mircea_popescu: (it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving.
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mircea_popescu: newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
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BingoBoingo: I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices
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kakobrekla: how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it
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phf: asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler.
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phf: (i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access)
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cazalla: i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity
phf: asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc
trinque: BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches
BingoBoingo: trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course
trinque: see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title
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BingoBoingo: Second Note to potential Qntra submitters: Stuff doesn't have to necessarily be "amped up" to appear on Qntra
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mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa
cazalla: mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise.
cazalla: 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off
mircea_popescu: also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note.
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups
cazalla: a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
BingoBoingo: ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal?
trinque: can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast
trinque: though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable.
mircea_popescu: you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite.
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mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art".
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc.
mircea_popescu: if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one.
mircea_popescu: this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews.
mircea_popescu: whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only.
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mircea_popescu: i meant more like "this no longer happens but it continues to happen for me only". it's nonsense.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter
mircea_popescu: seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police"
trinque: also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help
mircea_popescu: nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me!
mircea_popescu: or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed".
mircea_popescu: the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals.
mircea_popescu: and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting.
mircea_popescu: fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather,
mircea_popescu: let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself,
trinque: asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped
mircea_popescu: there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion.
trinque: how many decisions do they make on their own per day? what's the ratio?
mircea_popescu: that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent
mircea_popescu: doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house".
mircea_popescu: even if the house itself may be the size of a contemporary town.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan.
mircea_popescu: many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind.
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does.
mircea_popescu: part of parcel of why actual people do not wish to live in the land of the dumb.
trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they not do that to hoover, if they were that brave ?
mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria
mircea_popescu: not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth.
trinque: asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are
mircea_popescu: which is why old men make good senators and horrible dictators.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds.
trinque: asciilifeform: that just isn't done
mircea_popescu: now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place.
mircea_popescu: they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men"
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assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 20:49:44; ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket.
mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even.
mircea_popescu: consequently, /me suspects that this is more an artefact of incompetence and fear than actual nature.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what starvation. are you proposing i'm BUYING my shit ?
mircea_popescu: ya sure. and if i were fucking starving, what exacty difference;d it make to you ?
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mircea_popescu: cazalla "fluturele alb al verzei". cabbage white buttefly.
cazalla: yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them
mircea_popescu: but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated.
trinque: man I love talking with bums
mircea_popescu: i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me
mircea_popescu: o btw, feminazis chicks : how come you don't go begging more often bitchez ? you know, for equalitit.
mircea_popescu: "oh, men dominate all professions. mostly, busking. but let's talk about vague shit instead like carly fiorina and how she ruined hp"
mircea_popescu: Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ... ) <<< i expect they expect "men" to "fix everything" because "theyt're good at that and shit" ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck let the 15yos out of their mother's basement.
trinque departs to drink and be merry with the couple of highly respectable gentlemen (such as ben_vulpes) he had the honor to meet on his tour in Portland.
cazalla: damn them chicken wings were good.. 24 hours in a tub of soy and yellow box honey then smoked with mesquite.. i am snake full of chickun wingz
mircea_popescu: Quantified Directly Measured Data 42,348 US rank (quantcast) ; Global Rank 1,096,708 (down 546,035) Rank in United States 419,214 (alexa)
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assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 10.04 B (19%) on Yes, 43.35 B (81%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 95`867 (100`000 to 10`000) ... (
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BingoBoingo: That ETH bet is moving up awfully fast for a bet that only started with 1 BTC
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assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:42:57; mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
mircea_popescu: "The organisation hopes to buy the Concorde currently on display at Le Bourget airport in Paris. If it is successful, the plane will be restored before resuming operation as a private heritage aircraft that will be flown at air displays as well as being available for charter. "
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kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa < mno. what another lie to a liar?
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punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah
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punkman: Trump: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
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assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 03:13:14; trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
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mircea_popescu: government by the aliens, for the aliens, with these people.
punkman: mircea_popescu: japanese parliament iirc
mircea_popescu: someone gotta explain to me on what basis the (mistaken, btw) proposition that "the UK" exists, or has a government or anything is even supposed to rest.
mircea_popescu: we might as well discuss the heavenly host. purely imaginary nonsense with no practical bearing.
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mircea_popescu: vbuterinEthereum - Vitalik Buterin thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam Blue-ChainEthereum - Ken Kappler avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande crypto_jesusEthereum - Konstantin Kudryavtsev frozemanEthereum - Fabian Vogelsteller
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000
punkman: ethercoin is an altcoin, not ethereum
mircea_popescu: (the other one is around 0.001 last it traded, which is August)
mircea_popescu: this one STARTED in august, and it's gonna be 0 by november or whatever.
punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe there's 40 btc on its survival.
mircea_popescu:
https://www.ethereum.org/ << impressive they crossed out "safe". unimpressive they omit to mention "ethereum is blablabla JUST LIKE RIPPLE" and "its perspectives are nil, JUST LIKE RIPPLE'S WERE".
mircea_popescu: "Social business founded to open up the world of how things are made"
mircea_popescu: really this thing should be preserved for future derps.
mircea_popescu: the problem of making future derps digest history is un fucking solvable already.
mircea_popescu: like getting malnourished african children to eat beef jerky.
mircea_popescu: "The foundation is currently in the phase of restructuring its communications activities. Several members of our current communications team in London are soon leaving or reducing their involvement in the Foundation in order to pursue for-profit ventures on top of the Ethereum ecosystem; we wish them the best of luck. And so, we have both the necessity and a unique opportunity to “reboot” that side of the organizat
mircea_popescu: ion and take another look at how the Ethereum foundation interacts with the community.
mircea_popescu: As some initial steps, we are going to do the following:
mircea_popescu: We will make an effort to de-emphasize Skype, and emphasize Gitter as a means of real-time communication for developers. Gitter has the advantages that (i) it’s easier to quickly jump in and participate,"
mircea_popescu: "We will continue our general direction of increasing permissiveness that we began with our recent changes to branding guidelines, and emphasis on maintaining norms of common sense and civility over strict rules. We are not following in the footsteps of /r/bitcoin‘s theymos. Discussion of EthereumXT (I suppose the closest equivalent we have is Expanse, with its 10x higher gas limit) is NOT banned.
mircea_popescu: We will de-emphasize the “ETH DEV” brand (with the exception of “DEVcon”) and focus attention on “Ethereum” going forward"
mircea_popescu: a) all the wrong fucking choices ; b) they actually believe this shit has some sort of meaning. god help me, "the eth dev brand" ? how the fuck is it a brand.
mircea_popescu: they actually sit around and pretend like this shit's a thing. i have so much trouble processing this...
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assbot: Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux • The Register ... (
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shinohai: When you create your own money, you also get to make up a job title! How cool is dat?
mircea_popescu: all i wanna know is what the fuck broken parenscript they use.
mircea_popescu: eth.sendTransaction({from:eth.accounts[1], to:eth.accounts[2], value:eth.getBalance(eth.accounts[0])-eth.gasPrice*21000, gas:21000})
mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00073687 = 30.4696 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing.
shinohai: I'm still rofl from the guy who sent all his coin to a contract the other day and now can't recover it.
mircea_popescu: so they're not even at discussing jets and immutability yet. so far we're doing "branding imperatives" and "How to call Serpent function from JAVA SCRIPT (including encoding of function arguments)"
mircea_popescu: mindboggling what the population of excel-educated project managers in obscure office space will do with their time if you let them loose.
mircea_popescu: i simply had no fucking idea, i imagined they'd go ineptly hit on girls or something. eat many cakes.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i'd be actually surprised if anyone managed to use this thing as intended to date.
mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aaanyway. that was entertaining. thanks whoever threw away 10k on bitbet, for the morning lulz.
mircea_popescu: "Taylor Gerring @TaylorGerring · Sep 17 Taylor Gerring retweeted Vitalik Buterin The benefit of #Ethereum being defined by a spec, not an implementation "
mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
☟︎ shinohai: I decided not to bet on that one, I mean there are people that *still* believe in paycon despite Garza being what he was.
mircea_popescu: obviously. i'm sure there's somewhere some people secretly waiting for neobee "brick and mortar stores" to come out of hiding.
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shinohai: In that vein, TradeFortress is sure to give me back the coin I lost in coinlenders too.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:41:47; mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json
mircea_popescu: im still puzzled as to why all the eth derps imagine they're competing with bitcoin, quoting all sorts of bitcoin news etc, when it's quite clear they're trying to eat the ever shrinking ripple pie.
mircea_popescu: technologically urbit, managerially dogecoin, practically ripple.
mircea_popescu: and within not so long, the only people left standing will have a very strong "opentransactions" flavour to it
mircea_popescu: (which is pure necrodearia style insanity-on-a-stick, for the people who haven
shinohai: meanwhile, thank you asciilifeform for giving us a bitcoind that isn't a horribly bloated p.o.s.
mircea_popescu: mostly because warm soup at maryland, but that's limited.
mircea_popescu: she can pretend she's wymyn in tech, interested in ethereum for glory.
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assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:16:03; assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
mircea_popescu: think for a second : your largest bill is worth ~80 euros.
mircea_popescu: the eu still has 500 euro bills, which are about as useful as argentine 100 pesos.
mircea_popescu: "no inflation for a century" ==> "time to cut two zeros off the currency"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00073494 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: nobody that you know paid in cash for a house or even a car. think about that. what cash ?
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago you COULD NOT buy a house in romania other than for cash. no matter what.
mircea_popescu: the only incentive to do that is the loss of face over having to print wider bills to accomodate the increase in digits.
mircea_popescu: as the us is not printing new bills, the incentive is not present.
mircea_popescu: so far it's more like a "pack of wild dogs invaded your living room ? quick, drop some squaky toys on the floor!11"
mircea_popescu: so since i'm now looking at the table of "crypto currencies", as if that's a thing now (hey, why not you know, alternate centers of gravity - why not!!1), here's a table :
mircea_popescu: 1 Bitcoin $ 3,380,982,278 $ 231.09 14,630,650 BTC $ 14,104,800 -1.02 %
mircea_popescu: 2 Ripple $ 242,349,655 $ 0.007460 32,488,247,336 XRP $ 614,620 -0.87 %
mircea_popescu: 3 Litecoin $ 121,542,198 $ 2.87 42,357,610 LTC $ 811,946 -3.64 %
mircea_popescu: 4 Ethereum $ 61,476,700 $ 0.838699 73,300,075 ETH $ 426,907 -1.99 %
mircea_popescu: 5 BitShares $ 14,993,647 $ 0.005969 2,511,953,117 BTS $ 468,786 12.20 %
mircea_popescu: someone fucking explain to me what is the MEANING of "quarter billion mkt cap" over half a million trade volume.
mircea_popescu: in what sense does this make sense ? you don't even need to have finance experience to notice this nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'
mircea_popescu: General Motors Company (GM). volume : 17,957,300 (3 mo avg) , 1.58 Bn outstanding.
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is pushing it with its 0.005. but this 0.001 bs...
mircea_popescu: dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00074329 = 24.6029 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why would that be the case, the less liquid a market is the more hope driven it is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to sum up : mkt cap / mkt volume factors. bitcoin 0.004171805 ; ripple 0.002536088 ; ltc 0.006680363 ; 0.006944208 ; "bitshares" 0.031265642 ; general motors, 0.01136538
mircea_popescu: or if you don't like gm, apple is 59,026,600/5.70 bn = 0.010355544
mircea_popescu: but if you'd prefer minerals, how about shell. 1,583,440 / 3.16bn = 0.000501089
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54158 @ 0.00073959 = 40.0547 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:50:33; mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, berkshire's 297/811760 = 0.000365872, better example in that vein
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:54:39; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:51:38; mircea_popescu: because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven.
pete_dushenski: my guess is bois thought that gender equality meant that they could be enthusiastic too
mircea_popescu: o wait. they also think wrinkly old usgfag qualifies huh.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "bitshares" turns out to be yet another bitbet-killer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45595 @ 0.00074465 = 33.9523 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "BTS's consensus algorithm is DPOS, which is roughly that stakeholders vote on a relatively small set of block validators (~100). All stakeholders care about is "sufficient" decentralization - block validators are quick to replace. These validators can be high-performance servers."
mircea_popescu: If you tumbled over the term interest, you probably read an outdated posted. Sorry to tell you but there is no interest on your bitUSD ... for legal reasons ... thus the community decided to call it a yield :-). That yield is payed out every time you transfer bitUSD (that are older than 24h). This effectively is an interest, but has an other name. Check out the our info graphic about is:"
pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "Please Note: We are in no way affiliated with the Official Ethereum project."
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:26:49; punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
pete_dushenski: "President Barack Obama nominated Eric Fanning to become the next secretary of the Army, the White House said, paving the way for the first openly gay leader of a military service branch in U.S. history."
mircea_popescu: the company ? which the guy called "a major breakthrough in finance" ?
mircea_popescu: i thought azn ppl were supposed to be throwing the curve.
mircea_popescu: "Former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has joined forces with a cryptocurrency firm to bring bitcoin ATMs to Las Vegas. The deal with Conexus and Bitcoin Direct is believed to be the first celebrity partnership in the bitcoin industry."
pete_dushenski: there are probably a raft of 'polimedia' links on loper that do the same.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha australia, that shithole where canaries are illegal ? lmao.
assbot: If Primecoin becomes international transferring instrument, the price versus USD will potentially hit 1,000! : primecoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1Waptmp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00075242 = 5.2669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00075242 = 8.2014 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "CoinTelegraph Media Group is the largest international cryptocurrency-related marketing and advertising agency in the world. Our Ad opportunities provide our clients with wide-reaching penetration into the cryptocurrency-oriented community."
mircea_popescu: and in retrospective lulz, murdoch paid 5bn for dow jones in 2008. last summer ft sold (to nikkei) for 1.change bn.
mircea_popescu: it does maybe 20mn profit over half bn revenue. which half bn revenue dropped 80% over the decade and will drop 90% over the next decade.
pete_dushenski: japs were thinking 'not my bezzlars, don't care where they come from or where they're going, just that they're active rather than passive'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76549 @ 0.00075305 = 57.6452 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: "General Motors admitted wrongdoing and will pay a $900-million penalty, but will avoid federal prosecution for its mishandling of an ignition-switch defect in some of its older cars." << even 'chosen ones' have to pay their tithes/baksheesh.
mircea_popescu: "Many economists believe that balance sheet losses are irrelevant for a central bank, so they should play no role in policy."
pete_dushenski: this is precisely what i mean by 'economists' of which noah smith is a prime example
pete_dushenski: 'many economist believe that inflation doesn't erode your savings'
pete_dushenski: it's the most meaningless source in the universe for a journalist to cite
mircea_popescu: clearly they're shopping for many economists the same place gavin did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104950 @ 0.00075475 = 79.211 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00075223 = 28.4343 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: roizen is actually one of those actual women in, well, not tech, but anyway.
ben_vulpes pours out a drink for the memory of trinque in town
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this is relevant to a question i've been mulling of late. say a new client shows up at my door, and i like their shit so much i want to buy a chunk of it. how would i navigate both owning a chunk of the new company and also my consulting company that would be building large swathes of the product? seems a bit ethically and incentive-alignmently fraught.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35962 @ 0.0007542 = 27.1225 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the only problem with it is that it's a profession, and you don't have a clue how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075612 = 15.1224 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00075149 = 5.7113 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski off for a haircut and some exercise (fear not, the jewfro will survive)
ben_vulpes doesn't understand anything about how the world works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00075683 = 6.1629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00075683 = 9.1955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00075377 = 20.9548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00074793 = 42.7068 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54027 @ 0.00073781 = 39.8617 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 17:06:23; mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00073334 = 7.3701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00073704 = 11.5428 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema article i been working for the past coupla hours now stands at 7.5k words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00074621 = 2.5983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00073852 = 18.2045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00073658 = 30.9364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00073594 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00073374 = 17.6098 BTC [-] {4}
ag3nt_zer0: "An investigation of how political correctness has impinged on freedom of speech and intellectual diversity on college campuses."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87641 @ 0.00073348 = 64.2829 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00073326 = 24.0143 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: not bad ag3nt_zer0 having a glass or 8 of wine and you?
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: just watching that indoctrinate U movie haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00073322 = 29.952 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20122 @ 0.0007331 = 14.7514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31354 @ 0.00074518 = 23.3644 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00074133 = 30.9876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074559 = 19.3853 BTC [+]
shinohai: tl;dr I don't know this shit but it is critical to get people to adopt my scamcoin. SO help plox, thx bye.
shinohai: btw excellent trilema post mircea_popescu. I don't have the greatest understanding of such things but that certainly makes sense.
shinohai: It's easy to see in comparison why most new ventures fail nowadays.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00074624 = 29.2153 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: Tablets are shit too, imho phf
phf: that goes without saying
phf: i wouldn't have posted otherwise, but for the recent calculator discussions. all the talk about "limited edition retro appeal" in stark contrast to b-a considerations
shinohai: b-a has the brightest minds in bitcoin finance, yet I never hear anyone here hawking the latest hardware.
shinohai: To all reading the b-a logs: I wish to compile a list of realbitcoin nodes so if you have one I can list feel free to ping.
shinohai: I got ascii's I think and danielpbarron 's
shinohai: I don't necessarily have to make them public, just wanted to put them somewhere so I could connect if need be.
phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00073936 = 12.754 BTC [-] {3}
phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
☟︎ shinohai: thx will add that, need to write a simple script that can show which are on/off etc
phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00074574 = 26.8839 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:40:54; phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:33:17; phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:32:40; phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
phf: i think it's actually called region-based memory management
phf: also no re glibc-less binaries
phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
☟︎ phf: have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 15:58:44; pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21027 @ 0.00074622 = 15.6908 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:57:48; phf: have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago?
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assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:55:01; phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
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