a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 22:31 asciilifeform: and now we learn... he's not ?
mircea_popescu: and hate dun enter into it. derp's been making outright false, marginally false and otherwise tendentious statements since just about the day it became clear the oh-so-genius plan won't catch. i see no merit in it and reason to entertain them.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 21:56 mircea_popescu: then in the unwarranted assumption that mp actually needs the piddly 1k btc held for bitbet, they tried to use whatever loose assemblage of assets to force mp to recant de facto. which idem backfired spectacularly when mp not only failed to recant as intended, but pissed with a large arch on the whole proposition, and cut out with hot irons anything that may even remotely resemble.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 22:01 mircea_popescu: that'll be all.
mircea_popescu: hm, no, actually there was a derp that managed to exploit some timing issue early on.
mircea_popescu: possibly, yeah. well, not pre-logs, but pre-what's public now i think.
mircea_popescu: actually there might have been a coupla more publicly known of people with compromised keys
mircea_popescu: im not atm persuaded they exist more than "bfl delivery" existed back in the bitbet bet days.
mircea_popescu: ie, someone somewhere might have received a prototype.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you ever made any sense of the rms notion that "free hardware" is nothing like "free software" ?
mircea_popescu: they always puzzled me, these inconsistent derps. jimbo wales thinks he's a "libertarian", and "objectivist". one that somehow thinks corporate spying is bad, but "the government should put as many cameras up as possible - they'd prevent crimes".
mircea_popescu: why not just you know, review thew priors. LIKE SANE FUCKING PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: if anything, free hardware is more important/useful/valuable than free software, because i've busted open way more programs than chips.
mircea_popescu: no ; then you don't yet know. the time to review is when you notice the walls.
mircea_popescu: anyway - same with music, because "it's not meant for use, but for appreciation". it's a fucking lasagna, what the fuck does this man actually believe ?
mircea_popescu: any program i ever cared about enough to bust open was meant for appreciation. such as fucking civ ffs.
mircea_popescu: does a conference a week since 1995, hasn't yet explained the difference between things "not meant for practical use" and the rest. wtf is impractical use.
mircea_popescu: $google "I think all works meant for practical uses must be free, but that does not apply to music, since music is meant for appreciation, not for practical use."
mircea_popescu: it's unpleasant to watch in a context where the others say anything but "hey, you're having these problems because you're an uppity ronin slave. how about you drop the aferations and go follow a master."
mircea_popescu: because not intellectually up to the task of not following.
mircea_popescu: same fucking reason the poor guy goes : cuz he can't make sense of the world around him
mircea_popescu: in which we find aferation is not an english word. a well. it denotes one who appears to have a lot to do / be in the thick of things / busy, but really just pretending. a george costanza of sorts.
mircea_popescu: $google tits cunt fuck piss shit motherfucker cocksucker
mircea_popescu: in any case, even the proposition that somehow "use" is good while "enjoyment" bad, first to be supported off public tolerance, mandated ; latter to be punished stinks to high heavens of outright evil protestantism bullshit.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this
Framedragger: this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say
mircea_popescu: 8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ?
Framedragger: i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist
Framedragger: no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink
mircea_popescu: please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ?
Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one
Framedragger: nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted
Framedragger: but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot
mircea_popescu: just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits.
Framedragger: something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D
Framedragger: shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course)
Framedragger: man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc
Framedragger: wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that
mircea_popescu: it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology.
mircea_popescu: which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER.
mircea_popescu: pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs.
Framedragger: yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck
Framedragger: no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.)
Framedragger: well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :)
mircea_popescu: part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress.
Framedragger: you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE
mircea_popescu: lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source.
Framedragger: didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat...
Framedragger: by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit
Framedragger: [dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion]
mircea_popescu: per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D
mircea_popescu: who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ?
mircea_popescu: "here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!"
mircea_popescu: "safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan
Framedragger: i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap..
Framedragger: they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later
Framedragger: gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day.
Framedragger: (ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996.
mircea_popescu: this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!"
mircea_popescu: re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist.
mircea_popescu: anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable)
mircea_popescu: whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se.
mircea_popescu: they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying!
mircea_popescu: kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!"
mircea_popescu: well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist.
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply.
mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though.
mircea_popescu: turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too!
mircea_popescu: might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f
mircea_popescu: raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will.
Framedragger: approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min
Framedragger: when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind
Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm...
Framedragger: (that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB)
trinque: asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy
trinque: that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird
trinque: bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach!
trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
☟︎ trinque: unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch
trinque: homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
jurov: how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
shinohai: Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features"
shinohai: The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way.
mircea_popescu: by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents.
mircea_popescu: living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
mircea_popescu: yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
mircea_popescu: after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
mircea_popescu: socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm.
mircea_popescu: like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now?
mircea_popescu: in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent
mircea_popescu: note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all.
mircea_popescu: so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches.
mircea_popescu: the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate.
mircea_popescu: the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble"
mircea_popescu: and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc.
mircea_popescu: but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field.
mircea_popescu: which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed
mircea_popescu: fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again.
mircea_popescu: birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference.
mircea_popescu: socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout.
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