BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 447.16, vol: 5494.31096080 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.0, vol: 6478.53859 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.79, vol: 12208.6973368 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.84160584 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 444.546306, vol: 32690.89810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.559, vol: 637.17797835 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.439717, vol: 49.92799371 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 444.556807717
BingoBoingo: From the lighter mines https://imgur.com/a/6vDKG
phf: bb is man with a mission
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/ << as you command.
mircea_popescu: Eric L. Spaulding <espaulding@colgate.edu>; Public Exponent 524289 is NOT PRIME ! o.O
mircea_popescu: also ubertons of fsfe people. it's odd, seeing how fsf i thought was mostly a us item.
deedbot: [Trilema] The recent Phuctor finds, explained. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/
mircea_popescu: oh i keep forgetting the bot rss's.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): root@stallman.mayfirst.org; << check it out phf :D
phf: :o
phf: it looks like that's their mail server, kind of an odd name, but i don't think RMS is involved
mircea_popescu: there's also a didier. and so on. seems they go by the ancient tradition of giving users a subnet
mircea_popescu: ie if i were an user i'd log as root@popescu.mayfirst.org rather than the more common nowadays.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, obviously all local names are arbitrary from the global perspective.
phf: https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board
phf: Stephen Mahood, Outreach and Communication Coordinator, "Most of his technical experience came from his work with Occupy Boston IT and May First/People Link, where he combined labor organizing and technical skills to support organizations focused on systemic change."
mircea_popescu: how about that.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about the "labor organizing" skills involved, but if they're at the same script kiddie level his technical skills belie, he's just right for the democratic party astroturf dept.
phf: that's what i'm thinking
phf: fake occupiers with a convenient set of diddle keys?
mircea_popescu: kinda clashes with the derpage about how "the fsf doesn't consult rms because he's too slow for school"
phf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_First/People_Link
mats: lol
shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
mats: lots of these folks have the same smell
mats: i encountered a professional tibetan panhandler in univ and asked him during the q&a wut exactly his end game was re: china (e.g. revolution by violent means? establishment of 's.a.r.' like .hk? macau?)
mats: chuckled nervously, dodged the entire question, then talked about how important donations were to tibetan freedom and wutever the fuck
mats: fuck that guy
mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
mats: afterwards i asked him how he ended up in the role and it turned out he did some shit for occupy
mats: that's when i realized its possible to have a career being a useless person
mircea_popescu: not exactly useless. in socialism, political posturing is the first and often only "useful" activity.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tibet used to be, roughly speaking, southern california of china. it got the mongolian hordes in the midwest all occupied, and more likely to put up with the emperor in washingtonjing.
mircea_popescu: went the way of detroit.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, you happy with the log ? am i moving links over ?
phf: yes
phf: only thing is that i still need to add /?date=01-12-2013 handler
mircea_popescu: lemme see here...
phf: (it's trickier then it would appear to any rational being, because the url handler that i'm using is all kinds of idiotic, i need to rip it)
mircea_popescu: update posts set post_content = REPLACE(post_content, 'a href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/','a href="http://btcbase.org/log/'); will go from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986007 to http://btcbase.org/log/?date=21-01-2015#986007
mircea_popescu: that any good ?
phf: right
mircea_popescu: takes me to root.
mircea_popescu: hm, i should do date conversion then ?
phf: no, i say just wait about a day
phf: i was going to fuck around with annotations tomorrow, but i can do url fixes instead
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 hope you aren't kilt ded
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: lemme see what styr_to_date does
phf: i mean, if you had a better a regex you could match http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=(\\d\\d)-(\\d\\d)-(\\d\\d\\d\\d)#(\\d+ ) and do a substitute to http://btcbase.org/log/\\3-\\2-\\1#\\4
phf: or something along those lines
mircea_popescu: yeah lessee here.
mircea_popescu: o check it out - myslq has no regexp implemented.
mircea_popescu: ok, i'm out roflmao. gonna wait a day for YOUR "all kinds of idiotic" to be fixed
mircea_popescu: because clearly mine is all kinds of fine.
phf: well, my idiocies i bring on myself, so they can be carefully undone
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454379 << awesome, lots o' kudos.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 02:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot there.
mircea_popescu: in other "fat women pictures and other non-news", retardopedia has a lengthy article on nobody in particular :
mircea_popescu: The Yes Men are a culture jamming activist duo and network of supporters created by Jacques Servin and Igor Vamos.[1] Through actions of tactical media,[citation needed] the Yes Men primarily aim to raise awareness about what they consider problematic social and political issues. To date, the duo has produced three films: The Yes Men (2003), The Yes Men Fix the World (2009)[1] and The Yes Men Are Revolting (2014). In these fi
mircea_popescu: lms, they impersonate entities that they dislike, a practice that they call "identity correction". The Yes Men operate under the mission statement that lies can expose truth. They create and maintain fake websites similar to ones they intend to spoof, which have led to numerous interview, conference, and TV talk show invitations. They espouse the belief that corporations and governmental organizations often act in dehumanizin
mircea_popescu: g ways toward the public
mircea_popescu: "According to Servin, the Yes Men concept initially sprang from their creation of a fake website spoofing the World Trade Organization. To the surprise of Servin and Vamos, many believed the site to be authentic, and the two were consequently contacted to speak at a conference in Austria. Since this time, the Yes Men have continued performing large-scale hoaxes, in what they describe as a collaborative effort with journalists
mircea_popescu: to help the media tell stories which they believe are important"
mircea_popescu: the usg, ever more distant from reality. after michael moore-level break from reality of the 90s, moving on to complete psychosis. soon to reach best korea level of mental confusion, im sure that fat schmuck was anally battering women called "Capitalism" and whatnot.
phf: there's a cool book about american weirdo prank culture of the mid 80s early 90s, http://www.amazon.com/Pranks-RE-Search-No-11/dp/0965046982 it's in the tradition of american weird (john waters, church of satan, boyd rice, that kind of crowd)
phf: i think most of it didn't survive through 90s, or turned dully political, like billboard liberation front
mircea_popescu: dawg get out, john waters is a major film maker.
phf: i think yes men come from that line, but completely devoid of artistic merit, with only leftist moore style commentary left
mircea_popescu: pink flamingos, srsly
phf: boyd rice is as much of a major musicians, i'm not trash talking, i love that stuff.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... there's zero relation between the fact that cool people in paris cca 1800 drank coffee and starbucks. what coffee culture.
phf: well, right, but my point is, to use the analogy, that starbucks wouldn't have anything to poach if there weren't paris cafes
mircea_popescu: im not even sure. there weren't paris soda fountains, for instance.
mircea_popescu: actually...there were, technically pseaking.
mircea_popescu: hell even knows.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456277 << feed is up (just empty atm.) BUT see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1456045 .☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 16:53 asciilifeform: i actually wanted phuctor.nosuchlabs.com
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:40 shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456282 << the most loathesome imho, of the ones in washington, are the falun gong people, in their yellow cult dress. followed by the iran emigres, who march around with signs demanding that their country be bombed and obamanated☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:46 mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the perennial permanence of this scum accounted for the very ambivalent reaction east block refugees received, which was the first desilusionment for most eastern people.
mircea_popescu: of course by now it matters relatively little, nobody in his right mind would seriously propose the west has anything to say or offer.
asciilifeform: dragon had plenty of fat
asciilifeform: folks still livin' on his back, drillin'.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet a flea that respected the dog.
asciilifeform: never was there such a flea.
mircea_popescu: not even housewives.
asciilifeform: and l0l, who and where creams pants over 'downtown dc'
asciilifeform: i would ~pay~ not to work there !
mircea_popescu: people from kansas.
asciilifeform: phun phakt, there are still cast iron traffic light controller / miscellaneous telephonic junk boxes mounted on streets in d.c., empty, sometimes full of bird nest and rubbish
asciilifeform: i have not been to kansas, but suspect they do not have these.
asciilifeform: i am an aficionado, i looked at the logos, they were already installed when the rosenbergs were sizzling in the d.c. electric chair...
phf: when i was out last saturday "on the town", every other girl was from ohio, indiana, illinois. it turned into a game at some point. team ohio won
mircea_popescu: eh, won at headcount. who won and head hm.
mircea_popescu: this snarky remark is too much effort to deliver.
phf: it's not worth it, it's easy to get them to go to a bathroom with you then deliver that punchline
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 408531 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 716 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 44 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 1 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Michael Kmiec <mk@bitwise.net>;
mircea_popescu: holy hell ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD8822B236A7D809CB7D94A9B5E7DF08251829E6DCB988208AD8D3A768CAB9B << hilarity. somebody glomming my own modulus to some derp
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you sign the debian archive key ?
asciilifeform: fuck no
mircea_popescu: did debian archive sign your sig ?
asciilifeform: realize, anybody can make this
mircea_popescu: it;s all it takes
asciilifeform: not even
asciilifeform: you can just concatenate.
mircea_popescu: well no, given keys A and B, getting B's modulus to appear on A requires one of the two to collaborate
mircea_popescu: oh, you meak make a chimera ?
asciilifeform: not per rfc4880...
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE601B78A926EC490F5D5360C495163DFC53571C0430E423A677E5356047B730 << lol at pgp using 1025
mircea_popescu: 2^n+1 amirite ?
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised nobody yet packaged my and your key with, e.g., gavin's
asciilifeform: aha i have nfi
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of audience. the people who think gavin is a person don't grok all this ; the rest would be counter-affected.
mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB << a look, PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key <update-key@pgp.com>; with the 32 bit mirroring thing. we're by now in last year's territory amirte ? i recall seeing this.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: these will all immediately pop when the gcdtron revvs up.
mircea_popescu: what was the total count again ? 20mn ? like 3-4% loaded yet ?
asciilifeform: ~1.2mn rsa-iferous keyz
mircea_popescu: ah that few ?
mircea_popescu: pgp + ssh ?
asciilifeform: (fucktonnes of dsa/etc derpery on sks)
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: pgp
asciilifeform: we never collected ssh per se
asciilifeform: somebody put those into the hopper.
mircea_popescu: iirc there was a dump at some point
asciilifeform: in pgp format no less
mircea_popescu: yea
ben_vulpes: (dsantery)
asciilifeform: lel
ben_vulpes: one could also iterate over github usernames
ben_vulpes: github.com/<username>.keys
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: feel free to drop in anything you like
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone have a clue wtf dmacc.net is ?
ben_vulpes: perhaps some time will free up after this expose-child-to-great-grandmother-in-flyover-states-before-she-exits-gracefully concludes
ben_vulpes: (trip concludes)
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << mild lulz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks defunct?
mircea_popescu: seems it's des moines state uni.
mircea_popescu: apparently github users trivially enumerable : https://api.github.com/repos/git/git/contributors
mircea_popescu: walk the major projects, then walk benvulpes' thing.
mircea_popescu: who wants to do some basic bashing ?
ben_vulpes: https://api.github.com/repositories << can start there
mircea_popescu: word
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do ssh keys need any mangling to be digestable by phuctor?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: quite a bit.
asciilifeform: not same format at all
asciilifeform: which is why i was astonished to see any in there
asciilifeform: someone - perhaps even the original user - converted...
mircea_popescu: by no means undoable. a dump of github ssh keys as is will be useful.
asciilifeform: iirc shithub uses pgp keyz as such, even
ben_vulpes: i wonder how big that'll end up being
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how large was the sks dump?
mircea_popescu: quick question : what do Northrop Grumman and Joe Bradley <bradley@ait.nrl.navy.mil> have in common ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the useful subset is a few gb
asciilifeform: i discarded the dsa crapolade
asciilifeform: ditto elgamal (they were ALL fucked, see logz)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modulus?
mircea_popescu: 16385 aha
mircea_popescu: e not modulus.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: plenty of oddities
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's a DOUBLEWORD to describe this particular flavour of sigint rite ?
asciilifeform: somewhere!
asciilifeform: gotta be.
mircea_popescu: ait, being, of course, Advanced Information Technology. see say http://heron.nrl.navy.mil/contracts/baa/99BAA/908.htm
mircea_popescu: of course, no joe bradley listed anywhere there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew folks in there, massive slave farm
asciilifeform: life is cheap there
mircea_popescu: sounds like it'd suck.
asciilifeform: plenty of folks rotate in, out.
asciilifeform: no shit
mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B4E8E5C313FB8A63997E829FBD1B5661D3CDF468BF4854EC92F9DCBFB673E9C << is this the redditard by the same name ?
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD94E00906D5B8792D3E2EEA939904CE071B1723B8DCF63908EBAA5C47709BEC << nowai, chix?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which redditard
asciilifeform: i recall no particular one such..
mircea_popescu: one adam back
asciilifeform: remind why he is remembered?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, random wannabe, part of some derpy bitcoin vctronium, keeps spewing words on social media.
asciilifeform long ago lost track of which of these was which.
davout: asciilifeform mircea_popescu he's the hashcash guy iirc
mircea_popescu: yaya, he popped out of nowhere last year trying to be relevant.
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D55EC3410A17CE1153BB145032D25526D9D7860530F9594E61F6DF5A29E803F << lel
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F << moar lelz
shinohai: The lulz continiue ... a .mil this time xD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i put the first in log myself! but teh second bwahahah. hightop eh.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1141 / 795950
gribble: 0.00143350712984
asciilifeform: ah lol
mircea_popescu: i wonder if 14 in every 1000 bitcoin addies are broken
asciilifeform: iirc somebody found just this
asciilifeform: & emptied'em
asciilifeform: a while back.
mircea_popescu: ya but were only a few dozen
asciilifeform: pretty sure it became sop and the harvesters run to this day.
mircea_popescu: prolly yeh
shinohai: https://www.hackread.com/anonymous-hacker-arrested-for-leaking-filipinos-voters-data/ <<< rekt
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG mircea_popescu et al! nosuchlabs.com now points to a www. phuctor now at phuctor.nosuchlabs.com .
asciilifeform: currently working on url rewriter to avoid breaking logz links.
mircea_popescu: well do rewriter first ?
asciilifeform: aite.
deedbot: [Trilema] The Darkening - http://trilema.com/2016/the-darkening/
mircea_popescu is rather proud of ^
asciilifeform: incidentally i just realized
asciilifeform: that mircea_popescu is more or less rewriting pelevin's 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
asciilifeform: which is 100% about this
asciilifeform: complete with bursted bubbles and forcible anal education.
mircea_popescu: all the shit i never read, i am cursed to forever rewrite.
mircea_popescu: is there a link ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, no education is contemplated. more like critical existential failure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://knizhnik.org/viktor-pelevin/ljubov-k-trem-czukerbrinam/1 << here it is.
mircea_popescu: danke.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: redirects done.
asciilifeform: sites now switched.
asciilifeform: in case anyone did not notice, http://nosuchlabs.com is an actual site now.
asciilifeform: with linx to relevant thingz.
mircea_popescu: and when i say "he codes well", what i mean is of the following type : yes he nearly moved the site before building the link bridge. BUT! that is easily fixed. what is not easily fixed is that everyone else would have made a link bridge that treated /gpgkey/xxx correctly, but left /stat hanging. he didn't, his /stat redirects correctly also.
asciilifeform: l0l contrary to popular belief i dun operate on geological time.
asciilifeform: when my handz are actually free, shit gets fixed.
mircea_popescu: why is this pelevin fellow so modest.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "fuck you, i use physical terms because i invented all of it and if you don't understand anything tell your father to stop drinking."
asciilifeform: he's typically more that.
asciilifeform: imho 'zuckerbrins' was not one of his better pieces.
phf: well, he's normally that, but he's also into Eastern Spirituality so he's zen until provoked
mircea_popescu: ic.
phf: i could through a handful of pages before giving up, the book cover is just obnoxious
mircea_popescu: trudge you mean ?
phf: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dolboeb/53631/678725/678725_original.jpg
mircea_popescu: eh ffs.
asciilifeform: i will point out that covers traditionally are drawn by folks who read 0 page
mircea_popescu: is he the sort of tard that twu wuvs some sort of derpy yoko ono "artist" woman
mircea_popescu: and she "contributed" that miserable design ?
asciilifeform: not afaik.
mircea_popescu: veliky hamster lol. "this cover made by a graphical artist whose distinction is that the text is somewhat funny."
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever seen ru sf b00k covers ? they are all like this.
asciilifeform: since '90s at least
mircea_popescu: because why, windows.adobe ?
asciilifeform: because tard publishing houses
asciilifeform: at any rate, i have not until now ~seen~ this cover, remember, i read warez
asciilifeform: .txt
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless YOU ask ME wheter i seen covers.
asciilifeform: i have seen number of others !
mircea_popescu: bish, i've not as much as held a book in a decade.
mircea_popescu: have you seen vhs tapes ?
asciilifeform: back when i used to get the physical items via new york importer
asciilifeform: hey my tapes had plain white coverz
asciilifeform: ('cause also 13333337 w4r3z)
mircea_popescu: my better ones had plain producer markings (AGFA in thick red font was the best thing of my childhood). the cruddier ones had xerox'd pictures of who knows what.
asciilifeform: agfa!11111
asciilifeform nostalgiates
mircea_popescu: "Физическая сторона вопроса на самом деле не особо для меня важна. Но она довольно интересна. Во времена Галилея и Коперника полагалось во вступлении делать реверанс в сторону церковной догмы и соотносить с ней все гипотезы и предполо
mircea_popescu: жения, а сегодня мы должны точно так же кланяться догме научной. И если я говорю иногда про «мультиверс» и «многомерность», я делаю это примерно с теми же чувствами, с которыми Галилео мог бы упоминать в своей книге пророка Исайю и Анге
mircea_popescu: лов Божьих: с робкой верой, что Святое Писание понято мной, грешным колдуном, хоть отчасти правильно."
mircea_popescu: ok, what is this inept shit!
mircea_popescu: really, nod to scientific dogma ? ffs.
asciilifeform: iirc rough bio of mr p: went to engineering school, dropped out to sell ibm pc xt clones in early '90s, made megatonne of megabux, got into lsd, went off to write (at first short stories, for phree) then b00kz etc.
mircea_popescu: this habit of "introduction" and "setting" and "explaining" and generally being a borderline sleeve neurotic tard is what sinks most writers that ever had a prayer. for the love of fuck - it's EXACTLY like talking to the police. NEVER say anything. not ever. fuck the intro - if the reader can't figure one out that works for him, he has no business reading.
mircea_popescu: just tell your story.
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to tell you how many lashes i distributed to innocent slave girls that wanted to start with a summary, a pile of hedges, some insurance, contextualization and what the fuck now.
phf: mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's meta-narrative, i.e. introduction written by inept first person
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: phf anyone ever told you what a white knight you are ?
phf: that's one of the reasons why i couldn't get through far, i read enough of that shit online, to also read emulated version
mircea_popescu: anyway, it works, meta-narrative. vorwarts.
phf: only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
phf: i think criticism is particularly painful when comes from place of precise understanding. then there's no excuse of "i was misunderstood!!". no, you were understood, and you suck.
BingoBoingo: phf: Being the gentle on in TMSR is a phase most people grow out of.
mircea_popescu: мультивер and многомерност. mult... hey, russian actually has the aproximate lateral palatal ?! i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: anyway. multivers and mnogomernost. maybe useful later.
mircea_popescu: (traditionally, ʎ is very much a spanish sound, if you look at a map it's pretty much latin america)
phf: "Похож на русский «ль»[lj], однако если в русском языке этот согласный звук палатализуется кончиком языка, то в некоторых других языках мира, например в итальянском языке этот звук палатализуется серединой языка, прикасающейся к твёрдому небу."
mod6: i see unicode
mircea_popescu: this has got to be debatable. over here you can't get two derps to pronounce ll the same way you telling me stalin managed somehow ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 log logs it correctly.
mod6: no worries, was saying in jest :}
mircea_popescu: yes yes, this conversation'd have sounded pretty lulzy in mpscii.
mod6: these kids are doing all sorts of funny things with these keys
mircea_popescu: phf that is correct, nevertheless, only little bitches shy from pain. girl can learn to move into the lash within a few months. writer should be fucking born with it.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, that's approximately the first and best measure of trained slave - does she move into the lash ?)
phf: that is a very precise definition of white knight
phf: huh
mircea_popescu: did you mischan your complaint ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i asked specifically to point out to you what a good job of it you're doing, expecting as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456525 that you wouldn't know. nothing more.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 17:19 phf: only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
phf: i was just marveling at the idea that you can you bludgeon and scalpel from the same cause, but always going for the second one reveals something about a thought process
phf: *can use
mircea_popescu: ALWAYS doing anything is a rng leak.
mircea_popescu: (term of art, discussed here once, but it is possible i was speaking to myself)
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. "tretyi zhurnalist, dama,"
mircea_popescu: such russian.
mircea_popescu: if i ever write a novel about russians, fucking and lying it will be titled exactly that. Tretyi Zhurnalist, Dama.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: dude seriously, the jack of cards braindamalogy ?
mircea_popescu has had enough of this.
asciilifeform: http://aaronburrssexdungeon.tumblr.com/image/143064904011 << unrelated but pertinent
mircea_popescu: he is, yes.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD08753B96F941F94C17718E8143EB03AE4512196CD581540E4A552E31A32BE7 << lulzy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are items on the sadmod page presented in random order ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ought to be in order they were walked.
asciilifeform: i'll take a look
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << oh ffs!
asciilifeform: i oughta add a whole page for these..
asciilifeform: srsly, e == 1 ?!!!
phf: exponent fits in head
phf: $up Apocalyptic
deedbot: Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
Apocalyptic: thank you
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: re e == 1, I was going to refer to the infamous salt commit and madduck, but I get it has already been discussed since http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=madduck yields a result
Apocalyptic: however no fucking way to date the result, hence to get the whole conversation about it. Seems quite useless
Apocalyptic: Re "However, e must be coprimeiii with phi(N), because otherwise messages encrypted can no longer be singularily decrypted (ie, the decryption process allows multiple ambiguous solutions)" it's not even that there are multiple solutions, but afaik there is no algo with a reasonable complexity to even recover them, since this implies computing an n-th root in Z/NZ
Apocalyptic: "In practice, however, it is a lot cheaper to pick a prime exponent, than to check and make sure the exponent shares no factors with N or phi(N)" is there even something checking that e is coprime to N ? this would mean that e is necessarily a multiple of p or q, a case you would be extremely unlucky to get, in the somehow dubious case your e is larger than any of those prime. In the more usual case w
Apocalyptic: here it's smaller there is no chance at all this happens obviously
Apocalyptic: nevermind that search part, I missed the link
phf: http://c9x.me/compile/ another minimal c99 compiler
BingoBoingo: $up Apocalyptic
deedbot: Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> srsly, e == 1 ?!!! << i had one on trilema article too. it's mindbending
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic if you hover mouse on names you get date.
Apocalyptic: yeah I noticed
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's practically lost, but i was keeping it more on a math level. possibly should put it as comment there.
Apocalyptic: it wasn't quite obvious that the bold nickname is in fact a link, I think it would help to have the date with the link before the name like in the b-a log
mircea_popescu: tho to be fair iirc they were getting results with computing n-th roots
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i like this style, works easier to copy/paste.
Apocalyptic: afaik square roots are quite doable, higher not so much, but this I only remember this vaguely
mircea_popescu: well last i looked at it the field appeared to be moving, is all i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind some of these exponents are actually 1 x.x
Apocalyptic: in Z/pZ where p is prime , if p = 1 (mod 4) it can be done in O(log^3 p), that I know
mircea_popescu: and 21, 35 also popular
Apocalyptic: not sure for Z/nZ where n is any natural
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic note the weak Northrop Grumman / navy.mil keys were all 2^n + 1, ie 16385
Apocalyptic: (back to the Z/pZ case, if p = 3 (mod 4), the square root of c is simply c^((p+1)/4), so just a simple exponentiation)
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: I saw that
mircea_popescu: guess what 35 mod 4 is.
Apocalyptic: no idea why these weird exponents were chosen
Apocalyptic: especially the non-trivially large ones
mircea_popescu: 35 mod 4 = 3. we don't know the p, but if you were given to guess, it wouldn't be such a crazy guess to guess it also is.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic especially the non-mirrored 32 bit ones, yeah.
mircea_popescu: (if you recall that was part of the suppression, originally)
Apocalyptic: <+mircea_popescu> 35 mod 4 = 3 // yes, but this isn't related as the RSA arithm doesn't happen in Z/35Z, let alone that 35 isn't prime
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, yes daughters are daughters, but they live in the same house and if one's a slut...
mircea_popescu: too much weird going on for my taste, s'all i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually there's somewhere in log you were discussing some webturd proposing e = 1 or somesuch few days ago ? can't seem to find it.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: that's the salt thingy
mircea_popescu: a was it
Apocalyptic: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/commit/5dd304276ba5745ec21fc1e6686a0b28da29e6fc
mircea_popescu: yeh
Apocalyptic: actually, since you have an easily explicitly computable homomorphism between Z/pqZ and Z/pZ x Z/qZ, solving a square root in Z/NZ is as easy as solving it in Z/pZ for each prime factor p of N
Apocalyptic: so yeah you can do square roots in Z/NZ easily if you factor N
mircea_popescu: $up Apocalyptic
deedbot: Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: $rated Apocalyptic
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated Apocalyptic.
mircea_popescu: $rate Apocalyptic 1 math guy.
deedbot: Apocalyptic is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: wouldja ?
Apocalyptic: dude you rated me already, a long time ago
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this possible ?
deedbot: [Qntra] Ennetcom Seized, Operator Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ennetcom-seized-operator-arrested/
Apocalyptic: I am very well in the WoT, I was even a lord at some point
mircea_popescu: i thoughjt so, but the machine disagrees. were you using a different capitalisation ?
Apocalyptic: somehow the WoT split from b-a must have been messed up
mircea_popescu: crazy.
Apocalyptic: no this very same one
phf: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+rate+Apocalyptic
Apocalyptic: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/apocalyptic/
mircea_popescu: this is pretty weird.
BingoBoingo: Ah deedbot case sensitivity strikes again.
mircea_popescu: does it ?!
BingoBoingo: It hits on my nick
mircea_popescu: he should be a 2, from 2014. apparently is not ? wtf. trinque any idea ?
BingoBoingo: $gettrust deedbot apocalyptic
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: he always used the capital A tho, i reclal this.
Apocalyptic: indeed
BingoBoingo: $gettrust deedbot bingoboingo
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mircea_popescu: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Apocalyptic/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Urls are not case sensitive. Check between the title tags on the page
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently btcalpha hgas him lowercase. no idea wtf this is.
mircea_popescu: sorry bout that Apocalyptic should be fixed and you'll be able to selfvoice.
BingoBoingo: voicing is not case sensitive. Just rating, etc
mircea_popescu: ah ? Apocalyptic try saying $up here
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: I tried to voice up privately with deedbot, didn't work out
Apocalyptic: $up
deedbot: You may not $up yourself.
mircea_popescu: tsk.
Apocalyptic: yeah same result in-chan
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell trinque ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: any weabos in the audience wanna tell me what they think yomi means ?
shinohai: Japanese for "Land of the dead"
mircea_popescu: not that. as in on'yomi and kun'yomi. the reading/strategy yomi.
mircea_popescu: i'm going to have to use the kanji won't i.
shinohai: Sorry my shinto religious detector went off
shinohai: ;;ud yomi
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yomi | Yomi is a Japanese term meaning "Knowing the mind of the opponent", and is essentially an intangible asset required in fighting games. It's the ability to know ...
mircea_popescu: ok, good enough then.
mircea_popescu: the underworld tinge is very good, but the actual meaning must be available.
phf: just means to read
mircea_popescu: thankee!
phf: 読む
shinohai: Unrelated Asian info: https://i.imgur.com/KdD0FG9.jpg
phf: actually no that's yomu, yomi means "reading"
shinohai: Now that I am addicted to writing Qntra stuff, I can't find a single thing to write about today.
phf: kardashians
mircea_popescu: not unless they're nude.
mircea_popescu: hola lobbes
lobbes: hey mp
phf: as i get closer to web, i get exposure to insanity radiation
deedbot: [Trilema] The Dog - http://trilema.com/2016/the-dog/
phf: ~some~ browsers don't preserve fragments during redirects, so /log/?date=01-02-2012#123 redirect idea doesn't work, because #123 gets lost. selectively.
phf: looks like asciilifeform will get his "old style" urls after all
phf: can probably just render the page when ?date= is provided, but doing any sort of cleaning around fixes the url
phf: *clicking around
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456674 << word. i'm still recovering from earlier www binge...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 23:41 phf: as i get closer to web, i get exposure to insanity radiation
mircea_popescu: # gets lost ? when ?
phf: /log/?date=01-02-2012#123 sometimes becomes /log/2012-02-01#123 and sometimes /log/2012-02-01, and that's fully browser dependent
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456675 << by far best yet!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 23:41 deedbot: [Trilema] The Dog - http://trilema.com/2016/the-dog/