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auctionbot: Buy order # 1009 has ENDED: 2k wFF SOLD by mats for 499.99mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-07 12:18 auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins)
auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins) ☟︎
auctionbot: Buy order # 1009 created by BingoBoingo: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (95 hours)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 05:00 auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 has ENDED: 9.5k wFF q0 SOLD to mod6 for 1.5bn ecu. Attn: mircea_popescu
auctionbot: Sell order # 1007 has ENDED: One lot of 14,500 S.QNTR shares SOLD to diana_coman for 150mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1007 created by BingoBoingo: One lot of 14,500 S.QNTR shares Opening: 145mn ecu Ending: 2018-11-15 16:25:23.664854 UTC (95 hours)
auctionbot: Buy order # 1006 created by mod6: 2k wFF Opening: .311bn ecu Ending: 2018-11-08 13:48:41.550007 UTC (99 hours)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1005 created by jurov: 2k wFF Opening: 0.33bn ecu Ending: 2018-11-08 20:13:41.320151 UTC (119 hours)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 has ENDED: 9.5k wFF q0 SOLD to mod6 for 1.5bn ecu. Attn: mircea_popescu ☟︎
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Leading Bid: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (1 hours 18 mins)
mod6: mircea_popescu: Hi Sir, if I win the auction here, how would you like me to settle? Via btc from deedbot-wallet, or via ECU and trade in eulora (this may take a day or so to exchange my BTC into ECU hope this isn't a big deal).
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Leading Bid: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (4 hours 59 mins)
mircea_popescu: in other news, this rapidly deteriorating day (it fucking rained on me at the beach, on TOP of serpent being as tight as hilary's ass) was saved by my ... 404 mn ecu pop in Eulora. very high % valuyable shit, too!
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 created by mircea_popescu: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (47 hours)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1000: Reserved Opened at: 1 ecu Winning Bid: None [Closed]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only important magic number is the 10e9 ecu = 1 btc value. otherwise the whole thing's open, you can just say i dunno, "will only take BTC" as a comment in the next line, or w/e.
mircea_popescu: ecu is an ~account currency~. you know what those are ?
asciilifeform: trinque: good q. i for instance am not equipped to process ecu atm
trinque: what's the ecu to btc bridge, in-game, or requires another sale?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1bn ecu = 1 btc. 168 is hours to live, here 1 week. "wFF" is a symbol i ad-hoc'd, "wired filthy fiats". explained in the next line. q0 is just a joke as to the poor quality of the fiats in question, has no bearing in this context.
asciilifeform: how do i list a bag of usd for auction in a bot where only ecu and btc are units.
asciilifeform: but what i don't yet grasp is how to make this go with mircea_popescu's 'settle in ecu'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 01:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858369 << this is correct btw; new auctionbot (will be named 'auctionbot') will allow !Xsell and !Xbuy (both denominated in ecu) see also: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/auctionbot-eta-and-status-report/ ☝︎
mod6: I think, we'd be fine doing the reverse (if possible) of the log I linked above. "BUYING 1000 USD for ECU".
mircea_popescu: all auctions must ~settle in something~. it is greatly beneficial to have unique settlement, on the basis of 100s of years of auctioning experiencve in teh commercial world. just like lloyds will trade in antique vases and modern soiled underpants, BUT ALWAYS SETTLE IT IN POUNDS, just so lobbesbot will deal in disgusting goop or unified dosidoes, but always settle in ecu.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 19:00 mircea_popescu: lobbes forum schmorum, if you de-ecu it ima kick it off #eulora and have someone else make a different one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to clarify what http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848940 was about, in this case. i was under the specific impression that auction of items other than ecu is forbidden in mircea_popescu's bot. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:19 mod6: ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one
mircea_popescu: the way auction bot currently works, and has worked for 100s of auctions worth 10s of bitcoin, is that any one party with some fiat, can say "i have this much fiat and will let it go for no less than this much ecu".
mircea_popescu: the way the auction will work, is that you will be able to both sell and buy any one thing you wish, also for ecu.
mircea_popescu: the way the auction works, is that you can currently sell any one thing you wish, for ecu, which are these account bitcoins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was my parsing of 'i'ma kick it' that you dun want any units other than btc and ecu in there ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> afaik all you get is reverse auction (at a significant later date, once he's well done with rewriting the whole thing). << This is what I recall. Reverse auction denominated in ECU ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 19:00 mircea_popescu: lobbes forum schmorum, if you de-ecu it ima kick it off #eulora and have someone else make a different one.
lobbes: Well okay then. I'm going to move forward with auctionbot dealing 100% in ecu. Meaning users will need to convert their input to ecu even if dealing outside of #e. (which, I'm fine with. atm Ecu allows me to simply use integer data type and also allows users to deal in fractional satoshis)
lobbes: I'm also fine with it being 100% ecu
mircea_popescu: lobbes forum schmorum, if you de-ecu it ima kick it off #eulora and have someone else make a different one. ☟︎☟︎
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/seeking-forum-input-auctionbots-currency-btc-vs-ecu/ << lobbesblog - Seeking Forum Input: Auctionbot's Currency - btc vs ecu
mod6: ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one ☟︎
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, go ahead and !!pay 1.2 BTC back to me, and I'll meet ya on eulora to pay you 100mn ECU. Thanks!
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually. ☟︎
mod6: mircea_popescu: Alright, sorry to keep you waiting here. I'd say Pizarro is fine to hang on to ECU if we can try again in the next say, 60 days. This would eliminate the step of having to buy ECU (which clearly isn't a problem anyway). Otherwise, you can just !!pay. Amount was 1.1bn ECU. I originally bought 1.2bn from dpb, and I was going to hold the remaining 100mn until the end of the year, unless we
mircea_popescu: mod6 what'd you prefer, !!pay or ecu ?
mircea_popescu: because the actual item delivered (something + ~shipping~) varies according to who buys it, there's actually a larger incentive for agents located ~at the periphery~ to buy it. ie, if you live in paris and shipping is 1 ecu, a bit of 100 ecu means you're paying 99 ecu for the item. if you live however in christchurch and shipping is 99 ecu, a 100 ecu bid means you're getting the item for 1 ecu.
mod6: ok cool. i don't even have the ecu yet, i've only got about 50mn in my account at this very moment, but I trust that someone will sell them to me in time.
mod6: danielpbarron: Ok Sir: I need to purchase 12.00000000 ECU (1.2 billion)
mod6: jurov: you still selling ecu for eulora?
mod6: Ok, I'll put in a bid tomorrow, I gotta buy some ecu with pizarro's funds (im nearly certain I don't have 1bn or even near that in my eulora acct), then put in the bid.
mircea_popescu: there's 1bn ecu to the btc atm.
mod6: denominated in ECU?
mircea_popescu: lobbes consider the obvious example -- people will pay (but ~a few ecu~ sorta thing) to merely ~use~ an auction bot. they could just do that by fucking hand, what's to keep them.
lobbes: I could see someone creating a 'ecu casino' for the 'masses' indeed
diana_coman: well, you are selling btc, right? so your "item" is 1.5bn coppers and the opening bid is 1025$; granted I'm not sure how would that work with lobbes's auction bot since the price there is in Ecu aka satoshis
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 16:02 mircea_popescu: and also, you wanna pay me the extra back in ecu in eurloa or keep it on books as prepayment for future auctions ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831528 << the latter worx. I'll keep a running credit for you and apply to future balances. But if at any point you want to cash in the credit for ecu (or BTC) I will. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and also, you wanna pay me the extra back in ecu in eurloa or keep it on books as prepayment for future auctions ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: minigame has a similar item, whereby the fact that players bought ECu does not immediately translate to a gain for minigame. there's >100 btc's worth sloshing around in there.
asciilifeform: ( they are used by ECU diddlers, for instance )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-02#1791957 <- feel free to invoice me with deedbot so it doesn't wait on meeting in game (unless you prefer ECu, ofc) ☝︎
deedbot: Invoiced danielpbarron 0.016496929 << Ecu trade (ecu not settled yet )
shinohai: !!invoice danielpbarron 0.016496929 Ecu trade (ecu not settled yet )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 13:50 shinohai: !!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
ReadErr: whats ecu ?
mircea_popescu: ReadErr so use ecu or w/e
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
shinohai: !!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Ah, such a gloriously obvious pattern emerges. Waterfalls when the banks are closed. Turns out the speed of the crashing is limited to a somewhat sane pace by the difficulty of getting rid of non-ecu fiat takens
BingoBoingo: There's even a TMSR fiat currency which operates alongside Bitcoin here, see http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in other productive discussions that never were, i expect NOT A SINGLE ONE of the various "experts" in their own mind, economists, political theorists, whatnot will actually engage http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/ ; much like buffett "couldn't find shorts" back in the days of http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ and just as http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/ never happe
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/ << Trilema - The ECu
mircea_popescu: this discussion spurred me to realise that eg my 4k pile of high-quality coarse cordage is thereby worth like... 50mn ECu or so, nominally ? leaving how it would prolly sell for more than 100% (duh), that's likle... a toyota's worth of IMAGINARY coarse cordage ?
lobbes: Ok, I can see this reasoning. I'm thinking I'll reduce fees to: 100 ecu per hour no sale, 20 per hour if sale
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-09-11 01:43:33: <lobbes> New fees are now as follows: 2000 ECu per hour for auctions ending with a sale, 10000 ECu per/hr for auctions ending in no sale
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron rather, lets see what happens first, 3 days pass or 10mn ECu become worth more than a car.
mircea_popescu: so if it's fiddy bux to ship, and 1e9 ECu to the Bitcoin, it then follows anything under 3mn is actually a loss.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735846 << as a forinstance : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-07.log.html#t03:03:56 iirc he evaluated it at 5 to 10 btc due to market values of items, is a post somewhere on his blog ; historically the largest pop was something like 180mn ecu, ie 1.8 btc and it didn't take 1/10 that. ☝︎
diana_coman: recently 1 ECu = 10 satoshi so arguably it takes longer now to process same value in game, yes; but dunno about centuries and it certainly was NOT this that held people away until now, you know
diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc several people exchanged their ecu for btc and cashed out though no idea how much it was exactly (they usually come in with "will make whole coin!!!111 won't quit!!!" and then crash out of it a few days later)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724782 << I am more than willing to make required tweaks to get something like this working (allowing auctions to be denominated in btc as well as ecu, having lobbesbot spit out deedbot invoice, etc) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package.
lobbes: excited to test it out, although 100% of my payments have been in ecu so far. Perhaps will change now though
mod6: i was able to log in, np, and my ecu had 10x'd
mircea_popescu: typical tripod websites bullshit, i waited for months to float teh ECu, day fucking after they fall over each other to print different-random numbers on their guesbook visitor counters.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-25 20:16 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron further 450k ecu coming your way when you're good and ready.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron further 450k ecu coming your way when you're good and ready. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other news, the ecu trades for 2500 to the dollar. ie, better than many fiat currencies.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters. ☝︎☟︎
diana_coman: runsegshet, moreover, I suppose as an easy/quick solution you could even simply transfer your bitcoin into ECu in Eulora - I guess it is the lowest effort option to keep and even use btc at this moment; e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Ecu
Birdman: then i offer .025 btc to get it done, or 2.5mn ecu
Birdman: Hello. I'd like to commission the writing of a script that can go through text logs and find certain discrepancies, would be paying in either btc or ecu (eulora coppers), if anyone is interested. I think its a fairly simple thing to get done.
mircea_popescu: lobbes do you take ecu ?
mod6: put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
shinohai should start brokering shitcoin for ecu at a btc 2:1 ratio
mircea_popescu: thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that.
mircea_popescu: "Mircea has got 8.000m ECu worth of remarkable eps" << go me.
pete_dushenski: let this therefore be remembered as the time alf pissed away 0.3btc (30mn ecu) on his eulorabox build. but hey, nothing like a little deficit to urge on the bot-crafting imagination! watch alf knock down all four hackathon prizes now.