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ben_vulpes: pw:rn?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fuckgoats-for-sale/ << Daniel P. Barron - FUCKGOATS For Sale
mircea_popescu: !~google pw:rn site:ed.org
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: aww.
asciilifeform bbl -- meat
mircea_popescu: you knwo you should eat some bread and vegetables on occasion ☟︎
phf: all that meat's what making you so angry
mircea_popescu: he's angry ? seems more like incurably disdainful
phf: hmm, i thought russian disdain is usually a lot colder, refined. sort of like nabokov talking about what make lolita appealing to the american public.
mircea_popescu: anger's from the blood. what he's got, it's definitely bile.
mircea_popescu: lol check that out alf, FUCKGOATS reselling as collector itamz lel
danielpbarron: :D
phf: if you visit mit's open courseware, first link is on "Gender & Media: Collaborations in Feminism and Technology"
phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !~google costin d nenitescu, chimie anorganica
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Chimie generala nenitescu - Cumpara cu incredere de pe Okazii.ro.: <https://www.okazii.ro/cautare/chimie%2Bgenerala%2Bnenitescu.html>; Costin D . Nenițescu - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costin_D._Neni%25C8%259Bescu>; Costin D . Nenitescu - Chimie anorganica - manual pentru licee de ...: <http://www.elefant.ro/carti/carti/chimie-anorganica-manual-pentru-licee-de-speciali
mircea_popescu: ^ best ever.
mircea_popescu: prolly saw 20 editions
mod6: evenin'
mircea_popescu: yo
mod6: how goes?
mircea_popescu: not bad! hutin' elusive snails.
mod6: aha nice!
mod6: they're out there.
mircea_popescu: #lisp is more fucken dead than #bitcoin-otc ffs.
mod6: lol
mod6: we're creapin up on 450`000 blocks.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: "Mircea has got 8.000m ECu worth of remarkable eps" << go me.
mircea_popescu: you're like a good luck charm mod6
mod6: haha, nice!
mod6: that is a LOT of eps, Sir.
mircea_popescu: for srs
mod6: btw, i wanted to note that hanbot v. random .ar derp would have been an awesome battle to watch.
mod6: why would any one care who feeds what to a street-cat?
shinohai: /me waves to mod6 o/
mircea_popescu: it's a woman thing.
mod6: hai shinohai
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i ~did~ wonder what he wanted with that crate.
asciilifeform: neato danielpbarron .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605492 << as (perhaps folx suspected) -- 'meat' is not necessarily to eat. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-20 00:04 mircea_popescu: you knwo you should eat some bread and vegetables on occasion
mircea_popescu: even so. some fruit, something.
mircea_popescu: and in vintage cuckolding, https://68.media.tumblr.com/1a363d9ea948bb00e8f8b10531568c6e/tumblr_ojzd0zg6NO1tju1f4o1_1280.jpg
mod6: i just had this impression that alf was on atkins or something
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: which one is that one ? no pasta ? all pasta ?
mod6: all meat, no carbs type thing.
mircea_popescu: wait you mean to tell me the keto dorks "reinvented" a fad diet from the 60s ?
asciilifeform: 'meat' in asciilifeform's shorthand is simply any nonmaskable interrupt from meatspace.
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk, and i thought it was so original
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, it's literally roast beast, can't fool us.
asciilifeform: can be!
mod6: i was at the deli the other day, buying up all the meats... and just remembering, and getting even pissed about the thought of some asswads substituting soy in for fat.
asciilifeform: eq
asciilifeform: ew
mircea_popescu: this is a thing ?!
asciilifeform: what next? solidol ?
mod6: we talked about how some this happened once upon a time in a socialist hell hole.
mod6: i'd get medieval on someone if they did that to my salami
mod6: don't fuck with a guys meat.
mircea_popescu: a yeah
phf: sometime in the early 2000s my family basically lived on what we called wolf diet. small bits and pieces, like nuts and fruit for two three days, but then once in three or four days we'd cook a giant steak or roastbeef or such. there was no reason for it, just sort of gravitated towards..
phf: also the sbcl os patch, applies cleanly against sbcl_0_9_14, but is missing the forth bootstrap that nyef's talking about
asciilifeform: that'd be problem.
phf: indeed
asciilifeform: (why did he need a whole forth?! why not just a few 100 ln of asm)
mircea_popescu: yesterday was a 2 gallon pot of bolognese with smoked mozarella. today was 7 sushi rolls. this isn't counting the pastries, cookies, cocktails etc.
asciilifeform implodes.
mircea_popescu household goes through >100k calories / week and all the girls are dieting.
mod6: omg. i bet the bolognese is awesome.
phf: girl couldn't figure out how i can eat so much (now) and not gain any weight was a mystery. few weeks ago a lightbulb "ooooh, it all goes to thinking!"
asciilifeform: phf: i've spent last hr or so reading cmucl code, more or less at random, and am struck by the sheer proportion of scar tissue
asciilifeform: (things that are there to work around $bug, which in turn stems from workaround of $bug2, etc)
mircea_popescu: oya
asciilifeform: makes trb look good.
mircea_popescu: phf enjoy it while it lasts bub, i had the same thing in my 20s/early 30s
asciilifeform: now, it isn't as if i had a better cltron to offer.
mod6: oh, yeah. almost forgot... having the feather stems in the pillows is the worst. i refuse to use them for that reason. nothing worse than those things poking you in the face.
asciilifeform: also the thing is chock-full of os-specific conditionals
phf: asciilifeform: i wonder how much of scar was removed in sbcl. i know while newman was still hacking, he removed a lot of gunk. i vaguely suspect that cmucl can't be improved without tackling the bootstrapping problem, which is probably going to look very similar to sbcl's solution
asciilifeform: lol holyshit sbcl is still on soresforge?!!!
mod6: is there any big hang-ups about chicken scheme?
asciilifeform: the c?
asciilifeform: gotta ditch gcc.
asciilifeform: given as it only runs on unixlikes. (and is a massive pig)
mod6: well, yeah, but arn't all scheme interpreters built with C?
asciilifeform: not, e.g., 'dream'
phf: no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48
asciilifeform: and conceivably one could hand-compile tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: (ideally scheme-on-iron would be a very few kb of heavily-massaged asm)
mod6: that'd be neat
asciilifeform: mod6: likewise, there are cltrons (e.g., sbcl) that -- at least in theory -- can compile selves to x86
mod6: 'cl' is like 'lisp' formal right?
asciilifeform: common lisp specifically
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: (there are many different lisps, starting from the 1958 one)
mod6: <+phf> no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48 << with these, which one is more preferred? or why choose one over the other?
phf: there's a lineage of lisp, which is significantly mutually compatible. LISP, maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp. common lisp is a standardization attempt on top of those. for example if you take eliza code (written for LISP 1.5) you can make it run on common lisp without any transformations (need to provide some missing forms though)
phf: this is not really the case with scheme, T, clojure, etc.
asciilifeform: ftr phf is the one and only serious lisp d00d i ever ran across who capitalized.
mod6: capitalized in the sense that most lispers live in the park in san fransisco?
asciilifeform: nono
phf: kek
asciilifeform: capitalized LISP
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: phf: to be fair, the main (other than lisp1-ness) semantic diff b/w scheme and lisp1.5 was static scope. which made its way into cl.
asciilifeform: (which, to nitpick, has selectable scope. but defaults to static)
mod6: what's the meaning there, is LISP the "proper" lisp for an actual lisp machine?
asciilifeform: mod6: nah
phf: well, i think, if you're trying to communicate clearly, LISP means thing that mccarthy wrote, and then spinoffs of that, LISP 1.5, 1.6
asciilifeform: mod6: it was from early literature, and from dark ages machines with no shift key. and so folx who learn of the existence of lisp from encyclopaedia in school, tend to LISP
phf: then you have a version of LISP for project mac called MACLISP, also capitalized. but it shares so much with LISP that you can call it LISP too
mod6: ahh
mod6: what is the general feeling of 'common lisp' within the republic?
phf: these days when you say "lisp" you usually either mean an equivalent of "algol" or "common lisp" specifically
mod6: (i ask all of the questions because im simply curious, and it seems to be such a broad range of different dialects, if that's even a way to put it)
asciilifeform: mod6: i have nfi what 'general feeling' would mean, there is no homogeneous writhing mass here
asciilifeform: but you can ask specific people.
asciilifeform: to asciilifeform commonlisp is rather like i imagine an old, nagging wife is for old man
asciilifeform: defective in all kinds of ways but it isn't as if another is to be had.
mod6: hmm. ok.
asciilifeform: (nor does the old far necessarily deserve anything else)
asciilifeform: *fart
asciilifeform: mod6: scheme is neat on paper (~50 pg. exhaustive spec! at least before the poetterings got to it in rev. 6) but you will find that it is ~impossible to program in the language that appears in that document
asciilifeform: without megatonne of 'libraries' that make the overall mass of the system quickly approach and exceed that of cl
phf: scheme48 comes closets to sane lisp imo, it was written on a lisp machine, and comes with a lot of very sane batteries (the library is clearly inspired by cl)
mod6: would it be a worthy project for someone to start to write some essential libs for tinyscheme?
asciilifeform: mod6: theoretically. but, as phf observed earlier in this thread, certain entirely necessary things are impractical to retrofit to it (e.g., bignum)
mod6: i did see that. and yah, that sucks. for lack of a better way to put it.
phf: if you take any of the canonical bignum-in-lisp implementations and port them to tinyscheme, multiplication of one 5 digit number by another 5 digit number takes ~seconds~. optimization is left as an exercise. i suspect some of the routines can be implemented as opcodes.. you could also take that numeric thing asciilifeform extracted out of gnupg and bolt it to tinyscheme as a PoC
mod6: would that alone be worth experimenting with, just to see how expensive it really would be?
asciilifeform: phf: you could, but it would be terrible
asciilifeform: megaturd of c crapolade.
asciilifeform: mod6: i can't speak for others, but i specifically am interested in a ~0-c~ box.
phf: mod6: i did a poc while experimenting with http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank, but i only gotten as far as addition and multiplication. i think taking a stab at writing a canonical bignum-in-scheme is a good idea
asciilifeform: so, if it's an x86 box, this means that no opcode executes on it, from cradle to grave, that didn't come out of (hypothetical) compiler with mandatory bounds/type checks.
mircea_popescu: mod6 there';s a bot you can fuck around with if you wanna try it out.
mircea_popescu: very far from any sort of anything.
mod6: yeah, i saw some of that. neat stuff.
asciilifeform: phf: scheme48 1.9.2 is >300,000 line of c!
mod6: phf: yeah, might be a worthwhile project.
asciilifeform: or hm
asciilifeform: 100K
asciilifeform: 100k ln.
mircea_popescu: phf the problem with the bolt-ons being that why are you bolting on, use the language of the boltons instead.
mod6: these automated tests could use some serious cleanup and refactoring -- they work fine, just not very pretty, etc.
mod6: but I'm so glad I wrote these.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8844F6A2F2BDAC790E9EB53B7E7D7FFDC1BBFB176B97D45FB6C6810C18D16D63 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...7823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8844F6A2F2BDAC790E9EB53B7E7D7FFDC1BBFB176B97D45FB6C6810C18D16D63 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1530...0617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
mircea_popescu: word.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":449062} | Current Difficulty: 3.36899932795E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 449567 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 893.3, vol: 10688.44298373 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 875.0, vol: 5522.72558 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 891.0, vol: 13106.35779268 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 885.889845, vol: 330382.74660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 889.969, vol: 2631.19989002 | Volume-weighted last average: 886.156920849
asciilifeform: re earlier thread, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/ << somewhat interesting
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D92D1EBA96C53A4CD671F26365FD301486A673DDD585ED6948931517172DC23B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1495...9719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D92D1EBA96C53A4CD671F26365FD301486A673DDD585ED6948931517172DC23B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...8499 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1C6252D24CDADAC9976AEF2FEFC9490EEB278F7AD893D5B6BE9B5AED372D53C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...1167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ool-4b7fa373.static.optonline.net. US NY)
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davout: morning lords and lordettes
BingoBoingo: Good morning davout
davout waves
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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3D22F1B6991EB15F3CDDF2D457D8FB89BA28F41F4BAFA6FB7781152B2ABB93C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1782...7483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ID JT)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605500 << i've heard good things about zumdahl, but haven't vetted myself ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-20 00:37 phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WZ1oP/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, (global-crossing-argentina-s-a.xe-0-1-0.ar3.eze1.gblx.net) is currently losing about half my traffic
mircea_popescu: can't fucking ping my own fucking servers. IDIOTS.
mircea_popescu: and on the other side of idiot isle, theguardian (NOT A FAKE NEWS! NOT A FOREIGN INFLUENCE AGENT!) is doing about 50% of the official coverage ; quotes soros (NOT A US-CONVICTED FUGITIVE!) and harps about how in 2015 trump might have hired actors to clap.
mircea_popescu: because somehow the astroturf "democratic" groundswell failed to materialize. but it's all ok.
mircea_popescu: in other postapocalyptica, this is how the "civilised world" looks nowadays : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ngov8WgAA6ctd.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally they use buses
asciilifeform: and it happens on just about any occasion with mass pedestrian traffic on road
asciilifeform: (protest derpery, etc)
mircea_popescu: i come from a world where people smoked cigars on planes.
asciilifeform: i bet soros is smoking 4 cigars , through converter, on a mig right nao.
mircea_popescu: i bet soros thinks it's a good day if he manages to shit on his own power, today.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "i've been an activist all my life" womenz of unchristian first names movement (WUFNM) flailings are getting pretty unreadable.
mircea_popescu: (the official line btw is that "the polls weren't off by much, because clinton got 2% of popular vote vs 4-5% predicted". supposedly incredible ineptitude on an unseen-before scale is to be pivoted into "we're still right, smart and the icons of humanity ; the electoral system is rigged" and this'll somehow fly because the democrat voting bloc doesn't form memories for longer than half a week and nobody else properly speaking
mircea_popescu: exists)
mod6: mornin'
davout: mod6: ohai!
mod6: hai davout. how goes?
davout: pretty good! my trb node is synced around october 2015
davout: kinda tempted to get a proper SSD to give it a decent home
mod6: sweet.
mod6: nice work!
shinohai: Nice davout
mod6: i'm making some good progress on my V changes this week. hopefully won't be too long be for I can help you out with any wallet related things you might be doing on trb.
mircea_popescu: cool
davout: awsum
trinque: davout: that SSD would probably arrive by rowboat faster than you'll sync on platters
mircea_popescu: yeah seek times are ak iller.
davout: trinque: not on my box, on the servers i rent
asciilifeform: herr tritler in 3, 2, 1...
asciilifeform: pretty strange, the official camera blurred out the nametags of the guards
asciilifeform: 'blacklivesmatter shuts down entrance to inauguration'
mircea_popescu: where's occupywallstreet btw ?
mircea_popescu: or nobody is supposed to have face recognition software outside teh alphabet ?
asciilifeform: in /dev/null since 2011 or so
mircea_popescu: yaya.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/skSk9 << 'protest'
mircea_popescu: in the lol of the day, "Trump, who's accustomed to completing projects "on time and under budget," will try to bring an unfamiliar business discipline to the nation's capital. He may find that Washington is not as nimble or responsive to orders from the chief executive as his family-run business" (npr)
mircea_popescu: actually he may find that the district of niggers makes a point of pride out of their ignorance & lazyness, and equate these with democracy and their dismantling with you know, racism, rape, etcetera.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: has to be said.
mircea_popescu: lmao such color revolution.
trinque: dat clinton sneer. I hope there are many butthurt shots today.
shinohai: The Michelle Obama sneer was hilarious as well
mircea_popescu: is butthurt.org taken ? could make a decent gallery
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it notable how ~none of these fail to share both factors ?
asciilifeform: debian
mircea_popescu: it's as if the software never actually fails ; but it's always deliberately subverted
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: lol mr t must have toothache or sumthing
trinque: seen the current south park season? that's his stank face
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu if a prime q is found and m/q == p, and p is prime, p is listed as factor.
asciilifeform: 5...4...3...
asciilifeform: liftoff.
asciilifeform: '...washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth... the factories closed... the establishment protected itself...'
davout: in the meantime the indiancandy chick is apparently trying to recruit paypigs on twitter, doesn't seem to be working out that well
asciilifeform: davout: what's a paypig
asciilifeform: !!up Alicia1992
deedbot: Alicia1992 voiced for 30 minutes.
Alicia1992: Somebody would excange bitcoin?
jurov: Alicia1992 I do, see: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/389150/purchase-bitcoin-transferwise
davout: asciilifeform: "In the realm of BDSM, a paypig is a submissive, almost always male, who has consented to financial servitude towards his Mistress. Term used in a derogatory/humiliating light, usually by Mistresses."
davout: as defined by urban dictionary
davout: do you guys see me part and join the chan? looks like my bouncer or my client is losing some messages
Alicia1992: Someone would take bet in btc ?
danielpbarron: what's the bet?
Alicia1992: Tell me what you want
Alicia1992: I'll give you an odd
trinque: o,0
trinque: Alicia1992: generally someone proposes a bet eh? not "anyone bet me anything".
jurov: Alicia1992: have you seen http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?
jurov: can i bet on your boobs?
Alicia1992: thx but no thx
davout: Alicia1992: who are you anyway?
danielpbarron: Alicia1992, well get a RSA key first of all
Alicia1992: ?
danielpbarron: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
trinque: this is out of order anyway.
trinque: Alicia1992: who are you
Framedragger: yes mebbe #bitcoin-otc is a better place; if only it weren't dead...
Alicia1992: ok
mircea_popescu: davout nope.
mircea_popescu: secret bot ?
davout: my bouncer logs are fine, looks like it's my client that's retarded
jurov: some forgotten ignores?
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/euCva << 'The DC Human Rights Act makes it illegal to discriminate against more groups than are protected under federal law. Protected classes in Washington include not only race, religion and sex, but political affiliation as well. “Right off the bat people are asking if we deny the so-called 'alt-right,' and they are held out to be Trump supporters, are we denying based on political affiliation?” Rome said. H
asciilifeform: e assured restaurant owners that they would be well within their rights to “choose not to serve neo-Nazis” or the racist “alt-right” group that seeks a white-only state because they are not political parties with registered voters.'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: aqhaha
mircea_popescu: "that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will"
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: "human rights" was it. totally not establishmenting anti-dissent mechanism.
asciilifeform: btw phf ? a111 down ?
asciilifeform: can't help but think of http://trilema.com/2016/xkcd
mircea_popescu: aha.
shinohai: Yeah poor indiancandy seems to have a hard time all around. Few paypigs knocking and she won't do penetration with toys, so .....
asciilifeform: tear gas, burning car(s), in washington
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how's dat black hole sun
asciilifeform: '1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.'
asciilifeform: much moar interestingly, https://archive.is/Ut2ya >> 'A former Notre Dame College student photographer who stole 656 pair of women's underwear from fellow students, including athletes he photographed, was sentenced to spend 10 days in Cuyahoga County Jail.'
shinohai: lel
thestringpuller: is there any live TRB node that isn't blackholed right nao?!?
shinohai: "Defendent immediately asked to work in the Prison Laundry"
thestringpuller: mod6 et. al
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: zoolag
mircea_popescu: o look a111 died ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#277 << minutesmatter!
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-20: [18:31:14] <asciilifeform> '1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.'
Framedragger: (doing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596266 is possible btw, if it's worth the effort?) ☝︎
Framedragger: (http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170104/#249)
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-04: [13:15:14] <Framedragger> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588758 << doable, but also easy to mess up.
trinque: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603680 << my thoughts on ^ ☝︎
trinque: not that I vigorously oppose it or anything
Framedragger: trinque: ya fair 'nuff, freenode is not good with being stateful, or any-ful really
trinque: but as a general principle when the underlying thing is broken, it is a sin to let something above collect hair to "fix" it
mircea_popescu: Framedragger implement a commandable switch ? that way you can turn it on/off as needed
Framedragger: scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part
mircea_popescu: really not worth doing ai for this.
mircea_popescu: !$readlinks as a toggle is good enough
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: guess so. in which case that switch should be operatable by someone else as well (as i can do this myself easily already, but yes presently requires restart, and yes read-eval loop would be nice etc)
trinque: manual switch would be the sane approach indeed
mircea_popescu: phf can implement it in a111 when he comes back also and problem solved.
Framedragger: a switch which can be operated by bot operator + l1 makes sense, then? (note, to avoid the whole "don't trust freenode to keep stateful maps", it'd have to do the challenge-response thing, which would be fun to do anyway on my part)
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it has to be challenge-based, but sure, if you want to do it that way have fun
Framedragger: (i won't restart bot to manually enable btcbase quoatation right now as i may go afk soon, and when a111 comes back it'll be hell.)
mircea_popescu: of course iirc the discussion last time was that "let each bot read HIS OWN logs"
Framedragger: yah.
mircea_popescu: which still is the actually sane approach, people aren't happy with silent bot can use the other reference.
Framedragger: yes i can see that hm.
Framedragger: a bit uneasy / flimsy-flamsy of a feeling
mircea_popescu: why ?
Framedragger: i mean, making bots read each other's reference seems like an ad-hoc solution, just that.
mircea_popescu: i just said read his own lol.
Framedragger: my mind read buffer's lagging :)
mircea_popescu: if i say http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170104/#249 then scriba reads, if i say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603680 then a111 reads, if present\ ☝︎
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-04: [13:15:14] <Framedragger> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1588758 << doable, but also easy to mess up.
Framedragger: and if not present?
mircea_popescu: that's how it works nao and i really dun see it needs fixing ; but if you want to implement a challenge-response thing you can still do that, for your own rounding as it were
mircea_popescu: and if not present silence.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces anyone to use one reference system in preference of the other, neh ? use whichever has bot live if you're interested in readout.
Framedragger: true.
Framedragger: yes, makes sense to me
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you wanna tinker with log, there's a list of things
mircea_popescu: at least i think i put them in teh log at some point, i forget
Framedragger: ack, and am aware :) (crawled all btcbase logs since beginning, to be ingested into db when logs migrate to db, which i think i should do at some point)
Framedragger: yes you did, and rather clearly iirc
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170108/#664
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-08: [15:22:41] <mircea_popescu> ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the "<name> " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice.
mircea_popescu: ah and there is of course also adding search, if you want a large bite :D
Framedragger: yeah :D yah my plan was to use postgres full text search (even though it may be overkill as phf once said), but it's just not high priority in my list. but i'd like to do it
mircea_popescu: aite.
Framedragger: (overkill if you say don't need the log-internal line reference thing in btcbase)
mircea_popescu: the who ?
Framedragger: i guess it's a decent band.
mircea_popescu: lol
Framedragger: the xref thing as phf calls them. when one log line references another, and btcbase adds hyperlinks to jump between the references
mircea_popescu: ah ah. i dunno, i never used one, but if you feel like it go right ahead.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/aU43f << in other lelz
asciilifeform: 'Flights full of women are marking their way to Washington, D.C. for the Women's March on Washington. On social media Friday, many people tweeted photos of airplanes predominantly filled with women on their way to D.C. The Women's March, which was planned to demonstrate solidarity following the election of Donald Trump, will take place on Saturday in D.C., and sister marches are planned for all 50 states and in 32 countries around t
asciilifeform: he world.'
mircea_popescu: hurr.
mircea_popescu: i guess ima write an oped for qntra, this is a little sad.
thestringpuller: Framedragger: You're the first person I know who is meh about The Who. Either people hate them or love them. Kinda like the eagles...well not at all like the eagles.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605355 << mine's a zillion blocks behind ☝︎
asciilifeform: zoolag is current and working
asciilifeform: (dulap -- blackholed for almost a day now)
shinohai: I'm @ 354345
asciilifeform: 449185
ben_vulpes: 449086
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, i'm watching these two crows hassling a raptor out over the river
trinque: deedbot's up to date, 449185 per website, probably ahead of that now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9QN3J/?raw=true
phf: i apologize for the bot, not sure what's going on (i guess i'm overdue for a crash) and i won't have access to machine for another four hours or so :/
phf: Framedragger: instead of crawling the logs it's much easier to just ask me for the textual dump that i use for storage (it's the same format as what kako used)
mircea_popescu: yeah iirc there was a backup interface. in any case should be standard in logotrons
phf: yeah, the folder where logs are stored are exposed to public, i don't remember what the url is though, i'll have to check later
phf: there's also a hidden endpoint that somebody asked for (shinohai?) that lets you download log lines in kako format since some timestamp
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: anyway, dun worry about it, we're reinforced against this specific problem
phf: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#295 << i can also just expose a heartbeat endpoint (or even a udp port) that scriba can check at interval. can also have a heartbeat pm. a111 gets a PING message from scriba, responds with PONG
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-20: [19:06:43] <Framedragger> scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part
mircea_popescu: what'd that do ?
mircea_popescu: other than saddle both of you with maintaining a hb model ?
phf: well if the goal is to get bots to do something automatically, then we can have explicit, message based coordination model (eggdrop used messages and DCC to coordinate for example) no reason to "trust freenode". i prefer the lords explicitly switch the knobs approach though
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, be lazy here and work hard somewhere else.
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/how-are-people-using-bitcoin/ << Daniel P. Barron - How are people using Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: im kind-of surprised they haven't yet come to the obvious sensible thing that is the silver dildo.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, silver is bactericide. for the other thing, there's a very satisfying weight. for the third thing ~you keep it clean~. gives cunt a sense of purpose and accomplishment. for the other thing, it correlates sizew with worth in a very strong relationship on a very human-convenient curve.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck easier to work than pyrex, and altogether better in all respects.
danielpbarron: doesn't silver tarnish?
mircea_popescu: ~you keep it clean~
mircea_popescu: (can have it sterling etc, so it doesn't tarnish. but srsly, work that rod girl!)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron julia t looks great next to you thar.
danielpbarron: oh?
mircea_popescu: gotta say also the most sideways erection i ever saw. you got a homing head or what
danielpbarron: psh
trinque: lol
trinque: so I google her, find this http://www.wikifeet.com/Julia_Tourianski
trinque: what the fuck people
shinohai: dafuq fr?
shinohai: didn't thestringpuller tell me she was a perv?
trinque: I mean it's not even a good foot pic
mats: lel
mircea_popescu: you know, women having feet isn't perverse.
shinohai: to have your feet only in a relatively obscure wiki post
shinohai: and no where elese
mircea_popescu: insufficient foot publicity ?
trinque jokes too subtle sometimes
trinque: I expect moar from a fetish wiki!
mircea_popescu: what's with the hens and where are the feet ?!
mats: trinque: what does a 'good' foot pic look like
trinque: hell I dunno man, but I'm sure it's not off in the shadows to the side
trinque: https://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/envy.jpg << by that logic this is a fat fetish pic
ben_vulpes: more vaseline on the lens, and focal point closer to the lens at the very least. ideally some vignetting and maybe a bottle of hairspray in the background?
mats: resident foot fetishists invited to share jpgs
trinque: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0roefSIjONM/VuAFk1fyE4I/AAAAAAAAT3g/L7cjKrRkRwk/s320/foot-fetish-781439.jpg << I can't tell if this one is fetish for feet or accountants
mircea_popescu: more disturbingly, the rightmost pair looks ~12.
mircea_popescu: and what is with all these peasant feet anyway. they don't have heels where these women live ?
mircea_popescu: (in other foot feetish, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/57/b0/01/57b0015ad31891623223dd5baa7dd010.jpg )
mircea_popescu: anyway. adult woman has specific talipes equinus variant, none of this "i grew up on farm and walked around barefoot on mud whole life" uma thurman style feet.
ben_vulpes: augh
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ben_vulpes: that photo
mircea_popescu: a a
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/il-burbero/ << Trilema - Il Burbero