BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> A project to create a completely open-source SoC is... hiring ? isn't this just a little odd, where'd a coupla hobbists get teh funding ? o, snap. not *that* kind of open source, is it. << Seems like it prolly is *that* kind
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kakobrekla: who is in uk and wants to do me a favor
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kakobrekla: yeah, scotland would techically work i think but england would be better.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure. meanwhile 9x% of all internet websites do not make 10 bux a day
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decimation: asciilifeform: do you think the bug zapper does more than murder poor moths?
decimation: I thought studies showed that they were terrible at selecting mosquitos
decimation: dc is a swamp though, so I'm sure you will collect a variety of fauna
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Vexual: ohey mp, did you sign up for lawschool yet?
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Vexual: depends how long you stay i guess
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Vexual: i dunno, one might ace the poop outta one sememster and let a good load of stuff done
RebeccaBitcoin: to make a instant web based wallet you move your mouse around
ben_vulpes: i wonder if its trivially bruteforceable
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: thou shalt not mix js and crypto, much less js and entropy.
fluffypony: I don't think the mouse movey thing is any worse than the the way /dev/urandom collects entropy from mouse movements / keyboard entry
fluffypony: from an entropy perspective it's a perfectly viable aspect
RebeccaBitcoin: btw, this is owned by Kryptokit (ie Anthony) and his crew
fluffypony: as ben_vulpes points out there are other issues
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: is your aim to have a Bitcoin wallet so you can send and receive Bitcoin, or is your aim to write a scathing review?
ben_vulpes: i mean it said "okay!" after a hilariously short period of time.
Vexual: up down left, yeah got it
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: I guess it's using the normal random available to JS and sprucing it up
gribble: What are you asking me for?
gribble: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
fluffypony: ;;8ball will RebeccaBitcoin's coins get stolen?
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: it's not even reasonably safe, given the track record of web wallets
RebeccaBitcoin: so nerd safe = the type of people who print a paper wallet then toss the printer over niagara fallls
peterl: is it a risk to advertise which type of wallet you use?
RebeccaBitcoin: its not a meaningless distinction. Someone told me yesterday that to make a paper wallet I should use a new laptpo, and a new printer, then I should take both and destroy them. Then I should put both in a fire
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: those people are crazy
fluffypony: there's a middle ground between paranoid and convenient
RebeccaBitcoin: so thats my distinction between reasonably safe and nerd safe
fluffypony: a web wallet is not that middle ground
RebeccaBitcoin: to the earlier question, no, I'm not going to write a scathing review
fluffypony: middle ground is anything where you are entirely, solely, and completely responsible for the safety of your funds
RebeccaBitcoin: my concern is that the mouse movey thing for like 5 seconds isn't all that secure
ben_vulpes: we're trying to tell you that it ain't secure at all., honey.
cazalla: what's this prejudice against bald folk?
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fluffypony: well I guess the title of the site is a giveaway
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RebeccaBitcoin: I don't know how to do the thing that makes your name light up
mircea_popescu: because of many reasons which you will find reading the logs
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we already told her why
decimation: roll dice to generate your ecdsa key :)
decimation: perfectly level and razor sharp of course
mircea_popescu: (seriously tho, here's a good approach : make your dices out of ice. they will melt, yes, and not be even, yes.
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: it's not us you should be worried about.
peterl: does having a python script generate a bunch of random dice rolls count as rolling dice?
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin you know we didn't steal any of the OTHER btc that got stolen, either.
decimation: somewhere your python script is calling random() or whatever
peterl: right, how random is python's random()?
decimation: sigh, that's not even the issue, the real issue is how random is your linux or windows or mac's random
decimation: which is basically as good as moving your mouse around
mircea_popescu: decimation not rly. it's not great, but it still takes ethernet disks etc
decimation: yeah it's more than keyboard mouse I know
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin you know, before you can think yourself better than everyone else you must put your tits in the tit gallery.
RebeccaBitcoin: "If I compile the php script and then reconcile it with a mysql database, then reconfigure it to your home computer's settings I can find your brain wallet"
cazalla: RebeccaBitcoin, you bought ether, correct? theft is not a concern if you're giving your bitcoins away
mircea_popescu: i can find your brain wallet right now. sha512sum("iamhotshit");
decimation: rebeccabitcoin, ultimately what you are asking is "audit my security" which involves multiple levels of unkonown software
RebeccaBitcoin: and yes I realize I should ahve just bought it from mircea instead
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: again - for ordinary users you simply need something that is completely under your control, and for your purposes Electrum is fine. It is small and lightweight, it doesn't download the full blockchain (about 20mb in downloads is all it needs thus far), and it has a 12 word mnemonic you write down to backup your wallet. It's literally all I need.
decimation: to do a proper job would require thousands of good man hours, which you can't afford
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fluffypony: Electrum isn't cold storage, it's a hot wallet to use every day
decimation: asciilifeform this is basically "don't blame the pilot" in the air-crash investigations
Vexual: you wouldn't discard a printer
decimation: yes, you put a n00b who failed landing 101 in the cockpit, how did that happen?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: now you understand why those "trust seals" are so popular on websites :-P
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: it doesn't matter who made it
decimation: fluffypony is right, just use electrum
RebeccaBitcoin: Next time someone is like "omg Rebecca Rushwallet is awesome you should totally use it" - I want to be able to say "No, its not safe because blah blah blah"
fluffypony: you're assuming that he is impervious to stupidity or error
RebeccaBitcoin: Obviously you're completely misreading this. Anthony is a little dweeb.
decimation: rebeccabitcoin nothing that runs on a von neumann machine connected to the internet using unaudited untrusted firmware is safe
decimation: 3.) does the javascript upload privkey to the server?
RebeccaBitcoin: Safe = If I put 10btc in a wallet and post the public key here, will it get stolen within 90 days
decimation: if you can't find the source of the javascript on your webpage you are in a world of hurt
RebeccaBitcoin: I just open safari's developer stuff and click source?
decimation: you can't run it if you don't have the source
decimation: that being said, it might be compressed/obfuscated
kakobrekla: on the other hand, locks safety is defined by how much time it takes to break it.
RebeccaBitcoin: I can pick my apartment lock in approximately 5 minutes
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: if you put 10 BTC in a wallet and posted about it on Reddit and some netsec mailing lists and gave it 90 days that would be a concrete test
RebeccaBitcoin: and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe"
decimation: I think they distinguish between overt and covert entry
RebeccaBitcoin: You would "go" because with 10 coins you could safely move out of your moms basement
decimation:
http://www.fedsafes.com/frequently_asked_questions.php "Class 6 safes are used for the storage of documents, maps & drawings. They provide protection against 30 minutes of covert entry & 20 hours of surreptitious entry. Class 5 safes are used for the storage of documents, weapons, drugs, funds, sensitive materials & equipment. Class 5 safes have the same covert & surreptitious entry protection as class 6 safes but they also protect
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mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe" << takes about two hours, if someone could be arsed.
mircea_popescu: someone here could not be arsed for 10btc, and someone who could be arsed ain't here.
Vexual: or the attacker has some benefit from showing the attack'
RebeccaBitcoin: if you put your brilliant mind to it, how long would it take you to crack rushwallet.com
mircea_popescu: there';s no mind involved. asciilifeform already told you the process.
FabianB: RebeccaBitcoin: main concern with sites like rushwallet are probably not third-parties but the site owners themselfes, private key is in the url, readable by javascript; even if the private key is not read by current js, they can change it any second, read it, send it to their server
fluffypony: seriously - there are people that specialise in this that could probably do it faster than anyone here, and even we can ascertain what the threat model is
RebeccaBitcoin: my first step would be to copy and paste that to craiglist
Vexual: then build it offline and run at it
decimation: that's assuming that you designed the parts too, he's gonna charge way more if you need design help
RebeccaBitcoin: set up a bot to monitor the balances of the private keys
decimation: one can design black boxes with assumptions inside all day; what matters is the ability to master the details implict in all the assumptions being made
RebeccaBitcoin: So in conclusion: I should not store any coins with rush wallet, unless the amount is such that I don't mind losing them.
decimation: well, what is certainly true is that you have run the privkey generator on your own machine, using reasonably open software, you have more (not absolute) confidence that your keys are not compromised
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: mind you, that amount can change rapidly based on their fiat denomination, and your lazy self might decline to move them until it's too late.
ben_vulpes: "anything worth doing is worth doing well".
decimation: absolute confidence is impossible until asciilifeform gets his room-sized fpga
ben_vulpes: treat your satoshis well and your integer btc will treat you well.
decimation: heh yeah well we need to find a sufficiently rich prince
RebeccaBitcoin: Before this conversation got out of hand, i was mainly referring to the ability of this site to generate a random wallet. I've read before that mouse entropy is crap. While there are 2892383289 ^298289 possible private keys for Bitcoin, a wallet like this might be much more limited. As such, a system like this might only be capable of generating a
RebeccaBitcoin: certain number of private keys, thus making the possibliity of hashing all of the possibilities possible, then draining any accounts.
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: <ben_vulpes> i wonder if its trivially bruteforceable
decimation: asciilifeform stated this above, more or less
decimation: and what your client transmits in response
RebeccaBitcoin: Assuming I download the source code, it seems legit, I put it on an offline computer.
decimation: what would be the point of an offline web wallet?
kakobrekla: now you know its not practical to be safe.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> absolute confidence is impossible until asciilifeform gets his room-sized fpga << but then where would he sleep ?
Vexual: fuck that kick it harder
RebeccaBitcoin: how can I change my name to the different colours that you guys use
fluffypony: you can't - it's whatever IRC client you're using colouring it
ben_vulpes: RebeccaBitcoin: you gotta get a real client, for starters.
Vexual: im getting troll pink from you rebeecca
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decimation: it seems to me that the few mechanical inputs the better off you are
decimation: a keypad seems like a terrible design for sensitive data entry
RebeccaBitcoin: someone types it in, then a few mins later, take the thermal image
Vexual: then you watch that drillbit get real hot
decimation: re: drillbit << even usg safes are rated for only 10 minutes forced entry
decimation: presumably the jackbooted thugs arrive before that time
Vexual: like buy a known safe, and move the intenals?
ben_vulpes: ultimately, obscurity is your last line of defense.
Vexual: what about a gps inside that only sees the sun if the crack it with one of those doorknocker things that jerusalem has
mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> like the dryer << me goes to craigslist with that information
Vexual: 10 minutes becomes useful
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decimation: as this blog points out, the real reason they are doing this is to bar another escape hatch from the bezzle economy
decimation: this will only make bitcoin look better of course, as each government reduces its fiat to another altcoin (premined of course)
mircea_popescu: Israel wants to outlaw cash << israel needs to fucking burn already.
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decimation: well, going down this road would be a good first step
mircea_popescu: i mean all the sympathy for them people being surrounded by a bunch of arab derpage, which they consistently own bareback.
mircea_popescu: however... they're like the vanguard of fucktarded socialistoid idiocy.
fluffypony: I don't mean paramilitary safe, but safe for ordinary people
mircea_popescu: safer than south africa for ordinary women, i gather :D
fluffypony: Cape Town -> Garden Route -> Durban and surrounds -> Sun City -> Kruger Park
decimation: is that where all the aliens (I mean rhodesians) live?
fluffypony: will take you about 4 weeks to do that route, and it's incredible
fluffypony: decimation: the Rhodesians are mostly in Johannesburg
fluffypony: Pretoria is the vanguard of old-school white Afrikaans-hood
decimation: where's the skyscraper that has filled with squatters and shit?
fluffypony: although given its political prominance they're been shuttered off to the suburbs
fluffypony: we used to go up there when I was a kid
fluffypony: yeah, the building ownership thing was a fuckup
decimation: Why wouldn't pretoria be a nice place if it's old-school Afrikaans?
fluffypony: and ugly, except when the Jacaranda trees come into bloom
fluffypony: then you drive down the streets with these beautiful purple blossoms everywhere
mircea_popescu: is pretoria like a sort of pennsylvania, amish et all ?
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: Pretoria is quite safe, certainly much safer for an adventurous tourist than Johannesburg where tourists are best kept to touristy areas
decimation: my favorite south africa movie is "zulu". makes me want to visit natal
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nah, Afrikaaners aren't like that at all, more like generally overweight, beer and whisky loving, meat-bbq'ing biltong eating men and women
fluffypony: by old-school I mean that a lot of the older ones especially struggle to shed the ingrained views that Apartheid taught them
decimation: fluffypony do you see post-Apartheid south africa going the way of Zimbabwae?
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: safe by most standards - just like any city in the world, there are areas you'd generally avoid unless you were familiar with it
fluffypony: decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;)
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: yes, most assuredly, from all socioeconomic aspects
decimation: I donno, I recall that there were plenty of overseas companies involved in Rhodesia...
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;) <<< this is at best naive.
fluffypony: decimation: Zim's bigger problem was its inability to oust Bob quickly
fluffypony: Congo, Ukraine, and Rhodesia aren't quite comparable
fluffypony: 60% of the trade in the whole of Africa is done in Gauteng
mircea_popescu: under your criteria, specifically, a lot of foreign investment
RebeccaBitcoin: I don't know enough about it to really have a valid opinion
fluffypony: when Mbeki was providing staid, but ineffectual, leadership there were hands that moved him out the way
RebeccaBitcoin: I've heard from others that it is "continuing to go downhill" but that's based on a limited number of people, mostly from cape town
fluffypony: which is relatively easy - the ANC is the dominant political party, the president of the country is the elected leader of said party
fluffypony: so to remove him all you have to do is have a change of hands within the party
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: expats or still living here?
fluffypony: they have "struggle credentials" still going for them (as in they fought Apartheid)
fluffypony: and that isn't something you can breeze past politically
fluffypony: RebeccaBitcoin: South African expats are literally the worst, they're a running joke on the /r/southafrica sub-reddit
fluffypony: they're all like "every week I saw someone murdered right outside my house, until finally I packed up my family and we moved to safe America"
decimation: fluffypony do you think the ANC will avoid appointing another Comrade Bob?
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fluffypony: decimation: I think the old guard within the ANC might have, but the younger guys are starting to care less and less about race, and just want to fix the lingering effects of decades of oppresion
RebeccaBitcoin: in the end it was mostly insults about bald people and so fourth
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pete_dushenski: it's not every day you get mircea_popescu asciilifeform and ben_vulpes answering your burning questions
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you know that strikes me as a very charitable read.
fluffypony: eg. your grandfather had no education and so lived in poverty, thus your father had no education and lived in poverty, and now you finally have an opportunity to get a reasonable education and can pull yourself out of poverty, but there are decades that must elapse before it's more "balanced"
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: there are some, Julius Malema was the head of the ANC Youth League and often erred on the side of being overly aggressive against whites, but he was also overly aggressive against the ANC and got his ass booted
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: well see the jewfro needs no sticking up for
pete_dushenski: it single-handedly got me a rating comment of "pimp" after all
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the concept boggles me. "overly" aggresive ? as in what, there's an appropriate level of aggresive ?
fluffypony: now he's started his own political party and is clamouring for nationalisation of the mining industry
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: like there's no problem in saying that a lot of wealth in South Africa still lies in the hands of whites by virtue of being born into privilege and so on, this is a known thing and it is spoken about and there are policies that are trying to correct this by providing an easier route to good education for the less fortunate and so on
decimation: after all, as I recall the ANC would necklace anyone who got "overly aggressive" in cooperating with whitey
RebeccaBitcoin: overall I would say more like 75% if we include everything
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mircea_popescu: somehow i don't see this education angle too much. seems it's more a case of, "let's take the land and maybe white people will just pay us to be black"
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes - that's what Malema pushed for, and it's one of the things that eventually got him booted from the ANC, because even they believe it's a stupid idea
fluffypony: you don't correct the problem with handouts
RebeccaBitcoin: "Bullshit" with Penn & Teller about reparations: a good episode about that in America
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: that must be about the threshold to get people here
fluffypony: decimation: they were fighting an incredibly oppressive regime, I don't think you can hold them any more accountable than those that continued to push Apartheid policies
decimation: fluffypony have you read moldbug on rhodesia?
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: have you read my paper wallet article?
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pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: not saying you have to use it, merely that it talks about the entropy of javascript mouse clicks
RebeccaBitcoin: ya thats why I wanted to ask you about the mouse entropy thing
pete_dushenski: if not by me, then by my, what shall we call them... colleagues?
decimation: I must retire for the evening but I would be curious about what you think about that, given your proximity to the affairs in that region of the world.
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: ok so what demonstration do you further require?
assbot: Urban Dictionary: satisfaction
RebeccaBitcoin: none of these were achieved: revenge, orgasm, college degree, a really hot dude's phone #
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RebeccaBitcoin: However to what you were really asking, yes, i am satisfied with the response to my entropy question
pete_dushenski: "There isn’t, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i just picked up atlas shrugged today
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: wonderful. next time, we'll work on the rest
Vexual: fluffy, have you travelled outside za into the contient?
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pete_dushenski: ^just stumbled across a very interesting looking math blog, for those so inclined
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Vexual: don't read that, read law
pete_dushenski: those of you who didn't kill andreas should definitely be following that dude
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mircea_popescu: what are the odds that someone cracked a good joke/compliment jsut as the flash went off ?
Vexual: even an slr on burst wont catch it
pete_dushenski: goodness knows you tell yourself enough compliments, neh?
Vexual: oh, sarcasm detected, my apologies
pete_dushenski: "What sort of day have sort of day have you, had..., dear?" she asked querulously. Khan looked up briefly, wearily. "Oh, same as usual," he said, "violent."
pete_dushenski: "How...how's the work going... dear?" she yelped miserably. The soldier shook her. "Put some affection into it!" he roared. She sobbed again. "How...how's the work going... dear?" she yelped miserably again, but this time with a kind of pathetic pout at the end. The mighty Khan sighed. "Oh, not too bad I suppose," he said in a world weary tone. "We swept through Manchuria a bit and spilt quite a lot of blood there.
pete_dushenski: That was in the morning, then this afternoon was mainly pillaging, though there was a bit of bloodshed around half four. What sort of day have you had?"
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pete_dushenski: i'll let your fertile minds play with that while i bid ye "hasta manana"
Vexual: queruoulyly and ruinable are similar
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Vexual: dyo always bet on life?
Vexual: wait, you got a dollar for the jukebox?
Vexual: 6 to the dollar punkman
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Vexual: asssbot got reamed recently
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Vexual: fluffy, its flsh requisiset
Vexual: may i use my imagination?
Vexual: lets us hop in a thing and go totunisia
Vexual: i check all my shit for eastern europe and ios b4 i post
xmj: fluffypony: I have the first customer asking if I can give'm a quote.
punkman: works without flash, whatchu talking about
xmj: fluffypony: that was the south-african Pty i poked you about. German/South african company
Vexual: ever bin zanzibar fluffy pony
Vexual: thats a trade center from long way back
Vexual: thats not how you play frogger
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pankkake: funny that rushwallet thing, coindesk makes it news but I found a 1-year old announcement on reddit
fluffypony: where they got nailed for old nginx + broken SSL et.
pankkake: when really matters is that they can steal anytime they want by serving malicious javascript selectively
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fluffypony: not only that, but if you're on the same wifi as a user you can just poison their arp cache so you can mitm, sslstrip, and voila
fluffypony: so that makes rushwallet an insane security risk
BingoBoingo_: Isn't it weird that people want super detailed and incredibly specific information when we label a bad idea a bad idea, yet they take light teasing super seriously and start writing off people's opinions immediately...
BingoBoingo_: That's what I got out of the Rushwallet wall of text
fluffypony: she got super aggressive and insulting about it too
chetty: super aggressive and insulting is the new be nice
pankkake: nice is just another word for faggot
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fluffypony: can we stop using the stiffy disk icon to save files!
pankkake: I've never used an application with speech bubbles
pankkake: it looks like an horrible skeumorphism and waste of space
thickasthieves: it seems itll be at the forefront of idiocy for years to come
fluffypony: as long as you get your kerning right you're home free
thickasthieves: all these consumers being trained to discern aesthetic nuance, yet ignore substance
chetty: eye candy is where it is at!
fluffypony: to be fair, I to prefer form over function
fluffypony: otherwise I'd drive a Land Rover Defender
fluffypony: but I think you often encounter Zooko's Triangle
thickasthieves: keeping in mind this is a post from a guy complaining he has 9 messaging apps wor whatever all using icons that make too much sense to him
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xmj: i need one more "yes" to consider the team complete.
xmj: then it'll be seven guys on three continents.
fluffypony: thickasthieves: what's flawed with it?
xmj: BingoBoingo_: consulting startup
xmj: sysadmins around the world covering all timezones :)
thickasthieves: fluffypony it seems to make 3 properties that aren't exclusively linked or equally related and paint them in a triangle
chetty: <xmj> then it'll be seven guys on three continents.// sexist!
xmj: i have not received one application from a female FreeBSD systems administrator
assbot: Zooko's triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thickasthieves: i also dont totally see how you could then go "applying" zooko's triangle to things not domain names
fluffypony: thickasthieves: apply it to Bitcoin addresses
fluffypony: they are secure, and they are decentralized (no central authority)
fluffypony: unless you like memorising long base58 strings
fluffypony: domain names, otoh, are human-meaningful and secure (provably yours, unique)
pankkake: but as the article notes, namecoin actually achieves that for domain names
pankkake: yes, perhaps not intentionally :p
fluffypony: thickasthieves: there are things that can arguably hit all 3 corners
chetty: these days human meaningful is pretty squishy, I mane is bff,lol,txt really meaningful?
fluffypony: chetty: in this context it's clearly defined, though
fluffypony: chetty: "The quality of meaningfulness and memorability to the users of the naming system."
fluffypony: thickasthieves: remember, this was "invented" by Zooko in 2001
fluffypony: stuff that is the exception to the rule only came about 10 years later
chetty: well I don't 'get' most of the icon stuff .. maybe I am not human
thickasthieves: i understand i have the hindsight zookoi didnt, but then why refer to his triangle anymore?
fluffypony: thickasthieves: I referred to it in the context of software
fluffypony: I was going to elaborate on it earlier
fluffypony: it's fine - you just jumped the gun a little, lol
fluffypony: I was going to say that with Zooko's triangle it was believed that a naming system couldn't be simultaneously human-meaningful, decentralised, and secure (you had to pick 2)
fluffypony: so with software I think that often times it's this intuitive to use - secure - performant triangle
fluffypony: and we tend to pick the secure & performant stuff, most users pick intuitive & performant, sacrificing security
fluffypony: but just like Zooko's conjecture was proven wrong, there is the rare piece of software that meets all 3
fluffypony: wrt naming systems I suppose it's a degee
fluffypony: since even a Bitcoin address can be memorised if you're so inclined
thickasthieves: and even a decentralized network is centralized itself
fluffypony: yeah but the triangle refers to a centralised naming authority, so only decentralised in that sense
thickasthieves: just referring to degree again, all the aspects are degrees
thickasthieves: they each can pull from the other but not in any proportion or equality
fluffypony: I wonder if tox.im breaks the triangle
rithm: zookoo's triangle should've had a privkey backup in it somewhere :|
rithm: sekrit rumor is tahoe-lafs lost their privkey
pankkake: shouldn't the Bitcoin icon be a bubble too?
assbot: BitCoinPage Tahoe-LAFS
rithm: my dialup modem takes forever to load rss feeds
fluffypony: thankfully they're raised 3.8 BTC on the new address, so there's that
pankkake: wait, tahoe devs can't backups? :/
fluffypony: ;;balance 19jzBxijUeLvcMVpUYXcRr5kGG3ThWgx4P
fluffypony: mostly 2010 donations tho, so there's that
rithm: more than a car, less than a castle
rithm: it's recoverable in time
fluffypony: just wait for those pocket quantum computers to come out
rithm: quantum computer can't touch my stellar bro
gribble: Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: well at least he has a nice retirement annuity now
rithm: so like these pictures i'm seeing of rumored iphone 6c's
rithm: looks like a seat of beats headphones
thickasthieves: bitcoin dev funding = $0 ethereum dev funding = $priceless
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fluffypony: thickasthieves: yeah but the Bitcoin Foundation screws the left hand side of that up
BingoBoingo: Prolly that. Also apparently CoinBase does that Bits garbage now as well
chetty: well I can get some pretty good wine here for about 25 peso, and peso is about 12.5 to the dollar
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves> my bet is that BitPay will take over core dev << Why with all the money they ship the foundation?
davout: ;;later tell mike_c the links to S.WOL on waroflife.com link to mpex.co, might want to change the url
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BingoBoingo: thickasthieves> because bitpay actually has necessity << No more than most. Anyways I though they were more focused on wallet fork.
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BingoBoingo: Bitpay puts in a lot of Dev, but... How many foundation seats connect to them?
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thickasthieves: i dont think bitpay cares about TBF beyond it's ability to serve as a tool to its own ends
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mike_c: davout: thanks, link fixed.
BingoBoingo: Don't everyone guess the author all at once...
nam-shub: do you have love ones who depend on you? What if the worst happens, have you considered life insurance? nam-shub can save you big big big!
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Or as you may refer to him Dr. Kaczynski
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i like Ted's essays, wonder if it was all that mk ultra stuff that tipped him over though
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Or you can go with what he said: "The best place, to me, was the largest remnant of this plateau that dates from the tertiary age. It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer the
BingoBoingo: re were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge."
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, i know the quote and he's understandably upset but to jump to bombs even before angry letters might be a bit much
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: You have to remember that pre-Internet trolling wasn't as viable outlet for dissent as it is now.
cazalla: do you think that has stopped copycats?
cazalla: no i'm asking in the sense that access to online porn and rapes dropped during same period
cazalla: post internet trolling being an outlet for people who may have sent bombs in the past if they didn't have it
BingoBoingo: Well, let's consider like versus like, now there are less middle aged and aging hermit sending mail bombs. They've been instead been replaced largely by 20 somethings who can't get laid and take it all out of one venue and they are spent.
cazalla: i don't really see the connection between unabomber and elliott rodger types besides the violence
BingoBoingo: Well, the Elliot Roger type is where the violence is now.
cazalla: they both kill people of no consequence though :\
BingoBoingo: Though I wonder what Dr. K's FBI file looked like when he was in Academia
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Dr. K tried to kill people he though were of consequence
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cazalla: i mean, some of the school shooters have a higher kill/death ratio than him
cazalla: although none sustained a reign of terror for as long as ted did
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BingoBoingo: Dr. K had a problem. How to put his writing in front of as many people as possible. Maybe the reign of terror was more a tool to that end than the writing a tool to jsutify the terror.
BingoBoingo: Think how many fingers wordpress could have saved back then.
cazalla: clearly a smart guy though, his leftism essay helped me to understand some of the frustration i feel towards leftist people but wasn't smart enough to figure out myself
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BingoBoingo: "But I can't answer that because the people who disclosed this decided they want to make money off of this. There's no way for others to verify." Wisniewski was referring to an offer by Hold Security to notify website operators if they were affected, but only if they sign up for its breach notification service, which starts at $120 per year.
BigBitz: I found it... strange... they announced it but then wrapped it up with their own 'Solutions'
BigBitz: and if Sophos research team can't expense $120 something is fucked.
BingoBoingo: Well... can they expense $120 per website?
BigBitz: Their point is around the inability to confirm the data as HOLD won't share/release it.
chetty: the protection racket moves into the 21st century
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rithm: yeah hold security going for the squeeze
rithm: the 'ol hack and hype
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety but it IS spam calls lol. pretty good social engineer skills on them cold callers huh ? how did the conversation go ?
mircea_popescu: "We’ve completed our investigation of your unauthorized payment claim. As the payment was sent as part of a billing agreement, it is considered to be an authorized payment. However, as a courtesy to you, we have issued you a refund for this transaction."
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mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, perhaps a link to promotion in wol faq/news ?
mircea_popescu: so what i wish to know is, anyone left on the internet that didn't shitlist mcdlv.net as far as stmp is concerned ?
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mircea_popescu: how's teh forum thread coming along ? you got banned yet ?
mike_c: it is chugging along. few hundred views. no banning yet, as no forum moderrators have been told to fuck off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.60533716 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1357 satoshi per share
mike_c: this will likely change if one of them ever shows up in the thread.
assbot: Let me google that for you
mircea_popescu: being rich is no big deal, but being an asshole is worth all the gold in the world.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you're so far the winner of teh referrals contest.
mike_c: w00t. take note advertisers.
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "2. Forbidden to ever make peace with a monarch, a prince or a people who have not submitted." << definitely how it goes for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: none of this "adapt bitcoin to whatever laws" and none of that "adapt laws to bitcoin" either. submission, complete, not negociable.
pete_dushenski: and how you beat penguirker to the punch never ceases to amaze me
mircea_popescu: "The father Temüjin knew was not his biological father but his wife’s captor"...
mircea_popescu: it attaches to the named. temujin had a wife as an unborn ?
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Namworld:
http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/ << Of course they can regulate anything. Regulating never prevented people from doing whatever they pleased, neither does it in this case. Regulating involves having sticks to deter non-compliance if discovered. Anyone can do that for anything, provided they got a sufficient amount of sticks in the region they wish to regulate.
assbot: Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Namworld: They even didn't say that Bitcoin can't do X or Y, because they can't regulate that, obviously. They regulate what their own people can or cannot do/use.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: right. should be "mother" instead of "wife"
Namworld: Regulating people usually involve punishment after the fact, since altering how the world works isn't really a possibility.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i think you're missing a major component here. what you describe, I can afford, the us can not.
mircea_popescu: the us may only exist as a LAWFUL body, not as merely a regulatory body.
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Namworld: Well one could argue they indeed have the means to enforce local regulation CURRENTLY. If that ends up being bad and hurts them afterward, they just loose power.
mircea_popescu: just as well one could argue they don't have the means.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the test is disproportionately expensive to undetake, for this reason.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, one party risks being maintained by the other, at its expense, well in excess of 100 btc a year, for a while. on the other hand, that other party risks complete disolution.
mircea_popescu: kinda why lenin and the gang survived the tsar just fine.
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pete_dushenski: sorry, lenin and co survived because they had the financial means to outlast the tsars?
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tsar (who ruled by divine right) govt (which HAD the authority to exist as a merely regulatory body) made a leninlicense.
mircea_popescu: which lenin did not bother to get. he was arrested, and accused of lenining without a license. this is the test above.
mircea_popescu: if lenin fails this test, his punishment is to... go to switzerland.
mircea_popescu: if the tsar's government fails the test, its punishment is to no longer exist.
mircea_popescu: this differential does not yield surprising results in practice, and the standing of the us govt is weaker than the tsar's was.
assbot: This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> if not by me, then by my, what shall we call them... colleagues? << it's the peerage ;)
pete_dushenski: and mr. ben_vulpes, as a student of power, you should enjoy this most recent blog post
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ben_vulpes: am only waiting for babe to enface-ify then it's bike to breastfast sammich time
ben_vulpes: great thing about new server is that i can run it as hot as i want without some virtualization layer going "mmmm, that's a little bit too hot. let's bork your input and ouput for a bit."
pete_dushenski: "Google will begin using website encryption, or HTTPS, as a ranking signal – a move which should prompt website developers who have dragged their heels on increased security measures" << lulz
ben_vulpes: (plus 8 whole cores! oodles of memory!)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no heartbleed, no pagerank. << search engines. next frontier of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i know i treat teh backdoors as a right...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with google is that it's becoming rather irrelevant. think about your own data consumption process, how often do you include something you found on google ? and when exactly ?
mircea_popescu: if you dont, you know how to identify one, and google supplies a raw list, like a sort of research intern.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: badminton << count me in for this team! 99.9% chance i'm the best player here :)
mircea_popescu: in any case, the people who end up places because google are generally speaking they too young or too stupid to have a populated mental space / bookmark list
mircea_popescu: and the more action driven among those are on the various muppetwitters already
mircea_popescu: so really there's not all that much left google can do.
pete_dushenski: or they just like typing in the url bar to get the wiki link
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i know i call lo... from the url bar to go places 10x as often as i call google.
mircea_popescu: and that's raw frequency. if moderated by importance... 99% of what google does for me is grep trilema.
chetty: lets go back to gopher
mircea_popescu: it'll be the lulz of all time if 20 years from now google survives as this grim, unwelcoming steward of usenet archive.
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pete_dushenski: some nincompoop thinks zuckerberg can amass 1 mn btc. just like that. more lulz
BigBitz: I'm sure he could do a 51% attack if he /really/ wanted. :)
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BigBitz: yeah, because he wouldn't have the financial resources to do it on BTC....
pete_dushenski: BigBitz: his resources are tied up in a stock which he basically can't sell
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BigBitz: Yeah that $3B he cashed out must be hardh, pete_dushenski.
BigBitz: He cashed out over $4B if I remember.
BigBitz: We would need to Google to confirm but, yeah, pretty sure he cashed out multi Billions.
BigBitz: and he did some last year as well.
BigBitz: So I guess he has cashed out over $5Bn.
BigBitz: Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible.
pete_dushenski: "While Zuckerberg will end up pocketing $33 million, his overall stake in Facebook is barely changing, and he’s donating $1 billion to charity."
BigBitz: Yeah that was the second cash out - he did $3Bn this year I am almost certain.
BigBitz: According to a Facebook filing this week, Zuckerberg pulled the trigger on some 60 million shares worth of options at the end of last year, netting a profit of about $3.3 billion. He immediately turned around and sold more than 41 million shares while turning over 18 million, worth almost $1 billion at the time, to his favorite charity, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation.
BigBitz: So yeah... he got dat paper, yo.
pete_dushenski: well, if the "super rich" could touch bitcoin, they would
BigBitz: You change from "omg not possible" to "they would if they could" heh.
BigBitz: I suspect plently of rich people have Bitcoin.
BigBitz: If they want it they can get it.
BigBitz: ie; if Zuckerberg really really really wanted 1M BTC of course he could.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (nobody but me and perhaps half a dozen other weirdos give a flying fuck about usenet archive) << nonsense. history is history.
BigBitz: Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others).
fluffypony: but amassing 1M BTC wouldn't cost him $660 M
BigBitz: that's why we need darkpool/iceberg ;)
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: 1 mn btc on the market would cost infinity billion ;)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> fluffypony: no market implications if you sink the usd into mining vs. buying. << think again.
mircea_popescu: what btc revenue can you guarantee me today for a 1bn usd investment in s.rig ?
mike_c: ;;calc 1000000 / (25 * 6 * 24)
mike_c: hm, good luck getting 1mn through mining
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible. << i'm saying it would be impossible.
mircea_popescu: if it weren't impossible, it'd have been done already.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason only washed up nobodies a la pierce and twinkletoss come derping around to be impaled on the fence pikes.
mircea_popescu: that reason is that the people with some self respect left don't wish to play the part of decorative mosquito.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others). << the world has new kings, meanwhile. the direct effect of this being that no, the old kings couldn't anything, whether they wanted it or not.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz also you will notice, taking 1bn of stock and lavisingh it upon some charity does empathically not constitute a cash out.
☟︎ BigBitz: read the whole thread, mircea_popescu.
BigBitz: not the bit that supports your opinion.
mircea_popescu: it's a cash out when he takes 1bn of facebook stock and gives it to support rebels ousting the us from the ukraine.
BigBitz: he previously cashed out $3Bn worth.
mircea_popescu: that's cashing out : when you take your money and hit someone over the head with it.
BigBitz: does it have to be Ukranians?
mircea_popescu: something i can do, if i want. i can sell out mpoe stock and put a 1bn dolar contract on obama's head.
mircea_popescu: zuckerberg does not. which is why i'm a player and zuckerberg for all the press, is not.
BigBitz: noone is stupid enough to pay $1Bn though :)
mircea_popescu: and whether i do or not is a matter of my own private and personal arbitrariety and nothing else.
BigBitz: arbitrary numbers are arbitary.
mircea_popescu: in the sense someone is stupid enough to pay 100bn for fb and 20k btc for eth...
BigBitz: Eth... the latest scam coin.
mircea_popescu: i have little worry about the actual market value of things actually on the actual market.
BigBitz: It's scary what people throw money at...
mircea_popescu: what, ima be trapped in meta jail now cause you're bored ? log's there.
BigBitz: The point was Zuckerberg has lots of cash/resources. If he was inclined to have lots of BTC I'm sure he would.
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mircea_popescu: he has lots of resources as long as he uses them a certain way
BigBitz: I forgot you and him were buddies.
mircea_popescu: i don't need to be buddies with a cockroach to know why it can't fly.
BigBitz: but the American cockroach does fly.
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fluffypony: $600 million worth of mining hardware would not work
fluffypony: it would bump difficulty up to over 100 billion
fluffypony: ok - so assuming you userp all existing capacity
fluffypony: it still bumps diff to over 81 billion
fluffypony: assuming the usual profitability fall-off in mining
fluffypony: although I suppose you'd have little in the way of competition at that juncture
fluffypony: still, with no fall-off, complete replacement of existing hashing power, and no electricity, you're still on break-even after 263 days
fluffypony: pretty sure if that happened they'd move the PoW to SHA3 :-P
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mike_c: we already know what happens when govt starts mining. difficulty bumps to 19B.
fluffypony: a change in PoW because the mining network is being replaced by a single competitor is a completely different value proposition
fluffypony: I'm confident we'd see acceptance of that change across the board in such an event
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fluffypony: I just don't think that this is entirely plausible through mining or market buys
mike_c: how so? the possibilites aren't limitless
fluffypony: sure, but there are known mining entities
fluffypony: that get interviewed and are outspoken and own relatively huge mining farms
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> $600 million worth of mining hardware would not work << kinda th point.
fluffypony: if they felt their hashrate was being unatturally displaced they would say something
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes - I'm backing what you said up
fluffypony: I had to run the numbers myself to confirm my gut feeling
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'number one rule' of dominating mining - don't be an obvious idiot << problem is the obvious symbol is only defined in the core dump
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decimation: re: google < I've heard from folks who work there that it has already become a sad bureaucracy
decimation: it's amusing to watch the half-life of a silly-con valley company - only takes ten years to go from young turks to us dept. of search engine
decimation: "Warrants become a lot easier to serve when it's only one or two mega-social sites involved rather than a multitude of host providers and network companies. (Conspiracy theorists are already taking note of that same Person of the Year article's mention of FBI Director Robert Mueller just dropping by to say hello to Zuckerberg in the midst of a company meeting.)"
decimation: thickasthieves is that the winklevii fund?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.0009124 = 41.6967 BTC [-]
assbot: Nasdaqs LaValle: Bitcoin ETF A Turning Point | ETF.com
decimation: the question is: if this isn't a scam, where are they going to trade bitcoin?
☟︎ decimation: that seems to be a pretty important detail
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September"
http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.93365572 BTC. Current weight: 20,617.
assbot: Hacker makes $84k hijacking Bitcoin mining pool | Technology | theguardian.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00395048 = 0.7901 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: As many as 8,000 Dogecoins, equivalent to $1.42, were lost as a result of the hack.
kakobrekla: prolly costs more to store this line in the logs.
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 22.10454688 BTC. Current weight: 74,054.
kakobrekla: yeah, just thought it was funny a buck of doge gets a mention.
kakobrekla: is the cobol source of the i presume ex swedish tax legislation online anywhere
mod6: <+kakobrekla> prolly costs more to store this line in the logs. << lol
decimation: it will be interesting to see what happens to the bitcoin price when the COIN ETF turns on
decimation: poor exploit << sounds like a router hack
gribble: Error: "cal" is not a valid command.
decimation: asciilifeform it seems to me that a router is exactly the kind of device that 'wants' to be a dataflow architechture,
decimation: yet cisco et.al. make obscure turdware and charge you to learn how to use it
gribble: Error: "calk" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "calkc" is not a valid command.
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decimation: "I met one trashpicker named Miriam who made her livelihood with her teenage daughter by selling plastic scraps for a dollar or two a day. She was telling me her story: the grinding poverty, the constant threat of extortion and murder by organized crime, the shooting of her husband, the sexual assaults on her daughter. In the middle of this heartbreaking story, her phone rings and she pulls out a nice smart phone, texts someone, and
decimation: turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months."
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1.69 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 91(Y):9(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.79454688 BTC. Current weight: 74,044.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 343 @ 0.01 = 3.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.0018896 = 0.7785 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 141 @ 0.01488 = 2.0981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00091225 = 19.9783 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: everyone's getting 18% returns in the fiat market, and looking at me like the crazy one when i shake my head at the ridiculousness of it all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24947 @ 0.00091213 = 22.7549 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01488 = 0.8482 BTC [+]
assbot: Avalancha Opens Online Store to Argentina's Bitcoin Shoppers
assbot: Schneier on Security: The US Intelligence Community has a Third Leaker
mike_c: ;;calc (194000 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6
mircea_popescu: <decimation> turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months." <<< all this meaningless bs. was the daughter hawt is all i want to know.
empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00091986 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00091213 volume: 642781 btc: 591.26873708 7 day: average: 0.00086209 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00080628 volume: 3327774 btc: 2868.85610629 30 day: average: 0.00082003 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00074501 volume: 9532989 btc: 7817.31985028
empyex: FabianB: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 1 btc: 0.000101 7 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 1 btc: 0.000101 30 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 3 btc: 0.000303
empyex: FabianB: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 1 btc: 0.000091 7 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 1 btc: 0.000091 30 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 3 btc: 0.000273
mike_c: mircea, you sweating yet? warren is still winning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00091135 = 23.7407 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: 80 miles per hour question - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00091077 = 29.8277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00091242 = 3.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41880 @ 0.00091199 = 38.1941 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: TheNewDeal: weren't you the one who liked late easy money bets on bitbet? you should check out the current game of the week on WoL.
mike_c: definitely some late game opportunities brewing.
mike_c: indeed. full featured.
assbot: Game 22 - Death 9300 Life 700 Year 930 - War of Life
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00091077 = 15.4376 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: that's what one gets for betting on life
mircea_popescu: so the 1 buying at .1 lost 77%, whereas the .8 buying at 49 lost 90%
mircea_popescu: shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 ?
mike_c: absolutely, and it would/will.
mike_c: the thing is, there is currently a bunch of free money on the table.
mircea_popescu: "shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 in any and all circumstances" ? i guess
mike_c: so when it gets picked up it will increase the worth of life shares, and the guy who bought at .1 won't be so hurt.
TheNewDeal: speaking of free money, tesla made me some good money today
TheNewDeal: well technically the stock could have dropped 1.50 in the last hour, so there was *some* risk
mike_c: no way, stocks can't peak in bezzle world.
TheNewDeal: yes indeed, it peaked at 256 something earlier in the day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00091049 = 23.9459 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: mike_c, which side am i supposed to buy shares upon?
mike_c: death. you know, if you think it's a good idea.
mircea_popescu: there should be a new constitutional amendment. "no one may run for elected office, be it presidential, as member of congress or senate or any other, who can not recite the entirety of all laws, regulations etc"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00091227 = 11.5858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30483 @ 0.00091066 = 27.7596 BTC [-] {2}