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mircea_popescu: so looking at the shitcoins, "ethereum" switched with "ripple" YoY. hurr durr. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone remembers early 2015, "billion dollar market cap" ripple, millions "traded" a day and other flights of fancy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477796 << i installed an altogether silent one in february, but i can still hear the inductor sometimes. mega-disappointment. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 22:03 mircea_popescu: in other news i finally replaced a rather loud psu. life's good!
asciilifeform: magnetostriction is a bitch.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477797 << what i can't figure out is why they never talk. for srs, what does the schmuck have to lose now ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 22:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
deedbot: [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-april-2016-statement-2/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477813 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1415829 ? ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-26 03:53 mircea_popescu: yeah well. meanwhile at reality ranch, all contact sports have this phenomena, where people age out of it. it's natural. but they don't WANT out of it, because they fucking liked it. so they become radio commentators, referees, whatever they can find.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 23:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of sexual offal, why is it that all the marginal women ~nobody'd give the time of day imagine they "speak for all of us", ie, somehow represent femaleness an' womanhood ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I threw those in; I have to fix the tape between new deedbot and old (actual deed-related) code
mircea_popescu: a kk
mircea_popescu: doh
mircea_popescu: when you publish a report with the wrong month's title ';/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a fair point innit.
deedbot: [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), May 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-may-2016-statement/
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Christianity: The original socialism? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/06/christianity-the-original-socialism/
trinque: it's such an obvious strategy if you suck that looking for the "original" is a bit silly
mircea_popescu: i guess it is at that.
mircea_popescu: "Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: teh excellent gaming site, i guess.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski silicon is element 14, ~silicone~ is a type of synthetic rubber ! i can't even fathom how folks confuse the 2
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages then you're willing to send ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 02:08 mod6: phf: something that looks like this ^^ ok or helpful?
phf: mod6: if you want i can spec it out for you, but that's the direction i want to take my some miniserver, that i would put on top of my znc logs
asciilifeform: welcome back to old rusty planet3, phf
phf: i'm surprised the bot is still operational, but i guess that's how it goes
mircea_popescu: why surprised ?
phf: freenode being a bumpy place
mircea_popescu: bot's been fine.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475432 << i've used it, and the wukix people are responsive to feature requests. i think the source is a fork of one of kyoto common lisp derivatives, probably akcl. fwiw it's the same lineage as gcl and ecl, so ascii's "why not compile ecl" is entirely reasonable ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 04:15 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: any experience with "mocl"?
phf: they did a lot of work to ensure that things just work, so you put a couple of annotations in your lisp and can call those lisp functions from either android or ios. the two limitations is that you don't get an easy way to call from lisp back into native (at least that was the case when i tried it). the idea is that you write all your logic in lisp and use native exclusively as view. and second limitation is that built executable lacks compiler, s
phf: o no eval/compile.
phf: ben_vulpes: there's also http://www.lispworks.com/products/lw4mr.html but i haven't tried it yet
deedbot: [Trilema] My prophet and his fascinating prophecies - http://trilema.com/2016/my-prophet-and-his-fascinating-prophecies/
deedbot: [Qntra] Remains Of Hewlett Packard Go All In On Remains Of Syfy Franchise - http://qntra.net/2016/06/remains-of-hewlett-packard-go-all-in-on-remains-of-syfy-franchise/
BingoBoingo: Oh, related
asciilifeform: phf: iirc ecl is kyoto.
mod6: phf: ok thanks, i'll work on that.
BingoBoingo: Correction: Hewlett Packard Enterprise (TM)(R)
BingoBoingo: Correction to Correction: http://qntra.net/#fn3-5802
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: cheers.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ummm... that was the point.
pete_dushenski: mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc.
pete_dushenski: http://www.maxim.com/maxim-man/bikini-airline-vietnam-first-woman-billionaire-2016-3
pete_dushenski: i'd fly it.
pete_dushenski: in other news, "More than two-thirds of the Humvees the US supplied to Iraq to fight terrorists have ended up in the hands of Islamic State militants" which is like saying that 2/3 of chip foundries given to the chinese to fight inflation and unions are now being used for bitcoin terrorism. heh.
mircea_popescu: dude... how can anglotards be this dumb, seriously now.
pete_dushenski: i think it's genetic
mircea_popescu: "woman in vietnam sells airline - check out the bikinis". schmucks.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733 ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "The old man's daugther prayed God" << dunno if intentional spelling or not
mircea_popescu: daugthers better.
pete_dushenski: anyone else, i'd be reaming their incompetency, but mp has own dictionary that supersedes oxford, etc.
pete_dushenski: *reaming out
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477876 << 'make the rubble bounce' (tm) (r) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 03:22 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc. << not at the moment.
mod6: and am not positive on import/export making it in yet -- needs further review testing
mod6: if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: aha
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477885 << waiwut ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 03:42 mod6: if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue.
asciilifeform: what issue
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476894 probably ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
mod6: yeah, that thing you told me about alf. yesterday?
mod6: day before
asciilifeform: aah
pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/06/intel_xeon_e7_v4/ << TWENTY-FOUR TERABYTES OF RAM
pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: anyone used cyberpower ? or is it apc all day everyday
pete_dushenski: 15min at 400w, to be more specific
pete_dushenski: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32714 << one option
pete_dushenski: https://www.amazon.ca/APC-BR1500G-BACK-UPS-10-Outlet-1500VA/dp/B003Y24DEU/ref=sr_1_3 << another option
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS ☟︎
pete_dushenski: why don't you suggest i run mercedes inside house ?
pete_dushenski: 5.6L of power right there
BingoBoingo: No, make a cage outside house for it
pete_dushenski: or exhaust out tailpipe emissions from garage
BingoBoingo: Nah, don't want to fuck with CO
pete_dushenski: mercedes is ~200kW
pete_dushenski: yolo
BingoBoingo: But at what fuel price?
pete_dushenski: buck a litre
pete_dushenski: bizniz expense
BingoBoingo: No, I mean how much fuel to make the powah?
BingoBoingo: That affects runtime in case all the oilsand burns in a wildfire
BingoBoingo: Anyways diesel is better generators, but there aren't non-chicom small diesel inverter generator makers.
pete_dushenski: i'd guess about 15-20hrs of runtime on a 90L tank
pete_dushenski: so about $5/hr to run a neighbourhood's workstations
pete_dushenski: less heat loss, transmission loss, obvious practical issues, etc.
BingoBoingo: Or that honda with its ~14 liter tank can also hit 21 hours, but with less plugged in.
BingoBoingo: Exact runtime/fuel consumption can be readily calculated on the Honda
pete_dushenski: moar decentralised too
BingoBoingo: seriously. Also man portable for quality man.
BingoBoingo: Instead of ports man.
pete_dushenski: ya not a lotta portsmen in the prairies or midwest
pete_dushenski: in other white news, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/03/racism_row_hits_african_internet_registry/
trinque: They have always claimed that we Black cannot run an organization like AFRINIC (too complex for our small bird brain...) ... I have leaved [sic] through that during my 10 years as CEO both in Africa and globally. But the reality is that our own people let this kind of thing perpetuate. << muh sides
pete_dushenski: which can pretty much be summed up by this : https://65.media.tumblr.com/c48259277b779bf1ae794ce5ae95fa74/tumblr_o7w0i51Y5C1vvj8mlo1_500.jpg
jurov: pete_dushenski: i don't believe these can sustain anywhere like 15min at 400W
jurov: but a desktop usually won't eat 400W either, or are you mining? have 24" CRT?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477896 << 'liebert' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 04:17 pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you own rather than rent, buying a large unit is a good home improvement move. for one thing, all electronics benefit from power filtering etc, tv sets, whatever has chips in it. for another thing, redundant power is great and brownouts a thing everywhere. not the worst 5-10k you ever spent, can just sit in the basement and make your day for a week each decade or w/e.
mircea_popescu: oh look at that, south african race relations are a paragon for the entire world :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477901 << gensets, either BingoBoingo or mircea_popescu's, do absolutely nothing until ~30sec or so after total blackout ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 04:28 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform normally it's a unit consisting of generator, inverter, batteries.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: the battery in this case ( mircea_popescu's outdoor wagon ) is used to start the diesel.
mircea_popescu: so yes, it filters power throughout ; it supplants short timed blackouts electronically ; and longer course ones while the fuel lasts.
asciilifeform: nobody keeps serious battery (for double-converting ups) outdoors, they die 10x faster
asciilifeform: esp in a climate with <0 temps
asciilifeform: which yes, mircea_popescu doesn't ever see
mircea_popescu: all this, incidentally, was pioneered by filming crews.
asciilifeform: naturally. lamps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, it's a profession, he gets it properly instaslled.
mircea_popescu: yeah the large lights were very vulnerable, and expensive as fuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here in the north americanistans he can get absolute rubbish installed for maxint.
mircea_popescu: well that's sad.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : serenity starts with autonomy ; and autonomy has some very practical underpinnings.
asciilifeform: and my point was that you can get a ~very~ good, and almost man-portable double-converting ups for almost nothing.
mircea_popescu: for instance, romanians in the 90s moved off the "central heating" paradigm on to individual gas units.
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, i wasn't criticizing your thang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's so spiffy about this. so now they can rely on ru gas instead of own coal ?
mircea_popescu: that they rely on a machinery in their own hands with a commodity input
mircea_popescu: rather than rely on machinery in state owned building.
asciilifeform: dunno about ro, but where i live gas is piped in by the city
asciilifeform: just like steam was in su
mircea_popescu: also, romania has plenty of gas ; was running out of coal at the time.
asciilifeform: then logical.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile stopped exploiting it altogether iirc.
mircea_popescu: also ro-ru gas relations and energetics altogether have always been cordial.
mircea_popescu: the ru know that ro have plenty of their own ; also tech leader. no motivation to pester them whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: nothing's nicer in this world than a russian with his balls in vice.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski look for 'double-converter' ups - 1500VA and up. these draw current at all times, and lack the familiar relay 'click' - the inverter is always on. they come ~exclusively~ in rack-mount shape.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "power standards for tmsr home" is yet another item we should eventually write up huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'no motivation to pester' thing is possibly changing, as ro is slowly converted into usg forward base
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: romania does have a happy tradition of ending up caught in conflicts between various idiots, i'd be much surprised if this changed.
jurov: mircea_popescu: wtf is with mpex? it's like third time new order receives a signed receipt from mpex, and then completely vanishes
jurov: till someone pesters you
jurov: i'm not interested to keep coinbr running on such "fundament"
mircea_popescu: we're enjoying teh benefits of well running servers.
mircea_popescu: jurov is something caught right nao ?
jurov: yes
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222B8F63EF091A0CD257743909482862B9D7D34A7FD4E635A71C9471097BEEA << this fella checks his key ~every single day. herr kucera, if you are tuned in, speak up !
deedbot: [Trilema] A quick word on feminism - http://trilema.com/2016/a-quick-word-on-feminism/
mod6: So tb0t has a test plan, and is entering the final testing phase. Will keep ya posted.
asciilifeform: neato mod6
mod6: As soon as we get through the testing, will deploy here and hopefully can turn attention to trb stuffs.
mircea_popescu: exciting mod6 :D
mod6: yeah, it should work -- it won't be perfect, but it should at least get us started.
jurov: asciilifeform: how do you know it's him?
asciilifeform: jurov: i don't. but it is not entirely unreasonable conjecture.
asciilifeform: yes, could easily be his sworn enemy, praying for his key to pop, wahtevr.
jurov: i posted the phuctor urls to his blog, and it's rather popular
mircea_popescu: or random bot following links to "seo"
mircea_popescu: this entire "web numbers map to people" theory is just about as ridiculous as the whole "bitcoin addresses map to people" theory.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if bot, it was a spiffily human-like bot. when you have log scrolling in one eye all day, ~every day, you get a feel for the zoology
mircea_popescu: the notion one can distinguish a supervised bot from a slightly less supervised bot is wishful thinking ; no matter the effort expended.
asciilifeform: this is a typical and lulzy reversal of the usual mircea_popescu vs asciilifeform mega-threadz
mircea_popescu: there's big money in this, of course, and has for decades. "advertising industry" "fraud detection". it never worked.
asciilifeform: yes, in principle it is not difficult to pass 'log reader turing test'
asciilifeform: but in actual practice, ~nobody bothers.
asciilifeform: mainly because it cuts into throughput.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477843 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 00:56 mircea_popescu: "Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ?
asciilifeform: (can write bot that operates sluggishly, human-like, loads various unnecessary sub-pages, etc. but this means fewer clickfraudulent clicks etc.)
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: how not ?
asciilifeform: sure, if you ~only~ want to emulate 'human reader', it is not difficult. but what exactly is the point of this exercise.
mircea_popescu: what appears to you as sluggish is simply thing doing sluggish for someone else meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: it pays to do it that way, stays under rader.
mircea_popescu: radar*
asciilifeform: i meant, what is the use of this.
asciilifeform: what does the bot operator get out of it ?
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the site somehow resists crawling of the usual sort.
phf: ;; later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477847 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 01:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages the
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: even google has the pretty much whole surface-visible structure indexed now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just how the bot is written to work.
asciilifeform: yes but ~why~
mircea_popescu: because one size fits all ; and easier to have it work this way universally.
asciilifeform: fact is, a good chunk of the traffic on dulap 80 is from traditional bots who loudly proclaim themselves.
mod6: phf: you sent that to me yesterday right?
mod6: the biggest pain about that format is the incremental id.
mod6: but the rest I can do, and I won't be logging messages as this thing will drop pms.
mod6: anyway, thanks again for pointing me to that
mircea_popescu: sure.
mod6: i meant phf, but you too Mr. P. :]
mircea_popescu: i was talking to alf :) sure, lots of bots are loud.
mod6: ahh. lol.
mod6: my bad.
phf: maybe the id can be optional, but fwiw it doesn't need to match what the btcbase has. as long as it's unique and incremental on your system. the main usecase is that if the bot drops, for the duration of reconnect logger wants to know what happened on channel. so can do since_time=<+-10 minutes around drop time> and then fuzzy shuffle messages in
phf: but then i was thinking that i can periodically poll all the sources since_id=<last id for the source> and check things for consistency, etc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has a point you know, simply setting an index as "autoincrement" in your sql should supply this.
asciilifeform: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: hello fromphuctor !
asciilifeform: eh.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, it makes some sense.
mod6: im proud to say no sql is used :]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bot :D
mircea_popescu: mod6 so what do you do, flatfile ?
mod6: anyway, i can make it happen. just gotta ensure its fast, don't want any io to slow stuff down.
mod6: ya. flat file for everything
mircea_popescu: so get the line number.
mod6: sure, that'd be something too
mod6: i'll work something out for it. i see how it can be handy.
mircea_popescu: or unixtime. etc.
mod6: werd
mircea_popescu: ah nm, he said incremental.
mod6: well, that's probably incremental, just not sequenced
mod6: but yeah, i getcha
shinohai asked tb0t for a cup of tea, only got hot water.
mod6: worked through the test plan after 2 small fixes, seems to be working as designed.
mod6: gotta add one last part before we can really use it in here; get it a pgp key, register it with deedbot, then build in functions to selfvoice
mod6: shouldn't be too bad
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZ3GkeU9kg << l0l, mr mold - lives! no more ships, now 'comets', 'moons', ...
asciilifeform: last slide: 'ready for self-hosted address space crowdsale'
asciilifeform: ^^ -----> say hello to new ethercrapcoin
shinohai: God these shitty crowdsale?ICO coins are like viruses. They keep mutating.
asciilifeform: arguably that one pre-dated the others. just took a while to fully bloom.
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224582 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224594 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:44 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
a111: Logged on 2015-08-04 21:35 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
asciilifeform: ^ mr mold, apart from the 1,001 other atrocious design decisions, added cherry to the shitcake by making his 'coins' have 9 lives.
asciilifeform: as in, max transactions PERIOD.
asciilifeform: specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg' ☟︎
trinque: jesus christ, the "umm"s coming out of this guy
asciilifeform: trinque: last time i saw him on video, it was https://vimeo.com/9262193
asciilifeform: and the man is very clearly not camera-ready.
asciilifeform: has various strange 'darth vader' nervous ticks, presumably from years of living in cave
trinque: take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole ☟︎
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: umm's and ahhs\'s seem to be common mannerisms amongst basement-dwelling scammers.
trinque: skipped ahead, heard tripe on prediction markets being "just an advanced form of democracy"
trinque: it's anything but
trinque: what, everyone has the same amount of capital?
asciilifeform: trinque: mold was actually representing sanity in that one
gabriel_laddel: $s prediction markets are for tards
a111: 1 results for "prediction markets are for tards", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prediction%20markets%20are%20for%20tards
trinque: wtf was/is bitbet
asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
gabriel_laddel: ^ this is what I've encountered people pushing irl
gabriel_laddel: under the name of "prediction market"
gabriel_laddel: trinque: a betting site?
trinque: where people made predictions and were paid for them if they were correct
trinque: and losers lost capital which diminished their ability to take part
gabriel_laddel: The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life" ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: Where should I / my kid attend school etc.
trinque: soon as someone does something that works some other idiot comes along and wants to make a religion and government out of it
asciilifeform: the 'futarchy' folks were trying to give ye olde demoooooocracy a new spray paint coat.
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether they're still at it, and if so - how.
asciilifeform: can't be arsed.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: whole thing is fucked as soon as the cultural notions of born slaves enters the process
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you sailed across the river to montevideo yet?
trinque: oh, we will find our stalin and then follow him
asciilifeform: trinque: nobody was looking for stalin. instead it was 'capitalist' spray paint on the old popular vote nonsense.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: didja see your quote on the new McCLIM site?
trinque: which?
gabriel_laddel: https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/excite.html
trinque: ha!
trinque: how bout that, I'm lispfamous
asciilifeform: lel
gabriel_laddel: Thanks for your words.
asciilifeform: now if only clim weren't dog-slow.
asciilifeform: and motif-infested.
asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKING athena widgets.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel a number of times.
asciilifeform allergic, breaks out in hives when sees it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: one step at a time. I cut out all the "backends" and got the LoC count to 100,803 lines of CL.
asciilifeform: more than whole os + bitcoinatron ought to weigh.
asciilifeform: much less some piddling gui.
gabriel_laddel: We do have to deal with X...
shinohai: Hey that Gsharp thing looks pretty nifty.
asciilifeform: why does clim have to use any of the native gui widgets ?
asciilifeform: all it really needs is a 2d output port.
gabriel_laddel: It doesn't.
asciilifeform: which can be x or anything else
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478060 << still with that stupid shit ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 17:50 asciilifeform: specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along
mircea_popescu: ima buy him for making salami eventually. "who crushes who, bitch ?"
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I use the CLX native backend and will be moving to framebuffer when it makes economic sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477341 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 14:09 asciilifeform: fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: so explain the atrocious athena soup
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478065 <<< one of the funniest things to me re webtard community was that they read enough trilema to find ancient political meeting videos and hurr durr critically at my performance. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 18:14 trinque: take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: it just LOOKS like that. All of those widgets are just handle-repaint defmethods.
asciilifeform: and if you think i will use scrolls that don't respond to mouse wheel, EVER, think again.
mircea_popescu: AS FUCKING IF there exists the webtard that can emulate my rhetoric ability.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would it make much difference if there could ?
mircea_popescu: yes. i'd study them to get better.
mircea_popescu: buncha fuctards, can't speak in public, opine as to consummate public speaker's performance ; never as much as owned a suit of clothes, comment the suits of dude that's been wearing one since highschool. on it goes.
gabriel_laddel: Oh, and when I say "widget" I really mean gadget.
gabriel_laddel: In the sense of: http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai where was this
mircea_popescu: which this ?
asciilifeform: 'opin as to .... performance'
asciilifeform: 'never owned suit of clothing'
mircea_popescu: uh i don't recall where specifically. tardstalk prolly. or reddit/twitter/whatever.
mircea_popescu: maybe something awful forums ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478076 << hysteresis no longer taught in schools i take it |? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 18:18 asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
asciilifeform: nor nelson b hunt etc.
mircea_popescu: nor for that matter fucking fractals and/or positibe feedback
asciilifeform: like any good organized fraud, the futarchy folks consist of a few conscious sc4mz0rz who know exactly what they're doing, and a buncha useful idiots.
asciilifeform: but i actually have nfi if that particular chumpatron is still rollin'. all i ever knew of it was from the mr mold film linked earlier.
asciilifeform: which is eons old.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478082 << if you run into any more make them read http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 18:21 gabriel_laddel: The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life"
mircea_popescu: for as long as that article stands "less wrong" seriously can't exist intellectually.
gabriel_laddel: sent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also missed this when it happened, but it imploded.
asciilifeform: in, imho, an interesting way:
mircea_popescu: which this now ?
asciilifeform: 'less wrong'
mircea_popescu: ah ah. usg nigger cut funding ?
asciilifeform: the wind fell from its sails, and the cultists scattered to the four winds
asciilifeform: no ! interestingly !
asciilifeform: the opposite.
mircea_popescu: that's a new one, i didn't know any other cause is even possibru. wha happened ?
asciilifeform: yudkowsky successfully bootstrapped his inner cult to the next level, of being a properly institutionalized and usgized org, and he didn't need the public www any moar.
asciilifeform: left it floating without engine.
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: so wait, less wrong got #bitcoin-asset'd ?
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: in its own way.
mircea_popescu: and for no fault of their own ?!
asciilifeform: aha!
gabriel_laddel: $s slatestarcodex
a111: 11 results for "slatestarcodex", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slatestarcodex
asciilifeform: ^ described in agonizing detail therein, iirc
asciilifeform: pet reads it, i can't be arsed
asciilifeform: i get briefings periodically.
mircea_popescu: interesting.
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my opinion of yudkowsky fellow has been
mircea_popescu: rather low ever since i taught him how to write and he... failed to engage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's on the other side.
mircea_popescu: rather too like the inept romanian wanna-bes for my taste.
asciilifeform: big fat surprise he won't engage.
mircea_popescu: why ? twerp is writing fiction "didactically" and "challenges" the world.
asciilifeform: serves hitler, in that enthusiastic and demented way that only a mengele can.
gabriel_laddel: "impotence is just as much fun"
mircea_popescu: da fuck, how dares he not humbly suck cock when the world condescends to slap him silly.
gabriel_laddel: *"intellectual impotence is just as much fun"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he is already full of cock, just not yours
mircea_popescu: then why's he going around asking for it.
asciilifeform: habit?
mircea_popescu takes poorly to false advertising.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck was that thing anyway.
mircea_popescu: it was some derpy fanfic wtf was it
asciilifeform: anyway he successfully distilled the most hardcore folks from his original cult into a new thing, is moar funded than ever before, as far as i can tell, and is happily fellating thiel with renewed vigour.
gabriel_laddel: harry potter and the methods of rationality?
mircea_popescu: oh oh! ty
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: wait what does his new thing have to do with thiel?
asciilifeform: also he has some variant of harem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ?!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: sole, afaik, sponsor.
mircea_popescu: wait, he got ONE FRAGMENT right, alone, by itself ?
mircea_popescu: had no idea this is even possibru.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either yes or very elaborate ruse, including some folks who dun like him no moar participating.
mircea_popescu: how does one sit atop the pile of chicks and still derp ineptly ?
mircea_popescu: harem is healing.
asciilifeform: maybe defective chix.
asciilifeform: maybe not enough of'em
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: is the "nightlife" in montevideo the ~same as BA?
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: maybe if derp finds The Ring of Popescuinity in the mud, and cleans it up, and wields some of its powers, he still isn't mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel roughly yeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sanity is homeostasis. what is this "functioning liver by itself" ?
asciilifeform: nothing so strange. somewhat rhetorically-savvy fella, gathers a buncha sillycon valley types, and convinces them that (in their words) 'smartest human who ever lived.' money rains in, chix put out, etc.
asciilifeform: as with mr mold, yudkowsky 'cheated' by being a rather good librarian
asciilifeform: he did not personally invent his crackpotteries, but carefully cut out of actual works of philosophy, translated to sv porchmonkey language, and marketed.
asciilifeform: successfully.
mircea_popescu: no such thing ; the dead mechanism either rots and stinks ; or else exactly immitates life - so much so as to be actually alive ; and if actually alive - it heals.
asciilifeform: ustards specialize in exploring the borderland between life and putrescent soup.
mircea_popescu: much like the "bitcoin corrupts" argument - harem heals. if you actually get one, you can't be "yourself".
asciilifeform: tell this to the lunatic sultans.
asciilifeform: who wrecked their empire.
mircea_popescu: well that one didn't work.
asciilifeform: so then.
asciilifeform: harem - not always heals.
mircea_popescu: if it's alive it does.
asciilifeform: beyond this i cannot say, i do not have a mole in y's harem.
mircea_popescu: if it isn't... hm. you saying basically they only visit with performance gas mask on ?
asciilifeform: quite possibly.
asciilifeform: not so different from every ustard's 1 gurl.
mircea_popescu: tsk. it's unstable as all fuck though.
asciilifeform: who also lives with gas mask.
mircea_popescu: this is precisely how you end up with whores in the matress.
asciilifeform: what's that
mircea_popescu: you ever read bitter moon, say ? or i guess saw the movie, which was terrible, but i suppose still carries ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: ok, let's try a general statement. the trite rules of common sensical behaviour exist principally not because they're good or useful or productive ; but because they are banal, and in being banal are safe.
mircea_popescu: he who steps outside of their braindead protection will encounter great power ; which, without control, will ruin their life ; in such catastrophically major ways as to defy plain description.
asciilifeform: a la lottery winners ?
mircea_popescu: quite very much so.
asciilifeform: and as per the 'money and power, car and petrol' thread
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: most commonly, 'helpful' folks will come straight up out of the earth itself to 'help' mr. rich spend 'his' moneys.
asciilifeform: wife, mother, brother, ... whoever.
asciilifeform: until he is $maxint in debt, even.
mircea_popescu: harem heals ; and what that means if it's dead rather than alive ... god only help you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is probably still thinking of yudkowsky as a rich man, even if in the lottery sense. but he is actually, in effect, an employee - simply a very highly-compensated one
asciilifeform: the infrastructural work of keeping weevils out of the stash is, presumably, handled by his master.
mircea_popescu: what differece could it make ?
asciilifeform: the difference that the death he was supposed to die as per mircea_popescu's observation is forestalled.
mircea_popescu: that's a story of money ; cunt works differently.
asciilifeform: the cunt is responding to the man being a master of an army.
mircea_popescu: what, his mother handles his harematic affairs, as per abdul hamid ?
asciilifeform: this is where i say that i have absolutely nfi. was only conjecturing as to why the 'ring of popescuinity' has not melted his flesh from radiation damage.
trinque: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/#comment-13604 << yudkowski might be a cuck ☟︎
asciilifeform: could be -- i've heard it rumoured that his harem includes dudes
mircea_popescu: is polyamory when chicks fuck around ?
trinque: says he only dates women dating other men
mircea_popescu: that's cuckooing not cuckolding :D
trinque: heh yeah, it can go that way too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't it depend on who 'wins' ?
mircea_popescu: "This is a post about applied luminosity in action: how I hacked myself to become polyamorous over (admittedly weak) natural monogamous inclinations. "
mircea_popescu: lulz what the fuck am i reading.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, a major part of the appeal of prostitutes for many people is that they already have a pimp. contrary to what polite society likes to believe, men don't generally want THAT much to do with women.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: 'pay to go away'
asciilifeform: which is why i was initially puzzled at mircea_popescu's setup
mircea_popescu: i've known plenty of folk who'd only do say married womenz. "she's married already".
mircea_popescu: i've known even more folk who wouldn't deflower a girl, myself included. etc.
asciilifeform: eh why not ??
trinque: has no idea how to do it
mircea_popescu: cuz she sucks at fucking ?
trinque: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not everyone that gets invited to be taken for a ride is invited to stay.
mircea_popescu: not even close.
asciilifeform: well sure
asciilifeform: but why install any
mircea_popescu: because good.
asciilifeform: i can see this.
mircea_popescu: you ever read asylum in the end ?
asciilifeform: yes!
mircea_popescu: frankie explains. "organised fun"
asciilifeform: see, i dun need convincing, i have a pet installed, and in principle room for moar, but never found any moar.
mircea_popescu: her job anyway.
asciilifeform: well yes.
trinque: and something that probably kicks on in her when there's wealth.
trinque: asciilifeform: and we both live in poorasfuckistan
mircea_popescu: ah there is that. harem reproduces, just like "monogamous fambly".
asciilifeform: trinque: which something
mircea_popescu: if you're poor she can readily be excused.
asciilifeform: did i miss a line
trinque: asciilifeform: the desire to increase the number of women
asciilifeform: properly-configured petz don't cost much
trinque: it's a reproductive thing
asciilifeform: esp if they are 'inpatient' and share infrastructure.
asciilifeform: per asciilifeform's lights, 'properly configured' means reliably sterile
mircea_popescu: children cost even less ; yet it's a matter of perception.
trinque: you're not a chick!
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: here's a good idea : singular, anecdote ; plural, anecdata.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: anecdata being what socially passes for "scientific studies" - enough badly curated data to lend apparent support to whatever fashionable political claim.
asciilifeform: pretty sure i've seen this term used in precisely this light.
trinque: pretty good
mircea_popescu: yay, me reading trinque 's link was not entirely wasted.
trinque: also wouldn't surprise me that anyone in amerika with a functioning nervous system has a strong instinct of "this place is done for" going off
trinque: why would a woman's nesting behaviors go off under such circumstances
mircea_popescu: "I have lived with them for seven months now and never once have I seen them get in a fight (I know there is way more to being a couple than not fighting but I’m trying to think of objective numerical evidence I can report here beyond “if you know them, you know what I mean”)." << it's a miserable fucking criteria wtf.
asciilifeform: trinque: different folks respond differently to it. some - build walls.
asciilifeform: others - ships. etc
mircea_popescu: if your idea of "a fight" is one screaming his head off and the other begging forgiveness on knees and kowtows, then "no fights" is a completely dead relatopnship where no instruction is taking place ;
asciilifeform: it remains to be seen whether any wall, including the sea, is tall enough
mircea_popescu: if your idea of a fight is for the submissive to blather off, then o my fucking god what shambling abomnation is this!
mircea_popescu: "They both go way out of their way to make the other happy, and although part of this is just that they’re both very nice people who go out of their way to make everybody happy, I think there’s got to be some love involved there too. They are engaged, working on the “getting married” thing, and have every intention of having lots of children and staying together for at least one lifetime." << california can't grow eno
mircea_popescu: ugh lemons to fix america, i swear.
mircea_popescu: "I once felt a small pang of jealousy when one of my girlfriends was having a very public display of affection with a non-Mike person I didn’t know quite so well. But I get upset with/jealous of public displays of affection in general, even among people I don’t know, and it’s very hard for me to disentangle this feeling from jealousy and it could have just been my imagination." << or otherwise, could start by defining "
mircea_popescu: my".
mircea_popescu: "one of the public whores (free as in beer) that i'm sometimes pumping was working some chump and this bothered me maybe" ?
BingoBoingo: ;tldr sorry pete, Jews can't be pimps
mircea_popescu: "Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << ahahaha win. che ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ck it : http://mikeblume.com
mircea_popescu: "Mike Blume, gadabout and preterist, has grown bolder and bolder against Apostolic holiness traditions which he calls legalism. He has denied several of our ..." apparently the other priest dudes don't think so much of him.
asciilifeform: prolly wrong blume mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it's been a few years... just as likely right blume.
asciilifeform: doubt it
mircea_popescu: tucker max was a "finance expert" with scott lockinesque notions on bitcoin, last i looked,
mircea_popescu: you know, the fiction genius.
asciilifeform prolly wasn't here for that one
mircea_popescu: aww, you missed such a nice pile of anecdotes. so this guy, on the basis of a web forum populated by anglo dorks, and with the help of a "strategist" whose name escapes me atm but whose badly shaped cranium i still recall, were going to "revolutionize" and shit.
mircea_popescu: it was a very entertaining few years, i definitely recommend the study of "fratire" to the entomologist.
mircea_popescu: bwahahyaha check this shit out :
mircea_popescu: "Everything went according to plan: I can now comfortably describe myself and the primary relationship I have with MBlume as poly. <bragging>Since moving back to the Bay Area I've been out with four other people too, one of whom he's also seeing; I've been in my primary's presence while he kissed one girl, and when he asked another for her phone number; I've gossiped with a secondary about other persons of romantic interest
mircea_popescu: and accepted his offer to hint to a guy I like that this is the case; I hit on someone at a party right in front of my primary. I haven't suffered a hiccup of drama or a twinge of jealousy to speak of and all evidence (including verbal confirmation) indicates that I've been managing my primary's feelings satisfactorily too.</bragging> Does this sort of thing appeal to you? Cross your fingers and hope your brain works enoug
mircea_popescu: h like mine that you can swipe my procedure."
mircea_popescu: how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now. << By continuing to surround themselve exclusively with sick people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: Masamune update while I'm here:
gabriel_laddel: untangled the only gnarly bit of the masamune replication and promptly cooked my computer's hard drive
gabriel_laddel: set back about 2 weeks.
asciilifeform: replication?
gabriel_laddel: Generate a RescueCD that rebuilds masamune using all the sources on disk
gabriel_laddel: along with all the docs etc
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: sorta like 'buildroot' ?
gabriel_laddel: sorta
trinque: bro... rsync
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I don't know / use rsync. What should I have done?
trinque: cronjob to rsync your whole dev machine elsewhere regularly
trinque: or at least the code you want
gabriel_laddel: you have no idea how much of a complete disaster my life is... ☟︎
trinque: start habits that make it otherwise!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you oughta have been here for the ' mircea_popescu arguing that there is no such thing as peformance dope ' thread the other day
asciilifeform: i thought of you.
gabriel_laddel: O? I have an event in an hour. Lemme catch up on logs...
gabriel_laddel: No laptop, currently on a public box so can't get any work done.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel had better not be in a motherfucking asylum
asciilifeform: like adlai.
gabriel_laddel: Nah. Stanford
asciilifeform: similar enough.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gabriel_laddel: cute girl with a "recreational mathematics" shirt on right next to me. it's not so bad.
gribble: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":415255} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":199312067531.243} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477466 << thread. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 15:25 asciilifeform: how do you figure
gabriel_laddel: Turns out is her bf's shirt and she does molecular bio so perhaps ascii was right...
trinque: maybe he's into being cuckooed!
trinque: I hear it's a progressive place, stanford
gabriel_laddel: lol. not quite as progressive as yale. yet.
BingoBoingo: Nah just as encancered. Just differently cancered.
BingoBoingo: Tell her to call her boyfriend so he can watch her suck yo dick.
gabriel_laddel: Hola BB.
trinque: it's an opportunity for him to challenge the negative biases within himself and become a more open person
gabriel_laddel: How is the sober life?
BingoBoingo: Good. Happy, Joyous, and well... not as free as I like but maybe I'll kick the nicotine problem in the not too distant future.
gabriel_laddel: Still got the agents watching you?
BingoBoingo: Seems so
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/PXU
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
shinohai: Just a short PSA
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: waiwut what was i right about..?
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'm working on kicking cigs too
gabriel_laddel: stanford is an asylum.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I'm making runs at just pulling the bandaid off and learning a lot about physiological processes nicotine involves itself in that they don't really teach the kids about in school. For example: Nicotine causes causes stored sugahs to be released into the blood stream which means a substantial portion of the pain of acute nicotine withdrawal is related to the Beetus.
BingoBoingo: Sorry ^ trinque
trinque: interesting.
shinohai: Applicable tho .... I have unsuccessfully tried quitting several times.
trinque: I've quit before and got lazy, picked it back up
shinohai: Don't want to become a vapefag though
asciilifeform: shinohai: how come ?
asciilifeform: why not get the nicotine without the CO ?
asciilifeform: or what, it ain't proper honest sm0k3 unless yer gasenwagening yerself ?
shinohai: Nope, the burn and taste is part of the reason I like it.
shinohai: Fake smoke machine just doesn't do it.
asciilifeform: fair nuff.
shinohai: Actually vaping feels more like gasenwagening .. just add a can of zyklon B
BingoBoingo: Yeah vapefag setups tryhard the temperature too much which is unpleasant and generates srs formaldahyde
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how's that work? it is hotter than actual burning paper ?
deedbot: [Qntra] Mere 265 Bitcoin Sell Causes Flashcrash At Coinbase, Chronically Thin Orderbook To Blame - http://qntra.net/2016/06/mere-265-bitcoin-sell-causes-flashcrash-at-coinbase-chronically-thin-orderbook-to-blame/
shinohai: ^ top kek
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: filter on real cigarettes provides opportunity for smoke to cool pleasantly. They didn't become the standard for health reasons...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sure but how does this relate to whether formaldehyde forms ?
shinohai: "possibly arbuscular mycorrhizal organisms" <<<lolz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways the people who sucessfully substitute vapes for cigs tend to run at 400-500 degrees which cooks many of the glycols theys use to maintain nicotine suspension into preservatives. If preserving lungs I'd rather do it with good old fashioned creosote.
asciilifeform: interesting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478332 << random anon chick that yudk derp credits with his conversion to "polyamory" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 19:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: was it alicorn ?
mircea_popescu: yeah that
asciilifeform: ^ interesting character from the lesswrong heyday. wrote 'harry potter and rationality' but for 'fifty shades'. also famous for having introduced 'offending wimminz is off limits' to lesswrong; and for suffering 'nightmares' on account of 'roko's basilisk'
asciilifeform: $s basilisk
a111: 9 results for "basilisk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=basilisk
mircea_popescu: fucking "my little pony" franchise reference. unicorn-pegasus wtf is wrong with esltards already.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-20#1059184 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-20 03:35 mircea_popescu: "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong af
mircea_popescu: at least it could be snake bodied and feathered and also have many hands and could die on the cross.
mircea_popescu: shitsoup 100%.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the operative fact re yudkowsky is that he 1) took his cult to meatspace, nailing down funding, chix, sycophants, offices, etc 2) jettisoned the now-useless reddit
mircea_popescu: thoth prolly needs to be in there also though...
asciilifeform: the www forum was like the 1st stage of rocket.
asciilifeform: burned, done.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all the psycho-pomp, the whole thing reads to me rather infantile altogether. dumbass needed to crash, ended up crashing at apartment of derpy local chav and his whorish mahalagioaica.
asciilifeform: his particular stated ambition is worth commenting on, also
mircea_popescu: what, build eternal life spacesheep ?
asciilifeform: y wants to form an all-powerful usg-like stooge force to get between anyone who might be crafting 'rogue ai' (ai not designed by y and sycophants) and their work
asciilifeform: sorta like what existing usg tries to do with nukes
asciilifeform: or at the very least it is his official thing.
mircea_popescu: lol mkay.
mircea_popescu: weren't we making "rogue ai" ?
asciilifeform: https://intelligence.org << he renamed it. again.
asciilifeform: it is an Official usg thinktank now!111111
asciilifeform: with 'fellows'
asciilifeform: and 'papers'
mircea_popescu: pity it has no dao.
asciilifeform: https://intelligence.org/transparency << cutting straight to the (claimed) chase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems dead ?
asciilifeform: loads here.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/M1Ldm
mircea_popescu: yes yes but ... strategic plan 1 year (2 installments) out of date ; "in review" idem
asciilifeform: https://intelligence.org/topdonors
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha jed mccalleb donated OVER 350k ?
mircea_popescu: gtfo.
asciilifeform: why should he publish financials, the idiots already coughed up the moolah!111
mircea_popescu: the guy never had that much together.
asciilifeform: who the fuck even was that
mircea_popescu: old time bitcoin scammer ; kicked out around the time of the great mp scammer purge of 2013
mircea_popescu: moved on to altcoin bullshit.
asciilifeform: wasn't he the fella who robbed mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: the finances of mtgox are unclear.
asciilifeform: 'Jed McCaleb $631,137' << from the 'top donor' pg.
asciilifeform: perhaps fella by same name.
asciilifeform: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it, seeing how they actually credit him for ripple.
mircea_popescu: anyway : the numbers don't match ; total assets in 2014 ~2mn.
asciilifeform: one, the other, both, neither, could be a fiction, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the list as publishes sums to a suspiciously round 6,008,809. the assets claimed are ~30% that.
mircea_popescu: bullshit through and through, i have no idea how they even summon the gall to publish this unauditable nonsense.
mircea_popescu: vessenes & merck level "bitcoin foundation" sort of fraud.
asciilifeform: had links to something claiming to be detailed audit dumps but i can't be arsed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not a mystery that y's thing is a kind of phoundation
deedbot: [Qntra] US Newspapers Band Together In Defense Of Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-newspapers-band-together-in-defense-of-malware/
mircea_popescu: i have the "independent accountant review" right here.
asciilifeform: 'Ad-blockers undermine the ability of publishers to continue to provide free or reduced-pricecontent on the Internet because they undercut publishers’ ability to finance enterprisejournalism, and they threaten the livelihood of journalists and other content creators. These free-riding technologies are a clear and present danger to an ecosystem that hascreated a vibrant, content-filled Internet for the American public.' << gold
mircea_popescu: it was prepared by some obscure los gatos ca house (snow, bittleston &co) and is every bit as ridiculous as the rest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so why do you suppose they bothered ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, in summary : 885k in bank ; 14k in something called "cyro currency" as an "investment", 50k in prepaid expenses and 307k receivables. not clear whom from, but anyway.
asciilifeform: and iirc phoundation didn't even have a shill audit so this'd be classier, neh ?
mircea_popescu: 10k worth of furniture and 6k worth of "computer equipment"
mircea_popescu: oh and 8.6k worth of wells fargo credit card debt. lollercopter.
asciilifeform: waaat
mircea_popescu: we now have a precise sum of yudkowsky's total interest in this venture.
mircea_popescu: he got ~8664 worth of groceries.
asciilifeform: iirc prior to deal with the devil fella was worth ~0
asciilifeform: he was booted out of school for insanity
mircea_popescu: o look at that, "salaries" 258k ; payroll tax and employee benefits 22k.
asciilifeform: and afaik neither worked nor mircea_popescud.
asciilifeform: sounds like they employ 2-3 people.
mircea_popescu: at 31 dec 2014 realized loss from ripples an' bitcoins of 138.5k ; unrealized loss of 17.3k
asciilifeform: at starvation wage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, they employ one catamite. the lack of payroll tax is a dead giveaway.
mircea_popescu: that catamite pointedly isn't yudk derp.
asciilifeform: conceivably he is paid under the table ?
asciilifeform: i mean, if whole statement is a fiction.
mircea_popescu: not under table again. 8664, i'm telling you.
asciilifeform: incidentally in usa if someone is employed as 'contractor' there is no payroll tax reflected in corp statement.
asciilifeform: the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcontractor is required to pay tax manually.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: sooo he's paid california-style. given corp cc and off he goes.
mircea_popescu: more like pedowales style.
asciilifeform: iirc even steve jobs was paid this way.
mircea_popescu: "all frustrated at the heads using him for a sockpuppet, runs off with corp cc, is then forced to give it back"
asciilifeform: incidentally -$8k of cc doesn't conclusively prove this scheme, it is common for us corp to pump purchases through a cc for bureaucratic reasons
asciilifeform: and for it to be in the - at time of audit.
mircea_popescu: just my old vp intuition.
mircea_popescu: i spent a lot of my life going through exactly this sort of bs.
mircea_popescu: fin vp*
asciilifeform: small corp in usa almost always has a cc, for roughly same reason as humans do, it can dispute charges stemming from cc scamz, pay vendors which won't take american cheques, etc.
asciilifeform: and i find it mind-boggling that thiel would choose to pay him this way, vs hiring him as 'consultant' or fuck, gardener, or whatnot, and just handing him bags of money
mircea_popescu: atm looks a lot more like someone in tax shelters is using this to hide from a few mn worth of tax liability ; than thiel or anyone else wanting to give yudks as much as a half smoked marlboro.
asciilifeform: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: you ever seen "the strawberry blonde" ? 1930s film with cagney, de havilland and a still starlet rita hayworth.
asciilifeform: thiel puts $sum in phoundation; then gets it back out? how ?
asciilifeform: nope?
mircea_popescu: not a bad film ; cagney's a dope, friend of his offers him a position in management for a company where all he does is read the nespapers.
mircea_popescu: eventually govt deal obtained through tammany hall collapses an' he goes to jail.
asciilifeform: sorta like,
asciilifeform: 'You know how mentally limited people who agree to work for vague international companies doing the "clerical work" of cashing checks end up with a visit from the police ? ' ( http://trilema.com/2015/thattommyhall-that-kickstarter-scamsite-this-internet-life/#selection-125.2-125.173 )
mircea_popescu: sorta like.
asciilifeform: but that part i can see how it works (mule sends the money on).
asciilifeform: but how here ?
mircea_popescu: except hey, for as long as thiel's connected, who's gonna rustle his clientelle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here mule claims to have received donations that never showed up. win-win as they say.
asciilifeform: not only is this logical,
mircea_popescu: the "assets match ~30% of theoretical income" is a major flag ; the periodic name changes a slightly less major flag.
asciilifeform: but i suspect that ~all american 'nonprofits' operate some variant of this chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: there's more. in any case - let it be said faux charities are today as were a century ago the principal tax fraud mechanism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bout two thirds.
asciilifeform: hey, since when even, children's crusade.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a major factor in the "i can't explain why the fuck this guy went all usgtronic".
mircea_popescu: well... odds are he's a principal in a charity somewhere that cooked the books. "seemed the right thing to do" "i just took people's word" "i just wanted to" etc.
deedbot: [Qntra] Likely Next French President Wants Bitcoin Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/06/likely-next-french-president-wants-bitcoin-ban/
asciilifeform: waiwut didn't they already..?
asciilifeform: or what, now will be 2x as banned!1111
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Follow link for max lulz
asciilifeform: like in ru every year
asciilifeform: 'bitcoin is now MOAR BANN3D1111'
BingoBoingo: "'Likely next French President Marine Le Pen (WOT:nonperson) has gone on the record stating that she would like a ban on Bitcoin. Remember kids that National Socialism is still socialism with all its kleptographic tendencies intact."
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone have the requisite pseudosocial media doohickey to contact this guy https://plus.google.com/101025241405784788544 ?
mircea_popescu: eh the bitch's not making it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo double whether
BingoBoingo: ty, fixed
BingoBoingo: and if Trump-Clinton can do it so can Le Pen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform laughably, idiot imagines bitcoin as part of "online payment" and opposes it because "it hinders individual property on money".
mircea_popescu: total fucking shitshow.
asciilifeform: hey and idiot imagines that camera steals souls
asciilifeform: and that steam train will move a man too quickly for him to breathe, etc.
asciilifeform: but the 'bitcoin == scam' isn't even wholly unreasonable for aboriginal whose entire experience of 'electronic money' has been chumpatronic
asciilifeform: how is poor bastard to know that this airplane - flies.
mircea_popescu: it is wholly unreasonable to discuss things you don't understand ; it is disqualifying to not understand certain things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by not being "poor bastard".
asciilifeform: well he ain't here! is derping in some parliament instead.
asciilifeform: so - poor bastard.
mircea_popescu: also, it's a woman.
asciilifeform: ah lel i did not even read linked piece
asciilifeform: it is, innit.
asciilifeform: widow of what's his face
asciilifeform: the fascist fella ?
asciilifeform: but i was speaking of archetypical cargo cult derp, who is eternally male.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Daughter of
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the various gold chumpatrons must really be hard up for chumpz
asciilifeform: i keep getting spam from 'goldmoney' for 'buy with 0 fee'
asciilifeform: (eons ago, i actually used it)
asciilifeform: (and it was very much not 0fee)
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4553
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are hard up. Their radio advertising has definitely fallen off these past few weeks. Likely can't afford it.
shinohai: Looks like Bruce Fenton is resigning as director of teh Phoundation.
BingoBoingo: Why am I learning about that in this channel and not a submission?
shinohai: " BUT could stay same role w an assist, in co-ED role, advisor, rebrand or ^ funding" <<< meaning "Imma quit if you don't give me monies"
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does anyobody even care ~which~ pedo directs the arisen corpse of the phoundation ??
shinohai: I need more sauce, just a bit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta count the corpses
shinohai: ^
BingoBoingo: Not because it is important now, but for the later lolz when the dead try to do something else
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/ZDpQQAZ.png
shinohai: BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/PZV
BingoBoingo: ty, bringing it into concordance with existing qntra
deedbot: [Qntra] Fenton Taking Leave Of Vessenes' Fundnation Corpse - http://qntra.net/2016/06/fenton-taking-leave-of-vessenes-fundnation-corpse/
BingoBoingo: Back to the Yudocow cognitive dissonance disease https://i.sli.mg/LqRavv.jpg
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: fundnation ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. A socialist funding organization. Been using that on qntra for the Vessenes' scam since... forever?
BingoBoingo: Phoundation is too legitimizing
shinohai: ^ nb
BingoBoingo: In other news, political ads are different in Missouri http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2016/06/07/in-new-tv-spot-gubernatorial-candidate-eric-greitens-blow-stuff-up
shinohai: Wow even other SEALS hate him.
BingoBoingo: Come on this is politics, you can't believe anything being said by anybody involved other than blowing stuff up is fun.
BingoBoingo: Seriously likely to win though
BingoBoingo: $google site:qntra.net schweich
BingoBoingo: Anyways, related http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo ... wasn't Boelens a former associate/employee of TF ?
trinque: site doesn't work with the google search API
trinque: nfi why
trinque: $google qntra.net schweich
deedbot: http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
trinque: rubbish
shinohai: ;;google site:qntra.net schweich
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
trinque: I would rather search the aggregated browsing history of my WoT than google
shinohai: I switched search to ddg on my bot, but I think I broke it some time back.
trinque: I used that for search a while back, ought to try it again
shinohai: It's more regex friendly
BingoBoingo: shinohai: He's some dutch kid kind of on the margins of everything
shinohai: I only spoke with him a few times, but he seemed ok. Twas reading on tardstalk where someone doxed him over a 5 BTC loan or something.