircea_popescu: decimation> it's 'dead' in the sense that there's apparently no serious alternative to redhat-salaried developers who 'maintain' the core of userspace <<< history is the alternative.
mircea_popescu: I. Rogues are scissors. Warriors are rock. Hunters, paladins, priests, druids, mages, and shamans are paper. Warlocks are mushrooms.
mircea_popescu: II. Paper beats rock. Scissors beat paper. Scissors also happen to beat rock...
mircea_popescu: III. Until rock hits sixty at which point rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that also beats paper, and would beat scissors, but it can't find scissors, because scissors are invisible. So scissors beat paper and avoid rock, and that is called balance.
mats_cd03: for a short time i played on bg9 in 3s pvp at a high level, ~top 20 teams or so
cazalla: wow pvp is the biggest zzz
mats_cd03: the variation from season to season for class compositions made the game unplayable
mats_cd03: minor balance changes fucked everything up, from skill changes, equipment, racials, ... part of the reason why wow pvp never really caught on as an 'esport' imo
cazalla: not really, the game became more of a social network with socialist participation award type shit
mats_cd03: that too, but the game had such an enormous player base that if the pvp was any good it could be as huge as dota, et al are rite now
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i agree, they had the most braindamaged administrative approach
mircea_popescu: but then again, they never wanted to make a good game ; they just wanted to make a game everyone plays, and pays .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3608 @ 0.00036064 = 1.3012 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mirc but then again, they never wanted to make a good game ; they just wanted to make a game everyone plays << except that was never the original plan until activision took over
nubbins`: protip: not every time zone is offset from UTC by an integer number of hours
nubbins`: actually the first snowfall of the year tonight
nubbins`: there's a few inches out there
thestringpuller: I'm starting to miss the cold. The weather here is whacky. Went from freezing to spring weather in the same week last week.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00035995 = 11.1225 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: 02:48:14asciilifeform:usg choppers were supposedly fired upon during 'katrina' << yep, i can confirm this second hand -- i know a few L.A. guardsmen that engaged in firefights with looters
mats_cd03: it should be public knowledge by now, i heard rumors about a documentary film about to be released a year ago, dunno if it materialized
mats_cd03: kinda controversial, as the regular army is prohibited from combat operations on american soil afaik (posse comitatus)
nubbins`: when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess
mats_cd03: funny enough, some guardsmen participated in the looting
nubbins`: when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess
nubbins`: given the choice between grabbing a looter and grabbing a new flatscreen...
mats_cd03: id have preferred a gun battle, personally.
nubbins`: cbc's self-reporting on all this ghomeshi stuff has been stellar
mats_cd03: pitched battles with insurgents are fairly rare even for dudes in remote combat outposts
decimation: mats_cd03: I know a few folks who believe that the regular army would generally have no problem with firing on americans if ordered to do so
decimation: I'm not so sure myself, but I hope it doesn't come to that
mats_cd03: idk about that, i worked with a fair number of free thinkers ranging from lower enlisted to field grade officers
decimation: I think there was a discussion about this awhile ago. I think that if it came to this (orders to fire on the population somewhere) it would probably tear the military apart, or at least damage the chain of command
mats_cd03: and i don't get the impression they'd be down with it. american military doctrine encourages autonomy at the company level in a lot of ways
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00035978 = 22.6661 BTC [-] {3}
dub: a world where are americans are shooting each other is a safer world
mats_cd03: which is great for tactical warfighting, but much less suited to a task better left for secret police
dub: and yet america survives
decimation: mats_cd03: unfortunately it seems like the 'secret police' is often trotted as a solution to many of usg's problems
mats_cd03: all the more reason to accumulate fuel for takeoff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5553 @ 0.00037375 = 2.0754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.0003748 = 14.1112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40325 @ 0.0003748 = 15.1138 BTC [+]
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nubbins`: tbh i want daylight savings time all year
nubbins`: it currently gets dark at 4:30pm
nubbins`: i would rather it didn't get dark until 5:30pm
nubbins`: who the fuck cares about the morning?
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kuzetsa: [23:00:00] <+mircea_popescu> <kuzetsa> assbot: you're a bad idea << if you'd have read the logs you'd know there was some derp in chan earlier dropping links to leech ips to ddos people. << mmm, yeah. I barely even notice if someone directly mentions my own nick.
kuzetsa: and that's only because I enabled the nick highlight feature on my IRC client
kuzetsa: I was totally awake for the past 5 hours, just not looking at IRC
kuzetsa: I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit
kuzetsa: I default to assuming something complicated enough that I can't audit it in under 2 minutes is a bad idea
kuzetsa: hence my saying "assbot: you're a bad idea" generically
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25334 @ 0.00036315 = 9.2 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00036533 = 14.4305 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00037162 = 10.4054 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00037479 = 6.6338 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18442 @ 0.00036519 = 6.7348 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00036445 = 2.0409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56497 @ 0.00036959 = 20.8807 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: damn, 1230am and outta liqour :\
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa yeah i guess it's way too web 2.0 for its own good.
fluffypony: cazalla: pft, amateur...you should always have a stash :-P
cazalla: fluffypony, can't keep a stash because it gets drunk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00037407 = 4.1503 BTC [+]
fluffypony: cazalla: you need a standing weekly order :-P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.00036345 = 19.4627 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: nintendo are releasing eon tickets across australia on monday, i get to line up at the shopping centre with 10 year olds and other dorks just so i can get the ticket to go to the island in game and catch a specific pokemon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00036313 = 3.8129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5356 @ 0.00037407 = 2.0035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00035871 = 6.5106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00035748 = 18.2672 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00124999 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0003639 = 4.9854 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3990 @ 0.00124999 = 4.9875 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2014 08:56:36; kuzetsa: I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit
kuzetsa: kakobrekla: I have no preference
kuzetsa: I just use a sane browser that doesn't run scripts by default
kuzetsa: hidemyass wasn't on the whitelist
kuzetsa: so I couldn't see the youtube video
kuzetsa: and I was irked when I saw how many non-youtube scripts hidemyass was trying to run :(
kakobrekla: thats to be used only when you are following links from unknown people btw
kuzetsa: I didn't think anyone in this channel could post unless they were at least known in the -otc WoT
kuzetsa: how are you defining "unknown people" O_O
kakobrekla: -assbot- You voiced dooglus for 30 minutes.
kuzetsa: that seems to defeat the purpose of having +m
kakobrekla: idk have you been in this chan before in last few months?
kuzetsa: I've been idling for several consecutive months
kuzetsa: I usually don't pay much attention though
kuzetsa: and I recently wiped my logs so it only goes back a week or two curently
kuzetsa: I've only privmsg'd assbot with the !up thinger less than 10 times
mircea_popescu: there's kinda no way out of the "i don't want to pay attention, why don't i understand anything" trap.
kuzetsa: it's not a trap if shut up
kuzetsa: (I don't care enough to discuss the proxy thing ... people just keep re-bringing it up and highlighting me in the process)
kuzetsa: like... my expectations were low but I was still blown away with how awful it was :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25230 @ 0.0003622 = 9.1383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0003622 = 8.2292 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1440 @ 0.00124999 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00035976 = 14.2285 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: kakobrekla: what about 'censoring' links from those who aren't in the wot?
decimation: I guess that would imply full moderation
decimation: yeah. irc is a creeky 1950's cuban ford pickup, it kinda works
decimation: don't forget 'throw out existing cpu paradigm'
kakobrekla: yes that one should be first or else you will have to do the other 3 again
kakobrekla: but i guess everything goes faster on the second try
decimation: DCOP was a bus that KDE used as an IPC layer between GUI programs; DCOP became DBUS
decimation: now Greg KH, Kay Sievers and Lennart want to integrate DBUS into the kernel (DBUS)
decimation: apparently integrating DBUS was tried twice before and DaveM said "hell no"
decimation: so now they are going to try to integrate it as a character device
decimation: concept/prototype or even a draft requirements specification."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how they always proceed with this "chiken can eat the highway" outlook.
decimation: I think the might have some legitimate points about shortcomings in existing IPC mechanisms, but I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense
mircea_popescu: it's sort of like the beta dork showing up with his hot sister at the exclusive bar.
mircea_popescu: the girl gets shoved in and he gets to stay behind the rope.
mircea_popescu: in spite of having had some good points, mounted on the chick's chest.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1229 @ 0.00124999 = 1.5362 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21722 @ 0.00035938 = 7.8065 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37249 @ 0.00036046 = 13.4268 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00035746 = 18.1947 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense << they don't want unnecessary context switches
jurov: this is the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31157 @ 0.00035734 = 11.1336 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: perhaps the c pyramid will collapse under its own weight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40377 @ 0.00035705 = 14.4166 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00035987 = 21.7901 BTC [+]
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thestringpuller: "In 2011, a survey done showed that approximately 60% of Jamaicans would push to once again become a British territory; citing years of social and fiscal mismanagement in the country."
mats_cd03: "Startups don't win by attacking. They win by transcending."
undata: transcendent disruption of paradigms
undata: please take my course on the above for only 10 BTC
kakobrekla: >The truly great startup founders have to be nice on the outside but when push comes to shove, complete assholes on the inside.
kakobrekla: yes because even more pretending will save the world
mats_cd03: i just had a glass of milk after avoiding lactose for over a year
undata: mats_cd03: prepare your bowels for disruption
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00035576 = 11.9713 BTC [-]