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mircea_popescu: you knwo you should eat some bread and vegetables on occasion
☟︎ phf: all that meat's what making you so angry
phf: hmm, i thought russian disdain is usually a lot colder, refined. sort of like nabokov talking about what make lolita appealing to the american public.
mircea_popescu: anger's from the blood. what he's got, it's definitely bile.
mircea_popescu: lol check that out alf, FUCKGOATS reselling as collector itamz lel
phf: if you visit mit's open courseware, first link is on "Gender & Media: Collaborations in Feminism and Technology"
phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry)
☟︎ mod6: we're creapin up on 450`000 blocks.
mircea_popescu: "Mircea has got 8.000m ECu worth of remarkable eps" << go me.
mod6: that is a LOT of eps, Sir.
mod6: btw, i wanted to note that hanbot v. random .ar derp would have been an awesome battle to watch.
mod6: why would any one care who feeds what to a street-cat?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-20 00:04 mircea_popescu: you knwo you should eat some bread and vegetables on occasion
mod6: i just had this impression that alf was on atkins or something
mod6: all meat, no carbs type thing.
mircea_popescu: wait you mean to tell me the keto dorks "reinvented" a fad diet from the 60s ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, it's literally roast beast, can't fool us.
mod6: i was at the deli the other day, buying up all the meats... and just remembering, and getting even pissed about the thought of some asswads substituting soy in for fat.
mod6: we talked about how some this happened once upon a time in a socialist hell hole.
mod6: i'd get medieval on someone if they did that to my salami
mod6: don't fuck with a guys meat.
phf: sometime in the early 2000s my family basically lived on what we called wolf diet. small bits and pieces, like nuts and fruit for two three days, but then once in three or four days we'd cook a giant steak or roastbeef or such. there was no reason for it, just sort of gravitated towards..
phf: also the sbcl os patch, applies cleanly against sbcl_0_9_14, but is missing the forth bootstrap that nyef's talking about
mircea_popescu: yesterday was a 2 gallon pot of bolognese with smoked mozarella. today was 7 sushi rolls. this isn't counting the pastries, cookies, cocktails etc.
mircea_popescu household goes through >100k calories / week and all the girls are dieting.
mod6: omg. i bet the bolognese is awesome.
phf: girl couldn't figure out how i can eat so much (now) and not gain any weight was a mystery. few weeks ago a lightbulb "ooooh, it all goes to thinking!"
mircea_popescu: phf enjoy it while it lasts bub, i had the same thing in my 20s/early 30s
mod6: oh, yeah. almost forgot... having the feather stems in the pillows is the worst. i refuse to use them for that reason. nothing worse than those things poking you in the face.
phf: asciilifeform: i wonder how much of scar was removed in sbcl. i know while newman was still hacking, he removed a lot of gunk. i vaguely suspect that cmucl can't be improved without tackling the bootstrapping problem, which is probably going to look very similar to sbcl's solution
mod6: is there any big hang-ups about chicken scheme?
mod6: well, yeah, but arn't all scheme interpreters built with C?
phf: no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48
mod6: 'cl' is like 'lisp' formal right?
mod6: <+phf> no in scheme land you have mit scheme and scheme48 << with these, which one is more preferred? or why choose one over the other?
phf: there's a lineage of lisp, which is significantly mutually compatible. LISP, maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp. common lisp is a standardization attempt on top of those. for example if you take eliza code (written for LISP 1.5) you can make it run on common lisp without any transformations (need to provide some missing forms though)
phf: this is not really the case with scheme, T, clojure, etc.
mod6: capitalized in the sense that most lispers live in the park in san fransisco?
mod6: what's the meaning there, is LISP the "proper" lisp for an actual lisp machine?
phf: well, i think, if you're trying to communicate clearly, LISP means thing that mccarthy wrote, and then spinoffs of that, LISP 1.5, 1.6
phf: then you have a version of LISP for project mac called MACLISP, also capitalized. but it shares so much with LISP that you can call it LISP too
mod6: what is the general feeling of 'common lisp' within the republic?
phf: these days when you say "lisp" you usually either mean an equivalent of "algol" or "common lisp" specifically
mod6: (i ask all of the questions because im simply curious, and it seems to be such a broad range of different dialects, if that's even a way to put it)
phf: scheme48 comes closets to sane lisp imo, it was written on a lisp machine, and comes with a lot of very sane batteries (the library is clearly inspired by cl)
mod6: would it be a worthy project for someone to start to write some essential libs for tinyscheme?
mod6: i did see that. and yah, that sucks. for lack of a better way to put it.
phf: if you take any of the canonical bignum-in-lisp implementations and port them to tinyscheme, multiplication of one 5 digit number by another 5 digit number takes ~seconds~. optimization is left as an exercise. i suspect some of the routines can be implemented as opcodes.. you could also take that numeric thing asciilifeform extracted out of gnupg and bolt it to tinyscheme as a PoC
mod6: would that alone be worth experimenting with, just to see how expensive it really would be?
mircea_popescu: mod6 there';s a bot you can fuck around with if you wanna try it out.
mod6: yeah, i saw some of that. neat stuff.
mod6: phf: yeah, might be a worthwhile project.
mircea_popescu: phf the problem with the bolt-ons being that why are you bolting on, use the language of the boltons instead.
mod6: these automated tests could use some serious cleanup and refactoring -- they work fine, just not very pretty, etc.
mod6: but I'm so glad I wrote these.
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davout: morning lords and lordettes
a111: Logged on 2017-01-20 00:37 phf: which brings me to my question, what's a good book on inorganic chemistry (or general chemistry)
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, 208.178.195.210 (global-crossing-argentina-s-a.xe-0-1-0.ar3.eze1.gblx.net) is currently losing about half my traffic
mircea_popescu: and on the other side of idiot isle, theguardian (NOT A FAKE NEWS! NOT A FOREIGN INFLUENCE AGENT!) is doing about 50% of the official coverage ; quotes soros (NOT A US-CONVICTED FUGITIVE!) and harps about how in 2015 trump might have hired actors to clap.
mircea_popescu: because somehow the astroturf "democratic" groundswell failed to materialize. but it's all ok.
mircea_popescu: i come from a world where people smoked cigars on planes.
mircea_popescu: i bet soros thinks it's a good day if he manages to shit on his own power, today.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "i've been an activist all my life" womenz of unchristian first names movement (WUFNM) flailings are getting pretty unreadable.
mircea_popescu: (the official line btw is that "the polls weren't off by much, because clinton got 2% of popular vote vs 4-5% predicted". supposedly incredible ineptitude on an unseen-before scale is to be pivoted into "we're still right, smart and the icons of humanity ; the electoral system is rigged" and this'll somehow fly because the democrat voting bloc doesn't form memories for longer than half a week and nobody else properly speaking
mod6: hai davout. how goes?
davout: pretty good! my trb node is synced around october 2015
davout: kinda tempted to get a proper SSD to give it a decent home
mod6: i'm making some good progress on my V changes this week. hopefully won't be too long be for I can help you out with any wallet related things you might be doing on trb.
trinque: davout: that SSD would probably arrive by rowboat faster than you'll sync on platters
davout: trinque: not on my box, on the servers i rent
mircea_popescu: or nobody is supposed to have face recognition software outside teh alphabet ?
mircea_popescu: in the lol of the day, "Trump, who's accustomed to completing projects "on time and under budget," will try to bring an unfamiliar business discipline to the nation's capital. He may find that Washington is not as nimble or responsive to orders from the chief executive as his family-run business" (npr)
mircea_popescu: actually he may find that the district of niggers makes a point of pride out of their ignorance & lazyness, and equate these with democracy and their dismantling with you know, racism, rape, etcetera.
trinque: dat clinton sneer. I hope there are many butthurt shots today.
shinohai: The Michelle Obama sneer was hilarious as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it notable how ~none of these fail to share both factors ?
mircea_popescu: it's as if the software never actually fails ; but it's always deliberately subverted
trinque: seen the current south park season? that's his stank face
davout: in the meantime the indiancandy chick is apparently trying to recruit paypigs on twitter, doesn't seem to be working out that well
deedbot: Alicia1992 voiced for 30 minutes.
davout: asciilifeform: "In the realm of BDSM, a paypig is a submissive, almost always male, who has consented to financial servitude towards his Mistress. Term used in a derogatory/humiliating light, usually by Mistresses."
davout: as defined by urban dictionary
davout: do you guys see me part and join the chan? looks like my bouncer or my client is losing some messages
trinque: Alicia1992: generally someone proposes a bet eh? not "anyone bet me anything".
jurov: can i bet on your boobs?
davout: Alicia1992: who are you anyway?
trinque: this is out of order anyway.
Framedragger: yes mebbe #bitcoin-otc is a better place; if only it weren't dead...
davout: my bouncer logs are fine, looks like it's my client that's retarded
jurov: some forgotten ignores?
mircea_popescu: "that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will"
mircea_popescu: "human rights" was it. totally not establishmenting anti-dissent mechanism.
shinohai: Yeah poor indiancandy seems to have a hard time all around. Few paypigs knocking and she won't do penetration with toys, so .....
thestringpuller: is there any live TRB node that isn't blackholed right nao?!?
shinohai: "Defendent immediately asked to work in the Prison Laundry"
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-20: [18:31:14] <asciilifeform> '1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.'
trinque: not that I vigorously oppose it or anything
Framedragger: trinque: ya fair 'nuff, freenode is not good with being stateful, or any-ful really
trinque: but as a general principle when the underlying thing is broken, it is a sin to let something above collect hair to "fix" it
mircea_popescu: Framedragger implement a commandable switch ? that way you can turn it on/off as needed
Framedragger: scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: guess so. in which case that switch should be operatable by someone else as well (as i can do this myself easily already, but yes presently requires restart, and yes read-eval loop would be nice etc)
trinque: manual switch would be the sane approach indeed
mircea_popescu: phf can implement it in a111 when he comes back also and problem solved.
Framedragger: a switch which can be operated by bot operator + l1 makes sense, then? (note, to avoid the whole "don't trust freenode to keep stateful maps", it'd have to do the challenge-response thing, which would be fun to do anyway on my part)
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it has to be challenge-based, but sure, if you want to do it that way have fun
Framedragger: (i won't restart bot to manually enable btcbase quoatation right now as i may go afk soon, and when a111 comes back it'll be hell.)
mircea_popescu: of course iirc the discussion last time was that "let each bot read HIS OWN logs"
mircea_popescu: which still is the actually sane approach, people aren't happy with silent bot can use the other reference.
Framedragger: i mean, making bots read each other's reference seems like an ad-hoc solution, just that.
mircea_popescu: that's how it works nao and i really dun see it needs fixing ; but if you want to implement a challenge-response thing you can still do that, for your own rounding as it were
mircea_popescu: nobody forces anyone to use one reference system in preference of the other, neh ? use whichever has bot live if you're interested in readout.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you wanna tinker with log, there's a list of things
mircea_popescu: at least i think i put them in teh log at some point, i forget
Framedragger: ack, and am aware :) (crawled all btcbase logs since beginning, to be ingested into db when logs migrate to db, which i think i should do at some point)
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-08: [15:22:41] <mircea_popescu> ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the "<name> " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice.
mircea_popescu: ah and there is of course also adding search, if you want a large bite :D
Framedragger: yeah :D yah my plan was to use postgres full text search (even though it may be overkill as phf once said), but it's just not high priority in my list. but i'd like to do it
Framedragger: (overkill if you say don't need the log-internal line reference thing in btcbase)
Framedragger: the xref thing as phf calls them. when one log line references another, and btcbase adds hyperlinks to jump between the references
mircea_popescu: ah ah. i dunno, i never used one, but if you feel like it go right ahead.
mircea_popescu: i guess ima write an oped for qntra, this is a little sad.
thestringpuller: Framedragger: You're the first person I know who is meh about The Who. Either people hate them or love them. Kinda like the eagles...well not at all like the eagles.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, i'm watching these two crows hassling a raptor out over the river
trinque: deedbot's up to date, 449185 per website, probably ahead of that now
phf: i apologize for the bot, not sure what's going on (i guess i'm overdue for a crash) and i won't have access to machine for another four hours or so :/
phf: Framedragger: instead of crawling the logs it's much easier to just ask me for the textual dump that i use for storage (it's the same format as what kako used)
mircea_popescu: yeah iirc there was a backup interface. in any case should be standard in logotrons
phf: yeah, the folder where logs are stored are exposed to public, i don't remember what the url is though, i'll have to check later
phf: there's also a hidden endpoint that somebody asked for (shinohai?) that lets you download log lines in kako format since some timestamp
mircea_popescu: anyway, dun worry about it, we're reinforced against this specific problem
phf:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170120/#295 << i can also just expose a heartbeat endpoint (or even a udp port) that scriba can check at interval. can also have a heartbeat pm. a111 gets a PING message from scriba, responds with PONG
scriba: Logged on 2017-01-20: [19:06:43] <Framedragger> scriba could track all a111 responses to btcbase urls, and if after $time there's no response, give response of its own. but this is the "easy to make things look horrible" part
mircea_popescu: other than saddle both of you with maintaining a hb model ?
phf: well if the goal is to get bots to do something automatically, then we can have explicit, message based coordination model (eggdrop used messages and DCC to coordinate for example) no reason to "trust freenode". i prefer the lords explicitly switch the knobs approach though
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, be lazy here and work hard somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: im kind-of surprised they haven't yet come to the obvious sensible thing that is the silver dildo.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, silver is bactericide. for the other thing, there's a very satisfying weight. for the third thing ~you keep it clean~. gives cunt a sense of purpose and accomplishment. for the other thing, it correlates sizew with worth in a very strong relationship on a very human-convenient curve.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck easier to work than pyrex, and altogether better in all respects.
mircea_popescu: (can have it sterling etc, so it doesn't tarnish. but srsly, work that rod girl!)
mircea_popescu: gotta say also the most sideways erection i ever saw. you got a homing head or what
shinohai: didn't thestringpuller tell me she was a perv?
trinque: I mean it's not even a good foot pic
shinohai: to have your feet only in a relatively obscure wiki post
trinque: I expect moar from a fetish wiki!
mats: trinque: what does a 'good' foot pic look like
trinque: hell I dunno man, but I'm sure it's not off in the shadows to the side
ben_vulpes: more vaseline on the lens, and focal point closer to the lens at the very least. ideally some vignetting and maybe a bottle of hairspray in the background?
mats: resident foot fetishists invited to share jpgs
mircea_popescu: and what is with all these peasant feet anyway. they don't have heels where these women live ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. adult woman has specific talipes equinus variant, none of this "i grew up on farm and walked around barefoot on mud whole life" uma thurman style feet.