shinohai: "Really, Ubuntu legitimately contains enough stuff to cover many hundreds of walls with shelves ? " <<< couldn't agree more
mod6: mircea_popescu: Reading through 'http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/', thanks for putting this together and your comments around freezing linux distros.
mod6: i will denote that item 13 of the Ideological History of the Republic's second link is missing an 'h' in front of 'ttp..' link.
asciilifeform catches up on mega-l0g.
mod6: <+shinohai> "Really, Ubuntu legitimately contains enough stuff to cover many hundreds of walls with shelves ? " <<< couldn't agree more << indeed.
shinohai: I hadn't installed Ubuntu in forever until I started testing this stuff. It's maddening what a resource hog it is.
mod6: oh yeah. it's a wasteland.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/#comment-119400 .
mod6: mircea_popescu: in the context of an ideological history, I have nothing further to add. I'll denote that the recent progress of freezing trb's 3rd party deps, starting in the end of July, is signifigant, however covered by item #10 imho.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it'll eat up to 4mb, lmk if you need more
ben_vulpes: aaand i have nfi what the story is with pingbacks
asciilifeform: aaaaand i see the lizards already rolled out the legitimization story for a diebolding of ol' mr t.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how would i use shiva to hook into the trb wallet functions?
thestringpuller: and key functions?
trinque: so, phf was the second after asciilifeform to have a key expire. we should probably discuss how this should be handled going forward.
trinque: in alf's case I did --recv-key on same fingerprint when it happened, so same was done with phf's key
trinque: my perspective is that the field is promisetronic in exactly the same manner as nlocktime
trinque: I don't see that it means a thing; control of private key is control of private key
ben_vulpes: fingerprint collisions can be purchased.
ben_vulpes: wouldn't one want to actually verify the key components and not just that sks coughed something up for a given fp?
trinque: I have both keys here.
trinque: ben_vulpes: given that, how do I know I got the right key the *first* time.
trinque: somebody put a fingerprint in someplace and then I asked hitler for it
asciilifeform: trinque: that'd be one of the few practical uses of meatspace conference.
ben_vulpes: ideally !!register <key-url>
trinque: then that gets mitm
ben_vulpes: sure enough.
ben_vulpes: user comes back around pretty quickly with a 'wtf' tho.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554091 << you would have to begin by putting shiva back in... it isn't in the mainline trb (on account of questionable usefulness)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how would i use shiva to hook into the trb wallet functions?
asciilifeform: (and relatively large qty of gnarly and yet-unreviewed code)
ben_vulpes: trinque: i say don't handle it, expiration is a ridiculous booby trap in gpg and updating is all sorts of fraught.
trinque: I have to run for a bit; I put the matter of how to handle this circumstance before the Lords.
mircea_popescu: mod6 a ty.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 trinque: in alf's case I did --recv-key on same fingerprint when it happened, so same was done with phf's key
asciilifeform: stop using --get-key-from-usg.
asciilifeform: yesterday.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so far was amply sufficient, very nice.
mircea_popescu: trinque you know you got the "right" key the first time because the guy registered it ~prior~ to being anyone.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; expiring keys are a major fucking problem. i have personally no qualms whatsoever with simply depersoning anyone whose key expires.
mircea_popescu: "my key expired" === "i published my privkey"
asciilifeform: unupdateable keys are also problem.
mircea_popescu: not retroactively, of course, but hey - you want to expire your key, just fucking change it. BEFORE it "expires".
asciilifeform: noshit.
asciilifeform: 'take off pants ~before~ sitting on shitter, not after'
mircea_popescu: course i dunno if we even have support for this in deedbot
mircea_popescu: even the notion of "expire" as implemented in gpg.koch is nonsense. should be replaced with "disused", as in, "i took it out of deedbot and am not using it anymore"
asciilifeform: imho there is even merit in a scheme like lamport's, where the key has to be replaced ~every time it is used.~ seems like nuttery, until you consider that it cannot be ruled out that rsa (and every other numbertheoretical method) signatures slowly leak the privkey.
mircea_popescu: i guess i should add this to my rsa key length article.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rewmind me, how did i get pubkeys from phuctor ?
asciilifeform: let's take example:
mircea_popescu: Known Moduli: 4391213 Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 460906 ie more than 10% ffs.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD8822B236A7D809CB7D94A9B5E7DF08251829E6DCB988208AD8D3A768CAB9B << me.
asciilifeform: then there is a button at the bottom.
asciilifeform: gets you the .asc.
asciilifeform: or --- http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 << using the longfp.
asciilifeform: these are the only 2 knobs it's got.
mircea_popescu: !!register http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/download/876B66A5F4BB61D4B8BDCDB4F88B565D213C3A3D906FA1656E9E1F841AA2D0E9?
deedbot: mircea_popescu is already registered.
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: see, worx
mircea_popescu: mebbe
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554113 << right, I am of the mind to make two changes going forward, as this was not stated explicitly before.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 02:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554094 << Just Say No to sks, folx.
asciilifeform: (or does it?)
mircea_popescu: trinque so ideally i'm thinking !!register should just keep on working, except if it's already register it should produce challenge to old sig
trinque: one, remove --recv-key entirely from deedbot; two, anyone whose key expires is a dead nick
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep I like that
mircea_popescu: and yes, once key expires the responsible party is fucked.
mircea_popescu: re recv-key, i dunno that you HAVE TO take it out ; but i'm certainly not against removing it.
asciilifeform: did we ever have a case of key-expired-and-no-new-key-issued-prior ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you and phf.
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: not me.
asciilifeform: i -- issued.
mircea_popescu: not afadk.
trinque: asciilifeform: I thought I had not pulled your new key until after the old one's expiry, but I could be mistaken.
trinque: but at any rate, "I published to sks before old expired" is also broken.
asciilifeform: now i cannot force people to pull the reissued key in timely way.
trinque: right
trinque: mircea_popescu's change to !!register solves it
asciilifeform: i still get 'wtf' from people who download the original v
asciilifeform: with old key (differs only in date field, i've been using the same modulus for years)
mircea_popescu: trinque also possibly force any !!register to an existing name to happen in the chan only, no pms
trinque: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, firefox 20.0 crashes about once a week ; firefox 43 crashes about once an hour.
mircea_popescu: but it improved somewhat wrt to improving the restoration-of-session thing, which i guess indicates they're well aware.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 433548 | Current Difficulty: 2.5852274840451544E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 435455 | Next Difficulty In: 1907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform setting out traveling, will have sporadic connectivity.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJN3R_TbcY << will leave this here.
phf: ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgUevFTLhW0
asciilifeform: ^ mega-classic.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we already did the italian version of this
mircea_popescu: !!up ser
deedbot: ser voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: doing some maintenance on mimisbrunnr.
ben_vulpes: done.
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received << CH - [UPDATE] Mimisbrunnr: last block received
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nice going thar.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin infrastructure is its own weird kind of addictive.
mircea_popescu: sort of like radio speedboat model racing or w/e middle class hobby. not monetarily productive, yet somehow oddly satisfying.
shinohai: !~later tell ben_vulpes got wotpaste to behave finally, a little ugly but this did it: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bncye/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !!up pkeane4osu
deedbot: pkeane4osu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ahhh watching the failed "blockchain technology" attempt on the us election is lulzy. http://archive.is/DGofp << nytimes (joan vennochi) can't quite gather to guts to go for "embattled" ; wjs (janet hook) http://archive.is/4mnFs "gop scrambles to... SALVAGE!!!1". salvage what ? "the election". after sitting on their dicks for six months after it become evident gop==whatever the fuck trump says, and nobody other than him has a
mircea_popescu: ny sort of future in us republican politics, they've finally decided to take sleeping pills rather than wait quietly for the brown shirts. ). plus you know "trump enablers" and all sorts of similar crapolade from ~every other pack follower, from boston globe to whatever newspaper nobody read since 1991.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing being that this is an exact replay of what the Romanians did a decade ago. fancy that, the us follows in the footsteps of the great european country of romania!
mircea_popescu: the guy (traian basescu) predictably cut the journowhores in half and fucked the holes. http://trilema.com/2010/razboiul-cu-presa/ << period piece, in response to some nobody haughtily declaring in a similar sheet nobody read that "nobody wins the war with the press".
shinohai: It's the kyklos
mircea_popescu: more like the cluelos.
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus << what the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: this is a joke, right ? some douche thinks he has a place in politics under the label "reince priebus" ? what is this, sztajnszrajber for the english speaker ?
mircea_popescu is surprised to discover the dude is neither vaguely black nor approximately female. seriously, somebody who's surprisingly not a minority is going to get somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: "When 2008 Republican nominee John McCain on Saturday withdrew his endorsement of Mr. Trump, that left 1996 nominee Bob Dole as the only living GOP nominee backing Mr. Trump." ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: "The one figure who might help keep Republicans unified during this most challenging time is the Democratic nominee. Though Mrs. Clinton’s approval ratings have hovered slightly above Mr. Trump’s, she is one of the least popular presidential nominees in modern history."
mircea_popescu: teh deeply disturbed cans of soup roflmao.
mircea_popescu: "Inside the tower on Saturday, different plans of action were discussed. Mr. Trump and his advisers considered a joint television interview that he and Ms. Trump would give to a major network, an echo of the 1992 appearance by the Clintons on “60 Minutes” after Gennifer Flowers claimed that she had had an affair with Mr. Clinton. The deliberations over a possible interview were moving ahead despite Ms. Trump’s lack of i
mircea_popescu: nterest in appearing on camera." << ahahaha melanie trump does not want to be on cam ?! what the fuck bimbo did this guy replace ivana with!
mircea_popescu: (note the fixation on bohemian chicks btw. they may be the one female group most capable of taking a good beating with a smile. either right behind or right after teh ukrainians)
mircea_popescu: i guess it's time to translate.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-war-with-the-press/ << Trilema - The war with the "press"
mircea_popescu: In a statement released after the now-infamous “Access Hollywood’’ tape, Melania Trump said the words her husband used “are unacceptable and offensive to me” but do not “represent the man I know. He has the heart and mind of a leader.” << bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: "In our time, women have been gaining political power as never before. There are (by my count) 17 female presidents and prime ministers around the world today. Sixty-three of the world’s countries have now had at least one female head of government or state in the past half century. But it’s not the fact of their being female that is important, so much as the feminine style today’s female leaders have brought to politic
mircea_popescu: s. The powerful women of the 1970s and 1980s — Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher — were iron ladies, famous (metaphorically speaking) for having more cojones than the average male politician. By contrast, the female leaders of our time are not just female; they are also feminine." << check it out, msm dork actually gets it!
mircea_popescu: the fucking problem isn't that they're women, it's that they're idiots. this is intolerable, irrespective of what the circlejerk may tell itself.
mircea_popescu: and his example (merkel ; esp as seen in how she ruined germany to soak up the net result of usg's terrorism) is well chosen, too. "feminine" politics, leadership and everything else is two notches below suicide.
asciilifeform: warm greetings from sunny chicagabad
mircea_popescu: hola.
asciilifeform: seems like obummer is parked here, or at least his flying hog is.
asciilifeform bbl.
mircea_popescu: "Around 81 percent of American households, according to a recent McKinsey study, experienced flat or falling incomes between 2005 and 2014." << in NOMINAL terms. with > 15% inflation per annum this means that 81% of the people who were employed in 2005 make ABOUT A QUARTER today of what trhey made back then.
mircea_popescu: ie, without the government of us going abroad and borrowing to give freebies to the population (much like the govt of argentina did a decade prior), the housing of the average fambly would have went from 1600 sqft to 400sqft in this past decade.
mircea_popescu: to nicely match the endless decay of the picket fence dream since the 50s.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> warm greetings from sunny chicagabad << stay safe
mircea_popescu: hey, he gets to try out the kalash
ben_vulpes: "chiraq"
mod6: haha, werd.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554208 << it is a shame for women to have authority over men http://atruechurch.info/women.html☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 17:32 mircea_popescu: the fucking problem isn't that they're women, it's that they're idiots. this is intolerable, irrespective of what the circlejerk may tell itself.
danielpbarron: >> In the salvation of God, "there is neither male nor female" (Galatians 3:28). No distinction is made between Jew and Greek, slave or free, male or female, but all the children of God are one in Christ (Galatians 3:26-28). The forgiveness and grace of God is upon all who believe. But, when it comes to God's established order of authority, there is a difference between slave and free, male and female.
danielpbarron: >> Although God has in the past placed women in authority over men (e.g. Judges 4:4), and even today the Lord places women in authority over men (e.g. Romans 13:1), this is nonetheless a shameful reality, as Isaiah illustrates.
danielpbarron: !~bible Isaiah 3:12
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Isaiah 3:12 :: As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
danielpbarron: >> The fact that Israel had women ruling over them was a shameful thing, just as it was shameful that children were their oppressors. Israel was weak, trapped in their sin. Consequently, women ruled over them.
danielpbarron: >> The Lord did not design men to have women rule over them. He designed men to rule over women. "The head of woman is man" (1 Corinthians 11:3), and "Adam was formed first, then Eve" (1 Timothy 2:13). This is why women are to be submissive (1 Corinthians 14:34). God has placed men as the authority (head) over women, and therefore they need to submit to this authority. Moreover, this authority was established from the very beginnin
mircea_popescu: o hai danielpbarron
danielpbarron: hi
jhvh1: [gpgram] pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/67yhy/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: and in other "what is social media for", http://66.media.tumblr.com/68032f649c337f2a51081f5635d07031/tumblr_nxvlndN0Md1ufldteo5_r1_1280.png
shinohai: top kek "Venezuela to give *Peace Prize* to ... Hugo Chavez"
shinohai: http://archive.is/Wdvle
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai: s/to/for
shinohai wonders what sort of prize such impoverished country can give ... lifetime supply of tp ?
mircea_popescu: well guy's dead, so.
shinohai: Well the prize is "named" for him (hence my sed) but first recipient Maduro wants to name is Putin lol
mircea_popescu: !!up th3nolo_
deedbot: th3nolo_ voiced for 30 minutes.
th3nolo_: Hi mircea :)
th3nolo_: how are you ?
th3nolo_: mircea :( ?
mircea_popescu: i'm ok, what's up ?
th3nolo_: same..
th3nolo_: the game is still open .. ?
th3nolo_: I mean.. I can do tasks ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
th3nolo_: :D
shinohai: Well one of them *did* come back
th3nolo_: who ?
shinohai: You, didn't have too many returning players
shinohai: Aside from the ones burned at the stake already.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall who he was either.
shinohai: It's magic, I mention the name of Maduro and Venezuelans show up.
mircea_popescu: lol!