assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00637777 = 25.5111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.651 = 1.953 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.6505 = 9.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.649 = 1.947 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I mean we passed the Mt Gox high, but apparently some exchange Blockchain.info follows had the high price at $35, so I've saving the cigars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.679 = 2.037 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: So, BFL is is Kansas City. Is Josh/Inaba Rock chalk like a Jayhawk or like General Quantrill does e see all of the common sense reasons why Lawrence should burn?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5655 @ 0.00076 = 4.2978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.9988 = 1.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
BitHub: stop sharing my fb profile pic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637777 = 31.8889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.650005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.650005 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 22 @ 0.65000001 = 14.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.649 = 7.788 BTC [-]
BitHub: so this guy is an aussie scammer?
BitHub: i'm joking anyway i dont really do that
BingoBongo: MP, this trolling something awful deal is taking a while. In the interim could you maybe hold a contest for spotting extra chromosones on bitcointalk?
BingoBongo: I've recieved one of your gift certificates. I've got time now though where I am looking at the long troll. Get to the moderator control pnel and make threads disapear like thie twin towers.
Bowjob: so how many people got the ten btc trolling price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
splnkr: i give just enough a damn about the IRC community to actually hang out; can't understand how some see it as the target for misanthropic gratification
splnkr: ther are SOOOOOOO many better targets
splnkr: um, media?govt? fortune 500? stodgy educators?
splnkr: the list is practially endless
splnkr: scuse my spelling at this late hour
BingoBongo: Media's too easy. I've done local and regional papers a few too many times. Government trolls itself. I'm a stodgy educator... What targets are left nao?
BingoBongo: I'm ready to fuck, been ready to fuck, these pants are so tight
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 219 @ 0.0065 = 1.4235 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: So... What's the deal with that Blockchain.info mixer?
BingoBongo: I mean the part where it has been phasing in and out of existence these past couple days.
BingoBongo: Is that some bullshit, or is that some bull shit?
BingoBongo: I'm kind of wondering, where's the BitBets on the first S.BBET passthrough?
Namworld: Which passthrough was the first one?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I don't know that there is an S.BBET passthrough yet.
BingoBongo: You'd think as much as Kumala wants to monetize Virecurex and Crypto::Stocks he would race to set one up.
Namworld: There's one I manage and another on BitFunder
Namworld: I find BitBet overpriced right now tho.
aiball: coinbr.com has bbet for sale
BingoBongo: I don't know. I find it a bit underpriced for all the bets I've bought in on that won't realize till the end of the year...
aiball: definitely a buy and hold if anything
BingoBongo: If you are calling it overpriced Namworld I might finally have to get my shit together and finally register for that MPEX dealio
Namworld: I'm calling the shares as a whole overpriced.
Namworld: 200'000 satoshi a pop. 20 000 BTC valuation.
BingoBongo: I now, that's thy I think they are qorth quite a bit more. Especially since the initial valuation for the whole enterprise was only 100 BTC.
Namworld: They take 1% in fees. Would take 2 million BTC in bets to make a 100% dividend.
Namworld: 0.002 is 200x initial valuation
aiball: has anyone figured out the dividend for bbet this month? I might take a crack at it but just as likely might wait to see the number
BingoBongo: Details, details. There's also the house bets and idiots who bet against any sense.
Namworld: I think it was over-buyed at IPO, people panic buying.
BingoBongo: The BFL bet is going to throw everything for fruit loops
Namworld: now no one buys, no one sells. Almost.
BingoBongo: Right now too many are. There is very little action on most bets.
aiball: how about a major us bank will deploy ripple by 2013
aiball: fuck, that's boring too
aiball: I wanted no, but you're on if I can't think of something better in 30 minutes
aiball: 1 btc, nobody gets hurt
BingoBongo: I have tried. A critical user mass is missing
Bowjob: how about one for avalon too to make it interesting
aiball: because none writing bets reads people magazine. I'm not going to volunteer, but I think that's what is needed here.
aiball: celebrities and kittens get eyeballls.
aiball: I'm heading over to people.com now. then I'll hit up oprah's site
BingoBongo: Pari seems to still lack enough market makers
aiball: Is Tom trying to get custody of his daughter? maybe that's something. I can't believe I'm thinking of investigating this.
aiball: anyone want to take a side on "Tom gets custody of Suri by the End of April? "
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 120 @ 0.25512908 = 30.6155 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I made a bet for avalon on bitbet. lets get this shit rollin
aiball: By the way I'm talking about Tom Cruise. Suri is his daughter. Tom Cruise just divorced his Wife Katie Holmes
aiball: I sending up a 1 btc bet, just giving you insiders a chance to pick a side and I'll take the other.
aiball: I think that would be best for Suri and the other children.
BingoBongo: I just know bit365.eu won't be around long if they keep paying so much for betting against the Astros and Marlins...
BingoBongo: Suri stays with Katie, family law isn't that fucked yet
aiball: I guess that means I'm taking yes.
BingoBongo: I might throw a bitdime on no if it posts
BingoBongo: I imagine it would get too lopsided too fast for real money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.725 = 8.625 BTC [-]
aiball: I'm asking what is a btcdime
Bowjob: you added more stipulatons?
Bowjob: thats the one i submitted, right?
Bowjob: inclined to vote no as a hedge
aiball: I used .5 btc from Tom's basic refund.
aiball: I put it up there, but didn't take a side by mistake. I'll take yes as soon as it's approved. That is unless your comment about court is some way to convince me to take no.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00072 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00620001 = 1.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00620001 = 1.488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1811 @ 0.0062 = 11.2282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4687 @ 0.00610821 = 28.6292 BTC [-]
aiball: why sell s.dice right before the dividend?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.725 BTC [-]
Bowjob: i wanna put no, but theres no yes
ThickAsThieves: would it be unacceptable to say "The next winner of Project Runway will be homosexual"?
ThickAsThieves: so much infiltrating of these peoples lives online probly
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.00641 = 0.1154 BTC [-]
Bowjob: what do you mean by majority ships
Bowjob: because avalon 2's shipping is april 10th
mircea_popescu: majority of batch 1, not majority of all items they will ever produce
ThickAsThieves: i wanna complain that he doesnt really give any dates or schedules, but then again, who ever really lives up to those...
mircea_popescu: well ya but still, things irl happen on some sort of timescale
ThickAsThieves: update essentially says "we're working on it, we;ll get better!"
Bowjob: "Starting from next Monday, units will be en route to their country of destination and tracking numbers will follow maybe 2~3 days after (it is at this point onward which you can expect an email from us with the tracking information), we expect this process to continue to the 10th of March until all the units have been shipped out, if all is well people will get their units in-hand in the middle of March."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.685 BTC [-]
Bowjob: its a matter of shipping..
Bowjob: i havent set the bet yet :P
Bowjob: yifu said christmas came early to them
Bowjob: from winning the huge bfl bet
Bowjob: i guess they bet either 300+ or the 250 bet
Bowjob: umm month, but he's referring to this years xmas
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.08001, Best ask: 34.17002, Bid-ask spread: 0.09001, Last trade: 34.08001, 24 hour volume: 71974.65510805, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.23048
Bowjob: if this rally continues, I'll be able to afford a nice house at the end of the year
Bowjob: then after that perhaps go back to school..
Bowjob: my priorities are backwards.. usually people go to school first
Zillion: mircea has the BFL March 1st bet paid out?
blu3gr1ffon: Zillion: I haven't seen my bet in my wallet yet
blu3gr1ffon: if we are talking about the the bitbet.us one.
Zillion: blu3gr1ffon ok thanks just curious...usually they are fast but this one is big
blu3gr1ffon: anyone getting in on the BTC/USD at Mt.Gox will hit $35 in March 2013 bet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) claimed today that "over 170 million jobs" could be lost due to sequestration. "
splnkr: maxine waters might say extreme stuff sometimes but she's no fool
splnkr: she's among the best Congress has to offer
splnkr: she was the one to bring allegations of CIA crack cocaine trafficking to light in DC
splnkr: that's a pretty big deal in my book
mircea_popescu: she's among the best congress has to offer and that's what she says
splnkr: in politics, sometimes you hyperbolize to make a point
splnkr: that's what you do when you're not lying
mircea_popescu: splnkr ya well, here's the deal : if there actually existed 170mn jobs in the us it wouldn't be in the crapper would it
splnkr: sometimes you take an extreme position to reach a better compromise
splnkr: it's called negotiation
splnkr: but i do see your point in this particular case
splnkr: she maybe meant to say 176K
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2000 @ 0.00641 = 12.82 BTC [-]
splnkr: however I think a lot of us often react to what people say when they're taking extreme positions for negotiation purposes
splnkr: for example an apt. complex i was advising decided to build their own cogen plant because the electricity service was threatening much higher rates
splnkr: well, now the electricity service backpedaled and is offering a continuation at the same rate
splnkr: but the apt managers were too dumb to realize they were just bandstanding
splnkr: now i wonder how this affects BTC speculation =P
pigeons: lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more
splnkr: well, maybe, or maybe it's that people suck, and force politicians to lie.
pigeons: people suck so im forced to kill and steal
pigeons: dont blame the poor politicians
splnkr: whoa whoa the killing and stealing are another issue altogether
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.38 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.395 = 1.975 BTC [+]
splnkr: look, if you view a type of person as completely inhuman and one-dimensional so you can scapegoat them, you're never going to really understand why they are the way they are
splnkr: i had the experience of running for an elected office once and it totally changed my perspective
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more <<< this. nonspam detected.
mircea_popescu: just make your motherfucking point, that's what a congress is for.
splnkr: so for example, sometimes what looks like stupidity from the outside is really willful ignorance
mircea_popescu: but it's always easier to self aggrandize and hyperbolize than make points
splnkr: well the irony here is that story about maxine waters misquoting a number probably got more exposure than the story about her exposing the CIA-crack connection in the 90's
pigeons: im suprised you lost, you are a politician, now its "misquoting"
mircea_popescu: i guess this teaches the importance of not fudging numbers.
mircea_popescu: i certainly dislike people that do that more than people that do coke.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00641 = 4.487 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.73 = 3.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [-]
splnkr: pigeons: i'm not trying to defend politicians, but explain them
splnkr: i have less than zero time for their BS
splnkr: they are leading the way to 100 years ago
splnkr: it's a joke and i don't care to stick around for the punchline
splnkr: to be constantly wrapped up in their misdeeds is paralyzing
splnkr: i'd rather just ignore and proceed =)
splnkr: yeah i guess if you're going to jump down a rabbit hole it might as well be the one with the most potential to lead somewhere better
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.63899 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]
Zillion: Still no love on that bet here mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.63899 = 2.556 BTC [-]
Zillion: LOL yeah but I am not the tycoon as you and need my measly coins
mircea_popescu: Zillion srsly, we ran into some sendmany hairs, working at it, it will not be long.
Zillion: np just wanting to be sure no wallet problems is all really
Zillion: thank ya sir...sorry, patience never been a strong suit for me
mjr__: i think it would be awesome if we could lend our shares out on mpex...with an escrow feature of some sort
Zillion: very new to all this if that is a dumb question
mjr__: so others could short
mjr__: and i could have my shares which are just sitting there earn extra income
ThickAsThieves: while ive never used btcjam, i like how the integrated using btct assets as collateral
mjr__: you COULD, but there is no escrow
jurov: thestringpuller, cause mp mentioned sendmany hairs
thestringpuller: mjr__: smickles is working on something for that purpose I thik
jurov: mjr__, shorting is by definition incompatible with simple escrow
mjr__: mircea_popescu: I would rather have my shares in a pool for lending with the understanding that the guy has to have assets to back it up. Similar to bitfinex's system
mjr__: but instead of BTC or USD, S.DICE and S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: unlike the bitfinex system w./e that is, you actually have signed receipts to prove this on mpex.
mircea_popescu: im sure any of the pt ops would do this, for instance.
jurov: i understood mjr__ looks for a broker he'll just push the shares to and broker does the legwork
mjr__: i meant a more automated system, yes Jurov and collects a portion of the interest or fees i generate
mjr__: ie. i can just leave my shares in that pool, but i specificy that my term will expire before dividends
mircea_popescu: actually iirc topace was working on some automation for crediting pushes to his PT
mjr__: even better win, if they win the bet, i can double down
mjr__: my whole point is that i want to increase my long position, but i don't want to buy at market, so if people want to sell at market, and then have to cover, i can buy back my own shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00075632 = 1.6639 BTC [+]
mjr__: if they are right and the short position works, i can increase my position for cheaper, if they are wrong, i get my original shares back anyway, and still rely on dividends
jurov: i'd prefer to run it closed with fixed interest, without dosclosing when i or someone other shorted and how much.
mjr__: exactly, i don't care who they are, i would rather trust mpex or coinbr than an individual person, provided that there is an autoclose out feature and there account is liquid enough to be able to buy back
jurov: transparency leads to somilar things like MPBPT investors bitching that i endangered their investment by setting the rate too high, lol
mjr__: some risk monitoring system
jurov: lmao maybe i can adapt bitcoinica code
jurov: yes that side is clear... but on the other side, maybe i can lend out to coinbr users where i can force liquidate them (hence bitcoinica reference)
pigeons: i dont mind being force liquidated as long as you give it a cute nickname like "starfished" or "juroved"
mircea_popescu: anyway, certainly a valid development direction, this.
mjr__: yes exactly, i don't want to rely on trusting them to return shares and be solvent
mjr__: if their account approaches insolvency they should get a margin call
mjr__: and if it reaches the point where they would be insolvent, they should be autoliquidated
jurov: okay, will plan it. but that even increases the risk of orders mismatch... mircea, how far are you with full tracking? did you determine it can be done?
jurov: who isn't following this - the "track" feature works basically only on half of transactions
jurov: the other half shows digest of other user's order
jurov: if i mismatch leveraged orders the mess will be bigger
mircea_popescu: sorry for the delay everyone. bitcoind is not yet exactly mature, needs a little expert oiling
mjr__: ah, good idea too, if you were to allow me to lend my btc out for margin on people it could work in the same system...but again, need very robust risk controls
Zillion: thats a BTC short for me???
mircea_popescu: you mean 21-02-13 19:54 No 357 2.00000000 19PN8 1.98876913 1Bye9 ?
Zillion: holy crap you are so right sir
Zillion: nothing like whining just to find out your wrong and last money :)
mircea_popescu: so if odds are even and weight under 1k (out of the orig 100k) you may end up -
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 500 @ 0.01 = 5 BTC [+]
mjr__: i am curious if you could use blockchain analysis to get an accurate NPV of S.DICE dividends
mjr__: at the very least gross profit
mjr__: haven't seen that yet
jurov: maybe the default end weight should be 1000 to account for this
blu3gr1ffon: so these bets with, so and so will happen by 4/1/2013, are they over if that something happpens on 3/5/3013?
blu3gr1ffon: or do they just sit there until the end to pay out?
mjr__: do you do underwriting mircea?
mjr__: at this point i mean
mjr__: or do you just list
mjr__: i wanna get into the private equity game lol
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075259 / 0.00076 (207052 shares, 155.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069755 / 0.00078 (17890704 shares, 12,479.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067287 / 0.00078 (67719739 shares, 45,566.99 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
pigeons: i would think horsemeat would cost more than cornfed cow meat
Chaang-Noi: horse meat is cheap if it comes from a horse no one wants
mjr__: what i don't understand is that they eat horse meat when it's labeled horse
mjr__: i really wouldn't care if i found out i ate pork when i thought it was only beef
thestringpuller: if within a few weeks’ time you find yourself in the position of having to decide whether a few million dollars go to a. free drinks and garter inserts at a number of strip clubs or to b. coinbase “second round of funding”, the correct business decision is certainly a. At least the strippers can actually provide an answer should anyone happen to ask “what the fuck are you doing”. <<< I think many VC's w
ThickAsThieves: in the US, mostly the only meat-switching news you hear about is with fish
ThickAsThieves: cheap fish being sold as expensive fish in restaurants
Anduckk: mircea_popescu is the string puller!!!
Anduckk: (btw thats is actually true)
mircea_popescu: i started off trying to be nice but by the end i was thoroughly pissed off so.
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.25001 U.S. dollars = 26.2693741 Euros
mjr__: so you underwrite and marketmake?
jcpham: EskimoBob tell me about the things that make you angry
jcpham: i figured you were angry about something
jcpham: you normally seem angry
jcpham: I imagine you having steam coming from your ears
mircea_popescu: mjr__ to some degree. the way it practically works is mostly by putting min bids in during ipos
mircea_popescu: nothing much came of it in the case of bitbet for instance, it took off way
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610821 / 0.00633093 / 0.00637777 (46523 shares, 294.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00572194 / 0.00621997 / 0.00638999 (320933 shares, 1,996.19 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00602873 / 0.007395 (6844333 shares, 41,262.64 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49900 U.S. dollars = 26.4603467 Euros
BitHub: ziggap are on bitfunder as well
blu3gr1ffon: they are, newly so. anybody used the service?
mircea_popescu: I am done using this site. When you place a bet with a professional you want to be paid when the bet has resolved. Not when someone is good and ready to pay you. Mircea Popescu is a no better than any scammer before him."
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
BitHub: its a place to buy bitcoins from
BitHub: they do a few countries
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ok but i mean... today is still the 1st wtf.
mircea_popescu: banks regularly hold payments 2-3 days, what about that.
blu3gr1ffon: i guess people expect the perks of bitcoin to apply to bitbet
mircea_popescu: stuff has to be checked, for one, it's not exactly pennies we're dealing here. stuff breaks half the time, as it was indeed the case this time. new code and all that.
mircea_popescu: gotta give scammers like mircea_popescu some slack eh.
ThickAsThieves: he probly had some other bet or debt he needed to fill
mircea_popescu: i guess if you sit there and mash the f5 there's little difference between an hour and all eternity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.685 = 6.165 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49489 U.S. dollars = 26.4571944 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637776 = 31.8888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.64500001 = 24.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.645 = 6.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.49501, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 63944.06343327, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.24964
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.83988, Bid-ask spread: 0.23988, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
ThickAsThieves: which was accelerated from when they said 2014 last year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.04 BTC [+]
mjr__: yeah i need google glass
mjr__: the new video was awesome
mjr__: and i saw a picture of sergey brin on the subway in nyc wearing them
ThickAsThieves: from the looks of their promo photos, you have to look pretty hip to own a pair
mjr__: no one ever went broke taking profits...sell sell sell
mircea_popescu: "Consumer spending in the U.S. rose in January even as incomes dropped by the most in 20 years, showing households were weathering the payroll-tax increase by socking away less money in the bank."
mjr__: i was saying that as i kept my finger on the buy button, following goldman sach's modus operandi...tell people to do the exact opposite of what you plan on doing, and have them pay you for the "service"
mircea_popescu: the vote is in : the us public does not care whether the us ends.
mjr__: yes, but it is the system that makes savers into suckers
mjr__: i honestly think it may even be a partly subconscious effect whereby without concsciously realizing it, you know that saving is stupid when the value goes down so rapidly
mjr__: QE infinity and beyond
ThickAsThieves: americans are so ignorant and detached from the political and financial world it isnt funny
ThickAsThieves: i can have an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the people i come across
Chaang-Noi: their parents or grandparents made all the money, now everyone has credit
mircea_popescu: actually seeing how the expenditure is in large part houses,
mircea_popescu: it's pretty smart. buy a house today for 100k of debt, wait for obama to make 100k = 1 pizza
mjr__: but that is the point
ThickAsThieves: they even messed up real estate as investment for the middle and lower class
mjr__: and they want eveeryone in as much debt as possible
mircea_popescu: i could carry on an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the egyptians in either cairo or luxor
ThickAsThieves: i dont really understand why so many people dont want to think for themselves
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria Only in the sense that finance will move to Bitcoin faster.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Does the EU transaction tax proposal apply to Bitcoin transactions?
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria No, Bitcoin is structurally immune to imposed taxation.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.53318, Best ask: 34.79987, Bid-ask spread: 0.26669, Last trade: 34.80000, 24 hour volume: 67402.19246156, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.33373
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.68499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00075632 = 5.143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4927 @ 0.00075542 = 3.722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5478 @ 0.00075 = 4.1085 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Spiers, responding to a question about whether he regretted Groupon going public with "I feel like the only reason you could be asking me that question is because you think I’m stupid or because you’re trying to see if I’m going to lie to you."
mircea_popescu: and for the record i totally called this on trilema, when they ipod
ThickAsThieves: i had every client asking me about groupon for a while
mircea_popescu: "We sat in the dining room at Madera, a Michelin 1-star rated restaurant in the Rosewood, a luxury hotel that’s partly owned by Stanford University."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.75002, Best ask: 34.81892, Bid-ask spread: 0.06890, Last trade: 34.81895, 24 hour volume: 68172.45866000, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.35396
mircea_popescu: He softened a bit. “I think in the first phase of our company, we were a glorified mailing list. We had a completely unintelligent email that we sent out once a day and we had a human sales force that was going around and procuring the deals... "
mircea_popescu: why do they wait for it to be 2013 and everyone be pissed off ?
mircea_popescu: this is what so called CEOs should learn from me, seriously. say it dude.
jcpham: what is the lesson, i'm listening
mircea_popescu: say nigger. tell people to fuck off. say your company sucks and is a glorified mailing list. say whatever the hell is the case.
mircea_popescu: no matter how apparently impolite, impolitical, inappropriate or whatever the fuck.
jcpham: i'm a big proponent of telling the truth
blu3gr1ffon: if you have shareholders, it is illegal to do anything that would lower the price of your company
mircea_popescu: that only sets you up for the unpleasant situation of this guy
jcpham: what were we talking about
jcpham: i do not like this topic
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.81100, Best ask: 34.86999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05899, Last trade: 34.81100, 24 hour volume: 68642.46395107, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89000, 24 hour vwap: 33.36688
jcpham: wtf is a groupon anyways
jcpham: didn't they go out of business
jcpham: well i do not shop so idgaf
Diablo-D3: a lot of people collectively take up a discount
Diablo-D3: jcpham: not just items, services too
Diablo-D3: a lot of companies pulled out of groupon and refuses to honor groupon deals because groupon wouldn't set limits and shit
Diablo-D3: group on also had pretty fucked up internal financials
jcpham: groupon promotes consumerism
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 which is a polite way of saying they cooked the books for the ipo
jcpham: i'm violently anti-consumer
pigeons: it has a high carbon footprint
Diablo-D3: jcpham: consumerism isn't bad inherently
Diablo-D3: jcpham: like, I'll buy mass produced products…. they just have to be high quality ones
jcpham: when people band together in facebook hoardes to groupon their rent money?
Diablo-D3: like I just bought a $99 9" frying pan
jcpham: why the fuck would you pay 100$ for a pan
Diablo-D3: its an all copper frying pan with a thin layer of 18/10 stainless steel for the cooking surface
jcpham: i barely eat let alone spend money on retarded kitchen goods
pigeons: a good pre-seasoned cast-iron skillet?
Diablo-D3: I took advantage of a pricing error
Diablo-D3: pigeons: a good one of those is $20 =P
jcpham: pigeons that's a hand me down
pigeons: yeah that's what i have ;>
jcpham: grandma hooked us up with the cast iron
Diablo-D3: Im going to own one frying pan the rest of my life thats not cast iron
mircea_popescu: pigeons i have some cast iron stuff. the problem with it is the womenz can barely lift the stuff. some sauces require lifting the pot with one hand while stirring with the other
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I wouldn't use cast iron for sauces
jcpham: i'm just poking at you Diablo-D3, if you want to spend money on copper pans and mine bitcoins on Nvidia
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: get a 18/10 stainless pot
Diablo-D3: you can get one for like $50-75 depending on what size
Chaang-Noi: you guys know too much about cooking stuff
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.89769, Best ask: 34.89989, Bid-ask spread: 0.00220, Last trade: 34.89990, 24 hour volume: 68050.93419775, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89990, 24 hour vwap: 33.36805
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: cooking is a man's art
pigeons: not pikewomen, just healthy
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 often enough you make the sauce in the same skillet you cooked the meat for juice economy.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it depends on the sauce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637776 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like, I don't ike putting tomatoes in a cast iron pan
Diablo-D3: but a white sauce or gravy? thats fine
jcpham: i can honestly say I'm never experienced the word juice followed by the word economy
jcpham: i think i should take a nap or bleed out or something
mircea_popescu: jcpham you never lived having to save your juice to satisfy many hungry mouths either.
Diablo-D3: jcpham: he basically said "gravy without getting another pan dirty"
Diablo-D3: I laughed out loud, Im a bad person. No wait, that other thing, Im awesome.
jcpham: i can't wait to drop "juice economy" on someone
jcpham: when they least expect it
Diablo-D3: but yeah, I wouldn't have paid $200 for this
Diablo-D3: infact, I didn't even want to pay $100
Diablo-D3: but when something like that comes up
Diablo-D3: woks are often cast iron or annonized steel
Diablo-D3: bronze is fine, although you usually don't see it anymore
Diablo-D3: stainless steel is the best for the surface though
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure they are mostly steel that we have
Diablo-D3: you can get pans that are pure 18/10 stainless, and they're good
Chaang-Noi: fuck, im going to go check.. iv not been in the kitchen for months and im going in to see pots...
Diablo-D3: almost pure copper is 1%er kind of shit
Diablo-D3: there are pro chefs that don't use shit like this
Diablo-D3: nanotube knows what Im talking about
Chaang-Noi: i think the stuff we ahve is mostly steel
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: 18/10 steel is what a lot of people have
Diablo-D3: like, commercial grade shit is usually pure 18/10 or aluminum/18/10 bonded
Diablo-D3: the best cooking surface you can get is 18/10 stainless
Diablo-D3: its not the best _conductor_ though
Diablo-D3: thats why a lot of high grade 18/10 stainless pans have a copper layer inside
Diablo-D3: the only thing better is as much copper as possible with a thin layer of 18/10 as the cooking surface
Chaang-Noi: i dont think im picky enough id notice the differance
Diablo-D3: unless you cook every single day and do hardcore shit, you'd never see it
mircea_popescu: am i seeing this right, we're getting a downtrend retarget ?!
Chaang-Noi: if i cant go out of have some one cook for me i will eat bread from the bag and beer...
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: gpis are being powered down
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its the calm before the storm
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: yeah see, Im rejecting most pre made foods
Namworld: I guess a lot of the 25 terahash of GPUs are being removed
Diablo-D3: osx can automatically spellcheck that
Chaang-Noi: i dont know, i never have. also spending more than 10 mins trying to get a meal is a waste of time
Chaang-Noi: my wife will spend 2 hours on a meal some times... fucking insane
mircea_popescu: i hear you say that im thinking "this is like saying spending more than 2 minutes to get laid is a waste of time"
Chaang-Noi: who spends more than 2 hours to get laid?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i spent two hours actually cooking yet tho
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the part between meeting the girl and getting her naked.
mircea_popescu: i mean the part between her being naked and you being done
Chaang-Noi: oh, i do BBQ, but i dont really count that as cooking
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: 2 minutes getting laid? wtf, must be an asian thing
Diablo-D3: I couldn't get off in 2 minutes if I tried. Infact, I did. Didn't happen.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
Chaang-Noi: ahh sex time, yeah i have done over 2 hours before but not for a while.... 30 mins to an hour is fine...
mircea_popescu: yest i made shrimp in white sauce with garlic + pasta, took like 25.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, but sex is so much better than food
Chaang-Noi: if im goig to spend 1 hour doing something its going to be sex, not cooking:)
Diablo-D3: hell, I wouldn't mind doing 8 hours on a meal
Diablo-D3: depends entirely what you're doing
gribble: Current Blocks: 223776 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17471712.2288 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00477
Namworld: not sure we're forked... but looks like someone could do a 50% +
Namworld: unless BFL is testing on top of ASICMINER
mod6: yeah, they're showing 3m estimated
mod6: much different than the numbers gribble is giving
mod6: even the diff change is saying 914 blocks, and gribble is saying 2015 blocks
thestringpuller: or is the estimate highest the farther away the next retarget it
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 223778 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12559483.346 | Estimated Percent Change: 187.54212
blu3gr1ffon: cool, you made me .7btc mr. mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: just as soon as im done cooking the motherfucking books
Namworld: It's more of being a PITA than being hard.
ThickAsThieves: "This is not the apocalypse. It's just dumb," Mr. Obama told reporters
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: What is the basis for your difficulty prediction?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.03401 = 0.2721 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: "Bitcoin next difficulty looks like 17mn, a 300%ish increase. Possibly largest gap since the very early days."
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5830327.65884 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
Bugpowder: that was like 15 minutes ago though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074307 = 3.7154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00074306 = 4.867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00074306 = 0.9288 BTC [-]
mod6: i just got an email from my bank...they'd like me to donate some food to them.
kakobrekla: "people guarding the safes are hungry, f1"
mircea_popescu: now let's see if we can get this shit past the auditors
imsaguy: There's really not much to cook
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i gave up the weird cash-basis monstrosity i was doing last month
mircea_popescu: because if i kept up with it the report would have been literally uninteligible
imsaguy: just hire smickles already
imsaguy: oh, I thought jesus was coming again
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
jcpham: i bet smickles killed someone
jcpham: and he's just laying low
jcpham: he's 182% gangster to the core, that smickles
mircea_popescu: the person that i'm pretending to be pretending to be or somesuch found it for me. imagine, a girl actually read bfl forums!
jurov: bitbet referrals need whole addy or firstbits are okay?
[\\\]: I'm gonna make a bunch of claims, but then turn around and make a disclaimer that the claims could be false
[\\\]: He's too busy to do his own research but not too busy to make the initial claim
mircea_popescu: moreover... he disclaims whether bitbet is in fact owned by me or not
mircea_popescu: because you see, there's some girl that keeps beating up on him on the interwebs
[\\\]: "one more day, I promise"
[\\\]: cross my heart, hope to die.
[\\\]: ok fine, I hope you die.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00611 = 0.0917 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0061 BTC [-]
[\\\]: I'll take your word for it, panda.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00609 = 0.609 BTC [-]
[\\\]: oh wait, inaba said you're a liar
[\\\]: and mommy said I can't talk to liars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.7 = 10.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya except after mpoe-pr walked all over his face on btctalk he has to say it in blfcloset
[\\\]: its easier to make up the rules in your own sandbox
mircea_popescu: "This person seams pretty sure of him self to bet so much money that we wont be seeing
mircea_popescu: A shipment before march, this has me a little worried."
[\\\]: are there april bets yet?
[\\\]: how about may or june?
[\\\]: I wouldn't take the avalon
mircea_popescu: in any case this makes me realise, bet arbitraging is now possible. yes one no the other or we
[\\\]: avalon has at least proven a device
[\\\]: even if not shipping en masse
[\\\]: what did kanoi hack on?
[\\\]: they shipped him to bfl to develop software, but what did he test with?
FonziSource: the avalon is not the quality i would expect
[\\\]: FonziSource: I'd expect there to be revisions between what Jeff got and what everyone else will receive
mircea_popescu: my guess would be thatm ost actual units would struggle to reach the prototype performance
FonziSource: but if the only bug is that it hangs every so x
FonziSource: i'd reboot it prior to x and have a coke and a smile too
[\\\]: the windows miners still like to freak out after 5 days
[\\\]: so its not much different
[\\\]: schedule the reboot and be done
[\\\]: it is a bug in cgminer
[\\\]: don't tell them that tho
[\\\]: they'll blame windows
FonziSource: but I've got a cgminer running now since november on linux
[\\\]: but basically, there were a few versions of cgminer that run for weeks
[\\\]: the new versions don't anymore
[\\\]: there's a leak somewhere :D
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: the whole stratum thing is forcing upgrades
mircea_popescu: from what i gather the stratum is kinda unavoidable tho
FonziSource: cgminer version 2.4.0 - Started: [November 29, 2012, 12:47 pm] Rig: leviathan
FonziSource: (avg): 1040.85 Mh/s | Q:1714540 A:1896580 R:19689 HW:0 U:14.31/m ST:2258 DW:414493 NB:15431 LW:4265417 GF:292 RF:658
pigeons: no you can avoid if if you use Luke-Jr's bfgnet
Luke-Jr: pigeons: I don't maintain BFGMiner old versions very long either
gribble: Current Blocks: 223785 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5112621.65753 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.05052
Luke-Jr: thought [\\\] should know better, and use it since it's got less bugs :P
pigeons: doesnt eligius support another overlay protocol in addition to stratum as an alternative?
Luke-Jr: pigeons: Eligius supports standard GBT of course
pigeons: that's what i was looking for
pigeons: the name of gbt as an alternative to stratum
mircea_popescu: ackageShell provides an environment for software packages to run in.
topace: has sdice dividend been announced yet ?
kakobrekla: ah i see im late to the party, was this was already beaten moments ago
midnightmagic: Hey wasn't there a bet that Josh (from BFL) did about BFL delivery times not that long ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0007499 = 3.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00074991 = 3.946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21238 @ 0.00076 = 16.1409 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610824 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00610823 = 5.4974 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla especially as bet was made after the new diff lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 138 @ 0.006 = 0.828 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic if you mean the bitbet thing it closed recently.
topace: mircea_popescu: doh i was hoping it would come today so i coud not work this weekend :p
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Oh, does the site not escrow bets?
jurov: kakobrekla, that 3-75-million bet wasn't very visible. i remember myself thinking about it, but then it scrolled down into oblivion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess after this march 1st bfl will stand for butteryfly lols
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: What the hell is that last comment bitching at you then..?! When one bets, they actually send BTC to the site right? Who mediates ambiguous bets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Scroll way down to the "I am done using this site."
mircea_popescu: if you grep the log there was some wtfing about it earlier
mircea_popescu: "The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security, in response to a failure by the agency to release any documents pertaining to the “Emergency Wireless Protocols,” (Standard Operating Procedure 303 or “SOP 303″)."
mircea_popescu: the lol is strong with this one. this sop 303 thing is supposedly the procedure of how to turn off internets.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.006 = 0.03 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Doesn't SOP usually imply something that's done all the time?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.006 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in obamaworld things that were never done and can't in principle be done apparently qualify.
jurov: There will be legal action resulting in injuction against or outright ban of sale of Google Glasses (or equivalent Google product) country-wide or state-wide in any country or US state, effective before 1st January 2014. Cited reason may be privacy concerns, patent violation or anything other.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Seriously man. I make fucking awesome coffee.
jurov: is such bet preliminary acceptable?
jurov: what? they're already banned somewhere?
jurov: midnightmagic enjoy. i'll keep gulping here this instant shit with stevia.
jurov: well it's too broad scope... maybe they'll get banned in baluchistan and we won't know it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 299 @ 0.01 = 2.99 BTC [+]
jurov: i said us state or anywhere else
jurov: maybe limit it to US state or EU country
jurov: submitted. we'll see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.7 = 3.4 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.48000, Best ask: 34.50999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02999, Last trade: 34.48001, 24 hour volume: 61642.33337937, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 33.38684
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6835 BTC [-]
SudsyForce: written, produced, and directed by Chris Robinson
SudsyForce: Two slave brothers, one black, one an albino, discover a treasure map which is taken from them by their foreman. They take it back but are pursued by the foreman. Originally, the foreman seeks the aid of two bounty hunters who pursue the protagonists throughout the film. At the end, both the foreman and the bounty hunters catch up with the two escaped slaves, and the foreman has a change of heart, helping to kill the bounty hunters.
☟ assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075292 / 0.00076 (264833 shares, 199.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069845 / 0.00078 (17743462 shares, 12,393.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67591125 shares, 45,487.52 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.006 = 13.446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4710 @ 0.00075142 = 3.5392 BTC [-]
fydel: MR mircea_popescu: Is there a way to see the exact trade volumes of the mpex stocks? The graphs on mpex.com are nice but I would like to have more infos, Sir.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.0007529 / 0.00076 (269543 shares, 202.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069867 / 0.00078 (17683122 shares, 12,354.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67573650 shares, 45,476.39 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the 30 day volume comes from the json there for instance
fydel: mircea_popescu: thank you, sir
fydel: kakobrekla: thank you,,this looks nice
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 45 @ 0.35 = 15.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] [PAID] 1.23456789 BTC to 1`000`000 shares, 0.00000123BTC per share
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 15 @ 0.2999 = 4.4985 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4920122.48034 based on data since last change | 4642001.13651 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 38 @ 0.2999 = 11.3962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 2.72083959 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 0.00000054 BTC per share
mircea_popescu: tho it'd prolly be a good idea if per share div was quoted in satoshi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6805 = 4.083 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
mjr_: mpex website is down?
Bugpowder: hey dudes, got a little troubleshooting question
Bugpowder: importing a cold wallet.dat into my main bitcoin-qt client
Bugpowder: despite it showing the right addresss
Bugpowder: and being fully synced with network
Bugpowder: Will that redownload the blockchain?
kakobrekla: -rescan Rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions
Bugpowder: could it potentially damage my hot wallet?
Diablo-D3: I really should beat Ukto with a cluebat
kakobrekla: well bitcoin can potentially do preetymuch anything including with stabbing you in the face
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.82300, Best ask: 34.84999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02699, Last trade: 34.82300, 24 hour volume: 37832.17788346, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.18692
Bugpowder: I am trying to move my main stash into cold storage, just testing how it works now
Bowjob: bug, had you been so stubborn you woulda been crushed by your puts
Bowjob: I'm looking at private islands for a near future purchase.. i wonder which one's the best value for buck
Diablo-D3: Ukto: you don't accept bitcoins directly
Ukto: hopefully in the next 30 days
Ukto: new stuff will be in effect
Ukto: that will make your head spins
FabianB: mircea_popescu: mpex dossed again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00075557 = 9.8224 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006389 = 0.6389 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: now we wait for the weekend dip...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 25 @ 0.00072 = 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 925 @ 0.00073 = 0.6753 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
Bowjob: "Lessons learned. Batch #2 process will have improvements, minor design adjustments and other goodies."
Bugpowder: that is like $15,000 down the tubes
Bowjob: theres more avalons than we discovered
Bowjob: but why did both fuck up at the exact same time?
Bugpowder: he stacked them on top of each other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6795 = 3.3975 BTC [-]
Bowjob: hopefull batch two will resolve that
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.006389 = 0.0703 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bowjob that avalon bet adjustment seems prescient in retrospect huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.68 = 23.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00076 = 7.372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Sir, they are two avalon located in different rooms. No one touch them because they are all working well last night before I went to sleep."
mircea_popescu: has the distinct sound of ruined family hopes and aspirations to it.
jurov: if anyone desperately needs to place orders, mpex.coinbr.com still works
Bowjob: im withholding my bet.. im uncertain'
Bowjob: I already bet $1500 on avalon anyyway
jurov: mircea_popescu , no comment? it's ddos?
jurov: i can't access mpex.co .. times out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.685 = 8.22 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: interesting, are you going through the same hub as fabian ?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
mod6: i havent had any problems
kakobrekla: does this pinkhouse have a street address?
mircea_popescu: jurov it looks like atlas.cogentco is having issues and perhaps dropping packets
jurov: good you have put the proxies in place, i just switched
jurov: interesting that from my bitvps from zurich it works
Bowjob: basically theres more avalons in the wild than we previously thought
Bowjob: so.. 298/300 avalons work
Bowjob: One thing that bothers me.. 2 of them shut off at the exact same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [+]
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.27669, Best ask: 34.58835, Bid-ask spread: 0.31166, Last trade: 34.27626, 24 hour volume: 41270.19696629, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.26412
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 333181.4110 USD and would take the last price down to 32.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.3181 USD/BTC.
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2800852.7112 USD and would take the last price down to 19.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.0085 USD/BTC.
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 71717.994 bitcoins, for a total of 16174263427823.8477 USD and take the price to 13370133701337.0000.
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 34837.9787 USD and would take the last price up to 34.9100 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.8380 USD/BTC.
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 352432.4425 USD and would take the last price up to 35.9775 USD, resulting in an average price of 35.2432 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: We very well may soon see how many bitcoins have actually been lost...
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4530174.0465 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.5302 USD/BTC.
jurov: <thestringpuller> 99% of all Avalon's work, seems like a good job. A+ no? <<<sauce?
jurov: where are all the other 98% ?
jurov: in other news, coinbr unanimously voted to pay me bonuses
jurov: few trillions satoshis
jurov: thestringpuller oh you just made fun, i see
Bowjob: i want to see 1 satoshi 1 cent
jurov: i can buy the satoshi for 1.5 cents
jurov: and we'll push the tx to assbot thus making them official
Bowjob: does paypal even allow 1 cent txs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637772 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00637773 = 1.9133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00637775 = 6.3778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.00637776 = 31.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 24700 @ 0.00637777 = 157.5309 BTC [+]
jurov: you remember the story about detergent becoming..er..money?
jurov: i think that was least scammy money ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00637777 = 1.2756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00075557 = 10.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075142 = 7.4391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 750 @ 0.14253227 = 106.8992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.6675 = 10.0125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.667 = 2.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.645 = 24.51 BTC [-]
jurov: pity that beercoin didn't catch up
jurov: named nationals would mightily disagree
jurov: and thestringpusher is from burkina faso
mircea_popescu: turks fuck their wives in the ass. russians beat them up.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.006388 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: We learn nothing from that experiment
Bugpowder: I proposed that expt to a postdoc in his lab and he was like... Yah I'm not supposed to say anything but we already have done that
Bugpowder: Nicolelis has a great sense for sexy science
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 98 @ 0.006388 = 0.626 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Professor Bugpowder, you should take bribes from your students in BTC.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1120 @ 0.006389 = 7.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00639 = 0.639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4731 @ 0.00639 = 30.2311 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.0064 = 14.3424 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6659 @ 0.00641 = 42.6842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.23606086 = 177.0456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hahaha so basically avalon 1st april delivery bet is about to overtake bfl 1st april delivery.
Bowjob: dont i get anything for that bet
Bowjob: i didnt take a side however
mircea_popescu: then yes, when it settles. your addy should be on one of the inputs
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02125, Best ask: 34.02600, Bid-ask spread: 0.00475, Last trade: 34.02124, 24 hour volume: 43518.84638286, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.27453
mod6: here comes some coins!
Bowjob: oh yeah, weekend dip. nothing to worry about
Bowjob: i wanna sell my avalon batch 2 as a collectors item someday
Bowjob: might fetch quite a price at sotheby's
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.37000, Best ask: 33.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 33.40000, 24 hour volume: 46971.71104167, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.23265
Bowjob: the bears are attacking
Bowjob: brb, dumping. see you at single digits
mircea_popescu: "161 arrested in Saudi Arabia protest over detentions, including 15 women and 6 children"
Bowjob: saudi people are very good at beheading
Bowjob: way better than the mexicans
mircea_popescu: the old jewish story about "when they finally came for me there was no one else around"
gribble: Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 223830 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1961 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4843098.93958 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.87995
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.71000, Best ask: 33.89879, Bid-ask spread: 0.18879, Last trade: 33.89879, 24 hour volume: 60515.34646797, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09078
mod6: someone's back'in up the truck
maximian: well, that dump was absorbed easily
mod6: shorts have been getting crushed
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02502, Best ask: 34.13582, Bid-ask spread: 0.11080, Last trade: 34.13583, 24 hour volume: 62126.92918597, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08840
kakobrekla: you need to find 2 blocks and you are even
mod6: gtfo you don't have any of those lol
mod6: if I push you 44BTC you'll send?
kakobrekla: 03:47.20 ( kakobrekla ) not mine, but i wouldnt mind.
mod6: im like dude, i want one!!!
mod6: you probably would have scammed me for 2
mod6: not you FabianB_, scammar kakobrekla
mod6: tryin to pull the ole "i got asic's!!!" one on mod6
mod6: well, then I saw another like 10000 show up on the ask side.
mod6: but yeah, the first 10000 did!
mod6: lets see what gribble says
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 33.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 5933.3105 bitcoins offered at or under 35.0 USD, worth 206963.560478 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.69391, Best ask: 33.84351, Bid-ask spread: 0.14960, Last trade: 33.84351, 24 hour volume: 62235.33867428, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08873
mod6: yeah, i think my clark moody was screwed up
mod6: i wish kako had those asics
mod6: one of those guys from the other night was like, "LETS GET TWO!!" heh
mod6: they're something of a unicorn methinks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66001, Best ask: 33.89669, Bid-ask spread: 0.23668, Last trade: 33.65062, 24 hour volume: 62649.19977577, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08709
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.41001, Best ask: 34.42509, Bid-ask spread: 0.01508, Last trade: 34.40738, 24 hour volume: 62436.63064572, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09427
mircea_popescu: "stabilization of expected inflation..are products of the increasing credibility of the Fed's commitment to price stability"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00412 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00198 = 0.0198 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10690 @ 0.00075142 = 8.0327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1860 @ 0.00074926 = 1.3936 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I get Error: Xcoind backend failure in getbalance at 774
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.26455015 = 2.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.681 = 2.043 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bet right, still lose money however is fucking lol
ThickAsThieves: but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk
Chaang-Noi: well people should not make a bet when weight is only 75 out of 100,000
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk << this.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, people who like btc love gambling
mircea_popescu: i think people love gambling a liot more than anyone suspects
ThickAsThieves: i had someone justify scratch tickets to me the other day
B0g4r7: I liked scalping BoB bets. Lately they've stopped me tho.
ThickAsThieves: i think one appealing aspect of the company retaining shares as payment
ThickAsThieves: on the fly i mean, like while checking out stock prices on the exchanges
ThickAsThieves: you dont need to memorize or look up how many shares are public
mircea_popescu: so, normal company. issues 100 shares, makes 100 profit, retains 30% pays out 70%. dividend is .7 per share
mircea_popescu: weirdo glbse abomination : issues 100 shares, of which it sells 70 and keeps 30 "for growth". makes 100 profit now it pays out 1 per share
mircea_popescu: except each actual share gets a further .3 from the retainment
mircea_popescu: and then later maybe it sells some of the "kept" shares
mircea_popescu: in general it's just a way to equivocate ownership, which practically works as a way for the operator to steal equity.
Chaang-Noi: mp, i was told if we deposit 1000 btc on mpex we get a free account. true or not?
mircea_popescu: Hi there, I would like to start correspondence with you, i have seen your profile and i'm very interested. I'm looking for loyal, romantic and intelligent guy for serious relations.
BitHub: that's cheating spamming whore
mircea_popescu: I dunno dood. she signs "Respectfully yours, Tanya" and her email is Sorokian83@yandex.ru
BitHub: don't let her go bro, follow your heart
mircea_popescu: "[WTB] $ Get Me a Digital File(s) From the Internet $ johnniewalker"
mircea_popescu: gotta love this stuff. asicminer/bitfountain dropped the ball on handling their shares ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps the next company learns to be less retarded from this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00074766 = 7.5514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.0007476 = 0.4486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610823 / 0.00637054 / 0.00637777 (37300 shares, 237.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00578039 / 0.00624256 / 0.00638999 (351758 shares, 2,195.87 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00601894 / 0.007395 (6807830 shares, 40,975.93 BTC)
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4194032.01349 based on data since last change | 4324654.12955 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.00849 = 0.1528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.00849 = 0.0679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20845732 = 208.4573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23388811 = 233.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26266949 = 262.6695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 8 @ 0.27533866 = 2.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 992 @ 0.29501916 = 292.659 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi what you're probably thinking about is the fact that if you trade worth somethign like a few k's worth you make your mpex reg fee back out of the fees difference.
BitHub: who will document these beautiful creatures?
Chaang-Noi: mp it was something your pr girl told theymos
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that was strictly an offer related to his forum moneyz.
mircea_popescu: like a one off sort of thing. (he missed out on it too)
Chaang-Noi: just wondering, i passed up the free account with no string attached anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda found why he was doing that with the forum moneies, he wanted to do fraction reserves...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.0906 = 0.1812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: from what i recall you got really hot and bothered because you missent something like a 1 btc
Chaang-Noi: i passed it up cuz i assumed an exchange with high fees would never work, and other than s,dice that seems to be true, and i think s.dice is way to high and i would not ahve invested in it anyway.
BitHub: my lawyer advised me to not use mpex
Chaang-Noi: lol, why did you waste your lawyers time? what did you really think he would say?
Chaang-Noi: what lawyer anywhere would think an unregistered stock exchange in fake internet money was a good idea??
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as it's fake internet money, what diff does it make.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20812111 = 208.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23354686 = 233.5469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26232486 = 262.3249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29467593 = 294.6759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.68 = 5.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20807672 = 208.0767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23350323 = 233.5032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26228253 = 262.2825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29463549 = 294.6355 BTC [-]
error4733: can some1 can explain thids for me please ?
error4733: still a noob for this kind of stuff
mircea_popescu: but i guess the person is probably going for the psychological 50
error4733: what the name of this order ? (needed for google)
error4733: thanks ;) i told you i'm a noob hehe
mircea_popescu: dude if we have a new max in feb and break 50 in march...
gribble: There are currently 38136.24 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 1443933.18817 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 18088.055 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 641235.039706 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: mil and a half. somehow it doesn't look like much at all.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20803246 = 208.0325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23345974 = 233.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26224033 = 262.2403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29459517 = 294.5952 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If its that other big fish, it will prob tank within 24 hours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0063777 = 63.777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.646 = 17.442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.646 = 12.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6455 = 1.9365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6452 = 1.9356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.6451 = 7.7412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.642 = 22.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0063777 = 31.8885 BTC [-]
error4733: ? i'm still drunk ? those order should normlay got a [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.642 = 12.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.665 = 4.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20799254 = 207.9925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23342052 = 233.4205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 18 @ 0.262 = 4.716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 982 @ 0.26220227 = 257.4826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29455881 = 294.5588 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00000027 / 0.00000041 / 0.00000045 ( shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 ( shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: so the more people factor this OIX into their decisions, the more it manifests it's own value
mircea_popescu: ok so, the low is put oix, the high is call oix, the avg is mixed oix.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 (no shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well possibly. i think it's not heavy enough yet to trade.
mircea_popescu: maybe a decent idea for a PT, but i'd be loath to introduce it to mpex, have someone dump 5k on it
mircea_popescu: when itself it's only based on like 8k atm and may at any time zero out even
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20795276 = 207.9528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23338143 = 233.3814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26216435 = 262.1644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29452258 = 294.5226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually it would prolly make a wunderbar hedge for anchoring tyhings like ltc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in a sense. it takes the bot out of the offer market, so he might be able to offer them back at w/e price suits him
ThickAsThieves: i think there's a lot of potential for playing ltc assets and ltc in general against btc
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely you'd make a oix bet that's too big in ltc, because ltc is kinda small.
ThickAsThieves: even a 5000ltc buy at the right time of day sways the price for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20790871 = 207.9087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23333813 = 233.3381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26212234 = 262.1223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29448245 = 294.4825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20734514 = 207.3451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23274072 = 232.7407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26148834 = 261.4883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29382066 = 293.8207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20730639 = 207.3064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23270264 = 232.7026 BTC [-]
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 642 @ 0.26145139 = 167.8518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 697 @ 0.29378535 = 204.7684 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so now i should call in some recent people i transacted with to get some ratings in there right?
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!ThickAsThi@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net . User thickasthieves, rated since Sat Mar 2 08:19:18 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thickasthieves assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.6 = 14.4 BTC [-]
jurov: _;;rate ThickAsThieves -10 welcome
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: in the push receipt, quantity will be split with a thousands separator right? like 1`456`231 ?
topace_: Your order to push 1xS.DICE ...etc
topace_: ah k thanks. just /[0-9]+/ then?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : you can test push by pushing to your own account
topace_: im _almost_ ready to do a test :)
mircea_popescu: it person is like "yes, you said no separators there because people may want to use it programatically"
topace_: well programatically i wouldnt care, just need to konw one way or another
topace_: no difference between /[0-9`]+/ and /[0-9]+/
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 30 @ 0.3 = 9 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: I don't know the story, but if the fees are disclosed in the terms and he didn't read or agree to them, then tough hash.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.0007476 = 5.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00074398 = 1.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6799 BTC [+]
mjr_: whats new everyone?
topace_: just finishing my mpex->havelock push code
topace_: looking for testers soon :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7794 @ 0.00074398 = 5.7986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41791 @ 0.00073993 = 30.9224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00073886 = 3.285 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00002, Best ask: 34.09012, Bid-ask spread: 0.09010, Last trade: 34.09012, 24 hour volume: 45679.51468007, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 34.01969
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
mjr_: is there a unicode character for bitcoin yet?
jurov: someone used faucet to annoying end?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00075672 = 3.3644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23938 @ 0.00075673 = 18.1146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00075712 = 7.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14713 @ 0.00075713 = 11.1397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8427 @ 0.00075999 = 6.4044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37974 @ 0.00076 = 28.8602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 502 @ 0.000763 = 0.383 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, mpex.co is still unavailable from here
Bowjob: now where is that mpoe havelock pt
jurov: maybe i fell into their new anti-ddos filter :(
mircea_popescu: "Evernote resets all passwords after user information stolen in security breach"
jurov: maybe they decided to start one... it's too specific and long-standing to be some routing issue
jurov: mircea, can you pls ask the datacenter or at least give me their email?
jurov: or whoever might be responsible
jurov: "You’ve found Pe fuga …"
mircea_popescu: try ditching your dns service provided by yiour isp and use google instead for a day
jurov: look into the traceroute i put yest, if the ip is correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.56 = 3.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.56 = 4.68 BTC [-]
mod6: just got this huge problem fixed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.55 = 6.2 BTC [-]
mod6: damn grails app was shitting the bed.
kakobrekla: in the news ...Bit4X Affiliate program
kakobrekla: its not taken away, you just dont have the right to withdraw it before that
kakobrekla: costs nothing to register unlike in your case
mircea_popescu: "To protect against the situation where someone deposits, gets the bonus and immediately withdraws this offer is only valid for accounts which trade at least X"
error4733: what is the last div for asicminer ?
Bugpowder: you could have the bonus vest after x days or y trading volume
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Options Index (^OIX) price sentiment indicator hits all time high ($42.66 / BTC) (self.Bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: Bitcoins price sentiment at a bearish weekly high, still twice as many believe in higher prices within 6 months. You agree? (self.Bitcoin)
Bugpowder: Yah that dude has a little internet vote button
mircea_popescu: it's one of those cases where his point is like the puss in a zit
mircea_popescu: you're sure it must be in there somewhere, but you really don't want to dig it out
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you're up 12 votes now, and check ouit the comment
jurov: too just looking on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.675 = 1.35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with a little luck the comment'll get more upvotes than the article itself
Bowjob: aight. my electrum wallet doesnt work wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00075923 = 12.1477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1262 @ 0.00075924 = 0.9582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10457 @ 0.000763 = 7.9787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076342 = 7.6342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00076508 = 10.9024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00076655 = 8.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076844 = 7.6844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6799 = 1.3598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00076944 = 8.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.2674139 = 173.819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 27.06923527 / 42.61596516 / 44.80704907 (no shares, 12,332.19 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.19001, Best ask: 34.24800, Bid-ask spread: 0.05799, Last trade: 34.24800, 24 hour volume: 40994.03888350, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.96591
Bugpowder: I just wonder how much of the tracking of it to BTC price is due to the MPOE bot's algorithm vs. true market sentiment
Bugpowder: there is, of course, a limit to how far a put or call imbalance can push the OIX
Bugpowder: also, have you examined its predictive power?
mircea_popescu: actually, there was a point where the oix was pushed to like 90
Bugpowder: whatever you call the option market making bot
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i think miodterm. i think it was on an otherwise empty book someone buying some weird far out call
Bugpowder: like at this time horizion out, even a 100-0 call put ratio can only push the OIX so high dependent on the call price
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Is the OIX the like CO2? A trailing indicator?
mod6: ahh, its in the vwap now :)
Bugpowder: you, or someone (or me) should look at it's predictive power
Bugpowder: is there historical option trade data available?
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if you promise to write a good statistical analysis and publish it i'll send you the ~300 datapoints on that graph
Bugpowder: Let me consult with my statistical wizard friend
jurov: to me it looks more just glorified call/put sold ratio
Bugpowder: of course if there IS predictive power
jurov: because most of calls have same breakeven point, puts likewise
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the thing is, my bet is that there is predictive power of arbitrary precision for contiguous subsets
mircea_popescu: it'd only be fair in the fucked sense that term takes in any natural science/
jurov: i found them being +- 1BTC
mircea_popescu: draw the graph if you will, it's a symetrical butterfly.
jurov: so,i remember wrong again.. maybe i considered just narrower range
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.C290T = 0.32626257 ; O.BTCUSD.C590T = 0.06210314
mircea_popescu: there's a very speciffic=looking graph of the options breakeven points if you calc them all out
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.06157 U.S. dollars = 26.1649793 Euros
mircea_popescu: looking at it roughly : A totally took a bite of concrete, B sort of predicted something, but muchkly exaggerated.
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.02000 U.S. dollars = 26.1330466 Euros
Bugpowder: A lot of the option purchases occur when there is a large divergence between realtime spot price and 24hprc
Bugpowder: in which case, we might be able to say (the spot price predicts future 24hprc)
Bugpowder: as filtered through options purchases.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.10101, Best ask: 34.20462, Bid-ask spread: 0.10361, Last trade: 34.02000, 24 hour volume: 40252.89496290, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.95090
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the difference is small, yet i just sold 80% of the month's book
Bugpowder: that big option buy today is the exception that proves the rule
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: many times it was the case that large buys didn't match the theory
mircea_popescu: moreover, there was a huge differential for days till yest
mircea_popescu: well it was a good theory, but i don't think it meets the data so far
Bugpowder: well MY options purchases occur during divergence periods
mircea_popescu: but sometimes you made and sometimes you lost on that strategy
mircea_popescu: so in short i doubt the short term anything but weakly predicts the vwap
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 94 @ 0.002125 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.12900 U.S. dollars = 26.2167768 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7549 @ 0.00077 = 5.8127 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: love getting SMS from localbitcoins.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7382 @ 0.00077 = 5.6841 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.6 = 9.6 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: just waiting for coins to go up a bit more...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.674 = 13.48 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm just engrossed deep into taming mktdepth data to be used in google spreadsheet
jurov: since namworld failed in that
jurov: or he just exhausted all time in making pretty background, dunno
Anduck: remove 30btc fee and make it point + click
Anduck: and preferable drag&drop too
jurov: also, existing coinbr users may want to put their referral link there... but i may as well keep these 0.2% to myself :P
Bugpowder: I liked the previous one 100,000,000% more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.00610825 = 0.6719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00610824 = 3.0541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610823 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1747 @ 0.00601401 = 10.5065 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00501, Best ask: 34.12401, Bid-ask spread: 0.11900, Last trade: 34.12401, 24 hour volume: 37039.65816349, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.80800, 24 hour vwap: 33.87769
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to play path of exile with my all-female clan. bbiab.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00073887 = 11.8219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5554 @ 0.00073886 = 4.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96 @ 0.00073315 = 0.0704 BTC [-]
jurov: fuck, i forgot to run monthly fee :D
Bugpowde_: Wonder how much time he spent on that
thestringpuller: You are my favorite scientist atm. Bill Nye ain't got nuttin on you.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.71002991 = 60.3525 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.64837795 = 145.885 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.58814383 = 264.6647 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.52952177 = 357.4272 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.47272814 = 385.2734 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.41800212 = 284.2414 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.36560587 = 162.6946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 295 @ 0.31582454 = 93.1682 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.26896955 = 28.2418 BTC [+]
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 28.20780706 / 40.92334054 / 44.82313733 (no shares, 14,082.43 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no?
jurov: it should have no regard where the options come from
jurov: anyway based on my spreadsheet shenanigans, the breakeven point is a bit different from real profitability
jurov: from 44.80704907 -> 44.82313733
jurov: avg is the middle number? ah yes
Bugpowde_: Inhibitor23 reddit comment reeks of mp writing it
Bugpowde_: I never answer questions that end with "discuss"
Bugpowde_: Such a presumption that the question is worth discussion!
TradeFortress: Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
jurov: TradeFortress ask topace he's doing pt
thestringpuller: "mircea, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't confuse coinbase and coinlab. you'd also have invented antigravity and a time machine, but that's beside the point." - whatcha have to say about that mr. popescu?
gribble: Error: "id" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: jurov: is my account just inactive? I don't have to register and blah blah blah aain no?
jurov: you don't have to do anything. but it's good to check just in case
denialdenial: i havve a new nick so waht want to fight about it
jurov: i remember paying out s.bvps to someone who has withdrawn everything (perhaps thinking he'll avoid monthly fee which isn't the case)
jurov: ;;dox denialdenial
gribble: Error: "dox" is not a valid command.
jurov: as long as there's anything on your account (even if you have 0 btc), you pay
thestringpuller: congratulations! the first BTC Debt account ever created by moi cause I'm never logging back in if that's the case har har har
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 24 @ 0.20220992 = 4.853 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, i went to extra hassle to intimidate poor namworld into paying out
jurov: and this is the result. in the future i'll just terminate the asset without any recompensation >:D
mjr_: thanks for following me :)
jurov: and refer everyone to thestringpuller :D
mjr_: you are bets of bitcoins right?
mjr_: thought that was a nickname for bbet
jurov: thestringpuller, srsly. so you want to wipe the acct completely?
mjr_: yes, i see they are two different sites now
mjr_: hey jurov, sorry i am negative, should i liquidate a position or can we wait for s.dice dividends?
mjr_: i thought they would be in by now
jurov: they will be anytime till March 5
mjr_: k, if that is too long i can liquidate mpoe
mjr_: or i will just fund some more
TradeFortress: prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th
mjr_: yeah, i'll fund some more, should be in by tomorrow morning, hopefully i can scoop up some more s.dice too lol
mjr_: TradeFortress: pretty sure they will just cut it off at the 28th and the rest goes toward next month
mjr_: i know that whole group is on a trip at the moment
mjr_: but from what i saw on a forum post, it seems they had a good month
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no? << no. bot's sales only.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller : that's nice, my antigrav unit is humming quietly in the basement. now what ?
mircea_popescu: <TradeFortress> prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th << that's not how it works, divs are for feb
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.006296 = 0.2392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: EDIT: I found a formula which is almost correct for WEIGHT > 3000, it is:
mircea_popescu: Reward = TOTAL * 0.99 * MY_BET * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0) / Sum_all(winning_bets * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0))
mircea_popescu: "This is awesome! I didn't even know such an exchange existed."
jurov: maybe that dude ran critticall over bbet data
mjr_: lol, this is the best irc channel ever
mjr_: someone should really make a tv show about bitcoin...the drama lol
mjr_: note to self: start writing pilot based on bitcoins
mjr_: pilot episode for people to watch and decide to buy a season
mjr_: not that i have ever done that
mjr_: but hey how hard can it be right lol
mjr_: maybe go straight to netflix or something
jurov: i recommend it to involve satoshi building it all only for him be able to raise money for clay mugs workshop and troll around
mjr_: you know what they say...
mjr_: the man who does what he loves never works a day in his ligfe
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the funny life of this guy who lives with like, 5 chicks.
mjr_: if anyone wants to see a really crappy website, feel free to check out btcshares.com
mjr_: its basically just a placeholder
jurov: and judging from the photos, never wear hair
mjr_: except for all the copying and pasting
mjr_: that is the service i provide
mjr_: a place to donate bitcoins to me
mjr_: which is extremely annoying to me
mjr_: like i said, placeholder
mjr_: i worked on all the backend stuff today
mjr_: tomorrow i try to do design stuff
jurov: data-address="1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX"
mjr_: but i set up twitter, email, admin stuff...and got the website online
jurov: i stole ya address
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress just jabbing at you re your forum encounter
mjr_: oh for the donate button?
mjr_: yeah, well, i included that only to try it out
mjr_: and cuz i wanted to get the btcshares label for an address
mjr_: although maybe i will try to get a vanity address
mjr_: i made that site in under an hour just to test switching domain stuff and getting dns in order
mjr_: like 5 min might be more accurate as far as design and aesthetics
mjr_: i plan on just hosting my performance and financials there
mjr_: i am not as of yhet
mjr_: how do you establish trust though?
mjr_: i am not going to trade at all
mjr_: i just use exchanges
mjr_: oh, i am getting $ clients
mjr_: people who know about bitcoins probbably can figure it out for themselves
mjr_: but old people with cash can't
jurov: mjr_ if you use coinbr you can ask me to look up. i'll then rate you like "-10 did not pay coinbr monthly fee"
mjr_: although to be fair i paid most of it so far
mircea_popescu: mjr_ lisrten, that's half of the story. what do you do with the bitcoins ?
mircea_popescu: so suppose one day you loan some shares out to someone
mjr_: hopefully lend them
BitHub: i currently do this for older or newb people as well
mjr_: and i will probably eventually need a seat on mpex
BitHub: i charge a 10% helpers fee
mjr_: i also have a mining operation getting under way
mjr_: but not little puny ones
mjr_: hoping for 10GH per card
BitHub: make sure you try ordering from BFL labs today
mjr_: start with 3 cards...not the best, but still half an avalon almost
mjr_: way larger than spartans or altera's
mjr_: hoping for 10gh per
mjr_: maybe overly optimistic
mircea_popescu: but if used and a good price i guess may be a good deal
mjr_: free and sitting around
jurov: mjr_ there's sometimes a good deal on -otc too, i got amazon codes, small paypal payments and like
mjr_: 3 of those, plus maybe one virtex 5 if worth it
mircea_popescu: he has a point. also, you'd think i'd never trade. yet recently i got like a dozen sa gift certs.
mjr_: anyways, i have 3 small projects and one big one
jurov: the bitch ain't one
mjr_: the fpga miners, the boutique hedge fund, and a bitcoin horseracing sitte
mjr_: the big one...is big
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:651ee0e4570cc2d14ea53173c276c5bce82d794a92202d3779ffbf90
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 too much stuff to list. inquire within.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 3 to 5.
gribble: You rated user nefario on Tue Sep 25 02:55:21 2012, giving him a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: runs a scammy btc securities exchange . associated with the bitcoin consultancy scammer group..
gribble: You rated user davout on Sat Dec 8 05:09:24 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central.net paymium etc.
jurov: mjr_ do you know about glbse? he was its owner
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 3.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 180 @ 0.006296 = 1.1333 BTC [-]
mjr_: asicminer is from there right?
mjr_: just starting to get everything back together from what i read
mjr_: mircea do you ever use btc-e?
mjr_: or anyone else for that matter...
jurov: mjr_ only for small litecoin trades
gribble: You rated user jurov on Fri Sep 28 03:13:37 2012, giving him a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: runs coinbr.com, MPEx broker website.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4.
mjr_: lol nice $17 spread
mjr_: i switched to dollars
mjr_: oh i get what you mean
mjr_: very small dollar volume
mjr_: ah yeah, their euro book is a lot better
mjr_: well yeah, but better than dollar for sure
mircea_popescu: but they seem to me more trustworthy than anyone else on the strength of actually getting the bank partnerships right
mjr_: well, i hope to change that
mjr_: working on an aggregated order book...and then hopefully a routing and matching engine
mjr_: that is the big thing
mjr_: hoping to get a big source of volume soon
mjr_: open up a new market
mjr_: and need to provide a steady access to all markets to convince them
mjr_: that is basically what my company already does for equity markets in US
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00996 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
mjr_: buy from this dark pool, sell on that one
mjr_: so if someone would just do that for btc it would make everyone's lives a lot easier
mircea_popescu: you can probably handle it on otc if you know the rifght people
mircea_popescu: which is what makes your wot suddenly crucial for your success.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.008299 = 0.0581 BTC [-]
mjr_: well, its all about automating it
mjr_: well, my partner is working on the order flow
mjr_: and we already have some sick back end infrastructure
mjr_: data center colocation etc
mjr_: and some really nice enterprise level matching engine and algorithmic trading unit
mjr_: can i work on it tomorrow?
mjr_: if you guys are around?
jurov: tomorrow is sunday, we're closed
mjr_: i mean, what address should i use?
mjr_: should i maintain a separate one for business and personal?
jurov: mjr_ i think most of us have one common address/privkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.66 = 9.9 BTC [-]
jurov: and it isn't clear to me why/how would you want to manage separate webs of trust
mjr_: i mean as long as i run my business it would be important for me to have a high wot rating
mjr_: but if i were to leave...i couldn't leave it to someone else
BitHub: is your business pandering hard to the community or mainstream?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.0007449 = 8.29 BTC [+]
BitHub: then i wouldn't worry about WOT so much
mjr_: well, still important
mjr_: even from marketing perspective
BitHub: mainstream have no clue about it
mjr_: but you know how people list stuff on websites
mjr_: and i may need to do stuff using otc
mjr_: but would rather my corporate persona was the one who had the trust
mjr_: i don't plan on doing a lot personally
BitHub: don't get caught up in a rating war tho
BitHub: could be damaging to business rep
mjr_: like i said, i haven't used otc yet
mjr_: and maybe i might toy with it
mjr_: but i want computers to deal with stuff like that
jurov: we'll see how it goes. dunno if there was anyone who maintained corporate persona on wot
mjr_: the matching engine and such
mjr_: yeah, i kind of like how it is very personal here
BitHub: better off having a customer feedback thing on your site or osmething
BitHub: quotes from mainstream professionals
mjr_: well, as i said, my goal is to be a layer between a big mainstream source and a bunch of exchanges
BitHub: "wow this site is really good" Mark Cuban
mjr_: ideally the mainstream end users wouldn't even be aware of me
BitHub: +1 yeah we had a good trade - BitHub
mjr_: there are some companies that have 20-30k accounts
mjr_: and all those guys do is trade forex
mjr_: but they would need a STRONG source of liquidity
mjr_: and the best bids and asks
BitHub: BitHub is currently building infrastructure, investing and networking within the Bitcoin community and the Mainstream to bridge the two together to provide a very straight forward, trustworthy, professional services.
mjr_: and enterprise level hardware with some big financial people behind it
mjr_: yeah that is the goal right
mjr_: i have been disheartened by how hard it is for people on wall street to get in the game
mjr_: traders at my firm have half a mill to play with at work
BitHub: isn't it about to get alot easier for them
mjr_: yeah...believe it when i see it
BitHub: or tell your wall street buddies to buy into a bitcoin company
mjr_: not to mention...it would just be a mt gox pass through
mjr_: they don't own their positions
mjr_: and they trade with high leverage
BitHub: that's where you come in my friend as a Bitcoin Broker and you do it for these people and charge them a broker fee
mjr_: they couldn't invest outside of work
mjr_: but they can't press buttons to make bitcoins appear on their screens
BitHub: outsource some helpers from china
mjr_: and till someone makes it so that you can use etrade (def not what we use) or like a sterling or laser type platform
BitHub: they don't need to, they just go to your site, type in a code or whatever and can see their balance
mjr_: professional traders can't get involved
mjr_: i mean, their accounts with their money can't connect to my website
mjr_: and it isn't really their website
mjr_: they get to trade with 20x or more leverage
BitHub: cant you set up your own bank account and get these people to dump the fiat in there?
mjr_: but they leave all that at the office
BitHub: and then you make the bitcoin buys for them?
mjr_: basically they have to use their trading accounts
mjr_: and their trading accounts connect to nyse, nasdaq, edgea, edgex, bats etc
mjr_: so they can buy stuff from there
jurov: mjr_ have you seen bit4x.com or 1broker.com ?
mjr_: and that is how most of finance is
BitHub: so you need a bitcoin platform that can kind of plug into that exisiting platform?
BitHub: because they're using their coporate trading accounts
mjr_: i need them to be able to plug in bloomberg
BitHub: which is like really big money
mjr_: if they open up their own accounts it might be 500
mjr_: their professional accounts might be over 1 mill
mjr_: traders don't do it at home
mjr_: but again typically with their 401k or their investment account
mjr_: the goal for me is to not make them open up a new account
BitHub: hmmm follow the coinlab stuff
mjr_: but rather give them something to buy with their existing accounts
BitHub: maybe you can act as a broker for them via that site
BitHub: so they only have to deal with you
mjr_: too long; didn't read: wall street professionals don't open up new accounts for all their trades, they use their existing high margin accounts
mjr_: that's the goal for the platform, plug into existing infrastructure
mjr_: and become the gateway for that infrastructure to the bitcoin world
BitHub: but the exisiting infrastructure its not like you could plug gox right into it yeah?
BitHub: there's alot of licences, government approval wallstreet approval etc etc
Ukto: BitHub: I wouldtn btoher with coinlab
mjr_: but it is mostly a matter of getting the deal
Ukto: there will be other options for gox
Ukto: before their thing hits
Ukto: trust me on this. ;)
mjr_: my point is that everyone doesn't use nasdaq to trade aapl
BitHub: we talked about it yesterday
mjr_: even though aapl is listed on nasdaq
mjr_: i can buy aapl on any one of a ton of differrent venues
mjr_: and they all have different fees, volume, prices
mjr_: so i can pick and choose
mjr_: so someone has to offer choices and volume
mjr_: its a long tough road i think
mjr_: which is why i am more excited abvout my small easy projects
mjr_: which are already coming together
mjr_: when i showed a trader what i was doing, he was like "why aren't you scalping this all day, like do it right now"
BitHub: so i dont understand the problem
BitHub: why they cant buy bitcoins using their coporate accounts
mjr_: of course they have no way of sending an electronic order
mjr_: so let's say they call me
mjr_: because they trust me
BitHub: or do an order via your site
BitHub: if you had a live chat option like i do
mjr_: and say hey, i wanna get 1000 btc right now, what kind of price am i looking at?
mjr_: let's assume i actually had the market data to tell them
mjr_: looking at all the exchanges and finding the best price
BitHub: it would probably just be based on mtgox price
mjr_: ok, well, i have to wire the money out of my account, and then i have to wire you the money
mjr_: ok see you in 5 days then
BitHub: you cant float it for him?
mjr_: but not at that amount
mjr_: and not in any way that would make me money
mjr_: the point is to be able to use the existing accounts so i don't hve to worry about their funding
BitHub: start with 1000 dollar limit maybe
mjr_: since funding is always the worst part of bitcoin trading
mjr_: mt. gox...10+ days to verify using dwolla
BitHub: let me tell you a secret
BitHub: i buy outside of mtgox and its always cheaper than the current market price at that time
mjr_: and again, they just did a trade with their own money and it didn't really relate to their job at all
mjr_: but speed is the key here
mjr_: and also, your P&L will show your account
mjr_: not what you do with some person outside of the system
mjr_: ie. you want to have this be a trade done as part of their profession, not as a side job or something
BitHub: you need direct relationships with miners
mjr_: that is the synergy with the fpga project i have going on
BitHub: or set up a seperate branch to your company that's strickly a bitcoin mining company
mjr_: if i can get the equivalent of half an avalon
mjr_: it'll be a nice little start
mjr_: but suffice it to say
BitHub: and you can start writing off equipment and electricity against your bitcoin mining company
mjr_: lol, no cost equipment or electricity
mjr_: what i am planning on doing
mjr_: and what we are working on
mjr_: is a symbol on a platform where people already trade dollars, euros, pounds and yen
mjr_: so now it is dollars, euros, pounds yen and bitcoins
mjr_: ie. i don't have to worry abourt your funding, or settlement, i just worry about executing orders against the bitcoin exchanges
mjr_: and collecting fees
mjr_: their forex company, who has said they are interested, would take care of the accounts, but they would offer one more symbol for their traders
BitHub: so you're actually working on software?
mjr_: we have a top tier software system in place
mjr_: my boss at my day job called it "a ferrari on a dirt road" lol
BitHub: sounds good and a bit crazy what you're doing, keep my updated :)
mjr_: yeah, but it basically would have like a matching engine so say account #25671 wants to buy and account #12543 wants to sell, it can match them internally, saving us the fees from mt. gox or wherever
mjr_: that is internalization
mjr_: with 30k accounts...we can prob do quite a bit of internalization
mjr_: and with volume, we can lower our rates at gox, and cut better deals with others
BitHub: just you know whatever you do, don't let those guys ruin bitcoin hey?
mjr_: i want them to see this as an introduction
mjr_: so they start using it in everyday life
mjr_: AND, if it works, get interviewed on CNBC
mjr_: my little boutique tiny hedge fund will post some amazing gains
mjr_: well...not sure, we got the software and the servers and the location
mjr_: my partner/boss is meeting with those guys for our company (day job) but also selling them on this idea (our own side thing)
mjr_: so, if our deal goes through
BitHub: yeah of course heh nyc exchange
mjr_: it is fairly reasonable odds that this other thing goes through
mjr_: providing we can deliver a stable good source of liquidity to them
mjr_: so i am mostly working on that right now
mjr_: i think its probably 50/50 at best that it'd done in a year
mjr_: depends, i am not exactly sure what the demand would be
BitHub: i'm still a startup myself trying to figure this stuff out, based in Australia / Asia check us out sometime - bithub.asia bithub.com.au bithub.biz
mjr_: but ideally, they could move large amounts of money relatively quickly and without too much slippage
mjr_: i'm definitely hoping to partner with people in some way or another in the future
mjr_: if they can provide access to markets
mjr_: i would really like to work with bitfloor since they are NYC based, but i would like to have routes everywhere
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mjr_: also i could hopefully leave orders on bitfloors books to get liquidity rebates
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.006296 = 1.574 BTC [-]
BitHub: btw does anyone have any of those ASICMINER shares?
jurov: here someone was offering just few hrs ago
jurov: <TradeFortress> Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
mjr_: actually talked to him too
mjr_: i would love to pick up some
mjr_: lol whats funny is that that company is more like a private equity thing than public company
mjr_: people always making back room deals and stuff
BitHub: mjr i'm all about partnering up and collaboration if you want help or access to australian/asian markets in the future, lets hook it up :)
mjr_: good talking to you all
mjr_: best channel on IRC bar none
mircea_popescu: jurov for my curiosity, the guy on reddit that "couldn't waiot" till another nonfee exchange opened
jurov: maybe, he did not let me know
mircea_popescu: twitter "Why do the same people that say A baby in the womb is not life Say bacteria is considered "life" on Mars?"
mircea_popescu: me "Because there's plenty of wombs and scarcely any bacteria on Mars. Abundance cheapens."
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00643 = 0.1543 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00580008 = 5.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580007 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580006 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 38 @ 0.00580004 = 0.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580004 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00580002 = 11.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00580002 = 29.0001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00577614 = 11.5523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00569655 = 11.3931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550002 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: maybe that ian baked got some shares to sell
Ukto: kakobrekla: he wants a large price :)
Ukto: was very high is what I was told
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00077011 = 7.7011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00077012 = 0.3851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0055 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00076144 = 1.4467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00500051 = 10.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23879 @ 0.0050005 = 119.4069 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055 = 3.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16121 @ 0.0050005 = 80.6131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00500002 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40000 @ 0.0050005 = 200.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00500002 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500001 / 0.00529899 / 0.0063777 (116945 shares, 619.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00500001 / 0.00595337 / 0.0063799 (353812 shares, 2,106.38 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.0060038 / 0.007395 (6898878 shares, 41,419.50 BTC)
Bugpowder: Even with no whale, I think S.DICE is worth .005
kakobrekla: at least mpex is not closed on the weekend, right pizzaman1337 ;)
pizzaman1337: is that what percentage the dividend will be if the price is at 5?
Bugpowder: I also believe that the whale lives
Bugpowder: with a different address allocation strategy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: someone really wants to dump a big load
mircea_popescu: ya seems like someone putting in a wall at 50 would prolly get a good chunk
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "How you gonna choke a legend ? You don't think I want to choke people ? You can't just choke all your problems, it takes hard work. If I had my way, I'd never work. I could stay home all day watch Scarface 50 times, eat a turkey sandwich and have sex all fuckin day. Then I'd dress up like a clown and surprise kids at schools. Then I'd take a dump in the back of a movie theater and just wait til s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.66 = 2.64 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I'm gonna be sad if he drops to .004
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00077012 = 3.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5963 @ 0.00077014 = 4.5923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: quick someone by the fucking x.idiff.mar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it has one retarget till then, and it's not going up 200%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6431 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4555697.65506 based on data since last change | 4400318.08082 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "nextdiff" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: well maybe he is going to lose patience
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.643 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.642001 = 1.284 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: let's have some fun, I put 1 S.DICE buy on the book... maybe he'll take it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.00500001 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 223988 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1803 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4550550.25106 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.18222
mircea_popescu: i wonder if like 20 years from now when s.dice is like better than microsoft
Bugpowder: 500,000 shadow S.DICE shares being sold at .005
pizzaman1337: nobody is keeping track of trades, are they? Besides on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: that cocksucker leaves 100 shares there
kakobrekla: i wanted to get mine hit and cancel it
kakobrekla: somebody placed it after me and mine leftover was hit
pizzaman1337: I wonder if the seller is in this room, watching amused
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599993 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: scalpin the mpex spread with 1sd share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599994 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: except keep the proceeds for buying ho's skimpy outfits
pizzaman1337: you need to distribute those outfits among shareholders
mircea_popescu: that's a thought, somebody trying to cause a panic to load up
Bugpowder: I dumped my dice when I figured out no whale
Bugpowder: I bought some back when I found another network of 10,000+ coins
pigeons: it probably is him cause the other 500001's were me and this one isnt
mircea_popescu: law here is you can use receipts for deductions if < 100 lei per.
mircea_popescu: so i told the waitress to split up my bill accordingly.
pigeons: i figured i'll buy at that price and take the div
Bugpowder: 69 is a restricted number on california license plates
Bugpowder: I learned this today when checking custom plates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00550001 = 0.55 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: he seems awefully well informed for not being on irc
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder pretty much the only guy with a clue outside of irc
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00996 BTC [-]
runeks: Bugpowder: yes, I was going to get H8RSGNH8, but there's a 7 character limit
runeks: mircea_popescu: I bet that wouldn't be allowed. I mean if they ban 69...
runeks: mircea_popescu: dunno. I'm just guessing.
swhitt: there was some dude that had CUN7 or something in west virginia
swhitt: crazy west virginians.
runeks: it's always west virginians
mircea_popescu: there should be a law all virginians must be named Ian
swhitt: Ian doesn't sound very west virginian
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the big deal, some dork has CUNT on his license plate. so who cares.
mircea_popescu: "yes officer, i saw it, was a pink and green 1971 pontiac with CUNT license plates"
swhitt: it's america so everyone without anything else to do decides they have to care
swhitt: and start a crusade against it
mircea_popescu: women that don't get fucked often enough and raw enough get bored
swhitt: you'd do wonderfully in american politics :)
swhitt: probably'd get ~50% of the vote
swhitt: blame it on the hanging chad
swhitt: anyone have any bets on whom one should bet ~$20k on for asic hardware (actual hardware, not shares)?
swhitt: foregoing the fact that it is still a gamble at this point
swhitt: I have a cilent or two who are interested
runeks: If I had $20k to invest in Bitcoin it wouldn't go to any ASIC company
swhitt: runeks: yeah, I said "buy bitcoin, throw some at SDICE but keep most of it in BTC"
runeks: swhitt: I think that's good advice.
swhitt: but they are interested in hashing etc.
runeks: swhitt: what do you mean? are they interested in making money or supporting the network?
swhitt: what's ltcbtc fx rate now
swhitt: the guy's loaded and wants to geek out
swhitt: plus the prospect of making money makes it more fun I guess
swhitt: 1 ltc is only 0.0024 via btc-e now...
runeks: I have a hard time believing BFL will deliver within the next two months. but on the other hand Avalon won't either, probably (for new customers). so it doesn't look too good.
mod6: that was an awesome hockey game
mod6: missed the s.dice sale 'eh
swhitt: when is the march dividend out?
swhitt: i thought it was supposed to be today.
pigeons: complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.64 = 5.12 BTC [-]
Bowjob: i cant seem to access my coins
Bowjob: When I double click on the .exe, it doesn't start
Bowjob: I'm redownloading electrum to see whats up
mod6: did you try rebooting
Bowjob: I have the seed so I'm good
mircea_popescu: "Electrum is an easy to use Bitcoin client. It protects you from losing coins"
mod6: does the process show up in the running executables list?
Bowjob: funny, I re downloaded it, doesnt open up
mod6: what if you try to execute it from the command line, what happens?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3713 @ 0.00076397 = 2.8366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 787 @ 0.00076396 = 0.6012 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “I really have no idea how money works or budgets work.”
Zedster: do you always pat yourself on the back?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.349 = 1.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.0919 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.00999 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: last saturday john wells had no idea bitcoin even exists. this saturday he's asking his guests cogent questions about it.
mjr_: lol what up everyone
mjr_: this is too funny, every month you have people running away from s.dice's money
mjr_: quick guys they are about to pay us, sell sell sell
Bugpwoder: In a mature, efficient market, the stock price generally drops by the amount of the dividend upon dividend payout. Last two months, this anticipated drop did not occur with S.DICE.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
mjr_: in fact it drops right BEFORE dividends
Zedster: anyone aware of BTC-e having problems taking deposits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 17 @ 1.56 = 26.52 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lottoBTC read chan rules and obey them, if you wish to stay.
kakobrekla: you can also pay me 1337 btc and ill leave you alone
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.0059 = 0.5015 BTC [-]
topace_: anyone know when the sdice dividend is going ot be paid?
Eduard_Munteanu: Weird, I remember there was a list of exchanges in the topic, where is it?
mjr_: should be by tuesday the 5th i think
Eduard_Munteanu: kakobrekla: does bit4x provide a web interface for trading? I'm on Linux.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.29 = 1.45 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Eduard_Munteanu, no, you need to use MT4, you can use it in virtual machine
kakobrekla: google says its possible but i havent tested how well it works under wine
mjr_: does MT4 have an API?
kakobrekla: you can code your stuff there with MQL
mjr_: i'm working on plugging different exchanges into a smart order router/virtual crossing engine
mjr_: i'm installing it now, to play around with it, looks like a cool piece of software
mjr_: looks like a really cool app, who do you set up an account with exactly?
kakobrekla: i open live accounts in btc denomination
jurov: aka siren-maintained corporate identity xD
jurov: lol, looks even better with these rounded corners
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, what other broker is there for MPEx, other than nam's?
dub: gah what happened to rule 1 of -assets
jurov: there are also options and futures
jurov: but were not so often trade to make this type of graph usable
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, I suppose I can't see a list of assets until I deposit some BTCs?
jurov: yes, new order screen is accessible only after initial deposit
jurov: but it's the same list as mpex.co
error4733: F*** the bast*** playing less than 2000 on SDICE... 2x 15 BTC to 955 BTC
Zedster: mirc won't let me list my touring polka band
Eduard_Munteanu: Why are those options so cheap? E.g. strike price 19USD/BTC, valued at 0.566 BTC.
Zedster: every 5 mins and nothing else?
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.24860 U.S. dollars = 26.3086496 Euros
dub: Is it racist of me to ignore SebastianJu purely because I can't parse his linglinglish
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.006 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [-]
jurov: Zedster, try btct for the polka band
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00077843 = 5.449 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00076 = 0.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00077 = 0.0154 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00078 = 0.0156 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 40 @ 0.00079 = 0.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 278 @ 0.00079 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
dub: heh just got expense report for a week long road trip with 5 friends last month
dub: more of a historic pub crawl, wine tour and whiskey binge
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 70 @ 0.00504 = 0.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0059 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: finally about to break out of this channel
Zedster: bugs gotta do whats bugs gotta do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6745 = 2.698 BTC [+]
dub: comment win: Occams Taser 3 minutes ago Now try building yourself a girlfriend...
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.34800 U.S. dollars = 26.3850054 Euros
dub: Diablo-D3: beserker punch doom style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550004 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00550003 = 3.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0055 = 3.85 BTC [-]
jurov: pre-divs sale goes on
Diablo-D3: dub: the only thing I remember from doom is the fucking lobster claw
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00999 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
dub: I wish I was a little bit shorter, wish I wasnt a baller, wish I had a girl who looked bad, I wouldnt call her?
dub: wish I had usagi in a hat with a bat and a '84 skoda
dub: the fuck is going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00076889 = 0.8842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.00077069 = 16.566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4663223.55823 based on data since last change | 4470188.64953 based on data for last three days
jurov: iDiff-E selling for 6.1 now for beliebers ;)
jurov: *no, it's iDiff-O March
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.36999 U.S. dollars = 26.4018974 Euros
Ukto: First backed asicminer shares trading live
dub: strangely that word (as much as it is worth) doesn't appear in the profile
dub: Shares total: 1 bajillion/Shares Issued: tiny fraction/Issuer may arbitrarily manipulte share value: yes
Ukto: it states that all shares are verified with friedcat
Ukto: I will get that changed
Ukto: terra went to be already tho -_-
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.002 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 84 @ 0.0019 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]
jurov: Any public votes presented by ASICMINER to all shareholders of ASICMINER may be voted on BitFunder towards a single decision by the G.ASICMINGER-PT shareholder account.
jurov: Ukto either there will be voting support or someone is due for a headache?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00581 = 2.905 BTC [-]
Ukto: supposedly there will be no public votes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00599998 = 18.8819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1853 @ 0.00599999 = 11.118 BTC [+]
jurov: better to just say shares have no voting rights
jurov: cuz trolls will be trolling inevitably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.624 = 6.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.6235 = 14.964 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6221 = 6.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0059 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000789 = 0.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.0058 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00572 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 31 @ 0.00571 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.00799 = 0.799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.002129 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
topace_: anyone want to test pushing units from mpex to havelock?
topace_: yea, to allow others to get in on the mpex->havelock arbitrage
topace_: 1) push shares to my fingerprint
topace_: 2) paste receipt into havelock website
topace_: 3) i manually approve transfer (for now)
topace_: once im sure its working well, ill remove the manual transfer
topace_: or, only require it on very large transfers
kakobrekla: i mean the question here is y u open this at all
topace_: i think there needs to be a way for people to freely move shares between mpex and the passthru's and maybe even between the passthrus themselves
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 455 @ 0.00072 = 0.3276 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Your request to push 1000 unit(s) of S.DICE to Havelock Investments has been received. Push requests are currently processed manually (so expect 1-48 hours processign time), but will be automated in the future.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 500 @ 0.00213 = 1.065 BTC [+]
topace_: kakobrekla: approved. should show in your account now
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 935 @ 0.0022 = 2.057 BTC [+]
topace_: hmm wonder what its showing for your book value? obviously it wont be able to calculate that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00249 = 0.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00249 = 0.0249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 497 @ 0.0025 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
topace_: kakobrekla: umm somethings wrong tho.
topace_: it should have given you 10 shares, not 100
topace_: think i might add bbet this week
topace_: well at least there was nothing wrong with the code, i just had the multiple set wrong.
topace_: not yet... but thats the easier of the two to code
topace_: give me your fingerprint and ill push em back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00077069 = 7.2445 BTC [+]
topace_: ill add the push back form probably tomrrow or tuesday
topace_: it'll be a push request, and manually approved on my side, same as the push in request.. at least until im sure its working 100%
topace_: gotta go vacuum now, or gf will kill me when she gets home
kakobrekla: first pusing off mpex now cleaning before the lady gets home
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.40001, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 34.40001, 24 hour volume: 12439.22704040, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.50000, 24 hour vwap: 34.12774
jurov: next door at -otc, litecoin fpga firmware is cooking
jurov: "dont fpgas go out of style as fast as CPUs do?"
jurov: just because it needs much memory. if someone figures out how to hook memory to fpga and make it fast...sky is the limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6216 = 3.108 BTC [+]
jurov: and on -dev they took on to optimize satoshidice, again :)
jurov: i wonder why i haven't seen the idea of applying hashcash to *every* transaction
jurov: like, tx won't be accepted if you didn't some little hashing yourself
jurov: asked about that yest
jurov: can't remember any concrete outcome
jurov: some discussion about optimized choosing of unspent outputs at most
jurov: i guess you'll end up having to defragment the bitbet wallet occassionally
jurov: to prevent situations
mircea_popescu: so why the fuck are they fixing other people's problems
mircea_popescu: "o, what needs to be done is too hard, o, we're too stupid, let's do something else instead"
jurov: lol, i have to make closed source wallet defrag tool.. and sell it for 1BTC. or at least accept donations
mircea_popescu: and have the same dorks whine about how you're ruining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect the reason satoshi made himself scarce was that he was getting sick of dealing with the current team of devs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.6216 = 4.3512 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6197 BTC [-]
Bowjob: LTC went up to 10 cents
Eduard_Munteanu: BTW, how do you manage shares traded on your exchange? I hear asicminer people had to do some manual bookkeeping. Do you keep an exchange-local tab?
Eduard_Munteanu: But then I suppose you can't trade shares outside the exchange.
jurov: Eduard_Munteanu, you asking mircea?
jurov: he already admitted he has girls for that
jurov: and yes, the shares don't go outside exchange. this is why we have all these passthroughs
Eduard_Munteanu: Ideally shares could work like BTC, I wonder if that's possible.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu that's not ideal. it's actually a bad idea. the horse has been discussed to death
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.61 = 3.05 BTC [-]
Eduard_Munteanu: But isn't there a crypto way to accomplish the same thing, perhaps different than BTC? You still need exchanges.
Eduard_Munteanu: If this has been discussed on the forums, I'd be glad to read those threads.
Eduard_Munteanu: Unlike BTCs, shares are by definition centralized I suppose.
mircea_popescu: (Selling was halted during the month of Feb. to change payment methods.)
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin pride averages a 70% profit. Don't you want a piece of the pie too?
mircea_popescu: who was saying they've eaten up their market earlier ? they had a point it seems
BitHub: so they're losing money each month?
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: I see the problem. Still, wouldn't an exchange / market-maker be able to eliminate all those delays for things traded within the exchange? Not sure how one'd deal with double spending if you don't wait for confirmations.
kakobrekla: the formula it seems is Income( rand() ) - 1 grand = profit
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unless the sqrt log guy has a better solution, i think you're spot on.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: yes. And committing changes to the blockchain periodically. The exchange is still pretty important, but at least you can move stuff between exchanges in a standard way.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not sure about OTC trading, but presumably you could do it manually somehow.
mircea_popescu: if you can do it automatically like topace is trying you necessarily can do it manually too
mircea_popescu: the way asicminer is playing this game makes me scratch my head.
mircea_popescu: so they're pointedly not coming to be listed on mpex, jump through the hoops and get my ok.
mircea_popescu: instead they're waiting for btct/bf/others run passthroughs
mircea_popescu: now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ?
mircea_popescu: Ukto, burnside and whoever else involved gets scammer tags ? or what ?
Eduard_Munteanu: You're saying they're intentionally delaying listing on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they're either through sheer incompetence, sheer lack of resources or by actually being frauds behave just like a fraud would.
Eduard_Munteanu: IDK, getting listed should've been negotiated even before the IPO, in my opinion. People have to have some way to buy / sell those stocks easily.
dub: sound slike something to do with selling shares
dub: which is, as we know, not how you invest!
dub: oh right, where he lists bitcoins: he is counting litecoins
pigeons: yeah as btc was going up, ltc was going down to track the dollar and stay at .07 usd rather than stay at a ratio to btc
dub: bfl realy do deserve some kind of award
dub: they should be held up as a shining example of how to fail at pr
mircea_popescu: nah, coinlab is the shining example of how to fail at pr.
pigeons: we brought bitcoin to wall street in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: "drunk whore stumbles into wallstreet bar, announces she's brining the clap to wall street"
dub: im not sure if hiring inaba or letting your userbase add content at a yourdomain.com/blog/ url IS DUMBER
dub: it took quite a few moments to decipher that I was not actually reading an official bfl blog
mircea_popescu: sooo, three chicks drank four liters of vodka in two days.
dub: I should delve into this road trip expenses sheet
dub: yes, 6 people, 6 days, 10k
Bowjob: apparently we have a new ASIC company that is ready to ship
Bowjob: this one's from hungary
BitHub: where can i place a bet that coinlab will be out of business by end of year?
mircea_popescu: BitHub on bitbet, if you can well define out of business
BitHub: well maybe not out of business
BitHub: what i want to bet on this being a huge fail
dub: theres only $633 worth of whiskey listed here, I don't think thats accurate
dub: I recall at least 4 bottles that where brought from home
BitHub: wish i live near hungary
Bowjob: if its legit, I'll fly over there to pick a couple of them
BitHub: i would sell my car today and go get one tomorrow
Bowjob: I don't know the price yet
BitHub: where everything is expensive
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought it was teh lion/bear licesning regime
dub: I heard that on the radio a few days ago, first thought 'wonder if mp shows up on irc today'
BitHub: better not touch my pet tiger
mircea_popescu: the idea that you need a permit for stuff is certainly new here
BitHub: bit of a long shot but would anyone be able to help me out and send one of those to Australia?
BitHub: customs will probably take it and start mining themselves
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You are beginning to see some of the strange contradictory nature of the asicminer people, I think, that I've been complaining about for months.
dub: why is it a mess to export?
dub: its a computer, we have been shipping these around the place for a wee while now
dub: customs can test for bombliness
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You mentioned earlier that they are behaving fraudulently-like.. This is permeating more than just the way they are handling their stocks, but elsewhere as well, and it's troubling because unethical people in their position, could conceivably have done a much larger order to start with than what they are reporting, and the attraction of doing double-spends is quite large if, indeed, the evidence is correct when
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic well, i don't know the whole thing, but from this angle it looks more like they're clueless/haven't been thinking things through/haven't slept in weeks
mircea_popescu: tho its quite possible they're ill intended too, sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would be very interested to hear from you if you discover that they aren't just clueless, but seemingly deliberately clueless.
midnightmagic: Or if you begin to make observations that suggest it is not pure ignorance.
mircea_popescu: but so far my belief is they just don't understand finance
midnightmagic: dub: And yet ngzhang is one of the most ethical businesspeople I've seen in a long time.
dub: midnightmagic: I'll assume you're being facetious?
midnightmagic: dub: I am not. ngzhang is extremely ethical, or else Icarus wouldn't exist.
dub: lets deal with teh first question, my mind is somewhat boggling
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of scummy americans, iranians, turks and eskimos in this world
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Eskimos don't like being called Eskimos. :)
dub: midnightmagic: this is the the same dude involved in avalon right? the 'we shipped' guy
midnightmagic: dub: The "we shipped and they're sitting in customs at the beginning of CNY." and also , "Geez, with all this negativity, maybe we'll just be quiet until there's actually something to talk about." guys..
midnightmagic: dub: Also the latest update, "Rest of the units will have been shipped by around Mar 10, everyone should have batch #1 in hand by about mid-March" people.
dub: pitty they're not 'here are the tracking numbers' people though really
dub: anyway, being chinese decreases ones ability to think strategically and reason counterfactually
dub: this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death
midnightmagic: If you're jerking my chain, your delivery is too dry.
dub: im not, try meeting some chinese people
dub: I hear there are a couple up your way
dub: we'll I don't but based on past discussions I think its rather unlikely
dub: you are far too empathetic for one
midnightmagic: dub: I'm at a loss here to meaningfully discuss this with you. I don't know where to start. If you're serious, I'm fairly sure we are so alien that there is basically no common ground on which to meaningfully converse for this topic.
dub: anyway, if you remove any racist overtones you have automatically inferred, it explains a lot about the comms we've seen from avalon and asicminer
dub: midnightmagic: you're gettign there, its par for the course with you (you'd make a terrible anthropologist)
midnightmagic: dub: Is it now. I'm.. glad you're paying such close attention to my activity that you think you have me pegged.
dub: midnightmagic: I don't really have time to go through this, there is quite a bit of literature out there
kakobrekla: During the BDT experience, because i was very concerned about the high interest bond and the lack of supporting high revenues i've made the decision (unethical, possibly illegal) to repurpose some of the funds raised with the IPO.
kakobrekla: Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0059 = 0.0295 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: dub: Much of the literature usually cited to conclude such things has been thoroughly debunked, so perhaps someday when you're willing to cite, after making such assertions, I'd be glad to read and evaluate such studies.
dub: midnightmagic: regarding the chinese, not your culteral naivety
dub: yes, well I'm more of an experience guy than a take debunkment at face value guy. Dorkins calls it the belief gene, though I don't really believe it exists.
midnightmagic: dub: Making negative assertions about the person you are having a discussion with is not usually productive. I'm readjusting my evaluation of your random, seemingly-connected comments post-statement.
dub: midnightmagic: its an observation grounded in experience, not a negative assertion
midnightmagic: dub: I'm fairly sure your evaluation of my cultural "naivete" is based on incomplete data.
midnightmagic: dub: Also, if you are an experience guy, then why are you pointing to external data as the foundation of your assertions rather than just your experience?
dub: midnightmagic: thats easy, it closely mirrors what I have observed
mircea_popescu: <dub> this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death << it's not genetic, it's cultural.
midnightmagic: dub: I'll presume you are aware of the notion of confirmation bias.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment. <<< ahaha epic
dub: midnightmagic: and I'f I were a victim of that would I need to have read about this before or after observing it?
midnightmagic: dub: ALl that's required is that you reject well-grounded studies that disagree with your opinion, while selecting out those studies which agree with it or reinforce it in some fashion.
dub: I guess at some point, some people like to actually form an opinion
midnightmagic: dub: Sure, course. Nothing wrong with an opinion so long as data can update it.
dub: the problem is you can likely produce data to refute any opinion as can I
midnightmagic: dub: Lots of people think that, but it is also possible to assess the quality of the data. So, IMO, no, it's not possible to find quality data which refutes any opinion.
dub: i'd like to continue this and know it looks like weasling out
dub: but im not in a meeting, on teh phone, and working to a thight deadline
midnightmagic: I'm sorry you think that. You should realise that the implication is that I am aserting my mind can be changed.
dub: and typing without looking at my screen
midnightmagic: Unlike most people, I am not interested (this time) in simply honing my ability to refute. If and when you come up with actual cites, I'd be happy to look them up. I still have fulltext research credentials at the local university.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [-]
BitHub: so what happened with sdice divs?
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <evoorhees> perfect
dub: midnightmagic: a little while ago there was a conversation where you appeared to be floored by the notion that in some locations/cultures the base assumption of a strangers actions being altruistic was false
Eduard_Munteanu: I wonder if bitcoiners are going to experiment with different governance rules / contracts than you usually see in the real world. Which is usually majority of shares.
midnightmagic: dub: I was floored by the fact that it was so *in that specific locale*.
dub: midnightmagic: its not the only time you have appeared to me to base your arguments around a world view couched in priviledged western culture
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mircea_popescu pledges to be the benevolent dictator of MPEx forever, after reading a bit through the contract.
mircea_popescu: if at least he had the guts to post something like "Same"
dub: midnightmagic: my memory of it is different, I don't think we were discussing a specific place, only the existence of such places
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect there's like five balls in three ballsacks available in the entire continental us.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, did Silk Road ever approach you? To get listed, raise money and so forth.
dub: anyway, if I don't want this PM to actually climb up my ass I need to deliver some shit so I'm closing this term
midnightmagic: dub: It is a cultural perversion of what appears to be the most successful strategy for human progress.
BitHub: take the girls up and down the river? wtf
BitHub: i thought you were talkig about your daughters or something, till i click on the pics lul wtf
Eduard_Munteanu: Hmm, you know... they also said underground resources belong to the state... wouldn't surprise me if they deem Bitcoin mining a national resource as well. :)
BitHub: lul and these girls are your friends and you just hang out wtih them?
BitHub: making a porno or something?
BitHub: i hope that's me in 5 years haha
BitHub: trying to be realistic
BitHub: it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho
mircea_popescu: srsly, girls are easy. you just have to make them feel safe they'll do anything.
BitHub: money first, then girls
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1134 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.29248665 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22360455 = 223.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19808896 = 198.089 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: BitHub> money first, then girls (this does work well)
Chaang-Noi: anyone happen to know off the top of their head how many avolons were made in batch one? or the total hashing power?
thestringpuller: based on a 500,000 NRE cost on the chips I assume there will be at least 600 total on the first "batch" of chips
Chaang-Noi: i want to know how much asic miner shares are worth
Chaang-Noi: just wonder if bfl will fail hard, are they still bumping or whatever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550011 = 5.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [-]
dub: midnightmagic: indeed, saw an interesting article about the very young having much greater altrustic tendancies which increases survival odds in an 'all the adults are dead' scenario
midnightmagic: dub: I'm trying to dig up the log because I'm curious what I was thinking at the time. I've actually grown up in a place (yes, they exist even in Canada) where one must assume the stranger is evil.
midnightmagic: dub: Do you have any more keywords for me to search on?
dub: midnightmagic: egrep -i '(dub.*eastern.*europe)' \#bitcoin-assets.log
dub: amusing false positive: 29-11-12-13:45<mircea_popescu> kakobreklaaa it's sharpie in pooper you person of dubious eastern european origin you
dub: midnightmagic: 12-12-12-20:59
midnightmagic: dub: *AWESOME* you just found for me the reference to the mpoe-pr boob pic that I've been searching for forever.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man, in that log on that day you're talking about that boobpic I've been trying to grep for forever.
mircea_popescu: you've prolly given bithub even more determination charges.
mircea_popescu: "<BitHub> it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho"
midnightmagic: dub: All I see is "[18:01:08] <midnightmagic> dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear." I guess all I can say is that's not a statement born of ignorance.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.42598, Best ask: 34.57010, Bid-ask spread: 0.14412, Last trade: 34.42349, 24 hour volume: 14866.21945414, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.21380
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 72000 @ 0.00175 = 126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00196988 = 0.9849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 555 @ 0.00196989 = 1.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1945 @ 0.00197 = 3.8317 BTC [+]
Bowjob: dice took a beating today
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.00999 = 0.3497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175879 / 0.00197 (75000 shares, 131.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00175 / 0.00177002 / 0.00197 (79299 shares, 140.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165663 / 0.00197 (127408 shares, 211.07 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 29 @ 0.0059 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I got out of dice just before it came tumbling
Bowjob: im pissed I have900 shares left..
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 70 @ 0.099 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
Bowjob: BTC is getting more and more valuable
Bowjob: and less and less people bet
maximian: less and less people bet? Doesn't look like it
maximian: Bitcoin should be renamed "Satoshi Dice presents Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: after 2 years of pretty much nothing but scam after scam after scam many feel uneasy about keeping btc invested in same place
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the guy who cashed his bank account because he wanted to count his money ? something of the sort.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7 @ 0.00077068 = 0.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 493 @ 0.00077068 = 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550001 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0059 = 4.13 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60667, Best ask: 34.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00333, Last trade: 34.61000, 24 hour volume: 14786.71661983, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22162
Namworld: mircea_popescu &/or kakobrekla
Namworld: BBET statement says 5.44167918 BTC to be distributed as dividends. On 10 million shares, that's like 54.4 satoshi per share, but MPEx shows 32 satoshi per share. What's with that?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.45894, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04106, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 15041.28017977, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22749
mircea_popescu: Namworld mpex got confused by the mistaken notion that 5mn shares are actually out
Namworld: So long as the amount shown in my stats are good. But odd for the display.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "с умопомрачительным дизайном и таким же юзабилити :)"
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Molecular. That bet paid out already
Bugpowder: There was some issues with transaction size limits, info in a triilrma post
molecular: Bugpowder, I thought it'd state the payouts on the site... rechecking, maybe I just overlooked
Bugpowder: 1mb was too small for the total transaction! Had to be split
Bowjob: The dude now has 5 of those babies
midnightmagic: Bowjob: One of their Chinese customers stripped it apart I think and took a picture.
Bowjob: when i get mine, id be making $30 a day lol
Bowjob: I just hope BFL fucks up again, just pleaseee
Bowjob: looks like avalon will deliver their promise by april 1st
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Last update said something about all b#1 orders will have been shipped by mar 10, and everyone should have them by mid- to end of march..
midnightmagic: I really never thought Avalon would beat them all to the punch like this.
midnightmagic: I threw some orders at them just for the appreciation of their work with Icarus.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's an avalon/asicminer tie so far, apparently.
Bowjob: so its avalon 1, then bfl 1.. then avalon 2?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: *technically* Avalon boxes started hashing first. :)
Bowjob: then theres this hungarian company that apparently made an asic as well
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And in the hands of actual customers..
Bowjob: hungary.. is it a safe place?
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's also a 22nm asic SOC vendor that's farming out chips to board designers.
Bowjob: yeah, yifu is interested in that as well
Bowjob: mining competition is gonna be really tough this year
Bowjob: my electricity costs are 10 cents per kwh
Bowjob: well, its 6.8 cents for the first 1350 KW, then the rest is billed at 10.12 cents thereafter
Bowjob: electricity doesnt matter at this point.. not yet anyway
midnightmagic: Bowjob: consumer wins, we just have to time our buys right..
Bowjob: its the first who gets the asic
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I suspect if we care about power consumption now, we'll end up winning in the long run. They're all priced approximately the same.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's an *enormous* wave of mining customers coming soon-ish due to the sudden tidal wave price. Getting in line at this point for summertime asic is going to be a bad move..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17 @ 0.00560002 = 0.0952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00076564 = 4.6819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00077068 = 3.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1357 @ 0.00077069 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00983 = 0.0983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.009821 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 28 @ 0.0075 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00573 = 0.573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00561 = 0.561 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.20000, Best ask: 35.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 35.30000, 24 hour volume: 28845.84682379, 24 hour low: 33.98600, 24 hour high: 35.35000, 24 hour vwap: 34.73691
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 290 @ 0.00561 = 1.6269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 319 @ 0.00561 = 1.7896 BTC [-]
Namworld: Who wants some S.DICE before the dividend arrives?
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4859710.18648 based on data since last change | 4903754.75592 based on data for last three days
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.00000, Best ask: 36.00714, Bid-ask spread: 0.00714, Last trade: 36.00000, 24 hour volume: 34856.36975002, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.15000, 24 hour vwap: 34.95547
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.595 = 1.785 BTC [-]
Namworld: price going up again and again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.595 = 7.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 555 @ 0.00594999 = 3.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 445 @ 0.00595 = 2.6478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00076784 = 5.199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1779 @ 0.00077999 = 1.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.595 = 3.57 BTC [-]
maximian: Anyone know where Erik has been travelling?
Namworld: I think he went to the Earth's core or something. Unfortunately there's no vehicle capable of reaching there and he started his journey by jumping in a volcano.
Namworld: Spouting random made up stuff.
TomServo: Isn't that the beginning of the Scientology story?
maximian: Maybe he's working on selling S.DICE to the crab people
Namworld: I thought spouting random stuff was Bitcoin's national sport.
Namworld: But apparently what I'm saying was not random at all.
mircea_popescu: "everything new in this world is the history you didn't know"
maximian: So, someone moved 10,000 BTC back into MPEx:
Bugpowder: its funny that he moved it all in instead of just 1750 though
Bugpowder: because that address is from when he withdrew 10k last time
Bugpowder: and he said on the forum that he just deposited
Bugpowder: prop up the S.DICE value post div ;-)
maximian: maybe he just didn't think about it, was in a hurry
topace: i dunno, if i was moving $350000 wort of coins, i think i'd stop to "think about it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1868 @ 0.00077999 = 1.457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00078 = 7.786 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but maybe I don't understand the backend
mircea_popescu: 13mn in third party hands on the market + 37 mn in erik's hands on the market = 50mn
mircea_popescu: +50mn which make up the golden ticket = 100mn, whole float.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31083, Best ask: 36.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12917, Last trade: 36.33499, 24 hour volume: 41528.95196789, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.50000, 24 hour vwap: 35.17091
maximian: So he still has to pay divs to the 37mn shares that aren't on the market?
Bugpowder: I new I should have waited a few more hours before buying something on bitcoinstore.com
maximian: I should say, that he hasn't sold yet
Bugpowder: the confusion may come in the Dividends box
maximian: So shouldn't last month's divs have been 10,000 BTC instead of 2,000?
mircea_popescu: maximian but last month there literally were only 10mn on the market.
mircea_popescu: mpex won't let someone pay fewer shares than actually are issued
mircea_popescu: so every time a dividend is pay you actually know the actual exact total, from the receipt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00078 = 4.68 BTC [+]
maximian: good to know. I had forgotten that the contracted allowed for evoorhees to put another 40mn shares on the market last month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00594999 = 5.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: someone declares X dividends, he'd better be able to show the cash too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00595 = 2.1123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00597999 = 11.96 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4825329.9214 based on data since last change | 4946742.16185 based on data for last three days
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is not identified.
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.70000 U.S. dollars = 28.2568525 Euros
gribble: 1 XAU = 1573.500000000000 USD = 43.0861572542 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3333 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 30 @ 0.33317 = 9.9951 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The price of a 25BTC Casascius coin > 1 Kruggerand.
Bugpowder: I should take a side by side pic and post to reddit as well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'FabianB', with hostmask 'FabianB!~ogg@unaffiliated/fabianb', is identified as user fabianb, with GPG key id 797C1106D52E79DF, key fingerprint 9B854E5F36B927C9C365F208797C1106D52E79DF, and bitcoin address 18Wnjc1fcWDboZDHNsn48URtwGaqRjPnAt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.655 = 3.275 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.65 = 10.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
jurov: you're out of options? so early in month?
ZedsterX: there goes all my shares cuz getting BTC in DK over the weekend sucks
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34499 = 1.725 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao "Budapest is known for a hub of scamming activity"
jurov: that primeasic thread starts being juicy
jurov: well, if the hungarian govt is considered, that's fair assessment
parseval: Nice, the asicminer pass-through went active
jurov: mircea, have you seen wikipedia's world penis length map?
jurov: hungary looks like a piece of africa there
dub: temptation to sell rising
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: i hope kim dotcom gets credit for inventing bitcoin
Lyspooner: he's a much more flamboyant leader than, say, gavin
ZedsterX: isn't budapest Rocco Siffredi's home?
Lyspooner: he will portray himself that way and the media will follow along
dub: idk about stupid, takes some ability to copy a business model and make buttloads off it
mircea_popescu: since they took ford's model and are currently raping the americans with it.
dub: I didn't say they were stupid
dub: I thought his new project was inventing crypto
dub: Lyspooner: what does your question relate to?
Lyspooner: it's on the bottom of the mpex list of contracts
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is identified as user burnside, with GPG key id 990D4DB54ECDA3C6, key fingerprint 2EEB40C9DF5E25E6BD3A7BF8990D4DB54ECDA3C6, and bitcoin address None
burnside: <mircea_popescu> now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ? -- I think we would have to do the AML paperwork.
mircea_popescu: burnside i'm just saying, you are underwriting a lot of risk that you can't control.
burnside: definitely. thus the disclaimers in the contract.
burnside: I'm more worried about their competition beating them out though than I am about friedcat running off.
mircea_popescu: it's not your fault, best i can see, just asicminer acting very weird.
burnside: Yeah, I can't figure out if it's the lack of sleep, or what.
dub: what is the weird acting?
mircea_popescu: dub baiscally they choked their investors by refusing to list to the point that people out of sheer desperations made private pts
mircea_popescu: now one of the most promising ipos of the year so far has been reduced to a 70 btc opening day.
Namworld: god, why did I sold all these ASICMINER shares for 0.40 =/
dub: Namworld: want to buy some?
Namworld: I sold some time ago? Before she even said anything I believe.
burnside: tbh tho, 0.4 is still 4x what you got 'em for, no?
burnside: not a bad return on ~6 months?
ZedsterX: i want to buy some but banks are too slow
Namworld: Also if Friedcat had shares trading again after GLBSE closed you would probably have been able to buy back my ASICMINER cheap to fill that short contract.
mircea_popescu: Namworld at any point between october and january they could have listed and been tip top shape
dub: mircea_popescu: so in reality your 'acting weird' could simply be explained by, inability to strategize
dub: to me its just acting chinese
mircea_popescu: i've not fucked enough chinese girls to have a clue so far.
Namworld: Instead of lending to Amazingrando.
dub: the failure here is your preconception of normal thiking
Anduck: Namworld: how much they're paying now?
Namworld: ASICMINER already sent a first payment?
mircea_popescu: in other news, mpex db dump has been optimized to take up less space. nothing's broken, it's just naturally halfsized.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: yeah they paid 0.025 btc/share
Namworld: hmm... If you had bought back then 10k USD of bitcoins at 5 USD each for 2k BTC
Anduck: how much are they selling those shares for?
Anduck: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
Anduck: couldnt do it urself???
Namworld: and bought 20k ASICMINER (10k USD). You'd now have 20k x 0.65 BTC = 13 000 BTC worth
Namworld: or close to half a million dollar at today's prices
mircea_popescu: Namworld no. things don't scale like that. you'd have ~70 btc's worth of shares and 12930 btc worth of paper & dreams.
Anduck: i bought asicminer with all my glbse stack xD
Namworld: mircea: I'm only evaluating current trading price.
Anduck: but -really- they buy asicminer for 0.65?? =D
Namworld: As long as ASICMINER keeps up like that.
mircea_popescu: Anduck i think if you push burnside your stocks you get the pt and can trade
Namworld: You could sell part for your initial 2k BTC no problem tho.
ThickAsThieves: you can push to Deadterra on BF too, he's free, and takes 0% of divs
Anduck: nah i dont wanna trade, mp
mircea_popescu: no Namworld. if asicminer keeps up like it's currently doing it'll go to shit.
mircea_popescu: but this is a. less than dividends for most stocks b. much less than mpoe bonds etc.
Namworld: But daily interest, callable at face value anytime.
Namworld: I guess the possibility to withdraw at face value anytime is interesting enough.
mircea_popescu: we totally have to shed these paycheck loan faces off btc already
dub: Namworld: you pay interest daily? as divs oslt
blu3gr1ffon: I used to work in title loans and payday lending.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1231 = 12.31 BTC [+]
Namworld: Comes to 300 satoshi per 0.01 BTC share daily.
B0g4r7_: I always wondered what would happen if I brought in the title to my wrecked car.
burnside: wow ltc is back on the rise. Network Hash Rate 1,018.123 GH/s
B0g4r7_: If I tried at a few different loan places the odds get pretty good.
blu3gr1ffon: B0g4r7_: we did, full checks. does it run, does it go into reverse, is anything spewing.
blu3gr1ffon: then we'd give them 1/4 - 1/2 NADA value. they'd give us title
blu3gr1ffon: we housed at our associates property. tow lot.
B0g4r7_: Throw in a bail bondsman, a PI, and a debt collection agency and you've got a full house.
blu3gr1ffon: WE got into it from check cashing, so we were half-way there.
blu3gr1ffon: in house collections. nice to know a skilled skip tracer
blu3gr1ffon: course, internets makes their job easier these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: in 2001 kim dotcom bought 375,000 EUR worth of shares in letsbuyit.com and subsequently announced is intention to invest 50 million euros in the company.
Lyspooner: the announcement caused the share value of letsbuyit.com to jump and dotcom cashed out, making a profit of 1.5 million eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 661 @ 0.005501 = 3.6362 BTC [+]
dub: pretty sure he's gettign extradited from nz
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27000, Best ask: 36.27099, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 36.27700, 24 hour volume: 44153.48588405, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.37953
dub: he's on some form of bail iirc
dub: judge gave him bail after a bunch of illegal shit about his arrest surfaced
mircea_popescu: the usual "we confiscate all your money now you go ahead hire lawyers"
dub: and the lulzy.. spook dept. that isnt allowed to spy on nz citizens, didn't know he was a citizen
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02900, Last trade: 36.30000, 24 hour volume: 44219.25916777, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.38096
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.30000 U.S. dollars = 27.9488759 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00525106 = 2.6255 BTC [-]
dub: Kim is about to dump, suggset panic selling
Bugpowder: nah he is gonna pump this shit up.
Bugpowder: Now my wife's girlfriends are asking me how to buy coins.
Bugpowder: when they tip you off. Time to sell.
dub: sup, you Kim Dotcom?
mjr___: by the way, good job on the OIX mircea
mjr___: just referred my friend
mjr___: he signed up for coinbr, did the referral code and all that work out right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077308 = 6.7258 BTC [-]
jurov: but he has to fund to be able to do anything ofc.
jurov: ah, that was him. yes, it's well.
mjr___: waiting on it to verify now, i think
mjr___: haven't checked blockchain info in a few min
jurov: oh someone sent 30 yest.. so this is other one
mjr___: i'm actually on his comp right now, he prob goes by pgp
mjr___: but he hasn't talked much on this channel
mjr___: your the best jurov thanks a bunch
jurov: :) had to forward it, need to wait a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0056 = 16.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.596 = 12.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
dub: dice div come through?
kakobrekla: assbot will tell you when that happens
jurov: mircea_popescu, will you delist s.dice if erik won't make it in 3 hours?
jurov: it says before 5th
mircea_popescu: (e)The representatives of SatoshiDice solemnly promise and warrant that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
mircea_popescu: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss SatoshiDice will pay to shareholders
mircea_popescu: well... e he did, f however no. let's see what he's up to
Bowjob: I was leaning on "yes" since apparently they are getting their shit together.. now im not sure again
Bowjob: Yifu apparently bet on the BFL march bet and won a fuckton
Bowjob: he's probably the one who put up 300++ BTC
Bowjob: mhm. I thought it was you
dub: trendon shavers showing up in my linkedin cloud
dub: I have no bitcoiners on there so srsly wtfing
iz: and endorce him for pyramid marketing
dub: I must have stalked them at some point
guruvan: what's up in here - been a minute since I've been in
guruvan: ohai MP - how's things? good to see you
B0g4r7_: Does bitbet work linke BoB where they close the statement to betting if it becomes moot?
guruvan: mircea_popescu: bitbet looks pretty good - was checking it out today some
B0g4r7_: Like, suppose BFL ships March 10, will the bet still be open?
B0g4r7_: I know they won't but if they did...
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 nah, once it's clear a bet ended early they get closed
B0g4r7_: "If no product has shipped by February 28th/2013, the product shall be considered vapourware and the statement shall be ruled as draw."
B0g4r7_: I just got refunded for that one.
mircea_popescu: wtf bullshit bfl sponsored meni rosenfeld crap is this
mircea_popescu: "we're making a bet except if we lose it's really get our money back"
dub: why does only faggy shit get through bash.org mods
Bugpowder: yeah I was going to drop major coin on that bfl bet, then I read the fine print.... DRAW?
dub: none of the comedy gold I've submitted over the years has made it
B0g4r7_: "This is gold, Jerry! Pure gold!"
Bowjob: lol. Im confused now.. I want to be on blue.. but WTF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.005501 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: It's the 10% of advertised specs part that has me worried
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4900626.90236 based on data since last change | 4958374.43923 based on data for last three days
B0g4r7_: Maybe primeasic pirated Avalon's chip design.
B0g4r7_: It'd be about right for the power numbers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5951 = 2.3804 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
jurov: if avalon is really a fpga's hardcopy, baybe they just used same blob
B0g4r7_: hardcopy doesn't come in QFN.
mircea_popescu: it'd be really retarded to make asics as fpga hardcopy wtf.
Bowjob: who knows about blockhain.info here
Bowjob: they are posting the wrong totals on my account
Bowjob: it should have 195 BTC on that address, not 169
Bowjob: my electrum says 195..
Bowjob: this transaction doesnt make sense, I only spent 56 BTC here
dub: every other bash quote is from some homo efnet oper
dub: its a fucking circlejerk
B0g4r7_: Bowjob, the rest got sent to a "balance address".
Bowjob: whats a balance address
Bowjob: fyi, I only used 1 address ^
B0g4r7_: I'm not entirely clear on it. I think it happens when it needs to split funds or something.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin financial elite steals from ordinary users by redirecting some random % of some txs
B0g4r7_: It gets sent to a newly-generated address that then gets placed i your wallet.
B0g4r7_: The ppl in #bitcoin-dev would know better.
Bowjob: eh.. i dont understand lol
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it's like this : you can only spend a WHOLE input.
iz: B0g4r7_: so you had 82.308 in a single bitcoin address, and you wanted to spend 56.82.. so 56.82 goes to where you want to spend it, and then 25.48 comes back in change to one of your new randomly generated wallet addresses
mircea_popescu: like, if you have 50 btc, the next time you spend ANY btc yougotta spend the whole 50
mircea_popescu: the way this works in practice is that you send however much to who you owe
Bowjob: but.. one thing I don't get.. where is that 25 BTC sent?
Bowjob: I use electrum, only 5 addys
Bowjob: I checked the rest, I don't have them
B0g4r7_: It goes to a newly-generated address in your wallet.
Bowjob: but I can't see the address?
B0g4r7_: The addresses are hidden somehow (maybe?)
Bowjob: yes, its hidden.. umm, but my total says 200 BTC
Bowjob: so it must be here, then its hidden? wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00175 = 0.875 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28900, Last trade: 36.01100, 24 hour volume: 45723.66365557, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.42630
Bowjob: 1G6evBnvqzZ3mDoxbjWivFLVzcG9JBhfXR
Bowjob: It's in this address.. I just don't see it on my client
maximian: mircea_popescu: so evoorhees will actually have to issue a dividend of 6619BTC to cover all 50,000,000 shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maximian im not sure of the exact figure. how much did sdice make in feb ?
maximian: evoorhees wrote that he'll be paying 1721BTC, which I assume he calculated based on 13M shares, which works out to 0.00013238 per share
mircea_popescu: course most of it goes back to him i imagine, so it prolly works out to that
maximian: but yeah, a great way to verify income
Lyspooner: on bitbet, create a long-dated bet with a close to 50-50 outcome, bet both sides of it, take advantage of the early weighting part of the algorithm
mircea_popescu: you underwrite the marketmaker risk for a possible profit down the road.
mircea_popescu: im sure as more people figure out what's what there's going to be bookmaking of this sort, for everyone's benefit
Lyspooner: it's an interesting way to earn positive interest rates on deposits at the expense of later bettors
Bugpowder: This is what I did with the NFL bets
Bugpowder: Also set the ratio at the real moneyline
Lyspooner: i did something like that, where i just bought a bunch of bitcoins with money
Bugpowder: There is actually an optimal amount to rebet as well, against any bets that move the odds away from the line
Bugpowder: however rebetting only works well if you have set the time decay such that there is little or no decay
Bowjob: My prediction back in december
Bowjob: LTC is now at 13 cents.. da fuck is going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00078 = 3.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000781 = 7.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00078284 = 2.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055001 = 3.3001 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01300, Best ask: 36.33600, Bid-ask spread: 0.32300, Last trade: 36.01300, 24 hour volume: 46753.53869852, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45420
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.07110, Best ask: 36.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25890, Last trade: 36.07110, 24 hour volume: 46733.12002181, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45680
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]
Bowjob: the electrum irc is useless
Bowjob: everyone there is in limbo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 5 @ 0.18595405 = 0.9298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.595 = 2.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 6,621.40925 BTC to 50`000`000 shares, 13242 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4000101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 1.40001001 = 21.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34499 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1620 @ 0.005967 = 9.6665 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what the fucking hell it downtrends pre div and then UPTRENDS post div ?
Bugpowder: Maybe if people think he ain't gonna pay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00596998 = 2.388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00596999 = 11.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4600 @ 0.00597 = 27.462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 619 @ 0.00598 = 3.7016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 147 @ 0.00599999 = 0.882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1661 @ 0.00599999 = 9.966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.006 = 30 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00600768 = 6.0077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7695 @ 0.00611032 = 47.0189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3536 @ 0.00620077 = 21.9259 BTC [+]
error4733: "maybe some people reinvesting divs"
ThickAsThieves: is why it always goes up after divs, it's a testament to SDICE's allure
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500002 / 0.00587605 / 0.00620077 (53227 shares, 312.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00584889 / 0.0063799 (341165 shares, 1,995.44 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00595448 / 0.007395 (6741410 shares, 40,141.61 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 700 @ 0.0015 = 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5652 @ 0.00078628 = 4.4441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1399 @ 0.00075212 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16940 @ 0.00075072 = 12.7172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2280000 @ 0.00075 = 1710 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 96 @ 0.0059 = 0.5664 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: I wish betbet resolutions were as fast as s.dices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00620076 = 1.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5336 @ 0.00620077 = 33.0873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 134464 @ 0.006225 = 837.0384 BTC [+]
the_silent_wande: because I made that bet like three hours before it got confirmed, and I really want it to not be refunded.
blu3gr1f1on: it would make you a sort of magical unicorn, able to determine outcomes of user submitted gobshite bets
blu3gr1f1on: the_silent_wande: are you the last bet for 1btc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6295 = 2.518 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: you should not keep coins there. buy them, and MOVE THEM.
blu3gr1f1on: great way to get your hands on them. poor way to store them.
BitHub: what happened with PrimeAsic?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12260046 = 1122.6005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 96 @ 0.0061 = 0.5856 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 564 @ 0.00617 = 3.4799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12080012 = 1120.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.34499 = 2.0699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00617 = 0.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.22123, Best ask: 36.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17877, Last trade: 36.40000, 24 hour volume: 47630.33370173, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.51830
Chaang-Noi: wow.. i really should sleep more often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00075 = 25.95 BTC [-]
error4733: freeroll in 20min but need 4 players to start
Bowjob: oh , i was talking about dice
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.39746, Best ask: 36.39929, Bid-ask spread: 0.00183, Last trade: 36.39930, 24 hour volume: 47668.19097261, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.52726
BitHub: hey anyone selling BTC in AUD? yeah i've tried otc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.00078 = 0.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00196 = 0.196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00195 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 30 @ 0.00195 = 0.0585 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 62067.62 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 6529233.27387 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.16100, Best ask: 36.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18900, Last trade: 36.39999, 24 hour volume: 46677.07588137, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.55065
Bowjob: just an ordinary day in bitcoinland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
error4733: sorry Namworld.. i forgot about asking here... I just want so see if it's better than sealclub
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
dub: error4733: haven't been on there for a while, have they actually got players these days? used to be a ghost town
dub: I for one support any site that takes users away from micon
pigeons: he's the pro, he didn't own it
Chaang-Noi: okay, well who ever had it i think sold it
dub: oh, I stopped playing there because he's an assclown
[\\\]: micon never owned seals afaik
Chaang-Noi: when your paid pro gets business to stop playing lol
[\\\]: he was just a talking head
Chaang-Noi: i just remeber reading about seals being sold, i dont know by whom or to whom
pigeons: way to spread the facts ;)
Bugpowder: Seals is run by shady poker scammers
dub: I like this ssaCEO's style however, he's like the al swearengen of pr
Bugpowder: According to a friend who knows them from way back in poker land
pigeons: this channel is the no gossip express today
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ltc is not a btc assets but anyone know why it went up 100% in 1.5 days?
pigeons: kimdotcom is accepting it for mega and pirate will pay everyone back in ltc
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: same reason bitcoin has gone up 5% a day for the last several weeks.
dub: I think more likely because eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation is getting underway
pigeons: i've got one of those mugs and it is gorgeous actually
pigeons: but eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation sounds better
[\\\]: its like calling a chunk of frozen tundra greenland
[\\\]: and a chunk of beautiful land iceland
pigeons: yeah i already posted pictures maybe again later
Chaang-Noi: oh, yeah if you do send link please, thanks
dub: inb4 the mug gives you aids
Chaang-Noi: lol, are we all drunk/high on caffine today? :)
pigeons: i don't think its aids, i think maybe i just have mono
Chaang-Noi: ahh, pigeons is sick, sorry to hear that man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5815 @ 0.00074361 = 4.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11362916 = 1113.6292 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00614 = 0.0307 BTC [+]
dub: srsly though a home made out of who knows what mixture of clay, mud and the feces eskimoboob probably smears all over himself
dub: poorly glazed, porous, harbouring all manner bacteria and auto-immune disease
dub: be prepared for a slow and painful death shitting yourself inside out from dysentery
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11303376 = 1113.0338 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i been sorta watching his venture peripherally, i find the idea rather amusing
dub: well, if you are comfortable easting your cornflakes out of any random homless persons asshole then go right ahead
dub: in food hygene terms its the same thing
[\\\]: give the girl a raise
mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world, if you have no trade you're depressed, if you get trade you're worried.
mircea_popescu: dub it's amusing inasmuch as there's this new trend among the terminally retarded lefties
mircea_popescu: as fucking if a. what they did was art and b. you can make money at art w/o an elite
dub: mircea_popescu: hey if he can scrape a living out of exploiting hippies thats fine. Putting anything you plan to ingest in a home made pottery receptacle is gastric russian roulette
dub: its not my model bro
[\\\]: wait, you invested in dankbank?
dub: as long has pigeons has exploding colon insurance he'll be fine too
mircea_popescu: you know there's some vitamin that you only get by eating dirt basically ?
[\\\]: yeah, its called "vitamin stupid"
dub: firstly there's no vitamin b its a group of vitamins and you get them from lots of places
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11124958 = 1111.2496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well really, some bacteria which unlike us can synthesize it
dub: eatign dirt is not a good idea, listeria is a very nasty way to die
dub: need vit. b? drink red bull you'll live longer
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 0.65 = 9.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 91 @ 0.00614 = 0.5587 BTC [+]
BitHub: i just got some on BitFunder
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 49 @ 0.00615 = 0.3014 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i dont know the name of that other exchange :/
BitHub: this might sound really n00b but is there a way to exchange between PT's
Chaang-Noi: you could but it would be a pain in the ass
BitHub: for example say i want an asset on BF but i only have a mpex account but i could buy an asset on BF using or leveraging an asset i have on MPEX to buy that asset on BF
Namworld: Not sure I understand what you mean...
dub: havelock has just implemented that
BitHub: i dont know like i said i'm probably being a real n00b
dub: (if I understood correctly)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074361 / 0.00075087 / 0.00078628 (2432192 shares, 1,826.28 BTC), 7D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075245 / 0.00078628 (3534723 shares, 2,659.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067759 / 0.00078628 (62988367 shares, 42,680.30 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.1100618 = 1110.0618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 41.20198681 / 46.0855546 (no shares, 6,242.04 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Namworld: some S.DICE-PT available for 0.00599
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.85901, Best ask: 36.89300, Bid-ask spread: 0.03399, Last trade: 36.89300, 24 hour volume: 48595.38328206, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 36.90000, 24 hour vwap: 35.65034
Namworld: what, we're already hitting 37
error4733: not fun for me, since i start in december
Namworld: I bought in at 5 USD and 10 USD
Namworld: Haven't sold, lost them to some bad "miner"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00584168 = 0.5842 BTC [-]
Namworld: ASICMINER is selling for 6x what it IPOed at
error4733: mp : obv, i'm not like i bet my house on infinite rally
error4733: in fact yes, but it's a other question
error4733: i hope a crash for a good re entry spot
BitHub: i'm going to make a long term 100 play
BitHub: so anything under 100$ is good enough for me
Namworld: no, was lending to Amazingrando, waiting to have enough for a BFL rig. But Amazingrando never repaid.
error4733: when i should stop mining with GPU if i thinks BTC'll hit 200$ ?
dub: how much does your power cost
BitHub: so i guess PrimeAsic was fake?
BitHub: that's what i'm asking
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.82002, Best ask: 36.94000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11998, Last trade: 36.80000, 24 hour volume: 49186.53224211, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.67406
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0015 / 0.00175636 / 0.00197 (76200 shares, 133.83 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00176507 / 0.00197 (79498 shares, 140.32 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165614 / 0.00197 (128608 shares, 212.99 BTC)
mircea_popescu: bitbet bet gives them good odds of being real, but i dunno.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 1.10887536 = 415.8283 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00878 BTC [+]
dub: error4733: if you had cheap power and efficient GPUs you're good till around 100mn diff
error4733: but i want try, i think it's a good way to learn BTC
error4733: don't care about the 0.000000475 btc/day
error4733: good way also to understand altcoin, why is good, why is a scam
dub: not sure it is tbh, theres also teh heat, noise, decreased MTBF of your hardware
dub: might be fun to give it a try but I wouldn't be buying new GPUs at this point unless you plan to pwn n00bs with them on the side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00561 = 28.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00560001 = 11.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005501 = 2.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.005501 = 1.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19900 @ 0.0054 = 107.46 BTC [-]
error4733: no one be objective with altcoin bc they old one but hate the new one, etc
thismustb: hey guys, do you know any MT4 trading platforms that allow leverage and would let you have a live account with not that much money?
thismustb: yea thats why i went to this channel but his site says 50BTC min deposit
thismustb: that's a bit steep at current rates
Chaang-Noi: i use namecheap, can wait to pay my next bills :)
mircea_popescu: wasn't he saying something about deci bitcoin lots or something ?
thismustb: hehe i dont know, i've only traded forex before, no experience in btc yet
thismustb: i just forgot 40$ in bitcoins about a year ago. then i saw btc is at 36$ now
thismustb: i was like wow, i should just try trading that
dub: you are a fucking baller
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.80002, Best ask: 36.99960, Bid-ask spread: 0.19958, Last trade: 36.99960, 24 hour volume: 49556.91047748, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.70360
mircea_popescu: that was me in mexico, eating chocolate bonbons in the street
mircea_popescu: with like, a red purse, white suit. sent it back home the agape silence could be heard across the ocean.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00616 = 0.0123 BTC [-]