asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948771 << the 6mo i spent in '15 figuring out how to perma-remove poettering from gentoo, apparently not count. ( tho, for consistency: gentoo per se is , turns out, hypnotic scam perpetrated by asciilifeform , there's a perfectly fine!111 os you can buy from redmond, no evil craftsmen required to maintain )
asciilifeform: on top of this, i have a gentoo for'em; an automated system for provisioning; and rk is 'most cpu for the watt' box that i'm currently aware of, is imho excellent fit for a wattage-constrained initially small tower.
asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine
asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method .
asciilifeform: meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd like an exact image copy of your old rk, we can work with BingoBoingo , could gpg . otherwise will be 'virginal' as described in my 'gentoo for rk' cookbook.
asciilifeform: trinque: currently this is for asciilifeform's pre-cuntoo gentoo, but i expect the method can be later transplanted to cuntoo.
asciilifeform: trinque: quick q for when you have 5m : do you know how to 'bless' usb stick into bootability ? for some reason stuck on this ( machine is known to boot stix, boots the heathen gentoo 'live' thing. but not mine, tho is set up exactly like the hdd from earlier test w/ diana_coman )
asciilifeform meanwhile single-stick installatron for dulap-gentoo; will test tomorrow
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dulap-I was iirc a centos6 box. it is possible to live in it. but you dun get the fine-grained scalpel that gentoo folx are accustomed to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lemme know btw if you want this thrd moved back to #o , rather than to put kilometres of gentoo cruft here.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to ~make~ a tarball that can be used in place of 'r2', using a working install w/ whatevr customizations in it, mount the fs at a /mnt/gentoo and then e.g. tar pcvfz diana_coman-gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo . this snapshot can then be used to replicate $box to whatever others.
asciilifeform did this, when baking ' asciilifeform's gentoo ', but most of what's hanging from asciilifeform's lan is pretty slow cpuwise
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are you sewing a gentoo ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: depending on what's happened in last 2y since i last snapshotted gentoo, it ~could~ have spores in it
asciilifeform: sorta how gentoo used to have for configs.
asciilifeform: trinque: the linked recipe gives you the closest thing there was to a working gentoo circa '18 .
asciilifeform distinctly recalls a thread where asciilifeform was unable to try some heathen proggy because 'the correct' tcl would not build in his gentoo. but sadly cannot find in o(1)..
asciilifeform only ever built embeddeds (e.g. for 'm', for 'pogo', etc) via 'buildroot', never made a gentoo for'em
asciilifeform: and certainly in comparison to asciilifeform's fossilized gentoo currently in use
asciilifeform: gentoo has , in any given instance, fuckknowswhat, BUT at least reliably pulls down the particular necessary strand of the spittoon, typically
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you decide to fiddle with the proggy so it goes on 2.6, prolly can be done ; but keep in mind that i will not be able to run yours anywhere, there's no 2.6 on any known gentoo of past decade or so.
asciilifeform: no one yet asked how asciilifeform ended up on 2.7. answr: it's where gentoo stopped when died and i put it in waxworks.
asciilifeform: then -- yer gentoo has turned into equiv. of hand-sewn buildroot linux, where sure you can install things, but nao gotta manually tar ... ./configure && make && make install etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'ebuilds', as i understand trinque's angle was/is to organically replace gentoo's ebuild duct tape with vtron
asciilifeform: ( a coupla particular quislings, e.g. orig author of gentoo -- WITH pension/etc. )
asciilifeform: the rk gentoo is half a GB iirc (incl. gcc toolchain)
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's old gentoo with evil kmod turd from nv, currently
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman built the cuntoo that runs on the 2nd s.mg box, on this gentoo.
asciilifeform: to be maximally pedantic : both 'dulap' and 'rk' gentoo tarballs were created by literally tarring up the contents of two respective boxes where asciilifeform hand-sewed a gentoo based on the classic 2015-era 'kill list' gentoo recipe.
asciilifeform: ( dulap-gentoo does not boot from stick, it requires working hdd to install )
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot was ~not~ working from dulap-gentoo tho, but from an even older bootstick image.
asciilifeform: dulap-gentoo is essentially same item as rk gentoo, and is installed same way.
asciilifeform: it's what's on s.mg an' dulap. but defo obsolete, it's a stone age glibc-based gentoo.
asciilifeform: there is not however a mechanism for 'convert from stone age gentoo to cuntoo w/out nuking disk', afaik .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago )☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909530 << iirc the orig problem was that the published musl gentoo starter culture trinque began working from, was built on gcc6 , which won't build 4.x (and therefore full replication involves stepping 6 -> 5 -> 4.9 )☝︎
asciilifeform: but seems like oughta be doable for a gentoo
asciilifeform: i was able to bake a musl 'busybox' linux for pogo in '15, but admittedly this was not a gentoo
asciilifeform: i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix☟︎
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is for instance at this very moment sitting on a glibcistic gentoo box, but where all tmsr soft is musltronic )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the caveat is that i still dunhave a working cuntoo for all asciilifeform-operated irons; e.g. rk is still running barbaric old glibc gentoo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only genuinely informative parameter re old gentoo is vintage -- steady rise of fungi the closer to present day
asciilifeform: in all other respects it's ~identical to ressonably vintage trad gentoo , mechanically
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem is that 'my own gentoo' is not a defined item.
asciilifeform: what i thought hanbot was going to do, is to attempt trinque's recipe using BingoBoingo's beachhead stick . then BingoBoingo's fossil gentoo can be pressed into service as standard beachhead, while such thing still needed.
asciilifeform: rright , but this apparently requires a working fossilized gentoo. to reproduce at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: heathen gentoo is exactly lenin's 'we build the new shithouse from the rubble of the old, there aint any imported brick to build it from'
asciilifeform: rk-gentoo still pulls from heathen mirrors if you 'emerge ...' , i dun expect this will work 4evah
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is of course the bottled gentoo i baked for rk; but it is also arguably a technological dead-end, and eventually oughta be replaced with arm cuntoo
asciilifeform: i'm not even certain that it's ~possible~ today to glue together a complete classical gentoo ( and if possible today -- may not be tomorrow )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho there's not much educational value any moar in setting up ancient gentoo; it's obsoleted by cuntoo, and quite difficult to revv up on acct of the dead mirrors☟︎
asciilifeform: seems to me from the article that hanbot went to setup up a ~traditional~ gentoo 1st, which as i understand isn't actually needed ( machine already booted into 1 )
asciilifeform: the provided box is already running a trad gentoo; theoretically should suffice for bringing up cuntoo, as i understand
asciilifeform: hanbot: i thought you were gonna revv up a cuntoo ? article seems to concern a classical gentoo install ?
asciilifeform: this will be good test for 'can light up cuntoo from in a heathen gentoo'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you do, get the x60 ( asciilifeform , phf, using w/ patched bios & old gentoo )
asciilifeform: (for which asciilifeform posted patched bios, and on which baked the trimmed gentoo which then trinque matured into cuntoo etc)
asciilifeform: it's a starvation-bare gentoo, suffices for maintenance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an ancient gentoo boot stick baked by ben_vulpes kept on hand for such occasions.
asciilifeform: but i never got as far as to get gentoo portage etc. working on it
asciilifeform: the orig 'rotor' thing was prompted by heathen gentoo having random crapolade instead of a sane compiler, libc, etc
asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vintage gentoo, for smoketest, afaik there is not currently a cuntoo for dec
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he had a self-building-to-ext-hdd gentoo thing ( but naturally 0 clue as to what-next )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, trinque : it isn't clear to me that 'move existing gentoo to cuntoo' without reformat of hdd is worth attempting -- non-musltronic dyn-linked sad gentoo bins will all barf once the pertinent libs are removed ( and they dun belong, imho, on a cuntoo box )
asciilifeform: by that token it's 3GB cuz that's how much stripped gentoo weighs, lol
asciilifeform: i dun have any cuntoo boxes here yet. all of my dev machines run vintage gentoo, where the gpg that python-gnupg sees is gpg2 (cuz idjit portage pulled it in, long ago). asciilifeform's actual pgp-ing happens on diff machine, naturally, with 1.4.10 . but apparently phf's hack for subkeyism breaks the thing in this combo.
asciilifeform: but in the long term, the pill will have to be cuntoo ( which has permanent trinque repo, unaffected by enemy ) ; conventional gentoo should already today be thought of as 'frozen', emerge cannot be relied to work
asciilifeform: ( my old workhorse x60 is not a cuntoo, it is in fact my original deloused-gentoo platform on which i derived the poetteringism-exclusion, gcc<5, etc flags and related items )
asciilifeform: phf: i drained the battery in ~2h on airplane (putting finishing touches on rk gentoo), then again in the rack (1st usa->orc mains plug brick fell apart) then again on roof...
asciilifeform: ( aside from rampant brokenness, in the years since gentoo author took 30 silvers from microshit and fucked it all ) would routinely get into circular wedges and fail in other 'interesting' ways
asciilifeform: trinque: i just noticed this, on dulap also, apparently some recent year's shitgnomism in gentoo mutilated traceroute
asciilifeform: ave1: nope, /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu exists in trad gentoo as well (on e.g. dulap)
asciilifeform: recently i was going through by hand in list of what's in my rk gentoo, and holyfuq, 'root cert of greek gov' etc. disgraceful.
asciilifeform: in other noose, trad-gentoo's crossdev is completely rotten nao, tries to build glibc-2.27 (which is broken, as it won't build with any version of 'ld' i was able to find, full stop) EVEN WHEN YOU CROSSDEV ....linux-musl !!
