assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 03:05:37; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mentally I pronounce it Cunt-Raw
gernika: My preferred mental pronunciation is "contra"
BingoBoingo: cazalla: What did the acronym stand for again?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, Quarrelsome Niggaz Trollin' Reddit Always
cazalla: does anyone read slashdot these days?
BingoBoingo: I still do. Not as many people seem to read it as when MP saved BSDM, but it gets reads by virtue of not being as bad as other places you can find stories missed elsewhere
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they added another link in front of ours, but at least this time they didn't replace it with a derpier venue
BingoBoingo: And then the bet clsoed and they announced the debate would have an extra hour
BingoBoingo: But he spoke at a rate that still would have given him a win
BingoBoingo: They put out 5 BTC and only the BitBet bet had matched it. s.qntr was way up so I figured I'd price their 5 BTC
BingoBoingo: Then someone later threw up a smaller million satoshi bet, which also did well.
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BingoBoingo: Fucking Hearnia. How has that crowd gone on so long without consulting a surgeon to repair their pelvic floor?
mircea_popescu: oh you don't understand, "Gavin has support from the companies and has talked to economists".
BingoBoingo: No-No-No Gavin isn't Hearnia, he is fistula
mircea_popescu: mike_hearnMike Hearn - Bitcoin Expert 2 points 3 months ago - It's nobodies "fault" - there is no such thing as a programmer who never writes buggy code.
mircea_popescu: we just lie and steal and you know, it's nobody's fault, not like there exist things that work or people who aren't shitheads just like us. har har.
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mircea_popescu: people need to learn to stop associated with scammers.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hdbuck what is your primary language?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Or maybe needs to refugee to Tanzania
BingoBoingo: The more I read the more seriously awesome Tanzania sounds
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. Potential Border skirmishes with Rwanda means a legit reason to hoard recreational firepower for weekend entertainment. Also asoundingly low HIV rates for its geography.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.53796614 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: rwanda is that unique place on earth that banned plastic bags
mircea_popescu: well, other than being a total famished shithole / ex genocide site ec.
BingoBoingo: But Rwanda has too much aids, and plastic bags are a net positive for society. The things seriously break down fast.
mircea_popescu: notrly. all the places where the beoble abound, you mostly find the trees covered in them.
BingoBoingo: Ah, they get littered to fast there. Here they break down faster than most paper.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 265.96738432 BTC to 1`000`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share
cazalla: for me, not of me.. obvious typo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00075341 = 25.9926 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla in drag & blackface. hm. << Looks like a pure Cassava fed African Woman
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mircea_popescu: in other news, hanbot in leather goods store. saleswoman decides to upsell her on leather belt. the innermost hole's about a mile too tight. saleswoman proceeds to turn store upside down out of saleswomany ambition. eventually finds one flimsy belth apparently intended for schoolgirls, that on the tightest setting is you know, sorta sitting there unobviously loose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8738 @ 0.00075289 = 6.5788 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: moral being that a great ass is wasted without a wasp waist.
BingoBoingo: The moral of the story is that waist is a primary measure of health among women in the same way percentage completion to FUDA is a primary measure of health among men
cazalla: did you coin that meme BingoBoingo because i never heard of a fuda until today
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Originally idiots used it to refer to male FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) which isn't gendered. So I created a better meaning for FUDA: Fat Usurping Dick Apex
cazalla: for some reason i always assumed fupa was gender specific despite knowing what it meant
mircea_popescu: so women exist whose pubic bone can not be palpated do they ?!
BingoBoingo: "Women" also exist who can not get actual vaginal penetration without 24 inch dicks
BingoBoingo: Eh, what ABout Zi-Zir or some other new age shit.
mircea_popescu: mno, the problem with dating sites is that unless you intend to meet a dog, you're in the wrong place.
mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap
☟︎ cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:56:26; cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Wait, screen prints of Game of Life creatures are marketable?
BingoBoingo: Fuck I was on the wrong path doing oild painting of Kim Jung Il on a train getting slaughtered by a heart
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time
pete_dushenski: yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day
pete_dushenski: wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies
BingoBoingo: Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes
pete_dushenski: the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday
pete_dushenski: there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups
pete_dushenski: and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline
pete_dushenski: lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass
BingoBoingo: If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother
pete_dushenski: i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing
BingoBoingo: And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR
BingoBoingo: Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins
pete_dushenski: there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago.
pete_dushenski: there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy.
BingoBoingo: Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool
BingoBoingo: Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction
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BingoBoingo: What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92
BingoBoingo: Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother
BingoBoingo: Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco.
BingoBoingo: "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester
pete_dushenski: we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar...
mircea_popescu: "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government."
BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo
cazalla: thought the episode was preddy average tbh
mircea_popescu: i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed.
mircea_popescu: 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome.
BingoBoingo: Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs
BingoBoingo: "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind."
cazalla: i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition
BingoBoingo: Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs
cazalla: i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit
mircea_popescu: wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people.
cazalla: that place was so cool back in the day
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punkman: "At least two iOS apps were submitted to App Store, successfully passed Apple’s code review, and were published for public download."
HeySteve: shinohai, blonde 3rd from left and the redhead
shinohai: I agree with the blonde HeySteve ... good eye
cazalla: if i had too. 3rd from left too
cazalla: as for a 2nd.. 6th from left
cazalla: the rest could land a plane between their tits
shinohai: The blonde standing beside her isn't shabby
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cazalla: asked the missus if she could guess which 2 i picked.. she got 1 outta 2 (the brunette)
punkman: the tall blondie is an obvious choice
HeySteve: the trashiest is either blonde on far left or the pink cheetah lady
cazalla: prob right as cheetah lady was the first one my missus picked as "she's total trash"
HeySteve: but she doesn't have obviously fake breasts
HeySteve: whereas that blonde's boobs are like 1/2 of mount rushmore
cazalla: big/small/fake/whatever, any gap is a boner killer
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:50; BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap
cazalla: bet she'd be a great root danielpbarron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00075074 = 12.6124 BTC [-]
cazalla: those pills look like glucosamine or some shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00075074 = 9.084 BTC [-]
assbot: China Is Building The Mother Of All Reputation Systems To Monitor Citizen Behavior | Co.Exist | ideas + impact ... (
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punkman: ""In Europe and the U.S., there's a notion that the state should be constrained, that it's not right to intervene in people's lives, unless for justified reasons. In China, the state has no qualms about that."
HeySteve: there is such a notion, not shared by the state
punkman: a commodity, security, currency, whatever each USG entity needs to call it in order to pretend they have authority over it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20117 @ 0.00075074 = 15.1026 BTC [-]
mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
☟︎ mats: it is literally checkers
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☟︎ pete_dushenski: 'justitia omnibus' being the motto of the district of columbia !
pete_dushenski: "ust being acquainted with the laws and following them is sometimes insufficiently." << random ukr 'legal services' co. has it right.
pete_dushenski: Foreigners and citizens of Ukraine, who want to visit Lviv should know that the officials of militia, the customs service and other law-enforcement bodies not always follow the law. " << sounds like usistan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67085 @ 0.00075111 = 50.3882 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu:
http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:41; mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 04:44:54; mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 07:05:20; BingoBoingo: Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age
funkenstein_: what distro is that? i've never seen that screen
pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith @Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 9/The expansionist imperial period of 1930-45 was Japan's greatest heyday of power and prestige. It was also a period of great dynamism." << because the history of the world started in 1900 because that's all they taught us in social studies class in high school !
punkman: funkenstein_: "can't defend himself, therefore has no value" "obese because can or something like that" << this is not a good way to argue
punkman: funkenstein_: yes I'm talking about how you are making this point
funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith @Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 8/Japan is not traditionally a fascist country - or even a very centralized one. But collective memory doesn't go much past 1930." << my eyes are not bleeding. thx twitter. thx 'economists'.
pete_dushenski: for cereal, why do i do this to myself ? why read this garbage ?
funkenstein_: I'm also trying to help straighten out which lines of reasoning can be fruitful and which are dead ends
funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, how did this guy piss you off so much? :D
funkenstein_: lol, so just general idiocy or did he hit a particularly sensitive spot?
pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
☟︎ shinohai: retweeted danielpbarron 's tweet for ya pete_dushenski funny writeup :D
pete_dushenski: the sensitive spot is that i'm guilty of trying to make sense of his insanity
pete_dushenski: i'm apparently a sucker for punishment and noah serves it up on a silver platter
pete_dushenski: i must not have enough to do in a day to find myself stooping to such levels
pete_dushenski: watch, i'll have a half-dozen spawn just to block out this idiot noise from 'economists'
shinohai: Everyone that has ever used a cloned shitcoin is an "economist" now
funkenstein_: anyway, nice piece you wrote from the trenches. someone had to do it.
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pete_dushenski: “These analyses reveal a consistent pattern: Treasury auction yields were artificially high (and prices correspondingly low),” according to the complaint. “Defendants then turned around and sold the Treasuries at higher prices (and correspondingly lower yields) in the secondary markets, reaping substantial profits.”
Pierre_Rochard: manager insisted copy/pasting all day > programming for a few hours. So that didn’t last long
Pierre_Rochard: now enjoying a sabbatical, learning C++ so I can finally ~understand the bitcoin blackbox
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mats: 2015 Ig Nobel Prize winners.
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: so 'alternative' means anything but eh
pete_dushenski: or only applies to 'investment' and not funds or software
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pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: actually seems more valuable than 'social sciences' in hindsight
punkman: "Crypto keys leak, loss and theft happens, but disclosure of passphrase like Assange's to journo to book for State cables a classic PR ploy."
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 15:04:52; asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google.
pete_dushenski: 566 mhz intel celeron, 64 mb ram, 15 gb hd, winbloze 98
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 15:14:51; pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
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ascii_field recalls reading this, and thinking that it does not rise to a 'solution'
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: aka 'look what we spent bezzle talking about'
mats: at the suggestion of an acquaintance, am re-reading 'A Fire Upon the Deep'
mats: acquaintance noted that vinge had an idea that predates 'the cult of langsec'
mats: that is: translation to an intermediate language with low expressive power, then back to whatever's parsed by original recipient,as a means of avoiding pwnage by a powerful adversary
ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
☟︎ ascii_field: the yarn had some imaginative and perhaps even good ideas, this was not one of these
mats: well, as you like to remind so often, x86 ain't everything there is.
ascii_field: no but the basic idea of turning a high-level message into incomprehensible ground beef
ascii_field: (the actual result of translating from more-expressive language to a less-)
mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
☟︎ ascii_field: program verification is 1) provably unsolvable in the general case 2) to the extent it adds complexity and overall logical mass and subtracts from fit-in-head-ability, it is ~an evil~
mats: yes, and if you reject a inputs outside of a defined set of formal-izable grammars, the more constrained the model and subsequently greater approachability towards program verification
ascii_field: it is certainly both possible and useful in narrow cases. see the ada threads
ascii_field: but as an overall panacea, it is a usgism.
mats: how conspiratorial.
ascii_field: mats: i don't know where you are posting from, but on my planet we recently saw astonishingly brazen clandestine techno-diddlatrons blown wide open.
ascii_field: mats: we are also bedeviled by pseudoscientific academitards who push them as 'security research'
BingoBoingo: Actual security research takes the form "X barrier can resist breach by thermal lance at Y intensity for Z minutes"
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mats: USG is a fount of grants for certain fields, computer security is one of those blessed. consideration of all USG research as poisoned fruit is your prerogative, but for me, extraordinary and specific claims require extraordinarily specific evidence. like someone diddling an IR parser.
ascii_field: mats: it isn't even that 'don't use the work of dr. x., it will kill you'
ascii_field: but that overall DIRECTIONS of research that are given support by usg in past decade are specifically counterproductive
ascii_field: e.g., the push for movement from rsa to ecc
ascii_field: accompanied by unsubstantiated claims of 'equivalence' between long rsa and short ecc key 'hardnesses'
ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
☟︎ ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: anyways mats, whatever they're paying you, you're definitely dancing hard enough for it.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc mats admitted to merely ~wishing~ to be bought
mats: yes, this is all well and good, but we were talking about IR parsers
pete_dushenski: 'careful what you wish for, you just might get it' (tm) (r)
ascii_field: hygiene does pointedly ~not~ mean 'we must inspect every roadkill for edible bits'
mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
☟︎ ascii_field: mats: i pointedly do not care whether or by whom you were (or like to be) bought
ascii_field: my statement concerned heuristics for what intellectual pursuits are worth bothering with, given limited resource
mats: then i suppose I'll conclude with disagreeing this is an unworthy area of research.
ascii_field: thing is, brain cycles worth half a damn are scarce.
ascii_field: usg has a very effective program for soaking them up
ascii_field: on items GUARANTEED not to result in serious dings to 'nothing is beyond our reach' (e.g., full techno-lustration silicon and upwards)
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
☟︎ ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nah that's mainly panem et circenses
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well that and taking a portion of hungry people and redirecting their worry so they burn themselves down instead of burning the whole show
ascii_field: from usg's point of view, ANYTHING is better than having folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-checking-on-all-ops and fits-in-head
mats: well, if you ever decide to describe why 'langsec' et al. is a waste of time, i'd love to read it. you too, pete_dushenski.
mats: waste of time, like whether and how advancement of formal languages for security is useful, or keeping input grammars regular whenever possible, verifiale parser, ...
ascii_field: mats: note that i did not say 'waste of time'
ascii_field: if pursued as pure mathematics, it can be a mildly respectable thing.
mats: i am generally interested in these things because i like knowing about whether a given abstraction kills particular techniques
ascii_field: it is not an uninteresting subject. just as, say, historical climate patterns are not uninteresting. but both would become considerably more intellectually respectable if all of the current academic practitioners of each were to be shot.
mats: now we're getting somewhere. which 'langsec' authors have a funny smell?
mats: what papers smell funny?
punkman: "LANGSEC posits that the only path to trustworthy software that takes untrusted inputs is treating all valid or expected inputs as a formal language, and the respective input-handling routines as a recognizer for that language."
punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
☟︎ ascii_field: this is fundamentally an example of what i was talking about.
ascii_field: deceive people into failing to so much suspect that the root of their probems can be dealt with, without telling any lies in the usual sense of the word.
ascii_field: this is not 'ordered from above' in the naive way imagined by hecklers of 'conspiratorial' matters
ascii_field: instead, it is baked into the 'firmware' of academia as a thing.
ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
☟︎ mats: well, just a thought here, functional programming looks like a better path forward than ada, if only because its easier to automate
mats: automating formal analyses
ascii_field: mats: i ~like~ functional programming, understand.
ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
☟︎ ascii_field: and the data structures popular among 'functionality' aficionados are not physically possible, but instead are clunkily emulated ('immutability') with actual ones
ascii_field: mats: for instance, i like 'ml' (language.) but i will not close my eyes to the fact that garbage collector is a cross-process info leaker.
ascii_field: my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that fits-in-head.
ascii_field: and yes, i guess, being concerned with the number of intellectual 'cpu cycles' needed to fully grasp the ~implementation~ of the language and the machine under it - makes me a t3rr0r1st11111
mats: i research what folks are doing to incrementally raise the cost of attack, because there is interesting work being done there, this is where the money is, and we are all living with various design decisions that can't be undone at low cost.
mats: and obviously systems that can provably prevent things from happening are preferable...
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ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
☟︎ punkman: mats: I'm all for langsec and chipsec and whatever other brand they come up with, but I don't see anyone getting anywhere
mats: EMET's mitigations don't look good. and don't obviously categorically defeat classes of bugs.
mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
☟︎ mats: i read the logs sometimes.
ascii_field: understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-proving, data flow analysis, etc. except in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for fits-in-head simplicity~.
ascii_field: anyone who proposes one, directly or by implication, is (whether he knows it or not) committing pseudointellectual flimflammery in the service of hitler.
mats: punkman: have you read any of the papers?
ascii_field: i ~like~ the idea of 'this quicksort will provably not overstep its bounds.' but much better is ~this quicksort can as easily overstep its bounds as my car can start itself and drive to alaska'
ascii_field: and the ultimate litmus test for whether a proposed security mechanism is usgistic: 'does this item INCREASE - or DECREASE - the amount of complexity present in the system, for which i must defer to someone's authority to determine whether it does what was promised ?'
punkman: mats, probably above my paygrade, but I'll have a look at them
ascii_field: e.g., it is good and well to have, g.g., a hindley milner type inference system, or theorem prover,
ascii_field: but now i have to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK
ascii_field: expecting me to just swallow 100MB of whateverthefuck source, WON'T FLY
ascii_field: likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil.
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mats: so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field
mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
☟︎ ascii_field: i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future
punkman: mats, discuss away, why not
mats: dunno that anyone even cares, now
mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
☟︎ trinque: mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
punkman: mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver?
ascii_field: my views re: 'let's do pm' are roughly similar to those of mircea_popescu.
punkman: "You should have a bunch of feelings when using computers. Excitement. Pride. Delight. Amazement. Curiousity. Yes, even frustration and anger. But you generally should not feel despair. You should not be feeling desperation. You really shouldn’t."
punkman: "An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do."
pete_dushenski: "The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek
punkman: how the hell do they detect that
punkman: I mean the emissions testing
pete_dushenski: either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008
kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
☟︎ kakobrekla: dunno really, seems kinda sketchy to me
ascii_field: kakobrekla: sounds like an ordinary exhaust turbocharger, no ?
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kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
☟︎ punkman: "The emerging subgenre of climate fiction"
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mats: unless I am misunderstanding your question.
mats: i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions
mats: and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job
ascii_field: btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo.
mircea_popescu: the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded.
ascii_field: but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why)
ascii_field: iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes
punkman: mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www?
ascii_field: the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload'
ascii_field: the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem.
mircea_popescu: specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate".
mircea_popescu: it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits
mircea_popescu: however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits.
ascii_field: if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk
mircea_popescu: basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng".
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate.
ascii_field: obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead
mircea_popescu: the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD.
mats: punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right?
mircea_popescu: the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand"
ascii_field: it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards
mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
☟︎ ascii_field: what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.
ascii_field: and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win
mircea_popescu: so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed.
mircea_popescu: (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard)
ascii_field: presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key.
mircea_popescu: so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward.
ascii_field: (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it)
TheButterZone: so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman
mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it.
mircea_popescu: you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it.
jurov throws his bottle to kakobrekla
assbot: you get what you pay for!
mircea_popescu: people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail.
TheButterZone: unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co
mircea_popescu: As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers"
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
mircea_popescu: moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle...
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
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mircea_popescu: funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
mircea_popescu: i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... (
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mircea_popescu: THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth!
mircea_popescu: every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood.
mircea_popescu: REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014
mircea_popescu: MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children.
mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
mircea_popescu: (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
mircea_popescu: to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity.
punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
☟︎ punkman: (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there)
mircea_popescu: actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
mircea_popescu: program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate.
mircea_popescu: this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back".
mircea_popescu: tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points.
mircea_popescu: thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
mircea_popescu: e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items.
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.
mircea_popescu: so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless.
mircea_popescu: they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men.
mircea_popescu: so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time.
mircea_popescu: (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.)
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
mircea_popescu: utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
mircea_popescu: and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday.
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mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?"
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
mircea_popescu: remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control.
mircea_popescu: i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach.
cazalla: if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves
btcdrak: as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand.
btcdrak: ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014...
mircea_popescu: dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
cazalla: a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset
mircea_popescu: it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner.
mircea_popescu: there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger.
cazalla: asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay
mircea_popescu: (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.
mircea_popescu: i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible.
mircea_popescu: i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~.
mircea_popescu: since when did "human life" become your highest value ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
punkman: all roads lead to rewriting gpg
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
mircea_popescu: once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical.
mircea_popescu: ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark.
mircea_popescu: but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal.
mircea_popescu: i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere.
mircea_popescu: here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
mircea_popescu: think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in.
mircea_popescu: their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway.
mircea_popescu: see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem.
mircea_popescu: yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement,
BingoBoingo: Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too
mircea_popescu: deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno.