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mircea_popescu: kek
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/pennsylvania-prosecutor-declines-to-charge-suspects-in-home-invasion-shooting/ << Qntra - Pennsylvania Prosecutor Declines To Charge Suspects In Home Invasion Shooting
ben_vulpes: better dirt under your fingernails and a cupboard full of tomatoes than rubber food and children with no immune system
ben_vulpes: "why have healthcare costs quintupled over the past three decades?" "did you roll your children in dirt today?" "no?" "well there you have it"
mircea_popescu: you know, tomatoes don't keep.
mircea_popescu: also there's
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1.15 ^ 30
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1.15 ^ 30 = 66.21177195678574
mircea_popescu: 66tupling.
ben_vulpes: better throw out the family canning tools i guess
mircea_popescu: (in fairness though, inflation didn't go over 10 before the monkey went into office)
ben_vulpes: someone call the old witches and tell them the things they did all day were pointless
mircea_popescu: ah, canned tomatoes. yeah. is the sun strong enough there to dry them well btw ?
ben_vulpes: highly dependent on when the crop comes in
mircea_popescu: now that's a way to make money as a etsy head, plant an acre of tomatoes, sell five or so tons of primo sundried tomato. 10k a ton or such.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tomato crop comes in from late july onwards into winter.
ben_vulpes: depends on when mine come in relative to how strong the sun is at that time of year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you picture 'etsy head' harvesting an acre of something??
mircea_popescu: ah. even worth making a mirror thing for this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, actually. i saw some harvest an acre of dicks, on their hands and knees.
ben_vulpes: please not project mirror again
ben_vulpes: oh god the microcontrollers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes only mentioned it in the sense of "worth it moreso than for stupid solar power bs".
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6591
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: Example text archive of http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/ -- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/considerations-on-cost-disease.txt
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: i don't hate this!
ben_vulpes: sure beats reading the source on over-modal'ed websharts
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: good to hear. If you or anyone else has something they want the archiver to do, speak now.
asciilifeform: lulzy link btw
asciilifeform: 'I worry that people don’t appreciate how weird this is. I didn’t appreciate it for a long time. I guess I just figured that Grandpa used to talk about how back in his day movie tickets only cost a nickel; that was just the way of the world. But all of the numbers above are inflation-adjusted. These things have dectupled in cost even after you adjust for movies costing a nickel in Grandpa’s day. They have really, genuinely dect
asciilifeform: upled in cost, no economic trickery involved.'
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: don't set it in stone, things move very slowly in the republic.
gabriel_laddel_p: one prior (many months ago) suggestion I liked: archive from that page to a depth of 2.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p if it could detect and wipe the idiotic wrap(80) thing that'd be great. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: in other things i don't hate, this yamhill valley rose of pinots is not foul!
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's actually a step in the right direction.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: the #1 thing i'd like from future archiver is duplicability
danielpbarron: gabriel_laddel_p, do atruechurch.info
asciilifeform: (i.e. that i can mirror the ~existing material~ and ~archiver itself~ immediately)
asciilifeform: it is the thing most glaringly missing from archive.is
asciilifeform: and i don't mean 'can mirror if i crawl the logs' but IN ONE SHOT
gabriel_laddel_p: Sadly you will only be able to do this if you are running Masamune, as it is 100% dependent on its internals.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/resistance-leaders-wife-and-stepson-charged-after-body-found/ << Qntra - Resistance Leader's Wife And Stepson Charged After Body Found
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what part of the thing is something other than standard cl ?
asciilifeform: and why ?
mircea_popescu: and for the record, every film with michael douglas in it is a piece of shit ; but perhaps none as much as "the game". holy fucking shit, the premise is a dour dude who "has it all", including a disdainful relationship with his ex wife and two hotties vying for his attention at work nevertheless a) lives in a totally empty house. because how fucking hard & unthinkable it would be to get all the ex secretaries to live there hu
mircea_popescu: rr ; b) goes to some derpy obscure "firm" and spends A WHOLE DAY of his apparently priceless-worthess time doing the equivalent of posting naked selfies all day on twitter.
mircea_popescu: more contortedly idiotic nonsense "this is how rich dudes r, for srs guise" could scarcely be devised.
mircea_popescu: dude fills in forms. i'm like "hey, when's the last time you saw me fill in a form ?". hilarity ensues.
mircea_popescu: most of the girls never did, in their whole life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you would like the whole archive.is enchilada ? all the crap ~anyone~ ever saved there ? i imagine it's petabytes by now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe i would, or maybe not, but the ~option~ gotta be there.
asciilifeform: or the thing is a glue trap.
gabriel_laddel_p: danielpbarron: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/atruechurch.info.txt
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: shou;ld prolly download each link's zip i guess.
danielpbarron: gabriel_laddel_p, does it not do the whole site?
gabriel_laddel_p: danielpbarron: graphical version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAdWVrd3o0MmZfUnM/view?usp=sharing
gabriel_laddel_p: danielpbarron: not yet.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: very little of this is CL. The save-page-complete and save-page-as-text comes as part of the conkeror browser, and I just drive it with CL.
ben_vulpes: and to think, $girl wanted to move to .lt
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: why did she ?
ben_vulpes: mostly project explore-family-tree-and-meet-long-lost-branches
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna move, go to ukraine. cheap and fertile.
ben_vulpes: then i think slovenia was the next "what if"
asciilifeform: lol kakolandia
mircea_popescu: meh. buy it while it's cheap.
mircea_popescu: slovenia was a move when she was 15.
mircea_popescu: !up `_^gk`_^1wm`_^
mircea_popescu: !!up `_^gk`_^1wm`_^
deedbot: `_^gk`_^1wm`_^ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: nice name.
ben_vulpes: i'd not mind teh ukr, provided i could figure out where the shoosting is happening where it's likely to spread to etc etc
mircea_popescu: think for a second : ukraine is as large as texas. if someone were firing 1mn rounds each and every single day, that's still about one round each million square meters.
mircea_popescu: contrary to press reports, "dangerous" places are never practically dangerous.
ben_vulpes: you don't have to convince me
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the ~only place in the world with land worth buying that you can afford to buy today is ukraina.
mircea_popescu: now, whether they kick you out once it settles down is indeed a toss-up, but eventually at some point you're going to have to take a chance.
asciilifeform: the mega-q is whether 'buying' does anything there
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: as per the thai pub thread
mircea_popescu: except, he goes there to live. with woman. and small child. that MAY do something.
ben_vulpes: appeals, but "or you could just move in upstairs" also appeals
mircea_popescu: what, canada ?
ben_vulpes: ancestral home
ben_vulpes: you know what rankles?
ben_vulpes: the room in which i grew up is larger than the house i rent today.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i could never see the business case for canada.
ben_vulpes: "surely come global warming all that land will be so farmable!"
ben_vulpes: now that'd take a dyke system
ben_vulpes: and that's coming from a guy who grew up in portland
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather buy in africa. anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which africa
mircea_popescu: places inhabited by a thin sliver of idiots are essentially brackish water. canada, argentina, the us to a large extent. they're neither fucking nor will get off the pig.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform congo, subsaharan generally.
mircea_popescu: shoot them like guinea pigs.
mircea_popescu: kalash enforced land title.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: been there yet ?
mircea_popescu: briefly.
asciilifeform: so somebody cancelled the tsetse fly, and other pleasures of 'climate not made for white man' ?
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu simply goes in for the taste
mircea_popescu: eh. do you understand i produce about ONE QUARTER TON of water a week through diligent application of electric power in this god forsaken shithole ?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "climate made for white man". the thing with white man, unlike all other man, is that white man makes climate not the other way around.
asciilifeform: living in the swamp -- i can easily picture this
asciilifeform: maybe just me, but i like climates where i dun have to stay in the shielded dome, and can go out without a suit
mircea_popescu: if you're going there to shoot people, you will be in a dome anyway.
ben_vulpes: in other news, the wsj is approximately the only place not using a javascript paywall
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, i could never see the business case for canada. << Their crop (softwood lumber) is already grown!!!
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to be a girly just like my dear papa i might be more interested.
BingoBoingo: Could take to Chicago, use as fuel for Hussein Bahamas Memorial Bio-Char plant!
ben_vulpes: euphemism, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: by the way which was the article in which you related telling your father that if you ever saw him again you'd kill him?
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
ben_vulpes: wao, trinque thanks
trinque: yw
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State" ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ^ lizards score 1, only took them since December
mircea_popescu: ahaha what!
mircea_popescu: the soup's getting ready to boil!
BingoBoingo: Flynn talked the the Russian ambassador in December as part of preparing for office. Unnamed bureaucrat has been slowly leaking details to press from wiretap. Flynn sinned by lying to Pence. Lying to Pence is a Cardinal sin.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, why'd he do that.
mircea_popescu: grab 'em by the pussy!
BingoBoingo: Hence kinda win for Trump getting Flynn out. Lack of grabbing determination.
BingoBoingo: Forearm strength is not enough!
mircea_popescu: myeah
BingoBoingo: Military man can do pushups, but does he have it in his heart to grab the pussy and pull himself up?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/being-a-sucker/ << Trilema - Being a sucker
phf: asciilifeform: another one of little languages for your consideration https://github.com/zserge/partcl
asciilifeform: phf: pretty lulzy, advertises 'Runs well on bare metal embedded MCUs (~10k of flash is required)' but... uses a heap
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613801 << one more for the 'if he used crypto, he might still be on his throne' list ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 04:48 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/us-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn-blackmailed-into-resignation-by-us-deep-state/ << Qntra - US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn Blackmailed Into Resignation By US "Deep State"
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 please republish the pherkin tests for me plox thx
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: not really asciilifeform ; the russians made no secret of it.
mircea_popescu: it's not like he was some sort of person, with whom you'd want to meet ~for him~. nobody wants to meet with michael flynn for michael flynn, and this includes his own offspring, let alone people who are actually somebody.
mircea_popescu: the only reason they'd meet with him was if it would count ; much like the only reason you take kim's ass out is if you can then put it on your twinstagram
mircea_popescu: for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which speaks directly to the greater point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-06#1611824 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-06 17:27 mircea_popescu: Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "i can't see how crypto relates to me" is exactly how phantoms say "i think i mgiht be a phantom masquerading as a person". they're usually right, too.
mircea_popescu: and in other "stop this motherfucking spaceship i want to get off", try and find a youtube tannenbaum that's not fucking lyrical to saccharine proportions.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is wrong with these dorks, from bocelli onwards. IT IS NOT A LYRICAL PIECE!!!
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking military march for chrissakes. has the last arranger left in this world died, forgotten and alone ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, regarding lobbesbot billing for auctions: I'm assuming it should be spitting out a signed bill. Problem being that lobbesbot currently sits on VPS, and I don't want my personal signing key to reside on that box. Would it be a bad idea to sign these bills with lobbesbot's key instead?
lobbes: Other option I guess being I just keep running tabs and bill once a month or somesuch from my local box, signing from there
danielpbarron: does it need to sign things?
lobbes: No real *need*, I guess. But if we are going to be deeding these things then I figured I ought to start thinking about what that'd entail from my end
trinque: I don't see that they need to. Rather, deedbot ought to output regular deeds of the transactions it has processed in a given period (week/month)
trinque: lobbes: there will be a human operator running the auction, right?
mircea_popescu: lobbes it having own key seems logical to me
mircea_popescu: trinque notrly.
trinque: a ok
mircea_popescu: thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that.
danielpbarron: i was thinking a signed thing per auction for the bidder/auctioneer to do something with
danielpbarron: thinking as in, i thought that's what you were talking about; not that i think it's needed
trinque: mircea_popescu: so if the whole thing gets signed, something like this? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZG1n8/?raw=true
trinque: where signer is the intended recipient of funds
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nah the idea is more http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-02-08.log.html#t17:05:28
danielpbarron: what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction.
mircea_popescu: yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format
danielpbarron: is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed?
mircea_popescu: and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof.
mircea_popescu: it's a 3 party system, see, biller, billee and banker.
trinque: I will also be piling up the signed material for my records
mircea_popescu: the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you.
danielpbarron: how does deedbot deal with having 2 ^ 64 up requests?
mircea_popescu: suppose you have 3 you absolutely must pay among there. i hope youbrought a big http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy/
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol.
trinque: lol
trinque: "WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron make sense ?
danielpbarron: so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure
trinque: also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended.
trinque: it was why I asked about human operator
mircea_popescu: essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs.
danielpbarron: signature doesn't confirm that either
mircea_popescu: the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more.
trinque: danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine.
danielpbarron: the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received
trinque: elaborate on that "is"
trinque: I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ?
trinque: I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge
trinque: that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary
danielpbarron: i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts
trinque: sure, explaining.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp.
danielpbarron: trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on..
trinque: aha, I will change that.
trinque: we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot
danielpbarron: that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh.
trinque: testing currently in #trilema-trinque
trinque: mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if ==
mircea_popescu: yes, it's no longer fire-and-forget to bill.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data
mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go.
trinque: hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here.
mircea_popescu: blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates
ben_vulpes: OFC
mircea_popescu: is this good for magacoin ?
ben_vulpes: i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night
mircea_popescu: dingleagain
ben_vulpes: make my butthole great again, baby
mircea_popescu: i... i didn't know you swung that way
ben_vulpes: hey, wiping one's own ass is for poorfags
mircea_popescu: yes but making it great is for proper fags eh.
ben_vulpes: wouldn't really know! just crackin wize
mircea_popescu: did your irc just write checks your mabha can't squash ?
ben_vulpes: in other morning reading: http://68.media.tumblr.com/52d3875c897c25f530683047c2a4d076/tumblr_oate2xx1BW1si95b9o1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been digging for the thread where we discussed CFB ('cipher block chaining'), the infamous penguin, etc. but could not find
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590007 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg .
asciilifeform: i found that one. but i thought there was also another where i suggested a sideways cut of the knot
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember this
asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: you encipher the x1,x2,.....x_n with one key, and the y1,y2...y_n with another.
mircea_popescu: what happens if i find x y and xor em ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you do this every time, after you decrypt the x- and y- blocks.
asciilifeform: to get the original payload.
asciilifeform: what we've done here is to destroy the structure of the penguin
asciilifeform: without chaining the blockcipher's blocks
mircea_popescu: ie better padding ?
asciilifeform: not only.
asciilifeform: each block ciphrator is now eating what is individually a trng stream.
mircea_popescu: that;s definitionally "better padding" neh?
asciilifeform: right, but this is not normally where 'padding' is used. but yes.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: so the win is, since you dispense with feedback, you can parallelize encipher and decipher, blockwise.
mircea_popescu: provided your rng is good.
asciilifeform: at least one of the losses, however, is that you now need a serious rng on the transmitter.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization.
asciilifeform: and you are also limited now to its bit rate.
asciilifeform: there is no limit to the parallelization (it is exactly (bytes in paylod)/(the block size of the cipher) threads ) but you cannot generate a new ciphertext any faster than your rng will give it to you.
asciilifeform: the good news is that you can stack up as many rng as you like...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, exactly.
Reuel: I found your garlic, you vampires! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&v=1_W-7hd4T2I
Reuel: Anyway, loved the plumber stories!
Reuel: Riled me up
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
Reuel: the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship
Reuel: hte main ingredients of bitcoin
Reuel: but really I just wanted to say I liked the http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumbin-plumber/ and sequel
Reuel: just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1010.01, vol: 6465.29193217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 994.997, vol: 6574.49599 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1010.5, vol: 11859.53838786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 982.797088, vol: 6661.63570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1012.999, vol: 1909.52092443 | Volume-weighted last average: 1001.98900183
BingoBoingo: That stabilitit
mircea_popescu: nice.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/14/status-isnt-a-zero-sum-attention-game/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Status isn’t a zero-sum attention game.
mircea_popescu: hey, nice header.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.'
asciilifeform: '"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: haha you're very sweet
mircea_popescu: o hey, this should be interesting.
mircea_popescu: o hey!
ben_vulpes: !!up mike_c
deedbot: mike_c voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: you there, boss?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: his ghost ship has been orbiting for ages
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hope springs eternal
ben_vulpes: a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels
ben_vulpes: if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs
asciilifeform: in other lulz, supposedly fuhrer of northkr finally had his half-brother poisoned:
asciilifeform: 'Malaysian police official Fadzil Ahmat told The Star that Mr Kim had alerted a receptionist, saying "someone had grabbed him from behind and splashed a liquid on his face". But quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama, the same official said a woman had come at him from behind and "covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid". Earlier reports spoke of a "spray" being used or a needle. His eyes "suffered burns as a result of the
asciilifeform: liquid", Fadzil Ahmat told Bernama, and he died on the way to hospital in nearby Putrajaya.'
asciilifeform: ^ this rumour is interesting to asciilifeform because he is unaware of any poison that fits this description that would not equally endanger the wielder
BingoBoingo: Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 corpse
BingoBoingo: Weilder willing to die for kimchi fuhrer
BingoBoingo: 1 corpse people makes new, other dies later?
asciilifeform: fwiw i am unaware of a poison where (supposing it was strictly wet-rag delivery) you get this.
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu can think of one.
BingoBoingo: HF
BingoBoingo: Or anything else mixed with enough DMSO
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if dmso, there'd be a dead medic or two
asciilifeform: and afaik there was not
BingoBoingo: Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin
asciilifeform: we had dmso thread, sure
asciilifeform: ( >> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378362 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
asciilifeform: the 'burns' part suggests hf.