tmsr - Log 2018-07-09

mircea_popescu: check out the aggressive mp.

mircea_popescu: esthlos can't select portions of your blog! but anyway, "Make a new patch with esthlos-v_genesis and some node of the EuCrypt tree as parents." wasn't contemplated, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592769 ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: just search for me screaming "there's only one genesis" and frothing at the mouth.

mircea_popescu: so it was, "re-grind your genesis ~as a patch upon eucrypt~."

mircea_popescu: and yes, the effort to understand is not getting cut out.

mircea_popescu: http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/#footnote_5_24 << signing a patch signifies, at the common basis, a) that the signer has read the patch and that b) in his best effort determination b1) the transformation that the specified patch brings upon b2) the exact codebase specified will not b3) ~introduce~ properties that are b4) novel, unobvious and nefarious (all three).

mircea_popescu: this is the "default genesis" so to speak of any signature's seals. if the owner patches upon it, to make it eg "this is a lulz signature, will sign all retarded implementations with it", that'd be his problem, and yours only by the extension of, "why are you trusting signatures without knowing the owner enough to have seen the actual meaning-patch-tree he uses".

mircea_popescu: that satisfies ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832898 << 2 oldies ( from prev shot and still alive, evidently ) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: incredible enough, >0 still breakable.

mircea_popescu: i guess the cosmic ray is still powered on.

mircea_popescu: of course, this may just be a problem of optics. apple tree keeps on giving for 30+ years, debian so far smoking nervously in the 1st decade corner.

asciilifeform still finds it surreal that anybody wanted anyffing whatsoever to do with debian after the 'bug'

mircea_popescu: as xerox parc and say symbolics well proved (and crapple, shittysoft, etc all eagerly copied), no computer science matters for very long.

mircea_popescu: if my slavegirl coco asked me in the 50s if i recommend she go into fashion or into computing, she'd still have been coco chanel.

mircea_popescu: lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so.

mircea_popescu: and ~just as~ in the computer case, fashion also has some kind of vague relation with objective realities. somewhat. tit holes usually go in front, registers usually go on a bus, sorta level of reality constraint.

asciilifeform: go into pest control.. at least those roaches actually die sometimes when you spray'em

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so. << Whoever came up with those graft jeans has a legacy

asciilifeform: to carry on with analogy, it is not yet even clear to asciilifeform whether there even is a kitchen beneath the writhing mass.

mircea_popescu: afaik it was the discotards that introduced them into zek wardrobe. definitely 70s item

mircea_popescu: possibly to be pinned on that y s laurent faggot.

mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg/596px-Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg << roflmao @ wikipedia. seriously, "Couple" ? not pimp'n'ho ? USURE ?

asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform dun know diff b/w laurent, chanell, coco, all same to my orc eye.

asciilifeform: and largely associated with spam in my head, being the only place i ever encountered said strings.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coco chanel was an interesting enough woman.

mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2014-09-03 11:56 mircea_popescu: By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)

ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away ☟︎

phf: ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot

BingoBoingo: <phf> ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot << I am pretty sure this line was crossed irrevcably sometime between 2011 and 2015. Now we are just hitting new frontiers of idiocy

ave1: yes, It's the process of going sarting with "why am I not getting any core dumps" to "o hey the kernel will call a program to handle core dumps" to "O fuck, systemd is called". And then systemd with all of it's policies and pure stupidity.

ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 09:44 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-03#819330, just got hit by this one

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform . ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 02:22 mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.

BingoBoingo: In contrast Saturday simply rotated between different intensities of rain

phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832935 << bwahahaha jaysus. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 09:44 ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832943 << same here, and generally throughout the logs. even phf mostly yielded ye olde box. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:12 ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832946 << a) they were the standard undergarment for dressed up female longer&wider than ~any other item ; b) they are actually a very faberge-like engineering item. i propose your disinterest is merely driven by your never having seen an item, either at rest or in use. but no, not toyota, rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1832121 ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform .

a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 22:18 asciilifeform: tell usa victim about su konsoomer ~mechanical~ clock with temperature compensation, ruby bearings, etc., he will assume you've taken lsd.

mircea_popescu: eg, whalebone was used because only material known strong, durable and flexible enough.

mircea_popescu: and when i say "stepped beyond the corset" i mean, that she proposed the first recipe for obtaining lady (ie, lordship female) that is both a) dressed and b) not in a corset.

mircea_popescu: her genesis took.

phf: in america corsets are predominantly worn by overweight "doms", and they are bought from goth costume stores, a very peculiar item, that ensures that any mention of "corset" in the conversation indicates a loser

mircea_popescu: yes well. not what's here contemplated.

mircea_popescu: woman lived in the 1920s after all.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the display is not the use. the use is the lacing it.

mircea_popescu: comes as close to giving the woman a good beating as humanly possible without welts and leather straps. which ~makes me suspect~ it was very much not coincidental

diana_coman: hm, I still remember that once-alive liver with corset-imprint in it

diana_coman: asciilifeform, they used to faint all the time sometimes for real for lack of air

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is one of the few details i actually knew, re corset

mircea_popescu: and makes the krummem Holze quite apparent : a) they make substitute whipping implement that then b) they make the women use among themselves.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she holds on to a post. you know, just as when punished ; you pull. she ends up winded and you end up sweating.

mircea_popescu: SPREADING -- WORKS.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832963 << on (unmodified) crapple, since 5 or so yrs ago, even gdb dunwork ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 16:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832943 << same here, and generally throughout the logs. even phf mostly yielded ye olde box.

a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832959 << ah, it's paradise here, very definite mid april. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:46 phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books

asciilifeform: in other noose, marvell buys cavium . ( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-26#1213025 running thread ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-07-26 05:35 asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back

lobbesbot: AUCTION # 288: 1025 USD Opening: 1.5bn coppers Highest Bid: No bids Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:38 UTC (71 hours 53 mins)

lobbesbot: AUCTION # 289: 1025 USD Opening: 1.5bn coppers Highest Bid: No bids Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:56 UTC (71 hours 54 mins)

mod6: I started up two auctions, selling 0.15 BTC chunks for a minimum of $1025 USD each. Winning bidder will send a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a specified WU location or Bank Account after the auction is closed. The winner will wait until receipt of the WU or Wire Transfer is complete before recieving coins won in auction.

diana_coman: mod6, I find that confusing there: the auctions effectively state you are selling 1025$, not btc

diana_coman: basically people can bid more btc , not more $ so I don't see how is this meant to work

diana_coman: well, you are selling btc, right? so your "item" is 1.5bn coppers and the opening bid is 1025$; granted I'm not sure how would that work with lobbes's auction bot since the price there is in Ecu aka satoshis

diana_coman: it does seem to me that you need the functionality of lobbes's bot but with different parameters basically so perhaps customised, pizarro bot

mod6: Everyone, I am selling BITCOIN in two chunks, each of 0.15 BTC in size. These are selling for $1025 USD.

mod6: I need the buyer to make a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a destination that will be sent to the buyer. Upon completion of the WU or Wire Transfer, the bitcoins will be sent to whatever address you specify.

lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month. ☟︎

mod6: That would be wildly helpful. Something such as that, could basically replace the entire OTC.

mod6: Furthermore, it's such a worthy project that The Bitcoin Foundation should entertain grant proposals for the hosting of the bot & it's corresponding webpage.

lobbes: mod6 I would gladly work to earn that grant. As it is, I already need to get the 'legacy' auctionbot away from heathen dependencies (in this case, the 'supybot' api), so in building this custom auctionbot for pizarro I may just take the opportunity to design something sitting atop ircbot/logbot and eventually release a proper genesis ☟︎

mircea_popescu: mod6 interesting!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833011 << what, have an auction bot denominated in dollars ? i expect washington will take pula before we take fiat, neh ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:47 mod6: we need an auction bot that can do other things.

asciilifeform: as i understand, idea is auction of dollars denominated in btc (i.e. special-purpose honest exchange)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833016 << this is not the correct solution. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:49 lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month.

mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to distinguish selling and buying auctions. change the "A#285" lede into either "B#285" or "S#285" and then if it's a S have it work as it works now, but if it's a B have it work ~reverse~, so smaller bids overbid larger bids. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: and thusly keep transactions in the republic denominated in the currency of the republic. ☟︎

lobbes: mircea_popescu: this makes sense, and lines up with what dpb was saying in #p >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-9#396438

lobbes: asciilifeform: can haz. I'ma move this up to item #1 in hopper ☟︎☟︎

Mocky: so then the auction would go like a buy order for $1025 USD, with an opening bid of 0.15 BTC. Then a bid of 0.14 BTC overbids. This seems like all around a pretty convenient thing. ☟︎