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mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds like cheap drama. and it can't be THAT seeing how rms used a laptop before 2013.
asciilifeform: 'have JUST LIKE RMS!1111'
asciilifeform: it's the rms-laptop thing.
asciilifeform: these are, if anyone forgot, the 'rms's magical laptop' folks.
mircea_popescu: and yes, evidently A LOT of asm by hand will go into this. guess what ? this is exactly what the fuck the early c people who made c possible in the sense of having rms hijack it 20 years later did.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#413 << doh. hence the "wars" (raging mostly in rms' mind)
trinque: and RMS is an ally? looks like a communist to me.
asciilifeform: y'know how rms et al used to say 'publishing without gnu is same as working for microshit for free' ?
mircea_popescu: "here's how rms' laptop works - except it doesn't"
asciilifeform: but is there 'anyway' because the fungus in rms's left ear told him that a build script weighing a meg was somehow ok
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was part of a discussion of rms/foss/etc ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the point was that rms made certain falsifiable statements, that alf took the pains to falsify.
mircea_popescu: was a whole thing re rms's supposed ideal machine.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
asciilifeform: (i haven't any dispute re dns being a work of evil, from day 1, but the rms solution is not a solution and i will continue to laugh)
asciilifeform: all quite reminiscent of rms
mircea_popescu: you're getting the brunt of it for your "sin" of being naively open, but whatever, you're a big enough boy to survive it i'd hope : the above orcish "when stated plainly they laugh so whatever, the face trick seems to work" is a large part of why people like rms failed without meaning to and without realising they were. much like the hurtless cut of the apple carpace.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could not wash for an entire year, a la rms...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: Framedragger actually, the process of creating github and then confusing git for github, aka embrace and extinguish / "rms-ing" is also amply discussed in teh logs :)
asciilifeform: one of the few useful concepts we got from rms was 'source == form-preferable-for-modification'
mircea_popescu: to an alarming degree, which passes for "normal" in the mind of derps like rms, because it's common and he's confused, computing IS ALREADY TIVOIZED
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:00 asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking
asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to phf 's thing : i frankly dun think rms/frf/etc are relevant here, not anymore than aunt molly's mole is relevant in a discussion of dermatology.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-11 03:50 mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
mircea_popescu: well of course, he exists because the asshole behind ers&co's "we'll get UBER RICH by backstabbing rms", the one with the shoddy "guide" textbook publishing scam, promoted him way back when.
mircea_popescu: or wait, im confusing him with rms again aren't i.
asciilifeform: but it is worth remembering that rms began his thing in a time when hardware was rare and precious
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you ever made any sense of the rms notion that "free hardware" is nothing like "free software" ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger actually, the process of creating github and then confusing git for github, aka embrace and extinguish / "rms-ing" is also amply discussed in teh logs :) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: rms keeps most :D
asciilifeform: that was re: rms's bobbeck iirc.
mircea_popescu: kinda clashes with the derpage about how "the fsf doesn't consult rms because he's too slow for school"
phf: it looks like that's their mail server, kind of an odd name, but i don't think RMS is involved
mircea_popescu: this is evident in, for instance, rms' early writings about "hacking" at mit or wherever.
asciilifeform: (how rms left the lisp world, think.)
phf: in the end wreckers ended up being much more effective against rms than esr's oss
asciilifeform: (who and why saw rms as needing a counter-pill, i have nfi)
asciilifeform: his 'open source movement' thing was specifically a counter to rms
asciilifeform: i find this as bitter a pill as mircea_popescu does rms.
asciilifeform: which is why i fundamentally cannot hate rms, say
mircea_popescu: much of the same substance as rms' "oh, all things belong to all people", ie, lazy reductionism.
asciilifeform: ditto rms.
asciilifeform: i can certainly see that rms was ~ineffective~ post-1993 or so
asciilifeform: rms was not built to be liked.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the more rms i read the less i like him. the more i think about rms, the less i like him.
mircea_popescu: outright terorism. genuine article rms would have firebombed microsoft offices
asciilifeform: draw, for my education, a 'genuine article rms'
asciilifeform: the really tragic bit re rms is that he became a shadow of a man after getting his mcarthur prize. ended up hiring programmers (!) and turning into a bureaucrat.
asciilifeform: when palladium was but a mere microshit patent, entirely theoretical, rms was the ~only~ one to publicly ring the alarm bells.
asciilifeform: rms is moderate ?!
mircea_popescu: in any conflict, there's moderate positions, and then there's extreme positions. if the moderate position is represented (such as here by rms), the problem is papered over, and things continue until we fall over.
mircea_popescu: and for as long as there's a rms to fuck up things, we'll be waiting.
asciilifeform: rms was the only effective antidote to microshit.
mircea_popescu: rms is exactly what we must teach kids not to be.
asciilifeform: rms lived whole life in motherfucking research institutes
mircea_popescu: rms is the true enemy of the republic. he's the mr brian, if you will.
mircea_popescu: btw, you quoted the wrong rms bit
asciilifeform: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html << rms re gosling.
asciilifeform: rms lived on the spine of a usgtronic dragon, and it is not clear to me that he had any influence in reality over what the dragon did
phf: kind of like rms bringing back mit ai lab, when all the cool kids left for smbx
asciilifeform: rms is not an employee of mit.
BingoBoingo: Then what does RMS do in his closet?
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 16:55:32; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
asciilifeform: actually rms is the most consistently and accurately long-term doom prophet i'm personally aware of.
asciilifeform: but did rms even know that he was bathing in shit ?
kakobrekla: rms was on nefarios conference as much as nefario was on rms conference
asciilifeform: rms, as i understand, goes to all kinds of crud ('phreeee palestine!1111') to play at relevancy
asciilifeform: 'In 1990, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation granted Stallman a MacArthur fellowship. The grant, a $240,000 which is more then $500K in 2000 dollars provided Stallman with a source of income and health insurance for five years. That made it less necessary to do consulting work to support himself. Although RMS now can devote more time to the writing GNU software, but actually h
trinque: rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.
asciilifeform: stung from all sides by vermin who want him to 'get with the times', is it any wonder rms turned to stone ?
asciilifeform: ^ rms when seen from the gnome pit
asciilifeform: 'Even when the SC is asked to decide something, they never go to RMS when they can help it, because he's so unaware of modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture. It's far, far better to continue postponing a question than to ask it, when RMS is involved, because he will make a snap decision based on his own bizarre technical ideas, and then never change his mind in time for th
asciilifeform: rms was working on catastrophically broken priors, but worked.
asciilifeform: (rms won some sort of prize for gcc, but it was only enough for a few yrs, apparently, and parasites helped to eat it faster)
asciilifeform: and rms wrote, later, that not doing this was a catastrophic mistake
asciilifeform: for various reasons, rms et al were unable to produce a usable kernel.
asciilifeform: (rms was, what, 40, 20 yrs ago ?)
asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
phf: of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers
asciilifeform: punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history
punkman: asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process ☟︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?
asciilifeform: i recently built what i believe is an exact replica of rms's laptop
phf: rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution
BingoBoingo: More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license
asciilifeform: 'but hey it worked for rms'
mircea_popescu: this is like saying rms also doesn't wash.
asciilifeform: btw recall, rms never forgave the destruction of its
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 03:57:35; phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt
phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt ☟︎
asciilifeform: perhaps rms relies on... bees ?
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 01:59:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378027 << i shit thee not, personally knew a chick who wanked to rms but - afaik - never mustered the courage to write to him ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: as for rms, his lemote was stolen, in buenos aires, and - afaik - he was never able to purchase another.
asciilifeform: y'know, if folks had listened to rms, we might still have actual computers.
punkman: the hard life of the RMS groupie