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mod6: my personal node corrupted again. I'll be pulling it off the list of nodes until it's rebuilt... takes about 10 days with eatblock.
mod6: asciilifeform: thank you!
mod6: billymg: just holler if you have any q's.
mod6: I will be looking for a new place to host after my contract is up in november.
mircea_popescu: funny how rereads work! so back in 2013, i think all
http://trilema.com/2013/the-doctrine-of-total-depravity/ is "religion is bs". but today -- all it really says is that protestantism has fuckall to do with any kind of abstract faith. it was attempt to organize takeover from day one and naught else. the only protestant faith really is a sort of half-republic, "this is the instrumentality of taking over". nobody among their r
mircea_popescu: "APOLOGIA PRO NOMINE MEO. Out of consideration (in part) to such readers as may read this book I have assumed a name by which they may refer to me (if ever he or she may wish to do so kindly) in the same manner at least twice running--a feat of pronunciation which few of my English acquaintances have performed with my natal name. But there is also another reason, considerate of the author. I have been told that there are writ
mircea_popescu: ers whose works would have been famous if only their names could have been familiarly pronounced--Polish and Russian writers for the most part, I gather.
mircea_popescu: Since I had already taken every other precaution but this to deserve their more fortunate fate, in changing my name I have, I hope, robbed my readers of their last excuse for my obscurity."
billymg: asciilifeform: everything seems in order with the new box
billymg: i seem to have lost voice in #p again (perhaps from bouncer disconnect -- which will be moving to the new box as soon as i have time to setup)
billymg: can i self-voice in #pizarro?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is way to add ppl to an autovoice list, +V or something, see teh freenode dox
mircea_popescu: fwiw, the spamlulz ceased coupla days ago, #eulora prevails.
mircea_popescu: "Once (in those far-off peaceful days when men still had enough grammatical sense to know that the word "pacifist" does not exist, but that the less convenient "pacificist" does) " << lulz.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the neologisms of pantsuit are all "created last sunday", so to speak. "egotism" ? "altruism" ? meaningless drivel from the pap mills.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "female interest" webtardation : "Areas of Interest Select all that apply. Vaginal Steaming Womb, Wine & Wellness Night Broth Lessons (individual or group) BROTHrive Membership".
billymg: under some kind of "sample guides, no warranty" header
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 16:29 billymg: mircea_popescu: thank you. Mocky: let me know if you need help with anything
diana_coman: was it the time of day/light that made that "my view" picture so sandy-looking?
☟︎ diana_coman: it does look as if it's from some old picture book, lol
Mocky: yeah I think that was some late morning glare
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Mocky: diana_coman, i've got to find some that speak arabic. so far Indians, Nigerians, Nepalese and Asians all speaking english
Mocky: i can see why so few foreigners learn the language, everything is in both english and arabic, signage, food labels, store receipts, even the money
☟︎ diana_coman: ahaha, so I should have introduced you to some lebanese/kuweitis here, at least they speak arabic!
mircea_popescu: ahahaha check him out, dude's got srs biker gear on and shit.
mircea_popescu: they'd better not fuck with him, these nigerio-nepalese azns. IF they know what's good for 'em.
Mocky: the side of that thing has the names of other countries on it...
mircea_popescu: notably absent, the only countries with any actual future. because who'd have told these tards about 'em.
mircea_popescu: "It was surreal having such a minimal and distant experience of so many places I’ve only heard about before." << ahaha pretty great line.
Mocky: if you look at zoomed in version, nepal, africa, caribbean, so not countries really
mircea_popescu: so it turns out one of the greatest impediments wasn't so impending after all, huh.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 14:20 Mocky: i can see why so few foreigners learn the language, everything is in both english and arabic, signage, food labels, store receipts, even the money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Uruguay does the thing where they put English words on everything instead of their own language.
BingoBoingo: Hence the Montevideo shopping, the Kiosko CyberInterweb, and the late Pitty Shoes
BingoBoingo: Then there's the all English menu at the Burger King, which is a mindfuck because it can't be used without substituting spanish vowels for the English oness
BingoBoingo: Whole bunch of new shoes in old storefronts along Avenida General Rivera now selling abnormally cheap plasticrap advertising "Calidad Brasilera" too
BingoBoingo is very disappointed that there is a botique named Prussia a few doors down from my building that sells women's clothing when it should be selling men's protective headgear
BingoBoingo: The store recently had to get it's glass front replaced after smashing. I assume robbery attempt? Never seen customers in the store though.
BingoBoingo: Then there's all the pop culture kioski names: Kiosko Buffalo Bill, Kiosko Chicago Bulls, Kiosko Tommy...
BingoBoingo: Then there's the grow shops of which "Tu Cultivo" is the only one I can recall off hand that doesn't have Grow in the name.
BingoBoingo: SoulMedicine Grow, Juana Grow, Dr. Grow, the list goes on Gro
Mocky: with >80% foreigners all speaking english, the Qataris fear becoming ESL. signage is dual language because Arabic is mandated. in 2012 they passed a law mandating universities switch from english to arabic for all degree for all degree programs other than sci/eng/med. in 2016 further law mandating arabic for gov agencies, contracts, schools
Mocky: unrelatedly, i saw the craziest thing leaving the air port. there are a lot of indian dudes around doing public works type labor jobs. landscaping, pickup up trash, construction etc. I saw one, and i swear he was mowing the grass with a chain saw, all squatted down. now maybe he was cutting something else, but there was nothing else there! and damn if the that lawn wasn't pristine as a golf course
BingoBoingo: Here they do entire parks using string trimmers
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a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 21:01 trinque: I researched those this week; pixel qi sold to an outfit that seems to be sitting on the patents
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bvt: decided to add some information to the yesterday's thread on mktemp use in vpatch:
bvt: 2. Ada internally uses mkstemp(3) to generate a random name when empty string is passed as filename to Open procedure.
bvt: There seems to be no useful code to take from GNAT for this problem.
bvt: Apparently those addresses are used as 'poor man's RNG'
phf: bvt: i think the conclusion of yesterday's thread was that using mktemp is a bad idea, and that it's better to rewrite temp_file_name to be self contained, i.e. get rid of mktemp pragma and have temp_file_name do its own random string/stat loop
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bvt: I understand this, but still it's better to drop the vpatch, at least in the logs, in case someone else stumbles upon this problem.
phf: i like that ada will create a temp file for you and then clean it up on empty string, though that's a bit too magical (the interface, not the behavior)
bvt: that was a wtf moment for me, i'm not used to such service from the runtime
phf: well, it's also a reason why bug wasn't caught in development. a sequence of wtfs: linux man page says mktemp should be 3 or more X's, so project builds on a non-musl build. meanwhile POSIX mandates there to be exactly 6 X's, so a musl build fails to produce a random string, returning instead a blank one, which is when gnat decides to not only generate a temp file but also do cleanup.
bvt: did you use ave1's gnat or the adacore-provided distro? My understanding is that it should work with both, taking 2 different code paths, and fail only with gnat17.
phf: i've used a variety, including the two you mentioned. ave1's, adacore 2016 and 2018 on linux and mac
phf: bvt: you know you could take a stab at proper temp_file_name :> it'll have to be written anyway, to fix this bug. i suspect by the time someone else runs into this issue, a replacement will already be available.
bvt: i will give it a try. i'm still learning ada, will have to take a look at how strings and interfacing with C are done properly.
phf: bvt: this doesn't need much C, it's a loop with a termination condition of not Ada.Directories.Exists(Filename), and the tricky part is the construction of said Filename. it could be a Prefix ("vpatch.") + keccak hash(salt + pid + time + ???).
phf: asciilifeform: nah, you want a random seed always, because you're trying to avoid race by producing a least likely collision. the race will always exist between existance check and initial creation
☟︎ bvt: right, Ada.Directories.Exists was the missing piece.
bvt: there is a recent linux O_TMPFILE flag to open(2), but i'm not sure we want to use that
phf: asciilifeform: well, temp_file_name makes a temporary _name_, if you're relying on an atomic create, then you need to change the interface, where you try and create a temp file, and then bail. in that case though you don't even need any randomness. just use a counter
bvt: and i'm don't know yet if files created this way can be mv'ed to file system
phf: asciilifeform: counters exhibit exactly the same problem as a non-random seed
bvt: perhaps better way would be to create a temporary directory (for which there is atomic create-or-die) at the vpatch start, and place all temporary files there?
phf: bvt: as of right now there's only one temporary file at a time during a vpatch run, so you're essentially in the same situation temp file name or temp directory anme
phf: asciilifeform: i believe that was the real conclusion of yesterday's conversation: you want easy access to a real rng from any republican process at any time, and that makes a lot of idiotic problems go away
phf: but it also seems that before that becomes reality we either have to patch linux kernel or implement a rng daemon or somesuch
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: oh yeah it is, hash a bunch of random stuff, check for collision. that's the pragmatic solution. i'm talking about the take aways
phf: you're probably right though, the temp_file_name interface needs to be replaced with open_temp_file
bvt: uhm, strace shows me here that the temporary filename changes
phf: bvt: that doesn't contradict what i said
phf: tmp file gets created when you have any sort of patching operation, gets cleaned up when you no longer need it. but you could conceivably have it for the duration of the runtime. (except instead of doing file move at the end of a single file patch, you do file copy)
phf: asciilifeform: so the posix solution is to call open with O_CREAT | O_EXCL, which will attempt to create but will signal EEXIST if the file already exists. curiously default behavior O_CREAT will simply clobber
☟︎ bvt: i will have a look at what primitives i need for the implementation today and tomorrow, and will come back here if i get stuck on something.
bvt: should have implementation done over weekend
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 14:14 asciilifeform: lessee what mod6 says