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asciilifeform: esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-07 << phuctor, not phunctor, lol
mircea_popescu: check out the aggressive mp.
asciilifeform: in other lullities :
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E7F1A77C5BC62EBC7D363251EA4A619BD704ED95C32BC5099917934CAB1EA41
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07D36937F9F275F5AD92B6D397BBE17BA97FE32DA1BAB6D74F79F4630B8F686B
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C53BB07585337A00976B8666F121358E0F05673DE88096B8B9D42EA475843C12
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6E4958477F09D96D009E1C5D5AADFC0E982078F819FA8F24133B2E929053640
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B40D542177EE42B221CD83C7D55EB24AC593ABD186879DC6186E2414809C5C8
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24D4646DCCA7BF31D2F07E76FCD110387B4BFB2E716882DF03E52DEAE7A5C46F
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07D36937F9F275F5AD92B6D397BBE17BA97FE32DA1BAB6D74F79F4630B8F686B
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C53BB07585337A00976B8666F121358E0F05673DE88096B8B9D42EA475843C12
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6E4958477F09D96D009E1C5D5AADFC0E982078F819FA8F24133B2E929053640
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B40D542177EE42B221CD83C7D55EB24AC593ABD186879DC6186E2414809C5C8
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24D4646DCCA7BF31D2F07E76FCD110387B4BFB2E716882DF03E52DEAE7A5C46F
asciilifeform: and that's the whole harvest.
mircea_popescu: dozen exactly ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos can't select portions of your blog! but anyway, "Make a new patch with esthlos-v_genesis and some node of the EuCrypt tree as parents." wasn't contemplated, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592769 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: just search for me screaming "there's only one genesis" and frothing at the mouth.
mircea_popescu: so it was, "re-grind your genesis ~as a patch upon eucrypt~."
mircea_popescu: and yes, the effort to understand is not getting cut out.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/#footnote_5_24 << signing a patch signifies, at the common basis, a) that the signer has read the patch and that b) in his best effort determination b1) the transformation that the specified patch brings upon b2) the exact codebase specified will not b3) ~introduce~ properties that are b4) novel, unobvious and nefarious (all three).
mircea_popescu: this is the "default genesis" so to speak of any signature's seals. if the owner patches upon it, to make it eg "this is a lulz signature, will sign all retarded implementations with it", that'd be his problem, and yours only by the extension of, "why are you trusting signatures without knowing the owner enough to have seen the actual meaning-patch-tree he uses".
mircea_popescu: that satisfies ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832898 << 2 oldies ( from prev shot and still alive, evidently ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 01:46 mircea_popescu: dozen exactly ?
mircea_popescu: incredible enough, >0 still breakable.
mircea_popescu: i guess the cosmic ray is still powered on.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: can click on factor to see who's debianized etc
asciilifeform: debian, 'gift keeps on giving', lol
mircea_popescu: of course, this may just be a problem of optics. apple tree keeps on giving for 30+ years, debian so far smoking nervously in the 1st decade corner.
asciilifeform still finds it surreal that anybody wanted anyffing whatsoever to do with debian after the 'bug'
mircea_popescu: as xerox parc and say symbolics well proved (and crapple, shittysoft, etc all eagerly copied), no computer science matters for very long.
asciilifeform: lol science
mircea_popescu: if my slavegirl coco asked me in the 50s if i recommend she go into fashion or into computing, she'd still have been coco chanel.
mircea_popescu: lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so.
mircea_popescu: and ~just as~ in the computer case, fashion also has some kind of vague relation with objective realities. somewhat. tit holes usually go in front, registers usually go on a bus, sorta level of reality constraint.
asciilifeform: go into pest control.. at least those roaches actually die sometimes when you spray'em
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so. << Whoever came up with those graft jeans has a legacy
asciilifeform: to carry on with analogy, it is not yet even clear to asciilifeform whether there even is a kitchen beneath the writhing mass.
mircea_popescu: afaik it was the discotards that introduced them into zek wardrobe. definitely 70s item
mircea_popescu: possibly to be pinned on that y s laurent faggot.
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg/596px-Well_dressed_couple%2C_Michigan_Avenue%2C_Chicago%2C_circa_July_1975.jpg << roflmao @ wikipedia. seriously, "Couple" ? not pimp'n'ho ? USURE ?
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform dun know diff b/w laurent, chanell, coco, all same to my orc eye.
asciilifeform: and largely associated with spam in my head, being the only place i ever encountered said strings.
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coco chanel was an interesting enough woman.
mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.
ave1: !#s systemd core
a111: 1 result for "systemd core", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=systemd%20core
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-03#819330, just got hit by this one ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-09-03 11:56 mircea_popescu: By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)
ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away
ave1 grabs his copy of "The LINUX-HATERS handbook"
phf: ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot
BingoBoingo: <phf> ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot << I am pretty sure this line was crossed irrevcably sometime between 2011 and 2015. Now we are just hitting new frontiers of idiocy
ave1: yes, It's the process of going sarting with "why am I not getting any core dumps" to "o hey the kernel will call a program to handle core dumps" to "O fuck, systemd is called". And then systemd with all of it's policies and pure stupidity.
ave1: And this process wastes time
ave1: Well, all in a days work, I guess.
ave1: of going sarting with --> starting with
ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832933 << why are you using poettering-rotted linux, ave1 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 09:44 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-03#819330, just got hit by this one
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 02:22 mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.
ave1: asciilifeform, work
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Mornin
mod6: how goes?
BingoBoingo: Cloudy, but at least it isn't raining
mod6: Nice.
phf: BingoBoingo: is it still muggy down there?
BingoBoingo: phf: Muggy in a "cold" way, but less consistently
BingoBoingo: Yesterday afternoon was downright pleasant
phf nods
BingoBoingo: In contrast Saturday simply rotated between different intensities of rain
phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Costa Rica gets cold in the way Uruguay does
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832935 << bwahahaha jaysus. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 09:44 ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832943 << same here, and generally throughout the logs. even phf mostly yielded ye olde box. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:12 ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832946 << a) they were the standard undergarment for dressed up female longer&wider than ~any other item ; b) they are actually a very faberge-like engineering item. i propose your disinterest is merely driven by your never having seen an item, either at rest or in use. but no, not toyota, rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1832121 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform .
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 22:18 asciilifeform: tell usa victim about su konsoomer ~mechanical~ clock with temperature compensation, ruby bearings, etc., he will assume you've taken lsd.
mircea_popescu: eg, whalebone was used because only material known strong, durable and flexible enough.
mircea_popescu: and when i say "stepped beyond the corset" i mean, that she proposed the first recipe for obtaining lady (ie, lordship female) that is both a) dressed and b) not in a corset.
mircea_popescu: her genesis took.
asciilifeform: pretty sure i saw it in use -- iirc hanbot showed one at c3
asciilifeform: and i can definitely picture how it's a 'high tech' item, sure.
phf: in america corsets are predominantly worn by overweight "doms", and they are bought from goth costume stores, a very peculiar item, that ensures that any mention of "corset" in the conversation indicates a loser
phf: /"corsets"/
mircea_popescu: yes well. not what's here contemplated.
mircea_popescu: woman lived in the 1920s after all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the display is not the use. the use is the lacing it.
mircea_popescu: comes as close to giving the woman a good beating as humanly possible without welts and leather straps. which ~makes me suspect~ it was very much not coincidental
asciilifeform: i.e. a sort of hair shirt ?
diana_coman: hm, I still remember that once-alive liver with corset-imprint in it
diana_coman: asciilifeform, they used to faint all the time sometimes for real for lack of air
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is one of the few details i actually knew, re corset
mircea_popescu: and makes the krummem Holze quite apparent : a) they make substitute whipping implement that then b) they make the women use among themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she holds on to a post. you know, just as when punished ; you pull. she ends up winded and you end up sweating.
mircea_popescu: SPREADING -- WORKS.
asciilifeform: punished; you pull << oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKd2YldRvB8
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832963 << on (unmodified) crapple, since 5 or so yrs ago, even gdb dunwork ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 16:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832943 << same here, and generally throughout the logs. even phf mostly yielded ye olde box.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597418 << see also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
asciilifeform: i.e. moar fascist than microshit
asciilifeform: 'can't let luser insert debug hooks'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832959 << ah, it's paradise here, very definite mid april. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:46 phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/johnson-resigns-as-uk-foreign-secretary-over-impossibility-of-mays-soft-brexit-effort/ << Qntra - Johnson Resigns As UK Foreign Secretary Over Impossibility Of May's "Soft" Brexit Effort
asciilifeform: in other noose, marvell buys cavium . ( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-26#1213025 running thread ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-26 05:35 asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/security-personnel-continue-leaking-location-and-activity-information-through-fitness-apps/ << Qntra - "Security" Personnel Continue Leaking Location And Activity Information Through Fitness Apps
mod6: !Qauctionlist 288
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 288: 1025 USD Opening: 1.5bn coppers Highest Bid: No bids Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:38 UTC (71 hours 53 mins)
mod6: !Qauctionlist 289
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 289: 1025 USD Opening: 1.5bn coppers Highest Bid: No bids Ending: 2018-07-12 20:35:56 UTC (71 hours 54 mins)
mod6: I started up two auctions, selling 0.15 BTC chunks for a minimum of $1025 USD each. Winning bidder will send a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a specified WU location or Bank Account after the auction is closed. The winner will wait until receipt of the WU or Wire Transfer is complete before recieving coins won in auction.
diana_coman: mod6, I find that confusing there: the auctions effectively state you are selling 1025$, not btc
mod6: well...
diana_coman: basically people can bid more btc , not more $ so I don't see how is this meant to work
mod6: maybe help me out. how would you enter it in to make it more clear?
mod6: nevermind, this clearly is not going to work.
diana_coman: well, you are selling btc, right? so your "item" is 1.5bn coppers and the opening bid is 1025$; granted I'm not sure how would that work with lobbes's auction bot since the price there is in Ecu aka satoshis
mod6: we need an auction bot that can do other things.
diana_coman: it does seem to me that you need the functionality of lobbes's bot but with different parameters basically so perhaps customised, pizarro bot
mod6: Everyone, I am selling BITCOIN in two chunks, each of 0.15 BTC in size. These are selling for $1025 USD.
mod6: each.
mod6: I need the buyer to make a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a destination that will be sent to the buyer. Upon completion of the WU or Wire Transfer, the bitcoins will be sent to whatever address you specify.
lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month.
mod6: That would be wildly helpful. Something such as that, could basically replace the entire OTC.
lobbes: word. I'll keep you updated
mod6: cheers lobbes
mod6: Furthermore, it's such a worthy project that The Bitcoin Foundation should entertain grant proposals for the hosting of the bot & it's corresponding webpage.
mod6: *its
lobbes: mod6 I would gladly work to earn that grant. As it is, I already need to get the 'legacy' auctionbot away from heathen dependencies (in this case, the 'supybot' api), so in building this custom auctionbot for pizarro I may just take the opportunity to design something sitting atop ircbot/logbot and eventually release a proper genesis
mircea_popescu: mod6 interesting!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833011 << what, have an auction bot denominated in dollars ? i expect washington will take pula before we take fiat, neh ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:47 mod6: we need an auction bot that can do other things.
asciilifeform: as i understand, idea is auction of dollars denominated in btc (i.e. special-purpose honest exchange)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833016 << this is not the correct solution. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:49 lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to distinguish selling and buying auctions. change the "A#285" lede into either "B#285" or "S#285" and then if it's a S have it work as it works now, but if it's a B have it work ~reverse~, so smaller bids overbid larger bids.
mircea_popescu: and thusly keep transactions in the republic denominated in the currency of the republic.
asciilifeform: logical. lobbes , can haz ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: this makes sense, and lines up with what dpb was saying in #p >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-9#396438
lobbes: asciilifeform: can haz. I'ma move this up to item #1 in hopper
Mocky: so then the auction would go like a buy order for $1025 USD, with an opening bid of 0.15 BTC. Then a bid of 0.14 BTC overbids. This seems like all around a pretty convenient thing.
mircea_popescu: yes.
lobbes: also opens up the possibility of, say, bidding on job contracts, etc
mircea_popescu: anything where something definite is sought, yep
Mocky: trucker tits, opening bid 0.02
mircea_popescu: lo