ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-26 11:50:37 mircea_popescu: think abougt it, isn't a priori post something you'd want ? :D
spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along the lines of "talk (via PM) only to people who are already +v in the channels where bot is listening"; either way, there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 13:19:48 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: once the new voice model comes in, is the L1 redefined accordingly too? iirc there are some priviledges such as "can use feedbot & deedbot only if in L1", right? spyked or trinque might correct me here.
spyked: in other news, I'm in the process of standing up a mp-wp for thetarpit and migrating posts from the current platform there. will post a genesis for the current blog later today and then work out a plan for migration
spyked: initial investigation shows that that indeed shouldn't be
too painful, probably along the lines of
wp_insert_post for each post. will still take some manual labour to verify that posts display well, but that's not burning, so I can do it as I go along with other work.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-13 13:02:11 mircea_popescu: anyway : i'm willing to bet migration ~will~ be trivial ; and i am very curious to find out why not if indeed not
spyked bbl, diving into saecular liquishit
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I just fired up an email to them, as the article promisses
diana_coman: once I get their response either way, I'll update the article; let's see.
diana_coman: well, tbh I wouldn't consider it "accepts btc" if not; but yes, that's why I wrote it black on white.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re price, iirc 49 eur/mo is not ssd.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: iirc it was as an add on, some additional 15-25 eur/month depending on size of ssd
diana_coman: does anyone know what eudev is? (apparently some gentoo fork of udev working with openrc but unclear at this point if it's at all acceptable on a system)
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, so it's at least not-fungus
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, it's for the irc task, I gave thimbronion the list of acceptable and banned stuff; he had this older gentoo on which he had said eudev and unsure about it.
diana_coman: !!v 66FFA5A46B5E978FC493ED23C9F09595D69C7BE45162327D8B00B0AEC54F6543
deedbot: diana_coman rated maxim_mivo 2 << says he's CEO of MivoCloud, my ISP in Chisinau where Ossabot resides.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Retard on the other side of the River:
http://archive.is/jIoIS "El Banco Central difundió el listado de las personas que compraron más de USD 10.000 por mes"
mp_en_viaje was planning to get on earlier but then... well, things got captivating.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 13:11:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The Kommunalka Uruguaya in the form of Pensiones are targeted strictly to single people. Very similar to Ye Olde Boarding house without the actual provision of board.
mp_en_viaje: with the taxi once hitting a high speed near 30 km/h << fucking makes my skin crawl. the car AVERAGED like 110
mp_en_viaje: it's stil la pleasure to read bb prose. both well researched and well written, "The primary center of activity in this area is the Punta Carretas Shopping where many of the Frente Amplio's elders were incarcerated at some point." top keks
mp_en_viaje: Asking 185,000 USD, apparently under contract,94 m² << but this is like $200 per sqft ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 18:55:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The widely reported years ago on numerous blogs conventional wisdom is that everything is for sale and ~40-60 percent negotiated off the asking prices was a common practice. This needs to be investigated if moving forward.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ikr ? literally, if you're willing to pay 20-30 a sqft you get to pick.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
mp_en_viaje: and, literally, the sort of prices they quote will get you a much nicer thing in kew gardens or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: to not even talk of what it'd get you in say thailand, or vietnam.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. this will have to suspend at least until after ....
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 19:09:00 mircea_popescu: will be going later, but advanced reports look pretty wow.
mp_en_viaje: after current trip i intend to go south later this year, istanbul, syria, mebbe dip into iran, all the way to cairo
mp_en_viaje: i have faint memories of incredible real estate deals from decades ago, back when young man mp was completely uninterested.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 18:45:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 immediate observation -- the cabs were so cheap , transport dun seem to be major problem ( from asciilifeform's admittedly brief expedition )
mp_en_viaje: the sort of people you can hire to do the work are to ofuckign moronic to qualify as cows, no farm would hire them to be the livestock
mp_en_viaje: i used to own cars i mostly wasn't using, on the idea that "whatever, nothing wrong with owning it, can always set it to cabwork"
mp_en_viaje: nowadays, gotta own because wtf gonna do, cabs dun work.
mp_en_viaje: it's dead, the whole "oh, cab's great, talk to cabbie get all the infos, solve all the problems, what you want in your life is like two dozen medallioned cars and the people who work them" is as much an artefact of aforetimes as "man who can cut veal"
mp_en_viaje: turks got a cooler country than germans now.
mp_en_viaje: it pains me to say it, but it's a fact : cabs aren't really a thing anymore. uber-stupid now.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 18:51:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if can ride across city were 20bux here, i'dve sold my wheeled coffin long ago...
mp_en_viaje: this is the insescapable pit of the problem : back in sovok 70s, an array of young men was +ev. may take some cleanning / training / tooling / whatever, but, basically, ev.
mp_en_viaje: today, they're worse than their weight in fungus.
mp_en_viaje: dispatch doesn't even have two way link anymore
mp_en_viaje: it's not dispatch, it's excel windows in space, they "manage". wtf manage ?
mp_en_viaje: this is like buzz aldrin giving up on rocketry.
mp_en_viaje: actuaklly, they do this insane thing where the price can vary significantly.
mp_en_viaje: which sounds like smart capitalism on the face, but in practice only drives idiocy, because
mp_en_viaje: eh, where's the trilema piece where i discuss the retarded whores doing "fantasy football" in their head, judging "how much X Y or Z '''should get'''" based on how much this one chick allegedly once got ?
mp_en_viaje: it encorages the broken mental processes of the plebs, in any case.
mp_en_viaje: they "feel like suckers" when working for "less than the max", because obviously. then they get 1/10 the work, like
fucktarded romanians.
mp_en_viaje: then idle hands make devil's work, because he only works 1/10 of the workday he deskills
mp_en_viaje: soon enough you have an inept usgtard on your hands, driving your cab for no reason.
mp_en_viaje: but whatever, this is a point experimentally estgablished during the fucking plague, a good seven centuries ago : permitting the plebs to contribute in ANY WAY to the formation of the price of their own labour destroys the economy
mp_en_viaje: the ~only practical function of the "taxi" apps is they're disavowed dating apps for the liberated dumb cunts posing as careerwomen
mp_en_viaje: it delivers a "young dude with a car" at their door. which is what the orc female dream is anyway. now they don't have to go to club.
mp_en_viaje: spend same ~5 bux on a 3 hour campari, except doesn't have to get fat ass off couch. sits in car.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if he's dumb enough to do that, he'll be dumb enough to get her a ring on laywaya too
mp_en_viaje: killed like 2/3 of the workforce ; as a result the fucktarded peons started agitating about how tyhey should get to choose where to work, get more wages etc
mp_en_viaje: this was tried for like 2-3 years, then king came out with soil binding and gag orders.
mp_en_viaje: notthing to do with 'pressure', everything to do with imbecility of the "working man".
mp_en_viaje: what idiot decides he wants to do is always fucking stupid.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sellable. with the property.
mp_en_viaje: not sellable appart because wtf, it's ike selling car without wheels
mp_en_viaje: ie, "not sellable" because statutorily worthless. a very wise tack.
mp_en_viaje: otherwise idiots' first on the list of idiocies they like to imaginarily enact, "value in human life"
mp_en_viaje: possibly the most important human contribution to understanding of human affairs : the first, and the most important possible law is the one that interdicts valuation of human life. not in the sense of it being priceless, but in the sense of it being worthless.
mp_en_viaje: yes, so wicked is the nature of cunt byproducts, every stupidity instantly vacuums up oodlebunches of lychen
mp_en_viaje: not serfdom is wicked. human nature is wicked, in that the converse statement of
d-k problem is the one you gave above :
mp_en_viaje: any stupidity instantly gets idiot support.
mp_en_viaje: "disgruntled" my foot. wilfully misrepresenting themselves.
mp_en_viaje: idiot, given the choice between "fix some idiocy inside" and "fuck up some shit outside", ALWAYS goes for door #2.
mp_en_viaje: fucking hell, go fucking discovering america. raise rabbits. what the fuck, "what we always did doesnt work" "do something else" "no, we just want to do what we always did" "but it doesn't work" "it must!"
mp_en_viaje: "well, whether it must or it mustn't is irrelevant" "down with the king!"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what the fuck konzentrabullshit, nobody ever gave a shit.
mp_en_viaje: that ~another lord~ was not alloed to take thenm ~as plebs~.
mp_en_viaje: wtf, who makes rules to cockroaches. the rules rule the lords wth.
mp_en_viaje: "on the manor over the hill" "wow. and what were they doing there ?" "the same thing as here" "holy shit shocking"
mp_en_viaje: the whole idea was that livestock being worthless, moving it across the land was just a waste of fuel, so don't get the indiana livestock working on your farm in alabama.
mp_en_viaje: which is my point -- there are two distinct and perfectly distinguishable populations. the plebs aren't the highwaymen.
mp_en_viaje: imo the distinction's very vividly made in a clockwork orange. give brigand nude princess, give farm cuck nude princess. one of the cases will result in pregnant princess.
mp_en_viaje: the other case will result in retching bootlicker
mp_en_viaje: there's similarly no leakage from earth into radon.
mp_en_viaje: brigands ~stable percentile. much like niggers.
mp_en_viaje: none of these, notably, followed some kinda choice.
mp_en_viaje: which is what makes in the end the difference : out of the cuck-mediated cuntspawn, some minotity sheds the "choice" delusion.
mp_en_viaje: yet the delusion of choice is what makes the pleb.
mp_en_viaje: and why permitting him to live his delusion is so deeply antisocial.
mp_en_viaje: every single fucking brigand wil ltell the same story, of how he ~had to~.
mp_en_viaje: and every single kulak doesn't tell the same story, of "what choice did i have".
mp_en_viaje: he ~HAD~ to. because how the fuck not, she's right there and she forgot her clothes.
mp_en_viaje: no, that's it. "turnipping doesn't work BUT I CHOOSE TO ANYWAY. BECAUSE IT MUST. BECAUSE I SAY SO. BECAUSE I AM GOD"
mp_en_viaje: of course the asswipe then disavows it. THEN disavows it. and even pretends like the then is "instantly". but it ain't fucking isntantly, there's a space. first he lies, then he disavows.
mp_en_viaje: there's even a trilema piece re this i'm kinda too lazy to dig out
mp_en_viaje: i suspect you might be confusing the polarities.
mp_en_viaje: in my read, the pretender "army" / peasant horde was a #metoo movement. they were the idiots.
mp_en_viaje: see ? that's where it classifies in my head. "to do as before" "dude... they're not doing '''as before''' not cuz they don't wanna, the port is sanded"
mp_en_viaje: let's take a mental experiment for a moment.
mp_en_viaje: suppose tomorrow the power turns off. that's it, just, no more grid.
mp_en_viaje: now, suppose at this time word comes from on high that ... sorry... that's it. we don't know how to turn it back on.
mp_en_viaje: at this juncture, there will be various "self-defense" "armies" "organized" across the realm.
mp_en_viaje: the largest will consist of pugachev's men : "our programme is to go find where the main switch is, and flip it."
mp_en_viaje: "dude... you think the world is like your basement ?" "yes" "it won't do anything." "NO IT MUST"
mp_en_viaje: admittedly i am not a master of medeival rus'
mp_en_viaje: well... eastern medieval era lasts until 1907ish. no ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, to me he seems just a figurehead / sacrificial goat of a bunch ofretards looking for the main switch
mp_en_viaje: "how to make it like before" "fukctards, what you're feeling is the portuguese getting a trade empire going FIVE CENTURIES AGO"
mp_en_viaje: "wut" "motherfucker. the world your granpa lived in didn't in fact exist" "lies"
mp_en_viaje: "he fucking imagiend it on the basis of his granpa. thing was dead like 1505." "omfg wut"
mp_en_viaje: not like it in the end matters, unless/until pugachev shows up demanding a rating.
mp_en_viaje: then we can just interview be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: point remains : the hallucination of choice is the specific distinguisher between the plebs and the brigand/kulak/whatever, non-pleb.
mp_en_viaje: and it's a most informative and productive line of inquiry. there's a REASON the pleb projects choice upon those, and disavows his patently idiotic applcation of entirely imagined choice, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: it's this : "what i do doesn't work" "do something else then" "no." "well what ?" "it must."
mp_en_viaje: "dude, it's not up to you." "yes it is." "wtf" "the dumb pleb always triumphs" "where the fuck did you see that ?" "on all anon graves"
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-11 11:31:03 asciilifeform: in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when told to put out his cigar lest he set off the fuel depot
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i actually had a spex on trilema, had a nest fulla spiders
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 21:52:01 mircea_popescu: for this reason any imanentization (ie, mapping of concepts into reality) will revolve around a "paradigm" / wilful blindness of some kind. "how could i not think of that" is always lulzy -- if you thought of everything your head would explode. and that's a literalism : if you somehow fit all states of its own emptiness into a glass it'd go boom.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. yes all living things do a certain amount of "but it must". all livign things do a certain amiunt of excretion, also.
mp_en_viaje: to be a shithead, however, must do enough.
mp_en_viaje: well, what i recall is that it pulls the cricket (nfi, maybe some others do larvae) by the antenna
mp_en_viaje: and if you cut those, it doesn't eg, drag by a leg.
mp_en_viaje: was another thing, some other preditorial wasp, where it 1. drag to nest ; 2. inspect nest ; 3. deposit in nest.
mp_en_viaje: but if during 2 you move it, then it resets at 1
mp_en_viaje: can supposedly have it check the nest until it dies of starvation
mp_en_viaje: anyway -- this was very fashionable i nthe 70s. but there's pretty serious problems with hoefstadter's critique of conceptualized consciousness
mp_en_viaje: this could be like saying "it's weird individual transistors lack rng"
mp_en_viaje: taken seriously, the objection becomes suddenly very weak.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, precisely. the "lacks rng" could very well be entirely artefact of perception.
mp_en_viaje: how do you prove a number's not random anyway ?
mp_en_viaje: which is why the discussion is carried in terms of choice. rather than in terms of "compulsion" or whatever.
mp_en_viaje: im sure they have competitive predators, flies whatever
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 19:02:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As of 2013 through a bilateral treaty the shelter part of the arrangement went out. From where I'm sitting it is hard to tell which way the Argentine winds will push
mp_en_viaje: so i don't expect uruguay market will ever find price. instead, the "properties" will just decay into the ground
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 19:17:45 BingoBoingo: Before investigating transit times it had probably been a good three months since I'd been inside a vehicle. Present tranportation costs consist of food calories above basal metabolic rate and a few cents a day in shoe/boot depreciation.
mp_en_viaje: it makes a huge difference this, between being the 70yo who walks to the bar and the 70yo who can't leave the house.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 04:37:33 spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along the lines of "talk (via PM) only to people who are already +v in the channels where bot is listening"; either way, there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:52:50 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:50:32 asciilifeform: they all seem to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha. tho BingoBoingo seems to have found that
they haggle .
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i do expect it's going slowly down, yes.
mp_en_viaje: in practical terms, that's the only available option ; real estate never drops suddenly, for deep and fundamental reasons sometimes superficiaslly touched in the logs. it's just not possible, like it's not possible to dream the unknown
mp_en_viaje: and yes, haggle. but this is no joke : to match eg romania, they'd have to haggle to 10%. looksy :
BingoBoingo: One nearby property I'd been watching since arrival finally sold after a flurry of listings once the price hit ~160,000USD. When I arrived it was listed around 200k. It had my attention for being a two bedroom house on an excellent corner with attached small commercial premises suitable for shingle hanging. Even after selling and becoming inhabited is still painted as a japanese restaurant.
BingoBoingo: The problem of the Rio de la Plata is the people hold the opposite of the truth in the ways in which they are rich and poor.
mp_en_viaje: the salient points : a) half the prices ; b) three times the area ; c) one fifth or less the age. i expect ro 2000s construction, for all its warts, is still infinitely better than ~1970s uy construction technology
mp_en_viaje: now if yo ucombine a b and c you get a factor of about 10, by my lights.
mp_en_viaje: and romania has fttd ~everywhere, 2-8mbps for 2-3-5 eur/mo
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Uruguay is stuck in Argenisanity's orbit until Argeninsanity starves
mp_en_viaje: not like they'll magically learn how to build ust because the neighbour's goat died, either.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:34:55 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
mp_en_viaje: i confess i am not at all impressed with the images on this particular score : they're all 1970s pure-sovoktech relics. it's directly visible, at least to the aculturated eye
mp_en_viaje: they're not all that great capital goods. obviously immensely better than usgistani paper wasp atrocities, yes.
mp_en_viaje: but the cost to own / cost to carry still a factor of 2 over what it coudl/should be with saner autoclaved cellular concrete filler and etcetera. whole poured concrete walls are for you know, river dams and things, wtf, heating that, preventing water seepage, it's a bundle.
BingoBoingo: In my immediate surrounding they are primarily valued as potential footprints for future residential towers so long as that activity continues.
mp_en_viaje: i mean taking the list, right ? 1st item is literally a ruin ; that item has central wall damage from uncontrolled water infiltration. it would be condemned in europe.
mp_en_viaje: this isn't euroinsanity. the item is too far gone to be worth repairing, what.
mp_en_viaje: 2nd item i don't even know what to make of. seems someone literally poured some concrete, made a sort of post-wood outhouse. i dunno how it is even a house at all.
mp_en_viaje: 3rd item lacks entirely outside shots, which makes me suspect it's in a building that'd have been bombed in ww2, except it wasn't in active war theatre.
mp_en_viaje: #4 is exactly what i was saying above, 70s sovokism
mp_en_viaje: i bet you the doors use the copper keys we discussed at some point yeaes ago
mp_en_viaje: #6 is again #3, early 1900s, possibly good enough to stand, but possibly terribad, will have to drill a wall to see wtf is even in there
mp_en_viaje: how can 70sqm even contain 3 bedrooms ?! hermosa y luminosa my god, wtf, caragiale'd be happy.
mp_en_viaje: in short : not a single one of the items there look to me like something that'd be acceptable to carry on books even if given freely ; if yo uowned them i'd insist you sell them.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, even if someone gave you a free chevy vega -- it still wouldn't make economic sense to try and run it
BingoBoingo: I have a strong suspicion if the investigation move to poking around the interior of listed structures the project could have turned into strictly evaluating for the lot footprints as the tower builders do