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asciilifeform: 2 - http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << linked from same, pre-release thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, got a link to the original discussion re merits of urbit right before you sold your whatever it was, battlestarisland
phf: "Our records show that you are the owner of 2 Urbit planets."
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the 'i will pick high-level abstractions and then, much later, find a low-level set that supports them well' is doomed. and leads to, e.g., urbit.
phf: "Urbit Is Building a 'Virtual Galaxy' for Bitcoin Nodes (coindesk.com)"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 01:08 phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
phf: from https://sale.urbit.org
phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205." ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://urbit.org/blog/dao << riot of lulz
asciilifeform: 'I'd like to ask specifically about Fare's criticism of large jets. Since it's highly unlikely that the Hoon implementation is bug-for-bug compatible with the native markdown parser, is including that parser in a jet an "unprincipled exception" to Urbit's vision of deterministic functional purity? An even better example is the possible future inclusion of a native JS or Lua interpreter... V8 in particular is a massive project that ro
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a strict membership code. No pedos and no Nazis. And especially no pedonazis.'
asciilifeform: in urbit's case, usg (in its andreessen horowitz face) is paying to keep a dozen bois fed ('press the clown face for a food pellet') and housed (subsidies to silicon valley land racket.) so about 1/1000th of a google.
asciilifeform: 'Urbit has a very good profiler (language integration makes up for a lot of elbow grease), and our attempts to squeeze out performance are usually successful. In extremis, anything can be jetted and probably will.' << yarvin
mircea_popescu: wait, urbit has a core team ?
phf: also https://www.reddit.com/r/urbit/comments/4okcm6/were_the_core_urbit_team_ask_us_anything_about
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:35 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:44 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was pre-urbit-release
asciilifeform: (urbit!)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371044 << reminds me, more than anything, of... urbit ☝︎
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366272 << whattabout the pronounceable mnemonic hashes a la urbit? ☝︎
trinque: this is why urbit did those glyphs or whatever they called them
jurov: why not just use urbit, gotta stand on shoulder of giants :D
asciilifeform: straight to urbit.
assbot: Urbit just released a revolutionary whitepaper for fullstack, decentralized computing : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1jk4S0Z )
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3mdkn0/urbit_just_released_a_revolutionary_whitepaper/ <<< aaand the inevitable merge :D
assbot: Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD )
asciilifeform: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him.
assbot: So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and archive dies on http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/~/on/0v4.fr10a.u9sem.37m45.gtp52.qui8p.json
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
phf: it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc.
ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.' ☟︎
ascii_field: '... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'
ascii_field: 'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ?
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu their bastard 'v' : http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#c-clay-filesystem
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu lulzy: urbit's bastard gossipd: http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#a-ames-networking
mircea_popescu: technologically urbit, managerially dogecoin, practically ripple.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: urbit ?
ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados ☟︎
ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed ☟︎
ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/urbit-dev/for$20sale/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << where i sold mine
danielpbarron: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I << this is him also selling his thingy
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224509 << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB36AE9849D961AC9 << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D ☝︎
decimation: yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable
decimation: where he was gonna talk about urbit
ben_vulpes: there's also the urbit style naming convention for keys
trinque: is this urbit thing ever going to give sane names to its abstractions?
ben_vulpes: did this syllable set (or some derivative) end up in urbit?
trinque: ah the urbit thing
asciilifeform: urbit, incidentally.
gabriel_laddel: Urbit is probably a good example for what I think stas is discussing. You can get paid very well so long as you are very active doing nothing.
mircea_popescu: for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool
mircea_popescu: "Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l
asciilifeform: but as i gather the urbit folks are occupied primarily with pitching just this elaborate scam on the vc circuit
gabriel_laddel: "urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where?
asciilifeform: no more urbit circa '2010, and certainly no 'unqualified reservations', but urbit-flavoured webdev for arseappchatbookville.
gabriel_laddel: urbit it teh lameness
mircea_popescu: https://www.popehat.com/2013/12/06/nock-hoon-etc-for-non-vulcans-why-urbit-matters/ << lulzy vintage.
the_scourge: urbit is yarvin's thing
asciilifeform: urbit.
mircea_popescu: o ya ? what's urbit ?
mircea_popescu: urbit
ben_vulpes: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/urbit/sample-apps/master/blazon/app/blazon/core.hook << undata indeed
decimation tried to run urbit after it was publicized, got tired of the entire world collapsing every other day
decimation: asciilifeform: moldbug hasn't make something 'useful' of urbit yet?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the urbit samples seem to consist of 'hello world'-style toys
assbot: urbit/sample-apps · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ub5xk5 )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: https://github.com/urbit/sample-apps
decimation: I think mr. yarvin pointed to some internet elder figure who was hawking this idea (also urbit)
decimation: have you used urbit Adlai?
assbot: 117 results for 'urbit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urbit
Adlai: !s urbit
asciilifeform: when mr mold posted a begging box some years ago (prior to public urbit) - i gave...
BingoBoingo was probably the least technical person to compel Urbit to the gallows
decimation: I'm sure when they are done with 'stealth mode' urbit will be awesome ;)
asciilifeform: searched using google, for 'urbit', via a few proxies, cookieless browser - and discovered that...
decimation: I think urbit is still around
mircea_popescu: "Urbit is unlaunched. Not that we ever launched it. It leaked. A leak is not a launch; a construction site is not a house." such typical overconfident yet irresponsible derp bs.
assbot: Urbit
jurov: http://urbit.org/ lol
asciilifeform: thiel is also a sponsor of 'urbit'.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') << lies. what is the urbit thing ?
BingoBoingo: I've never really liked his argumentative style as he tries to put forth the grand societal argment relying on mush that seem reminiscent of Urbit "jets"
benkay: at least urbit had code in the wild, has ether achieved that yet?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. // vaporware fork XD
mircea_popescu: benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork.
mircea_popescu: ah, if only they had heard of urbit.
asciilifeform: urbit already found its chumpatronium golden vein
mircea_popescu: one could start with say urbit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....
BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now