ben_vulpes: better dirt under your fingernails and a cupboard full of tomatoes than rubber food and children with no immune system
ben_vulpes: "why have healthcare costs quintupled over the past three decades?" "did you roll your children in dirt today?" "no?" "well there you have it"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1.15 ^ 30 = 66.21177195678574
ben_vulpes: better throw out the family canning tools i guess
mircea_popescu: (in fairness though, inflation didn't go over 10 before the monkey went into office)
ben_vulpes: someone call the old witches and tell them the things they did all day were pointless
mircea_popescu: ah, canned tomatoes. yeah. is the sun strong enough there to dry them well btw ?
ben_vulpes: highly dependent on when the crop comes in
mircea_popescu: now that's a way to make money as a etsy head, plant an acre of tomatoes, sell five or so tons of primo sundried tomato. 10k a ton or such.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tomato crop comes in from late july onwards into winter.
ben_vulpes: depends on when mine come in relative to how strong the sun is at that time of year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, actually. i saw some harvest an acre of dicks, on their hands and knees.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes only mentioned it in the sense of "worth it moreso than for stupid solar power bs".
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: sure beats reading the source on over-modal'ed websharts
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: good to hear. If you or anyone else has something they want the archiver to do, speak now.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: don't set it in stone, things move very slowly in the republic.
gabriel_laddel_p: one prior (many months ago) suggestion I liked: archive from that page to a depth of 2.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p if it could detect and wipe the idiotic wrap(80) thing that'd be great.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: in other things i don't hate, this yamhill valley rose of pinots is not foul!
gabriel_laddel_p: Sadly you will only be able to do this if you are running Masamune, as it is 100% dependent on its internals.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, every film with michael douglas in it is a piece of shit ; but perhaps none as much as "the game". holy fucking shit, the premise is a dour dude who "has it all", including a disdainful relationship with his ex wife and two hotties vying for his attention at work nevertheless a) lives in a totally empty house. because how fucking hard & unthinkable it would be to get all the ex secretaries to live there hu
mircea_popescu: rr ; b) goes to some derpy obscure "firm" and spends A WHOLE DAY of his apparently priceless-worthess time doing the equivalent of posting naked selfies all day on twitter.
mircea_popescu: more contortedly idiotic nonsense "this is how rich dudes r, for srs guise" could scarcely be devised.
mircea_popescu: dude fills in forms. i'm like "hey, when's the last time you saw me fill in a form ?". hilarity ensues.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you would like the whole archive.is enchilada ? all the crap ~anyone~ ever saved there ? i imagine it's petabytes by now
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: very little of this is CL. The save-page-complete and save-page-as-text comes as part of the conkeror browser, and I just drive it with CL.
ben_vulpes: and to think, $girl wanted to move to .lt
ben_vulpes: mostly project explore-family-tree-and-meet-long-lost-branches
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna move, go to ukraine. cheap and fertile.
ben_vulpes: then i think slovenia was the next "what if"
deedbot: `_^gk`_^1wm`_^ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: i'd not mind teh ukr, provided i could figure out where the shoosting is happening where it's likely to spread to etc etc
mircea_popescu: think for a second : ukraine is as large as texas. if someone were firing 1mn rounds each and every single day, that's still about one round each million square meters.
mircea_popescu: contrary to press reports, "dangerous" places are never practically dangerous.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the ~only place in the world with land worth buying that you can afford to buy today is ukraina.
mircea_popescu: now, whether they kick you out once it settles down is indeed a toss-up, but eventually at some point you're going to have to take a chance.
mircea_popescu: except, he goes there to live. with woman. and small child. that MAY do something.
ben_vulpes: appeals, but "or you could just move in upstairs" also appeals
ben_vulpes: the room in which i grew up is larger than the house i rent today.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i could never see the business case for canada.
ben_vulpes: "surely come global warming all that land will be so farmable!"
ben_vulpes: and that's coming from a guy who grew up in portland
mircea_popescu: places inhabited by a thin sliver of idiots are essentially brackish water. canada, argentina, the us to a large extent. they're neither fucking nor will get off the pig.
mircea_popescu: eh. do you understand i produce about ONE QUARTER TON of water a week through diligent application of electric power in this god forsaken shithole ?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "climate made for white man". the thing with white man, unlike all other man, is that white man makes climate not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: if you're going there to shoot people, you will be in a dome anyway.
ben_vulpes: in other news, the wsj is approximately the only place not using a javascript paywall
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, i could never see the business case for canada. << Their crop (softwood lumber) is already grown!!!
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to be a girly just like my dear papa i might be more interested.
BingoBoingo: Could take to Chicago, use as fuel for Hussein Bahamas Memorial Bio-Char plant!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: by the way which was the article in which you related telling your father that if you ever saw him again you'd kill him?
BingoBoingo: ^ lizards score 1, only took them since December
BingoBoingo: Flynn talked the the Russian ambassador in December as part of preparing for office. Unnamed bureaucrat has been slowly leaking details to press from wiretap. Flynn sinned by lying to Pence. Lying to Pence is a Cardinal sin.
BingoBoingo: Hence kinda win for Trump getting Flynn out. Lack of grabbing determination.
BingoBoingo: Military man can do pushups, but does he have it in his heart to grab the pussy and pull himself up?
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 please republish the pherkin tests for me plox thx
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: not really asciilifeform ; the russians made no secret of it.
mircea_popescu: it's not like he was some sort of person, with whom you'd want to meet ~for him~. nobody wants to meet with michael flynn for michael flynn, and this includes his own offspring, let alone people who are actually somebody.
mircea_popescu: the only reason they'd meet with him was if it would count ; much like the only reason you take kim's ass out is if you can then put it on your twinstagram
mircea_popescu: for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-02-06 17:27 mircea_popescu: Reuel the notion that "the world" somehow "exists" and it is incumbent for reality to "convince it" thus getting that supposed world which somehow exists to empower actual reality is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "i can't see how crypto relates to me" is exactly how phantoms say "i think i mgiht be a phantom masquerading as a person". they're usually right, too.
mircea_popescu: and in other "stop this motherfucking spaceship i want to get off", try and find a youtube tannenbaum that's not fucking lyrical to saccharine proportions.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is wrong with these dorks, from bocelli onwards. IT IS NOT A LYRICAL PIECE!!!
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking military march for chrissakes. has the last arranger left in this world died, forgotten and alone ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, regarding lobbesbot billing for auctions: I'm assuming it should be spitting out a signed bill. Problem being that lobbesbot currently sits on VPS, and I don't want my personal signing key to reside on that box. Would it be a bad idea to sign these bills with lobbesbot's key instead?
lobbes: Other option I guess being I just keep running tabs and bill once a month or somesuch from my local box, signing from there
lobbes: No real *need*, I guess. But if we are going to be deeding these things then I figured I ought to start thinking about what that'd entail from my end
trinque: I don't see that they need to. Rather, deedbot ought to output regular deeds of the transactions it has processed in a given period (week/month)
trinque: lobbes: there will be a human operator running the auction, right?
mircea_popescu: thatr's kind of the gain, since the bot is active minimum auction went from ~1mn ecu (bout 10 bux) to 5% that.
danielpbarron: i was thinking a signed thing per auction for the bidder/auctioneer to do something with
danielpbarron: thinking as in, i thought that's what you were talking about; not that i think it's needed
trinque: where signer is the intended recipient of funds
danielpbarron: what is the purpose of a signature? generally i mean. because as I understand it, if the goal isn't to make the text public, it is possible to achieve whatever you want through 2 decryptions in the place of 1 signature
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's an invoice. the idea is you pay to run an auction.
mircea_popescu: yeah trinque something like that. we'd have to nail down a permanent invoice format
danielpbarron: is the invoice meant to be held against someone in public in the case they don't pay? and that's why it is signed?
mircea_popescu: and yes, singer = intended recipient ; this way lobbes can make lobbesbot a deedbot account and get paid.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the only reason it's signed (by the bot) is so that deedbot can distinguish it from a spoof.
mircea_popescu: it's a 3 party system, see, biller, billee and banker.
trinque: I will also be piling up the signed material for my records
mircea_popescu: the problem with having unsigned invoices is that one morning you wake up and there's 2 ^ 64 invoices waiting for you.
danielpbarron: how does deedbot deal with having 2 ^ 64 up requests?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron > dev/null/ except if there's something in there you want. then you're sol.
danielpbarron: so signatures could be said to put the burden on the one making the request, as an anti-spam measure
trinque: also, the OTP dance doesn't by itself confirm that A received B's invoice as it was intended.
trinque: it was why I asked about human operator
mircea_popescu: essentially. it allows to filter the flood at the gate. if invoices are not signed then deedbot has to talk to person any time an electric interaction happens ; if they are signed person can have whitelists, deedbot need only talk to person when meaningful occurs.
mircea_popescu: the whole point of republican activity being to leverage computing power to protect wetware circuitry as much as feasible and no more.
trinque: danielpbarron: specifically in transit; I can't control what goes on in your castle, nor you in mine.
danielpbarron: the otp is functionally the same as a signature for the purpose of keeping text unmollested, and also the same in that neither can ensure a message is ever actually received
trinque: I get unsigned text, I give you an encrypted OTP; how then are you to know that OTP corresponds on my end to an unmodified copy of your invoice?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ie, you'd rather lobbesbot says something to deedbot, then !!v's ?
trinque: I had already considered this, and one avenue there was to put the invoice data back into the encrypted challenge
trinque: that adds a step on lobbesbot's side that's unnecessary
danielpbarron: i'm trying to understand when a signature is prefered over a handshake of encrypted unsigned texts
mircea_popescu: speaking of which trinque : it's somewhat dubious you send plain otps. you should send request.string+otp.
danielpbarron: trinque, yeah the reply contains the first message plus the responce. 3rd message (if needed) contains text of 2nd message, and so on..
trinque: we're pretty close to me bringing in an updated version of the bot
danielpbarron: that is, 3rd message only needs to contain the reply part of the 2nd message. it's not necessary to keep the entire conversation
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the otp approach as opposed to the signature approach tbh.
trinque: testing currently in #trilema-trinque
trinque: mircea_popescu: just means that lobbesbot must have state which keeps track of requests sent, then matches them to incoming OTP, then sends OTP if ==
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, there's not a lbockchain, ie, ever-growing pile of signed data
mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if yes the system's unbound, if no then why the fuck even bother, just do otp from get-go.
trinque: hm, yeah. there's a good argument against building a shitty blockchain here.
mircea_popescu: blockchain technology chiefly consists of knowing when NOT to implement one.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yellen still planning to raise rates
ben_vulpes: i think i found some great again in my butthairs last night
ben_vulpes: hey, wiping one's own ass is for poorfags
ben_vulpes: wouldn't really know! just crackin wize
mircea_popescu: did your irc just write checks your mabha can't squash ?
mircea_popescu: actually : the quality of the rng is the limit on the parallelization.
Reuel: Anyway, loved the plumber stories!
Reuel: the link? it is the beauty of diversity and the power of friendship
Reuel: hte main ingredients of bitcoin
Reuel: just couldnt resist posting that video I ran into
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1010.01, vol: 6465.29193217 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 994.997, vol: 6574.49599 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1010.5, vol: 11859.53838786 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 982.797088, vol: 6661.63570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1012.999, vol: 1909.52092443 | Volume-weighted last average: 1001.98900183
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: cheers. photo was taken on first trip to europe. house exchange in denmark/germany in the days before airbnb.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i profit little from things that other people say they plan to do. you also can't dress today for tomorrow's weather.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just trying to cheer you up, buddy!
deedbot: mike_c voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: a man may be forgiven the odd transmission to otherwise apparently derelict friends' vessels
ben_vulpes: if only join/parts weren't so frequently so spammy; it'd be nicely contextual for eg the previous conversation in logs
BingoBoingo: Maybe endangering weilder is part of the point?
BingoBoingo: 1 corpse people makes new, other dies later?
BingoBoingo: Only if medic got solution on skin. DMSO itself is not mega poison, just mega transporter through skin
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO