phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: they were playing bridge and someone was about to say 1nt with akj in 6 hearts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, but his link is very informative. "how about you look before you leap ?" "STOP TALKING NONSENSE!!!!! NOBOSY CAN USE NOGGIN!!11!!ELEVEN WE ARE HERE TO BUILD CENTRALIZED DECENTRALIZATION!"
mircea_popescu: if it blows up, you can always "hard fork"^H"pretend it never happened".
mircea_popescu: hopefully hilary has enough money leftover from bill to pay for round two of lolz.
mod6: #hardfork_timemachine
mircea_popescu: phf is this for the people who bought battleships, islands, now they can buy asteroids, next alphabet letters...
mircea_popescu: yarvin really should have his own breakfast cereal company.
phf: yeah, it's that same game
mircea_popescu: brb ima liquidate my doge profits buy some more scamtokens from usg tools!
phf: but it's interesting to observe a "hip" version of it
phf: there's a video of a guy doing a pitch, some nice fonts, stripe integration. it is now, it is happening
phf: could be a yc project
mircea_popescu: in other news, ethereumgear.com now advertises in google searches for me. because yeah, totally.
shinohai: Have a tshirt made with that pic of mircea_popescu in Egypt, but replace the pyramids with burning ethereum logos.
phf: trilema store on cafe press
phf: just pictures of all the "show your tits" girls on white t-shirts American Apparel style
mircea_popescu: rarely has such large a collection of entirely inept shitheads been so utterly exposed.
mircea_popescu: i mean, bitdaytrade rivals it for utter, but that was what, meni rosenfeld and a bunch of web freelancer pakis.
phf: s/american apparel/supreme/
mircea_popescu: phf actually this isn't a terribru idea, make shirts with the numbered tits.
phf: half way through i realized i wasn't just trolling
mod6: <+shinohai> Have a tshirt made with that pic of mircea_popescu in Egypt, but replace the pyramids with burning ethereum logos. << the drawing of Mr. P. that was made a while back would be a good t-shirt.
shinohai: Yeah mod6 that *would* be great
mircea_popescu: yeah, anyone wanna run a tmsr tshirts bidniss ? preferably someone who isn't a lazy math guy who pretends to lie to self and call it "downshifting" or w/e.
phf: can just do it in this style, doesn't need to be a quality print. just a bunch of shirts with lowres tits
shinohai is nostalgic for those shirts from the 80's where the vinyl flaked off ....
mircea_popescu: buy thermotransfer crap in turkey, for like 10 bux a pile of 100, sell them for like ten bucks a pop. "advanced!"
☟︎ phf: "got some business going"
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how eeurope'd have looked today had the soviets managed to dredge on.
deedbot: meau` voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: in other news, brexit cost the robo-lizzard-hitler club ~2.1 trillion in notionals.
gribble: Current Blocks: 418439 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 888 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: ok that was interesting. at some point tb0t got bounced out -- but it was *still* logging from here.
mod6: oh, it just got devoiced.
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen it. Perhaps requires javascript?
mircea_popescu: "north and south ok, east and west bad, diagonals in between"
mircea_popescu: rather than a bs "here's some colors because we're from the special needs kindergarten", could "the baltimore expert guy" instead provide a heatmap with all the murders, stabbings, whatnot ? could have a little card, date, people involved, etc.
mircea_popescu: police still publishes these i imagine. day and half worth of intern's time.
mircea_popescu: (yes, /me suspects he's ~mostly eating shit. baltimore homicide rate still the same 30ish / 100k it's anywhere else ; rape with violence the same 40, robbery the same 500, assault the same 500, etc.)
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that baltimore was scoring ~400 homicides / 100k, which IS notable, though perhaps a tad short for what he's depicting. nevertheless - that was in the early 90s.
trinque: asciilifeform │ wtf does it mean to 'cost' the folks with the printing press something. << same as it cost whatever fake "elite" zimbabwe had, but more spectacularly?
trinque: his $turkeys are all assets that aren't
trinque: they own the same number of lockheed martins and johnson and johnson's, and this is separate and untouchable, meanwhile the currency that flows through their veins evaporates?
trinque: some of the people at the "top" of the US economy might survive just like some in the USSR did
trinque: or does some consumer products company somehow "pivot" to surviving a situation where consumers don't have money
☟︎ trinque: and if not, then the "wealth" of most of those lizards vanishes
trinque: gotta have trade volume to sustain a market
trinque: you can't just have infinite turkeys and nothing moving
trinque: wealth has both to do with what you have and also what you can get for it
trinque: you've observed some things can't be had for any price depending on the configuration of the world at that time
trinque: or at all, if the ask is a poorly formed question
trinque: as their ability to wield economic activity in the world declines, they grow smaller and less powerful
trinque: this is the fucking definition of power
adlai: it's worth taking antipsychotics for the amazing clarity you get once you stop taking them
☟︎ mats: i'm sorry to hear that
adlai: i'm glad to have stopped! and have found again the motivation to bitcoin
adlai: it also helps that bitcoin has found the motivation to do the dance again, timed well with my asylum exit
trinque: now try not frying yourself with acid or whatever
trinque: or do, and explain to asciilifeform what can happen when you over-leverage yourself
trinque: "but my true worth is denominated in the love of god!"
adlai: my true worth, unlike my net worth, is denominated in TruCoin (tm) (c,) (r) (coming soon to an altcoin daemon near you!)
adlai: if you're new at this - the whole point is to do the trial and error in your head. if the computer move surprises you, you have to hit reset and stare at the setup for another fifteen seconds
trinque: this "EU parliament" room is terrible, looks like a shitty state college lecture hall
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 04:16 trinque: this is nonsense
mircea_popescu: this was true even in the old days of gold coins. consider the case of two neighbouring countries, each with the same exact mirror arrangements, same pop count, same 100 tons of gold total, circulating as 100mn 1gram pieces.
trinque: if I had 40 billion turkey dollars and suddenly had to divest from USD denominated assets and companies that relied on consumer spending, where would I go?
mircea_popescu: the half to the left gets attacked by the huns ; the half to the right has some derp discover the indies and goes into trade mode, florence style.
mircea_popescu: now, the average coin piece in the left changes hands once a year. for safety. this means the circulation (ie, notional market, in the primitive sense this works then) is ~100mn pcs/year.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the right, each coin piece changes hands once a week. for trade! thismeans the circulation is about 5bn pcs/year
mircea_popescu: suddenly you can appreciate the macrofinance problems.
mircea_popescu: when people get excited the "monetary mass" (which is not directly equivalent to the pedestrian notion of money) expands. when people flee to safety, it contracts.
mircea_popescu: and all this happens without any sort of cheating needed or implied.
trinque: yep. what I question is how a massive contraction, in a situation where it's *all* notional and wtf is actually valuable, would *not* harm lizard whoever.
mircea_popescu: well, that's problematic, in no small part because of the traditional villain "ha-ha! it was my plan all along!"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492583 << actually that happened in the 90s. all the jam tomorrow "web as a business" "venture capital" bs is exactly that - pivoting to try and survive the situation where consumers don't have money. pretend data is valuable and someone cares, pretend advertising is a business, get people to "invest" in this nonsense, it's a thing.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 04:18 trinque: or does some consumer products company somehow "pivot" to surviving a situation where consumers don't have money
trinque: yeah, pivoting towards death, not out of the way of it
mircea_popescu: myeah. it's a thing looking just about ready to deflate worth a trn or two.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-15 04:41 mircea_popescu: there is that rabi and goats story, but no.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 04:47 adlai: it's worth taking antipsychotics for the amazing clarity you get once you stop taking them
adlai: exactly this. the neuroleptic goat has its place alongside the tolerance break and other shirts of assorted hairyness
mircea_popescu: "One cannot imagine Ethereum community doing nothing in response to an existential hack. Doing nothing would say we lack courage and we let thieves walk away with their loot. HF is a must now. The community is reaching a new consensus."
mircea_popescu: ethereum community reads more and more like paycoin community.
adlai: honestly, why even bother with a fork at this point. just reset the testnet, call it "The Next Frontier"
adlai: this is the cheapest fix: reset the chain
adlai: it's what testnet does whenever it gets too fucked
adlai: and ethereum is a billion dollar testnet
mircea_popescu: lol. "billion" dollar. currently usg self-trading on poloniex just about 99.999%
adlai: sure. but this "usg" is still a bunch of smart muppets scamming the stupid muppets, money is changing hands
mircea_popescu: nope, not really. pretty much one single party wash-trading.
adlai: but i agree with you in the sense of "coin moves from stupid pocket to smart"
mircea_popescu: the stupid consist of cents and dimes, sum to a thousand dollars if that.
☟︎ adlai: the truly stupid suddenly remember last week to forget their presale password. true story (not mine)
adlai: but it reminded me of "anton_osika"! remember anton, kids?
BingoBoingo: Nah anton forgot his contract with mp signing key
adlai: misplacing a key and misremembering a password are the same class of fuckup
adlai told his shrink, as an example of "delusions", about ''meta-#ba''
adlai told his #t, as an example of "truth" (Schemers Hate Him!), about ''shrink''
ben_vulpes went to procure a server today (8 cores! 3.33 ghz! 32 gb of ram! probably the heaviest individual slice of computronium i've ever hefted) to find that it was previously operated by a local company of some amount of repute.
ben_vulpes: while picking delicately through the trash in the 2br housing lord only knows how many ops monkeys it came up that the machine was in no way deprovisioned.
ben_vulpes: i am torn - on one hand, this is a marvelously spiffy box. on the other - what treasures might lie on those hdds?!
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 09:20 ben_vulpes: i am torn - on one hand, this is a marvelously spiffy box. on the other - what treasures might lie on those hdds?!
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492472 << to truly round up yesterday's derp list, one has to mention the dejavu "security" team (aptly named, seriously, we've seen this nonsense more than enough times before from the sort of posturing idiots without a wot presence) : akshay aggarwal, "a passionate entrepreneur", adam cecchetti, "ceo", michael eddington, "cto", see
https://archive.is/JqJos ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 22:19 mircea_popescu: and to round the lolz farm, " The code was open-sourced on March 3rd, so experts had almost two months to find vulnerabilities before it was deployed. It was also audited (at an alleged cost of $250k) by the same firm that audited geth before the frontier launch." (you remember, by the "dejavu" derps, that proud scion of bitcoin security of bitcoinica days.
https://archive.is/yZ0ke )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, ethereum itself is brought to you by ming chan, "an mit alumna", vitalik buterin, which you no doubt remember as an obscure bitcoin punk, jeffrey wilcke, bernd lapp ("bern lapp's background and experience in management experience spawns many years"), stefano bertolo, yessin schiegg, willioam mougayar, thomas greco (omise), and vladislav martynov. see
https://archive.is/Se89j ☟︎ mircea_popescu: and to not forget the various other usg tools with a more remote, disavowed involvement : gavin andresen, emin gun sirer, and a whole list of various derps who unilaterally claim involvement : amir chetrit, anthony di iorio, gavin woon, joseph lubin etc,
mircea_popescu: it's an underclass of capons the empire is promoting, the equivalent of the roman libertus.
mircea_popescu: they're usually central/east asians for a good reason : the "government is all things" mentality is not commonly found outside of that shithole. there, it's part of the culture.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 00:29 asciilifeform: (politruk)
mircea_popescu: eh, the ones that start in engineering / actual work roles usually end up "managing" a project/team, not really selected for chen minjness.
mircea_popescu: so drone wants to be ant rather than bee. whoopee. still drone.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492644 << amusingly, judging by the comment count on the official announcement of the latest blunder ("for best results running our fix for the attack - please don't run it at all!"), even 1k total seems exaggerated. ethereum is dead as disco, will take at least 6 months to re-inflate. prolly more like 18. and i somehow doubt the "many years spanned by experience in experience" people have t
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 05:29 mircea_popescu: the stupid consist of cents and dimes, sum to a thousand dollars if that.
mircea_popescu: so we'll be hit by a new raft of faces with bios and empty heads.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same place you get the young whores. hipster part of town.
mircea_popescu: i think the convo might have spliced. what do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: title ? none of these people ever had or wish to ever have title to anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you were getting merged visits and stuff ?
mircea_popescu: problem is they might have figured you're not in the demo.
mircea_popescu: so then what's all this to do with what we were discussing.
mircea_popescu: if the log scatters of discussions of my buys hasn't illuminated the matter yet lol.
mircea_popescu: not so : they'll ask where you want it delivered, you'll give a residential address, they'll drop the inquiry.
mircea_popescu: people who do shipping know where proper loading docks are. you don't give them one of those, you don't trade.
mircea_popescu: and forget stuff like bauxite. you can't have as much as a truckload of books delivered by printer.
mircea_popescu: well, what can i tell you. if he uses proper truck is likely unionized, and if he is, he can't do it even if he wants to.
mircea_popescu: ah, the demo ? usually, russian immigrants, old white guys with a history of dealing with criminals for whatever reason (pond shop owner, public defender, etc)
mircea_popescu: they buy the stuff, run the rookery, usually make a thin profit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of it as the equivalent of mining for street power blockchain
mircea_popescu: if the question "who is this guy" forms, and the answer is not on a post-it on monitor, you're not in the demo.
mircea_popescu: no, it exists because walled off storefronts don't look good.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if you run one of these you run it because you want a steady supply of whores and thugs, not because you expect roi on the rents.
mircea_popescu: and if you end up buying for the wrong reasons on the wrong expectations you'll have to be killed.
mircea_popescu: so basically... thank the bank. saved your life, and saved the city a grease spot removal bill.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: dead as disco << hey. hey. disco is kinda cool. daft punk's newest album is straight disco.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller everything comes back, it's the law of the zombie : it pops.
thestringpuller: "A wise man once said that nothing really dies. It just comes back in a new form. Then he died. So, next time you see a lowly salamander, think twice before you step on it; it might be you."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future, TRULY is the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient to breed actual people with some frequency.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rats themselves, no. but actual people, you'll find there rather than in office parking lot, or at nsa building, or working the cubical.
mircea_popescu: usually easier to educate a willful person than trying to insuflate will into an educated person.
mircea_popescu: well - this is not true generally, thinking about it. but for me, it is way the fuck easier. and i'd expect it'd be the same for everyone who a) is familiar with the environment, and by familiar we mean that, feels at home in the ghetto and is respected in prison ; b) is familiar with the categories of education. which is different from being educated, it requires mastership of the gnosis, that position where you wrote the bo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform methinks you're using the wrong tools for an ill defined purpose.
mircea_popescu: start at the purpose. what are you trying to do again ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-23 03:40 mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "upping the milimorts". you gotta NOT CARE.
thestringpuller: so isn't it a bit odd that Slock.It is refusing to release the security audit of The DAO? It really looks as if this is straight up MtGox 2.0. Pretty sure someone inside slock.it hacked the DAO and got a huge payoff.
mircea_popescu: or just you know, impregnate guard-strippers in "penitentiary"
mircea_popescu: or whatever else. but in any case - collect all rents.
mircea_popescu: the correct model is the correct model. before you may claim exception you must master the model.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're in the position of a schoolyard lout who seeks to absolve his ungrammatical "poetry" on the grounds that shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: the model is not a matter of random implementation thereof.
mircea_popescu: not particularly. there isn't any form that's perpetual. ideas are ; forms change.
mircea_popescu: attempting formal immortality is a good definition of ustardism.
mircea_popescu: their fundamental idea that "if i don't swear i'll go to heaven" is entirely built of this stupidium
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, asciilifeform i'd say you'd be a lot more benefited by somehow retaining the loyalty and services of an old whore that knows how to negotiate rents ; than by trying to become warlord.
mircea_popescu: the doctor's profession is to cure the curable, not the incurable, and not "the sick".
mircea_popescu: understanding this first point is what even allows the doctor to be A DOCTOR, ie, professional. as opposed to amateur, ie, quack.
mircea_popescu: as long as you expect your profession to be what you say, you're necessarily an amateur, looking at magazine depictions of fthe profession in question
mircea_popescu: ie, if you manage to cure it, it was curable. otherwise, no. but note that the people who invent cures aren't PROPER doctors.
mircea_popescu: oft they manage to imbibe the professional trappings, but oft this also kills them\
mircea_popescu: if you're looking to invent cures, quacks are pretty good at it too.
mats: Wilson, Charles born 1954, U.S. Magistrate Judge, U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida, 1990-1994
mats: is the only eligible fella missing from my list
mats: Clinton Averitte born 1948, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas 1987 - present
mats: he'd have been 45 in 93
mircea_popescu: so it pains me to admit that i just invented the world's first vodka cocktail.
mircea_popescu: "take a shot of every vodka in the house, pour in glass, stir. add twist of gin. serve."
mircea_popescu: you know the various trollboxes are full of redditards with things to say. what's so special about this one.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 16:55 asciilifeform: (and yes you can do blockchain over shortwave. after learning this algo, and not before)
phf: there's two spooks discussing "good old times" couple of tables away from me at some empty diner in maryland
trinque: phf: write something incomprehensible on a napkin and drop it in front of them as you leave
phf: there you go again, applying maths and stuff. graph! number! how hard is it to get??
mircea_popescu: but since the answer's not that readily translatable, let's delve. "x de y" is a very common pattern of early childhoold romanian construction, so much so that it's a byword for infantilism.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so blog de internet, "blog of internet", there's that.
mircea_popescu: and "care este" is a typical form of uneducated ro usage, particularly favoured in the mudplains around bucharest. a sort of pop-philosophy turned verbal automatism.
mircea_popescu: phf ikr! i lack the background and experience in management experience, is the problem.
phf: the fact that you run shell scripts on your data basically disqualifies you from participating in management. you're supposed to leverage, that shell script is $500k initial investment ruby on rails project
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, the only possible conclusion is that ~nobody went to school.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 16:50 asciilifeform: transform arbitrary byte array B into generator of datagrams, where you can collect N in any order, and N weights <= 2B, to re-create B
mircea_popescu: ie can we finally get rid of the concept of "packet" altogether ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 20:30 mircea_popescu: ie can we finally get rid of the concept of "packet" altogether ?
phf: oooh oooh ooh 26! with 1500 or under payload
hanbot: so in eulora marketing research i find colorado is a desert for cs --but plenty of "peace studies" majors, and even a "creativity engineering"
hanbot: offered online too, 'cause no doubt it's moar peaceful to do nothing in your pjs than to threaten others with the horrid visage of your presence.
phf: asciilifeform: what's your luby transform code written in?
deedbot: rdponticelli voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "I found myself with a girl under each arm, a scotch in hand, dead center in the front of a crowd observing the fire dancing show taking place during the big Friday night finale of PorcFest XIII. Having ingested both MDMA and LSD1 earlier that evening, I imagined the scene took on a particularly mystical quality."
mircea_popescu: while you're all dicking about, the trishop's doin' all the partying.
mircea_popescu: then he wonders what is porcfest about anymore. gee whiz, i dunno.
shinohai: There are many job opportunities in the US and of A. For men, construction worker, taxi driver or accountant. For woman, prostitute.
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shinohai: ty pete_dushenski and congrats on getting that patched ;)
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a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 19:41 mircea_popescu: but since the answer's not that readily translatable, let's delve. "x de y" is a very common pattern of early childhoold romanian construction, so much so that it's a byword for infantilism.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 15:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, ethereum itself is brought to you by ming chan, "an mit alumna", vitalik buterin, which you no doubt remember as an obscure bitcoin punk, jeffrey wilcke, bernd lapp ("bern lapp's background and experience in management experience spawns many years"), stefano bertolo, yessin schiegg, willioam mougayar, thomas greco (omise), and vladislav martynov. see
https://archive.is/Se89j trinque: about time I updated ratings as well
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a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 02:09 mircea_popescu: buy thermotransfer crap in turkey, for like 10 bux a pile of 100, sell them for like ten bucks a pop. "advanced!"
trinque: $v 06F0495711D93A823310A408CEB7398420EABAC294A8351FABCC398F6B037C54
a111: Logged on 2015-10-12 15:02 mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296856 << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn't have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 00:34 asciilifeform: what was it mircea_popescu said, 'never interrupt an enemy who is in the middle of fellating his nagant'
shinohai: What's with this eth/dao surge in price, did butterin float more usd into the mess?