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feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2019 Report
mod6: Good evening, Lords and Ladies. Here's this month's Foundation Address, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-June/000331.html
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/06/01/three-godzillas-or-the-inadequacy-of-professional-critics/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Three Godzillas Or The Inadequacy Of Professional Critics
asciilifeform proofreading 18c, forfuxxsake, finally.
BingoBoingo: Title fixed on latest post to read "Three Godzillas Or The Inadequackecy Of Professional Critics"
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 18C: Peh School: Generation of Cryptographic Primes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ achtung, panzers !
asciilifeform bbl:meats
asciilifeform: the likbez tapes given in 18c will be rolled into vpatch of ch19.
asciilifeform: ( will live in a 'demos' subdir . )
asciilifeform: questions, nitpicks, iron timings, welcome.
mircea_popescu: nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VNsVD/?raw=true ♖︎
mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: latest gentoo ? or /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you think of as 'gfx-heavy' ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916464 << updated with fixed typo and with link to diana_coman's illustrated ch1-4 guide, originally missing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 02:12 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 18C: Peh School: Generation of Cryptographic Primes.
asciilifeform: if i omitted anyone else's ffaisms, plox to lemme know. ( PeterL: your item will be in 19 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking re 'gfx-heavy' : might be interesting to try the recent years' opensores nvidia driver. (supposedly it actually worx.) perhaps send a pet to set it up.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has not had chance to try this any time recently, and afaik no one in l1 reported such an experiment.
asciilifeform: oughta be doable on any linuxism with relatively recent (3+) kernel, iirc. incl. the cuntoo draft.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ima ul some pics yo uget an idea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/
asciilifeform looks..
asciilifeform: lol i have 1 of these in a recently-sewn box
asciilifeform: i think exactly same brand even
mircea_popescu: so what do you run it on ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's old gentoo with evil kmod turd from nv, currently
asciilifeform: it's a cad box
asciilifeform: i'd stuff that thing in a chassis of some kind btw. else it's only matter of time till you elbow it and snap the card edge imho
asciilifeform: that 1070 is heavy bugger
mircea_popescu: o yes, it's in a chassis now.
asciilifeform: a.
mircea_popescu: innit tho ? lifting the motherboard with it i had this distinct impression it's gonna snap right under it
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: took it off, put motherboard in screws first, then added it again
asciilifeform: hedgehog mass
mircea_popescu: but i can't fucking run old gentoo on it. for one thing, what games even run on old gentoo ?
mircea_popescu: shit, actually -- what games even are ?!
asciilifeform: supposedly ye olde 'wine' has 3dism naodays
asciilifeform: but i confess, not tried
asciilifeform: ( naturally winblows will eat the 1070, but i dun imagine mircea_popescu was asking 'which winblows to get' lol )
mircea_popescu: notryl tbh
mircea_popescu: last i looked into this, cca 2004, linux was JUST about to eat windows' lunch
mircea_popescu: then i did other things, and i come back 15 years later to discover -- "linux, wut, where you been granpa"
asciilifeform: at any rate 1070 drives e.g. newfangled 3840x2160 lcd, a+++
mircea_popescu: fucking unpleasant.
asciilifeform: ( even eats 4 of'em w/out skipping a beat )
mircea_popescu: nice huh ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mind the hardware -- i just wish to know what software anyone knows of.
mircea_popescu: so far "get a modern gentoo" seems the only (if vague) option ?
asciilifeform: 'modern' as in kern 3+ is really all
mircea_popescu: what's gentoo even use ? gtk ?
asciilifeform: lol why gtk. e.g. asciilifeform has plain old x, cum 'ratpoison'
asciilifeform: presumably you didn't buy the card to draw transparent backgrounds in shells with lol
mircea_popescu: and what games do you run on it ?
asciilifeform: none
mircea_popescu: well then ?
asciilifeform: tho supposedly 'valve' has linux gamez
asciilifeform has not gamed much in recent times; not since embarking on multiyr maffs grind
asciilifeform: as i understand mircea_popescu's own eulora knows what to do with 3d card tho ( can't picture why would need whole 1070 however , for such )
mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world
asciilifeform: afaik this mostly means microshit
asciilifeform: ( w7, if one must, eats 1070, with some fiddling )
mircea_popescu: or else https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/24/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-proprietary-gpu-driver-iso-linux/ i guess ?
asciilifeform: aha, what i had on mine. ( not ubuntu, naturally, but vendor's binturd installer actually does shit forth a loadable kmod , and goes on conventional gentoos for so long as k 3+ )
mircea_popescu: anyone tried the mint thing /
asciilifeform: then anyffin that talks to openglism-under-x worx.
mircea_popescu: !#s linux mint
a111: 20 results for "linux mint", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=linux%20mint
asciilifeform has not, never felt compelled to use oddball bindist linuxen just because sewn box with 3dcard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and it already took about half that ordering an' puttign together
asciilifeform: generally i have a use thought up for box before arising off arse to sew one , lol
mircea_popescu: a wait. linux mint === ubuntu.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- Further unboxings (continuatory motorcycle)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i DO have a use for the box. "find out how the other half lives"
asciilifeform: sounds like it's condemned to eat w7 then
asciilifeform: unless you're 'valve' aficionado
mircea_popescu: "zorin os", "an Ubuntu-based, highly polished Linux distribution, entirely made for Windows refugees."
mircea_popescu: holy shit what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what's w7 ?
asciilifeform: ( there is nominally a 'steam for linux' . asciilifeform not tested. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microshit's , i meant
mircea_popescu: i was gonna go for steam but then they took off bitcoin. so meh.
asciilifeform: they were all a++ on warez last i knew.
asciilifeform: ( the last 1 i personally touched was 'portal' )
mircea_popescu: "Manjaro Linux comes in XFCE, KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon and a host of more desktop environments. Do check out the official website." lawds mercy
mircea_popescu: is valve an os by now btw ?
asciilifeform: they have some sorta nintendobox iirc, with handsewn linux
asciilifeform: but afaik not a pc-style os, no
mircea_popescu: all these game platform people are fucked in the head for not making their own serials-filed os.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's brother slaved for 'valve' for a spell, but it's been some yrs since this )
diana_coman: now I'm rather curious if mircea_popescu finds any "other half" re games, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ikr
asciilifeform liked 'portal', but it aint exactly 'recent'
asciilifeform: in 'portal', a chix walks around with a sort of blaster that opens wormholes b/w any two targets. 3distic puzzler thing.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a "great" (according to all the slobbering kiddies) gaming comp can be had for what a slut trip takes per day. notwithstanding the suddenly looming question of whether there's even anything to do with it once you get it.
asciilifeform: indeed it can, i dun think this is surprise to anyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i tend to play things like heroes, diablo, fallout etc.
asciilifeform: about 1k dubloons gets you all the game warez box anyone might want
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, when i was a kid, a top notch gaming comp was like a year's labour.
asciilifeform: i recall this time.
mircea_popescu: https://store.steampowered.com/steamos << apparently they made a debian 8 flavour
asciilifeform: the irons cheapened, but game people lost the spark of life, very little made these days that eats 3d card other than infinite variations on tired old shooter theme
mircea_popescu: well, apparently i could auto-install steamos on it.
asciilifeform: oh ha
diana_coman: out of curiosity I went and checked "requirements" for "no man's sky" (I keep hearing of it, possibly because it's made a few km away from my location): ps2 or windows 7; and the game will take up around 10GB of storage, lolz.
asciilifeform: i saw one vaguely original thing coupla yrs ago, iirc was 'far cry' -- very ornately graphixy thing set in... stone age. ( twist : character is able to tame animals and lead a sort of army )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i saw . decent 'elite' variant
asciilifeform: iirc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: naodays aint even uncommon to see game eat 50-100GB !
mircea_popescu: so basically, if i install steamos, then i can pay eg 35 eur to play sme random title.
asciilifeform: ( textures! )
mircea_popescu: not a bad racket, 1k to build box + 2-5k/mo to buy virtual cartridges.
mircea_popescu: i ain't fucking doing this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. ( this is where asciilifeform confesses that he has never in entire life eaten game other than from warez... )
mircea_popescu: i generally pay whatever, 20-50 bux / mo for a game i'm actually playing, on the theory that the fucks who made it, let them eat.
asciilifeform: i , also, never had appetite for ' blow k/mo on virtual cartridge' heh
mircea_popescu: but i will not consider this upfront sorta nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you wanna get paid, bill net30 or some shit wtf is this.
asciilifeform: is why god made warez aha
mircea_popescu: List of 15 Best Linux Games For 2018 1. Battle for Wesnoth
mircea_popescu: best-linux-games-battleforwesnoth
mircea_popescu: holy shit kill me now.
asciilifeform: hey at least it aint 'xpenguin' !111
asciilifeform: ( or 'freeciv' )
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who almost flunked school from overindulging in 'freeciv', shit thee not
mircea_popescu: hmmm... The Dark Mod (apparently thief remake) may be interesting
asciilifeform will eagerly read mircea_popescu's review if he tries this or similar
asciilifeform: i liked the old 'thief'
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: played on last serious gamez box i had. w/ ye olde 'voodoo II' card
asciilifeform: was esp. great on 'hard', where you gotta leave the guards alive
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: blackjack ftw
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: a troo gem imho.
mircea_popescu: the logic behind http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916530 if it wasn't self obvious : secure box and gaming box are exactly opposite design constraints. computer games (as a distinct and opposite category to eulora) are by definition code that'll run on your box without your having run it. if you're going to do that ANYWAY, might as well save your time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 12:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
mircea_popescu: without your having read* it.
asciilifeform: aint nuffin wrong with 'gamez box' if one observes elementary kitchen-toilet separation, aha
asciilifeform fwiw has moar 'toilets' than 'kitchens', so happens
mircea_popescu: a game being, definitionally, "i don't want to KNOW what it does, i want to DISCOVER what it does"
asciilifeform: pretty good def, imho
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true ♖︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ apropos of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-21#1914829 thrd. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-21 22:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, indeed. showed up at bdsm meet, heplfully showed us his dong. whole shebang starts with http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Arobwhiz
diana_coman: lolz
BingoBoingo: lolololololol
mircea_popescu: lolz
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the US war machine: "“I seem to be getting inundated with black female officers who are being disciplined for dumb stuff,” says Coretta Gray, who spent 13 years as an officer in the Air Force Judge Advocate General’s Corps, the military’s branch for military justice and military law, and continues to consult on cases."
mircea_popescu: shouldn't have hired dumb black females
BingoBoingo: Anyways, at this rate US activists complaints are likely as useful as active intelligence gathering to foreign analysts.
mircea_popescu: eh, us army is ~social security anyways. not like it's a military in any sense.
mircea_popescu: janissary corps.
BingoBoingo: I thought janissaries were somewhat effective in the field
mircea_popescu: not during the last century or so
BingoBoingo: Could be this last century hasn't had Janissaries. Just social security in disguise.
mircea_popescu: afaik army ~= trucking. same demo.
BingoBoingo: Was, was the same demo.
mircea_popescu: right, now truckers all serbs and army all mammie
asciilifeform: hrm, feedbot down ?
asciilifeform: guess i gotta manually
asciilifeform: “Finite Field Arithmetic.” Chapter 19: Peh Tuning and Demo Tapes.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch19, ty.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform bbl:teatime
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in continuation of earlier lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZwuQt/?raw=true ☝︎♖︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 17:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true ♖︎
BingoBoingo: Holy fucksticks the hamster in that one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fella's either barkin' mad, or feigning (why, dunno)
BingoBoingo: If feigning could be a hail mary attempt to get some indemnity for earlier idiocy
asciilifeform: not clear why he'd give a damn. ( seems like his 'exciting biznisproposal for you!1111' days are past... )
nicoleci: hes insane and wont stop emailing me
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: nicoleci: post'em
nicoleci: asciilifeform, lol alright
nicoleci: he was weird in person but this is something else
BingoBoingo: Can't hurt to blog the guilty
BingoBoingo: Is he still on an electric airplane kick?
nicoleci: true, as long as it stops
nicoleci: lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though ☟︎
BingoBoingo: electric airplanes were his kink when he first showed up as "ninjashogun"
nicoleci: lol!
nicoleci: the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police
BingoBoingo: Dude wanted ~infinite money to finance "tesla of aviation", solar powered electric airplanes. Never mind the lack of utility or range
BingoBoingo: <nicoleci> the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police << Through your affiliation with the Republic you are an international authority figure of the sort the uninitiated may call police.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc he had a diff crackpottery for each. i never got the airplane 1.
asciilifeform: ( the 1 i got, was this )
nicoleci: lmao, i wouldnt trust that guy to put together a model airplane
asciilifeform: iirc ben_vulpes got sumthing to do with dirigibles.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Anyways, consider how many public hangings your master has conducted. Ask him for wisdom and permission to do the hanging.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho madness alone is not necessarily a barrier to productive work. nao if only fella would do sumthing constructive with that energy..
asciilifeform: like, e.g. terry davis
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The pattern of how he exercises his whatever seems to necessarily cut him out of anything.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put him to make paper airplane, sure. but let'im write an os in asm or sumsuch for 20yrs before eats a train.
asciilifeform: fwiw davis actually achieved something
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, thats the plan.
asciilifeform: d00d is clearly stuck in wrong half of globe tho. in usa a certified schizo gets a gov pension ( as described by tlp ) and for that matter davis lived on one
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not necessarily. The would-be schizo pensions turned into a sorta ghetto foodstamp supplement as described by tlp.
asciilifeform: iirc the occasional genuine barmy still gets it
BingoBoingo: For the same of keeping pretense
asciilifeform: ever since reagan closed the asylums
BingoBoingo: Same reason SV social media wankers will ban all sorts of folks, but they'll keep David Duke and other approved opposition
asciilifeform: ( i actually knew a fella who tried to check into an asylum, on own steam. the latter still exist, but they keep patient for a week, jack'em up with 9000 meds, and let go. to get 'full program' generally you gotta kill somebody )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'solar airplane' -- 1 was built in '80s, it hangs in the national museum. not particularly useful other than for 'guiness record' tho afaik.
asciilifeform: just barely carried pilot and parachute iirc.
asciilifeform: gigantic plastic sheet.
asciilifeform: possibly with current-day lithium battery, could be slightly smaller. but still not sure why subj is perennial crackpot interest.
asciilifeform bbl:teatime