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asciilifeform: which is not so bad, quite enuff for a mips ( or even the old bolix , supposing anyone had the layout for it ) but laughably small for e.g. fpga.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 days, 2 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> in bolix lulz : loox like dks relisted that 'ivory' for 3rd time nao... apparently not so many eager-worth-of-$5k archaeologists any moar
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf in bolix lulz : loox like dks relisted that 'ivory' for 3rd time nao... apparently not so many eager-worth-of-$5k archaeologists any moar
asciilifeform: meanwhile, upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863739 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863746 >> nao perma-mirrored! >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_macsyma_pill.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_ns_pill.txt ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, the ~orig~ bolix, leaked like sieve, yes, regularly we hear about some old fart sitting on buncha tapes he picked up from dumpster, but always same element in story, he sits like tolkien's gorlum, 'my precious!', on the goods
asciilifeform: by all indications seems to, bolix lives there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik amberglint is the 1st digger to actually share , normally bolix folx avoid asciilifeform like the plague, as detailed in old thrds, for whatever psychopathological reasons
amberglint: the crack? I talked to some people in #bolix and eventually got it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, tho possibly phf might , he appeared during prev bolix/ivory thread
asciilifeform: amberglint: think -- bolix bankrupt (for 2nd, and final time) ~20 yrs ago now. still no '4th reich'...
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of amberglint from 1 to 2 << bolix pillage / ns pill
asciilifeform: !!rate amberglint 2 bolix pillage / ns pill
asciilifeform: amberglint: i wrote to him, incl. once from .mil and 100% paying bolix customer (yes), 0 answer
asciilifeform: there's scarcely a corpse in the graveyard deader than bolix -- the fucking ~trademark~ lapsed
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: possibly i am missing a subtler mircea_popescu subthread , but asciilifeform's orig puzzler was 'how to avoid making a bolix', if you will.
asciilifeform: the bolix item where subj was documented in l0gz in detail, was merely 1 example.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827208 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=267 ( and, sadly, afaik the only successful demonstration of this behaviour, was bolix ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: the tunneling behaviour of x11 makes it practical to use a box with no video card, no kbd, etc. as a full-bore workstation ( and this was used as early as the bolix lispm )
asciilifeform: bolix routinely changes hands for price of ~toyoya.
mircea_popescu: same reasoning drives the bolix museumists.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd luuvvvvv a properly photographed bolix...
asciilifeform: and bolix is a 2um; this thing is prolly 22nm
asciilifeform: phf: they ever did the bolix?
asciilifeform: the problem is that i cannot answer any useful question about it other than at brainmelting expense ( see the bolix thread ).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms hating noftsker has 0 to do with the death of bolix, but with the ~birth~
asciilifeform: by the time of the bolix escapades, it was a done deal, if you wanted to build heavy experimental gear with substantial upfront cost and no clear market prospect -- you went to a kolhoz (e.g. mit) and prayed that they'd take .
mircea_popescu: anywya, i think ima reprint (and adnotate) the trinque -linked bolix discussion, because i fear it's so concise and the language so tense, nobody, including myself, will understand wtf was being said in a few more years.
mircea_popescu: the item exists, re bolix, say. which people saw but did not publish. and are to be very much ashamed of.
asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 1uM --> e.g. bolix lispm.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793333 << real life sadly is 'less real than cartoon', asciilifeform for instance is still waiting to be gassed for 'exporting' pgp somewhere during clinton reign, or for bolix warez, or for general unpatriotism, or jaywalking... ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting bit is that the bolix folx did 'make gut bacteria', they had a c and even fortran compiler shipped with the box
mircea_popescu: well what then, "get ye a bolix, ho!" ?
asciilifeform: the bolix arch itself, was never publicly documented. even something like the instruction set, is not fully known publicly
asciilifeform: what i meant is, betcha the daedalus tool ended up mit'd and 'licensed' out for money etc . and ended up going down with the bolix ship.
asciilifeform: nope, the bolix ns
asciilifeform: there will be no second coming of commercial bolix.
asciilifeform: the ones who hoard secrets because they imagine that they have a ticket to being part of some future commercial revival of bolix, however -- those are idiots.
asciilifeform: fromloper: currently i suspect that many, possibly majority, of serious bolix collectors, ~do not want~ there to be an accurate emulator.
asciilifeform: ( for all i know, bolix relied on some undocumented behaviour of it. )
asciilifeform: re fp, i'll observe that bolix used a weitek fp unit
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz to the subj -- fep was an entire comp, mc68k, embedded inside bolix lispm, handled i/o and certain aspects of eggogology )
asciilifeform: ( it has a superior grandfather, the actual bolix lispm. but no equiv on pc. )
asciilifeform: in re commercial lisps , i've used lispworks, franz ( allegro ) , and bolix.
mircea_popescu: people such as here present will claim that bolix or something like that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix", though cathedral alright.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you happen to have a copy of bolix's adatron src ? dun look like it's on the classical disk set, at least not in src form.
asciilifeform: meeeaanwhile in failed experiments, asciilifeform tried to take an xray of the bolix-ivory die, so as to get moar realistic microscopy quote at some point. method : ra-226 capsule (commercial geiger test src), b&w 'polaroid' film. weakness turns out to be the latter : when developed using rolling pin, fixer pouch bursts, and result is liquishit
mircea_popescu: binturds are NOT unapproachable. they are very much as approachable as, eg, reversing ivory/bolix software. not necesarily as perfumed, but be that as it may.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, he was the proverbial nursing home patient described on trilema, who says 'died, whaddayamean, died, where is jane?! we were USED to her' re every colleague who went off to bolix or lmi
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: the bolix people fit a complete lisp-to-silicon system in less space than taken by original 'wolfenstein' .
asciilifeform: just as ceaucescu was content to 'steal' vlsi from the decaying west, i am perfectly content to steal the algos from bolix.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun normally recommend 'screen films' but there is simply no other way to properly summarize what bolix was.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on the other hand any attempt to build a sane arch, without fully grasping the bolix stack, from ic to the compiler, is lunacy. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:55 asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd.
asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( though the bolix shipped with the opposite, an adatron in zetalisp )
pete_dushenski: ya not saying don't prioritise, just hard to imagine that you have only bolix and encyclopediae that qualify as "uniques/rarities". you're like a walking library and nihil fit ex nihilo. in my mind your library looks like http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/6551303327_bb9ac1f5d6_z-565x376.jpg
asciilifeform: prolly the 1 item that might interest people is the full set of bolix docs
asciilifeform: in other bolix lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186&cpage=1#comment-18287
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 04:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just what the bolix wanted huh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just what the bolix wanted huh ☟︎
asciilifeform: hey phf what do you suppose is the mtbf of a present-day bolix 'xl' ?
asciilifeform: i meant the bolix
asciilifeform: or hm, possibly nm, not directly bolix, some ancient prototype on pdp...
asciilifeform: also met a phriend of his, who asked not to be named, who traded 2 bolix 'ivory' cpus for asciilifeform's 1 bolix-3620 .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soft-ontop-of-heterogeneous-iron sounded like great thing back in the bad ol' dayz of pdp, bolix, et al...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701766 << context was, emulated bolix crashes, original iron -- never ( short of physical failure ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701775 << the original bolix emulator was handwritten in asm for dec alpha ( which is why dks sells (sold?) alphas, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186 ) . the x86-64 port never ~quite~ worked, it was a hasty c rewrite. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-20 00:51 asciilifeform: failing this, could start with cadr and slowly backport bolix envir.
asciilifeform: failing this, could start with cadr and slowly backport bolix envir. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( for one thing, bolix is comparatively small, quasi-logical, and nonmoving target )
asciilifeform: phf: i'd rather spend next decade reversing the bolix firmware, than wintel liquishit
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to know it's there, your code with your entire machine could be emulated later (a la bolix on chip say) and you'd suddenly be weak, even if you deliberately included no cache.
mircea_popescu: entirely hermetic artifacts. a la bolix.
asciilifeform: bolix co. remnant is owned by a 'dark eminence', retired nit nsa prof d00d, see old thread
asciilifeform: the usual asciilifeform : 'i intend to reverse and publicly rape all bolix intellectualprowhateverthefucks' d00d: 'atrocity! but do you not fear and worry ! but nsa! ' etc
asciilifeform: it is almost like the ice40 aficionados are following the 'bolix-whisperers' 'we dun wanna piss off dks!111' school of thought
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc dks still services an eternal contract with usg that runs on bolix and nuffin else.
asciilifeform: speaking of old harleys, looks like d00d from #bolix will trade 2 ivory cpu for 1 3620
asciilifeform: as for weight, original bolix was doublefridge size. the 3620 (what i have here) was paraded when debuted by the ceo hand carried on a stage in front of audience, 'only 100 pounds!'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 00:07 asciilifeform: in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, chorus of current and former microshit monkeys in #bolix defends winblows. ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw all bolix iron used good old leaded solder
asciilifeform: in other noose, lotta frustrated fpga aficionados live in #bolix.
mircea_popescu: is bolix very slow at rsa ?
asciilifeform: lol asciilifeform kicked from #bolix, without even saying word
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Uber’s lawyer: What is the patent that is left in the case, as you understand it? Page: I have no idea." (from google-uber suit, via #bolix).
asciilifeform: ( collectors, i say, are to bolix as phylloxera is to wine. )
asciilifeform: liek bolix after the whisperers are done burning through the last ivory's mtbf yea
phf: not even just because of bolix, but the overall "there's working being done here" feel
asciilifeform: at 1"04' pile of bolix, connectionmachine, etc
phf: the later, in fact that little snippet of quails piping in reminded my why i don't spend time on bolix.
phf: that was before i knew either tr0n or probably even asciilifeform for that matter. ascii's been posting bolix stuff for a while now, and i'm not particularly keen on mediating this relationship.
phf: i know trinitr0n personally, and i also spent time on #bolix a year or so ago, but snr went down, and now it's mostly tr0n's personal shit talking place, so i just communicate with a handful of people from that channel who i think are useful by other means
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYECU/?raw=true bolix discussion (they dun wanna have it public). including first ever instance of a "who the fuck are you" handshake working out.