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assbot: Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00063264 = 3.5428 BTC [+]
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.11998 BTC. Current weight: 85,892.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6171 @ 0.00062792 = 3.8749 BTC [-]
assbot: Real estate tycoon Larry Glazer, wife were aboard plane that crashed near Jamaica - NY Daily News
kakobrekla: hrm, if he is really a mole he is doing a terribly poor job :(
Apocalyptic: "i.e. just turn on either the microphone/speakers or monitor/webcam to read and communicate with the cardano)?" you gotta be kidding me...
Apocalyptic: who in their right mind would favour such a thing
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ThickAsThieves: <+TheNewDeal> ThickAsThieves any foia response? // None reported.
ThickAsThieves: At this point I don't care, as it wouldn't really affect the market price to find out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00062668 = 7.9588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00062512 = 17.3158 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform has seen this said about more than one obscure natural language, it always seems to be a reflection of the linguist's ineptitude, in practice. << quite. it's not true of inuit languages any more it's true of russian.
mircea_popescu: so you have to specify the gender of the teacup in some contexts. does not equate to "speaker can not make ambiguous statements"
mircea_popescu: this is not the case in any natural language, poetry exists anywhere.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform>
http://www.mekanizmalar.com/desmodromics.html << i read desdemona in there for some reason, which reminds me of a story. picture youthful mp at maly, for a staging of othello, in russian. now, bearin in mind that in romanian "zdreanta" means rag or figuratively whore, picture youthful mp hearing a very decided othello burst out "davai zdreanta, desdiemona!!1" and go into incontrollable peels of laughter
assbot: Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00062553 = 12.0727 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4831 @ 0.00062099 = 3 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.55600627 BTC. Current weight: 39,112.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0006 = 7.68 BTC [-]
assbot: We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband reveals incendiary plan as Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll | Mail Online
assbot: CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00060069 = 31.6564 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11975 @ 0.00059784 = 7.1591 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: 17-Year-Old Catches 693-Pound Swordfish off Florida Coast | Bleacher Report
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 8k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276487.09 in 1375 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 702.47 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
atcbot: 8k@260 2k@245 35k@221 | 12k@205 85k@198 6k@194
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 1.56M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00059987 = 5.1289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.0006015 = 10.436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50541 @ 0.0006015 = 30.4004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00060243 = 5.0303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00060269 = 14.9768 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00060214 = 2.0172 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 481.89, Best ask: 481.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 481.93, 24 hour volume: 2712.17222932, 24 hour low: 478.4, 24 hour high: 485.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.38721431
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 422 @ 0.00365223 = 1.5412 BTC [-]
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assbot: $100k Peter Thiel Fellowship Awarded to Ethereum's Vitalik Buterin
mircea_popescu: "Thiel stressed the need for his programme while expressing optimism about what this year’s class could achieve"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i nearly had my radio show in romanian a few years ago.
ThickAsThieves: well considering your Howard Stern similarities, it's a shame it didnt happen
mircea_popescu: in very winchell fashion i insisted the contract include an indemnity clause tho, and well... fell through.
mircea_popescu: romanians are neither very litigious nor is the local fcc very tough, but to make up for it ro publishers are very very poor.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i'd have listened to it. the shit we talk about with the slavegirls alone would make an hour of excellent show pretty much daily.
ThickAsThieves: seattle and potland were nice, seattle seems to be very healthy
mircea_popescu: anyway, once ethereum cracks open thiel being interviewed for his complicity in propping the scam will become a prerequsite for any further discussions re collaboration of bitcoin authorities with us authorities.
ThickAsThieves: i heard rumors thiel sent a rep to scout Neo, i guess he dodged that one
BingoBoingo: Aquent: You wouldn't happen to be Thiel by any chance?
ThickAsThieves: "Whenever I see that Thiel is giving away money, I get the goosebumps. How comes that he is always mentioned in connection with PayPal, but almost never in connection with Palantir, Prism, NSA and CIA?"
mircea_popescu: fucking us oligarchs will end up with bitcoin community interdictions at this rate
mircea_popescu: until their regime starts fucking conforming to international law.
assbot: Alibaba: Biggest IPO By Market Value of All Time - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: thatll be fun, my guess is all the other tech stocks will suffer
assbot: BitBet - Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day :: 1.63 B (64%) on Yes, 0.92 B (36%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 42`661 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00060288 = 21.6132 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.69195104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 408 satoshi per share
assbot: CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters
assbot: Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson selling team - ESPN
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves 5 before back to 8 or w/e it does ? /// i think i figured out exactly what it does actually
ThickAsThieves: basically the bot is pegged to a certain conversion value for a specific amount of btc
ThickAsThieves: the idea being the bot assumes MPOE is worth 80,000btc
mircea_popescu: but if it assumes x btc worth and shares trade in btc it should be stuck at 8
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no one said != no one remembered. ppls remember :)
mircea_popescu: cheap whores aren't given expensive prizes for a very good reason
mircea_popescu: that is, if you give them too much money it makes them stupid.
mircea_popescu: give them a little now and a little later they'll be sucking the c0k and doing a good job of it for years.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened.
mircea_popescu: i could prolly write a book of psychoantropology on the topic, but sadly it'd be rather incomprehensible in english without a ton of notes which kinda ruin the whole thing, and for 5 romanians able to read and write it's scarcely worth the year o' work.
thestringpuller: you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars
mircea_popescu: actually maybe you should write the book, except in russian. larger market.
mircea_popescu: good thing to do in prison, you know ? as it's requiring memory-only, no tools.
mircea_popescu: i dun think much of the concept of everyone being able to have their "own" car
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the original copy-paste point : i feel like i could practically translate my romanian articles mocking the romanian "press" and its associated "blogosphere" word for word, just substitute names.
mircea_popescu: you think i write complicatedly, try morley for a spin
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars /// i cant stand driving and all the stuff about cars other than that they get me places
mircea_popescu: i can't stand sucking cock either doesn't mean i hate blowjobs. what's driving to do with it.
ThickAsThieves: my wife is the one that gets new cars, i get the hand-me-downs. yesterday i was positing that i should just sell mine and take cabs or uber or whatever everywhere
mircea_popescu: it works splendidly here. i guess depends on the cab quality
ThickAsThieves: i thought i did too, seems to merely be an observation for now
assbot: This is How a 10-Year-Old Boy With Autism is Treated in a Police State | The Free Thought Project
mircea_popescu: "Currently the leadership of the House of Savoy is contested by two cousins: Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, who used to claim the title of King of Italy, and Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, who still claims the title of the Duke of Savoy. Their rivalry has not always been peaceful — on May 21, 2004, following a dinner held by King Juan Carlos I of Spain on the eve of the wedding of his son Felipe, Prince of Astur
mircea_popescu: ias, Vittorio Emanuele punched Amedeo twice in the face."
thestringpuller: This problem has to do with society.s dependence upon state sanctioned force to solve problems.
mircea_popescu: i don't see much in that. so some asshole kid thinks himself special, got roughed up in the slightest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00059994 = 8.9991 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: i just saw an turbo charged e30 that puts ~450hp to the wheels
mircea_popescu: you know i lived there just fine w/o driving or owning a car.
mircea_popescu: but they had a towncar service that would basically go anywhere.
mircea_popescu: well not that many. maybe guatemala and assimilated shitholes.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is a fixed cost, whether or not it moves << this isn't true
thestringpuller: the cost is always depreciating especially if it doesn't move
artifexd: If anybody is curious, I know why MPOE is falling.
artifexd: The reason is simple: I bought some.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh yes in that sense! i was thinking of how there is an increasing cost to keep the car moving
jurov: oh there's mandatory car insurance in the us, too? so sooooocialist!
mircea_popescu: jurov look, if you let poor people drive, there's no way to not have mandatory insurance.
mircea_popescu: just because it's practically inconvenient doesn't make it less the correct solution.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this convention, like all things man made, is attendant on it being possible.
mircea_popescu: if they can't have had so agreed, they in fact didn't so agree.
mircea_popescu: it creates the POSSIBILITY of it asciilifeform. not the actuiality and not really the obligaiton.
mircea_popescu: much like cellars create the possibility of very uncomfortable sleep in the dank darkness.
mircea_popescu: want me to tell you the story of my recent adventure with a cute little fuzzball ?
mircea_popescu: so last autumn i was living in a recently developped residential area - i guess what would be a gated community in the us, except romanians don't gate.
mircea_popescu: for centuries prior, that land had been - how do you call fields cultrivated with hay ?
mircea_popescu: something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: so i know it's a mouse, right ? and so i get a large bowl, and tape some floss to a pack of ciggs. put some cheese under the propper bowl and get back to chatting.
mircea_popescu: a little later, the guy is caught, of course. so i put him in a large glass jar with a metal lid, after punching some holes with a screwdriverr in that lid.
mircea_popescu: and i get a good look at the guy, you know ? after all, this had been his land for a long long time, generations of his forefathers had hunted for hayseeds and whatnot on complicated , traditional walk patters all over the field of my garden
mircea_popescu: what did he do ? he kept jumping. trying to push the lid off with his tiny nose. ding-ding-ding-ding
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the lid was you know, on a thread for crying out loud. and since i punched the holes from outside, notwithstanding that there were jagged shards of metal pointing his way, which he could i guess sorta- avoid. tho he mostly looked to be jumping blindly.
mircea_popescu: eventually i was oh enough of this shit, and so put the vessel on its side.
mircea_popescu: instead, it kept trying to chew sheet metal with it's truely tiny, half mm in width teeth.
mircea_popescu: the animal's desire of freedom properly surpassed any consideration of self preservation.
mircea_popescu: which is why i eventually stood up from my fucking work, took it to a vacant field further down and let it be.
mircea_popescu: now - the point here being that a correct set of priorities will in fact move mountains, and my work at my computer as compared in any perspective to a mouse's activities is mountaineous.
mircea_popescu: so : let them fucking die trying. you can't live where you are ? walk to where you can live.
mircea_popescu: it's also why i tend to be suspicious of people that despise animals. generally it's the sign they're not as intellectually respectable as the average field mouse.
mircea_popescu: when they start with the "we're not animals" bits, i tend to glaze over and think "no, you're not, are you".
BingoBoingo: Maybe asciilifeform has the actual NIMH rats
mircea_popescu: lol this here is the premise of a decent speculative spy fiction story
mircea_popescu: usg makes mechanical spy rat, person catches it because well, it doesn't properly batallion
mircea_popescu: you know, this was the first mice i've seen in a decade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice that he could have just resisted the glass jar through culture.
assbot: Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: except the romanian "intellectuals" and for that matter the zeks got no dope.
mircea_popescu: no, dope doesn't enter into it. all that's required is the proposition that surviving today is more important than living well.
mircea_popescu: something of which mice are malignantly made the figurehead of. they are not.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00059946 = 7.1935 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: tractoritza lol. that's exactly how you'd say it in romanian.
mircea_popescu: in romanian comedienne is formed as the diminutive. comediette.
cazalla: nothing like someone using a chainsaw at 3am to wake you up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thus doctor - doctorita. literally, little-she doctor.
cazalla: asciilifeform, would be nice but they're cutting down trees
cazalla: chainsaw wakes me but baby never does, just the wife, she is still sleeping, didn't hear chainsaw
mircea_popescu: clearly you're tuned for machinery and she's tuned to babies.
cazalla: i've read that before, i assume because the fathers need sleep to hunt the next day
assbot: Zeroing buffers is insufficient
mircea_popescu: i came back to say "wait, that's only part of the story"
jurov: i got an idea about virtualization - i foubt any hypervisor erases SSE registers betweeen guests
jurov: (not mentioned in tfa at all, fo course)
mircea_popescu: "decided to sanitize his stack by zeroing until he triggered a page fault" this in particular does nothing.
mircea_popescu: the problem is unresolvable : without cryptographically verified multi-user ability, there is no way to run crypto on shared system.
jurov: he's writing about registers, not memory.. but then, on one side they get wiped on context switch
mircea_popescu: how to make an os that behaves "provalby fair", for that matter, ios still very much an open question
jurov: on other side, they get saved into..memory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. ie, that you can cryptographically verify that no other user can read your space, ever, at all.
jurov: you are prolly talking about cpu that guarantees no unencrypoted data leaves its internal cache?
mircea_popescu: in principle you should be able to define an object whose malleability allows enough functions to work so as to be turing-complete.
mircea_popescu: jurov no. i am talking about an os that only processes encrypted data.
mircea_popescu: but ideally - while i can live without running a webserver off this - i still want to have bash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27706 @ 0.00060102 = 16.6519 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Consider the "XMM" registers on the x86 architecture: They will only be used by the SSE family of instructions, which is not widely used in most applications — so once a value is stored in one of those registers, it may remain there for a long time. One of the rare instances those registers are used by cryptographic code, however, is for AES computations, using the "AESNI" instruction set.
jurov: mircea you know of any crypto that doesn't need registers?
mircea_popescu: jurov im pretty sure it all does, but they don';t all have to be xmm via aesni
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "no one" ? yes, one. the machine may force you to whether you want to or not.
jurov: xmm registers aren't anything exceptional. os saves them into memory on context switch like everything else
mircea_popescu: jurov the discussion was as to how often they get overwritten
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you're thinking of the case where you compile your thing and install it as bytecode. i was thinking of the case where you compile locally.
mircea_popescu: It gets worse. Nearly every AES implementation using AESNI will leave two values in registers: The final block of output, and the final round key. The final block of output isn't a problem for encryption operations — it is ciphertext, which we can assume has leaked anyway — but for encryption an AES-128 key can be computed from the final round key, and for decryption the final round key is the AES-128 key. (For AES
☟︎ mircea_popescu: -192 and AES-256 revealing the final round key provides 128 bits of key entropy.)
mircea_popescu: i guess the author doesn't realise it or something, but this lays bare a much used, fundamental, very valuable exploit of aes.
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense. here's a simpler approach : every time a new value is loaded into sse register append it to a special buffer. buffer gets dumped in return for any packet headed so sent to port so.
assbot: Loper OS » Mechanics of FLUXBABBITT.
mircea_popescu: afaik that's exactly what he wants : to inflate the categories.
mircea_popescu: if he can get paid to listen to rsa keys buyt then for "technical reasons" can make that baloon 10x,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0005989 = 20.4225 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: im sure thiel will give 100k prizes to whoever came up with the brilliant idea of a wait, no. they don't need it.
assbot: The Open Source Tool That Lets You Send Encrypted Emails to Anyone | Enterprise | WIRED
mircea_popescu: "encrypt" your emails to everyone. it's good for the emails and ok for you!
bitstein: Loved your post on usability, btw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.12773454 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Manna, Chapter 1, by Marshall Brain
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is this "fast food employee tries to parlay his work experience into a novel, because write what you know" ?
decimation: re: lithium batteries << yes the conventional solution is a spring-clip style battery holder if one can't spot-weld lead to device
decimation: asciilifeform: but the chinese factory saved several cents!
decimation: not that it really matters anyway, because their production is subsidized by the prc, and the purchaser is subsidized by usg
decimation: Re: Thiel working with usg << I can't imagine anyone running a 'bank' or 'bank-like' service and not being a spy for usg, it's the law yo
mircea_popescu: but as far as i recall, it was a serious source of friction between the third reich gauleiters and eastern european nobility, that the latter despised the former on the grounds of... well... this, exactly.
mircea_popescu: obviously since we're speaking of germany, an east european power par excellence, these were often the same people.
mircea_popescu: hence hitler's constant suspicions of being betrayed by teh heer
mircea_popescu: one can only wonder how the us would have fared had it not turned socialist in 1930.
mircea_popescu: fdr had scarcely the secessionist excuses of lincoln to fuck the country up. without his lame contribution, it'd have stayed in one piece, but perhaps may have survived the 21st century.
decimation: re: hitler < the "old right" nobility and "old republican-style" conservatives in germany gave Hitler control after his party won a minority share because they thought they could 'control him'
assbot: German federal election, November 1932 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2190 @ 0.00040521 = 0.8874 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Warning to the World: Washington and its NATO & EU Vassals are Insane -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0006025 = 1.5063 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: oh, no, it's just that putin i mean roberts "does not understand how the world works"
decimation: Imagine if the us were at war with mexico, and russia was openly contemplating sending troops/planes/whatever to the mexican border. people in the us would go apeshit
mircea_popescu: "The American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army collapsed under Russian counterattack in 5 hours."
decimation: asciilifeform: one can see a copy hanging in the nsa museum as I recall
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, the russian foreign service is quite active in the fringe of the us discourse. orlov, roberts, there's a list with these talking points.
assbot: National Cryptologic Museum - NSA/CSS
mircea_popescu: He was a prime minister of Denmark who saw he could rise beyond Denmark by serving as Washington’s puppet. As prime minister he strongly supported Washington’s illegal invasion of Iraq, declaring that “we know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Of course, the fool didn’t know any such thing, and why would it matter if Iraq did have such weapons. Many countries have weapons of mass destructi
mircea_popescu: isn't it funny how global-warming this sounds ? "we know there is anthropogenic bla bla"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have any issue with anything in that piece either, but this isn't the criteria. the form specifically is what one uses to identify these things.
decimation: To me, mature adults could sit down and hash this stuff out "yes, you can have east Ukraine in exchange for helping us keep a lid on the crazy islams down in the middle east"
mircea_popescu: decimation the russians are unable to do anything in the middle east, as proven by their fabulous failures in afghanistan and cecenia. what's worse, they know this, and won't bargain for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. they like to pretend like they are, much like the 11 yo child of a man who keeps fighting dogs pretends to be the master of said dogs for the benefit of any visiting classmates.
decimation: I guess as an american far away from everything I would vastly prefer russian hegemony over asia than crazy islam rule, but somehow my 'leaders' see things differently
mircea_popescu: it really makes no difference. no matter his hair color, a married man is a married man. and so no matter the "ideology", whoever is stuck administering two billion people over ten million acres is similarly caught.
mircea_popescu: they'll do exactly what they can get away with, and no more.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the reason that then the coke and the pepsi must bid for my allegiance
mircea_popescu: much in the way mpex has no home unless some territory with pretentions of statality makes an excellent offrt
mircea_popescu: kinda how the holy roman emperor got ground into dust.
decimation: mircea_popescu: and that's my point, for purely practical reasons alone, one would think that the 'married men' who have to deal with reality would prefer a power that has a track record of at least keeping a lid on the crazies at home and showing up to the diplomacy table with things in order
mircea_popescu: decimation nope. in general, sane people would prefer the alternative. perpetually.
mircea_popescu: these people who use that terminology SAY petro war, but ONLY because in their cluelessness the petro- stands for the symbol you correctly use.
mircea_popescu: ie, you both mean the same thing. if you allow oil to stand for the "root" account of the world, then yes it's petro-war.
jurov: <asciilifeform> because i have no quarrel with anything in that piece - imho, entirely factual. << did anyone confirmed kiev started by murdering civilians?
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decimation: under this petro-war theory, is the us trying to keep russian oil out of the world market? to the detriment of the us?
jurov: ascii says it's "factual"... so i'm asking about the facts
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea is for russian oil to be sold in the manner of oil owned by the us. it doesn't matter who gets paid, as long as the "pay" is in accounts run by thiel, and it all follows kyc etc.
mircea_popescu: same exact play as they're currently trying and failing re bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: jurov ah yea. well, i agreed with his "it's factual", but i never took an absolute view of this factuality. just, as far as it's worth determining, yeah, that's what it was.
decimation: jurov: are you referring to those who were shot while rioting in Kiev?
jurov: as opposed to "great russia"
jurov: ascii, you're so incredibly one sided
jurov: russians are orcs, as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the beef with the polish-ukrainian confederacy ? just as actual.
mircea_popescu: whether they're well organised or not presently has no bearing on whether they at all exist.
jurov: donetsk republic are muppets, too
jurov: putins wants strelkov out? okay, off he goes
mircea_popescu: which... whatever, just how well they actually exist is reasonably unclear to me. how does slovakia exist or so forth
mircea_popescu: jurov supposedly russia refused them union or somesuch.
jurov: just waiting till it "becomes" inevitable
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is somewhat like saying billy jean does not have the strength or will to form famblies - he merely fucks.
jurov: asciilifeform "satellite state" says you something?
mircea_popescu: the fact that they were historically more accomplished russians than the muscovy, and earlier so ?
decimation: I guess putin isn't happy with having a 'near abroad' anymore
jurov: so putin should give kurils to japan too
jurov: the people there want to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with "real" conquest is that it sounds a lot like "let me just put the tip in". what do you mean "real".
decimation: certainly no one is selling allodial rights to anything these days
mircea_popescu: this happens to be a great thing, it's why mafias are better administrators than constitutions.
mircea_popescu: "At what point will the Russian government decide that Washington’s mendacity, and that of its European puppets and corrupt Western media, render hopeless Russia’s efforts to resolve the situation with diplomacy and unprovocative behavior? "
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously. the propaganda war is a propaganda war.
mircea_popescu: this is like asking "how long will a chess player tolerate the other's crafty artfulness"
mircea_popescu: it is the curse of the contemporary postmodern world that most jobs are done by amateurs.
mircea_popescu: these fuckwits couldn't qualify for a driver job for the classic propaganda spinners of a century ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform join the crowd that has similar doubts about you know... bush's election.
decimation: it is interesting how russian propaganda took a noticeable right-wing turn sometime around 5 years ago
mircea_popescu: who's about to invade the us on account of you know, it botching the bush election ?
mircea_popescu: and conversely, once i'm about to invade the us, you can bet your sweet ass it will be to rectify ancient evils
decimation: someone in the russian intel service decided that the 'useful idiots' on the left weren't so useful anymore
mircea_popescu: people once allowed free markets turn their ideas against the us idiocy.
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decimation: because they always choose the alternative right?
mircea_popescu: which is why free markets are so important, and why "regulated" us-style so pernicious.
mircea_popescu: but also you know, many things that constitute th "reasonable" for they locked up into a tower / locked up into a 12yo body / locked away in that early phase of sleep melt away as ridiculous once the full mind is awake
mircea_popescu: i mean i clearly recall ths experience where i was falling asleep, and my through process in the remainder part of the brain was "oh my god what if i don't know how to open the door anymore"
mircea_popescu: now- this is exactly the thought process of your run of the mill us citizen, or otherwise socialist derp.
mircea_popescu: "must has the state for i can't open the fucking door"
mircea_popescu: but once some experience with doors is gained... well... lol. ok nm, moving on to saner approaches.
mircea_popescu: this is the life of the "theoretician", ie, the guy living in an artificial environment surviving on "grants", and of the child (the prototype of all contemporary scientists - he writes grant applications for to study the new xbox)
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a good story about that in the podcast link I put up yesterday: "But even without Russ's lectures, people began to recognize the potential for the Tragedy of the Commons. And quite quickly formed Cattlemans' Associations--the kind of thing that Elinor Ostrom would, you know, love to talk about; and I've talked about it with her. Russ: These are voluntary restrictions on the use of resources, not government,
decimation: right? Guest: Government wasn't even a--close to Montana at the time these were formed, these were people saying, 'Gee, our cattle are mixing with one another and are breeding and maybe we don't want that. And if you put all your cattle where I put mine, there will be a tragedy of the commons.' "
decimation: ranchers in ungoverned lands just got together and figured out how to solve the problem of overgrazing/herd mixing, without any state involved
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mircea_popescu: armed ranchers. armed ranchers who weren'tfrom the ozarks, but had heard of the ozarks.
jurov: actually, does anyone knows how hunters and gatherers stumbled upon this horrid idea of having a state?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. it goes like this : if me and my friends meet you and your friends, we'll want to fight.
decimation: yeah they had a pretty close approximation to 'allodial rule'
jurov: if the former arrangement is superior, why does the history repeat?
mircea_popescu: if i have more friends than you, you're fucked, even if you may be better than me.
jurov: so... you're all dreaming of stuff that works only in sparsely populated land?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it works fine just as long as one has the upper hand.
mircea_popescu: and until such a time, one breaks the hands of the opposition and beats it over the head with them until rendered.
jurov: again, that works best on sparsely populated land
mircea_popescu: if "best" is defined specifically so as to favour that, sure.
mircea_popescu: if not, inamushc as it's the only thing that works, it works best anytime anywhere.
decimation: jurov: certainly a few hundred years ago the major population centers of europe were ruled in a 'non-populist' way
jurov: decimation dunno, in latin hungary there was always a struggle between a king and nobility
jurov: king had to be quite a populist
mircea_popescu: there's never going to be a solution for "all people", mind. what's at stake is for the solution to exist for the *right* people.
decimation: jurov: and I suspect that the solution was not to give every breathing biped a nanoslice of power
mircea_popescu: and gauleiters, or for that matter bureaucrats of any persuasion, can never be the right people.
jurov: decimation but they do have nanoslice of power regardless
decimation: jurov: that's true, they can always riot/subvert, etc, which ultimately puts a lid on the king's/noble's power
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decimation: but this usually doesn't end well for anyone ie Napoleon
xmj: if you guys want exposure to some fun,
xmj: look into "Aristocratic Egalitarianism"
xmj: and Propertarianism.
decimation: yeah sylla pretty much put an end to the 'old republic
mircea_popescu: decimation but importantly, on the sort of populist grounds contemplated here,
mircea_popescu: caesar is not much for an example. similarly napoleon, minus his pr, was not jacobin at all.
decimation: no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things
☟︎ decimation: of course one could also argue that the reason the french/roman aristocracy fell is because they sucked and had it coming
decimation: asciilifeform: but that's effectively a capitulation to the idea that the permanent state is a necessity when humans live 'at scale'
decimation: right but then the next king takes over (usually with a different style), not an outbreak of anarchy-capitalism or whatever
decimation: heh, as the jews say, if you take the king's shekels you take the king's shackles
jurov: xmj from propertarianism.com "Flourishing requires that we suppress free riding in all its forms." << who decides about free riding and who's gonna supress it?
xmj: they have that elaborated there too
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. to me, rule under a wise king/baron/whatever is much more likely to approach their 'libertarian' ideals than statelessness
jurov: it seems to me as some kkind of ultracalvinism... without religious adherence to these principles whole thing falls apart
chetty: religion does have purpose
xmj: jurov: well it shouldn't
decimation: asciilifeform: as a Christian I find these 'godless anarcho-whatevers' to be amusing because they want to make usg into their god
xmj: jurov: ideally we'll come up with a set of self-perpetuating institutions.
chetty: people seem to need religion, they drop one, they invent another, by a different name ..greenies for instance
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decimation: asciilifeform: which is pretty much every adult who lives within 30 miles of you :)
xmj: decimation: 300 miles, too
chetty: kinda waste of effort to hate an idea
xmj: even 500miles, if you'd walk that far
decimation: I suspect it's particularly obvious to anyone who lived in the ussr
chetty: the 'we' seems to be a bunch of very annoying bureaucrats
chetty: better move fast, the fences are going up
chetty: yeah but lately they been adding some not so invisible barbed wire
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps if you can't move away from the reactor, your next 'defense' is to understand how it works so that you can predict 'danger'
chetty: asciilifeform, easy answer, the couch tv and potato chips are there
decimation: asciilifeform: in other words, invent an alternative reactor that doesn't suck?
chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed, and this is why you are making 'cardano' within a 30 minute drive of fort meade :)
chetty: yeah at least 2 lions can argue over the carcass and leave the mice alone. One lion gets greedy
jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen
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xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice.
decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte wire within the us
xmj: asciilifeform: ribbonfarm.com had a good article on that one
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xmj: about who's likely to use which way of changing things.
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decimation: whatever one says about nsa, it's clear that the 'we protect computers & networks' section hasn't been doing much for the past 30 years
chetty: decimation, sure they do stuff, just like the irs, they surf for porn
decimation: asciilifeform: that was the point of the blog:
http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << "Despite Nixon's capture of the presidency, he learned where real power lay. In Haldeman's "Ends of Power", he writes ...by 1971 Nixon had realized he was virtually powerless to deal with the bureaucracy in every department of thegovernment... Civil servants, almost all liberal Democrats, would thumb their noses at
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decimation: him. Washington insiders all acknowledge that the man who is still King in Washington has been dead for 32 years. Franklin D. Roosevelt's legacy lives on."
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mircea_popescu: xmj: they have that elaborated there too <<, they being a lone guy who flatters himself that he's going to "continue" things he scarcely understands, from a purely theoretical perspective. because this works now, and the ample supply of tims and culwicks is somehow not self-defeating.
xmj: thank god there's a lone guy judging another lone guy.
mircea_popescu: nice, but relativism doth not work merely because it would be convenient for it to.
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mircea_popescu: decimation samuel was in all likeliness a pre biblical wiseguy. so technically jahweh just copy-pasted.
Duffer1: looks like everyone they sent to is in WoT, but i don't see some of the bigger names from this chan
mircea_popescu: chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse << every excuse is respectable to the one guy whose respect matters you know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how << i certainly do not see such.
mircea_popescu: it was a very enjoyable experience to piss in the chalice in byzantium, looking forward to pissing i nthe chalice in rome.
jurov: stan apparently thinks ussr kept tejh us in check. now they're gone, usg destroys everything
mircea_popescu: jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen << tell more ?
mircea_popescu: jurov well they kept the us mentally in check, so to speak. they're muppets in the fields of kansas, the best they can do is "we're better than x", very limited meanness. once no more x, there isn't a good reason not to patriot act all over the bed. i suppose that's the strongest reading of that.
jurov: dunno, i just think the ussr eugenics program was overdone
mircea_popescu: xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. << how the fuck are the 70s old!
jurov: what else to call their management of the population?
xmj: exit or voice has been around forever.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm kinda curious of what you mean, cuz it doesn't seem much represented.
mircea_popescu: xmj it's hirschman's idea, and it has been around since forever in the sense of the 70s.
xmj: he may have been the one to put a name on it, the idea behind it has existed for millennia
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mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's resignation just passed. The myths around the Watergate scandal are many and deep. Like all bits of American history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth, but the official version looks shakier with each year. The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as our elected and unelected elite commit far more heinous acts and far greater
mircea_popescu: abuses of power. Members of his team bugged an office? Heh, how simple. Bug the world like Bush-Obama. I have always been intrigued by Nixon's rise, fall and return like a rock star set to politics, and this is my current take on a unified theory of Watergate."
mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense. let's write it about ted bundy now.
mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of Ted Bundy's conviction just passed. The myths (not really, but we can call things anything, right?) around the crimes and their prosecution are many and deep (no reference required here). Like all bits of American (spurious, this is true of all history, but hey, gotta pander to the reader's "sentiment") history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth (delibera
mircea_popescu: tely so), but the official version looks shakier with each year (by simple working of the poor quality of this kind of idiot's memory). The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as that guy in Belgium kept a girl in a basement or whatever, and that's how things work now, by comparison and recourse to derpmemory. Because we're living in fucking post-literate society among barbarians. Here is my very important fanon on
mircea_popescu: the topic please read it and care because I have nothing else."
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