mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll give you another mindfuck, by explaining the baez reference mentioned en passant.
mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, he's also an argentine. he was the main man of the ex-president, govt changed, he would have to be thicker than the law permits to not realise they're coming to steal his shit next.
mircea_popescu: he has had almost half a year, during which he failed to drive the 200 "automoviles de lujo" ie, upmarket consumer crap across the border into chile.
mircea_popescu: "hid them" through the process of throwing a tarp over the shit.
mircea_popescu: then "el fiscal marijuan" (i kid you not) discovered that there are "a lot more properties than previously known". ie, looked under the tarp.
mircea_popescu: this is not even a joke. they believe cars are "an investment"
mircea_popescu: they also believe "de lujo" means 60k crap from the us, fucking ford fiestas and whatnit
☟︎ mircea_popescu: about 1/3 of the country's trade defficit is rich idiots "investing"
mircea_popescu: and with a country that invests like this, famine should surprise no-one.
mircea_popescu: they readily agree with me when i say "argentina is horribly managed". they have not the fucking inklest of an idea wtf they mean,
mircea_popescu: seriously, that woman put a million dollars into cars.
mircea_popescu: and when i say she looks like a used up old whore people go "o how could you say this about la presidenta"
mircea_popescu: she's no fucking presidenta, she's an old whore from west texas. looks, ~and thinks~ like she did the trucker routes all her life
mircea_popescu: supreme accomplishment is a retirement full of cars. "luxury" cars.
mircea_popescu: you may think that's white. anglos don't. meanwhile spanish folks, fucked by the arabs into a shade barely distinct from maghreb's, white as the queen's own milk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no way to recreditatron this bubble. they're about 5 bn short. nobody's sp[ending 50bn to buy 40mn inept turdheads.
mircea_popescu: the problem there is still entirely mental. their reaction to famine is to further oppress young females, so you won't be able to buy one not because all she does all day is sit in a concrete jail and watch youtube vids
mircea_popescu: but because she doesn't believe there's anything else for her.
mircea_popescu: "civilised" female imbecile, ends up so fucking dry she has to go to jackoff booth in porn store and sniff discarded cumrags.
mircea_popescu: (the movie is very illustrative of old cunt poison, actually. girly buys herself a better looking dress, old woman (who she lives with!) tears it, then withstands the coming assault (which is what women do ftr), and then gets the victim to cry and then they paradoxically bond further (also what women do) and, AND, for the grand finale, the coup de grace, comments that "forgiveness comes easy BECAUSE THEY ARE HOTBLOODED.")
mircea_popescu: NOT you see, because i got you just where i want you, you stupid cow.
mircea_popescu: but because, in the naive girly's imagination, there's no difference between that FAILED act of liberation and the genuine article. she after all never succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so she's more than happy to THINK she's a terrorist, all the more as she isn't even close.
mircea_popescu: and by this fundamental act of nominalistic equivalency, the insanity preserves itself.
mircea_popescu: a mechanism described by clinicians since close to two centuries ago, but who the hell cares amirite.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-16 03:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, adlai is on Abilify
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli you have good taste what can i say
adlai: it's called neurolepsia
adlai is on 5mg olanzapine, in case anybody is curious... 0/10 do not recommend, taken only to placate concerned folk
mircea_popescu looks at the local pharma experts to explain what that one does.
adlai: tl;dl: atypical (aka 'modern', as in "we don't yet have the faintest clue ~why~ this one does") antipsychotic (aka 'disabilify'), perscribed for telling people too much truth, of the paranoid flavor
adlai: sometimes meat-people prefer to hear calming babble. this makes me "gentle meek and mild" (tm)
BingoBoingo: Seriously shoulda done risperidone so MP could have milked you
adlai has discovered that staying up all night sufficiently counteracts the boringness. vox resumica ca 30th hour, so s'all good, man!
adlai: dat editorial improvement :D
adlai had the gall to ask for pharmaceutical cannabidiol... "maybe next year. right now you need zyprexa!!!1!1!"
mod6: shinohai: if you wanna test something ^
adlai waits for the State of April address
trinque: BingoBoingo │ It's like seroqel, induces beetus << seroquel is nasty shit; a quack gave me that for a misdiagnosed vitamin d deficiency about a decade ago
trinque: felt like most of my brain was off
BingoBoingo: trinque: That's how hamplanets feel all the time
mod6: adlai: ya, will be Saturday for sure.
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mircea_popescu: i guess i'm like the only english speaker that never indulged in the chem weird ?
adlai: you don't know the half of it, just the other day my ptsdogenic fund paid for my university catharsis
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
adlai: looks like it's a level-two loop-whole!
adlai: scalpl, having enjoyed mircea_popescu's options emporium during the dying throes of its public trade, will henceforth enjoy the dying throes of vitalik_buterin's nonsense polonium. more news once it actually loses money.
adlai: it's already well along the well trod path - the SCIA has already reported withdrawal difficulties
adlai: although they assured me that my coupla bitcents were safe there, seeing as they're all "investing" double-digit btc in swaps
adlai: sadly my cost basis is already pessimal due to abysmal timing of buying an ethercent to play with before vitalik pooped
deedbot: scalpl voiced for 30 minutes.
scalpl: thank you mircea! i'm alive.
scalpl: i'll enjoy this more if people actually start shorting, or longing, or whatevering, this nonexistent fifth element
scalpl: mircea_popescu: how much noise may i make in the channel while voiced?
adlai: "gotta dilute something"!
mircea_popescu: ok, i understand the part where in order to participate in the bizarro cult of whatever the fuck you gotta abandon any possibility of independent thought, even in principle, and preferablty before puberty. fine.
mircea_popescu: billions of seemingly normal humans, entirely hollow husks filled with piss, all shambling in the EXACT same direction of the same mecca.
mircea_popescu: look : i fucked money, she begged me to stay so she'll cook me breakfast.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of "to". i fucked her. this means i rearranged its essential oils with my penis.
mircea_popescu: like, to guy who fucked lion, lion is same animal. kids at zoo or zamibia irrespective.
mircea_popescu: i shall now retire to meditate upon this most unexpected development.
jurov: that's actually not so bad idea
jurov: like, my IP got banned by incapsula (some cloudflare ilk) for no discernible reason and all sites that use it just blackhole me. even "pay here" screen would be better than this.
shinohai: Hopefully something a bit more robust however.
jurov: no ennumeration of badness can ever be robust
mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
☟︎ jurov: what? email behaves the same way. once you're on blacklist, servers mostly won't bother to inform you
jurov: but email blacklists you can check yourself. no such recourse with incapsula
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 14:05 mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 12:43 asciilifeform: 'Based on the information I have available to me, it appears that the MIT ChainAnchor Project is in part an attempt to get Bitcoin users to register their real world identities and associate their transactions with those identities. Initially this would be on an opt-in basis, however it appears that ChainAnchor has a longer-term plan to bribe and coerce miners into only mining transactions from registered users, eventually prohibitin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said "i'll do x before y", has exactly nothing to do with what you're talking about mr. cheapshot
mircea_popescu: jurov wtf ? a) i've been getting offers to "Whitelist" my mail server for the low low price of whatever for a decade now. b) you just said you checked yourself, what do you mean.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucktarded scammers running the concern troll angle, "oh, subscribe to our service to protect yourself from spam"
mircea_popescu: spamhaus also, apparently. for anyone actually believing the "we are here to halp" angle.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me - wikipedia back to "not advertising", right ?
jurov: yes a) is irrelevant b) pls reread. you can check why your *email* server onj your IP was blacklisted. you can't easily check what incapsula thinks about the same IP
mircea_popescu: seems to me b works exactly the same way for both services ; and a is irrelevant because you opted to go into blockhead mode as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point i actually had proof yahoo sold the content of inbox to spammers.
adlai: isn't this basically the google business model?
adlai: this = selling insider info to spammers
adlai: er sorry, i said the dirty word... back to the lulzmines for me
mircea_popescu: anyway. the emai lthing is run 100% like a scam, with some periodicity some derpass "provider" or other randomly blacklists me, starts sending offers, waits 5-6 months or so for complaints to pile in, then un-blacklists me.
mircea_popescu: back when i was younger i'd actually crusade to get various "customers" to terminate the arrangement. worked about as well as anything involving teh consumertard works.
adlai: wait, isn't the goal of email to "inbox less"? i thought not getting mail was the whole point?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooner or later they figure out, some at least.
adlai: clearly the hashcash targets are too low, somebody get bitcoin-godpapa on the phone!
punkman: maybe that is why all the ustards are always on "a call" or scheduling one?
mircea_popescu: i must have missed the memo redefining "modern" as shitpiss.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-29 01:00 mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
mircea_popescu: the ensuing publicity made it worth ~100x what it was worth before, and made peter thiel a vague internet celebrity.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall. if i said i did, but anyway. deeds of this nature deserve to be properly congratulated.
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, dude walks into a store on bucharest's poshiest street yesterday, pulls out a 10 inch blade and stabs a sales girl, heart and all. love story.
mircea_popescu: such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"
mircea_popescu: "here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
mircea_popescu: cool. i'm working on a little horror of my own, will rfc teh esteemed lordship later on.
adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
adlai: it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
deedbot: Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: $gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
trinque: Apocalyptic: tried $up lately?
Apocalyptic: thank you, apparently deedbot wasn't correctly fixed as i'm still unable to up myself
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: yes just before I asked you
Apocalyptic: got "21:05 <deedbot> You must be registered."
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
mircea_popescu: phase 1 ? we just feed it a list of ips and root credentials.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
adlai: mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
adlai: meshnets, because ip versions can also go to eleven
mircea_popescu: adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
adlai: mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
adlai: Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
mircea_popescu: the better part of P is where it starts doing its own mining bots.
adlai: in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
adlai: kinda like weeding your garden and drinking your vitamins
adlai: because it accelerates graygoo!
adlai: wot doesn't need mining, wot is the solution to the mining bug
adlai: but mining is the solution to the whence-of-trust bug
trinque: ok Apocalyptic, try again. I missed a case sensitive -> insensitive.
adlai: it's another blog post from the future, i'll shut up now. let trinqui take over.
diana_coman: hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
mircea_popescu: i am actually proposing to remove ability of action from people incapable of controlling such a machine.
mircea_popescu: but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
mircea_popescu: the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
mircea_popescu: no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
adlai: mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
adlai: the idea being, running pnodes as seemingly innocent processes on, say, aws/gce/etc?
deedbot: shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
mircea_popescu: the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
adlai: interesting, extending the homomorphism to the operations themselves
mircea_popescu: the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
mircea_popescu: defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
mircea_popescu: the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
mircea_popescu: the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
mircea_popescu: as long as no P can ever be captured, P makes an unbeatable army.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy extracting as much as 1 bit of non-entropy.
mircea_popescu: (this is currently the situation, ftr. all the Ps are dead)
mircea_popescu: this recording a) should be detectable and b) should not be useful.
adlai: the human taboo against theft does bitcoin a poor canary make.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider a simple scheme : n of m, where every $timeinterval k of m are discarded.
mircea_popescu: now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in general, i would prefer a version where "destruct" === "abandoned by P".
mircea_popescu: (the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "abandoned by P" might mean "fed spurious data".
mircea_popescu: we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
mod6: hey shinohai: should be something like this `./t.pl ticket.txt pid 18`
mod6: something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
mod6: so if it doens't work right, no big worries.
shinohai: nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
mod6: hrm. ok will look into it.
mod6: seems to be fixed on my side.
mod6: just hang tight, will have something for you to test here shrtly.