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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those are common "demilitarized" collectors items. In the 1990's the catalogs selling Mosin and cheap SKS were full of all sorts of otherwise cool (sten, uzi, etc) molested into uselessness
asciilifeform: then sks replay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in order of submission, so the top MB or so is ssl certolade, the rest -- sks
BingoBoingo: Or any sks at all, so long as it's not a Chicom one (Clinton I regime weird)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so the standard here is, "a key from the sks system which my gpg at home eats and which is nevertheless not prime and excepting A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 / B01584E9F6CB9E76DEA61E2A73786CA0F4EACC4F because reasons and with a special review clause for later on left blank atm" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i was discussing the dozen gpg generated, sks vintage keys that weren't divisible by 5.
asciilifeform: ( the rest, sks, and the tiny remainder, manual submissions. )
asciilifeform: takes a day or 2 to grab a snapshot of sks. another day to cut it. then swallows in 1-2d
asciilifeform: nope, recall, it requires a cooperating existing sks server. we -- leech manually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you mean a fresh sks dump ? are we running a server or how did that go ?
asciilifeform: then we can do sks.
asciilifeform: and after that, we can do e.g. sks refresh.
mircea_popescu: i guess it could do that then : "x keys broken the past 9 minutes, ssh 5 (olivetti.it, blabla.dot) ; sks 3."
asciilifeform: ( perhaps after this, we'll do an sks refresh, high time for one, last time was in 2015 )
asciilifeform: ( we last did sks in 2016 )
asciilifeform: after these get eaten, prolly will be ripe for a refresh of sks
asciilifeform: fwiw i never pushed my final gpg key to sks, and have nfi if it's there or not
asciilifeform: ( iirc sks ~can~ be configured to reject pubs without selfsigs -- but not everyone did this )
asciilifeform: re sks, might be lulzy to generate revokograms for phuctured keys and send to it. afaik they currently display ALL revokograms with the respective key. put whatever text you want...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like just another sks ?
midnightmagic: "goat". doh. Okay. I wonder if that's Chaang-Noi. What the heck is he doing with the SKS keyset..
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: The earlier dataset would just be evidence I didn't randomly edit mine, and thus prove that buddy probably didn't upload his key into the SKS set before that date. (Since SKS key server ops won't delete keys.)
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: so go and search mit's sks , why ask here.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Correct. However, if the data comes from, e.g. MIT server hosting, or if it comes from one of the SKS key server operators, then that's enough. I can point at that and say "look, more data that says the same thing."
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Good god, no. Not interested in embrace&extinguish. I've managed to capture the attention of Chief Lying Scumbag himself Craig Wright, and a secondary source of historical SKS would mean that I'm probably not lying when I tell people that fake-Satoshi's fake-keys *weren't* in the dataset as of February 2012.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:45 midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:47 midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
asciilifeform at one point put in some sweat to make a real-time sks feeding thing, but junked it when found that it requires ASSENT on peering ends to work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: post the sks link plox
mircea_popescu: more different now than a second before, apparently it didn't have elaine ou's pgp eithyer, notwithstanding it's on mit sks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23#1716770 << looks like it wasn't in sks...☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely possible that it wasn't in the orig sks dump
asciilifeform: mats: you might want the raw sks set rather than mine then
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 13:18 mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
asciilifeform: unless an ~existing~ sks user gives you a connection
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 04:28 mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647772 << i tried this, wasted a great deal of time. you can't get an sks dump by running sks.☝︎
ben_vulpes: sks uses bdb as well?
mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
asciilifeform: i published an sks eater here a few yrs ago, search logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked a dump at some point, check the logs. the principal parts are a sks+trims (keybase, whatnot) dump that might be still available, though 2 years back in logs, and Framedragger 's ssh scan results, which he might share with you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sks does in fact find a key immediately if such is known.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:05 asciilifeform: which, note, replaces, e.g., sks and other heathen idiocies.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639945 >> well no, sks etc are "come back later and see"☝︎
asciilifeform: which, note, replaces, e.g., sks and other heathen idiocies.
asciilifeform: ( not in sks.. )
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 02:16 asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ?
asciilifeform: https://sks-ural.com/staty/tehnicheskoe-obsluzhivanie-schetchika-vody-v-ekaterinburge << from referheaderspam on dulap! and it goes, and goes, every hour, every day! can anyone posit hypothesis why a water meter repair (apparently legit, and 0 other commercial content) spams ?
asciilifeform: and, again, 'displayify daily' will nuke the 'use as sks, check pasted keys in real time' aspect.
asciilifeform: because sks gave it to us with a revoke cert glued on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other obvious thing would be to dispense with 'real time submission' entirely, and when someone dumps in a key, it goes into next batch. but we discussed this earlier in this thread, it would mean that the thing cannot be used as sks-like tool.
mircea_popescu: sks was not that fast. or that complete.
asciilifeform: it's a total replacement (if slow) for sks.
asciilifeform: 'just popped' means that you can no longer use it, as previously suggested, in place of sks, for instance.
asciilifeform: will keep sitting there until the last sks disk rusts.
asciilifeform: recall, it was an sks key, rather than from ssh scan.
asciilifeform: we also have jurov's keys, and new sks sets, and who knows by then what else.
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de << others -- yes on sks.
asciilifeform: i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are
asciilifeform: (it is not, afaik, in sks)
trinque: but at any rate, "I published to sks before old expired" is also broken.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 02:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.☝︎
ben_vulpes: wouldn't one want to actually verify the key components and not just that sks coughed something up for a given fp?
mircea_popescu: shinohai what the everloving fuck, handmade sks ?
mircea_popescu: wtf was that anyway, "go do this and then wait for its imperial majesty usg.sks for until they feel like it". since when!
mircea_popescu: rAISellers but did you send it to the sks servers ?
asciilifeform: but at least then it'll be in 2 places, vs 1, and neither'll be sks.
mircea_popescu: rAISellers did you send it to sks server ?
mod6: after submission of your key, it takes a while for sks to process and index the key so it can be "searchable"
mod6: might be wrong about that. sks sucks.
mod6: at the sks site?
mod6: https://sks-keyservers.net/i/#submit
mod6: about all i can do is try to look up your FP in some sks keyserver to see if its there to resolve that dependency.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, from the koch conf, https://sks-keyservers.net/files/2016-09_OpenPGP-Conf-sks-keyservers.pdf >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5a0ab/?raw=true << guess of what 0 mention...
Framedragger: supersechi: upload it to both http://keys.gnupg.net/ and https://sks-keyservers.net/ - they will propagate keys amongst themselves but just in case you don't want to wait
mircea_popescu: Medow did you upload key to sks servers ?
mircea_popescu: oh oh! pastebin key bypassing sks ?
shinohai: !~sks
mircea_popescu: no need to force people to sks ; not like we're supporting the kochabomination
asciilifeform: neither does koch's not-sks.
mircea_popescu: anyway. sks has no practical future.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html << koch grunts again to push folks to gpg2. this time, by 'obsoleting' sks.
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=gavin+andresen << lulzy - the sheer number of obvious gag keys for gavin
mircea_popescu: first case of koch-gpg / openshit-ssh keys sharing a factor. pity it's such a lulzy one, HOWEVER, it does make the "sks error" nonsense just a little more lulzy.
asciilifeform: though their 'is' is quite lulzy, e.g., the sks server talk is about 'This talk will discuss some experiences operating the services and discuss new features related to new specifications such as Elliptic Curves (including but not limited to Ed25519 and Curve25519) and the experimental Tor support available at hkp://jirk5u4osbsr34t5.onion in addition to providing an overview of the other available pools such as the TLS enabled HKPS p
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this then is a critique of sks keyservers, strictly. there was a thread on their ML, they rejected the idea of rejecting such subkeys (...)
mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
asciilifeform: sks, lulzily, continues to insist on displaying the short fp.
asciilifeform: see, each key is what came out of sks or whoever dumped it in.
asciilifeform: (or from sks, or any sane place)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd remove sks from your 'contact me' page if i were you
BingoBoingo: probably pasted from sks
asciilifeform: (it is not in sks.)
asciilifeform: doesn't appear to be an sks key.