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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00637777 = 25.5111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.651 = 1.953 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.6505 = 9.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.649 = 1.947 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I mean we passed the Mt Gox high, but apparently some exchange Blockchain.info follows had the high price at $35, so I've saving the cigars
Bowjob: fuck the rain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.679 = 2.037 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: So, BFL is is Kansas City. Is Josh/Inaba Rock chalk like a Jayhawk or like General Quantrill does e see all of the common sense reasons why Lawrence should burn?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5655 @ 0.00076 = 4.2978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.9988 = 1.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/LPmQ46C.jpg
mircea_popescu: bitcoin entrepreneur (he thinks)
Namworld: who's that?
BitHub: mircea wtf
BitHub: stop sharing my fb profile pic
BingoBongo: What happpened to his forhead?
kakobrekla: brain has to grow somewhere
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147613.msg1568249#msg1568249
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637777 = 31.8889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hes' the "bitmillions new" guy
Namworld: Oh, it's BitHub
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.650005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.650005 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 22 @ 0.65000001 = 14.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.649 = 7.788 BTC [-]
BitHub: so this guy is an aussie scammer?
mircea_popescu: more like aussie idiot
BitHub: want me to bash him?
BitHub: i have a crew
mircea_popescu: no cause you might accidentally fix his hairline
kakobrekla: lol
BitHub: its no problem
mircea_popescu: he's bashed enough as it is
BitHub: okey
mircea_popescu: since bitcoin i've become real good at counting zeros
BitHub: i'm joking anyway i dont really do that
BingoBongo: MP, this trolling something awful deal is taking a while. In the interim could you maybe hold a contest for spotting extra chromosones on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: lol what
mircea_popescu: actually the trolling sa thing delivered in spades
mircea_popescu: tho i was doing most of the trolling
BingoBongo: I've recieved one of your gift certificates. I've got time now though where I am looking at the long troll. Get to the moderator control pnel and make threads disapear like thie twin towers.
Bowjob: so how many people got the ten btc trolling price
Bowjob: prize
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
splnkr: i give just enough a damn about the IRC community to actually hang out; can't understand how some see it as the target for misanthropic gratification
splnkr: ther are SOOOOOOO many better targets
BingoBongo: What's a better target than SA?
splnkr: um, media?govt? fortune 500? stodgy educators?
splnkr: the list is practially endless
splnkr: scuse my spelling at this late hour
BingoBongo: Media's too easy. I've done local and regional papers a few too many times. Government trolls itself. I'm a stodgy educator... What targets are left nao?
splnkr: check yoself fool
splnkr: =)
BingoBongo: Ok, checked...
BingoBongo: I'm ready to fuck, been ready to fuck, these pants are so tight
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 219 @ 0.0065 = 1.4235 BTC [+]
mod6: HAHA WAT
splnkr: sheesh, sorry i asked
BingoBongo: So... What's the deal with that Blockchain.info mixer?
Namworld: It mixes
BingoBongo: I mean the part where it has been phasing in and out of existence these past couple days.
Namworld: oh. No idea.
BingoBongo: Is that some bullshit, or is that some bull shit?
Namworld: both?
BingoBongo: I'm kind of wondering, where's the BitBets on the first S.BBET passthrough?
Namworld: Which passthrough was the first one?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I don't know that there is an S.BBET passthrough yet.
BingoBongo: You'd think as much as Kumala wants to monetize Virecurex and Crypto::Stocks he would race to set one up.
Namworld: There's one I manage and another on BitFunder
BingoBongo: Namworld, where's yours at?
Namworld: BTCT.co
Namworld: I find BitBet overpriced right now tho.
aiball: coinbr.com has bbet for sale
Namworld: makes 3
BingoBongo: I don't know. I find it a bit underpriced for all the bets I've bought in on that won't realize till the end of the year...
aiball: definitely a buy and hold if anything
BingoBongo: If you are calling it overpriced Namworld I might finally have to get my shit together and finally register for that MPEX dealio
Namworld: I'm calling the shares as a whole overpriced.
Namworld: 0.002 right now
Namworld: 200'000 satoshi a pop. 20 000 BTC valuation.
BingoBongo: I now, that's thy I think they are qorth quite a bit more. Especially since the initial valuation for the whole enterprise was only 100 BTC.
Namworld: They take 1% in fees. Would take 2 million BTC in bets to make a 100% dividend.
Namworld: 0.002 is 200x initial valuation
aiball: has anyone figured out the dividend for bbet this month? I might take a crack at it but just as likely might wait to see the number
BingoBongo: Details, details. There's also the house bets and idiots who bet against any sense.
Namworld: I think it was over-buyed at IPO, people panic buying.
BingoBongo: The BFL bet is going to throw everything for fruit loops
Namworld: now no one buys, no one sells. Almost.
aiball: the bets are boring
BingoBongo: Right now too many are. There is very little action on most bets.
mircea_popescu: well so make some good ones
aiball: I'm boring
aiball: how about a major us bank will deploy ripple by 2013
aiball: fuck, that's boring too
mircea_popescu: ill take the no on that.
aiball: I wanted no, but you're on if I can't think of something better in 30 minutes
aiball: 1 btc, nobody gets hurt
BingoBongo: I have tried. A critical user mass is missing
aiball: tried what
aiball: ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that,
mircea_popescu: the april bfl bet is alreayd over 20 btc
mircea_popescu: that's a healthy sum of change if you think about it.
mircea_popescu: scratch that, it's over 40 btc 0.0
Bowjob: how about one for avalon too to make it interesting
aiball: because none writing bets reads people magazine. I'm not going to volunteer, but I think that's what is needed here.
mircea_popescu: people magazine ?!
aiball: that's what I said.
mircea_popescu: i dun get it tho
aiball: celebrities and kittens get eyeballls.
mircea_popescu: there were a buncha oscars i recall
aiball: true
aiball: I'm heading over to people.com now. then I'll hit up oprah's site
aiball: eww
BingoBongo: Pari seems to still lack enough market makers
aiball: Is Tom trying to get custody of his daughter? maybe that's something. I can't believe I'm thinking of investigating this.
BingoBongo: Oh shit
aiball: anyone want to take a side on "Tom gets custody of Suri by the End of April? "
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 120 @ 0.25512908 = 30.6155 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I made a bet for avalon on bitbet. lets get this shit rollin
mircea_popescu: who's suri
mod6: his daughter
aiball: By the way I'm talking about Tom Cruise. Suri is his daughter. Tom Cruise just divorced his Wife Katie Holmes
aiball: I sending up a 1 btc bet, just giving you insiders a chance to pick a side and I'll take the other.
aiball: I think that would be best for Suri and the other children.
BingoBongo: I just know bit365.eu won't be around long if they keep paying so much for betting against the Astros and Marlins...
BingoBongo: Suri stays with Katie, family law isn't that fucked yet
aiball: I guess that means I'm taking yes.
BingoBongo: I might throw a bitdime on no if it posts
aiball: .1 btc?
BingoBongo: I imagine it would get too lopsided too fast for real money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.725 = 8.625 BTC [-]
aiball: I'm asking what is a btcdime
BingoBongo: 0.1 BTC
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: there it is
Bowjob: you added more stipulatons?
Bowjob: :3
mircea_popescu: tried to make it into something
Bowjob: thats the one i submitted, right?
mircea_popescu: ya
Bowjob: prototypes lol wtf
Bowjob: inclined to vote no as a hedge
mircea_popescu: well the jgarzik stuff
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo how's lopsided ?
aiball: I voted no on avalon
aiball: I used .5 btc from Tom's basic refund.
BingoBongo: Cruise tends to lose in court
aiball: I put it up there, but didn't take a side by mistake. I'll take yes as soon as it's approved. That is unless your comment about court is some way to convince me to take no.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00072 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00620001 = 1.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00620001 = 1.488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1811 @ 0.0062 = 11.2282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4687 @ 0.00610821 = 28.6292 BTC [-]
aiball: why sell s.dice right before the dividend?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.725 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh, 10.56 on no
mircea_popescu: avalon ppl get no credit around here huh
aiball: all from you?
mircea_popescu: mnope
Bowjob: i wanna put no, but theres no yes
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: mhm
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off. gl all
Bowjob: night
aiball: night
ThickAsThieves: just submitted a couple bet ideas
ThickAsThieves: was wondering
ThickAsThieves: would it be unacceptable to say "The next winner of Project Runway will be homosexual"?
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: well, it may be difficult to check
ThickAsThieves: nah
ThickAsThieves: so much infiltrating of these peoples lives online probly
ThickAsThieves: i suppose being flamboyant isnt proof...
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: if they say so it's one thing
mircea_popescu: if they don't tho...
pigeons: pics or gtfo
mircea_popescu: pix of what ? their dilated bunghole ?
pigeons: goatse style
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.00641 = 0.1154 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: 6-8 watts/G this is okay for asic?
Bowjob: hey mp
Chaang-Noi: from here, friedcat updated https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1571278#msg1571278
Bowjob: your bet
Bowjob: umm
mircea_popescu: hm ?
Bowjob: what do you mean by majority ships
Bowjob: because avalon 2's shipping is april 10th
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck these things are impossible aren't they.
mircea_popescu: majority of batch 1, not majority of all items they will ever produce
mircea_popescu: (and it is your bet!!1)
Bowjob: oh
Bowjob: okay then
Bowjob: Yeah
Bowjob: I will bet on Yes :P
mircea_popescu: that'll be a first.
ThickAsThieves: i wanna complain that he doesnt really give any dates or schedules, but then again, who ever really lives up to those...
mircea_popescu: well ya but still, things irl happen on some sort of timescale
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/KzY4tPF.jpg
ThickAsThieves: update essentially says "we're working on it, we;ll get better!"
Bowjob: "Starting from next Monday, units will be en route to their country of destination and tracking numbers will follow maybe 2~3 days after (it is at this point onward which you can expect an email from us with the tracking information), we expect this process to continue to the 10th of March until all the units have been shipped out, if all is well people will get their units in-hand in the middle of March."
ThickAsThieves: i was refering to asicminer
ThickAsThieves: nice pic, but we've seen so many boxes of fans
Bowjob: this one prints money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.685 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bowjob based on that text the bet is pretty relevant
Bowjob: i guess
Bowjob: its a matter of shipping..
Bowjob: which monday however
Bowjob: i havent set the bet yet :P
Bowjob: yifu said christmas came early to them
Bowjob: from winning the huge bfl bet
Bowjob: i guess they bet either 300+ or the 250 bet
Bowjob: prolly the 300+
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: wait, wasn't newyears just last week ?
Bowjob: umm month, but he's referring to this years xmas
mircea_popescu: :p
ThickAsThieves: &ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.08001, Best ask: 34.17002, Bid-ask spread: 0.09001, Last trade: 34.08001, 24 hour volume: 71974.65510805, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.23048
Bowjob: if this rally continues, I'll be able to afford a nice house at the end of the year
Bowjob: then after that perhaps go back to school..
mircea_popescu: lol cool
Bowjob: my priorities are backwards.. usually people go to school first
Bowjob: ..
Bowjob: lol
Zillion: mircea has the BFL March 1st bet paid out?
kakobrekla: tecnical difficulites
kakobrekla: technical*/
kakobrekla: fuckin fucked fuck keyboad.
kakobrekla: rd
blu3gr1ffon: Zillion: I haven't seen my bet in my wallet yet
Diablo-D3: spacex is going to launch the dragon again at 10:10AM EST http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
blu3gr1ffon: not sure how long it takes.
blu3gr1ffon: if we are talking about the the bitbet.us one.
mircea_popescu: Zillion not yet. will be paid out presently.
blu3gr1ffon: mircea_popescu: thanks!
Zillion: blu3gr1ffon ok thanks just curious...usually they are fast but this one is big
mircea_popescu: np np
Zillion: cool mircea
blu3gr1ffon: anyone getting in on the BTC/USD at Mt.Gox will hit $35 in March 2013 bet?
mircea_popescu: im sure some people are
blu3gr1ffon: i wonder why not more.
blu3gr1ffon: so close already
mircea_popescu: ya srslty.
Bugpowder: Spacexxxxx
Bugpowder: Big day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) claimed today that "over 170 million jobs" could be lost due to sequestration. "
mircea_popescu: why are these people even in congress ?
mircea_popescu: they're basically as dumb as reddit.
ThickAsThieves: coinlab's Buy $1M buttons are back
mircea_popescu: im sure that makes all the difference :D
splnkr: maxine waters might say extreme stuff sometimes but she's no fool
splnkr: she's among the best Congress has to offer
splnkr: she was the one to bring allegations of CIA crack cocaine trafficking to light in DC
splnkr: that's a pretty big deal in my book
mircea_popescu: splnkr that's my point
mircea_popescu: she's among the best congress has to offer and that's what she says
pigeons: yawn
mircea_popescu: does not compute
mircea_popescu: pigeons spam detracted
splnkr: in politics, sometimes you hyperbolize to make a point
splnkr: that's what you do when you're not lying
pigeons: spam retracted
mircea_popescu: splnkr ya well, here's the deal : if there actually existed 170mn jobs in the us it wouldn't be in the crapper would it
splnkr: sometimes you take an extreme position to reach a better compromise
splnkr: it's called negotiation
splnkr: but i do see your point in this particular case
splnkr: she maybe meant to say 176K
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2000 @ 0.00641 = 12.82 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah.
splnkr: however I think a lot of us often react to what people say when they're taking extreme positions for negotiation purposes
splnkr: for example an apt. complex i was advising decided to build their own cogen plant because the electricity service was threatening much higher rates
splnkr: well, now the electricity service backpedaled and is offering a continuation at the same rate
splnkr: but the apt managers were too dumb to realize they were just bandstanding
splnkr: now i wonder how this affects BTC speculation =P
pigeons: lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more
splnkr: well, maybe, or maybe it's that people suck, and force politicians to lie.
pigeons: people suck so im forced to kill and steal
pigeons: dont blame the poor politicians
splnkr: whoa whoa the killing and stealing are another issue altogether
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.38 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.395 = 1.975 BTC [+]
splnkr: look, if you view a type of person as completely inhuman and one-dimensional so you can scapegoat them, you're never going to really understand why they are the way they are
splnkr: i had the experience of running for an elected office once and it totally changed my perspective
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more <<< this. nonspam detected.
mircea_popescu: just make your motherfucking point, that's what a congress is for.
mircea_popescu: it's not a set of survivor or w/e
splnkr: so for example, sometimes what looks like stupidity from the outside is really willful ignorance
mircea_popescu: but it's always easier to self aggrandize and hyperbolize than make points
mircea_popescu: that's why the internet is so fulla hyperbolae
splnkr: well the irony here is that story about maxine waters misquoting a number probably got more exposure than the story about her exposing the CIA-crack connection in the 90's
pigeons: im suprised you lost, you are a politician, now its "misquoting"
mircea_popescu: i guess this teaches the importance of not fudging numbers.
mircea_popescu: i certainly dislike people that do that more than people that do coke.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00641 = 4.487 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.73 = 3.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [-]
splnkr: pigeons: i'm not trying to defend politicians, but explain them
splnkr: i have less than zero time for their BS
splnkr: they are leading the way to 100 years ago
splnkr: it's a joke and i don't care to stick around for the punchline
splnkr: to be constantly wrapped up in their misdeeds is paralyzing
splnkr: i'd rather just ignore and proceed =)
mircea_popescu: nice that you found btc then
splnkr: yeah i guess if you're going to jump down a rabbit hole it might as well be the one with the most potential to lead somewhere better
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.63899 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu ; I summon thee from da depths.
Zillion: Still no love on that bet here mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Zillion dun' worry, it'll be paid before bfl ships :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.63899 = 2.556 BTC [-]
Zillion: LOL yeah but I am not the tycoon as you and need my measly coins
thestringpuller: BFL did not ship. Confirmed?
mircea_popescu: cooonfirmed
Zillion: checking one sec
mircea_popescu: Zillion srsly, we ran into some sendmany hairs, working at it, it will not be long.
Zillion: np just wanting to be sure no wallet problems is all really
mircea_popescu: you can be sure of that.
Zillion: thank ya sir...sorry, patience never been a strong suit for me
mircea_popescu: np np
mjr__: i think it would be awesome if we could lend our shares out on mpex...with an escrow feature of some sort
Zillion: why would you do that?
Zillion: very new to all this if that is a dumb question
mjr__: so others could short
mircea_popescu: mjr_ and why can' you ?!
mjr__: and i could have my shares which are just sitting there earn extra income
ThickAsThieves: while ive never used btcjam, i like how the integrated using btct assets as collateral
mjr__: you COULD, but there is no escrow
Zillion: i see what you mean\
thestringpuller: jurov: why do you expect that?
ThickAsThieves: they*
mjr__: risk averse
jurov: thestringpuller, cause mp mentioned sendmany hairs
thestringpuller: sendmany hairs?
thestringpuller: mjr__: smickles is working on something for that purpose I thik
thestringpuller: think*
jurov: mjr__, shorting is by definition incompatible with simple escrow
mjr__: mircea_popescu: I would rather have my shares in a pool for lending with the understanding that the guy has to have assets to back it up. Similar to bitfinex's system
mircea_popescu: mjr_ you can find an escrow you trust, push to them.
mjr__: but instead of BTC or USD, S.DICE and S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: unlike the bitfinex system w./e that is, you actually have signed receipts to prove this on mpex.
mircea_popescu: what's the impediment ?
mjr__: yes true
mircea_popescu: im sure any of the pt ops would do this, for instance.
mircea_popescu: possibly for a fee tho
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
jurov: i understood mjr__ looks for a broker he'll just push the shares to and broker does the legwork
mircea_popescu: this may be a decent line of business
mircea_popescu: at least it is irl
mircea_popescu: locating shortable blocks
thestringpuller: jurov you should add a shorting pool
thestringpuller: set up some interest rates, you already have one donor :P
mjr__: i meant a more automated system, yes Jurov and collects a portion of the interest or fees i generate
mircea_popescu: there's no reason it can't be automated, for sure.
mjr__: ie. i can just leave my shares in that pool, but i specificy that my term will expire before dividends
mircea_popescu: actually iirc topace was working on some automation for crediting pushes to his PT
mjr__: even better win, if they win the bet, i can double down
mircea_popescu: this probably can be reused
mjr__: true
mjr__: my whole point is that i want to increase my long position, but i don't want to buy at market, so if people want to sell at market, and then have to cover, i can buy back my own shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00075632 = 1.6639 BTC [+]
mjr__: if they are right and the short position works, i can increase my position for cheaper, if they are wrong, i get my original shares back anyway, and still rely on dividends
jurov: i'd prefer to run it closed with fixed interest, without dosclosing when i or someone other shorted and how much.
mjr__: exactly, i don't care who they are, i would rather trust mpex or coinbr than an individual person, provided that there is an autoclose out feature and there account is liquid enough to be able to buy back
jurov: transparency leads to somilar things like MPBPT investors bitching that i endangered their investment by setting the rate too high, lol
mjr__: some risk monitoring system
jurov: lmao maybe i can adapt bitcoinica code
mircea_popescu: lol listen
mircea_popescu: paying a fixed fee per week makes sense
mircea_popescu: 0.1% or w/e
mircea_popescu: and dividends pass through to original owner
jurov: yes that side is clear... but on the other side, maybe i can lend out to coinbr users where i can force liquidate them (hence bitcoinica reference)
mircea_popescu: :p
pigeons: i dont mind being force liquidated as long as you give it a cute nickname like "starfished" or "juroved"
mircea_popescu: anyway, certainly a valid development direction, this.
mircea_popescu: juroved works.
mircea_popescu: like brejnev'd except worse
mjr__: yes exactly, i don't want to rely on trusting them to return shares and be solvent
mjr__: if their account approaches insolvency they should get a margin call
mjr__: and if it reaches the point where they would be insolvent, they should be autoliquidated
jurov: okay, will plan it. but that even increases the risk of orders mismatch... mircea, how far are you with full tracking? did you determine it can be done?
jurov: who isn't following this - the "track" feature works basically only on half of transactions
jurov: the other half shows digest of other user's order
mircea_popescu: are these connected somehow ?
Anduckk: yay
Anduckk: bitbet payment recvd
jurov: if i mismatch leveraged orders the mess will be bigger
jurov: brb
mircea_popescu: Zillion there you go.
mircea_popescu: sorry for the delay everyone. bitcoind is not yet exactly mature, needs a little expert oiling
mjr__: ah, good idea too, if you were to allow me to lend my btc out for margin on people it could work in the same system...but again, need very robust risk controls
Zillion: thats a BTC short for me???
mircea_popescu: it is ?!
Zillion: yes sir
mircea_popescu: which line we talking about ?
Zillion: weight 37`870
Zillion: 2 btc
Zillion: you sent me 1.99
Zillion: 1.98876913
mircea_popescu: um looking into this
Zillion: thank you
mircea_popescu: you mean 21-02-13 19:54 No 357 2.00000000 19PN8 1.98876913 1Bye9 ?
Zillion: holy crap you are so right sir
Zillion: how did i screw that up
Zillion: sorry man
mircea_popescu: jurov : http://blockchain.info/tx-index/57549707/fead082c83a0625eb8cc22452b7f213d7be041e29a7d2c203e704b01ec6bb04b
mircea_popescu: check that out, 3.5kb tx :D
mircea_popescu: Zillion np np
Zillion: nothing like whining just to find out your wrong and last money :)
mircea_popescu: gotta be careful with the weights
mircea_popescu: becauyse site rtakes 1%
Zillion: i was up too late
mircea_popescu: so if odds are even and weight under 1k (out of the orig 100k) you may end up -
Zillion: i know the deal sir
mircea_popescu: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/57549811/c6258eff0639d758015ed5dcdd8a1f1dcf7580ac833d52336b6ec4469f9281b5 and a 2.8kb tx with 0 fees ahaha
mircea_popescu: this bitbet stuff is informative.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 500 @ 0.01 = 5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/the-grid/bitcoin-virtual-currency-legitimacy-online-retailers
mjr__: i am curious if you could use blockchain analysis to get an accurate NPV of S.DICE dividends
mjr__: at the very least gross profit
mircea_popescu: people already do on the forum no ?
blu3gr1ffon: Zillion: I got my bitbet return
mjr__: haven't seen that yet
mircea_popescu: dooglus' stuff, no ?
jurov: maybe the default end weight should be 1000 to account for this
jurov: not 1
mircea_popescu: jurov what about a bet like http://bitbet.us/bet/2/s-mpoe-will-crash-this-spring/
mircea_popescu: that's 100:1. end weight of even 11 makes you money.
jurov: mhm
blu3gr1ffon: so these bets with, so and so will happen by 4/1/2013, are they over if that something happpens on 3/5/3013?
blu3gr1ffon: or do they just sit there until the end to pay out?
mjr__: do you do underwriting mircea?
mjr__: at this point i mean
mjr__: or do you just list
mjr__: i wanna get into the private equity game lol
thestringpuller: !ticker S.MPOE
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075259 / 0.00076 (207052 shares, 155.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069755 / 0.00078 (17890704 shares, 12,479.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067287 / 0.00078 (67719739 shares, 45,566.99 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: horsemeat found in tacobell
ThickAsThieves: heh
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how bout this guy?
Guest31034: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/bet/153/s-mpoe-will-rise-this-spring/
mircea_popescu: that doesn't seem to get as much love for some reason
thestringpuller: it
pigeons: i would think horsemeat would cost more than cornfed cow meat
mircea_popescu: mjr__ i do a mix of both
thestringpuller: 's too much of a futures bet
thestringpuller: June is a far away mr. popescu
mircea_popescu: blu3gr1f1on in general they're over
mircea_popescu: depends on the exact circumstances tho
Chaang-Noi: horse meat is cheap if it comes from a horse no one wants
thestringpuller: mircea, how do I find that article you wrote on the bonds
pigeons: mmm satoshi's daemon
Chaang-Noi: race horses are dog food
ThickAsThieves: meateater problems
pigeons: not a problem
ThickAsThieves: not in any meangingful sense, no it isnt
ThickAsThieves: but sure has a lot of people chatting
Chaang-Noi: i like horse
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller which one ?
mjr__: what i don't understand is that they eat horse meat when it's labeled horse
mjr__: i really wouldn't care if i found out i ate pork when i thought it was only beef
mjr__: big deal
thestringpuller: if within a few weeks’ time you find yourself in the position of having to decide whether a few million dollars go to a. free drinks and garter inserts at a number of strip clubs or to b. coinbase “second round of funding”, the correct business decision is certainly a. At least the strippers can actually provide an answer should anyone happen to ask “what the fuck are you doing”. <<< I think many VC's w
ThickAsThieves: in the US, mostly the only meat-switching news you hear about is with fish
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I found the one I was looking for.
ThickAsThieves: cheap fish being sold as expensive fish in restaurants
mircea_popescu: a kk
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I was looking for http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-bonds-historical-data/ btw
Anduckk: mircea_popescu is the string puller!!!
Anduckk: now i know everything
Anduckk: (btw thats is actually true)
Anduckk: gz on ur success
mircea_popescu: um wut
thestringpuller: ;;calc 344 + 364 + 6074 + -632
gribble: 6150
thestringpuller: MPBOR is in the overall green
thestringpuller: nominal green* congrats mr. popescu!
thestringpuller: it's like the pirate month never happened...
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: jurov here's the rand you promised http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/
mircea_popescu: i started off trying to be nice but by the end i was thoroughly pissed off so.
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.25001 U.S. dollars = 26.2693741 Euros
Diablo-D3: fucking xchat
BitHub: hey now
mjr__: so you underwrite and marketmake?
mjr__: mircea
jcpham: EskimoBob tell me about the things that make you angry
jcpham: i figured you were angry about something
jcpham: you normally seem angry
jcpham: I imagine you having steam coming from your ears
mircea_popescu: mjr__ to some degree. the way it practically works is mostly by putting min bids in during ipos
jcpham: like a cartoon
jcpham: i really do
mircea_popescu: nothing much came of it in the case of bitbet for instance, it took off way
blu3gr1ffon: is g.bbet on bitfunder bitbet.us?
BitHub: yes
blu3gr1ffon: BitHub: danke
BitHub: no problem
topace: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610821 / 0.00633093 / 0.00637777 (46523 shares, 294.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00572194 / 0.00621997 / 0.00638999 (320933 shares, 1,996.19 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00602873 / 0.007395 (6844333 shares, 41,262.64 BTC)
topace: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
BitHub: blu3gr1ffon - https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.BBET
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49900 U.S. dollars = 26.4603467 Euros
blu3gr1ffon: any hope for ziggap?
mircea_popescu: who are those ?
BitHub: ziggap are on bitfunder as well
blu3gr1ffon: they are, newly so. anybody used the service?
mircea_popescu: "Anonymous
mircea_popescu: I am done using this site. When you place a bet with a professional you want to be paid when the bet has resolved. Not when someone is good and ready to pay you. Mircea Popescu is a no better than any scammer before him."
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people srsly!
ThickAsThieves: PAY ME NAO
BitHub: yes blue i have
BitHub: its a place to buy bitcoins from
BitHub: they do a few countries
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ok but i mean... today is still the 1st wtf.
ThickAsThieves: for realz
mircea_popescu: banks regularly hold payments 2-3 days, what about that.
blu3gr1ffon: i guess people expect the perks of bitcoin to apply to bitbet
ThickAsThieves: guaranteed that person will bet agai
ThickAsThieves: n
mircea_popescu: stuff has to be checked, for one, it's not exactly pennies we're dealing here. stuff breaks half the time, as it was indeed the case this time. new code and all that.
blu3gr1ffon: he will
mircea_popescu: gotta give scammers like mircea_popescu some slack eh.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yea prolly.
ThickAsThieves: he probly had some other bet or debt he needed to fill
mircea_popescu: i guess if you sit there and mash the f5 there's little difference between an hour and all eternity
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe bad experiences.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: who's the sack of shit now?
ThickAsThieves: ugh why did i ask...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.685 = 6.165 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49489 U.S. dollars = 26.4571944 Euros
ThickAsThieves: aww you guys didnt like my TV bets?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637776 = 31.8888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.64500001 = 24.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.645 = 6.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.49501, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 63944.06343327, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.24964
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1689.81 * 33.25
gribble: 56186.1825
mircea_popescu: bitbet is like vegas nao
ThickAsThieves: you can get hooker sthere?
ThickAsThieves: or what?
ThickAsThieves: i see my bet
ThickAsThieves: you were this close to a scammer tag
ThickAsThieves: i like the Survivor bet better though
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/36d2d306bf3798b9e3730239f58095cd7baeea5963cb9bcc736b6aa20b0b90c5?show_adv=true
mircea_popescu: 15kb tx, no fee
mircea_popescu: this is afaik the record
ThickAsThieves: you get the btc-pincher award
mircea_popescu: oldest coinbase award moar like it
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.83988, Bid-ask spread: 0.23988, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
ThickAsThieves: oops
ThickAsThieves: the ;; is def easier than the & sadly
Chaang-Noi: echo:)
ThickAsThieves: Isn't Google Glass already scheduled to ship in 2013?
ThickAsThieves: which was accelerated from when they said 2014 last year
ThickAsThieves: btw it's called Google Glass
ThickAsThieves: not Google Glasses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.04 BTC [+]
error4733: TAKE MY MONEY !!
error4733: google glass ftw
mjr__: yeah i need google glass
mjr__: the new video was awesome
mjr__: and i saw a picture of sergey brin on the subway in nyc wearing them
ThickAsThieves: from the looks of their promo photos, you have to look pretty hip to own a pair
Chaang-Noi: bulllls on parade!
mjr__: strong move
mjr__: !!!
mjr__: here comes 35
mjr__: no one ever went broke taking profits...sell sell sell
Chaang-Noi: i sold a bit today
mircea_popescu: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-01/consumer-spending-in-u-s-climbs-even-as-taxes-hurt-incomes.html
mircea_popescu: "Consumer spending in the U.S. rose in January even as incomes dropped by the most in 20 years, showing households were weathering the payroll-tax increase by socking away less money in the bank."
mircea_popescu: these people were already not saving enough.
mjr__: i was saying that as i kept my finger on the buy button, following goldman sach's modus operandi...tell people to do the exact opposite of what you plan on doing, and have them pay you for the "service"
mircea_popescu: the vote is in : the us public does not care whether the us ends.
mjr__: yes, but it is the system that makes savers into suckers
mjr__: i honestly think it may even be a partly subconscious effect whereby without concsciously realizing it, you know that saving is stupid when the value goes down so rapidly
mjr__: QE infinity and beyond
mircea_popescu: right.
Chaang-Noi: mp. america is fucked
ThickAsThieves: americans are so ignorant and detached from the political and financial world it isnt funny
Chaang-Noi: they have no clue
ThickAsThieves: i can have an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the people i come across
Chaang-Noi: their parents or grandparents made all the money, now everyone has credit
mircea_popescu: actually seeing how the expenditure is in large part houses,
mircea_popescu: it's pretty smart. buy a house today for 100k of debt, wait for obama to make 100k = 1 pizza
mircea_popescu: then pay back, get free house.
mjr__: i like that plan
mjr__: but that is the point
ThickAsThieves: they even messed up real estate as investment for the middle and lower class
mjr__: debt is good
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's not limited to the us you know
mjr__: and they want eveeryone in as much debt as possible
ThickAsThieves: i dont know really :)
ThickAsThieves: i try to be worldly
ThickAsThieves: but i know i'm not
ThickAsThieves: i follow BBC and some Al Jazeera news
ThickAsThieves: but not much more than that
ThickAsThieves: and even that is WAY more than most people i know
mircea_popescu: i could carry on an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the egyptians in either cairo or luxor
mircea_popescu: turks in istanbul
mircea_popescu: russians in sevastopol
mircea_popescu: you name it
ThickAsThieves: i dont really understand why so many people dont want to think for themselves
ThickAsThieves: dont
mircea_popescu: the jools of twitter :
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria
mircea_popescu: Will be moderating panel here at Cato, March 13. Would a Financial Transaction Tax Affect Financial Market Activity? http://www.cato.org/events
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria Only in the sense that finance will move to Bitcoin faster.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Does the EU transaction tax proposal apply to Bitcoin transactions?
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria No, Bitcoin is structurally immune to imposed taxation.
mircea_popescu: le win.
ThickAsThieves: nice
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.53318, Best ask: 34.79987, Bid-ask spread: 0.26669, Last trade: 34.80000, 24 hour volume: 67402.19246156, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.33373
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136209288816.jpg did i mention i love those pants ?
ThickAsThieves: is that horse or cow leather?
mircea_popescu: it's prolly mare leather substituted for heifer.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.68499999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: scams
ThickAsThieves: this coinlab ticker,
ThickAsThieves: shows negative time since
ThickAsThieves: someitmes
ThickAsThieves: they are time travelers
ThickAsThieves: -11s ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00075632 = 5.143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4927 @ 0.00075542 = 3.722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5478 @ 0.00075 = 4.1085 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Spiers, responding to a question about whether he regretted Groupon going public with "I feel like the only reason you could be asking me that question is because you think I’m stupid or because you’re trying to see if I’m going to lie to you."
blu3gr1ffon: speaking of pants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l3nCqOWua4
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.fastcompany.com/3006439/where-are-they-now/exclusive-andrew-masons-last-interview-groupon-ceo
mircea_popescu: he blew his plural. reasonS.
mircea_popescu: and for the record i totally called this on trilema, when they ipod
ThickAsThieves: i had every client asking me about groupon for a while
ThickAsThieves: i was like NO
ThickAsThieves: are you dumb?!
mircea_popescu: investing, heh.
ThickAsThieves: oh, i meant as an mktg solution
mircea_popescu: "We sat in the dining room at Madera, a Michelin 1-star rated restaurant in the Rosewood, a luxury hotel that’s partly owned by Stanford University."
mircea_popescu: lol 1 star better than no star!
mircea_popescu: why do us restaurants suck so bad.
ThickAsThieves: i think michelin stars work diff than hotel ratings
ThickAsThieves: i dont think you can get 5
ThickAsThieves: up to 3
mircea_popescu: yes.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.75002, Best ask: 34.81892, Bid-ask spread: 0.06890, Last trade: 34.81895, 24 hour volume: 68172.45866000, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.35396
mircea_popescu: He softened a bit. “I think in the first phase of our company, we were a glorified mailing list. We had a completely unintelligent email that we sent out once a day and we had a human sales force that was going around and procuring the deals... "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha o god.
mircea_popescu: why don't they say this sort of shit in autumn 2011 ?
mircea_popescu: why do they wait for it to be 2013 and everyone be pissed off ?
mircea_popescu: this is what so called CEOs should learn from me, seriously. say it dude.
jcpham: what is the lesson, i'm listening
mircea_popescu: say nigger. tell people to fuck off. say your company sucks and is a glorified mailing list. say whatever the hell is the case.
mircea_popescu: no matter how apparently impolite, impolitical, inappropriate or whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: just say it.
jcpham: i'm a big proponent of telling the truth
mircea_popescu: truth has nothing to do with it.
blu3gr1ffon: if you have shareholders, it is illegal to do anything that would lower the price of your company
ThickAsThieves: any company that is largely a sales team sucks
mircea_popescu: blu3gr1f1on fuck that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves coca cola is largely a sales team.
mircea_popescu: it can be done, marginally.
Chaang-Noi: new ATH
ThickAsThieves: exception to prove the rule?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu believes in falsifying histroy
thestringpuller: history*
mircea_popescu: i do "?
thestringpuller: How much of the full story does anyone person know?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly the motherfucking point.
mircea_popescu: say it. it doesn't have to be "the truth"
mircea_popescu: it just has to be what you see.
thestringpuller: Or what you want everyone else to see.
mircea_popescu: that only sets you up for the unpleasant situation of this guy
mircea_popescu: http://www.fastcompany.com/3006439/where-are-they-now/exclusive-andrew-masons-last-interview-groupon-ceo
jcpham: sorry i was distracted by imgur and now I'm watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtS2Ikk7A9I
mircea_popescu: you're better off ignoring what people want entirely.
jcpham: what were we talking about
mircea_popescu: jcpham buttseks
jcpham: i do not like this topic
thestringpuller: aha! thats why the bot shorted them. Poor guy.
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.81100, Best ask: 34.86999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05899, Last trade: 34.81100, 24 hour volume: 68642.46395107, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89000, 24 hour vwap: 33.36688
jcpham: wtf is a groupon anyways
mircea_popescu: a glorified mailing list. literally.
Diablo-D3: jcpham: seriously?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no
jcpham: didn't they go out of business
ThickAsThieves: lol at this video
Diablo-D3: its basically a volume discount
jcpham: well i do not shop so idgaf
Diablo-D3: a lot of people collectively take up a discount
Diablo-D3: jcpham: not just items, services too
jcpham: broup buy coupons
jcpham: i get it
Diablo-D3: a lot of companies pulled out of groupon and refuses to honor groupon deals because groupon wouldn't set limits and shit
jcpham: i see
Diablo-D3: group on also had pretty fucked up internal financials
jcpham: groupon promotes consumerism
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 which is a polite way of saying they cooked the books for the ipo
jcpham: i'm violently anti-consumer
pigeons: it has a high carbon footprint
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: basically
Diablo-D3: jcpham: consumerism isn't bad inherently
Diablo-D3: jcpham: like, I'll buy mass produced products…. they just have to be high quality ones
jcpham: when people band together in facebook hoardes to groupon their rent money?
Diablo-D3: like I just bought a $99 9" frying pan
jcpham: why the fuck would you pay 100$ for a pan
Diablo-D3: its an all copper frying pan with a thin layer of 18/10 stainless steel for the cooking surface
jcpham: i barely eat let alone spend money on retarded kitchen goods
Diablo-D3: they normally go for $200+
pigeons: a good pre-seasoned cast-iron skillet?
Diablo-D3: I took advantage of a pricing error
Diablo-D3: pigeons: a good one of those is $20 =P
Diablo-D3: fuck yeah lodge
jcpham: pigeons that's a hand me down
Diablo-D3: can't beat lodge cast iron
Diablo-D3: jcpham: its like this
pigeons: yeah that's what i have ;>
jcpham: grandma hooked us up with the cast iron
Diablo-D3: Im going to own one frying pan the rest of my life thats not cast iron
Diablo-D3: so why not buy the best?
mircea_popescu: pigeons i have some cast iron stuff. the problem with it is the womenz can barely lift the stuff. some sauces require lifting the pot with one hand while stirring with the other
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I wouldn't use cast iron for sauces
jcpham: i'm just poking at you Diablo-D3, if you want to spend money on copper pans and mine bitcoins on Nvidia
Diablo-D3: you use it for meats
pigeons: need stronger womerns
jcpham: be my guest
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: get a 18/10 stainless pot
Diablo-D3: they're light and inexpensive
mircea_popescu: pigeons you fuck 24 inch bicep amazon pikewomen k ?
Diablo-D3: you can get one for like $50-75 depending on what size
jcpham: ;;google pikewoman
gribble: Pepper Pike woman driving force behind Arts Summit in Cleveland ...: <http://www.cleveland.com/chagrinsolonsun/index.ssf/2011/05/pepper_pike_woman_driving_forc.html>; Pepper Pike woman overcomes multiple sclerosis and publishes ...: <http://www.cleveland.com/chagrinsolonsun/index.ssf/2011/04/pepper_pike_woman_overcomes_mu.html>; Northern Pike - Woman River Camp: (1 more message)
Chaang-Noi: you guys know too much about cooking stuff
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.89769, Best ask: 34.89989, Bid-ask spread: 0.00220, Last trade: 34.89990, 24 hour volume: 68050.93419775, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89990, 24 hour vwap: 33.36805
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: cooking is a man's art
pigeons: not pikewomen, just healthy
thestringpuller: to 42
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 often enough you make the sauce in the same skillet you cooked the meat for juice economy.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it depends on the sauce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637776 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ofcourse
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like, I don't ike putting tomatoes in a cast iron pan
mircea_popescu: no acids.
Diablo-D3: or other acidic foods
Diablo-D3: but a white sauce or gravy? thats fine
jcpham: i can honestly say I'm never experienced the word juice followed by the word economy
mircea_popescu: exactly.
jcpham: i think i should take a nap or bleed out or something
mircea_popescu: jcpham you never lived having to save your juice to satisfy many hungry mouths either.
Diablo-D3: jcpham: he basically said "gravy without getting another pan dirty"
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: HAH
mircea_popescu: good one huh.
Diablo-D3: I laughed out loud, Im a bad person. No wait, that other thing, Im awesome.
jcpham: i can't wait to drop "juice economy" on someone
jcpham: when they least expect it
mircea_popescu: then make them pay you bitcoin dust for it.
Diablo-D3: but yeah, I wouldn't have paid $200 for this
Diablo-D3: infact, I didn't even want to pay $100
mircea_popescu: 7 bitcoin, who cares.
Diablo-D3: I was aiming for the $50s
Diablo-D3: but when something like that comes up
Diablo-D3: you snag it
Chaang-Noi: $100 for a pan?
Chaang-Noi: why it is good again?
Chaang-Noi: other than not being cast iron?
mircea_popescu: copper is good cause very conductive
mircea_popescu: medical steel coating cause resistant and healthy
mircea_popescu: (unlike teflon and crap)
Chaang-Noi: what do they make woks out of?
mircea_popescu: bronze i thinl
Chaang-Noi: i think i have a few of them
Diablo-D3: woks are often cast iron or annonized steel
Chaang-Noi: bronze good or bad?
mircea_popescu: lol inb4 new wok selling bitcoin business
Diablo-D3: bronze is fine, although you usually don't see it anymore
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i think he's in asia neh ?
Diablo-D3: stainless steel is the best for the surface though
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure they are mostly steel that we have
Diablo-D3: you can get pans that are pure 18/10 stainless, and they're good
Diablo-D3: copper bottoms are better
Chaang-Noi: fuck, im going to go check.. iv not been in the kitchen for months and im going in to see pots...
Diablo-D3: almost pure copper is 1%er kind of shit
Diablo-D3: there are pro chefs that don't use shit like this
Diablo-D3: Im like this
Diablo-D3: Im too poor to buy cheap shit
Diablo-D3: nanotube knows what Im talking about
Chaang-Noi: i think the stuff we ahve is mostly steel
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: 18/10 steel is what a lot of people have
Chaang-Noi: why is steel bad again?
Diablo-D3: like, commercial grade shit is usually pure 18/10 or aluminum/18/10 bonded
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: its not
Chaang-Noi: okay
Diablo-D3: the best cooking surface you can get is 18/10 stainless
Diablo-D3: its not the best _conductor_ though
Chaang-Noi: i see
Diablo-D3: thats why a lot of high grade 18/10 stainless pans have a copper layer inside
Diablo-D3: the only thing better is as much copper as possible with a thin layer of 18/10 as the cooking surface
Chaang-Noi: i dont think im picky enough id notice the differance
Diablo-D3: how often do you cook?
Chaang-Noi: cook?
Diablo-D3: unless you cook every single day and do hardcore shit, you'd never see it
mircea_popescu: omfg what is with the difficulty ?!
mircea_popescu: am i seeing this right, we're getting a downtrend retarget ?!
Chaang-Noi: if i cant go out of have some one cook for me i will eat bread from the bag and beer...
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: gpis are being powered down
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its the calm before the storm
Chaang-Noi: of = or
mircea_popescu: omfg this is insanity
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: yeah see, Im rejecting most pre made foods
Namworld: I guess a lot of the 25 terahash of GPUs are being removed
Chaang-Noi: so do i
Diablo-D3: Im doing it Real Man (™) style
Diablo-D3: holy shit
Chaang-Noi: we grow much of what we eat
Diablo-D3: osx can automatically spellcheck that
Chaang-Noi: and get local the rest, in the market
Chaang-Noi: but i neer cook it
Chaang-Noi: never
Diablo-D3: huh, why not?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
Chaang-Noi: i dont know, i never have. also spending more than 10 mins trying to get a meal is a waste of time
Chaang-Noi: my wife will spend 2 hours on a meal some times... fucking insane
mircea_popescu: its an artform
mircea_popescu: i hear you say that im thinking "this is like saying spending more than 2 minutes to get laid is a waste of time"
Chaang-Noi: who spends more than 2 hours to get laid?
Chaang-Noi: you know i live in thailand right?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i spent two hours actually cooking yet tho
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the part between meeting the girl and getting her naked.
mircea_popescu: i mean the part between her being naked and you being done
Chaang-Noi: oh, i do BBQ, but i dont really count that as cooking
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: 2 minutes getting laid? wtf, must be an asian thing
mircea_popescu: more like rabbit thing
mircea_popescu: he prolly does it 49 times on an avg day
Diablo-D3: I couldn't get off in 2 minutes if I tried. Infact, I did. Didn't happen.
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: ???
mircea_popescu: what the fucking fuck
mircea_popescu: are we forked ?!
mircea_popescu: we're forked. there's just no way.
Chaang-Noi: ahh sex time, yeah i have done over 2 hours before but not for a while.... 30 mins to an hour is fine...
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi most cooking takes about the same.
mircea_popescu: yest i made shrimp in white sauce with garlic + pasta, took like 25.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, but sex is so much better than food
mircea_popescu: hm
Chaang-Noi: if im goig to spend 1 hour doing something its going to be sex, not cooking:)
mircea_popescu: well obviously different, but both sensual delights.
Diablo-D3: hell, I wouldn't mind doing 8 hours on a meal
Diablo-D3: depends entirely what you're doing
ThickAsThieves: but really, whats going on with the diff
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223776 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17471712.2288 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00477
thestringpuller: uh
thestringpuller: I'm getting June futures
mircea_popescu: wait
thestringpuller: LOL
mircea_popescu: 17 mn ?!
mircea_popescu: holy sheit i read that as 1.7mn
Chaang-Noi: yeah asics on fire
Namworld: not sure we're forked... but looks like someone could do a 50% +
mircea_popescu: look at http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ tho
mircea_popescu: they have very diff numbers.
Chaang-Noi: that would suck, lol
Namworld: unless BFL is testing on top of ASICMINER
thestringpuller: bot isn't in sync...
mod6: yeah, they're showing 3m estimated
mod6: much different than the numbers gribble is giving
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf.
ThickAsThieves: where does gibble pull from
ThickAsThieves: r'
mod6: even the diff change is saying 914 blocks, and gribble is saying 2015 blocks
mod6: err s/914/974
mircea_popescu: gribble wins tho, it's about 2k
mircea_popescu: retarget was earlier today
mod6: yeah, werid
mircea_popescu: maybe charts is off
mod6: ;;bc,nethash
gribble: 33000.822494620807
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoindifficulty.com/
Chaang-Noi: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
mircea_popescu: it's clearly up
mircea_popescu: charts is fucked up, must be
thestringpuller: is the estimate off?
thestringpuller: or is the estimate highest the farther away the next retarget it
thestringpuller: I think it's going to go down very quickly
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: ah
Chaang-Noi: wait three days i guess
ThickAsThieves: stringpuller wins
thestringpuller: good charts Chaang-Noi
Chaang-Noi: thanks
Chaang-Noi: that is what i use
Chaang-Noi: not mine btw
mircea_popescu: sipa is wuile
thestringpuller: wuile? wut dat meen?
mircea_popescu: Pieter Wuille aka sipa, https://github.com/sipa
Chaang-Noi: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223778 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12559483.346 | Estimated Percent Change: 187.54212
Chaang-Noi: 12M now
blu3gr1ffon: who runs bitbet.us?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu does
mircea_popescu: lol
blu3gr1ffon: cool, you made me .7btc mr. mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: watch me get a cake for doing such a good job
mircea_popescu: ahahaha win
kakobrekla: FUUUU
mircea_popescu: lmao totally.
Namworld: oh, bitbet report is in?
mircea_popescu: soonish
mircea_popescu: just as soon as im done cooking the motherfucking books
mircea_popescu: who knew accounting is this hard ;/
Namworld: It's more of being a PITA than being hard.
mircea_popescu: yes exactly.
ThickAsThieves: "This is not the apocalypse. It's just dumb," Mr. Obama told reporters
ThickAsThieves: re: sequester
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: What is the basis for your difficulty prediction?
mircea_popescu: whioch one ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.03401 = 0.2721 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: "Bitcoin next difficulty looks like 17mn, a 300%ish increase. Possibly largest gap since the very early days."
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5830327.65884 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: it was the early estimate.
Bugpowder: that was like 15 minutes ago though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074307 = 3.7154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00074306 = 4.867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00074306 = 0.9288 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it will change in 15 more minutes too
mircea_popescu: yes, early on estimates are noisy
mod6: i just got an email from my bank...they'd like me to donate some food to them.
mod6: o_O
kakobrekla: "people guarding the safes are hungry, f1"
mircea_popescu: mkay, first version of cooked books. http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-february-2013-statement/
mircea_popescu: now let's see if we can get this shit past the auditors
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what say you ?
kakobrekla: lemme see here
imsaguy: There's really not much to cook
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i gave up the weird cash-basis monstrosity i was doing last month
mircea_popescu: because if i kept up with it the report would have been literally uninteligible
imsaguy: just hire smickles already
mircea_popescu: much lighter version now
mircea_popescu: he's pregnant
imsaguy: jesus?
mircea_popescu: jesus had the flu
imsaguy: oh, I thought jesus was coming again
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
blu3gr1ffon: that's why smickles is pregnant
jcpham: http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-01-27/1233029874506.jpg
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
thestringpuller: smickles is super afk
thestringpuller: ^ imsaguy
jcpham: i bet smickles killed someone
jcpham: and he's just laying low
jcpham: he's 182% gangster to the core, that smickles
mircea_popescu: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/678-march-magic-month.html#post10143
mircea_popescu: this is kinda funnay.
mircea_popescu: the person that i'm pretending to be pretending to be or somesuch found it for me. imagine, a girl actually read bfl forums!
[\\\]: heh
jurov: bitbet referrals need whole addy or firstbits are okay?
[\\\]: I'm gonna make a bunch of claims, but then turn around and make a disclaimer that the claims could be false
kakobrekla: whole addy
[\\\]: He's too busy to do his own research but not too busy to make the initial claim
mircea_popescu: moreover... he disclaims whether bitbet is in fact owned by me or not
mircea_popescu: but he knows for a fact i'm a sad panda
mircea_popescu: because you see, there's some girl that keeps beating up on him on the interwebs
mircea_popescu: totally legit.
[\\\]: "one more day, I promise"
[\\\]: cross my heart, hope to die.
[\\\]: ok fine, I hope you die.
mircea_popescu: ;;google one more day
gribble: Spider-Man: One More Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day>; One More Day by Diamond Rio - The Last Time - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UWx-shGM0g>; One More Day Lyrics - Diamond Rio: <http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/diamond+rio/one+more+day_20039940.html>
mircea_popescu: wss this cheezy 90s song
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00611 = 0.0917 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0061 BTC [-]
[\\\]: I'll take your word for it, panda.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00609 = 0.609 BTC [-]
[\\\]: oh wait, inaba said you're a liar
[\\\]: and mommy said I can't talk to liars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.7 = 10.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya except after mpoe-pr walked all over his face on btctalk he has to say it in blfcloset
[\\\]: its easier to make up the rules in your own sandbox
mircea_popescu: "This person seams pretty sure of him self to bet so much money that we wont be seeing
mircea_popescu: A shipment before march, this has me a little worried."
mircea_popescu: very cute tho.
[\\\]: are there april bets yet?
mircea_popescu: yeah there's one like 60 btc
[\\\]: how about may or june?
mircea_popescu: not yet those.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: avalon too
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
[\\\]: I wouldn't take the avalon
mircea_popescu: 10:13 and 24:33 respectvely
mircea_popescu: apparently ppl think avalon has more of a shot ?!
mircea_popescu: in any case this makes me realise, bet arbitraging is now possible. yes one no the other or we
[\\\]: avalon has at least proven a device
[\\\]: even if not shipping en masse
mircea_popescu: that is a point.
[\\\]: what did kanoi hack on?
[\\\]: they shipped him to bfl to develop software, but what did he test with?
FonziSource: the avalon is not the quality i would expect
mircea_popescu: wasn't he on asicminers ?
FonziSource: but i would certainly rock the hashes
pigeons: damint fonzi, pick a nick
[\\\]: FonziSource: I'd expect there to be revisions between what Jeff got and what everyone else will receive
FonziSource: for avalon? yeah
mircea_popescu: prolly.
FonziSource: maybe a more poished product
FonziSource: I've read about the bugs and such
mircea_popescu: my guess would be thatm ost actual units would struggle to reach the prototype performance
mircea_popescu: it's the chinese way after all. soviet import.
FonziSource: but if the only bug is that it hangs every so x
[\\\]: that's not a bug
FonziSource: i'd reboot it prior to x and have a coke and a smile too
[\\\]: thats a feature
[\\\]: the windows miners still like to freak out after 5 days
[\\\]: so its not much different
[\\\]: schedule the reboot and be done
FonziSource: mine is rock-steady mostly yo
FonziSource: i just have the one
[\\\]: it is a bug in cgminer
[\\\]: don't tell them that tho
[\\\]: they'll blame windows
FonziSource: but I've got a cgminer running now since november on linux
FonziSource: non-stop
[\\\]: but basically, there were a few versions of cgminer that run for weeks
[\\\]: the new versions don't anymore
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: upgrade!
[\\\]: there's a leak somewhere :D
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: the whole stratum thing is forcing upgrades
mircea_popescu: i guess so
mircea_popescu: from what i gather the stratum is kinda unavoidable tho
FonziSource: cgminer version 2.4.0 - Started: [November 29, 2012, 12:47 pm] Rig: leviathan
FonziSource: (avg): 1040.85 Mh/s | Q:1714540 A:1896580 R:19689 HW:0 U:14.31/m ST:2258 DW:414493 NB:15431 LW:4265417 GF:292 RF:658
FonziSource: killing it
pigeons: no you can avoid if if you use Luke-Jr's bfgnet
pigeons: what's it called Luke-Jr
FonziSource: GBT
FonziSource: iirc
FonziSource: or is that a street drug
mircea_popescu: big fag net ?
imsaguy: great big tatas
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/41/network-difficulty-under-3-75-million/
mircea_popescu: oddly enough this is almost even money.
Luke-Jr: pigeons: I don't maintain BFGMiner old versions very long either
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 4367876.0008422
FonziSource: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223785 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5112621.65753 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.05052
Luke-Jr: thought [\\\] should know better, and use it since it's got less bugs :P
FonziSource: 20 percent yesterday
FonziSource: so how much did the diff increase
pigeons: doesnt eligius support another overlay protocol in addition to stratum as an alternative?
FonziSource: the last estimate i saw was 20%
Luke-Jr: pigeons: Eligius supports standard GBT of course
pigeons: that's what i was looking for
pigeons: the name of gbt as an alternative to stratum
pigeons: gay bisexual lesbian,
pigeons: err transgender
FonziSource: gay bisexual thespian
Diablo-D3: oh my~
pigeons: gbt miner
pigeons: bitpride.com
mircea_popescu: gluttonous belching thracian why not
FonziSource: definitely bitpride
pigeons: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0023
mircea_popescu: ackageShell provides an environment for software packages to run in.
mircea_popescu: from bitpride.com
pigeons: chef don't judge
topace: has sdice dividend been announced yet ?
kakobrekla: wtf is this free money here
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/41/network-difficulty-under-3-75-million/
kakobrekla: i mean, was.
kakobrekla: silly ppl.
kakobrekla: ah i see im late to the party, was this was already beaten moments ago
kakobrekla: nevermind me
midnightmagic: gbt is really an unfortunate name.
midnightmagic: Hey wasn't there a bet that Josh (from BFL) did about BFL delivery times not that long ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0007499 = 3.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00074991 = 3.946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21238 @ 0.00076 = 16.1409 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610824 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00610823 = 5.4974 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla especially as bet was made after the new diff lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 138 @ 0.006 = 0.828 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic if you mean the bitbet thing it closed recently.
mircea_popescu: topace not yet
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It was pretty big wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: 1.6k
Bugpowder: 13.33k
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/
midnightmagic: jesus, 1.7k.
topace: mircea_popescu: doh i was hoping it would come today so i coud not work this weekend :p
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Oh, does the site not escrow bets?
mircea_popescu: topace possibly might
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the site itself is the escrow.
jurov: kakobrekla, that 3-75-million bet wasn't very visible. i remember myself thinking about it, but then it scrolled down into oblivion
kakobrekla: myeah
kakobrekla: bbl gotta go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess after this march 1st bfl will stand for butteryfly lols
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: What the hell is that last comment bitching at you then..?! When one bets, they actually send BTC to the site right? Who mediates ambiguous bets?
mircea_popescu: tghe site. which last comment ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Scroll way down to the "I am done using this site."
midnightmagic: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/
mircea_popescu: o o. yeah, i dunno. person got bored or w/e
mircea_popescu: if you grep the log there was some wtfing about it earlier
mircea_popescu: "The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security, in response to a failure by the agency to release any documents pertaining to the “Emergency Wireless Protocols,” (Standard Operating Procedure 303 or “SOP 303″)."
mircea_popescu: the lol is strong with this one. this sop 303 thing is supposedly the procedure of how to turn off internets.
mircea_popescu: im sure it exists. especially if called "standard".
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.006 = 0.03 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Doesn't SOP usually imply something that's done all the time?
mircea_popescu: in real world or in obamaworld ?
midnightmagic: Uh.
midnightmagic: Real world I guess!
mircea_popescu: then yes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.006 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in obamaworld things that were never done and can't in principle be done apparently qualify.
midnightmagic: Lame.
mircea_popescu: don't worry, he's creating jobs too
mircea_popescu: that's prolly sop 69
midnightmagic: gobble gobble
midnightmagic: Holy fuck I make good coffee..
jurov: There will be legal action resulting in injuction against or outright ban of sale of Google Glasses (or equivalent Google product) country-wide or state-wide in any country or US state, effective before 1st January 2014. Cited reason may be privacy concerns, patent violation or anything other.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Seriously man. I make fucking awesome coffee.
jurov: is such bet preliminary acceptable?
jurov: kakobrekla ^^^
midnightmagic: jurov: Hey.
midnightmagic: jurov: Guess what.
jurov: what? they're already banned somewhere?
midnightmagic: jurov: No. I make awesome coffee.
jurov: midnightmagic enjoy. i'll keep gulping here this instant shit with stevia.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic wd.
mircea_popescu: jurov i think so
jurov: well it's too broad scope... maybe they'll get banned in baluchistan and we won't know it
mircea_popescu: you said us state neh ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 299 @ 0.01 = 2.99 BTC [+]
jurov: i said us state or anywhere else
jurov: maybe limit it to US state or EU country
mircea_popescu: o yeah
jurov: submitted. we'll see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.7 = 3.4 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.48000, Best ask: 34.50999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02999, Last trade: 34.48001, 24 hour volume: 61642.33337937, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 33.38684
jurov: 34.9 ftw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6835 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: we're breaking 35 arent we
SudsyForce: http://i.imgur.com/81Jun1Q.jpg
SudsyForce: sfw
mircea_popescu: only have one weapon = moustache ?
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rage_(law) also, lol.
SudsyForce: written, produced, and directed by Chris Robinson
SudsyForce: I wonder is Chris is angry
SudsyForce: ;;google chris robinson black rage
gribble: Black Rage (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rage_(film)>; Amazon.com: Black Rage [VHS]: Chris Robinson, Ted Cassidy ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rage-VHS-Chris-Robinson/dp/B00005IBN8>; Charcoal Black (1972) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079969/>
SudsyForce: Two slave brothers, one black, one an albino, discover a treasure map which is taken from them by their foreman. They take it back but are pursued by the foreman. Originally, the foreman seeks the aid of two bounty hunters who pursue the protagonists throughout the film. At the end, both the foreman and the bounty hunters catch up with the two escaped slaves, and the foreman has a change of heart, helping to kill the bounty hunters. ☟︎
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075292 / 0.00076 (264833 shares, 199.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069845 / 0.00078 (17743462 shares, 12,393.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67591125 shares, 45,487.52 BTC)
thestringpuller: mpex has almost his 0.0008 BTC
mircea_popescu: SudsyForce course irl it works more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(convict)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.006 = 13.446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4710 @ 0.00075142 = 3.5392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/hub-nodes
mircea_popescu: the us gets a honorable 4th position.
fydel: MR mircea_popescu: Is there a way to see the exact trade volumes of the mpex stocks? The graphs on mpex.com are nice but I would like to have more infos, Sir.
kakobrekla: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/
mircea_popescu: fydel well, there's the stuff in http://mpex.co/faq.html#11
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.0007529 / 0.00076 (269543 shares, 202.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069867 / 0.00078 (17683122 shares, 12,354.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67573650 shares, 45,476.39 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the 30 day volume comes from the json there for instance
fydel: mircea_popescu: thank you, sir
mircea_popescu: yw
fydel: kakobrekla: thank you,,this looks nice
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 45 @ 0.35 = 15.75 BTC [+]
assbot: brb
assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] [PAID] 1.23456789 BTC to 1`000`000 shares, 0.00000123BTC per share
kakobrekla: aw fuck it went here
kakobrekla: a well fuck it then
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 15 @ 0.2999 = 4.4985 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4920122.48034 based on data since last change | 4642001.13651 based on data for last three days
thestringpuller: there wr go more accurate data
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 38 @ 0.2999 = 11.3962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 2.72083959 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 0.00000054 BTC per share
mircea_popescu: that seems to work.
mircea_popescu: tho it'd prolly be a good idea if per share div was quoted in satoshi
kakobrekla: ok sure
kakobrekla: done
mircea_popescu: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WZOAlyVJY98/TSZt835TmwI/AAAAAAAARwU/CX-qqFCUmJ0/s1600/IMG_1178.JPG
mircea_popescu: isn't she grinning suspiciously.
SudsyForce: in other news I'm having difficulty reconciling this: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/optical_illusion.html
SudsyForce: i may have to take an internet break
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6805 = 4.083 BTC [-]
mjr_: whats up :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
mjr_: mpex website is down?
mjr_: or is it me?
kakobrekla: works here
Bugpowder: hey dudes, got a little troubleshooting question
Bugpowder: anyone game?
kakobrekla: game what?
Bugpowder: importing a cold wallet.dat into my main bitcoin-qt client
Bugpowder: and no balance shows up
Bugpowder: despite it showing the right addresss
Bugpowder: and being fully synced with network
kakobrekla: did you try that rescan option
Bugpowder: and blockchain shows it in there
Bugpowder: no
Bugpowder: did not rescan
Bugpowder: Will that redownload the blockchain?
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: -rescan Rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions
Bugpowder: could it potentially damage my hot wallet?
Diablo-D3: I really should beat Ukto with a cluebat
kakobrekla: well bitcoin can potentially do preetymuch anything including with stabbing you in the face
kakobrekla: make a copy
kakobrekla: bitcoind*
Bugpowder: yes I have a copy
Bugpowder: multiple copies
kakobrekla: well not to worry then
Bugpowder: OK.
kakobrekla: close it, run it with -rescan
kakobrekla: it will take a while
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.82300, Best ask: 34.84999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02699, Last trade: 34.82300, 24 hour volume: 37832.17788346, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.18692
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowder: I am trying to move my main stash into cold storage, just testing how it works now
Bugpowder: thanks for the input
kakobrekla: k
Bowjob: bug, had you been so stubborn you woulda been crushed by your puts
Bugpowder: yes I know
Bugpowder: that is why I exited them
Bugpowder: at the bottom of the 24hr dip
Bugpowder: this market is too damn strong
Bugpowder: trend is your friend
Bugpowder: not that I'm complaining
Bowjob: eh
Bowjob: I'm looking at private islands for a near future purchase.. i wonder which one's the best value for buck
Bowjob: :)
Ukto: Diablo-D3 ?
Ukto: what now ?
Bugpowder: excellent. Thanks kakobrekla
Diablo-D3: Ukto: you don't accept bitcoins directly
Ukto: hopefully in the next 30 days
Ukto: new stuff will be in effect
Ukto: that will make your head spins
Ukto: and it wont matter
Ukto: spin
FabianB: mircea_popescu: mpex dossed again?
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/bitbet-haxxed-in-2013/
Bowjob: wtff
Bowjob: nvm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00075557 = 9.8224 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006389 = 0.6389 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: now we wait for the weekend dip...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 25 @ 0.00072 = 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 925 @ 0.00073 = 0.6753 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148212.new;boardseen#new
Bowjob: O:
Bowjob: "Lessons learned. Batch #2 process will have improvements, minor design adjustments and other goodies."
Bugpowder: O_o
Bugpowder: damn son
Bugpowder: that is like $15,000 down the tubes
Bowjob: theres more avalons than we discovered
Bowjob: but why did both fuck up at the exact same time?
Bugpowder: he stacked them on top of each other
Bugpowder: or there is a faulty batch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6795 = 3.3975 BTC [-]
Bowjob: hopefull batch two will resolve that
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.006389 = 0.0703 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: FabianB is it ?
mircea_popescu: bowjob that avalon bet adjustment seems prescient in retrospect huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.68 = 23.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00076 = 7.372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Sir, they are two avalon located in different rooms. No one touch them because they are all working well last night before I went to sleep."
mircea_popescu: o this poor guy
mircea_popescu: has the distinct sound of ruined family hopes and aspirations to it.
jurov: if anyone desperately needs to place orders, mpex.coinbr.com still works
jurov: at leat stat does
Bowjob: im withholding my bet.. im uncertain'
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: I already bet $1500 on avalon anyyway
jurov: mircea_popescu , no comment? it's ddos?
mircea_popescu: what is ?!
mircea_popescu: site's fine ?
jurov: i can't access mpex.co .. times out
jurov: only via proxy
mircea_popescu: tehn you may have a dns issue locally
mircea_popescu: but the site is on the web.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.685 = 8.22 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co
mircea_popescu: and it never was down today either.
jurov: wtf is this
mircea_popescu: interesting, are you going through the same hub as fabian ?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
mod6: i havent had any problems
mircea_popescu: besides, it trades
jurov: traaaceroute gets this: http://bitbin.it/Malhw4h3
mircea_popescu: also in the news, pinkhouse : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134290700472.jpg
mircea_popescu: FabianB are you also going through the same node as jurov http://bitbin.it/Malhw4h3 ?
kakobrekla: does this pinkhouse have a street address?
kakobrekla: has*
kakobrekla: fuckin iliteral
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only for the initiated
mircea_popescu: jurov it looks like atlas.cogentco is having issues and perhaps dropping packets
jurov: good you have put the proxies in place, i just switched
kakobrekla: well hmm
kakobrekla: im initiated in various stuffs
jurov: interesting that from my bitvps from zurich it works
Bowjob: basically theres more avalons in the wild than we previously thought
kakobrekla: hm?
Bowjob: so.. 298/300 avalons work
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148212.new;boardseen#new
Bowjob: One thing that bothers me.. 2 of them shut off at the exact same time
Bowjob: was it on his end?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder http://gizmodo.com/5987639/scientists-wire-two-rats-brains-together-and-share-a-thought-across-the-internet
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 298/300
gribble: 0.993333333333
thestringpuller: 99% of all Avalon's work, seems like a good job. A+ no?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.27669, Best ask: 34.58835, Bid-ask spread: 0.31166, Last trade: 34.27626, 24 hour volume: 41270.19696629, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.26412
Bowjob: only 34.27?
Bowjob: crash!!!
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 333181.4110 USD and would take the last price down to 32.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.3181 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2800852.7112 USD and would take the last price down to 19.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.0085 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 100000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 71717.994 bitcoins, for a total of 16174263427823.8477 USD and take the price to 13370133701337.0000.
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 34837.9787 USD and would take the last price up to 34.9100 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.8380 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 352432.4425 USD and would take the last price up to 35.9775 USD, resulting in an average price of 35.2432 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: We very well may soon see how many bitcoins have actually been lost...
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4530174.0465 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.5302 USD/BTC.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/all-thatll-do-is-drive-financiers-to-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: jurov pretty nifty system after all huh.
jurov: <thestringpuller> 99% of all Avalon's work, seems like a good job. A+ no? <<<sauce?
thestringpuller: sauce?
thestringpuller: wut dat meen?
jurov: where are all the other 98% ?
jurov: in other news, coinbr unanimously voted to pay me bonuses
jurov: few trillions satoshis
jurov: untaxed
jurov: thestringpuller oh you just made fun, i see
Bowjob: i want to see 1 satoshi 1 cent
Bowjob: :3
kakobrekla: i will sell you a satoshi for 1 cent
kakobrekla: and you can have it.
Bowjob: :/
kakobrekla: what?
kakobrekla: isnt that what you said you wanted?
Bowjob: yeah totally
jurov: i can buy the satoshi for 1.5 cents
jurov: and we'll push the tx to assbot thus making them official
kakobrekla: hehe
Bowjob: does paypal even allow 1 cent txs
kakobrekla: what is paypal?
mircea_popescu: paypal is this amazon scamcoin
thestringpuller: ebay scamcoin*
thestringpuller: ebay owns paypal :P
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is going senile it seems.
mircea_popescu: a distinction without a difference.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637772 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00637773 = 1.9133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00637775 = 6.3778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.00637776 = 31.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 24700 @ 0.00637777 = 157.5309 BTC [+]
jurov: nice
jurov: you remember the story about detergent becoming..er..money?
jurov: i think that was least scammy money ever
jurov: and oh so liquid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00637777 = 1.2756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00075557 = 10.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075142 = 7.4391 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 750 @ 0.14253227 = 106.8992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.6675 = 10.0125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.667 = 2.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.645 = 24.51 BTC [-]
jurov: pity that beercoin didn't catch up
kakobrekla: you have like a million of those?
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: i was given some
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/bitbet-haxxed-in-2013/
mircea_popescu: 1000:1!
kakobrekla: is not gonna happen pft
thestringpuller: kakobrekla is russian
mircea_popescu: he's turkish
kakobrekla: lol
jurov: azerbaijan
thestringpuller: a distinction without a difference << this
jurov: named nationals would mightily disagree
thestringpuller: mircea said it not me
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of diff between turks and russians.
jurov: and thestringpusher is from burkina faso
mircea_popescu: turks fuck their wives in the ass. russians beat them up.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: granted it's painful either way, but still.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.006388 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 33 / (-0.25512908+1)
gribble: 44.3029780247
thestringpuller: ;;calc 33 / (-0.13944319+1)
gribble: 38.3472649528
thestringpuller: ;;calc 33 / (-0.17529893+1)
gribble: 40.0144988293
thestringpuller: ;;calc 35 / (-0.22035473+1)
gribble: 44.8922110436
thestringpuller: ;;calc 37 / (-0.18423278+1)
gribble: 45.3560759649
thestringpuller: ;;calc 31 / (-0.27963952+1)
gribble: 43.0340098613
Bugpowder: Stunt science.
thestringpuller: Stunt science?
Bugpowder: Nicolelis is a genius of stunts
thestringpuller: stunt as in the gangsta phrase? Like
Bugpowder: I was tempted
thestringpuller: "nigga you be stuntin"
Bugpowder: To propose that expt
Bugpowder: He is tight with Lula
Bugpowder: Here is the criticism
Bugpowder: We learn nothing from that experiment
Bugpowder: It's just a cool demo
Bugpowder: But it is a pretty cool demo
Bugpowder: I proposed that expt to a postdoc in his lab and he was like... Yah I'm not supposed to say anything but we already have done that
Bugpowder: 6. Months ago
Bugpowder: Nicolelis has a great sense for sexy science
thestringpuller: Dr. Bugpowder
Bugpowder: For b
Bugpowder: For now...
Bugpowder: Soon to be prof
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 98 @ 0.006388 = 0.626 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Professor Bugpowder, you should take bribes from your students in BTC.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1120 @ 0.006389 = 7.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00639 = 0.639 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: or S.DICE stock
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4731 @ 0.00639 = 30.2311 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.0064 = 14.3424 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6659 @ 0.00641 = 42.6842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.23606086 = 177.0456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: puts capitulation ?
Bugpowder: I would never
mircea_popescu: hahaha so basically avalon 1st april delivery bet is about to overtake bfl 1st april delivery.
mircea_popescu: talk about collapse into irrelevance.
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: dont i get anything for that bet
Bowjob: ?
mircea_popescu: you put it in ?
Bowjob: yeah
Bowjob: i didnt take a side however
mircea_popescu: then yes, when it settles. your addy should be on one of the inputs
mircea_popescu: you automatically get the lower house bet.
mircea_popescu: go check
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/274/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-hopkins-to-win/
mircea_popescu: like 100 btc ? who's hopkins even
Bugpowder: Bernard??
Bugpowder: Is he retired
mircea_popescu: seems not
Bugpowder: Like 5 years ago
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02125, Best ask: 34.02600, Bid-ask spread: 0.00475, Last trade: 34.02124, 24 hour volume: 43518.84638286, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.27453
Bowjob: $34.02.. crash!
mod6: here comes some coins!
Bowjob: mhm, its weekend
Bowjob: oh yeah, weekend dip. nothing to worry about
Bowjob: i wanna sell my avalon batch 2 as a collectors item someday
Bugpowder: Fucking 10000 BTC wall
Bowjob: might fetch quite a price at sotheby's
Bugpowder: Hory weekend dump
Bugpowder: Logging into mtgox
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.37000, Best ask: 33.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 33.40000, 24 hour volume: 46971.71104167, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.23265
Bowjob: the bears are attacking
Bowjob: brb, dumping. see you at single digits
Bugpowder: Massive ask wall at 33.50
kakobrekla: u scared much?
kakobrekla: infidels
Bugpowder: Nah
Bugpowder: Just need to
Bugpowder: Position my buy orders
mircea_popescu: bots need to get repositioned
mircea_popescu: "161 arrested in Saudi Arabia protest over detentions, including 15 women and 6 children"
mircea_popescu: so basically... they have more reason to protest now
Bowjob: saudi people are very good at beheading
Bowjob: way better than the mexicans
mircea_popescu: ya well... they failed to protect irak,
mircea_popescu: then fgailed to protect lybia
mircea_popescu: syria is pretty much lost
mircea_popescu: so now it's their turn.
mircea_popescu: the old jewish story about "when they finally came for me there was no one else around"
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stat
gribble: Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 223830 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1961 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4843098.93958 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.87995
Bugpowder_: the economist cover on Syria was cool
mircea_popescu: it ain't gonna happen.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.71000, Best ask: 33.89879, Bid-ask spread: 0.18879, Last trade: 33.89879, 24 hour volume: 60515.34646797, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09078
Bowjob: dat spread
mod6: wow
mod6: someone's back'in up the truck
maximian: well, that dump was absorbed easily
maximian: this perma-rally is crazy
mod6: shorts have been getting crushed
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/KzY4tPF.jpg
kakobrekla: not too shabby
mod6: dang kakobrekla
kakobrekla: not mine, but i wouldnt mind.
mod6: srsly
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02502, Best ask: 34.13582, Bid-ask spread: 0.11080, Last trade: 34.13583, 24 hour volume: 62126.92918597, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08840
kakobrekla: ;;calc 1500/34
gribble: 44.1176470588
kakobrekla: 44 btc
kakobrekla: each
mod6: wow.
kakobrekla: cheap
kakobrekla: you need to find 2 blocks and you are even
mod6: gtfo you don't have any of those lol
mod6: if I push you 44BTC you'll send?
kakobrekla: 03:47.20 ( kakobrekla ) not mine, but i wouldnt mind.
mod6: yah. aight hahaha
mod6: im like dude, i want one!!!
mod6: you probably would have scammed me for 2
mod6: ass
mod6: *ahem*
mod6: not you FabianB_, scammar kakobrekla
mod6: :P
mod6: tryin to pull the ole "i got asic's!!!" one on mod6
kakobrekla: nah
mod6: hahaa
kakobrekla: but i wouldnt sell em
kakobrekla: even if i had em
mod6: im sayin!
kakobrekla: bbl
mod6: ok.
Bugpowder: Wall got bot?!
mod6: well, then I saw another like 10000 show up on the ask side.
mod6: but yeah, the first 10000 did!
mod6: it was fast
mod6: lets see what gribble says
mircea_popescu: dub http://trilema.com/2013/dazed-and-confused/
mod6: ;;asks 33
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 33.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
mod6: ;;asks 35
gribble: There are currently 5933.3105 bitcoins offered at or under 35.0 USD, worth 206963.560478 USD in total.
mod6: oh hmm.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.69391, Best ask: 33.84351, Bid-ask spread: 0.14960, Last trade: 33.84351, 24 hour volume: 62235.33867428, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08873
mircea_popescu: the calls are gonna make bank.
mod6: yeah, i think my clark moody was screwed up
mod6: i wish kako had those asics
mod6: one of those guys from the other night was like, "LETS GET TWO!!" heh
mod6: they're something of a unicorn methinks
BingoBongo: ;; ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66001, Best ask: 33.89669, Bid-ask spread: 0.23668, Last trade: 33.65062, 24 hour volume: 62649.19977577, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08709
BingoBongo: http://bitbet.us/bet/254/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-35-on/ Resolved?
kakobrekla: it says there
kakobrekla: Betting closed. Pending resolution.
BingoBongo: Is it UTC?
kakobrekla: yea
BingoBongo: Cool
mircea_popescu: did it ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.41001, Best ask: 34.42509, Bid-ask spread: 0.01508, Last trade: 34.40738, 24 hour volume: 62436.63064572, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09427
mircea_popescu: seems not.
mircea_popescu: "stabilization of expected inflation..are products of the increasing credibility of the Fed's commitment to price stability"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha duuude.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's in their tokes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00412 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00198 = 0.0198 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10690 @ 0.00075142 = 8.0327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1860 @ 0.00074926 = 1.3936 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: burnside exchanges down?
mircea_popescu: seems fine
ThickAsThieves: I get Error: Xcoind backend failure in getbalance at 774
mircea_popescu: are you logged in as mircea_popescu ?
ThickAsThieves: nah i sold those 900 shares
ThickAsThieves: works fine in a diff browser
mircea_popescu: http://mises.org/daily/6361/Monetary-Origins-of-the-Poker-Bubble
mircea_popescu: actually a pretty good read.
ThickAsThieves: ok so i opened another browser,
ThickAsThieves: but when i log in
ThickAsThieves: it gives me the error again
ThickAsThieves: when you tested did you log in?
ThickAsThieves: i assume you dont have an account...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.26455015 = 2.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.681 = 2.043 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i just pinged
mircea_popescu: burnside_afk ^
Chaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147504.msg1572916#msg1572916 seen this lol
ThickAsThieves: such an expesive lesson to learn!
Chaang-Noi: well, they lost just a bit
Chaang-Noi: bet right, still lose money however is fucking lol
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly not good for publicity,
ThickAsThieves: but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk
Chaang-Noi: well people should not make a bet when weight is only 75 out of 100,000
ThickAsThieves: don't*
Chaang-Noi: yeah i made like 9% on my late bet
Chaang-Noi: people need to do mathz
ThickAsThieves: also, as mp pointed out, if it was a higher ratio bet
ThickAsThieves: lower weight can still get coin
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk << this.
mircea_popescu: scalper self-owned. duh.
ThickAsThieves: that guy who bet 50 BTC
ThickAsThieves: lost like 11 cents
ThickAsThieves: cry me a river
Chaang-Noi: i just found it funny
Chaang-Noi: i was not complaining
mircea_popescu: i guess bitbet is busting into the mainstream,
mircea_popescu: there's fiddy threads about that it seems
Chaang-Noi: yeah, people who like btc love gambling
Chaang-Noi: crazy...
mircea_popescu: i think people love gambling a liot more than anyone suspects
mircea_popescu: it's just too difficult to do
ThickAsThieves: i had someone justify scratch tickets to me the other day
ThickAsThieves: basically, you can't win if you don't play!
B0g4r7: I liked scalping BoB bets. Lately they've stopped me tho.
mircea_popescu: how ?
ThickAsThieves: dang them DMC shares paid nicely
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147314.msg1568293#msg1568293
mircea_popescu: i like it when she totally shots threads dead
ThickAsThieves: i think one appealing aspect of the company retaining shares as payment
ThickAsThieves: is it make figuring dividends per share simpler
mircea_popescu: how you figure ?
ThickAsThieves: on the fly i mean, like while checking out stock prices on the exchanges
ThickAsThieves: you dont need to memorize or look up how many shares are public
ThickAsThieves: like sdice, how 10% of profit goes to public
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: what you say seems to contradict what you say.
ThickAsThieves: i realize that
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: so, normal company. issues 100 shares, makes 100 profit, retains 30% pays out 70%. dividend is .7 per share
mircea_popescu: weirdo glbse abomination : issues 100 shares, of which it sells 70 and keeps 30 "for growth". makes 100 profit now it pays out 1 per share
mircea_popescu: except each actual share gets a further .3 from the retainment
mircea_popescu: and wtf
ThickAsThieves: pretty much yeah
mircea_popescu: and then later maybe it sells some of the "kept" shares
mircea_popescu: in general it's just a way to equivocate ownership, which practically works as a way for the operator to steal equity.
mircea_popescu: not something you wish to see.
ThickAsThieves: expenses arent exactly difficult to fake either
mircea_popescu: true
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem going forward actually.
ThickAsThieves: for example, this bitcoinpride ipo
ThickAsThieves: who knows what the hell his expenses are
ThickAsThieves: selling shirts
ThickAsThieves: is he printing on demand?
ThickAsThieves: screenprinting in batches?
ThickAsThieves: using a vendor?
mircea_popescu: yeah
Chaang-Noi: mp, i was told if we deposit 1000 btc on mpex we get a free account. true or not?
mircea_popescu: not.
mircea_popescu: Hi there, I would like to start correspondence with you, i have seen your profile and i'm very interested. I'm looking for loyal, romantic and intelligent guy for serious relations.
mircea_popescu: ok, who's been spreading shit about me ?
BitHub: that's cheating spamming whore
BitHub: -'s
mircea_popescu: I dunno dood. she signs "Respectfully yours, Tanya" and her email is Sorokian83@yandex.ru
mircea_popescu: seems legit.
BitHub: don't let her go bro, follow your heart
mircea_popescu: "[WTB] $ Get Me a Digital File(s) From the Internet $ johnniewalker"
mircea_popescu: is this guy serious ?!
kakobrekla: mornin.
mircea_popescu: dude bitbet was haxed!
Chaang-Noi: ?
BitHub: not again
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148350.0
mircea_popescu: gotta love this stuff. asicminer/bitfountain dropped the ball on handling their shares ?
mircea_popescu: that's ok, the market will do what it can.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the next company learns to be less retarded from this.
BitHub: hmmmm
BitHub: asicminer PT
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00074766 = 7.5514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.0007476 = 0.4486 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610823 / 0.00637054 / 0.00637777 (37300 shares, 237.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00578039 / 0.00624256 / 0.00638999 (351758 shares, 2,195.87 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00601894 / 0.007395 (6807830 shares, 40,975.93 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00601894*40000
gribble: 240.7576
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4194032.01349 based on data since last change | 4324654.12955 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.00849 = 0.1528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.00849 = 0.0679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20845732 = 208.4573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23388811 = 233.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26266949 = 262.6695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 8 @ 0.27533866 = 2.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 992 @ 0.29501916 = 292.659 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aaand the oix jumps two dolla
kakobrekla: 36 O_o
kakobrekla: almost 37
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: these are exciting times
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi what you're probably thinking about is the fact that if you trade worth somethign like a few k's worth you make your mpex reg fee back out of the fees difference.
mircea_popescu: also i nthe news, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/28/girls-gone-wild-bankruptcy/1954419/
BitHub: oh no
BitHub: who will document these beautiful creatures?
mircea_popescu: their bfs ?
Chaang-Noi: mp it was something your pr girl told theymos
mircea_popescu: a, a that.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that was strictly an offer related to his forum moneyz.
mircea_popescu: like a one off sort of thing. (he missed out on it too)
Chaang-Noi: that did not seem to be clear
mircea_popescu: a well. we live, we clarify.
Chaang-Noi: just wondering, i passed up the free account with no string attached anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda found why he was doing that with the forum moneies, he wanted to do fraction reserves...
Chaang-Noi: seems like a cover to spend it..
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.0906 = 0.1812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: from what i recall you got really hot and bothered because you missent something like a 1 btc
mircea_popescu: back before mpex, in the mpoe days
Chaang-Noi: ?
Chaang-Noi: mpoe?
Chaang-Noi: i passed it up cuz i assumed an exchange with high fees would never work, and other than s,dice that seems to be true, and i think s.dice is way to high and i would not ahve invested in it anyway.
BitHub: my lawyer advised me to not use mpex
mircea_popescu: BitHub did you get a signed paper and everything ?
Chaang-Noi: lol, why did you waste your lawyers time? what did you really think he would say?
Chaang-Noi: what lawyer anywhere would think an unregistered stock exchange in fake internet money was a good idea??
BitHub: i'm jk :)
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as it's fake internet money, what diff does it make.
mircea_popescu: BitHub pity, i'd totally have put it up in the faq
BitHub: haha
BitHub: i like your faq
BitHub: "this is dog"
mircea_popescu: it may be dog, but it's a bitch for translators.
mircea_popescu: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-01/business/chi-square-told-to-stop-processing-mobile-payments-in-ill-20130301_1_mobile-payments-illinois-regulators-cell-phone
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20812111 = 208.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23354686 = 233.5469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26232486 = 262.3249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29467593 = 294.6759 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/1/4054762/obama-strikes-back-after-illogical-jedi-mind-meld-comment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.68 = 5.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20807672 = 208.0767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23350323 = 233.5032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26228253 = 262.2825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh my.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29463549 = 294.6355 BTC [-]
error4733: can some1 can explain thids for me please ?
Bugpowder: Big beta
Bugpowder: Bets
error4733: still a noob for this kind of stuff
error4733: bet on 37$ ?
mircea_popescu: on just a little under 37 i think
Bugpowder: More like $50
mircea_popescu: no wait. actually, on 44
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: oix calls side says 44.0
mircea_popescu: but i guess the person is probably going for the psychological 50
error4733: what the name of this order ? (needed for google)
mircea_popescu: error4733 call options ?
Bugpowder: Yah
error4733: this
error4733: thanks ;) i told you i'm a noob hehe
mircea_popescu: dude if we have a new max in feb and break 50 in march...
mircea_popescu: true that it's a long (5 week) month
Bugpowder: Those need it to hit 46.5
ThickAsThieves: not unlikely
Bugpowder: At least the 37s
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 38136.24 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 1443933.18817 USD in total.
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 37
gribble: There are currently 18088.055 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 641235.039706 USD in total.
error4733: same wall as 32$
mircea_popescu: mil and a half. somehow it doesn't look like much at all.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this signals the top is in.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20803246 = 208.0325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23345974 = 233.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26224033 = 262.2403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29459517 = 294.5952 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If its that other big fish, it will prob tank within 24 hours
mircea_popescu: he's gonna buy the whole book isnt he.
Bugpowder: He will exit for a 30% loss
mircea_popescu: lol i recall that.
Bugpowder: And it will then bounce
mircea_popescu: to 50
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: it totally happened once
Bugpowder: And continue up to 50
Bugpowder: Last month
mircea_popescu: wasn't it end of jan ?
Bugpowder: Happened twice
mircea_popescu: i recall the huge puts scramble end of jan
Bugpowder: End of jan with the short puts
mircea_popescu: ya
Bugpowder: And again mid feb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0063777 = 63.777 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Heyyo
mircea_popescu: 777 is that some sort of payout ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.646 = 17.442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.646 = 12.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6455 = 1.9365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6452 = 1.9356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.6451 = 7.7412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.642 = 22.47 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hmm, i have an idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0063777 = 31.8885 BTC [-]
error4733: ? i'm still drunk ? those order should normlay got a [+]
ThickAsThieves: price went down -
ThickAsThieves: interested in hearing this idea
error4733: http://www.onerandomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jackie-chan-meme.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.642 = 12.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.665 = 4.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20799254 = 207.9925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23342052 = 233.4205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 18 @ 0.262 = 4.716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 982 @ 0.26220227 = 257.4826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29455881 = 294.5588 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00000027 / 0.00000041 / 0.00000045 ( shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 ( shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: so the more people factor this OIX into their decisions, the more it manifests it's own value
ThickAsThieves: genius
mircea_popescu: ok so, the low is put oix, the high is call oix, the avg is mixed oix.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves virus :D
Bugpowder: Love the oix idea btw
mircea_popescu: :)
ThickAsThieves: so is an oix asset coming up too?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 (no shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ahaha check that out, i can now hax assbot.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well possibly. i think it's not heavy enough yet to trade.
mircea_popescu: maybe a decent idea for a PT, but i'd be loath to introduce it to mpex, have someone dump 5k on it
mircea_popescu: when itself it's only based on like 8k atm and may at any time zero out even
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20795276 = 207.9528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23338143 = 233.3814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26216435 = 262.1644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29452258 = 294.5226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yup he's buying the book, no doubt about it
ThickAsThieves: yeah i was mostly thinking about potential PT too
ThickAsThieves: now this is def beyond my knowledge,
mircea_popescu: actually it would prolly make a wunderbar hedge for anchoring tyhings like ltc
ThickAsThieves: but buying the book essentially puts him in control?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in a sense. it takes the bot out of the offer market, so he might be able to offer them back at w/e price suits him
mircea_popescu: but its limited
ThickAsThieves: i think there's a lot of potential for playing ltc assets and ltc in general against btc
mircea_popescu: ya possibly.
ThickAsThieves: ive been buying up stuff
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely you'd make a oix bet that's too big in ltc, because ltc is kinda small.
ThickAsThieves: ltc=.0788 usd
ThickAsThieves: .00243 BTC
ThickAsThieves: i'm tempting to get into botting on BTCe
ThickAsThieves: but its one more thing for me to learn
ThickAsThieves: you can push the price so easy
ThickAsThieves: even a 5000ltc buy at the right time of day sways the price for a while
kakobrekla: ;;calc 5000*.00243
gribble: 12.15
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: LETS FUCK UP LTC WITH 12 BTC
error4733: it's the plan with my SD div
ThickAsThieves: hehe,
ThickAsThieves: depends on time of day
ThickAsThieves: like right now 5000ltc doesnt make a big dent
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20790871 = 207.9087 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but last night it did
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23333813 = 233.3381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26212234 = 262.1223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29448245 = 294.4825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 5k ltc is what, like twenny bux ?
ThickAsThieves: 413
ThickAsThieves: if someone took 100-150btc into btc-e
ThickAsThieves: you could control it probably
mircea_popescu: speaking of socks, http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/482780_10151514214651427_1000150296_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5000 * .0788
gribble: 394
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: aww y not in the wot
ThickAsThieves: i'm a noob
ThickAsThieves: is why
mircea_popescu: so get reg'd.
ThickAsThieves: i should
ThickAsThieves: curious, why did you look me up?
mircea_popescu: because i am looking for a ltc broker.
ThickAsThieves: ah
kakobrekla: what are your evil plans mp
ThickAsThieves: crash ltc
mircea_popescu: they're not evil he said knowingly.
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20734514 = 207.3451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23274072 = 232.7407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26148834 = 261.4883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29382066 = 293.8207 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i think i did that right
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20730639 = 207.3064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23270264 = 232.7026 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;getrating ThickAsThieves
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 642 @ 0.26145139 = 167.8518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 697 @ 0.29378535 = 204.7684 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: seems you're there.
mircea_popescu: and the book's gone on the low end
ThickAsThieves: ok now i did it
ThickAsThieves: missed the bcverify step
ThickAsThieves: so now i should call in some recent people i transacted with to get some ratings in there right?
ThickAsThieves: ;;getrating ThickAsThieves
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!ThickAsThi@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net . User thickasthieves, rated since Sat Mar 2 08:19:18 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thickasthieves
ThickAsThieves: yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.6 = 14.4 BTC [-]
jurov: _;;rate ThickAsThieves -10 welcome
ThickAsThieves: :P
jurov: >:D
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: in the push receipt, quantity will be split with a thousands separator right? like 1`456`231 ?
topace_: Your order to push 1xS.DICE ...etc
mircea_popescu: let me check that for you
mircea_popescu: no, it will not.
topace_: ah k thanks. just /[0-9]+/ then?
mircea_popescu: uyp
mircea_popescu: no dots either, an integer value
topace_: perfect
mircea_popescu: incidentally : you can test push by pushing to your own account
mircea_popescu: to your heart's content.
topace_: ooo good to know!
topace_: thanks
topace_: im _almost_ ready to do a test :)
mircea_popescu: it person is like "yes, you said no separators there because people may want to use it programatically"
mircea_popescu: im like... dude... totally. back in january
topace_: haha nice
topace_: well programatically i wouldnt care, just need to konw one way or another
topace_: no difference between /[0-9`]+/ and /[0-9]+/
Bugpowder: 36000 calls
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 30 @ 0.3 = 9 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: frizz is stickin to it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147914.msg1575388#msg1575388
ThickAsThieves: many will agree with him
ThickAsThieves: idc
ThickAsThieves: but they will
B0g4r7: I don't know the story, but if the fees are disclosed in the terms and he didn't read or agree to them, then tough hash.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.0007476 = 5.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00074398 = 1.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6799 BTC [+]
mjr_: hello everyone
mjr_: whats new everyone?
topace_: just finishing my mpex->havelock push code
topace_: looking for testers soon :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
blu3gr1ffon: /j #nachatroom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7794 @ 0.00074398 = 5.7986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41791 @ 0.00073993 = 30.9224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00073886 = 3.285 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm
blu3gr1ffon: man motion
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00002, Best ask: 34.09012, Bid-ask spread: 0.09010, Last trade: 34.09012, 24 hour volume: 45679.51468007, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 34.01969
error4733: ;;ticker m s.dice
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
mjr_: is there a unicode character for bitcoin yet?
error4733: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_symbol
mjr_: thanks :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla big surprise there.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/277/bitbet-haxxed-in-2013/
mircea_popescu: lol bet clearly says "all nos will be refunded"
mircea_popescu: people bet no.
mircea_popescu: win.
jurov: someone used faucet to annoying end?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00075672 = 3.3644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23938 @ 0.00075673 = 18.1146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00075712 = 7.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14713 @ 0.00075713 = 11.1397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8427 @ 0.00075999 = 6.4044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37974 @ 0.00076 = 28.8602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 502 @ 0.000763 = 0.383 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, mpex.co is still unavailable from here
Bowjob: now where is that mpoe havelock pt
jurov: maybe i fell into their new anti-ddos filter :(
mircea_popescu: there's a filter ?
mircea_popescu: "Evernote resets all passwords after user information stolen in security breach"
jurov: maybe they decided to start one... it's too specific and long-standing to be some routing issue
jurov: mircea, can you pls ask the datacenter or at least give me their email?
jurov: or whoever might be responsible
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there's no such thing.
mircea_popescu: can you see trilema ?
jurov: nope
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: lesee, can you see ukavra.com ?
jurov: "You’ve found Pe fuga …"
mircea_popescu: ya well, that's in the same dc, so.
jurov: so, yes
mircea_popescu: try ditching your dns service provided by yiour isp and use google instead for a day
mircea_popescu: see if it clears it
jurov: look into the traceroute i put yest, if the ip is correct
mircea_popescu: gimme link again ?
jurov: http://bitbin.it/Malhw4h3 63.247.64.94
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134024.msg1493309#msg1493309
mircea_popescu: what a thread killer.
Bugpowder: Maybe this is a catchier headline... http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19jdmw/bitcoin_options_index_oix_price_sentiment/
mod6: frickin finally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.56 = 3.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.56 = 4.68 BTC [-]
mod6: just got this huge problem fixed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.55 = 6.2 BTC [-]
mod6: damn grails app was shitting the bed.
mircea_popescu: good for you
kakobrekla: in the news ...Bit4X Affiliate program
kakobrekla: http://bit4x.com/news.html
kakobrekla: is it clear?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder pretty cool stuff
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla haha cool
mircea_popescu: sounds eerily familiar :D
kakobrekla: :DDD
kakobrekla: i admit.
mircea_popescu: "The bonuses may be withdrawn"
mircea_popescu: this makes it sound like it's taken away
kakobrekla: its not taken away, you just dont have the right to withdraw it before that
kakobrekla: its abuse protection
mircea_popescu: yeah i figure
kakobrekla: costs nothing to register unlike in your case
mircea_popescu: "To protect against the situation where someone deposits, gets the bonus and immediately withdraws this offer is only valid for accounts which trade at least X"
kakobrekla: ok sounds better
kakobrekla: gonna switch
kakobrekla: ty
mircea_popescu: np
error4733: what is the last div for asicminer ?
Bugpowder: you could have the bonus vest after x days or y trading volume
kakobrekla: hm, i guess so
kakobrekla: ah well it is what it is now
mircea_popescu: i read that as a bonus vest originally
mircea_popescu: and i was thinking whoa mmorpg
Bugpowder: up to 4th place
Bugpowder: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: who;'s got a reddit acct ? vote the man's story!
Bugpowder: lol
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Options Index (^OIX) price sentiment indicator hits all time high ($42.66 / BTC) (self.Bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: submitted 1 hour ago* by Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: commentshare
mircea_popescu: 6
mircea_popescu: 15
mircea_popescu: Bitcoins price sentiment at a bearish weekly high, still twice as many believe in higher prices within 6 months. You agree? (self.Bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: funny.
mircea_popescu: right next to each other.
Bugpowder: no link karma unfortunately
Bugpowder: Yah that dude has a little internet vote button
Bugpowder: yawn
mircea_popescu: what's a "bearish weekly high" ?!
Bugpowder: I couldn't figure it out
mircea_popescu: it's one of those cases where his point is like the puss in a zit
mircea_popescu: you're sure it must be in there somewhere, but you really don't want to dig it out
mircea_popescu: in other news, romanian politics (in english) : http://trilema.com/2013/no-seriously-not-much-of-a-priority-anymore/
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you're up 12 votes now, and check ouit the comment
jurov: too just looking on it
jurov: lol
Bugpowder: <sigh>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.675 = 1.35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with a little luck the comment'll get more upvotes than the article itself
Bowjob: aight. my electrum wallet doesnt work wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00075923 = 12.1477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1262 @ 0.00075924 = 0.9582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10457 @ 0.000763 = 7.9787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076342 = 7.6342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00076508 = 10.9024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00076655 = 8.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076844 = 7.6844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6799 = 1.3598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00076944 = 8.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.2674139 = 173.819 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 27.06923527 / 42.61596516 / 44.80704907 (no shares, 12,332.19 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.19001, Best ask: 34.24800, Bid-ask spread: 0.05799, Last trade: 34.24800, 24 hour volume: 40994.03888350, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.96591
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 12332.19*33.96
gribble: 418801.1724
mircea_popescu: this oix thing... it's actually pretty grounded
Bugpowder: I just wonder how much of the tracking of it to BTC price is due to the MPOE bot's algorithm vs. true market sentiment
Bugpowder: there is, of course, a limit to how far a put or call imbalance can push the OIX
Bugpowder: also, have you examined its predictive power?
mircea_popescu: actually, there was a point where the oix was pushed to like 90
mircea_popescu: the red horiz line on the graph
mircea_popescu: but how do you mean about mpoe bot ?
Bugpowder: was that near opex?
Bugpowder: whatever you call the option market making bot
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i think miodterm. i think it was on an otherwise empty book someone buying some weird far out call
Bugpowder: like at this time horizion out, even a 100-0 call put ratio can only push the OIX so high dependent on the call price
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Is the OIX the like CO2? A trailing indicator?
Bugpowder: :)
mod6: ahh, its in the vwap now :)
mod6: sweet
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well, haerd to tell really.
mircea_popescu: what do you make of that graph ?
Bugpowder: it's highly correlated!
Bugpowder: you, or someone (or me) should look at it's predictive power
Bugpowder: is there historical option trade data available?
mircea_popescu: well, if you kept the logs...
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if you promise to write a good statistical analysis and publish it i'll send you the ~300 datapoints on that graph
mircea_popescu: daily oix and daily btc/usd vwap
Bugpowder: Let me consult with my statistical wizard friend
mircea_popescu: by all means.
jurov: to me it looks more just glorified call/put sold ratio
Bugpowder: of course if there IS predictive power
Bugpowder: maybe I don't want to publish ;)
jurov: because most of calls have same breakeven point, puts likewise
Bugpowder: jurov the C750T calls dont
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the thing is, my bet is that there is predictive power of arbitrary precision for contiguous subsets
mircea_popescu: which are dispersed in the full dataset
mircea_popescu: it'd only be fair in the fucked sense that term takes in any natural science/
mircea_popescu: jurov they don't really have the same breakeven point
jurov: i found them being +- 1BTC
mircea_popescu: draw the graph if you will, it's a symetrical butterfly.
jurov: er... +-1USD
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.P290T sells 0.14869039
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.P590T sells 0.96290455
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 29 / (1 - 0.14869039)
gribble: 34.0651622622
mircea_popescu: eh my bad
ThickAsThieves: gonna try and explain bitcoin to the wife tomorrow...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 29 / (1 + 0.14869039)
gribble: 25.2461413906
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 59 / (1 + 0.96290455)
gribble: 30.057498211
mircea_popescu: 5.
jurov: so,i remember wrong again.. maybe i considered just narrower range
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.C290T = 0.32626257 ; O.BTCUSD.C590T = 0.06210314
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 29 / (1 - 0.32626257)
gribble: 43.0434746664
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 59 / (1 - 0.06210314)
gribble: 62.9067038352
mircea_popescu: 19
mircea_popescu: there's a very speciffic=looking graph of the options breakeven points if you calc them all out
thestringpuller: it's all pointing to 42
thestringpuller: imo
mircea_popescu: totally.
thestringpuller: :)
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.06157 U.S. dollars = 26.1649793 Euros
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136226300119.png
mircea_popescu: looking at it roughly : A totally took a bite of concrete, B sort of predicted something, but muchkly exaggerated.
mircea_popescu: C however actually predicts.
mircea_popescu: so maybe predictive power is actually monotonous.
mircea_popescu: monotonic*
mircea_popescu: also the crazyspike pre-A does sort of predict
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.02000 U.S. dollars = 26.1330466 Euros
Bugpowder: Hmmm.... Is this 24hprc?
mircea_popescu: yes
Bugpowder: A lot of the option purchases occur when there is a large divergence between realtime spot price and 24hprc
Bugpowder: in which case, we might be able to say (the spot price predicts future 24hprc)
Bugpowder: as filtered through options purchases.
mircea_popescu: this is not actually true tho.
mircea_popescu: for instance right now
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.10101, Best ask: 34.20462, Bid-ask spread: 0.10361, Last trade: 34.02000, 24 hour volume: 40252.89496290, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.95090
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the difference is small, yet i just sold 80% of the month's book
Bugpowder: that big option buy today is the exception that proves the rule
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: many times it was the case that large buys didn't match the theory
Bugpowder: bah
mircea_popescu: moreover, there was a huge differential for days till yest
Bugpowder: maybe
mircea_popescu: that yielded no actual purchases
Bugpowder: bah
Bugpowder: humbug
Bugpowder: ok
mircea_popescu: well it was a good theory, but i don't think it meets the data so far
Bugpowder: well MY options purchases occur during divergence periods
Bugpowder: hehehe
mircea_popescu: that's fine :)
mircea_popescu: but sometimes you made and sometimes you lost on that strategy
mircea_popescu: so in short i doubt the short term anything but weakly predicts the vwap
Bugpowder: It's available! http://imgur.com/UBC60Vf
Bugpowder: BITCOIN is not though
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 94 @ 0.002125 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.12900 U.S. dollars = 26.2167768 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7549 @ 0.00077 = 5.8127 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: sweet
Bugpowder: love getting SMS from localbitcoins.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7382 @ 0.00077 = 5.6841 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: haha for the tesla ?
Bugpowder: still working on that
Bugpowder: got a USB stick for that wallet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.6 = 9.6 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: just waiting for coins to go up a bit more...
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: Also need to move to LA
Bugpowder: so you know, I can charge my car
Bugpowder: my bit car
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.674 = 13.48 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Sums up this subreddit pretty well."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wibn
mircea_popescu: who did that ?
mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19jdmw/bitcoin_options_index_oix_price_sentiment/c8omekb
mircea_popescu: that's your guy.
jurov: hehe thx
jurov: i'm just engrossed deep into taming mktdepth data to be used in google spreadsheet
jurov: since namworld failed in that
jurov: or he just exhausted all time in making pretty background, dunno
kakobrekla: lol
Anduck: yea man listen him!
Anduck: remove 30btc fee and make it point + click
Anduck: and preferable drag&drop too
mircea_popescu: im too busy with http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134290700472.jpg
jurov: also, existing coinbr users may want to put their referral link there... but i may as well keep these 0.2% to myself :P
Bugpowder: oh my
Bugpowder: that's nice
thestringpuller: Images sent from mircea_popescu pie chart: http://i.imgur.com/1Y97ZnK.png
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller :D
kakobrekla: you are overestimating bitcoin part
kakobrekla: take of a zero.
Bugpowder: there is no overlap?
kakobrekla: off
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you take it off.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder yes there is. proof : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136026418899.jpg
kakobrekla: lol
Bugpowder: I liked the previous one 100,000,000% more
thestringpuller: He photobombed us with balls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.00610825 = 0.6719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00610824 = 3.0541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610823 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1747 @ 0.00601401 = 10.5065 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00501, Best ask: 34.12401, Bid-ask spread: 0.11900, Last trade: 34.12401, 24 hour volume: 37039.65816349, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.80800, 24 hour vwap: 33.87769
mircea_popescu: a well.
thestringpuller: when do satoshi dice dividends pay?
mircea_popescu: any day now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to play path of exile with my all-female clan. bbiab.
thestringpuller: You get some good potential sitcom/dark comedy plots in /r/BreakUps: http://www.reddit.com/r/BreakUps/comments/19jjeu/one_of_his_five_girlfriendsat_the_same_time/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00073887 = 11.8219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5554 @ 0.00073886 = 4.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96 @ 0.00073315 = 0.0704 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134799.msg1576586#msg1576586
kakobrekla: kinda funny.
jurov: fuck, i forgot to run monthly fee :D
Bugpowde_: Wonder how much time he spent on that
thestringpuller: Bugpowda
thestringpuller: You are my favorite scientist atm. Bill Nye ain't got nuttin on you.
Bugpowde_: <3
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.71002991 = 60.3525 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.64837795 = 145.885 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.58814383 = 264.6647 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.52952177 = 357.4272 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.47272814 = 385.2734 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.41800212 = 284.2414 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.36560587 = 162.6946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 295 @ 0.31582454 = 93.1682 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.26896955 = 28.2418 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;ticker m oix^
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
jurov: ;;ticker m ^oix
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
jurov: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 28.20780706 / 40.92334054 / 44.82313733 (no shares, 14,082.43 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: just 0.02 change?
Bugpowde_: shorting
Bugpowde_: ?
Bugpowde_: Bot buys don't count
jurov: why? only sells?
jurov: that's nonsense
Bugpowde_: Nprpreents double counting
Bugpowde_: Prevents
jurov: if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no?
thestringpuller: (42 - 51) / 51
thestringpuller: ;;calc (42 - 51) / 51
gribble: -0.176470588235
Bugpowde_: Dunno
Bugpowde_: Those were real buys
Bugpowde_: Not shorts
jurov: it should have no regard where the options come from
jurov: anyway based on my spreadsheet shenanigans, the breakeven point is a bit different from real profitability
Bugpowde_: It moved over $2 btw
Bugpowde_: The calls only price didn't move
Bugpowde_: But tr joint price dropped to $40
jurov: from 44.80704907 -> 44.82313733
jurov: avg is the middle number? ah yes
thestringpuller: Topic jack: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100426131644AAKwLMj - discuss
Bugpowde_: Inhibitor23 reddit comment reeks of mp writing it
Bugpowde_: I never answer questions that end with "discuss"
Bugpowde_: Such a presumption that the question is worth discussion!
TradeFortress: Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
kakobrekla: 5btc
jurov: TradeFortress ask topace he's doing pt
jurov: or burnside?
TradeFortress: hmm I thought burnside had enough shares for now
thestringpuller: "mircea, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't confuse coinbase and coinlab. you'd also have invented antigravity and a time machine, but that's beside the point." - whatcha have to say about that mr. popescu?
TradeFortress: but thanks jurov
jurov: ;;id denialdenial
gribble: Error: "id" is not a valid command.
denialdenial: what up yo
denialdenial: i let my slip show
thestringpuller: jurov: is my account just inactive? I don't have to register and blah blah blah aain no?
thestringpuller: again*
jurov: you don't have to do anything. but it's good to check just in case
denialdenial: y u ident me
denialdenial: i havve a new nick so waht want to fight about it
jurov: i remember paying out s.bvps to someone who has withdrawn everything (perhaps thinking he'll avoid monthly fee which isn't the case)
jurov: ;;dox denialdenial
gribble: Error: "dox" is not a valid command.
TradeFortress: lol
thestringpuller: that was me jurov
thestringpuller: SO
thestringpuller: what's that supposed to mean
thestringpuller: I'm going to have HUGE monthly fee?
thestringpuller: >:(
thestringpuller: IF and only if I were to ever go back.
jurov: as long as there's anything on your account (even if you have 0 btc), you pay
thestringpuller: congratulations! the first BTC Debt account ever created by moi cause I'm never logging back in if that's the case har har har
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 24 @ 0.20220992 = 4.853 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, i went to extra hassle to intimidate poor namworld into paying out
mjr_: hi all
kakobrekla: hi
jurov: and this is the result. in the future i'll just terminate the asset without any recompensation >:D
mjr_: thanks for following me :)
jurov: and refer everyone to thestringpuller :D
mjr_: @btcshares
thestringpuller: all the money that I had in conibr went to smickles
thestringpuller: so I will refer people to smickles
mjr_: you are bets of bitcoins right?
kakobrekla: no
mjr_: oh nvm
mjr_: thought that was a nickname for bbet
kakobrekla: bitbet?
kakobrekla: bets of bitcoins is some other site
jurov: thestringpuller, srsly. so you want to wipe the acct completely?
mjr_: yes, i see they are two different sites now
mjr_: hey jurov, sorry i am negative, should i liquidate a position or can we wait for s.dice dividends?
mjr_: i thought they would be in by now
jurov: they will be anytime till March 5
mjr_: k, if that is too long i can liquidate mpoe
mjr_: or i will just fund some more
TradeFortress: prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th
mjr_: yeah, i'll fund some more, should be in by tomorrow morning, hopefully i can scoop up some more s.dice too lol
mjr_: TradeFortress: pretty sure they will just cut it off at the 28th and the rest goes toward next month
mjr_: i know that whole group is on a trip at the moment
mjr_: but from what i saw on a forum post, it seems they had a good month
TradeFortress: hmm yeah
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-disaster/
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no? << no. bot's sales only.
TradeFortress: LOL
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller : that's nice, my antigrav unit is humming quietly in the basement. now what ?
mjr_: lol nice post mp
mircea_popescu: i bet.
mircea_popescu: <TradeFortress> prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th << that's not how it works, divs are for feb
thestringpuller: voorhees is busy atm
thestringpuller: just like everyone
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, yeah, I get it now
TradeFortress: :)
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: 4:1 for. i wonder
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.006296 = 0.2392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: EDIT: I found a formula which is almost correct for WEIGHT > 3000, it is:
mircea_popescu: Reward = TOTAL * 0.99 * MY_BET * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0) / Sum_all(winning_bets * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0))
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla dude that's rad.
kakobrekla: :DD
mircea_popescu: he actually interpolated with logs and whatnot ?!
kakobrekla: yeah i was liek wtf mate
mircea_popescu: at least he doesn't have cauchy operators in there
mircea_popescu: or like, wave functions.
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: maybe even rand()
mircea_popescu: stfu giving away secret bitbet sauce like that
kakobrekla: ;)
mircea_popescu: "This is awesome! I didn't even know such an exchange existed."
mircea_popescu: reddit.
jurov: maybe that dude ran critticall over bbet data
TradeFortress: reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19jdmw/bitcoin_options_index_oix_price_sentiment/c8ol2c0
mjr_: lol, this is the best irc channel ever
mjr_: someone should really make a tv show about bitcoin...the drama lol
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress yea totally.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it is!
mjr_: note to self: start writing pilot based on bitcoins
jurov: er... plot?
mircea_popescu: jurov like seinfeld.
mjr_: no pilot
mjr_: pilot episode for people to watch and decide to buy a season
mjr_: not that i have ever done that
mjr_: but hey how hard can it be right lol
mjr_: maybe go straight to netflix or something
jurov: i recommend it to involve satoshi building it all only for him be able to raise money for clay mugs workshop and troll around
mircea_popescu: i'd like to do a porny show.
mircea_popescu: it'd be a sitcum
mjr_: HAHAHA
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't have the time / it doesn't pay enough
mjr_: you know what they say...
mjr_: the man who does what he loves never works a day in his ligfe
TradeFortress: Unexpected token )
TradeFortress: fuuu
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the funny life of this guy who lives with like, 5 chicks.
mircea_popescu: that are naked while indoors
mircea_popescu: and sometimes outdoors
mircea_popescu: and sometimes wear strange contraptions
mjr_: if anyone wants to see a really crappy website, feel free to check out btcshares.com
mjr_: its basically just a placeholder
jurov: and judging from the photos, never wear hair
mjr_: for now
mircea_popescu: did TradeFortress make it ?
mjr_: nope, yours truly
mircea_popescu: jurov notice that all hair is wet ?
mjr_: 100% mjr original
TradeFortress: what?
mjr_: except for all the copying and pasting
mircea_popescu: lmao welcome to donate bitcoin
mircea_popescu: that's a concept
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: yes
mjr_: that is the service i provide
mjr_: a place to donate bitcoins to me
mircea_popescu: it's also not alligned
mjr_: i know
mjr_: which is extremely annoying to me
mjr_: like i said, placeholder
mjr_: i worked on all the backend stuff today
mjr_: tomorrow i try to do design stuff
jurov: data-address="1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX"
mjr_: but i set up twitter, email, admin stuff...and got the website online
jurov: i stole ya address
TradeFortress: mjr_ doesn't even change the cursor
mjr_: tomorrow we design
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress just jabbing at you re your forum encounter
mjr_: which cursor?
mjr_: oh for the donate button?
TradeFortress: yup
mjr_: yeah, well, i included that only to try it out
mjr_: and cuz i wanted to get the btcshares label for an address
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, lol
mjr_: although maybe i will try to get a vanity address
mjr_: i made that site in under an hour just to test switching domain stuff and getting dns in order
mjr_: like 5 min might be more accurate as far as design and aesthetics
jurov: do you sell ads?
mjr_: no
mjr_: don't plan on it
mjr_: i plan on just hosting my performance and financials there
mircea_popescu: are you in the wot ?
mjr_: eventually
mjr_: i am not as of yhet
mircea_popescu: do that first.
mjr_: good idea
mjr_: how do you establish trust though?
mjr_: i am not going to trade at all
mjr_: i just use exchanges
mircea_popescu: performance as financials as to what then ?
mjr_: oh, i am getting $ clients
mjr_: people who know about bitcoins probbably can figure it out for themselves
mjr_: but old people with cash can't
jurov: mjr_ if you use coinbr you can ask me to look up. i'll then rate you like "-10 did not pay coinbr monthly fee"
mjr_: lol
mjr_: true
mjr_: although to be fair i paid most of it so far
mircea_popescu: mjr_ lisrten, that's half of the story. what do you do with the bitcoins ?
mjr_: s.dice
mjr_: mpoe
mjr_: options
mjr_: etc
mircea_popescu: so suppose one day you loan some shares out to someone
mircea_popescu: rated.
mjr_: hopefully lend them
mircea_popescu: some other day maybe you borrow.
BitHub: i currently do this for older or newb people as well
mircea_popescu: rated.
mircea_popescu: etc.
mjr_: yes very true
mjr_: i will need it
mjr_: and i will probably eventually need a seat on mpex
BitHub: i charge a 10% helpers fee
mjr_: i also have a mining operation getting under way
mjr_: FPGA's...
mjr_: but not little puny ones
mjr_: BIG ones
mjr_: hoping for 10GH per card
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: which cards are these ?
BitHub: make sure you try ordering from BFL labs today
mjr_: start with 3 cards...not the best, but still half an avalon almost
mjr_: Virtex-6's
mjr_: way larger than spartans or altera's
mjr_: 40nm process
mjr_: hoping for 10gh per
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'd buy new fpga's today tho
mjr_: maybe overly optimistic
mjr_: lol, buy
mircea_popescu: but if used and a good price i guess may be a good deal
mjr_: free and sitting around
mjr_: no electricity
mircea_popescu: o that works
mjr_: yep
jurov: mjr_ there's sometimes a good deal on -otc too, i got amazon codes, small paypal payments and like
mjr_: 3 of those, plus maybe one virtex 5 if worth it
mjr_: jurov: good point
mircea_popescu: he has a point. also, you'd think i'd never trade. yet recently i got like a dozen sa gift certs.
mircea_popescu: it was nice and easy
mjr_: what is sa?
mircea_popescu: some forum
jurov: haha
mjr_: oh yeah i remember
mjr_: lol
mjr_: that was funny
mjr_: anyways, i have 3 small projects and one big one
jurov: the bitch ain't one
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mjr_: the fpga miners, the boutique hedge fund, and a bitcoin horseracing sitte
mjr_: the big one...is big
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:651ee0e4570cc2d14ea53173c276c5bce82d794a92202d3779ffbf90
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 too much stuff to list. inquire within.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 3 to 5.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated nefario
gribble: You rated user nefario on Tue Sep 25 02:55:21 2012, giving him a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: runs a scammy btc securities exchange . associated with the bitcoin consultancy scammer group..
mircea_popescu: whoa i got him early.
mjr_: who is nefario?
mircea_popescu: ;;rated davout
gribble: You rated user davout on Sat Dec 8 05:09:24 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central.net paymium etc.
jurov: mjr_ do you know about glbse? he was its owner
mircea_popescu: ;;rate davout 3 bitcoin-central.net paymium etc.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 3.
mjr_: oh yea
mjr_: i heard about that
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 180 @ 0.006296 = 1.1333 BTC [-]
mjr_: asicminer is from there right?
mjr_: just starting to get everything back together from what i read
mjr_: mircea do you ever use btc-e?
mjr_: or anyone else for that matter...
mircea_popescu: i never used btc-e
jurov: mjr_ only for small litecoin trades
mircea_popescu: if i used anything it'd prolly be davout's ting
mircea_popescu: ;;rated jurov
gribble: You rated user jurov on Fri Sep 28 03:13:37 2012, giving him a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: runs coinbr.com, MPEx broker website.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate jurov 4 runs coinbr.com, MPEx broker website.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4.
mjr_: lol nice $17 spread
jurov: where?
mjr_: on bitcoin central
mjr_: only ask is at $47
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
mjr_: bids at 30
mjr_: yep
mircea_popescu: mjr_ they're euro tho
mjr_: no
mjr_: i switched to dollars
mjr_: oh i get what you mean
mircea_popescu: well their dollar market has like... no epth
mjr_: very small dollar volume
mjr_: ah yeah, their euro book is a lot better
mircea_popescu: inexplicably they have little euro depth too
mjr_: well yeah, but better than dollar for sure
mircea_popescu: but they seem to me more trustworthy than anyone else on the strength of actually getting the bank partnerships right
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why uptake so low.
mjr_: well, i hope to change that
mjr_: working on an aggregated order book...and then hopefully a routing and matching engine
mjr_: that is the big thing
mjr_: hoping to get a big source of volume soon
mjr_: open up a new market
mjr_: and need to provide a steady access to all markets to convince them
mjr_: that is basically what my company already does for equity markets in US
mjr_: routing and flow
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00996 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
mjr_: buy from this dark pool, sell on that one
mjr_: etc
mjr_: so if someone would just do that for btc it would make everyone's lives a lot easier
mircea_popescu: you can probably handle it on otc if you know the rifght people
mircea_popescu: which is what makes your wot suddenly crucial for your success.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.008299 = 0.0581 BTC [-]
mjr_: well, its all about automating it
mircea_popescu: not until you've made your contacts it isn't.
mjr_: well, my partner is working on the order flow
mjr_: and we already have some sick back end infrastructure
mjr_: data center colocation etc
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is primarily about who you know.
mjr_: and some really nice enterprise level matching engine and algorithmic trading unit
mjr_: and yes it
mjr_: is
mjr_: i def do need WoT
mjr_: can i work on it tomorrow?
mjr_: if you guys are around?
jurov: tomorrow is sunday, we're closed
jurov: :P
mircea_popescu: lol you just need the bot
mjr_: lol
mjr_: i mean, what address should i use?
mjr_: should i maintain a separate one for business and personal?
jurov: mjr_ i think most of us have one common address/privkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.66 = 9.9 BTC [-]
jurov: and it isn't clear to me why/how would you want to manage separate webs of trust
mjr_: well
mjr_: i mean as long as i run my business it would be important for me to have a high wot rating
mjr_: but if i were to leave...i couldn't leave it to someone else
BitHub: it depends
mjr_: could i?
BitHub: is your business pandering hard to the community or mainstream?
mjr_: mainstream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.0007449 = 8.29 BTC [+]
BitHub: then i wouldn't worry about WOT so much
mjr_: well, still important
BitHub: to the community
mjr_: even from marketing perspective
BitHub: mainstream have no clue about it
mjr_: of course
mjr_: but you know how people list stuff on websites
mjr_: and i may need to do stuff using otc
BitHub: yeah
mjr_: but would rather my corporate persona was the one who had the trust
mjr_: i don't plan on doing a lot personally
BitHub: don't get caught up in a rating war tho
mjr_: yeah
BitHub: could be damaging to business rep
mjr_: true
mjr_: like i said, i haven't used otc yet
mjr_: and maybe i might toy with it
mjr_: but i want computers to deal with stuff like that
jurov: we'll see how it goes. dunno if there was anyone who maintained corporate persona on wot
mjr_: the matching engine and such
mjr_: yeah, i kind of like how it is very personal here
BitHub: yeah there's no point
BitHub: better off having a customer feedback thing on your site or osmething
BitHub: quotes from mainstream professionals
mjr_: well, as i said, my goal is to be a layer between a big mainstream source and a bunch of exchanges
BitHub: "wow this site is really good" Mark Cuban
mjr_: ideally the mainstream end users wouldn't even be aware of me
BitHub: compared to
BitHub: +1 yeah we had a good trade - BitHub
mjr_: there are some companies that have 20-30k accounts
mjr_: and all those guys do is trade forex
mjr_: but they would need a STRONG source of liquidity
mjr_: and the best bids and asks
BitHub: BitHub is currently building infrastructure, investing and networking within the Bitcoin community and the Mainstream to bridge the two together to provide a very straight forward, trustworthy, professional services.
mjr_: and enterprise level hardware with some big financial people behind it
mjr_: yeah that is the goal right
mjr_: i have been disheartened by how hard it is for people on wall street to get in the game
mjr_: for example
mjr_: traders at my firm have half a mill to play with at work
BitHub: isn't it about to get alot easier for them
BitHub: via coinlab
mjr_: yeah...believe it when i see it
BitHub: or tell your wall street buddies to buy into a bitcoin company
mjr_: not to mention...it would just be a mt gox pass through
mjr_: prop traders
mjr_: they don't own their positions
mjr_: and they trade with high leverage
mjr_: intra day
BitHub: that's where you come in my friend as a Bitcoin Broker and you do it for these people and charge them a broker fee
mjr_: they couldn't invest outside of work
BitHub: don't teach them
mjr_: yes
mjr_: true
mjr_: but they can't press buttons to make bitcoins appear on their screens
BitHub: outsource some helpers from china
mjr_: and till someone makes it so that you can use etrade (def not what we use) or like a sterling or laser type platform
BitHub: they don't need to, they just go to your site, type in a code or whatever and can see their balance
mjr_: professional traders can't get involved
mjr_: i mean, their accounts with their money can't connect to my website
mjr_: and it isn't really their website
mjr_: i mean their money
mjr_: they get to trade with 20x or more leverage
BitHub: cant you set up your own bank account and get these people to dump the fiat in there?
mjr_: but they leave all that at the office
BitHub: and then you make the bitcoin buys for them?
mjr_: i would love to
mjr_: but again
mjr_: basically they have to use their trading accounts
mjr_: and their trading accounts connect to nyse, nasdaq, edgea, edgex, bats etc
mjr_: so they can buy stuff from there
mjr_: and that's all
BitHub: i see
jurov: mjr_ have you seen bit4x.com or 1broker.com ?
mjr_: and that is how most of finance is
BitHub: so you need a bitcoin platform that can kind of plug into that exisiting platform?
mjr_: yes
BitHub: because they're using their coporate trading accounts
mjr_: i need them to be able to plug in bloomberg
mjr_: or whatever
BitHub: which is like really big money
mjr_: yes
mjr_: if they open up their own accounts it might be 500
mjr_: their professional accounts might be over 1 mill
BitHub: 500g's?
BitHub: jesus
mjr_: no $500
BitHub: oh
mjr_: traders don't do it at home
mjr_: or maybe a little
mjr_: but again typically with their 401k or their investment account
mjr_: the goal for me is to not make them open up a new account
thestringpuller: what the fuck are you all on about?
BitHub: hmmm follow the coinlab stuff
mjr_: but rather give them something to buy with their existing accounts
mjr_: i've been watching
BitHub: maybe you can act as a broker for them via that site
BitHub: so they only have to deal with you
mjr_: too long; didn't read: wall street professionals don't open up new accounts for all their trades, they use their existing high margin accounts
mjr_: that's the goal for the platform, plug into existing infrastructure
mjr_: and become the gateway for that infrastructure to the bitcoin world
BitHub: but the exisiting infrastructure its not like you could plug gox right into it yeah?
mjr_: nope
mjr_: not as of yet
BitHub: there's alot of licences, government approval wallstreet approval etc etc
mjr_: well yeah
Ukto: BitHub: I wouldtn btoher with coinlab
mjr_: but it is mostly a matter of getting the deal
Ukto: there will be other options for gox
Ukto: before their thing hits
mjr_: yeah
Ukto: trust me on this. ;)
BitHub: Ukto ;)
mjr_: my point is that everyone doesn't use nasdaq to trade aapl
BitHub: we talked about it yesterday
mjr_: even though aapl is listed on nasdaq
mjr_: i can buy aapl on any one of a ton of differrent venues
mjr_: and they all have different fees, volume, prices
mjr_: so i can pick and choose
mjr_: so someone has to offer choices and volume
mjr_: its a long tough road i think
mjr_: which is why i am more excited abvout my small easy projects
mjr_: which are already coming together
mjr_: lol build a miner
mjr_: when i showed a trader what i was doing, he was like "why aren't you scalping this all day, like do it right now"
BitHub: so i dont understand the problem
BitHub: why they cant buy bitcoins using their coporate accounts
mjr_: well
mjr_: lets go through it
mjr_: of course they have no way of sending an electronic order
mjr_: so let's say they call me
mjr_: because they trust me
BitHub: or do an order via your site
BitHub: if you had a live chat option like i do
mjr_: and say hey, i wanna get 1000 btc right now, what kind of price am i looking at?
mjr_: let's assume i actually had the market data to tell them
mjr_: looking at all the exchanges and finding the best price
BitHub: okey
mjr_: ok, i wanna buy it
mjr_: give me the money
BitHub: it would probably just be based on mtgox price
mjr_: ok, well, i have to wire the money out of my account, and then i have to wire you the money
mjr_: ok see you in 5 days then
mjr_: see the problem?
BitHub: you cant float it for him?
mjr_: i suppose i could
BitHub: lul
mjr_: but not at that amount
mjr_: and not in any way that would make me money
mjr_: the point is to be able to use the existing accounts so i don't hve to worry about their funding
BitHub: start off baby steps
BitHub: start with 1000 dollar limit maybe
mjr_: since funding is always the worst part of bitcoin trading
mjr_: mt. gox...10+ days to verify using dwolla
BitHub: let me tell you a secret
BitHub: i buy outside of mtgox and its always cheaper than the current market price at that time
mjr_: and again, they just did a trade with their own money and it didn't really relate to their job at all
mjr_: yeah of course
mjr_: but speed is the key here
mjr_: and also, your P&L will show your account
mjr_: not what you do with some person outside of the system
mjr_: ie. you want to have this be a trade done as part of their profession, not as a side job or something
BitHub: you need direct relationships with miners
mjr_: true
mjr_: that is the synergy with the fpga project i have going on
BitHub: or set up a seperate branch to your company that's strickly a bitcoin mining company
mjr_: if i can get the equivalent of half an avalon
mjr_: it'll be a nice little start
mjr_: but suffice it to say
BitHub: and you can start writing off equipment and electricity against your bitcoin mining company
mjr_: lol, no cost equipment or electricity
mjr_: but yeah
mjr_: i see your point
mjr_: what i am planning on doing
mjr_: and what we are working on
mjr_: is a symbol on a platform where people already trade dollars, euros, pounds and yen
mjr_: so now it is dollars, euros, pounds yen and bitcoins
mjr_: ie. i don't have to worry abourt your funding, or settlement, i just worry about executing orders against the bitcoin exchanges
mjr_: and collecting fees
BitHub: sounds good
thestringpuller: I'm taking preorders for bitcoin beer.
mjr_: their forex company, who has said they are interested, would take care of the accounts, but they would offer one more symbol for their traders
BitHub: so you're actually working on software?
mjr_: we have a top tier software system in place
mjr_: lol
mjr_: my boss at my day job called it "a ferrari on a dirt road" lol
BitHub: haha nice
BitHub: sounds good and a bit crazy what you're doing, keep my updated :)
BitHub: me
mjr_: yeah, but it basically would have like a matching engine so say account #25671 wants to buy and account #12543 wants to sell, it can match them internally, saving us the fees from mt. gox or wherever
mjr_: that is internalization
mjr_: with 30k accounts...we can prob do quite a bit of internalization
mjr_: and with volume, we can lower our rates at gox, and cut better deals with others
BitHub: just you know whatever you do, don't let those guys ruin bitcoin hey?
mjr_: of course not
mjr_: i want them to see this as an introduction
mjr_: so they start using it in everyday life
mjr_: AND, if it works, get interviewed on CNBC
mjr_: lol
BitHub: :)
mjr_: and that day
mjr_: my little boutique tiny hedge fund will post some amazing gains
BitHub: how far off are you?
BitHub: 1 year?
mjr_: well...not sure, we got the software and the servers and the location
mjr_: my partner/boss is meeting with those guys for our company (day job) but also selling them on this idea (our own side thing)
BitHub: based in the usa?
mjr_: NYC
mjr_: so, if our deal goes through
BitHub: yeah of course heh nyc exchange
mjr_: for my day job
mjr_: it is fairly reasonable odds that this other thing goes through
mjr_: providing we can deliver a stable good source of liquidity to them
mjr_: so i am mostly working on that right now
mjr_: i think its probably 50/50 at best that it'd done in a year
mircea_popescu: what's your idea of liquidity ?
mjr_: depends, i am not exactly sure what the demand would be
BitHub: i'm still a startup myself trying to figure this stuff out, based in Australia / Asia check us out sometime - bithub.asia bithub.com.au bithub.biz
mjr_: but ideally, they could move large amounts of money relatively quickly and without too much slippage
mjr_: very cool BitHub
mjr_: i'm definitely hoping to partner with people in some way or another in the future
mjr_: if they can provide access to markets
mjr_: i would really like to work with bitfloor since they are NYC based, but i would like to have routes everywhere
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mjr_: also i could hopefully leave orders on bitfloors books to get liquidity rebates
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.006296 = 1.574 BTC [-]
BitHub: btw does anyone have any of those ASICMINER shares?
jurov: here someone was offering just few hrs ago
jurov: <TradeFortress> Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
mjr_: darn
mjr_: i missed that
mjr_: actually talked to him too
mjr_: i would love to pick up some
mjr_: lol whats funny is that that company is more like a private equity thing than public company
mjr_: people always making back room deals and stuff
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-february-2013-statement/
mircea_popescu: updated with nice graph
BitHub: mjr i'm all about partnering up and collaboration if you want help or access to australian/asian markets in the future, lets hook it up :)
mjr_: k guys gotta run
mjr_: def
mjr_: good talking to you all
mjr_: best channel on IRC bar none
mircea_popescu: jurov for my curiosity, the guy on reddit that "couldn't waiot" till another nonfee exchange opened
mircea_popescu: and then got all excited about coinbr
mircea_popescu: did he perchance actually make an account ?
jurov: maybe, he did not let me know
mircea_popescu: twitter "Why do the same people that say A baby in the womb is not life Say bacteria is considered "life" on Mars?"
mircea_popescu: me "Because there's plenty of wombs and scarcely any bacteria on Mars. Abundance cheapens."
mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kC5MT2r5U8s/TBk0BAwNKkI/AAAAAAAAPLw/5wYilxC2V2c/s1600/nuke+explosion.jpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00643 = 0.1543 BTC [+]
TradeFortress: ^ lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00580008 = 5.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580007 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580006 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 38 @ 0.00580004 = 0.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580004 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00580002 = 11.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00580002 = 29.0001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00577614 = 11.5523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00569655 = 11.3931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550002 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: hmmm
kakobrekla: maybe that ian baked got some shares to sell
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: .0055 pre div is pretty nice
Bugpowder: wish I had a bid up
Ukto: kakobrekla: he wants a large price :)
kakobrekla: hm?
Ukto: ian
kakobrekla: how much does he want?
Ukto: was very high is what I was told
kakobrekla: no number?
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/l/uy/1RdE4K2G/sdice.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00077011 = 7.7011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00077012 = 0.3851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0055 = 2.2 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Ukto
thestringpuller: You stole my coins
Ukto: 0,o
thestringpuller: ;;getrating Ukto
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User Ukto, rated since Tue Jun 14 21:24:56 2011. Cumulative rating 17, from 12 total ratings. Received ratings: 12 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Ukto
Ukto: I deed?
thestringpuller: jkjk
Ukto: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00076144 = 1.4467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00500051 = 10.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23879 @ 0.0050005 = 119.4069 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hehe
Bugpowder: YES
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055 = 3.3 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: why yes?
Bugpowder: my bid got hit
pizzaman1337: ah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16121 @ 0.0050005 = 80.6131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00500002 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: when do S.DICE divs come out?
Bugpowder: soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40000 @ 0.0050005 = 200.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00500002 = 5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: oh shyt
pizzaman1337: that's a lot of movement
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500001 / 0.00529899 / 0.0063777 (116945 shares, 619.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00500001 / 0.00595337 / 0.0063799 (353812 shares, 2,106.38 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.0060038 / 0.007395 (6898878 shares, 41,419.50 BTC)
Bugpowder: I'm out of powder
pizzaman1337: just don't run out of bugs
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: will it actually dump below .005?
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/k/IK/1ptRixZ7/sdice.png
kakobrekla: its fun to watch rt :)
Bugpowder: Even with no whale, I think S.DICE is worth .005
mircea_popescu: pts are missing out lol
kakobrekla: at least mpex is not closed on the weekend, right pizzaman1337 ;)
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: yeah, rest of the world is closed
Bugpowder: ;;calc .000133/.005
gribble: 0.0266
pizzaman1337: is that what percentage the dividend will be if the price is at 5?
Bugpowder: yes
Bugpowder: I also believe that the whale lives
Bugpowder: with a different address allocation strategy
mircea_popescu: remarkably sparse book on s.dice
mircea_popescu: 0.00637769 64`615 / 13`131 0.00444440
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: damn
Bugpowder: need more coins
pizzaman1337: don't we all
Bugpowder: someone really wants to dump a big load
Bugpowder: but not below .005
Bugpowder: aha
Bugpowder: the 637k ask wall is gone
mircea_popescu: ya seems like someone putting in a wall at 50 would prolly get a good chunk
Bugpowder: must be that guy
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "How you gonna choke a legend ? You don't think I want to choke people ? You can't just choke all your problems, it takes hard work. If I had my way, I'd never work. I could stay home all day watch Scarface 50 times, eat a turkey sandwich and have sex all fuckin day. Then I'd dress up like a clown and surprise kids at schools. Then I'd take a dump in the back of a movie theater and just wait til s
Bugpowder: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.66 = 2.64 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I'm gonna be sad if he drops to .004
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00077012 = 3.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5963 @ 0.00077014 = 4.5923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: quick someone by the fucking x.idiff.mar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I'm selling for fucking .0599
Bugpowder: a steal
thestringpuller: what's your X.IDIFF priced?
mircea_popescu: how;'s it gonna get to 6mn ?!
mircea_popescu: it has one retarget till then, and it's not going up 200%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6431 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: SHUT UP
Bugpowder: !!
mircea_popescu: lol
Bugpowder: It could retarget twice
Bugpowder: if the hash rate really ramps up
mircea_popescu: well sure, if we go to like 50 Ph
Bugpowder: only really needs to double
Bugpowder: right after next diff
mircea_popescu: next diff is in like 2 weeks-ish
Bugpowder: yes
pigeons: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4555697.65506 based on data since last change | 4400318.08082 based on data for last three days
Bugpowder: Mar 14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: oh fuk
pigeons: ;;nextdiff
gribble: Error: "nextdiff" is not a valid command.
Bugpowder: he is gonna dump
Bugpowder: I can feel it
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: dude leave 100 shares
kakobrekla: leaves
kakobrekla: each time
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: at 5
kakobrekla: well maybe he is going to lose patience
kakobrekla: lets get ready or smth
mircea_popescu: back to .00008
mircea_popescu: or w/e da fguck it was
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.643 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.642001 = 1.284 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: let's have some fun, I put 1 S.DICE buy on the book... maybe he'll take it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: im setting a few
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.00500001 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: heh
Bugpowder: won't go below .005
Bugpowder: lets test his will
pizzaman1337: or below 0.00500001
kakobrekla: see again he left 100 sitting there
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: lets pull a trick
Bugpowder: that's weird
Bugpowder: that is botlink
Bugpowder: botlike
kakobrekla: nah
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: is that your 0.00499999?
Bugpowder: mine
Bugpowder: :)
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
kakobrekla: let me try smth see if it works
gribble: Current Blocks: 223988 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1803 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4550550.25106 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.18222
thestringpuller: wow
mircea_popescu: i wonder if like 20 years from now when s.dice is like better than microsoft
Bugpowder: 500,000 shadow S.DICE shares being sold at .005
mircea_popescu: people will look back to like, 10k btc pizza moment
Bugpowder: http://heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/pizza/
pizzaman1337: nobody is keeping track of trades, are they? Besides on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: oooo
Bugpowder: tempted to deposit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: fuck
mircea_popescu: wha ?
kakobrekla: i missed it
kakobrekla: that cocksucker leaves 100 shares there
kakobrekla: from the last order
kakobrekla: i wanted to get mine hit and cancel it
kakobrekla: before new one comes
kakobrekla: so there is nothing at 5
kakobrekla: was too late
kakobrekla: somebody placed it after me and mine leftover was hit
kakobrekla: now someone else has a leftover
pigeons: ok canceled it
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: rofl
kakobrekla: i see
kakobrekla: now lets see if he drops
pizzaman1337: I wonder if the seller is in this room, watching amused
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005 = 2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok time to rollback all trades
thestringpuller: stop cheating
mircea_popescu: lol
Bugpowder: my .00499999 gonna get hit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: THERE
Bugpowder: oh my
mircea_popescu: lol
Bugpowder: who bought it?
Bugpowder: SHOW YOURSELF
kakobrekla: you did?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599993 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: heheh
Bugpowder: BOUNCE
mircea_popescu: lol
pizzaman1337: that was the share I bought earlier
kakobrekla: scalpin the mpex spread with 1sd share
pizzaman1337: profit! :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0048 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: a
Bugpowder: now its getting serious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599994 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: who is trolling
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: dudes keep filling my db with bs
thestringpuller: fuck yo db
mircea_popescu: ima implement the eu tx fee
pizzaman1337: no, that'd be lame
mircea_popescu: except keep the proceeds for buying ho's skimpy outfits
pizzaman1337: you need to distribute those outfits among shareholders
pigeons: prolly wont fit me tho
kakobrekla: 100@0.00500001
kakobrekla: im thinking its himself.
mircea_popescu: ha
mircea_popescu: that's a thought, somebody trying to cause a panic to load up
Bugpowder: most likely
Bugpowder: nah
Bugpowder: not a panic
pizzaman1337: right before a div?
Bugpowder: but the 100 bid
kakobrekla: ya
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nah ?! that's exactly what you would say
mircea_popescu: IF YOU WERE DOING IT
mircea_popescu: konspiraci
kakobrekla: :D
Bugpowder: I dumped my dice when I figured out no whale
mircea_popescu: also in the news, i ate out today.
Bugpowder: I bought some back when I found another network of 10,000+ coins
pigeons: it probably is him cause the other 500001's were me and this one isnt
mircea_popescu: law here is you can use receipts for deductions if < 100 lei per.
mircea_popescu: so i told the waitress to split up my bill accordingly.
mircea_popescu: she came up with three things.
mircea_popescu: first was a total of 69
pigeons: i figured i'll buy at that price and take the div
mircea_popescu: 2nd was a total of 69
mircea_popescu: third was a total of... 69.
Bugpowder: 69 is a restricted number on california license plates
Bugpowder: only cars from 1969 can use it
mircea_popescu: lol!
Bugpowder: I learned this today when checking custom plates
mircea_popescu: what you're serious ?!
Bugpowder: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00550001 = 0.55 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/ipp2/initPers.do
Bugpowder: look it up
mircea_popescu: this is why that country is going to shit
mircea_popescu: too many dumbass "rules".
Bugpowder: Is deprived on IRC?
Bugpowder: he seems awefully well informed for not being on irc
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder pretty much the only guy with a clue outside of irc
mircea_popescu: ;;seen deprived
gribble: I have not seen deprived.
ThickAssLaptop: Deprived doesnt do IRC
mircea_popescu: he does show up ocasionally tho, we've chatted
ThickAssLaptop: i asked him
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00996 BTC [-]
ThickAssLaptop: Deprived knows his shit, runs some great ltc assets
runeks: DAMN. this one is taken. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/wasapp/ipp2/processPers.do?plateChar0=H&plateChar1=8&plateChar2=S&plateChar3=G&plateChar4=N&plateChar5=H&plateChar6=8
Bugpowder: H8SGNH8?
mircea_popescu: try P4NT1E5
runeks: Bugpowder: yes, I was going to get H8RSGNH8, but there's a 7 character limit
runeks: mircea_popescu: I bet that wouldn't be allowed. I mean if they ban 69...
mircea_popescu: wait. panties aren't allowed ?
mircea_popescu: gotta go commando now ?
runeks: mircea_popescu: dunno. I'm just guessing.
swhitt: there was some dude that had CUN7 or something in west virginia
swhitt: crazy west virginians.
runeks: it's always west virginians
mircea_popescu: there should be a law all virginians must be named Ian
swhitt: Ian doesn't sound very west virginian
mircea_popescu: Virgin Ian ?
swhitt: haha
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the big deal, some dork has CUNT on his license plate. so who cares.
mircea_popescu: "yes officer, i saw it, was a pink and green 1971 pontiac with CUNT license plates"
swhitt: http://instantrimshot.com/
swhitt: it's america so everyone without anything else to do decides they have to care
swhitt: and start a crusade against it
mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs.
swhitt: indeed
mircea_popescu: i blame men.
mircea_popescu: women that don't get fucked often enough and raw enough get bored
mircea_popescu: and a bored woman is the bane of all government.
swhitt: you'd do wonderfully in american politics :)
mircea_popescu: i bet.
swhitt: probably'd get ~50% of the vote
mircea_popescu: as long as i'm counting them i ain't getting under 90
swhitt: blame it on the hanging chad
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/23/where-are-they-now-the-hanging-chad-guy/
swhitt: anyone have any bets on whom one should bet ~$20k on for asic hardware (actual hardware, not shares)?
swhitt: foregoing the fact that it is still a gamble at this point
runeks: good question
swhitt: I have a cilent or two who are interested
ThickAssLaptop: there's no good answer
swhitt: yeah...
swhitt: that's what I said
ThickAssLaptop: bfl is the most real company i guess
ThickAssLaptop: asicminer shares might be a stable choice...
ThickAssLaptop: but all risky
runeks: If I had $20k to invest in Bitcoin it wouldn't go to any ASIC company
swhitt: runeks: yeah, I said "buy bitcoin, throw some at SDICE but keep most of it in BTC"
mircea_popescu: swhitt http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: take your pick
runeks: swhitt: I think that's good advice.
swhitt: but they are interested in hashing etc.
ThickAssLaptop: start a litecoin farm
ThickAssLaptop: thats my advice
runeks: swhitt: what do you mean? are they interested in making money or supporting the network?
swhitt: what's ltcbtc fx rate now
swhitt: the guy's loaded and wants to geek out
swhitt: plus the prospect of making money makes it more fun I guess
swhitt: 1 ltc is only 0.0024 via btc-e now...
swhitt: 0.0024 btc
ThickAssLaptop: look at the usd rate too
runeks: I have a hard time believing BFL will deliver within the next two months. but on the other hand Avalon won't either, probably (for new customers). so it doesn't look too good.
ThickAssLaptop: and run a litecoin mining calc befre you judge
mod6: that was an awesome hockey game
mod6: was i on tv?
mod6: musta been
mod6: missed the s.dice sale 'eh
ThickAssLaptop: any word from evoorhees lately?
swhitt: when is the march dividend out?
swhitt: i thought it was supposed to be today.
pigeons: complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.64 = 5.12 BTC [-]
Bowjob: hey guys
Bowjob: i cant seem to access my coins
Bowjob: via electrum
mircea_popescu: Bowjob why not ?
Bowjob: When I double click on the .exe, it doesn't start
Bowjob: I'm redownloading electrum to see whats up
mod6: did you try rebooting
Bowjob: yeah
mod6: <.<
Bowjob: I have the seed so I'm good
mircea_popescu: "Electrum is an easy to use Bitcoin client. It protects you from losing coins"
mircea_popescu: i find this funny in the circumstances.
mod6: does the process show up in the running executables list?
Bowjob: No
Bowjob: funny, I re downloaded it, doesnt open up
Bowjob: mhm
mod6: what if you try to execute it from the command line, what happens?
Bowjob: reboot once again
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3713 @ 0.00076397 = 2.8366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 787 @ 0.00076396 = 0.6012 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i hear beer
Chaang-Noi: heart
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/orice-cuplu-functional/
mircea_popescu: the text reads
mircea_popescu: "any functional couple...
mircea_popescu: ... includes a little secret"
mircea_popescu: “I really have no idea how money works or budgets work.”
mircea_popescu: that seriously explains everything
mircea_popescu: at least the man's occasionally honest.
Zedster: do you always pat yourself on the back?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.349 = 1.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.0919 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.00999 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you have a minute?
mircea_popescu: last saturday john wells had no idea bitcoin even exists. this saturday he's asking his guests cogent questions about it.
mjr_: lol what up everyone
mjr_: this is too funny, every month you have people running away from s.dice's money
mjr_: quick guys they are about to pay us, sell sell sell
mircea_popescu: lol
Bugpwoder: In a mature, efficient market, the stock price generally drops by the amount of the dividend upon dividend payout. Last two months, this anticipated drop did not occur with S.DICE.
lottoBTC: TO PLAY LOTTO BTC: http://www.lottobtc.com/
thestringpuller: Bugpwoder: in fact it went up no?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
mjr_: yep
mjr_: in fact it drops right BEFORE dividends
mjr_: then rises after
thestringpuller: it's because people are trying to short
thestringpuller: not really
Bugpwoder: thestringpuller: yes
Zedster: anyone aware of BTC-e having problems taking deposits?
lottoBTC: TO PLAY LOTTO BTC: http://www.lottobtc.com/
Bugpwoder: ^ spam detected....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 17 @ 1.56 = 26.52 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: spam detected
kakobrekla: mornin
Bugpwoder: lottoBTC needs to be banned
kakobrekla: lottoBTC read chan rules and obey them, if you wish to stay.
kakobrekla: you can also pay me 1337 btc and ill leave you alone
Zedster: go with option B
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.0059 = 0.5015 BTC [-]
mjr_: good morning
topace_: anyone know when the sdice dividend is going ot be paid?
kakobrekla: any day now
Eduard_Munteanu: Weird, I remember there was a list of exchanges in the topic, where is it?
mjr_: should be by tuesday the 5th i think
Eduard_Munteanu: kakobrekla: does bit4x provide a web interface for trading? I'm on Linux.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.29 = 1.45 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Eduard_Munteanu, no, you need to use MT4, you can use it in virtual machine
Eduard_Munteanu: I see.
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess Wine might do too.
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: google says its possible but i havent tested how well it works under wine
mjr_: does MT4 have an API?
kakobrekla: well yea, it has an internal api
kakobrekla: you can code your stuff there with MQL
mjr_: ok cool
mjr_: i'm working on plugging different exchanges into a smart order router/virtual crossing engine
mjr_: i'm installing it now, to play around with it, looks like a cool piece of software
mjr_: looks like a really cool app, who do you set up an account with exactly?
kakobrekla: what do you mean?
kakobrekla: i open live accounts in btc denomination
jurov: hi kakobrekla: http://live.coinbr.com/images/logofinal.png
jurov: aka siren-maintained corporate identity xD
kakobrekla: its up http://bitcoin-assets.com/
jurov: lol, looks even better with these rounded corners
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: shhhhs mp will hear you.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, what other broker is there for MPEx, other than nam's?
kakobrekla: hit f5 on bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: .com
kakobrekla: lol
dub: Eduard_Munteanu: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16
jurov: yup
Eduard_Munteanu: dub: thanks, I'll add you as a referral if I register
dub: gah what happened to rule 1 of -assets
kakobrekla: eggs bacon and spam.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, only 3 assets listed on coinbr?
Bugpowder: only 3 assets listed on mpex
Bugpowder: dude
Eduard_Munteanu: I see, I recall a few more on nam's.
jurov: there are also options and futures
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, nice.
jurov: but were not so often trade to make this type of graph usable
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, I suppose I can't see a list of assets until I deposit some BTCs?
jurov: yes, new order screen is accessible only after initial deposit
jurov: but it's the same list as mpex.co
error4733: F*** the bast*** playing less than 2000 on SDICE... 2x 15 BTC to 955 BTC
Zedster: mirc won't let me list my touring polka band
Eduard_Munteanu: Why are those options so cheap? E.g. strike price 19USD/BTC, valued at 0.566 BTC.
Eduard_Munteanu: Err...
Eduard_Munteanu: Nevermind, I read USD instead of BTC.
lottoBTC: TO PLAY LOTTO BTC: http://www.lottobtc.com/
Bugpowder: SPAM DETECTED
kakobrekla: yeah yeah
Zedster: got him!
Zedster: wtg bug
Lyspooner: what if i said the same thing
Lyspooner: TO PLAY LOTTO BTC: http://www.lottobtc.com/
Zedster: every 5 mins and nothing else?
Lyspooner: oh that was the first one i saw
Zedster: it's a bot
Bugpowder: never try to reason with a robot
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.24860 U.S. dollars = 26.3086496 Euros
dub: Is it racist of me to ignore SebastianJu purely because I can't parse his linglinglish
kakobrekla: well not if you ignore his rase too
chmod755: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.006 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [-]
jurov: Zedster, try btct for the polka band
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00077843 = 5.449 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00076 = 0.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00077 = 0.0154 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00078 = 0.0156 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 40 @ 0.00079 = 0.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 278 @ 0.00079 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
dub: heh just got expense report for a week long road trip with 5 friends last month
dub: more of a historic pub crawl, wine tour and whiskey binge
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 70 @ 0.00504 = 0.3528 BTC [-]
dub: we spent $10003
kakobrekla: not bad
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0059 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: finally about to break out of this channel
kakobrekla: the what?
kakobrekla: you cant do that.
Zedster: bugs gotta do whats bugs gotta do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6745 = 2.698 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: taser sword https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0F-VVjqarZE#!
dub: amurica fuck yeah
dub: comment win: Occams Taser 3 minutes ago Now try building yourself a girlfriend...
Diablo-D3: I still want taser brass knuckles
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.34800 U.S. dollars = 26.3850054 Euros
dub: Diablo-D3: beserker punch doom style
dub: berserker*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550004 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00550003 = 3.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0055 = 3.85 BTC [-]
jurov: pre-divs sale goes on
Diablo-D3: dub: the only thing I remember from doom is the fucking lobster claw
thestringpuller: I wish I could short.
thestringpuller: The market is so reactive
thestringpuller: rather than proactive
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00999 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
dub: I wish I was a little bit shorter, wish I wasnt a baller, wish I had a girl who looked bad, I wouldnt call her?
dub: wish I had usagi in a hat with a bat and a '84 skoda
dub: mtgox x85 0.0675
dub: wat
dub: mtgox x110 0.0338
dub: the fuck is going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00076889 = 0.8842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.00077069 = 16.566 BTC [+]
dub: we gettin goxxed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4663223.55823 based on data since last change | 4470188.64953 based on data for last three days
jurov: iDiff-E selling for 6.1 now for beliebers ;)
jurov: *no, it's iDiff-O March
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.36999 U.S. dollars = 26.4018974 Euros
Ukto: First backed asicminer shares trading live
Ukto: https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.ASICMINER-PT
dub: backed
Ukto: backed
dub: strangely that word (as much as it is worth) doesn't appear in the profile
dub: Shares total: 1 bajillion/Shares Issued: tiny fraction/Issuer may arbitrarily manipulte share value: yes
Ukto: it states that all shares are verified with friedcat
Ukto: but your right
Ukto: I will get that changed
Ukto: terra went to be already tho -_-
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.002 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 84 @ 0.0019 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]
jurov: Any public votes presented by ASICMINER to all shareholders of ASICMINER may be voted on BitFunder towards a single decision by the G.ASICMINGER-PT shareholder account.
jurov: Ukto either there will be voting support or someone is due for a headache?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00581 = 2.905 BTC [-]
Ukto: well
Ukto: supposedly there will be no public votes
Ukto: but just in case
Ukto: that was put in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00599998 = 18.8819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1853 @ 0.00599999 = 11.118 BTC [+]
jurov: better to just say shares have no voting rights
jurov: cuz trolls will be trolling inevitably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.624 = 6.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.6235 = 14.964 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6221 = 6.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
jurov: OT: if anyone uses postgres, i recommend: http://postgres-bits.herokuapp.com . several things blew me away, like, it can store dictionaries
jurov: natively
jurov: and query them
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0059 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000789 = 0.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.0058 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00572 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 31 @ 0.00571 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.00799 = 0.799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.002129 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
topace_: anyone want to test pushing units from mpex to havelock?
kakobrekla: is it free?
kakobrekla: i dont even have havelock acc thb
kakobrekla: tbh
topace_: yup its free
kakobrekla: this is for arb or what?
topace_: yea, to allow others to get in on the mpex->havelock arbitrage
kakobrekla: cute
topace_: 1) push shares to my fingerprint
Eduard_Munteanu: Cool.
topace_: 2) paste receipt into havelock website
topace_: 3) i manually approve transfer (for now)
topace_: once im sure its working well, ill remove the manual transfer
topace_: or, only require it on very large transfers
kakobrekla: hmmm
kakobrekla: i mean the question here is y u open this at all
kakobrekla: you could just automate it
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: the arb
kakobrekla: no?
topace_: yea, i could
kakobrekla: well there some money on the table
kakobrekla: theres*
topace_: i think there needs to be a way for people to freely move shares between mpex and the passthru's and maybe even between the passthrus themselves
kakobrekla: ok imma gonna try this
kakobrekla: lets register
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 455 @ 0.00072 = 0.3276 BTC [-]
topace_: cool thanks
kakobrekla: Receipt is valid
kakobrekla: Your request to push 1000 unit(s) of S.DICE to Havelock Investments has been received. Push requests are currently processed manually (so expect 1-48 hours processign time), but will be automated in the future.
thestringpuller: passthru
mircea_popescu: hai.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 500 @ 0.00213 = 1.065 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: topace_ where are ze shares? :p
topace_: kakobrekla: approved. should show in your account now
topace_: refresh portfolio page
kakobrekla: aha ok i see something
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 935 @ 0.0022 = 2.057 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hi kakobrekla: http://live.coinbr.com/images/logofinal.png ?<< haha cool
topace_: hmm wonder what its showing for your book value? obviously it wont be able to calculate that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00249 = 0.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00249 = 0.0249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 497 @ 0.0025 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems i didn't miss much huh
topace_: kakobrekla: umm somethings wrong tho.
topace_: my multiple is off
topace_: lol
kakobrekla: hey yeah
topace_: it should have given you 10 shares, not 100
kakobrekla: i was just wondering
topace_: haha
kakobrekla: says 100 on the contract
kakobrekla: still no bbet tho ? :p
topace_: think i might add bbet this week
topace_: and mpoe as well
kakobrekla: the recent tx still shows 100
topace_: just fixed that too
kakobrekla: kk
topace_: well at least there was nothing wrong with the code, i just had the multiple set wrong.
kakobrekla: no way to push back now?
kakobrekla: i mean automagic or smth
topace_: not yet... but thats the easier of the two to code
topace_: give me your fingerprint and ill push em back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00077069 = 7.2445 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: push it push it
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU
kakobrekla: its ok, ima gonna leave em there
topace_: oh okay :)
topace_: ill add the push back form probably tomrrow or tuesday
topace_: it'll be a push request, and manually approved on my side, same as the push in request.. at least until im sure its working 100%
kakobrekla: cool
topace_: gotta go vacuum now, or gf will kill me when she gets home
topace_: ttyl
kakobrekla: enjoy
mircea_popescu: that;s so backwards...
kakobrekla: first pusing off mpex now cleaning before the lady gets home
kakobrekla: endoftheworld.swf
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.40001, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 34.40001, 24 hour volume: 12439.22704040, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.50000, 24 hour vwap: 34.12774
jurov: next door at -otc, litecoin fpga firmware is cooking
jurov: "dont fpgas go out of style as fast as CPUs do?"
mircea_popescu: i thought litecoin was like all cpu
mircea_popescu: </facetious>
jurov: just because it needs much memory. if someone figures out how to hook memory to fpga and make it fast...sky is the limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6216 = 3.108 BTC [+]
jurov: and on -dev they took on to optimize satoshidice, again :)
mircea_popescu: heh.
jurov: i wonder why i haven't seen the idea of applying hashcash to *every* transaction
jurov: like, tx won't be accepted if you didn't some little hashing yourself
mircea_popescu: jurov ask them when are they gonna actually get crackin on the actual problems http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/
mircea_popescu: buncha fuckwits
jurov: asked about that yest
mircea_popescu: aha ? and ?
jurov: can't remember any concrete outcome
jurov: some discussion about optimized choosing of unspent outputs at most
jurov: i guess you'll end up having to defragment the bitbet wallet occassionally
jurov: to prevent situations
mircea_popescu: so why the fuck are they fixing other people's problems
mircea_popescu: jesus christ these dudes.
mircea_popescu: "o, what needs to be done is too hard, o, we're too stupid, let's do something else instead"
mircea_popescu: psccccchhhh
jurov: lol, i have to make closed source wallet defrag tool.. and sell it for 1BTC. or at least accept donations
mircea_popescu: and have the same dorks whine about how you're ruining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which they broke
mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect the reason satoshi made himself scarce was that he was getting sick of dealing with the current team of devs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.6216 = 4.3512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131012.0
mircea_popescu: aww they got chunge guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6197 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: LTC went up to 10 cents
mircea_popescu: lmao wait. waitwait.
mircea_popescu: Cloudflare was down ?!
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
Eduard_Munteanu: BTW, how do you manage shares traded on your exchange? I hear asicminer people had to do some manual bookkeeping. Do you keep an exchange-local tab?
Eduard_Munteanu: But then I suppose you can't trade shares outside the exchange.
jurov: Eduard_Munteanu, you asking mircea?
Eduard_Munteanu: Anyone. :)
jurov: he already admitted he has girls for that
Eduard_Munteanu: Heh.
jurov: and yes, the shares don't go outside exchange. this is why we have all these passthroughs
mircea_popescu: an exchange is an exchange, it has a trade engine
Eduard_Munteanu: Ideally shares could work like BTC, I wonder if that's possible.
mircea_popescu: what friedcat is doing is inhuman
mircea_popescu: but i guess people gotta try it out.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu that's not ideal. it's actually a bad idea. the horse has been discussed to death
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.61 = 3.05 BTC [-]
Eduard_Munteanu: But isn't there a crypto way to accomplish the same thing, perhaps different than BTC? You still need exchanges.
Eduard_Munteanu: If this has been discussed on the forums, I'd be glad to read those threads.
Eduard_Munteanu: Unlike BTCs, shares are by definition centralized I suppose.
Eduard_Munteanu: At least wrt how they're issued.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135778037437.png lmao deliciouscake
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, makes sense, reading... thanks.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Pride Stats
mircea_popescu: Feb 2013: Income: $2,200 USD Profit: $1,186.00 USD
mircea_popescu: (Selling was halted during the month of Feb. to change payment methods.)
mircea_popescu: Jan 2013: Income: $3,270 USD Profit: $2,218.35 USD
mircea_popescu: Dec 2012: Income: $4,521.75 USD Profit: $3,784.00 USD
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin pride averages a 70% profit. Don't you want a piece of the pie too?
mircea_popescu: wait, their income went from 4.5 to 3.2 then 2.2 ?!
mircea_popescu: who was saying they've eaten up their market earlier ? they had a point it seems
BitHub: so they're losing money each month?
mircea_popescu: well, losing incom
mircea_popescu: still showing a (growing) profit
mircea_popescu: i've never seen that sort of dynamic before.
kakobrekla: hm
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: I see the problem. Still, wouldn't an exchange / market-maker be able to eliminate all those delays for things traded within the exchange? Not sure how one'd deal with double spending if you don't wait for confirmations.
kakobrekla: the formula it seems is Income( rand() ) - 1 grand = profit
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu by keeping a central book, obviously.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unless the sqrt log guy has a better solution, i think you're spot on.
kakobrekla: ;))
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: yes. And committing changes to the blockchain periodically. The exchange is still pretty important, but at least you can move stuff between exchanges in a standard way.
mircea_popescu: you ALREADY can do that.
mircea_popescu: mpex issues push receipts.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm.
Eduard_Munteanu: Actually yeah, that kinda solves the entire issue.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not sure about OTC trading, but presumably you could do it manually somehow.
Eduard_Munteanu: Using your receipts.
mircea_popescu: if you can do it automatically like topace is trying you necessarily can do it manually too
Eduard_Munteanu: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: the way asicminer is playing this game makes me scratch my head.
mircea_popescu: so they're pointedly not coming to be listed on mpex, jump through the hoops and get my ok.
mircea_popescu: instead they're waiting for btct/bf/others run passthroughs
mircea_popescu: obviously there's no contract involved there.
mircea_popescu: now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ?
mircea_popescu: Ukto, burnside and whoever else involved gets scammer tags ? or what ?
Eduard_Munteanu: You're saying they're intentionally delaying listing on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they're either through sheer incompetence, sheer lack of resources or by actually being frauds behave just like a fraud would.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not understanding something.
Eduard_Munteanu: IDK, getting listed should've been negotiated even before the IPO, in my opinion. People have to have some way to buy / sell those stocks easily.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they've liquidity-trapped their "investors"
Eduard_Munteanu: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: which is something you really don't want to do
dub: whats liquidity?
dub: sound slike something to do with selling shares
dub: which is, as we know, not how you invest!
mircea_popescu: o ok
mircea_popescu: welcome back among the living
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1576297#msg1576297
mircea_popescu: wow, eskimobob actually published a readable balance.
dub: wat
dub: oh right, where he lists bitcoins: he is counting litecoins
mircea_popescu: converted at an unspecified rate etc.\
mircea_popescu: still, i had no idea ltc tanked that bad in btc
pigeons: yeah as btc was going up, ltc was going down to track the dollar and stay at .07 usd rather than stay at a ratio to btc
mircea_popescu: otoh lct seems all set for bubble territory.
dub: bfl realy do deserve some kind of award
mircea_popescu: since btc folks love a good bubble...
dub: they should be held up as a shining example of how to fail at pr
mircea_popescu: nah, coinlab is the shining example of how to fail at pr.
pigeons: we brought bitcoin to wall street in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: "drunk whore stumbles into wallstreet bar, announces she's brining the clap to wall street"
dub: im not sure if hiring inaba or letting your userbase add content at a yourdomain.com/blog/ url IS DUMBER
dub: it took quite a few moments to decipher that I was not actually reading an official bfl blog
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: truth be told those are pretty good too
mircea_popescu: ah, so much fail, so hard to pick a winner
mircea_popescu: sooo, three chicks drank four liters of vodka in two days.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this, dnipopetrovsk ?!
dub: I should delve into this road trip expenses sheet
mircea_popescu: hey, was it like 10k ?
dub: yes, 6 people, 6 days, 10k
mircea_popescu: list it
mircea_popescu: LTC-BARF
Bowjob: apparently we have a new ASIC company that is ready to ship
mircea_popescu: about the same size as eskimo's thing
Bowjob: this one's from hungary
mircea_popescu: Bowjob which one is that ?
BitHub: where can i place a bet that coinlab will be out of business by end of year?
Bowjob: PrimeAsic
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.0
mircea_popescu: BitHub on bitbet, if you can well define out of business
mircea_popescu: iirc jurov tried
BitHub: well maybe not out of business
BitHub: what i want to bet on this being a huge fail
dub: theres only $633 worth of whiskey listed here, I don't think thats accurate
mircea_popescu: hm, actually hungary, might be worth a visit.
dub: I recall at least 4 bottles that where brought from home
BitHub: oh that's cool
BitHub: wish i live near hungary
Bowjob: if its legit, I'll fly over there to pick a couple of them
BitHub: i would sell my car today and go get one tomorrow
Bowjob: I don't know the price yet
mircea_popescu: i could be in budapest literally by sunup
mircea_popescu: but meh... worth it ?
mircea_popescu: ~300 km awai
BitHub: really?
mircea_popescu: yes really.
mircea_popescu: that's why i live here, it's close to shit.
BitHub: i live in a fuck hole
BitHub: where everything is expensive
mircea_popescu: sucks. move to yurp
BitHub: i'm trying
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought it was teh lion/bear licesning regime
mircea_popescu: dub huh ?!
BitHub: :D
dub: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/27/lions-bears-removed-from-romanian-gangsters-property/
BitHub: couch
mircea_popescu: lmao
dub: I heard that on the radio a few days ago, first thought 'wonder if mp shows up on irc today'
BitHub: better not touch my pet tiger
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the idea that you need a permit for stuff is certainly new here
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, permits.
BitHub: bit of a long shot but would anyone be able to help me out and send one of those to Australia?
mircea_popescu: this stuff is a mess to export
BitHub: yeah thats true
BitHub: customs will probably take it and start mining themselves
BitHub: pricks
mircea_popescu: yeah
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You are beginning to see some of the strange contradictory nature of the asicminer people, I think, that I've been complaining about for months.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic perhaps. what specifically ?
mircea_popescu: o, asicminer not asic miners. yeah.
dub: why is it a mess to export?
dub: its a computer, we have been shipping these around the place for a wee while now
mircea_popescu: dub ya well, maybe it's a bomb
dub: customs can test for bombliness
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a nuclear bomb producing item
mircea_popescu: maybe it'll fuck their mothers.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You mentioned earlier that they are behaving fraudulently-like.. This is permeating more than just the way they are handling their stocks, but elsewhere as well, and it's troubling because unethical people in their position, could conceivably have done a much larger order to start with than what they are reporting, and the attraction of doing double-spends is quite large if, indeed, the evidence is correct when
midnightmagic: it points to short-term thinking.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic well, i don't know the whole thing, but from this angle it looks more like they're clueless/haven't been thinking things through/haven't slept in weeks
mircea_popescu: tho its quite possible they're ill intended too, sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would be very interested to hear from you if you discover that they aren't just clueless, but seemingly deliberately clueless.
dub: they are chinese
midnightmagic: Or if you begin to make observations that suggest it is not pure ignorance.
mircea_popescu: i'll certinly say something
mircea_popescu: but so far my belief is they just don't understand finance
mircea_popescu: which is in fact common so.
midnightmagic: dub: And yet ngzhang is one of the most ethical businesspeople I've seen in a long time.
mircea_popescu: i dun think chineseness has much to do with anything
dub: midnightmagic: I'll assume you're being facetious?
midnightmagic: dub: Being Chinese doesn't really mean much.
midnightmagic: dub: I am not. ngzhang is extremely ethical, or else Icarus wouldn't exist.
dub: lets deal with teh first question, my mind is somewhat boggling
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of scummy americans, iranians, turks and eskimos in this world
mircea_popescu: and plenty of trustworthy same etc.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Eskimos don't like being called Eskimos. :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: well whatever, inuits. northern russian people.
dub: midnightmagic: this is the the same dude involved in avalon right? the 'we shipped' guy
midnightmagic: dub: The "we shipped and they're sitting in customs at the beginning of CNY." and also , "Geez, with all this negativity, maybe we'll just be quiet until there's actually something to talk about." guys..
midnightmagic: dub: Also the latest update, "Rest of the units will have been shipped by around Mar 10, everyone should have batch #1 in hand by about mid-March" people.
dub: pitty they're not 'here are the tracking numbers' people though really
dub: anyway, being chinese decreases ones ability to think strategically and reason counterfactually
dub: this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death
midnightmagic: ... I can't actually tell if you're serious.
midnightmagic: If you're jerking my chain, your delivery is too dry.
dub: im not, try meeting some chinese people
dub: I hear there are a couple up your way
midnightmagic: And how do you know I'm not Chinese origin?
dub: we'll I don't but based on past discussions I think its rather unlikely
dub: you are far too empathetic for one
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BitBets
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BitBetsBets
midnightmagic: dub: I'm at a loss here to meaningfully discuss this with you. I don't know where to start. If you're serious, I'm fairly sure we are so alien that there is basically no common ground on which to meaningfully converse for this topic.
kakobrekla: fyi
dub: anyway, if you remove any racist overtones you have automatically inferred, it explains a lot about the comms we've seen from avalon and asicminer
kakobrekla: no spam.
midnightmagic: dub: I haven't called you a racist yet.
dub: midnightmagic: you're gettign there, its par for the course with you (you'd make a terrible anthropologist)
midnightmagic: dub: Is it now. I'm.. glad you're paying such close attention to my activity that you think you have me pegged.
kakobrekla: ZOMG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1580072#msg1580072
dub: midnightmagic: I don't really have time to go through this, there is quite a bit of literature out there
kakobrekla: During the BDT experience, because i was very concerned about the high interest bond and the lack of supporting high revenues i've made the decision (unethical, possibly illegal) to repurpose some of the funds raised with the IPO.
kakobrekla: Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0059 = 0.0295 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: dub: Much of the literature usually cited to conclude such things has been thoroughly debunked, so perhaps someday when you're willing to cite, after making such assertions, I'd be glad to read and evaluate such studies.
dub: midnightmagic: regarding the chinese, not your culteral naivety
dub: yes, well I'm more of an experience guy than a take debunkment at face value guy. Dorkins calls it the belief gene, though I don't really believe it exists.
midnightmagic: dub: Making negative assertions about the person you are having a discussion with is not usually productive. I'm readjusting my evaluation of your random, seemingly-connected comments post-statement.
dub: midnightmagic: its an observation grounded in experience, not a negative assertion
midnightmagic: dub: I'm fairly sure your evaluation of my cultural "naivete" is based on incomplete data.
midnightmagic: dub: Also, if you are an experience guy, then why are you pointing to external data as the foundation of your assertions rather than just your experience?
dub: midnightmagic: thats easy, it closely mirrors what I have observed
mircea_popescu: <dub> this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death << it's not genetic, it's cultural.
midnightmagic: dub: I'll presume you are aware of the notion of confirmation bias.
mircea_popescu: whoop, you just did it :D
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment. <<< ahaha epic
dub: midnightmagic: and I'f I were a victim of that would I need to have read about this before or after observing it?
midnightmagic: dub: ALl that's required is that you reject well-grounded studies that disagree with your opinion, while selecting out those studies which agree with it or reinforce it in some fashion.
dub: I guess at some point, some people like to actually form an opinion
midnightmagic: dub: Sure, course. Nothing wrong with an opinion so long as data can update it.
dub: the problem is you can likely produce data to refute any opinion as can I
midnightmagic: dub: Lots of people think that, but it is also possible to assess the quality of the data. So, IMO, no, it's not possible to find quality data which refutes any opinion.
midnightmagic: dub: Or rather, it's not possible for me..
dub: i'd like to continue this and know it looks like weasling out
dub: but im not in a meeting, on teh phone, and working to a thight deadline
dub: /snot/now
midnightmagic: I'm sorry you think that. You should realise that the implication is that I am aserting my mind can be changed.
dub: and typing without looking at my screen
midnightmagic: Unlike most people, I am not interested (this time) in simply honing my ability to refute. If and when you come up with actual cites, I'd be happy to look them up. I still have fulltext research credentials at the local university.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: now how'dja get that eh ? by exploiting the masses
mircea_popescu: by 'olding on to outdated imperialist dogma
mircea_popescu: which perpetuates the social and economic differences
mircea_popescu: within our society.
mircea_popescu: If there's ever going to be any progress...
midnightmagic: dub: Also, stop asserting stupid things about me.
BitHub: so what happened with sdice divs?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <evoorhees> perfect
mircea_popescu: well, contract says they got till the 5th
BitHub: hmm
dub: midnightmagic: a little while ago there was a conversation where you appeared to be floored by the notion that in some locations/cultures the base assumption of a strangers actions being altruistic was false
Eduard_Munteanu: I wonder if bitcoiners are going to experiment with different governance rules / contracts than you usually see in the real world. Which is usually majority of shares.
midnightmagic: dub: I was floored by the fact that it was so *in that specific locale*.
dub: midnightmagic: its not the only time you have appeared to me to base your arguments around a world view couched in priviledged western culture
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mircea_popescu pledges to be the benevolent dictator of MPEx forever, after reading a bit through the contract.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu let me dig that out for you
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/
error4733: haha mp you made my day ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1517002#msg1517002
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu also, re the rules etc, http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/
mircea_popescu: error4733 lol
mircea_popescu: if at least he had the guts to post something like "Same"
mircea_popescu: that'd have earned him some respect
mircea_popescu: but... weasels everywhere.
dub: midnightmagic: my memory of it is different, I don't think we were discussing a specific place, only the existence of such places
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect there's like five balls in three ballsacks available in the entire continental us.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, did Silk Road ever approach you? To get listed, raise money and so forth.
mircea_popescu: i've not made a comment on the topic so far.
Eduard_Munteanu: I see.
dub: anyway, if I don't want this PM to actually climb up my ass I need to deliver some shit so I'm closing this term
mircea_popescu: aha
midnightmagic: dub: It is a cultural perversion of what appears to be the most successful strategy for human progress.
BitHub: good read mircea
mircea_popescu: ;)
BitHub: take the girls up and down the river? wtf
BitHub: i thought you were talkig about your daughters or something, till i click on the pics lul wtf
mircea_popescu: im not married / don't have kids.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hmm, you know... they also said underground resources belong to the state... wouldn't surprise me if they deem Bitcoin mining a national resource as well. :)
mircea_popescu: that'll be very much their problem entirely.
BitHub: lul and these girls are your friends and you just hang out wtih them?
mircea_popescu: BitHub im hung so i hang.
BitHub: making a porno or something?
mircea_popescu: to quote, http://trilema.com/2009/eu-am-un-succes-nebun-la-femei/
mircea_popescu: (nu means no)
BitHub: i hope that's me in 5 years haha
Eduard_Munteanu: Heh.
mircea_popescu: why wait five years, i always say.
BitHub: trying to be realistic
BitHub: it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho
mircea_popescu: srsly, girls are easy. you just have to make them feel safe they'll do anything.
Eduard_Munteanu: Like investors. :P
mircea_popescu: indeed.
BitHub: money first, then girls
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1134 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.29248665 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22360455 = 223.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19808896 = 198.089 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: BitHub> money first, then girls (this does work well)
Chaang-Noi: anyone happen to know off the top of their head how many avolons were made in batch one? or the total hashing power?
thestringpuller: approx 200
thestringpuller: based on a 500,000 NRE cost on the chips I assume there will be at least 600 total on the first "batch" of chips
thestringpuller: why do you want to know?
Chaang-Noi: i want to know how much asic miner shares are worth
Chaang-Noi: 600 times 60 ghs....
Chaang-Noi: that is a lot, hmm
Chaang-Noi: just wonder if bfl will fail hard, are they still bumping or whatever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550011 = 5.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [-]
dub: midnightmagic: indeed, saw an interesting article about the very young having much greater altrustic tendancies which increases survival odds in an 'all the adults are dead' scenario
midnightmagic: dub: I'm trying to dig up the log because I'm curious what I was thinking at the time. I've actually grown up in a place (yes, they exist even in Canada) where one must assume the stranger is evil.
midnightmagic: dub: Do you have any more keywords for me to search on?
dub: midnightmagic: egrep -i '(dub.*eastern.*europe)' \#bitcoin-assets.log
midnightmagic: thanks
midnightmagic: stupid split logs anyway..
dub: amusing false positive: 29-11-12-13:45<mircea_popescu> kakobreklaaa it's sharpie in pooper you person of dubious eastern european origin you
dub: midnightmagic: 12-12-12-20:59
dub: thats US eastern
kakobrekla: lol
midnightmagic: dub: *AWESOME* you just found for me the reference to the mpoe-pr boob pic that I've been searching for forever.
mircea_popescu: lol ?!
dub: we aim to please
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man, in that log on that day you're talking about that boobpic I've been trying to grep for forever.
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: you've prolly given bithub even more determination charges.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Who me?
mircea_popescu: yes you.
midnightmagic: What are determination charges?
mircea_popescu: "<BitHub> it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho"
mircea_popescu: i guess i used the wrong word
midnightmagic: dub: All I see is "[18:01:08] <midnightmagic> dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear." I guess all I can say is that's not a statement born of ignorance.
midnightmagic: I may have been quoting blade runner.
midnightmagic: (alternatively)
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.42598, Best ask: 34.57010, Bid-ask spread: 0.14412, Last trade: 34.42349, 24 hour volume: 14866.21945414, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.21380
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 72000 @ 0.00175 = 126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00196988 = 0.9849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 555 @ 0.00196989 = 1.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1945 @ 0.00197 = 3.8317 BTC [+]
Bowjob: dice took a beating today
pigeons: up 10% from yesterday
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.00999 = 0.3497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175879 / 0.00197 (75000 shares, 131.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00175 / 0.00177002 / 0.00197 (79299 shares, 140.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165663 / 0.00197 (127408 shares, 211.07 BTC)
mircea_popescu: lol more than half the month;s volume
mircea_popescu: (28+74) * 1.1/1.5
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (28+74) * 1.1/1.5
gribble: 74.8
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 29 @ 0.0059 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I got out of dice just before it came tumbling
Bowjob: im pissed I have900 shares left..
Bowjob: >_>
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 70 @ 0.099 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Why's SD tanking..?
midnightmagic: .. er.. if it's tanking.
Bowjob: BTC is getting more and more valuable
Bowjob: and less and less people bet
maximian: less and less people bet? Doesn't look like it
maximian: head over to http:///blockchain.info
maximian: it's the SatoshiDice show
maximian: Bitcoin should be renamed "Satoshi Dice presents Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i think people are shifty yet.
mircea_popescu: after 2 years of pretty much nothing but scam after scam after scam many feel uneasy about keeping btc invested in same place
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the guy who cashed his bank account because he wanted to count his money ? something of the sort.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7 @ 0.00077068 = 0.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 493 @ 0.00077068 = 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: hrm. interesting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550001 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0059 = 4.13 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60667, Best ask: 34.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00333, Last trade: 34.61000, 24 hour volume: 14786.71661983, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22162
Bowjob: hm
Bowjob: low volume
Namworld: mircea_popescu &/or kakobrekla
Namworld: Any of you around?
mircea_popescu: yea ?
Namworld: BBET statement says 5.44167918 BTC to be distributed as dividends. On 10 million shares, that's like 54.4 satoshi per share, but MPEx shows 32 satoshi per share. What's with that?
iz: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.45894, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04106, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 15041.28017977, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22749
mircea_popescu: Namworld mpex got confused by the mistaken notion that 5mn shares are actually out
mircea_popescu: in reality only 3 are
Namworld: odd
Namworld: So long as the amount shown in my stats are good. But odd for the display.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "с умопомрачительным дизайном и таким же юзабилити :)"
mircea_popescu: ok, who dunnit!
swhitt: me
mircea_popescu: for shame
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [+]
molecular: anyone know what's the holdup with paying out the march 1st bfl bet http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ ?
Bowjob: http://www.unifycall.com/update/3avalon.jpg
Bugpowder: Molecular. That bet paid out already
Bugpowder: There was some issues with transaction size limits, info in a triilrma post
molecular: Bugpowder, oh
Bugpowder: I got my coins
Bugpowder: At least
molecular: Bugpowder, me too. lol
molecular: Bugpowder, I thought it'd state the payouts on the site... rechecking, maybe I just overlooked
midnightmagic: Bowjob: what the hell man where's that
Bugpowder: 1mb was too small for the total transaction! Had to be split
Bowjob: China
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Oh. I guess I knew that.
Bowjob: The dude now has 5 of those babies
midnightmagic: Bowjob: One of their Chinese customers stripped it apart I think and took a picture.
Bowjob: yeah
Bowjob: ballsy move
midnightmagic: very, imo
mircea_popescu: molecular ya was paid like 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: or 3
Bowjob: when i get mine, id be making $30 a day lol
Bowjob: I just hope BFL fucks up again, just pleaseee
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what's the april one at
mircea_popescu: 60ish not bad
Bowjob: looks like avalon will deliver their promise by april 1st
Bowjob: not sure on bfl
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Last update said something about all b#1 orders will have been shipped by mar 10, and everyone should have them by mid- to end of march..
mircea_popescu: so then bet is right on point
midnightmagic: I really never thought Avalon would beat them all to the punch like this.
midnightmagic: I threw some orders at them just for the appreciation of their work with Icarus.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's an avalon/asicminer tie so far, apparently.
Bowjob: so its avalon 1, then bfl 1.. then avalon 2?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: *technically* Avalon boxes started hashing first. :)
Bowjob: then theres this hungarian company that apparently made an asic as well
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And in the hands of actual customers..
mircea_popescu: okay, but you need eyeglasses to separate it
Bowjob: available for pick up
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Is that Reclaimer?
midnightmagic: I thought he was russian..
Bowjob: no
midnightmagic: Not Tycho then.
Bowjob: primeasic
Bowjob: hungary.. is it a safe place?
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's also a 22nm asic SOC vendor that's farming out chips to board designers.
Bowjob: yeah, yifu is interested in that as well
Bowjob: in sweden i think
Bowjob: mining competition is gonna be really tough this year
Bowjob: my electricity costs are 10 cents per kwh
Bowjob: well, its 6.8 cents for the first 1350 KW, then the rest is billed at 10.12 cents thereafter
Bowjob: mhm
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I'm currently at 0.0865 CAD/KwH
midnightmagic: or.. kWh or whatever.
Bowjob: where
Bowjob: electricity doesnt matter at this point.. not yet anyway
midnightmagic: Bowjob: consumer wins, we just have to time our buys right..
Bowjob: its the first who gets the asic
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I suspect if we care about power consumption now, we'll end up winning in the long run. They're all priced approximately the same.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's an *enormous* wave of mining customers coming soon-ish due to the sudden tidal wave price. Getting in line at this point for summertime asic is going to be a bad move..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17 @ 0.00560002 = 0.0952 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: getting in line is always a bad move.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this even, "getting in line"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00076564 = 4.6819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00077068 = 3.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1357 @ 0.00077069 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: who here holds ltc :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00983 = 0.0983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.009821 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 28 @ 0.0075 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00573 = 0.573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00561 = 0.561 BTC [-]
iz: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.20000, Best ask: 35.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 35.30000, 24 hour volume: 28845.84682379, 24 hour low: 33.98600, 24 hour high: 35.35000, 24 hour vwap: 34.73691
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 290 @ 0.00561 = 1.6269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 319 @ 0.00561 = 1.7896 BTC [-]
Namworld: Who wants some S.DICE before the dividend arrives?
Namworld: (PT)
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4859710.18648 based on data since last change | 4903754.75592 based on data for last three days
blu3gr1ffon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.00000, Best ask: 36.00714, Bid-ask spread: 0.00714, Last trade: 36.00000, 24 hour volume: 34856.36975002, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.15000, 24 hour vwap: 34.95547
ThickAsThieves: nice
blu3gr1ffon: ;;goxlag
gribble: 106.133771 seconds
kakobrekla: washappening
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.595 = 1.785 BTC [-]
Namworld: price going up again and again
Namworld: is what is happening
Namworld: No one wants S.DICE-PT?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.595 = 7.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 555 @ 0.00594999 = 3.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 445 @ 0.00595 = 2.6478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00076784 = 5.199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1779 @ 0.00077999 = 1.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.595 = 3.57 BTC [-]
maximian: Anyone know where Erik has been travelling?
Namworld: I think he went to the Earth's core or something. Unfortunately there's no vehicle capable of reaching there and he started his journey by jumping in a volcano.
mircea_popescu: lol what ?!
Namworld: Spouting random made up stuff.
TomServo: Isn't that the beginning of the Scientology story?
mircea_popescu: yeah lol
maximian: Maybe he's working on selling S.DICE to the crab people
Namworld: What? Is it?
Namworld: I thought spouting random stuff was Bitcoin's national sport.
Namworld: But apparently what I'm saying was not random at all.
mircea_popescu: :p
ZedsterX: depends on who ya ask
mircea_popescu: "everything new in this world is the history you didn't know"
maximian: So, someone moved 10,000 BTC back into MPEx:
maximian: http://blockchain.info/tx/34ee8eb5d04ec6a278223b0ea02a36c9104710e6cdd02a5d5ece9b03533d6b5e
ZedsterX: yeah that was me
maximian: Buy everything!
Bugpowder: too bad its erik
maximian: I'm thinking it's evoorhees
ZedsterX: be my guess
Namworld: I'm thinking S.DICE dividend
Namworld: Go S.DICE!
Bugpowder: its funny that he moved it all in instead of just 1750 though
maximian: But why 10k?
Namworld: hmm... nvm
Bugpowder: it is definitely him
Namworld: How do you know?
Namworld: Not sure why 10k
Bugpowder: because that address is from when he withdrew 10k last time
Bugpowder: and he said on the forum that he just deposited
Namworld: ah
Namworld: great
Bugpowder: Dunno why the whole 10k though
Bugpowder: prop up the S.DICE value post div ;-)
maximian: maybe he just didn't think about it, was in a hurry
topace: i dunno, if i was moving $350000 wort of coins, i think i'd stop to "think about it"
Bugpowder: on a mobile phone
Bugpowder: correction $363,800
midnightmagic: Namworld: scientoglogist prophet!
Bugpowder: correction 365,000
mircea_popescu: <maximian> But why 10k? he has to pay 50mn shares
Bugpowder: Only 13mn shares on the market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1868 @ 0.00077999 = 1.457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00078 = 7.786 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but maybe I don't understand the backend
mircea_popescu: 13mn in third party hands on the market + 37 mn in erik's hands on the market = 50mn
mircea_popescu: +50mn which make up the golden ticket = 100mn, whole float.
Namworld: price is going... up
Namworld: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31083, Best ask: 36.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12917, Last trade: 36.33499, 24 hour volume: 41528.95196789, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.50000, 24 hour vwap: 35.17091
maximian: So he still has to pay divs to the 37mn shares that aren't on the market?
mircea_popescu: how aren't they on the market ?
Bugpowder: I new I should have waited a few more hours before buying something on bitcoinstore.com
maximian: I should say, that he hasn't sold yet
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: maximian well yes, shares get dividends.
mircea_popescu: makes no diff who owns them
Bugpowder: the confusion may come in the Dividends box
Bugpowder: info
maximian: So shouldn't last month's divs have been 10,000 BTC instead of 2,000?
mircea_popescu: maximian but last month there literally were only 10mn on the market.
Bugpowder: Hashrate over 40TH/s
maximian: ah, ok
maximian: as per contract
mircea_popescu: maximian this is designed to reinforce proof.
mircea_popescu: mpex won't let someone pay fewer shares than actually are issued
mircea_popescu: so every time a dividend is pay you actually know the actual exact total, from the receipt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00078 = 4.68 BTC [+]
maximian: good to know. I had forgotten that the contracted allowed for evoorhees to put another 40mn shares on the market last month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00594999 = 5.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it also works to reinforce proof the other way
mircea_popescu: someone declares X dividends, he'd better be able to show the cash too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00595 = 2.1123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00597999 = 11.96 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4825329.9214 based on data since last change | 4946742.16185 based on data for last three days
Bugpowder: 36.53
Bugpowder: AAPL @ 2 year low
Bugpowder: GOOG at all time hi
mircea_popescu: ;;ident burnside
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder im curious how Ts will go.
jurov: ;bc,convert eur
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.70000 U.S. dollars = 28.2568525 Euros
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: me too
ZedsterX: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1573.500000000000 USD = 43.0861572542 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3333 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 30 @ 0.33317 = 9.9951 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Got a good one for bitbet
Bugpowder: The price of a 25BTC Casascius coin > 1 Kruggerand.
mircea_popescu: haha put it in
Bugpowder: I should take a side by side pic and post to reddit as well.
mircea_popescu: totally.
Bugpowder: ;;calc 36.70*25
gribble: 917.5
Bugpowder: Hmm
Bugpowder: Whats a good time frame
Bugpowder: April 1?
Bugpowder: nah
Bugpowder: April 15?
ZedsterX: need at least a month
Bugpowder: lets just extrapolate linearly
Bugpowder: and use that as the date
Bugpowder: ;;calc 43/25
gribble: 1.72
Bugpowder: 34% growth last month
Bugpowder: lets do 2 months
ZedsterX: hate when ppl use math :)
mircea_popescu: 1st of may, worker's day
Bugpowder: yah
Eduard_Munteanu: Don't tell me MPEx is closed for 1st of May. :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: mpex hasn't actually been closed yet
mircea_popescu: much unlike everyone else.
mircea_popescu: there was a ~hour ddos a while back, but that's all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [+]
blu3gr1ffon: who runs betsofbitco.in?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident FabianB
gribble: Nick 'FabianB', with hostmask 'FabianB!~ogg@unaffiliated/fabianb', is identified as user fabianb, with GPG key id 797C1106D52E79DF, key fingerprint 9B854E5F36B927C9C365F208797C1106D52E79DF, and bitcoin address 18Wnjc1fcWDboZDHNsn48URtwGaqRjPnAt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.655 = 3.275 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.65 = 10.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol @O.BTCUSD.C370T
mircea_popescu: bot's out of options so the people are fighting!
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
jurov: you're out of options? so early in month?
ZedsterX: there goes all my shares cuz getting BTC in DK over the weekend sucks
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34499 = 1.725 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao "Budapest is known for a hub of scamming activity"
jurov: that primeasic thread starts being juicy
ZedsterX: heheh i just read that too
jurov: well, if the hungarian govt is considered, that's fair assessment
ZedsterX: ouch
parseval: Nice, the asicminer pass-through went active
mircea_popescu: jurov a shitton sold on those lines
mircea_popescu: actually budapest is known as a hub for porn.
jurov: mircea, have you seen wikipedia's world penis length map?
jurov: hungary looks like a piece of africa there
dub: fuuu .65
dub: temptation to sell rising
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: i hope kim dotcom gets credit for inventing bitcoin
Lyspooner: he's a much more flamboyant leader than, say, gavin
ZedsterX: isn't budapest Rocco Siffredi's home?
mircea_popescu: how's he a leader ?
dub: he is the man
ZedsterX: amen
Lyspooner: he will portray himself that way and the media will follow along
mircea_popescu: so like obama.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm with you, i hope it happens
mircea_popescu: more drama -> more value for btc.
dub: kim is jesus
mircea_popescu: dub to quote some cartoon, he's jsut stupid and fat.
dub: idk about stupid, takes some ability to copy a business model and make buttloads off it
mircea_popescu: dub this crashes into your ideas about the chinese.
mircea_popescu: since they took ford's model and are currently raping the americans with it.
dub: I didn't say they were stupid
mircea_popescu: but you didn't say they're jesus either.
dub: that is true
Lyspooner: what is NAT.ROUTERS
mircea_popescu: kim's new project.
dub: I thought his new project was inventing crypto
mircea_popescu: broken js crypto, to be precise. he's done that.
mircea_popescu: now he invents ips
dub: Lyspooner: what does your question relate to?
Lyspooner: it's on the bottom of the mpex list of contracts
dub: right
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139337.0 deathbylolipop need to get in on this
burnside: ;;ident burnside
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is identified as user burnside, with GPG key id 990D4DB54ECDA3C6, key fingerprint 2EEB40C9DF5E25E6BD3A7BF8990D4DB54ECDA3C6, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: who pays 4 btc for that ?!
Lyspooner: caffeinewriter
burnside: <mircea_popescu> now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ? -- I think we would have to do the AML paperwork.
mircea_popescu: burnside i'm just saying, you are underwriting a lot of risk that you can't control.
burnside: definitely. thus the disclaimers in the contract.
mircea_popescu: thus also the liquidity disparity.
burnside: I'm more worried about their competition beating them out though than I am about friedcat running off.
mircea_popescu: it's not your fault, best i can see, just asicminer acting very weird.
burnside: Yeah, I can't figure out if it's the lack of sleep, or what.
dub: what is the weird acting?
mircea_popescu: dub baiscally they choked their investors by refusing to list to the point that people out of sheer desperations made private pts
mircea_popescu: now one of the most promising ipos of the year so far has been reduced to a 70 btc opening day.
dub: oh right
Namworld: god, why did I sold all these ASICMINER shares for 0.40 =/
dub: Namworld: want to buy some?
dub: 0.7 :)
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: no, not buying
mircea_popescu: Namworld the girl said .75 to 1.5
mircea_popescu: why don't you listen to the girl ? :D
Namworld: I sold some time ago? Before she even said anything I believe.
mircea_popescu: a well then there's your answer !
mircea_popescu: you sold earlier.
burnside: tbh tho, 0.4 is still 4x what you got 'em for, no?
mircea_popescu: i think he paid a little premium
burnside: not a bad return on ~6 months?
ZedsterX: i want to buy some but banks are too slow
Namworld: Also if Friedcat had shares trading again after GLBSE closed you would probably have been able to buy back my ASICMINER cheap to fill that short contract.
mircea_popescu: Namworld at any point between october and january they could have listed and been tip top shape
mircea_popescu: all through february and still acceptable
dub: mircea_popescu: so in reality your 'acting weird' could simply be explained by, inability to strategize
mircea_popescu: but march is already dropping the ball.
mircea_popescu: dub that is acting weird.
dub: to you maybe
dub: to me its just acting chinese
burnside: doh
mircea_popescu: i've not fucked enough chinese girls to have a clue so far.
Namworld: I should have bought these
Namworld: Instead of lending to Amazingrando.
dub: the failure here is your preconception of normal thiking
dub: thinking*
Anduck: Namworld: how much they're paying now?
mircea_popescu: Anduck they paid like 2% or something like that.
mircea_popescu: 2.5% mebbe
Namworld: ASICMINER already sent a first payment?
dub: yes
mircea_popescu: in other news, mpex db dump has been optimized to take up less space. nothing's broken, it's just naturally halfsized.
mircea_popescu: Namworld yes.
mod6: sweet!
Anduck: mircea_popescu: yeah they paid 0.025 btc/share
Anduck: or smth like that
Namworld: hmm... If you had bought back then 10k USD of bitcoins at 5 USD each for 2k BTC
Anduck: but i mean
Anduck: how much are they selling those shares for?
mircea_popescu: Anduck !ticker btct asicminer-pt
Anduck: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
Anduck: couldnt do it urself???
Namworld: and bought 20k ASICMINER (10k USD). You'd now have 20k x 0.65 BTC = 13 000 BTC worth
Anduck: yup
Anduck: =)
Namworld: or close to half a million dollar at today's prices
Anduck: i was lucky
mircea_popescu: Namworld no. things don't scale like that. you'd have ~70 btc's worth of shares and 12930 btc worth of paper & dreams.
Anduck: i bought asicminer with all my glbse stack xD
Namworld: mircea: I'm only evaluating current trading price.
Anduck: but -really- they buy asicminer for 0.65?? =D
Anduck: I LIKE THAT
mircea_popescu: ya but you'r extrapolating a little out of band
Namworld: As long as ASICMINER keeps up like that.
mircea_popescu: Anduck i think if you push burnside your stocks you get the pt and can trade
Namworld: Probably achievable.
Namworld: You could sell part for your initial 2k BTC no problem tho.
ThickAsThieves: you can push to Deadterra on BF too, he's free, and takes 0% of divs
Anduck: nah i dont wanna trade, mp
mircea_popescu: no Namworld. if asicminer keeps up like it's currently doing it'll go to shit.
mircea_popescu: they have to seriously adjust themselves.
ThickAsThieves: asicminer better get more hashing online soon
Namworld: eh
mircea_popescu: this is certainly an exciting spring
Namworld: on a sidenote
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.03 ** 30
gribble: 0
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.03 ** 30.0
gribble: 0
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.03 ** 30.0
gribble: 2.42726247119
dub: scale owned
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.0003 ** 30.0
gribble: 1.00903925984
Anduck: uhh
mircea_popescu: wait. what ? you're paying 1% a month ?~
Namworld: Yeah
Namworld: A bit less
mircea_popescu: and people are actually sending you btc ?!
Namworld: 10.95% per year
Namworld: Yeah...
mircea_popescu: lol ok
mircea_popescu: but this is a. less than dividends for most stocks b. much less than mpoe bonds etc.
dub: this is btc
mircea_popescu: i guess so lol
Namworld: But daily interest, callable at face value anytime.
Namworld: I guess the possibility to withdraw at face value anytime is interesting enough.
mircea_popescu: we totally have to shed these paycheck loan faces off btc already
dub: Namworld: you pay interest daily? as divs oslt
blu3gr1ffon: I used to work in title loans and payday lending.
blu3gr1ffon: got away with %300 on title loans.
blu3gr1ffon: customers loved us too.
Namworld: dub: yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1231 = 12.31 BTC [+]
Namworld: Comes to 300 satoshi per 0.01 BTC share daily.
B0g4r7_: Did you look at the cars?
B0g4r7_: I always wondered what would happen if I brought in the title to my wrecked car.
Namworld: It's not that bad actually.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 50-50 you'd get a loan
burnside: wow ltc is back on the rise. Network Hash Rate 1,018.123 GH/s
B0g4r7_: If I tried at a few different loan places the odds get pretty good.
blu3gr1ffon: B0g4r7_: we did, full checks. does it run, does it go into reverse, is anything spewing.
B0g4r7_: heh
blu3gr1ffon: then we'd give them 1/4 - 1/2 NADA value. they'd give us title
blu3gr1ffon: only way around lending laws.
mircea_popescu: did you have your lot and everything ?
blu3gr1ffon: we housed at our associates property. tow lot.
B0g4r7_: title loans and tows.
blu3gr1ffon: good times.
B0g4r7_: Throw in a bail bondsman, a PI, and a debt collection agency and you've got a full house.
blu3gr1ffon: WE got into it from check cashing, so we were half-way there.
blu3gr1ffon: in house collections. nice to know a skilled skip tracer
blu3gr1ffon: course, internets makes their job easier these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: in 2001 kim dotcom bought 375,000 EUR worth of shares in letsbuyit.com and subsequently announced is intention to invest 50 million euros in the company.
Lyspooner: the announcement caused the share value of letsbuyit.com to jump and dotcom cashed out, making a profit of 1.5 million eur
dub: an den?
Lyspooner: and then he was arrested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 661 @ 0.005501 = 3.6362 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: this time he won't be arrested
dub: pretty sure he's gettign extradited from nz
pgp: ::ticker
pgp: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27000, Best ask: 36.27099, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 36.27700, 24 hour volume: 44153.48588405, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.37953
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner he's in jail already neh ?
dub: no
mircea_popescu: orly ?
dub: he's on some form of bail iirc
dub: judge gave him bail after a bunch of illegal shit about his arrest surfaced
mircea_popescu: o o i recall
mircea_popescu: illegal surveillance, nz being a puppet state, yeah
dub: yeah
mircea_popescu: the usual "we confiscate all your money now you go ahead hire lawyers"
mircea_popescu: and all that jazz.
dub: and the lulzy.. spook dept. that isnt allowed to spy on nz citizens, didn't know he was a citizen
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02900, Last trade: 36.30000, 24 hour volume: 44219.25916777, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.38096
mircea_popescu: dude the oix is coming true omfg.
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.30000 U.S. dollars = 27.9488759 Euros
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you seeing this shit ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00525106 = 2.6255 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: fuck this
kakobrekla: avearage iq on the forum is -20
Bugpowder: seiing what?
dub: nowai?
Bugpowder: Kim?
dub: Kim is about to dump, suggset panic selling
Bugpowder: Lol
Bugpowder: nah he is gonna pump this shit up.
Bugpowder: Now my wife's girlfriends are asking me how to buy coins.
dub: FUCK
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: its a bubble when u get that.
kakobrekla: jk
Bugpowder: not yet
dub: yerp
Bugpowder: gotta be the shoeshiners
Bugpowder: when they tip you off. Time to sell.
error4733: it's a trap
pgp: hi
dub: sup, you Kim Dotcom?
Bugpowder: dude
Bugpowder: you gotta get MEGA to IPO on MPEX
dub: he invented pgp yo
pgp: lol initials
mjr___: jurov: you around?
mjr___: by the way, good job on the OIX mircea
jurov: mjr___ what's up?
mjr___: just referred my friend
mjr___: :)
mircea_popescu: cool
mjr___: he signed up for coinbr, did the referral code and all that work out right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077308 = 6.7258 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea tbh
jurov: nice.
jurov: but he has to fund to be able to do anything ofc.
mjr___: yeah he sent 30
jurov: ah, that was him. yes, it's well.
mjr___: waiting on it to verify now, i think
mjr___: haven't checked blockchain info in a few min
mjr___: ok, got two so far :)
jurov: oh someone sent 30 yest.. so this is other one
mjr___: buy buy buy
mjr___: yes, just sent it
mjr___: i'm actually on his comp right now, he prob goes by pgp
mjr___: but he hasn't talked much on this channel
mjr___: your the best jurov thanks a bunch
jurov: :) had to forward it, need to wait a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0056 = 16.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.596 = 12.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
dub: dice div come through?
Bugpowder: not yet
Bugpowder: deposit is in though
kakobrekla: assbot will tell you when that happens
mircea_popescu: where's that pic of the cats
mircea_popescu: and yes, assbot now says
kakobrekla: he will fart out the dividend.
kakobrekla: it
kakobrekla: she for jurov
jurov: mircea_popescu, will you delist s.dice if erik won't make it in 3 hours?
kakobrekla: DOO IT
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, the 5th is tomorrow
jurov: it says before 5th
Bowjob: OMG
Bowjob: Look at that bitbet
Bowjob: xD
Bowjob: 200 BTC on NO
Bowjob: Woww
Bowjob: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: (e)The representatives of SatoshiDice solemnly promise and warrant that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
mircea_popescu: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss SatoshiDice will pay to shareholders
mircea_popescu: well... e he did, f however no. let's see what he's up to
mircea_popescu: Bowjob which one ?
Bowjob: the BFL one
Bowjob: I was leaning on "yes" since apparently they are getting their shit together.. now im not sure again
Bowjob: Yifu apparently bet on the BFL march bet and won a fuckton
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: which was he, the 700 or the 600 ?
Bowjob: huh,.?
Bowjob: he's probably the one who put up 300++ BTC
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: le wow, 10:1 huh
Bowjob: mhm. I thought it was you
mircea_popescu: maybe it's josh
dub: haha wtf
dub: trendon shavers showing up in my linkedin cloud
kakobrekla: lol
iz: lol
iz: add him
dub: I have no bitcoiners on there so srsly wtfing
iz: and endorce him for pyramid marketing
dub: PH there too
kakobrekla: maybe its groping the scammurs
dub: I must have stalked them at some point
iz: dub: http://www.bash.org/?115
guruvan: what's up in here - been a minute since I've been in
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/284/primeasic-has-a-miner/
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: o hi guruvan
guruvan: ohai MP - how's things? good to see you
dub: iz: lol
B0g4r7_: Does bitbet work linke BoB where they close the statement to betting if it becomes moot?
guruvan: mircea_popescu: bitbet looks pretty good - was checking it out today some
mircea_popescu: i think it's getting some traction
B0g4r7_: Like, suppose BFL ships March 10, will the bet still be open?
mircea_popescu: at least by the cooked graphs i have here.
B0g4r7_: I know they won't but if they did...
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 nah, once it's clear a bet ended early they get closed
mircea_popescu: it's not INSTANTANEOUS mind you,
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless.
B0g4r7_: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=447
B0g4r7_: "If no product has shipped by February 28th/2013, the product shall be considered vapourware and the statement shall be ruled as draw."
B0g4r7_: I just got refunded for that one.
mircea_popescu: umm
mircea_popescu: wait,d raw ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf bullshit bfl sponsored meni rosenfeld crap is this
B0g4r7_: ya rly
mircea_popescu: "we're making a bet except if we lose it's really get our money back"
dub: why does only faggy shit get through bash.org mods
dub: http://www.bash.org/?952948
mircea_popescu: no wonder josh was spewing all that bs about bitbet.
mircea_popescu: kinda hurts to have people that won't push scams huh.
Bugpowder: yeah I was going to drop major coin on that bfl bet, then I read the fine print.... DRAW?
dub: none of the comedy gold I've submitted over the years has made it
B0g4r7_: "This is gold, Jerry! Pure gold!"
kakobrekla: bah bitbet is so red
kakobrekla: cmon guys be more positive
Bowjob: lol. Im confused now.. I want to be on blue.. but WTF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.005501 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/284/primeasic-has-a-miner/ somebody likes prime ?
Bugpowder: It's the 10% of advertised specs part that has me worried
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 12/0.07
gribble: 171.428571429
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4900626.90236 based on data since last change | 4958374.43923 based on data for last three days
B0g4r7_: Maybe primeasic pirated Avalon's chip design.
B0g4r7_: It'd be about right for the power numbers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5951 = 2.3804 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: chinese guy's hungarian girlfriend ?
jurov: if avalon is really a fpga's hardcopy, baybe they just used same blob
kakobrekla: lol
B0g4r7_: hardcopy doesn't come in QFN.
mircea_popescu: it'd be really retarded to make asics as fpga hardcopy wtf.
mircea_popescu: nobody can be that dumb
Bowjob: who knows about blockhain.info here
Bowjob: they are posting the wrong totals on my account
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/address/152mAXabBVjB58bASMzZEJzPPU84gEgjZR
Bowjob: it should have 195 BTC on that address, not 169
Bowjob: my electrum says 195..
Bowjob: this transaction doesnt make sense, I only spent 56 BTC here
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/tx/a1a8111cb8c26e8ae1a06dcf1895e0b0e52c084673a9df5cc703abff0a48336c
Bowjob: it says 82 total
Bowjob: wtf
dub: every other bash quote is from some homo efnet oper
dub: its a fucking circlejerk
mircea_popescu: dub welcome to internets
mircea_popescu: Bowjob prolly best harass piuk in forum
mircea_popescu: and also tell him to get on irc :D
B0g4r7_: Bowjob, the rest got sent to a "balance address".
Bowjob: whats a balance address
Bowjob: fyi, I only used 1 address ^
mircea_popescu: Bowjob that's how we make money.
B0g4r7_: I'm not entirely clear on it. I think it happens when it needs to split funds or something.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin financial elite steals from ordinary users by redirecting some random % of some txs
B0g4r7_: It gets sent to a newly-generated address that then gets placed i your wallet.
B0g4r7_: in
B0g4r7_: The ppl in #bitcoin-dev would know better.
Bowjob: eh.. i dont understand lol
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it's like this : you can only spend a WHOLE input.
iz: B0g4r7_: so you had 82.308 in a single bitcoin address, and you wanted to spend 56.82.. so 56.82 goes to where you want to spend it, and then 25.48 comes back in change to one of your new randomly generated wallet addresses
mircea_popescu: like, if you have 50 btc, the next time you spend ANY btc yougotta spend the whole 50
B0g4r7_: iz: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the way this works in practice is that you send however much to who you owe
mircea_popescu: and the rest to another address of yours
mircea_popescu: and iz iz fasterz than mez ;/
Bowjob: but.. one thing I don't get.. where is that 25 BTC sent?
Bowjob: I use electrum, only 5 addys
Bowjob: I checked the rest, I don't have them
mircea_popescu: hm
B0g4r7_: It goes to a newly-generated address in your wallet.
Bowjob: but I can't see the address?
B0g4r7_: The addresses are hidden somehow (maybe?)
B0g4r7_: idk Electrum really.
Bowjob: yes, its hidden.. umm, but my total says 200 BTC
Bowjob: so it must be here, then its hidden? wtf
B0g4r7_: Maybe ask #electrum
Bowjob: mmk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00175 = 0.875 BTC [-]
blu3gr1ffon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28900, Last trade: 36.01100, 24 hour volume: 45723.66365557, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.42630
Bowjob: yeap.
Bowjob: 1G6evBnvqzZ3mDoxbjWivFLVzcG9JBhfXR
Bowjob: It's in this address.. I just don't see it on my client
maximian: mircea_popescu: so evoorhees will actually have to issue a dividend of 6619BTC to cover all 50,000,000 shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maximian im not sure of the exact figure. how much did sdice make in feb ?
maximian: 13000+ BTC
mircea_popescu: then yes
maximian: evoorhees wrote that he'll be paying 1721BTC, which I assume he calculated based on 13M shares, which works out to 0.00013238 per share
maximian: OK
mircea_popescu: course most of it goes back to him i imagine, so it prolly works out to that
maximian: right
maximian: but yeah, a great way to verify income
maximian: at least half of it anyway
kakobrekla: o looky https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147914.msg1582968#msg1582968
mircea_popescu: maximian kinda the idea.
mircea_popescu: o hey check that stuff out!
Lyspooner: on bitbet, create a long-dated bet with a close to 50-50 outcome, bet both sides of it, take advantage of the early weighting part of the algorithm
Lyspooner: amirite
mircea_popescu: may work, yes.
mircea_popescu: you underwrite the marketmaker risk for a possible profit down the road.
mircea_popescu: im sure as more people figure out what's what there's going to be bookmaking of this sort, for everyone's benefit
mircea_popescu: (ocasional better gets stabler odds)
Lyspooner: it's an interesting way to earn positive interest rates on deposits at the expense of later bettors
mircea_popescu: leading bitcoin financial instruments since 2012.
Lyspooner: what, bitbet?
Bugpowder: Lyspooner: yes of course
Bugpowder: This is what I did with the NFL bets
Bugpowder: Also set the ratio at the real moneyline
Lyspooner: nice
Lyspooner: i did something like that, where i just bought a bunch of bitcoins with money
Bugpowder: There is actually an optimal amount to rebet as well, against any bets that move the odds away from the line
Bugpowder: however rebetting only works well if you have set the time decay such that there is little or no decay
Bowjob: http://i45.tinypic.com/2uz8ao3.png
Bowjob: My prediction back in december
Bowjob: boy I was wrong
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: critticall did a better job.
Bowjob: LTC is now at 13 cents.. da fuck is going on
dub: retards
mircea_popescu: retards must has bubble.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00078 = 3.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000781 = 7.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00078284 = 2.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055001 = 3.3001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01300, Best ask: 36.33600, Bid-ask spread: 0.32300, Last trade: 36.01300, 24 hour volume: 46753.53869852, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45420
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.07110, Best ask: 36.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25890, Last trade: 36.07110, 24 hour volume: 46733.12002181, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45680
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]
Bowjob: the electrum irc is useless
Bowjob: everyone there is in limbo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 5 @ 0.18595405 = 0.9298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.595 = 2.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 6,621.40925 BTC to 50`000`000 shares, 13242 satoshi per share
maximian: nice!
mircea_popescu: cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4000101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 1.40001001 = 21.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34499 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1620 @ 0.005967 = 9.6665 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: what the fucking hell it downtrends pre div and then UPTRENDS post div ?
Bugpowder: As usual
mircea_popescu: does this make any sense ?!
Bugpowder: Maybe if people think he ain't gonna pay
mircea_popescu: i guess...
mircea_popescu: maybe somebody was trying to create a sell panic
Bugpowder: Small volume anyway
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: maybe some people reinvesting divs
Bugpowder: Yeah that is it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00596998 = 2.388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00596999 = 11.94 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Most likely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4600 @ 0.00597 = 27.462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 619 @ 0.00598 = 3.7016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 147 @ 0.00599999 = 0.882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1661 @ 0.00599999 = 9.966 BTC [+]
maximian: oooh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.006 = 30 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00600768 = 6.0077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7695 @ 0.00611032 = 47.0189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3536 @ 0.00620077 = 21.9259 BTC [+]
error4733: "maybe some people reinvesting divs"
ThickAsThieves: is why it always goes up after divs, it's a testament to SDICE's allure
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500002 / 0.00587605 / 0.00620077 (53227 shares, 312.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00584889 / 0.0063799 (341165 shares, 1,995.44 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00595448 / 0.007395 (6741410 shares, 40,141.61 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 700 @ 0.0015 = 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5652 @ 0.00078628 = 4.4441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1399 @ 0.00075212 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16940 @ 0.00075072 = 12.7172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2280000 @ 0.00075 = 1710 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 96 @ 0.0059 = 0.5664 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: I wish betbet resolutions were as fast as s.dices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00620076 = 1.2402 BTC [-]
the_silent_wande: hey, can anyone tell me if this last bet on http://bitbet.us/bet/267/btc-usd-at-mt-gox-will-hit-35-in-march/ will be refunded?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5336 @ 0.00620077 = 33.0873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 134464 @ 0.006225 = 837.0384 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if only that were possible.
the_silent_wande: because I made that bet like three hours before it got confirmed, and I really want it to not be refunded.
mircea_popescu: the_silent_wande not likely
blu3gr1f1on: it would make you a sort of magical unicorn, able to determine outcomes of user submitted gobshite bets
mircea_popescu: still like 5 days to go or w/e
the_silent_wande: mircea_popescu thank you.
blu3gr1f1on: the_silent_wande: are you the last bet for 1btc?
the_silent_wande: yes
the_silent_wande: <blu3gr1f1on> yeah
blu3gr1f1on: good timing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6295 = 2.518 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: did you include a mining fee?
blu3gr1f1on: when you sent your bet?
the_silent_wande: I sent via Coinbase.com
blu3gr1f1on: you should not keep coins there. buy them, and MOVE THEM.
blu3gr1f1on: great way to get your hands on them. poor way to store them.
blu3gr1f1on: unless interested in privacy
blu3gr1f1on: btw
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136243652861.jpg
mircea_popescu: pic unrelated.
blu3gr1f1on: flexible
BitHub: what happened with PrimeAsic?
BitHub: legit?
mircea_popescu: we don't know yet.
mircea_popescu: bitbet says like 100:1 legit, but i dunno.
BitHub: i like those odds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12260046 = 1122.6005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 96 @ 0.0061 = 0.5856 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 564 @ 0.00617 = 3.4799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12080012 = 1120.8001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eh
mircea_popescu: this has all the makings of adventuer
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.34499 = 2.0699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00617 = 0.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
BitHub: .65 hey
jcpham: 36.40 nbd
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.22123, Best ask: 36.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17877, Last trade: 36.40000, 24 hour volume: 47630.33370173, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.51830
Chaang-Noi: wow.. i really should sleep more often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00075 = 25.95 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ltc too...
dub: a wild libertard appears http://dailyreckoning.com/boycott-bitcoin/
error4733: hey, i need 3 mate to try poker at https://strikesapphire.com/
error4733: freeroll in 20min but need 4 players to start
Namworld: I'll login
mircea_popescu: dub sign bitcoin's breaking into mainstream
mircea_popescu: error4733 who runs that ?
Bowjob: Ooh. quite a huge buy
Namworld: where?
Bowjob: oh , i was talking about dice
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.39746, Best ask: 36.39929, Bid-ask spread: 0.00183, Last trade: 36.39930, 24 hour volume: 47668.19097261, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.52726
BitHub: hey anyone selling BTC in AUD? yeah i've tried otc
mircea_popescu: maybe ukto
BitHub: hmmm nah
BitHub: maybe mircea
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.00078 = 0.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00196 = 0.196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00195 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 30 @ 0.00195 = 0.0585 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 62067.62 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 6529233.27387 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
Chaang-Noi: who has 6 million fiat on gox?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.16100, Best ask: 36.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18900, Last trade: 36.39999, 24 hour volume: 46677.07588137, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.55065
Bowjob: just an ordinary day in bitcoinland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
error4733: sorry Namworld.. i forgot about asking here... I just want so see if it's better than sealclub
error4733: mp : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137440.msg1465041#msg1465041
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
dub: error4733: haven't been on there for a while, have they actually got players these days? used to be a ghost town
Chaang-Noi: ;;calc 47.08908/2000
gribble: 0.02354454
dub: I for one support any site that takes users away from micon
Chaang-Noi: micron sold it right?
dub: seals?
Chaang-Noi: i thought so
pigeons: he's the pro, he didn't own it
Chaang-Noi: i might be wrong
Chaang-Noi: okay, well who ever had it i think sold it
dub: oh, I stopped playing there because he's an assclown
[\\\]: micon never owned seals afaik
Chaang-Noi: when your paid pro gets business to stop playing lol
[\\\]: he was just a talking head
Chaang-Noi: i just remeber reading about seals being sold, i dont know by whom or to whom
pigeons: way to spread the facts ;)
Chaang-Noi: i try!
Bugpowder: Seals is run by shady poker scammers
dub: I like this ssaCEO's style however, he's like the al swearengen of pr
Bugpowder: According to a friend who knows them from way back in poker land
pigeons: this channel is the no gossip express today
[\\\]: cocksucka!
[\\\]: Wu!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ltc is not a btc assets but anyone know why it went up 100% in 1.5 days?
pigeons: kimdotcom is accepting it for mega and pirate will pay everyone back in ltc
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: same reason bitcoin has gone up 5% a day for the last several weeks.
dub: I think more likely because eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation is getting underway
pigeons: i've got one of those mugs and it is gorgeous actually
pigeons: but eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation sounds better
[\\\]: its like calling a chunk of frozen tundra greenland
[\\\]: and a chunk of beautiful land iceland
Chaang-Noi: pigeons the mug is pretty cool?
Chaang-Noi: ill have to look into getting one
pigeons: yeah i already posted pictures maybe again later
Chaang-Noi: oh, yeah if you do send link please, thanks
dub: inb4 the mug gives you aids
Chaang-Noi: lol, are we all drunk/high on caffine today? :)
Chaang-Noi: or did i miss out on a meme
[\\\]: high on rice
pigeons: i don't think its aids, i think maybe i just have mono
Chaang-Noi: ahh, pigeons is sick, sorry to hear that man
pigeons: but its a pretty mug
dub: pretty fucking ugly
Chaang-Noi: beer mug, coffee mug?
dub: aids mug
[\\\]: mug shot
Chaang-Noi: lol,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5815 @ 0.00074361 = 4.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11362916 = 1113.6292 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00614 = 0.0307 BTC [+]
dub: srsly though a home made out of who knows what mixture of clay, mud and the feces eskimoboob probably smears all over himself
dub: poorly glazed, porous, harbouring all manner bacteria and auto-immune disease
dub: be prepared for a slow and painful death shitting yourself inside out from dysentery
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11303376 = 1113.0338 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: some big fucking positions
mircea_popescu: dub srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i been sorta watching his venture peripherally, i find the idea rather amusing
dub: well, if you are comfortable easting your cornflakes out of any random homless persons asshole then go right ahead
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ like 5k went today
Bugpowder_: 7k
dub: in food hygene terms its the same thing
Bugpowder_: so far
Bugpowder_: going to 10k
Bugpowder_: probably
mircea_popescu: yah right you are
mircea_popescu: definitely record month
mircea_popescu: and it's only the 5th o wow.
[\\\]: congrats
[\\\]: give the girl a raise
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i'm gonna live to regret these
mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world, if you have no trade you're depressed, if you get trade you're worried.
mircea_popescu: dub it's amusing inasmuch as there's this new trend among the terminally retarded lefties
mircea_popescu: "make art a business"
mircea_popescu: as fucking if a. what they did was art and b. you can make money at art w/o an elite
dub: mircea_popescu: hey if he can scrape a living out of exploiting hippies thats fine. Putting anything you plan to ingest in a home made pottery receptacle is gastric russian roulette
mircea_popescu: it's so broken i can't put it in words
mircea_popescu: dub right, cause the hippies have dough.
mircea_popescu: through the process of what ? alchemy ?
dub: its not my model bro
mircea_popescu: unless he starts distributing tokes as dividends...
[\\\]: wait, you invested in dankbank?
mircea_popescu: someone invested in that ?
dub: as long has pigeons has exploding colon insurance he'll be fine too
mircea_popescu: you know there's some vitamin that you only get by eating dirt basically ?
[\\\]: yeah, its called "vitamin stupid"
mircea_popescu: no dood.
dub: vitamin lysteria
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/search?q=vitamin+dirt&complete=0
mircea_popescu: ahaha totally. vitamin b. haters.
dub: er listeria
dub: firstly there's no vitamin b its a group of vitamins and you get them from lots of places
mircea_popescu: dirt!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11124958 = 1111.2496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well really, some bacteria which unlike us can synthesize it
dub: eatign dirt is not a good idea, listeria is a very nasty way to die
dub: need vit. b? drink red bull you'll live longer
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 0.65 = 9.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 91 @ 0.00614 = 0.5587 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 36.8 crazy
Chaang-Noi: oh shit asicminer-pt is trading:)
BitHub: i just got some on BitFunder
Chaang-Noi: what is it trading at bitfunder?
BitHub: same price i think
Chaang-Noi: cool, .65 is a good number
Chaang-Noi: what is the webiste for btctc ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 49 @ 0.00615 = 0.3014 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i dont know the name of that other exchange :/
BitHub: this might sound really n00b but is there a way to exchange between PT's
Namworld: No, not really, why?
Chaang-Noi: btct.co
Namworld: What PT do you hold?
Chaang-Noi: you could but it would be a pain in the ass
BitHub: for example say i want an asset on BF but i only have a mpex account but i could buy an asset on BF using or leveraging an asset i have on MPEX to buy that asset on BF
Namworld: Not sure I understand what you mean...
dub: havelock has just implemented that
BitHub: i dont know like i said i'm probably being a real n00b
dub: (if I understood correctly)
thestringpuller: Don't trust havelock
thestringpuller: Havelock is controlled by the Borg.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34499 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074361 / 0.00075087 / 0.00078628 (2432192 shares, 1,826.28 BTC), 7D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075245 / 0.00078628 (3534723 shares, 2,659.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067759 / 0.00078628 (62988367 shares, 42,680.30 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.1100618 = 1110.0618 BTC [-]
BitHub: ahh okey dub
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 41.20198681 / 46.0855546 (no shares, 6,242.04 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Namworld: some S.DICE-PT available for 0.00599
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.85901, Best ask: 36.89300, Bid-ask spread: 0.03399, Last trade: 36.89300, 24 hour volume: 48595.38328206, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 36.90000, 24 hour vwap: 35.65034
thestringpuller: hmm
Namworld: what, we're already hitting 37
error4733: not fun for me, since i start in december
error4733: it was ALWAYS rally time
Namworld: I bought in at 5 USD and 10 USD
error4733: and sold at ?
Namworld: Haven't sold, lost them to some bad "miner"
Namworld: Mostly
error4733: sick
error4733: but u're still in
dub: bad miner?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00584168 = 0.5842 BTC [-]
error4733: bad invest in ASCISMINER right ?
mircea_popescu: error4733 give it time, it may collapse once more.
Namworld: ASICMINER is selling for 6x what it IPOed at
error4733: mp : obv, i'm not like i bet my house on infinite rally
error4733: in fact yes, but it's a other question
error4733: i hope a crash for a good re entry spot
mircea_popescu: lol wghat ?!
BitHub: i'm going to make a long term 100 play
BitHub: so anything under 100$ is good enough for me
BitHub: lets do it
error4733: so u mining with gpu ?
Namworld: no, was lending to Amazingrando, waiting to have enough for a BFL rig. But Amazingrando never repaid.
error4733: when i should stop mining with GPU if i thinks BTC'll hit 200$ ?
dub: how much does your power cost
error4733: i never start but
mircea_popescu: if you never started then don't start.
BitHub: so i guess PrimeAsic was fake?
mircea_popescu: BitHub why ?
BitHub: that's what i'm asking
BitHub: was it?
aiball: !ticker .sbbet
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
BitHub: site's down
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.82002, Best ask: 36.94000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11998, Last trade: 36.80000, 24 hour volume: 49186.53224211, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.67406
Chaang-Noi: 37 wow
mircea_popescu: afaik we don't know yet.
aiball: ;;ticker s.bbet
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0015 / 0.00175636 / 0.00197 (76200 shares, 133.83 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00176507 / 0.00197 (79498 shares, 140.32 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165614 / 0.00197 (128608 shares, 212.99 BTC)
aiball: thanks!
BitHub: ahhh okey
mircea_popescu: bitbet bet gives them good odds of being real, but i dunno.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 1.10887536 = 415.8283 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00878 BTC [+]
dub: error4733: if you had cheap power and efficient GPUs you're good till around 100mn diff
error4733: neither of the two...
mircea_popescu: sooo, is that the end of it ?
error4733: thinks so
BitHub: hmmmm
error4733: but i want try, i think it's a good way to learn BTC
error4733: don't care about the 0.000000475 btc/day
error4733: good way also to understand altcoin, why is good, why is a scam
dub: not sure it is tbh, theres also teh heat, noise, decreased MTBF of your hardware
dub: might be fun to give it a try but I wouldn't be buying new GPUs at this point unless you plan to pwn n00bs with them on the side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00561 = 28.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00560001 = 11.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005501 = 2.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.005501 = 1.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19900 @ 0.0054 = 107.46 BTC [-]
error4733: no one be objective with altcoin bc they old one but hate the new one, etc
Chaang-Noi: og fuck yeah http://www.namecheap.com/support/payment-options/bitcoin.aspx
mircea_popescu: ok, that's great.
thismustb: hey guys, do you know any MT4 trading platforms that allow leverage and would let you have a live account with not that much money?
mircea_popescu: thismustb kakobrekla's thing maybe ?
thismustb: yea thats why i went to this channel but his site says 50BTC min deposit
thismustb: that's a bit steep at current rates
mircea_popescu: hm
Chaang-Noi: i use namecheap, can wait to pay my next bills :)
mircea_popescu: wasn't he saying something about deci bitcoin lots or something ?
thismustb: hehe i dont know, i've only traded forex before, no experience in btc yet
thismustb: i just forgot 40$ in bitcoins about a year ago. then i saw btc is at 36$ now
thismustb: opened my BTC and bam 400$
thismustb: i was like wow, i should just try trading that
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/308235762103644161
mircea_popescu: tweeter liked that one lol
Eduard_Munteanu: You guys don't celebrate? We just broke $37! :)
dub: dude.. that picture
mircea_popescu: dub which ?
dub: you are a fucking baller
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.80002, Best ask: 36.99960, Bid-ask spread: 0.19958, Last trade: 36.99960, 24 hour volume: 49556.91047748, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.70360
mircea_popescu: yes im a baller lol
dub: the background
mircea_popescu: that was me in mexico, eating chocolate bonbons in the street
mircea_popescu: with like, a red purse, white suit. sent it back home the agape silence could be heard across the ocean.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00616 = 0.0123 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: the photo is quite epic indeed
mircea_popescu: it's fair tho, girl was carying my jacket, so.
ThickAsThieves: are you wearing her pants too?
mircea_popescu: no, those are my pants.,
mircea_popescu: girls don't get pants.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: go asic miner :)
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why people are buying on btct when they are 100% divs on BF
ThickAsThieves: at same price
mircea_popescu: they prefer the design.
Chaang-Noi: trust in the exchange
Chaang-Noi: if i used one already id not make a new account for 10 shares and just lose the 5%
ThickAsThieves: trust could be an answer
Ukto: hopfully soon there will be more reasons to want one exchange over another, at least regarding the services that the exchange offers. >:P
ThickAsThieves: i have nothing against either, but i do find myself on BF more and more
ThickAsThieves: Namworld gets props for being the fastes sdice PT div payer
Namworld: I try to give dividends the same day.
Namworld: I even got the div on S.MPOE out before it was actually made
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
ThickAsThieves: took me a couple days to notice that one
mircea_popescu: maybe i should pay negative divs
Ukto: LOL
ThickAsThieves: should make the price go up higher
mircea_popescu: bit tit ?!
ThickAsThieves: BitIT probly
mircea_popescu: a while back the girl went on some stripper forum to give them free btc
mircea_popescu: the airheads wouldn't take it.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's no bit tit ;/
ThickAsThieves: that was a good read
dub: that was your girl?
mircea_popescu: dub "that"
mircea_popescu: the dilemma of cluelessness. if you give it free then it must be worthless or else you wouldn't give it for free. if you sell it then it's not worth it.
dub: on the cam girl forum
mircea_popescu: trying to go through life without a head must be painful.
mircea_popescu: dub mpoe-pr is mpoe-pr ya know ?
ThickAsThieves: yeesh 37.34 already
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.21510, Best ask: 37.34000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12490, Last trade: 37.21510, 24 hour volume: 50374.26609504, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.34000, 24 hour vwap: 35.73039
mircea_popescu: shit's crazy
ThickAsThieves: when do we start to worry
Eduard_Munteanu: I'm pondering what price should I leave a sell order at for the night.
mircea_popescu: i'd say if it goes over 100
ThickAsThieves: seems like it can't end now
ThickAsThieves: everyone be speculatin
mircea_popescu: 50 i would guess is possible, but over 100 is bubble territory.
ThickAsThieves: but can't we reach the sungularity soon
Eduard_Munteanu: I think we've just begun attracting the Wall Street guys into it.
ThickAsThieves: singularity
Chaang-Noi: it looks like to me all the bears who tried to sell are gone... we dont even get small correctios anymore
Chaang-Noi: i think eduard is right,
Chaang-Noi: and also the mega guys...
mircea_popescu: ya, all those millions coinlab is selling.
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 18100.683 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 776692.059089 USD in total. | Data vintage: 67.7184 seconds
ThickAsThieves: that's nothing
Eduard_Munteanu: You kinda get a sort of correction, but it's not much to scalp.
Eduard_Munteanu: I do try to scalp a bit though, I don't make a lot compared to the trend, but it's still something.
ThickAsThieves: i don;t under stand why some millionaire hasn't bought it into oblivion yet
Eduard_Munteanu: Because volatility...
Ukto: they are not millionaires for nothing. well, not most
Eduard_Munteanu: But as time passes that may become less of a problem.
Ukto: and what about MP?
dub: I think to be safe some millionair would need to buy a proper dev team first
Ukto: he has lots of btc
Ukto: :P
ThickAsThieves: now lite coin is .00353btc/.125usd
ThickAsThieves: sry .00367btc
dub: failure there is the biggest risk imo
Chaang-Noi: i heart ltc
Chaang-Noi: sold some btc to buy wife a truck, then made it back in one day with ltc
Chaang-Noi: lol, i doubt im worth anything
Chaang-Noi: most people pay to get rid of me! :)
mircea_popescu: of course, all this was foretold http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
mircea_popescu: "As a complete aside: putting a 5mn BTC buywall @ $200 each up in MtGox might actually be the most rational use of a billion dollars currently. You'll end up with 2-3 mn BTC and the price will be permanently in the hundreds. Profit."
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130941.msg1403357#msg1403357
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: what's your background btw? Anything economics-related or not?
mircea_popescu: physics adn philosophy.
Eduard_Munteanu: Interesting. Mine's systems / control engineering, though I'm mostly a software dude.
ThickAsThieves: has missed that article thx
ThickAsThieves: had
ThickAsThieves: i imagine the bit time alt coins wars is a likely part of butcoins future
mircea_popescu: i was in what they called at the time a "suprareal" class in highschool. basically romania's gifted kids programme.
ThickAsThieves: liek a Google coin
ThickAsThieves: or a US altcoin
ThickAsThieves: EU altcoin
ThickAsThieves: etc
mircea_popescu: got admitted to bbu with 10 on grounds of olympiads
mircea_popescu: and finished philosophy/antrhopology at aiu
ThickAsThieves: typing like shit tonight... not exactly sober
Eduard_Munteanu: Nice, mircea_popescu.
topace_: hey mircea_popescu you there?
topace_: any chance you can approve my withdraw so i can pay my dividends? :)
mircea_popescu: yeah
topace_: thanks!
topace_: think someone was trying to be sneaky and push units from mpex->havelock to get the dividend twice
topace_: pay dividend first, THEN ill approve the push :)
topace_: i guess thats a "gotcha" for automatic push processing
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: yeah totally.
mircea_popescu: too much automation isn't healthy in finance anyway
mircea_popescu: course it may be a good idea to just ignore the thing and let people fleece you.
mircea_popescu: paying a 2% for new business may not be a bad deal, and besides, people value a dollar they think they stole above one they had to earn.
topace_: haha thats true
topace_: excellent dividend paid... g'nite
topace_: (and pending mpex push approved)
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 1 second
mircea_popescu: is it me or are blocks incredibly fast.
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224327 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1464 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4826833.94454 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.50758
Chaang-Noi: we had 7 blocks in 15 mins last night...
mircea_popescu: 10% huh.
Chaang-Noi: 14 hours ago
mircea_popescu: so basically, 1k blocks went by in 2 days ?
Chaang-Noi: closer to 8500?
Chaang-Noi: lol wait what?
mircea_popescu: iirc about 2 days ago we were just starting this current diff
Chaang-Noi: 1 blocks in 2 days?
mircea_popescu: 1k = 1000
ThickAsThieves: maybe something to do with why the diff est was so high at first
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
Chaang-Noi: i dont think we did 1k blocks in 2 days, thats crazy
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 22 seconds
Chaang-Noi: 288 blocks are normal for 2 days
Chaang-Noi: 1k in 2 days is 4004 normal
Chaang-Noi: 400$
mircea_popescu: we did ~480 in the past 48 hours
Chaang-Noi: fuck,,, 400%
Chaang-Noi: 480 i could buy that... 1k no ;)
mircea_popescu: i was just guessing.
Chaang-Noi: yeah i knew it was higher than normal but seemed pretty high even for a ballpark guess
Chaang-Noi: i saw the 7 block in 15 mins and was like shiiit...
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 32 seconds
mircea_popescu: ok this is more normal
Chaang-Noi: http://blockchain.info/ last 7 blocks and time
Chaang-Noi: 6, 8, 13, 38, 42, 46, and 52 mins ago
Chaang-Noi: fast but somehwat close to normal
mircea_popescu: 8 instead of 6
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/308799432818839552
mircea_popescu: hehe ver is late
Chaang-Noi: yeah he is
Chaang-Noi: but still, cant hurt to post
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
Chaang-Noi: its a significant site for tech type people
mircea_popescu: http://endthelie.com/2013/02/28/ulterior-motives-behind-the-copyright-alert-system/#axzz2MdgHZkPO
mircea_popescu: this is hysterical.
mircea_popescu: Brooke: What happens if you get 7, 8 and 9 strikes?
mircea_popescu: Jill: We hope by the time people get to alerts 5 or 6, they’ll stop. Once they’ve been mitigated, once they received several alerts, we’re just not going to send them any more alerts because they’re not the kind of customer we’re going to reach with this program
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this bs.
mircea_popescu: "Once they’ve been mitigated"
Chaang-Noi: tor everything :/
mircea_popescu: have you been mitigated ?
ThickAsThieves: these guys have the right idea, www.bitfetch.com
mircea_popescu: 0.005 BTC / GB
mircea_popescu: so basically pay them the 15 cents per movie that the miaa won't take.
Chaang-Noi: was their not already a bitcoin service taht did this?
mircea_popescu: why not just get netflix
ThickAsThieves: youc an dl any torrent
ThickAsThieves: apps, etc
Chaang-Noi: my parents in the us got rid of tv and got netflixs
ThickAsThieves: also netflix doesnt have everything
Chaang-Noi: they dont pirate...
Chaang-Noi: what is netflixs each month?
ThickAsThieves: $10?
ThickAsThieves: i have it and i dont know
Chaang-Noi: ahh cable tv was like $60
ThickAsThieves: cheap
Chaang-Noi: i see why they moved
Chaang-Noi: they dont even watch much tv...
ThickAsThieves: fukn comcast cable package is like $150 or some shit
Chaang-Noi: yeah
Chaang-Noi: if i go back to the usa ill get google fiber
maximian: looks like assbot is dead
Chaang-Noi: or no action?
mircea_popescu: !ticker assbot is dead
Chaang-Noi: hmm
mircea_popescu: totally.
ThickAsThieves: 37.70
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.25001, Best ask: 37.37400, Bid-ask spread: 0.12399, Last trade: 37.37400, 24 hour volume: 51650.54746078, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.79829
ThickAsThieves: 40 in 12hrs?
pizzaman1337: it's just nuts
BitHub: way overpiced
mircea_popescu: ponzi.
BitHub: throwing cash at this thing and losing out
mircea_popescu: how are you losing out ?
BitHub: i dont know
ThickAsThieves: still plenty of atmosphere for this bubble
BitHub: tell me if you think this is a good idea
ThickAsThieves: yes
BitHub: from now till end of the year i'm not going to sell any btc and just keep buying and buying up till end of the year
ThickAsThieves: thats what everyone else is doing
BitHub: so anything under 100$ is good right?
Chaang-Noi: damn 37.7
mircea_popescu: haha how should i know ?!
ThickAsThieves: what kind of bitcoin messiah are you?
mircea_popescu: me ?!
ThickAsThieves: i guess not!
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days
ThickAsThieves: mp, you obv server a paternal role here
mircea_popescu: this is ther sound of btcguild crushing everyone
BitHub: i just need to know
ThickAsThieves: peeps gonna ask for guidance
BitHub: do we have a chance of hitting 500 onday?
mircea_popescu: well ok, but ask me for guidance about how to stuff the vagoo, not about wtf the price will be
ThickAsThieves: we have a chacne to hit many numbers
mircea_popescu: BitHub in principle we have a chance to hit any finite ratio within a finite interval.
BitHub: oh jesus
mircea_popescu: deepbit + 50btc + slush < btc guild.
mircea_popescu: i should have had a bet up for this
ThickAsThieves: if you make a bet for any pool vs BTCguild, that pool's userbase will grow
ThickAsThieves: there i submitted one
grubles: i think i just now got the reason for naming assbot it's name
BitHub: should be trollbot
mircea_popescu: someone shuld make buttobt
grubles: just change everything to butt
grubles: buttsets
grubles: it's much more politically correct
mircea_popescu: ok buttbles
ThickAsThieves: maybe buttbot can kick spammers (spam detected)
grubles: buttbles works
mircea_popescu: buttbot and assbot cvould have an assbutt baby
grubles: (if you google the urban dictionary definition of grubbles, that is)
ThickAsThieves: Would it be possible to definively know if someone bought the entire Gox ask wall for one moment?
grubles: no
mircea_popescu: volume
grubles: what about bots
ThickAsThieves: wouldn't it be represented visually on goxlive by the center line touching the right side?
ThickAsThieves: or i guess it would move
ThickAsThieves: meh
ThickAsThieves: thought it might a decent bet
ThickAsThieves: be
mircea_popescu: not rly.
grubles: you still couldnt tell if there were 100 people buying coins or 1
ThickAsThieves: oh well
grubles: unless you were magicaltux
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13624623944.gif
ThickAsThieves: the force is strong in that one
mircea_popescu: lol
grubles: since when do stormtroopers wear sheets
mircea_popescu: since katrina
mircea_popescu: blew away their other gear
grubles: everything but their stormtrooper helmet?
grubles: thats a bit ironic isnt it?
BitHub: one of your camping trips again mircea?
mircea_popescu: i guess so. yeah
ThickAsThieves: looks like he's still getting blown away
grubles: hiyooooo!
mircea_popescu: BitHub no, i'm not geek enough
grubles: mircea_popescu: youre missing out
mircea_popescu: prolly
BitHub: haha
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/bicyclists_as_polluters/ When contacted by the Seattle Bike Blog, representative Orcutt stuck to his guns. "You would be giving off more CO2 if you are riding a bike than driving in a car," he said, but he admitted that he had not "done any analysis"
mircea_popescu: "Well I was looking for a trader to grab 5 bitcoins from for days,and this asshole pm'ed me saying he had them. I should've known better,but was desperate and time was of the essence. I really needed these 5 bitcoins for an emergency too. Anyway I gave him my mpak and receipt and he hasnt been back since (3 days)."
mircea_popescu: what may that emergency have been'
ThickAsThieves: drugs
BitHub: btc4cam.com
grubles: drugs
ThickAsThieves: he needed to save his kidnapped daughter from human traffickers, using mostly karate chops
ThickAsThieves: and bitcoins
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.65364, Best ask: 37.76034, Bid-ask spread: 0.10670, Last trade: 37.65364, 24 hour volume: 52475.05497893, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.76034, 24 hour vwap: 35.85542
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149198.0
mircea_popescu: ;;title
gribble: (title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
mircea_popescu: ;;title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149198.0
gribble: Bitcoin protocol broken?
Chaang-Noi: dat wall at 37
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82184.msg1581015#msg1581015
mircea_popescu: lulzy.
Chaang-Noi: mp check out he blocks http://blockchain.info/
Chaang-Noi: 7 in 21 mins
mircea_popescu: le ouch
mircea_popescu: so is there anything to this story about asicminer chips blowing out like baloons or just bs ?
Chaang-Noi: asicminer has not been proven to mine over 5th
Chaang-Noi: we seem to have hit a wall and no one knows why
BitHub: :/
BitHub: what?
Chaang-Noi: this could be for 1000 different reasons
Chaang-Noi: im not worried
BitHub: i am
Chaang-Noi: the chips blowing out i call bs
BitHub: wtf
Chaang-Noi: clearly they are mining like crazy... also i expect the next dividend to be crazy
mircea_popescu: well which is it, like crazy or hit a wall ?
BitHub: the forum post don't look good
dub: friedcat said they were having power problems
[\\\]: why would the next dividend by crazy?
[\\\]: they've onyl paid out 30% of ipo to date and once they hit that threshold, twice as many shares will be collecting future dividends
[\\\]: be*, only*
Chaang-Noi: first dividend they took out paying off a lot of debt, i assume second dividend all debt has been delat with
BitHub: here we go
[\\\]: and what about in 2 weeks when 300 avalons finally arrive?
[\\\]: and bfl starts shipping?
Chaang-Noi: i said next dividend, not in a month...
mircea_popescu: isn't div monthly ?
Chaang-Noi: every wednesday in OP
[\\\]: its whenever friedcata gets to it
mircea_popescu: weekly ? that's kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: but anyway
Chaang-Noi: op says weekly and every wednesday...
Chaang-Noi: will that happen i dont know...
Chaang-Noi: but i bought assuming it would...
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: some say thats not soon enough
[\\\]: you know, miners should be paid instantaneously
BitHub: sweet weekly
Chaang-Noi: might get changed to thursday however cuz of last week but i expect weekly and i expect this week to be like .05 maybe
BitHub: each share?
[\\\]: how long did they mine before paying the first dividend?
mircea_popescu: [\\\] heh. yeah.
Chaang-Noi: they got atleast 15% of the network right?
[\\\]: no
[\\\]: well, close
[\\\]: ;;nethahs
gribble: Error: "nethahs" is not a valid command.
[\\\]: ;;nethash
gribble: 36234.3320016
ThickAsThieves: they mined for what, 2 weeks?
BitHub: awww yeah i hope its .05 per share
[\\\]: 2 they mined for 2 weeks, paid debt, paid .03 div
[\\\]: so now they've mined for 1 week
[\\\]: and diff went up
[\\\]: expecting .05 is a bit much
Chaang-Noi: okay i did the math, maybe .02 is beter
Chaang-Noi: my guess was high
Chaang-Noi: still a very nice weekly div
[\\\]: it won't last
Chaang-Noi: i kow
[\\\]: another week, another 15% diff jump
Chaang-Noi: i never said it would:)
ThickAsThieves: or will it?
[\\\]: another week, 300 avalons
Chaang-Noi: but if 5th gos to 12 th and 12 th goes to 60 th....
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: after .1, your div gets cut in half
ThickAsThieves: right
Chaang-Noi: i thought batch one shipped in jan? :)
[\\\]: so it takes doubling just to keep even
[\\\]: it was never to ship in jan
Chaang-Noi: yeah the .1 get cut in half, but that money gets invested into new asics right?
Chaang-Noi: new asics means more TH/s...
[\\\]: that will cost money
[\\\]: those shares aren't the company
Chaang-Noi: im pretty happy with asicminer, and if bfl keeps failing...
[\\\]: friedcat has to get paid
[\\\]: those three own the other half
Chaang-Noi: ahh. then they will be rich mofos...
[\\\]: yeah
Chaang-Noi: still im pretty happy
[\\\]: perhaps
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
[\\\]: anyone paying .6/share is gonna take a long while to pay off
mircea_popescu: aww assbot!
Chaang-Noi: im going to assume they keep 10% network for a year and see what that brings in...
mircea_popescu: [\\\] last i saw it was like 100 btc
[\\\]: huh?
[\\\]: who is paying 100 btc a share?
mircea_popescu: no, total volume
[\\\]: I've got a bunch to sell then
[\\\]: oh
Chaang-Noi: i think he means vol
[\\\]: yeah, no depth
[\\\]: point still remains
[\\\]: anyone buying at .6 will take a while to pay off
ThickAsThieves: you dont necessarily need to "pay off" the share at all
ThickAsThieves: you can sell it
Chaang-Noi: ;;calc 25 x 6 x 24 x 365
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: throwing * a litte* away on a long bet isn't necessarily a bad strategy
[\\\]: assuming the company survives
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: aye, been there, done that ;)
mircea_popescu: :p
[\\\]: until they can answer why they're stuck on 5
[\\\]: I'm jaded
Chaang-Noi: okay assuming they only keep 105 of the network on average for a year that is .3285 in two years double that to about what it is selling for now...
[\\\]: two years in bitcoin is forever
Chaang-Noi: yeah i sold some at .6 but keeping the alst half,
Chaang-Noi: also if they get 20% on average for a eyar that is much higher
ThickAsThieves: they really should give info about what the hold up is
[\\\]: what happens when the sec decides to start investigating us holders?
Chaang-Noi: and bfl fucks up hard and they get 40%....
mircea_popescu: they won't get 20% for a year tho, that's excessive.
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi, now you're just being stupid
Chaang-Noi: sec goes to china lol?? wtf
mircea_popescu: at these prices market will be awash in real asics this year
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi, the sec doesn't have to go to china
Chaang-Noi: im in thailand i dont give a shit...
Chaang-Noi: they cant get my wallet i dont care
[\\\]: ah right, because you're untouchable
Chaang-Noi: friedcat has my shares
[\\\]: is that why you were pissing your pants about your passthrough?
BitHub: yay for not being USA resident
Chaang-Noi: the sec is not realisticly going to fly to china or thailand or hack my wallet...
BitHub: you know they got cia agents there?
Chaang-Noi: sec might take down a glbse like exchange that asicminer is not involved with...
Chaang-Noi: cia right now is not after btc... mostly drugs
[\\\]: oh yeah?
[\\\]: you're an expert on the cia now?
ThickAsThieves: ...
BitHub: i was in a country similar to thailand
BitHub: hotel blew up
Chaang-Noi: the agents here in thailand that i know are mostly involved in the drug trafficing stuff in the north
ThickAsThieves: cia, sec no one knows shit about what will happen in those regards
ThickAsThieves: btc is not a US thing
BitHub: some cia agents came and got the bodies
BitHub: the mayor was pissed
Chaang-Noi: the sec cant do shit in thail;and or china.. thinking they can is silly
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0;all
mircea_popescu: jesus the retard parade
[\\\]: lol
[\\\]: its not even a new concept
mircea_popescu: it's not even a concept really.
[\\\]: (jesus, retards, parades)
mircea_popescu: o o
mircea_popescu: lol
[\\\]: ;;seen usagi
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 39 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <usagi> You won't hold the bitcoins, they will. They'll just tell you how many bitcoins you "own".
mircea_popescu: that came out nice
ThickAsThieves: no diff than the otc wot, no?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg1583670#msg1583670
ThickAsThieves: gain trust, spend it on an adequate payout
mircea_popescu: help me -assets. is he saying that like it's a bad thing ?
ThickAsThieves: he's saying they're after you
[\\\]: I can't be bothered to figure it out
ThickAsThieves: and will get you as soon as they can find you
[\\\]: its not like what he meant changes anything
[\\\]: I don't bother reading that particular forum much anymore
mircea_popescu: [\\\] i get the selected bits.
[\\\]: I'm not sexing someone to watch it for me ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: help me -assets. is he saying that like it's a bad thing ?
[\\\]: lol ThickAsThieves
[\\\]: 50 btc
ThickAsThieves: :)
[\\\]: its like that 100 btc roulette from back in the day
[\\\]: everyone passed around 100 btc as if it meant something
[\\\]: then again, it was only worth about $200 at the time
ThickAsThieves: I wonder if I got the Op's heart racing
[\\\]: probably not his heart..
ThickAsThieves: hehe
[\\\]: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.87000, Best ask: 37.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 37.99000, 24 hour volume: 53627.32358050, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 37.99000, 24 hour vwap: 35.91832
[\\\]: oh nice
mircea_popescu: terry gilliam renounced his u.s. citizenship
[\\\]: almost $38
[\\\]: wtf is terry gilliam
mircea_popescu: pretty soon there's not going to be any us citizens left.
Chaang-Noi: no wall until 40, and that is only 2k btc
mircea_popescu: [\\\] possibly the only american filmmaker worth the notice ?
[\\\]: he renounced his citizenship in 2006
[\\\]: way to be 6 years late
[\\\]: are you reading your news on the wayback machine?
ThickAsThieves: where would be a good place for an american to leave for?
mircea_popescu: [\\\] twitter.
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: I heard North Korea is nice this time of year.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves romania.
[\\\]: TPB is going to base themselves out of NK
ThickAsThieves: they like americans?
[\\\]: If you play basketball
ThickAsThieves: i havent been out of the country in a while
ThickAsThieves: i imagine everyone hates us
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not particularly.
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: got any kids?
ThickAsThieves: not yet
ThickAsThieves: soon
[\\\]: you'd be pretty popular in italy soon ;)
[\\\]: well, not you
[\\\]: but the kids
[\\\]: serving the church
mircea_popescu: lol wut?
mircea_popescu: lmao
ThickAsThieves: we have catholic chuches here too
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar05 06:46:59 mtgox x8 47.4170 @ 38.08999282 USD
[\\\]: ;;market asks 40
gribble: There are currently 6343.2892 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 250361.11051 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, have they got a new pope yet ?
[\\\]: haven't started yet
[\\\]: not before next week
[\\\]: but most likely before the end of the month
BitHub: is there a bitcoin bet for it?
[\\\]: they want a new one for the sunday before easter sunday
[\\\]: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/429649_560954803925535_1871233442_n.jpg
[\\\]: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.00000, Best ask: 39.01100, Bid-ask spread: 0.01100, Last trade: 39.00000, 24 hour volume: 55901.80471473, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.00000, 24 hour vwap: 36.01882
[\\\]: woo
Chaang-Noi: i wanta new pope:)
[\\\]: 39
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's a bet for it
mircea_popescu: howly. shit
Chaang-Noi: yeas holy shit
Chaang-Noi: fuck me running
BitHub: there needs to be
BitHub: for teh lulz
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: no wonder you want a new pope
[\\\]: I didn't realize you were kinky like that
[\\\]: I'm sure they're into that.
Chaang-Noi: im open minded
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 16268.94 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 722719.888071 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.5782 seconds
mircea_popescu: open kneed matters mroe than open minded
pizzaman1337: ;;asks 40
gribble: There are currently 4749.7778 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 188971.229954 USD in total. | Data vintage: 55.8562 seconds
Bowjob: exciting times
Bowjob: Jesus
[\\\]: <Chaang-Noi> fuck me running << that sounds a bit more than open minded
Chaang-Noi: not in thailand...
Chaang-Noi: you should see some of the shows for tourists
BitHub: mmm thai girls
BitHub: getting harder to pick them these days
[\\\]: BitHub: are you sure its a girl?
BitHub: haha
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi they fuck running ?
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: they have to.. cia and all
mircea_popescu: lol
Chaang-Noi: mp they will do what every you want them to do
mircea_popescu: "Vatican dismisses reports linking pope's resignation to gay conclave discovery"
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi that's not remarkable is it ?
[\\\]: of course they did
Chaang-Noi: thai girls are submissive by nature
Chaang-Noi: the feminist bs did not happen here yet...
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.99000, Best ask: 39.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 38.99000, 24 hour volume: 59388.87350464, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.20000, 24 hour vwap: 36.19533
Bowjob: Eh, $39.
Bowjob: Its cheap
pizzaman1337: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.833684 seconds
[\\\]: meanwhile the rates on bitfinex usd keep going up
[\\\]: are there bets on how long bitfinex goes before a default?
mircea_popescu: "Canon law states that a resignation must be made freely and properly manifested and that the pope resigning must be of sound mind."
mircea_popescu: kickass. insane pope may not resign.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] not afaik
mircea_popescu: may be a good bet to hedge
[\\\]: insane pope would probably find the wrong side of a pillow
[\\\]: according to Luke-Jr, there is no pope
[\\\]: there has been no pope for quite some time
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: lol, interesting observation
[\\\]: g'night folks
Chaang-Noi: night
Chaang-Noi: yeah that is the first thing i saw too, crazy pope cant quit...
Chaang-Noi: but then again, i guess a pope cant really be crazy or if so gods will?
Luke-Jr: it makes sense in a way, but at the same time creates practical problems
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: id geuss if the pope was crazy crazy he would just be locked in his room and they would say he is sick
Chaang-Noi: why is 39 to 40 so much slow than 38 to 39 :(
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.90000, Best ask: 38.91000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 38.91000, 24 hour volume: 61314.60667593, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.31836
Bowjob: Oh no..
Bowjob: We're crashing!!
Chaang-Noi: ;bids 38
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids 38
gribble: There are currently 1824.2403 bitcoins demanded at or over 38.0 USD, worth 70529.8432092 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0079 seconds
Chaang-Noi: wow that was fast depth
Chaang-Noi: almost 30 euro
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids 37]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids 37
gribble: There are currently 7610.7434 bitcoins demanded at or over 37.0 USD, worth 285610.913583 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0067 seconds
Chaang-Noi: almost $300,000 came in since 27...
Chaang-Noi: that is just crazy, i wonder once sellers run out of coins if we dont go to $100 in a week...
Bowjob: umm guys. I wanna get rich as much as the next person but.. isn't this a little to fast?
BitHub: yeah
BitHub: maybe its making up for that mtgox hack
Bowjob: eh..
aiball: no, this is people finally realizing the dollar is over.
Bowjob: Idk. it doesnt feel to real to me
Bowjob: and i hope u guys are right but..
Bowjob: this feels wierd
Bowjob: I wrote a bullshit bull chart
aiball: draper is a big name
Bowjob: i say bullshit because.. it wasn't bullish enough and i was just joking
Bowjob: damn
mircea_popescu: lol
Bowjob: http://i45.tinypic.com/2uz8ao3.png
Bowjob: this.
Bowjob: like really
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: I'll just sit this rocket out, hopefully I don't fall
aiball: its going inverted
Bowjob: ;;ticker
aiball: next up boeing accepts bitcoin
mircea_popescu: srsly over 39 ?!
mircea_popescu: 40 can't hold.
mircea_popescu: we're 50.
Bowjob: yawn
mircea_popescu: it jumped 1.25 a tick
Bowjob: wake me up when bitcoins are at least 5 grand each, then I'll be interested
Bowjob: and a millionaire too
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm worth over 1 bn lei, which is remarkably enough not the first time
Bowjob: damn
Bowjob: heh
mircea_popescu: it sounds better than it is tho. romania cut 4 zeroes in like 2004
mircea_popescu: pretty much every third guy was a billionaire before that.
BitHub: how much is that in us?
pizzaman1337: 298846000.00
pizzaman1337: that's a big number
mircea_popescu: currently it's like 0.3 ish leis to the dollar
BitHub: jesus are you serious?
mircea_popescu: vice versa
mircea_popescu: sorry
mircea_popescu: bout 100ish leis to the bitcoin
BitHub: far out
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.80000, Best ask: 38.81100, Bid-ask spread: 0.01100, Last trade: 38.80000, 24 hour volume: 62576.26296810, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.37897
Chaang-Noi: lei?
Chaang-Noi: romonian money?
mircea_popescu: yea
Bowjob: k guys we are crashing
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.80000, Best ask: 38.83266, Bid-ask spread: 0.03266, Last trade: 38.81100, 24 hour volume: 62580.46590463, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.37914
Bowjob: see. its not 40
Bowjob: see you at single digits!
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: do you do philanthropic stuff with your wealth?
mircea_popescu: occasionally.
BitHub: he goes boat rowing
Bowjob: his PR gave this dude 10 BTC to stick a sharpie up his ass
BitHub: with teh girls
Chaang-Noi: 81 million usd is not bad
mircea_popescu: lol
Bowjob: thats philantrophic
mircea_popescu: hey, i paid for otc/gpg lessons
mircea_popescu: and for like, story writing
Bowjob: that too
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: and i forget. variosu things
BitHub: are you in a big mansion?
mircea_popescu: but principally helping poor tall girls through college
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: lemme see where was it
BitHub: 81 million
Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> but principally helping poor tall girls through college yeah... i know that...
BitHub: jesus!!!!!
Chaang-Noi: lucky for me uni is cheap in thailand
kakobreklaaa: so
kakobreklaaa: sup
Bowjob: but degrees from other countries are worth shit here in canada
Bowjob: maybe from US and UK... the rest are pretty much worthless here
Bowjob: we have doctors who drive cabs
BitHub: lul
Chaang-Noi: 2 million btc = 81 million, you dont ahve 2 million btc do you? :)
Chaang-Noi: much of this wealth must be on paper and in things that if sold out to cash would crash the market
Chaang-Noi: still not bad and congrats
BitHub: yeah man that's insane :) well done.
BitHub: i would be happy with just 1 million
BitHub: but 81? god dayam
mircea_popescu: wha ?
Chaang-Noi: im well over 1 million baht :)
BitHub: yeah i got about a 1 million pesos as well :P
Bowjob: im well over 1 million cents
Bowjob: also in yen and pesos
Bowjob: lol
Chaang-Noi: but i live in thailand lol
BitHub: is 1 million baht alot?
ThickAsThieves: CoinLab Current Price: $38.91 24m ago
mircea_popescu: o hey BitHub this one's for you http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-vizuala-xii/
BitHub: where's teh gap?
BitHub: hehe she got some meat on her mate
BitHub: nice wide curves tho
BitHub: gusto
mircea_popescu: anyway, i had some pix with m,y "mansion" but now can't motherfuckin find em
BitHub: oh?
Chaang-Noi: 6000 baht is the average wage here so 1,000,000 baht is about 14 years of average work
BitHub: ahh okey chang
BitHub: what's the bitcoin market like there?
Chaang-Noi: so yeah its okay but no, its not bill gates rich either
BitHub: many people into it?
Chaang-Noi: there are a lot of expats who do computer work
Chaang-Noi: thailand is shokcingly active
Chaang-Noi: also russians here...
BitHub: tourist as well
Chaang-Noi: i think there are three small btc exchagnes in thailand
BitHub: oh nice stuff
BitHub: i'll be in philippines next year
Chaang-Noi: from time to time a fourum user will call me up and be like shit, ran out of money, will you take btc...
Chaang-Noi: they are mostly drunk tourists
Bowjob: bithub what are u doing there
Chaang-Noi: going to get bowjobs...
BitHub: i'll tell you once i'm there
mircea_popescu: aha, found it. http://trilema.com/2011/mutatis-mutandis/
BitHub: good to know there's some bitcoin action in Thailand :)
BitHub: i'm in Australia myself at the moment
Bowjob: i hear they decapitate tourists in the philippines. watch out
BitHub: ya they're do
BitHub: they
BitHub: especially in mindanao
Chaang-Noi: mp what did you do for the school girls? :)
Chaang-Noi: btc is 40 at "rock" waht exchagne is "rock" ?
mircea_popescu: nothing
mircea_popescu: you get that shit in the mailbox over here
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar05 07:52:53 rock 46.9000 @ 40.00 USD
BitHub: i think mircea makes pornos
mircea_popescu: therock ?
Chaang-Noi: is it an exchagne i dont know of?
mircea_popescu: i think it;s the exchange noone knows of.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.92087, Best ask: 38.94809, Bid-ask spread: 0.02722, Last trade: 38.92087, 24 hour volume: 63162.27334246, 24 hour low: 34.41000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.41416
BitHub: what lanuage is that on your site mircea?
BitHub: romanian?
mircea_popescu: romanian
BitHub: ahh k
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 39
gribble: There are currently 107.26203 bitcoins offered at or under 39.0 USD, worth 4182.97936833 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0009 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ltc .147 crazy
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.msg1584465#msg1584465
mircea_popescu: the plot thinnens.
BitHub: is it worth getting into ltc?
BitHub: been thinking about it
Chaang-Noi: altbot> Mar05 07:52:08 btc-e x4 2546.4950 @ 0.147000 USD
ThickAsThieves: kako actually went there?
Bowjob: damn LTC
Bowjob: perhaps I was wrong
Bowjob: I should get back at LTC.. maybe
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes.
Bowjob: fuck me. I sold 10k LTC for like 5 cents each
Chaang-Noi: ltc just went to 15.5
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: fuck ME. I didn't sell my LTC
ThickAsThieves: :)
Chaang-Noi: altbot> Mar05 07:57:02 btc-e 100.0000 @ 0.155000 USD
mircea_popescu: lol
Bowjob: aight, i'll ride the LTC train again. choochoo
Chaang-Noi: yeah ltc was way undervalued, but i did not think it would pop until btc started to go down
ThickAsThieves: https://www.ozcoin.net/content/user-top-20
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem with that stuff is that if i want to i can bunch up some gpu miners
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: and name them bitfountain
Bowjob: Choochoo
Chaang-Noi: bitfountian is asicminer?
Chaang-Noi: or avalon?
mircea_popescu: asicminer
Bowjob: asicminer
Bowjob: gah my Avalon 2 looks outdated
Bowjob: lol
Chaang-Noi: i assume that first annon must be asicminer as well
Chaang-Noi: i bet these are racks that are ready to go and fully done
Chaang-Noi: the big anon is just testing...
mircea_popescu: tgheory is the anon guy is primeasic
Chaang-Noi: still only 3.5 TH hmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00073421 = 0.5139 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: trollcointalk.org down for you guys?
Chaang-Noi: did not asicminer mine on some other pool than oz??
mircea_popescu: btcguild
Chaang-Noi: hmm ill see waht they ahve there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0051 = 2.04 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: oh shit they ahve 3.8 there too
Chaang-Noi: so maybe 7.2 th/s nice
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 39
gribble: There are currently 511.39728 bitcoins offered at or under 39.0 USD, worth 19944.4939902 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34499 = 0.69 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.03475, Best ask: 39.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01525, Last trade: 39.05000, 24 hour volume: 75308.05560655, 24 hour low: 34.76100, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 37.27642
TradeFortress: yup, crazy
Bowjob: dont forget u guys can get 5 btc for 100 dollars
jurov: Bowjob where?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.00577 = 2.4234 BTC [+]
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149244.0
TradeFortress: pretty sure that there's no more btc sent
TradeFortress: "
TradeFortress: !!! BUT !!!
TradeFortress: when this limit (overall 250 btc) is reached i will have to stop. SO IF YOU WANT TO DONATE ONLY IF YOU ARE GETTING BTC IN RETURN PLEASE, PLEASE wait some time until i go through all the donations made already an state how much btc i've got left to give away (if any)**"
Bowjob: 100 btc left
TradeFortress: oh cool he's still onlne
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.65 = 3.3 BTC [+]
TradeFortress: Bowjob, looks like a huge queue
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.04000, Best ask: 39.26886, Bid-ask spread: 0.22886, Last trade: 39.26886, 24 hour volume: 76899.63793808, 24 hour low: 34.77000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 37.33416
Bowjob: well the worst that can happen is you donate to a good cause
Bowjob: i donated to khanacademy, will write a letter
Bowjob: that would help btc a lot
Bowjob: TF
Bowjob: make sure you send him an unaltered PM
Bowjob: with your reciept
Bowjob: dont block anything
TradeFortress: Bowjob, yeah, it's not like I wasted $100 :)
Bowjob: http://lurkerfaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/64857965/
Bowjob: I tried to gave away 1 bitcoin.. but i just go snubbed
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: *got
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1120 @ 0.0050999 = 5.7119 BTC [-]
TradeFortress: someone still dumping s.dice :P
bit14: someone could always donate more btc to the guy so he has more to give away :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5065 @ 0.00073421 = 3.7188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3429 @ 0.00073821 = 2.5313 BTC [+]
bit14: quick count, 48 bitcointip tips in that thread, they're not all for 5 btc but most of them are, so it's close to 250 max
Bowjob: I got in at least
TradeFortress: bit14, don't forget PM
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/primeasic-most-likely-a-scam/
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, was that a surprise?
Bowjob: scam eh
Bowjob: lookit. i wanted to go to hungary too lol
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress well, checking things out beats guessing you know
TradeFortress: sounded fishy from the first post
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: so did everyone else, including asicminer, avalon, etc.
thestringpuller: shouldn't you be paying off debts before btc hits 100
thestringpuller: apparently your shareholders havent been fully paid
thestringpuller: :D
thestringpuller: hoorah
Chaang-Noi: brendio is awol?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5851 = 1.1702 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 384135.5818 USD and would take the last price down to 37.2500 USD, resulting in an average price of 38.4136 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2863474.6369 USD and would take the last price down to 16.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.6347 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 11.8681 seconds
Chaang-Noi: usagi really?
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4128657.4952 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.1287 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 21.4781 seconds
Chaang-Noi: usagi pirate bond?
Chaang-Noi: you dont think pirate will pay bak?
Chaang-Noi: oh
Chaang-Noi: mining bond
Chaang-Noi: what did nefario say?
thestringpuller: oh goodness the bubble at 42 will collapse significantly when a large horde goes to dump coins
thestringpuller: miners have mercy
Chaang-Noi: we hit 42?
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 87145.55081638, 24 hour low: 35.12102, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.30823
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 87145.55081638, 24 hour low: 35.12102, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.30823
mircea_popescu: o, not 50 yet ? okay.
Chaang-Noi: usagi he sold you them, talk to him, what can i do?
thestringpuller: 50 is too high to sustain
kakobrekla: ok its me.
kakobrekla: which loads in the same minute.
Chaang-Noi: usagi i know he stole shares...
mjr__: do you guys think the dow is correlated at all to bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: so visa just signed huge chase deal
Chaang-Noi: usagi i dont doubt you, but legally what can i do?
mircea_popescu: more traction than all bitcoin's historical cummulative.
Chaang-Noi: if i pay you my suit is void
ThickAsThieves: goog at 835
kakobrekla: boob at a boob
ThickAsThieves: mp, can you proces deadterra's withdrawal so we can get our divs?
mircea_popescu: yep
ThickAsThieves: thank you sir
ZedsterX: ;;bcauth
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: hey d3 surprize 40$
Chaang-Noi: lol
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: huh?
Chaang-Noi: hi
Diablo-D3: hi
ThickAsThieves: mp, deadterra is trying to talk to you i think
ThickAsThieves: says he's on ignore?
ThickAsThieves: he says sorry it was his fault he forgot to make the withdrawal
Chaang-Noi: mp lol are we 5? :)
Chaang-Noi: dead t is a solid guy
mircea_popescu: he got on my ignore months ago for being the fuck out of line. then ppl intervened cause oh, he's a good guy etc, he did it again within like... a day.
mircea_popescu: he can be all solid he wants, but much like gigavps he got to get it in his skull that the hierarchy is on the ground not in his imagination.
Chaang-Noi: yeah what did he do?
mircea_popescu: iirc arguing with me about how solid & trustworthy nefario is.
Chaang-Noi: ill say there is no proof pirate is a ponzi :)
Chaang-Noi: im shocked im not on mps ignore...
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00101, Best ask: 40.07000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06899, Last trade: 40.07000, 24 hour volume: 89799.91641713, 24 hour low: 35.20000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.39301
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you're too cowardly to actually make it.
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra don't blow it.
DeaDTerra: did MP indirectly say I have balls?
DeaDTerra: Yay I guess :p
Chaang-Noi: and he said im a pussy lol
DeaDTerra: hahah xD
Chaang-Noi: he is still trying for my business i guess poor fail mp
DeaDTerra: I guess you can't have balls and not be ignored at the same time, you have to chose :P
Chaang-Noi: i guess he knew from the start i thought mp was fail so never was shocked when i rejected his fail
DeaDTerra: lol
Chaang-Noi: mp.. what a sad clown...
mod6: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00072612 / 0.00075028 / 0.00078628 (2480324 shares, 1,860.96 BTC), 7D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075192 / 0.00078628 (3500340 shares, 2,631.98 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067771 / 0.00078628 (61872804 shares, 41,932.14 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: in b 4 mod6 is mp
ThickAsThieves: ;asks 45
DeaDTerra: withdraw on it's way :D
DeaDTerra: dividends will come in about 12 confirms
ThickAsThieves: cool
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 45
gribble: There are currently 11532.914 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 482883.431677 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds
DeaDTerra: thanks mp <3
Chaang-Noi: :)
B0g4r7_: What's up with bitinstant? Anyone got the inside word?
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7_ what's the issue tho ?
JimRogers: Why is the sendto address on my wager wrong?
Chaang-Noi: i do find it odd bitinstant is down...
B0g4r7_: That's what I'm trying to find out. They've been down for days now.
B0g4r7_: "BitInstant.com is currently down due to site revisions." "We apologize for the downtime. BitInstant will be back online after the weekend."
B0g4r7_: I think this calls for a bet on whether they will resurface.
B0g4r7_: ...that someone else will write and post
Chaang-Noi: hmm
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7_ i had no idea
B0g4r7_: ppl on btc-e are not happy.
mircea_popescu: JimRogers which wager is that ?
B0g4r7_: not being able to get funds in.
JimRogers: http://bitbet.us/bet/283/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-hit-50-in-march/
JimRogers: 05-03-13 08:30 Yes 97`003 1.00000000 16fUs / 13rnD
JimRogers: not the "Send To" address i put
JimRogers: but the exact amount bet
JimRogers: and the timing is right
JimRogers: so what the fuck?
JimRogers: i've placed multiple bets successfully
mircea_popescu: JimRogers now that's a good question. do you have autocomplete or anything else on the browser side messing up your bets ?
JimRogers: this one seemed to have gotten fucked up
JimRogers: nope
B0g4r7_: That would suck.
mircea_popescu: a guy earlier had his browser autopick no whether he clicked yes or no
JimRogers: i have placed 9 wagers successfully
mircea_popescu: is the address wrong as in, not the one you intended to use or wrong as in, never seen it before ?
JimRogers: wrong, as in, no the "Send To" address i have used numerous times
JimRogers: and intended for this wager
JimRogers: and pasted into the box
JimRogers: are my coins gone?
mircea_popescu: likely ;/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla's looking into it tho
Chaang-Noi: mp are you conected to that site in anyway other than a user?
mircea_popescu: "that site" ? bitbet you mean ?
Chaang-Noi: yup
mircea_popescu: Owner : Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar and Mircea "mircea_popescu" Popescu
mircea_popescu: says so right on teh asset page http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
Chaang-Noi: i dont use mpex
Chaang-Noi: and no longer bitbet lol
JimRogers: has anyone else had their bits go to a random Send To address
JimRogers: I demand my money back
mircea_popescu: JimRogers it's totally a new one.
Chaang-Noi: i doubt mp scammed you, fucked up mabe...
JimRogers: thats not the address i entered into the Send To
JimRogers: write I'm done wit this fucking website scam
JimRogers: stealing my bitcoin
JimRogers: gay ass coding
JimRogers: unreliable
JimRogers: other ppl having same problem?
kakobrekla: you are the only one.
B0g4r7_: I only started using bitbet yesterday.
B0g4r7_: I guess I could check the send-to address if I were in front of that wallet.
B0g4r7_: But I'm not.
mircea_popescu: what he quit ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people ;/
B0g4r7_: emoquit
mircea_popescu: incidentally! the address he paid his 1 btc to is 16fUs2yD4xLyxYy6863SMX3PP8Lw1xvZog
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/16fUs2yD4xLyxYy6863SMX3PP8Lw1xvZog that's the tx
mircea_popescu: he paid from 1M1Ugbk2P2L3ekZPESywAyfF5aeZ3wNi5d
mircea_popescu: if you look at taint analysis on that https://blockchain.info/taint/1M1Ugbk2P2L3ekZPESywAyfF5aeZ3wNi5d
JimRogers: huh?
JimRogers: should i send some coin to the address and see if i get it?
mircea_popescu: the address the payout goes to (13rnDnrH8zBAkNpxXFEyphj3EFcvDKd9Ws) is there : 18.5851316787%
mircea_popescu: well, there's relation between the two addresses, it didn't pop out of randomness
mircea_popescu: maybe it's yours ?
JimRogers: i don't understand the taint analysis
JimRogers: what can i do to see if those funds will end up in one of my accounts
mircea_popescu: it looks through the blockchain to see if two addresses are related.
mircea_popescu: send a 0.001 btc or w/e small dust to it see ?
mircea_popescu: it's somewhat improbable the two addies got 8 txs in between themselves and yet they're totally unrelated.
JimRogers: i don't understand the second sentence
JimRogers: which two addresses
JimRogers: 13rnDnrH8zBAkNpxXFEyphj3EFcvDKd9Ws
mircea_popescu: the address you paid from, and the address that's listed as beneficiary
JimRogers: is the one the gay ass website says "send to"
mircea_popescu: are not strangers.
JimRogers: i sent it from sealswithclubs
JimRogers: the send to is gonna fuck me huh?
mircea_popescu: so you don't control the sending address ?
mircea_popescu: bah how is one ot talk with people that keep leaving.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1326 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: he is parting and joining
mircea_popescu: so you don't control the sending address ? <<
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13717 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: JimRogers: well, the only thing i can really say is you pasted an address (which you also say you did), bitbet did no further processing as in establishing the return address. what you pasted is in the db. whats in the db is on the site. but i can do one thing - add your payout destination notification at the last step if that would help to prevent any mistakes in the future.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 18 @ 0.1372 = 2.4696 BTC [+]
JimRogers: i am not trying to leave
mircea_popescu: kay.
JimRogers: i sent a micropayment to that address
JimRogers: hopefully it ends up in one of my accounts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [+]
JimRogers: this fucking website is lacking serious functionality
mircea_popescu: what functionality would that be ?
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/1d65ace8daa117bcd97fe7bff9672e8e5c174aba8ab7d0217694f3cf55c4afea .001337
mircea_popescu: does it show in your wallet ?
B0g4r7_: Maybe you clicked on "send to originating address" accidentally and then clicked SUBMIT.
kakobrekla: nope
mircea_popescu: nah cause it's not listed as the orig addy.
B0g4r7_: mmm
B0g4r7_: It would be nice if the "Send bitcoins to fund the bet" screen showed the chosen payout address.
JimRogers: this fucking website needs account history
JimRogers: or something
JimRogers: to track bets
kakobrekla: use your bitcoin addy
JimRogers: this website just ate my bitcoin
JimRogers: i put the correct "Send To" address in
JimRogers: and then sent a bitcoin to the supplied addy
JimRogers: your website registered the bet, but put a different send to
JimRogers: thats functionality that sucks
mircea_popescu: JimRogers the problem here is this : you state what you did, but we have no way of knowing it's true or false
JimRogers: i get that
kakobrekla: 17:47.17 ( kakobrekla ) JimRogers: well, the only thing i can really say is you pasted an address (which you also say you did), bitbet did no further processing as in establishing the return address. what you posted is in the db. whats in the db is on the site. but i can do one thing - add your payout destination notification at the last step if that would help to prevent any mistakes
kakobrekla: in the future.
mircea_popescu: the two addresses are related, and you just declared you don't control the originating address
mircea_popescu: this is very difficult to resolve because it's basically no leads
JimRogers: gay
JimRogers: gay
JimRogers: gay
JimRogers: your website put the wrong send to
JimRogers: why would i put that addy
B0g4r7_: spaz
mircea_popescu: lol totally.
Namworld: How much was the bet for?
mircea_popescu: 1
Namworld: Why don't people check their inputs before submitting?
JimRogers: why does it keep kicking me
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
B0g4r7_: It's not us, it's you.
mircea_popescu: most likely.
B0g4r7_: Says you've left the channel.
mircea_popescu: JimRogers : run a virus scanner ?
mircea_popescu: you might have a trojan or something.
B0g4r7_: Stop closing the window or whatever you're doing.
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: was the bitcoin address i sent the money to
JimRogers: only i would have access to that
JimRogers: right?
JimRogers: so give me my coins back
JimRogers: or set the send to to the right addy
B0g4r7_: Are you sure someone doesn't have remote control of your PC?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: idk why your client would randomly leave the channel.
mircea_popescu: JimRogers srsly, run a scanner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 149 @ 0.00528554 = 0.7875 BTC [+]
JimRogers: well heres a new wrinkly
JimRogers: it seems the addy 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: never received it
mircea_popescu: received what ?!
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: was the addy bit bet supplied as the bet destination address
JimRogers: seals with clubs sent 1 bitcoin to 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: the block chain doesn't recognize the transfer
B0g4r7_: So maybe you're seeing a bet that's not yours, and yours still is not confirmed?
mircea_popescu: uhm
JimRogers: thats possible
mircea_popescu: well then ?!
JimRogers: seals claims to have sent last night
B0g4r7_: It took a while for my bets to confirm.
B0g4r7_: (sent from local wallet)
kakobrekla: this is just ridonculus.
B0g4r7_: Take it up w/ Seals. If it's not in the blockchain, they didn't send.
kakobrekla: Seals with Scams
B0g4r7_: In the future, I advise always sending from a local wallet.
kakobrekla: im sorry im just sleep deprived.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1851 @ 0.00528554 = 9.7835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 649 @ 0.0055 = 3.5695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.59 = 7.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5817 = 2.9085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.5815 = 4.0705 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Showing the payout address on the bet confirmation/funding screen would be nice to have.
B0g4r7_: Would help avoid mistakes.
kakobrekla: ill add that.
B0g4r7_: thx.
kakobrekla: not that many mistakes were made
kakobrekla: maybe in total 1?
JimRogers: i didn't make a mistake
B0g4r7_: That's good. If that can be reduced to 0.1, even better.
JimRogers: i have records of everything i have done
JimRogers: either your guys system fucked up
kakobrekla: with over 2k bets placed - yeah its preety good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5815 = 5.2335 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Your mistake was in thinking the listed bet was yours.
JimRogers: or seals is claiming a cash out happened that never happened, coincidentally at the same timing and same amount as what i sent
B0g4r7_: 1.0 BTC is not exactly a unique bet amount.
mod6: ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5809 BTC [-]
JimRogers: good point
kakobrekla: JimRogers if its not in a blockchain on the correct address
kakobrekla: what do you expect bitbet to do
kakobrekla: guess?
JimRogers: bit bet aint doing shit
JimRogers: i get it
JimRogers: i get how this bitcoin world work
JimRogers: works
JimRogers: dog eat dog
kakobrekla: also, if addy is not used in 24hrs is not active anymore
kakobrekla: i might remove that now
kakobrekla: since the last bitcoind upgrade
JimRogers: wait
JimRogers: wait wait
JimRogers: so you can confirm that 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: was a bitbet addy
kakobrekla: yes, requested as a bet on betid 283
JimRogers: right
JimRogers: that's me
kakobrekla: sure
JimRogers: and seals claims to have sent it to that addy
kakobrekla: that address is empty
JimRogers: i guess they lie?
mod6: yeah, 0 tx's for that address
JimRogers: 2013-03-04 23:31 1 BTC 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
Namworld: Nothing was ever sent to http://blockchain.info/address/1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: directly from seals backend
JimRogers: yea i get you
JimRogers: thanks for the help
JimRogers: i emailed seals
JimRogers: and if i lose the money i won't fault you guys
JimRogers: but the site could still use much more functionality
JimRogers: and perhaps binary options, instead of this weird time weighting bullshit
JimRogers: keep getting kicked out
B0g4r7_: Srsly, consider a local wallet. You should be using one anyway.
JimRogers: thats also a good suggestion
JimRogers: i won't do it this way again
B0g4r7_: Colloquy on OS X huh. I use that at home and don't have that issue. I run version 2.3 tho, which I think is a lot different.
kakobrekla: i moved the 24hrs limit to 3 days now
kakobrekla: so you have 3 days to send the bet in since the time you requested an address
kakobrekla: once first bet is in - addy is kept active until the bet is over
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 82 @ 0.1372 = 11.2504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1379 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so you can use the same one
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: and it will use same settings
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: just weight will be different
kakobrekla: mkay?
B0g4r7_: Hm, that's handy.
kakobrekla: its how it works.
B0g4r7_: What happens if I bet .01 BTC, and then days later, after betting is closed, I send another 5 BTC?
kakobrekla: you made a 5 btc mistake.
blu3gr1ffon: you tipped kakobrekla
B0g4r7_: :nom nom nom:
kakobrekla: well you tipped mircea
kakobrekla: but i will scan the blockchain to findout how much he is getting and take half.
kakobrekla: muahaha
jurov: lol... at least it should be added to dividends, like mpex mispayments
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: prolly
kakobrekla: would be the smart thing to do
B0g4r7_: Earlier I made a whole new "bet", when I could have just sent more to the same address.
kakobrekla: yes
kakobrekla: what a waste of time and resources
mircea_popescu: totally
mircea_popescu: and his conclusion, he generously won't blame us guys
mircea_popescu: but the site could still use much more functionality
mircea_popescu: i get it.
mircea_popescu: totally posting this one, too.
jurov: so i can add to a bet for someone else, causing confusion and else >:D
mircea_popescu: jurov you cause confusion mostly for yourself, bitbet will just pay him
JimRogers: ok hopefully sealswithclubs can help me understand what happened to my coin
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 91 @ 0.1647 = 14.9877 BTC [+]
JimRogers: do they have an IRC room with helpful ppl ilk eyou guys?
mircea_popescu: JimRogers not afaik, bitbet is one of the few gay sites that do
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 9 @ 0.1647 = 1.4823 BTC [+]
B0g4r7_: You'll have to PM Micon, or use their "contact" email.
pigeons: you outed bitbet
ZedsterX: i didn't know bitbet was gay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6499 BTC [-]
pigeons: all the good bitcoin sites are apparently
ZedsterX: am i missing the pr0n?
mircea_popescu: mpex is straight as a falopian tube
JimRogers: GAY PORN HARD
B0g4r7_: If you look, you'll see that most of the bets are more pink than blue. Definitely gay.
ZedsterX: aight
pigeons: lavender
ZedsterX: don't know how i missed it before
ZedsterX: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.04000, Best ask: 40.05995, Bid-ask spread: 0.01995, Last trade: 40.04000, 24 hour volume: 85295.59320849, 24 hour low: 35.99900, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.66891
JimRogers: the whole weighting system is retarded
JimRogers: if you guys did binary futures
JimRogers: you could buy/sell bets
JimRogers: but instead your dumb
ZedsterX: don't talk about mp's weighting
JimRogers: which time zone are the time stamps on the website?
jurov: UTC
jurov: and I'm sure someone will someday start betting site with binary futures
mod6: if it was binary would it just be like 50`000 per side?
JimRogers: I'm trying to
jurov: kakobrekla, bit it isn't a bad ide to make the bets resellable
JimRogers: u fags need to pay me
JimRogers: give me the money back someone stole
mod6: stfu
jurov: if you submit request with payout addy signature, you can chenge it
jurov: thus effectively selling the bet
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov ?
jurov: just my proposal
B0g4r7_: Seems like an interesting idea.
mod6: wait, isn't the weighting just a time based thing -- so if you want to "sell your bet" to a third party, it still doesn't change the time when the wager was placed.
JimRogers: thats why this website is fucking gay
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't understand it tho. explain it to me like i'm JimRogers
JimRogers: needs to do binary
JimRogers: to hace liquidity
JimRogers: 0-100
B0g4r7_: idk how you'd implement it tho.
JimRogers: buy-sell whatever reality dictates
mod6: JimRogers: bowties are gay.
JimRogers: you can start by finding my money that was stolen
mircea_popescu: JimRogers are you the guy discussed in this article : http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/ ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074914 = 6.3677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00074999 = 1.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00074999 = 4.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 604 @ 0.00075 = 0.453 BTC [+]
JimRogers: nope not me
mircea_popescu: right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu say you made bet with 99999 weight but you want the moeny now not wait
mircea_popescu: well, the reasons bitbet does betting correctly, rather than what you propose, are discussed there.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes
JimRogers: not even reading all that bullshit as its too long
JimRogers: and written retardely
mircea_popescu: i see.
mod6: lol
JimRogers: I'm not proposing changing ur ways
jurov: so you find someone who wants it, you'll sign the request with existing payout address
JimRogers: im saying
JimRogers: ur ways are retarded
JimRogers: Binary Futures are thousands of years old
jurov: and submit it to bitbet with new payout address
mod6: you want him to change it, and you won't bother to read on how it works. clever.
jurov: so the bet will now pay to the buyer
JimRogers: i understand how it works
JimRogers: i use the system
JimRogers: have multiple bets in
mircea_popescu: jurov hmmm
JimRogers: one of which is fucked up
JimRogers: binary options would be better
JimRogers: simple suggestion
JimRogers: eat a dick
JimRogers: also
mircea_popescu: you know this is not in any way a bad idea.
JimRogers: im right
JimRogers: u guys are wrong
JimRogers: suck a duck
JimRogers: period
mod6: ban this toolbox
ZedsterX: plz
JimRogers: ok
JimRogers: first my money gets eaten by ur website
mircea_popescu: JimRogers when you're done being riught read the comments too
JimRogers: and you blame someone else
JimRogers: now u wanna ban me cuz i make as olid suggestion
mod6: no it doesn't
mod6: you had some site payout to a different betting site... all bets are off, check with the sender as NOTHING is in the blockchain
mod6: kakobrekla tried to help you, now kindly stfu or change the attitude.
JimRogers: dude i sent an email
Namworld: The blockchain is public and everyone can clearly see no transaction was ever sent to your bet's address.
JimRogers: i no longer blame you guys
mod6: we get signal
JimRogers: and then i get ban threatedn
JimRogers: i don't give a fuck
pigeons: yawn
mircea_popescu: pigeons show him btcjam
pigeons: no im waiting for them to use twitter bootstrap
pigeons: bootstrap shpould randomize defaults or something
mircea_popescu: no, they should just use old tripod and myspace looks as default
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 91 @ 0.1619 = 14.7329 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.08000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 40.10000, 24 hour volume: 83684.96974197, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.73271
ThickAsThieves: guys, can i um maybe get a bit more functionality out of BitBet?!
ThickAsThieves: like, don't change anything, but it should be better ok?
jurov: http://www.xkcd.com/1181/ rmunroe must be somewhere around hiding
mod6: sooo.. i my mind, the weighting has nothing to do with if a bet is "binary" meaning like "over/under" or "true/false" ... the weighting is just to encourage early betting.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136246895277.jpg
mircea_popescu: does that halp ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 he's hung up on the itrade model.
mod6: yeah, im re-reading that blog - he seems to fall into this category
ThickAsThieves: working much better now, thx mp
ThickAsThieves: where do the bitcoins come out though?
mircea_popescu: wherever you put them in
mircea_popescu: careful tho, runny.
ThickAsThieves: gonna have to talk to micon about this then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.581 = 2.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5809 = 8.7135 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.56 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.555 = 3.885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: my god mp bring MPEX into the 21st century with some better charts and graphics...it's like looking at a 70s movie :)
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX got sierra ?
jurov: ZedsterX, shhh, that's opportunity ;)
ZedsterX: obv not if i am bitching and shouldn't be
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/faq.html#11
ZedsterX: oh jurov sorry
mircea_popescu: can get a sierracharts plugin
ZedsterX: ya know i probably read that 4 times but the ADD just let it slip right on by
ZedsterX: i will checkin it out...and i was just yankin your chain
mircea_popescu: the thing is most everything is so dense
mircea_popescu: people just naturally skip over bits
jurov: lol, even if yes, that's honour :DD
ZedsterX: lol
ZedsterX: rofl
ZedsterX: in his mind
ZedsterX: juuusssst playing here
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4746628.77934 based on data since last change | 4836522.12241 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: informationally dense you bucnha trolls! :D
ZedsterX: ok now i know he called me troll
mircea_popescu: to quote the girl,
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* it's almost like he's a made up caricature for an irc play
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* (also i imagine everything he says in no pok voice)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ahahaha no pok hiar!
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* this gay ass website ate my bitcoin i tell you! no send to, no (quit) ... (enter) send to at all!
ZedsterX: i do remember looking at the sierra thing....i turned out to be way too incompetent to figure it out
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX jurov also made some charts
mircea_popescu: live.coinbr.com
ZedsterX: yeah i use his :)
kakobrekla: ZedsterX whats so hard about sierra
ZedsterX: but really no matter which chart i look at DICE is diving :P
mircea_popescu: o is it ?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.0059661 / 0.006225 (233405 shares, 1,392.52 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00589302 / 0.0063799 (532527 shares, 3,138.20 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00593929 / 0.007395 (6854653 shares, 40,711.83 BTC)
mircea_popescu: yest was rebounding
ZedsterX: kakobrekla: probably nothing sir i am just unsure how to use it
kakobrekla: which part
ZedsterX: i have download the file...i am assuming its command line?
jurov: "most everyone" prolly got trolled by that "bitcoin's moar expensive, s.dice revenue must go down" and other nonarguments
kakobrekla: ZedsterX, do you have sierra chart installed?
mircea_popescu: jurov prolly. also, some cycles are natural.
mircea_popescu: i'd be much more worried if it just marched up
kakobrekla: ZedsterX, you can run the exe with a double click, you done need to go to cmd.
kakobrekla: you dont*
ZedsterX: one sec
ZedsterX: oops i see what i did...my bad gimme a minute
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.65 = 3.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.555 = 5.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/288/bitcoin-mining-distribution/
mircea_popescu: that's kinda interesting
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/289/unknowns-come-to-dominate-bitcoin-mining/ actually that one too
blu3gr1ffon: that unknowns one has problems. simply because blockchain can't identify a pool and all of a sudden it's unknown.
blu3gr1ffon: i mean, the largest pool could change their IPs just to manipulate the bet at the last second
mircea_popescu: think they would ?
mircea_popescu: and it wouldn't be a last second thing
mircea_popescu: they'd have to mine with the new ip, for 4 days
dub: you could possibly game with ddos
pigeons: blockchain.info goes longer than 4 days misidentifying pools
pigeons: like months
kakobrekla: which is like decades in real time
B0g4r7_: game with hashpower.com
pigeons: its just so people will start a who is the mystery miner thread
mircea_popescu: pigeons im not saying it's like, gospel.
mircea_popescu: identifying anyting in bitcoin is an exercise in weighing tits.
B0g4r7_: lol @ expression
jurov: so, i got email from coinbr customer that wanted to buy just one call and ignored the "1 BTC initial funding required"
mircea_popescu: :p
jurov: he's prolly coing here soon
mircea_popescu: lol jurov's awas
mircea_popescu: "you can estimate the health of a system by counting how often tail appears in history"
mircea_popescu: dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmMNdiCz_s re listeria
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.16990, Best ask: 39.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03010, Last trade: 39.16990, 24 hour volume: 80328.52310126, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.96510
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thought you didnt have flash
thestringpuller: ;;asks 42
gribble: There are currently 11784.191 bitcoins offered at or under 42.0 USD, worth 483266.145112 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0023 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;bids 37
gribble: There are currently 12980.381 bitcoins demanded at or over 37.0 USD, worth 492895.066255 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.8729 seconds
mircea_popescu: i don't.
thestringpuller: ;;bids 38
gribble: There are currently 7685.7263 bitcoins demanded at or over 38.0 USD, worth 295264.074332 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.3235 seconds
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't support flash lol
thestringpuller: mpex
thestringpuller: now with actionscript
mircea_popescu: i don't support apple either.
mircea_popescu: "mpex. only available on rooted boxes"
thestringpuller: mpex available only in romania
mircea_popescu: actually im not even sure it is availavle in romania
thestringpuller: mpex the facebook of stock exchanges
jcpham: needs moar blue
ThickAsThieves: deadterra still hasnt paid sdice divs...
thestringpuller: he is too busy rolling in money
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00596607 / 0.006225 (230050 shares, 1,372.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00588869 / 0.0063799 (527527 shares, 3,106.45 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00593892 / 0.007395 (6852829 shares, 40,698.42 BTC)
thestringpuller: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300000 @ 0.00075 = 975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.555 = 4.44 BTC [+]
pigeons: thats a lot of mpoe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.53 = 5.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: Thick: As far as I know it always take DeaDTerra a few days.
Namworld: My passthroughs 2 weeks I think.
topace: pigeons: hows the arbitrage working for you?
Namworld: say*
Namworld: topace: arbitrage?
Namworld: Is MPEx arbitrage ready?
Namworld: with havelock
topace: mpex->havelock is available
topace: yes
pigeons: topace: thanks for the quick service, it will work out fine as long as dice doesnt spike up before i get deposited with mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
pigeons: just testing with small amounts and of course there wasnt a large amount of liquidity
pigeons: great feature thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.505 = 4.545 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know pigeons had an account
mircea_popescu: this chan delivers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.505 BTC [-]
pigeons: i have an account with everyone, even btcjam
kakobreklaaa: you dont with biitbet or bit4x
pigeons: oh yeah
pigeons: maybe later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5001 = 1.0002 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: esp for bb
jurov: muhahaha bratislava hackerspace thinks about providing discount accomodation to amir/genjix... if he'll do some dish washing
jcpham: pigeons i'm laughing at you right now for the btcjam account
jcpham: no out loud though, that would be rude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.50000001 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.495 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.49 = 2.94 BTC [-]
jcpham: :)
mircea_popescu: jurov le linque ?
Namworld: What's up with S.DICE?
Namworld: Why is everyone selling?
pigeons: dunno
mircea_popescu: prolly to invest in asicminer
jurov: mircea_popescu: just chat in #progressbar.sk
mircea_popescu: and primeasic
Namworld: I would guess it's due to BTC's high price in USD. Maybe people want to cash that money out.
mircea_popescu: ^ that
Namworld: Only thing I can see. S.DICE is still great as usual.
pizzaman1337: don't they know they should hold btc? :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.49 = 9.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.4874999 = 7.8 BTC [-]
jurov: if they really include amir in some vip gallery, i'll definitely link ya :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [-]
Namworld: They should lend the BTC to me instead
mircea_popescu: Namworld lol s.dice divs are about 2.5x neh ?
Namworld: yeah
mircea_popescu: lol ok
mircea_popescu: so basically, get 300 btc at 1, buy s.dice,
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan, i should be doing this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.48 = 9.12 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 39.90000, 24 hour volume: 81687.70130217, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.02022
mircea_popescu: its interesting how the pts amplify movements. when it went to 6x on mpex it went to 7x on pt.
mircea_popescu: now that it retraced to 5x on mpex its at 4x on pt
jurov: it depends on which
jurov: the bitfunder one is dampened instead
mircea_popescu: well iiutc havelock has like 50% of the pt float
pigeons: less precision on the pts, since 100 = 1 on havelock at least
mircea_popescu: so ? they still take 8 decimals or no ?
pigeons: and btct doesnt goout as many satoshi
pizzaman1337: Namworld: what will you be doing with the borrowed btc?
jurov: pigeons what do you need such precision for?
pigeons: i'm trying to spread fud, at least let someone agree first
Namworld: I place bids for assets I want.
Namworld: I always need capital to place bids.
Namworld: Mostly trade BTC denominated assets
jcpham: Silicon Valley Bank, a company that provides financial services to emerging growth companies, will be holding deposits of bitcoin and dollars for Coinlab. However, they will not be providing insurance for these deposits.
mircea_popescu: ahahaah WHAT ?
mircea_popescu: can they do this even ?
pigeons: i think i'd rather trust magic the gathering online exchange
mircea_popescu: in yurp you legally have to insure
mircea_popescu: not something you can contract away
Namworld: Here's my public portfolio pizzaman: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdGFKVlAtZVAzOGNqS1Brd05MUlFlT2c
jcpham: the more i read, the less i like
Guest8179: GSDPT dividend paid :)
topace: mircea_popescu: what do you mean 50% of pt float ?
Namworld: hurra
topace: we have 100% of the shares issued and trading on havelock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.47 = 4.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: topace of the total s.dice shares held by all pts
mircea_popescu: i tink you have about half on havelock
topace: oh!
topace: yea probably
pizzaman1337: Namworld: pretty spreadsheet
topace: we're at S.DICE x 1`125`000
Namworld: I love making spreadsheets
Namworld: It auto-updates
mircea_popescu: jcpham that quote belongs on the forum
kakobreklaaa: i make love on sheets with spreaded stuff
Namworld: at least the private section. I have to republish for the public spreadsheet regularly.
Namworld: thanks for the unneeded information, kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaaa do you know the aspirin joke ?
kakobreklaaa: dunno
Guest8179: GSDPT currently has 1,4 Mill shares
mircea_popescu: big tits girl goes to cunny doctor
Guest8179: lol
Guest8179: why I guest...
mircea_popescu: "is it true that aspirin can be used as an anticonceptional ?"
DeaDTerra: there we go
mircea_popescu: "uhhh... i guess if you hold it between your knees it might"
mircea_popescu: "so then... what, you just sit on it ?"
mircea_popescu: ok so 1.125 on hl, 1.4mn on btctc, who's got bf ?
jcpham: sorry source
jcpham: http://www.forbes.com/sites/saranyakapur/2013/03/05/bitcoin-ready-to-go-mainstream-with-first-u-s-exchange/
DeaDTerra: I got BF
DeaDTerra: I have 1,4 mill spread out between BF,BTCT and private deals
pigeons: DeaDTerra: you'll get used to it. try spending some time in jail
DeaDTerra: most of the shares are on BF
DeaDTerra: hahah lol :P
Namworld: I lost $14 getting my GSDPT pushed a few hours before the dividends... =P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well on the plus side, I saved on getting cheap shares from Bitfunder.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2013/3/4/events-of-friday-bitinstant-back-online.html
mircea_popescu: seems bitinstant is back
mod6: (11:17) < mircea_popescu> "so then... what, you just sit on it ?" << lol
topace: im actually amazed at how quickly havelocks sdice passthru adjusts to match mpex
pigeons: congrats! success! you're funds are safe! "Overall, due to major choke points and redundancies in our system, the hacker was only able to walk away with $12,480 USD in BTC, and send them in 3 installments of 333 BTC to bitcoin addresses. "
mircea_popescu: topace people must be watchin'. and since you made it easy...
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: haxed ?!
mircea_popescu: Could not connect to remote server
mircea_popescu: jesus.
topace: bitinstant got haxx0red ?
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to MPEx The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011."
topace: mircea_popescu: havelock hasnt been hacked
topace: :p
topace: nor has canadianbitcoins
mircea_popescu: shh!
mircea_popescu: im obviously only comparing to the other ones that were hacked
topace: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: pigeons their site actually load for you ?
jcpham: http://blogs.barrons.com/emergingmarketsdaily/2013/03/05/meet-bitcoin-the-worlds-best-performing-currency/
ZedsterX: safer putting "yet" on the end of the sentence
pigeons: yes
mircea_popescu: pigeons times out for me
pigeons: http://pastebin.com/uTKTTzwk
mircea_popescu: ty kind sir
mircea_popescu: "None of your personal or transactional information has been leaked. We keep all that data offline to protect everyones privacy."
mircea_popescu: wait... how does that work ?!
pigeons: oh you were expecting honesty about a hack?
mircea_popescu: The attacker contacted our domain registrar at Site5 posing as me and using a very similar email address as mine, they did so by proxying through a network owned by a haulage company in the UK whom I suspect are innocent victims the same as ourselves. Armed with knowledge of my place of birth and mother's maiden name alone (both facts easy to locate on the public record) they convinced Site5 staff to add their email ad
mircea_popescu: dress to the account and make it the primary login (this prevented us from deleting it from the account).
mircea_popescu: wait so ...
mircea_popescu: omg wtf.
mircea_popescu: After changing this info and locking the attacker out, overnight he was able to revert my changes and point our website somewhere else. Site5 is denying any damages, but we suspect this was partly their fault.
mircea_popescu: dude, and they sat on it ?!
mircea_popescu: omfg.
pigeons: these hacks always coincide with "system maintenance"
mircea_popescu: a. this is why mpex model has to take over bitcoinworkd ;
mircea_popescu: b. fucking hell people need to learn to report. the good and the bad.
Lyspooner: hello, how are everyone's assets performing?
kakobreklaaa: my ass is set and performing well
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobreklaaa: in a sitting position
kakobreklaaa: fuck
kakobreklaaa: this sounds so jurovy
topace: bitcoin businesses just shouldnt host their sites in places like that... you need my iris scan to change anything on any of my accounts at the data center, and even if they had access t my account, they couldnt do anything with it, as the physical boxes belong to me and no settings can be changed from the datacenter admin staff without having my own system's root passwords
kakobreklaaa: ill just pop your eye
kakobreklaaa: and use a wrench.
topace: they say their system can detect a live eye form a dead one
kakobreklaaa: wrench is for psswd, not for the eye
kakobreklaaa: fine ill take the head and keep it warm
topace: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.469 = 0.938 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: would be one life better for you if they had worse eye decetion system
kakobreklaaa: detection*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.469 = 0.938 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 45 @ 0.4681 = 21.0645 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224416 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4771119.08352 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.23202
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 157 @ 0.00485 = 0.7615 BTC [-]
Namworld: Goodbye S.DICE price
kakobreklaaa: S.DICE price has left the channel.
ThickAsThieves: funny that a 2.5% paying asset isn't good enough now
topace: drop some more, i wanna buy back in
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 840 @ 0.0055 = 4.62 BTC [-]
Namworld: Thick: if many want to withdraw to have BTC ready...
Namworld: might mean many are expecting the current BTC price to be a bubble and want to be ready to sell
Namworld: I know I do.
Namworld: You can see very low amount of asks...
ThickAsThieves: i think btc dropping anything notable is far off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13729 @ 0.00074448 = 10.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00074218 = 3.6285 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5932 @ 0.00074217 = 4.4026 BTC [-]
pigeons: way to jinx it ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: :/
ThickAsThieves: i just think people will be panic buying for a bit
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.51020, Best ask: 39.58506, Bid-ask spread: 0.07486, Last trade: 39.51020, 24 hour volume: 82491.79614755, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.07380
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 41.20198681 / 46.0855546 (no shares, 6,242.04 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Namworld: I hope we reach 100 USD/BTC
ZedsterX: since its virgin territory on one really knows what to do
ZedsterX: Namworld: when?
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 41
gribble: There are currently 7344.3475 bitcoins offered at or under 41.0 USD, worth 299081.1159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0019 seconds
Namworld: in the near future as in next 2 months
Namworld: Price would certainly crash soon afterward
ZedsterX: yeah too fast...this is too fast
Namworld: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#igWeeklyztgSza1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zv
Namworld: I love parabolic curves
ZedsterX: hehe
thestringpuller: waves not parabolas...
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2846687.2846 USD and would take the last price down to 16.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.4669 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0103 seconds
thestringpuller: there still isnt enough depth to resist manipulation
mircea_popescu: i dedicate http://trilema.com/2013/the-events-of-failday/ to pigeons
mircea_popescu: who halped.
ZedsterX: thestringpuller: i was wondering just that last night how big a chunk it would take
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 15 @ 0.00666 = 0.0999 BTC [-]
dub: hehThe URL that you are attempting to access is a potential security risk. Trend Micro OfficeScan has blocked this URL in keeping with network security policy.
dub: URL: http://eligius.st/
dub: the first time trend has ever been useful
mircea_popescu: lol
pigeons: http://crypto-trade.com/ April 1 is always a great day to launch
mircea_popescu: this is the guy with the vircurex ipo right ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.00609 = 0.0548 BTC [+]
pigeons: this is the guy who runs the esecurity assets which supposedly run a ddos prevention service
mircea_popescu: a
Lyspooner: but what if i want to send an order to buttplox
ThickAsThieves: it looks like BF & BTCT designs had a baby together
ThickAsThieves: (the crypto-trade design)
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner now that i dunno
mircea_popescu: gotta join #bitcoin-buttploxets mebbe
jurov: Lyspooner, we run our own buttplox : mpex.coinbr.com
jurov: and there are more
jurov: that will surface if needed
mircea_popescu: ;;google “he was holding a really big gun“
gribble: BFG - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BFG>; Down With Big Gun: <http://gawker.com/5968807/down-with-big-gun>; Stormers holding back their big guns | Southern HemisphereNews ...: <http://www.rugbyrugby.com/news/more_news/southern_hemisphere/7008471/stormers_holding_back_their_big_guns>
jurov: lol, rape with BFG... quite an overkill
mircea_popescu: im the overking of overmetaphors.
mircea_popescu: overtly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18158 @ 0.00074708 = 13.5655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816842 @ 0.00075 = 612.6315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23 @ 0.0052 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
kakobreklaaa: S.DICE price joined the channel.
jurov: 816842 @ 0.00075 = 612.6315 wat
Namworld: there was another for much more earlier
jurov: yes
jurov: i don't understand what's happening here anymore
mircea_popescu: abandon any hope
jurov: or rather, i was thinking i understand and i was wriong
B0g4r7_: I don't know how I understand some of this stuff.
B0g4r7_: Sometimes if I take a step back and look at it, I'm like 'wat?'
B0g4r7_: "I got mah GPUs mining LTC" :step back: 'wat?'
jurov: at least you got nice heating. that's what matters.
dub: s.dice moar like s.deuce
mircea_popescu: well it's good news in any event, helps support the book.
Ukto: pigeons: that crypto-trade is by Neotrix the eSecurity assets on btct/ltc
Ukto: being in HK I believe its highly illegal there too :)
Ukto: seeing as eCurrencies are very illegal in china/hk
mircea_popescu: they are ?
Ukto: yup
Ukto: there are actual laws aginst eCurrencies in china/hk
pigeons: yeah explicitly illegal now
jcpham: neat
Ukto: china MUST maintain control.
pigeons: e-mooncakes
Ukto: in their eyes. :)
jcpham: laws are always fun when they chnge
mircea_popescu: so wait. bitcoin is a. illegal in china ; b. on some senator's deathlist in the us ; c. sorta neutral in europe.
mircea_popescu: i am guessing you guise have picked a life of crime ?
jcpham: i like morality
mircea_popescu: a moral criminal
mircea_popescu: this sounds like a tv show.
pigeons: its moral until Luke-Jr says its wrong
jcpham: laws that are moral and laws that are cultoral have different meaning to me
jcpham: *cultural
jcpham: china's new law is cultural and has nothing to do with morality
mircea_popescu: and you get to pick ?
jcpham: apparently so
jcpham: or so far
mircea_popescu: you know i can bringa pretty good set of arguments that rape is cultural not moral in this scheme
jcpham: we're getting dangerous close to the idea of right vs. wrong
kakobreklaaa: but he likes rape
jcpham: rape can be either
mircea_popescu: i just like pestering people.
jcpham: that's the beauty of it, it is all arbitrary
kakobreklaaa: im just dicking around, since i sound like a tits but mean dick.
jcpham: situationally speaking the act of rape can be amoraaly wrong or culturally wrong or both
jcpham: not my decison
mircea_popescu: so you get to decide ?
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck am i doing here, am i beheading this rapist guy or not ?
jcpham: everyone else can decide as long as i'm not raped
jcpham: once i'm raped then i have to decide
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
kakobreklaaa: continiue
mircea_popescu: what's this, victim discrimination ?!
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.79000, Best ask: 39.99400, Bid-ask spread: 0.20400, Last trade: 39.99400, 24 hour volume: 83112.64777389, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.12581
jcpham: i forgot what we were talking about
asa1024: lol
jcpham: the point i was making is that rape is strictly prohibited
Ukto: financially or physically? :P
dub: remember beign raped is punishable by death in places
mircea_popescu: some places discriminate for the victim, some for the perpetrator
mircea_popescu: some even inssit they marry.
Ukto: and those countries usually hit the woman for cheating if married
kakobreklaaa: 21:51.52 ( mircea_popescu ) some even inssit they marry.
kakobreklaaa: useful stuff
dub: Ukto: there was a case in dubai a while back where the wife/gf of a guy who cheated on her was jailed because she caught them having sex and three people in a room where sex is happening is a crime
mircea_popescu: that dumbass law btw is the reason i never went to dubai.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, i've not had pairsex in years
dub: yeah fuck that place
dub: the mandatory 4 years in jail for drugs thing.. when they don;t publish what drugs are illegal and frequently jail people carrying over the counter pharmacy drugs perfectly legal int eh country of origin
dub: oh you had a headache and bought ibuprofen with you? tough shit, see you in 4 years
mircea_popescu: no wonder they're the us' most stalwart ally.
pigeons: yes even if you are only stopping over on the plane en route to another country and never get out
pigeons: melatonin is the one that gets the press for leaving you in jail in dubai if you're travelling from Britain to australia and stop in dubia
pigeons: although if poppy seeds fall off your in-flight bagel onto your shirt you're jailed as well
dub: lol yeah
pigeons: and don't forget their magic machines that can detect undetectable amounts of cannabis under the dirt clung to your shoes
pigeons: allah admiral ackbar
mircea_popescu: the only upside is that they have two law tiers, which is nice (the us does too)
mircea_popescu: so you can go on a special "is not a mook" ticket and just do coke off model butt with the sheiks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.548 = 1.096 BTC [+]
pigeons: forein women are allowed to read if they do it in private
dub: sooner the jews and arabs nuke each other into oblivion the better
Lyspooner: i was disappointed to learn that the 1500 russians injured when the meteorite exploded above their heads were mostly treated for cuts related to broken glass
kakobreklaaa: broken bones would be better?
mircea_popescu: what did you expect ?
mircea_popescu: pyroglass.
Lyspooner: that they got hit with space rocks
Lyspooner: not windows
kakobreklaaa: or bsd
dub: better if they started growing tentacles
Lyspooner: tentacles probably take weeks to grow
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner si is one of the more common elements. when heated it makes glass. most meteorites that ain't metallic are obsydian basically.
iz: what's cooler, obsidian from a meteorite or obsidian from a volcano?
pigeons: a pound of feathers
Lyspooner: i am heavy metal
Lyspooner: and i stink like sulphur
mircea_popescu: change the water
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5489 = 2.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.53162 = 10.6324 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.01667, Best ask: 40.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17333, Last trade: 40.16999, 24 hour volume: 83584.00647079, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.14721
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 646 @ 0.00569 = 3.6757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: jurov: A new motion has been posted on ASICMINER-PT i see no motion?
jurov: i have nothing wrt asicminer-pt
ZedsterX: well i stand corrected
ZedsterX: burnie is who i meant
ZedsterX: oops
jurov: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00608 = 0.0912 BTC [-]
burnside: heh
burnside: hit the motions tab
ZedsterX: i did big guy
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX they're all mpoe-pr anyway.
ZedsterX: No motions yet
burnside: hmmm
burnside: gotta be a caching thing, one sec.
ZedsterX: i am aware of that mp :)
ZedsterX: i gotta run just thought ya should know
Namworld: 0.00608? Common, S.DICE-PT is like 6.5% cheaper
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00569 = 0.0854 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.53162 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Heya burnside. You gonna have some Startum h4wtness for us?
burnside: thar she is, try it again now
burnside: had a 600 second cache when it should have only been 60
B0g4r7_: Stratum too
burnside: I really want to get stratum going, I'm testing it via our DDoS service.
burnside: Gotta make sure it works through 'em
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.00074217 = 13.3999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
burnside: hey all, the motion is up on ASICMINER-PT, grants 90 days no maintenance fees (in theory, should be long enough for Friedcat to get his exchange going) and also reduces the maintenance in tiers down to 0.5% if there are more than 10k shares being maintained.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.525 = 1.05 BTC [-]
dub: anyone here want 100 asicminer?
burnside: should cover all the bases, highly recommend approval, as there's no downside for shareholders.
ThickAsThieves: dub, how much?
dub: idk, what are the going for?
dub: looks like .65 on teh PTs
ThickAsThieves: .55 on forums, .65 on PTs i think
dub: why the disparity?
ThickAsThieves: they sell fast on forums
ThickAsThieves: and slow on PT
burnside: ours are more expensive because I had to secure a call option to get it started.
mircea_popescu: <dub> why the disparity? << because not beingon an exchange sucks.
ThickAsThieves: there are only 2 ppl selling on the PT's. INAU, and Burnside, right?
burnside: but there's benefits there too. don't have to deal with trust issues, escrow, etc.
burnside: yeah, liquidity will be much better on and exchange if you need to move fast
ThickAsThieves: but i could, say,
burnside: yeah, I think right now it's INAU's shares on BF. I'm not certain of that.
ThickAsThieves: dub pass your shares into BF
Anduckkk: okay
ThickAsThieves: then push to me
Anduckkk: how much asicminer got mining hash rate?
ThickAsThieves: and escrow my coins
Anduckkk: i can sell 18 shares (asicminer) for 0.65 each
Anduckkk: pm me if interested.,
ThickAsThieves: you and everyone else
burnside: heh
burnside: I'm hoping I can sell all 1000 in short order because it'll let me issue a small refund that'll bring the price down a bit.
dub: buttfunder?
burnside: with the premium on the option the shares are more expensive in lower volume
ZedsterX: burnie like the motion but ya know nice guys never win
burnside: haha, ZedsterX, I kinda like my utopian bubble.
ZedsterX: hehe
ThickAsThieves: burn, if you wanna sell 1000 shares
ThickAsThieves: put em at 55
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5489 = 2.7445 BTC [+]
burnside: I hear ya, didn't get 'em at 55 tho. breakeven is around 64 if all 1000 sell
burnside: sucks, I know, but that's the option I got.
ThickAsThieves: you could get rid of that complicated tier scheme
ThickAsThieves: and promo them as pnly 1% cit from divs, nor service fees
burnside: in a week when asicminer is doing 12TH and they're 1 BTC/ea the 3 weeks remaining on the option are going to look pretty nice.
mircea_popescu: they're doing 12th in a week ?
ZedsterX: now if i only have 4 shares I still fall the 10000 share catergory right?
burnside: that was a prediction, I think I heard that they're doing 7.2TH today
burnside: ZedsterX, definitely
ZedsterX: sweet
burnside: it's how many are in the passthru total
ZedsterX: cool
ZedsterX: once again i was miss reading...geez its hard to be so slow sometimes
Lyspooner: http://www.finalsatoshi.com/
burnside: ThickAsThieves, I hear ya, but contracts are for when things go bad as much as they are for when things go good.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.56001, Best ask: 41.65000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 41.65000, 24 hour volume: 94505.95802205, 24 hour low: 36.15200, 24 hour high: 41.79000, 24 hour vwap: 39.61246
mircea_popescu: what, only 41 ?!
mircea_popescu: i wish to speak to the manager.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.56001 - the oix fuckin' predicted, man!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 20 @ 0.63494 = 12.6988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2504 @ 0.00485 = 12.1444 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin-is-not-some-50-or-100-it-is-100000-to-1000000/
Chaang-Noi: 100,000 here we come
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: while that's true for later on,
mircea_popescu: for now i'd be worried
Chaang-Noi: he says starting around 2019
mircea_popescu: like that i can see it
Chaang-Noi: like when it will start to go mainstream
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu should drop a sell bomb
TomServo: really, just 6 years?
Chaang-Noi: yeah that is kinda what i was thinking too, but 100,000 each is a bit high
thestringpuller: pop the bubble
thestringpuller: pop it
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/309115529589829632
mircea_popescu: this is kinda worrisome.
Chaang-Noi: fbi got him?
mircea_popescu: TomServo 6 years you know ? look what happened in 2.
mircea_popescu: interwebs move fast.
mircea_popescu: i still believe my old 1 month - 1 year thing.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you didn't buy enough under 20 cause it was too expensive last month, did you.
Chaang-Noi: bitinstant still down and out with peoples money?
TomServo: I get 6 years would be an eternity for bitcoin, but that still seems...aggressive.
mod6: im suprised that's his only reponse to the trilema blog
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi they got fucked but it's not their fault and their #1 priority is security except not rly.
gwillen: Chaang-Noi: huh, did he just publish that?
gwillen: we've only been at $41.50 for like an hour
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's easier.
mod6: they seem extra scammy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they don't seem scammy to me, but certainly veering into the "we're 18 hear us roar" sorta attitude.
mod6: yeah, they're old than that though...and they ought to start caring about security
mod6: before they have gaping anus'
mod6: *older
mircea_popescu: i think the perspective shift from "we're trying and so nobody should criticise us" to "w'ere doing" is really difficult for most kids
mircea_popescu: and extra difficult for all americans.
mod6: well, in my 13 years of software dev in this country, it has /always/ been: Dollars first, security when we can get to it.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to secure platforms that weren't build around security from the very beginning.
mod6: absolutly /never/ do they build shit with any security model in mind.
mircea_popescu: yea...welll... the trillions in yearly online fraud have to come from somewhere.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no i just like seeing self inflicted crashes so rich people can profiteer
mod6: its constantly bolted on the side.
thestringpuller: smickles has all my btc :(
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 3,735 BTC
mircea_popescu: dude i totally like this bitbet. wouldn't it be the laugh of all time if i end up retiring over my bitbet stock
mod6: :]
dub: stupid people
thestringpuller: what bet?
dub: I try to give them my money but nooo, their property is a unique snowflake that is clearly worth more than people are willing to pay
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller site total.
mircea_popescu: dub stop buying girlfriends.
mircea_popescu: in other news, bfl 210:50 against april 1st delivery.
mod6: HEH
dub: ouch
Chaang-Noi: bitinstant was down, people could not get their money/btc maybe people know now but when i went to bed 8 hours ago i had no idea why
Chaang-Noi: mp how did they get fucked?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi basically the story is,
BitHub: apirl 1st bfl comes out saying it they were joking all along
mircea_popescu: someone got their dns host through social engineering
mircea_popescu: they saw the foreign email, removed it and went to bed
mircea_popescu: then the next morning got phished
mircea_popescu: then lost 1k btc off one of the exchanges
thestringpuller: mod6 :P
Chaang-Noi: oh lol
mircea_popescu: then "the community should learn a lesson"
mircea_popescu: they make no mention of what actual measures they took for the future, and don't seem to have learned anything at all.
mircea_popescu: so i wrote a piece explaining why and wherefore
mircea_popescu: which shrem just went on the record saying he doesn't comprehend.
mircea_popescu: so i'm thinking... best stick to smpake and d&t's services.
Chaang-Noi: well i like veer and think bitinstant is needed for btc, but that charlie guy... lol
mircea_popescu: i don't really know either two of them, tbh. never used the bitinstant thing
Ukto: erik and charlie are both very nice
Ukto: charlie has been very busy personally lately
Ukto: and erik has been out and about traveling
Chaang-Noi: that charlie guy honestly i think might be mildly retarded. he said he was scared to take money form the fbi in his thread and i was like why? are doing something illegal? he responce was the "fedral bra inspectors" i was like wtf??
mircea_popescu: Ukto http://trilema.com/2013/the-events-of-failday/ << it kinda explains what my issue is with the entire thing.
Chaang-Noi: atleast they only lost 1000 btc, could ahve been much much higher
error4733: welcome to 42$
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi there was recently a rash of small arms manufacturers refusing to deal with their rogue government there
mircea_popescu: maybe this is of the same sort.
dub: erik is clearly retarded, doesn't bode well if both of them are
Ukto: fbi doing something illegal? happens. prosocutors offering compromise to get you to do illegal acts on their behalf? happens. kimdotcom? happened.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1262 @ 0.00608 = 7.673 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.05750, Bid-ask spread: 0.05750, Last trade: 42.00000, 24 hour volume: 97498.99357980, 24 hour low: 36.47000, 24 hour high: 42.50689, 24 hour vwap: 39.76206
Chaang-Noi: mp where?
mircea_popescu: error4733 that's more like it. are you the manager ?
Chaang-Noi: Ukto that is what i said, is using bitinstant an illegal act, and he would not answer me yes or no...
Chaang-Noi: Ukto he went on some childish tanget about bras to avoid the topic
mod6: weak
Chaang-Noi: we are well into 42... i wake up and pop 41 and pop 42.. damn
error4733: welcome to 42$
Chaang-Noi: i told him i cant tell people to use bitinstant any more if he cant tell me that he does not think using it is not illegal...
Ukto: $42.68 is current high
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.47121, Bid-ask spread: 0.47121, Last trade: 42.47121, 24 hour volume: 97587.14426085, 24 hour low: 36.50000, 24 hour high: 42.68943, 24 hour vwap: 39.76494
Chaang-Noi: if it was not for all the strong bids id say this is bubble:/ but it does not look like bubble:/
Chaang-Noi: i think the sellers who were going to sell sold at 28-32 expecting to get them cheaper...
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi Feb 23 17:44:29 <mircea_popescu> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/23/gaining-momentum-now-42-gun-companies-have-stopped-selling-to-law-enforcement-in-anti-2nd-amendment-states/
Chaang-Noi: america and guns :)
Guest11426: Sold 7% @ $40.40
Guest11426: 3 hours ago
mircea_popescu: hi guest
Guest11426: LOL
Chaang-Noi: i sold about 5% at 35ish...
Bugpowderr: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.05850, Best ask: 42.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24150, Last trade: 42.05850, 24 hour volume: 97857.41109838, 24 hour low: 36.56000, 24 hour high: 42.69000, 24 hour vwap: 39.77385
mircea_popescu: i've not sold
ThickAssLaptop: sold 0%
Bugpowderr: Selling a little makes me have courage
mircea_popescu: selling is for girls
Bugpowderr: for the long hold
Bugpowderr: yes
Bugpowderr: it actually is for girls
Chaang-Noi: selling a little makes my family have food and nice things...
Bugpowderr: wife is happy
mircea_popescu: so then great :D
Bugpowderr: now let my coins be...
mircea_popescu: haha
Bugpowderr: Now S.DICE needs to bounce
Bugpowderr: this is redic
mircea_popescu: jcpham more than a house, less than a car ?
Bugpowderr: I should deposit and buy that block at .0047
jcpham: i traded afe wbitcoinf or 800$ in amazon the other day
Chaang-Noi: mp that is lol but just a stunt, the cops will get arms
jcpham: wth
mircea_popescu: "Swarm Economy"... i originally read "Smarm Economy
jcpham: anyways Ilaunder my money through my family
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi yeah, asciilifeform was making the same point, marketing gimmick.
jcpham: buy them the things they need
Chaang-Noi: gets in the press, make a point
jcpham: mircea_popescu i noticed that reference btw
jcpham: good one
dub: s.duece is never bouncing
mircea_popescu: :p
jcpham: i only had about 300 BTC stolen from me
jcpham: 1600btc if i count the interest
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: jcpham i'm the agent of "never forget"
jcpham: so no big deal
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1262 @ 0.00569 = 7.1808 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 1600 btc wouldn't have bought a car back in sept would it have ?
jcpham: but this time last year i mined a few hundred bucks a day
jcpham: and gave it to strangers for shits and giggles
mircea_popescu: i guess just about yeah.
jcpham: my how we change
mircea_popescu: jcpham i'm still in that phase, just, the rate supports my extravagance.
Bugpowderr: $43
error4733: 43$
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.99998, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 42.99998, 24 hour volume: 98119.15011464, 24 hour low: 36.69989, 24 hour high: 43.00000, 24 hour vwap: 39.80119
jcpham: it might have bought me a yugo
error4733: haha
error4733: WTF
mircea_popescu: ok mr manager, i withdraw my complaint.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13497 @ 0.00073462 = 9.9152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34806 @ 0.00075 = 26.1045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 908 @ 0.00608 = 5.5206 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 50 is happening this week.
jcpham: i regret all the silver bullion i've bought
jcpham: facepalm
mircea_popescu: jcpham i never bouight any! ha!
jcpham: good for you
error4733: i regret not invented bitcoin
jcpham: i've brought in about 100 ounces
jcpham: that i payed way to much for at this juncture
mircea_popescu: my problem was, so buy 100 ounces. da fuck do i do with it now ?
mircea_popescu: more shit to stumble over.
mircea_popescu: i think many people love bitcoin PRECISELY because it's so ethereal.
dub: so all these librariantarians hoard metal for the econopocalypse right?
jcpham: i really hope this price finds long term support
dub: because when everyone is starving they are goign to care about silver and gold
Ukto: [20:39] <amphipod> Mar06 02:40:52 mtgox 0.4000 @ 43.00 USD
jcpham: i have some metal on hand in case i need to trade one day
asciilifeform: speaking of physical investments with use value (unlike metals) ...
dub: protip: hoard food and ammo, nobody is goign to want your shiney metal
error4733: god job prepper !
jcpham: i like to think i have enough shiny stuff to purchase something i might need
asciilifeform: you know what has been doing almost as well as BTC? Ammo.
jcpham: but what i might need i do not know
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 24 @ 0.22 = 5.28 BTC [+]
jcpham: i also have several thousand rounds of ammo
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 10 @ 0.24103982 = 2.4104 BTC [+]
jcpham: just in case
jcpham: i also have plans to lock down my little island
jcpham: should shit hit the fan
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 5 @ 0.20618917 = 1.0309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23521087 = 235.2109 BTC [+]
dub: i don't understand how metal is supposed to have value when fiat doesnt
jcpham: i fell you there
jcpham: the more i think about it the more i tend to agree
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 43
jcpham: my thoughts on metal have changed
gribble: There are currently 112.41585 bitcoins offered at or under 43.0 USD, worth 4833.88037854 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21048426 = 210.4843 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: that wont hold lol
ThickAssLaptop: lol
dub: sure you can make ammo out of metal but its probably cheaper ot hoard lead?
ThickAssLaptop: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 14803.645 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 693447.9213 USD in total. | Data vintage: 46.9849 seconds
mircea_popescu: <jcpham> i really hope this price finds long term support << it just might. the reason is that bitcoin with large marketcap is more useful than bitcoin with low mkt cap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ammo is almost pure metal :D
asciilifeform: AU/AG have value if the collapse is less-than-global, and there are speculators who might trade you food/etc from abroad in exchange for some shiny metal.
Ukto: ;;goxlag
gribble: 78.10124 seconds
Ukto: ouch
mircea_popescu: <gribble> There are currently 112.41585 bitcoins offered at or under 43.0 USD, << epic.
dub: asciilifeform: you gonna sail to another country to trade with them?
dub: asciilifeform: do you know how to make a sailboat?
asciilifeform: no, they do the traveling. See "shuttles" in the collapsing USSR period.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18844965 = 188.4497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, the quantity of options i've sold is staggering.
asciilifeform: when a nation collapses, people from nearby (and not so nearby) places come to vacuum up the valuables.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> when a nation collapses, people from nearby (and not so nearby) places come to vacuum up the valuables. << word on that.
asciilifeform: sometimes via trade in basic necessities, sometimes with brute force
mircea_popescu: on the collapse of bulgaria in the 90s i went there with a truck full of cans
jcpham: mircea_popescu a lot of these numbers and amths are going to be staggering from now on
mircea_popescu: came back with truck full of joolry and shit.
mircea_popescu: jcpham i guess you're right.
jcpham: if this 50 ish range finds support
dub: mircea_popescu: what? were they hoarding the jools in their ass?
jcpham: the math gets crazier
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: dub they had it real bad at one point. so bad in fact
error4733: some1 can sell 20K Sdice ?
mircea_popescu: the accepted bus fare was 1 egg
mircea_popescu: in like, sofia.
error4733: just for crush the market to 0.003
jcpham: an egg as currency makes sense if perople are hungry though
jcpham: if i was starving i'd gladly accept an egg
mircea_popescu: yeah, provided it doesn't stay currency for too long.
jcpham: hahha
mircea_popescu: a three week old egg in the summer is more of a weapon than a food item
jcpham: yeah idefinitely infuse rotten egs in the supply
mircea_popescu: then call yourself bernanke.
dub: unless you're in china
Bugpowderr: the big sale on S.DICE just got pulled
dub: and also have a horse
jcpham: buy ketchup
jcpham: that what bernanke tells me
dub: jcpham: amm and 'turkey
dub: ammo*
jcpham: or is that warren buffet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00075 = 75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 10 @ 0.21068324 = 2.1068 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: of course speculators in necessities might as well have bull's eyes painted on them (both for idiot idealists and for marauders)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18863313 = 188.6331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23542766 = 235.4277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 990 @ 0.21068324 = 208.5764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 10 @ 0.23622767 = 2.3623 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o boy.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how was your Bulgarian bus defended?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not at liberty to discuss.
asciilifeform: didn't think so
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there wasn't much violence at the time.
mircea_popescu: certainly less than what counts as a "quiet day" in washington dc or la.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the collapse of the serbian govt during the allied bombing didn't engender much violence at all.
mircea_popescu: direct experience shows that without a government people are pretty much doing the exact same things.
dub: just some casual genocide
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the Serbs took care of their diversity problem prior to the bombing. In fact, that was the official excuse for the latter...
mircea_popescu: myeah.
jcpham: 'murica: ruining your culture with economics and technology since 1944
jcpham: mostly i blame the japanese and perl harbor for the sad state of world affairs
mircea_popescu: why bnot go the extra mile and
mircea_popescu: blame godzilla.
jcpham: *pearl
mircea_popescu: ahahaha PERL HARBOR! totally.
jcpham: i've never seen godzilla irl so...
mircea_popescu: fuck it. perl ruined the world.
mircea_popescu: we can't has good twang because perl.
mod6: lol
asciilifeform: let's go the whole hog and blame... Cromwell.
Bugpowderr: $43.50
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a piece about how lincoln is the original cause america sucks.
mircea_popescu: why cromwell ?
jcpham: British colonialism is really to blame
jcpham: or the romans if we want to really point fingers
mircea_popescu: colonialism is the solution, not the problem.
mircea_popescu: english misunderstanding of french socialism is the problem.
asciilifeform: Cromwell pulled the first modern idiot revolution.
mircea_popescu: why not alaric, king of the goths ?
mircea_popescu: why not the kingdom of bulgaria, to come full circle.
jcpham: that was efore my time
jcpham: i've only been around for a few hundred years
asciilifeform: Alaric didn't specifically target the concept of nobility.
mircea_popescu: orly ?!
jcpham: beer.
error4733: 44
mircea_popescu: o no fucking way
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: twitter sez "discosync.co just won $25k on stage at @Launch."
mircea_popescu: i'm like.. chuckle. 25k ? 25k whats ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoins ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23679642 = 236.7964 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18982587 = 189.8259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21195868 = 211.9587 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.90000, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 100112.20743136, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 44.00000, 24 hour vwap: 39.94269
ThickAssLaptop: "and though may never have to, it's good to have options"
ThickAssLaptop: i
mod6: !ticker m "^OIX"
assbot: These beans is shit.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 43.71874246 / 47.83958615 (no shares, 8,160.59 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: hm can that be right ?!
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 43.71874246 / 47.83958615 (no shares, 8,160.59 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mod6: thx!
mod6: I guess it could be right, have to do the calculation, but someone bought a bunch of puts @ 75
mod6: 14`375 actually
error4733: A LOT !
mircea_popescu: i think those were short
mod6: ah
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19079917 = 190.7992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23791328 = 237.9133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21299953 = 212.9995 BTC [+]
error4733: 45
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 03:10:42 mtgox x88 1,000.0000 @ 44.93371459 USD
Chaang-Noi: the bloody fuck
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 10 @ 0.17096796 = 1.7097 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: where did 43 and 44 go?
error4733: 10 min each
Chaang-Noi: jesus, i go take a shit and they are gone...
mod6: 43's are gone, and the even's wern't created this month
mircea_popescu: this is sorta like mining
mircea_popescu: wow the last few ticks... totally ponzi looking
mod6: lots of buy and holders
mod6: ;;asks 50
Chaang-Noi: amphipod> Mar06 03:03:55 mtgox x138 1,395.9533 @ 43.97145535 USD
gribble: There are currently 11448.341 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 548166.438908 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
Chaang-Noi: people are buying 1000 plus coins at a time at this price...
Chaang-Noi: wtf?
mircea_popescu: data vintage eh ?
jcpham: lag
Chaang-Noi: ;;goxlag
gribble: 456.476647 seconds
mircea_popescu: pretty cool way of sayin' it.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.06075, Best ask: 44.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.23925, Last trade: 44.30000, 24 hour volume: 101787.86062457, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.04730
dub: neat
Chaang-Noi: and this is with people trying to buy via bitinstant and being left out of the game...
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01000, Best ask: 44.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 44.13135, 24 hour volume: 101769.80421578, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.09091
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 45
gribble: There are currently 274.49811 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 12352.4148497 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
dub: dollar spread?
jcpham: 3 minute trade excution reported in #bitcoin
Chaang-Noi: yeah
Chaang-Noi: ;;goxlag
gribble: 356.027482 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23876878 = 238.7688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19154283 = 191.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21379583 = 213.7958 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Hm. So... I took a look at the site, but it doesn't really talk about what this channel is for. Is it just general trading talk?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 20 @ 0.29732419 = 5.9465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 60 @ 0.26660605 = 15.9964 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Sorry if the question is a newbtastical one heh
dub: its for rational discussion
mircea_popescu: keith_hanson try bitcoin-assets.com ?
mircea_popescu: but in general, it's for bitcoin securities related talk + porn.
jcpham: porn eh
dub: by containing rational discussion it is set apart from any other bitcoin forum
keith_hanson: mircea_popescu: haha, nice. I gave the website a shot, but... you have to admit, it's pretty light on any sort of information :P
mircea_popescu: yeah kakobrekla is a lover not a writer.
keith_hanson: dub: Well, so far so good then :P
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 44.86994706 / 48.55677484 (no shares, 9,470.06 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: 39$ btc on btc-e
mircea_popescu: risk discount ?
ThickAssLaptop: sry guys, i hit the Buy $1m button by accident
mircea_popescu: dub why do you disparage reddit
ThickAssLaptop: my bad
mircea_popescu: ThickAssLaptop did it do anything ?
ThickAssLaptop: made price hit 45
dub: mircea_popescu: I don't pay much attention
mircea_popescu: fol > lol ftr.
ThickAssLaptop: looks like coinlabs ticker is not lagging
Chaang-Noi: the spread at btc-e is about $2 most of the time, but they get cash in via bitinstant, and that is fail
ThickAssLaptop: farting out loud?
Chaang-Noi: only way to get cash now is sell ltc for cash, lol
mircea_popescu: falling over
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi soo is ltc goingdown ?
keith_hanson: bitinstant was working for me a bit ago?
dub: are you folling at my expense?
Chaang-Noi: mo a but now yes, but its sill up 250% in 3 days
Chaang-Noi: fuck i cant type... mp yes, it is going down a bit now, but still well up
Chaang-Noi: 18.5 cents to 16 cents cuz cheap ass btc
mircea_popescu: dub it happens to me when ppl push 1mn buttons
Chaang-Noi: 39.5 still
mircea_popescu: still, it was 14 yest.
ThickAssLaptop: actually when i press it just tells me how many btc i wanna buy, 18889
Chaang-Noi: ltc was 7 cents on friday
ThickAssLaptop: and then they want my pph#
Chaang-Noi: i hold about 200k so im happy
ThickAssLaptop: i'm not even single
mircea_popescu: pph = Postpartum hemorrhage ?
ThickAssLaptop: youve got my number
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23924296 = 239.243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21423593 = 214.2359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19195264 = 191.9526 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: back to 43.. atleast i get to see it trade there :)
keith_hanson: I've never understood how people arbitrage across exchanges... doesn't the transfer of bitcoins from one account to the other take hours?
mircea_popescu: http://www.examiner.com/article/wash-state-bill-allows-police-to-search-students-without-parental-consent
mircea_popescu: that place srsly.
ThickAssLaptop: not hours
mircea_popescu: keith_hanson more like days.
mircea_popescu: also the fees.
mircea_popescu: so count two of us, i've never understood it either.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
ThickAssLaptop: unless you are transferring from BTCT
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.33624, Best ask: 43.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.65376, Last trade: 43.99000, 24 hour volume: 102601.01478656, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.14144
keith_hanson: BTCT?
ThickAssLaptop: sry its sorta a joke
ThickAssLaptop: btct.co
ThickAssLaptop: is an exchange
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the concern is that volume is still low
mircea_popescu: we've not seen it peak.
ThickAssLaptop: and they do manual withdrawals over like 5btc or so
keith_hanson: o.O
dub: I keep reading BCST instead of BTCT
dub: momentary WATing ensues
Chaang-Noi: yeah mo, im happy with anything over 25 really...
Chaang-Noi: mp i cant type for shit today...
ThickAssLaptop: i wanna buy in, but... shrug
error4733: 33 to 45$ in 6 days ???
dub: im waiting for $2 again
ThickAssLaptop: ;;asks 55
gribble: There are currently 16666.852 bitcoins offered at or under 55.0 USD, worth 807037.068585 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.2206 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 17 seconds
mircea_popescu: meanwhile... wtf. i thought it was 12th this week ?
mircea_popescu: where are the th!
ThickAssLaptop: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749417.28355 based on data since last change | 4789887.21932 based on data for last three days
ThickAssLaptop: supposedly they added a few TH at ozcoin
Chaang-Noi: asicminer is still kicking bfls ass:)
mircea_popescu: you know i suspect they've not been able to keep hash within 10% for six hour straight since the beginning of the month.
mircea_popescu: either their chips keep burning or software sucks or lots of overactive cats or wtf.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i have a dead fish in the fridge that's kicking bfl's ass.
ThickAssLaptop: lots of shaking things up to mask hashing for themselves
mircea_popescu: ThickAssLaptop wait wut ? it's asicminer's business model to mine for themsleves.
Chaang-Noi: i hope bfl fails just as hard
ThickAssLaptop: you know what i mean tho
Chaang-Noi: hope only 5% of bfls chips work:)
ThickAssLaptop: backroom hashig
ThickAssLaptop: n
mircea_popescu: hm
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 03:42:56 btce 1.1179 @ 39.53 USD
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't do THAT now would they ?
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 43.99000, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 42.50000, 24 hour volume: 103543.75360681, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.17722
ThickAssLaptop: i mean WHY would they to THAT?
error4733: 1.5$ spread lulz
Chaang-Noi: mp they own over half the company, i dont think they will cheat much...
mircea_popescu: error4733 looks like fiat supply problems
ThickAssLaptop: no way to know anyway
Chaang-Noi: he has like 60% he is going to be one rich motherfucker
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if it ever gets to s,mpoe sort of market cap then yes.
ThickAssLaptop: maybe he wants to be two rich motherfuckers
Chaang-Noi: assuming they get 10% of the coins in one year his 60% share is about 79k btc
Chaang-Noi: 3.5 million us dollars
Chaang-Noi: just 1 year, i doubt he will need to cheat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.955 = 1.91 BTC [-]
ThickAssLaptop: greed doesnt requir eneed
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.1921324 = 192.1324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2144312 = 214.4312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23945589 = 239.4559 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Sorry if I keep asking basic questions, but I'm taking you up on the intelligent discussion :P I get asked a lot where the value is coming from, and the only real answer I have is the "black market"/SR. Is that the general opinion or am I misinformed?
mircea_popescu: you are misinformed.
mircea_popescu: ;;google what are bitcoin market drivers
gribble: What are the Bitcoin market drivers ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/what-are-the-bitcoin-market-drivers/>; George Clooney roils the Bitcoin market | FT Alphaville: <http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2011/06/21/600441/george-clooney-roils-the-bitcoin-market/>; Bitcoin Exchange Scam – Bitcoins Are Now Worthless | NERDr.com: <http://nerdr.com (1 more message)
keith_hanson: Nice, thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: “It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.”
mircea_popescu: the us attorney general delivers.
mircea_popescu: afaik it wasn't possible, under the constitution.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.528 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe we're reading different copies.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5278 = 1.5834 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.526 = 2.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5252 = 1.0504 BTC [-]
ThickAssLaptop: thats regarding drones?
mircea_popescu: well, it's regarding weaseling
mircea_popescu: but was brought about by drone discussion.
ThickAssLaptop: yes, we would like the convenience of attacking you with robots, let's keep that option open
ThickAssLaptop: we also want to wiretap so we can listen to your reaction lol
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.004551 = 0.4551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00444446 = 0.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444444 = 4.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7000 @ 0.0044444 = 31.1108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 13031 @ 0.0044444 = 57.915 BTC [-]
ThickAssLaptop: bargain prices
dub: flushing the s.deuce
mircea_popescu: o hey
ThickAssLaptop: it's the ghost of the 1st tranche
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21475103 = 214.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23980148 = 239.8015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19242937 = 192.4294 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you suppose people are selling anything they can to get options funds ?
ThickAssLaptop: doesnt add up
mircea_popescu: yea indeed.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00568 = 0.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19340518 = 193.4052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2157941 = 215.7941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.24091935 = 240.9194 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 46.44009073 / 49.47150622 (no shares, 12,058.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: fun fact of the day : mpoe option book notional exposure passes 3mn usd.
mircea_popescu: this is more than the combined total of all venture capital taken in by all bitcoin ventures iirc.
ThickAssLaptop: but coinlab
mircea_popescu: they got like 500k neh ?
ThickAssLaptop: thats it?
mircea_popescu: afaik.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, just throwing that out there, see if anyone has better data.
ThickAssLaptop: how do get a deal with gox holding tht little
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 350 @ 0.00073 = 0.2555 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they maybe had really good collectible cards ?
Chaang-Noi: mp ltc back over 28 cents, crazy
mircea_popescu: rising tide raises all boats
mircea_popescu: or so ppl hope maybe
Chaang-Noi: yeah i dont know
Chaang-Noi: i thought it was way undervalued but this was one hell of a pop
mircea_popescu: 4x
ThickAssLaptop: not 28
ThickAssLaptop: 18
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5252 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin-is-not-some-50-or-100-it-is-100000-to-1000000/#comment-111758
mircea_popescu: lol poor falkvinge
Chaang-Noi: i posted that here an hour ago:)
mircea_popescu: i know. and i commented
mircea_popescu: and then passed it along
mircea_popescu: and now he's being stomped like "gtfo, old news" etc.
Chaang-Noi: im using it to troll /g/ on 4chan they think bitcoin is a scam
mircea_popescu: lol something bawful is in a fret too
mircea_popescu: kinda funny being internet's cool kids, by 185 degrees of magnitude
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2159899 = 215.9899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.24113267 = 241.1327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19358548 = 193.5855 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "the buyings shall continue until morale improves"
dub: lol something bawful
mircea_popescu: in other news, time for http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136254317934.jpg
Chaang-Noi: You don't have permission to access /dtng/c/src/136254317934.jpg on this server.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5251 = 7.8765 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32052146 if anyone wants to troll...
Chaang-Noi: . /g/ has been calling bitcoin a scam for years now... they missed the boat
mircea_popescu: "When is coinbase going to start selling bitcoins again? They've been "over their limit" for the past couple days."
mircea_popescu: heh.
Chaang-Noi: yeah.. its like the meme with fry holding the cash saying shut up and take my money...
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.03099, Best ask: 43.37291, Bid-ask spread: 0.34192, Last trade: 42.99000, 24 hour volume: 104489.74859354, 24 hour low: 36.91110, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.28010
ThickAssLaptop: ;;asks 69
gribble: There are currently 34857.932 bitcoins offered at or under 69.0 USD, worth 1979397.98148 USD in total. | Data vintage: 15.1042 seconds
mircea_popescu: so two button pushes
ThickAssLaptop: 69 is top
mircea_popescu: ThickAssLaptop 69 is bottom for thick ass.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 592 @ 0.21606942 = 127.9131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 785 @ 0.19365695 = 152.0207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 355 @ 0.24122141 = 85.6336 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and we're sold out.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 11 seconds
mircea_popescu: holy hell.
ThickAssLaptop: waiting forever for my deposit
mircea_popescu: ppl are wanting to buy options, i'm like... well i guess you might have sent it two hours ago but if it ain't confirmed it ain't confirmed.
mircea_popescu: the value of keeping your liquidity in the right places i guess.
ThickAssLaptop: indeed
mircea_popescu: this is officially the most exciting time of bitcoin i've ever lived.
Chaang-Noi: went to troll /g/ /g/ wants to buy... fuuuck what just happened....
dub: /g/ == ?
Chaang-Noi: ltc for the win, that is the fastness
Chaang-Noi: . /g/ on 4chan, said btc was a scam for years.. now they want to buy
Chaang-Noi: https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32052146
dub: yes, what is /g/
dub: no fucking way I am hitting 4chan from work
mircea_popescu: twink pron ?
mircea_popescu: g/ - Technology
dub: I was dude the other day with dog paw tattoo with TWINK under it, hope he never goes to teh states
mircea_popescu: why not ?
Chaang-Noi: yeah dont go to 4chan at work,... even the calm and mostly safe /g/
mircea_popescu: so eu stocks at 4 year high mark, dow is busting records
dub: he probbly doesnt know knwat twink means in teh states
mircea_popescu: btc goes up 50% in A DAY
dub: (its a brand name here)
mircea_popescu: clearly our idiotarian policymaker friends are doing things right.
Chaang-Noi: i get a truck, im happy
mircea_popescu: us inflation will be triple digit in 2013.
keith_hanson: being a web developer, I want to take mtgox and overhaul their UI. Their new mobile site is atrocious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00075 = 2.7 BTC [+]
dub: just make a new exchange, gox is going to self destruct in a week anyway
mircea_popescu: replace week with a few months
dub: I thought migration to coinlol happens on the 12th
ThickAssLaptop: nite
keith_hanson: mircea_popescu: uh, seriously? that's... concerning.
mircea_popescu: keith_hanson it is.
keith_hanson: mircea_popescu: What do you guys use then?
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.15000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 106697.45574715, 24 hour low: 36.93101, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.37604
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 45
gribble: There are currently 1236.3618 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 55413.0152492 USD in total. | Data vintage: 54.7067 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 12874.465 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 614113.730099 USD in total. | Data vintage: 64.7913 seconds
mircea_popescu: keith_hanson i don't use anything, not really buying.
mircea_popescu: when i do buy i use the otc.
keith_hanson: oh, wow. Didn't realize that existed :D
keith_hanson: I have learned more in an hour here than I have in months on reddit, bitcointalk, or any other web sources :P much appreciated
mircea_popescu: you're welcome
mircea_popescu: the otc system revolves around the wot, ask gribble about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 250 @ 0.12633113 = 31.5828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 6 @ 0.12633113 = 0.758 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 107173.30759404, 24 hour low: 37.01715, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.42137
Namworld: We're going skyhigh
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 75 @ 0.15734141 = 11.8006 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19207 @ 0.00075 = 14.4053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00450001 = 9 BTC [+]
Namworld: When people buy lots of options, usually a good time to buy S.MPOE
maximian: s.dice not so sky high
Namworld: Hmm, S.DICE going down down down
maximian: no buyers
Namworld: indeed, no buyers
maximian: there's a big fat ask there at 0.0047
maximian: that would have gone in a flash last week I think
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: that was before price skyrocketed
Namworld: Now everyone wants BTC in their hands
maximian: makes sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00450001 = 4.5 BTC [+]
dub: DT going on 'holiday' to italy
Chaang-Noi: crawling back up to 45...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0044444 = 0.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00300001 = 0.3 BTC [-]
dub: praps catchign up with his best buddy alberto
pizzaman1337: S.DICE trading at 0.00300001? gosh...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00450001 = 0.45 BTC [+]
dub: what is surprising about that?
pizzaman1337: huge drop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 863500 @ 0.00075 = 647.625 BTC [+]
Namworld: Only 100 traded that low
maximian: MPOE is in demand, on the other hand
Namworld: Of course, lots of options being traded
maximian: even though its divs performance is consistently worse than s.dice's
maximian: like way worse
maximian: it must be a confidence thing. perhaps people have little faith that s.dice will be around long term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175000 @ 0.00075 = 131.25 BTC [+]
Namworld: I guess if you consider MPEx's track record and long term, if people expect Bitcoins to become mainstream and MPEx to retain it's #1 position to trade assets...
dub: maximian: or that there won't be any more surprise share splits
Chaang-Noi: dice at .003? id buy at that price some...
Namworld: Well S.MPOE could dramatically improve with a majority of assets trading moving to MPEx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.0015 = 6 BTC [-]
dub: Namworld: why would htat affect s.mpe?
Chaang-Noi: asic miner is the next big hot trader i bet
maximian: actually, MP has regularly dumped mpoe shares as well, but he did it differently: he placed large asks well above the market price
maximian: so nobody cared
mircea_popescu: maximian actually more an attempt to keep it from bubbling up than anything.
maximian: evoorhees, on the other hand, sold way below market price for some crazy unfathomable reason, which was a big WTF
maximian: evoorhees could have done the same
mircea_popescu: i think the fact that mpoe/mpex can't have a lossy month for shareholders may be a factor.
dub: yes but he's an idiot
maximian: but oh well. it shook a lot of people's confidence.
Namworld: dub: fees?
mircea_popescu: if people are thinking "s.dice has consistantly been over EV" it may be a consideration.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh... it doesn't seem to account for the disparity.
dub: Namworld: I didn't know fees contributed to s.mpoe, its not just the options?
mircea_popescu: dub http://trilema.com/mpoe-february-2013-statement
mircea_popescu: Revenue from sales fee : 187.80380028 BTC (Total trade : 93`901.90014227 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Revenue from new accounts : 70 BTC
maximian: I think people know that mope is here to stay, but there's a lot of uncertainty around s.dice
maximian: and unfortunately, evoorhees is distracted with conferences and his other hobbies
mircea_popescu: maximian ironically enough s.mpoe shares were bought as low as 2k satoshi.
Namworld: no, fees, options, incorrect deposits, etc
dub: so they do
Namworld: It's all of MPEx's income, really
pigeons: lol incorrect deposits
mircea_popescu: ftr an incorrect deposit has yet to make it to shareholders. there was a grand total of like, 1 so far.
Namworld: good to know that people with enough BTC to trade on MPEx can manage not to screw up deposits.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, s.dice has so far paid ~50k satoshi per share in dividends to s.mpoe's ~2k
mircea_popescu: yet their marketcaps are like 2:1 in favour of s.mpoe
mircea_popescu: on a strictly dividend basis of accounting it's a huge gap.
maximian: it's a stark difference
mircea_popescu: so there must be other factors
mircea_popescu: course if you think about it, a corp that issues 10% divs a year is not automatically better than one that issues 3%
mircea_popescu: irl i mean
mircea_popescu: actually i'd be much surprised if the average retail investor could even tell you what dividend his portofolio paid
Namworld: Coca-Cola has low yearly yield.
maximian: not if everyone expects it to flame out early
Namworld: I think. Still great stock. Stable, very old company. Popular as ever.
mircea_popescu: maximian i guess maybe that's it, in spite of early explosive success people expect it to flame
mircea_popescu: or maybe not in spite.
Namworld: There's a few multinationals like that with low yield and high demand. Safety and stability are good to consider.
maximian: yep, high uncertainty over its future: can it maintain its market share, will evoorhees get arrested, etc
mircea_popescu: course there's another thing : on the strength of the book so far, s.mpoe could walk home with 20-30k btc.
mircea_popescu: motnh has barely started.
mircea_popescu: on the strength of the action so far, s.dice is ahead what, 2k yet ?
maximian: yeah, amazing
maximian: s.dice not doing so well so far this month, but that's to be expected now and then
mircea_popescu: so maybe that's what's driving prices really
maximian: nobody had a problem back in november when s.dice paid zero
mircea_popescu: the immediate outlook. "shot at 20-30k with no downside" vs "not so great, maybe 2k, maybe negative"
mircea_popescu: thus one goes 65 to 75 the other 62 to 45
mircea_popescu: maximian yeah but investor composition changed a lot, lots of pt holders,
mircea_popescu: lots of small holders
maximian: yep, I agree
mircea_popescu: those are always volatile
maximian: true
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00300001 / 0.0046852 / 0.00579999 (39585 shares, 185.46 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0058052 / 0.0063799 (554773 shares, 3,220.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00589794 / 0.007395 (6726620 shares, 39,673.22 BTC)
mircea_popescu: day's volume is 200 btc. that's not much really.
maximian: evoorhees has to get cracking and start promoting this thing again!
mircea_popescu: he was saying something about irl gambling deal.
mircea_popescu: course he's been saying that for a while
maximian: It wasn't clear that he was talking about s.dice, but it would be nice if he's hinting at an acquisition or partnership
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 44.15000, 24 hour volume: 108129.84604915, 24 hour low: 37.41306, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.54922
maximian: imo, the best case scenario for s.dice is an acquisition by a big player looking for a quick entrance into btcland
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 46852 * 40.55
gribble: 1899848.6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00075 = 13.425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 19 mn or so are certainly nothing for sometyhing like s,dice
mircea_popescu: so a deal will prolly be a nice payout for btc shareholders.
maximian: exactly
mircea_popescu: course, it has to happen first.
maximian: tremendous mindshare/brand awareness for a bargain price of 19-20m
mircea_popescu: but i can see erik reasonably walking away from anything under 100mn total
mircea_popescu: which you know... would be a 500% gain
maximian: yep, it's a possibility, and I believe he's the kind of guy who could pull it off.
pigeons: spam detected
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 500 @ 0.17591975 = 87.9599 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's pretty motivated to do it too.
mircea_popescu: no better way to showcase btc success than a successful exit for him.
mircea_popescu: coingenuity https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144611.msg1585748#msg1585748
Namworld: I think the current success would be shorting your BTC for USD
Namworld: Buy back later at a lower price
mircea_popescu: you can sell calls short which would be doing exactly that.
mircea_popescu: but it'd take a brave man.
Namworld: eh, none of that for me
mircea_popescu: I think 67117 is proxy pool. The hash output is always simillar to SLUSH's. SLUSH has 2.6% rejection rate -they obviusly proxy pooling. Still not real proof of working ASIC.
mircea_popescu: ouch
mircea_popescu: anyone rthat understands mining, how sensible is that ?
mircea_popescu: specifically, how traceable is hashing based on the reject rate ?
Namworld: network hashing is estimated based on blocks found...
mircea_popescu: no i mean
mircea_popescu: obviously i can set up a mining pool account and proxy other peoples mining there.
mircea_popescu: question is, can this be at all traced based on some qualities of the hash flux
Namworld: Not sure how it works.
Chaang-Noi: sales on gox slowed
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.12509, Bid-ask spread: 0.12509, Last trade: 43.66490, 24 hour volume: 108414.79454220, 24 hour low: 37.41306, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.57198
Namworld: about time it slowed a bit...
Chaang-Noi: yeah
mircea_popescu: 108k is some decent volume anyway
mircea_popescu: o hey, it occurs to me, this is the right time to get hacked right ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 45 @ 0.49100001 = 22.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4682 = 4.682 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4681 = 0.9362 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4674 = 0.9348 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.4511 = 8.1198 BTC [-]
aiball: mr. p. I'd say that's the biggest wild card at the moment - a high profile hack. your shit is safe right?
mircea_popescu: aiball as safe as i know how to make it.
aiball: do you know what's wrong with s.dice price? is this just a dollar based stock?
mircea_popescu: if you read history it's been discussed just hourish ago
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102181.msg1586172#msg1586172 lmao
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.63494 = 1.9048 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "If you're looking for a loan for Bitcoin Poker at Seals, let me know."
mircea_popescu: how does that work ? paid if the op wins only ?
mircea_popescu: "I notice there are some BTC bookies. So I thought I would help bettors win more bets. I began betting on sports back in December 2012 with a nice record so far. "
mircea_popescu: jumpin' jesus on a stick, three months is now a track record ;/
mircea_popescu: haha check this out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149496.msg1587971#msg1587971 the whale emerges.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 516 @ 0.00073315 = 0.3783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11784 @ 0.00073156 = 8.6207 BTC [-]
mod6: well -assets, its been an exciting day!
Chaang-Noi: :)
mod6: s.dice has had an interesting ride into divs, and even after... seems to be doing the inverse of what you would expect.
mircea_popescu: nn mod6
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 98 @ 0.00999 = 0.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00300002 = 0.3 BTC [-]
BitHub: its amazing the amount of amatures that i come across sometimes, they dont even have a business plan or anything and think they're going to land on an exchange or PT and be taken seriously?
Chaang-Noi: got security cams on my house, pretty need seeing my yard from my phone:)
Chaang-Noi: neat*
mod6: lol from your phone even 'eh?
mod6: BitHub: well, we all have to start somewhere.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, had no idea it could do that but hell, same price
BitHub: I know, i'm about 6 months old and i wouldn't even consider doing it yet
mod6: too many amatures not enough pros, too many bitches, not enough ho's...
Chaang-Noi: got 4 rotts to garud the house, neighbors start to fuck with the rotts... so i get video camerias to protect the rotts, fucking crazy
BitHub: i met this guy maybe a month into it? no business plan, its crazy
BitHub: no sales?
Chaang-Noi: and i need a truck for the rotts... cuz 4 large dogs are big... but its good cuz the rotts can gaurd the truck... fucking crazy
BitHub: how do you value your company without sales?
mod6: rotts are supposed to be awesome dogs.
Chaang-Noi: they are really good, have 3 females and a male, im breeding them
Chaang-Noi: ltc back to 20 cetns lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 270 @ 0.17776447 = 47.9964 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.0046 = 4.37 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bid is at .003 for dice ask is .0045? massive spread?
mircea_popescu: <mod6> too many amatures not enough pros, too many bitches, not enough ho's... << good one
mircea_popescu: it's spelled amateurs tho
mod6: eek! my bad.
mircea_popescu: i liked that line enough im now digging to find who the fuck came up with it
mircea_popescu: loverance ?
mod6: its an old ludacris song
mod6: lol and i mis-remembered how it goes
Chaang-Noi: who wants to be coinabul gets scammer tag? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.20;topicseen
Chaang-Noi: they cant send the silver cuz they will lose money
mod6: "i hate it when its too many niggas, not enough hoes, too many rookies, not enough pros!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4 @ 0.0046 = 0.0184 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 your mistaken version was better
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi he's not getting it what, are you kidding ?
eeeCurrencyDotCo: lookin for mah man Mircea!
Chaang-Noi: he is saying he cant give the silver because he would run out of money
Chaang-Noi: he admits the guy paid for it
Chaang-Noi: and coinibul fucked up on insurance...
mod6: coingenuity?! say it aint so!?
Chaang-Noi: how can someone who as been in btc land so long be so fucking poor?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00073156 = 0.597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1030 @ 0.00073043 = 0.7523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00073042 = 5.3021 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what i got from the digest was, customer paid, provider shipped, insurance blew up.
mircea_popescu: why's provider getting a scammer tag again ?
Chaang-Noi: fail to insure it correctly
mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?
Chaang-Noi: correct insurance was paid for but not recived
eeeCurrencyDotCo: Mircea, its' peter from eee - you sent me a link to chat with you here.
mircea_popescu: as in, they insured the wrong item ?
Chaang-Noi: if i send you a gold bar and tell you it is insured and you pay a fee for that, but it is not insured then its a scam
mircea_popescu: hello eeeCurrencyDotCo
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi but it was insured neh ?
Chaang-Noi: it seems they did not insure the item in the correct way, coinibul fucked up
Chaang-Noi: it was not insured correctly
mircea_popescu: what do you mean correctly ? like they insured the wrong item or soemthing ?
Chaang-Noi: if i ship you a gold bar, but insure a taco... its a scam
Chaang-Noi: the insureance company said the item was not insured even thought coinibal did pay a fee
mircea_popescu: so how's that on him lol.
Chaang-Noi: coinibul did not read the fine print
eeeCurrencyDotCo: :) (hi everybody) - I'm here for a specific reason, but I saw someone mention insurance. is there someone offering insurance on btc? I had ben contemplating getting my US license to offer to be an insurance broker and perhaps do somethng
mircea_popescu: if you give me a hundred bucks to give to mod6 for towing your car
mircea_popescu: and i give him 100 but he doesn't tow your car
mircea_popescu: well.., talk to mod6
Chaang-Noi: if i send you a car from thailand and insure it, but fine print says we dont insure cars whos fault is it?
mircea_popescu: haha that's ridiculous. so are they dropping that insurer now ?
Chaang-Noi: but mp i paid you a preiumuim to do the insurance for me...
Chaang-Noi: yes mp they did a differnt insurance company cuz turned out they did not have insurance
Chaang-Noi: they moved
mod6: i would guess yah, just change insuance co's and that should set it right.
Chaang-Noi: but coinibul still fucked up, the buyer is not at fault here
Chaang-Noi: well, one guy is out of 80 btc worht of silver
mircea_popescu: well for all you know buyer got the silver
eeeCurrencyDotCo: isn't the liability on the person with the implied or definitive contract?
mircea_popescu: i mean, these word against word things are difficult to break up
Chaang-Noi: package never arived
mod6: yeah :/
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi so the guy says
Chaang-Noi: they have tracking to priove buyer never got package
mircea_popescu: other guy says package was sent
Chaang-Noi: coinibul posted tracking number
mircea_popescu: um
eeeCurrencyDotCo: if you contract with person a and bring person b in to it, isnt the contract with person a, not b?
Chaang-Noi: conibul said it got lost in customs
mircea_popescu: so then wait. if package never arrived it's the post ?
Chaang-Noi: post or customs stole it, yeah
mircea_popescu: ah it's one of those
mircea_popescu: ya those never end up well.
mircea_popescu: still. customs should get the tag.
Chaang-Noi: so buy was like wtf, i want silver
Chaang-Noi: the coinibul was like sorry, silver not insured, fuck off
mircea_popescu: nobody insures against customs confiscations.
eeeCurrencyDotCo: ups just delivered a package today and left it with no sig - who should replace the loss? ups or the shipper?
Chaang-Noi: if there is insurance they need to cover it, but if it was sold as insured and not insured its a fucking scam
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why i am not in the business of delivering bullion to the retail postage market.
mircea_popescu: sucks for margins, sucks for operations, sucks all around.
Chaang-Noi: yeah... reading fine print help...
BitHub: yep
Chaang-Noi: but jesus he willl destroy his rep for 80 btc saying he has no money to give the guy silver,,, how can he be so poor and be in btc that long...
BitHub: need in house vaults
mod6: well, who knows dude.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi it's liability management
mircea_popescu: if he does this then he's going to have a rash of people trying it.
mircea_popescu: don't underestimate the interwebs slave culture.
Chaang-Noi: the buyer has proof he never got the shit...
mircea_popescu: people will do incredible things for pennies.
BitHub: i hope coinabul works it out :) seems like a good kind
Chaang-Noi: the buyer could not have scammed here
Chaang-Noi: i ordered from coinibul myself once, ill never do it again...
BitHub: but you two are like broooos
Chaang-Noi: and that was cuz he fucked my order up, not this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
eeeCurrencyDotCo: Mircea, when is a good time to come back and chat with you about setting up an exchange, or becoming a broker, or getting listed?
mod6: well, personally, i think its a cool business (many others think its pretty neat-o too), I hope he gets it squared away.
mircea_popescu: eeeCurrencyDotCo now is fine
mircea_popescu: you go /query mircea_popescu to talk in private.
BitHub: aww
eeeCurrencyDotCo: Thanks
mircea_popescu: lol is that the mtgox 1satoshi bot pushing the s.dice down ?
maximian: Hey, at least there's some action!
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136255249324.png "plz to insert buttcoinz"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0046 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mornin
mircea_popescu: what, you slept ?!
kakobrekla: myeah
kakobrekla: it sucks!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0046 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so runup to 45, retrace to 44, back for another go
kakobrekla: ;;stats
gribble: I have 16 registered users with 21 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
kakobrekla: no that u silly
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224491 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1300 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4775657.49997 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.33592
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.34351, Best ask: 44.68217, Bid-ask spread: 0.33866, Last trade: 44.68217, 24 hour volume: 105246.62244956, 24 hour low: 37.72771, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.78103
mircea_popescu: 16 users, that little ?>!
gribble: 1 BTC = 44.68217 U.S. dollars = 34.1999005 Euros
kakobrekla: damn.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla recall what you said about btc ?
mircea_popescu: YOU WERE WRONG. it's not 32, its 34.
kakobrekla: dunn o said a lot of stuff
kakobrekla: ah ah
mircea_popescu: :p
kakobrekla: :DD
kakobrekla: i said 33 then.
kakobrekla: close eh?
mircea_popescu: yeah lol
mircea_popescu: you should start a subscrtiption service.
kakobrekla: hahah
mircea_popescu: "i'ma go take a piss. by the time im back, btc is 1 ford escort per"
kakobrekla: :DDDDDD
mircea_popescu: then it turns true and everyone is "buy kakobrekla escorts"
kakobrekla: "and i havent pissed in a long while"
kakobrekla: lol
[\\\]: so when's the correction?
kakobrekla: you mean the 100$?
Chaang-Noi: after 125
kakobrekla: need to wait a bit more
mircea_popescu: [\\\] the way my book is loaded if we go back to 30 im'a be floating in a pond of btc
Chaang-Noi: fuuuuck 45.77
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.50000, Best ask: 44.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 45.77190, 24 hour volume: 105273.67523350, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.77190, 24 hour vwap: 40.95523
Chaang-Noi: lo wat?
kakobrekla: no, its hi wat.
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.50000, Best ask: 44.56634, Bid-ask spread: 0.06634, Last trade: 44.56634, 24 hour volume: 105176.47600550, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.77190, 24 hour vwap: 40.95719
Chaang-Noi: amphipod> Mar06 07:05:44 mtgox x221 1,000.0000 @ 4,319.05105821 JPY
Chaang-Noi: it was in yen
Chaang-Noi: lol fuck
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: ;;ticker yen
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
Namworld: ;;ticker JPY
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
Namworld: ;;ticker --JPY
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
Namworld: ;;ticker --currency JPY
gribble: BTCJPY ticker | Best bid: 4200.899, Best ask: 4292.351, Bid-ask spread: 91.45200, Last trade: 4371.772, 24 hour volume: 5026.74060167, 24 hour low: 3531.751, 24 hour high: 4371.772, 24 hour vwap: 4236.634
mod6: did i just see that right?
mod6: nearly hit 46
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.60001, Best ask: 44.94191, Bid-ask spread: 0.34190, Last trade: 44.51434, 24 hour volume: 105828.92739695, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.98000, 24 hour vwap: 41.05239
Chaang-Noi: in yen not usd
mod6: ;;asks 46
gribble: There are currently 573.51808 bitcoins offered at or under 46.0 USD, worth 26378.2569228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 69.3444 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it looks to me like mt gox is bidding this shit up...
mod6: o thats why
mod6: just only 573 to 46 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.50000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.5 = 10 BTC [-]
[\\\]: You know, I'm surprised people don't bring that up more
[\\\]: mtgox has a vested interest in having the price of bitcoin go up
mod6: Chaang-Noi: yeah
Chaang-Noi: no one cares
[\\\]: since they charge half their fees in btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 54 @ 0.00666 = 0.3596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 19 @ 0.0066 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: went from 12 to 45, now the public is buying... i dont give a fuck if it is gox or not, but i bet it is partly them...
kakobrekla: [\\\], depends on your settings
Chaang-Noi: you know the gox people are old timers who have a shit load of btc... lose some fiat, make massive gain in btc...
Chaang-Noi: i do that in ltc at time... pump and dump
mircea_popescu: [\\\] everyone does, tho.
mircea_popescu: the thing with btc is that it's useful worth 1 unit at a market cap < 1bn, and worth significantly more than 10 units at a market cap > 10bn
[\\\]: kakobrekla, what do you mean?
kakobrekla: [\\\] you can set it so fees are taken from fiat side only
[\\\]: yeah, but you still pay the same amount
kakobrekla: in dollars
[\\\]: they just take the equivalent amount in USD
kakobrekla: or whatever
Chaang-Noi: i quit?
[\\\]: it is still the same fee
kakobrekla: so it doesnt matter if btc goes up for them
kakobrekla: if they have ur dollars
[\\\]: taking a fee of .5% of a $30 btc vs a $5 btc
Chaang-Noi: if i have 1,000,000 btc and it costs me 1,000,000 fiat to move the price from $15 to $30 then i spend 1 million to get 15 million...
kakobrekla: ya but its 30 000 usd not 5 000 usd
[\\\]: that isn't a yeah but
[\\\]: you're making my point
kakobrekla: you are moving more fiat
kakobrekla: ofc there will be more fee
[\\\]: regardless of how you express it, they're getting more USD
kakobrekla: halooo
[\\\]: they're still moving the same amount of btc, why should the fee go up? ;)
kakobrekla: casuse its more dwollars
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:21:21 mtgox x62 414.2822 @ 45.90051627 USD
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:21:21 mtgox x66 532.4452 @ 4,387.21444939 JPY
Chaang-Noi: 946... maybe out of money?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.00568 = 0.0454 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.44733, Best ask: 45.68716, Bid-ask spread: 0.23983, Last trade: 45.44733, 24 hour volume: 106156.27636265, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.11371
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 45.68716 U.S. dollars = 34.8251848 Euros
Chaang-Noi: 46 lol almost
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.67000, Best ask: 45.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 45.98000, 24 hour volume: 106101.67272176, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.12159
Chaang-Noi: oh shit we killed 46 already
[\\\]: red bold text makes for easy reading: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75802.msg1589202#msg1589202
mircea_popescu: noway
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.67000, Best ask: 45.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 45.98000, 24 hour volume: 106146.37381511, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.12535
mircea_popescu: dude this needs to simmer down
mircea_popescu: i need to go shower, get laid, do human stuff
mircea_popescu: i can't be spending my days watching the screens ;/
Chaang-Noi: yeah i hear ya... girls dont like giving bjs when you look at charts...
Chaang-Noi: theymos has some tricky shit dealing with glbse and scammer tags
Chaang-Noi: he has to be careful or he will need to give him self a few lol
mircea_popescu: girls don't mind, that's what slavery was invented for.
mircea_popescu: however, i mind.
Chaang-Noi: i at this time do not have a slave.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.0035 = 0.3465 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 11272.36 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 542707.482662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
Chaang-Noi: at this rate we will be at $50 this time tomorrow
Chaang-Noi: oh shit, just found 5000 ltc i forgot about
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00100, Best ask: 46.41402, Bid-ask spread: 0.41302, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 107455.02852074, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.49000, 24 hour vwap: 41.24338
Namworld: bwuahahaha
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: ltc over 20 cetns too
Namworld: So that's a $1000 you just found
Chaang-Noi: i was checking old wallets
Chaang-Noi: i knew where it was, but i forgot it had coin in it
Chaang-Noi: thought id check cuz new hights...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005401 = 0.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0054 = 0.0162 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00502 = 0.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0053 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: dice trades for .0035 on exchange pt is .0054? lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 84 @ 0.65 = 54.6 BTC [-]
Namworld: PTs lag behind a bit.
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:48:37 bitfloor 6.3606 @ 48.49 USD
Chaang-Noi: seems bullish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.43 = 2.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.425 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-]
Namworld: S.DICE on the other hand is going down the drain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.955 = 1.91 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: never thought it would last, shocked it did as well as it has
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sooo i just realised
mircea_popescu: mpoe bot traded ~30k calls today, + 10k or so puts
mircea_popescu: this is like a good fraction of mtgox's day.
Chaang-Noi: seems people are bullish eh?
mircea_popescu: way.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20199, Best ask: 46.83966, Bid-ask spread: 0.63767, Last trade: 46.90000, 24 hour volume: 108408.53715162, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 41.38489
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: apparently with good reason.
Chaang-Noi: yeah... its smart to buy up all the calls, then dump 10 million on gox....
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: not at all
Chaang-Noi: get tones of shit, sell back 10 million btc, at the much higher price, and do it again
Chaang-Noi: free money
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i explained that it's the insurance company's choice to insure any parcel...
coingenuity: :P
Chaang-Noi: man he never got his silver, you never gave it to him, end of stopry
coingenuity: incorrect 100%
Chaang-Noi: he got the silver/
Chaang-Noi: ?
Chaang-Noi: you need to post in the thread if he got the silver man...
coingenuity: he was given his silver, his country's goverment stole it, i was going to replace it until he wrote a script to annoy me
coingenuity: end of story
coingenuity: anyway, i can't talk with you, i'm eating dinner
Chaang-Noi: you failed to get him the silver
Chaang-Noi: your going to get killed in that thread man, just man up and pay it back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18460872 = 184.6087 BTC [+]
Namworld: Doesn't coinabul specify the user must research import laws for his country himself? If the silver/gold is seized at the customs, no coinabul's problem.
coingenuity: Namworld: yes, we do
Chaang-Noi: customs clearly will claim there was no silver... (as they stole it) its not like shipping to Austriala is illegal
coingenuity: Namworld: aside from insuring, and paying premiums on said insurance, for all parcels who's owners request it, we cannot do anything to change the minds of insurance companies nor governments...
coingenuity: (although we always do our best to try)
Chaang-Noi: you need to say on your website insured shipping does not imp[ly the shipping is insured and delivery is not guarranteed
Chaang-Noi: also 47... almost
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 3915.0774 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 183856.80088 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ahh nice wall on 47
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i'm going to ignore your instigation, insured shipping is insured
coingenuity: i have more important work to do than bicker about nothing with you
Chaang-Noi: you came here buddy
Chaang-Noi: best of luck
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: come back to me when you've contributed anything more than trolling to the bitcoin community as a whole...
coingenuity: anyway, /ignore
Chaang-Noi: oh slam, a scammer called me a troll, buuuurn :)
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i'm almost certain you've 1. ordered gold from me 2. had that gold delivered to you successfully
coingenuity: so yeah, really?
Chaang-Noi: yeah it took a month
Chaang-Noi: i felt cheated i needed it right away,
Chaang-Noi: you did not steal from me, but id never use you again...
Chaang-Noi: however i need that gold to sell for fiat and you fucked me over by taking forever
Chaang-Noi: and i lost a lot of value while waiting
Chaang-Noi: dont have have me on ignore? im going afk anyway
Chaang-Noi: 46.9 new ath,
Chaang-Noi: that small wall at 47 should slow us down a bit
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 2982.5833 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 140147.42823 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18488932 = 184.8893 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 3728.5372 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 175132.256038 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.0066 = 0.033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18548653 = 185.4865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.27 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18619661 = 186.1966 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.06200, Best ask: 46.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03800, Last trade: 46.10000, 24 hour volume: 109292.22019850, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 41.61645
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 47.44997453 / 50.14846327 (no shares, 13,996.17 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: over 50. this is historix.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 32 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18991695 = 189.917 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/291/bitcoin-over-50-by-march-13th/
mircea_popescu: put a bitcoin in teh oix!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.190908 = 190.908 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: ouch dice is dead
kakobrekla: nah
kakobrekla: some will pull out, sell the coin
kakobrekla: other people will buy the coins and put it back in
kakobrekla: just a shuffle
ZedsterX: has $45 really come and gone today
kakobrekla: i sold 100 for my father for 4670
ZedsterX: i am trying to buy a few :P
ZedsterX: only 42 on BTC-e just hard to get USD there
ZedsterX: hard to get them there fast at least
ZedsterX: well i did get em for 45
TradeFortress: ZedsterX, you can always just long it
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 245.37453 seconds
kakobrekla: lol
dub: it was 600 earlier
kakobrekla: no hardware can make up for bad code
dub: its retarded, pretty much random whether your order hits
kakobrekla: yes gox is retarded
kakobrekla: also stamp is retarded
kakobrekla: but just a little less
kakobrekla: or maybe even not that
kakobrekla: just the money is out quicker there
kakobrekla: sill no solid platform to trade btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 191 @ 0.00548 = 1.0467 BTC [+]
dub: market buy around 43.9 buys at 44.50
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.63494 BTC [-]
TradeFortress: woha
TradeFortress: sdiec bid is at IPO prices
TradeFortress: yet people are still buying it for 0.0052 on bf
TradeFortress: keep putting up bids on BF please
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]
Bowjob: meow
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.14403, Best ask: 46.47898, Bid-ask spread: 0.33495, Last trade: 46.14403, 24 hour volume: 105262.95331360, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.31133
Bowjob: holy titfuck
TradeFortress: morning!
TradeFortress: expect $50 tommorow when you wake up.
TradeFortress: mpex down or just me?
leotreasure: it looks down to me
TradeFortress: hmm yea so does downforeveryoneorjustme.com
leotreasure: must be a recent thing it was working not too long ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.00999 = 0.2498 BTC [+]
dub: try http://mpex.coinbr.com/
Bowjob: oh god
Bowjob: guys I won the bet.. LTC will reach 20cents
Bowjob: .. damj
Bowjob: I feel like I deserved a bit more coins
TradeFortress: dub, doesn't work.
dub: does for me
TradeFortress: 504 Gateway Time-out
TradeFortress: nginx
jurov: yep, none is working
jurov: like someone cooked their router again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.4 = 6.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Ooh
Bowjob: Look at Dice go
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: I got out just in time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00073198 = 5.2703 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]
jurov: interesting... mpex offline but it does report trades
jurov: at least mpex.coinbr.com works now
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 84 @ 0.00549 = 0.4612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I'll be a bro and give some of my friends an opportunity to buy BTC
Bowjob: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00549 = 0.0824 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lol wtf is this shit
kakobrekla: Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom
kakobrekla: #Megacard: I would love to create a #Bitcoin credit card! Who can help us make it happen? Email: twitter@kim.com
Bowjob: that ianbakewell is gonna get slaughtered
Bowjob: with 600 BTC loan
Namworld: ?
Bowjob: ian borrowed 600 BTC when they were 34 dollars each
Bowjob: btc-e is down
Namworld: For what purpose?
Namworld: I'm also borrowing BTC
Bowjob: shorting?
Bowjob: ,h,
Namworld: nah, I'll grab some S.DICE or stuff like that for my passthroughs while it's cheap.
Troic_: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
Troic_: !ticker h s.dice
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
kakobrekla: ask on bitstamp at 48 heh
Namworld: what's happening with MPEx?
fydel1: yeah..that's a good question
jurov: i don't know. at least the backend works
maximian: probably a DoS attack, happened a few weeks ago
Namworld: backend works... I guess the web interface is being updated
jurov: it's more complicated... http://mpex.coinbr.com is a proxy (accepts orders/stat, too)
jurov: and it works fine now (but it was not for a while, too)
mjr_: hi all
mjr_: whats up with mpex?
jurov: hello, no idea
jurov: coinbr works atm
mjr_: yep
jurov: cuz we access alternate mpex ip
mjr_: ah nice
jurov: but that can change anytime
mjr_: this is just crazy right now
kakobrekla: which part
mjr_: 46?
kakobrekla: a that
mjr_: so fast
mjr_: i bought the 41 calls as a long shot
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: apparently you shot accuratley on long distances
jurov: coinbr user support is becoming fun. got another email "i bought C37Ts, now i'm selling and nobody wants them, help!"
jurov: explained to him how to click Exercise link right on dashboard...
jurov: but looks like thay sold in meantime anyway
jurov: whale gobbled everything
jurov: looks like we need to create MPOE Emergency Relief fund
jurov: or MP can start selling extraordinary mpoe bonds
mjr_: troubled asset relief?
mjr_: why would he sell or exercise now? there is like 21 days left...
jurov: he did not explain.. seems he didn't know what he's doing
kakobrekla: http://jezus.si:81/render?target=bitcoin.*.transactions&height=500&width=1100&lineMode=connected
kakobrekla: kinda interesting
jurov: Oo bitstamp is at 48? time to sell a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.51 = 3.06 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/AAPO3vk.png
kakobrekla: i asked that question a week or so ago
kakobrekla: no answer in this chan
kakobrekla: thought we had smart ppl here.
jurov: Rule 1. We do not know what is paypal
jurov: Rule 2. Even if we know, we never speak about it.
kakobrekla: shit, might add that to the bitcoin-assets.com
kakobrekla: cause i herd its useless
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 5140.5779 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 240829.255427 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids-35
gribble: Error: "bids-35" is not a valid command.
jurov: bitcoin-central at 38.5 , bitstamp at 47, lol
jurov: must do something about
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.42009, Best ask: 45.42019, Bid-ask spread: 0.00010, Last trade: 45.42021, 24 hour volume: 99525.39008012, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.60348
Bowjob: crash
jurov: ooooh the btccentral price is in eur.. even moar intriguing
Bowjob: see you at single digits
jurov: ;;bc,convert,eur
gribble: Error: "bc,convert,eur" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 45.39100 U.S. dollars = 34.761066 Euros
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.00549 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Alt link for mpex? Getting ddosed?
jurov: Bugpowder, mpex.coinbr.com
Bugpowder: Tx
Bugpowder: Wow .003
Bowjob: whats 0.003
Bugpowder: Sdice
Bowjob: ah
Bowjob: ive seen it coming, really
Bugpowder: I called it first
Bowjob: the dice is just worth as the month's volume
Bowjob: well, I got out of the dice just in time lolz
Bowjob: someone gave away over 300 BTC last night
Bowjob: that was delicious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
Bowjob: also bug
Bowjob: you were like.. dice is safe now, get back in
Bowjob: i remember :P
Bowjob: the overall profit doesnt really matter to a new shareholder
Bowjob: its that month that matters
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowder: Whatever
Bugpowder: It will bounce from here
Bugpowder: Or near hear
Bugpowder: Might take a few weeks
Bugpowder: I will wait
kakobrekla: techical support at 2.50 mBTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.38 = 2.66 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 375 @ 0.19683239 = 73.8121 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ian was right to short dice it seems
Bowjob: shorting is such a ballsy move it scares me
kakobrekla: did i mention this here before,
kakobrekla: i am sure that he bitstamp owners
kakobrekla: do not use bitstamp.
kakobrekla: he=the
Bowjob: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19oiht/rbitcoin_lets_share_with_those_in_need_for_every/
Bowjob: Damn
jurov: kakobrekla and now what should i think about that?
Bowjob: I was posting this link last night anyone got their bitcoins
kakobrekla: i dont know, they are idiots
jurov: judging from long-standing fee bugs i hear about, it may be as well true
jurov: or they fear to fix it cuz they have no unit tests
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00073247 = 1.4283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11303 @ 0.00074548 = 8.4262 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 4711.5328 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 220954.276368 USD in total. | Data vintage: 115.7926 seconds
jurov: sigh. i have updated the coinbr engine to use mpex track code, all fine and dandy
kakobrekla: the problem is most of bitcoins users are idiots as well
kakobrekla: to it goes along just fine.
jurov: but now the unit tests must be fixed. and that's much bigger task
jurov: and new ones added for the "track used/track not used" cases
Bowjob: http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/UqYgqRy
jurov: dis wrong. bitcoin is always mean.
kakobrekla: yes we are at the first selloff
kakobrekla: or something
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00073204 = 11.8905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1144 @ 0.00073198 = 0.8374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5063 @ 0.0007313 = 3.7026 BTC [-]
Bowjob: actually were in the take off phase
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20000, Best ask: 46.48800, Bid-ask spread: 0.28800, Last trade: 46.20000, 24 hour volume: 99179.19073160, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.70440
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/SilkRoadDrugs/status/309238128097517568
thestringpuller: wtf is this shit
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
thestringpuller: give me the option index dammit!!!!!
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
jurov: !ticker m OIX^
Guest98560: 47.45
assbot: Some are born to endless night.
jurov: i guess assbot fails to access the website
jurov: although it reports trades fine, dunno
assbot: Nope, some are just born to endless night.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.23825, Best ask: 46.33559, Bid-ask spread: 0.09734, Last trade: 46.23824, 24 hour volume: 99397.65043641, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.72776
Bowjob: what do you know. i get richer just by fapping
Bowjob: hehe
jurov: url of webcam or didnt happen
kakobrekla: here, to help you whore out http://www.cam4btc.com/
jurov: unittests hacking brings nostalgia "Your order to BUY 1 O.BTCUSD.C110T @0.20000000BTC each has been received and will be processed."
jurov: going even deeper "Your order to BUY 2 O.BTCUSD.P040T @0.00014536BTC each has been received" now they don't exist lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.37 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8891 @ 0.0007313 = 6.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5356 @ 0.0007313 = 3.9168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00414309 = 1.2429 BTC [+]
gesell: mpex down?
jurov: gesell yes, use mpex.coinbr.com
jurov: we bought it
gesell: what tha
gesell: you what
gesell: ?
gesell: what happened to the vps that used to be on mpex?
gesell: or was there?
gesell: thought bitvps was there
jurov: yup. went yest to timisoara and bought mpex, for a few lines of blow
TomServo: PsychoticBoy: Never hacked I think... he reported a DDOS outage a while back I believe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 989 @ 0.0007313 = 0.7233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00072769 = 2.6925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 985 @ 0.00072612 = 0.7152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00072378 = 5.5369 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: lol jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00071218 = 6.4452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00071077 = 1.1017 BTC [-]
gesell: jurov: this is insane
jurov: gesell, you actually believe it? btw, i have picked up few nifty asic rigs en route in budapetst
ZedsterX: stop now!
ZedsterX: send me one
gesell: btw, just posted this on redit but... pretty ascii graphs with: curl -s "http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxEUR&start=`date -v-1H +%s`" | gnuplot -e 'set datafile separator ","; set xdata time; set timefmt "%s"; unset key; set format x "%H%M"; set parametric; set y2tics; set tics nomirror out; set y2tics format "%.2f"; unset mxtics; set border 9; unset my2tics; unset ytics; set xtics scale 0; set term dumb; plot "-" using
jurov: bah... i'm owning btc now, u think i'll just send someone somethig?
gesell: jurov: sorry yeah i havent been in this room in a while so getting used to the troll factor again ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 1 @ 0.90910719 BTC
Guest98560: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
Guest98560: assbot feed donw :(
ThickAsThieves: ayo! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1590335#msg1590335
BitHub: is there an official asicminer room here?
BitHub: i'm in #asicminer btw
ThickAsThieves: this is better than an asicminer room
jurov: we have anything "official" in bitcoinland?
kakobrekla: this is officially official bitcoin chan
pigeons: nice padded walls
BitHub: hehe yeah this room is better
BitHub: more info
jurov: official with Slightly Smoky Dragon and Double Cherry Truck insignia
pigeons: i can't get the only service that has never been hacked to come up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
BitHub: its been hacked
maximian: http://mpex.coinbr.com/
maximian: proxy site
maximian: the front end http server is down, not the MPEX backend
ZedsterX: i told him to put yet on the end of his never been hacked sentence
Chaang-Noi: asic miner payment incoming :)
Chaang-Noi: i assume
Chaang-Noi: cuz testpaymesnt, oh i cant wait, muhahahah biiig money
BitHub: correcto :)
BitHub: its exciting ^_^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.381 = 2.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.3801 = 3.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]
error4733: hello, maybe the question was asked 10.000time but MPEX down ? :/
ZedsterX: topic should be changed here maybe
ZedsterX: but http://mpex.coinbr.com/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00070613 = 10.0977 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: try that
error4733: it'a clone where you scam my gpg order ?
error4733: ;)
error4733: thanks
ZedsterX: nah the front of the server is down
ZedsterX: he is renting the host :)
ZedsterX: so they say
error4733: why down ? attack ?
ZedsterX: thats only what i hear
pigeons: never!
ZedsterX: never!
error4733: to much porn on server ?
ZedsterX: MP spreads way too luv for that
error4733: haha thanks for this morning joke, need it
BitHub: think the cia kidnapped mircea again
jurov: then prolly the domain would be seized
kakobrekla: must be the dns cache
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.46899999 = 0.938 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.469 = 2.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.46999999 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.47 = 4.7 BTC [+]
BitHub: i think i'm getting the same amount of jah mining divs than i would at asicminer shares at 0.65 hah
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu got on bitinstants case but mpex is down
BitHub: anyone else finding that?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu we summon thee!
thestringpuller: he took the money and ran
thestringpuller: mpex is scam after al
thestringpuller: all
thestringpuller: waaah
thestringpuller: waaah
thestringpuller: lol
smickles: thestringpuller: i owe you some monies :)
Ukto: smickles!
smickles: anduck too, if he's around
jurov: oh hi smickles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00070613 = 2.3302 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: smickles returns, does he return with news of a second born?
mjr_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.77107, Best ask: 46.78122, Bid-ask spread: 0.01015, Last trade: 46.77107, 24 hour volume: 94579.93372571, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 43.05662
Guest98560: who
Bugpowdrr: he took it down cause he don't wanna sell anymore calls.
Bugpowdrr: 46.90
Chaang-Noi: mpex down?
Chaang-Noi: mp ran with the btc or hacked?
jurov: Chaang-Noi yes and no
DeaDTerra: wh yis mPEX down?
Chaang-Noi: :)
DeaDTerra: why is *
jurov: dunno
error4733: bug : haha
error4733: sooo much call sold last week !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069034 = 3.1065 BTC [-]
jurov: but the backend is working ( and proxied by mpex.coinbr.com ).. don't know why they can't move the domain elsewhere
jurov: or make any statement
unbalanced: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.37000000 / 0.49368267 / 0.59000000 (622 shares, 307.07061895 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.58757632 / 0.68950000 (1682 shares, 988.30336796 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.6373535 / 0.76500000 (10868 shares, 6926.75789072 BTC)
maximian: thanks for your proxy service jurov :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.401 = 4.01 BTC [-]
smickles: < thestringpuller> smickles returns, does he return with news of a second born? shouldn't be until mid-may
ThickAsThieves: mp went to go do "human" things a few hours ago
smickles: mpex is not down
smickles: use one of the proxies
thestringpuller: i know I was just trolling
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, i have excellent log-reading skills
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.94000, Best ask: 47.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 47.00000, 24 hour volume: 97426.47255291, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.00000, 24 hour vwap: 43.18923
Bugpowdrr: $47.50
unbalanced: !ticker mpex
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
jurov: smickles, I take it as you reading 3 weeks of this chan logs?
unbalanced: !ticker mpex sdice
Bugpowdrr: Selling into this rally
smickles: jurov: I
smickles: er,
Bugpowdrr: this pace is stupid
smickles: jurov: i'm trying
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
jurov: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
unbalanced: Thanks jurov
unbalanced: !ticker mpex s.dice
jurov: assbot got some malarkey
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.01700, Best ask: 47.30807, Bid-ask spread: 0.29107, Last trade: 47.01700, 24 hour volume: 98301.12712212, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.22614
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
Bowjob: lol
error4733: 50$ today, i put some champagne in the fridge
unbalanced: Where I can read logs of this channel so I ask 8% fewer stupid questions?
Bugpowdrr: parabolic top
Bowjob: heresy! off with your head!
Bugpowdrr: dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00414309 = 4.1431 BTC [+]
jurov: unbalanced, they aren't public afaik
smickles: unbalanced: you might have to log it yourself
Bugpowdrr: there is going to be a major pullback
unbalanced: ah thanks
Bugpowdrr: very very soon
Bowjob: lemme guess. you bought puts?
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowdrr: no
Bugpowdrr: not touching that shit
ThickAsThieves: there's a log somewhere online actually
ThickAsThieves: i stumbled on it at one point
Bowjob: there will be a major pullback..
Bowjob: upwards
Bowjob: :)
jurov: ThickAsThieves: complete? not just some pastebin?
ThickAsThieves: cant remember
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 100 @ 0.06498108 = 6.4981 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: 47 gone?
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.50001, Best ask: 47.58770, Bid-ask spread: 0.08769, Last trade: 47.49990, 24 hour volume: 98269.41406670, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.58770, 24 hour vwap: 43.23820
Chaang-Noi: man...
Chaang-Noi: insane
topace: !ticker h sdice
Bowjob: amazon partnered up with bitinstant
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.37000000 / 0.4917805 / 0.59000000 (635 shares, 312.28061895 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.58614358 / 0.68950000 (1695 shares, 993.51336796 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63707085 / 0.76500000 (10881 shares, 6931.96789072 BTC)
Bowjob: fun stuff
Bugpowdrr: fastcash4bitcoins is out
Bugpowdrr: of cash
Chaang-Noi: not shocked, i got 13k out of them at 35$
Bowjob: it was bitinstant actually
Bowjob: http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2013/03/06/2538174/bitpay-integrates-bitcoin-with.html
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: gg
Bowjob: .. and i kinda feel bad for dice owners
jurov: meh.. tomorrow it may change
Bugpowdrr: s.DICE will bounce
blu3gr1ffon: yeah, trance #4 will be dumped
maximian: don't worry about us - a bounce back is coming
blu3gr1ffon: and it will bounce down
blu3gr1ffon: although I like divs
blu3gr1ffon: just can I get them out before SEC finds a way to prosecute. :P
Bowjob: mhm.. it looks like an opportunity to arb s.dice at havelock
Bowjob: buy at 0.37, sell at 0,.46
Bowjob: rinse and repeat
jurov: then i'll hide evoorhees in my apt.. and won't be alone i guess
Bugpowdrr: The last bubble top was a $13 rise in one day
Bugpowdrr: then crash of $22 in 3 days
Bowjob: you should sell the btcs now if they are gonna crash
Bowjob: its very hard to predict the top
Bowjob: I tried to give away 1 BTC to a gaming website
Bowjob: I just got laughed at
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: gamefaqs..
Bowjob: bah
m0mchil: howdy... what's up with MPEX right now, DDoS or what?
Bugpowdrr: we are now up over $10 in the last 24 hours.
Bugpowdrr: mpex.coinbr.com
blu3gr1ffon: what are you trying to say Bugpowdrr ?
blu3gr1ffon: pAnIc!
Bugpowdrr: I'm trying to say that I'm am selling 25%
Bowjob: charities will accept more BTC.. there was a campaign last night about BTC
JWU42_: mpex down?
Bowjob: about $12000 was given away in BTC
Bugpowdrr: mpex.coinbr.com
Bowjob: to various charities, from $20-100 dollars ea
smickles: Bugpowdrr: so that was you buying puts at 31?
Bugpowdrr: uh?
Bugpowdrr: I don't remember
Bugpowdrr: I did
Bugpowdrr: a while ago
Bugpowdrr: but closed them
Bowjob: mpex seems down from here.
Bugpowdrr: at 28.5
Bowjob: does ddos count as a hack?
smickles: nop
smickles: not imo anyway
smickles: and it's not down, all the proxies are working
kakobrekla: does a nuke count as a slap on the wrist
smickles: so it's really just the one url which is down
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.51677, Best ask: 47.58770, Bid-ask spread: 0.07093, Last trade: 47.58770, 24 hour volume: 98083.19810957, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.75000, 24 hour vwap: 43.26076
imsaguy: is this where we panic?
ThickAsThieves: 48 soon
chmod755: imsaguy, no
imsaguy: seriously, one more person asking if mpex is down
chmod755: mpex has been hacked. hackers are dumping soon
imsaguy: I swear its a bunch of 12 y/o lemmings in bitcoin
chmod755: #fakenews
ZedsterX: someone change the subject onthe channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00414309 = 8.2862 BTC [+]
smickles: /topic mpex down, bitcoin to crash
imsaguy: why?
BitHub: mircea has been kidnapped
imsaguy: this is #bitcoin-assets, not ##mpex
chmod755: can i has $1,000,000 per BTC?
kakobrekla: imsaguy this is the shit.
jcpham: hi
smickles: chmod755: i have an interested buyer, but they want the usd first
jcpham: imsaguy are you buying all these coins
imsaguy: kakobrekla: urmom
imsaguy: jcpham, only some
chmod755: smickles, wat
pigeons: NO U
BitHub: why EskimoBob?
assbot: NO U
imsaguy: pigeons: did you find the i in team?
smickles: chmod755: nvm, bad joke
imsaguy: its hidden in the A hole
Bugpowdrr: imsaguy: My wife's girlfriends are buying no
Bugpowdrr: now
Bugpowdrr: Time to get out
jcpham: yes it is hidden in ther A hole!
imsaguy: Bugpowdrr: sounds for a kinky night
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.88000 U.S. dollars = 36.7375125 Euros
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 48
Bowjob: we are crashing
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 464.05826 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 22255.6760062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds
gribble: There are currently 9879.8201 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 489143.829799 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
Bowjob: upwards
Chaang-Noi: i kinda think we need a correction, then i read more news and im wow... so i dont know
Bowjob: yes this is the correction
Bugpowdrr: Cameras ready, prepare to crash
Bowjob: Bug. when
Bowjob: gimme a number
Bowjob: >:)
Chaang-Noi: before i thought we might correct to 20, now im pretty sure we wont go much under 30 if we get tht far down... :/
Bugpowdrr: 49.88 is the top
Bugpowdrr: maybe
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
smickles: I say the top is 51.33
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.00000, Best ask: 48.34801, Bid-ask spread: 0.34801, Last trade: 48.34801, 24 hour volume: 99201.77387837, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 48.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.35730
Chaang-Noi: wow
Bugpowdrr: I don't want to go over the FACTA limit :-P
Chaang-Noi: low 39, high 48.5
ThickAsThieves: no correction needed yet if we're on our way to 150 or such
Bowjob: Mentlegen, we are the new wealty elite
Bowjob: We need to focus on the bigger picture. Hookers and blow are gonna be so cheap for us.. real estate, ect
Bugpowdrr: $50k in foriegn account
Bowjob: How about we think of a way to help the world
Bugpowdrr: triggers facta issues
Bugpowdrr: $10k is FBAR reporting req
ThickAsThieves: we can help the world by telling them to buy more coins
Bowjob: it be hilarious if a small country's GDP would be like 10 BTC
Bugpowdrr: FATCA
Bugpowdrr: not FACTA sorry
Bugpowdrr: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Corporations/InformationforUSTaxpayers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 389 @ 0.00414309 = 1.6117 BTC [+]
Bugpowdrr: $4850
Bugpowdrr: $48.50
blu3gr1ffon: .001BTC is apparently not enough off TXN fee anymore, is it?
Bugpowdrr: Bunch of bubbleheads in here
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.005025 = 1.005 BTC [-]
Bugpowdrr: LOL
doctor_pullfinge: Bugpowdrr - since when (at what price) did you go negative?
Bugpowdrr: it's not so much the price
Bugpowdrr: as the RATE of increase
Bowjob: how can btc gain global traction if the blocksize limit is so small
Bugpowdrr: I am long term bullish
Bugpowdrr: but this is CLASSIC parabolic blow off top
error4733: prove it
doctor_pullfinge: classic as in the DOW?
unbalanced: EskimoBob: doesn't s.dice pay a lot to miners through fees?
Bowjob: sell 100% of your coins
Bowjob: do itt
ThickAsThieves: nothing classic about bitcoin
unbalanced: Or am I ill informed?
Bugpowdrr: well
Bugpowdrr: I'm putting my money where my mouth is here
doctor_pullfinge: me too FAZ
doctor_pullfinge: and BTC
Bugpowdrr: FAZ has way too much slippage
ThickAsThieves: will you eat your hat next week when price is 65?
Bugpowdrr: I will be VERY HAPPY if its $65 next week
Bowjob: bug, buy puts as well
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowdrr: Puts prices are being set at 43.57 right now!
Bugpowdrr: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 43.47
Bugpowdrr: 43.47
Bugpowdrr: so NO don't buy puts
Bowjob: if I sleep.. ill wake up to $50
Bugpowdrr: calls make sense if you think it will stay here for more than 24 hours
Bowjob: jeez
gribble: 1 BTC = 48.49800 U.S. dollars = 37.2116934 Euros
unbalanced: EskimoBob: Ah so the fee rate won't adjust somehow and if someone wants to buy a coffee with BTC the fees will be bigger than the coffee?
unbalanced: Just trying to grok all this, my head is spinning.
doctor_pullfinge: unbalanced - buy low sell high - ignore everything else
imsaguy: ACtually, the way things are trigger, it costs more in fees to buy a coffee than it does to buy a house
imsaguy: triggered*
imsaguy: small tx amounts require larger fees
imsaguy: your $5 coffee will cost more in fees than a $50k car
Bugpowdrr: bitcoin is not for coffee
Chaang-Noi: that is why LTC :)
imsaguy: Bugpowdrr: but currency
Bugpowdrr: its for shipments of coffee
Bugpowdrr: its not good for POS transactions
imsaguy: but currency
Bowjob: someone crash LTC please, I wanna buy in
Bugpowdrr: unless there is another frontend on it
Bugpowdrr: 48.70
jurov: Chaang-Noi: did LTC resolve the blocksize/fees problem intelligently? if not, stfu
Chaang-Noi: jurov they can do a significant more than btc yeah
unbalanced: Anyone have theories as to why this runup is so fast then? Is it driven by MPEX futures, or trader manipulation, or is this how the Fed kills BTC: it just buys them all?
jcpham: i'm willing to sell one bitcoin today for 50 bucks
jcpham: but only one
jurov: plus, ltc is still at 0.6, thrashing the hdd like hell
jurov: *version 0.6
doctor_pullfinge: unbalanced - Ashton Kutcher invested last week.
Chaang-Noi: i think the coinlab stuff, the amazon bitpay stuff, anme cheap, mega.. everything....
doctor_pullfinge: he's bigtime
Chaang-Noi: its all massive good news...
pigeons: what is "the amazon bitpay stuff"?
Chaang-Noi: pigeons http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2013/03/06/2538174/bitpay-integrates-bitcoin-with.html
pigeons: how is coinlab good news
unbalanced: doctor_pullfinge: hence someone's reference to 12yo's investing above?
Bugpowdrr: its possibly good news
Bugpowdrr: possible disaster
Chaang-Noi: coinlabs making it so walls treat people can pour in 1 billion or whatever of other peoples money to "invest"
BitHub: how much is expected from ASICMINER per share this div?
pigeons: will people outside of us still have access to the coinlab usd market?
Bowjob: yawn
Bowjob: see you guys at 50
Bowjob: oyasumi.
Chaang-Noi: pigeons i dont know.. but we need more than mt gox/coin lab anyway, let wall street have that, we can do our own...
pigeons: holy shit fort mill times
pigeons: i lived there no one else uses bitcoin there
Chaang-Noi: :)
Bugpowdrr: yah bitpay news sounds big
Chaang-Noi: i guess no one knew about it but me?
smickles: EskimoBob: it's a little less centrally controlled than usd tho
imsaguy: but is it?
Chaang-Noi: eskimoob i heard your mugs are cool, can i see a photo?
imsaguy: a handful of people make the rules that the rest of the network blindly follows
smickles: yeah, clients have to approve a change too
smickles: and clients are individuals
imsaguy: most people run unmodified clients
imsaguy: they are isheep
imsaguy: lemmings
Bugpowdrr: 48.80
smickles: well, i did say "a little"
smickles: i mean, i can't really oppose changes to the USD
jcpham: someone at the fortmill times is a nerd
smickles: but I can participate in a hard fork if things go sour
imsaguy: you could use euros
jcpham: hi smickles
Chaang-Noi: that is pretty big ass news.. how did they only have it?
jcpham: i need an accountant
jcpham: specificalyy an estate accountant
smickles: I have an accounting service
Chaang-Noi: eskimobob link to photos of your mugs? still ahve more to sell?
jcpham: i have a 24k check i want to keep
jcpham: and not deposit in abank
jcpham: how do i keep it for myself
jcpham: and not pay any to the government
smickles: jcpham: sounds like you want a lawyer first
jcpham: fudge
jcpham: the check is made out to my dead grandmother's estate
smickles: as an accountant in 'merica, i can't give legal advice
jcpham: you can't help me launder it?
Chaang-Noi: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitpay-integrates-bitcoin-with-fulfillment-by-amazoncom-2013-03-06
jcpham: that was both rhetorical and a joke
imsaguy: jcpham: who's the executor?
jcpham: me
smickles: jcpham: if you are trying to launder money, why not endorse the check to someone for bitcoins
Chaang-Noi: BitPay's integration with Amazon currently works with WordPress.com, the world's most popular web publishing software, and WooCommerce, a comprehensive eCommerce platform for WordPress.
smickles: send the coins through some mixers, and then buy wooden Austin,TX farmers market coins with the bitcoins
doctor_pullfinge: jcpham - USD cash way better for laundering
smickles: it's a fool-proof plan
jcpham: channel full of criminals
jcpham: i knew it
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: asicminer pay out already, i need sleep:)
unbalanced: EskimoBob: re: mpex has nothing to do with this, I didn't mean mpex's site issue today, I just meant does trading futures/options on mpex lead to more (less?) volatility in BTC?
imsaguy: asicminer doesn't pay until Thursday
imsaguy: its only Wednesday
imsaguy: derp
Chaang-Noi: op says wednesday....
imsaguy: Wednesday is 24 hours long
Chaang-Noi: he never said he was going to change it... derp
Ukto: there was a test payment earlier
imsaguy: not everyone is awake on your timezone
Chaang-Noi: wednesday in china is almost up...
Ukto: its 9:42 in the us tho
Ukto: 14ish hours until its fully gone
Bugpowdrr: So were to set the bids for the crash?
Bugpowdrr: $36?
Chaang-Noi: 36 seems fair
imsaguy: and now the thread has 300 people all saying they got 1 satoshi/share
imsaguy: lemmings!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if friedcat wants to pay on thursdays thats cool, but he should tell us:)
imsaguy: and you're right, the last payment was 4 hours ago last week
imsaguy: but considering not all the test payments have confirmed yet
imsaguy: I doubt he'll send the full amount
Chaang-Noi: lol
Chaang-Noi: he did not wait last time
imsaguy: yes he did
Chaang-Noi: he cant wait, somepeople wont ever confirm
imsaguy: they ere 5 hours apart
Chaang-Noi: 49!
imsaguy: confirmed by the blockchain twit
imsaguy: not by some lemming on the forum
Chaang-Noi: he waited some time, he did not wait for 100% of people to confirm
smickles: < imsaguy> Wednesday is 24 hours long << or 28, depending on how you count timezones
imsaguy: I didn't say he waited for people to confirm
imsaguy: I said he waited for the blockchain to confirm
Chaang-Noi: okay, im multi tasking, calm down
imsaguy: ok twit
Chaang-Noi: classy...
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 49
gribble: There are currently 420.09147 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 20573.7459579 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.0439 seconds
Bowjob: were rich
Chaang-Noi: i haz 5 btc! fuck yeah!
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.90000, Best ask: 48.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 48.90000, 24 hour volume: 98725.47056383, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.00000, 24 hour vwap: 43.52904
blu3gr1ffon: ;;goxlag
gribble: 176.105766 seconds
Chaang-Noi: 49.1
doctor_pullfinge: drink!
doctor_pullfinge: where's apex anyone have news on site being down?
doctor_pullfinge: mpex
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 8385.6763 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 416077.619858 USD in total. | Data vintage: 71.0702 seconds
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: weren't you here for that discussion?
doctor_pullfinge: I was not - not looking for a book, just has mp acknowledged anything
smickles: it's either that mircea's sex dungeon prisoners finally revolted, or use mpex.coinbr.com while mpex.co is down
smickles: mpex.coinbr.com is one of many proxies to the mpex backend, and since all you send is encrypted, it doesn't matter that you are sending info thru a third party
Chaang-Noi: Most Online Today: 1541. Most Online Ever: 3809 we have a long way to go :)
doctor_pullfinge: so, mp is sleeping. I'm not looking to make a trade, just worried about another pirate40 situation.
blu3gr1ffon: you should be, now'd be a good time to disappear.
blu3gr1ffon: but he has no need to.
imsaguy: smickles: good point (tz)
doctor_pullfinge: is coiner able to send trades through to the backend? I have a seat on the back end and STAT don't works
smickles: blu3gr1ffon: thing is, as long as the traders keep s.mpoe worth more than he would get by running with the money, he has a financial interest to stay
doctor_pullfinge: coinbr
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 49.999
gribble: There are currently 6264.6484 bitcoins offered at or under 49.999 USD, worth 310249.908414 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.1208 seconds
BitHub: did anyone see his post recently about thinking of retirement?
BitHub: eeeo
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: my stats are working tru mpex.coinbr.com
smickles: *thru
doctor_pullfinge: smickles - thanks - I feel better. Back to worrying about why s.dice is tanking.
Chaang-Noi: http://blockchain.info/ last two blocks... ooopsss
smickles: and what do you mean 'a seat on the backend', if you have a connection to the backend which isn't a proxy, why are you worried about the other proxies?
BitHub: people sick of s.dice?
BitHub: div was smaller
doctor_pullfinge: I paid the 30 btc for a seat directly on mpex. coin.br is a passthrough, so may be cacheing the info.
Ukto: i bought my sdice at or below 0.0044
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: i think you are a little confused here
Ukto: so im not that worried about it yet
doctor_pullfinge: I think the div was bigger in terms of USD, but mainly I think people spend x% of their USD based paycheck on s.dice. So, BTC dividend amount goes down
doctor_pullfinge: when price of btc goes up
smickles: coinbr is a broker (passthru, whatever) mpex.coinbr.com is a proxy to the backend system which is mpex
Ukto: besides, JAH is a better deal atm. daily divs at 10% or something, plus compounded earnings from reinvestment
BitHub: yeah the jah shares are crazy Ukto
smickles: you can send a STATJSON or whatever you want through that proxy
BitHub: seems to be better than ASICMINER atm
smickles: as if you sent it to mpex.co
doctor_pullfinge: thanks smickles. you cleared it up for me
smickles: glad to help :)
kakobrekla: JAH got asics or what
Ukto: i think by 30 days of jah its like a 15%+ monthly profit
BitHub: yeah he got asicminer shares
kakobrekla: a
Ukto: well worth over the .3
ThickAsThieves: random off-topic idea, skype and facebook should show squiggly underlines on mispelled words, could teach the masses so easily
BitHub: that's why div so good
smickles: ThickAsThieves: that's more of an OS issue, isn't it?
smickles: ThickAsThieves: I mean, nearly all text input fields on my compy do spelling correction
ThickAsThieves: facebook does?
ThickAsThieves: skype does?
ThickAsThieves: oh,
ThickAsThieves: i mean on the output
Ukto: btw, 6,345 asicminer shares confirmed by fridcat on G.ASICMINER-PT now
ThickAsThieves: so everyone can see
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, since pgp is used,coinbr has no way to tamper with your orders nor replies
Chaang-Noi: 6k wow
Ukto: thats just the confirmed
jurov: and as for caching, make sure to check signature date so it's aways different
Ukto: not including alot more pending in transit
jurov: for example
BitHub: yeah just recently
BitHub: really boring
Ukto: you dont play it for fun
Ukto: you play it for odds
doctor_pullfinge: I just went to coinbr and don't see any "last update" information. So I still think that could just be the last time that mpex was up.
error4733: 1.9 edge is nothing
error4733: so it's good for a gambler to pay there
Chaang-Noi: ceasssh
error4733: even if it's boring
smickles: coinbr != mpex.coinbr
blu3gr1ffon: I'm sending larger txn fees in the future.
BitHub: i might sell off some dice and buy up some jah instead
smickles: EskimoBob: how long of a history?
blu3gr1ffon: what's a good fee these days for sub 10 minute 6 confirmations?
BitHub: increase teh divs
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, since mpex didn't issue any statement, we don't have anything for an update
smickles: EskimoBob: i don't think anyone who is recording that info has mad it public
jurov: coinbr just runs the proxy alongside our broker interface
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.71000, Best ask: 48.71350, Bid-ask spread: 0.00350, Last trade: 48.71000, 24 hour volume: 98576.32628072, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.71889
error4733: in fact is not hacked, you can make order
Bugpowdrr: ;;goxlag
gribble: 353.26605 seconds
doctor_pullfinge: jurov - is the mpex back end down and mp not around?
smickles: http://imgur.com/JHhGmR0
smickles: what mpex looks like to me currently
jurov: doctor_pullfinge i don't know anything about mp... except he does have irc client opened, that's a good sign perhaps
smickles: (well, moments ago, anyway)
Bugpowdrr: getting goxxed
Bugpowdrr: order pending for 5 minutes
Ukto: ;;goxlag
gribble: 342.802364 seconds
doctor_pullfinge: but that's a pass-through page that might be cached from last night.
Ukto: not that bad :P
doctor_pullfinge: I agree this is not freak out time. I'm trying to understand what this mpex.coinbr.com thing really is.
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: not the thing that I screenshotted
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, scroll back to last trade by assbot, compare to the site
Ukto: Bugpowdrr: wait another 5 min, see if it goes through
Ukto: :P
blu3gr1ffon: that goxlag is thick
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.58643, Best ask: 48.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11357, Last trade: 48.90000, 24 hour volume: 97948.57311533, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.75867
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: it is pretty much a replication of mpex.co
Ukto: only over 5min
Diablo-D3: lol.
jurov: doctor_pullfinge it's a proxy that we sewt up after last ddos
smickles: the mpex frontend
smickles: and there are other proxies too
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.58643, Best ask: 48.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11357, Last trade: 48.70000, 24 hour volume: 97945.57336925, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.75887
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
thestringpuller: >:(
smickles: and "proxy" does not equal "passthrough"
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 453945.1459 USD and would take the last price down to 43.3310 USD, resulting in an average price of 45.3945 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 106.9176 seconds
Ukto: on CNN http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/technology/innovation/bitcoin/
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
smickles: thestringpuller: 7day OIX :
smickles: 47.45 (50.15 / 29.08)
smickles: 13`996.17 (87.2 / 12.8)
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2998627.3527 USD and would take the last price down to 16.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 29.9863 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0098 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4312499.9219 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.3125 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 23.1310 seconds
Bugpowdrr: still pending
gribble: 1 BTC = 48.71000 U.S. dollars = 37.3743574 Euros
Bugpowdrr: fuck it
Bugpowdrr: whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.45 = 2.7 BTC [+]
Ukto: cnn will drag in more bidders
smickles: cnn?
smickles: oooh
smickles: why is this cyber currency trading at an all time high?
smickles: pleas tell me steve hargreaves
jurov: doing test buy order for 123 S.DICE...
Bugpowdrr: ask is up!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 123 @ 0.0045 = 0.5535 BTC [+]
jurov: so, all is working except mpex.co website
error4733: smiclkles, you have to finish your taxreturn ?
smickles: jurov: but will doctor_pullfingr believe that assbot gets data from a reliable source?
jurov: smickles, doctor_pullfingr should pull fingers out of his ass and try it himself
doctor_pullfingr: doctor_pullfingr just needs a timestamp not a big deal. I can see the site, but assbot only shows HAVELOCK trades.
jurov: pardon the pun
jurov: doctor_pullfingr so you did a mpex trade like i just did and assbot did not show it?
jurov: nor http://mpex.coinbr.com/?mpsic=<asset> did?
jurov: it shows most recent trade in title
smickles: i saw assbot show it
smickles: 16:14 <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 123 @ 0.0045 = 0.5535 BTC [+]
smickles: which came shortly after "16:14 < jurov> doing test buy order for 123 S.DICE..."
doctor_pullfingr: sorry jurov - I see the assbot trade and the timestamp. I'll shut my mouth now and get to work. Fluorescent lighting awaits.
jurov: no problem ;)
Bugpowdrr: this is the top
doctor_pullfingr: again?
jcpham: "The U.S. dollar is an obvious Ponzi scheme," said Thomas, who thinks the U.S. government has too much debt to raise interest rates high enough to defend the dollar if there were ever a run on it. With Bitcoin, "you feel like you're in control of your money."
Bugpowdrr: darn
Bugpowdrr: gox was to sow
jcpham: last paragraph of that CNN article wins
Bugpowdrr: slow
smickles: jcpham: i was just about to quote that too
jcpham: http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/technology/innovation/bitcoin/
jcpham: it's nice
jcpham: to see it so bluntly
deadweasel: ;;goxlag
gribble: 310.220931 seconds
Bugpowdrr: god damn
Bugpowdrr: missed the top
deadweasel: me too
Bugpowdrr: too slow to change the order now
smickles: Bugpowdrr: at least they arn't running a CS server
Bugpowdrr: they are running a site that is trading $5MM in currency a day
deadweasel: srsly, get the servers together, have peak resources
deadweasel: this is stupid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00070427 = 8.6273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1326 @ 0.0007105 = 0.9421 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: that cnn article is a little retarded
ThickAsThieves: "Because the number of transactions and overall value of coins in circulation is relatively low, the currency is quite volatile -- it went from under $1 to over $28, then back to $7 in 2011 alone."
ThickAsThieves: one event means volatility in 2013?
Bugpowdrr: tanking
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35100, Best ask: 48.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.64900, Last trade: 47.35100, 24 hour volume: 97534.97841476, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.87966
Bugpowdrr: ;;goxlag
gribble: 690.899964 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ugh
Bugpowdrr: prepare for tankage
deadweasel: dafuq 45 minutes only at 5 confirmations, with .005 fee
smickles: deadweasel: the fee will only affect when it gets conf 1
Bugpowdrr: when those confirmations go thru, price is gonna drop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.0045 = 0.8505 BTC [+]
Bugpowdrr: why did I sell at 48 insteady of 47.99? why
deadweasel: smickles: I did not know that.
deadweasel: smickles: thank you
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: the example is a bad analogy, sure
imsaguy: give it time, there will be another tanking
Bugpowdrr: yesssss
Bugpowdrr: getting filled
imsaguy: how much of the tx volume today is the same coins being sent over and over?
jurov: "Mt. Gox found its operations hindered by its lack of proximity to the tech sector." lol now that's an excuse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00072389 = 1.8821 BTC [+]
imsaguy: mtgox was a hackjob originally trading magic cards
imsaguy: they always leave that part out
deadweasel: Magix; The Gatherings, online exchange
deadweasel: I fireballed your leviathan
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.75000 U.S. dollars = 36.6377657 Euros
jurov: i should ask mp about his "proximity to the tech sector"
jurov: or evoorhees
jurov: or eskimobob lmao
imsaguy: I'm sure mp is fairly proximal to the tech 'sector' right now ;)
mircea_popescu: hi all.
mircea_popescu: if you're having trouble loading trilema, please flush your dns.
mjr_: yay
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, mpex,co is being ddosed by someone too stupid to know that doesn't work.
ZedsterX: i never load it no problem
mircea_popescu: use the various proxies, such as
ZedsterX: :)
error4733: hi mp
smickles: damn, i thought your sexdungeon revolted
mod6_: smickles!
smickles: mod6: hiya, sorry for being away
smickles: hug? \o/
imsaguy: smickles: \0/
smickles: aww
mircea_popescu: mpex.5gbfree.com mpex.host56.com mpex.coinbr.com etc
mircea_popescu: whoa smickles in da house ?!
mircea_popescu: when did you get out ?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: load up a free instance of amazon?
Guest60737: smickles: glad u stopped back in. :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: earlier today
mircea_popescu: imsaguy yeah, i got a few of those too
kakobrekla: 5gbfree dont work
Guest60737: bah.. its "mod6" -- gotta reauth
imsaguy: Guest60737: you know about /ns release, right?
smickles: lol, EskimoBob, you troll https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1590968#msg1590968
mircea_popescu: smickles so is it a boy or a girl ?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: tabloids say girl ;)
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, well, it's a boy, and he is expected to come mid may
deadweasel: it's a bitbaby
Bugpowdrr: FILLED
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: i thought you got in early.
Guest60737: imsaguy: ya. working on those things now with ns & grib
smickles: ;;seen anduck
gribble: anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Anduck> uhh
imsaguy: oh, anduck said I was supposed to hold his coins
mircea_popescu: also http://pastebin.com/xfSBf759
mircea_popescu: for future records
imsaguy: he said I could have them forever
Chaang-Noi: nothing from asicminer yet, hmm
imsaguy: scammertag!
Chaang-Noi: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 46 seconds
jcpham: for the bears: http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/7761841-patrik-korda/1616371-bitcoin-bubble-2-0
imsaguy: their test tx still hasn't confirmed
Chaang-Noi: yeah, why would they need to wait though?
imsaguy: just goes to show that sending a bunch of microdust without paying a respectible fee is silly
smickles: imsaguy: lol
imsaguy: estimated btc transacted: .00023055
smickles: ;;later tell anduck pm or email me when you get a chance
gribble: The operation succeeded.
imsaguy: fees: .0005
imsaguy: asicminer full payment just hit
Chaang-Noi: just got it
mod6: (08:48) < smickles> mircea_popescu: heh, well, it's a boy, and he is expected to come mid may << Nice! It's getting closer. :]
DeaDTerra: yay
DeaDTerra: dividend received
imsaguy: less than the first
imsaguy: as expected :)
Chaang-Noi: i bought more shares so got more:)
Chaang-Noi: im going to try and guess and see their mining rate...
imsaguy: that doesn't make the dividend per share go up
smickles: mod6: indeed, and the first one is starting to walk around
mircea_popescu: also everyone's deposits/withdrawals flushed.
mod6: smickles: thats awesome man. :)
jcpham: The myopic are extrapolating the price trend of the past three months, which they deem is normal, and in so doing they exacerbate it to the upside, thus attracting even greater fools. The inflection point will come when the continuity of bullish thought is broken, which could be anywhere between $49/bc to $69/bc. One thing is for sure, the amount of suckers left who are willing to jump on the moving and ever accelerating train is drawing thin,
jcpham: and so are their pockets.
mircea_popescu: jcpham ftr the oix totally called the 50.
Chaang-Noi: 0.01916298 per share
imsaguy: jcpham: where'd you copy and paste that from?
ThickAsThieves: didnt i say top was 69?
imsaguy: so now they're up to .06/share
jcpham: http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/7761841-patrik-korda/1616371-bitcoin-bubble-2-0
Chaang-Noi: 3832.596 paid out...
jcpham: LONG READ
jcpham: bring a lunch
imsaguy: once it hits .1, divs will halve
jurov: mircea_popescu dunno where would the oix be if calls were available throughout
mircea_popescu: jurov thing is a certain strike can't push it past a certain level
Chaang-Noi: okay so they ahve about 15% of the weekly coins...
mircea_popescu: you know what i mean ?
Chaang-Noi: 36th x .15 = about 5.4
Chaang-Noi: hmmm... about expected, i guess tehy are not solomining
Chaang-Noi: imsaguy less tha halve, 20% or so will aslo be collected for new hardware
Chaang-Noi: so we will get like 40% of what they mine...
Chaang-Noi: imsaguy how did you get .06 per share?
Chaang-Noi: buying more asics means more coins... and a company worth more.. cant just look at dividends
imsaguy: the first dividend was like .03x
Chaang-Noi: PsycoticBoy if we take the 40% of todays dividends and x 52 we get .416 pretty damn solid
smickles: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin%2C%20mainstream&cmpt=q
imsaguy: the second was .02x
imsaguy: I rounded
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
Chaang-Noi: ok
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.61000, Best ask: 47.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 47.77175, 24 hour volume: 99687.93083192, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.99952
smickles: look, there is a corelated rise of "mainstream" with the recent rise in "bitcoin"
Chaang-Noi: i think first was .2x and second .19x
Chaang-Noi: i see this stock being worth .5 easy, and much much more if bfl fail
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21046328 = 210.4633 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q lol at related terms
mod6: lol "bitcoin bitcoin bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: so how's the drama today ?
Chaang-Noi: drama?
ThickAsThieves: it's waiting
jurov: it's about to fall any minute purportedly
mircea_popescu: a ok
Chaang-Noi: what are you guys talking about?
mod6: mp: thanks for getting http://mpex.5gbfree.com/ up so quick
mircea_popescu: Mar 06 07:58:51 <mircea_popescu> o hey, it occurs to me, this is the right time to get hacked right ?
mircea_popescu: le lol.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it was up from before tho
jurov: oh and how is your proximity to the tech sector today, mircea?
mircea_popescu: i did nuffin
mod6: ah! didn't know that
mircea_popescu: mod6 was a ddos back in jan, set up the entire proxy structure then. that's when jurov made his, i think smickles has one too
mircea_popescu: buncha them
deadweasel: ;;goxlag
gribble: 75.495775 seconds
mircea_popescu: jurov my who ?!
jcpham: apparently i pasted a one liner in -otc and stopped someone from dropping 50k from a BoA from their cell phone on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: o rly ? cool.
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's the only thing i remembered from http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/technology/innovation/bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: im just grepping this log for "hacked" atm, it's loads of fun
jcpham: "Rising asset prices create euphoria, and euphoria significantly drops the IQ of the participants."
mircea_popescu: liek Mar 06 16:13:53 <pigeons> i can't get the only service that has never been hacked to come up
mircea_popescu: jcpham i dunno about that. euphoria makes me sharper.
jcpham: i'm pretty sharp
jcpham: pissed off or happy
mircea_popescu: you're like a cheddar
Chilca: It's mpex working?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt call it work
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: Chilca it's always been working!
Chilca: mircea_popescu: maybe is something wrong in my notebook
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: is mpex down?
mircea_popescu: Chilca there's a pretty dumb ddos going on the main domain. but you can use any of the proxies jsut fine
mircea_popescu: imsaguy no.
notimsaguy: mircea_popescu: is mpex down?
jurov: no sorry, the proximity gem was here: http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/technology/innovation/bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: lol wtf
smickles: guys, I think mpex is down
imsaguy: Can anyone get to mpex?
jurov: i can
Chilca: I can't
imsaguy: I heard mpex got hacked
ThickAsThieves: "The U.S. dollar is an obvious Ponzi scheme," said Thomas, who thinks the U.S. government has too much debt to raise interest rates high enough to defend the dollar if there were ever a run on it. With Bitcoin, "you feel like you're in control of your money."
imsaguy: the cia probably did it
ThickAsThieves: ...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21064341 = 210.6434 BTC [+]
Chilca: urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 60] Operation timed out>
mircea_popescu: ya totally down
mircea_popescu: also trading.
mircea_popescu: SINGULARITY
smickles: I just knew the sec would get to mpex sooner or later
assbot: imma gonna start banning
jurov: oh and i almost convinced a dude that coinbr bought mpex
mircea_popescu: Chilca : use something like mpex.coinbr.com to connect
Chaang-Noi: assbot :)
ThickAsThieves: why is assbot angry?
smickles: jurov: you could've too
ThickAsThieves: caps?
mircea_popescu: jurov lol
mircea_popescu: watch the guy post scamtag request on you now.
Chilca: That's work
Chilca: and with ./mpex.py ?
jurov: edit the url in source
mircea_popescu: yeah edit the url to a proxy
mircea_popescu: then edit it back
imsaguy: assbot: did you know that mpex is down?
mircea_popescu: and forth
mircea_popescu: and faster
mircea_popescu: slower
mircea_popescu: right there
mircea_popescu: aaahhh
kakobrekla: caffeine or cocaine?
jurov: you know i was yest in timisoara and bough some fine asics in budapest en route, that announcement raised some eyebrows, too
mircea_popescu: this before or after you fucked that giraffe ?
jurov: can't remember zactly
mod6: jurov must be tall to fuck a giraffe, or he likes to fuck on a ladder. ;)
mircea_popescu: guy got totally plastered, hitched it with the zoo inventory.
mircea_popescu: mod6 when you're hung like a snake gotta do what you gotta do.
mod6: hahah
mircea_popescu: neck has to be long enough or else you dip your tip in acid.
Chilca: Thanks
mod6: ah! i'll have to keep that in mind.
mod6: lol
jurov: yea, without mircea's expert advice, that would've ended badly
mircea_popescu: my host guy is like "you know we nullrooted some stuff"
mircea_popescu: i'm like "yea, whatever"
mircea_popescu: he's like "o.o"
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 10 @ 0.00062096 = 0.0062 BTC
mod6: heh, i nullroute stuff all the time
mod6: abuse? to the blackhole you go!
mircea_popescu: mod6 how often do customers go "mmkay"
jurov: like "nono no nullroutes, i have important businss in nigeria"
Chaang-Noi: night guy
Chaang-Noi: guys*
iz: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35500, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14500, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 101716.35730182, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.12712
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: 91.606923 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 53 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00072389 = 14.9845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21125709 = 211.2571 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;when does bfl deliver
gribble: Error: "when" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: right-o
mircea_popescu: btw, wtf is with the longass blocks
ThickAsThieves: scam detected
Chaang-Noi: mp 4 to 6 weeks
jurov: !when does bfl deliver
jurov: watch out
assbot: fuck you.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i think that's when inaba gets his period
jurov: right on the money
mircea_popescu: i was asking more about the rigs
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-]
mod6: hmm
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-] nice :)
Rick_: When can i use mpex.co?
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/9fBZl3m.png
smickles: Rick_: as soon as you can type mpex.coinbr.com
smickles: Rick_: full story and other proxies at http://pastebin.com/xfSBf759
mod6: (09:20) < mircea_popescu> mod6 how often do customers go "mmkay" << haha, 0. the one guy I do a actual website for doesn't give a shit since he cuts down trees for a living lol
Rick_: cant open http://pastebin.com/xfSBf759 eaither
mod6: im like, "russian hackers are fucking with the site so i tossed their packets in the bitbucket..." "huh? whats that?" ".... don't worry it's all good."
Rick_: but i am using coinbr now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
Rick_: now i can see http://pastebin.com/xfSBf759,reading it
deadweasel: ;;goxlag
gribble: 128.598356 seconds
mircea_popescu: mod6 anyway, if you can't get to trilema, it's here http://pastebin.com/vRzjux7e
mircea_popescu: all tghe proxy shit was set-up back in jan when somebody tried to ddos mpex
mircea_popescu: smickles so what've you been up to ? did you get ddosed or something ?
mircea_popescu: Rick_ hey, actually, the full pastebin is http://pastebin.com/vRzjux7e
mircea_popescu: for some reason the other one got truncated.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
mircea_popescu: ahaha he's proxy unaware huh
maximian: looks like the worst of the s.dice selloff is over
deadweasel: think the price will drop anymore today?
jurov: mircea_popescu but it did work till 2 hours ago
jurov: assbot
mircea_popescu: jurov it gets the pushes
mircea_popescu: but it doesn;t know how to get the stats
jurov: ic
assbot: yea im stupid like dat.
jurov: ;;slap assbot
assbot: watch out there. i might be dumb but i have muscle. does that erause you?
mircea_popescu: erause ?!
jurov: ;;facepalm
gribble: Error: "facepalm" is not a valid command.
assbot: arouse, mirce, arouse. was ment for jurov.
deadweasel: ;;goxlag
gribble: 152.106485 seconds
keith_hanson: christ.
jurov: ^ it's not over
keith_hanson: have they mentioned any reasons for all the lag?
mircea_popescu: <unbalanced> Anyone have theories as to why this runup is so fast then? Is it driven by MPEX futures, or trader manipulation, or is this how the Fed kills BTC: it just buys them all? << historically mpex futures tend to quench rallies (and probably drops too) rather than amplify them
deadweasel: shitty sysadmins
kakobrekla: beatles yesterdays goes through my mind when you do ;;goxlag
mircea_popescu: the reason is that bitcoin which'd normally hit the exchanges pushing the price gets sterilized on derivative trades on mpex
jurov: ;;asks 49
gribble: There are currently 3655.519 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 177792.647437 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00072389 = 3.4747 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.23000, Best ask: 47.40500, Bid-ask spread: 0.17500, Last trade: 47.40500, 24 hour volume: 106149.33438063, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.27059
mircea_popescu: so eerie
mircea_popescu: "Karen Webster ‏@karenmpd
mircea_popescu: Regulation can stand in the way of innovation in the interest of protecting consumers. What do entrepreneurs do?"
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu ‏@Mircea_Popescu
mircea_popescu: @karenmpd They move. Consumers don't get a say, that's what the definition of consumer implies : "stfu, swallow the menu, say ty".
mircea_popescu: i think it was about time twitter got a dose of mp.
ThickAsThieves: wtb faster bitcoin confirmations
mircea_popescu: primeasic sells 1000 fast confirmations for 0.5 btc
mircea_popescu: 5000 for 2 btc
mircea_popescu: 10000 for 3 btc
ThickAsThieves: can kako pick them up for me?
mircea_popescu: only if you wait till he's not slept for a day first.
unbalanced: mircea_popescu, thanks for the reply above. Could someone rich in cash & BTC, holding BTC futures/options at say a $50 strike could have an incentive to buy up BTC to that level to not lose on the option trade?
unbalanced: Or am I a) paranoid? b) ill-informed? c) both? Probably c)
jurov: unbalanced, there were tries , but mostly not successful afaik
Namworld: oh, I missed mircea's reply. What's up with MPEx?
ThickAsThieves: ddos
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0073 = 0.073 BTC [+]
unbalanced: Namworld: see http://mpex.coinbr.com
Namworld: ah, an alternative frontend
jurov: not a frontend, just proxy
[\\\]: whatever happened to solidcoin?
Namworld: Still a scam?
jurov: [\\\]: you're digging it out of grave
[\\\]: oh, damn
[\\\]: I went to the website and the latest news is from January
[\\\]: 2012
mircea_popescu: unbalanced in theory this is possible. however this theory tends to blow up in practice. it's no different from any attempt to corner a market, and those have historically ended up poorly.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, the mpoe bot book is limited. you can't get much more than 20k or so notional exposure per strike
mircea_popescu: with a lot of finesse you could construct synthetic positions of maybe 100k, but not 1mn and over.
mircea_popescu: moreover because all trade settles in btc on mpex that defacto sterilizes some currency too
mircea_popescu: in short : i've put a lot of thinking into creating macrostability here, i obviously may have overlooked holes/been stupid/etc, but it won't be trivial in any case.
mod6: (10:04) < mircea_popescu> i think it was about time twitter got a dose of mp. << yes!
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: guerilla gardening: http://youtu.be/EzZzZ_qpZ4w
jcpham: ^ worth watching
unbalanced: mircea_popescu, jurov: thx for the replies
mod6: jcpham: oh man, <3 Del Taco
unbalanced: glad to know all is well in mpex-land... time to get back to work
jcpham: I manufacture my own reality
jcpham: i like this guy
mircea_popescu: ;;whowas unbalanced
gribble: Error: "whowas" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;was unbalanced
gribble: Error: "was" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: someone should tell him about btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00469999 = 1.88 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you dont need to grow food
kakobrekla: aka money
kakobrekla: you can just grow money straight up
mircea_popescu: so did s.dice get massacred because people thought mpex is gone ?
deadweasel: can't eat money
kakobrekla: cant encrypt food
deadweasel: fungal encryption
jcpham: dude this guys mind is primed for bitcoin
deadweasel: nobody would try to reverse that
kakobrekla: eating cas coins
deadweasel: cas coins would be hard to pass
deadweasel: and not very nutriional
jcpham: 7:15 t-shirt says "unkuck the world"
kakobrekla: so would be fungal encrypted food
jcpham: *unfuck
deadweasel: I just need to clean my fridge
kakobrekla: also planting that shit in the middle of the LA
kakobrekla: its not useful for eating
kakobrekla: so i dunno what that dude is on
jcpham: the man has got him down kakobrekla
kakobrekla: meh
jurov: mircea_popescu, no that happened yesterday. today dice it didn't move much
mod6: this guy is awesome
kakobrekla: awsome in a stupid way
mircea_popescu: jurov aha.
mod6: well, na. fuck the man, plant a garden. mine some bitcoins, etc.
jcpham: fuck tha man, plant a garden, mine bitcoins sounds like a tshirt i need
dub: friedcat did it again
mod6: jcpham: ya!
dub: sent 0.000000001/share then a div
dub: 0.1 satoshi
mod6: haha ya! "PLANT SOME SHIT!"
mod6: thats just great
mod6: america needs more people like this guy who are devoted to action
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40 @ 0.00469999 = 0.188 BTC [+]
dub: im going aquaponics when I finally get a house
dub: grow FISH and PLANTS
mod6: jcpham: the UNFUCK THE WORLD t-shirt was pretty great too
mod6: i'd prolly wear it everyday if I had one
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4789366.42662 based on data since last change | 4948929.82503 based on data for last three days
dub: looks like om not the only one anyway https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149750.msg1591216#msg1591216
ThickAsThieves: i have the same issue
ThickAsThieves: gave up and moved my wallet
dub: wat issue
ThickAsThieves: client issues
ThickAsThieves: i havent tried rescan yet
ThickAsThieves: send coin but transaction never updates
dub: is the txn confirmed?
ThickAsThieves: basically it does the transactions but displays incorrectly
dub: the asicminer div txn isnt
ThickAsThieves: if i recall correctly
ThickAsThieves: oh
ThickAsThieves: thats not confirmed
dub: so its normal to show up like that
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt referring to asicminer
ThickAsThieves: referring to someone suspecting there is an issue with desltop clienbt
dub: holy fuck
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1590649#msg1590649
dub: ITS ALIVE
mod6: EB is like, "O if you move S.DICE I'll buy some!!! JUST KIDDING! LOL I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT HIGH AND SOLD LOW!"
dub: surpise, guy is ubertarded
mod6: haha he trolls hard
mircea_popescu: lol what ?
jcpham: aww man dank got scammer tagged
ThickAsThieves: http://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions
jcpham: but he had a soul guarantee
ThickAsThieves: going up?
ThickAsThieves: yes, top floor plz
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224570 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4779207.20236 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.41719
chmod755: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.00000, Best ask: 48.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 48.05000, 24 hour volume: 104401.10769022, 24 hour low: 39.50000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.61632
mod6: eat your heart out bernakazi
mod6: EskimoBob: :)
mod6: MPOE-PR stepped on your nuts huh?
mod6: i dunno, why all the hard trolls & h8tred?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-delusion-of-infrastructure/
mircea_popescu: the latest installment in mpanthropology.
mod6: EskimoBob: *shrug*
ZedsterX: does bitpay being on amazon make us legit now?
deadweasel: I'm pretty sure you are MP, being your own troll
mod6: dutifully moved right along to the next helping of predigested yet certifiedly safe circlejerk product. << exactly.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel im who ?
chmod755|catfish: -0.002!
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.93000 U.S. dollars = 36.7758766 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00072389 = 4.6691 BTC [+]
Namworld: What's up with options?
mircea_popescu: now what sort of unanswerable question is that ?
Namworld: ah, nvm. I guess I was consistently refreshing right when options were not up.
Namworld: I refreshed twice and no options were showing up from the market bot.
mircea_popescu: ya there's ocasionally a momentary gap
deadweasel: i think it's broken. ;)
Namworld: your reasoning seems broken... time to get some S.DICE
deadweasel: you're right! buy moar!
ZedsterX: time not panic yet
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the valuation by last trade algo is prolly dubious
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00300001 / 0.00452788 / 0.0052 (39220 shares, 177.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00577697 / 0.0063799 (549867 shares, 3,176.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00588503 / 0.007395 (6670790 shares, 39,257.82 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 30day avg prolly more reasonable.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.56142347 / 49.63791534 (no shares, 17,752.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
doctor_pullfingr: deaweasel - measure in USD make you feel a bit better
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 3 @ 0.0639995 = 0.192 BTC [-]
deadweasel: yeah, I need to stop looking at bitfunder. I just want to watch things happen.
deadweasel: i like observing this thing. this, bitcoin, thing.
deadweasel: i'm addicted to bitcoins
TomServo: mircea_popescu: how often is the oix updated?
mircea_popescu: every time options sell pretty much
mod6: has any one else been eating popcorn and watching Krugman try to battle the guys on ZH?
mod6: not sure if its really him... but it's entertaining either way
mircea_popescu: not rly.
Bugpowder: EURO is $1.2999?!?
mircea_popescu: hard to tell which is the larger idiot, the zh borg or krugman
mircea_popescu: about there ya
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.45780, Bid-ask spread: 0.10780, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 105673.56321148, 24 hour low: 39.51020, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.82315
dub: new video of avalon trying to ship units
dub: http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/the-strange-beauty-of-the-chinese-politician-who-lost-his-shit-at-the-airport
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: yeah, some of those guys on ZH are somewhat entertaining
mod6: there seems to be a real lack of brains when it comes to bitcoin on there though
deadweasel: I have seen no surplus in brains anywhere in bitcoin, except a few here and there.
deadweasel: bitcoin has been my financial baptism by fire. lucky I made money while learning
Lyspooner: this is not the normal channel welcome message
chmod755: Lyspooner, wat?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner the scams there got moved to bitcoin-assets.com
Lyspooner: "channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp"
mircea_popescu: a, that's standard freenode stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4405 = 4.405 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: normally it's a list of all the sites that house bitcoin assets
Bugpowder: you mean the topic?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1591950#msg1591950 this is cute.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: bugpowder yeah
mircea_popescu: "Hi everyone!
mircea_popescu: Massage4BTC.com is now operational and lets anyone offer local massage services for BTC."
mircea_popescu: le lol.
mircea_popescu: "herpderp i learned sort-of webcoding over the summer so now i start a business where other people do the work. it's a platform."
chmod755: lmao
chmod755: mircea_popescu, wait...isn't that what mpex does?
chmod755: S.DICE makes the money - you get rich lol
mircea_popescu: haha not quite.
mircea_popescu: what've they traded since august, say 200k btc or so ? i've made 400 btc off that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4205 = 1.2615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.335 = 3.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.335 = 1.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.33317 = 3.3317 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.41 = 2.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.65 = 16.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
deadweasel: I was just wondering where I could find a massage for BTC?
deadweasel: is there like, an internet site for that?
mircea_popescu: the best massages are free
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33317 = 0.6663 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 640 @ 0.22052312 = 141.1348 BTC [+]
jurov: !tciker m oix^
jurov: !ticker m oix^
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
deadweasel: assbot is dead
jurov: amen
mircea_popescu: prefix not postfix
jurov: !ticker m oix^
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
jurov: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.63946252 / 49.7064472 (no shares, 17,893.87 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
jurov: deadweasel is dead
jurov: mpex.co is back online so all should work
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
deadweasel: isn't that nanotube's bot?
Bugpowder: tankage
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00000, Best ask: 46.59790, Bid-ask spread: 0.59790, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 109849.30848531, 24 hour low: 39.79000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00791
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
jurov: deadweasel,no,gribble is nanotube's. assbot has borrowed intelligence from kakobrekla.
jurov: maybe muscles,too, dunno
deadweasel: jurov: ok, thx. they are both nice bots. even S&M assbot, but I do that in PMs now.
jurov: consider yourself lucky, i was rejected by assbot :/
deadweasel: tankage indeed, people must be market selling
deadweasel: but there are some hungry sponges out there too
jurov: i think today's bank wires and whatever went into bitcoins, tomorrow it may repeat
jurov: when fresh fiat arrives
jurov: bitcoin will eat it
Bugpowder: see u at $36.
deadweasel: ;;goxlag
gribble: 80.139706 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.27057, Best ask: 45.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.71943, Last trade: 45.99000, 24 hour volume: 111972.55000310, 24 hour low: 39.79001, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.02130
dub: BASIC-MINING what
Lyspooner: 80 seconds lag? is that normal?
Bugpowder: it wat 680sec a few hours ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
dub: yeah newsflash gox sux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0046 = 1.38 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they're good at what they do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]
leotreasure: asicmining divs are out
Ukto: yup
Ukto: as soon as confirms are done, DT will be paying on BF
DeaDTerra1: stil sitting on 0 confirms...
DeaDTerra1: comeone mining pools
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 62 @ 0.00549 = 0.3404 BTC [+]
Ukto: btw, G.ASICMER-PT now holders 1,020,273 confirmed ASICMINER shares
Ukto: er
Ukto: that wrong
Ukto: 11,032 shares
Ukto: stupid copy buffer
mircea_popescu: leotreasure how much ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
leotreasure: .01916298
Bugpowder: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.71051, Best ask: 45.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28949, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 114058.31082349, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.04732
Ukto: the last was 0.02354460
Ukto: and it was for all earnings up to that point
Ukto: that means the last week picked up a lot of earnings
Ukto: next week should easily surpass it
mircea_popescu: going down !?
Ukto: btc or AM?
mircea_popescu: ah, what interval was the first for ?
mircea_popescu: am
Ukto: like 2~3 weeks?
mircea_popescu: ah i c
DeaDTerra1: HAHAH one million shares was a bit strong xD
Ukto: yeah
Ukto: I has sdice open
Ukto: and copied the wrong thing :P
jcpham: hey gais
Ukto: sup
jcpham: i sold some coins for $50 today
jcpham: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.71051, Bid-ask spread: 0.51051, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 114660.97979107, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.05104
jcpham: how is that even acceptable or possible
mircea_popescu: bad deal.
mircea_popescu: you'll regret it later.
Bugpowder: I sold a nice chunk at 46-49
Bugpowder: I do not regret it now
jcpham: mircea_popescu: 5 coins...
jcpham: !
swhitt: i ;;ticker
swhitt: ;;ticker
jcpham: i sold 5 coins during the height of the day for shits and giggles
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 44.50000, 24 hour volume: 114844.81528356, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.05435
swhitt: i wish mtgoxlive would work better.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1592056#msg1592056
mircea_popescu: lol girl laying the smackdown
mircea_popescu: i can't believe forum idiots actually propose btctalk as a comparison for anything.
Lyspooner: "girl"
Lyspooner: try "me"
Bugpowder: anyone know EXACTLY how wash sale rules effect a long-term cap gain? As in, if I buy a stock for $5, sell it 8 months later for $10, rebuy for $9 the next day then sell again for $50 8 months after that.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner why does her gender bother you so ?
jcpham: http://www.economicsofbitcoin.com/2013/03/re-bitcoin-bubble-20-by-patrik-korda.html
mircea_popescu: who is patrik-korda
Bugpowder: Is the $50 sale considered long-term or short term
Bugpowder: I know the $10 sale is short term, despite the wash sale repurchase.
jcpham: http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/7761841-patrik-korda/1616371-bitcoin-bubble-2-0
jcpham: ^ korda
mircea_popescu: jcpham ok, some idiot who came up with the brilliant idea that because the cost of making websites is small, the internet will never exist
mircea_popescu: because myspace profiles will compete each other into irrelevance
mircea_popescu: i am impressed. who spawns all these idiots ?
Bugpowder: http://apoplithorismosphobia.com/files/ex.pdf
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: spontaneous idiogeneration ?
mircea_popescu: Study Program: Liberal Arts
mircea_popescu: Field of Study: 3. 1. 6 Political Science
mircea_popescu: ok nm.
jurov: According to the Communist Manifesto, there were three major reasons why capitalism would come to a halt.
jurov: ^from abstract
mircea_popescu: one of them being that youthful cocks with milkstrings still atached will end up publishing on wanna-be "respectable" venues a la seeking alpha as if they were people.
mircea_popescu: basically, we're being trolled.
jurov: lol i never heard about this school.. prolly too many "higher education" schools around
jurov: in one 450-thousand city
mircea_popescu: every halfwit with a "liberal arts" degree in nothing specifically from Nowhere University is going to, on the mid term, publish a finite nonzero number of papers
mircea_popescu: consisting of nothing at all.
jurov: From a historical standpoint, major economic bubbles are a rare phenomenon. Unlike business cycles, which occur quite frequently and with great regularity, there have not been many bubbles throughout history.
jurov: first two sentences from the body text
mircea_popescu: i can't even write about this shit, it'd be doing it favours ;/
jurov: i cant even...
Lyspooner: scott sumner on bitcoin bubbles http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=19705&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Themoneyillusion+%28TheMoneyIllusion%29
BitHub: so...how much did asicminer share pay per share?
BitHub: 0.020 or something?
dub: .01916298
BitHub: cool
dub: they sent it anyway, hadn't confirmed last I looked
Diablo-D3: it confirmed
Diablo-D3: the share count tx didn't yet
Diablo-D3: oh wait, sorry, its only 4/6 atm
Diablo-D3: its partially confirmed =P
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner left him an oix.
Lyspooner: ?
mircea_popescu: link you posted.
Lyspooner: to what end? he doesn't care about bitcoin so much as he just wants people who cry "bubble!" to be held to certain standards
AndroUser512: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749889.19275 based on data since last change | 4913870.80684 based on data for last three days
jurov: i daresay marketmaking for difficulty is less risky than one for price
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner so i made a spurious comment on the interwebs.
jurov: but the asics are still big unknowns
mircea_popescu: jurov it's gotten to that point hasn't it. funny how things topple in btc.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: were you ddosed again?
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: didn't do much if anything at all this time.
thestringpuller: people must just not like you
thestringpuller: but girls love em
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu the jay z of btc
thestringpuller: can I produce your rap album?
mircea_popescu: lol sure
mircea_popescu: anyway, prolly kids getting their teeth cut.
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.63946252 / 49.7064472 (no shares, 17,893.87 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
thestringpuller: nice
thestringpuller: OIX is a good metric
mircea_popescu: im totally in love with it
jcpham: Your money is stored securely in the cloud (with 90% offline in secure storage), so if you lose your phone your money is still safe.
mircea_popescu: after it said 47+ about a day early.
jcpham: http://blog.coinbase.com/post/44730207780/the-coinbase-android-app-has-launched
mircea_popescu: jcpham remember the polish exchange that mtgox acquired in 2011 ?
mircea_popescu: that btc is to this day securely in the cloud.
thestringpuller: does that mean option marketers are manipulating the price?
jcpham: bitomat.pl i think
mircea_popescu: jcpham exactly, that's them.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller possibly that they draw from the same reservoir of future as the price does.
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 428772.0536 USD and would take the last price down to 40.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 42.8772 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
AndroUser512: Is it mer SAY uh po PESS coo?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thats some oracle wisdom there
thestringpuller: hahaha
thestringpuller: AndroUser512 wow that made me lol in this huge meeting
AndroUser512: :)
mircea_popescu: mirˈt͡ʃe̯a poˈpes.ku
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu are you at odds with bitinstant now?
BitHub: heh mircea rap album
mircea_popescu: no ?
thestringpuller: also how the fuck did they get social engineered?
thestringpuller: ziggap is gonna surpass bitinstant at this rate
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 634 @ 0.00073 = 0.4628 BTC [+]
AndroUser512: Ziggap wad down earlier, still?
thestringpuller: Ukto: stop being lazy and have assbot announce BF
AndroUser512: For realz
thestringpuller: whoa is ziggap getting ddosed too?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it is kinda funny, shrem gets owned, site is offline for three days, customers miss rally, popescu is ddosed nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must be bruising egos but other than that... heh. who cares.
thestringpuller: well i was mad popescu!
thestringpuller: i couldnt get my oix from assbot
thestringpuller: unacceptable!!!!
mircea_popescu: hehe ok
mircea_popescu: http://www.torahinmotion.org/sites/default/files/50_asian_experiences_sheep.jpg
thestringpuller: mpex by design is built like a vault
mircea_popescu: here, have a bunch of oix's for later
AndroUser512: Shoulda found a way to call it OINX
thestringpuller: someone would to assassinate popescu
thestringpuller: have to*
mircea_popescu: MPOIX was in the list.
dub: I was expecting a much different picture
thestringpuller: in order to social engineer mpex
BitHub: peeps are working on it
mircea_popescu: im assassinating myself
mircea_popescu: death by chocolate.
BitHub: chocolate and pu$$y
thestringpuller: not by cuban cigars?
deadweasel: cuban pussy is cheaper
AndroUser512: Yep ziggap still down
jurov: everyone calm down and enjoy nice family photo: http://imgur.com/a4HcmCq
BitHub: mark cuban's mangina?
mircea_popescu: iz siggap aethero's thing ?
mircea_popescu: that ipo'd recently ?
BitHub: yeah
AndroUser512: Yes
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah that's a slovak duck
BitHub: just a buy and sell service
BitHub: well not even sell, just buy
jurov: no it's romanian. we don't use children.
AndroUser512: He says it means wallet in vietnamese or sumth
BitHub: north korean or something
mircea_popescu: jurov only because couldn't figure out how to make any :D
mircea_popescu: so why is it down ?
BitHub: teh hax0rs?
mircea_popescu: sucks.
AndroUser512: Haven't seen aethero today to ask
jurov: i see nothing untoward on frontpage
BitHub: alot of people were asking were you were about 8 hours ago mircea
BitHub: told them you got kidnapped by the CIA again
mircea_popescu: cia party & barhopping special unit
jurov: poor smickles,just came after 3wks and immediately had to calm the situation
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00549 = 2.745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it was funny, cause when he went the other ddos was recent
mircea_popescu: sorta like a bridge in tiem for him
kakobrekla: oh god.
kakobrekla: glbse drama still aint over
Namworld: where?
mircea_popescu: necessarily on the forum
kakobrekla: naaa
kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/XU3Wf9gu
BitHub: glbse drama fo life
mircea_popescu: lol so our friendly ddosers actually wiped the upstream provider.
mircea_popescu: NOW mpex is offline.
jurov: indeed
mircea_popescu: i guess never scorn a script kiddie.
Lyspooner: hell hath no fury like a script kiddie scorned
mircea_popescu: anyway. should be resolved momentarily.
mircea_popescu: the worst case scenario is we move over to tor.
mircea_popescu: that'd likely be a coupla days of downtime.
mircea_popescu: in between these extremes a number of intermediate solutions.
Lyspooner: Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a script kiddie scorned
kakobrekla: so the proxy idea doesnt work after all
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well anything on the internet is limited by the internet actually existing.
BitHub: it is?
BitHub: dear god
jurov: mircea_popescu can't the engine just get moved to completely different dc?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, it could.
mircea_popescu: but i dislike this sort of solutions, just hop around dcs ?
mircea_popescu: what if i need to take a piss one day ?
jurov: and only proxies would know where.. as long as it stays secret, no hoppin necessary
mircea_popescu: this is a small scale garden variety tor implementation.
kakobrekla: tor sux
mircea_popescu: why ?
Lyspooner: Uncertainty and expectation are the joys of life. Security is an insipid thing.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner shush you, you're not the one with the suspended exchange.
Lyspooner: that's not me, that's william congreve
kakobrekla: tor is not friendly
mod6: for whom?
kakobrekla: to ME
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpex would be on tor, proxies would be on normal web.
mircea_popescu: problem is it's slow
kakobrekla: what the point then
kakobrekla: if proxies hide location
mircea_popescu: well look, ddos mitigation is an exercise in moving upstream.
mircea_popescu: what i had here was enough to make 10-100 Gb attacks ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: someone taking down all tor nodes is a coupla degrees of magnitude over that.
kakobrekla: ya but they still know your current location
kakobrekla: and you need to change that
kakobrekla: if they are fuckin your isp
kakobrekla: or what
mircea_popescu: half of gnax atlanta is dark atm.
kakobrekla: and if you change it to unknown its same shit if you keep it hidden via tor or via decent http proxies
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not really, you can actually trace to source with http proxies.
mircea_popescu: may take a week or two, sure.
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: if they cant take tpb down with a solution like that
kakobrekla: they cant take you down
mircea_popescu: possibly.
jcpham: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19s3jh/dear_coinbase_please_order_some_more_coins_asap/
jcpham: "If Coinbase borrowed inventory off btcjam (as btcquick does) they'd probably fund pretty quickly and have a better cost basis"
jcpham: the internet is full of idiots today
jcpham: i give up
chmod755: lol
jcpham: so the btcjam coins are being sold, eh
BitHub: good idea
jcpham: this idea is familiar
BitHub: mpex should lend out 100btc on btcjam and never see any of teh btc again
jurov: do we know where the bticointalk coins ended up?
jurov: btw
jcpham: selling borrowed coins was tried a few times at least once already
jcpham: none of the borrowed coins were returned afaik
mircea_popescu: lmao
BitHub: btcjam should be ddosed
BitHub: piece of shit site/service
kakobrekla: point mpex dns to them
mircea_popescu: lmao ahaghaha
jcpham: apparently they are more liquid that coinbase
jcpham: which boggles me
BitHub: demented animals that invent this crap
jcpham: so apparently reddit can't find btc
jcpham: and gox orders are stacking up
jcpham: all the bitcoins are gone!
mod6: kakobrekla: that's a one out of the rg playbook :)
pigeons: coinlab will roll out its instawallet clone
BitHub: powered by SEC
jcpham: maybe coinlab should roll out a lending service
pigeons: Tom Williams
jcpham: those work great for liquidity
jcpham: ooh ooh iknow
pigeons: coinlab is gonna bring bitcoin to wallstreet man
jcpham: they could pay interest on deposits
BitHub: stop giving coinlab ideas
BitHub: jesus
BitHub: next you'll be telling them how to offer insurance
BitHub: fuck ya
jcpham: they could pay interest on deposits and then use those deposited coins to sell
pigeons: ooh and they should offer coin storage
BitHub: NO PIGEON
jcpham: ooh maybe even a mixer
pigeons: and a gpu farm integrated into independent video games
jcpham: for MAX ANON
BitHub: they're already cutting into BitHub's market share
jcpham: ooh yeah that too
pigeons: all ur gamerz r teh goldz
jcpham: just wait until one of these guys starts offering interest on deposits
pigeons: 7% a week
kakobrekla: like 7% a week.
pigeons: ;)
kakobrekla: first.
BitHub: you mean like divs?
jcpham: yeah exactly like 7% a week
BitHub: what a mind blowing concept
jcpham: it will be a revolutionary concept to the internet at large
pigeons: i thought 7% a week must be a scam, BUT YCOMBINATOR!
jurov: heh, mtgoxlive loaded for me first time today
jcpham: exactly
jcpham: buy ycombinator
jcpham: *but
jcpham: not buy
pigeons: why ask why?
jurov: deflationary currency. with 7% weekly interest. austrian economists, take that.
jurov: better than perpetuum mobile
pigeons: well we are still at 25 btc/block inflation
jcpham: <doctor_pullfingr> -I don't know where coinbase buys. All I'm saying is that they're out and have been for a couple of days. When they no longer say they're out. I think the price of BTC stabilizes. Maybe it's a leading indicator.
jcpham: newbs in -otc talking about coinbase out of money
pigeons: how can they be out of money? YCOMBINATOR
jcpham: because bitcoin.
jurov: anyone named the source?
mircea_popescu: try mpex.co nao
jcpham: nope
Pucilowski: what happened to mpex.co?
pigeons: OMG surely there are no alternative sites using twitter bootstrap that will buy bitcoins for us off an exchange for an extra fee
doctor_pullfingr: I'm the source. not really a newb - in since 6.43
jcpham: my bad
doctor_pullfingr: just changed my name lots of times
jcpham: i'm totally a noob though
jurov: btw, didn't anyone try to compare coinlab sales with pirate's loot? whether the amount isn't approximately similar, perchance
pigeons: why'd you wait till june, japan had gained a lot by then
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: very patriotic
iz: jurov: how much did pirate actually make off with? i think it's unknown, b/c everyone won't fess up about how much they got paid back in interest
pigeons: it is unknown
mircea_popescu: hey, people wanna show off their muscle, let them show it off to people who care.
pigeons: i doubt he had much left
iz: pigeons: same
Bugpowder: is that going to redirect the ddos to wh?
Bugpowder: no right?
mircea_popescu: i imagine yes.
jurov: mpex.co -> http://www.whitehouse.gov LMAO
mircea_popescu: i figure i got a 1% shot of making us national news.
Bugpowder: heh
Bugpowder: its a very clever idea
mod6: lol, that actually worked.
mod6: WE GET SIGNAL
mircea_popescu: mod6 what ?!
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it's down
mod6: redirect from mpex.co to whitehouse.gov
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: yeah
mod6: i luld
mod6: and needed to subsequently quote zero-wing
jcpham: that's terrible mircea_popescu
jurov: everyone, now try to submit post requests to whitehouse
jurov: with gpg encrypted mpex stuff
mircea_popescu: lol it has no hole
Bugpowder: not working
doctor_pullfingr: mircea_popescu - I got STAT earlier today if you care.
Bugpowder: mpex.co down
pigeons: romainian bitterrorist pornagrapher points site at whitehouse to direct shadowy hackers to take down usa's "critical infrastructure"
Bugpowder: whitehouse.gov not down
dub: inb4 black helicopters
mircea_popescu: lol i just got an actual proper page
mod6: inb4 drone strike
Bugpowder: its back!
mircea_popescu: 30day Total Volume 133`707.57454204 BTC
mircea_popescu: this look stale to anyone ?
BitHub: l33t
mircea_popescu: im guffawing over here
jurov: pointing pympex to whitehouse.gov got HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
jurov: completely appropriate
mircea_popescu: interesting
dub: 250k btc I think was the popular rumour
mircea_popescu: went as high as 500k
jurov: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ back online
BitHub: So Henry Paulson is the new C.E.O of coinlab?
mod6: jurov: nice
mircea_popescu: well that worked.
mircea_popescu: leson learned : when someone throws a quarter tb of crap at you
jcpham: His name was Robert Paulsen
mircea_popescu: point to something white and get out of the way
doctor_pullfingr: confirmed mpex.coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: he's thinking of robert's sister, henry.
BitHub: ya
Bugpowder: This bothers me " Whether you are a savvy investor, Bitcoin merchant, or crypto-hobbiest, trading Bitcoin in the US and Canada is about to get faster, easier, and even more secure."
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "also, no coins"
Bugpowder: You have a misspelling in the first sentence of your splash page
mod6: haha
mod6: i shouldnt laugh at that, i misspell tons of words :/
Bugpowder: Current Price 541m ago Mt. Gox sockets are down. Trade data will not update until they come back online, and depth data will only update once every 15 minutes. Sorry!
doctor_pullfingr: from mpex.co front page "The time has come to fill important judicial vacancies"
Bugpowder: weird that all the other websites still work
BitHub: "Thanks to our partnerships with SEC, Taxoffice and the Whitehouse, we can now provide these services"
mircea_popescu: wait
mircea_popescu: mtgox got flumoxxed too ?
pigeons: mircea_popescu is jealous
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0 seconds
mircea_popescu: lmao ok ok
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.90000, Best ask: 46.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 119925.05033138, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.19828
Bugpowder: coinlab got flummoxed
jcpham: Ashton Kutcher’s A-Grade Investments joined with Ben Davenport and Trace Mayer in another round of seed founding for BitPay.
BitHub: thank christ for ashton kutcher
dub: ok, so with bitcoin roken, where is the bottom
dub: broken*
mod6: lol BitHub
BitHub: Charlie Sheen bitcoin company will be better
iz: BitHub: you'll take that back once you find out he's just punking the btc community for a new MTV series
mircea_popescu: mtv still exists ?!
BitHub: ahh so that's who's been trolling the price lately
jcpham: ^ iz may have a point
jcpham: if ashton gets to play satoshi ina bitcoin movie i'll be upset
BitHub: lulz jcpham
BitHub: holy shit
mod6: Dude, where's my bitcoins?
dub: its gotta be ryan gosling
pigeons: mircea_popescu has a doctor evil suit
kakobrekla: tru dat.
pigeons: piefucker played a good satoshi
mod6: dub: then all girls will want to go and see it
BitHub: would you guys ever fund a movie with bitcoins?
dub: sounds like an IPO
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 120 @ 0.22222082 = 26.6665 BTC [+]
pigeons: Richard Simmons as usagi
mod6: LOL
doctor_pullfingr: BitHub - girlsgonebitcoin does that all the time
BitHub: i think you should fund my movie
dub: haha
mircea_popescu: BitHub i acrtually had some outfit in chicago to do me a short
mircea_popescu: sadly they flaked out.
jcpham: i asked Ashton who is going to play Satoshi
mircea_popescu: was last year.
jcpham: we'll see if he responds
BitHub: a short for what mircea?
mircea_popescu: a short film.
jcpham: https://plus.google.com/115257212064017961354/posts/Pmd1sPVby5A
BitHub: yes
BitHub: with you acting in it?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: you know the "are you the brain specialist" monthy python sketch ?
mod6: nice jcpham
BitHub: probably
mircea_popescu: so it was going to be a remake of that, except with the
mircea_popescu: Are you the Bitcoin Financialist
BitHub: i was suppose to make a short film this year to take to Robert Rodriguez and troublemaker studios for their new television network EL REY
mircea_popescu: would have been hysterical
kakobrekla: hey mircea you gonna have to switch the slogan nao https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1592841#msg1592841
BitHub: but doing this crap instead
mircea_popescu: was just about the time the various idiots were popping post-pirate
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the only bitcoin service hacked by the white house ?
kakobrekla: smth like dat
pigeons: i dont know anything about ianbakeweall, but kinda weird to just say, "i suspect this guy is involved in the ddos"
BitHub: hah mircea i'm pretty intrested in making some bitcoin commercials
kakobrekla: also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1592861#msg1592861
BitHub: i had this one idea of like a Mr. Satoshi montage
mod6: get the sham-wow guy
pigeons: why do they say that guy would ddos mpex?
BitHub: bakewell mining
BitHub: he's been a lil off lately
BitHub: sold my shares
kakobrekla: he has a sock on his head
BitHub: got some jah ones instead better divs
Bugpowder: he called the S.DICE short pretty well
kakobrekla: what more do you need to know?
Bugpowder: great timing
Bugpowder: if he really did sell at .0062
Bugpowder: instead of borrow at .0062 and not sell it in time
pigeons: well he still has to buy them back
Bugpowder: I didn't see a sale go off at .0062 of that size
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 0.65 = 20.8 BTC [-]
Namworld: erhm... MPEx redirects to the whitehouse.gov website? lol...
kakobrekla: hm so acsic miner aint that hot all of a sudden?
BitHub: JAH shares atm are much better value to buy than AISCMINER and BAKEWELL
kakobrekla: asicminer-pt
pigeons: oh so the ddos comment was so that people couldnt buy up s.dice
BitHub: i dont get why you would buy asicminer shares where jah's are much better value and get roughly the same pay out div for alot cheaper
Bugpowder: does jah have asics?
pigeons: but asic right in the name!
BitHub: yep
BitHub: that's why may as well get jah
pigeons: he actually has avalons in his hands?
Namworld: BitHub: JAH has nowhere near the same potential tho...
BitHub: no avalons in his hands but his asicminer divs are kicking in
Namworld: Would go down while ASICMINER will go up in mined coins.
pigeons: so he has no asics
Bugpowder: dude
BitHub: hes got 2 on preorder
Bugpowder: DUDE
pigeons: 2 on preorder = 0 asics
Bugpowder: PREORDER IS WORTHLESS
Bugpowder: PREORDER IS FUCKED
BitHub: wait
Bugpowder: 80% chance of worthless
BitHub: i'm getting 0.00072538btc a share atm
dub: remember they guy runnning JAH is retarded
BitHub: daily
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol @forum
dub: though that hasn't hurt dice
Namworld: Can I short JAH?
pigeons: "coming soon"
dub: short btc
dub: were seeign $2 this week
Namworld: Currently I'd be shorting almost anything.
BitHub: it was like .06 a few weeks ago hey
mircea_popescu: Namworld just because of btc/usd ?
BitHub: now its hmmm 2.8?
Namworld: No... because those small mining ops don't look good.
BitHub: i mean 0.28
Namworld: plus USD/BTC price just further promotes shorting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00072389 = 13.9349 BTC [+]
BitHub: how much is asicminer paying per share atm?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9076 @ 0.00073711 = 6.69 BTC [+]
BitHub: div wise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5247 @ 0.00074548 = 3.9115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41427 @ 0.00074999 = 31.0698 BTC [+]
Namworld: How much Terahash is ASICMINER at now?
mircea_popescu: o hey. "mpoe surges on news of failed ddos"
BitHub: 6 or something?
dub: mircea_popescu: new of USG backing
dub: news*
mircea_popescu: o that too ya
mircea_popescu: "mpex the first bitcoin business to implement quantitative easing"
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.262 = 0.524 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2576 = 1.288 BTC [-]
Namworld: So, anyway
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01002, Best ask: 45.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03998, Last trade: 45.05000, 24 hour volume: 120957.15085783, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.23178
mircea_popescu: in case anyone doesn't know what http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-05/merkel-looks-east-for-austerity-allies-in-talks-with-hollande.html is all about :
mircea_popescu: holland was forever trying to block romania's access to schengen zone
mircea_popescu: germany joined them recently
mircea_popescu: bucharest shocked them by going fu, we don't want in anymore.
Namworld: Who has mining stocks to lend me? As always I have lots of backings available and good borrowing habits.
mircea_popescu: merkel is now backpedalling.
mircea_popescu: bucharest 1 : berlin 0.
mod6: mircea_popescu: probably a really good call.
mod6: the eurozone will be the zone of misery once this thing starts to unwravel faster than it already is.
mod6: and no one in their right mind would want to lose soverignty to some EU technocrat
mod6: btc ftw
mircea_popescu: yeah
BitHub: Namworld what sort of stocks?
BitHub: which mining stocks
Namworld: Pretty much anything that is not ASICMINER
BitHub: i got some jah
BitHub: i had some bakewell but got rid of them and got some jah
Namworld: Any signigicant amount?
kakobrekla: first you got baked well now you have rasta jah. in style.
BitHub: nice kako
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 750 @ 0.28155951 = 211.1696 BTC [-]
BitHub: maybe about 20 to play with nam?
BitHub: rest i'm holding
Namworld: eh, not enough for me.
Namworld: How many do you have total and how long were you planning to hold them?
jurov: finally call to miners to increase blocksize: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149668.0
mircea_popescu: lol kakobrekla http://pastebin.com/XU3Wf9gu
kakobrekla: what
mircea_popescu: jurov hearn is a muppet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i enjoyed the reply.
kakobrekla: :p
Namworld: I'll just PM you
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o wait, puts trading ?
mircea_popescu: that's new.
BitHub: philly time
BitHub: think peeps realizing, overpricing on asicminer
BitHub: at teh moment
dub: 94btc tx fee wat
dub: http://blockchain.info/tx/13dffdaef097881acfe9bdb5e6338192242d80161ffec264ee61cf23bc9a1164
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone got their mpex/wh screencaps etc ?
BitHub: <Line> http://mpex.co hope no one was using them!
BitHub: <ozbot> The White House
BitHub: made me lulz
mod6: HEH
mod6: pretty good depth on the ask side now... (looking at bitcoincharts.com)
kakobrekla: yes juding by the traffic, noone was using them. duh!
kakobrekla: judging
BitHub: hahha peeps are taking this seriously
kakobrekla: was afraid of that.
mircea_popescu: dub badly composed tx ? (insufficient outputs)
BitHub: they think mircea has becomea CIA snitch
kakobrekla: ah lone != line
kakobrekla: my bad
BitHub: lul!
BitHub: heh this is probably a huge PR for mp
BitHub: time to contact cnn news
Bugpowder_: I called da top
dub: mircea_popescu: nobody knows
BitHub: troll it a lil further
dub: if you want to uber troll stick up an ICE takedown
mircea_popescu: dub sadly i was going to do that april 1st
mircea_popescu: but now it's lost all its cache ;/
mircea_popescu: cachet*
doctor_pullfingr: Bugpowder if that's you, you called the top every 10 minutes for two months straight
Bowjob: mpex.co is .. wtf
Bowjob: did usg just sieze it?
Bugpowder_: dude
BitHub: yeah its been seized
mircea_popescu: lol
dub: yeah
BitHub: run!!!
Bugpowder_: you should redirect to an FBI 'seized domain' page
dub: mpex and bitcion protocol hacked at the same time
mod6: well, mpex.co still goes to wh.gov so *shrug*
doctor_pullfingr: did you have shares there?
Bugpowder_: if you really want to troll
dub: probably time to panic
BitHub: yeah do it mircea
ineededausername: huh
Bowjob: lol
BitHub: huge PR
Bugpowder_: could this be causing the fall in BTC prices?
BitHub: people will be like WTF MPEX?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
Bugpowder_: AskReddit
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.30000, Best ask: 44.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 44.40000, 24 hour volume: 121935.01959325, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.24020
Bowjob: holy shit
dub: Bugpowder_: probably the block size issue
Bowjob: we are crashing
BitHub: making a reddit post now
dub: Bugpowder_: /sprobably/hopefully
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr flush your dns
ineededausername: oh no, we have lost a few hours of gains
Bowjob: single digits
Bugpowder_: I still need to take a pic of the Kruggerand vs 25BTC Casascius coin
dub: $2
Bugpowder_: would have been better at $49
Bugpowder_: than at 44 and falling
ineededausername: what was the news?
dub: bitcoin is broken
BitHub: tweeting fox news now mircea
Bugpowder_: I sold
doctor_pullfingr: mircea - why? are you pointing to girlsgonebitcoin now?
ineededausername: is something happening aside from the block size problem
mircea_popescu: lol
BitHub: tweeting all the news networks
mircea_popescu: ineededausername not rly.
Bugpowder_: ineededausername: I think its the $12 price rise in 36hours
ineededausername: oh lol
Bugpowder_: that is NOT sustainable
Bugpowder_: Sequester shut down MPEX
Bowjob: i feel bad now
ineededausername: yeah I'd be happy about a crash to $25
dub: I expect a lot of people watching their transactiosn not going through
ineededausername: because that would make me feel confident about the price again
dub: seeing the devs begging miners to fix it
BitHub: i don't feel confident in mpex its been seized
Bowjob: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01980/markets_1980043c.jpg
mircea_popescu: i personally blame nefario
dub: I heard kim dotcom is dumping
BitHub: jesus you dont want to be near that guy when he dumps
doctor_pullfingr: Kutcher is still in though right?
Bowjob: 49.09, the high of 2013
Bowjob: see ya folks
dub: oh yeah theres a bitcoin movie called dude where my coins announced too
Namworld: ugh... fucking whitehouse.gov, that ain't interesting
mod6: (15:34) < dub> I heard kim dotcom is dumping << and if you believe btctalk, he's changing his name to kim bitcoin
ineededausername: lol
BitHub: haha
BitHub: he should
mircea_popescu: why not to bit kimdoing
mod6: yeah, Dude, where's my Bitcoins?
BitHub: kim bit
Bugpowder_: Sold at 48.98
mircea_popescu: bit baitboom
Bugpowder_: and 48.5
BitHub: kimdotcomcoin
Bugpowder_: and 48.0, 47.98, 46.5 46, 40.5, 40, 35.0 etc
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.93469, Best ask: 43.95602, Bid-ask spread: 0.02133, Last trade: 43.93469, 24 hour volume: 122933.59660769, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.23253
Bowjob: Tsk
deadweasel: time to buy
deadweasel: i think 40 is floor maybe? unless more of the same tomorrow.
Bugpowder_: we have erased half of today's gains
deadweasel: oh yes
Bowjob: this is actually a flash crash
Bugpowder_: $36
deadweasel: but it was a 10 dollar day
Bowjob: 50 later
deadweasel: or more
Bugpowder_: The weekend is coming
deadweasel: you think 36 is settling?
Bugpowder_: nah, I think we go back up
dub: this is awesome
Bugpowder_: maybe we will touch 36
BitHub: buy now
deadweasel: i know. I think we do to, if only after the weekend and the media gets through
BitHub: see a big surge in a hour
Bugpowder_: I just wanted to take some profits
deadweasel: people will be catching on again
Bugpowder_: been holding since $2.65
deadweasel: smart man
Bowjob: whats going on with mpex
Bowjob: really
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: wtf
deadweasel: can always buy in again at 36
Bugpowder_: I have an order
deadweasel: if it goes there
mircea_popescu: Bowjob http://mpex.coinbr.com/
error4733: obama TFW
deadweasel: i bet you do!
Bugpowder_: but I need to figure out this wash sale shit with long term vs. short term cap gains
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: wow
Bowjob: xD
BitHub: kimdotcom just dumped
Bugpowder_: Don't want to be taxed at 39.6%
BitHub: and it was nasty
Bugpowder_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.86000, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 42.86000, 24 hour volume: 123951.17643418, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.21823
Namworld: 10k to go back to 43
Namworld: 49*
Namworld: meh
Namworld: not really a huge dump
dub: just wait
Namworld: So where's my MPEx now?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ actually tax thing is a major disincentive to selling for many ppl.
Bugpowder_: shouldn't S.DICE be rallying right about now???
Bugpowder_: mircea_popescu: no shit!
Bugpowder_: How tha fuc am I gonna get my Tesla
Bugpowder_: if I'm taxed at income
Namworld: S.DICE can't rally if MPEx is unavailable
Bugpowder_: + state
Bugpowder_: Now my mtgox account is getting moved to US
Bugpowder_: FATCA is in effect
Bugpowder_: FBAR is in effect
Bugpowder_: can't hide those transactions, gotta report it.
Bugpowder_: or risk the wrath of IRS
mircea_popescu: sucks to be you.
Bugpowder_: I cry myself to sleep
deadweasel: make a plan, determine where/what denomination/ how to store your wealth. Find property, do the research to dtermine best course of action.
BitHub: that's terrible Bug
mod6: and S.DICE isn't unavailble, the mpex.coinbr.com is processing orders
Bowjob: just do irl transactions, no record
BitHub: any americans want acces to a mtgox account?
mod6: well, at least my stat went through anyway
Namworld: I can't connect to mpex.coinbr.com
Bugpowder_: I am selling below gox on localbitcoins
Bugpowder_: in a major metro area
Bugpowder_: well
Bugpowder_: not below gox right now :)
BitHub: where?
Bugpowder_: DC
mod6: works fine for me Namworld, just tried it again
BitHub: mmk
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.43692, Best ask: 42.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.46308, Last trade: 42.43692, 24 hour volume: 124522.10296094, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.20818
mircea_popescu: o le wow.
BitHub: Bugpowder i have a mtgox account
Bugpowder_: I have one too
BitHub: want to go through me?
Bugpowder_: no
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
BitHub: i'm not us resident
Bowjob: look at the sell off
Bugpowder_: I don't want to get fucked
Bugpowder_: not worth the risk
Namworld: I don't have tools to trade on it I mean. I could do it manually tho
mod6: ahh.
BitHub: you're going to get fucked by coinlab anyway
Bugpowder_: I told all my friends to sell this morning too.
Bugpowder_: some did
BitHub: while still wearing your pants
BitHub: at least i remove your pants first
Bugpowder_: it will prob bounce though
mod6: i think we're gonna retrace down to say $35, and the rally will continue
Bugpowder_: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85433966 = 854.3397 BTC [-]
dub: I dunno
Bugpowder_: UH OH
mircea_popescu: oho
mircea_popescu: boys and girls... this looks like the end.
dub: when news hits that the network is broken..
dub: its gonna be a fire sale
Bowjob: network is broken?
mod6: im still long term bullish. if it goes down low, i'll just BTFD :D
mod6: and I don't think the network is "broken" its just piling up with tx's
dub: Bowjob: block size limit hit, transactiosn are piling up
mod6: so one guy was asking to increase the block size
Bowjob: i vote ban S.Dice for the meantime
Bugpowder_: That put short was profitable though right?
Bowjob: then fix the blocksize
Bowjob: then let dice have its fill
Bowjob: or at least make the bets 1 BTC min
Bowjob: stop the dust
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27233775 = 272.3378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31662031 = 316.6203 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: how much of dice profits are from bets below .1?
Bowjob: not a lot
dub: I think a healthy return to $2 first
dub: is what we need
Bowjob: its below 4 BTC from doogs
Bowjob: chart
dub: and when I say we I mean I
Bugpowder_: shake out the weak hands
Bugpowder_: lol
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ the put short was sold 1.3-1.1 iirc
BitHub: s.dice should pay higher fees
Bugpowder_: yeah
BitHub: spamming cents
dub: s.deuce is paying higher fees as of today
BitHub: s.douche
dub: its part of the problem
BitHub: s stands for spam
dub: instead of only their txn stalling errybodys are
mircea_popescu: nobody can afford to outpay s.dice
doctor_pullfingr: maybe s.dice could charge a rpx for bets
mircea_popescu: consequently, all the libertards will get pushed out of bitcoin
Bugpowder_: 42.00
mircea_popescu: i'm rejoicing.
BitHub: someone should hax them for a week
doctor_pullfingr: mircea why rejoicing?
BitHub: i'm sick of sitting at cafes for 4 hours waiting for a transaction to confirm
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.3428 = 0.6856 BTC [-]
Bowjob: this is such a bear day
Bowjob: i cant bear to watch this bullshit
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27169201 = 271.692 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3160137 = 316.0137 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: definitely covering
Bugpowder_: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.5300001 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: 41.93
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85593586 = 855.9359 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: The dude finally made a profit
mircea_popescu: nice race too, i wonder how much they manage to squeeze through
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ he made pretty good loot, .3-4 over what, 15k ?
Bugpowder_: yeah
BitHub: mircea
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.344 = 5.16 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: is 24hprc even dropping yet?
BitHub: are u seeing this?
mircea_popescu: actuallly i think the calls are slightly ahead too
mircea_popescu: BitHub "this"
BitHub: otc room lulz
mircea_popescu: im not in -otc
BitHub: oh man its so lulz
Bowjob: dump dump dump USD
BitHub: <+starsoccer> wtf do you mean cia snitch
Bugpowder_: so which txns were stalled? All mine went thru?
mod6: starsoccer is a scammer
mod6: and for some reason, an op
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/283/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-hit-50-in-march/
BitHub: <danieldaniel> mircea got raided - lul
Bowjob: lots of free btc here
mircea_popescu: mod6 bitcoin-otc "selective evaporation" succeeded.
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders why gmaxwell is an idiot, that's it right there.
BitHub: people are really getting upset in otc mircea
BitHub: they think you're really gone haha
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: that they don't know about this chan i can see
BitHub: i should paste bin it for you
mircea_popescu: but they don't know twitter, either ? anything ?
mircea_popescu: so go ahead.
BitHub: i've never used it
BitHub: its funny as hell tho, main topic of discussion atm
Bowjob: someone is clearly dumping
mod6: no dandan fled, they were just spreading disinformation
mod6: i set 'em straight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.5300001 BTC [-]
BitHub: <bitcoinbubble> what happened to mpex.co
dub: I tried :( [18:55] <dub> bitcoinbubble: jews did mpex
Bugpowder_: Oooohhh yeah
Bugpowder_: 41.12
mircea_popescu: o boy.
BitHub: lul dub
BitHub: i saw some of those
Namworld: 5k BTC purchase and we'd be back to 48... thin line...
Namworld: I'm not sure we're done rising yet.
mod6: (15:53) <+mod6> (15:52) < danieldaniel> MPEX is gone << DDOS brought down the main site, you can get to it here: mpex.coinbr.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.47 = 3.76 BTC [+]
BitHub: <bitcoinbubble> did mpex guy run off with the money?
BitHub: lul!
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 471.638897 seconds
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.11111, Best ask: 41.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.38889, Last trade: 42.00000, 24 hour volume: 126252.65323883, 24 hour low: 40.14460, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.18147
mircea_popescu: lol jesus it's gonna be a day soon
Bowjob: :(
Bowjob: just go to coinlab
Bowjob: watch the dump
Bugpowder_: http://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=dark
Bugpowder_: is doing well
blu3gr1ffon: i like to watch it go up.
BitHub: "sell out to coinlab you know you want to"
dub: oh shi bitcoinity came back?
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowder_: ya
BitHub: they should have that on their site
Bowjob: this is actually called a bear trap
blu3gr1ffon: how so?
Namworld: 7 minute lag
Bugpowder_: LOL
blu3gr1ffon: ;;goxlag
gribble: 505.11974 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.0046 = 1.932 BTC [-]
Bowjob: 5k buy then 48
blu3gr1ffon: holy crap
Bugpowder_: fastcash4bitcoins suddenly has funds available to buy again
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowder_: I KNEW they just shut down buying into the blow off top
BitHub: heh all of a sudden hey bug
Bugpowder_: they had funds all along :)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ prolly ppl sold to them tho
Bugpowder_: mircea_popescu:
Bugpowder_: Bot from them
Bugpowder_: and only via bitcoinsdirect
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27153039 = 271.5304 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.12100, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.77900, Last trade: 41.02010, 24 hour volume: 126502.71591685, 24 hour low: 40.30100, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.17366
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31586188 = 315.8619 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: which is an email based service, so I doubt it.
thestringpuller: hahahahahahahahahabaha
Bowjob: we just hit under 41
Bowjob: its a market manipulator
thestringpuller: the algorithm worked!!!!!
Bugpowder_: Annoyed that I didn't sell more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: watch this
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ i didn't sell any.
Bugpowder_: didn't want trigger fatca
mod6: check out the depth now though: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
Bowjob: fuck that fuckta
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85630842 = 856.3084 BTC [+]
Bowjob: who cares
Bowjob: lol
mod6: i think we're going right backup
Bowjob: we just hot $40
Bowjob: https://www.canadianbitcoins.com/
Bowjob: Canadian bitcoins.. buy $55.. sell $42
Bowjob: ol
blu3gr1ffon: forty, wow.
Bowjob: $39
jurov: 10 minute lag... and bitcoincharts not with out either
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 10000
Bugpowder_: hmm... wonder if my mtgox bids actually got cancells
Bugpowder_: or not
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 392180.3720 USD and would take the last price down to 37.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 39.2180 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2549350.7477 USD and would take the last price down to 14.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 25.4935 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds
Bugpowder_: 39.5
thestringpuller: ick thank you gribble
jurov: ooooh quite a difference
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
thestringpuller: 42 is the real price
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
thestringpuller: assbot....
dub: ;;obip 1000
gribble: The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 41.38470 USD. | Data vintage: 86.2046 seconds
blu3gr1ffon: i'm glad it's happening now.
mircea_popescu: "^OIX": "7d": {"avg": "4746815366","min": "3024983876","max": "4950599490","vsh": "no","vsa": "1.89472677534E+12","cnt": ""}
blu3gr1ffon: it's been too nuts lately. need some stability
mircea_popescu: ftr.
thestringpuller: we still at 47 on OIX hmm
Bowjob: you can still sell bitcoins at 47 dollars each
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 200 @ 0.05329654 = 10.6593 BTC [-]
doctor_pullfingr: mircea - I thought you were in jail?
Bowjob: i mean
Bowjob: 43.
jurov: pssst, gox is falling
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr me ?
jurov: seems the lag grows faster than clock time
mircea_popescu: jurov cheeze
jurov: ;;goxlag
gribble: 814.286864 seconds
blu3gr1ffon: lol
Namworld: xD
kakobrekla: mpex deposits - faster than mtgox trading engine.
blu3gr1ffon: 36 does seem right Bugpowder_
blu3gr1ffon: then up from there
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya but mtgox is free*
thestringpuller: mpex is free too
kakobrekla: its free to read.
thestringpuller: if you know the right people
thestringpuller: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85668542 = 856.6854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27136871 = 271.3687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31571 = 315.71 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: OOOOooooooo
nanotube: mircea_popescu: mpex seems inaccessible atm?
blu3gr1ffon: so is coinbase out of btc?
Bugpowder_: here we go
Bugpowder_: 28.5
Bugpowder_: 38.5
Bugpowder_: hehehe
blu3gr1ffon: haha
mircea_popescu: nanotube main site is being ddosed. use proxies
mircea_popescu: mpex.coinbr.com etc.
kakobrekla: >Bitcoin Price Reaches All-Time High after Mt. Gox Announces CoinLab Partnership
kakobrekla: yeah, i also farted twice before the high.
Bugpowder_: So funny, coinlab didn't even have a chance to fuck it up
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah, didn't know there were proxies. :)
Bugpowder_: I wonder if my bids will get hit?
mircea_popescu: nanotube https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/309349518632157185
Bugpowder_: This is definitely a bad time for a market order
jurov: seems for mtgox is easier to split US off than to fix their engine
Namworld: this trend could revert in an instead like all the previous rises
mircea_popescu: Namworld true.
Bugpowder_: will my bids clear in time to catch the dump?
Bugpowder_: Namworld, the last 48 hours were very very simlar to last top
Bugpowder_: rise of over $10 in a day
Bowjob: ;;ticker
Namworld: eh, who knows
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 39.89000, 24 hour volume: 133904.00033926, 24 hour low: 38.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.87318
Bowjob: fuck
Bugpowder_: broke the 40 like nothing
Bugpowder_: the 36 is the real support though
Bugpowder_: err 35
kakobrekla: 34
Bugpowder_: ya
mircea_popescu: 12
Bugpowder_: 33
Bugpowder_: 13.5
kakobrekla: no, 34.
Bugpowder_: 34 from the chart, 33 from the bids
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.25000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 1.65000, Last trade: 39.90000, 24 hour volume: 134097.13923724, 24 hour low: 38.25000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.85953
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah cool. so i presume your twitter will keep listing the latest proxies?
mircea_popescu: nanotube if need be, yeah. or here.
nanotube: mmk
Bugpowder_: this is what happens when 100 people hit SELL MARKET at the same time
Bugpowder_: some bit now at 40.2
Bugpowder_: bid
hctib: hello
hctib: what's the damage?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mircea_popescu: mtgox exploded
hctib: 40.4 is my best guess at the ticker
hctib: and mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23556839 = 235.5684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26615673 = 266.1567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3108139 = 310.8139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hctib ppl are covering long positions desperately for the past hour or so
error4733: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149803.msg1591395#msg1591395
error4733: nice read
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.86980593 = 869.8059 BTC [+]
jurov: lol slush saw the mpex page and said "alpaca socks eshop was never hacked, too."
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 40.51000, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 39.89000, 24 hour volume: 137698.19346541, 24 hour low: 38.00100, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.72163
mircea_popescu: jurov yes but he's sore, cause he got linoded.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what is your private key?
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: but tell him i said his pool never saw as much btc as mpex saw this year alone.
Bugpowder_: nice, bids finnally are open
Bugpowder_: probably will bounce now :)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 469.590851 seconds
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
kakobrekla: still whole infrastructure is falling apart
kakobrekla: when major movements happen
kakobrekla: unserious
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is true.
Bowjob: ;ticker
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.00100, Best ask: 38.03130, Bid-ask spread: 0.03030, Last trade: 38.03130, 24 hour volume: 138552.24765830, 24 hour low: 37.90000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.68042
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, the 49-39 drop happened on 30k bitcoins worht of volume
mircea_popescu: which is like jackshit
Bugpowder_: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png is STALE
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.26 = 2.6 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: everything is broke
kakobrekla: txes dont get confirmed
kakobrekla: goxlag is days
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpex trades!
kakobrekla: last price uknown
dub: a LOT more coin jsut showed up for sale
kakobrekla: unknown
jurov: kakobrekla can't you just make assbot query proxy address?
dub: if it bounces its only gonna be for a minute
kakobrekla: some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.
dub: fucking pastebin down too
dub: shit is fucked up
blu3gr1ffon: dub, what do you mean it will only bounec for a minute?
mircea_popescu: Why is your site redirecting to the whitehouse? I thought it was secure?
mircea_popescu: Whitehouse was hacked.
mircea_popescu: lmao
dub: I think some people realised they might miss out on selling at 50, a shitload more asks showed up there recently, presumably to catch teh bounce
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.87894633 = 878.9463 BTC [+]
Bowjob: hold on tight, we are bouncing back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23360747 = 233.6075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26253021 = 262.5302 BTC [-]
Bowjob: panic selling and panic buying is always a bad idea
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.30740716 = 307.4072 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: after someone makes a fast trading engine
mircea_popescu: tell it to the options ppl lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
Bowjob: thats cuz someone dumped USD
mircea_popescu: mtgox is becoming as useful as bitcoinica.
Bowjob: it caused BTC to go billions
hctib: I can't connect to mpex.co
Bowjob: cant we have an anonymous exchange
dub: kakobrekla: perhaps something in teh /topic?
mircea_popescu: hctib mpex.coinbr.com
Bowjob: and an anonymous debit card
Bowjob: ..
hctib: thanks
kakobrekla: dub noone reads that
dub: but right now we cant go READ TEH FUCKING TOPIC
mircea_popescu: dub misses his creature conforts.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.00000, Best ask: 38.00190, Bid-ask spread: 1.00190, Last trade: 37.00000, 24 hour volume: 142568.29851439, 24 hour low: 37.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.49249
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1573 = 15.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i thought you were gonna go CAN'T ACCESS MPEX.CO : http://whitehouse.gov
kakobrekla: :p
dub: it'd sure be nice to trade on this
dub: oh hey gox farted out an update
dub: <bitcoinRT> Mar07 00:33:45 mtgox x499 5,774.6084 @ 37.8195421 USD
jurov: coinbr keeps getting mpex deposits as if nothing was happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00073204 = 49.6323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00073204 = 49.6323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8573 @ 0.00074999 = 6.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8573 @ 0.00074999 = 6.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00074999 = 4.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00074999 = 4.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1817112 @ 0.00075 = 1362.834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1817112 @ 0.00075 = 1362.834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P210T] 10 @ 0.05264551 = 0.5265 BTC [-]
jurov: business.as.usual
mircea_popescu: lol now there's an echo ?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31000, Best ask: 37.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.69000, Last trade: 36.31000, 24 hour volume: 146035.97593336, 24 hour low: 36.31000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.31001
Bowjob: damn
Bowjob: i shoulda listned to bug that time
Bowjob: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 200 @ 0.05608295 = 11.2166 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o nelly
jcpham: y hello
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23340951 = 233.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26219875 = 262.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3070958 = 307.0958 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 76 @ 0.65 = 49.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.87975412 = 879.7541 BTC [+]
dub: mpex making banque
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HruSsPKVjuc :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
Eduard_Munteanu: s/copacul/bitcoinul/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.15664416 = 156.6442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.17343444 = 173.4344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.19179501 = 191.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.2117738 = 211.7738 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ohoho. capitulation eh
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23340951 = 233.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26219875 = 262.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3070958 = 307.0958 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
Bowjob: gah
Bowjob: fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.425 = 2.975 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31000, Best ask: 36.34608, Bid-ask spread: 0.03608, Last trade: 36.31000, 24 hour volume: 157207.79114001, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.69425
Eduard_Munteanu: I should really go play a game or something, else I might do something stupid like buy in again too early.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
jcpham: i did some profit taking at 50 otc
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/tx/13dffdaef097881acfe9bdb5e6338192242d80161ffec264ee61cf23bc9a1164
Bowjob: Look at this guys
jcpham: which i am mildly proud of
jurov: maybe start buying slowly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.44 = 14.4 BTC [-]
Bowjob: bug
Bowjob: dude
Bowjob: how did u see that coming
Bowjob: wtf
jcpham: eligius mined it
Bowjob: i woulda believed u honestly if u didnt buy puts and got killed
jcpham: i asked luke
Eduard_Munteanu: I'm worried bad news might hit US, then Europe by tommorow and they'll sell further. The market depth is rather pathetic.
jcpham: eligius mined the 95btc txn block
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu and to think ppl were whining about s.dice mkt depth
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: market depth seemed much better before we hit $40
Eduard_Munteanu: Like, a couple of days ago.
blu3gr1ffon: yup, coinbase is empty
dub: this is glorious
blu3gr1ffon: how do I get BTC now?
Eduard_Munteanu: blu3gr1ffon: mtgox?
dub: why would you want it?
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, you have USD.
mircea_popescu: blu3gr1ffon you can't, it has to crash for the iluminati to make bank first.
blu3gr1ffon: oh fuck it
dub: there will be plenty for everyone under $1
jcpham: hahahaha dub
blu3gr1ffon: hooray? :/
mircea_popescu: fudb
dub: shh
jcpham: hooray if you sold today
jcpham: not hooray if you bought
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.00000, Best ask: 35.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 35.60000, 24 hour volume: 157738.28216881, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.65915
Bowjob: Wow
mircea_popescu: le 35
Bowjob: I can't watch
Bowjob: it hurts
jcpham: hge haircut today for any buyer
mircea_popescu: teaches them to buy into scams.
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
blu3gr1ffon: so laggy it's broken
jcpham: buy before noon, lose %20 by dinner
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
dub: ;;calc 157738*43.66
gribble: 6886841.08
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
dub: record?
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jcpham: borked
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.10667, Best ask: 35.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88333, Last trade: 34.70000, 24 hour volume: 157860.94560379, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.64208
error4733: 7M$ wow
dub: USD$7m volume
Bowjob: capitulation
dub: this is not france
dub: this is BITCOIIIIIN
blu3gr1ffon: parlay!
Bowjob: RIP guys, see you at single digits
blu3gr1ffon: to change!
mircea_popescu: abnd now the mpoe bot can't quote anymore because the pricefeed finally died.
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to make a motherfucking exchange.
jurov: it doesn't use bitcoincharts?
dub: nah, just use one from magic teh gathering, It'll do
mircea_popescu: jurov mpioe ? yes.
Bowjob: i wanna ignore bitcoin
Bowjob: like for a mont
Bowjob: its hard
Bowjob: lol
assbot: want some help?
mod6: ahh 34!
jurov: !ticker m s.mpoe
Bowjob: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
Bowjob: yeap, back to where we started
gribble: 217.923764 seconds
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
mod6: ups and downs.
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: 185.819061 seconds
jurov: assbot, you better watch ur own stuff
assbot: Whitehouse does not know S.MPOE.
error4733: omg
jurov: live.coinbr.com does. shame on you
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.40000 U.S. dollars = 26.3945369 Euros
Namworld: what happened to options?
mod6: (17:04) <@assbot> Whitehouse does not know S.MPOE. << O.O ?! LOL
mircea_popescu: lmao
jurov: Namworld, 1. whale dumped them
jurov: 2. mpoe bot doesn't know what the price is
jurov: due to general breakage
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
kakobrekla: facepalm
mircea_popescu: lag to retrieving lag : 500 seconds
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.42000, Best ask: 35.49800, Bid-ask spread: 0.07800, Last trade: 35.42000, 24 hour volume: 162587.00601570, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.31335
Bowjob: well fuck
Bowjob: ill bury my coins
Bowjob: be right
kakobrekla: 33.something on stamp
Bowjob: back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.91703169 = 917.0317 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.87188, Best ask: 35.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12812, Last trade: 35.00000, 24 hour volume: 163347.55998439, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.27533
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18440754 = 184.4075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20415297 = 204.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22560969 = 225.6097 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a ok we be back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24880864 = 248.8086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.2932762 = 293.2762 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: crazy shit, 43.8 vwap
Bugpowder: Got filled. Now bounce dammit!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 82 @ 0.06075508 = 4.9819 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: where at
Bugpowder: 36.33 and maybe 35, don't remember. Had a 33.33 too but not hit yet
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 255 @ 0.06075508 = 15.4925 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: p31 selling srsly ?
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: ;;goxfag
gribble: Error: "goxfag" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: orly.
mircea_popescu: like the other is.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 19 @ 0.009 = 0.171 BTC [+]
jurov: gribble chokes on something in https://mtgox.com/api/1/generic/order/lag
AndroUser512: Whoa why is btc so low?
mircea_popescu: AndroUser512 because white house hacked mpex
AndroUser512: Nah
assbot: [MPEX] [WHITEHOUSE] 1 @ 0.1337 [+]
jurov: !ticker m whitehouse
Bugpowder: Yesss
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
Bugpowder: Holy shit! Ingot filled at 33.35
mircea_popescu: 10k ?
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 24.677975 seconds
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.16249, Best ask: 37.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.83751, Last trade: 37.00000, 24 hour volume: 167512.14667412, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.08314
Bugpowder: 33.335 actually
Bugpowder: I am
Bugpowder: In the zone
jurov: ineresting, bitcoinity thinks lag is 18s and price going up to 38
kakobrekla: 37 on stamp
kakobrekla: from 33
kakobrekla: first rebounce
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18362231 = 183.6223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20334305 = 203.3431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22478093 = 224.7809 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24796781 = 247.9678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29181519 = 291.8152 BTC [-]
AndroUser512: But for real did something notable happen or is this a good ole correction? Im mobile n cant research atm
kakobrekla: 40 at stamp
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: AndroUser512 nothing really happened.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.14195, Best ask: 39.47423, Bid-ask spread: 2.33228, Last trade: 39.47423, 24 hour volume: 168473.22517826, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.05309
AndroUser512: Thx
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.92096486 = 920.9649 BTC [+]
jurov: AndroUser512 Maybe something behind scenes with coinlab or so.
Chaang-Noi: bulls on parade!
kakobrekla: 42 on stamp hehe
Chaang-Noi: sp gpx dead?
Chaang-Noi: btc-e is higher than gox? oh lol
Chaang-Noi: gox really does seem dead?
Chaang-Noi: ;;gox lag
gribble: Error: "gox" is not a valid command.
dub: yeah it is
Chaang-Noi: ;;goxlag
gribble: 288.353468 seconds
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.47800, Best ask: 39.87296, Bid-ask spread: 0.39496, Last trade: 39.87296, 24 hour volume: 164990.11107081, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.09008
Chaang-Noi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L4YrGaR8E4
Chaang-Noi: okay we need to really start a collection fuind for mt gox to get them new hardware...
kakobrekla: like any hw can fix that.
Chaang-Noi: what does the nyse have?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 3-4k btc didn't help the forum
Chaang-Noi: also is it not a hardware issue? where they hacked?
kakobrekla: its a sw issue
mircea_popescu: if you can't get a forum to run stable out of > 100k usd, mtgox is outside of what the world can affoerd
Chaang-Noi: oh
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if theymos just kept/spent the fourm money, his plan of fractional reserves i was lik ewtf...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.92093144 = 920.9314 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: his what ?
kakobrekla: he invested in bitcoinica or asic
kakobrekla: im sure
mod6: lol bitcoinica
Chaang-Noi: he was going to let people hold some of the funds but let them spend them...
Chaang-Noi: i was thinking yeah, he is doing that so he can, its retarded
dub: he's best buddies with interscamgo and nefario
dub: so its probably invested there
Chaang-Noi: he is no longer friends with nefario lol
Chaang-Noi: theymos holds glbse money
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure...
dub: be great if he could refund me
Chaang-Noi: he was just saying how if neferio lost his keys theymos cant release the money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00072486 = 7.7198 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: theymos, lol...
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.91161, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08839, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 166111.09431322, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.05643
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14910824 = 149.1082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.16554201 = 165.542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18359431 = 183.5943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20331669 = 203.3167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22475653 = 224.7565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24794567 = 247.9457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29181519 = 291.8152 BTC [-]
Pasko_: ;;goxlag
gribble: 356.354255 seconds
joallard: bluh
Namworld: Seriously...
Chaang-Noi: yeah
Chaang-Noi: gox seems dead... like dead dead
Namworld: I'm freakin exhausted by this freakin never fixed lag issues.
Namworld: It just keeps happening again and again and again
mod6: well, there are 69,000 people hitting refresh on gox
mod6: so...
Chaang-Noi: yeah im doing f5 over and over about as fast as i cant type :)
Namworld: Should hardly be an issue with a proper setup.
Chaang-Noi: agree
Namworld: With on demand nodes filling in for demand.
Chaang-Noi: oh well coinlab will take over anyway
Namworld: Elastic computing...
jurov: even reddit noticed: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19szhx/mpexco_is_redirecting_to_whitehousegov/
pigeons: cheap PR
jurov: yea, but nobody was around to explain them what happened for 2 hours
jurov: that's abput their attn span
jurov: *about
dub: wait noagendamarket is eskimobob?
jcpham: hahahha
Chaang-Noi: was mpex hacked?
pigeons: he's not but that would be good
Namworld: nope, was not
jurov: Chaang-Noi, no it was just bought by coinbr
Namworld: lol jurov... right...
Chaang-Noi: what?
pigeons: us mpex customers now need to use coinlab
Chaang-Noi: lol
Namworld: Chaang: being DDoS'ed
Chaang-Noi: cant take this trolling before coffee:)
jurov: Chaang-Noi read my comment on reddit
Chaang-Noi: ahh okay thanks
Namworld: so mpex.co now redirects to whitehouse.gov
jurov: it's tldr
Namworld: you can access using mpex.coinbr.com for now
Namworld: which proxies the backend
dub: jurov: how about my comment
Namworld: only the mpex.co frontend is being DDoS'ed
Namworld: I think
Chaang-Noi: oh lol, they redirected the attack to the whitehouse? is that a good idea? :)
dub: its an idea
Chaang-Noi: yes it is:)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14908358 = 149.0836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.16551813 = 165.5181 BTC [-]
dub: we have had no word of a drone strike to date
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18357148 = 183.5715 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20329519 = 203.2952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22473663 = 224.7366 BTC [-]
jurov: Namworld if this causes to overstep my bitvps bandwidth, or causes bitvps to be included in ddos outright
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 18 @ 0.24792761 = 4.4627 BTC [-]
jurov: what will you do?
dub: eww coinbr is on bitvps?
jurov: jeeez
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.9209042 = 920.9042 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi what can it hurt ? ddoser gets to be first drone victim ?
Namworld: i would be surprised, jurov
jurov: lmao
Chaang-Noi: mp, they might think you are part of the attack
Chaang-Noi: i know how americans with drones think....
jcpham: easy to explain
jcpham: just say you meant whitehouse.com
Chaang-Noi: not that anything will come of it but still
jcpham: total typo
mircea_popescu: i thought the sec was watching this chan
mircea_popescu: what, they lack reading comprehension ?
Chaang-Noi: who told you sec was here?
Chaang-Noi: and why would they be here?
Chaang-Noi: fbi/dea maybe but sec? lol
mircea_popescu: nefario.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i highly doubt they can get decent evidance from this chan
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.00000, Best ask: 41.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 41.00000, 24 hour volume: 167242.60774519, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.02128
Bowjob: $41 now wtf
Bowjob: is going on\
dub: bitcoin
Chaang-Noi: in a stong bull market corrects are sharp and fast bowjob
Bowjob: I just sait it out
Bowjob: *sat
jurov: in case of drone strike i'm using human shield
Bowjob: none of this bullshit panic buy and sell
Chaang-Noi: oh, i thought we were going to buy back in at $36?
jurov: they have built here insanely dense residential blocks , like 10k people per square kilometer
Bowjob: I got burned 800 dollars
Bowjob: fuck that
jurov: and i'm sitting inthe middle
Bowjob: no more panic sell
Bowjob: and panic buy
Chaang-Noi: 800 dollars? its just fiat anyway...
dub: jurov: ask pakistan how that worked out
Bowjob: well it was unrealized gain
Bowjob: so its all good
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: dub has a point.
Bowjob: man
Bowjob: some of my classmates have babies now
Bowjob: wtf
Bowjob: i've known them since second grade.. i still remember those days
Bowjob: .. wtf time
Chaang-Noi: you dont know how sex works?
Bowjob: stahp
Bowjob: no, just saying. if i could wake up as a third grader, i could blend in
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/global-slavery-by-the-numbers/?smid=tw-nytimesbits&seid=auto
Bowjob: just with 12 extra years of exp
Chaang-Noi: would be odd trying to date a 3rd grader however...
jurov: at least such casualties need obama's signature. mircea i doubt you have 30 girls around you in the mansion at all times
mircea_popescu: While slavery is illegal across the globe, the SumAll Foundation noted, there are 27 million slaves worldwide, more than in 1860, when there were 25 million.
mircea_popescu: this is like... lincoln won the war on slavery.
pigeons: praise be upon him
Chaang-Noi: Sexual slavery brings the slave’s owner $18,000 over the slave’s working life in Thailand (this used to be a big problem, they used to go around in van and steal kids)
Bowjob: it woulda nice to panic sell for a bit
Bowjob: then bought back
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: mammon has a huge grip on us
Bowjob: its delicious
Bowjob: we are all going burn in hell for it. might as well enjoy life
Bowjob: hehe
jurov: third grader, ic
mircea_popescu: !!Please note!! that the Bitcoin value is changing in daily basis! Therefore the price might also change if the invoice is not paid right away!
mircea_popescu: Reference Number: 11714
mircea_popescu: Error getting json fileThe current exchange rate we accept for Bitcoin:
mircea_popescu: 1 BTC = -0.3 USD
mircea_popescu: what the fucking fuck.
mircea_popescu: 100 btc for 30 bux ? rly ?!
Chaang-Noi: where?
grubles: i, too, have heard the sec watches this chan
Bowjob: where
Bowjob: ill buy it
grubles: <_< >_>
pigeons: I heard they are wondering about goat
Chaang-Noi: they have been trying to talk to me
mircea_popescu: some dumbass "orangesite" hoster
pigeons: they want some insured pass through
mircea_popescu: wants to charge me 100 btc for 30 bux
Chaang-Noi: yeah, that insured ppt cost me pigeons, that was some fail
Chaang-Noi: did you buy into that?
pigeons: no
mircea_popescu: http://www.btcwebhost.com/cart.php?a=view
mircea_popescu: emote server or file not found
Chaang-Noi: well i paid it back quickly
mircea_popescu: dude bitcoin hiosting is a joke.
dub: namecheap takes btc nao
dub: and does hosting in addition to names
Chaang-Noi: i heart namecheap cant wait to pay next bill
mircea_popescu: dub i been hosting with nc since 2001 i think
mircea_popescu: but i won't host there
Chaang-Noi: action at gox now, a bit, near 42
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.91731637 = 917.3164 BTC [-]
Guest4040: yeah, trying to get my sells in
kakobrekla: 45 on stamp
Chaang-Noi: glad we got that correction out of the way
Bowjob_: that was merely a bear trap
mircea_popescu: # You did not enter your first name # You did not enter your last name # You did not enter your email address # You did not enter your address (line 1) # You did not enter your city # You did not enter your state # You did not enter your postcode # You did not enter your phone number # You are required to enter a security answer # You did not enter a password # Date of Birth is required #
mircea_popescu: dude srlsy ?!
mircea_popescu: bitcoin hosting, date of birth is required ?
mircea_popescu: what is WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE
Bugpowdrrr: sweeeet.
jurov: you forgot gender and boob size
[\\\]: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/309345069461303296
[\\\]: didn't pirate say the same thing?
jcpham: pretty sure he did
jcpham: maybe i've heard gmaxwell say it too
jcpham: you think they are all the same person [\\\]
[\\\]: duh!
jcpham: man what a trip
Bugpowdrrr: 43.15
dub: gavin gonna jump ship
Bugpowdrrr: Got out on the bouuuuunce
Chaang-Noi: lol war in the dev leadership we dont know about?
dub: sould you want to work with those toolbags?
dub: would*
smickles: so ;;ticker
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50001, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 41.90000, 24 hour volume: 169395.11137261, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01063
Bowjob_: what dev war lol
Bowjob_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50001, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 41.90000, 24 hour volume: 169388.95028261, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01069
Bugpowdrrr: probably will fade back down from here...
Chaang-Noi: gavin just seemed like grumbelinz, but you know he has coins.. he gots to be a rich guy by now
mircea_popescu: how do you know he got coins ?
[\\\]: because satoshi
Chaang-Noi: i dont know he has coins, but i highly suspect
Bowjob_: well he probably has coins since he gave away a fuckton
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21961 @ 0.00075 = 16.4708 BTC [+]
Bowjob_: to the faucet
Bowjob_: its a good bet to assume he has tons of it
Chaang-Noi: also if he shorted on bitcoinica, lol
smickles: ;;calc 31/1.06498
gribble: 29.1085278597
smickles: mpex options so imba
Bugpowdrrr: !ticker m s.mpoe
Bugpowdrrr: someone bought 7M shares
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.59217, Best ask: 41.59320, Bid-ask spread: 0.00103, Last trade: 43.90000, 24 hour volume: 169891.04250013, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01660
Bowjob_: http://s24.postimage.org/onppwxshx/35808271.jpg
Bugpowdrrr: And MPOE is probably down 5k right now.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdrrr it sold like 70k of calls you know ?
mircea_popescu: or 80k even
mod6: yeah, 89`125 CALL
mod6: 13`587 PUT
Namworld: Someone was selling calls?
mircea_popescu: something like 14k iirc
Namworld: Oh... right... price is low... can't be purchases
mircea_popescu: Namworld yes they were selling calls bought yest
[\\\]: I see we had a 30% swing in the price today
[\\\]: I hope people realize just how shallow the kiddie pool still is
Bugpowdrrr: Customers made money on the calls right?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: maybe on the lowo nes,
Namworld: Apparently not, price is popping right back up.
Bugpowdrrr: the short put covering was pretty big too thoguh
Bugpowdrrr: hmm
Bugpowdrrr: ok
mircea_popescu: the short put guy made like .2-3 per contract
mircea_popescu: i wouyld guess
Bugpowdrrr: Wasn't watching. Eat dinner. Was a good day for me :)
Bugpowdrrr: Now if we blast thru 50, I will be seriously impressed.
dub: network is still pretty hosed
Bugpowdrrr: I made a few transfers today, no problem at all
dub: currently 2.5k unconfirmed
dub: still some scope for confidence trashing news hits
dub: gox is still lagged by 8 minutes
dub: mpex still hacked by the gubbermint
dub: $2 still imminent
Bowjob_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.00000, Best ask: 43.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 43.00000, 24 hour volume: 167804.82008240, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.03618
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1569 @ 0.0046 = 7.2174 BTC [-]
Bugpowdrrr: bitcoinity is really holding up the best in these tough conditions
Chaang-Noi: thats where im at, i tipped him yesterday
Bugpowdrrr: yah I should tip too
Bugpowdrrr: first time I saw the site was today
Chaang-Noi: frolm the site whiskey fund: 1EWjHKPYGAJ3v5LnDyBo3Fn1PFsazBstqk |
Bugpowdrrr: was very helpful.
mircea_popescu: what does it do ?
Chaang-Noi: i sent .1337 should buy him a beer or two
Chaang-Noi: its live charts mp
Chaang-Noi: charts that work
dub: its been down for like a year though right?
Chaang-Noi: i honestly dont know
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 49
gribble: There are currently 18888.341 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 892422.114396 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: cool, nice to have.
Bugpowdrrr: and now its down?!?
Bugpowdrrr: nah just lagged
Bugpowdrrr: expecting retrace to 40 here
mircea_popescu: yeah lagged again
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 43.01009, Bid-ask spread: 0.41009, Last trade: 43.02000, 24 hour volume: 168407.58530743, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.04250
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
mircea_popescu: ^OIX: "7d": {"avg": "4711973083","min": "3024713516","max": "4855255527","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.56240676575E+12","cnt": ""}
mircea_popescu: i'm like the new assbot
Chaang-Noi: lol assbot :)
Chaang-Noi: !goat
Chaang-Noi: 45
Bugpowdrrr: strong
Bugpowdrrr: impressive
Chaang-Noi: mp how much is a slave in romania, i feel too rich/lazy to do my work...
Bugpowdrrr: Taking the Kruggerand photo
mircea_popescu: i dunno that they have those here.
mod6: (17:16) <@assbot> [MPEX] [WHITEHOUSE] 1 @ 0.1337 [+]
mod6: ^^^ lol @ that
mod6: and yeah +1 on "WE NEED A MOTHERFUCKING EXCHANGE"
mod6: we need like 3 that are all independant of eachother
mod6: and good ones that don't fucking break when a guy wants to sell a few, or more.
mod6: and then with MPEx serving up options and futures, we'll have a nice little btc finance ecosystem
mod6: but all of this reliance on gox is for the birds.
dub: I've been waiting a long time for someone to simply dos gox for a few weeks
dub: completely kill bitcoin
Bugpowdrrr: http://i.imgur.com/iLyZxUZ.jpg
pgp: hopefully coinlab will be able to "improve" the mtgox experience...
pgp: smaller exchanges are starting to get some traction, though...
pgp: bitfloor and bitstamp do a decent job of it...
Chaang-Noi: 36 again. fuck me
Bugpowdrrr: told ya
Bugpowdrrr: that was more violent than expected though
Namworld: Wait, back down to 36?
dub: someone needs to tell gox
doctor_pullfingr: bid still at 43
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 40 minutes and 10 seconds
Bugpowdrrr: eep 1740.26 2 minutes ago 36.000
mircea_popescu: holy hell
mircea_popescu: what is this about asics and whatnot ?
mod6: (19:12) < dub> I've been waiting a long time for someone to simply dos gox for a few weeks << exactly.
Bugpowdrrr: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 41 seconds
Namworld: ;;bids 35
gribble: There are currently 2015.0753 bitcoins demanded at or over 35.0 USD, worth 70734.225723 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0052 seconds
Bugpowdrrr: clark moody is fd up
dub: bitcoincharts feed has been dead for an hour
Namworld: [22:19] <@gribble> There are currently 2.189923 bitcoins demanded at or over 36.0 USD, worth 82.4772267629 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.4769
Namworld: [22:19] <@gribble> There are currently 181.27547 bitcoins offered at or under 42.0 USD, worth 7608.18637359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 35.9463 seconds
Namworld: I just checked on OTC. These spreads are ridiculous
dub: I wouldnt trust that
dub: there is basically no way of knowing what the price is
Namworld: Maybe delayed... but clarkmoody shows the same
Bugpowdrrr: clarkmoody is dead
Namworld: It looks like the spread is gone
mod6: breathe
Bugpowdrrr: bitcoinity
Namworld: the bids/asks I mean
dub: the gox trade page has 0.04 spread
Bugpowdrrr: ah
Bugpowdrrr: lol
Chaang-Noi: back to 42 :)
Chaang-Noi: i think people just cant make orders at gox, so no vol so crazy movements
Namworld: dub: so does clarkmoody says, 0.04 spread
Bugpowdrrr: .04 spread on the orders that were placed 10 minutes ago. What about the population that is in the queue ahead of you?
dub: its pretty lulzy
dub: the entire bitcoin economy is a casino at this point
dub: price is some random value between 33 and 49
Namworld: and it's killing commerce
Chaang-Noi: yeah... it will stabilize around $1000 in a few years...
Namworld: These swings will undo all the adoption by serious businesses at this rate.
dub: hopefully
dub: as I keep saying, inb4 $2
mod6: mtgox must go away after this
dub: its been worse before
dub: I dunno if its still there but at one point a 20k btc trade halted teh engine until mark woke up and confirmed it
mod6: yeah, but something better must be constructed, and then have peers that are the same in construction
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinity.org/markets
dub: as in, its a hard coded failsafe
mircea_popescu: that graph looks like it's had a heart attack
Namworld: MtGox doesn't need to go. Just replace the hardware. It appears they are running on a Commodore 64 currently.
Namworld: Need an upgrade
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: they're spending something like 10k a month on hardware.
dub: its not the hardware its teh retard driving it
mircea_popescu: which is you kniow... more than the market cap of all but a few bitcoin businesses.
mod6: thats insane
mod6: $10K USD?!
mircea_popescu: it's what they declare(d)
mod6: i guess maybe for the hosting... *shrug*, but its got to be rebuilt better
mircea_popescu: heh. mtgox jusrt stole .2 btc from me.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i went ahead and used them as a pp for some obscure host
mircea_popescu: 7 confirms, "There are not enough bitcoins on this address."
mircea_popescu: in spite of you know, having showed it "about to confirm" earlier.
mircea_popescu: when it had 5
mod6: :<
Chaang-Noi: lol 2013.. using gox!
Bowjob: so what now
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.36000, Best ask: 41.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 41.89000, 24 hour volume: 181522.58600462, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.83448
Bugpowdrrr: take a nap
Chaang-Noi: yeah im going afk.. crazyu shit
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.31407, Best ask: 40.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.63593, Last trade: 40.95000, 24 hour volume: 181582.58134847, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.83060
Bowjob: can we go to 50 please
Bowjob: lol
Bugpowdrrr: unlikely
Bugpowdrrr: America just needs to go to bed
Bugpowdrrr: and let gox recover
Bowjob: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1054
Bowjob: I won this bet
Bowjob: I feel that I should get a bit more than 0.3 for winning the bet. sigh
Bugpowdrrr: hey, that's like 20 LTC!
Bowjob: 200
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: well i got .83 now
Bowjob: it was 0,5 my bet
Bowjob: mhm
ThickAsThieves: i missed the crash of 2013!
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 49
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224620 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1171 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4738813.84956 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.49241
gribble: There are currently 22518.834 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 1059107.62381 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0025 seconds
Bugpowdrrr: ThickAsThieves: It won't be the last
Bugpowdrrr: We have not seen REAL fear yet
ThickAsThieves: hopefully they won't be any bigger
Bugpowdrrr: Protip : when the price is up more than $10 in a day, sell some.
Bugpowdrrr: Set a bid at 33% below
Bowjob: yep sell some USD to buy BTC
Bowjob: !
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00549 = 0.0494 BTC [+]
Ukto: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg1594354#msg1594354
dub: pitty it didnt say 'so I whipped up assbot api integration'!
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: 500 Internal Server Error
mircea_popescu: nginx/1.2.1
mircea_popescu: who was saying this bitcoinity thing is the best since sliced mpex ?
dub: heh apparently SA hacked mpex
Bugpowdrrr: oops
mircea_popescu: dub haha
mircea_popescu: don't tell me they just owned themselves.
dub: no, this is just some aspie shutin wisdom from the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1594343#msg1594343
mircea_popescu: meanwhile txs sent 3 hours ago are still unincluded
mircea_popescu: dude people wanted bitcoin to be the new visa ?
mircea_popescu: lay down the pipe.
dub: yeah back up to 3k unconfirmed
dub: you need to beat s.deuce fee of .001 to play bitcoin now
Bowjob: increase th limit
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00549 = 0.0329 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/4dhQMDS.png
Bowjob: just saying
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.25430, Best ask: 41.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04570, Last trade: 41.25330, 24 hour volume: 180985.14101528, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.80335
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0051 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4645 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1537 = 0.3074 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.80000, Best ask: 40.90102, Bid-ask spread: 0.10102, Last trade: 40.80000, 24 hour volume: 182448.07724014, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.76346
Bowjob: what a crash
Bowjob: actually i cant complain lol
Bowjob: we need more good news
Bowjob: how about warren buffer dumping 1 bil to play with
Bowjob: buffet
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 608 @ 0.005 = 3.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.005 = 0.035 BTC [-]
Bowjob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeu_EMPd038
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.0049 = 0.0392 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.0044 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0044 = 0.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00261 BTC [-]
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/M3QffS5.jpg
Namworld: Nope
Namworld: We're in the bulltrap/return to normal
Namworld: I'm saying hello to 16-18 USD/BTC already
BitHub: ballz out
Bowjob: wall street didn't play yet
Bowjob: def bear trap
Namworld: if we're at that part of the bubble, we didn't start going parabolic yet... and what we've seen so far is "slow growth"
Namworld: So we'd hit like 10 000 USD/BTC at the peak or something...
Namworld: Why would "wall street" play?
BitHub: i thought that was wall street the last few days?
BitHub: n today
BitHub: i wonder how merchants went today that do pricing
Namworld: Seriously, why would the whole world suddenly adopt Bitcoins? It doesn't solve any of their problem nor is it convenient for their daily transactions.
Namworld: We reached the top of the speculative bubble with the near 50 USD/BTC today
Namworld: What I think.
BitHub: i dont think the whooooole world
BitHub: cash is still king
BitHub: but its very good replacement for credit cards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
Bowjob: mt goxxxxxxxx
Chaang-Noi: mtgox is dead dead... crazy
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.39000, Best ask: 40.40002, Bid-ask spread: 0.01002, Last trade: 40.60000, 24 hour volume: 181729.26901555, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.70517
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.80001, Best ask: 40.84934, Bid-ask spread: 0.04933, Last trade: 40.80000, 24 hour volume: 182163.30359383, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.69988
Bowjob: 49.09, the high of 2013
Namworld: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
Namworld: I haven't seen the orderbook looking bearish like that since forever.
Chaang-Noi: still we are over $40 we were 12 at the new year
Chaang-Noi: that site wont load for me
Chaang-Noi: im damn pleased with anything stable over 30
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0046 = 0.92 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: but then i bought in at 3.5 :/
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.75068, Best ask: 41.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24932, Last trade: 40.75068, 24 hour volume: 181704.41636332, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.68779
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14351396 = 143.514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.1597016 = 159.7016 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.93627, Best ask: 41.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06373, Last trade: 41.00000, 24 hour volume: 181664.32887886, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.68317
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17755199 = 177.552 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19711386 = 197.1139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.21844012 = 218.4401 BTC [-]
Bowjob: My TX wont confirm
Bowjob: wtf
Bowjob: nvm it confirmed now. 2 hour wait
Bowjob: with tx
Bowjob: lol
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: I received one with 0 fees... it's just not getting included at all no matter how long I wait...
Namworld: stupid no fee
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.20704 BTC [-]
Bowjob: should raise the min fee on dice
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-X-Au9HrmI&feature=youtu.be
mircea_popescu: check out about minute 3
mircea_popescu: keiser really likes bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074252 = 9.5785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00073731 = 1.2903 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: https://btct.co/security/CRYPTO-TRADE
ThickAsThieves: that's $160,000 USD for 20% of profits in IPO
ThickAsThieves: thems some big britches
ThickAsThieves: mp, this guy is following your PR advice http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1125.msg7813.html#msg7813
mircea_popescu: 4k btc ?
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: is what they want
ThickAsThieves: suatmm
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50540, Best ask: 41.54691, Bid-ask spread: 0.04151, Last trade: 41.54691, 24 hour volume: 185495.99289508, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.64250
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 59 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00075 = 13.2375 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.96634, Best ask: 41.96636, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 41.96634, 24 hour volume: 185593.98262870, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.64002
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.10081, Best ask: 42.10082, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 42.10082, 24 hour volume: 185130.68959519, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.63475
Bowjob: we need satoshi to go back
Bowjob: and fix the blocksize limit
mircea_popescu: let people add tx fees.
Bowjob: just like the dude who sent 94 BTC as tx fee
mircea_popescu: lol tya
Chaang-Noi: any word on gox?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13424 @ 0.00075 = 10.068 BTC [+]
Bowjob: wheres that topic again
Bowjob: of the dude who sent 94 BTC as tx
Namworld: I want to see that one
mircea_popescu: bah bitcoincharts is crashed so bad
maximian: who can think that BTC is ready for primetime with all these service failures
maximian: needs another year in the oven
mircea_popescu: maximian indeed.
Chaang-Noi: about gox...
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> 02:08 <@MagicalTux> Blitzboom: we're working on some changes that will improve this a lot
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> 02:08 < Blitzboom> ETA?
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> 02:08 <@MagicalTux> we're pushing this urgently (but still after testing), so whithin next 24 hours
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> probably this update is being pushed to prod
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> and it will be back within hours
saulimus: improve what?
mircea_popescu: their 10 minute to half hour execution delay
Chaang-Noi: if you get a trade done in 30 mins seems you are lucky :/
Chaang-Noi: however now it is starting to flow a bit
mircea_popescu: ya, people went to bed
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i should too but its 2pm
Ukto: https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.ASICMINER-PT <-- graphs are now on a 15 sec live feed. no more refreshing to see trades
TradeFortress: Ukto, does the orderbook refill too?
Ukto: it will soon
Ukto: alot easier now
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.08002, Best ask: 42.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31998, Last trade: 42.40000, 24 hour volume: 177673.50153615, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.48382
Ukto: with the changes i setup tonight
Ukto: I was just taking a quick break from the big project
Bowjob: I call that.. the bear trap
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.20000, Best ask: 42.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 42.20000, 24 hour volume: 177432.50058775, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.47390
Bowjob: ;;goxlag
gribble: 441.561708 seconds
Enky: 440 sec lag? eternity...
mircea_popescu: yeah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7411 @ 0.0046 = 34.0906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 389 @ 0.00469999 = 1.8283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.0048 = 5.76 BTC [+]
oizotov: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.90001, Best ask: 42.95100, Bid-ask spread: 0.05099, Last trade: 42.90001, 24 hour volume: 175372.31802034, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.41063
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01590, Best ask: 44.12068, Bid-ask spread: 0.10478, Last trade: 44.01590, 24 hour volume: 177965.13484133, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.40520
Chaang-Noi: movement at gox, and the direction is up
Bowjob: The bear trap
pizzaman1337: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.687269 seconds
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.17120, Best ask: 44.20001, Bid-ask spread: 0.02881, Last trade: 44.39000, 24 hour volume: 177233.90169868, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.37772
Bowjob: not bad
Anduck: well
Anduck: IT SHOULD BE 60 USD ALREDY
Anduck: BUY BUY BUY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00075 = 7.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol rebound ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.65 = 12.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00075 = 37.5 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mp hard to say if gox is even working
Chaang-Noi: for all we know gox is hand picking the trades
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: mpoe hasn't been quoting for like 6 hours because it can't get a coherent feed
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinity.org/markets bitcoinity is back online at least.
Anduck: i heard mpex got ddos'd
mircea_popescu: Anduck still going.
Anduck: well, anything you will do to stop it?
mircea_popescu: nope.
Anduck: absorb it somewhere
Anduck: call ISP for dat?
mircea_popescu: they've been playing muscial chairs for what, 12 hours now ?
Anduck: so your isp dont know how to absorb a ddos?
mircea_popescu: is this some topic you fancy yourself an expert in ?
Anduck: no
Anduck: but isp should know how to fix it
Anduck: its shitty job but they should get it done by now
mircea_popescu: sorta like the doctor should know how to make you healthy, right ?
Anduck: well i am 100% sure i know way more about these things than you do.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway ? you're so desperate to read my blog today rather than tomorrow ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33317 = 0.6663 BTC [-]
Anduck: no but it's just funny cuz you said "mpex cant be taken down"
Anduck: or smth similar - in your blog, yes
mircea_popescu: i said it's immune to ddos. which it is.
Anduck: is it unusable right now-+-
Anduck: ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
Anduck: ok
mircea_popescu: can't you see it trading lol
Anduck: not really
Anduck: where would i see that?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00075 = 37.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/mpex1
Anduck: ok
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the idea. i saidf before a government couldn't take it down.
mircea_popescu: today is the proof. ddos it ? fine. so ?
mircea_popescu: who cares.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 134 @ 0.0007 = 0.0938 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.00182 = 0.0273 BTC [-]
Anduck: !ticker m s.mpoe
Anduck: duhh
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: where can i see bid/ask of s.mpoe?
mircea_popescu: "S.MPOE": {"1d": {"avg": "74815.940534","min": "69034","max": "75000","vsh": "4149547","vsa": "310452261595","cnt": "41"}, "7d": {"avg": "74981.9993279","min": "69034","max": "78628","vsh": "11012234","vsa": "825719322387","cnt": "218"}, "30d": {"avg": "68500.398679","min": "61530","max": "78628","vsh": "65503018","vsa": "4486982847676","cnt": "5975"}},
Anduck: ty
maximian: also http://mpex.coinbr.com/
maximian: which is also in the channel topic :)
Anduck: mircea_popescu: did someone buy s.mpoe a lot?
mircea_popescu: past few days yeah
Anduck: i think i saw it at like 0.00060 or smth
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00986 = 0.0197 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i put a 10mn shares block up at 75 monday
mircea_popescu: and it's all but gone
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 48 @ 0.00982 = 0.4714 BTC [-]
Anduck: you took the wall off?
mircea_popescu: no, it was bought
Anduck: no way all 10,000,000 was bought?
Anduck: gz!
BitHub: Hey, i'm with my friend and he wants to know how did Satoshi gain his powers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.01552 = 0.0621 BTC [-]
Anduck: he talked to me.
mircea_popescu: like 500k left
BitHub: he doesn't believe me that sataoshi blew himself up with his mind
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1394 = 0.2788 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Mtgox trading engine lag: 10.51s
mircea_popescu: it almost caught up actually.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01000, Best ask: 44.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 44.50000, 24 hour volume: 173347.40604858, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.30310
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 58800 @ 0.0048 = 282.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5851 @ 0.0055 = 32.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00564998 = 5.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005769 = 2.3076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 157 @ 0.005779 = 0.9073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.005789 = 1.0941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2504 @ 0.00578949 = 14.4969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00579999 = 5.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9376 @ 0.00584168 = 54.7716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 223 @ 0.00588401 = 1.3121 BTC [+]
maximian: s.dice not dead after all :)
mircea_popescu: just needed to meditate a little lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00597 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00545 = 0.1363 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
Anduck: hey
Anduck: did asicminer pay divs?
Anduck: -again-
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00545 = 0.0273 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya like 19 iirc
Anduck: ij
Anduck: ok
Chaang-Noi: so are we back to normal at gox, vol is okay?
mircea_popescu: 10 secondish
Chaang-Noi: yeah but is trade volume back, i can live with that delay
Chaang-Noi: when downloading the block chain, will more than 4 ram spead it up or is it only the cpu that matters?
mircea_popescu: disk is the bottleneck iirc
Chaaang-Noi: http://pokerfuse.com/features/in-depth/winpoker-bitcoin-comes-worlds-largest-online-poker-network-ipoker-06-03/ fuuuuck yeah
maximian: mircea_popescu where is that list of proxies again? mpex.coinbr.com isn't responding for me (I hope juror isn't under attack now)
maximian: jurov I should say
Namworld: both mpex.coinbr.com and mpex.co seem unavailable now.
Namworld: Someone is really DDoS'ing everything
dub: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 35 seconds
maximian: yeah looks like coinbr.com is getting the DDoS treatment
Namworld: Who the fuck has time to DDoS stuff anyway
maximian: someone who's really, really pissed off at MP
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00599 = 0.2516 BTC [+]
dub: probably extortion
maximian: MP should have received a demand by now
Namworld: extortion seems possible
Namworld: If no one ever pays extortion, there goes the incentive. Anti-DDoS measures are more cost effective.
mircea_popescu: hey all.
mircea_popescu: mpex servers will be offline for a few hours. we are reconfiguring the router system, putting in new optics
mircea_popescu: and doing a lot of other overhauling.
mircea_popescu: no need to panic, all data is safe, by the time this is done mpex will have 10gb dedicated.
mircea_popescu: and a few other perks.
Namworld: 10 Gbps?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Namworld: Seems massive.
Namworld: Good thing.
mircea_popescu: hey. 1gb x2 seemed massive.
Namworld: I'll hog 2 or 3 all for myself.
mircea_popescu: to avoid any possible inconsistencies in dbases i am taking the ordering offline tho.
mircea_popescu: data may still be visible for a little bit.
maximian: great
Namworld: Guess I'll go sleep and get back to trading tomorrow then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6616 @ 0.00073732 = 4.8781 BTC [-]
Namworld: Goodbye.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00073731 = 2.0895 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm going to sleep too. techs have it from here.
jurov: hello
jurov: coinbr has network dificulties, but it doesn't look like attack
oizotov: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.65507, Best ask: 43.99100, Bid-ask spread: 0.33593, Last trade: 43.65507, 24 hour volume: 169564.38034507, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.22189
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.50000, Best ask: 43.54000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 43.54000, 24 hour volume: 170125.43926848, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.22377
Ukto: BF last 24hrs, over 450btc vol
BitHub: BF ticker :)
jurov: so mpex is completely offline now, right?
kakobrekla: you can send a sign order via snail mail
kakobrekla: singed
jurov: okay... just situational awareness
jurov: and next time i meet Namworld i do something nasty to him
jurov: he knows coinbr is on bitvps, plus i reminded him yest
jurov: but he was talking about it being attacked as if it was no concern for him
mircea_popescu: sooo what's new ?
deadweasel: a bunch of emotionally drained bitcoin crazed monkeys.
deadweasel: so nothing new.
mircea_popescu: haha sounds about right
mircea_popescu: jurov did you get nuked in the end ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18001 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu, it's still not clear it it was really me
jurov: [18:31] <arij> yea there is a massive amount of traffic hitting the node
mircea_popescu: lol mkay
mircea_popescu: CoinBr under maintenance/overhaul, should be available before March 8. Contact us on support()coinbr.com .
mircea_popescu: i get that much.
jurov: well, this is new server. the original one is not reachable
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: cool.
jurov: should it stay unreachable, i'll install everything there
mircea_popescu: it's funny, last year the forum crowd was all aggitated about "o, da gubbinmint"
mircea_popescu: i knew then that it's not the freaking government that'll be the issue on the midterm.
mod6: yeah, I might give out my second neg rating to Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: why Luke-Jr ?
mod6: all his nonsense about SD spamming the blockchain
mod6: and the fact that he published some mining code that breaks protocol and promotes it to other miners.
mircea_popescu: ya well, attention ho.
mircea_popescu: retaliatory rating if some idiot negs you i can see
mircea_popescu: going out of your way to politically rate people... meh. not so much.
mod6: i dunno what to call it if I rate him down, but im tired of this shit.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make to you tho ? there's going to be an onion in any soup
mircea_popescu: do you mind that it's called Luke-Jr or whatever else ?
mod6: i can't articulate myself enough -- im just against all his SD blockchain spamming bullshit
mircea_popescu: hey, most people are
Luke-Jr: you'd rather see SD flood Bitcoin to death
mircea_popescu: well... not as much against as amused.
mod6: i've been reading all this btctalk stuff today, and he's just wrong about SD spamming. just because he'd design SD differently.... or believes that gambling is immoral because he loves jesus.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr dude, still with this ? sd is the only thing happening on bitcoin, forget about it already.
mircea_popescu: o, is it a loving bejezuz issue really ?
error4733: if blockchain can't support SD now, what happen with 1M user ?
Luke-Jr: no, it's a mod6-is-a-troll issue
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be by any chance related to the girl bitchslapping that hearn muppet earlier, would it ?
mod6: im not trolling shit motherfucker
Luke-Jr: error4733: 1M user with 1000 tx/sec is easier than 10 users with 1000 tx/sec
error4733: all bs, erik is right, better now than to late
mircea_popescu: 1M user with 1000 tx/sec is easier than 10 users with 1000 tx/sec <<< you can't even distinguish users apart.
Luke-Jr: error4733: 1mil users can provide infra for 1000 tx/sec; what we have today, no way
mircea_popescu: i can make 1mn txs right now, you won't be able to produce an accurate usercount.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: it's easy. just go to #bitcoin and ask SD players to PM you.
mircea_popescu: hahaha, if you think retail users will run that braindamaged abomination called "the bitcoin client" you're off your rocker.
mircea_popescu: if there were 1mn users drawn to bitcoin because of satoshi dice, they'd just run piuk's wallet into the ground, and you'd whine about how "blockchain is spamming the network"
mircea_popescu: this sort of internecine bullshit may be appropriate in fringe churches of weird and other midwestern concerns
mircea_popescu: but it does not belong in technology. technology is for smart people.
Luke-Jr: I don't care who it is, if they flood the network it's miners' job to filter them out
mircea_popescu: you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: you'd better leave then
Luke-Jr: after all, technology is for smart people..
Luke-Jr: not anarchist lunatics who can't figure out the most obvious legal scenario
mircea_popescu: lmao
mod6: smh
mircea_popescu: listen, how do you figure you're a mioner anyway
mircea_popescu: best i can make out you're a concern troll with a checkered past.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00072873 = 3.1321 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: looking through the forum digests this is motherfucking sad
mod6: i mean seriously
mircea_popescu: Gateway capacity trouble at Coinbase? Is anyone else having problems with Bitme deposits? Mt.Gox Payment system problem What the fuck Bitfinex? MtGox should halt trading when Order Lag time is this long. Anyone's bitfloor deposits working?
mircea_popescu: it's like fucking extravaganza.
mircea_popescu: and the cherry on top, Website performance is going to be the bane of many n00bs when it's time to sell
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno about noobs. it'd be the bane of me.
deadweasel: bugpowder and I were all jammed up about goxlag of 10 minutes
deadweasel: it was a learning opportunity
mircea_popescu: heh. i think the lag reporting was laggy
mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: at some point they were pasting half hour old trades out of order into the feed
mircea_popescu: classical meltdown.
mircea_popescu: actually it looked a lot like nasdaq when facebook.
Diablo-D3: lol goxlag
BTCTrader2: what are people using for cli? is it faster?
jurov: mircea_popescu , is there any place for mpex chinese/pakistani users to inquiry about the outage?
mircea_popescu: jurov here basically.
jurov: one dude came and seemd completely out of his mind
mircea_popescu: have him join the chan it can be explained to him.
deadweasel: which one?
deadweasel: Rick___?
jurov: yes. he's gone now.
mircea_popescu: awww that poor dude was sending me crazed messages too.
mircea_popescu: but to sum up the situation, cause i imagine many people are curious :
mircea_popescu: mpex consists of a trade server and webservers which the users talk to.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it practically these webservers are practically proxies.
mircea_popescu: there is five of them sharing two gigabit uplinks through a balancer.
mircea_popescu: the first time mpex was ddosed in january the attack took out the actual datacenter top level router.
mircea_popescu: there were two more layers of routing to get to the router that handled the webservers.
mircea_popescu: now, the reason admittedly was that the thing was a little old and kidna loaded. but still.
mircea_popescu: so at that time i split the tubes up north/east, and started a bunch of proxies
mircea_popescu: jurov was hosting one, for instance.
mircea_popescu: since the attack started yesterday a total of 100+ of these were taken offline.
mircea_popescu: granted, it's not easy to blow up a small shared setup like that.
mircea_popescu: but somebody did have the determination to spend a day and a half looking for them, setting up the ddosing for them individually bla bla.
mircea_popescu: the thing with that system is that it works by division. if there's 100 of them there jurov can stay online.
mircea_popescu: if there's 9 left the remainder ddos is available to hit him
mircea_popescu: i could allow anyone to start a proxy right now, the trade server is fine, etc. the problem is
mircea_popescu: you'd be nuked in half an hour or something, and it's just hassle.
imsaguy: mmm, shake n bake
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: now, a humongo 10gb dedicated solution is being set up as we speak
mircea_popescu: i had this sort-of prepared, but not actually provisioned and ready because the shit is expensive
imsaguy: so you're having more babies to win the war?
mircea_popescu: basically.
Diablo-D3: heh
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the alternative is handle mpex trades by email.
Diablo-D3: email, the original next generation mail queue
mircea_popescu: yep.
imsaguy: how about mpex trades via telnet?
imsaguy: :D
mircea_popescu: to what ip ?
mircea_popescu: see, mail is diffuse.
imsaguy: 127.0.0.1
mircea_popescu: lol
Diablo-D3: I wonder if that makes uunet the original original message queue
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 prolly.
imsaguy: how about mpex over irc?
Diablo-D3: fuck we need uunet back
Diablo-D3: that shit was baus
imsaguy: let freenode get ddos
imsaguy: I hear they like that
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the problem is irc doesn't handle pgp so well
imsaguy: yes it does
imsaguy: ask gribble
mircea_popescu: (and i don't think they have enough to cope, but maybe)
Diablo-D3: I could name a box "chicks" and name a user "i"
imsaguy: :)
Diablo-D3: and it'd be funny
imsaguy: people pastebin the pgp
imsaguy: feed the bot the raw url
imsaguy: simple as pie
mircea_popescu: imsaguy yeah. last i talked to nanotube he was like "i don't want this in production handling opm"
imsaguy: I'm not saying graft onto gribble
imsaguy: I'm saying clone
imsaguy: steal the concept
mircea_popescu: dawg...
mircea_popescu: fuck you srsly.
mircea_popescu: why didn't i think opf that
imsaguy: dee oh gee
mircea_popescu: people can just paste a pastebin link or w/e
Diablo-D3: oh em gee
imsaguy: derp
mircea_popescu: lol
imsaguy: and then the bot filters anything not formed as url
imsaguy: thats the first line
mircea_popescu: imsaguy wanna code an irc proxy for me ?
imsaguy: second line is it only parses text
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: dude, just use perl
mircea_popescu: all you have to do is take urls from people and feed them into server as pgp strings
imsaguy: no, just fork gribble
mircea_popescu: so fork gribble, i dun care.
imsaguy: the code for reading pastebin to gpg
imsaguy: its already written
mircea_popescu: im trying to hire you over here ;/
imsaguy: what's it pay?
imsaguy: gypsie man
mircea_popescu: pm.
jurov: waitwhat? ppl will publish urls to encrypted orders on irc to be picked up by mpoe bot?
mircea_popescu: jurov yup
mircea_popescu: i like this chan, srsly.
mircea_popescu: ppl are facepalming left and right around me
imsaguy: working on it now
jurov: lol you should accept clearsigned orders, too, then.
jurov: unencrypted
jurov: moar phun
mircea_popescu: nah.
Chilca: mircea_popescu: Can I help you guys with the infrastructure for the site?
wiggzz: so coinbr and mpex are down?
mircea_popescu: wiggzz atm, yes.
mircea_popescu: Chilca do you have a gb+ pipe you can play with ?
wiggzz: ok. no worries, thanks
Chilca: mircea_popescu: are you having a DDOS attack? what's the problem.
mircea_popescu: yes. read up the chat i just explained it 5 minutes ago
Chilca: let me read it
mircea_popescu: o you just joined huh. brb pastebin
Chilca: I just joined. Pastebin will be great
mod6: Any paste or usage pattern not related to that goal which results in unusually high traffic will be flagged for investigation.
mod6: this could become a problem
mircea_popescu: mod6 they can use their own domains tho
mod6: as well, is it a good idea to store everyones cyphertexts indefinately?
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/8dWy851p Chilca wiggzz
jcpham: yes thank you my vps is fubar
jcpham: bee tee double you
mircea_popescu: mod6 now that i don't know.
mircea_popescu: but if someone breaks pgp in 2049, what do they get ? a lot of BUY|S.BLABLA|350|45000 ?
mircea_popescu: jcpham y-double-y-cum.
jcpham: switzerland is down
jcpham: too many bandwidths
jcpham: angry netizens
mod6: yea. i just figure maybe having our asses hanging in the breeze is a great oppertunity for the NSA to try to extract data on a sort of chosen cypertext attack
imsaguy: that why you expire the pastebin
imsaguy: it only needs to live for <10 minutes
mircea_popescu: mod6 listen, the pastebins would be encrypted with mpex key
mod6: ok imsaguy, that should work
mircea_popescu: if they get anywhere they broke pgp.
mircea_popescu: because
mircea_popescu: you can take a string and encrypt it with mpex key right now
mircea_popescu: locally
jurov: jcpham, now imagine they could have started resolving it 6 hours earlier
mircea_popescu: for one trillion times
mircea_popescu: jurov no cause i was sleeping.
jurov: if namworld was able to remember that coinbr in on bitvps
mod6: *nod* im with you.
mircea_popescu: and contrary to what everyone thinks, great ideas also need sane management to get anywhere.
jurov: mircea i'm speaking about bitvps to jcpham
mircea_popescu: o i got confused :D
mircea_popescu: sorry.
jcpham: sorry jurov
jurov: can't get over it... namworld said "o mpex.coinbr.com has problems, prolly ddos" and he went to sleep
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: my opinion of switzerland is that it is not for critical stuff
mircea_popescu: wasn't exactly like that lol
jurov: despite i did tell him it's to be expected
mod6: im not even sure I ever noticed the pastebin expire time lol
Chilca: do you guys have a firewall on top the servers?
mod6: this is a pretty sweet idea tho imsaguy
imsaguy: lol
imsaguy: Chilca, first ddos?
imsaguy: mod6, I'm pretty stupid, most of the time
imsaguy: but the rest of the time, I try to make up for it.
mod6: naw
mod6: werd :)
Chilca: imsaguy: In my company we use radware to stop ddos.
Chilca: I can talk with the CEO and he can ship one to your dc if you want.
Chilca: for free
mircea_popescu: that's a nice thought, but
imsaguy: its hosted out of his bedroom
mircea_popescu: in the middle of installing gear so might not be the best time
imsaguy: I doubt you want in that dungeon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.42424242 BTC [+]
jurov: <phungus> we've found out that it is indeed coinbr.com being ddos'ed
jurov: <phungus> we've shut it all down, working on restoring everyone else, please be patient
jurov: oh my
mircea_popescu: dudes not paying attention are they.
jurov: yea, after 8 hours
jcpham: i could've told them coinbr was going to get ddos'd yesterday
jcpham: it seems like maybe you attemtped to notify them
jurov: i told namworld myself. but he's just not the right person for that.
imsaguy: !mpex url email
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.495 = 9.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+]
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50001, Best ask: 42.69899, Bid-ask spread: 0.19898, Last trade: 42.50001, 24 hour volume: 174284.00806825, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 48.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.65273
nanotube: mircea_popescu: should be pretty trivial to set up an irc bot that just takes user input and passes it along to your server. if you set it up with a cloak, attackers can't even know its ip.
nanotube: so they'd have to take down all of freenode.
nanotube: and if you use gribble/supy as base, it by default limits number of commands per user per time, so they can't even flood it out.
jurov: nanotube, imsaguy is on it
nanotube: jurov: ah cool :)
imsaguy: nanotube: pgp over irc
imsaguy: PITA
imsaguy: :)
nanotube: imsaguy: heh well, just have it take a pastebin link, and pass it along to mpex.
nanotube: should be trivial
imsaguy: but then mpex passes pgp back :p
imsaguy: thats the poitn of ddos
nanotube: well, mpex passes back another pastebin link
nanotube: easy peasy
nanotube: unless they ddos pastebin.com
imsaguy: :)
nanotube: but there are so many pastebins out there, you can easily cycle among them
imsaguy: they all use captcha
Diablo-D3: PASTEBINCLOUD
Diablo-D3: lawlz
mircea_popescu: nanotube it shall be done.
nanotube: some provide apis for pasting. like paste.debian
Diablo-D3: sounds like the shit devcoin does
mircea_popescu: this of course has no bearing on the new pipe coming online.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: make sure to have the bot communicate with another secret proxy, not core server. so if bot is cracked open, they only discover one of your proxies, not real location.
dub: pastebin.com was hosed yesterday
mircea_popescu: nanotube yes.
nanotube: also, another option, mircea_popescu : set up an amazon ec instance. they give you unlimited BW, only care about disk and cpu usage.
nanotube: so if all it does is take requests and pass them on
nanotube: you don't have to pay
nanotube: (much)
imsaguy: the cpu can get costly if its being bogged
mircea_popescu: nanotube a coupla of the proxies were on amazon
jurov: amazon ec, exactly what i'm doing. cool shit.
nanotube: hmm
mircea_popescu: im too busy to investigate exactly wtf happned to them right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.51 = 9.69 BTC [+]
nanotube: heh ic
mircea_popescu: and not sure i actually care.
nanotube: anyway, imsaguy let know if you need help. :)
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: keep your friends close... might want to sort out who/what this was
deadweasel: help protectin the future.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel nah, i literally do not care.
mircea_popescu: understand : this was planned for. sooner or later someone was going to attack mpex.
deadweasel: i can tell, fuckin' Rick James up in here
mircea_popescu: proving that mpex can't be effectually attacked is part of the game
deadweasel: I'm Rich Bitch!
mircea_popescu: the attackers are on our team here.
jurov: deadweasel, how would you do it? it can be half of btctalk
jborkl: Hell, anyone not expecting this attack at some point was not paying attention
mircea_popescu: jborkl the only disputer was, "will it be government or not"
mircea_popescu: turns out not. so... heh.
deadweasel: i don't know how to do it.
deadweasel: i probably wouldn't care either.
mircea_popescu: just the fact that traders could close > 50k btc worth of option positions normally whiole mpex was being ddosed to hell
mircea_popescu: already speaks volumes.
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago Bank of America got ddos for I think 3 days
mircea_popescu: that the bot later was w/o a feed cause mtgox went bananas is a diff story
mircea_popescu: but pain was avoided here.
deadweasel: it was interesting to watch people show up here, get a proxy addy, then go trade.
deadweasel: they were all jibberred up, then like, ok, i'm ok now.
mircea_popescu: cool, huh ?
jborkl: this was a really good test for MPEX
deadweasel: very
deadweasel: there are no problems, only opportunities
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, i'm not keeping 10k worth of pipe as a hot and ready to go backup, i admit
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i am getting it deployed, so.
error4733: mp, they ask something ?
mircea_popescu: not afaik.
mjr_: ugh, the discussion on the forums is so fucking silly
mjr_: its like they don't understand what "free market" means
mircea_popescu: i don't think they understand a lot of things tbh
mjr_: i literally saw someone say "sdice actually gets the gambler to pay MORE fees, they should be banned"
mircea_popescu: some people were on a kick of "bitbet should charge less"
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: well... cause then it'd be less.
mircea_popescu: im like... yaok.
jborkl: 99% of all people are retarded
mjr_: yes, because the miners should get less money? not to mention the fact that it's about people enjoying and using bitcoins...so you will take away a popular service to further your cause?
mjr_: fucking retarded
jcpham: somewhere between the two "e" in free market, there is tiny subscript begging for gubment oversight
mircea_popescu: anyway, exciting stuff
dub: mjr_: they're probably arguing the wrong thing but factually SD using the blockchain for accountign is retarded
mircea_popescu: thy name be bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dub mpex uses the blockchain for accounting a different way.
mjr_: dub: if they include fees fuck what they use it for
mircea_popescu: this is what the blockchain is : accounting
dub: mjr_: sanest comparison I've seen was from this channel, imagine a casine where you had to cash out and back in after every bet
mircea_popescu: that's why it's called a ledger.
mircea_popescu: dub : accounts DO NOT WORK.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "an account"
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "log in"
mircea_popescu: forget that braindamage.
mjr_: yep it is only transactions
mjr_: although i can see your point about cashing in and out...
mjr_: and i think it is a good image
mircea_popescu: the reason you cash out after every bet is that there's no "you"
mjr_: i would think of it as...does the casino not calculate your payout after each hand?
mjr_: you put money in, and then they push money back at you
mircea_popescu: thinking in terms of "you" and pretending to be involved in bitcoin is the ultimate lulz.
mircea_popescu: obviously it didn't sink in what bitcoin is.
mjr_: mircea: to be fair, i don't think that the protocol EXCLUDES the use of a layer on top of it that could replicate "accounts"...
dub: the blockchain is not intented for this level of nanotransactions
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the protocol doesn't exclude it
mircea_popescu: but im motherfucking excluding it. it doesn't work.
mjr_: yes, that makes sense
dub: if you had to pay for every grain of rice you bought individually with a CC, amex would crumble too
mircea_popescu: dub this is great.
mircea_popescu: the day we go in the marketplace with a workable solution that would crtumble amex
mircea_popescu: is the day we see usd/satoshi rates quoted
mircea_popescu: instead of usd/btc
jborkl: Who said the blockchain is only for a certain transaction?
mjr_: dub: i feel that what they are saying is that "the blockchain shouldn't be used for individual grains of rice, so no rice for anyone"
mircea_popescu: moreover, who the fuck said what the blockchain is for ?
jborkl: who decided this nonsense
dub: jborkl: its design
mircea_popescu: the blockchain is for everything it works for.
dub: derp
mircea_popescu: as long as it's useful for something, that's what it's for.
mjr_: i agree
mircea_popescu: natural law.
mjr_: it is like the internet
dub: making it take up an unrealistic amount fo resource is goign to break it
jborkl: then those people will quit
mircea_popescu: dub the only thing that's going to break it is pseudo-governmental posturing.
mjr_: what is the internet "designed" for? so university professors could share scholarly work
dub: driving fees up to counter the problem is goign to kill adoption
jcpham: m/join #bitcoin
mircea_popescu: nobody has license to come out with the sort of bullshit "shoulds"
jcpham: FUDGEPACKER
mircea_popescu: the only shoulds here are the devs should stfu and fix bitcoind.
dub: mjr_: yes and 'the internet' has fundamentally changed a few times to cope with scaling
mjr_: i think that there is what IS...what the market has decided
mjr_: dub: as will bitcoin
jborkl: dub are you Luke? cause this sounds like his stupid logic
mircea_popescu: jborkl i think he's trying to make sense of that position.
dub: jborkl: fuck you :)
mjr_: think about it this way
jborkl: only biblethumperrs can use bitcoin
jcpham: pretty sure dub and Luke-Jr are same person
mircea_popescu: jcpham troll.
mjr_: there is nothing stopping miners to band together and block whatever traffic they want to
mircea_popescu: you're grubles
mjr_: so if it is so important, they will
jcpham: how did you figure it out mircea_popescu
dub: mjr_: yes there is, economic incentive
mircea_popescu: mjr_ and yet nobody mines at elegius
jborkl: lol
mircea_popescu: jcpham i looked in the colon
mjr_: LOL
jborkl: dead pool
mjr_: exactly, the free market has decided that sdice is a good thing
jcpham: rectal exam, eh
mjr_: so it is
dub: there is no such thing as free market
mjr_: there are all our individual choices
mircea_popescu: dub now there is.
mjr_: in aggregate
jcpham: implying no such thing as free will
dub: to have a free market you need informed players
mjr_: the point is that no one can say "i want to shape the future of bitcoin"
mjr_: no you don't
mjr_: you just need players
mircea_popescu: sexy playas
mjr_: that is like saying "in natural selection you can only have fast deer"
jborkl: That is fucking stupid to say, you only need participants
jcpham: the only free market i know of is freicoin
dub: we know from the abject failure of capitalism that there are not enough informed players to make it work
mjr_: hmmm yes
dub: mining is the same
mircea_popescu: dub the only reason capitalism failed was because idiots with "should" abandoned it
mircea_popescu: to make "a better version"
mjr_: obviously america has not gotten a stranglehold over the world
mjr_: it hasn't worked for them AT ALL
mircea_popescu: the soviet union, the united soviets of america, the blabla
mircea_popescu: as long as people submit to natural law the take over the world.
jborkl: you cant inflate bitcon 10 million percent now can you
dub: mjr_: its not scaling
jborkl: bitcoin
jcpham: i'm pretty sure the united nations is an illuminati sect
mircea_popescu: as soon as they start thinking they know what *should* be what
mjr_: for anyone to say that the people who came up with this system didn't get what they want is retarded
mircea_popescu: ... blamo
mjr_: that is the point, if what you think "should" happen, then if it really should, it will...if it shouldn't it won't
jcpham: Kim Dotcom is Satoshi Nakamoto in .... Point Break
mjr_: because if the majority agree...they do it, if they don't, you were wrong
dub: the majority don't agree
dub: the majority are not capable of participating
jborkl: the majority with money agree, the rest dont count
mjr_: um...the fact that sdice transactions are included begs to differ
dub: because they are stupid
mjr_: irrelevant
dub: the are included now sure
mjr_: they verify the transactions
mircea_popescu: <jborkl> the majority with money agree, the rest dont count << this guy is mircea_popescu
mjr_: so if the market decides to stop then they are right
dub: the market wont decide to stop because teh mining 'market' is not informed
dub: this has been shown plenty of times
mjr_: ok...so it is not important to them to stop this
mjr_: if it were
dub: it will take a technical probelm to change them
mjr_: they would
dub: which is hwat is happening
mjr_: ok, so let one come, and then they will adjust
mjr_: i see no problem
mjr_: transactions still working
mircea_popescu: lol the old holdout of marauding socialism
dub: sure if you accept that 6 confs doesnt take an hour anymore
mircea_popescu: "the poor aren't voting to steal from the rich because they've not been sufficiently explaining the benefits of theft"
mjr_: seriously, why does everyone feel the need to nurture something that is bigger than them and smarter
mircea_popescu: "we gotta go out there and really inform them"
dub: bitcoin adoption as a whole may not accept that
jcpham: is atlas in here right now
jcpham: is that what just happened
mjr_: my point is that everyone votes with their mining power
dub: were people asleep yesterday?
dub: did you notice it took all day to send coin?
jborkl: only one person filters SD transactions that I know of, and his pool is dying
jcpham: dub i got my txns in before noon central
mjr_: exactly
jcpham: no delays
mircea_popescu: jborkl to be fair, they've been fading for a while
jborkl: true
mircea_popescu: dub because of sdice ?
jborkl: His point of view caused that
dub: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: oh get out
mircea_popescu: it was a small day for s.dice
mircea_popescu: this incidentallty shows clearly how misplaced all the sd trolling is.
dub: mircea_popescu: they raised their fee, pushing all their usually slow confirming txn to the front of the queue
mircea_popescu: the network works fine with sd. what it doesn't work fine with is the appalingly poor quality of coding
jborkl: The new bitcoin client .8, uses all cpu cores correct- where .7 only used one?
dub: mircea_popescu: it was teh tipping point for block size limit
mircea_popescu: jborkl i think so
jborkl: so, as people upgrade clients- transactions get passed faster
mircea_popescu: dub for the arbitrarily stupid 250k block limit baked in
mircea_popescu: by the sort of idiots that also broke the way bitcoind creates txns
dub: ok so we're back to the scaling argument
jborkl: I changed my client to 500, it took like 5 seconds
mircea_popescu: basically, bitcoin needs actual devs.
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: most of the people who had bitcoin for no reason are out, thanks to pirate and the other scasmmers
mjr__: anyways, i just am tired of hearing about what people "should" do
mircea_popescu: the problem is most of the people who think they're devs for no reason aren;t out yet.
mircea_popescu: but it will filter out.
mircea_popescu: people like gmaxwell, hearn, luke etc are just dead weight
dub: that is very much part of the problem
mircea_popescu: too stupid to realise how stupid they actually are
mircea_popescu: taaki is already gone,
mircea_popescu: they're next
mircea_popescu: and so it goes.
mjr__: i don't think they are stupid necessarily
dub: but is it easier to replace teh dev team or get SD to implement their own ledger
mjr__: i just think they are used to systems where they are in charge
mircea_popescu: dub you always remove the broken thing
mircea_popescu: you never fix the easy thing to "fix"
dub: bullshit
jborkl: you are trying to control one thing, what aboput the next thing
mircea_popescu: no, it's how it works.
dub: jesus
mircea_popescu: dub there's no dealmaking here.
dub: that is laughable
mircea_popescu: if they suck they go
mjr__: i am just saying, if you have the mining hardware, then your thoughts on this (actually your actions) may matter...no one else's opinion really does
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg1596786#msg1596786
mircea_popescu: jurov is rthat you ?
mircea_popescu: or do they mean me ?
dub: mjr__: I'm not suggesting miners will exclude SD
mjr__: i take it you don't like the Soft BP?
mjr__: I am just tired of hearing about how bad sdice is
mjr__: let's see...provided successful model for crowdsourcing anonymously? check
dub: and romantic ideals aside, this is really just a question of, will the everyman use bitcoin if its p2p'ness goes away
mjr__: gave a lot of publicity to bitcoin? check
mjr__: brought in users? check
dub: personally I think the problem will be solved differently
dub: but there is a scaling problem due to SD, you can't argue against that
mircea_popescu: dub sd exposed bad coding in the bitcoin base.
mircea_popescu: i can agree with that much.
mircea_popescu: then again every practical use of prototype code will expose bad code
mircea_popescu: it's the fucking point
mircea_popescu: the idea is to take the correct dev attitude "o sorry we eat c0x. working to fix"
mircea_popescu: rather than the incorrect dev attitude of "so don't do that!"
MobPhone: burnside you around
Lyspooner: mpex.co is eating c0x, no?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner yes.
Lyspooner: that's the attitude!
mircea_popescu: now where was that pastebin
Lyspooner: you see how it's done, people?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner http://pastebin.com/8dWy851p
mircea_popescu: you missed out on all the fun
mjr__: oh nice
mjr__: mt gox finally got their websockets back up
MobPhone: ! help
MobPhone: hmm
mjr__: no space mobphone
MobPhone: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
mjr__: !ticker mpoe s.dice
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
MobPhone: !ticker mpex
assbot: These beans is shit.
mjr__: !ticker mpoe
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
mjr__: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
mircea_popescu: the correct syntax is !ticker m s.mpoe, but assbot is not talking to mpex atm.
MobPhone: !ticker havelock
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
MobPhone: hmm
dub: mircea_popescu: so in a free market world, you should be joining the foundation, lobbying for and funding your own devs to correct the problem
mjr__: if it was worth his time or if he found it worthwihle
deadweasel: so we all eat c0x and hence improve.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/hUcC01nB here's a paste of the vwap page current
MobPhone: mjr__ hello
dub: its not like it would be unwelcome, gavin has tried to get rid of luke before
mjr__: that is the whole point of the free market, everyone does what they want
FabianB: finding good devs is not easy
mircea_popescu: dub i am not joinint no bs foundation.
mircea_popescu: i am telling the devs what things are
mircea_popescu: if they don't follow i'm going to start my own devteam and fork bitcoin.
dub: well do that then but its chosing the harder option
mircea_popescu: i like hard options.
mircea_popescu: and this is not about me either
mircea_popescu: the miners, the larger ones anyway, will be starting their own clients
dub: right, so much like we won't have teh market you percieve as free for much longer, bitcoin will stop working
mircea_popescu: maybe not this year, but the next or in 2015 for sure
mircea_popescu: it won't stop working.
mircea_popescu: it will stop caring about people's wishes tho.
mircea_popescu: to the degree that it does now, which is tenuous
dub: yes that is the opnly option
dub: stop carign about peoples wish for decentralisation and low fees
mircea_popescu: people's wish for low fees they can shove
mircea_popescu: fees will be exactly as high as the market will bear.
mircea_popescu: there's no room for the entitled poor in the new world.
dub: its still kinda one of teh selling points
dub: and with centralisation you extinguish the last facade of anonynimity
dub: so you're gettign back to being a credit card
mircea_popescu: and people thought stalin was hardline.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu. more hardline than stalin. just... the other direction.
mircea_popescu: dub anonimity is doing fine.
mircea_popescu: it never existed to begin with. pseudonimity however is just as 100% as it always was.
dub: we're not talkign about now
mircea_popescu: forever.
mircea_popescu: in my estimation, asic mining wll be a lot more decentralised than gpu mining
mircea_popescu: which was VERY centralised, but by idiots
mircea_popescu: people like gigavps, amazingrando, hashking et all had a disproportionate share of power in the ecosystem
mircea_popescu: which they went and fucked up.
mircea_popescu: it was based on the shaky foundation of marginal personal ability, cause running a gpu farm is a logistic nightmare.
mircea_popescu: it did use the cheap "anyone can run a gpu" fud tactic, but in fact it was as centralised as it can get.
mircea_popescu: anyone can run an asic. so... que the end of that system.
dub: its NO different
mircea_popescu: it's different in some ways at least.
dub: not once teh generational change has completed
mircea_popescu: it will be a case of "he who has 1000 bucks gets a vote"
mircea_popescu: instead of "he who has 200 dollars and spends his time f5-ing amazon and knows how to make fire hazard pics in his basement"
mircea_popescu: i much prefer the former. it's cleaner.
dub: im not following
mircea_popescu: well... where ?
dub: you think mining will be more distributed with higher cost to play?
dub: or more solo miners?
mircea_popescu: there will be a SMALLER cost to play.
mircea_popescu: it will however be cash upfront.
dub: mining has been centralised since pools appeared
mircea_popescu: before the cost to play was, 200 bucks + 5k worth of computer competence.
mircea_popescu: now it's 1k bucks and a power outlet.
mircea_popescu: overall cost went down by 80%
mircea_popescu: it's just some people don't know how to account, and so the 5k "is free"
mircea_popescu: but let me put it this other way :
mircea_popescu: there are at least 100mn people in this world who can spend 1k dollars.
mircea_popescu: there are MAYBE 1mn people in this world who have the skills to run gpu rigs but do not have gainful employment
miscreanity: asics are plug and play - gpus required a considerable amount of experise and se to manage
mircea_popescu: unsuirprisingly, they;'re mostly mental deffecrtive / weird / marginal doods.
dub: bullshit
mircea_popescu: so our miner putative market increased by a factor of 10k%
mircea_popescu: dub hey, it may well be bullshit
mircea_popescu: but it's what i think on the matter.
deadweasel: I think we can all agree that the continued eating of c0x by all users/miners/devs will improve bitcoin or it's bastard children.
dub: it sounds like youa re arguing that like gamers mining on their 1-2 gpus, a lot of randoms will decide to grab an asic and mine
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinity.org/markets
deadweasel: *its
mircea_popescu: do these graphs look right to anyone ?!
mircea_popescu: dub no.
dub: reality is asic mining will centralise much more than gpu mining did
mircea_popescu: i am arguing that for every wanna-break the world kid / bank clerk who thinks he's a banker / duimbass kid who thinks writing "options" on a webpage makes him an options trader
mircea_popescu: that get pushed our mercilessly
jurov: bitcoinity workd
jurov: *works here
mircea_popescu: there will be 10 to 100 actual sane people
dub: as soon as diff normalises its the same game
mircea_popescu: dub no because the cost to be the top dog will have went from own 500 items worth 200 each
dub: either eek out a tiny margin on your gaming rig/hobby asic or go large
mircea_popescu: to own 50`000 items worth 1k each
mircea_popescu: so from 100k to 50mn
mircea_popescu: jurov it does work, but the graph looks like wtf.
jborkl: instead of "he who has 200 dollars and spends his time f5-ing amazon and knows how to make fire hazard pics in his basement <LOL
jurov: yes the debpth (bottom graph) is wtf in firefox. but in konqueror+webkit it's fine
mircea_popescu: and if you think people won't be buying asics at 1k a pop, let me tell you something :
mircea_popescu: when that hungarian scammer showed up it he was checked out the next day
mircea_popescu: by independent teams.
mircea_popescu: there is demand. come out with an inventory of asics you will sell 10-100k units in a month if you can actuyally deliver them.
ZedsterX: ;;burnside
gribble: Error: "burnside" is not a valid command.
ZedsterX: ;;seen burnside
gribble: burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 22 hours, and 30 seconds ago: <burnside> I don't think so.
dub: mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing will happen as happened with gpu
ZedsterX: i have been given a free scam lightning miner 4.0 unit
jborkl: people that know what to do with them made money?
dub: when people get sick of the heat, noise and earning $2/week they will get out
dub: which will leave people who are doign ot as a business
kakobrekla: funny, 100mhash revenue in euro dollars is same as 1 year ago give or take
kakobrekla: http://smpake.com/etc/btc/charts.php
dub: sure for 10 minutes
ThickAsThieves: what a captivating update... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1597133#msg1597133
deadweasel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1597133#msg1597133
deadweasel: sry
dub: <mircea_popescu> when that hungarian scammer showed up it he was checked out the next day
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves does that say anything ?!
jcpham: i've been debating whether or not to run more gpu/more fpga every day
ThickAsThieves: i cant tell
dub: I don't need to tell you that the only people who checked it out are serious miners
jcpham: i'd really like to acquire 3x singles
mircea_popescu: you do need to tell me that so i can lol.
mircea_popescu: i had it checked out dood. im no miner at all.
dub: a few extra mindless forum babies does not a decentralised verification network make
mircea_popescu: think about it : i am going to get a mining cluster which i will run for purely strategic reasons
mircea_popescu: mpex needs assurance that idiots like luke-jr stay irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: so will pretty much every single service built on top of bitcoin
dub: stop being trite
mircea_popescu: then add the pro miners
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then add all the people who want to run a 1k unit
dub: if you got into mining you it would not be with one asic
mircea_popescu: dub i can calculate how many asics i need to have in order to guarantee my payments make it witin an arbitrary timeframe
mircea_popescu: this is basic provisioning.
dub: yes which is beyond 90% of would be miners
mircea_popescu: so ?
jcpham: strategic mining is a subject i like
mircea_popescu: jcpham i bet you in 2013 we will have special mining software allowing miner to issue orders much like ip routing tables
ThickAsThieves: what is even being argued here?
mircea_popescu: "always include my txs, irrespective of fee"
ThickAsThieves: whether there will be more and more prosumer miners?
jcpham: hrm
mircea_popescu: "always include txs to these addies, if fee is x"
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: there will be a dedicated box preparing the mempool for mine rigs in most farms
dub: so every bitcoin merchant has a mining farm to confirm its txn
mircea_popescu: dub yep.
dub: hell, why not an altchain each
jcpham: jeebus
jcpham: i'm getting hella paid leasing my rigs then
mircea_popescu: dub if bitcoin fucks up you bet your sweet life an altchain each.
jcpham: mining cooperatives are an excellent idea
mircea_popescu: the girl hinted as much at some point arguing with the hearn&co idiot parade.
mircea_popescu: jcpham a revenue stream will be table leasing
jcpham: even though everyone hates on it
mircea_popescu: people will pay you to include their rules.
mircea_popescu: soon enough there will be a market for mempool gatway rules.
mircea_popescu: talk about driving innovation.
mjr__: yep
dub: yeah, you just invented fiat
mircea_popescu: suddenly yet another reason for 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx emerges.
mircea_popescu: it will be a LOT easier to handle those issues with fixed addies
mircea_popescu: sdice has an advantage too.
dub: you realise that your anonymity model is bunk when you only connect to nodes you transact with
BingoBongo: So this got Hearn's panties in a bunch even though he does so much work with SPV clients?
mjr__: mircea, how can i get quotes right now?
mircea_popescu: mjr__ right now you can't. what are you trying to do ?
mircea_popescu: dub i am not interested in being anon.
mircea_popescu: obviously other people will implement other models.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 1.45 = 29 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo i dunno what his problem was.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Too soft for the interwebz maybe?
mircea_popescu: maybe.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.45 = 2.9 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: I could see getting pissed about colored coins or the dude who put and MP3 on testnet trying that on the real blockchain, but miners filtering transactions? Gavin reccommends conf settings for miners.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo o, no, no. the argument was about hm
mircea_popescu: da fuck was it about
mircea_popescu: o yes, i think he wanted increased block size.
mircea_popescu: and honestly i think colored coins are a horrible nonstarter. i can only imagine the sort of crap that'd occur if they caught on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.45 = 8.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and there'd be satoshi's running around everywhere
mjr__: mircea: just wanted to see where my positions were at
mjr__: no big deal
mircea_popescu: mjr__ trade is practgically frozen so nothing much would have changed.
mjr__: cool
mircea_popescu: that;s kinda it, i could have come up with a pure vpn solution
mircea_popescu: and only allow trusted people on the network to talk to the exchange
mircea_popescu: (which incidentally is how things work irl )
mircea_popescu: however, i judged that'd create a haves/havesnot disparity that's both huge and sudden
mircea_popescu: better and fairer just freeze things for a little bit.
mjr__: i agree
mjr__: i like the protected message open channel
mircea_popescu: but to expand on the plan : as an absolute rock bottom if things can't be otherwise resolved within a week, i will publish a gmail address, and trade will work via email (you email your paste instead of putting into site, you get it back)
mjr__: out of curiosity and i haven't really thought this all the way through
mircea_popescu: as a relative rock bottom, if things can't be otherwise resolved within a couple of days i will have a vpn installed. this has the disadvantage that it puts the brokers in an iffy spot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.55 = 3.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also, we are currently working on using irc bot much like gribble works. there should be one up soon and another during weekend.
mjr__: would a recaptcha and session timeout not solve most of it?
mircea_popescu: and also, much larger infrastructure should be coming online during the 8th.
mircea_popescu: mjr__ nope.
mircea_popescu: it would solve nothing at all. routers are getting friend, not boxes.
mjr__: oh ok
mjr__: true
mjr__: and i'm sure that they are randomizing the addresses enough to bypass any sort of blacklist rirght?
mjr__: and CDN couldn't fix either?
mircea_popescu: cdn doesn't do this. there are ddos protection services out there, but all have their own issues
mjr__: i'm sure you have thought this through
mircea_popescu: it's a long story.
mjr__: yeah
mjr__: i was just curious for my own benefit
mjr__: as to how one combats this
mircea_popescu: well, for your own benefit :
mjr__: i'm really fine regardless
mircea_popescu: cloudflare is very cheap (like200 a month) but it's mostly intended for random kid dickery.
mjr__: buy and hold
mircea_popescu: this is not what we're dealing with here.
mjr__: yeah lol;
mjr__: this is quite sustained
BingoBongo: Cloudflare goes down enough on its own
mircea_popescu: blacklotus is expensive, and i have yet to locate anyone that can give me the straight dope about what they actually do./
mircea_popescu: incapsula is sorta like more of a midmarket thing
mjr__: hmmm, and since it is routers not boxes, proxies won't really help?
mircea_popescu: mjr__ proxies help in the exact sort of way i had it set-up : open web proxy which connects on a sort of private vpn to mpex webservers
mircea_popescu: but the thing is, they actually took the time to blow up all these.
mjr__: hmmm, i have a little idea
mjr__: but it is rough
mjr__: and would depend on what router capabilities
mjr__: and whether you have control/access to it
mircea_popescu: hm ?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.72301, Best ask: 42.84000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11699, Last trade: 42.72301, 24 hour volume: 162226.99314014, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 46.74900, 24 hour vwap: 41.19641
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what is the OIX
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
mjr__: i'm wondering if you could basically require a signed message in the http header request to get to the webserver
mircea_popescu: mjr__ the ddos is not actually containing headers.
mjr__: ie. the router would drop all traffic that did not contain the signed header
mjr__: damn UTP shit?
mjr__: UDP
mircea_popescu: a complete mess and mix.
mjr__: typo lol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's the options sentiment index.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I meant what is it currently atm
thestringpuller: SINCE YOU HAVEN'T FIXED MPEX
thestringpuller: stop making people angry at you
mircea_popescu: lemme see
Lyspooner: my sentiment is that the options aren't there right now
mjr__: hmm couldn't you conceivably use QoS to give http traffic priority on the router
dub: not if the router is on fire
mircea_popescu: {"avg": "4713745617","min": "3024713516","max": "4853472885","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.62504497419E+12","cnt": ""}
mircea_popescu: mjr__ understand, the box was doing something like 0.07 load all through the ddos.
mircea_popescu: it's not the server at all.
thestringpuller: damn
thestringpuller: option index is still bullish on the current price
mircea_popescu: well yeah, because
mircea_popescu: a. a lot of calls closed up past 24 hours. those don't count.
mircea_popescu: b. a lot of longass short puts were closed, which does count
mircea_popescu: but it counts from way up, so it makes the put side kinda high too
Lyspooner: yowch
thestringpuller: I hope MPOE-bot is holding it together...
mircea_popescu: i mean put side is up to 30, from like 22 earlier
mircea_popescu: mpoe bot is like... wtf did everyone go ?
mircea_popescu: getting depressed and loneyl.
BingoBongo: Mircea, maybe you should tweet @binarybits about this interesting bitcoin story he could run on Ars... Any publicity is good publicity...
dub: im not sure 'we had to close doors due to ddos' is great publicity
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anything can be turned into great publicity.
dub: and singing of imminent mitigation may be premature
mircea_popescu: your wife's a whore ? well... at least she's hawt.
BingoBongo: Gox is alive after all of those Haxxed stories
mircea_popescu: i think there's enough presence to keep the stakeholders appraised.
dub: gox is alive because nobody has mannned up to replace it
jcpham: send a cryptic email explaining how the hot wallet backup was unencrypted and accesible via telnet
mircea_popescu: other than that... heh.
dub: nobody is a willing user of gox
mircea_popescu: jcpham i think someone might have noticed that mpex didn't answer on 23
mircea_popescu: or wait, was 23 ftp ?
jcpham: jokes
jurov: no, telnet iirc
jcpham: you should make aup along crytpic convoluted story
jborkl: rackspace?
jcpham: involving backups and password in source codes
jcpham: secret agents
jurov: and vampires
jcpham: mos def vampires
jcpham: make the story long enough and people will stop caring about halfway through reading
mircea_popescu: maybe mpoe-pr could be a vamp
mircea_popescu: ire
jcpham: they'll just figure it's another scam
dub: you could use nntp tbh
jcpham: then add the word "Psyche" at the end.
jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/ THE SHOW MUST GO ON
mircea_popescu: dub i was more considering that guy's bitmessage p2p thing
dub: google groups can probably take teh dos
dub: heh, I've been ddos'd ~700 times in teh last month
dub: acording to arbor anyway, I don't recall noticing any of them
mircea_popescu: ya well, they gotta sell themselves somehow.
mircea_popescu: that's kind of the problem, very chinese market out there. "yes sir i tell you we do ddosprotection"
dub: yep
mircea_popescu: "o wait, you mean ddos as in, 6-7 gb sustained with 20gb peaks ?! OMG TAKE A HIKE"
dub: its a racket for sure
Lyspooner: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09964.html
mircea_popescu: Visa processed 37 billion
mircea_popescu: transactions in FY2008
mircea_popescu: afaik that number is off
mircea_popescu: more like 3.7
Lyspooner: well at least satoshi was considering very big block sizes
Lyspooner: and specialized mining hardware
mircea_popescu: If a small number of entities are issuing new coins,
mircea_popescu: this is more resistant to state attack that with a
mircea_popescu: single issuer, but the government regularly attacks
mircea_popescu: financial networks, with the financial collapse ensuing
mircea_popescu: from the most recent attack still under way as I write
mircea_popescu: this.
mircea_popescu: Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in
mircea_popescu: due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil
mircea_popescu: financial network is bigger than the honest financial
mircea_popescu: network, with the result that even though everyone knows
mircea_popescu: what is happening, people continue to use the paper
mircea_popescu: issued by the evil financial network, because of network
mircea_popescu: effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use
mircea_popescu: if you want to do business.
mircea_popescu: that guy is smart.
mod6: ;;calc 3700000000/365
gribble: 10136986.3014
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
mod6: so ~10 million
thestringpuller: mod6, side bar
mod6: http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-total << says we're between 12-14m per day
Lyspooner: *not per day
Lyspooner: *per ever
Lyspooner: mod6, you're looking for this? http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions
mod6: oh my bad
Lyspooner: we're like Visa transactions in Kansas City
mod6: that seems much more realistic.
mod6: i should have examined that closer
jborkl: Mp, what about using bitcoin to send the trade message to your address. cant ddos the entire network, put the encypted message inside a signed transactions- use it just like SD does
mircea_popescu: jborkl " cant ddos the entire network" << o but they can.
jborkl: well, it would be much harder
mircea_popescu: it would be painful, especially if they go after nodes one at a time
dub: yeah, tell that to dalnet
jborkl: yes, if they tracked your first relay and knocked it off, then next one
jborkl: but you can change your relay in bitcoind easily
dub: but I support this move, if only to see the rage from Luke-Jr
jborkl: and you could build trusted relay nodes to push transactions
mircea_popescu: dub i could start with his relays lol
jborkl: lol, that would piss him off so bad
mircea_popescu: jborkl what i'd do is cause a lot of grief to people otherwise ill equipped to cope.
jborkl: it would be worth it
jborkl: ok, fair enough
mircea_popescu: im not here to cause trouble, contrary to what you might have heard.
mircea_popescu: i'll be bringing more capacity online and that's that.
jborkl: I don't think you are
mircea_popescu: was just being facetious hehe
BingoBongo: I heard PrimeAsic, that 99% chance of scam is responsive to inquiries again...
jborkl: If you were a asshole scammer, you would probably run off with Nefario, Piratits, and the list goes on. I am not concerned if you are a asshole, that is not my problem
jborkl: :)
jborkl: people seem to get confused, you are one of the only ones that has not run away, yet they accuse you all the time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo i kinda stopped following
mircea_popescu: i mean... this is vegas. you get a chance.
mircea_popescu: jborkl sometimes people say the things they most fear. it's a defense mechanism.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.DICE
thestringpuller: dude seriously
thestringpuller: MIRCEA FIX THIS
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
thestringpuller: This is what you get for making people mad.
dub: fix what?
dub: http://i.imgur.com/A9ir3GI.gif this is possibly the most useful gif ever
thestringpuller: dub you rule sometimes
thestringpuller: just wow
dub: I can't take credit its from the forum
BingoBongo: Eh, I figured PrimeAsic blew their chance earlier this week. I'm having trouble figuring out if they are a well planned scam, troll, or both.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
Eduard_Munteanu: Is mpex.co down?
Eduard_Munteanu: Err... /topic. Sorry. :)
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu you've missed out on an entire saga.
jborkl: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 1000 BTC [+]
jurov: bitvps gets 2nd round
jurov: poor jcpham
mircea_popescu: jurov what's that mean ?
mircea_popescu: jborkl lol you gave me a start.
Eduard_Munteanu: Nothing important, I just wanted to peek at the options prices. Placing my overnight orders on mtgox...
jborkl: Lol
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu mostly the open interest covered yest.
jborkl: I should have /nick but I didnt want people to really have a heart attack
mircea_popescu: bitcoinity dead again ? ;/
jurov: we were making my vps accessible under another addy, suddenly mgmt froze again
mircea_popescu: lol
Eduard_Munteanu: bitcoincharts.com is dead as well. :(
mircea_popescu: oix : "7d": {"avg": "4713745617","min": "3024713516","max": "4853472885","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.62504497419E+12","cnt": ""}
jurov: it works here
mircea_popescu: it's relatively stale tho.
Eduard_Munteanu: jurov: can you see any chart here? http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/
jurov: yes, dispalyes quickly
Eduard_Munteanu: Only the top ribbon on that page loads.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm.
mircea_popescu: i cant see it either
Eduard_Munteanu: Some #mtgox op told me they've banned most of my provider (RDS).
mircea_popescu: heh
Eduard_Munteanu: I should probably switch to IPv6 or get a static address.
Eduard_Munteanu: The former sounds like a better idea.
mircea_popescu: i think more than just mpex, tis a test for bitcoins in general.
Eduard_Munteanu: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every service is getting hit someway
mircea_popescu: the network itself was struggling with txs yest
mircea_popescu: growth pains.
thestringpuller: blockchain.info is down
Eduard_Munteanu: Also, all those chart / live data services merely do client-side lookups through the mtgox API, it seems. Instead of caching and relaying data.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.24999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mtgox is suddenly getting DDoSed by that, not to mention the actual transactions.
jurov: blockchain up here
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, well, I've placed my orders for the night, pretty conservative.
mircea_popescu: live data would not cache by the definition of the term
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
FabianB: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 36 minutes and 4 seconds
kakobrekla: prime asic broke ze chain
mircea_popescu: dude again over half hour ?!
mircea_popescu: this is atrocious.
mircea_popescu: yest i had txs lay stale for > 6 hours before being included in a block.
kakobrekla: smpake would be useful.
BingoBongo: Pools getting attacked?
mircea_popescu: and im not exactly talking 10 bitcoins here
kakobrekla: it was 11.
mircea_popescu: people were liek "o, your bitcoind is ddosed too ?" and i was like no dude, the tx is out since noon '/
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: paypal looks nice again
mircea_popescu: totally.
benkay: same question as BingoBongo: are pools being ddosed as well?
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/A9ir3GI.gif http://i.imgur.com/A9ir3GI.gif http://i.imgur.com/A9ir3GI.gif http://i.imgur.com/A9ir3GI.gif
jurov: so, phungus from bitvps blames me and he won't enable my vps access anymore
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: best time to withdraw everything and leave
jurov: mircea_popescu , will you let me?
mircea_popescu: let you what ?
thestringpuller: coinbr is down?
jurov: sell&withdraw everything from coinbr acct
jurov: and blame bitvps
mircea_popescu: yes, but you have to consider if you sell right now you're hurting customers.
mircea_popescu: not sure what consolation blaming bitvps will be.
jurov: you didn't understand me.. i can now vanish with all customers funds
mircea_popescu: anyway, par for the course for "hosting" out there : sure we can do it sir! o you mean things actually need to be done ? sorry, pls go to somewhere else.
jurov: as so many ppl did
mircea_popescu: if you ask them they're hosting corps, offer things like unlimited bw.
mircea_popescu: tghen if you serve 500 pages in a day it's suddenly... we're only hosters if you don't get traffic.
jurov: and if you attract ddos, you must apologize.
mircea_popescu: anyway, their upstream/colo host prolly told them to not do it again or else get a real connection
jurov: but yeah, I do have recent enough coinbr backups and am not running away.
mircea_popescu: good.
jurov: dunno if i should make me killer coffee and set it up or it can wait till tomorrow
mircea_popescu: i think it can wait till tomorrow.
jurov: mircea_popescu, how it looks on your side?
mircea_popescu: should be getting everything online today technically since it's almost 1am
mircea_popescu: but maybe get an account with a good ddos protected host.
mircea_popescu: because i tell you something, when they won't be able to take me down they'll harass you
mircea_popescu: and you have a much larger userbase crossection, you'll read plenty of shit in the forum
jurov: i know... hope i bought some time with amazon, plan to set up some load balancing there quickly
mircea_popescu: prolly your best path of action on a personal level is
mircea_popescu: get some sleep now
mircea_popescu: wake naturally
mircea_popescu: deal with it then
jurov: heh okay.. if i manage to get asleep
Anduck: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
jborkl: Mp or Jurov - are there a bunch of pending market orders to fill?
jurov: no, they are filled normally - see live.coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: jborkl nope.
jborkl: good
mircea_popescu: today is mpex sunday :D
jborkl: all of the coinbr are down for me and have been
jurov: jborkl, prolly stale DNS entries
jurov: same problem here, my isp insists caching them, had to change dns server
mircea_popescu: page hangs for me atm
mircea_popescu: but it does find your domain/favicon
jurov: http://coinbr.com should work at least, https is not set up yet so it fails
jurov: and mpex. and live. did not have dns expiration so they linger up pointing to bitvps
mircea_popescu: ah i c
BingoBongo: 224744 2 minutes 443 25.33651677 BTC Deepbit 249kb; 224743 4 minutes 581 25.48650003 BTC 199.101.100.218 243kb
BingoBongo: Interesting last couple blocks
BingoBongo: Barely more than the block reward in transactions and nearly a quarter megabyte each
mircea_popescu: indeed
BingoBongo: And these big barely more than 25 BTC blocks continue...
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 12 seconds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: how goes the botting? :)
Diablo-D3: smickles: lol you asshole
mircea_popescu: slowly it seems
BitHub: Hey, anyone seen Namworld around?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: heh ic
mircea_popescu: BitHub he just joined
BitHub: lulz
BitHub: ahh man i really shouldn't use this thing when i first wake up
BitHub: thanks mircea, how are you by the way?
Namworld: I'm here now. What do you need?
BitHub: i'll pm you
BitHub: brb first tho
mircea_popescu: i'm great.
Namworld: Did you get any demand for fees to stop the DDoS yet??
Namworld: Or is the DDoS done out of spite or something
Namworld: I need to go in and make a deposit/trade
Namworld: Can you take manual deposits for now?
Diablo-D3: heh what ddos?
Namworld: MPEx getting ddos'ed
Diablo-D3: lame
BitHub: meanwhile btcjam goes on
Namworld: No one cares about BTCjam... that's why
BitHub: haha
kmg: test
deadweasel: nice topic
deadweasel: anybody else listen to Takenobu?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.005979 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
deadweasel: asian violinist.
deadweasel: he killed my weasel with music.
smickles: namworld yeah, ddos
mod6: 6 blocks mined in 17 minutes?!
smickles: sillything to Do to
mircea_popescu: Namworld no demands.
mod6: its like faaaasst, then sloooow
mircea_popescu: mod6 weirdhuh
smickles: mod6 I've heard that randomness is clumsy
smickles: we, clumpy
mod6: heheh
mod6: it is strange though... its like they kick up the ASCIs and grab a few blocks then turn 'em down to keep the difficulty in check?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.00899 = 0.0809 BTC [+]
smickles: thatwouldn't work afaik
mod6: thats good! lol
mod6: im not sure wtf is goin on
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe overheating issues
mod6: ahh.
kakobrekla: clock buffers.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 4367876.0008422
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749519.86453 based on data since last change | 4759411.19664 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.08999 BTC [+]
benkay: allo kakobrekla
kakobrekla: allo allo
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
benkay: may i please have user name for mpex socket?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00899 = 0.036 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: see pm
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 20 seconds
error4733: freenode under DDoS
error4733: SELL SELL SELL
mircea_popescu: heh
Bowjob: selll
Bowjob: sell
mircea_popescu: error4733 did they announce ?
Bowjob: mp is your trolling SA contest still up for grabs?
mircea_popescu: sure.
Bowjob: im trolling gfaqs with coins as practice.. still training
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: kk
mircea_popescu: lol remember when i used to pay .5 btc for an account there
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 389 @ 0.0007 = 0.2723 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: now it's like... 0.2 ?
mircea_popescu: lol.
Bowjob: yah i guess
mircea_popescu: they shrunk.
Bowjob: someone gambled 17 BTC to S.Dice with their Mt gox account
Bowjob: it seems the gamble won..
Bowjob: but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
Bowjob: so the gambler is SOL it seems
mircea_popescu: ouch
mircea_popescu: pity we don't have the rota anymoar.
Bowjob: maybe that guy was angle shooting
Bowjob: saying he accidentally sent it to dice instead of his account
Bowjob: so erik would refund him
Bowjob: the same thing happened to this dude back then in dec, lost 50 btc
mircea_popescu: possibly so.
sgornick: Bowjob: There's someone on the forum just claiming 21 lost that way.
Bowjob: yeah were tlking about the same guy
Bowjob: he bet 17, won it.. but then the money got sent to mt gox
sgornick: > but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
sgornick: You mean to which Mt. Gox account it went.
sgornick: Well, Mt Gox can tell. They have better things to do than track down mistakenly made SD payments though.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.38580, Best ask: 42.39209, Bid-ask spread: 0.00629, Last trade: 42.39209, 24 hour volume: 118703.21738512, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.39283
mircea_popescu: that guy must be real confused.
mircea_popescu: hey, is it the guy who misidentified someone else's bet on bitbet as his own and rose hell here a few days ago ?
BingoBongo: If only I could reread that post on Trilema...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo which ?
BingoBongo: The BBet post.
mircea_popescu: o o
BingoBongo: Mr. Imaginary bet.
BingoBongo: I actually came on here today because i was wondering why I couldn't ready your classic on the housing crisis.
BingoBongo: *read
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo http://pastebin.com/TkqAG5ie
BingoBongo: Thanks. Have you though about just storing a copy of the Trilema archive in the namecoin blockchain. I don't think they'd mind.
mircea_popescu: you know trilema is like 7k articles, over 10mb of plaintext
mircea_popescu: ahem
mircea_popescu: over 10mn words = like 70mb of text
BingoBongo: It's namecoin. They'll take anything.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mod6: lol oh yeah JimRogers
thestringpuller: ;;calc 2.5 / 7
gribble: 0.357142857143
thestringpuller: ;;calc (2.5 / 7) * 140
gribble: 50
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.70000, Best ask: 42.81500, Bid-ask spread: 0.11500, Last trade: 42.78384, 24 hour volume: 114078.83449030, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.60795
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4755826.83674 based on data since last change | 4747165.78694 based on data for last three days
BingoBongo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 111370.77 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9613421.27709 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0052 seconds
BingoBongo: Sell orders about trippled since the last time I asked that...
Bowjob: eh
Bowjob: wait till they hit 10k
Namworld: They won't hit 10k...
BingoBongo: ;;asks 10000
gribble: There are currently 115133.36 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 17157717.7085 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0056 seconds
BingoBongo: Maybe they will...
Namworld: No...
Namworld: as price go up, people tend to start putting money in the way.
BingoBongo: ;;asks 100
gribble: There are currently 98810.011 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 5632319.28639 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds
Namworld: So no manual deposit I get it...
aethero: What happened to MPEX?
Namworld: being DDoS'ed
aethero: What type of ddos?
Namworld: I have no idea
Namworld: anyway, MPEx will be getting an upgrade too
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.75902, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.22449, Last trade: 41.75902, 24 hour volume: 112921.07904056, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.64678
Namworld: You can access MPEx from a proxy such as: http://mpex.coinbr.com/
Bowjob: oh no. we are crashing again
Namworld: But you'll see there's an updating message.
Namworld: Bowjob: of course...
aethero: erk
Namworld: Why would price madly like that and stay like that?
jcpham: i'm gona have to say bitcoin
Namworld: Wrong answer... that's the answer to why it raised, not why it would stay like that.
jcpham: heh
dub: its a jcsham
BingoBongo: You'd be surprised Namworld the things that Dunning-Kruger can explain. It's like the new Goodwin, but for the Slate crowd.
Namworld: What does Dunning-Kruger has to do with it?
Namworld: Everyone thinks they're skilled because they buy BTC higher and higher because it keeps going higher and higher?
BingoBongo: It's why we could hit 10,000. Coinlab biting off more than they can chew and somehow instead of a flash crash we get a flash rally when they are hacked. Also yes your second point.
BingoBongo: A combination of the two could probably make a new normal though.
Chilca: mpex still down?
dub: yes
Chilca: thanks, is there any status of the DDOS?
Namworld: I bet after it all settles, people who kept buying will be apoplectic with explanations and sound just like people after the dotcom bubble...
Bugpowder: I will tell u skilled
Bugpowder: Sell 500 at 47-48.89
Bugpowder: Buy 200 @ 36.17 and 33.335
Bugpowder: Sell 100@ 44.47
dub: Chilca: sounds like it is ongoing but mpex has now been taken offline for upgrades
Bugpowder: Sign up for gox wire
Bugpowder: Come back mpex
jborkl_: Bitcoin chart reminds me of silver chart,just compressed
Namworld: MPEx is a bit late on schedule for the upgrades
dub: he said the 8th
mircea_popescu: well... it's like 4am on the 8th so.
mircea_popescu: a bit later than 1am
Namworld: yeah
dub: its actually 3pm on teh 8th
dub: in the earliest TZ anyway
mircea_popescu: a well
Namworld: Honestly, with upgrades, it's always hard to estimate.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.80100, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.18251, Last trade: 41.91771, 24 hour volume: 109127.80902302, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.65552
Namworld: Can take twice or half the time or more.
mircea_popescu: anyweay, the first irc bot should be around in a few hours i think
Namworld: irc bot?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Namworld: I'm curious about that now.
Diablo-D3: oh?
reddddd: @CoinBr What's the point of having a support forum if you're not going to use it more major stuff like this?
dub: you can get to coinbr?
dub: oh bitcoinforum.com, good point
reddddd: @dub, yeah
error4733: jborkl @ 3:14 http://www.businessinsider.com/this-chart-of-bitcoins-is-bananas-and-it-looks-a-lot-like-the-price-of-gold-2013-3
reddddd: CoinBr also seems to have a twitter account that could have used an update. There are so many better ways to let customers know what the hell is going on than just IRC.
mircea_popescu: reddddd there's nothing better than irc.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you'll be able to go something like #post blabla and the bot will answer with an url to a pastebin with your response.
mircea_popescu: where ofcourse blabla is the pastebin id
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.444 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.440001 = 1.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44000006 = 1.32 BTC [-]
Namworld: neat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.5 = 10 BTC [+]
dub: -dev is so retarded
Namworld: What's happening in there?
dub: novels are being written to explain how fees work to a novice
dub: the simple answer is bitcoin is stupid wrt fees
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.62827, Best ask: 42.79000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16173, Last trade: 42.80000, 24 hour volume: 104745.97636275, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.61786
mircea_popescu: "Pimples can be treated by various acne medications prescribed by a dermatologist, or purchased at a drug store with a wide variety of treatments."
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno if i'd purchase pimples
mircea_popescu: even at the store.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ...
BingoBongo: You know medicine is fucked when leukemia is easier to treat than pimples.
mircea_popescu: im just quoting from the retardopedia.
mircea_popescu: you know, back 300 years ago when the encyclopedists came up with the first one, it was a monument of erudition
mircea_popescu: and good writing.
BingoBongo: No encyclopedia has ever been good
mircea_popescu: diderot & d'alembert's was.
Diablo-D3: pimples is very easy to treat
Diablo-D3: modern medicine refuses to accept the treatment because they can't charge obscene amounts of money for it
Diablo-D3: take high doses of omega 6 for the rest of your life.
BingoBongo: My french isn't good enough to make an informed opinion on Diderot's
Diablo-D3: not only does it cure pimples, it cures and lessens lots of other things
BingoBongo: Leukemia is easy to treat too. Eat a bunch of methotrexate and live.
Diablo-D3: through in 5000 IU of vitamin D daily, and you'll probably add another ten years to your life
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo pick a page and read outloud
mircea_popescu: im willing to go on a limb and say you'll get my point
BingoBongo: What am I reading from again, Retardo-wiki'wiki'wiki'wha?
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo l'encyclopedie.
mircea_popescu: l'encyclopedie
BingoBongo: Rubeta: a poison derived from the juice of a frog. Juvenal wrote of a lady who mingled this kind of poison in wine and presented it to her husband
BingoBongo: from http://www.alembert.fr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=611399672&catid=665689230:poison&Itemid=127
BingoBongo: Seems almost more like a dictionary
BingoBongo: I'll dig deeper
BingoBongo: What little french I've read mircea_popescu has been at least 200 years newer
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: you don't have to translate it
mircea_popescu: just read it, outloud.
BitHub: almost time for teh weekend
mircea_popescu: Ce qu'on appelle bonheur, est une idée abstraite, composée de quelques idées de plaisir ; car qui n'a qu'un moment de plaisir n'est point un homme heureux ; de même qu'un moment de douleur ne fait point un homme malheureux. Le plaisir est plus rapide que le bonheur, & le bonheur plus passager que la félicité. Quand on dit je suis heureux dans ce moment, on abuse du mot, & cela ne veut dire que j'ai du plaisir : q
mircea_popescu: uand on a des plaisirs un peu répétés, on peut dans cet espace de tems se dire heureux ; quand ce bonheur dure un peu plus, c'est un état de félicité ; on est quelquefois bien loin d'être heureux dans la prospérité, comme un malade dégoûté ne mange rien d'un grand festin préparé pour lui.
Bowjob: "bonheur"
Bowjob: =boner?
mircea_popescu: sorta like a low roar happines
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it isn't that unlike James
BingoBongo: It is a familiar sentiment
mircea_popescu: james who ?
BitHub: mircea coming to australia this weekend?
BingoBongo: William James, one of maybe three Americans introspective enough about the pecuiar brand of manic misery here to approach a reasonble target for a philosopher
mircea_popescu: ah william james. okay
mircea_popescu: BitHub not bloody likely :D
BitHub: haha
BitHub: where the bloody hell are ya
mircea_popescu: timisoara.
BitHub: lets go visit kimdotcom i'm bored
mircea_popescu: bloody hell.
mircea_popescu: send a wire. nothing happens.
BitHub: lul
mircea_popescu: call the bank ready to bite their head off for being idiots
BitHub: bloody hell
mircea_popescu: turns out... the... wire...system... is... down.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are these people doing over there.
BitHub: seems odd when someone else says it
BitHub: being a bunch of cunty's?
mircea_popescu: the us is falling apart.
mircea_popescu: i mean, bitcoin transactions taking 6 hours ? okay. its some internet funny money nobody heard about.
mircea_popescu: but when my banker has to tell me he failed because the wire system is down...
BitHub: dood stop complaining
BitHub: i had to sit a cafe for 6 hours just to wait for 1 confirm
mircea_popescu: it's not even complaining. i'm awed i guess.
BitHub: it was hell
mod6: sup mpexbot
mod6: (20:09) < BitHub> DEATH TO SD
mod6: here we go again
mircea_popescu: lol he's trolling.
BitHub: i didn't care before till i had to start waiting hours and hours and hours for 1 confirm
BitHub: now its personal
mod6: ahh, successfull troll 9/10
mod6: oh no troll then
mircea_popescu: guess that makes me successfull troll 10/10
jcpham: mod6 agreed
jcpham: like adhd chat
mod6: this stuff about SD is getting out of hand
jcpham: i don't care so much about SD
jcpham: if txns aren't going through that's a problem
jcpham: a problem i think miners should capitalize on
jcpham: i'm not sure how though
jcpham: if SD wants its blocks mined it needs to pay a toll
jcpham: it needs a pool in its pocket
topace_: how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ?
jcpham: that's why i pay a fee on my txns, because i want them to go through
BitHub: i agree
BitHub: slap a toll in there
jcpham: specialized pools should crop up soon
mod6: what is going on...
BitHub: so you mean just a mining farm just for SD transactions?
mod6: so tx's are not being processed at all?
jcpham: in some cases they are backing up because of the 250kb block limit
jcpham: afaiunderstand it
jcpham: luke-jr and others primarily blame this on SD
jcpham: and then some say the devs should all hold hands and increase it
BingoBongo: I blame bitvisitor. At least some SD transactions carry appreciable amunts of bitcoins.
mod6: yeah, read about that shit earlier...
mod6: today has been insane even outside of btc today, hard to keep up
mod6: so basically btc is fucked
BingoBongo: Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet
mod6: if they move up to 1Mb that buys them some time, but isn't any different then what the global central banks are doing
mod6: buying time
jcpham: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150405.0;topicseen
jcpham: the "SD is spam" idea has traction
mod6: yeah, looks like it
jcpham: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09964.html
jcpham: At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
jcpham: network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
jcpham: specialists with server farms of specialized hardware. A server farm would
jcpham: only need to have one node on the network and the rest of the LAN connects with
jcpham: that one node.
jcpham: assume we're close to the point of full node/ merkle nodes
jcpham: what happens to SD if pools or full nodes implement that patch
Diablo-D3: jcpham: dude
Diablo-D3: as it stands
Diablo-D3: without any patch
Diablo-D3: bitcoin will just shove SD tx out because they don't pay fees
BitHub: i got so angry i sold over 1000 sdice shares for whatever the fuck price, something cheap and nasty
jcpham: too much tin foil
BitHub: fuck them
jcpham: not enough beer. my apologies
mod6: i'm gonna guess they will cut SD out, and then SD will just pay fees and maybe raise betting levels?
mod6: there was talk about raising min fee to .01 or something, but that doesn't give incentive to not use anything else gay like PP
mod6: now, see, i thought that EV kept sayin how he pays fee's and the miners are getting rich off the fee's alone...
mod6: ala, something like `SD has paid more in fee's than all the rest of the tx's combined'... must find link...
mod6: one sec.
mod6: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145510.msg1559267#msg1559267
mod6: there
smickles: $coin
mpexbot: smickles: Error: "coin" is not a valid command.
smickles: fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
mod6: so i think that SD pays the fee's which is what got me so worked up this morning reading all of Luke-jr's crusade to rid the world of SD
mod6: but the blocksize thing is a seperate problem.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBongo> Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet << this.
mircea_popescu: <topace_> how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ? << the mpexbot just showed up
mircea_popescu: jcpham read the next reply from that dude.
mircea_popescu: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09968.html
mircea_popescu: he's brilliant.
BingoBongo: $OIX
mpexbot: BingoBongo: Error: "OIX" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: who is he anyway ?
mircea_popescu: $dix
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "dix" is not a valid command.
doctor_pullfingr: can we speculate that the ddos against mpex is retaliation for SD spam?
mod6: maybe
mircea_popescu: lol i don't think luke has the resources for something like this.
BitHub: what's the price of SD now?
BitHub: wonder if its gone down a bit
mircea_popescu: BitHub not appreciably changed.
BitHub: not like yesterday when everyone thought mpex was done for hey
BingoBongo: Luke has too well developed though weird sense of ethics for a DDOS
jcpham: that message thread may wind up framed in the luvre or some shit
mircea_popescu: they did ?!
BitHub: yeah remember mircea everyone in otc was panicing
BitHub: lulz
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: mpex ain't done for till i say
mircea_popescu: and i'm niot even fat.
BitHub: fiat :P
mircea_popescu: anyone saw "seek and destroy" ?
mircea_popescu: christopher walken movie
BitHub: ummm nope
BitHub: good?
mircea_popescu: its surreal
jcpham: mircea_popescu you should partake in -otc for a bit
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it didn't get more traction, should be a cult classic.
jcpham: it's total anarchy
BitHub: what year?
mircea_popescu: 1995
mircea_popescu: jcpham lol
jcpham: it's total anarchy
BitHub: my bad jcpham
BitHub: i think its my fault
jcpham: nope
jcpham: channel needs desperately to be +m
mircea_popescu: pity it's +m and not +fuckyouyourestupid
mircea_popescu: which would be the proper name of that flag
mircea_popescu: i guess it's too long
BitHub: are you sure he's in that movie mircea?
BitHub: nothing on imdb
mircea_popescu: yes im sure.
mircea_popescu: hum lets see
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114371/
mircea_popescu: tghere. scorsese also has a cameo
mircea_popescu: he plays a tax accountant for the state of florida lol
BitHub: ahh search not seek :P
BitHub: lul scorses wtf
mircea_popescu: o sorry my bad
jcpham: i just realized the other day that mario puzo did superman
jcpham: the original screenplay
BitHub: nice same guy as godfather
jcpham: and jor-el is the fucking godfather
BitHub: ahh yeah that's right he did play jor-el
jcpham: do you think when they were filming the godfather and made money
jcpham: marlon brando was like
jcpham: you know i'd really like to be superman
mircea_popescu: lol
BitHub: fuck man how good was marlon brando
jcpham: and that was as close as he came to it
mircea_popescu: jcpham do you know the one where marlon brando went like... hey, i'd like to rape this 19 yo
mircea_popescu: and so they did it ?
jcpham: hrm sounds questionably legal
BitHub: wat?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: girl got total rape victim shock syndrome
maximian: These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade…
mircea_popescu: became like, a feminist and everything. total tableau.
BitHub: he raped someone?
mircea_popescu: maximian tell you something : if morons are gonna kills anything then fuck that anything.
mircea_popescu: BitHub yes.
mircea_popescu: anal sex too
mircea_popescu: with butter.
BitHub: i doubt it
mircea_popescu: its a fact.
BitHub: nah
BingoBongo: The anti-SD crusade isn't going to kill bitcoin. The crusaders are more people who liberated their bitcoins by freeing them into S.Dice's arms. Probably... except for Luke.
maximian: the problem is their little "SD is spam" meme is starting to spread
mod6: (20:48) < maximian> These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade... <<< this
BitHub: the coolest thing about brando was when he sent an indian woman to collect his oscar for his role in the godfather
mircea_popescu: BitHub http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-469646/I-felt-raped-Brando.html
BitHub: i "felt" raped
BitHub: lulz
mircea_popescu: maximian mod6 people fail to realise this, but there's a good reason and great strategic advantage in the girl's fuck you attitude.
mod6: (20:46) <+mod6> "First, SD has paid more mining fees than everyone else in the world, combined." << Is this a lie?
mod6: (20:46) <+Luke-Jr> mod6: yes
mod6: there it is folks
BitHub: oh yeah i remember this movie
BitHub: it was pretty friggen psycho
mircea_popescu: no meme spreads past the point where someone's holding a club
BitHub: i doubt it tho mircea
mircea_popescu: mod6 the guy's insane, sd paid like 55% of all fees ever paid
maximian: DailyAnarchist put it right it a bitcointalk thread: if nobody knew what the source of these "spam" transactions were, then the discussion would be about how to improve the system to handle more transactions. The fact that the crusaders know these transactions are from SatoshiDice has clouded their judgement.
mircea_popescu: maximian its not even that.
mod6: mircea_popescu: im /nearly/ at a loss for words.
BitHub: but even if he did, meh that's his personal life, still the best actor
mircea_popescu: it's simple drama. some people who mean very little started to notice.
mircea_popescu: and are trying to inject themselves into the public eye
mircea_popescu: how is that accomplished ? why, crusade for "the betterment".
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr is a sort of bitcoin obama.
mircea_popescu: the thing is... unlike fiat that shit doesn't work here.
BitHub: bitcoin obama lulz
mircea_popescu: well... for anything other than comedic relief.
BitHub: he gave me a pretty lulz neg review
mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: at any rate, drama backs bitcoin, so, all this is good.
mod6: BitHub: and you're on Luke-jr's side?!?!?
maximian: it raises my hackles, I tell you! :)
BitHub: heh i'm not on his side
BitHub: but i do have beef with sdice atm
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha drama is right. BTC has more drama than Lifetime Channel.
mircea_popescu: mod6 imagine how it'll be when women finally discover it.
mircea_popescu: otc made out of ~100 middle aged women with nothing better to do
BingoBongo: bitcoin-assets we've taken the family car apart six times today just to get some quiet time
mod6: (20:54) < jcpham> luke-jr if you don't stfu about SD i'm going to burn your church down
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: (20:54) <+Luke-Jr> jcpham: I'll be there to shoot you when you try.
mod6: (20:55) < jcpham> :)
mod6: (20:55) <+mod6> wwjd
mircea_popescu: where's that church anyway ?
BingoBongo: Rome isn't it? He's catholic his local stuff doesn't matter. I just wonder which of the BitBet pope bets are his.
mod6: FL i guess
doctor_pullfingr: GoDaddy got semi famous off the savetoby controversy. Then got really famous off the Superbowl controversy. I think S.Dice should milk this controversy for everything it's got. shout S.Dice is spam from the mountaintops
doctor_pullfingr: I own shares btw
doctor_pullfingr: http://savetoby.com/
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: (20:58) <+Luke-Jr> anyhow, I was just trying to get a feel for how many people would run a counter-SD client if I take the time to write the code
mircea_popescu: i dunno, goddady is a piece of shit.
mod6: this is like his own fork isn't it?
maximian: evoorhees should reinvest his profits into a massive mining pool - that's probably the surest way to make the crusaders irrelevant.
mod6: i mean he's not saying that, but thats what it is.
mircea_popescu: maximian at this point in the game it's the surest way to go bankrupt.
BitHub: POS name
mircea_popescu: all the scams...
Luke-Jr: maximian: the surest way is to stop flooding and implement SD properly
Luke-Jr: maximian: far cheaper too
mircea_popescu: this is properly dood.
maximian: "properly"
mod6: Luke-Jr: what you're proposing is a hard fork of the blockchain right?
mircea_popescu: mod6 so he starts his own client, what's the big deal ?
Luke-Jr: heck, I'd even offer to do it for him except my stupid State has laws against writing code for gambling -.-
Luke-Jr: mod6: no
mod6: ok. i don't care if he starts his own client.
mircea_popescu: face facts : sooner or later Luke-Jr will end up in a little corner playing with some correct toys nobody cares about
BitHub: serious Luke?
mod6: as long as everyone else figures out how to solve the block size issue.
mircea_popescu: this is how it goes, nothing wrong in it.
BitHub: laws against writing code?
maximian: If you didn't know the origin of the transactions, what would you say?
mod6: SD is another problem
BitHub: that's crazy
mod6: or not
Luke-Jr: BitHub: yes, it's stupid
mod6: but... whatever. they're two seperate topics
BitHub: Luke so you could fly to mexico and be all sweet?
Luke-Jr: why the USA has such a big problem with gambling, I'll probably never understand
mod6: what if SD wasnt a gaming site?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm not interested in relocation to Mexico.
BitHub: so online gambling is illegal but guns is sweet? haha
mod6: what if it was just some random tx's from the same host that paid the fee's?
mod6: would you say the same thing?
Luke-Jr: mod6: a flood is a flood.
BitHub: Luke-Jr ya i know was thinking if you spent a week there adn wrote the code, would that be legal?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I don't care how it's financed
Luke-Jr: BitHub: dunno
BitHub: hmm i think you would get away with it :)
mod6: Luke-Jr: ok. so what happens when there are 1,000,000 bitcoin users and they all create 5 new tx's per day.
mod6: what then? we just shut the fucking doors and go home?
mod6: christ on a pony this is idiotic
Luke-Jr: mod6: no, that's far less than SD does
mod6: you're saying that SD does more than 5 million tx's per day?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I'm saying adoption matters.
Luke-Jr: 1,000,000 nodes can handle 5 mil txs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.446 = 2.23 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with the current broken bitcoin-qt there will never, ever, no matter what be 1mn nodes.
mircea_popescu: ever.
mod6: Luke-Jr: yes, adoption matters, you know what I have guys download? something for their android
mod6: not the full client.
mod6: i don't want them to wait 3 days
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: 1,000,000 users also brings a number more developers onboard
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr what the fuck are you thinking this is, chicken lay eggs ?
Luke-Jr: mod6: eventually, Bitcoin-Qt will be instant-on
mircea_popescu: herpderp joe sixpack becomes a dev if you aggregate 5000 of them !?
mircea_popescu: money brings devs.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09964.html <-- Satoshi on the necessity of adoption to scale
mircea_popescu: there was never good myspace code. ever.
mircea_popescu: myspace had a billion users.
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for adoption to scale right now is to fix the motherfucking client.
mircea_popescu: rather than trying to argue with a tank.
Luke-Jr: the client isn't broken.
BitHub: lul myspace
mircea_popescu: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lBXQVHyQ1VA/TNczMI1ojSI/AAAAAAAAAq4/7tE5YUtGIz4/s1600/Tank_over_car.jpg
mircea_popescu: car that tried to argue with a tank.
mircea_popescu: the client is beyond broken.
mircea_popescu: actually it may be the worst piece of crap ever used by this many people.
mod6: so you're gonna make your own client, that'll have your branch (exclusion of '1dice') in there native?
mircea_popescu: simple illustrative point : i can pick a torrent worth 7gb right now, anything with less than 20 seeders
mircea_popescu: and it will be downloaded in an hour.
mircea_popescu: this means blockchain MUST be downloaded in 15 minutes tops.
mircea_popescu: TOPS.
mod6: yeah, torrents are uber fast
mircea_popescu: until the point that's the case none of you people have any business eating even.
mircea_popescu: forget having oppinions. just tap the kbd till it does it.
jcpham: lots of info for SD investors to speculate on
mod6: vote with your coins!
mod6: lol
jcpham: i think this entire chat would be insider trading somehow
jcpham: now all we have to do is collude
jcpham: publicly
mod6: bah
BingoBongo: It's IRC this is public enough...
jcpham: you would think, but...
BitHub: it is?
BingoBongo: any one know who Guest 11382 is?
Bowjob: mhm anyone think bfl wont deliver by april?
BitHub: april 1st
BitHub: deliver you a big box with a letter inside it asking for money money
BitHub: more
BingoBongo: I bet they might, BitCOin's just playmoney anyway
Bowjob: gah
BingoBongo: At least BitBet is online...
mod6: are tx's going through though?
BingoBongo: Investigating that now
BingoBongo: Blockchain saw it... Let's see if it confirms...
mod6: well, this one isn't too old, and it's got 19 confs: http://blockchain.info/tx/d8dac0508d27e922f957c893c896f6f887a7dc614c1aec1c89b27b943ff5be0f
mod6: ima keep lookin
BingoBongo: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/59136614/289e2dc6ac2cd1f3e8d5ec126741b304caf1e16b3e746eadd0a402dbc9910870 because the Dutch ar fucking Cuba's shit up right now...
mod6: thanks BingoBongo
BingoBongo: You're welcome. It's one of those World Baseball Classic penny bets, because apparently that didn't have enough chutzpah to attract much interest. I've had too much vodka tonight to mess with the python script so I don't know at this weight if I will clear anything, but fuck it. Bitcoin is an MMORPG and that's what I'm telling the 5-0
mod6: for real lol
SpNg: hey mircea_popescu I have been out of the loop the last couple days. What's going on with MPEx? I see that it's down right now.
BingoBongo: Bitcoin is a drama role playing game and it just so happens the tokens to play the game happen to be valued quite a bit. Like WoW gold.
mod6: im starting to think the same thing. like fast-times-at-btc-high.
BitHub: haha bingo, too true
BitHub: an expensive game of emotions
mircea_popescu: SpNg well, past coupla days its been being ddosed
mircea_popescu: finally yest they got the proxies and everything.
mircea_popescu: working on bringing all back online.
mircea_popescu: there's a forum post the girl made summing up everything
SpNg: mircea_popescu: seriously? wtf? you have a link to the post?
mircea_popescu: ok 1 sec
SpNg: any public motive?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1598165#msg1598165
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, god knows i'm well loved and i can't think of anyone or anything that'd have it in for me.
SpNg: haha. love it.
BingoBongo: Maybe Coinlab, You just debuted that OIX thing that kind of threatened to replace MT Gox spot... Though you presented it more modestly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo maybe.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh... what diff would it make to anyone if its gox spot or oix or a random number coming out of a hat.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's the consensus it's as good as any other, for a service provider.
BingoBongo: I mean the girl's been hammering the Gox is dead mantra and some noobs seem to be trusting her for a change. You might have survived the game long enough that people start to assume you're legit.
mircea_popescu: i think the legit part came in a while ago.
mod6: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 05:39:10 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.
mircea_popescu: and the girl's been hammering the what ?!
mod6: july 22, 2011
BitHub: hammering BitHub
mod6: that's been a while now, longer than most of us
BitHub: u*
BingoBongo: The Coinlab buying Gox's USD book threatens Gox's sustainability angle
BitHub: :B
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo im not even sure they seriously want the #1 spot.
BitHub: Bingo incorrect
BingoBongo: Ah, that's just my reading.
BitHub: they're are many peeps many working on ways for americans to get around coinlab into gox
mircea_popescu: but im pretty sure nothing was bought.
mod6: ;;bc,tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 16 seconds
mod6: of course
BitHub: i think you'll see a lil bump but gox should be okey :)
BingoBongo: I dunno yCombinator has all of that renting apartments out to methheads money Mircea, it was probably either bought, hyped, or humiliated. I don't think Gox was forced, but I say this with a low degree of confidence.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo i'm with pigeons on that score :
BingoBongo: BitHub I trust it will be smooth, but the newbs opions shape the shouting
mircea_popescu: mtgox dispensed itself of the liabilitous us book
mircea_popescu: quite ellegantly at that.
BingoBongo: Coinlab probably though it was a bargain
mircea_popescu: it's how these things usually work.
mircea_popescu: after the french fiasco they certainly didn't feel the need for a replay, so.
mircea_popescu: it's a win-win : the noobs get bragging rights (which they don't know how to use, but hey, youth), mtgox gets out of some stick.
mircea_popescu: the us public becomes even more underserved, isolated, ghettoized
mircea_popescu: but then again that's unavoidable.
BingoBongo: Gox never really had the staff or skill to handle the low information customers
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's some lessons being learned here. everyone wants to be more like mpex.
BitHub: be nice is there was something just as big or popular as mtgox
BitHub: at least 4 places
BitHub: not good to depend just on mtgox?
mircea_popescu: maybe they'll crop up.
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, the net result of mtgox's however we call it, incompetence, being stretched too thin
mircea_popescu: is that otc trade exploded,.
BingoBongo: ANd that's the crucial difference from 2011
mircea_popescu: they have been bleeding market share month by month by month. by now i wouldn't even bet they do a third.
mircea_popescu: in 2011 they had 80% hands down
mircea_popescu: this of course becomes problematic for pricing options.
mod6: ;;bc,tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
mod6: hardy fuckin har miners
BitHub: so is mpex going to do its own gox? :D
mircea_popescu: And thus it came to pass that the splendid son of bright-minded Keleos,
mircea_popescu: Dêmophôn, who was born to well-girded Metaneira
mod6: cross your fingers and pray to dog
mircea_popescu: well girded lol. that's a woman i'd like to meet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4999988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BitHub nope
mod6: awe
mircea_popescu: it's not a business i know anything about whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: nor do i think it has much future
BitHub: and that's stopped you before?
BitHub: lulz
mircea_popescu: BitHub yea ?
BitHub: meh fiats
mircea_popescu: accincta.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose they meant tits ?
mircea_popescu: or ass ?
BitHub: hehe
mod6: this next block should be sizeable
BitHub: its such a good word, i use it for slang all the time
mod6: but its a 250k limit so the joke's on me LOL
mircea_popescu: i never understood how that 250k limit got to be there
BingoBongo: mod6 I would bet my bet makes it in this next block...
mod6: yeah, it should
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, that seems pretty strange to me now.
Bowjob: 1 TB limit
Bowjob: raise dat limit
mircea_popescu: mod6 and you see, here's the problem :
mircea_popescu: recently i discovered the way bitcoind works is all quirky and based on assumptive limitations like that.
mircea_popescu: im starting to think one or several idiots can't code
mircea_popescu: and just write magic numbers everywhere
mircea_popescu: never heard of code and data sepparation etc.
mod6: do you believe there should be a block size limit at all?
BingoBongo: Another point for SD over most miners, BitcoinJ isn't as poorly coded as BitcoinD
mircea_popescu: mod6 well, that's moot. there was one to begin with.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo i've never read it/used it
mod6: oh... it seems to me that if 1 billion people send 1 satoshi in 5 years, it could be a 10gb block... who cares, process it
mod6: maybe im just retarded
mod6: i have been hit in the head a lot :S
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem here tho is that bitcoin as it is is bitcoin as it is.
mircea_popescu: if i get married to you on the understanding that you always wear red underwear
mircea_popescu: as stupid as that may turn out to be, it's still in the fucking contract
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it still follows many of the arbitrary limits (because bitcoind), but the code organization is much better. Kind of sad because well, Java.
mod6: right, so yeah, they wrote it in, no going back.
mircea_popescu: now, the only way to change something like that is the way gavin proposed it
mircea_popescu: ie, "let they who have anything to lose decide where it should be"
mircea_popescu: they who have anything to lose are, of course, the miners. so a system where miners vote somehow on standard block size may be a replacement, maybe.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo ya srsly. why the fuck do these people make these choices.
mircea_popescu: ruby on rails. java. what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a bad idea for coders to be allowed to chose their language.
mod6: na, gotta be able to pick the right tool for the job... but that doesn't always mean that the guy will make the best choice
mod6: i can still use a butter knife as a screwdriver
mod6: but its not best... im just retarded
BingoBongo: WordPress and a watch only wallet powered by ArmoryD is probably how I'd write a bitcoin site if I had to.
mod6: yeah, wow. im blown away by some of this. how did I not zero in on these things?
mod6: its like punching myself in the dick
mod6: ;;bc,tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds
mod6: lol
Bowjob: s;;ticker
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 42.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 42.50000, 24 hour volume: 78229.70545564, 24 hour low: 40.11000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.23642
BingoBongo: Honestly the miners'll probably roll with whatever, making the margins work is their business. Let the pool operators cap block sizes and open up the daemon for everyone else.
BingoBongo: mod6 the bet made it in, miracle what a decent transaction fee can do
mircea_popescu: there's problem with open ended blocksize
mircea_popescu: for one, the bloat
mircea_popescu: for the other, security strictly depends on the block being finite.
mircea_popescu: and is inverse of the block length
BingoBongo: pragmatism will lead miners to cap the size of their own blocks unless they want to birth hydrocephalitic orphans
mod6: BingoBongo: ok thanks man, i see you got one conf in this block: http://blockchain.info/block-index/355466/00000000000003bbf75f37b8a331938d6fb7dc61addf7bf6a97e95f8c9c0e5f0
mod6: right, well i guess you dont want people putting in the wayback machine into the blockchain...
BingoBongo: mod6 and it is the first one. BitBet shows the bet as registered as well
mod6: good deal.
mircea_popescu: http://www.vice.com/read/new-york-cops-will-arrest-you-for-carrying-condoms
mircea_popescu: progress
mircea_popescu: have a large soda in a condom
mod6: yeah they're a bunch of Fascists
mod6: hitler was against very against smoking too
mircea_popescu: "Maybe some quota-filling cop thinks you look like a whore."
BingoBongo: Eh, take Canthaxanthin for a few months and walk around New York, some Cop will grab a real good feel.
mod6: BingoBongo: 2 confs now...
mod6: so at least with your .0025 fee, that was good enough
BingoBongo: mod6 It has been my standard fee for about a month now. I'm not patient enough to send with less.
BingoBongo: Even on small transactions it is cheaper than a wire
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: what's that one do ?
BingoBongo: Canthaxanthin is a tanning pill
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: a
mod6: ok gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: 10 cents. seems legit.
mircea_popescu: http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/dita-von-teese-stuns-first-ever-3-d-175606524.html
mircea_popescu: no, she's not baring cunt. it's worse.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00072776 = 5.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00075 = 3.8625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.96000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24998 BTC [-]
Rick__: When will you fix MPEx
mircea_popescu: hi Rick__
mircea_popescu: hang on for a minute here.
mircea_popescu: $post ew4aaH8L
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: http://pastebin.com/gZhCDu2b
ZedsterX: I just got up to having my comp hacked....so what is your sitch now MP?
mircea_popescu: $depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: http://pastebin.com/7iJS63TY
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
mircea_popescu: heh
smickles: wtf?!!
smickles: i'm pro yo!
ZedsterX: anyone else in the channel have problem with attacks on their comp last night?
mircea_popescu: ok so! what you folks see here is a historical moment.
mircea_popescu: mpexbot is capable of proxing mpex trade server now.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: cute.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: i guees not thx
smickles: for watever reason mpexbot's pro pastebin feature of posting >25 posts per day hasn't been enabled yet
Rick__: so what's mpexbot?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ it is a method of talking to mpex that can not be ddosed
mircea_popescu: as it has no known ip.
mircea_popescu: now, mpex infrastructure is being upgraded, and it will be back sometime today.
Rick__: okay,understand a bit
Rick__: Okay cool
Rick__: so many computer things that I dont understand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1337 @ 0.00075 = 1.0028 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Rick__ :)
BitHub: 1337
mircea_popescu: ok so, im closing the ordering now, because i don't want inconsistencies. this is all testnet stuff.
mircea_popescu: but the good news is here to stay. mpexbot.
BitHub: is it hard to make a ticker from your api mircea?
mircea_popescu: worst case scenario just moved to "if 10 Gb pipe isn't enough to stop ddos, we just trade via mpexbot"
mircea_popescu: BitHub not really an api but still, i don't think so, it's all json after all.
BitHub: okey, hopefully i can feature a mpex ticker on my site soon, if its okey with you of course
mircea_popescu: surely.
BitHub: :) sweet
Rick__: so what's the s.dice price now?
Rick__: what command can I use to check the price
mircea_popescu: Rick__ the price hasn't appreciably changed since trade has been locked for the past ~12 hours
mircea_popescu: the PTs trade about the same levels.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct gsdpt
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.00596 / 0.00599 / 0.00599 (92 shares, 0.6 BTC), 7D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.0065 (28529 shares, 177.2 BTC), 30D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.00687 (139940 shares, 868.7 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !ticker havelock sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.41510000 / 0.4566318 / 0.51000000 (197 shares, 89.95646538 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.55221757 / 0.68700000 (1696 shares, 936.56099770 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63685913 / 0.76500000 (8993 shares, 5727.27416254 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.4999988 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4999988 = 2.5 BTC [+]
Bowjob: damn
Bowjob: shoulda bought some dice shares
Bowjob: coulda arb'd by now
Bowjob: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
deadweasel: lordy they tanked on bitfunder, .004
deadweasel: are they higher somewheres else?
BitHub: jesus
BitHub: that is low
maximian: last s.dice trade on mpex was something like 0.0058
maximian: it rebounded
ZedsterX: gotta be in for the long haul and ho-pe or dump
deadweasel: what should I do with 1600 shares on bitfunder?
deadweasel: oh that
deadweasel: hold and hope
BitHub: i doubt s.dice will be here for the long run
BitHub: i would dump and pump into jah mining and collect daily divs
BitHub: that's what i been doin
maximian: I wouldn't be so sure about that. S.dice is more than just a dice game, it's a brand
BitHub: a brand>
BitHub: ?
deadweasel: i had some jah, was good, but I can't get rid of these sdice. bought at .55 sold at 75, then bought back in at .6 cos I'm still learning, that's why
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so then if you sell at .4 you're even money
BitHub: just get rid of them all deadweasel
BitHub: and pump it into jah, anything you'll loose you'll make up in the dail divs
deadweasel: if they are 58 on mpex, know anybody who wants them at .55!
deadweasel: it's a firesale!
maximian: yes, building brand awareness is expensive. the value of s.dice's brand awareness justifies the stock price alone.
deadweasel: yeah, i'm going for divs only stocks these days. sdice may not make it to the next divs, as it is. the brand may make it through w/out the assets
maximian: Some big gaming concern is probably going to come in and scoop up s.dice
deadweasel: exactly, no more bitcoin divs
BitHub: lul gaming company
deadweasel: they'
ZedsterX: who/where is JAH?
BitHub: the core of the community hates S.DICE
maximian: An acquisition would be a great exit for all investors
BitHub: its spam
maximian: That's not true - some of the core devs, not all
BitHub: we just had a 5 hour tango convo about this before
BitHub: sorry some :)
maximian: There are enough mining pools who will always confirm s.dice transactions
deadweasel: let's not start this again
maximian: agreed :)
BitHub: agreed :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 39 @ 0.5 = 19.5 BTC [+]
BitHub: its been a good day, have you seen all the giveaways on otc?
BitHub: i even got in on the action
BitHub: gave away some btc for twitter followers heh
deadweasel: that's good business right now. +1s and followers and likes
ZedsterX: jah mining is on MPEX? I have never seen this or is it called something else
deadweasel: bitpride is going to do the same thing as sdice?
BitHub: yep when i eventually get into full marketing mode i'll pay offering btc tips for peeps who paste their address to me on twitter or fb
BitHub: :)
BitHub: better than fb's advertising system
deadweasel: you should automate it --- mechanical turk for likes.
deadweasel: real people, can't get around that
BitHub: ahh i wish i could
deadweasel: you could
BitHub: but the coding, programming stuff, me doing it? is like getting the janitor to fly the airplane
BitHub: instead of a pilot
deadweasel: spend some time to interview local college kids for an 'internship'. orjust pay them shit
BitHub: lul i'm paying a few programmers on here atm, slowly
deadweasel: until you get bigger then hire a better coder and scrap and redo
BitHub: it gets exe
deadweasel: yup
BitHub: :)
deadweasel: get the ones from india
Namworld: ZedsterX: no
deadweasel: srsly though, expectations of bitpride?
Namworld: idk about bitpride
BitHub: um bitpride i was looking at those shares but felt a bit shy
ZedsterX: Namworld: thx so where is it listed?
BitHub: its cool its something different but i dont know
Namworld: I got a few shares for the heck of it.
BitHub: bitfunder.com
deadweasel: i'd just rather have my btc going up than my shares going down.
Namworld: https://bitfunder.com/asset/JAH
ZedsterX: was buttfunder pointed at me?
ZedsterX: hehe thx guys
maximian: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/7iJS63TY has been removed already
BitHub: is jah the only onepaying daily divs on BF?
mircea_popescu: maximian i think they die in 10 minutes
BitHub: everyone else is weekly or monthly yeah?
maximian: ah, ok
maximian: I like the idea… but what if pastebin gets DDoS'd?
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
mircea_popescu: heh.
maximian: that sucks
mircea_popescu: maximian move to a diff one
maximian: yeah
maximian: need a higher limit
mircea_popescu: maximian it's temporary tho. they've not credited the acct to pro status yet
maximian: i see
BitHub: ddos sucks
mircea_popescu: anyway, the surface keeps growing.
BitHub: is it really hard to combat it?
mircea_popescu: now the attacker has to take out all pastebins too ?
BitHub: or just really expensive?
mircea_popescu: BitHub it's impossible to combat it, in principle.
BitHub: shitty
mircea_popescu: mpex is pretty much the only thing that even has a prayer at it, but otherwise... nope.
BitHub: ahh yep true
mircea_popescu: they ARE expensive to do tho, so in a sense a self limiting condition
Rick__: when will be the new version of bitvps's website on?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ today.
mircea_popescu: o sorry
BitHub: any idea who's behind it?
mircea_popescu: i thought you were asking about mpecx
mircea_popescu: BitHub nope
Rick__: o,hehe
BitHub: bounty time?
Rick__: I have been waiting the new bitvps for a month
Rick__: they always say soon
Bowjob: " * Show your support in asking the MPOE exchange where the S.DICE security is located, to de-list the security until the problem is addressed."
BitHub: free membership and 5btc to whoever finds
Bowjob: guys a huge dump is happening
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150493.0
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
maximian: that misterbigg guy is a little slow
Bowjob: just increase the min bet
mircea_popescu: maximian he;s a funny guy. he was active in the s.dice thread back in august
Bowjob: 0.1 BTC per bet or gtfo
mircea_popescu: then the girl found out about his dirty past
mircea_popescu: so he took a break
mircea_popescu: i see he's back now
maximian: hehheh…I wonder why he bothers
Bowjob: well, it took like over an hour to confirm my tx last night
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is where the cool kids are. hard to stay away
mircea_popescu: Bowjob i had some quwued for 6.
Bowjob: damn
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: imo we need a compromise. this blockchain bloat is annoying
deadweasel: can i push from bitfunder to havelock?
Bowjob: how about increasing the min bet on all dice games
Bowjob: 0.1 or gtfo
Bowjob: that seems reasonable
deadweasel: i like that idea, until BTC is worth $100, 1000
BitHub: it wouldn't be that hard to get s.dice shut down
BitHub: i mean really
BitHub: they're based in usa right?
deadweasel: I think Sdice needs to handle the issue on their end, do their own gambling fork.
maximian: I do like all this s.dice exposure… being talked about is what keeps it on top
deadweasel: i dunno I'm not a dev,
BitHub: yeah its good pr for sure
deadweasel: anyway, how could I get my SDICE from bitfunder to havelock?
Namworld: They could easily take bitcoin deposits and have a fork for the sole purpose of calculating lucky numbers, nay?
BitHub: i just hope s.dice pays taxes
Namworld: giving a fork balance that can be cashed out... inconvenient tho
BitHub: for their sake
mircea_popescu: Namworld nay
Namworld: I don't know about that.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be trustworthy.
deadweasel: yeah, i don't know. I have no solutions. just shrinking asset value.
smickles: gaaw, wtf are these people on about, do the really thing some script,ajax heavy site would do better against a sustained ddos than a few <tr> tags?
mircea_popescu: which people ?
Bowjob: the dice share holders will be opposed to delisting their shares
Bowjob: wtf is mrbig thinking
smickles: people like that mrbig and such
mircea_popescu: define thinking.
mircea_popescu: smickles the stupid want everything remade in their image
mircea_popescu: that such nonsense would require throwing away the edges doesn't worry them : they don't know what those are anyway
smickles: srsly, that was what I came back to when i went to the forum for the first time in a while
smickles: "grinds my gears" so to speak
Bowjob: the tx fees are there on top of the house edge yeah
smickles: and all the chuckleheads talking about raising the blocksize
smickles: yogs! all of them yogs!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: now imagine how bitcoin would work if it were you know... like fiat
mircea_popescu: where the mobile vulgus actually had power.
mircea_popescu: it's kind of interesting how this all worked out btw. the -otc and forum, home of the unwashed masses, all revolutionary and shit. the -assets, where the landed gentry naturally gathers, all conservative.
mircea_popescu: apparently all political history is contained within people themselves.
smickles: human nature at work
BitHub: so we're making history right now?
mircea_popescu: well history is made all the time
BitHub: yeh but none of it really matters
BitHub: especially before the internet was born, real pointless stuff
mircea_popescu: hehe
BitHub: i've liked how things have played out so far but are we about to see a real dark turn in the road?
mircea_popescu: always the question.
BitHub: hmmm
OneMiner: The whole issue is wildly overblown. Some extra action will be taken to penalize spammy transactions and the blocksize always had to go up at some point. Not right now though, I think.
maximian: the issue is very polarizing for some reason
maximian: did mpexbot get ddos'd too?!
OneMiner: It's all the anarchists railing about the injustice (nay TYRANNY) of the concept that the blockchain shouldn't contain an unlimited amount of garbage.
OneMiner: Bah, I need to stop phrasing it that way. I'm not doing any good with this noise.
maximian: unlimited garbage is a problem, and needs to be dealt with
OneMiner: It will be worked out, I'm sure people will be upset for a while. But when the sun rises the next day things will look brighter.
maximian: agreed
maximian: the drama is compelling, hence the topic goes on and on
mircea_popescu: maximian haha nah
mircea_popescu: OneMiner the problem is the definition, of course.
mircea_popescu: selecting what is garbage is an overstretch of the licenses granted.
OneMiner: We feed on it right? Here we are trying to adopt a new currency, pretty much out of the blue. Right away we are overly invested relative to the rest of the world. We are all a bit nutty.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the president don't have that authority.
mircea_popescu: http://thebotnet.com/guides-and-tutorials/49828-how-to-access-the-hidden-wiki/
mircea_popescu: that first post is hysterical.
OneMiner: mircea_popescu Except in this case we do have the authority. It's a collective as opposed to unilateral action.
mircea_popescu: "a collective" is scarce basis for authority.
OneMiner: What would be your standard?
OneMiner: We all choose which clients to run right? There's the vote right there.
mircea_popescu: unless you get your subject to agree with you, there's no basis.
mircea_popescu: sure.
OneMiner: Bam, problem solved.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 26 @ 0.5 = 13 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if it actually was solvable that way therer wouldn't be all the whining.
mircea_popescu: the problem is tghat there's no problem, and random selection of idiots are trying to manufacture one for poluitical reasons.
mircea_popescu: which is ridiuclous, but hey, americans.
OneMiner: Well... It WILL be solved that way and there STILL will be whining.
mircea_popescu: thats how much they can do.
OneMiner: It's ok though. The alt coins proove that there is no absolute authority. Miners each have a choice of what transactions to include, the world keep turning.
mircea_popescu: indubitably.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, because in real world politics people consider the media's focusing on margianl nonissues as signs of some sort of conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: yet in bitcoin there's no media, and yet in bitcoin people focus on marginal nonissues instead of facing the hard stuff. like fixing the damned client.
mircea_popescu: no conspiracy. just... the nature of the human herd.
OneMiner: Cool. I just wanted to pop in with that PSA, the topic is on everybodies mind. :P I've been speaking about this all day. I'm going to bed. :)
mircea_popescu: nn
Namworld: Damn... MPEx needs to come back up. I want to put some orders in =/
OneMiner: I don't hold their views against them. The details do matter. Maybe it's the need for sleep but I can sympathize to a degree.
OneMiner: nn
maximian: I have mpex withdrawal myself
smickles: $vwap
mpexbot: smickles: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
smickles: scumbag pastebin
mircea_popescu: eh wtf is with them ppls.
smickles: they have an excellent business model
smickles: 1. take you money
mircea_popescu: ya. charge and don't deliver
Namworld: What's the new time estimates on MPEx availability?
Namworld: Should I just go sleep and come back tomorrow or is it almost done?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.0342 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: looks like time for bed
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: Nothing else to do.
Namworld: Goodbye
mircea_popescu: namworld actually imminent
mircea_popescu: o boy poor guy
BitHub: hehe
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.089 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mpex.coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: maximian ^
maximian: ahhh…. relief
maximian: ty
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.005978 = 0.0179 BTC [-]
maximian: so this is on the new 10Gb connection?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.18400178 = 82.8008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ill be around to process withdrawals/deposits for anyone needing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://jcph.am/2013/03/08/a-letter-to-my-son/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.13708413 = 111.7236 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you have a son ?!
jcpham: youngest bitcoin owner ever
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.11119696 = 75.6139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: interesting, puts are covering ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 100 @ 0.06940607 = 6.9406 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: learn something every day.
jcpham: is 2175 the correct year
jcpham: why can i not verify that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.05313042 = 34.5348 BTC [-]
jcpham: also i'm serious about a screenplay
jcpham: consider that an opening a prologue
Namworld: I think I'll stay until my MPEx deposit is processed.
jcpham: opening scene
jcpham: kid open letter
mircea_popescu: ok this is backwards world.
mircea_popescu: mpex is closed for a day, when it reopens everyone wants to deposit.
mircea_popescu: i imagined there'd be withdrawals
mircea_popescu: Namworld hey
mjr__: lol nice
Namworld: Why? Because someone DDoS it?
mircea_popescu: i was just saying, poor guy. you went off like 5 minutes before
maximian: anyone who isn't a nervous nelly knows that it was just a temporary issue
Namworld: Yeah, well sleeping is not my forte.
mircea_popescu: hahaha good 1
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.05216909 = 1.0434 BTC [-]
jurov: hi Namworld, can i redirect coinbr.com to bitvps, should the need arise?
mircea_popescu: halelujah some calls.
mjr__: mpex is back up?
mircea_popescu: mjr__ yeh
Namworld: I'd prefer if you didn't...
jurov: ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 195 @ 0.06938646 = 13.5304 BTC [-]
BitHub: mpex trading via social media when its down?
mircea_popescu: BitHub but it's not down.
jurov: yes, facebook app coming shortly
BitHub: hehe
jurov: but twatter wouldn't be bad... if they had sane interface
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C270T] 214 @ 0.37437884 = 80.1171 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: now those must have been some juicy calls.
BitHub: yeah that's what im thinking, twitter could come in handy for situations like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7076 @ 0.00072764 = 5.1488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00069034 = 31.4105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42424 @ 0.00067334 = 28.5658 BTC [-]
maximian: mircea_popescu: so what about http://mpex.co ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 78 @ 0.00413 = 0.3221 BTC [-]
Namworld: still being DDoS'ed I presume
mircea_popescu: maximian there's a lot of hardware being set up. i wanted to get people a lifeline as soon as possible
maximian: ok
maximian: not critical anyway
mircea_popescu: access may be spotty over the next coupla days as everything's being assembled, but hey.
mircea_popescu: better than stone cold, i would think.
maximian: as long as trades can be executed, it's all good
mircea_popescu: jcpham if your son's called jackson are you jack ?
jcpham: definitely
jcpham: he has the same initals as me so he can assume my identity one day
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.08865601 = 39.4519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00588401 BTC [+]
jcpham: people can live forever on the internet you know
jcpham: or at least an identity can
Bowjob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWGvWpEamU
mircea_popescu: aha
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 750 @ 0.20943788 = 157.0784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C290T] 389 @ 0.3278143 = 127.5198 BTC [+]
Namworld: hmm
Namworld: Who sold those P490T?
jurov: you did
Namworld: Nope.
Namworld: But if someone still wants to sell a few, I'd take some.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 176 @ 0.00899 = 1.5822 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it seems to me most sales are either deep calls takingprofits
mircea_popescu: or short plays like puts trying to cut losses
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 150 @ 0.009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 43 @ 0.01 = 0.43 BTC [+]
Namworld: maybe
mircea_popescu: "The properties and procedures of bitcoin can solve real world problems like voting and tokenization, but for now, we use it as money."
mircea_popescu: "and we bitch like a virgin in hell if anyone explores alternate uses"
Schadenfreude: What's going on with coinbr?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Schadenfreude what is ?
Schadenfreude: Ah, figures, they removed https during maintenance
mircea_popescu: he's moved hosts iirc
Bowjob: http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/03/06/ultra-exclusive-4-7-million-lamborghini-veneno-to-challenge-ferrari-and-mclaren/
Bowjob: I'll pay maybe 50 bitcoins for that
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.20947704 = 47.1323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.23623458 = 20.0799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200000 @ 0.00075 = 150 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://www.pinballcoin.com/#
Bowjob: this looks fun
Bowjob: lol
error4733: haha 11 fail on pinballcoin
Bowjob: what happened on 11
Bowjob: i didnt see it
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: still pending
Bowjob: mhm
error4733: 12 same
Bowjob: do you see it if i spam the free button?
mircea_popescu: Up to 17.5 million RBS banking group customers were left without their money last night as the bank’s systems crashed.
error4733: and me ?
Bowjob: Mhm, is the free button provably fair
Bowjob: i seem to lose a lot
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: shouldnt i win a lot on the free button
Namworld: the center stuff have way more paths leading to them than others... assuming each spot has the actual odds the same as if the coin had 50% falling either side of each nail.
Bowjob: i hit a 5
error4733: cool, add then with all your imaginary coin
Bowjob: mhm, i hit the free button 104 times, i made my browser slow to a crawl
jurov: finally managed to sneak into my bitvps vps..
jurov: just did mount / -f -o remount,ro ; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/root
jurov: >:D
jurov: leave burned ground to them
error4733: haaa fail, i just try but with instawallet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00075 = 13.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 77 @ 0.00725 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: asicminer? :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 335 @ 0.65 = 217.75 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: starting to move a little.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btctc asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65 / 0.65 (383 shares, 249 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: price or volume?
mircea_popescu: volume is what i meant
Chaang-Noi: otc there was a lot of movement
mircea_popescu: ah
Chaang-Noi: more than 10,000 shares sold in the last 2 to 3 weeks
mircea_popescu: price seems glued to 65 tho
Chaang-Noi: that was my fault, im fixing that right now
Chaang-Noi: only 40 shares left at .65 and then im no longer under contract to sell at that price
Chaang-Noi: after bfl fails to ship and asicminer gets 50% of the network i think 1.5 btc might trade
Chaang-Noi: you still getting ddossed?
TradeFortress: well it looks likes it
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: use mpex.coinbr.com for now.
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, are they just targeting mpex.co and not mpex.coinbr.com?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: i used tghe ddos to make a lot of upgrades, not everything's ready to come up online
mircea_popescu: but i wanted to open up trade for people, so
mircea_popescu: sorta midway solution for now.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.15947462 = 107.6454 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Ukto i notice you're conspicuously absent https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1599582#msg1599582
mircea_popescu: and wtf is going on in these people's heads, they're simultaneously arguing which exchanges should list and delist s.dice
mircea_popescu: what is this, the dictature of the proletariat or someshit ?! who even asked them.
Namworld: Why is the return amount needed on losses?
Namworld: the 1 satoshi or so outputs by S.DICE?
BitHub: bitcoin isn't a dictatorship?
Namworld: Can't Erik remove those? I don't see much point anyway. You can check your lucky number regardless... If you don't win, don't confirm by sending 1 satoshi?
Ukto: heh
Ukto: mircea_popescu: they are just going overkill
Ukto: it wont happen
Ukto: I was talking to Erik the other day
Ukto: yesterday? day before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
Ukto: not worth posting
Namworld: No, but is the 1 satoshi return on loss needed?
Namworld: Seems that part could be killed at least
mircea_popescu: Namworld i guess maybe that is in fact superfluous
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they do it this way.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: is erik even under any kind of permentant "cant just up and move" contract with mpex anyways?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Ukto: how to enforce?
mircea_popescu: some people stick to their contracts ?
mircea_popescu: what enforce.
Ukto: i mean, seems a bit draconian ?
mircea_popescu: why ?
Ukto: "you can never leave"
Ukto: i dunno
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, yet BF does the 2nf most volume
mircea_popescu: Ukto if you think about it the only practical effect it has is it prevents accounting becoming a mess a la asicminer.
mircea_popescu: or whatever other post-glbse assets
Ukto: it worked fine there
Namworld: SD offers a lookup tool to check your lucky numbers anyway. If you lose, you can see it from the tool.
mircea_popescu: i didn't get that impression.
Ukto: Namworld ?
mircea_popescu: even with the relatively few shareholders.
Namworld: A lookup search box should be palced prominently on SD
Ukto: Namworld: join the conversation for a sec pls :P
Namworld: If you don't win, don't reply with a 1 satoshi transaction
mircea_popescu: Namworld i dunno, did erik even say at any point why they're sending it that way ?
Namworld: no... I guess so people know the bet has been processed?
Namworld: and that they lost?
TradeFortress: Namworld, people want to know if they won or not
Namworld: You can check that without a transaction... that's the point
Namworld: The 1 satoshi "You lose" transaction is kind of pointless.
mircea_popescu: well it does give closure on the spot
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 40 @ 0.65 = 26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what it was.
Chaang-Noi: ahh i was going to buy them shares
TradeFortress: It worked pretty well in the early ages
TradeFortress: Maybe it's due for a change now.
mircea_popescu: ya, possibly something that's no longer needed
mircea_popescu: has erik commented on the thing at all ?
Namworld: Not sure...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.05283354 = 5.5475 BTC [-]
Namworld: I don't want to read 1 billion forum posts and stupidities just to find if Erik ever considered/commented
mircea_popescu: heh yeah.
mircea_popescu: im not sure what their point is anyway. "unspendable" ?!
mircea_popescu: well holly molly, if 1 satoshi is unspendable then what are we doing here
mircea_popescu: basically bitcoin will die a thermic death
mircea_popescu: of satoshi
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how come colored coins are spendable but satoshi aren't ? isn't this exactly the same thing ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps im missing something.
TradeFortress: it bloats the unspent inputs
mircea_popescu: ok
mircea_popescu: but there must be a mechanism to reclaim those
mircea_popescu: otherwise we slowly leak btc
Namworld: apparently not... 1 satoshi takes more fees to transact than the satoshi itself.
Namworld: and people tend to exclude 1 satoshi transactions
mircea_popescu: interesting
Namworld: I guess that's mostly that. Not that it's actually impossible to try to send it without any fee.
Bowjob: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19utdu/hey_rstarcraft_its_my_7th_cake_day_and_youre_my/
Bowjob: Free 1 dollar to everyone
Bowjob: just commen
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: Namworld if they get to be old enough don't they become free ?
Chaang-Noi: have some dust in wallet, send to dice for lulz to get rid of it, win under12000 lol
mircea_popescu: you can't really spend specified inputs can you
mircea_popescu: or are you using the pythin toolbox
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
TradeFortress: so you can't send 1 satoshi. must send a million 1 satoshi inputs and the size of TX will make fees kill
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress days destroyed ruyles don't appply ?
TradeFortress: nope.
mircea_popescu: aha
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.005977 BTC [-]
Namworld: I see
mircea_popescu: i wonder why ?
mircea_popescu: more of the same magic number business i guess
TradeFortress: It's to apply a penalty to people who try to bloat the blockchain
Namworld: I believe in making hardblocks
mircea_popescu: i don't care so much what people intend to do TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: the point is that serious coders don't use magic numbers.
Namworld: and prunning the blockchain
TradeFortress: then be a miner and choose which TXes to accept :)
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: but its more of a codingissue
mircea_popescu: how did they come up with 0,01 ?
mircea_popescu: why not e / 100
mircea_popescu: why not fifty bitcoins
TradeFortress: because a small group of coders decided on it. a customizable fee system would be better
TradeFortress: set your own fee policy.
mircea_popescu: stupid way to code, this.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, if you're trying to apply a penalty to people who tryt to bloat the blockchain
TradeFortress: it could (not saying it is) be based on the cost it takes to process/store the TX
mircea_popescu: you want to impose a fee on txs that have small OUTPOUTS
mircea_popescu: not small inputs.
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, it is small outputs!
mircea_popescu: if it is small outputs
TradeFortress: <TradeFortress> mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
mircea_popescu: then i can use 10 satoshi inputs just fine
TradeFortress: sure, but you need tons of them, and kb fee.
TradeFortress: either way the fee system isn't optimal
mircea_popescu: okay, im off. later all
Namworld: later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey all!
Namworld: Hello
Namworld: not much trading going on right now
deadweasel: howdy
mircea_popescu: i guess not huh
jcpham: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19wq78/my_horrible_bitinstantzipzapmoneygram7eleven/
smickles: i guess pizza is what we should stick too
smickles: er, to
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149892.0
mircea_popescu: im preparing a little bomb over here.
mircea_popescu: blockchain.info down too huh
pizzaman1337: oh noes, http://mpex.coinbr.com/ just died
topace: zomg bitcoin is exploding!
Namworld: topace: what?
topace: mpex down, blockchain.info down, block softlimit filesize reached...
topace: BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?!
kakobrekla: ass related http://heahea.org/img/743-Toilet_tissue_promotion.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's fine dood
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 what are you talkin' about you troll you
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: it's back now
mircea_popescu: you prolly had a dns flicker
deadweasel: you're not kiddin. blockchain is undermaintenance
mircea_popescu: i wasn;t,no
kakobrekla: its all misterbiggs fault!
topace: what should mpex.co resolve to ?
deadweasel: that mofo
deadweasel: it should resolve to be a profitable venture
mircea_popescu: topace mpex.co nothing yet. mpex.coinbr.com is what you want
mircea_popescu: also, let me introduce everyone to mpexbot
topace: yea thats fine here
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: $whois
mircea_popescu: bah i mean
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/QhtV1Hu5
mircea_popescu: $mdepth
jurov: coinbr.com fully functional nao
mircea_popescu: lol pastebin is slow
mircea_popescu: anyway : in case our proxies get taken down, you can use mpexbot to check the json for vwap prices and market depth.
mircea_popescu: you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mircea_popescu: this functionality is disabled currently for administrative reasons, but can be flipped on at will
mircea_popescu: this ensures us against trade being taken down via ddos, unless someone manages to ddoss frenode.
mircea_popescu: there will be a 2nd bot coming online this weekend, doing roughly the same thing, just for redundancy.
jurov: and trades by email are supported automatically?
jurov: or you do the manually?
mircea_popescu: trades by email was an absolute lowest level of desperation.
mircea_popescu: we haven't reached it.
jurov: ah okay
mircea_popescu: it's just there as a possibility so people understand that no matter what happens, mpex will trade.
mircea_popescu: but atm no need for such inconvenience.
mircea_popescu: any questions ?
pizzaman1337: noob question: I've been watching some options books' and I've noticed some have buy/sell orders of 1000, with constantly changing prices. Is someone running a script with those orders, or are they mpex provided or something?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 the 1k blocks are mpoebot quoting
mircea_popescu: ;;rated smickles
gribble: You rated user smickles on Sat Aug 25 08:39:34 2012, giving him a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He's been running MPOE.ETF and releasing THE monthly reports, a model for all Bitcoin financial reporting. Also handled k's of BTC as broker for various clients..
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: is that just to provide liquidity or something?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: you totally should change the whole MPEX to be used via IRC
Anduck: -totally-
Anduck: just hide the ip of the bot
Anduck: and youre safe from ddos
mircea_popescu: Anduck ;;ident mpexbot
Anduck: ;;ident mpexbot
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
Anduck: indeed
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 well, it's part of mpex business.
mircea_popescu: Anduck when i say mpex is the superior design this is what i mean.
pizzaman1337: ok, I see
Anduck: mircea_popescu: it's far away from superior, sorry.
Anduck: but hey
mircea_popescu: indeed. far away in the upwards.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: wanna know how to really make it superior?
Anduck: i'll tell you. really.
mircea_popescu: heh.
Anduck: the question will be do you have the possibilities to make it happenj
Anduck: which i guess, no.
Anduck: but if someone did, it would be superior.
Anduck: it's totally doable
Anduck: just that nobody has done it, yet.
mircea_popescu: so do it.
jurov: orders by phone
jurov: lol
Anduck: colored coins.
deadweasel: easy, sms via ec2 amazon services sms abilities
deadweasel: i'm from the south, we don't like colored coins 'round here
Anduck: make a system based on colored coin basis
Anduck: it would be totally awesome
mircea_popescu: Anduck after all the shit about s.dice
Anduck: and if you can, hire a group to make it happen.
mircea_popescu: do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins ?
mircea_popescu: i'd double the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: this is discussed on trilema, read that article when i get it back online.
Anduck: but... i saw porn on there :(
Anduck: well tbh i dont think colored coins would make it worse
mircea_popescu: who are you to think ?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg773413#msg773413
mircea_popescu: oops
Anduck: ok..?
mircea_popescu: wrong paste.
Anduck: yeh i see
smickles: < mircea_popescu> you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
smickles: $help post
mpexbot: smickles: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
smickles: $post bi232
mpexbot: smickles: Temporarily disabled by reques of the romanian
jurov: smickles, this i asked about
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: jurov this isn;tt email tho is it ?!
jurov: no i asked smickles earlier why mpexbot doesn't do whole urls
mircea_popescu: o o
smickles: basically, because mircea_popescu didn't ask for that
mircea_popescu: jurov because a. its much easier to parse and b. because the bot can't be touching random servers
mircea_popescu: as its ip is secret
mircea_popescu: it's not that i didn't ask for it, it's that i asked for non-it.
jurov: ok, we'll see if ppl start running into pastebin limit
mircea_popescu: pro acct is 25 a year
mircea_popescu: le bomb : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1601463#msg1601463
jcpham: http://vimeo.com/61144193#
jcpham: something to get involved in finally
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: i dont think newbs should be doing this
smickles: hmm, 25 pastes per day for an unidentified user, doable
kakobrekla: id rather make a proxy parser
kakobrekla: than pay anything
kakobrekla: there must be some paste something that is not rate limited
jurov: yes, it's reddit
kakobrekla: good
kakobrekla: lets paste the mpex output to reddit
kakobrekla: let em get ddosed
smickles: heh
smickles: how about 4chan
deadweasel: couldn't you start an IRC channel that was invite only, pw protected, and people could trade with your bot in there?
deadweasel: that way you keep the rif raf from being able to poke around
deadweasel: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> lets paste the mpex output to reddit <<< thart was considered, and is still on the list :D
deadweasel: course EC2 doesn't allow IRC servers, not the free ones anyhow
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the idea isn't to keep the "rifraf"
mircea_popescu: this is a very heavy political issue and i won't solve it that way.
kakobrekla: or just push to github
kakobrekla: i hate github
smickles: https://gist.github.com/
mircea_popescu: well... i don't and i think the attack i've seen could actually blow them offline
deadweasel: i can see you with half you face painted blue right now, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol y blue ?
deadweasel: "but they will never take our, MPEX!!!!!!"
deadweasel: braveheart
smickles: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/8/4080160/hackers-steal-over-12000-of-bitcoins-from-bitinstant
ThickAsThieves: also wired
mircea_popescu: haha
ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/03/digital-thieves-pull-off-12000-bitcoin-heist/?cid=co6246174
deadweasel: holy shitsnacks
deadweasel: social engineering is great
deadweasel: teaches people to 'trust, but verify'
smickles: lol, "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my harddrive?"
jcpham: PC Load Letter _ wtf does that mean!?!
smickles: $markov
mpexbot: pizza is what i mean.
smickles: lol
mircea_popescu: capitalize first letter tho
Diablo-D3: wtf
mircea_popescu: also smickles you ever saw seek and destroy, the film ?
Diablo-D3: bitinstant got raped?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 last week
Diablo-D3: heh, didnt hear about that
mircea_popescu: you don't read trilema enouygh, i tore them a new asshole.
Diablo-D3: why did they let that happen
Diablo-D3: its not hard to secure a machine
mircea_popescu: total stupidity.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen that
mircea_popescu: saw a new unknown email in their dns account
mircea_popescu: deleted it and went to bed
mircea_popescu: in the morn herpderp logged into their site as admin
mircea_popescu: had credentials stolen
mircea_popescu: made post about how "security focus"
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, they should have immediately took the site offline
mircea_popescu: im like omgwtfbbq. wut wut wut ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5105 = 1.021 BTC [+]
davout: bitinstant got hacked
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 at the fucking least change dns pws, argue with their dns provider, and leave someone to watch that accoutn
davout: ?
mircea_popescu: davout yes.
mircea_popescu: 1 second ima pastebin
Diablo-D3: why did they even have a password for their dns shit?
mircea_popescu: not properly.
Diablo-D3: they should have been using secure certs
mircea_popescu: site5 bs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [-]
smickles: anyone know how I can get supybot to send the return of my markov command instead of the 'invalid command' error mesage?
smickles: if not, i'm going code diving
mircea_popescu: davout http://pastebin.com/mHYq6g2u
davout: mircea_popescu: your blog fails to load
mircea_popescu: which is why i sent you a paste
davout: which is why I want a refund for your stupid trilema credits
davout: reading
davout: popcorn
mircea_popescu: nuh-uh
smickles: ButtPlox
mircea_popescu: i tell you sir strictly no refunds
mircea_popescu: why you come here bother me i call the police i tell you
smickles: davout: i was able to sell some of mine at a profit
mircea_popescu: ahahaha noway
smickles: put it on the order book
davout: smickles: wow
mircea_popescu: dude im starting to think smickles is that kid
davout: smickles: which order book
mircea_popescu: you know, the kid that you take to the park in the stroller, comes back with 3 strollers and a motorbike
smickles: ;;book "trilema credits"
gribble: Error: No orders for this currency present in database.
smickles: aw, mircea_popescu, you flatter me :)
mircea_popescu: they should elect you president over there
davout: smickles: haha i guess i'm not really used to the over-the-counter exchange
mircea_popescu: davout you know it does more trade than mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: those are the people you need to sell yourself to.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.62 = 16.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.62 = 3.24 BTC [+]
smickles: an easy way to do it is to go to home depot with 5 usd, buy stuff to make a water pipe, construct it and sell it to a pothead for 70 usd
mircea_popescu: lol
davout: mircea_popescu: lol fuck you
mircea_popescu: im not even kidding
mircea_popescu: (if anyone doens't know, davout is the frenchie that sold bitcoin to the banking system. bitcoin-central.net)
smickles: you still use that pic of some guitar guy as you forum avitar?
mircea_popescu: some gypo yeah
mircea_popescu: then he wonders why he's not got da volume.
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 1.63 = 13.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C250T] 87 @ 0.41809214 = 36.374 BTC [+]
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mircea_popescu: smickles that film... you should totally watch it.
mircea_popescu: some kickass quotes in it
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins would make it superior?
smickles: this is going to get wacky
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf
smickles: $markov
mpexbot: but... i saw porn on there :(
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: $markov
smickles: oh, i should open it up to the public
smickles: one sec
smickles: try it now :)
mircea_popescu: $markov
mpexbot: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mircea_popescu: $markov
mpexbot: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins 'round here
smickles: woah
mircea_popescu: should nuke strings that contain his name in <>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000676 = 1.352 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1601667#msg1601667
mircea_popescu: status update.
smickles: the forum is unreachable for me
pizzaman1337: me too
smickles: $markov
mpexbot: who are you talkin' about you troll you
mircea_popescu: eh no fucking way
mircea_popescu: brb paste.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/DVMiCcff
pizzaman1337: just loaded for me
smickles: oh wait. it just had 60 second load times
mircea_popescu: derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.005884 BTC [-]
smickles: mpexbot: markov is
mpexbot: is heading to trilema
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles "Respondes " is not english btw
mircea_popescu: you want responds
deadweasel: your bot's outta control mp!
mircea_popescu: what'd iot do ?
deadweasel: it quoted me@ 16:39:45
deadweasel: it's ok, i'm famous now
mircea_popescu: lol that's a point
mircea_popescu: smickles it shouldn't mention people by name cause of hilighting issue
deadweasel: i shall never die!
deadweasel: blockchain: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150730.msg1601711#msg1601711
mircea_popescu: yeah it's been down for a while.
deadweasel: i've been in aspergers irc channel all day and only 3 people have spoken
deadweasel: not really my place.
mircea_popescu: lol
deadweasel: #aspietalk
deadweasel: fuckin dead in there
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 206 @ 0.18392015 = 37.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 144 @ 0.22 = 31.68 BTC [+]
pigeons: try #bitcoin-otc
deadweasel: yuck
deadweasel: I'm gonna get these apies to talk if it kills me
mircea_popescu: but... why
deadweasel: why not?
mircea_popescu: k
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
smickles: bah, i'll just stop the markov stuffs
smickles: and i spell poorly too often
mircea_popescu: markov may be a fun little side project
mircea_popescu: but it takes a lot of fiddling
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 43.98000 U.S. dollars = 33.8047656 Euros
jurov: ^ finally back to normal concerns
jurov: yup, CoinBr.MPBPT-E sells nicely
jurov: that trust amazes me... jumping now into something that will pay in the end of april.. maybe.
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 224907 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.0008422 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 884 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4768367.08384 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.16901
jurov: CoinBr.iDiff-O March SALE: Now at 0.0580 only!
kakobrekla: http://mpex.coinbr.com/
kakobrekla: dis works?
kakobrekla: jurov?
ThickAsThieves: not for me
jurov: hmmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5105 = 7.147 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mpex servers are up
kakobrekla: so its not that.
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 105784.75 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9308184.03323 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4770622.24721 based on data since last change | 4705708.63176 based on data for last three days
jurov: well, looks like it's hit
jurov: disconnected it, iptables time
mircea_popescu: jurov lolz
mircea_popescu: smickles bring mpexbot post online pls.
jurov: Mar 8 22:31:49 ip-10-48-233-64 kernel: [114573.916044] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !mp
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016618/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016619/
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016621/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016623/
kakobrekla: well there you have it
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016636/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016637/plain/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016640/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016641/plain/
kakobrekla: werks.
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016642/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016643/plain/
kakobrekla: hm?
jborkl_: it is saying unrecognized key
kakobrekla: i can see that
kakobrekla: can someone else try it
jborkl_: my key manager might be using the wrong default key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5299 = 5.299 BTC [+]
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016647/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016648/plain/
mod6: hey nanotube
mod6: what's up with gribble.. needed to re-auth and it gave me this:
mod6: Forbidden
mod6: You don't have permission to access /otps/D655A630A13E8C69 on this server.
mod6: Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
mod6: HALP!
kakobrekla: call nanotube
asa1024: Having a problem, Citizen?
mod6: (15:52) < mod6> hey nanotube
mod6: i can verify that this failure occurs on two sepearte hosts
smickles: < mircea_popescu> smickles bring mpexbot post online pls. << right away capin'
jurov: $hrlp
jurov: $help
mpexbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
smickles: online tested and working
smickles: hmm, how to have help list the 3 commands
smickles: there are depth, vwap, and post
smickles: you can do a 'help <command>' to get specifics
smickles: $help vwap
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap Takes no arguments.) -- Returns all available market data, excepting depth
kakobrekla: hm?
FabianB: $depth
mpexbot: FabianB: http://pastebin.com/4isFGaWt
mod6: ok i was able to use MPEx via dpaste & assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00074998 BTC [+]
FabianB: works nicely
kakobrekla: cool mod6 thanks
mod6: np
mod6: i gotta see if any of the proxies can process PGP messages similar to mpex.co used to -- otherwise I gotta change my perl scripts
FabianB: if they are online, yes, works exactly the same
mod6: that'll be l33t
mod6: cause i can be lazy until i gotta update 'em with the new mpex key
mod6: ;)
jurov: pympex should be spewing out messages with new key by now
jurov: *checks*
jurov: no it's not
jurov: datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 10, 23, 59, 59)
jurov: ^something is wrong here
jurov: i understood the change will be tomorrow... March 10 midnight
mod6: yeah
mod6: same
jurov: looks like it's indeed switched
midnightmagic: ;;calc 45*25
gribble: 1125
jurov: everyone fix ya code to datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 9, 23, 59, 59)
jurov: sigh.
mod6: when it rains, it pours
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.69 = 6.9 BTC [+]
mod6: well, ok gotta run for a bit here... but got lots more to do.
mod6: The good news is that MPEx orders are processing with ye ole assbot
mod6: :)
jurov: actually looks like both keys work now
jurov: so false alarm
mod6: oh thats cool. thanks for checking that out.
mod6: nanotube: when you get back... im still getting a 403 Forbidden when trying to get my OTP from gribble. I'll be back perhaps after midnight CDT if you need help or anything...
jurov: hm, mpex.coinbr.com back online although very slowly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [+]
Bowjob: meow
smickles: ;;depth
gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
smickles: lol
smickles: woops
smickles: $depth
mpexbot: smickles: http://pastebin.com/4AHkvU29
smickles: $post ZNbMDwrk
mpexbot: smickles: http://pastebin.com/uWhRX9Br
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 75 @ 0.02656921 = 1.9927 BTC [-]
Namworld: mpx.coinbr.com no long works?
BitHub: blockchain not working?
pigeons: Namworld: he's using a bitvps
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24899 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: not anymore
kakobrekla: afaik
pigeons: rackspace?
kakobrekla: he got kicked or smth
jurov: no quickly grabber amazon
jurov: *grabbed
jurov: but had to drop mpex.coinbr.com, it's just not manageable
kakobrekla: i have a proxy runing but only for people i death with this one aint leakin
kakobrekla: death = dealth
kakobrekla: but close.
jurov: me similarly
Namworld: Damn, mpex.coinbr.com was my only access
jurov: and messed up the setup a bit, coinbr.com will be available when dns clears out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5299 = 1.0598 BTC [+]
pigeons: really kind of ridiculous to make a story and pretend it means more than absolutely nothing
pigeons: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/03/08/first-bitcoin-hedge-fund-launches-from-malta/
pigeons: http://bitcoinfund.eu/joinus
B0g4r7: http://bitbet.us/bet/261/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-15th/
B0g4r7: ^ Suppose Luke-jr travels to BFL HQ next week and obtains BFL ASICs before the 15th. Will the bet be decided as true? Does it still count as "delivery" if he picks them up?
B0g4r7: I think he's an order-holding customer.
B0g4r7: preorder
pigeons: he's a customer, it says customers
pigeons: plural
pigeons: so 2 people
pigeons: luke and giga
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: the bet for May will exclude luke and giga
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749 = 2.247 BTC [+]
smickles: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
smickles: $post WKARrrYc
mpexbot: smickles: http://pastebin.com/BQPH63iF
kakobrekla: >>Bitcoin is beta, SatoshiDICE is taking advantage of bugs in the software.
kakobrekla: ZOMG
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
Namworld: hmm, I can't decode MPEx's replies
smickles: Namworld: usin mpexbot?
Namworld: using a proxy just like mpex.coinbr.com
smickles: I was just recently able to decode an mpex reply
jurov: just found out amazon s3 allows POSTS
Namworld: It says perhaps i didn't sign the key. But it worked before.
Namworld: jurov: so?
jurov: i'll do mpex proxy there, FUCK YA DDoSers
BitHub: is this done in real time?
Namworld: wow
BitHub: https://twitter.com/MPEx1
nanotube: mod6: kakobrekla fixed now.
kakobrekla: the what?
Namworld: that's neat of you.
Namworld: I'm booting my Bitcoin Armory. Tip incoming.
Namworld: It takes a while to boot tho
jurov: i can mirror mpex to the s3 cdn
jurov: continously
[\\\]: Namworld, get ssd, it loads in <1 minutes
[\\\]: -s
jurov: and it can accept post requests that show as files in s3 storage
[\\\]: lol, ddos amazon!
Namworld: ... 1 minute?
Namworld: It takes me 40 minutes to boot the damn thing
jcpham: http://www.redstate.com/2013/03/06/tech-at-night-sacco-vanzetti-and-aaron-swartz-were-all-guilty-its-time-to-break-up-the-bitcoin-ring/
kakobrekla: lol
[\\\]: you need more ram
[\\\]: and an i7
Namworld: I have hexacore with 8 GB ram... the ressources are hardly being used.
[\\\]: then you're doing something wrong
[\\\]: it shouldn't take that long
Namworld: Armory still takes it's goddamn sweet time to load
[\\\]: have you updated it?
Namworld: It also keeps crashing randomly. And yes, I update it.
Namworld: It just keeps screwing up.
[\\\]: heh
Namworld: months ago, it used to load in 3 minutes
Namworld: now it crashes, doesn't update confirmations while running and take 40 minutes to boot.
Namworld: Reinstalling doesn't help.
[\\\]: bitcoin .8?
Namworld: .8?
Namworld: oh, a new bitcoind is out.
Namworld: I'll upgrade
Namworld: But I've been upgrading bitcoind/armory when new versions come out for quite some time and it never fixed anything.
jurov: this one makes a difference
Namworld: I think it's more of a problem with Armory but eh
Namworld: I'm reloading the blockchain now...
Namworld: Damn, 0.8 is going much faster
Namworld: But .7 wasn't really slow to start with.
mircea_popescu: ahh
mircea_popescu: so mpex.coinbr.com was down earlier and back up now ?
Namworld: no, still not back
pizzaman1337: yeah, 504
Namworld: the DDoS is persistent... It's been what, 2 or 3 days?
nanotube: so, do we now have a complete bot interface to mpex?
Namworld: yes
mircea_popescu: nanotube two.
mircea_popescu: and imsaguy is working on the 3rd
mircea_popescu: the drawbacks of having a dayjob lol. it was his idea to start with
mircea_popescu: Namworld i see it ?
mircea_popescu: hm now its timing out
nanotube: great. :)
Namworld: It was down. I think jurov is currently putting it back up on amazon
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067334 / 0.00073042 / 0.00075 (329638 shares, 240.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074909 / 0.00078628 (11033986 shares, 8,265.55 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (60249830 shares, 41,255.72 BTC)
mircea_popescu: so basically all systems are a go except web
mircea_popescu: this must be pissing the web crowd off
Namworld: Well I could sign orders manually and use the bot
mircea_popescu: 7day OIX :
mircea_popescu: 46.96 (48.56 / 33.66)
mircea_popescu: 27`206.06 (89.3 / 10.7)
Namworld: But that's slow to swiftly switch orders around.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.90000, Best ask: 43.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.09900, Last trade: 43.99900, 24 hour volume: 43158.15323252, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 44.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.43720
Namworld: Good for just placing an order or two.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i suppose you could write an irc bot of your own
Bowjob: why dont we stop selling BTC for USD and jus BTC all together
Bowjob: that way gox prices wont go down, and if we pay with BTC the value doesnt go down
Namworld: That would be assuming I could even program such a thing. I don't have the know-how to.
Bowjob: seems like a win win situation if everyone does that
mircea_popescu: Namworld im sure one will crop up soon enough, much like pympex did
Bowjob: if they sell to USD, its lose-lose. btc value goes down and they get fiat
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: Bowjob don't tell me about it, i aint sellin :)
Namworld: Because merchants being paid in BTC needs to sell them to buy the goods from others in USD...
jurov: and i'm researching users posting orders directly into amazon s3 :)
mircea_popescu: http://blockchain.info/ still dead ?
Bowjob: those merchants that need goods should pay other merchants in btc
Bowjob: and so forth
Namworld: a DDoS resistant MPEx interface.
Bowjob: mhm
mircea_popescu: lol well folks... i hate to be the one feeding the conspiracy theories, but
mircea_popescu: while it's marginally possible some random internet bloke has the power to be doing all this, it seems somewhat unlikely.
mircea_popescu: there is a lot of skill and there are a lot of resources involved with such ample ddosing
jborkl_: i already thought of this, and I know who
Namworld: Anyone with a good botnet could do so, but why?
mircea_popescu: just the traffic i've clocked, and i've not clocked all of it, would have cost on the black market a good few thousand $$$
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 11 @ 0.62997 = 6.9297 BTC [-]
Namworld: Where's the request for money for it to stop?
mircea_popescu: even if im getting half of all ddos bitcoing is getting , that puts the total cost of this adventure in the 10k range
mircea_popescu: not counting the time and effort involved on the admin side
mircea_popescu: Namworld no, not anyone.
mircea_popescu: there's literally not that many people with a botnet good enough
Namworld: Unless it was started by a botnet owner, not purchased off the black market.
mircea_popescu: also there's risks involved (if you run it continuously isps find your zombies)
Namworld: Infected computers don't cost much to operate.
mircea_popescu: ya but ideologically speaking, it'd seem an odd fit to ddos bitcoin
Namworld: Seems it's targeting MPEx only.
Namworld: MPEx has a huge wallet... I would have thought ransom request.
mircea_popescu: some people have thought so/asked, but...
mircea_popescu: nothing so far.
jborkl_: whoo is the biggest dipshit with a grudge? There is your answer
mircea_popescu: and blockchain.info wallet for instance isn't all that fat.
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ i dunno ?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/44886495299/audio-erik-voorhees-on-the-peter-schiff-show
jborkl_: that Has 24hr access to botnets
mircea_popescu: um
smickles: eskimo!
mircea_popescu: lol totally.
mircea_popescu: muggos
smickles: no
smickles: ciuciu
smickles: that guy was off a whole other hinge
Namworld: I don't think any of these individuals have such botnet access.
smickles: prolly not
mircea_popescu: ciuciu couldn't afgford to retire his 50 btc debt are you kidding m,e ?
mircea_popescu: deposits/withdrawals flushed
pigeons: if someone wants to pm me a proxy
BitHub: hey guys check out my ticker bithub.asia hope to be adding some assets prices and gold and silver prices soon :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to process a coupla donations to freenode for me ? you need cc/pp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.52998999 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: how much money are we talking?
mircea_popescu: like 60 gbp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BitHub o wow, marquee.. haven't seen that in a while
dub: you can get a spoof for free just ask in #freenode
mircea_popescu: i want to pay them tho.
BitHub: thanks mircea, hope to have some mpex in there soon and have it in real time
kakobrekla: pigeons did you get it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.569 = 9.104 BTC [+]
jborkl_: Illlsend it Mp, tell me the detdeta
jborkl_: details
Chaang-Noi: blockchain.info down?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi since this morning
jborkl_: goddam. Phone
Chaang-Noi: thanks
mircea_popescu: something/somebody is going after crucial bitcoin infrastructure
Chaang-Noi: im not too shocked, someone just wants lower priced coins
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: mpex is hanging by a thread, mostly because it doesn't actually need a website
mircea_popescu: but website centric services are going to be painful.
Namworld: Someone manipulated the price. Convinced businesses to accept Bitcoin and newswriter to make good articles.
Namworld: Now that he's sold at a hefty price all he got, he's attacking stuff to send it all back down.
mircea_popescu: it won't work.
Namworld: Doesn't seem to be.
BitHub: so
BitHub: government, trolls?
Chaang-Noi: holy shit, is today saterday?
mircea_popescu: yes
Namworld: yes, for you at least
Namworld: almost for me
BitHub: yep saturday lunch time
Chaang-Noi: oh fuck, i thought it was sunday
Chaang-Noi: oh wow
Chaang-Noi: i got messed up on thursday
BitHub: niiiice
BitHub: good break from bitcoin
smickles: Chaang-Noi: what have you been drinking recently?
dub: mircea_popescu: fatter tube holding up?
mircea_popescu: dub so far we're doing irc bot trade.
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: bah
mircea_popescu: $help post
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
BitHub: irc trade is cool
BitHub: i like the idea of twitter trading for mainstreamers for situations like this
Chaang-Noi: on bitfunder can you not see the market if you do not have an account?
BitHub: you can see what each asset is worth
mircea_popescu: yeah
BitHub: and bids and asks on teh asset
mircea_popescu: actually brokers also work fine, the only thing off is the website
dub: Chaang-Noi: https://bitfunder.com/market
Chaang-Noi: thanks dub facepalm for no link to that one the homepage...
dub: its there the site doesnt work in some browsers
dub: I had the same problem
Chaang-Noi: oh
dub: you can still facepalm
Chaang-Noi: asicminer at .7 on both sites, not bad
BitHub: brokers?
mircea_popescu: BitHub yes. jurov, smickles etc
BitHub: ahh so you actually have mpex brokers that can trade outside of mpex?
BitHub: sorry i thought it was something dif
mircea_popescu: what do you mean outside of mpex ?!
BitHub: so i could be a broker for outsiders just by having a membership? :)
pigeons: yawn http://www.pymnts.com/briefing-room/PYMNTS-International/2013/02/How-Owning-Bitcoin-Is-Owning-An-ETF-On-The-Whole-Bitcoin-Space
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: BitHub yup
BitHub: ima have to sign up if i ever see 30btc to spare
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f1d64cbfe5e2c1cd476971545c0677c8865a7770210dd351e8d0d57a
BitHub: have*
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1337 2 Official supplier of freenode chains.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user pizzaman1337 has been recorded.
pizzaman1337: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 MPEx and one otc deal
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
Bowjob: this btc sell off is mildly entertaining
Bowjob: watching coinlab.. bulls vs bears fighting
pigeons: sel off? its higher than last time i looked by a few dollars
pizzaman1337: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 Great experience with Bit4X, highly recommended
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
kakobrekla: thanks :)
pizzaman1337: np, thank you, man
smickles: < mircea_popescu> what do you mean outside of mpex ?! << transfer ownership of mpex assest as people, preferrably with contracts
mircea_popescu: that'd seem to be inside of mpex :p
smickles: just because it's in my mpex account, doesn't mean i necessarily own it. I may hold it for another who then wants to trade with a third who wants me to hold it for them as well
mircea_popescu: hm is kakobrekla catching up ?
smickles: trade happened off mpex
kakobrekla: yeah, better downrate me quick mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: totally.
kakobrekla: ;)
mircea_popescu: smickles well, let's see here.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, if you're a broker, then you enter trades into the exchange at the behest of customers.
kakobrekla: id be at 200 if id been a rating whore
mircea_popescu: if you don't enter the trades you're not a broker, you're a bucket shot.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if you're acting in a private capacity obviously you can do whatever you want with your own assets.
doctor_pullfingr: what's a bucket shot?
mircea_popescu: now, as long as the third party knows this, ie, you're not presenting yourself as a broker when you're not brokering this is all fine
mircea_popescu: ;;google bucket shop
gribble: Bucket shop (stock market) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)>; Bucket shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop>; The Bucket Shop Cafe: <http://www.bucketshopcafe.com/>
smickles: also there is the taboo way to trade off mpex
smickles: or actually
pigeons: ripple ious for mpex assets
kakobrekla: :D
smickles: how about this, register, buy X, sell the gpg key
mircea_popescu: well, it's not taboo, it's just kinda stupid
smickles: or rather, sell X and deliver the key
doctor_pullfingr: has anyone tried open transactions ious? I like that ripple idea but they don't have a server
doctor_pullfingr: I think you only get one key
pigeons: doctor_pullfingr: knotwork runs 2 open-transactions servers. ripple does have a server. do you mean cause they didnt open source the server yet?
smickles: i tried OT, but it took so much to install on my system that i kinda burned out on it
doctor_pullfingr: i don't care if they open source the server or whatever, private licensees is fine, I just want my own server.
smickles: afaik, you get as many keys as you buy
smickles: (well, that's a silly way to put it)
doctor_pullfingr: yes, I meant one key for 30 btc.
pigeons: you can have as many keys as you like but the keys arent "active" without 200 xrp owner reserve + 50 xrp + 50 xrp per trust line
kakobrekla: any practical uses for ripple yet?
pigeons: same as before, private payment networks, plus now the integration with bitstamp and ukto's weexchange
doctor_pullfingr: Oh, I thought you meant sell the mpex key. I got the free ripples so I can sign up people already have, but I still want my own server.
doctor_pullfingr: for arbitrage or something
doctor_pullfingr: maybe one of those fancy ripple gateways
mircea_popescu: is bitstamp the russian one ?
kakobrekla: slovenian
mircea_popescu: with the novacocacoin ?
kakobrekla: that is btc-e
kakobrekla: i think
kakobrekla: bitstamp is retarded, the only reason they have so big market share is cause they dont hassle folks with ids n stuff
doctor_pullfingr: thanks mp for the lesson I'll be changing my nick to bucketshop soon
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: lol
doctor_pullfingr: kakobrekla aren't we discussing the practical use of ripple?
kakobrekla: the practical use of ripple invloves bitstamp which involves retardation
Bowjob: http://www.runtogold.com/images/potential-bitcoin-prices.jpg
Bowjob: This got me a boner
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: lalaland
doctor_pullfingr: I think there is a ripple gateway client in the wild but to make it work with mpex seat you need the to server. I'm floating the idea for comments, I don't know for sure if this will work.
doctor_pullfingr: *ot server
mircea_popescu: you need the what ?
knotwork: There is some kind of ubunto install now for OT, you just tell your system about the repo and use apt-get or somesuch to install it
doctor_pullfingr: mp Open Transactions Server
mircea_popescu: why ?
knotwork: no idea, I dont see how OT helps with mpex really
maximian: can someone pm me an mpex proxy?
doctor_pullfingr: If I want to sell ripple ious where people pay me bullshit fiat and I automatically purchase beloved satoshi dice, then I need something that talks to mpex. I think OT is the closest tool for that,,but some automation is probably lacking.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with pympex ?
mircea_popescu: maximian :
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
mircea_popescu: $help post
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
maximian: I'm lazy… just wanted to replace a string in pympex
mircea_popescu: a kk
mircea_popescu: didn't know if you knew or not
doctor_pullfingr: nothing at all wrong with pympex. I use it happily. Are you
maximian: does pympex now work with this irc bot?
Namworld: Would be nice, but no.
mircea_popescu: nah, it would have to be encapsulated into a supybot
mircea_popescu: kinda trivial but someone has to sit down and do it
doctor_pullfingr: I;lll give it a shot
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr im just thinking, you want to talk to mpex programatically, pympex is like two pages of python
mircea_popescu: there's also a perl script
mircea_popescu: seem the easiest, just use as a lib
maximian: mircea_popescu: what about setting up 100 AWS t1.micro instances (only $23/year if reserved, or $1.91/month), and install the proxy server and bind on each. Then add all 100 instance IPs as A records to mpex.co.
doctor_pullfingr: I'm kinda worried about security on that approach because Im just some warehouse developer.
mircea_popescu: maximian wanna do it ?
maximian: LOL… I have a life :)
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i scarcely see how more code can mean more security, in principle.
mircea_popescu: maximian :p
Bowjob: someone in the us got their Avalon now
Bowjob: take that BFL
mircea_popescu: bfl is so dead...
Bowjob: i wonder how likely it is that by the time my avalon 2 ships, bfl still hasn't shipped?
doctor_pullfingr: I'm not at all against that, just voicing a concern. I had the idea that the developer for the OT server thought more about authentication more than I care to think about it
Bowjob: theres 200 BTC say NO on bitbet
Bowjob: damn
mircea_popescu: yeah
Bowjob: was it you?
Bowjob: or bfl themselves lol
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr yeah, i'm mostly talking outloud on the topic too
knotwork: mpex uses gpg authentication though so why you need OT's auth on top of that?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob who knows
mircea_popescu: knotwork i took it he meant he's concerned as to what to do with the data coming out of pympex
Bowjob: i feel bad for mr 500 BTC on yes
knotwork: though I suppose you could plug in GPG libs instead of OTs currencty crypto libs since it meant to be pluggable
doctor_pullfingr: I don't have enough rich friends where I can convince them to spend 30 BTC per account.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob bitbet is doing some brisk trade this month for sure
knotwork: what is the actual use case? own things in mpex on behalf of people you act as broker for?
doctor_pullfingr: pretty much. yes.
mircea_popescu: prolly jurov can help you there
Namworld: I have passthrough
Namworld: passthroughs*
knotwork: so you want to tamper-proof your own records of what you are holding on behalf of who?
maximian: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016859/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016860/plain/
mircea_popescu: dude this irc bot thing is so cute...
maximian: That's so fucking cool
mircea_popescu: maximian ikr ?!
maximian: it just needs to be integrated into pympex and we're done
knotwork: its suprising people actually use IRC bot. I made entire exchanges between umpteen coin types before and no one ever used it
mircea_popescu: knotwork when i brought mpex back after it's half day pause yest
mircea_popescu: trades kept dinging i dunno if any under 50 btc
mircea_popescu: like maybe 1k in an hour
knotwork: yeah weird, as it even still needs the gpg that people complain about
knotwork: mine was plain IRC bot, just say hello to it give it password, standard insecure crap like normal people seem to prefer
knotwork: held wallet for you based on your IRC nick, one wallet per type of altcoin
knotwork: is it true at all that using Tor .onion site or i2p site these DDOS attacks would not work?
knotwork: I would've though the DDOS might just kind of clog entire Tor or i2p system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.545 = 1.635 BTC [-]
maximian: It looks like you can actually start 100 t1.micro instances in Amazon's Ireland data centre… tempting
maximian: keep it out of the U.S.
pizzaman1337: but Amazon is a US company
maximian: true
maximian: I wonder how that plays out legally
doctor_pullfingr: so, sounds like old school irc server and irc bot/supybot/pympex is all I need
doctor_pullfingr: to hook up mpex to ripple
mircea_popescu: knotwork the tor proposition is a little more complicated
mircea_popescu: there are chokepoints
mircea_popescu: maximian so go for it, you'll have a second life
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i don't see why you'd need an irc server
mircea_popescu: just get a vps, run a supybot on it,
mircea_popescu: to talk to the irc bots, and you're golden
maximian: it'd be $437/month on a spot-price basis
mircea_popescu: alternatively, wait till main mpex.co comes online
mircea_popescu: maximian if you do it i'll cover your first month.
knotwork: does email still work for communicating with mpex?
mircea_popescu: knotwork what do yo umean still ?
knotwork: its how I originally isgned up I think?
knotwork: tho hmm maybe I did use web for status command
mircea_popescu: a yeah, t osign up. you gotta send me your public key
mircea_popescu: but mx down atm. send me a pastie
knotwork: oh but thats it, email doesnt work for whole panoply of commands?
mircea_popescu: knotwork it never did. i said at some point day before yest that if the worst comes to worst im taking mpex to email
mircea_popescu: as a sort of bottom.
Namworld: Someone would have to be strongly dedicated for that to happen tho
Namworld: Anyway, I'm off to sleep. Night
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137534.1360
Bowjob: These are some delicious pictures
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: so avalon hashing
Bowjob: 68 gigahash
Bowjob: printing over $300 equivalent
Bowjob: per day
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: not bad
Bowjob: Also,
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.0
Bowjob: Looks like BFL might downgrade their specs
maximian: $depth
mpexbot: maximian: http://pastebin.com/ESBV6WRm
mircea_popescu: bfl wil lgo down in history.
jcpham: who wants me to tell them how paranoid i am
jcpham: it's an interesting story about two events
mircea_popescu: go ahead
jcpham: i received two phone calls this evening within 10 minutes on different phones
jcpham: unintelligellible speech
jcpham: one by voicemail
jcpham: one i spoke to
jcpham: i think it was information gathering
pizzaman1337: https://blockchain.info/ is back
jcpham: i'm downloading the voicemail recording to study the waveform
mircea_popescu: jcpham what information would be gathered ?
jcpham: i'm not sure... my voice, my location
jcpham: considering how often my phone rings
Ukto: Bowjob: so that was another batch 1 shipment that got delivered today? 0,o
Ukto: seems a bit behind
Bowjob: behind against?
Bowjob: its not like all the people who got them are posting
Bowjob: this chinese dude didnt tell the forums until he had problems
mircea_popescu: well, they did take forever]
mircea_popescu: originally it was going to be shipped in january
mircea_popescu: but still. deliveries are deliveries.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 31 seconds
Ukto: ahh, i saw the package picture and thought it just arrived
jcpham: gavin emailed some pools
jcpham: suggested increasing block limit
mircea_popescu: paste ?
jcpham: or reminded them of where the config settings for this are located
jcpham: bitcoinfoundation blog
jcpham: prolly wanna follow that one
jcpham: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=135
mircea_popescu: lol at this guy
mircea_popescu: he's not recommending anything but here's some guesswork.
mircea_popescu: gavin should working in the bitcoin diplomatic corps
mircea_popescu: with nanotube
jcpham: it's better than nothing
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm for it.
jcpham: i like how he does fear, uncertainty, and doubt as three separate bitcointalk forum links
mircea_popescu: i had closed it before that
jcpham: awwwwww
mircea_popescu: i skim.
nanotube: >_>
jcpham: nanotube how goes the diplomatic corps
jcpham: the kids are totally abusing gribble
nanotube: :)
jborkl: ! Mp http://pastebin.com/FZPJL3V6
jborkl: !mp http://pastebin.com/FZPJL3V6
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
mircea_popescu: jborkl the mpexbot uses pastebin
mircea_popescu: you got them mingled
mircea_popescu: $post FZPJL3V6
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/VEWf0P3T
jborkl: Ok, I almost have it worked out, to take mpex on your phone
jborkl: Trade
mircea_popescu: kickass
mircea_popescu: mod6 you hear that ? they're stealing your pie man!
jborkl: Two steps, working out the kinks
nanotube: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
nanotube: mmm :)
mircea_popescu: nanotube $help post
nanotube: $help post
mpexbot: nanotube: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
nanotube: nice :)
nanotube: maybe consider making a separate channel with some help in topic.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: tho... to what benefit ?
nanotube: to make the different bots and their commands more discoverable...
mircea_popescu: bots also rtake pms
mircea_popescu: yeah the topic might use some reworking. things very fluid still.
nanotube: k. looking good :)
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main mpex should be online soon and maybe maximian brings online a suite of tinies ?
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016902/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016904/plain/
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016906/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016907/plain/
mircea_popescu: jborkl which mpex key are you using?
jborkl: F3e1
jborkl: I got it off the key server,since I am doing this on my phone
mircea_popescu: it's only the 9th
mircea_popescu: F1B69921 not expired yet
jborkl: Ok, thanks. The phone will trade easily with the bot
jborkl: Only a couple steps, and they could be combined
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
jborkl: It opens the potential, so people don't have to use python or be proficient with gpg
mircea_popescu: yup
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016911/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016913/plain/
mircea_popescu: Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system. They had to re-learn basic skills — reading, writing and math — first before they could begin college courses.
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: jborkl i wonder what the trouble is there.
Rick__: Hi,why MPEx still cant be used?
Rick__: And I withdrawed 423bitcoin yesterday,and didnt receive yet
jborkl: ¡
Bowjob: shit
Bowjob: i forgot how to read
Bowjob: how the fuck do you forget how to read
Rick__: any MPEx staff here?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ sup rick
mircea_popescu: looky here :
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
Rick__: MPEx,I still cant open the website
mircea_popescu: yes, but you can use these bots to trade with.
mircea_popescu: $help post
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: you put your command into either pastebin or dpaste
mircea_popescu: then you give the bot the id of it
mircea_popescu: and it gives you back a link to the response
mircea_popescu: i've flushed deposits/withdrawals a number of times since yesterday,
Rick__: so complicated for me~~~~~~
mircea_popescu: if you didn't get yours processed tghere was a problem with it (such as it being larger than the amt available, for instance)
Rick__: so when can I receive my withdraw?
Rick__: it's 423
jborkl: Mp, I am just tired. But I have it worked out to trade from the phone easily
mircea_popescu: Rick__ if you've not received it yet there was a problem with it
mircea_popescu: do a STAT to make sure what you can withdraw the do a withdrawal.
mircea_popescu: jborkl very cool
mircea_popescu: Rick__ do you understand ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.74 = 13.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.749 = 1.498 BTC [+]
Rick__: o shit,you are right,I put a number big then I have
Rick__: my mistake
mircea_popescu: np.
Rick__: and about the bots,I can only use them here?
mircea_popescu: issue a fixed order, i'm arround so it will be processed fast.
mircea_popescu: Rick__ yes, at the moment.
mircea_popescu: we are working to bring much more power online, but it may take a little longer.
Rick__: and when will the MPEx be back/
mircea_popescu: as soon as possible. you can read a status update on the forum
Rick__: link
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1598165#msg1598165
mircea_popescu: here and read down it's the whole story.
Rick__: thank you
mircea_popescu: also people like jborkl_ are working to bring trade interface to phones
Rick__: and how can I give a withdraw command here/
mircea_popescu: i'll walk you through it.
mircea_popescu: first make the clearsigned and encrypted text for it as normal
mircea_popescu: then put it in pastebin.com
Rick__: okay,wait
mircea_popescu: np
Rick__: about trade interface to phones,that's very very useful,I want know more later
Rick__: pastebin.com is a website?I cant open it
mircea_popescu: yes http://pastebin.com/
mircea_popescu: you can not open that ?
Rick__: cant dame Chinese net
Rick__: Let me try another way
mircea_popescu: ok alternative :
mircea_popescu: dpaste.com
mircea_popescu: can you see that ?
Rick__: yes,this one works
Rick__: and put my text in this one?
mircea_popescu: yes
Rick__: and what's Syntax
mircea_popescu: then say !mp url
Rick__: title name and email
mircea_popescu: nono
mircea_popescu: you put the gpg result.
mircea_popescu: first you make your order
mircea_popescu: then gpg --clearsign
Rick__: yes, just the code,leave other things along?
mircea_popescu: yes they dnot matter
mircea_popescu: dont*
Rick__: Okay,done
Rick__: can you see my order?
mircea_popescu: you've not ordered it to the bot
mircea_popescu: say !mp your paste url
mircea_popescu: Rick__ what's the url to the paste you made ?
Rick__: sorry
Rick__: first which is the url you are talking about,i dont understand
mircea_popescu: something like
Rick__: "url" define it please
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1016940/
Rick__: yes,mine is http://dpaste.com/1016930/
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/1016930/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1016944/plain/
mircea_popescu: there's your response from mpex.
Rick__: Okay,cool
Rick__: now understand a bit
Rick__: sorry,I dont know much about computer
mircea_popescu: flushed.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 9 seconds
Rick__: Okay,I gott go,and waiting for MPEx back
mircea_popescu: later!
BitHub: is the mpex api data working atm?
the-bucket-shop: checking
BitHub: thank you
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/KcmBKFe0
mircea_popescu: seems so
BitHub: ahh sweet thank you sir
mod6: hey guys
mod6: thanks nanotube!
BitHub: i guess i have to wait for website to come back to get a website version of the api?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: answer kinda included in the questions innit :D
jcpham: i have another super awesome blog-a-ma-post
jcpham: coming soon!
jcpham: about how me and this dude are video collaborating using mega.co.nz
mircea_popescu: cool
jcpham: me and my friend nick were bitching about how we don't have dropbox accounts
jcpham: that hold hundreds of gbs
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ 220 to 52 against
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ 100 to 13 for
mircea_popescu: dude avalon is wiping the floor with bfl
jcpham: i should've ordered
jcpham: they were quick to deliver on fpga
jcpham: nzghang or whatever his name is
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy whi discovered the chips bfl used in fpga ?
jcpham: probably most likely
jcpham: seems like he reverse engineered it
jcpham: or identified it using all knowlege available
dub: he scraped the plastic off
jcpham: http://imgur.com/6Xe1Gw9
jcpham: maybe he watched the history channel
mircea_popescu: lol
midnightmagic: ngzhang is the one who reverse-engineered the identities of the fpga in bfl singles.
midnightmagic: ngzhang reconnected a trace that had been destroyed which prevented the chip from identifying itself normally.
midnightmagic: he is also the most ethical businessperson, next to magicaltux, I have ever seen operating in the ethics-challenged bitcoinland.
midnightmagic: present company excepted from such a comparison of course.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://goldprice.org/axstone/uploaded_images/gold_pull-723168.jpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: have you seen that before ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic what's some highlights of magicaltux ethicalness ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Paying out-of-pocket for all hacks/malfunctions, giving out free yubikeys to help secure accounts, sponsoring events, fighting legal battles to help keep bitcoin legal, maintaining privacy of accounts (excepting the coinlab thing,) participating in infrastructure rollout, keeping permanent historical account trade records..
mircea_popescu: i do recall the absorbing of the failed polish exchange
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: he also strongly fights against illegal activities and thefts that use his systems for laundry activities.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no. trades were rolled back during their hack
midnightmagic: he lost 2000 btc from that, and paid out-of-pocket.
midnightmagic: so.. yes.
mircea_popescu: keyword being all.
mircea_popescu: they were out about 180mn dollars on that trade
Ukto: "avalon is wiping the floor with bfl" and "asicminer is wiping the floor with avalon"
midnightmagic: I'm failing to see how doing an exchange rollback as a result of unauthorized account activity is itself unethical.
mircea_popescu: Ukto how much do they have online yet ?
midnightmagic: ;-)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i didn't say it's ethical.
Ukto: over 9000
mircea_popescu: paying out of pocked for all hacks/malfunctions means they honor every single order at 1 cent a bitcoin that was ever made.
Ukto: well, over 10th
mircea_popescu: Ukto so like 150 nominal avalons ?
midnightmagic: not in the context of ethical outline
mircea_popescu: okay.
Ukto: more I am sure
mircea_popescu: Ukto they were 60gh each, by spec iirc
Ukto: therebouts
Ukto: except AMs turnup time is far faster
Ukto: I can only say so much
Ukto: :)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the sticky issues in my mind is whether the hacked account at that time was mtgox selftrading on customer credit, and whether the email leak at that time is something they failed to prevent
Ukto: kinda sad since i bought avalons and rooting for them
Ukto: but i know the reality of things hehe
mircea_popescu: well, so they come out to about even as best i can see.
mircea_popescu: both had product in january-ish
mircea_popescu: bought bring online something like 10-20th by march.
Ukto: wiwthin the next 2~6 days
Ukto: that wont be true
mircea_popescu: okay
Ukto: although if I get my avalons in the next week, i will be stoked :P
Ukto: but I doubt it
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: There is no evidence that is the case, nor is there any evidence from our perspective that MtGox themselves did anything less than they could have to prevent the account leaks. From what we know, it was either two hacks, one of them being a readout from a financial analyst who had privileged access, and the other being completely unknown, or one hack, being the financial analyst.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's a fact that customers had been reporting passwords being broken into which tux/gox blamed on customers, for weeks prior.
mircea_popescu: and the guy with the emails db claimed that it was mtgox poor practices (course... he's the thief)
midnightmagic: And we have no evidence that that is not the case. Also, many of those who complained publically disappeared and did not pursue the matter when confronted.
mircea_popescu: this is also true
mircea_popescu: in fact, afaik none did pursue the matter when confronted
midnightmagic: One of them did, but only on the forum, and did not seem at all concerned about losing $50k worth of bc.
midnightmagic: (that I'm aware of)
mircea_popescu: anyways. just taking the opportunity to compare notes.
midnightmagic: Point is, MtGox has been exceedingly ethical, especially when contrasted with real-world banks and other financial institutions.
mircea_popescu: Ukto re avalons, some deliveries have been popping up in the us
midnightmagic: Most of the inconsistencies we can see are just as likely to be MT's lack of perfect knowledge of what's going on, which of course I know of no people who are perfectly aware of their own systems.
midnightmagic: Yeah, Avalons are being delivered in California already
Ukto: yeah, but those are batch 1
Ukto: right?
midnightmagic: Correct.
Ukto: batch 2 shipping eta was mar 5 ~ april 5
midnightmagic: Batch #2, as far as I'm aware, hasn't even fully been order-filled.
Bowjob: Oh man.. BFL victims caught a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome
mircea_popescu: Ukto batch 1 was like 200 units iirc. that's a total 12th or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: this was supposedly ready on january.
Ukto: bach 1 was 300
mircea_popescu: asicminer, also ready in january, also 12 th, has slowly been bringing units online to about what, 5-7th now
Bowjob: well mp, their deadline was actually feb 28
Ukto: http://launch.avalon-asics.com/
Ukto: yes, as I said
Bowjob: the jan 20 was a "bonus"
Ukto: I know alot about AM that I cant discuss. :)
Ukto: just be ready to be surprised.
Bowjob: that never materialized
Ukto: technically all of batch 1 was supposed to be shipped by march 1st
mircea_popescu: Bowjob ya well, keeping accurate accounting of all the weird communication people pour into the market out of noobishness and whatever other reasons is difficult.
Bowjob: yeah, they were 10 days late
midnightmagic: No, not all of it. Only a few dozen units.
mircea_popescu: let's just go with a very barebone summary i say
midnightmagic: And in China, a few users did in fact receive their units.
Bowjob: yifu said feb 28.. then he moved it to possible jan 20 deliver
Bowjob: he did deliver 2 on jan, but got shut down by the chinese
Bowjob: then resumed on march up to march 10,
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's very fortunate and convenient that 1. asics are delivered by two companies with roughly equal output
midnightmagic: Some users did get their units outside of jgarzik and the btc foundation.
mircea_popescu: and 2. that these are producing each less than about half the network
Bowjob: yeah there was this chinese dude that didnt tell the forums
mircea_popescu: safest scenario possible, it really surprised me.
Bowjob: until he got problems
mircea_popescu: Bowjob there were some who did report privately. i knew of a few.
Bowjob: mhm
mircea_popescu: people are in the end allowed to keep their privacy.
Bowjob: so avalon did deliver, they are late for the rest though, since their deadline was by march 1st
Bowjob: theres this one dude at the forums offering $10000 for an avalon
Bowjob: hes lowballing
Bowjob: if bfl fails to deliver, batch 2 avalon will ship
BitHub: primeasic?
Bowjob: no, its just some random dude at the forums
mircea_popescu: 10k is lowballing ?!
Bowjob: offering to buy an avalon for $10000
mircea_popescu: they retailed for like 1300 neh ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10/13
gribble: 0.769230769231
Bowjob: lemme find the thread
mircea_popescu: this is a little more than what asicminer increased. so... he's about in the market atm.
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140519.0
Bowjob: is he?
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: i wou;dn't pay 10k for one.
Chaang-Noi: i would odds are pay $10k for a working alalon that was right here right now.
Chaang-Noi: could make it back in 15 days
Chaang-Noi: at current rates, and bfl wont get there in that time...
Bowjob: when will bfl realistically ship?..
mircea_popescu: i would pay 1300 dollars within 60 days for a delivered and guaranteed asic.
Chaang-Noi: 1.5 months is soonest i think
mircea_popescu: that's about it.
mircea_popescu: computer equipment is computer equpiment.
mircea_popescu: what i do with it is nobody's business, what the heck is this.
Bowjob: i mean, 200 BTC.. thats says no on bitbet
Bowjob: wtf is that
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't pay 10k for a computer just because i can make 10k on a computer in 15 days
BitHub: i'm intrested in that film stuff you were saying the other day mircea
BitHub: where you doing a commercial for mpex?
mircea_popescu: me ? no /
mircea_popescu: what film you mean ?
Chaang-Noi: not paying something for $10k when you could odds are get $50k from it in 3 months?
BitHub: you were going to film a renactment or osmething
BitHub: but canceled
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi nope. i pay by costs not by what seller judges "i might make"
Chaang-Noi: im all about 500%
mircea_popescu: that's none of his busioness.
Chaang-Noi: well, it was a buyer giving an offer
BitHub: do you like films?
Bowjob: mhm, i find it good news that the asics that were shipped took a week only
mircea_popescu: BitHub o, the gumpys. i never cancelled, the other party vanished.
Bowjob: considering its from china
Chaang-Noi: i doubt anyone would really sell one for only 10k
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is so bubbly i swear.
Chaang-Noi: yeah
Bowjob: cant wait to get my hands on it. it even comes with gloves
Bowjob: lol
Chaang-Noi: i bet asicminer shares are going to bubble soon
Chaang-Noi: !ticker
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
Chaang-Noi: lol
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
Bowjob: damn chang, touching assbot
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.40666, Best ask: 44.49000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08334, Last trade: 44.94000, 24 hour volume: 40002.15598561, 24 hour low: 42.41100, 24 hour high: 44.94000, 24 hour vwap: 43.69874
mircea_popescu: well, they got as high as the girl's low band.
mircea_popescu: maybe they get as high as her high
Bowjob: oh.. well as for the asic
Bowjob: thats considering you convert it to fiat
BitHub: ASICMINER
Chaang-Noi: mp i would see 1.5 really
Bowjob: which is very difficult for me to do
Bowjob: lol
BitHub: in all its glory
Chaang-Noi: cou7ld*
Bowjob: I wonder what people were thinking when they bought Avalon 1
Chaang-Noi: i almost bought one
Bowjob: josh said theyd deliver faster, and bfl were superior tech wise
Bowjob: .. then whats the point of avalon then
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi possibly.
Bowjob: heck, yifu said avalon wont deliver first
Bowjob: .. did someone see through josh's lie?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob i think midnightmagic bought some, you can ask him
Bowjob: yeah midnight, if you're from batch 1
Bowjob: $44.50
Bowjob: lol
midnightmagic: Bowjob: What was I thinking for batch #1?
Bowjob: Yeah.. coz, back then BFL said they would deliver sooner
Bowjob: and they had better specs
Bowjob: so.. why would anyone buy from Avalon?
Bowjob: and yifu announced after bfl announced
midnightmagic: Diversity of hardware in the event of asic doomsday, ethics of ngzhang, BFL's past history of late delivery, and I've been mining since Dec '10.
midnightmagic: Heck, I was about to order one from cablepair before he went insane.
Bowjob: damn
Bowjob: mhm.. the whole thing was a minefild
Bowjob: field
Bowjob: 2 scames 1 legit
midnightmagic: I'm fairly sure that electricity won't be the lower bound of price for some time. The first time was market reaction to the bubble crash, and lots of doofuses predicting the death of bitcoin.
midnightmagic: and yet it.. never.. quite.. dipped below electricity costs.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i'd guess electricity will never be the bound. fixed costs amortisation will always be larger from now on
mircea_popescu: take a while for a 60gh asic to cost 1.x k usd in electricity.
Bowjob: heck, if this becomes profitable for me I'll rent a warehouse
mircea_popescu: by then probably better units need to be bought. and so...
midnightmagic: well growth is fairly significant right now
Bowjob: and avalon users will get credit for a trade in, yeah?
mircea_popescu: the thing is before a large portion of mining cost was hidden (as "free" expertise)
midnightmagic: Bowjob: The amusing part is, people who do that simply can't compete with the long tail of people doing for "free" in their hobby time and getting the cheap tier of residential electrical costs. :)
mircea_popescu: since now all that is being paid for, people get a much better idea of their actual costs.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Avalon customers are getting credit for Icarus trade-in and .. the other one. Lancelot.
Bowjob: yeah
Bowjob: in the future
Bowjob: Trade in Avalon 1 for something else
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There is no indication that will happen.
midnightmagic: FPGA have a use outside of bitcoin.
midnightmagic: Avalon 1? Not so much.
Bowjob: oh well.. decades from now, it will be a collector's item
Bowjob: heh
midnightmagic: "This thing made a whole bunch of money and then suddenly became completely useless!"
Bowjob: "It produced 7 BTC in its heyday"
Bowjob: Damn
Bowjob: 7 BTC/Day
Bowjob: lol
midnightmagic: "What is it?" "Don't know, every time we plug it in it keeps trying to connect to a weird IP address and port.."
midnightmagic: I'll tell you one thing. I am *SO* looking forward to the near-future day when I can shut all my g-d miners right the hell off.
Bowjob: are you moving to LTC?
Bowjob: wait nvm
midnightmagic: I mean my GPU and FPGA. I've been itching to do some FPGA development for some time now.
midnightmagic: I don't even bother RMA'ing my GPU anymore. Total waste of time.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: the first gpu miner...
mircea_popescu: o boy. what a bomb
midnightmagic: ArtForz was pretty badass..
Bowjob: Is it viable to live off of BTC
Bowjob: just by mining?
Bowjob: It seems a crazy idea to me.. that might just work
Bowjob: >_>
Chaang-Noi: i was told he has 60,000 btc locked in his offline never spend coins
Chaang-Noi: ;;calc 60000x44.5
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
midnightmagic: He reported having 60,000 bitcoind not in his never-spend, but in his "don't sell right now" 20% holdback from mining profits.
midnightmagic: He mined, and sold 80%, and kept 20%.
midnightmagic: ;;calc 60000*45
gribble: 2700000
midnightmagic: That was before he mined for another bunch of months and then started selling his designs to unknown third parties.
midnightmagic: mrb_ came in one time and started talking about something he'd heard existed: a preimage-like attack on the hashing algo which allowed a 2x speedup algorithmically, to any miner implementing it.
midnightmagic: it would be pretty awesome if that were real.
mircea_popescu: how would it be awesome
midnightmagic: it would be awesome because FPGA would kill asic then.
mircea_popescu: fpga needs a lot more than 2x to stay competitive.
midnightmagic: nah it doesn't. ;-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00549999 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.0055 = 3.575 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: .9 go asicminer :)
mircea_popescu: !ticker btctc asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65923 / 0.9 (449 shares, 296 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC)
BitHub: .9 hey
mircea_popescu: still low volume.
BitHub: i might cash out
BitHub: at 1
Chaang-Noi: i expect this weeks or next weeks dividend to be awesome, and thus make more demand
BitHub: whens teh next one due?
zefir: Goat, people seem to expect ASICMINER to continue paying 2 cents dividends per week for a year, which is a bit of too much confidence imho
Chaang-Noi: zefir i think they can hold on average 10% of the network for 2 years
zefir: if they could, 0.9 is fair. still speculative
Chaang-Noi: and honestly bfl is 1.5 months away at best i think, if we get to 12 th and then 60 th, we will be killing it:)
BitHub: crazy to pay those prices for asicminer
mircea_popescu: zefir well, finance is speculative.
mircea_popescu: bfl is never delivering anything.
zefir: not right, my BFLS are the most stable mining devices i had so far
Chaang-Noi: if bfl did fail on the chips it would be awesome for asicminer, we would have 50% not 10% of the network
mircea_popescu: zefir http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: just going by that
BitHub: is there going to be a new primeasic thing?
BitHub: i need to buy one hey
zefir: expect there to be more competitors than BFL in July
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi about one third asicminer, one third avalon, one third old network + others
mircea_popescu: is the best reasonable expectation.
mircea_popescu: zefir for sure.
mircea_popescu: the actual asic producer has not yet been born i would guess.
BitHub: i'm ready to buy now
BitHub: can i buy anything?
Chaang-Noi: even if bfl does ship, first batch is only 25 th right? avalon is less?
mircea_popescu: avalon has about 10-20th being delivered atm and making another what, 20-50
zefir: 0.9 is tempting for a quick buck i must say. but if bitcoin as a whole takes of (like is currently doing) long term, holding some asicminer could be your retirement ;)
mircea_popescu: asicminer has a 10ish being delivered and making another 20-50
mircea_popescu: they're really very equal.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 0.9 = 18.9 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah zefir, i bought back much of what i sold around .5 to .6
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.975 = 19.5 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: lol
mircea_popescu: lol what a strategy
zefir: Goat, you're in the board again?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1 = 25 BTC [+]
zefir: this is insane!
Chaang-Noi: zefir saldy im still short
BitHub: wow
zefir: i have the remaining shares for you. 1BTC each ;)
BitHub: anyone want to buy 50 for 2btc?
Chaang-Noi: zefir that was my shares that just got sold at 1 btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.0057 = 2.85 BTC [+]
zefir: ;) congrats!
Chaang-Noi: thanks
Chaang-Noi: i think we could go higher, but i can part with 25 :)
BitHub: let me know when it gets to 1.5 or 2 - i'm out then.
zefir: Goat, how much coins do i need in hand to retire in Thailand?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.21735385 = 217.3539 BTC [-]
Bowjob: we're about to ram $45 per coin
BitHub: 1000bat
Chaang-Noi: zefir i have a wife and a kid, very nice house, and everything, i live very well here on $15,000 a year
BitHub: nice
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19526866 = 195.2687 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: if you did $30k a year you would really live it up
Bowjob: $15,000.. thats what I earned 2 years ago as a cashier
Bowjob: in 6 months btw
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: k, 7 actually
Chaang-Noi: pay is lower here
zefir: ok, so like 10k coins and i'm done. that is 1.5BTC per ASICMINER and you see me there ;)
Chaang-Noi: average wage here is $200 a month
BitHub: nice zefir
Bowjob: so around 4 bitcoins then
BitHub: i might do the same and go to phils
Bowjob: 200 bucks a month
mircea_popescu: i've done it already. retirement is boring as shit.
Bowjob: thats what i spend on a nice meal in vancouver
Chaang-Noi: costs are lower here
BitHub: whatever mircea lul
Bowjob: woudlnt it be grand if i make money here
mircea_popescu: srsly.
zefir: this is too easy, there must be some hook in there
Chaang-Noi: my 3 bed room house with garden and all that is only $160 a month rent
Bowjob: then spend it in some 3rd world country
Bowjob: lol
BitHub: ya
Bowjob: why dont u just buy it
BitHub: that's what i would do if i was bored
BitHub: help others
mircea_popescu: i am.
Chaang-Noi: zefir hook?
BitHub: then you cant get that bored
BitHub: :)
mircea_popescu: well atm im not bored, all with mpex and shit.
mircea_popescu: but a few years ago it was major yawn time.
BitHub: you just dont know how to have fun with your money
toffoo: how did you retire the first time?
zefir: Goat, it can't be that easy. but well, my problem is my wife will not follow to Thailand, so i'm out for now :(
BitHub: you can get about 10 wives in thailand
BitHub: her lost
Chaang-Noi: ahh zefir i got a thai wife, thats the smart way to do it:)
zefir: maybe, but not the one wife you get used to ;)
BitHub: doesn't that get boring?
BitHub: like watching the same movie over and over and over again every day?
zefir: you mean the only one wife?
Chaang-Noi: bithub is right, you can have more than one here, in thai they even have words for ranking them
BitHub: chaaang i'm thinking
BitHub: if i send you some btc
zefir: no, can't complain. it is a give and take - she also has to watch the same tv show
BitHub: can you jsut buy thai women for me and put them all in a house?
mircea_popescu: toffoo what do you mean how ?
BitHub: i want a stable
toffoo: well i imagine you'll retire a second time from mpex someday soon,
BitHub: highly unethical
BitHub: hehe
Chaang-Noi: in thailand you can only rent thai women, however you can buy women from outher countries
mircea_popescu: zefir BitHub i guess there's about 20 years keeping you apart.
toffoo: just curious how you did it the first time .. before bitcoin
zefir: i'm 40
mircea_popescu: toffoo i don't think it'll be too soon.
BitHub: how old are you mate? :)
mircea_popescu: toffoo i sold everythign and went to costa rica, basically.
toffoo: but went back?
BitHub: heh i heard that's the best place to setup a company
toffoo: too boring there?
BitHub: is that why you went to costa?
mircea_popescu: well eventually you have enough of playing poker with aging american expats
BitHub: tax breaks
mircea_popescu: the rum was good, the aguacate nice, the mango fantastic an so on
mircea_popescu: but after a while retirement becomes unbearable.
toffoo: missing the good life back in romania?
BitHub: because you cant cash out a million dollars worth of btc?
mircea_popescu: toffoo hehe, romania of the 90s was... exciting.
BitHub: i don't get it mircea
mircea_popescu: BitHub what's that ?
BitHub: how you can be bored
BitHub: i'm bored but i'm poor
mircea_popescu: cause how bored you are depends on what you're doing not on how rich you are.
mircea_popescu: heck, i know plenty of bored rich people.
BitHub: its all about the numbers baby
BitHub: if you're rich and bored you don't deserve to have money
mircea_popescu: what'd you do ?
mircea_popescu: there's only so much flan a person can eat, to quote one of the recent billionaires.
BitHub: stayed poor
BitHub: haha
BitHub: flange
BitHub: hmm what would i do
BitHub: well first step i would look at all the people in my life, family and really close friends and solve all their money problems
BitHub: that's fun
mircea_popescu: that's stupid.
mircea_popescu: within a coupla years they'll have worse money problems.
BitHub: but i solved them
mircea_popescu: there's a reason they have them now, and that reason ain't the aliens.
BitHub: nah they wont they
mircea_popescu: you can't solve people's problems for them.
BitHub: 'll be sweet
BitHub: that's true, good thing i've got no friends so i would just help my family
mircea_popescu: mkay, so that's murky. what else ?
BitHub: i'm pretty sure i would be dead within a month, i would just go to psycho with the money
BitHub: driving pass people throwing wads of cash at them
mircea_popescu: ya well, that's the thing. takes a lot of brains to be rich and bored in the end.
mircea_popescu: most dumbasses that win the lottery end up dead / in jail / poor again
BitHub: i guess its boring when you're not just burning through it without caring
BitHub: that's when its really fun
mircea_popescu: no, that's when it's really obvious how empty/pointless/mindless you really are.
BitHub: not really, sometimes just dont care
BitHub: um what else, probably hire 100 social media trolls and have them in a office and just kick back and watch them troll certain celebs or public figures
BitHub: actually mircea i would just be making movies
BitHub: full time
BitHub: that would be really fun to me
mircea_popescu: that may work yea
mircea_popescu: but it is not retirement.
BitHub: ahh okey hmm retirement lets see, all you can do is just travel the world hey getting into adventures, meeting random girls
BitHub: definitly got to check out alot more countries in my time :)
mircea_popescu: yeah, tghat may be fun
mircea_popescu: but after a while it gets utterly boring.
BitHub: how old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
Bowjob: mentlegen, we hit $45 once again
Bowjob: now where is that troll who said btc top was $24 dollars
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.29000, Best ask: 45.46212, Bid-ask spread: 0.17212, Last trade: 45.46212, 24 hour volume: 42365.65870584, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.84294
BitHub: nice i want to see 50 after weekend tho
mircea_popescu: funny, calls sold earlier lol
Bowjob: i just a fucking house in vancouver
Bowjob: geez
Bowjob: i thought that was the whole point of life in vancouver. be the landowner master race
Bowjob: so that you can charge rent on the basement, get the basement to pay for the mortgage
Bowjob: then watch hockey
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: thats the canadian dream
mircea_popescu: heh
Bowjob: or vancouver dream.
Bowjob: everyone here is crazy about houses
Bowjob: my uncle owns 3, he gets about 8k a month on his houses
Bowjob: for rent
Bowjob: i didnt tell him about bitcoins.. hes too rich already
Bowjob: heh
Anduck: you should
Anduck: (make him buy like, 200k usd worth of btc?"
Anduck: xD
Bowjob: lol
Anduck: then slowwly sell it back and make negative profit
Bowjob: nah, hes a batshit religious person.. conservative
Bowjob: he wont touch btc anyway
Anduck: ok
Bowjob: i feel bad for his kid
Anduck: well
Bowjob: his kid is like 18 now, cant go out
Anduck: what does that have to do with bitcoin?
Anduck: if he's religious batshit person
Anduck: he might still like btc xD
Anduck: batshit is a nice term, +1
Bowjob: i doubt it lol
Anduck: hmm
Anduck: well tell his kid about it
Anduck: and shake his hed
Bowjob: when we arrived in canada
Anduck: head*
Bowjob: .. he gave us free rent
Bowjob: .. but..
Bowjob: when we told him, we're not converting to your religion
Bowjob: he started charging us rent
Bowjob: lol
Anduck: =)
Anduck: whatta douche
Bowjob: im like. lol
Anduck: you know what
Anduck: i would've laugh at him
Anduck: :D
Bowjob: its not really him tho
Bowjob: its his wife
Bowjob: thats the boss
Anduck: whats his religion btc
Anduck: btw*
Anduck: ?
Bowjob: protestant or something
Anduck: wut
Bowjob: thinks everyone will go to hell
Bowjob: protestant.. its like a branch of christianity
Bowjob: kinda like how catholic is bitcoin, then a protestant would be a fork of it
Bowjob: lol
Anduck: good it wasnt this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
Anduck: yeah
Bowjob: nah. hes not that batshit
Anduck: :D
Anduck: in finland there's 2 places where they recruit for that thing
Anduck: so, me and my friend once went there
Bowjob: theres one in vancouver too
Bowjob: not going in there. lol
Anduck: made some kind of test
Anduck: then they wanted us to be in separate rooms
Anduck: so they could turn ur individually to the scientology
Anduck: well, we ain't stupid so.. xD
Bowjob: they killed this chick
Anduck: didnt take much time to see they're scientologists
Bowjob: i forgot her name
Bowjob: lisa or something..
Bowjob: in 1996
Bowjob: lisa mcpherson
Bowjob: there we go
Anduck: why
Bowjob: starved her to death
Anduck: ok
Anduck: hmm
Bowjob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lisa_McPherson
Bowjob: okay, 1995. im off
Anduck: btw, we went to that scientology recruiment place cuz we were handed a note in the city
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ehh what's this, ian bakewell default ?
Bowjob: Mhm.. he disappeared
mircea_popescu: ouch
Bowjob: Damn, and to think I thought I was gonna send him some BTC
Bowjob: I cleared a land mine. heh
Bowjob: He said he should have no problem paying unless BTC hits $40/BTC
mircea_popescu: lol ok.
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50 Short 40,000 S.DICE @ .0062 Cover date: May 17 2013 | Before 12Noon MST"
Bowjob: According to Ian's signature
Bowjob: he's gonna have a bad time
Bowjob: "I should have no problem repaying this as long as BTC stays bellow $41.66 ... if it goes above we would need to work something out for a bit more time to repay."
Bowjob: Tsk tsk tsk
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.86278, Best ask: 45.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03722, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 45521.41888267, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.90000, 24 hour vwap: 43.97923
Bowjob: I lent some $100 worth of BTC back in january for 3 weeks
Bowjob: that was some agonizing days
Bowjob: I didn't know if the guy was a scammer or not
Bowjob: .. i am not willing to put myself through that again
Bowjob: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90144085 = 901.4409 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh.
Bowjob: lending out to someone with btc is similar to gambling imo
Bowjob: just put it thru dice, at least its faster
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: with dice it's provably fair.
Bowjob: I told an acquiantance about BTC when they were 17 dollars, they were on the fence about it. They wanted to buy at 28 dollars, but got scared when the price dropped to $20
Bowjob: now that its $45.. they want to buy again
Bowjob: but never follow through
mircea_popescu: how it works.
Bowjob: I told him hey, I think BTC will go up. I've put a bit of fiat in it to show my conviction
Bowjob: if BTC goes up, they say.. it's a fucking bubble! if BTC goes down.. "It's dying/fad/crash"
Bowjob: hilarious
mircea_popescu: yup
Bowjob: I told him I'll sell him $100 worth for 2 BTC. They wanted 5. They could have gotten 5+ from me back in Jan
mircea_popescu: it recovered nicely after the correction 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: indeed a bear trap
Bowjob: I'm looking forward to the day that that guy still hasn't bought a coin where BTC reaches $1000
Bowjob: I'll be like, yeah I'll sell you $500 worth for 0.5 BTC, just remember it could go down, ect
Bowjob: gonna be fun.
mircea_popescu: haha that's a plan.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90009169 = 900.0917 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell namworld https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87358.60
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Bowjob: it sucked for me canadianbitcoins sold at $55 dollars when BTC dropped to $33
Bowjob: pretty smart move
Bowjob: I would have dumped more fiat into it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 0.89918038 = 337.1926 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m 750
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m O.BTCUSD.P750
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m P750t
assbot: Your actions are useless.
mircea_popescu: :(
mircea_popescu: !ticker m O.BTCUSD.P750T
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
mircea_popescu: lol this put
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 46
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 46.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.50000, Best ask: 46.53000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 46.53000, 24 hour volume: 47202.58375913, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.53000, 24 hour vwap: 44.11301
Chaang-Noi: well shit
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 49.1
gribble: There are currently 26201.882 bitcoins offered at or under 49.1 USD, worth 1266194.78506 USD in total. | Data vintage: 36.3364 seconds
Bowjob: chang
Bowjob: check the price real time at coinlab
Bowjob: its entertaining
Bowjob: lol
Chaang-Noi: interesting, auto refreshes?
Chaang-Noi: guess so damn
Bowjob: yah
Bowjob: you watching?
Bowjob: 46.80
Bowjob: im okay with this
Chaang-Noi: i guess we are going to keep on trucking up
Bowjob: imo just drive the price up and dont sell
Bowjob: use BTC for transactions
Bowjob: .. that ends up being win win
Bowjob: as opposed to lose lose
Bowjob: where the seller gets fiat and the BTC value goes down
Bowjob: we're about to break 47
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.64600, Best ask: 46.74600, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 46.64600, 24 hour volume: 48033.54388684, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.16232
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 47
gribble: There are currently 1303.7427 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 61254.5594943 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
Bowjob: mhm, i see lots of resistance before 50
Bowjob: i see little fiat
Bowjob: we need moe support
Bowjob: sell off
Bowjob: hah
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.22 = 2.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's the weekend
Chaang-Noi: yeah $45 is still pretty epic
Bowjob: "still"?
Bowjob: Id stay breaking $32 barrier was epic!
Anduck: btw..
Anduck: it's funny mp has rated gigavps -10 and pirateat40 -1
Anduck: so huh, whats worse, running a ponzi or pt to ponzi?
Bowjob: and the dump continues
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.27000, Best ask: 45.28000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 45.26000, 24 hour volume: 49103.52015343, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.22567
mircea_popescu: Anduck i rated pirate before his scam went bust
mircea_popescu: and then didn't want to update the rating out of vanity
mircea_popescu: i like being the first one with the neg.
Anduck: k
Bowjob: coinlab should update their logo with the recent correction
MJR_: I read it
kakobrekla: maybe mircea_popescu has some updates
mircea_popescu: hi all.
MJR_: Hey
kakobrekla: 21:28.00 ( MJR_ ) Mp still having trouble?
kakobrekla: 21:28.10 ( kakobrekla ) half way, see topic
kakobrekla: 21:28.27 .•• mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: MJR_ trade is atm going on through the irc bots.
MJR_: Cool
mircea_popescu: this is actually fully functional, if a little inconvenient still
MJR_: Noticed S.DICE rebounded a little bit
mircea_popescu: until someone makes a pympex equivalent
mircea_popescu: yeah
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu:
kakobrekla: 21:22.48 ( kakobrekla ) "Only Satoshi the Bitcoin Cyber-Christ is going to save us." -Max Keiser
MJR_: Was wondering about an mpex.onion
kakobrekla: 21:22.48 ( kakobrekla ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_t39jCXXIrY
MJR_: I think that guy is on meth before every show
Ukto: MJR_: PM
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i am having a few set up.
MJR_: Cool
mircea_popescu: the thing is,
mircea_popescu: tor network may not be solid enough to cope
MJR_: Yeah I was worried about that
Namworld: How do I encrypt with MPEx's public key?
MJR_: I am trying out a new irc client
mircea_popescu: Namworld gpg --encrypt --armor -r F1B69921
Namworld: Ah, thanks. I keep forgetting how to write the command.
Namworld: I can't seem to find a good website that lists commands and common operations
kakobrekla: make one
pigeons: man2htm
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: totally.
jborkl_: !Ticker mpex s.dice
kakobrekla: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00067638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
mircea_popescu: caps not allowed on irc
mircea_popescu: anyway, the evolution of s.dice is beyond funny,
MJR_: Yes
Anduck: mircea_popescu: porn not allowed on blog
mircea_popescu: 1. price collapse pre dividends ; 2. short rebound post dividends ; further rebound while mpex is beinh ddosed
mircea_popescu: if this is not contrary to what you'd expect i dunno what is
MJR_: 🐤
mircea_popescu: Anduck who told you that ?!
Anduck: it's the will of internet gods
mircea_popescu: im with the internet goddesses, sorry.
MJR_: Lol, I thought we were the Internet gods
Anduck: LOL guys been trolled again
Anduck: srs, no. you cant hang out with them.
Anduck: dunno bout' dem goddesses
mircea_popescu: it shows.
MJR_: mircea_popescu: Can you see the symbol between the quotes? "⚡"
mircea_popescu: yea
MJR_: Cool
mircea_popescu: why ?
MJR_: Was not sure if other symbols would be able to be seen
MJR_: I suppose it depends on the client
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017561/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017563/plain/
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150818.0 ahaha dude the forum's so funny
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/605WGNKB
dub: .9 for AM eh
mircea_popescu: dub girl said .75 to 1.5
mircea_popescu: am dully follows.
dub: hmm, could be my new truck
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell vampirebb the mpex inbound address will be linked to most mpex withdrawals. a user can withdraw to an arbitrary address of his choice.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017564/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017566/plain/
mircea_popescu: jborkl you're doing something wrong because people have been trading ok on this system
jborkl: I am on my phone trying to get android to work
mircea_popescu: are you cleanly doing your encoding ? is your key correct ? (siometimes gpg defaults to wrong key, use a ! at the end of your keyid to force)
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150818.0 lol these people.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1604192#msg1604192 friedcat speaks
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: is the mpex FAQ somewhere available in a pastie or can it be included in an mpex client?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ 1 sec
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/6HuinLvf
mircea_popescu: if you wish to include a local copy in a bundle you distribute, such as a client or anything
mircea_popescu: i want you to commit that all new versions will include a faq current at the time of their release.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only condition.
MJR_: It should be complete as well
FabianB_: ok, in case i release my client to the public i'll include it in all releases; in case i don't maintain it anymore i'll make a release with FAQ removed with just a link to then current mpex site
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ if you don't maintain it anymore you're not in breach.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is to not ship client august 11th with faq from june 3rd
MJR_: If you neglect to keep the smoky dragon award
FabianB_: ok, that won't be a problem then
mircea_popescu: you can do all languages available or pick one
mircea_popescu: but be a sport and don't pick "some".
FabianB_: heh, yeah, just thought of the english one
mircea_popescu: works.
FabianB_: dunno if i like to include chinese and persian as long as the clients documentation itself is just english
MJR_: Hmmm I think I am going to enter the WOT today
mircea_popescu: sure, just one language is ok
mircea_popescu: If we get the 60TH/s online (conservative) in late April, and the hashrate of the full network from that time is 200TH/s which linearly increases to 1,000TH/s in late December. (200+1000)/2 = 600. So we will have 10% in average of the full network from late April to late December. That translates to about 88,000 Bitcoins total mined. That is 0.22BTC/share of gross income in eight months.
mircea_popescu: so where's the "you get your money back in 8 months therefore asicminer is worth like .15" talk ?
thestringpuller: lol
MJR_: What do you think it's worth?
mircea_popescu: worth ? about .05 - .1
benkay: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: that has no bearing however, idiots are in full mania mode, so,
mircea_popescu: you'll be able to sell up to 10x-100x that
jborkl: !mp help
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
mircea_popescu: !help mp
assbot: List of commands:
jborkl: Thanks assbot
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
MJR_: yeah, I think understanding net present value may be beyond some members of the bitcoin community
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
mircea_popescu: such as !ticker m C600T
mircea_popescu: MJR_ what makes me very glad & happy is this :
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90043 / 1 (167 shares, 150.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the fact that the bitcoindiots are reduced to < 1k btc disposable income is indeed good news.
mircea_popescu: one year ago this would have been two degrees of magnitude larger if not more.
jborkl: Mircea, are the orders formatted the same in!mp
mircea_popescu: jborkl the same aswhat ?
benkay: !mp
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
jborkl: BUY|S.DICE...
mircea_popescu: yup
jborkl: Ok thanks
mircea_popescu: you makr you order, you sign it, then you encrypt it, then you paste that
mircea_popescu: then you feed the bots
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ?
kakobrekla: !ticker m O.BTCUSD.C610N
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m C610N
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
kakobrekla: hm
mircea_popescu: ghe doesn't find that one cause it hasn't traded
mircea_popescu: but since p750n is sufficient identification
mircea_popescu: why doesn't he find it ?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m P750T
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m O.BTCUSD.P750T
kakobrekla: the key is O.BTCUSD.C610N
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
kakobrekla: in the depth
mircea_popescu: basically, it should take the provided string, see how many of the available mpsics regex-match it
mircea_popescu: if 1 then report on that. if 0 or >1 then say sorry.
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking about this, would it be possible to have a !depth
mircea_popescu: which reports say 6 or 8 items either side from midmarket ?
mircea_popescu: like : !depth blabla
mircea_popescu: 10x.5 100x.4 13x.22 .21 x 19 .20x150
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: with a | down te middle.
MJR_: !ticker
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
MJR_: $sdice
jborkl: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017589/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017591/plain/
jborkl: Dammit
mircea_popescu: jborkl
mircea_popescu: mind doing one pass not off the phone ?
mircea_popescu: to make sure your process works ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise if you're trying to implement somethingthat doesn't work you'll kill yourself
kakobrekla: it works
mircea_popescu: a ok nm then
MJR_: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
MJR_: is gribble here?
jborkl: Let me try it off normal desktop
kakobrekla: !ticker m P750T
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
kakobrekla: if($ticker[0] == "P" || $ticker[0] == "C" ){
kakobrekla: $ticker = "O.BTCUSD.".$ticker;
kakobrekla: }
kakobrekla: :p
MJR_: !ticker s.dice
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
kakobrekla: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
MJR_: aha
kakobrekla: apparently being bitcoin pr is the new hype thing
deadweasel: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: got hit with "the bitcoin catalog", "the bitcoin documentary" and "bitcoin pr buzz" in like one day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.47999, Best ask: 46.54400, Bid-ask spread: 0.06401, Last trade: 46.54400, 24 hour volume: 44070.26922702, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 45.27764
MJR_: also the bitcoin hedge fund
deadweasel: ;;bc,24hprc
MJR_: in Malta
gribble: 45.12
MJR_: Yay for the OIX
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00568 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yeah but that doesnt have much in common with being a bitcoin PR
kakobrekla: http://thebitcoincatalog.com/
kakobrekla: http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/
MJR_: Public relations?
kakobrekla: http://bitcointhedocumentary.org/wordpress/
mircea_popescu: heh
MJR_: you know http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/ is actually pretty reasonably priced
MJR_: 4.5 bitcoins?
MJR_: at most
mircea_popescu: Our services involve writing a professional Press Release for you and submitting it to anywhere from over 1000 to 30 000 + USA based media organisations
mircea_popescu: that doesn't mean anything to me.
Bowjob: ianbakewell is still not here
Bowjob: this is looking more like a 600 BTC heist
Bowjob: and 30,000 dice share heist
MJR_: yeah, they aren't doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves
MJR_: but they are using their time to do those stupid tasks
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i dunno what the use is tho
mircea_popescu: basically... more spam
MJR_: maybe. SEO
mircea_popescu: heh.
MJR_: Attract new customers
mircea_popescu: Bowjob sucks.
kakobrekla: Bowjob urlpls?
MJR_: mostly have your article reposted with a Forbes.com or CNN.com domain attached
MJR_: ok guys I am switching to my real name
kakobrekla: lol
Josh_Rossi: this is weird
Josh_Rossi: my first name is reall Maximo
kakobrekla: Bowjob link?
Bowjob: umm
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63614
Bowjob: Hasn't been online since the 4th
Bowjob: he was due for march 8th for his first payment
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness, isn't he working in like shipping ?
mircea_popescu: or oil or something ?
mircea_popescu: like, away for weeks ?
Bowjob: mhm, not sure
Bowjob: if he works in oil..
Bowjob: there should be some internet at least
mircea_popescu: depends.
pigeons: heh, not on the rigs
Bowjob: he works in alberta,.. yah its like 34 dollars per hour there
Bowjob: mcdonalds people make $14 per hour
Bowjob: but rent there is very exp
Bowjob: ill stay in vancouver lol
Bowjob: also, again he's late in his first payment thats defaulting right there
Josh_Rossi: good luck :)
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50"
Bowjob: Says on his profile
Josh_Rossi: yep
Bowjob: bad move imo
Bowjob: you do not short BTC
Bowjob: lol
Josh_Rossi: $6000 down or so?
mircea_popescu: le ouch
Bowjob: yah
Bowjob: oh and thats just principal
Josh_Rossi: he is up on his sdice though
Bowjob: theres interest too
Bowjob: dude his dice short isnt much to cover for it
Josh_Rossi: yeah
Josh_Rossi: just saying
FabianB_: if anyone is interested in an MPEx client that supports its IRC bots: https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex
FabianB_: still a little rough, but works for me
Bowjob: around march 22 we should see something interesting
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140472.msg1589556#msg1589556
mircea_popescu: seems cablepair was well known scammer ?! is this factual ?
Bowjob: thats where coinlab starts playing
mircea_popescu: Bowjob where he shiorted at ? 60 ?
Bowjob: 0.62
Josh_Rossi: do you calculate based on last or on bid?
mircea_popescu: o wow FabianB_ !
mircea_popescu: ppl please test his bot.
Josh_Rossi: cuz at one point it was at 35
mircea_popescu: well, if he closed at 35 then he's golden
Josh_Rossi: yes
FabianB_: didn't try it on non-unix systems yet, hope it works there too though
mircea_popescu: if not, he's up
mircea_popescu: like 3-4 btc
Josh_Rossi: !calc 40,000 * .0012
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 40,000 * .0012
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 40000 * .0012
gribble: 48.0
mircea_popescu: course mkt depth shows lowest ask at 58.8
Josh_Rossi: up 48 btc if its at .005
mircea_popescu: that'd be 3.2 not 12
Josh_Rossi: oh nice
Josh_Rossi: for me that is
mircea_popescu: and cause of slippage buying 40k takes avg price more to like 59.5
Josh_Rossi: ooh, when does he have to settle his position?
Bowjob: may 1st
Bowjob: i think
mircea_popescu: that may be painful.
mircea_popescu: with asicminer blowing over...
Bowjob: May 17 2013.
Bowjob: there
Bowjob: I weep for Basic victims
Bowjob: but I laugh at BFL victims.. I seem to be irrational
Bowjob: >_>
Bowjob: Stockholm syndrome is hilarious
Josh_Rossi: hehehe
Josh_Rossi: who lent him the shares to short?
Bowjob: it was tradefortress for 7k, and some random dude at 30k
kakobrekla: and TF runs a 'fund'
kakobrekla: prolly shares from there?
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.0
mircea_popescu: it does look sad.
Bowjob: i just skimmed thru it, asic miner, popped?
mircea_popescu: financials don't look too good
mircea_popescu: and they blew their ipo
Bowjob: oh i see
Bowjob: im watching max keiser.. show. he seems like a nutjob over btc
Bowjob: i mean i want btc to go as much as the next person, but he seems shady
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: he mentioned before, but now he met everwhores
kakobrekla: and he is hyped
mircea_popescu: ahahahaaaa
mircea_popescu: omfg that is totally it.
Bowjob: is he for real lol
kakobrekla: for srs
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151182.0
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: i dunno. max seems like a used car salesman
Bowjob: and a snake oil peddler
kakobrekla: hes fucked up on btc
Josh_Rossi: yes
Josh_Rossi: I said earlier that he sounds like he's on meth
smickles: bitcoin jesus? i'll just go back in my hole
Josh_Rossi: also, he loves btc, but I don't think he knows a lot about them
mircea_popescu: smickles how many geebuses have we had so far?
smickles: I really don't keep track
Bowjob: i tell my friends every now and then about bitcoin.. but i dont say i'll be rich over it
smickles: once, at a beer pong table, I was called jesus. I forgave them.
mircea_popescu: you do look kinda jesusy
smickles: 'specially with my hair down
mjr_: lol my whole office asks me every day
mjr_: so where are they at today?
kakobrekla: hehe
mjr_: a coworker wanted to short them
Bowjob: ouch
Bowjob: how much are asicminer shares now
mjr_: so at first he told me that we should just say that i would owe him a dollar for every dollar it goes down and he would owe me a dollar for every dollar it goes up
kakobrekla: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90177 / 1 (166 shares, 149.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mjr_: lol
Bowjob: 0.6 per share???
mjr_: I was too nice and told him I didn't want him writing naked calls
kakobrekla: 0.6 was the low
Bowjob: so almost 1 btc [er share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
Bowjob: isnt that kinda too high
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: 0.9 avg
mjr_: like I know my risk it's $45
mjr_: you could be on the hook for millions
mircea_popescu: mjr_ why not just use the mpex options i don't get it ?!
mjr_: he doesn't have any bitcoins
mjr_: and I already use the mpex options
mjr_: this month
mjr_: that was before it had hit 32 I think but I don't remember
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so if he doesn't have btc, why are we talking to huim lol
mjr_: OIX :)
mjr_: like I said he's my coworker
mircea_popescu: o you two work together ?
mjr_: yep
mircea_popescu: o nm nm
mircea_popescu: i was thinking we're still discussing bakewell
mircea_popescu: my bad
mjr_: nah all good
mjr_: ok so I registered
mjr_: now I want to set up the pgp signature
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=180days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
Namworld: the heck
mircea_popescu: Namworld Bowjob they had a db issue
Namworld: BTC was worth 45 USD all that time, just no one knew about it...
mircea_popescu: lost some data it seems
Namworld: I prefer my explanation
mircea_popescu: lolk
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017659/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017661/plain/
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ paste an address
mircea_popescu: this is getting painful to watch
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017669/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017670/plain/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: quite a nice recovery
Bowjob: on dice
mircea_popescu: i like how this channel jumped to like 130 users lately.
kakobrekla: moar spam
kakobrekla: well accually is not bad.
kakobrekla: seen it worse
benkay: what's in the !mp output - a dump of the current order book?
kakobrekla: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
benkay: "returns the response from MPEX order" - means that i can place orders via dpaste (given encryption etc)?
kakobrekla: ya
mircea_popescu: benkay exactly.
benkay: thank you.
mircea_popescu: if you want a dump of the book do
mircea_popescu: $mdepth
mircea_popescu: if you want a dump of the vwap do
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/F8TXg0DP
mircea_popescu: wtf, i got them mixed ?
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: $help mdepth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "mdepth".
mircea_popescu: hm
kakobrekla: its w/o m
mircea_popescu: o ty
mircea_popescu: $depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/k55tiUtd
mircea_popescu: and if you want details of individual symbols in easier format here, benkay
mircea_popescu: you do
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3738644 shares, 23,038.26 BTC)
mjr_: ;;gpg eregister JoshRossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
gribble: Request successful for user JoshRossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mjr_: nice
mjr_: so now I'm part of the web of trust?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mjr_
mircea_popescu: not for me :D
mjr_: lol
mjr_: I meant ability to be trusted not trusted yet
mircea_popescu: ;;ident joshrossi
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info joshrossi
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: npe.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info JoshRossi
gribble: No such user registered.
mjr_: ;;eauth JoshRossi
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
mjr_: ok...
mircea_popescu: you need to handle the opt first.
mircea_popescu: i guess
mircea_popescu: btw FabianB_ do you read chinese ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not really, just speak very little
mircea_popescu: a ok
Bowjob: so is ian bakewell a scam or not
mircea_popescu: Bowjob give it a week or two.
kakobrekla: ;;eightball ian
gribble: It is possible.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;cookie gribble
gribble: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: hehe
Bowjob: the bot
Bowjob: lol
jMyles: So - I'm not sure if I'm being too forward by asking this - is there a way to invest in asicminer?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: chinese traders asking you and the faq translater where mpex went?
jMyles: (and to see what kind of activity is happening?)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ no, just wanted to see about how sucky the chiense version is
mircea_popescu: jMyles you're never too forward by asking.
mircea_popescu: there's a btct passthrough and a bitfunder passthrough.
mircea_popescu: their contractual basis is maybe shaky, do your dd
mircea_popescu: to see activity,
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.69 / 0.90312 / 1 (165 shares, 149 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
jMyles: mircea_popescu: but it looks like the passthroughs have only paid two dividends?
mircea_popescu: ukto has yet STILL NOT ADDED BF
mircea_popescu: jMyles i really haven't been keeping tabs so i dunno
Ukto: me add what?
Ukto: to the bot?
mircea_popescu: your feed! yes!
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/MSEOcWe.png
Ukto: i have websocket
Bowjob: we've been oddly stable for a while now
Ukto: assbot doesnt support it
Bowjob: the bids look weak however
mircea_popescu: Bowjob looks like mpoe lol
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: Ukto can't you just make a json somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: at least !ticker will work then
mjr_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2c057cc8dff074ee13a20df82b057767f81844e56105610c250b4618
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
Bowjob: this is calm before the storm. come monday theres gonna be a shitstorm
mircea_popescu: ya but prolly on the upside.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: yeah, but its being changed due to request
Ukto: and its low priority
Ukto: whereas websocket is ready
Ukto: besides
Ukto: i am debating not doing get/post anymore
Ukto: and leaving it purely to websocket
Ukto: to keep load off the server
mircea_popescu: we're going to end up with a third party interpreter here ?
Ukto: get/post is so archaic
Ukto: websockets are far far superior. lets get with the times :)
mircea_popescu: whatever way you do it, it pisses me off when i can't ticker.
mod6: getting there!
mod6: (15:00) < BitOTTer755> $vwap
mjr_: ident JoshRossi
mircea_popescu: lol cool mod6
mjr_: ;;ident JoshRossi
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: also! mod6 : look at FabianB_ commit
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/fawuxi
mjr_: ident mjr_
mircea_popescu: might have stuff there you need for your own botcode
mjr_: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
gabridome: !help
assbot: List of commands:
FabianB_: it's still pretty ugly and needs refactoring, but it's there and it works
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, his is Ruby but might come in handy...
mircea_popescu: o wow, ruby ?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ aren;'t you concerned by the numerous breaches lately ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not at all, all those braches are Rails related
mircea_popescu: ah, this is not ror just ruby ?
FabianB_: jup
FabianB_: never liked ror
FabianB_: ror is not ruby
mircea_popescu: kk
benkay: never liked ruby
benkay: ;
benkay: ;)
FabianB_: and of course a commandline client doesn't need any web stuff
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ the concern is that some unwittign user may be running a web server on his home computer w/o knowing
mircea_popescu: this is common for windows users for instance
mircea_popescu: then he could end up raped unexpectedly.
mjr_: rape is rarely expected
mircea_popescu: exactly :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not through my code, only if my code (or a library i use) is itself insecure or if that user is integrating it into his lame ror
mircea_popescu: kay.
benkay: i would expect at least one rorbro to do something like that
mircea_popescu: benkay at least it's been publicly mentioned, it's known about etc.
mjrIII: ok now i can try to get this WOT thing working
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: actually it started as a more featureful alternative to pympex for me; used it for a while
mircea_popescu: cool
FabianB_: i just added the IRC stuff today
aethero: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
aethero: what's the latest on mpex?
Namworld: DDoS
Josh_Rossi: ;;gpg eregister Josh_Rossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mircea_popescu: aethero https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1605252#msg1605252 is a good point to staert
aethero: Expected ETA for the site itself?
aethero: Going strictly onion?
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: aethero there are bots trading here. there will be an onion up, but im not sure tor can take the load.
mircea_popescu: there is a 10gb dedicated connection with muchly beefed up setups coming online asap.
aethero: ever going on clearweb again
mircea_popescu: there have been problems with supplying the hardware and so forth. I think next week is a safe estimate
Josh_Rossi: nice...arista?
mircea_popescu: nope.
Josh_Rossi: we got one arista 10gb
Josh_Rossi: and i also got to play with a force10
mircea_popescu: aethero anyway, proving that mpex can work w/o website is an important point here.
mircea_popescu: i want that to sink in well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 720 @ 0.18196843 = 131.0173 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi
gribble: Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=Josh_Rossi
Josh_Rossi: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=mircea_popescu
Josh_Rossi: well looks like i got it working
Josh_Rossi: but i would like to add an address to it
FabianB_: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate mircea_popescu +3
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
Josh_Rossi: ah ok
mjr_: ;;eauth Josh_Rossi
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
Josh_Rossi: ;;getinfo Josh_Rossi
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
Josh_Rossi: .authenticate
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f37b219dbeef705e0d0715acbc922c60d94b6b639c29a17c94779ac
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 He's a noob.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7752 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
mod6: ok this is getting a bit better... (16:21) <@mod6> http://pastebin.com/C1dT6RrM
mod6: (16:21) < BitOTTer569> PasteBin Key: C1dT6RrM
mircea_popescu: haha is that your little ircbot ?
mod6: yeah. the old Net::IRC is like uber deprecated
mircea_popescu: supy ?
mircea_popescu: or no cause you were doing perl neh ?
mod6: just changing these scripts to be able to connect to IRC and issue a command, get a response, parse it, then grab the URL or Key parsed, grab the raw data from the paste, and then display.
mircea_popescu: ya but what bot is it ? bitch ?
mod6: haha, i rolled my own
Josh_Rossi: nice mod6
mircea_popescu: o all the wya ?!
mircea_popescu: wow. well done.
Josh_Rossi: I am trying to set this up now
mod6: well, with this lib: POE::Component::IRC
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;eauth
mod6: so that has all of the commands and some subroutines to help with connect and sessions, etc.
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mircea_popescu: someone should totally make a lispbot implementation.
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, ima keep working on it for the next few days. hopefully get it to a spot that's pretty functional.
mod6: ahh lisp
mod6: even seen scheme?
mircea_popescu: mod6 isn't it funny that as you make progress mpex also adds shit ?
mircea_popescu: yea
mod6: yeah its good though
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: hehe
mod6: ima keep going here. thx guys.
Josh_Rossi: awesome
Josh_Rossi: this is starting to work
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00547927 / 0.006225 (500573 shares, 2,742.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616216 / 0.0069 (3735257 shares, 23,017.26 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5949999 = 1.19 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: got the mirc script to work
mircea_popescu: wd
BitHub: whats the price for asicminer today fokes?
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
BitHub: thanks mircea
mircea_popescu: !ticker m p750t
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
mircea_popescu: aaa kickass
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer-pt
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asic
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicmin
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
MJR_: hi
BitHub: selling my asicminer shares for 1.8 each
BitHub: i'm out
MJR_: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jcpham: What is asicminer paying per dividend
mircea_popescu: like 0.019 last one iirc
Josh_Rossi: hmmm this is weird
Josh_Rossi: if you look my other nick
Josh_Rossi: mjr_
Josh_Rossi: you can see i have identified as Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi gribble doens't go by nickserv accounts
mircea_popescu: it just looks at the user.
Josh_Rossi: ah ok
Josh_Rossi: so it has to see Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: yes.
Josh_Rossi: in order to identify me?
mircea_popescu: no
Josh_Rossi: aha
mircea_popescu: if you identify as Josh_Rossi from any account
jcpham: Facepalmdeskfloor
mircea_popescu: it will keep track of that name you identified from.
mircea_popescu: so mjr can identify as Josh_Rossi and for gribble mjr will be Josh_Rossi for as long as mjr doesn't part.
Josh_Rossi: ok
Josh_Rossi: going to be hard to get an ident script working with my phone
Bowjob: ;;eightball ian
gribble: Obviously.
Bowjob: hes a scammer
Bowjob: eight ball says so lol
Josh_Rossi: lol
Josh_Rossi: so basically how it works is that NickServe and gribble BOTH maintain separate identity for a given user
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi exactly.
Josh_Rossi: hmmm
Bowjob: ;;eightball is Ian Bakewell a scammer?
gribble: _I_ don't know.
Bowjob: Mhm
Bowjob: We will test eightball's honesty
Bowjob: ;;eightball Did I play with myself lastnight?
gribble: Naturally.
Bowjob: Fuck. He's legit
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mjr_: well that didn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.18345453 = 183.4545 BTC [+]
BitOTTer983: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer983: http://pastebin.com/dS1nAB1R
BitOTTer983: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dS1nAB1R
mjr_: how am i supposed to decrypt my OTP from my phone...i mean i could write a program that does it, but it is tough
mircea_popescu: mjr_ mod6 is working on stuff like that.
mod6: yeah, i'm re-building all scripts to interact with the bots.
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/#webpg-link
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017761/plain/
mod6: and mainly what i can make work in this one is gonna go into the end thingy, whatever it becomes
mjr_: hmmm but i thought he was doing it for android
mircea_popescu: android is a phone neh ?
mjr_: oh yes, of course
mod6: lol, doing it for that too, but now that's gonna be all f'd up
mjr_: i just meant i have an iphone
jborkl_: Ok, I finally figured it out- key managers are conflicting
mod6: thanks again guys, just needed to make sure that i could ping mpexbot and get the respone and all
mjr_: this is funny though...to me at least
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ not much surprise there.
jborkl_: No, it is not- they are a pain in the ass
mjr_: ok my iphone is at least jailbroken so let's see if we can get gpg :)
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017771/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017772/plain/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 316 @ 0.18372792 = 58.058 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 38.36519878 / 50.18328999 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 16,402.55 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 50 again huh
mjr_: yep, i think that is so far the best leading indicator i've seen
mjr_: so, i have gpg on my iphone now
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017775/
assbot: Processing.
error4733: TAKE MY MONEY
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017776/plain/
mjr_: but i really don't want to go back and forth between a terminal window with a touchscreen and colloquy
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;eauth Josh_Rossi
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mod6: ok sorry guys, but after 10 mins the pastebin expires, gotta re-conn and get a fresh one
mod6: im now getting back the raw vwap, just need to make sure that I'm parsing correctly as before...
BitOTTer315: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer315: http://pastebin.com/ZTNPuLZJ
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074892 / 0.00078628 (10680545 shares, 7,998.94 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (58685013 shares, 40,184.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing to be sorry about lol
mircea_popescu: in other news, the #bitcoin-assets log for this current month (9 days!) is over 1mb
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017790/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017791/plain/
mod6: mircea_popescu: i just feel bad for the conn/dis-conns
mod6: but check it out ;)
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1017793/
mod6: she works
mircea_popescu: a cool
mod6: ok one more quick test, i'll check a different MPSIC
BitOTTer509: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer509: http://pastebin.com/PXDfa3ar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mod6: ok works pretty decent, a good rough start: http://dpaste.com/1017798/
mircea_popescu: i tell you this shit's pretty exciting
mircea_popescu: challenge brings innovation, as they say
mircea_popescu: ddos is one of the better things that happened to mpex so far
mircea_popescu: incredible huh.
mjr_: its amazing
mjr_: this is the future
mod6: =)
mircea_popescu: good designs well administered shall prevail
mod6: ok i cleaned that up, now i gotta do one more test then i can check it into github for yall
Bowjob: What do you guys think of google glasses
mod6: (just vwap is finished for now, will finish others over next few days...)
BitOTTer578: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer578: http://pastebin.com/xBthcKyb
mjr_: this kinda reminds me of an xkcd... http://xkcd.com/504/
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.54224, Best ask: 47.89850, Bid-ask spread: 0.35626, Last trade: 47.89858, 24 hour volume: 46494.02049522, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.71103
Bowjob: ...
Bowjob: wtf is this
Bowjob: Weekend rally
Bowjob: What vodoo is this
mjr_: http://xkcd.com/1181/ or this one LOL
mjr_: i know, i was hoping for a dip
mircea_popescu: where's the coinlab pr spam with "mpex indomitable, btc surges"
mod6: ok, the vwap one is finished (for the moment) and checked in: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_vwap.pl
mjr_: hmmm
mod6: anyway, im ciked that was so simple. can't do more must find a cold pizza to eat somewherez!
mjr_: just realized that now mpex is only for mpex registered people...
benkay: ouch
benkay: dat fee
mircea_popescu: mjr_ that was always the case ?!
mjr_: from market data perspective i mean
mircea_popescu: why ?
mjr_: do the other commands not come encrypted?
mjr_: hold on i am gonna try it out
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: plaintext
mircea_popescu: $depth
mjr_: oh ok cool
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/RCZCr6Uk
benkay: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00074997 = 1.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27999 @ 0.00074998 = 20.9987 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what commands are available for the mpexbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00074999 = 29.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19317 @ 0.00075 = 14.4878 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay $post $depth $vwap
benkay: thank you.
mjr_: ah very cool
benkay: $vwap
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/xaBQwgvC
benkay: what does vwap stand for?
mircea_popescu: volume weighted average price
mjr_: volume weighted average price
benkay: volume weighted average..
benkay: price!
mircea_popescu: ha!
benkay: thanks.
mircea_popescu: you can also inspect these one at a time with assbot's !ticker
mjr_: lol, was just thinking about back in the days when we were discussing mpex fee being around $450
mjr_: and just realized that it will now be around $1500
benkay: jeeze mp
mircea_popescu: i always said it's only going up.
mjr_: hyperinflation
mjr_: in the usd
mjr_: and that is true
mircea_popescu: the usual consumerist "o, i'll just wait" is suicide here.
mjr_: you did say that
mircea_popescu: the longer one waits the more painful it gets.
mjr_: hmmm that is a good point
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149892.0
mjr_: this is a whole new world
Bowjob: I nominate pirateat40 for the documentary
mjr_: typically...if you wait, prices usually fall
mjr_: on most consumable things
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mjr_: but in a bitcoin economy, the opposite may be true until you can finally do most of your transactions in bitcoin
benkay: assets denominated in btc just keep increasing in price
mjr_: in which case you would still be paying the same 30 btc you would have before
mircea_popescu: back in april 2012 when it was introduced fee was like, 100 bux irrc
the-bucket-shop: new metric: 1 seat mpex vs. 1 seat nyse
the-bucket-shop: wait for parity
mjr_: lol great idea
mircea_popescu: totally.
mjr_: oh...i emailed freenode and asked if they would accept bitcoin donations
mjr_: they only take credit card and paypal right now
mircea_popescu: yeah
mjr_: and i mean, it is pretty much exactly what they believe in as far as distributed systems and freedom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahaha somebody just pm'd me https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg773754#msg773754
benkay: where did homegirl running MPOE-PR pick up all dat econ?
mircea_popescu: benkay she is ocassionally allowed a quiet seat at the board meetings.
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://pastebin.com/TMmbMjc3
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017811/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017812/plain/
benkay: mircea_popescu: preferred capitalization MPEx or MPEX?
mircea_popescu: it's always been MPEx
benkay: thanks.
Bowjob: money printing exchange
Bowjob: everyone makes money
mircea_popescu: haha totally.
Bowjob: does it it suck for people with bad calls and puts
benkay: !post
mircea_popescu: multi purpose excalibur
benkay: $post
the-bucket-shop: I got a STAT from irc. officially idiot proof.
mpexbot: benkay: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
Bowjob: i remember a 500 BTC squeezed out of a poor speculator
Bowjob: from the 26 to 20 dollar flash crash
Bowjob: hilarious
mircea_popescu: Bowjob end of jan somebody got wiped for like 5k actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [-]
Bowjob: yikes
Bowjob: Buy and hold, doesnt cost a dime
Bowjob: and it works so far
mircea_popescu: i think the record is that one time when s.dice got sold to like 0.0008
Bowjob: oh yeah
Bowjob: i remember that
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: fat finger
mircea_popescu: we mostly came to the conclusion it must have been a msitake
Bowjob: that was an 80k USD mistake
Bowjob: was it
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm aware of the email and irc channels for posting trades to MPEx, are there others I'm not aware of?
mircea_popescu: was pretty huge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay email is not atm such a channel.
Bowjob: and of course this being the wild wild west of finance
Bowjob: they cant.. they cant reverse it
mircea_popescu: i had mentioned that if the worst comes to worst we will take it to email,
Bowjob: fat finger
mircea_popescu: but it hasn't come to that.
benkay: thanks for the clarification. is irc then the only channel over which you're accepting transactions?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.95900, Best ask: 47.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29100, Last trade: 47.33203, 24 hour volume: 47013.01597736, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.74036
mircea_popescu: other than that there are private proxies available atm, and the public irc bots.
Bowjob: "I wish I had bought some when they were cheap :(" - On the current events forums of gamefaqs
benkay: is one more robust than the other? do you prefer to receive over irc?
Bowjob: I was telling them about BTC since it was 13 dollars..
mircea_popescu: i woulsd guess irc is the most robust
mircea_popescu: this is a difficult question tho, robust by what standard ?
mircea_popescu: anything manmade is in principle doomed.
benkay: fuck iono
benkay: some arbitrary heuristic?
benkay: your team's hunches about these things?
mircea_popescu: irc is robust as long as freenode stays online.
benkay: thanks again.
mircea_popescu: don't mention it.
mjr_: yeah i think this is a great system
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0056 = 0.0112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.24110904 = 241.109 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21525757 = 215.2576 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.19052144 = 190.5214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16701309 = 167.0131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14485191 = 144.8519 BTC [-]
mjr_: hmmm
mjr_: i managed to import your pub key mircea
mjr_: still getting used to gpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mjr_: B|
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: aand we're officially over 200k option contracts traded this month.
mircea_popescu: new record.
mjr_: does anyone know how to type the double barred B
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33318 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 23 @ 0.21 = 4.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.215 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/j8L5hhZ.jpg
Bowjob: Do want
kakobrekla: infinity sign is kinda unapropriate
kakobrekla: this not being fiat.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23978602 = 239.786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21402821 = 214.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1893874 = 189.3874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16597581 = 165.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14391278 = 143.9128 BTC [-]
the-bucket-shop: that seem like a big deal to anyone?
MadSweeney: mpex being dos'd can be ironically considered a milestone ;-)
mircea_popescu: so basically someone thinks btc will stay over 50ish
mircea_popescu: and has a coupla k's to back that thinking
jcpham: Whhoosh
pigeons: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.53000, Best ask: 47.54224, Bid-ask spread: 0.01224, Last trade: 47.53000, 24 hour volume: 48358.44194382, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.90546
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will BTC rise higher this week?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
Bowjob: :/
Bowjob: Sell sell sell!
Bowjob: Someone offered me 112 BTC for my Avalon
Bowjob: MHmm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23956955 = 239.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21382268 = 213.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1891934 = 189.1934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16579394 = 165.7939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14374371 = 143.7437 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess it ain't gribble shorting them
jcpham: jeebus
mircea_popescu: MadSweeney indeed.
Bowjob: MadSweeny do people use BTC in the philippines?
MadSweeney: Bowjob, yes
Bowjob: id imagine people earn lik 1.5 BTC for 1 month
Bowjob: there
MadSweeney: that's too low
kakobrekla: doing what?
Bowjob: whats the average salary there
Bowjob: k, maybe 4 BTC im guessing
Bowjob: just a guess
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6988024064/h23C3D98F/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.2390698 = 239.0698 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21335791 = 213.3579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18876427 = 188.7643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16540104 = 165.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.1433876 = 143.3876 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hmmm
pizzaman1337: that's a lot of BTC
pizzaman1337: maybe they know something we don't...
Bowjob: I havent really paid attention..what does it mean
Bowjob: those btcs
mjr_: whats the oix at?
kakobrekla: those are put options Bowjob
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.68083871 / 49.87693675 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 17,066.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 50ish
mjr_: cool thats what i was figuring
mjr_: lol i just realized that i had kleopatra installed already and i was doing everything from the command line
mjr_: yeah i figured someone was hedging something with those
benkay: all the way down to 47...
mircea_popescu: if coinlab etc had a clue they could actually insure their coins
mircea_popescu: so they could deliver to customers rather than cancel orders
Bowjob: put options.. meaning they expect btc prices to go down.. to 47?
benkay: past.
mjr_: well
mircea_popescu: Bowjob nah. these were sold not bought
mircea_popescu: person is basically saying "btc will stay over 50 the entire month, and maybe even over 55"
benkay: purchaser?
mircea_popescu: the bot bought.
mircea_popescu: the customer sold.
Bowjob: so it's a "call" then
Bowjob: ?
mircea_popescu: you can tell cause the bids were taken out not the asks
mjr_: no selling a put = buying a call
mircea_popescu: no, it's a put.
mircea_popescu: nah.
mjr_: if you are "short" a put
mjr_: it is a bullish move
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.595 = 5.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.599 = 1.198 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thats true.
mircea_popescu: just the net gain as a function of btc price changes
mjr_: so if you think something is going up you can sell puts and collect premiums and buy calls as well
Bowjob: nice recovery on havelock
Bowjob: i sold at 0.75, lets see what happens
mjr_: some people sell puts in order to buy calls (lowers their cost)
mircea_popescu: yeah, that actually may work
Bowjob: They should have taught me this in hs
mircea_popescu: Bowjob absolutely.
Bowjob: but if they taught me about this in hs, there wont be time for shakespear
mjr_: shit they should teach people what a debit and a credit is
Bowjob: yeah ^
mjr_: i was actually thinking about trying to create a web based class
mjr_: like kahn academy or something about finance
Bowjob: thankfully, unlike most of my 20 year old contemporaries, I had this fine idea of saving more than i've been spending
benkay: fuck hs
mjr_: well...
mjr_: that is a smart idea
benkay: the whole education stack needs to be online
Bowjob: and i put it in bitcoins
mjr_: but not when you have rampant inflation
Bowjob: before they blew up from 13 dollars
Bowjob: lol
mjr_: so in your case smart
Bowjob: i wish i put more
Bowjob: oh well
benkay: meh
Bowjob: and i did put in what i can lose and just write off
benkay: don't fixate on short term
BitHub: selling asicminer shares 1.8 each get at me
benkay: you're only 20
benkay: do you want to do the trading thing?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: what is the capital requirement for someone to sell the amount of puts we just saw
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm, lets just say i'm "interested" not sure yet
Bowjob: i'm an owl for now. just observing
BitOTTer906: $depth
mpexbot: BitOTTer906: http://pastebin.com/Hhw3k9Bi
mircea_popescu: mjr_ probably about .5 btc per contract
benkay: what kind of work do you do?
mircea_popescu: something like 2500 per batch
mod6: sorry about the in and out, but it works better now, does both depth and vwap -- its all in one code file now too.
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1017874/
mod6: depth output successful
kakobrekla: is that in and out going to be a casual thing ?
mod6: na, i need to figure out how to msg the bot directly :/
kakobrekla: /msg <nick>
mod6: heh, this doesn't work quite like that
kakobrekla: ok
mircea_popescu: whtats the big deal, noobs join/part all da time
kakobrekla: ya but if we have 10 people using the script and all joining and parting
kakobrekla: its meh
mircea_popescu: a that'd be insane
mircea_popescu: im sure finished version won't be doing thatl ol
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: 948
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.52311, Best ask: 47.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37689, Last trade: 47.92886, 24 hour volume: 49410.60996836, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.95456
Chaang-Noi: oh btc... are we going to 100?
mircea_popescu: 55 seems likely.
Chaang-Noi: yea 55 berfore 100 :)
mjr_: so, that guy just collected 948 bitcoins
kakobrekla: who?
mjr_: whoever sold those puts
mjr_: the bot bought them
kakobrekla: a
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: there were two bursts
mjr_: what's the equation for collateral?
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 48
gribble: There are currently 3929.1374 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 188482.186888 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 33194.542 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1619455.56147 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.2957 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it si trhe weekend and we are trucking on up.... crazy
mjr_: i know
mjr_: s.dice is back up too
mjr_: mpoe is up
Chaang-Noi: o kinda wan t to just walk away from btc land for a month come back and see what is going on...
Chaang-Noi: litecoin is near 25 cents
mircea_popescu: ya ltc is crazy lol
mjr_: i am actually trying to mine litecoin
mjr_: not because i particularly like them
mjr_: but because i can send them to btc-e
Chaang-Noi: many many gpu miners will mine and support ltc now asics
Chaang-Noi: make the network stronger:)
dub: does cpu mining still work for ltc?
benkay: hahaha best
mjr_: lol it hasn't worked for me
Bowjob: Stupid move on my part, I sold 10k LTC
Chaang-Noi: it works but like cpu mining in btc dont do it:)
Bowjob: maybe I should buy back
mjr_: well...if you move them to btc-e
mjr_: you can get access to better prices
mjr_: i just don't like the other funding options
mjr_: to clarify: i meant you could end up with more bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23838313 = 238.3831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21271752 = 212.7175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18817119 = 188.1712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16485623 = 164.8562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14289205 = 142.8921 BTC [-]
Bowjob: holy shi
Bowjob: t
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: 948
benkay: ;;calc 948*47.8
gribble: 45314.4
mjr_: almost 2k bitcoins
pizzaman1337: every time the bot puts up more blocks they're taken out
mircea_popescu: ddos
mircea_popescu: v2.0
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i have to imagine that your bot buys them as part of a hedging strategy
Namworld: Who's selling that amount of puts...
mircea_popescu: mpoe bot is just marketmaking
mod6: sorry guys, just a few more tests..
mjr_: no worries...to be honest, i think you can just turn off showing joins and parts
mjr_: i know you can in colloquy, but not sure about MIRC
kakobrekla: but thats like turning off 1 satoshi txes
kakobrekla: u dont do dat.
mjr_: no i didn't mean you
pizzaman1337: in order for that person to "cash out" they need to buy puts back, right?
mjr_: i meant you can send them, but i can not display them
mjr_: no
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 yes, or they autoexercise at month end
mjr_: yes true
pizzaman1337: and what exactly happens when they autoexercise?
mjr_: do they always autoexercise?
mjr_: thought they would only do that if they are in the money
mjr_: they probably will just expire worthless
BitOTTer86: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer86: http://pastebin.com/KnN9A22z
benkay: /msg mirceau_popescu
benkay: wtb
pizzaman1337: but if they expire worthless, than means they made pure profit because they don't have to buy back worthless options?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ well, if they're not in the money they just dissapear
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 yes
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to like 55 and stays htere, all the btc he got selling he keeps
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to 40, he's on the hook for the difference
pizzaman1337: what if the diff is greater than the amount of money he has?
mjr_: you technically expose yourself to unlimited liability when you write options (at least calls)
mjr_: but usually you have to have something to back against the most likely scenario
mjr_: thats why i was wondering the specific collateral requirements
Namworld: With a call, you need to put up 1 BTC collateral so it's always 100% covered
mjr_: but for puts
mjr_: it varies doesn't it?
Namworld: For calls, their value tends toward 1. For puts tho, their value tends toward the infinite.
mjr_: hmmm yes when writing them
Namworld: For example, if price becomes 1/1000 of the put's strike, the put would be worth 1000 BTC
Namworld: If it goes to a lower fraction, even more.
mjr_: i know
mjr_: my point is that since you COULD be on the hook for millions of bitcoins
benkay: at most 21
mjr_: how many are required
Namworld: They're not fully covered. It would require infinite BTC.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: but what is the capital requirement
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 it can't be, cause he deposits collateral
Namworld: It varies depending on strike and current rate/BTC
mircea_popescu: Namworld they are fully covered, since you do put up enough btc to cover for the put in usd atthe time you write it
mircea_popescu: you put up a little more, which pays for insurance.
mjr_: just for example...let's say the vwap hits $100
mjr_: and you sold puts at $50
mjr_: wait reverse that lol
Chaang-Noi: ;;48.5
gribble: Error: "48.5" is not a valid command.
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 48.5
gribble: There are currently 17873.054 bitcoins offered at or under 48.5 USD, worth 863731.319966 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.7354 seconds
Chaang-Noi: massive wall up
kakobrekla: maybe from the sam guy who sold the puts
kakobrekla: now to be removed
kakobrekla: konspiraci
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I think I understand it all, thanks. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.
mjr_: so anyway, let's say the vwap is 50 and you sell puts at 50, the price drops to 25
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: but wouldln't that person want the price to increase?
kakobrekla: yes pizzaman1337, 04:37.38 ( kakobrekla ) now to be removed
kakobrekla: the ask wall.
pizzaman1337: ah
mircea_popescu: konspiraci!
kakobrekla: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
mjr_: each contract would be liable for 2 bitcoins right?
Namworld: hmm, 1 BTC actually
mircea_popescu: no ?
Namworld: AActually in my example earlier, I think it should have been 999 BTC
Namworld: 1/(x-1)
Namworld: you get your fraction with x and remove 1 to that.
Namworld: Since at strike value, the put has 0 value.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: my point is just this...if you sold the put, and the price goes up 10x
Namworld: put is worth 0 so 0 collateral is eaten.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: but if it drops to 0
Namworld: You have infinity BTC value
mjr_: i think i see what mircea was saying
Namworld: So you must pay an infinity of worthless BTC...
jborkl: you can only write covered options, no naked
mjr_: yes exactly
pizzaman1337: "You don't hold enough assets to trade even one single unit of that MPSIC. Sad, sad, sad." < lulz
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: fortunately because btc is small and fiart is large it is kinda trivial for me to insure against that
mjr_: yes
mircea_popescu: so if btc goes to zero outstanding puts just get setrtled in fiat
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mjr_: yeah
mircea_popescu: anyway if btc is zero nobody would want to be settled in btc
Namworld: except you pay infinity x 0 USD per BTC...
mjr_: i am going to do some exploring on a pairs strategy
Namworld: if the price is 0.01 and strike is 1, you pay 99 BTC at 0.01 cent each...
Namworld: The lower the price goes, the more you owe. But the less the BTC costs to cover those larger BTC amounts.
mircea_popescu: basically a p500 can never cost more than 50 bucks
mircea_popescu: whatever that comes to
mjr_: although that is true...
mjr_: technically if you need btc in order to unwind your position
mjr_: and have to buy it on the open market
mjr_: someone would have to sell it
mjr_: and if you are obligated to buy a lot
mircea_popescu: price goes up and put is no longer under water
mjr_: you could be pushing the price up
mircea_popescu: it's a self limiting issue
mjr_: yep
bgupta: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mjr_: i was going to say that the other possibility is that you can cover the position very easily with another option
mjr_: if you sell one call for every put
mjr_: i meant buy a call for each put sold
BitOTTer501: $depth
mpexbot: BitOTTer501: http://pastebin.com/gV101v9A
mod6: hmm, ok well anyway, it works, kinda.
mod6: needs more work, but gotta run for now lol
mjr_: i was just looking at the last one, really great job mod6
bgupta: Hey is it ontopic to discuss pricing of bitcoin denominates securities in this channel?
bgupta: mostly wondering about ASICMINER share and their passthrough derivates.
mjr_: lol its all we talk about really
bgupta: excellent!!
dub: that and porn
mod6: wow, thx mjr_ :}
mjr_: bitcoin is finance porn
benkay: bitcoin is disruptive tech porn
mjr_: mod6: no prob, it is really really cool
mod6: so, I cleaned up the dir a bit on github, got rid of bitotter_vwap.pl and bitotter_depth.pl and its merged into this now: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_market_data.pl
bgupta: totally
benkay: but yes, that too
mod6: right on heheh. its awesome just to see it work, kinda lol
mjr_: whats interesting is that we are sending our GET requests via irc
mjr_: and retrieving a dynamic web page at a different address
mjr_: i think that is really cool
mod6: oh, so the bummer so far is... i maybe shouldn't have done a commit in there and had left those files to be still able to interface with mpex or a proxy in a way thats outward facing... if that ever happens again
mod6: cause with that, it was still tor capable
mod6: so i'll probably just re-introduce those files if/when that happens so tor may be utililzed
bgupta: so back when btw rallied from zero to about 10 it caught my attention… and I made a decision to invest in gnu mining gear. by the time I got my gear up and running it had spiked up to to 30+ and then crashed… I ran my rigs at a loss for almost a year, but when the algorithm changed, I decided that investing the wrk to reprogram them was a loser and shut it all down.. I managed to hang onto a minuscule 500 b
bgupta: though..
mjr_: i kinda thought that maybe you could host the website on tor with no order functionality
mod6: anyway, just thought yall should know what was happening.
bgupta: held it fallow for the past year or so… but the recent spike in price got me wondering if spinning up made sense (I decided no since the a sic stuff is imminent)
mod6: mjr_: that is pretty neat-o huh :)
mjr_: well
mjr_: do you get cheap electricity bgupta?
mircea_popescu: mod6 tor is coming i think.
mircea_popescu: bgupta btw = btc, gnu = gpu ?
mircea_popescu: and when did the algo change ?!
mjr_: mircea_popescu: also i can host a mirror if you like...it will be pretty tough for them to take out a GAE instance
mod6: ok, i'll reintroduce those files with needed changes as that approches. that'll be awesome
bgupta: In the past no, unfortunately…. now… I have a partner willing to pay electricity if I provide hardware and we split proceeds 50/50.. I think it's a loser for him though.. mircea_popescu yes sorry not reading what I am typing..
mircea_popescu: mjr_ they already have, three times. and amazon x2
mod6: i have basically only accessed mpex over tor since you moved it all over to that early last year
mod6: its always been fast for me
mircea_popescu: if by hardware you mean gpus bgupta it's a loser for him. and prolly for you too.
mjr_: well...not really for him, if he alrady has the hardware
bgupta: well… they are paid for… so not really
mjr_: he will just get to keep half of the small number of bitcoins he gets
bgupta: the loss will be a day of my time figuring out how to setup the softare
mod6: any amt of satoshi will be signifigant eventually
mjr_: i thought you already had it running?
mjr_: i am debating installing visual studio 2012 on my home computer
bgupta: I had it running was paying way to much for hosting in a real datacenter.. so shut it down last april when they changed the algorithm,,
mjr_: what do you mean changed the algorithm?
mjr_: if you mean when the pay rate halved
bgupta: mmm… existing miners had to upgrade the software..
bgupta: no
bgupta: let me see if i can find the deets
mjr_: upgrading version?
bgupta: yeah bitcoind changed… and all pools and miners had to upgrade
Chaang-Noi: network is mining blocks like crazy
bgupta: my pool at the time didn't upgrade and shutdown.. and since I was losing close to 50% at the time (due to the ridiculously low price of btw at the time) I followed them
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m.dice
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
the-bucket-shop: !ticker s m.dice
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
bgupta: I probably mined close to 10k coins while I had my rigs up.. but only managed to walk away with 500 btw after all was said and done..
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732757 shares, 23,001.76 BTC)
bgupta: err btc not btw
bgupta: don'w know why I keep doing the same type
bgupta: typo
Bowjob: mhm. what will happen to SR when mt gox stops their service to NA
bgupta: SR?
bgupta: Guessing NA is north america?
Namworld: Anywaym I'm out. Goodbye
bgupta: goodnight
bgupta: Bowjob ^^
bgupta: ooooo
Bowjob: yea\
bgupta: SR is satoshi dice?
pizzaman1337: SR is silk road, SD is satoshi dice
bgupta: ahh...
Chaang-Noi: anyone here selling off some of their btc and buying something crazy? or are we all just holing untill $1000 plus?
Bowjob: bought ASICs
dub: Chaang-Noi: im thinking about turnign some asicminer into a truck
bgupta: I am willing to sell my premium domain for 4000 btc..
Bowjob: it better start with mt. and and with gox
Bowjob: if its that much
dub: whats the domain
bgupta: nah just vj.com
Chaang-Noi: dub i did that already, traded my car in and got a truck
bgupta: If it was USD I'd want a bit more, but it is a digital only transaction, so I'm willing to do it for a little less
bgupta: unfortunately the folks that would be interested don't deal in btc
bgupta: Quick question in the flow… Are BitFunder, btct.co and apex the main securities exchanges ATM?
Chaang-Noi: how much did you buy that site for?
bgupta: $0… registered it before they charged for registering domains..
Chaang-Noi: cool, why not get more then?
bgupta: been paying whatever a year for the standard domain registration..
Chaang-Noi: im sure its a good name but you are going to have to hit the right people to get that much out of it
Chaang-Noi: i guess it is reasonable though
bgupta: well I had it appraised for $250,000.. but to sell it, i'd need to put a lot of time into adverttising, and likely need to retain a domain broker.. and then take a huge hit on taxes..
bgupta: realistically if I tried I could probably pocket close to $200,000
bgupta: It's the most valuable thing I own, and it goes up about 7% a year in value
bgupta: (Well other than my apt)
mjr_: my friend who owns an it consulting company said that that is his biggest regret
bgupta: It's a fallow asset..
mircea_popescu: bgupta mpex is, yes.
mircea_popescu: and wth, it boggles that anyone'd pay 200k for a domain.
mircea_popescu: i certainly wouldn't.
bgupta: well not an individual for sure..
mjr_: companies
bgupta: think startup or large company
pizzaman1337: with tons of users
mjr_: 200k is not much for a big company
mircea_popescu: that's besides thew point.
mircea_popescu: 200k isn'r much for me, either
bgupta: they don't even allow people to register two letter domains any more.
mircea_popescu: but it is very much for a domain
mircea_popescu: which is what we're discussing.
mjr_: i meant as part of a budget involving web presence
mircea_popescu: even so.
bgupta: memorable domains are getting harder to come by...
mjr_: that is a scarce resource
mircea_popescu: eh get out
mircea_popescu: it never was scarce, it's never gettingscarce.
mjr_: when i was looking into getting a domain name for my site
mjr_: huh?
mircea_popescu: seriously.
benkay: ad buys are made by advertisers
benkay: they don't think like that
mjr_: it is hard to get a one word domain
mircea_popescu: ya, they think like stupid.
mircea_popescu: no "memorable domain" has a site worth anything on it.
mircea_popescu: all the good sites are on new names
mircea_popescu: google
mircea_popescu: twitter
mircea_popescu: mpex
mircea_popescu: etc.
bgupta: amazon
mjr_: and getting those domains
mjr_: would be expensive
mircea_popescu: amazon is only memorable because of amazon
benkay: coca cola's ad company isn't smart enough for that shit
Chaang-Noi: i hold tygrr.com and bitcoins.lc not really worth a whole lot.
benkay: they're herd followers
benkay: worse than traders
mjr_: i got btcshares.com
Chaang-Noi: and litecoin.me :)
mjr_: btc-etf.com
mircea_popescu: point in case : btc.com
mjr_: gone
mircea_popescu: did any of the large btc players bother with it ? nope.
mircea_popescu: well... whoopdedo. why not ?
mjr_: bitcoins are still very new
mircea_popescu: forget that.
mjr_: i bet that domain will be very valuable in the future
mircea_popescu: there's people in btc that can afford 200k for a domain.
mjr_: of course
Chaang-Noi: btc.com is a porn site oh lol
mircea_popescu: i bet it will be very valuable in the sense 10 bucks are very valuable.
Chaang-Noi: brain trust company
benkay: their capital is best put to work in profitable ventures
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi some bs wannabe japanese co.
bgupta: well we are a bit different in that we use irc and weirdly named forums for most of our info. we seek out knowledge
dub: btc.com is too generic, like dollar.com
dub: you don't want that for a brand
mircea_popescu: dub yet bitcoin.com was all the bruhaha
bgupta: yeah the problem with too generic is they aren't trademarkable.
bgupta: which means you can't build a company or a brand around them
bgupta: e.g business.com
Chaang-Noi: sex.com
dub: sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010
bgupta: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/businesscom-sold-for-345-million/ look what it's being used of now
Chaang-Noi: pretty generic:)
benkay: wankery
benkay: lotteries
dub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name#Resale_of_domain_names
mjr_: i'm just saying
benkay: spend your energy on creating value
dub: insure.com for $16mn
benkay: capture a small fraction
benkay: don't wager with your life work
mjr_: typically we think of being creative
dub: man up and use it for a shock site tbh
bgupta: yeah.. I've been holding it, because one day when I do a startup, I want a unique domain name to do it with.
mjr_: but that is way harder for some people than just throwing money at stuff
benkay: lolwut
benkay: that domain's taking up too much of your brainspace
mjr_: seriously
benkay: not you mjr_
mjr_: i know
mjr_: i am just saying that domains are valuable, cuz people want them
benkay: if you're wasting cycles on thinking about domains
mircea_popescu: <dub> sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010 << and it never generated 1mn of revenue in its entire lifetime
mircea_popescu: bgupta i simply don't believe the sort of bs
benkay: you're not going to be successful in running your own business
Chaang-Noi: sex.com made shit loads on money?
mircea_popescu: i am aware the domain name scam people are really working hard to make their coolaid credible
Chaang-Noi: of
benkay: not in a high-competition, high-growth, environment
mjr_: benkay: that is the point, most people do not want to own their own business
mircea_popescu: but a ny times blog hit is nothing in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: 345mn didn't happen
benkay: i get it man, i get it
bgupta: The reality is google kinda made domain names less relevant.. that and the fact that browsers changed how they deal with stuff you type into the address bar.
benkay: doesn't mean i don't think that putting it all on a specific slot on the fucking roulette table is a good idea
dub: yeah for most people google is the address bar
benkay: bgupta++
benkay: i infrequently type domains
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: the way to go is just invent a name and use that as your tm and domains
benkay: it's like gm <enter>
dub: yep, and remember bookmarks? lol
benkay: bi <enter>
bgupta: point is that if I worked really hard I could sell it for $200,000, or if I worked even harder, I could build a kick ass business with a cool domain name that's easy to type.. I have time for neither atm.
benkay: ca <arrow down> <arrow down> <enter>
benkay: aren't there things you'd enjoy working on more?
benkay: i mean
bgupta: if someone flush with btw wanted to take it off my hands I'd be cool.. but that's a side bar..
benkay: i'm tired of hustling
benkay: it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for
bgupta: Yeah sure.. I run a LUG.. which I LOVE.
dub: its probably worht throwing a thread up about it
benkay: no sarcasm?
bgupta: I do OSS stuff, love that too
benkay: what's your profit center?
dub: the great thing about bitcoin is there is no shortage of idiots, some with too much money
bgupta: my profit center?
benkay: true of any market of a reasonable size
benkay: trivial conclusion
mjr_: dub: yep, the market fixes that situation
bgupta: I do consulting which is a brutal business.
benkay: meh
benkay: what space?
mircea_popescu: <benkay> it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for << this.
bgupta: cloud shit
benkay: how brutal?
bgupta: mmm.. to make a dollar you need to sell a body, brutal.. no real leverage, no real product.
dub: tis potentially a nice way for someone to cash out $200k of btc too
benkay: mircea_popescu: the best part is that everything i get checks for, i also learn new skills that multiply my rate
bgupta: dub what forum would I post it to if I wanted to pursue?
dub: bgupta: the bitcointalk market or auction forums
bgupta: benkay: I run a small consulting company.. it's not just me… so most of my time is spent doing business stuff not learning
benkay: i've seen that happen man
mircea_popescu: i've done plenty of consulting and it was always fun
mircea_popescu: what the heck.
benkay: i've never seen someone run the shop and still make commits
benkay: i love it
Bowjob: stupid parents took my piano away
mircea_popescu: "Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation,"
mircea_popescu: the chinese are about to bitchslap them
bgupta: The one thing I do like about it is the flexibility...
benkay: flex is nice
benkay: i get to bill anywhere i am
benkay: boss-folks like to see my face from time to time
bgupta: I get to pick my priorities..
benkay: but it's part of my mystique that i show up at the office kind of randomly
bgupta: been growing my lug and getting some pretty cool speakers..
benkay: what's the appeal in the lug?
bgupta: this is the next event: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181872/
dub: benkay: I had that at ibm, nobody (besides customers) had any clue what I did
benkay: big bluuuuue
benkay: corporate honky
benkay: ;)
bgupta: and this is the one after: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/102722692/
bgupta: and even cooler this is the one after that: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181952/
bgupta: I get to onsite awesome folks to NYC to talk to a bunch of geeks
benkay: that is pretty neat
bgupta: s/onsite/invite/
bgupta: afk for 5 smoke..
benkay: that's a lot...
Bowjob: btc crashing
mircea_popescu: lmao no way
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30215, Best ask: 47.30587, Bid-ask spread: 0.00372, Last trade: 47.30215, 24 hour volume: 50842.40617608, 24 hour low: 43.60001, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.10288
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: it was 46.60
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: by "crashing" i mean volatility
Bowjob: lol
bgupta: always volitile
bgupta: nbd
bgupta: so the real reason I can into this channel was to ask what folks think about ASICMINER shares, and the passthrough variants.
bgupta: I perhaps overshared, and for that I apologize, I;m a bit too open that way.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
the-bucket-shop: I've not looked at numbers for asicminer but I've met people at meet ups that seem to like it alot
mircea_popescu: ;;get info jborkl
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
mircea_popescu: ;;getinfo jborkl
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpginfo jborkl
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck
dub: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
dub: ;;getrating jborkl
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
jborkl: hmm, let me auth
bgupta: trying to value the shares, as they are starting to climb… faster than I can transfer btc out of mtgox (which is where has been my wallet for the past year.)
bgupta: am I idented?
bgupta: I set that up ages ago… not sure if it's enabled
dub: ;;ident bgupta
gribble: Nick 'bgupta', with hostmask 'bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: bgupta https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.msg1605413#msg1605413 if you mean asicminer
bgupta: thanks for the link will read..
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01398 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
jborkl: ;;ident jborkl_
gribble: Nick 'jborkl_', with hostmask 'jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01999 = 0.3598 BTC [+]
bgupta: so one thing I discovered is once the initial asicminer investors have been paid dividends drop by half.. since the real investors own half of the whole thing.
jborkl: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is identified as user jborkl_, with GPG key id 3ABA925F1676E0DA, key fingerprint BEDA499D84B3F11FAC2C98C13ABA925F1676E0DA, and bitcoin address 1assBEfKxpuhv3HdYfQwf9h2TR43DwVke
bgupta: considering initial investors bought shares at ~0.1btc that should happen sooner than later
Bowjob: Fuck
Bowjob: I'm mad
Bowjob: ... stupid fucking parents taking my piano downstairs
Bowjob: bpjhwsipghsipfghipaefghiaef
dub: firstworldproblems
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Without asking you to divulge too much roughly what part of the world are you in?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/274/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-hopkins-to-win/
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: whoa hopkins won by like, 1
mircea_popescu: bgupta timisoara
Bowjob: i swear i have rage building right now
Bowjob: fuck
bgupta: very cool...
bgupta: Bowjob.. go deal.
bgupta: be sweet
bgupta: mircea: Is there a way to buy straight up shares of asicminer, without doing passthrough stuff?
bgupta: err: mircea_popescu ^^
mircea_popescu: no. they blew their mpex listing.
bgupta: what does that mean they "blew a listing"
bgupta: delisted?
mircea_popescu: nah, just, failed to list.
bgupta: blew their chance?
Bowjob: I feel so violated.. that piano is my personal one
mircea_popescu: think of it in these terms : company pops up, doesn't list on nyse, lists on pink sheets
Bowjob: theres a second piano downstairs that i do not care about
mircea_popescu: through a weird agreement they don't sign
mircea_popescu: it's a little lala
bgupta: ok..
bgupta: SO the muse thing that everyone bitches about the 30btc thing.. that's just a one time thing, no?
dub: Bowjob: 1%problems
mircea_popescu: yes.
bgupta: s//muse/mpex/
bgupta: ok.. that would make trading difficult for me if it was a trading cost.
mircea_popescu: "everyone". hm. it's more of a "everyone that's bitching about it is bitching about it".
dub: bgupta: there are lots of otc asicminer trades happening, check the auction forum
mircea_popescu: obviously those that don't bitch don't bitch.
dub: bgupta: friedcat (asicminer guy) is timely about transferring etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, there's a large assignment market in it too, otc.
mircea_popescu: well...large. 100s of btc or so
bgupta: err.. lot me clarify "everything that bitches" means "everyone that bitches about mpex"… I believe that's the biggest complaint. and I'm ok with it…
mircea_popescu: i thought the biggest complaint was that i'm not nice.
bgupta: I am ready to buy sink 300 some odd btw into asicminer.. these penny-ante exchanges aren't quite cutting it.
bgupta: ohh.. you are mpex?
bgupta: very cool. sorry for being oversharing.
bgupta: (Realising that 300 btw is penny-ante)
bgupta: btc
mircea_popescu: what's oversharing ?
bgupta: the sharing of internet complaints..
Bowjob: I'll warn them next time they try to pull this shit again, I will yell at them so that all the guests will hear it.
mircea_popescu: lol that's not a problem, the internet was born to kvetch
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's a gamble on multiple scores.
bgupta: mircea_popescu: are your trades listed publicly? IE: do I need to buy in to see traffic?
mircea_popescu: nope. it streams here for one.
bgupta: fuck it's all a gamble
bgupta: opps
mircea_popescu: all the earlier excitement about the trading puts for instance
mircea_popescu: twitter.com/mpex1 or you could just follow the twitter.
mircea_popescu: there's also a rss but atm unavailable.
bgupta: Ohhhh… was gonna ask what these things are..
bgupta: me hates me some derivatives. (unless of course.. I am issuing them)
mircea_popescu: puts for this month around 50usd/btc
mircea_popescu: you can issue, sure. ths person was selling short.
bgupta: mircea: I am looking for a "stock exchange"
mircea_popescu: mpex does shares, options, futures
mircea_popescu: the whole thing
bgupta: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ ??
mircea_popescu: techbnically speaking options are securities anyway
mircea_popescu: that;s a proxy.
bgupta: err Ok I like equity
mircea_popescu: currently dead.
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/d6AS1y6d
mircea_popescu: there, that's a list of what traded past month
bgupta: JSON?
mircea_popescu: yes
bgupta: ok
mircea_popescu: grep S\. for shares
mircea_popescu: ie equity
bgupta: json is human readable.. but… I need to whip out cli shit to deal.. one moment.. (I'm slow)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (89317 shares, 66.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074889 / 0.00078628 (10735832 shares, 8,040.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068483 / 0.00078628 (58572634 shares, 40,112.83 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732756 shares, 23,001.75 BTC)
mircea_popescu: there, that sorta thing
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
bgupta: gotcha… ok I have to admit, I think the shit futures/options/derivatives are gonna make a number of folks very rich, I wish we could leave all that baggage behind is in the fiat world. We don't need wall street and hedge funds and institutional folks to "help us along"
bgupta: brb
mircea_popescu: uhm
mircea_popescu: how do you expect btc to work without financial instruments.
mircea_popescu: just because your master stripped you naked and beat you with a whip doesn't mean there's no need for whips in this new state you're making "for freedom".
mircea_popescu: they have their utility.
bgupta: fair enough… they have their utility.
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: some serious resistance this is
bgupta: meh… guessing price is gonna need to consolidate a bit.. before it can go up again
bgupta: could collapse too…
bgupta: it's had an amazing run… (I think it's not gonna collapse below 20 or so… but that's just me).. I think it has huge potential
bgupta: but
bgupta: I've starting thinking about things in btw… not USD… it's hard
bgupta: how do i get post access on bitcointalk??
bgupta: I get "be odd on newbie: but that's %^&ing retarded.
bgupta: err ocd
bgupta: ok my typing has suffered tonight as I drank a bottle of manzanilla
the-bucket-shop: bgupta I think you make 5 posts on the newbie section
bgupta: the-bucket-shop: Like mods are retards x 5? <jk>
bgupta: hard to post there…
the-bucket-shop: no, I would add +1 to each retard mod. multiplying will put you way over
bgupta: ok now have posted two
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
bgupta: now post three
the-bucket-shop: you can skip the updates, try to keep this room on point
bgupta: sorry…
bgupta: although (sidetracked now)… They probably don't
Bowjob: whats up with LTC
Bowjob: wtf
the-bucket-shop: problems in the litecoin community? I don't follow the news there, but would love to hear complaints if any.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC crash?
gribble: The outlook is good.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.34445, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 51372.27442917, 24 hour low: 43.70101, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.15373
bgupta: ltc will go wonky one way or another when all the gnu miners drop out of btw and point at ltc.
mircea_popescu: ahh my huge roast is in the oven
mircea_popescu: huuuuuge
bgupta: roast what?
mircea_popescu: a 2lb pork chop
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC rise in value?
gribble: _I_ don't know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005884 = 2.942 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bgupta, doesn't mining difficulty push coin value up with it?
bgupta: Bowjob.. a big chunk of BTC miners are gonna be mining LTC so...
bgupta: yes and no
bgupta: supply and demand is what ultimately drives value
bgupta: demand just deals with one end of that equation.
bgupta: err difficulty just deals with one end of that equation.. and that's supply.
ThickAsThieves: ltc has a use just in that you can play it against btc
ThickAsThieves: then you have litecoinglobal.com
ThickAsThieves: where there are btc and ltc-denominated assets
bgupta: so I here
bgupta: hear
ThickAsThieves: as long as people mostly stay focused on 1 alt-coin, it will do well
mircea_popescu: aite boys and girls. laters!
bgupta: dev coins.
bgupta: are wack
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i was like dev coins what?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 49.80381297 / 50.5311083 (no shares, 17,228.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.28030, Best ask: 47.30009, Bid-ask spread: 0.01979, Last trade: 47.30009, 24 hour volume: 38523.58082220, 24 hour low: 44.30000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.52796
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok so : jurov's coinbr has been nuked too, for the 2nd time. working on maximian's idea atm, probably back online soon.
mircea_popescu: 3rd generation, here we come.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000725 = 0.0718 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 38 @ 0.000725 = 0.0276 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ineedausername
gribble: I have not seen ineedausername.
AndChat567216: It's perhaps discussed already... but why not a MPEX proxy as TOR hidden service?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: AndChat567216 the concern is that may cause trouble to tor.
mircea_popescu: but it's being worked on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00194 = 0.0485 BTC [-]
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.005884 / 0.005884 (500 shares, 2.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00557643 / 0.006225 (387228 shares, 2,159.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3723806 shares, 22,946.81 BTC)
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
deadweasel: Chooser starting his own gambling/shares site? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151470.msg1607522#msg1607522
ThickAsThieves: is there someone i can bug to process manual withdrawals from BTCT/LTCglobal
ZedsterX: that's the spirit
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves burnside
ThickAsThieves: he's the only one :/
ThickAsThieves: ltc at .0785 alrdy
ThickAsThieves: oops
ThickAsThieves: .00785
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .00785 * 45
gribble: 0.35325
mircea_popescu: heh srsly ?!
ThickAsThieves: it went up 10% in 10min
kakobrekla: at this rate you gonna have to update that bitbet proposition soon
kakobrekla: or make another bet
kakobrekla: "ltc will be woth more than btc"
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna get all the ltc kiddies betting on it
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: is there a ltc chart like bitcoincharts anywhere ?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: all i have i 5min chart
mircea_popescu: lol sux
kakobrekla: https://btc-e.com/exchange
kakobrekla: ltc/btc
kakobrekla: action realtime
mircea_popescu: i can't believe they dion't have a chart system
ThickAsThieves: http://www.ltc-charts.com/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e
ThickAsThieves: its a little wonky
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: ty
ThickAsThieves: np
ThickAsThieves: rally is pulling back
ThickAsThieves: i sold 1050 ltc for 7.5btc :)
mircea_popescu: well done.
ThickAsThieves: wouldve been another 3000 if burnside did use Flintstone withdrawal method
kakobrekla: lol
pigeons: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=2-days&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: same chart but for black people?
pigeons: yep, black is cooler
mircea_popescu: lol black is what the pros use!
ThickAsThieves: i have too many other windows that are white
ThickAsThieves: kills my eyes to flip back and forth
ThickAsThieves: i guess if i had more monitors i could set up some for charts
ThickAsThieves: but i still have a day job
ThickAsThieves: for now
kakobrekla: dump dat shit
ThickAsThieves: tough to,
ThickAsThieves: it's my own business
ThickAsThieves: and ive pared it down a lot
ThickAsThieves: but still serve about 60 websites and 25 clients as designer
ThickAsThieves: then some adwords account mgmt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you are a designer?
ThickAsThieves: yessir
kakobrekla: got a portfolio?
pigeons: why are there still designers? we have bootstrap
ThickAsThieves: i do mostly branding stuff
ThickAsThieves: web design occassionally
ThickAsThieves: my portfolio are all busted atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i put up a new wordpress site that wasnt finished
ThickAsThieves: what kind of design are you looking for? i could dig up relavant samples
Namworld: lol... everybody use basic bootstrap only! A la GLBSE.
ThickAsThieves: relevant*
Diablo-D3: fucking bootstrap
ThickAsThieves: i'd rather see bootstrap than a lot of other shit
mircea_popescu: did you get your portofolio ddosed ?
Namworld: I prefer hand coded website
Diablo-D3: the newest version of foundation actually looks nice
Diablo-D3: Namworld: isn't worth it anymore
ThickAsThieves: no, cuz i havent linked to it here yet mp
Diablo-D3: too many flakey devices that get css wrong
Chaang-Noi: ltc:)
ThickAsThieves: i dont do any programming other than tertiary stuff
ThickAsThieves: some server mgmt
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: you should
Diablo-D3: its good for you
ThickAsThieves: i know
Diablo-D3: teaches you how to think
Namworld: What? How would it not be worth it?
ThickAsThieves: i have so many projects already
Diablo-D3: Namworld: I just told you why
ThickAsThieves: ive been learning plenty
Namworld: That's not even a good reason.
ThickAsThieves: just not programming
Diablo-D3: Namworld: if you want your website to look correct on every device ever, yes, it is a good reason
Namworld: The same can be done manually...
Diablo-D3: yes, if you OWN every device ever
Namworld: Plus bootstrap doesn't support everything...
Diablo-D3: bootstrap supports everything worthwhile
ThickAsThieves: oh geez
Diablo-D3: and supports a lot of older mobile browsers that really should just be tossed in the trash
Namworld: Same can be done manually...
Diablo-D3: not reliably
Diablo-D3: dude, I've written frameworks like bootstrap and foundation before, you haven't
ThickAsThieves: $vwap
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: http://pastebin.com/q5kdCh3m
Diablo-D3: its a pain in the fucking ass, and not worth wasting your time on
Diablo-D3: if a team wants to dedicate their shitty little lives to it, let them, it saves me the time of having to hit phones with hammers until they work
ThickAsThieves: and what are your feelings on Wordpress
ThickAsThieves: dare i ask
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I fucking hate it and I'm seriously considering replacing mine with a static blog
Diablo-D3: do like some git cron job or something
ThickAsThieves: you hate it personally, and/or you think others shouldn't use it?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Diablo-D3: Ive ran a wordpress blog for like 7 or 8 years now
Diablo-D3: it makes me hate php more and more
ThickAsThieves: like all my clients use it for their small biz sites
ThickAsThieves: so many hax
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: they shouldn't, its a security hazard
ThickAsThieves: i hate it now
Diablo-D3: this is why I run it on an isolated vps
ThickAsThieves: i mean i dont mind using it
ThickAsThieves: but all the hax
Diablo-D3: just so it can't fuck other shit up
ThickAsThieves: so hard to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its easy to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: "wordpress is written in php, php makes it easy for you to write code wrong so hackers can come in and fuck your website up"
Diablo-D3: "but why would they do this?"
Diablo-D3: "because they're assholes, Bob, they're assholes"
ThickAsThieves: because its free
ThickAsThieves: his name is actually Bob, lol
Diablo-D3: plumbers are always named Bob
Diablo-D3: its a rule
Diablo-D3: if you name your kid bob, he will grow up to either be a plumber or an electrician
ThickAsThieves: What if you call him Robert
Diablo-D3: mass murderer
ThickAsThieves: Bert the mass murderer, yep
Namworld: ...
ThickAsThieves: namworld is named Robert i guess
Diablo-D3: but yeah, storing your blog statically in git and then outsourcing the comments to a service
Diablo-D3: would really cut down on the bullshit
ThickAsThieves: clients want to edit their content in Word tho
pigeons: lots of sites i dont realize they have comments cause they use javascript to display them from a 3rd party service
Diablo-D3: so? they can copy paste
Diablo-D3: pigeons: er, except said 3rd party services email you on comment
Diablo-D3: which is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING
Diablo-D3: unless they explicitly set it up as moderation, then thats fine
pigeons: that's why i use your email address
Diablo-D3: lol but its gmail and gmail filters like a baus
pigeons: bwais
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 32 @ 0.00564 = 0.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00565 = 0.2825 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00567 = 1.701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.005709 = 0.0571 BTC [+]
Rick__: Is MPEx back on line/
Rick__: ?
FabianB: Rick__: still only here on irc
Rick__: when will it be back on line?
Namworld: No one can know... it's being DDoS'ed
Namworld: Whenever however is DDoS'ing it stops.
smickles: $ping
mpexbot: pong
Rick__: mircea cant do anything with the "ddos"?
Rick__: what if the ddosing wont stop?
jurov: i'm working on bringing mpex.coinbr.com onlinw with amazing powers
jurov: hopefully others, too
Rick__: looking forword to have mpex.coinbr.com back
Namworld: Amazing amazonian powers?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ as i said, there;'s more hardware coming online, and meanwhile trading works through the bots
mircea_popescu: have you been reading the forum updates ?
mircea_popescu: also possibly of interest to you, FabianB has released an equivalent of pympex capable of going through the irc bots
smickles: mircea_popescu: would you mind if '$vwap s.dice' returned what one might expect?
mircea_popescu: not at all
smickles: same with $depth s.dice
smickles: ooh, what's this FabianB thing?
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex
FabianB: smickles: it's like pympex
FabianB: just a little smoother interface, more features and can talk to the irc bots
mircea_popescu: someone's gonna one day make a gui
FabianB: as alternative to the http api
mircea_popescu: smickles also of possible interest to you
Namworld: I want a GUI...
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:07 <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:13 <mircea_popescu> such as !ticker m C600T
pigeons: did you turn normal during your time away from irc smickles?
Rick__: mircea,I can read English,but lots of computer things I dont understand,it's very diffcult for me
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok. basically, don't panic, we're working on it. even if ddos never stops.
pigeons: Rick__: do you need some trades executed now?
Rick__: nope
Rick__: just care about the website
pigeons: yes, we all cared about her, she's very pretty
mircea_popescu: lol
Rick__: I invest hundreds of coin in it
mircea_popescu: for all the hate that website got, seriously.
Rick__: so basicly,when will it be back on line?do you have a schedule?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ do you understand how ddos works ?
Rick__: nope,not at all
mircea_popescu: want me to explain ?
FabianB: problem with GUIs is that its majority of users are ms windows users
Rick__: If you thing I can understand
Rick__: think
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok lets see. suppose you have a shop somewhere. you make ok money selling things in your shop.
Rick__: yeah
mircea_popescu: one day a customer comes in and says "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: your shop doesn't sell carrots. you tell him this. he leaves.
mircea_popescu: this is no big deal, really, mistakes happen.
mircea_popescu: the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: the queues reach as far as the next town
mircea_popescu: the police wants to fine you because your shop is blocking the traffic
Rick__: okay,that's making sence
mircea_popescu: what can you do ?
mircea_popescu: when will your shop be back taking normal orders ?
Rick__: shut the shop down?
mircea_popescu: well that's not very good is it ?
Rick__: yeah,want shot somebody!
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: ok so, what you do is either make a much larger shop, or make the shop location secret, or both.
mircea_popescu: i am doing both. however, building a supermarket is not instantaneous.
Rick__: so the carrot here,what exacly the hacker do ,
Rick__: okay
mircea_popescu: it should have been online by yest, but we ran into supplier problems. that's detailed here :
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1601667#msg1601667
mircea_popescu: read the messages from there on.
Rick__: okay,thank you very much
mircea_popescu: np.
mircea_popescu: FabianB hey, does opengl work on windoze ?
pigeons: yes
mircea_popescu: is there opengl gui lib for py/perl ?
pigeons: dunno, i've played with OGLE for capturing geometry
FabianB: mircea_popescu: probably, but opengl is good for games and maybe charts, but not so much for normal guis
mircea_popescu: o really ?!
mircea_popescu: why not ?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's useful for 3D stuff etc.
smickles: FabianB: looks nice, and good thing to add the ability to go via IRC :)
mircea_popescu: i understand that, but i mean... if it can do that why couldn't it do some window boxes
smickles: mircea_popescu: did kako say he wasn't going to make assbot 'hungry'?
FabianB: sure you can, but it's easier to do GUIs with QT, GTK, Cocoa or Windows native stuff
mircea_popescu: !ticker m P470T
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1D: 0.14289205 / 0.14375761 / 0.14485191 (5000 shares, 718.79 BTC), 7D: 0.14289205 / 0.14708052 / 0.18400178 (5450 shares, 801.59 BTC), 30D: 0.14289205 / 0.18072094 / 0.58814383 (5900 shares, 1,066.25 BTC)
mircea_popescu: FabianB a ok
pigeons: yes opengl doesn't have some of the same positioning microsoft's directx has, but opengl is ued on windows
mircea_popescu: i was just thinking one could make a single codebase that's then independently compilable by os
FabianB: qt and gtk are kinda cross OS too; packaging is some work though for windows
mircea_popescu: but maybe that isn't the best way
jonny3: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
FabianB: mircea_popescu: the code can be done in a single codebase, but not the packaging
pigeons: ncurses
mircea_popescu: FabianB well if you use win stuff for instance, that won't be compilable in linux
mircea_popescu: lol ncurses
mircea_popescu: if mpex gui ends up as a wine supported thing ima shoot myself
pigeons: yeah wine has a lib for exactly that, building cross-platform gui apps
mircea_popescu: somebody just mentioned it here :p
smickles: lol, opengl. Let's make a 3d gui for mpex. heh, or maybe something like a minecraft interface to mpex :D
mircea_popescu: that's why i said
mircea_popescu: smickles hey, didn't you have a minecraft server ?
gabridome: thank you mircea that was really illuminating:"the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: gabridome :p
Namworld: Well that's pretty much what a DDoS is.
pigeons: i could go for telnet to an mpex mud
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a minecraft server
Namworld: Except the people are mindless zombies controlled by a hacker.
smickles: well, it's tekkit, specifically
mircea_popescu: smickles what do you want to build a mpex hq on minecraft ?
smickles: and we'll probably move to feed the beast
mircea_popescu: complete with being able to put in orders ?
mircea_popescu: pigeons make it!
smickles: heh, could be fun
mircea_popescu: indeed lol
mircea_popescu: i might even try out minecraft for this
mircea_popescu: Namworld i should have said "voters" shouldn't i have.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60399999 BTC [-]
smickles: the thing about minecraft mods is, text based ones are quick and easy, in-game gui ones are a bit tougher, and 'in-game in-game' ones take a lot of time
smickles: and a text one would be useless because it be like irc, but take longer open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.604 = 2.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles it's nothing but fun side-project really
mircea_popescu: if you ever felt like getting into game-making this'd be a great in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [+]
smickles: I did make a minecraft market mod which allowed players to buy and sell items/blocks at prices based on server-wide demand
FabianB: well java would be cross platform too, but no-one likes java guis (both users and developers)
smickles: ugly things those are
mircea_popescu: java is evil.
mircea_popescu: BUT
mircea_popescu: because of the way mpex works, the worst that can happen isn't really too bad at all
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30807, Best ask: 47.39936, Bid-ask spread: 0.09129, Last trade: 47.40000, 24 hour volume: 33231.78608909, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88175
mircea_popescu: smickles "a lot of work" is it because you need art made ?
smickles: naw, minecraft art is simple stuff, the issue is fitting it into play in a way that makes sence
FabianB: and on top: GUIs attract people that need a lot of support; telling someone to type XY into a commandline is easy (can be copy/pasted); telling someone to first click on Y, type X and point the mouse to Z is cumbersome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 499 @ 0.005884 = 2.9361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7176 @ 0.00588401 = 42.2237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9410 @ 0.00593938 = 55.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5415 @ 0.00598314 = 32.3987 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mircea_popescu: FabianB this is very true
mircea_popescu: gui is really a stupid way to interact with numeric machines, but hey.
gabridome: what about a javascript platform? security not enough?
mircea_popescu: gabridome security is not an issue really, because the messaging itself is encrypted
FabianB: gabridome: already exists: coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: the only concern is not losing the user's gpg keys
gabridome: I use WebPG
mircea_popescu: as long as it doesn't get cracked.
smickles: just make the gui look exactly like bitcoinica did
smickles: ;;sell 20 btc @ 49.82 usd
gribble: Order id 13941 created.
gabridome: yeah. And there's also the esclamation point issue I couldn't deal with probably..
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 33191.53570187, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88337
mircea_popescu: aww i thought we're at 49.x
FabianB: good thing i did the IRC extension, coz it made me implement the interactive mode; very nice to work with mpex in its own shell
mircea_popescu: i actually think there is a new business model being born here.
gabridome: is it easy to install ruby on Mac?
mircea_popescu: offer saas to mpex users : give them a fixed ip vps and handle support for mpex connectivity
FabianB: gabridome: it's shipped with mac, but old version and yes it's easy
mircea_popescu: charge whatever
gabridome: thanks. Will give it a try
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
Bowjob: damn, litecoin
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves looks like its live http://bitbet.us/bet/297/litecoin-surges-to-02-bitcoins-per-litecoin/
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 62 @ 0.000725 = 0.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
gabridome: coinbr.com looks like down. Is it?
Bowjob: litecoin at 35 cents
Bowjob: damn
ThickAsThieves: still cant get my withdrawal from burnside...
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/298/mpex-co-still-offline-friday-march-15th/ lmao
mircea_popescu: who's the smartass
gabridome: FabianB:upgraded last version with brew (1.8.7) and tryed to install but:ERROR: Error installing mpex: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. Don't want to spam the channel but could you give me a way to support?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.005905 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what;'s the logfiles say ?
gabridome: mircea_popescu: that look like a challenge. I'ignore it
gabridome: I'd ignore it
mircea_popescu: lol. but seriously, it probably spits out something more useful in a log somewhere.
mircea_popescu: you're prolly missing some itam.
gabridome: I'llgo find the logs...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009989 BTC [-]
gabridome: xcode-select: Error: No Xcode is selected. Use xcode-select -switch <path-to-xcode>, or see the xcode-select manpage (man xcode-select) for further information.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is xcode
pigeons: apple's compiler/environment whatever
gabridome: ?m downloading the new version right now
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's vsa again?
pigeons: yeah use a computer not an apple
mircea_popescu: smickles volume in satoshi
pigeons: well an apple II is a computer, but not a imacbook
smickles: thx :)
mircea_popescu: pigeons so a sort of borland pascal ?
pigeons: TURBO pascal
mircea_popescu: heh i think pastebin.com is getting ddosed too.
pigeons: Delphi++
FabianB: gabridome: as the readme says you need ruby > 1.9 or 2.0
smickles: ok, it's privitive, but it's there:
smickles: $help vwap
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
smickles: $help depth
mpexbot: smickles: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC.
benkay: nice
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/pNPn50Nk
smickles: benkay: there is also $post to send mpex commands, if you didn't know already ;)
benkay: i am familiar
benkay: thank you
benkay: do you have a moment to answer some rando questions, smickles?
smickles: go ahead :)
kakobrekla: what is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?
mircea_popescu: unswallowed ?
pigeons: do you like gladiator movies?
mircea_popescu: how many memes are there ?
mircea_popescu: hmm, smickles has failed to answer our questions. this is clearly a scam
mircea_popescu: there has been a full minute elapsed already.
smickles: philosophically speaking from a radical skepticism point of view, the answer to all of those is "i don't know"
mircea_popescu: $post U4KC19nM
smickles: :P
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/5ZNPXqdz
mircea_popescu: it's official, mpex is using new signature
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
Bowjob: so mp, doing any LTC mpex soon
mircea_popescu: make sure you update if you haven't already.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob nah
Bowjob: i find it baffling it reaches 35 cents
mircea_popescu: mania.
Bowjob: considering it's a get rich quick
Bowjob: scheme..
Bowjob: heck they openly admitted it on litecoin.org until recently
Bowjob: lol
ThickAsThieves: ozcoin is already #2 pool
ThickAsThieves: so much for that bet maturing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days conspicuously absent
kakobrekla: ;;getrating benkay
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net .
benkay: hence my request :)
kakobrekla: ;;rate benkay 1 mpex socket subscriber
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: my first rating!
kakobrekla: congrats :)
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 mpex socket hookup
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
benkay: thanks
gabridome: Pardon FabianB: seen just now. There's no brew formula for ruby 1.9. I guess I have to wait...
ThickAsThieves: ah my mistake the chart i was viewing says top pools that are 'asic ready'
ThickAsThieves: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/
mod6: Hey all. So I think I'm just gonna play with this thing a bit today, but it should be a lot less testing in here. I'm gonna change this thing so when it just sits in here, it looks for a msg from the owner defined by a pgp keyid and it'll verify with gribble via keyid & hostmask & if authenticated currently.
mod6: Then it can just msg mpexbot and get the stuff back without the additional join/part spammyness.
mod6: That code from yesterday worked, but kinda fucks a donkey.
mod6: =)
deadweasel: i wish the devs I work with were as honest as you.
benkay: only mod6 smiles about fucking donkeys
benkay: humility
deadweasel: i dunno, donkey shows are pretty big in the mexico
benkay: my favorite coders are ultra humble
deadweasel: mine too
benkay: i seek to emulate that
deadweasel: i'm lucky, my team is quite humble, except for the crappy two. they fuck everything up and spend a whole sprint doing one shite feature.
benkay: fire them
deadweasel: which everyone else fixes in the next sprint
benkay: are they shit or juniors?
deadweasel: I think she is leaving, I saw her updating her resume last week, AT WORK.
deadweasel: she is not bright.
deadweasel: juniors
benkay: sad
benkay: but *could* they be trained into high performers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01111 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.0111 = 1.0989 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm only moderately competent due to the generosity of senior engineers at every firm i've ever been a part of.
benkay: w/r/t time, energy...
deadweasel: no. :(
benkay: fire them.
benkay: what kind of shop do work in?
mod6: lol, its been so long since i've written anything that interacts with irc. its kinda fun to write something like this. 250 million internet years ago, when the aol ice caps were still melting, I used Net::IRC a bunch, but now its deprecated. :/
mod6: this new lib seems to do the trick though
deadweasel: the aol ice caps, lol
deadweasel: theres a few left, adrift in the north seas, they're like retarded unicorns
mod6: haha
mod6: yes.
FabianB: gabridome: yep, wait or use http://rvm.io or compile yourself
deadweasel: i cringe when someone has @aol.com email
gabridome: FabianB: I've succeded to compile it with the new version of Xcode!!! Now it gives me errors about No definition for rb_s_gpgme* maybe is the ruby version...
deadweasel: benkay: it's an AGILE/SCRUM team about 12 big, doing vetconnectplus.com
FabianB: gabridome: with xcode? ok.
FabianB: gabridome: well, you need > 1.9
deadweasel: it aggregates data from local vetinary machines and labs sent to regional labs, displays it altogether one historical graphs for vetinary diagnoses
FabianB: and gpg needs to installed
benkay: WHAT DEADWEASAL LETS GET BEERS
benkay: assuming you're working out of the idexx facility in portland
deadweasel: haha, yes
benkay: omgaweseom
deadweasel: westbrook
benkay: omgawesome
mircea_popescu: lmao
deadweasel: benkay: where are you?
gabridome: Sincerly FabianB: thank you for your assistance but to manage more than one version of ruby or to compile Ruby on a non Linux environment is much further my knowledge. I'll wait a bit if brew issue a new formula for Ruby
FabianB: gabridome: np
gabridome: ruby
gabridome: np?
gabridome: ah no problem.
gabridome: what
FabianB: if i'm around i like to help, but i probably won't support 1.8, since it's old and no good irc libs out for it
FabianB: also in a high speed train right now, not really stable internet :)
gabridome: yeah I guessed it. better to wait for better libs
gabridome: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ on line! Am I drunk?
benkay: nope
FabianB: Rick__: ^^
benkay: *cheers*
mircea_popescu: sweet.
mircea_popescu: applause for jurov.
jurov: oh, that remains to be seen
gabridome: clap clap. Is it possible to remove:"The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011" it looks strange... ;)
mircea_popescu: strange, how ? :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 99 @ 0.1737 = 17.1963 BTC [+]
gabridome: I swear I swear that I wanted to bet...
gabridome: I have to modify my shell script..
gabridome: changed my shell script: https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: did the mpex ddos'er at least pay a subscription fee to MP?
Lyspooner: seems unfair if not
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner lol how do you figure ?
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla, mind changing the topic ?
smickles: "These keys are only used when there are other recipients given either by use of --recipient or by the asked user id. No trust checking is performed for these user ids and even disabled keys can be used."
smickles: lol, woops
jurov: Lyspooner, like, he issued gigabytes of STAT requests?
smickles: gabridome: pull request ;)
maximian: FabianB: your mpex gem is excellent
smickles: oh hey mircea_popescu, you should ident and repost the new keyid
mircea_popescu: okay
smickles: so we know it's fo' realzies
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: (you know it was published ion trilema a while back)
smickles: did not know, is trilema back up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b6fd8223825264e5fc51a61232399173363cd6a3672c77d8374c3e7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: aha. ok so : new mpex key 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
mircea_popescu: also mpex.coinbr.com back online
mircea_popescu: smickles nope
smickles: mpex PUSH is awesome :D
dub: coinbr still down though eh
pizzaman1337: why a new key?
dub: not processing orders anyway
pizzaman1337: I noticed it was rejecting my orders
pigeons: cause he's too lasy to extend expiration
mircea_popescu: dub make sure you're using new mpex key/
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 cause the old one expired
mircea_popescu: and it was too short anyway
kakobrekla: like ziz?
dub: mircea_popescu: using coinbr ont the proxy
dub: not*
mircea_popescu: a, coinbr sucks, don't use it
gabridome: smickless: remember to change youKeyID and to put eventually the esclamation point
mircea_popescu: dub but seriously, will be back momentarily.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2758 @ 0.00598314 = 16.5015 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't seem to be able to find that key for me, would you mind posting the key block somewhere?
mircea_popescu: sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018523/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018524/plain/
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7
pizzaman1337: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018525/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018527/plain/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018529/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018530/plain/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018531/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018532/plain/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: nice to see S.DICE up a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did it work ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499998 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.60499999 = 1.815 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: who what where?
kakobrekla: the bot, works.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a kk.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.60499999 = 2.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.00599989 = 5.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.006 = 9.924 BTC [+]
gabridome: mircea_popescu:the new key is 1024 long and has no expiry date. Is it ok?
pigeons: dont bother asking the fingerprint, just the lenght and expiry date
mircea_popescu: it has no expiry date but it's 4kb
gabridome: key ID: 14460196CFE0F3E1?
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: bot to arb S.DICE on mpex/havelock?
FabianB: maximian: thanks, if you have any suggestions i'll constantly try to improve it
mircea_popescu: gabridome sounds right.
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 it should be done, but depth is kinda meh
pigeons: speaking of
pizzaman1337: yeah, really small
pigeons: topace_: looks like your mpex transfer script needs to look for the sig by the new mpex key
gabridome: so I guess gpg tools keyring doesn't read well the lenght(?) mmhhh
kakobrekla: pigeons doing manual arb?
gabridome: I've got to check something
mircea_popescu: gabridome the old one was 1k/4k
mircea_popescu: im sorry. 1k/2k
mircea_popescu: thios one is 1k/4k.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
gabridome: yeah..Beg your pardon. You should be tierd to answer question to newbies. I didn't check the subkeys...
mircea_popescu: i don't mind
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000725 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00549 = 0.1922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 12 @ 0.00066 = 0.0079 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00585 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 37 @ 0.00999 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
maximian: Here's something interesting - the average SatoshiDice bet size doesn't appear to relate to the BTC/USD exchange rate as many assume. Analysis by dooglus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1606184#msg1606184
gabridome: I've updated the shell script with the id of the new key https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00585 = 0.0878 BTC [-]
maximian: it could be that the rise in the exchange rate is being offset by more players
mircea_popescu: maximian interesting.
mircea_popescu: when was that released ?
maximian: today
mircea_popescu: might explain the s.dice surge
maximian: could be… we might see a nice recovery back to the .0070s
pizzaman1337: big wall at 0.00622500 though
maximian: yep, and trade volume is still light. probably no big moves without some news.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
maximian: still, nice to see some some demand return
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1799 = 0.3598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.23 = 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: yea, i need to get that new key in there
topace_: gotta find the details on it.. since mpex is down i dont know where to look
topace_: (mpex.co website down, i mean)
topace_: is there a working mpex proxy besides the bot here?
MJR__: lol mined 50 Ltc last night dumping it now
topace_: can't even get to mp's blog to get the gpg key data
MJR__: yeah I miss polimedia
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]
jurov: https://github.com/jurov/pyMPEx new mpex key was not done properly, changing mpex url via -m commandline switch
mircea_popescu: topace yes, mpex.coinbr.com works
mircea_popescu: also, key :
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7
mjr_: whats up jurov how you been?
mircea_popescu: i mean topace_ ^
mjr_: that was a nice experience, ltc into btc-e, traded for btc, and gone back to coinbr in less than a half hour
jurov: mjr_ well, i got sick of the whole situation (as if i catched cold)
mjr_: what situation?
topace_: mircea_popescu: please confirm fingerprint: 3D57 448E 80A5 6F64 F1D3 5E8F 1446 0196 CFE0 F3E1 ?
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1 yeh
FabianB: released mpex cli 0.4.5 which includes new mpex key in default config, basic orderbook in http and irc version (https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex)
jurov: mjr_ had to very quickly move whole site and learn how amazon ec2 works
FabianB: if there are existing users: key can be changed in ~/.mpex/config.yaml
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]
topace_: pympex keeps telling me invalid signature,. but i have the new one in my keyring, and its signed
topace_: oh its telling me to email you my public key first
topace_: 2013-03-10T16:21:04.028098 Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.
FabianB: topace_: did you edit in the new one in the source?
jurov: topace, did you upgrade to my versionabove?
topace_: jurov: yes i did just did a fresh git clone
mircea_popescu: hm
pizzaman1337: pympex works for me, I just edited the key. Make sure you sign the new one too.
topace_: ah there we go
topace_: got it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0059998 = 11.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.602 = 3.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.601 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.600002 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: mpex transfer should work again now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.59 = 2.95 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: what that, two klins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.59 = 4.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 31 @ 0.1853 = 5.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.18521 = 1.4817 BTC [-]
dub: rule 1 of amurika, thou shalt not disparage driving around in a circle http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/racing/news/20130308/nascar-fine-denny-hamlin-las-vegas-preview/
mircea_popescu: dub the funny thing is, one of the things american ppl in england tend to mock is the roundabouts
mircea_popescu: and yet...
deadweasel: i'm american, I love roundabouts
mircea_popescu: well maybe i was stereotyping unwarrantedly.
MJR__: gonna drive straight, then turn to the left
dub: turning right is the devils work
MJR__: did you see that South Park?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: so i just got a push receipt, that validates, but there arent any extra units in my account to account for the push?
mircea_popescu: that is strange. let me look
mircea_popescu: ;;ident topace_
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@CPEc0c1c03be745-CM00407b85cf6f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: id please ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.0059998 = 0.36 BTC [-]
topace_: 08AEAC40F3086E6131B39762A49472A32D4FCE50
mircea_popescu: if you can't id with that i'll have to ask you to sign something.
topace_: ;;ident topace
gribble: Nick 'topace', with hostmask 'topace!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
pigeons: ;;ident topace_
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
topace_: hmm guess i never setup gpg with gribble
mircea_popescu: sign a short explanation, date it, limit it and pastebin
mircea_popescu: "this is to prove key ownership over irc session 10 mar 2013 not valid for any other purpose"
topace_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603186/
mjr_: how do i link a btc address with gribble?
mjr_: ;;identr
gribble: Error: "identr" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: so i can't find any info on the wiki about adding a bitcoin address
Azelphur: Josh_Rossi: care to elaborate on what you're trying to do?
dub: add btc address to his otc user I think
dub: ;;guide
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
pigeons: its ;;changeaddress
Josh_Rossi: thanks guys
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i got it, i thought that was going to change my pgp address
dub: the docs are retarded
Josh_Rossi: but i realized that you are just changing the btc address from none to whatever
Josh_Rossi: well, i got that all taken care of
dub: so can you ident via bitcoin key now?
Josh_Rossi: i think so
Anduck: yes
Anduck: do ;;bcauth and when you get the string
Anduck: sign it with the btc addr
Josh_Rossi: but i already set up a script to do it with pgp
Anduck: then do ;;bcverify <string>
Anduck: bitcoin is so much better imo
Anduck: xD
Anduck: i havent touched my gpg since that
vampireb: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594534 / 0.006 (30318 shares, 180.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0056036 / 0.006225 (414146 shares, 2,320.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616133 / 0.0069 (3639066 shares, 22,421.49 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: well, i kind of want to start using pgp for certain emails
Josh_Rossi: i had a long discussion with someone about how online identities may become much more valuable than social security numbers or drivers licenses
Josh_Rossi: because while you do need those
Josh_Rossi: you don't use them as often as you go online
mircea_popescu: certainly true.
vampireb: that's why you start creating few seperate identities
Josh_Rossi: and for the most part in real life, people trust you to be you cuz you look the same
mircea_popescu: moreover, if i lost my id i would be meh, send someone to get a new one
mircea_popescu: if i lost my gpg key i'd be like...
mircea_popescu: o god.
Josh_Rossi: hehehe yeah
mircea_popescu: there's no words.
Josh_Rossi: scary thought
error4733: amnesia
Josh_Rossi: is there some sort of certificate system?
error4733: car accident or what
Josh_Rossi: like key signing? or does gribble basically do that for us
Josh_Rossi: i mean fulfill the role that a key signing party would have fulfilled
Josh_Rossi: i literally feel like i'm living cryptonomicon
Josh_Rossi: i assume that everyone has read or is aware of that book...but if not it is amazing book about cryptography and digital currencies that was written before btc took off i think
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi you mean the wot ?
Josh_Rossi: yeah '99 it was written
Josh_Rossi: yes, does the WoT take the role of a key signing party
Josh_Rossi: or a certificate authority
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: rather than the nominalist approach, try the functional
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?
Josh_Rossi: lol, as of right now, nothing
dub: no, wot is just a wot
Josh_Rossi: or i guess more accurately, learn more about how trust and cryptography are related
Josh_Rossi: for example
Josh_Rossi: i saw MPOE-PR show a sig that verified that she was authorized to speak on behalf of MPOE
Josh_Rossi: So, I imported your key
Josh_Rossi: and verified that you signed it
mircea_popescu: aha
Josh_Rossi: but it also said something like "this message is signed by this key, but that does not mean that it is really him"
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense.
Josh_Rossi: no no no
mircea_popescu: what they mean is, anyone can create a key which would be named "Joe"
Josh_Rossi: someone with access to that private key
Josh_Rossi: yes exactly
mircea_popescu: however, you didn't identify the key by it being named joe
FabianB: Josh_Rossi: yeah stephensons cryptonomicon is a fantastic book
mircea_popescu: you identified it by my keyid. so...
Josh_Rossi: i guess they are saying that while that key is definitely valid
mircea_popescu: the label on it is arbitrary
Josh_Rossi: yes true
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: :p
Josh_Rossi: and in your case, it is known that that is your key
Josh_Rossi: but in the case of someone else
mircea_popescu: ya hence the key signing parties and whatnot.
Josh_Rossi: all i know is that they say "this is my pub key"
mircea_popescu: originally these keys were invented for and used by people whose real world presence was more important to each other
mircea_popescu: gpg kinda predates the internet
Josh_Rossi: yeah
Josh_Rossi: just checking if i understood it correctly
Josh_Rossi: i trust that they key i used was really you
dub: for us it doesnt matter if its really him
Josh_Rossi: and then i can see that the key actually signed that statement
dub: or that he is who he says he is
mircea_popescu: that's the idea, whart dub says
mircea_popescu: you're not really verifying that the key is really this bloke in timisoara you couldn't care less about
mircea_popescu: you're really veryifying that the key signing here is the same key signing there
mircea_popescu: as for instance on mpex etc.
Josh_Rossi: yes of course
mircea_popescu: so it's an identity in that more mathematical sense, not in the more psychological sense of the term.
Josh_Rossi: that is what i was trying to say, that it is consistent across different channels
Josh_Rossi: the same person who runs mpex also wrote a statement saying that mpoe-pr is authorized to speak on its behalf
mircea_popescu: yah
mircea_popescu: if that matches, it could be called obama for all you care.
Josh_Rossi: yes
Josh_Rossi: true
Josh_Rossi: i'm trying to build a ticker now using websockets
Josh_Rossi: but the rest of the front end uses C#
Josh_Rossi: so i have to write a web based tech thing in a desktop application language that is not great for it
Josh_Rossi: i found some libraries, but trying to get javascript and c# working together is not fun
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.34000, Best ask: 46.39990, Bid-ask spread: 0.05990, Last trade: 46.34000, 24 hour volume: 35159.39827638, 24 hour low: 45.63000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.92297
Bowjob: omg
Bowjob: crash
Josh_Rossi: lol
Josh_Rossi: FabianB: yes, i really like all his books (except Anathem) and think it is amazing how prescient it is
vampireb: huh? c# is easy to integrate with the JS
Josh_Rossi: really?
vampireb: create an ajax service
mircea_popescu: aren't they basically the same thing ?!
Josh_Rossi: C# is similar to Java
Josh_Rossi: javascript is not similar to javascript or C# really...
mircea_popescu: http://sharpkit.net/ like
dub: Bowjob: would you mind saving this tanking/rally rubbish every time a trade occur for #bitcoin-otc
Josh_Rossi: and with trying to connect to Socket.IO, you are basically trying to send javascript commands to a server
vampireb: i use vs2012 it was a snap
Bowjob: no, i like doing it
mircea_popescu: i always tghought js and c# are practically the same thing
dub: Bowjob: so do they, why not share with teh other idiots
Josh_Rossi: i am using vs2012 too
vampireb: c# is a better version of java, but the java world is much better. hell i love osx
Bowjob: well what are you gonna do about it
Josh_Rossi: i am not a fan of either
dub: Bowjob: I'll start to dislike you
Bowjob: go ahead
Josh_Rossi: my roots are more like scripting and stuff, so i love python and dynamic typing
dub: tbh that started when you were crying to us about your parents moving your piano downstairs with teh other pianos
Josh_Rossi: but if i was going to bother with types, i would want to actually compile to the native code
vampireb: in an enterprise enviroment with too many monkey that code, its better to have a strongly typed language
Bowjob: right. i'm still mad about that
dub: of all the ridiculous problems a person could have
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i suppose that is true, i basically do all coding by myself
Josh_Rossi: and just want it to work
mircea_popescu: this conversation o.o
Josh_Rossi: drama in #bitcoin-assets :)
Josh_Rossi: i think its so fun
Josh_Rossi: such a thrill when something works...and the design part can be creative...
Josh_Rossi: feel like you are building something, that many people could find useful
dub: I'm always annoyed to be fixing a problem that should already be solved
Josh_Rossi: hehehe, i usually google for libraries that do what i need
Josh_Rossi: our 3 C++ developers are Romanian
mircea_popescu: big surprise there
Lyspooner: our 3 homeless newspaper sellers outside the subway are Romanian
Lyspooner: and hello everyone!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: i guess there is no way to write options on coinbr?
Josh_Rossi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.13000, Best ask: 46.37591, Bid-ask spread: 0.24591, Last trade: 46.37591, 24 hour volume: 35421.00568840, 24 hour low: 45.63000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.91767
Josh_Rossi: ;;calc (46.91767-41)/46.91767
mircea_popescu: lol
gribble: 0.12612881245
Josh_Rossi: was that not correct for the formula?
mircea_popescu: that'd be the value of a call struck at 41
Josh_Rossi: yep thats mine :)
Lyspooner: i'm not good at charts, but this index seems particularly unuseful: http://bitcoinsentiment.com/
Lyspooner: its usefulness is stuck in a tarpit of bias, small sample size and stupidity
Josh_Rossi: that is why i love the OIX
Josh_Rossi: money votes a lot more honestly than opinions
Josh_Rossi: ;;ticker m oix
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
Josh_Rossi: nevermind
the-bucket-shop: !ticker s.mpoe
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074997 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (91316 shares, 68.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074861 / 0.00078628 (10612769 shares, 7,944.90 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068478 / 0.00078628 (57848323 shares, 39,613.60 BTC)
the-bucket-shop: ;;ticker m s.mpoe
Josh_Rossi: OIX:49.80
Josh_Rossi: ;;calc (49.80-41)/49.80
mircea_popescu: gribble's ded
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
gribble: 0.176706827309
Josh_Rossi: hmmm think that 41 call is a good price right now on the ask side
mircea_popescu: if it keeps going up yeah
Josh_Rossi: well, i just meant in relation to the OIX
Josh_Rossi: but also 41: .17 | 43: .15 | 45 .17
mircea_popescu: haha yeah
Josh_Rossi: those were actually bids, not asks...
mircea_popescu: yeah somebody is overbidding the bot on the 45s
Josh_Rossi: yep
Josh_Rossi: interesting
Josh_Rossi: wish i could write some options
Josh_Rossi: could write next month puts at 43 and basically buy this months 43 call
mircea_popescu: so go ahead
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 47 @ 0.000725 = 0.0341 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: can you do that in coinbr?
Josh_Rossi: too poor for mpex at the moment, but hopefully soon
mircea_popescu: i think jurovdoes it by request
mircea_popescu: smickles might be doing it too
Josh_Rossi: oh nice
Josh_Rossi: kinda pissed i didn't get into s.dice at .35
mircea_popescu: it was there for what, like 3 months ?
mircea_popescu: then suddenly whooosh
Josh_Rossi: yeah
Josh_Rossi: but it finally pulled back
topace_: at 20000 btc profit in a month will do that :p
Josh_Rossi: yep
Josh_Rossi: last month was only 17k though right?
topace_: yea
topace_: but those 17k were worth like, 40% more when converted to fiat
Josh_Rossi: yes for sure
Josh_Rossi: record setting in fiat
Josh_Rossi: usd at least
mircea_popescu: i saw recently s.dice paid like 70k total
mircea_popescu: over 7 months
Josh_Rossi: yeah, it is a great stock to own i think
Josh_Rossi: i have mpoe and sdice and i contract
mircea_popescu: i've been spending the past hours looking at various mpex graphs
Josh_Rossi: ok, think later this week i will try some otc purchases
mircea_popescu: the stuff is fascinating somehow
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i like looking at historical data, but i rarely think it predicts the future
Josh_Rossi: i think "chart analysis" = augury
kakobrekla: O_o
Josh_Rossi: well...i mean in btc it is pretty easy to see that it is trending upwards
Josh_Rossi: but once people say "cup and handle"
Josh_Rossi: "head and shoulders"
BitHub: hows the contract stuff going?
Josh_Rossi: me?
BitHub: yeah :)
Josh_Rossi: hmmm...i only have 1 option contract at 41 sso that is decent
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but as far as business stuff i am trying to write drivers to grab market data for a crossing engine
Josh_Rossi: but that is kinda tough
Josh_Rossi: when i am good at neither c# or javascript
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 48 @ 0.009 = 0.432 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but i'll muddle through
BitHub: i'm good at making movies
Josh_Rossi: seen the documentary?
Josh_Rossi: also, i am having a lot of fun with trying to do different roles to set up a company
Josh_Rossi: looking into gnucash for my accounting stuff
Josh_Rossi: going to try and design the logo (fingers crossed)
Josh_Rossi: has anyone seen a font that includes the double barred B?
the-bucket-shop: !mp
the-bucket-shop: ;;mp
gribble: Error: "messageparser" is not a valid command.
dub: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225257 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4880505.1893 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.73635
BitHub: yeah watched a bit of it, pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.61199999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6149999 = 3.075 BTC [+]
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [+]
the-bucket-shop: ;;mp http://dpaste.com/1018705/
the-bucket-shop: little help?
the-bucket-shop: mp! http://dpaste.com/1018705/
gribble: Error: The "MessageParser" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "http://dpaste.com/1018705/" in it. Try "list MessageParser" to see the commands in the "MessageParser" plugin.
the-bucket-shop: that's not what mp stands for gribble. you must be new
kakobrekla: the-bucket-shop
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018705/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018708/plain/
kakobrekla: there ya go
kakobrekla: (its yours)
the-bucket-shop: thanks kakobrekla
the-bucket-shop: my key stopped working. not sure how to use the right one. sorry for the noise everyone.
kakobrekla: did you update your mpex public key
kakobrekla: ah its your private that is off
kakobrekla: hrm
kakobrekla: check you are signing with the right one
the-bucket-shop: thanks kafka
mircea_popescu: the-bucket-shop make sure you're using the right mpex key
mircea_popescu: if you're not it will say YOUR key is blown.
mircea_popescu: it just basically means "couldn't get a key we know"
the-bucket-shop: do I need to change the mpex key to use apex.coinbr.co
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0059998 = 1.5 BTC [-]
the-bucket-shop: m
mircea_popescu: no, you have to use the new mpex key
mircea_popescu: it switched on the 10th. this was announced like last month. do you have it ?
the-bucket-shop: I did nothing to update a key. must have ignored the announcement.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a ok 1 sec
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7 the-bucket-shop
the-bucket-shop: mp sending you some money if I can get through this.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 130 @ 0.000726 = 0.0944 BTC [+]
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594579 / 0.006 (30568 shares, 181.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.005599 / 0.006225 (409396 shares, 2,292.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616121 / 0.0069 (3629525 shares, 22,362.28 BTC)
Bugpowder: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder mpex.coinbr.com
Bugpowder: I see its back
Bugpowder: I totally forgot how to manually sign and encrypt the orders
mircea_popescu: :p
Bugpowder: looks like the panic has subsided
the-bucket-shop: I've got a working STAT, but I'd like to get rid of this message before sending money There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user
mircea_popescu: sign the key
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.62989, Best ask: 45.79000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16011, Last trade: 45.79000, 24 hour volume: 36079.61301029, 24 hour low: 45.51000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.85896
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.61887999 = 5.5699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.61887999 = 12.9965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6188888 = 5.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.61899899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.618999 = 1.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.619 = 1.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.619 = 3.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6199991 = 3.72 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: gotta prep for job talk. Peace out. See yall in a few days.
Bugpowder: make S.DICE hit .0065 while i'm gone please
error4733: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/satoshidice.com/
pizzaman1337: oh noes
pizzaman1337: bets are still active and working though, it appears
dub: at least its showing the same market reaction as mpex, site down price up
the-bucket-shop: seems there's a need for a distributed list of addresses. wikileaks style. not sure how to prevent fraud on that though
pizzaman1337: the addresses are built into blockchain.info's wallet
the-bucket-shop: anyone care to make that known on bitcointalk.org, or is this my responsibility? I haven't seen satoshidice at the top of the agenda over there for at least 12 hours.
the-bucket-shop: my friend, fancy_pants is going to ham it up sky is falling where are the bitcoin police. hopefully someone will correct any inaccuracies.
pizzaman1337: I wonder if it's getting DDoS'd by the same people/person who are/is attacking mpex
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
error4733: 80% yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
error4733: make sens
error4733: but like say above, the script is ok ! pp play atm
Ukto: http://i.imgur.com/KzY4tPF.jpg - avalons in stacks and what appears alot more already packaged in the background (older image, but amusing)
smickles: jurov: how come http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-mktdepth.php starts with a "JurovP"
smickles: er, "JurovP(" and ends with a ")", that's not json :P
smickles: oh, and there's a semi-colon at the end too @.@
mircea_popescu: smickles it's some javascript thing i tihnk
mircea_popescu: there's two files. one's made like a function for some browsingreason
mircea_popescu: jurvo asked for it.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm coding a nice looking gui client for mpex and plan on selling it for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: haha cool idea.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, let me look here.
smickles: it'll be for linux, win, mac, and android
the-bucket-shop: that ruby thing doesn't compile on my mac or hacked iPhone.
the-bucket-shop: it doesn't matter, but thought you'd like the feedback
smickles: the-bucket-shop: FabianB's ruby thing?
mircea_popescu: smickles one's vwap-json and the other jsonp
mircea_popescu: you using the jsonp ?
smickles: uh, mpex-mktdepth.php?
the-bucket-shop: that name doesn't ring a bell. it was called mpex
the-bucket-shop: Fa Wuxi copyright
mircea_popescu: mpex-mktdepth.php / mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php
mircea_popescu: mpex-vwap.php / mpex-vwap-jsonp.php
smickles: both mpex-mktdepth.php / mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php have that JurovP bit at the beginning
mircea_popescu: o noway
pizzaman1337: heh, yeah
mircea_popescu: for chrissakes. bleeding cache.
mircea_popescu: it's getting fixed.
smickles: my cache?
mircea_popescu: nono mine
mircea_popescu: smickles hm, i just loaded mpex-mktdepth.php
mircea_popescu: and it is behaving normally ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: thru the coinbr proxy or directly?
mircea_popescu: that's a point o.o
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
error4733: yes !
smickles: i dunno, but i'd hate to code in something to handle that, then when the main site comes back online it fucks stuff up
mircea_popescu: this is so weird, because vwap does not show the same behaviour
mircea_popescu: and it's just a proxy, wtf, it randomly changes ONE url ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: when you update the .php on mpex's servers does it need to be manually updated on proxies?
pizzaman1337: I'm not sure how the proxy system works
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 a. the file;s never been updated in montsh (really, since jurov wanted the procedure thing)
pizzaman1337: it would be cool if you could distribute something for people to setup their own proxies
mircea_popescu: and b. the proxies just php proxy, it's fixed
mircea_popescu: this has been distributed already hehe
mircea_popescu: let me find it
pizzaman1337: oh, ok
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 http://pastebin.com/vRzjux7e scroll
pizzaman1337: ok, cool
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1999 = 0.3998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 9 @ 0.009 = 0.081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00075 = 48.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 7 @ 0.000726 = 0.0051 BTC [+]
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594579 / 0.006 (30568 shares, 181.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.005599 / 0.006225 (409396 shares, 2,292.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616121 / 0.0069 (3629525 shares, 22,362.28 BTC)
mircea_popescu: vampireb hey, are you vampire on forum ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 108 @ 0.0059998 = 0.648 BTC [-]
vampireb: correct.
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: thanks for the offer, but vps couldn't really take it.
vampireb: you probably should extend the irc bot to show depth
mircea_popescu: $depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/5Xw7ySxD
mircea_popescu: but anyway, you can go to mpex.coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: and enjoy the mpex site in all its glory.
vampireb: i dont really need to go there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.592 = 1.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.59100005 = 8.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5850001 = 5.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.585 = 2.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.581 = 20.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.581 = 2.324 BTC [-]
vampireb: chromebooks are awesome, except can't remap keys. which makes using irssi a challenge
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225274 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 517 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4893908.51557 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.04321
vampireb: by the time i;ll get my asic from brl the diff will be at 10mil
vampireb: bfl
mircea_popescu: yu'e getting an asic from bfl ?
mircea_popescu: what sorcery is this
vampireb: the hot one, jalapeno. ~160 is pocket change
dub: the only thing for sure with bfl is that there will be eleventy threads created about them today
kakobrekla: i read that 'yu'e getting an ascii from bfl ?'
vampireb: oh may be getting
vampireb: i dont follow "hardware" topics
mircea_popescu: thing is the asic market is huge.
mircea_popescu: i'd buy some if there actually existed any.
vampireb: i just needed a coffee cup warmer, i hopefully they can deliver that at least
kakobrekla: coffe cup warmers dont work
kakobrekla: i had a glass made specifically for it
kakobrekla: with a flat and metal surface
kakobrekla: and it worked shit.
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148335.msg1609151#msg1609151 I thought those looked like even worse underfill examples not chipped die
kakobrekla: suface = bottom
BitHub: can i buy something right now they'll at least make me 1btc a day, even when all the avalons come or whatever i can still mine 1btc a day?
BitHub: that will sorry
vampireb: no?
vampireb: the mining diffuculty will go up
BitHub: ghey
dub: you could buy a 1btc/day mining contract
BitHub: i could?
dub: sure, I'll sell you one for 60btc/month
BitHub: done send me all your details
kakobrekla: earth months?
BitHub: anyone want any asicminer shares? i want out
dub: how much?
BitHub: 1.8 btc each
dub: sounds legit
BitHub: for you dubs 2.0
mod6: well looks like intrade is done: http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "make bitbet more like intrade"
mircea_popescu: BitHub maybe shares or bonds.
BitHub: hmmm
BitHub: i already tried that
dub: has dice commented on the downtime?
mircea_popescu: didn't work too good ?
mircea_popescu: dub not afaik.
mircea_popescu: but im guessing ddos.
BitHub: it was okey just want to do something myself or mine some coins myself or something
mircea_popescu: ah yes
vampireb: dice is on amazon
mircea_popescu: that drives many.
mircea_popescu: vampireb so ?
vampireb: so ddos shouldnt be as effective :)
BitHub: waiting for something new to put my coins into
mircea_popescu: vampireb i lost some amazons,
mircea_popescu: jurov lost one too. it can be done.
vampireb: it can be done, no denying that.
dub: looks like its up
mircea_popescu: i just sent a less than 1
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01989 BTC [+]
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/06Yf5w4j
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.71717, Best ask: 45.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18283, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 36180.55424484, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.81412
benkay: was the mpex bot not spitting back at dpaste just recently?
benkay: i coulda swore...
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0 seconds
Josh_Rossi: whats up everyone
Josh_Rossi: http://imgur.com/O7ioK9D&NkxCSHS
Josh_Rossi: let me know what you think lol
kakobrekla: whats that
Josh_Rossi: my first attempt at logo design lol
kakobrekla: a duck
Josh_Rossi: it's not great
Josh_Rossi: black swan
kakobrekla: goes quack no?
Josh_Rossi: hehehe
Josh_Rossi: yeah
mircea_popescu: that's not a logo dood. what do you think a logo is ?
dub: at first glance its says bitches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay assbot spits dpaste, mpexbot pastebin
mircea_popescu: redundancy ftw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [-]
benkay: y u no give me plain json?
benkay: with this freepaste services
benkay: parse all the things...
mircea_popescu: they have raw ?
benkay: i'm not serious
Josh_Rossi: well it was mostly for the login page on the google apps website
Josh_Rossi: so it wouldn't need to have google logo
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi a logo is not an image, as in, a bmp.
mircea_popescu: a logo is a design, such as a vector file.
mircea_popescu: a concept anyway. must be scalable.
Josh_Rossi: yes
Josh_Rossi: this was just for that specific image
Josh_Rossi: which was limited to 159x43 px or something like that
mircea_popescu: mkay.
Josh_Rossi: hold on, i'll show you how it looks
mircea_popescu: i lost my less than 1 bet
mircea_popescu: fucking scam.
Josh_Rossi: http://imgur.com/5UYrCwq
Josh_Rossi: anyway, just a first step
Josh_Rossi: i was masochistic, so I used GIMP
kakobrekla: whats the service about
Josh_Rossi: Eventually it should be an investment vehicle
Josh_Rossi: ie. you can get shares in your brokerage account, and basically track the broad based bitcoin economy
Josh_Rossi: that's the ultimate goal
Josh_Rossi: an etf
Josh_Rossi: till then, just having fun trying to build things
Josh_Rossi: have a few projects, but I figured I would need a site, and all the other stuff eventually and that was the best domain name i could find
BitHub: i'm selling digicreds.com if you're intrested
Josh_Rossi: i got btcshares, btc-etf, and one other one
Josh_Rossi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00000, Best ask: 46.22987, Bid-ask spread: 0.22987, Last trade: 46.22887, 24 hour volume: 33473.44140151, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.74346
kakobrekla: i have bitcoin-assets.com and it has ass so beat that.
Josh_Rossi: that is an awesome one
Josh_Rossi: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594598 / 0.006 (30676 shares, 182.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0055991 / 0.006225 (409504 shares, 2,292.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616274 / 0.0069 (3619271 shares, 22,304.65 BTC)
kakobrekla: ya it was free until like a week ago
Josh_Rossi: pretty sweet
mircea_popescu: titsets.
BitHub: hehe @ it has ass
BitHub: i think i found the right music for a bitcoin type action film
BitHub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JuBsif1RqM
dub: I think this is more appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EG-MKy4so
error4733: BitHub : or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCuYX4ZGLuA
BitHub: hehe checking them out
BitHub: hah dub wtf
BitHub: that's definitly the soundtrack to the mircea character
dub: please tell me you've seen that before
BitHub: haha nah man
dub: if not, you've failed at internet
BitHub: that's because i win at real life
BitHub: rubber chicken, nice
error4733: old school
dub: if the film coveres bitcointalk you'll need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15fB7E28Zs
BitHub: hah yeah this one i've seen
BitHub: seems like more of a 4chan theme
dub: 4chan is a much more serious and useful site than bitcointalk
error4733: sunday : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JmXCNPs6Y
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: id put this one
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdvTkddp1F0
dub: seen teh new one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq57BjBVq7o
BitHub: i'm not working on a bitcoin film heh but i am intrested in making some bitcoin commercials
kakobrekla: lyrics aint that bad
kakobrekla: but the song
kakobrekla: ugh.
error4733: This is Bitcoin ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qAfUhoubbDQ 200m/h
error4733: kako : haha priceless
BitHub: hah error heard that one
error4733: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WiXMcsfvXE
error4733: BTC at $5 in background
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0059998 = 1.5 BTC [-]
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/P3vXpBCB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
smickles: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: smickles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
smickles: bah
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/4QrxFBuQ
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mircea_popescu: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9920666/Germanys-anti-euro-party-is-a-nasty-shock-for-Angela-Merkel.html
mircea_popescu: fuckwit should never have allied with the russians.
smickles: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: smickles: {u'S': [[100000, 10000], [75000, 244641], [77988, 1399], [78500, 500000], [78000, 500000], [76718, 17454], [100000000, 10000], [78984, 23163], [79000, 450000], [1000000, 2000], [10000000, 2000], [77999, 54540], [1000000, 100000]], u'B': [[53500, 168150], [101, 10000000], [55000, 340602], [100, 10000000], [38150, 14391957], [55500, 150000], [40000, 150000], [55501, 500], [38151, 5000], (1 more message)
smickles: har!
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/LfUZXwdm
benkay: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: benkay: {u'S': [[100000, 10000], [75000, 244641], [77988, 1399], [78500, 500000], [78000, 500000], [76718, 17454], [100000000, 10000], [78984, 23163], [79000, 450000], [1000000, 2000], [10000000, 2000], [77999, 54540], [1000000, 100000]], u'B': [[53500, 168150], [101, 10000000], [55000, 340602], [100, 10000000], [38150, 14391957], [55500, 150000], [40000, 150000], [55501, 500], [38151, 5000], (1 more message)
benkay: implying there's a max message size on this irc network?
mircea_popescu: that's kinda spammy
mircea_popescu: smickles could it return just 4 each side ?
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/3Xs9nGD8
benkay: $depth
benkay: this is getting annoying.
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/MgkTxcBr
kakobrekla: fuckin people.
benkay: what now?
kakobrekla: im no good for support
kakobrekla: get too upset.
mircea_popescu: aww!
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's spammy now b/c it's just the primitive. I plan to do exactly what you say, a range around the center. for now, peeps should just use it in pm
mircea_popescu: kk
smickles: benkay: can I make it better somehow?
smickles: like this http://imgur.com/fwa71Fj maybe?
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg1609580#msg1609580 repentance I am dissapoint
mircea_popescu: what, repentance is here ?
dub: idk
dub: doubt it
benkay: what's that?
benkay: something custom?
benkay: product in the wild?
smickles: benkay: an mpex gui which i'm developing
smickles: should work on linux, win, mac, and android
smickles: each of those platforms has all the dependancies it requires
smickles: iOS? no
benkay: neat
benkay: of course not
benkay: that damn platform
smickles: not to mention i don't have a mac, and you need xcode to make an ios app
benkay: see above
benkay: that's cool
dub: that and nobody uses iphone
dub: barrign fanboys and homosexuals
smickles: you could sa the same about windows
smickles: ;D
benkay: there's this one market i'm interested in
benkay: lots of disposable income
benkay: sold on ui investments
dub: its homos
benkay: enlightened commentary
MJR_: nice
smickles: dub, not homos, dinks
mircea_popescu: dub homosexuals trade too you know
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [-]
MJR_: I finally got pgp working on the iPhone
MJR_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
benkay: bigotry aside, i'd actually like the full json in this irc channel
benkay: or another
mircea_popescu: wd MJR_
smickles: wow, I thought you addy was 1Loki for a sec there
dub: im a dink and she's only got one cause its work provided
mircea_popescu: benkay full json what ?
benkay: depth
benkay: $vwap
pigeons: dont talk to him, we dont need his kind here, fuckin macs
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/3Z4a24q1
smickles: dub: work provided baby?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [-]
MJR_: I know, it was a close one
MJR_: I kinda want a vanity address
dub: smickles: iphone
benkay: i just don't really like the tiny little bit of fragility that parsing that url introduces
dub: you can't be a dink with a baby
benkay: it's not a big deal though because i think i'm going to cache the ticker
benkay: *shrug*
benkay: thoughts?
smickles: benkay: would you prefer the raw pastebin?
benkay: much
benkay: a url pointing directly to raw makes me much more the happy
smickles: i'll switch it then
benkay: !
benkay: thanks.
dub: this is gold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZs4Gj2lKw
mircea_popescu: benkay incidentally, why not suck directly the url ?
mircea_popescu: or what are you trying to do ?
benkay: 'cause scraping
benkay: don' wanna
mircea_popescu: uh listen
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-vwap.php
benkay: bril.
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-mktdepth.php
mircea_popescu: it's where the bot gets them from
benkay: okay
benkay: thanks
mircea_popescu: obviously you shoudl code proxy-aware and bot-aware, but for a begining this should bridge you i think
mircea_popescu: at least to prototype
benkay: i'm going to go ragedelete a whole branch
benkay: brb
benkay: back
benkay: jokes, 90% of it's reusable.
Ukto: wonder how long it will be till someone ddos' coinbr
Ukto: i'm sure bitvps will love that :P
mircea_popescu: Ukto that was yest's news,
dub: presumably he moved off shitvps
Ukto: oh?
mircea_popescu: they got their dinky little dc blown to bits, jurov moved
Ukto: mircea_popescu: sorry, i spend my days working. :P
benkay: mircea_popescu: what data feeds do you recommend for production sites hooking into mpex?
mircea_popescu: benkay my name is going to become "what are you trying to do"
Ukto: mircea_popescu: i am offering a new service
Ukto: or considering making it available
Ukto: that would be very good for this kinda thing
Ukto: pm me if your interested
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
Ukto: :)
mircea_popescu: is it secret ?!
Ukto: since its not public yet
Ukto: :)
mircea_popescu: lol k
smickles: benkay: try it now :)
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hzJcCSeG
benkay: beautimous
benkay: except that now i know about the coinbr data feed
benkay: and that doesn't change urls every 2 minutes
benkay: ;)
smickles: heh, it's much the same data, no worries :)
benkay: thanks
smickles: the bot is mostly a backup anyway
benkay: it's great that you're open to suggestions like that
benkay: fast turnaround on something i didn't even ask for
smickles: thanks for the kind words
mircea_popescu: actually the raw response is prolly better
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250N] 15 @ 0.07613082 = 1.142 BTC
benkay: low bar for kindness in these parts
benkay: ;)
mircea_popescu: <MJR_> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
mircea_popescu: * MJR_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
mircea_popescu: lol.
MJR_: was a test...crashed my app
smickles: heh, have you seen some of the trolls around bitcoin. I should take it as kind that you haven't called me an incestuous pole vaulter or smt
MJR_: but you should be able to decrypt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.35007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.35 = 1.4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: MJR_ it kicked you for spam.
MJR_: oh ok
MJR_: the message was too long?
mircea_popescu: too fast.
kakobrekla: that would be excess flood then
MJR_: oh
kakobrekla: dunno
MJR_: should have pasted to dpaste
kakobrekla: not a closed connect.
kakobrekla: anyway im off
kakobrekla: later
MJR_: see
MJR_: you later
benkay: i've seen what constitutes ye olde online community
MJR_: mircea_popescu: could you decrypt it?
mircea_popescu: MJR_ it kicked you for spam. <<
MJR_: ah, you didn't get the whole thing then?
benkay: arguably the only thing i
benkay: i've ever learned about irc is to just rise above it
benkay: no matter what "it" is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-]
benkay: drama wise
mircea_popescu: just what you saw.
MJR_: oh ok hold on
smickles: ;;gpg info smickles
gribble: User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 12:24:35 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=smickles . Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@67.222.146.32 .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [-]
topace_: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.58100000 / 0.59986625 / 0.61999910 (296 shares, 177.56040896 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.51862844 / 0.62950000 (1570 shares, 814.24665115 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63440004 / 0.76500000 (5705 shares, 3619.25223897 BTC)
MJR_: http://dpaste.com/1018904/
topace_: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594641 / 0.006 (30926 shares, 183.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00559971 / 0.006225 (408254 shares, 2,286.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616299 / 0.0069 (3616799 shares, 22,290.33 BTC)
MJR_: mircea_popescu: that should work
mircea_popescu: okay.
mircea_popescu: it did.
topace_: !ticker h him
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.69000000 / 1.72102475 / 1.75000000 (24 shares, 41.30459400 BTC), 7D: 1.40001001 / 1.56164063 / 1.75000000 (149 shares, 232.68445435 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 3.13202977 / 18.00000000 (247 shares, 773.61135435 BTC)
MJR_: nice! encryption on the iPhone :)
MJR_: and tor browser
MJR_: I would like to create a text message app that would auto encrypt texts, and allow the other side to decrypt easily
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: careful not to mess the key safety tho
the-bucket-shop: lot of dead bodies of companies who've tried encrypted im
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01989 BTC [+]
MJR_: yeah
BitHub: silentcircle.com
the-bucket-shop: sigaba
MJR_: figure the key exchange maps to "friend request"
BitHub: do this for bitcoin plz :)
smickles: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 05:39:10 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01989 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
MJR_: I've always thought someone should make a social network/im that is totally encrypted, so no one but your "friends" can even possibly see your content
MJR_: like not even the host knows what you are posting
mircea_popescu: kinda a good idea
BitHub: blockchain.info style
BitHub: it's badly needed mjr
the-bucket-shop: badly needed until you ask for money. then suddenly in the clear is just fine. except for day trading of course
MJR_: lol
MJR_: im just an ADHD person
MJR_: silent circle looks interesting
BitHub: and being able to catgorize posts
BitHub: fb timeline is so shit
MJR_: yes exactly!
BitHub: i want to click on youtube and see all the youtube links i've posted
MJR_: and they mine your data
BitHub: and intergrate it with bitcoin
BitHub: so can have social media payments
MJR_: yeah that would be awesome
MJR_: I actually think that there can be a role for banks as service providers
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00544 BTC [-]
MJR_: as opposed to lenders/crooks
the-bucket-shop: banks think that too
MJR_: well...in bitcoin land it actually makes sense
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00544 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [-]
MJR_: I think one problem is that of convenience...and they can handle recurring payments etc.
BitHub: i'd like to see like a youtube clone where you can pay for a stream or HQ dl via bitcoin or tipstream
MJR_: that would be cool
the-bucket-shop: corncobs can handle recurring payments
MJR_: what is that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
BitHub: i'm working on something
the-bucket-shop: spelling corncobs = cronjobs
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1999 = 0.3998 BTC [+]
MJR_: true
the-bucket-shop: corncobs are for smoking
MJR_: also true
[\\\]: hey mircea_popescu
BitHub: well i want to make a movie and as an experiment see if maybe it plays for 5mins or something and then'll it'll stop and ask for like some btc to watch the rest of the stream or you can dl my video with a quick bitcoin payment
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0057 = 0.0114 BTC [-]
[\\\]: tap your bish on the head for me
[\\\]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141503.msg1607217#msg1607217
MJR_: I meant for people who know how to check email
mircea_popescu: [\\\] hey slashes
[\\\]: I lol'd for that one
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000726 = 0.0015 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: she's got teeth on her that one does she.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
MJR_: im really curious if someone will try a fractional reserve banking thing with bitcoins
mircea_popescu: mtgox
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.18997 BTC [+]
MJR_: oh yeah true...though I thought the coupons were based on their cash
MJR_: also I heard they had to stop that
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's not really proven or anything. more like konspiraci theory
MJR_: well, I guess it could be done aboveboard...more like CD's than demand deposits
mircea_popescu: MJR_ nobody will wait for the bitcoin payment to clear to watch their movie.
MJR_: well that was BitHub
MJR_: but also with micropayments I doubt you will wait
BitHub: do you mean because of the confirm?
mircea_popescu: yes
BitHub: bitcoin fail
MJR_: also, 6 confirms is arbitrary...really comes down to your levels of trust
mircea_popescu: i had txs waited for 6 hours just to be included two days ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: when the chaos was happening.
BitHub: try sitting at cafe for 6hours
BitHub: run out of shit to talk about after 2
mircea_popescu: and i have old coinbases and etc. average joe with smallish inputs... ouch.
BitHub: i never want to see that person again
MJR_: the Jon Stewart vs Bill O'Reilly was like that, $5 to watch
mircea_popescu: were they naked ?
MJR_: lol
BitHub: lul
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
MJR_: Im so glad you didn't mean bill O'Reilly
mircea_popescu: [\\\] btw, you seen inau anywhere ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.5789 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140472.msg1608597#msg1608597
mircea_popescu: cablepair tagged
MJR_: I miss polimedia
MJR_: the forum is boring
mircea_popescu: MJR_ im all backed up here lol, get prepared cause when it goes back online it'll rain articles
MJR_: nice
pizzaman1337: interesting to see the face behind S.DICE, he also mentions the "bitinstant bitcoin debit card" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLYmjXsydM
mircea_popescu: you never saw evoorhees' ugly mug before ?
MJR_: lol
pizzaman1337: only the mask
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
MJR_: his office is 7 blocks from mine
MJR_: I wish I knew the overlap between iPhone jailbreakers and bitcoins
BitHub: ?
mircea_popescu: MJR_ there was some dude jailbreaking anything in the forum,
MJR_: for example, cydia doesn't let you pay with btc
MJR_: which to me seems obvious
pizzaman1337: MJR_: I asked saurik about that once, let me see if I can find his response
MJR_: I've never bought one thing there
MJR_: cuz too much hassle and don't want my cc info floating around
MJR_: also, freenode
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.19879 BTC [+]
MJR_: another obvious one
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: obvious what ?
MJR_: they seem sorry that they can only accept cc and Paypal
MJR_: on their donation page
mircea_popescu: a a
MJR_: I was going to get a cloak
mircea_popescu: o yeah wtf happened to those
pizzaman1337: MJR_: http://pastie.org/pastes/6448246/text?key=s0rdeomgzommfp93xtapw
MJR_: pizzaman1337: lol taxes
mircea_popescu: heh.
MJR_: what chan are they usually on?
pizzaman1337: if he needed to convert it to fiat to payout devs, it might not be unavoidable
pizzaman1337: private chans, different irc server..
dub: MJR_: just ask in #freenode
MJR_: pizzaman1337: sucks
pizzaman1337: yeah
MJR_: also, anonymous...also seems like an obvious fit
MJR_: and perhaps they are using it
MJR_: they are after all anonymous
MJR_: but you would think they would be more vocal as they hate banks etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.583 = 5.83 BTC [-]
dub: whats anonymous?
BitHub: did mircea pay his taxes this year?
BitHub: :P
MJR_: the hacktivist group
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005425 = 0.0109 BTC [-]
dub: there is no hacktavist group
MJR_: whatever
dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them ☟︎
MJR_: the people who "hack" and refer to themselves as "Anonymous"
dub: thats like 7 people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5810005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5810003 = 5.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.581 = 5.81 BTC [-]
dub: the rest are just hitting f5
MJR_: that's fine
MJR_: was not referring to their skill
MJR_: but rather their inferred ideals
mircea_popescu: BitHub sure dood.
dub: it requires at least as much skill to use bitcoins as breath through ones nose
mircea_popescu: dub how do you explain most cocksuckers can't use bitcoin ? ☟︎
dub: which excludes anyone that refers to themself as anon
MJR_: dub: wait, not sure if you mean it's easy or hard
BitHub: its hard
dub: its harder than hitting f5
BitHub: even for people who aren't totally noob at internet
MJR_: really?
BitHub: just takes some time
MJR_: ok. I agree
MJR_: but I think it's relatively easy
MJR_: the hardest part is getting btc
BitHub: that is getting harder
MJR_: and that is only hard because of lame banks and difficulty of moving money
BitHub: sorry i mean it is hard at first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.580001 = 1.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.570001 = 1.71 BTC [-]
BitHub: really hard
MJR_: once you have some it is simple
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7 = 16.1 BTC [+]
MJR_: tell me the tipbot on Reddit is hard
BitHub: reddit is hard
BitHub: i only go to the bitcoin subredit
MJR_: hahaha, maybe hard to set up if you want to donate
MJR_: but I think for people receiving it, it's easy
BitHub: life's hard
MJR_: lol
BitHub: !
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.719999 = 7.2 BTC [+]
MJR_: it creates a wallet for you
jurov: hi all, http://mpex.coinbr.com/mpex-mktdepth.php fixed to be plain json
BitHub: i'm just over learning new shit all the time
MJR_: hi jurov
jurov: there's special config for it cause by default things are cached 15 mins
jurov: and i left jsonp part there
mircea_popescu: mystery unravelled
smickles: mircea_popescu: give $proxies a go
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: coolness.
jurov: oh no
mircea_popescu: jurov ; this is intended to function as a permanent and maintained proxy list
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so that everyone can write code referencing here and always be online.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
BitHub: how come no mpex room?
dub: really its a ddos c&c
mircea_popescu: even with distributed clients, or w/e
dub: :)
jurov: seems like everyone else is too afraid to get listed?
mircea_popescu: dub ayup
dub: dupe it to $target
mircea_popescu: jurov you get the standing ovation of being the only one there for a bit :D
mircea_popescu: but anyway, anyone writing code for mpex interfacing, bear the list in mind.
smickles: mircea_popescu and myself can add to the list with $proxies <pastebin paste key to a signed json array of proxies>
mircea_popescu: the end scenario here is that the internet ends but mpex survives by now.
smickles: and now...
smickles: beer
the-bucket-shop: bbs?
smickles: let me pull out my 8000 baud modem
smickles: the-bucket-shop: no, next step, global meshnet
MJR_: smickles: that would be awesome
dub: someone was talking about a bitcoin over ham radio protocol a while bac
smickles: with nodes receiving their due in bitcoin for opperating
smickles: automagically
MJR_: ham would be cool
dub: but a network of phone numbers with modems would be really easy
MJR_: but I think at least in urban areas
MJR_: wifi will work best
jurov: don't forget to throw some fax numbers in the mix
MJR_: lol
smickles: multi-frequency mesnet. hams could jump the long distances, wifi for cities
MJR_: yeah
MJR_: now with 5ghz wifi
smickles: ham > 250 or w/o line of site < 250
the-bucket-shop: i was sitting on sidelines for mpoe shares until I watched you guys knock this thing up. I'm a shareholder now because of it…
smickles: 250 miles that is
MJR_: bandwidth is no problem
dub: dialup nodes should already be there tbh
MJR_: the-bucket-shop: welcome :)
dub: costs nothing but a phone number
dub: much more resilient than internet and most radio
MJR_: well...relies on existing infrastructure under others control
mircea_popescu: actually the plan was to have tcp/ip reimpremented over pigeons ☟︎
MJR_: lolz
dub: no different to anything else
dub: and pstn still stays up well after teh lights go out (mostly)
smickles: see, that's why meshnet is awesome, you contribute what you have, even if it is just a pigeon
MJR_: well a community could implement a wireless mesh network under their control
smickles: it all falls down to power tho
dub: MJR_: thats other peoples infrastructure too
smickles: they can shut off the grid
smickles: they can stop shipments of gas
MJR_: I meant AT&T not your neighbor
jurov: let us bouce teh orderz from ionosphere
MJR_: and get sun/wind
jurov: *bounce
dub: only ham works in that case
smickles: solar and wind power would be easily spotted,dissappeared
MJR_: bitcoin in a walking dead type world
smickles: we're just fucked. lets stop now
smickles: ;D
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/xiaolai/status/302410515953623040
mircea_popescu: dafuck
dub: walking dead world only takes a few years to resolve though
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's the scribbles mean on that?
dub: theres what 400k people in america?
mircea_popescu: no idea
MJR_: guy Fawkes mask
BitHub: is that who did the ddos?
dub: probably at least that many bullets in your avg small town
MJR_: dub: 400k in America?
pizzaman1337: google translate says "It turned out that the Chinese people do ah! Mailboxes are"
dub: idk
MJR_: lol
dub: is it less?
smickles: most people with guy fawkes masks want to overthrow the gov't and replace it w/ a theocracy. just like guy fawkes, right?
dub: 400M rather
MJR_: smickles: not that I know of
MJR_: dub: there u go lol, I was confused
dub: still, not that many zombies to clean up
mircea_popescu: BitHub i don't think so.
smickles: MJR_: so why do they wear guy fawkes masks?
dub: smickles: because they want to hit f5
smickles: they should turn it up to f11
BitHub: betsotbitcoin who ddos mpex?
BitHub: of
dub: that scientology raid has a lot to answer for
dub: there is no mask wearing legion
MJR_: anti-cyber-surveillance;
mircea_popescu: gabridome hey, link to your github again ?
MJR_: well
smickles: mircea_popescu: https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh
smickles: go figure
MJR_: they apparently want to fight against banks, religions that are mean, and govt spying
mircea_popescu: ty
dub: occupy wasn't anon
MJR_: yes
MJR_: t
MJR_: you are right
MJR_: but there was some overlap
MJR_: anti-cyber-surveillance;
pizzaman1337: I'm assuming the options with ids ending in "T" are "this month" and "N" are "next month"?
smickles: yup
smickles: last friday of the month
jurov: pizzaman1337, yes
pizzaman1337: it might be a good idea to put that in the FAQ, didn't see it there
dub: fighting against govt spying is just trolling
smickles: i loved it when some guy said that the options' ids were needlessly complicated and incomprehensible... i pointed out an option on google. i won.
dub: govt has been looking at everything for a long time
dub: that cow is out the gate
smickles: dub: cow tipping is a prized sport where i come from
dub: THATs why the right to bear arms is so important
smickles: shoot the cow tippers
smickles: ?
dub: you need arms to tip a cow
smickles: lol
[\\\]: not true
dub: its all clear now
[\\\]: feet.
dub: how are you going to open the gate?
MJR_: lol, I don't understand the logic in maintaining a "right" from the people you need that right to protect yourself from
[\\\]: feet.
[\\\]: Cow gates aren't complicated.
MJR_: govt. give me the right to have a gun, so that I can stop you from taking my gun?
[\\\]: Its not like they've got combo dials
mircea_popescu: smickles lol
dub: MJR_: neither, its like but you elected them?
smickles: MJR_: well, it started out from the perspective that gov't should be subserviant (sp?) to individuals
MJR_: to me, it is seeming like gives are increasingly less relevant
mircea_popescu: subservient
MJR_: govts*
smickles: the right doesn't come from the gov't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
smickles: it is put upon the gov't
MJR_: I agree
smickles: thx mircea_popescu :)
MJR_: point being, what they choose to do doesn't matter
MJR_: only brought up govt bc most people in murica refer to the 2nd amendment
dub: [\\\]: you've got to lift the little springy bit holding the chain latching teh gate shut
mircea_popescu: you can do that with your tit
smickles: MJR_: thing is, the 2nd amendment doesn't prevent them from taking the guns, it just prevents them from making a law to prohibit gun ownership
MJR_: if you trust them to follow rules...
mircea_popescu: A dollar spent mining bitcoins in 2010 now worth $53K.
mircea_popescu: hehe.
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.72010, Best ask: 46.98800, Bid-ask spread: 0.26790, Last trade: 46.98898, 24 hour volume: 30169.98410034, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.70000, 24 hour vwap: 46.51254
the-bucket-shop: 2nd amendment protects encryption too - as well as probably bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;view
gribble: #13941 Sun Mar 10 09:58:52 2013 smickles SELL 20.0 btc @ 49.82 usd (None)
MJR_: they stopped classifying encryption as a munition
smickles: yeah, pgp busted that
MJR_: I posted a link to that xkcd
smickles: i've got a copy of the original pgp source code somewhere
smickles: printed when that whole debacle was going on
smickles: people are great, gov't is liek: it's illegal to distribute that code!! peeps are like: let's print it in a book and send it everywhere!!!!
mircea_popescu: lo lyup
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so intrade is shut down. where's all the experts advising bitbet should be more like intrade ?
smickles: a good copy of that book is worth upwards of 100 usd now iirc
mircea_popescu: that's what i want to know. for all the posturing and pretense when they're wrong but don't know it yet,
mircea_popescu: where's the humility and apologetics when it's proven they were in fact wrong ?
mircea_popescu: *crickets*
[\\\]: I'm sorry.
[\\\]: There, I said it.
mircea_popescu: lol were you the guy with the emails ?
MJR_: :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: not likely, imsa is quite a good troll
[\\\]: I made no comments about intrade or bitbet
smickles: ;)
mircea_popescu: there was this one guy, jesus, i even blogged about him
[\\\]: but I can be humble and apologetic.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] wd!
mircea_popescu: [\\\] for this weeks' bitcoin jesus
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: you're blogging about jesus?
[\\\]: is that bible 2.0?
mircea_popescu: ahahah
smickles: wait, bitcoin jesus was an actual topic?
mircea_popescu: nono, this guy explaining to me the virtues of intradelineness
smickles: not just a joke the other day?
mircea_popescu: jesus is just an expletive
mircea_popescu: like fuck
[\\\]: but that isn't clear from your text
[\\\]: your girl would rip you on it.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: i pay her to point outwards
mircea_popescu: not inwards.
smickles: so, it's "bitcoin JESUS!"
MJR_: not to confuse but I think bitcoin Jesus was def a topic
[\\\]: is that why she wears a strapon?
mircea_popescu: [\\\] it's a spikeon
[\\\]: you're a kinky fellow
mircea_popescu: better kinky than cooky i always say.
[\\\]: smickles, its well after bedtime. I claim no credit for my antics.
MJR_: 👍
bitfoo: +1 for informative titles
mircea_popescu: also max keiser is going bitcoincrazy
[\\\]: who is max keiser?
mircea_popescu: this nutjob guy
smickles: [\\\]: beer 4 here, any neat stuff i say is lucky
[\\\]: did anyone see the tweet from the old, self proclaimed bitcoin jesus?
MJR_: that's when bitcoin Jesus came up
mircea_popescu: Timothy Maxwell "Max" Keiser is an American broadcaster and film-maker. He hosts Keiser Report, a financial program broadcast on RT.
smickles: s/neat/witty/
MJR_: I like that chick from RT
smickles: his name would be timothy
[\\\]: smickles, I knew what you meant. You're well paste neat, trending towards sloppy.
mircea_popescu: that;'s him MJR_
[\\\]: past*
MJR_: He is crazy
mircea_popescu: [\\\] he';s not sloppy, shampoo is just very expensive where he lives.
[\\\]: Whatever happened to all of the different bitcoin vblogs?
MJR_: lol
[\\\]: There used to be all of these different 'shows'
MJR_: avoid the keiser report
[\\\]: back when coins were like 'free'
smickles: lol, mircea_popescu my wife just told me to wash my hair too
mircea_popescu: we clearly have a konspiraci
[\\\]: smickles, I'm pretty certain she was talking about your ass.
Rick__: f1b69921 expired?
MJR_: I think there is a conspiracy going on to change the spelling to konspiraci
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 14 @ 0.000726 = 0.0102 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Rick__ yes rick, need to switch over to new key.
smickles: /¯(°_o)/¯
mircea_popescu: did you see the announcement last month ?
Rick__: where is the new key?
mircea_popescu: k 1 sec
[\\\]: smickles, what is that?
jurov: [\\\] drunk reddit alien
smickles: [\\\]: it's the i dunno lol dog with one arm backwards
[\\\]: oh
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7
smickles: looks like a zombie to me
[\\\]: it was blending with Rick__
[\\\]: confusing the look
Rick__: I cant open this website
Rick__: dont know why
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
[\\\]: jesus
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: mk 1 sec
Rick__: did you put the new key in the faq?
smickles: woah, can't open pastebin?
mircea_popescu: he;s in china
Rick__: yeah
Rick__: it's chinese issue
mircea_popescu: Rick__ http://dpaste.com/1018975/
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
smickles: that's like not being able to go to Rick__.isgay.com back in the 90's
jurov: Rick__ and mpex.coinbr.com works or it was harmonized, too?
mircea_popescu: harmonized lol
mircea_popescu: roflmao
MJR_: lol
Rick__: yes it works now
mircea_popescu: a cool.
jurov: yea, that's official term
mircea_popescu: more like hummerized
[\\\]: aww
Rick__: thank you all
[\\\]: they got ride of the wildcard cna
[\\\]: cname
mircea_popescu: poor rick tho. he's had a full weekend
mircea_popescu: what with all the emerging surprises
[\\\]: it was always fun to point people to meatspin
[\\\]: http://smickles.loves.meatspin.com
smickles: was?
[\\\]: but the wildcard is gone, so it doesn't work now
[\\\]: only http://meatspin.com
mircea_popescu: doesn't resolve smickles
MJR_: error 503...
smickles: it's hard enough to find goatse, even, anymore
MJR_: for me
MJR_: I was talking about mpex.coinbr
[\\\]: http://www.goatse.bz/
MJR_: !proxies
smickles: what's leve is http://youtu.be/oHg5SJYRHA0
smickles: and such
smickles: MJR_: $
[\\\]: http://www.prolapseman.com/
MJR_: $proxies
mpexbot: MJR_: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: hum it's fine here MJR_
[\\\]: http://www.walkthedinosaur.com/
smickles: badgerbadgerbadger.com
Rick__: did you put the new key in the faq?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ not yet.
smickles: i don't think so
Rick__: okay
smickles: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user mircea_popescu, with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
smickles: but he's legit
mircea_popescu: Rick__ i'll be doing the updates of that nature once we get stuff back online and runnign smoothly
mircea_popescu: it was announced early feb and since then but
mircea_popescu: obviously some people missed it
Rick__: okay
MJR_: Ltc hit .40 should have waited a few hours to dump lol
error4733: srlsy ?
jurov: MJR_: don't worry over it, prolly will crash soon
MJR_: oh I know
error4733: please yes
error4733: need to load hehe
MJR_: I only am mining it because I have 28 cores doing nothing
error4733: make sens
error4733: ...
MJR_: and I can't get cash to btc-e otherwise
jurov: i guess it will crash while i'll be waiting for litecoind to sync. i have such luck
mircea_popescu: the june 2010 peak looks so pathetic from up here
MJR_: that's where my deposit came from today jurov :)
MJR_: by the way, im not sure what you guys use, but im loving gnucash
MJR_: and if it's at all possible to generate ofx files it would be awesome!
smickles: so if you anticipated the rise, amazon cloud mining would've been very profitable
smickles: may 15 2011, was when that howto was posted
BitHub: can i pay miner fees in ltc instead?
smickles: miner fees? like bitcoin tx fees?
smickles: jesus fuck, bitcoin was under 6 usd on may 11 2011. leveraging amazon cloud would made bank
smickles: then you still had that whole fall to 2
smickles: ;;calc .38 / 9 * 45
gribble: 1.9
smickles: oh, maybe not :/
smickles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8405.msg126121#msg126121
smickles: "Congratulations! You've just discovered a ceiling above which price of bitcoin will never rise (at current difficulty). 20/0.38 = 52.63 USD/BTC."
MJR_: wtf? tesla only gets 80mh/s
smickles: MJR_: that was some time ago
smickles: improvements have been made
MJR_: I can imagine
MJR_: my fpga project is coming along
MJR_: hmm. think getting a ticker price on Bloomberg is possible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
random_cat: mpex dead?
smickles: nope
smickles: $proxies
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
smickles: $list SupyMPEx
mpexbot: smickles: depth, post, proxies, and vwap
smickles: $help post
mpexbot: smickles: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
random_cat: nm.. had wrong url
mircea_popescu: hi random_cat
random_cat: howdy mircea_popescu
Franktank: Anyone selling ASICMiner shares at 0.6/share?
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.70633 / 0.79899 (146 shares, 103.1 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68884 / 1 (1322 shares, 910.6 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68884 / 1 (1322 shares, 910.6 BTC)
mircea_popescu: not yet that ow is it.
Franktank: What?
smickles: kakobrekla: what do you think about putting !help and $list SupyMPEx in the topic?
mircea_popescu: asicminer. not yet quite at .6
mircea_popescu: smickles pms
Franktank: I don't know what you mean mircea
mircea_popescu: asicminer-pt is the btct.co listed passthrough for asicminer.
mircea_popescu: it has traded between .65 and about 1.
mircea_popescu: it dropped recently, but not as low as .6
MJR_: mircea_popescu: what was the bond interest rate last month?
Franktank: Why has it dropped? It's current the best stock right now, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: not in any estimation i'm familiar with. what do you mean "best" ?
mircea_popescu: MJR_ 5%ish iirc.
mircea_popescu: want me to look ?
Franktank: MJR?
MJR_: no worries
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/310915333592588289 lol this guy.
MJR_: just want to diversify this month, we'll see
mircea_popescu: he's been on some interview, and every 5 minutes, "hey, did i mention i'm a bitcoin millionaire ?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
Franktank: Well what is considered better than ASICMiner in your opinion?
mircea_popescu: by what criteria betteR ?
MJR_: is this to be our rockefellers and Astors?
MJR_: Franktank: it really only depends on what you have to pay
Franktank: Dividend payout, increased resale value, etc
mircea_popescu: by historical resale value s.mpoe, indubitably. it opened like 2.9k satoshi, now trading 75s
mircea_popescu: by dividend payout s.dice, it paid out something like 68k btc so far
mircea_popescu: course s.bbet also saw some crazy appreciation but most of it happened on ipo day
mircea_popescu: mindblown.
MJR_: lol
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/311005716737581057
mircea_popescu: incredible what fits in 140 chars.
smickles: mircea_popescu: do you recall what was in that bag?
smickles: (twitter background pic)
mircea_popescu: girl clothes, some chocolate. water.
smickles: I had it down for a bag full of chocolate
smickles: i was close, i suppose
mircea_popescu: :p
ZedsterX: it's a fuckin purse
mircea_popescu: it's not a purse.
mircea_popescu: it's european.
ZedsterX: purse
smickles: not that there's anything wrong with that
mircea_popescu: lol
ZedsterX: depends on your outlook i guess
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX you missed some references there m'lad.
mircea_popescu: smickles https://si0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/9854979/tweetar.jpg
ZedsterX: i could be you father btw
ZedsterX: lad
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://youtu.be/-d_VAWyCFE8
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX pix or it never happened.
ZedsterX: so if i have no pix of me being 48 i am not 48?
mircea_popescu: no, if you have no pix with my (preferably naked) mom
mircea_popescu: you couldn't have been my dad.
ZedsterX: hehe
smickles: if you really want something done, you have to admit it's a purse
smickles: micera gets things done
smickles: er, mircea
mircea_popescu: lol ima call you scrabbles.
smickles: i should've typed 'a crime'
jurov: lol, tim ferriss calls such a "man bag". quite a fag there.
smickles: tim ferris? that well off dude who writes books?
jurov: yes. in 5 hour body he admitted to carrying a protable weights in his man bag
jurov: to weight his poop
mircea_popescu: i don't what
jurov: i'm not making this up
smickles: maybe you're just 'mi acre'
mircea_popescu: who weighs their shit !?
mircea_popescu: does he taste it ?
smickles: best way to grasp the texture
ZedsterX: nice
jurov: okay let's get back to choco bonbons
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx902wVrSI1qfsmaho1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: somewhat related.
smickles: come to think of it, oral retention, anal retention. BY YOUR POWERS COMBINE!
ZedsterX: wonder twin powers!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.55100, Best ask: 47.94000, Bid-ask spread: 0.38900, Last trade: 47.55000, 24 hour volume: 35518.49297168, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.68101
smickles: that's a pretty sharp rise
mod6: one more try here ;)
mod6: or not...?
smickles: ~46 to ~48 in a tick's life
smickles: wow, lotta off-gox trading
mircea_popescu: smickles it'd surprise me if they actually had 1/3 of exchange mkt atm.
smickles: iknow iknow, but this is what's easily reported
mircea_popescu: kinda going the way of tradehill unfortunately.
mircea_popescu: i think i'm going to end up feeding my options with a usd fixing price
smickles: orly?
mircea_popescu: i see no other way.
mircea_popescu: hold daily meetings, have a fixing, end of story.
smickles: daily meeting sorta-kinda seem like they might be your thing
mircea_popescu: lol how do you mean ?
jurov: lmao totally should have foreseen that... btcusd being officially quoted by mpex
mircea_popescu: jurov it wouldn't be, no.
mircea_popescu: do you know how fixing works?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244641 @ 0.00075 = 183.4808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5359 @ 0.00076718 = 4.1113 BTC [+]
mod6: well, it works better kinda, takes direct messages... but it blew up on the second message.
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1019032/
mod6: lemme see...
smickles: like you maybe-might be in the position to have the time for them and beyond that your bouyant bayance by speech is not much matched here ;)
mircea_popescu: hahaah saywut!
jurov: mircea_popescu perhaps not fully in this situation
mircea_popescu: ok, it's like this. suppose the three main dealers are A, B and C.
mircea_popescu: chair X calls the meeting. X proposes price, say 47.5
mircea_popescu: a, b and c go through their books, see what customers want, see what they want on their own account
mircea_popescu: then they say. a buys 50k usd. b sells 25k usd. c sells 70k usd.
mircea_popescu: 25 + 70 > 50k so its not fixed
mircea_popescu: x has to call a lower price now
jurov: ah that kind of meeting you mean
mircea_popescu: say 47.3
mircea_popescu: now a b and c review their books
mod6: think i just need to add some sleep time....
mircea_popescu: 42 12 40
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: this process is called fixing, it's widely used to obtain a price.
smickles: you get that going and you'll have all the fun
mircea_popescu: well, fun goes to the mean in general.
smickles: i think fun occurs most in the regression. the mean is just incidental
mircea_popescu: tat's a point.
jurov: heh i first understood "mean" as in the other meaning
mircea_popescu: tht's what i originally meant :D
smickles: yeah, english is fucked that way
mod6: darn
jurov: english is mean
smickles: oh, lol
smickles: wtf? past historic first singular: bayai
smickles: ????
smickles: baierai
smickles: how the fuck is that a word!!?!?!
mircea_popescu: to dance.
mircea_popescu: french
smickles: wuh?
mircea_popescu: o no wait
mircea_popescu: this is wtf, yawning ?
smickles: supposedly, this is english
mircea_popescu: maybe via french in the middle ages
smickles: baieraient
mircea_popescu: eh cmon this is french
smickles: oh, i'm on the wrong wikipedia
mircea_popescu: ahahaha lmao
mircea_popescu: FabianB :
mircea_popescu: $proxies
smickles: there's a lot of french here which i didn't notice
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: and ima be off. later all!
mod6: later!
smickles: !later
mod6: heh
mod6: im talkin to da mpex bot via private message
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
mod6: at least thats working ok lol
mod6: got the depth back and output is good, now to see if I can successfully get another request
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5451 BTC [-]
mod6: wtf
mircea_popescu: call it bitchhotter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.12 BTC [-]
mod6: heheh
mod6: so it seems like it gets the first request and weather, vwap or depth, works great.
mod6: but on the second request i only seem to get a <title>Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID</title>
mod6: in html... ok
mod6: maybe one just needs to wait a bit between requests?
mod6: ok one more try... its already way less shitty than yesterday
jurov: ;;goxlag
gribble: 2025.557307 seconds
jurov: what is the record?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.719999 BTC [-]
mod6: first command worked good
mod6: gonna wait before i issue next command
mod6: here's the output from the first, smpoe vwap: http://dpaste.com/1019052/
mod6: ok lets try second one?
mod6: ok. heh.
mod6: s.dice depth returned fine: http://dpaste.com/1019055/
mod6: third command worked fine, maybe I got it fixed... http://dpaste.com/1019058/
mod6: gonna check this in quick
mod6: ok here you go guys: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_market_data.pl
mod6: i'll still add more stuff, like it checking stuff out with gribble... so thats still coming yet
mod6: anyway, have a good one :]
dub: jurov: was over ten minutes a couple days ago
jurov: dub ?
dub: goxlag
jurov: 2000 seconds is more than 10 min
dub: oh i missed a 0
googoo: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
googoo: !ticker SDICE
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
googoo: !ticker G.SDICE
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
googoo: !ticker MPEX
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
googoo: !ticker MPEX S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594744 / 0.006 (30426 shares, 180.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00560095 / 0.006225 (403237 shares, 2,258.51 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616304 / 0.0069 (3614671 shares, 22,277.39 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01231 BTC [-]
jcpham: it is being spliced as we speak
mircea_popescu: soo what's new ?
jcpham: channel flaming you
mircea_popescu: o rly ?
jcpham: busted ass mpex
mircea_popescu: must increase fee ?
jcpham: mos def
gesell: im not flaming. just saying id like to know more about why its down
jcpham: 50btc
mircea_popescu: gesell ddos.
jurov: to be mitigated using .... RAID???
gesell: why not host some static pages on free cloud services?
jcpham: that's not good enough mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: jurov that's unrelated.
jcpham: we'll need a graph or something
mircea_popescu: gesell you can use the proxy listed in topic or else the irc bots to trade
jurov: yes... but it looked liike i'm ddosed
mircea_popescu: jurov all cloud is yet kinda shaky you know ?
gesell: mircea_popescu: proxy is fine. just curious the logic. seems that loosing the face of mpex (which the web presense is part of) would make some question
gesell: mircea_popescu: the questions are natural for investors. and also natural to want more details...
mircea_popescu: gesell surely. there's been ample disucssion here and also reports regularly posted in the forum.
gesell: if its ddos, whats the plan. just no web presence?
gesell: okay
mircea_popescu: let me get you a link eh ?
gesell: yup, cool
dub: its raining in the cloud today
dub: jurov: you did tick the persistent storage box rite? don't do a poland
mircea_popescu: gesell https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1598165#msg1598165
mircea_popescu: o, he moved all coinbr to amazon ?
jurov: dub yes that was first thing i checked
jurov: mircea_popescu, pretty much. except keys and such
jurov: i did except flaky performance...but 25 second I/O delays causing whole machine to drop connections? er, uhm.
mircea_popescu: heh latest update from tech
mircea_popescu: "We got the server rebuilt. Issues as expected. It's working in RAID 10 right now. I know you said RAID 6 but before we take this down again, can you live with 10?"
dub: true ballers roll raid 1000
mircea_popescu: i'm like... meh, watch me go 10 and then have two disks fail.
jcpham: mircea_popescu when does rota get paid
mircea_popescu: end of the year.
jcpham: you can pay me quarterly, I'm fine with it
mircea_popescu: lol
jcpham: what if you can't afford it by then
mircea_popescu: then you're sol aren;t you
jcpham: hurrrrr
jurov: jcpham, go to btcjam and show them your proof of employment
mircea_popescu: he's employed now ?!
jcpham: no thank you jurov
jurov: "employed" in rota
jcpham: why would i even have a btcjam account
jcpham: i heard they loan liquidity to an exchange
jurov: haha... ashamed, better forgot
mircea_popescu: jcpham i wouldn't wory about that, it's kinda like coinlab bringing rupees to wall street
jurov: no they're all about bahts, have you seen the symbol?
mircea_popescu: anyway, things are getting pretty much wrapped up, im upgrading mpex.co back online from "this week" to "today".
jurov: yup, congrats
mircea_popescu: youtube being fags : http://www.youtube.com/embed/8c1BQkKUsx0 < does not need flash ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c1BQkKUsx0 does need flash
jurov: have you seen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg1610708#msg1610708 ?
mircea_popescu: howly fuck
mircea_popescu: it just never ends does it
mircea_popescu: wait. this is asicminer pool ?
dub: this DrG idiot
gesell: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link
jcpham: yeah mircea_popescu
jcpham: the op of the asicminer pool decided to fork his pool for a few minutes
mircea_popescu: so basically asicminer made a shitton
jcpham: accidentally
mircea_popescu: and there's going to be drama ?
dub: not commiserate with teh ideals of bitcoin, kind of person bitcoin does not need.. The person is blatantly and willfully violating the trust of Bitcoin network and for that he/she should be reprimanded.
jcpham: so while bitcoind was running with no db
dub: what is this shit
gesell: mircea_popescu: are you seriously considering a gmail protocol? this seems nuts. maybe you should consider https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149 first
jcpham: i assume the miners were doing diff 0 shares
mircea_popescu: dub da fck is this ?!
jcpham: until the hot wallet was empty
mircea_popescu: gesell mail is not nuts. mail is the strongest, oldest and in general best service ever implemented on the internet.
dub: I didn't think bitcoind offered work until it was synced
mircea_popescu: in the worst case scenario, mail is the backstop.
jborkl_: I think it would have been network diff at the point of the blockchain download you were mining
gesell: mircea_popescu: yes mail is but using google as a trusted host gate, not sure
mircea_popescu: dub it was prolly bugged.
jcpham: i upgraded bitcoind today
jcpham: it resyncs
mircea_popescu: gesell just had that as an arbitrary name
dub: yeah new db
jcpham: dunno how a pool handles the resync
jborkl_: at block 195000 it was i think 1.95 m for example
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't certainly be a case of trusting google.
mircea_popescu: the discussion was anyway an "in principle" thing.
gesell: mircea_popescu: okay
FabianB: MPEx.rb 0.5.0 released (https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex/) includes irc convo logging and a new 'portfolio' command with prediction of your total portfolio value
jborkl_: so while he was dl, blocks would have been synching fast- but mining at 200k diff
FabianB: maximian: ^^
FabianB: mircea_popescu: also proxy discovery included now :)
jborkl_: for example
mircea_popescu: FabianB :D
mircea_popescu: irc logging is a good idea. include a ticker to bold my lines ? :D
mircea_popescu: i mean a tickbox
mircea_popescu: "If bank places by mistake 10k into your account, and you cash it out, your will probably rot in jail.."
mircea_popescu: what world do these people live in, seriously ?!
dub: thats true, at least here
pigeons: if you dont give it back you will
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's just the conversation of MPEx.rb with the irc bots, not of this channel
jcpham: if the pool with the most hashrate is mining on a non -up-to-date copy of the blockchain
mircea_popescu: FabianB :p
jcpham: that's an issue
mircea_popescu: dub they will have to sue for unjust enrichment. they may win it,
mircea_popescu: but then again they may not.
pigeons: they always will
gesell: mircea_popescu: why not use google spreadsheets for graphs and orderbook review?
pigeons: which is why mp lost in his own hand picked rota
gesell: in that scenerio you would script updates (not pull from an api, as this might overrun google apps limits)
mircea_popescu: pigeons not really true. they always will try to convince the person to return it
mircea_popescu: but afaik such claims are rare. usually cost more to sue than they'd get
pigeons: really, absoulutely trye. give me one example where its not
mircea_popescu: gesell you can go right ahead, or what are you asking ?
kakobrekla: i have seen it happen here and the bank gets the money back one way or another
pigeons: ive seen plenty where it is true, none where it isnt
mircea_popescu: pigeons you've seen a case where a bank sued the recipient of an error for unjust enrichment ?
pigeons: yes
pigeons: more than one
mircea_popescu: link or docket or anything ?
dub: pretty sure its straight up law here
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01401 BTC [-]
dub: bank fucks up, give it back or the police come get you
gesell: mircea_popescu: well i would be happy to make some spreadsheets to pull the order books but this would require some sort of mpex api (json or xml or whatever) for that and again, leave you open to ddos. but if you pushed the data onto your own public spreadsheet you would avoid any ddos on your public facing graphs and orderbooks
mircea_popescu: not an expert but iirc it was rare shit.
pigeons: dont have my lexisnexis here
mircea_popescu: gesell you seen the faq ?
pigeons: but sure, i'll remember
gesell: mircea_popescu: not in bit. checking again
mircea_popescu: specifically, http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#11
gesell: oh didnt see the sierra chart feed
gesell: and json
mircea_popescu: json been there for a while. sierra recent addition
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla has a websocket feed he's been selling people.
gesell: mircea_popescu: are those feeds not effected by the ddos?
mircea_popescu: nothing's affected other than the website which people somehow get fixated on.
gesell: mircea_popescu: it's the face. but is interesting to contemplate what that means and reshaping it.
mircea_popescu: let's think together what that means.
mircea_popescu: domain gets "confiscated", somehow.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares. moving on.
mircea_popescu: that's what it means.
gesell: mircea_popescu: well its also strange that the proxy seems to be a mirror. as apposed to it being it's own form of interface.
pigeons: it proxies
FabianB: well stock trading volume went down, but never stopped; options as usual
gesell: if the face effects trades then, well, recovery should be monitored. and hopefully there is recovery
pigeons: or, the face can go away
pigeons: and people can learn to trade anyway
mircea_popescu: gesell say what ? i don't follow
mircea_popescu: the proxy mirror part
smickles: so the ddoser's name is "the face"?
smickles: nice
deadweasel: lol. the face
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140472.msg1610300#msg1610300 << most likely to be agreed with forum person.
mircea_popescu: you'd never guess it.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg1612122#msg1612122 another one
mircea_popescu: wtf is going on over there
smickles: '... or else nazi and nazi'
mircea_popescu: she called him thermos too
gesell: mircea_popescu: for lack of a better comparison... say for instance that some brokerage firm was had their own interface to nyse showing trades and tickers. this would "feel" decoupled from the excchange itself so people would not associate the two. if nyse decided to change how they present themselves that brokerage face would not be percieved as, i dont know, a quick crutch to fill the gap. where as when it is mirroring nyse so closely
mircea_popescu: gesell are you a web developer by any chance ?
gesell: mircea_popescu: hobby web dev for aesthetics. serious code and hardware hacker for the $
mircea_popescu: okay.
pigeons: basically, mircea_popescu does not care how it "feels"
gesell: hacker meaning reverse engineer (meaning, f;ing serious)
mircea_popescu: aha.
gesell: pigeons: even if he doesnt care. it is still interesting to consider what the market effects of change of face are, and where the middle ground is, and where there is space to innovate in a intuitive way. or maybe there isnt really
pigeons: not interesting
smickles: gesell: did you notice that my mpexbot has a direct line into mpex, yet doesn't look like a mirror?
mircea_popescu: pigeons that is exactly the opposite of reality. i very much care how it feels. which is why the proxy doesn't have spurious dongles, but feels just like the real tihng.
gesell: pigeons: if change of face did effect trade volume, that is interesting to explore
smickles: ;D
mircea_popescu: what i don't care about is appearance bullshit. there's a very good reason for that : unlike the web, the retail market for plastic figurines and fake fags,
mircea_popescu: i actually have a business.
gesell: smickles: yeah mpexbot... so it could be that just as mpex forces people to understand that the odd security model is better (and forces people to learn why and learn what pgp is) maybe it is of value to force them to use a different interface in a similar way. but the cause and effect is not as clear with the Web vs Mpexbot, as it was with the gpg protocol
mircea_popescu: for some reason i have a lot of trouble following this guy.
smickles: mircea_popescu: that mpex gui i'm developing is nearly functionally complete
mircea_popescu: 0.0
mircea_popescu: what do they feed you over there, uppers in speedball sauce ?
pigeons: it better have minecraft
FabianB: gesell: in both cases you need gpg to trade
smickles: pigeons: not minecraft, but opengl like was discussed yesterday
gesell: mircea_popescu: not sure. i think i just dont explain abstract thoughts well.
pigeons: i want bricks of some sort then
smickles: i have a screenshot of it
pigeons: lego mpex
mircea_popescu: totally. opengl.
pigeons: zork mpex too
smickles: http://imgur.com/fwa71Fj
mircea_popescu: pigeons lemme quote a person familiar with the matter, for your benefit :
gesell: smickles: is that QT based?
smickles: nope
gesell: gtk?
smickles: nope
gesell: tcl/tk??
mircea_popescu: "i get the feeling ima wake up one of these days and like there will be a little mpex anthill, and mpex transaction wallpaint and i can order a stat from the magazin alimentar"
mircea_popescu: it's uppers in speedball sauce based.
da-art-o-peas: http://i.imgur.com/JHEHg14.jpg
pigeons: hopped up on goofballs
gesell: then i hope the buy button creates a buy event on button down and not button released ;)
smickles: gesell: it's a toolkit which uses opengl, i don't know too much about it
smickles: i just know how to use it
smickles: and that i should be able to make binaries for win, mac, linux and android with it
mircea_popescu: what are you using like allegro ?
smickles: kivy
smickles: gesell: aw, i picked button released, is that bad?
mircea_popescu: it is yeah.
gesell: smickles: yes, they people on upper speedball sauce will have to click for each buy whereas on button down they could just Hooooooold and buy shit loads
dub: lol
smickles: lol, well, the buy button goes to a detailed asset page with price and quantity inputs
gesell: aaaah
smickles: yeah, i'd figure you'd want to know the best ask if you planned to buy
dub: why?
dub: this is mpex, we invest for the future, regardless of price
mircea_popescu: sutmm ?
pigeons: http://www.businessinsider.com/intrade-shutting-down-2013-3
smickles: i have that one drawn up right now. left side full depth (scrollable) right 2/3's has details up at top and input middle, confirmation button at bottom
gesell: smickles: sounds good
gesell: kivy is interesting. new to me
dub: if you care about price you are the wrong kind of investor
dub: remember that
mircea_popescu: intrade news is old! https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/310988017236049921
smickles: also, the thing is proxy aware and checks for updated proxy lists
mircea_popescu: smickles almost like a botnet.
smickles: shhh :P
smickles: that is how botnets work tho, isn't it?
smickles: i think i've lost every bitbet bet i've made
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
smickles: except the ufo ones
kakobrekla: i can make you a special 'yes and no is switched' interface
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know this may be a workable idea ?
mircea_popescu: put a link on main page, "Bad luck lately ?"
kakobrekla: ahah
mircea_popescu: if person clicks it site is color switched (everything)
smickles: lol, what an idea
mircea_popescu: and yes/no also switched in menus but not in actual effect.
mircea_popescu: so they go for yes but it bets no
mircea_popescu: and we see how many people actyually use that.
kakobrekla: first get your email working
mircea_popescu: dude i'm asking you for the difficult, you're asking me for the impossible.
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: email is too hard. i can get finger working this week
mircea_popescu: and maybe gopher
mircea_popescu: maybe i should upgrade the php proxies to also forward mail.
mircea_popescu: tux will just die.
pigeons: i'm down with finger instead of this twitter stuff
smickles: haha, come to mpexbot to check your email !
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: hey smickles! implement an $email command
mircea_popescu: it just returns "No new emails received"
mircea_popescu: to mess with noobs.
ThickAsThieves: lol
smickles: $mail \n <mpexbot> 3 ways to a larger PENIS
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: it should have a list. if person is not on that list, "You're not cool enough for this service sorry."
mod6: need a mutt plugin
smickles: $markov
mpexbot: and if you can, hire a group to make it happenj
mircea_popescu: you can charge like .01 btc for lifetime membership or something
mircea_popescu: and it's spelled PEN1S anyway
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00999 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
dub: you goddamn hacker how did you get my password
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;slab puq
gribble: Error: "slab" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: how do you mean no slab?
kakobrekla: nano should fix this
mircea_popescu: is of no comprehension his.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.16000, Best ask: 48.18310, Bid-ask spread: 0.02310, Last trade: 48.16000, 24 hour volume: 41803.52824419, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.48502
dub: no this is fucking logo http://alerts.gw.gd/
dub: now*
gesell: its a shame geocities is down. mpex hosted via geocities would just be perfect
dub: I swear its synergy throwing away half my keystrokes
mircea_popescu: dub ahaha totally all the gimp effects
smickles: $email
mpexbot: smickles: No new messages received.
ThickAsThieves: $email
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
ThickAsThieves: lol
smickles: $list SupyMPEx
mpexbot: smickles: depth, email, post, proxies, and vwap
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i assume all email revenue goes to making mpex aesthetic improvements
smickles: the list just keeps growing. In two weeks, we'll have something like nano's gribble on our hands
mircea_popescu: $email
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: No new messages received.
mircea_popescu: omg im so cool
mircea_popescu: eat that hat3rs
mod6: smickles: nice!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla as you can see, i received no mail.
kakobrekla: fu :P
ThickAsThieves: check ur spam folder
kakobrekla: $spam
ThickAsThieves: spam detected
mircea_popescu: Intel X25-E Extreme SSDSA2SH064G1GC
mircea_popescu: go me.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]
FabianB: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.19322, Best ask: 48.19341, Bid-ask spread: 0.00019, Last trade: 48.19322, 24 hour volume: 41895.49680393, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.48907
FabianB: thank you maximian, if that was you
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
gesell: what tha, btc24 now second largest exchange? that was fast
mircea_popescu: whos btc24 even ?
gesell: beh, they got their own bots on the exchnage <shakes fist> not that it matters
gesell: bitcoin-24.com http://bitdata.com/articles/102
mircea_popescu: i see bitstamp at 150k
mircea_popescu: or you meant eur ?
mircea_popescu: ya ok
gesell: not sure how bitdata compiled that chart. it isnt eur specific
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 192 @ 0.19228973 = 36.9196 BTC [+]
gesell: puts bitstamp and btc24 at %2 behind mtgox both
gesell: sorry #2 not %2
gesell: i swear to god they have their own bots running on the exchange. not sure what the objective is but see some bots responding with <200ms timing
mircea_popescu: marketmaking neh ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.10003, Best ask: 48.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 48.19000, 24 hour volume: 41520.07762161, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.51308
gesell: perhaps. just mapped their bots edges and it tends to push it's own reserve volume over other bids that it thinks are too low
gesell: up to a certain limit, perhaps set based on numbers of averages on other exchnages
gesell: maybe its an arbitrage protection bot, or not sure
mircea_popescu: this is probably a recipe for disaster
mircea_popescu: have everyone entering fake trades based on the other people's fake trades averages
kakobrekla: bitstamp is fucked and ran by idiots
mircea_popescu: in fact it's probably the main source of volatility atm
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.19999 = 0.8 BTC [-]
gesell: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by fake trades? I think on btc24, unlike mtgox, if you buy your fiat gets locked and you cant make another order. same on sell. of course their own local bots could fake, but i could not prove this. and actually they wouldnt have to fake, if all they really want to do is some moderate protection from arbitrage
mircea_popescu: gesell if the exchange is running it's own bot,
mircea_popescu: and it is feeding it from the trades on other exchanges
mircea_popescu: except everyone does this
mircea_popescu: the net result is a positive feedback loop of great danger
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
gesell: mircea_popescu: i cant wrap my head around how that would all play out. just assume before running any bot one would make comfortable limits, and some way to guage when things are getting out of control so you know when to turn off
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: i hear that, i'm thinking bitcoinica.
gesell: other than being hacked dont remember bitcoinica gaming the market
mircea_popescu: did you read their leaked emails ?
benkay: where find ^^?
gesell: mircea_popescu: havent no
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/Ya6iN8RT
benkay: tempted to pause timer and read
mircea_popescu: what timer is that
benkay: billing.
benkay: but also would like to close out workblock, make commits, email people "yay" and go play with dog and lady
benkay: so
benkay: balancing priorities.
mircea_popescu: such balance is apparent in the sorting of the [dog ; lady] set.
benkay: oh you
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: maybe i alpha sort everything on the outfeed, huh?
benkay: in reality, dog needs tiring first
benkay: otherwise
benkay: INAPPROPRIATE CUDDLES
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: PSA : starting yest MPEx is adding 0.001 fee to all txs, whether needed or not (it's almost never actually needed). Support teh network!
benkay: wat.
benkay: oic.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.00557 = 0.1671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: reading a digest of the bitcoin-dev chan, i am struck by how incredibly pompous these people are.
mircea_popescu: seriously know. who told them they know shit and when exactly ?!
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00524 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01987 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 11 @ 0.01988 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1796 = 0.3592 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu:
smickles: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mircea_popescu: that;'s not bad actually
mircea_popescu: here's a tricky thing :
mircea_popescu: would it be possible for the bot to keep a count of the chat lines during past 5 minutes and send that response by pm if value > 50 ?
mircea_popescu: and also send it by pm if it's been sent to the main chat during the past 1 hr
kakobrekla: basically just send it to pm.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: not EXACTLY
smickles: it would be easist to just send it to pm
mircea_popescu: well i guess it would, yeah.
mircea_popescu: up to you
smickles: do you think it's spammy as is?
mircea_popescu: as is no
mircea_popescu: but it has the potential to become.
kakobrekla: also side note, pm is short for 'picku mater' which roughty translates for 'mothers cunt'
kakobrekla: to*
mircea_popescu: pizda ma-tii.
mircea_popescu: eastern europe is firmly decided on pm = yo momma's.
kakobrekla: :)
smickles: well, kakobrekla if you think people are using it too often, let me know and I will switch it to pm response
kakobrekla: aha
kakobrekla: lets see what happens then
kakobrekla: wait so one must use it 5 times an hour ?
mircea_popescu: lol totally.
kakobrekla: mkay better get started
smickles: yup, also, i added email service to mpexbot
kakobrekla: $depth s.mpoe
kakobrekla: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
kakobrekla: $depth s.mpoe
kakobrekla: $depth s.mpoe
kakobrekla: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mircea_popescu: i still think my idea was the most elegant
smickles: T_T
kakobrekla: no spam.
dub: ;;echo $depth s.mpoe
gribble: $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: gribble: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: gribble: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
smickles: i might need to fiddle with the 'abuse' configs
kakobrekla: o looky.
smickles: $depth s.dice
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['100 @ 530012', '81 @ 530011', '800 @ 530000', '500 @ 520000', '10 @ 520000']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['9299 @ 569996', '1000 @ 569997', '2000 @ 570000', '148 @ 599990', '48346 @ 600000']
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: evoorhees good thinking on upping the you lost returns.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151593.msg1609610#msg1609610
mircea_popescu: totally qualified to give advice.
Troic: fork drama next
pigeons: yeah be careful with the big bucks till the fork is resolved
mircea_popescu: how long is it yet ?
pigeons: looks like about 5 blocks
mircea_popescu: fleshwound
dub: yuss
dub: inb4 $2
smickles: dub: i called 2 hours ago
pigeons: satoshi dice pausing till resolved
smickles: er, i called $2, hours ago
smickles: curse you ambiguity
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 8 @ 0.1796 = 1.4368 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.75902, Best ask: 47.83005, Bid-ask spread: 0.07103, Last trade: 47.83005, 24 hour volume: 42125.00556719, 24 hour low: 45.54000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.65497
dub: now would be a great time to dos guild
dub: any kids watching? :)
mircea_popescu: is this fork in any way related to the two asic miners ?
mircea_popescu: ie, is one avalon sponsored and the other am sponsored ?
BitHub: is this a scam?
dub: no its a block size issue affecting BDB in 0.7
dub: according to -dev
mircea_popescu: so basically they fucvked up the upgrade.
dub: 0.8 is unaffected so 0.7 and 0.8 miners have forked
mircea_popescu: as in, "it's a blocksize issue we've introduced with 0.8"
dub: fix is to move majority hashing back to 0.7
jcpham: anyone want to help me with a e-poll
mircea_popescu: these pompous assholes.
dub: so if guild went down now it would be teh bitpocalypse
jcpham: it has real world results
dub: mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: oh ?
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.70000 U.S. dollars = 36.6923077 Euros
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu switch dns? :p
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol.
dub: mircea_popescu: its a previously unheard of issue with BDB, the block size triggered it
mircea_popescu: dub SO THEY FUCKED UP THE UPGRADE.
mircea_popescu: jesus passing the buck is like a tradition in bitcoin-devtalk
dub: mircea_popescu: well no, dice fucked up the blockchain
mircea_popescu: yaya
dub: by creating blocks too big for 0.7
mircea_popescu: "let's hide the fact that we suck at coding by falsely accusing someone else of doing things such as trying to externalise their costs on others"\
dub: we only know about it because half the network is on 0.8
mircea_popescu: "which happens to be exactly what we're doing"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.774998 = 1.55 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tell them i expect an apology for this idiocy.
mircea_popescu: fuckwits need to learn some humility presto.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: seems like they could really fuck things up from this point still
jcpham: http://micropoll.com/t/KE9JQZQhrI vote for "good love"
jcpham: top three bands get to play
jcpham: trying to make sure my frind's band plays
jcpham: its a big venue for him
mircea_popescu: mkay.
dub: fixing the network to make dice fit is the trigger
jcpham: do it or die
mircea_popescu: dub would you stop already ?
mircea_popescu: their mommies made them do it ?
mircea_popescu: jcpham done. they owe me a bra now.
jcpham: k
dub: mircea_popescu: big blocks are the problem here
mircea_popescu: dub no.
mircea_popescu: they did not know what their own code did.
mircea_popescu: that is the problem here.
mircea_popescu: they pushed an unsafe upgrade, without a clue.
mircea_popescu: that is the problem.
mircea_popescu: they only discovered it once it blew up.
mircea_popescu: that is the problem.
dub: well, no
mircea_popescu: how no ?
dub: but I can see you are decided
mircea_popescu: i'm askin.
dub: because the problem is increasing teh blocksize not 0.8
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: dude.
mircea_popescu: how is the problem "increasing the blocksizer"
mircea_popescu: this is the same coolaid of saying "sd is hte problem"
dub: because 0.7 nodes can't handle them
mircea_popescu: no dood. the problem is bad code, not the real world constraints that expose it sucks.
mircea_popescu: WHY NOT
dub: because the database sucks
mircea_popescu: orly
mircea_popescu: it;'s the db now right ?
dub: no
mircea_popescu: why not jesus ? jesus sucks so devs can't code.
pigeons: because the bug in BDB wasn't encountered before because the number of transactions in a block that trigger it wasnt valid before
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
dub: <evoorhees> Okay SatoshiDice is on pause now. Receiving bets but not processing anything.
dub: fyi
mircea_popescu: so what, we write bugs and that's ok if nobody forces our nose in it "?
mircea_popescu: cause we're too busy acting the knowful shitheads on -dev ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
mircea_popescu: dub so ?
dub: I think its too early to know if its bdb itself or bitcoins implementation
mircea_popescu: how about bitcoin implementing something that failed is on the devs
mircea_popescu: period.
mircea_popescu: it's not tested enough to release yet, do not release it.
mircea_popescu: what is this, 1955, we're discovering software engineering ?
BitHub: heh
dub: im just annoyed that we're not at $2 yet
dub: come on guys, its panic time if ever there was
mircea_popescu: i'm sick and tired of the young cocks circlejerk attitude.
mircea_popescu: a. they know shit ; b. they don't even know a. wtf.
jcpham: let's see how this plays out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.56 = 2.8 BTC [+]
dub: speakign of circlejerk
dub: fucking assholes now want to talk about my offer after a week of bullshit
ThickAsThieves: sooo what happens if i do this
dub: and I'm now ready to buy a different house
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225435 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 356 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 5496120.07656 based on data for last three days
dub: 0 diff would be neat
ThickAsThieves: so if they are forked, then anyone mining the dropped fork is fukt
ThickAsThieves: right?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: also an issue of doublespends.
mircea_popescu: (incoming)
ThickAsThieves: and anyone helping to push the old fork gets super low diff
ThickAsThieves: ?
mircea_popescu: nah both ends are same diff
ThickAsThieves: oh cuz it wont change til the specific block
mircea_popescu: if one forks gets to actually the diff block
mircea_popescu: then they will have divergent difficulty
mircea_popescu: luckily there's still a ways to go
dub: gox better not stop this crash
ThickAsThieves: you know they will
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.50110, Best ask: 45.60134, Bid-ask spread: 0.10024, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 55914.86095949, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.30466
mircea_popescu: heh.
ThickAsThieves: gox didnt halt trading?
mircea_popescu: i imagine they only halted payouts
mircea_popescu: trading can in principle continuewith what they have deposited in btc and freely on usd.
mircea_popescu: payins i mean. people paying them.
dub: whois defunctzombie?
dub: he'so offering to halt trading if gox does
pigeons: and halted processing deposits
Chaang-Noi: crash?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi more like momentary panic.
Chaang-Noi: :)
dub: blockchain is firked
Chaang-Noi: litecoin is moving on up, crazy
dub: and forked
dub: and fucked
Chaang-Noi: what is the news with gox, just woke up?
Ukto: update regarding effects of blockchain issues on bitfunder. https://bitfunder.com/market
dub: bitcoin forked into 0.7 and 0.8 chains
Ukto: pools were todl to increase blocksize
dub: pools are rolling back to 0.7 to fix
Ukto: someo made them too big
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0
Chaang-Noi: it forked? oh fuuuuck
Ukto: and olrder clients shat themselves
Ukto: end of story.
Ukto: nothing malicious
Chaang-Noi: so coins in our new clients are they gone?
mircea_popescu: no, just stupid.
mircea_popescu: nah chang
mircea_popescu: you just shouldn't credit payments for a bit.
Ukto: Chaang-Noi: that depends on what happens after blockchain merger
Ukto: mircea_popescu is correct
Ukto: you SHOULD be fine
Chaang-Noi: oh fuck me
Ukto: but put things on hold
pigeons: everyone go take a walk and get some food and come bac in a few hours
Chaang-Noi: glad i has 150,000 as a back up crypto currancy
Chaang-Noi: LTC
Ukto: you have 150k ?
Ukto: x.x
mod6: heh you sold 50k 'eh
dub: mircea_popescu: loving the WTC ref
mircea_popescu: dub heh.
pigeons: yeah ltc could never get this bug because that many transactions in litecoin would never propogate quickly enough to get included in a block
Chaang-Noi: i have not made a btc payment for about 12 hours, will this make me saffer even if i use the new client?
pigeons: Chaang-Noi: just wait
Chaang-Noi: is there a link with more info on the forum or something?
pigeons: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30587843
Chaang-Noi: thanks
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi your outgoing payments are safe
davos: meh - its only down 4, less than 10%
mircea_popescu: crediting incomingpayments may be unsafe, if they are doublespent across the forks
davos: not a crash
mircea_popescu: and then they merge into one that doesn't include you being paid.
davos: and wrong chat. =D
Chaang-Noi: mp i sold 50k ltc yesterday for btc, odds on this being accepted?
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.12000, Best ask: 44.50000, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 43.12000, 24 hour volume: 62664.75566320, 24 hour low: 43.12000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.92695
Bowjob: Meow
Bowjob: All right, what the fuck is going on
smickles: SELL SELL SELL !!!
kakobrekla: hm 1k sold and price went down 3$
Bowjob: This is a huge blow to bitcoin. WTF I thought its supposed to be secure
the-bucket-shop: my guess miner hardware related. total wild guess
ThickAsThieves: why do they even need to change the code
BitHub: bitcoin been failing a bit lately
BitHub: alot of flaws being exposed
dub: this is glorious
smickles: BitHub: http://bit.ly/wAIBGJ
BitHub: ?
Ukto: btw
Ukto: this will rpolyl drive ltc prices up
Ukto: ;)
mircea_popescu: BitHub they've been doing this shit since day one
Chaang-Noi: :)
mircea_popescu: wallet was plaintext for like 2 years
mircea_popescu: it's just that now btc is worth half a bn dollars
Ukto: almost done with my mini ltc project
BitHub: mircea do you think the bitcoin foundation will pay out a compensation? lul
smickles: reparations!
BitHub: damn straight
mircea_popescu: BitHub i'd be more than happy if the usual pompous idiots came out with an apology.
Chaang-Noi: Ukto tell me more, i heart ltc
BitHub: mircea who's fault is it?
dub: mircea_popescu: you know the answer right
mircea_popescu: dub yes.
dub: mircea_popescu: because 'not ready for primetime'
mircea_popescu: BitHub i'm not going to go into that level of detail.
dub: mircea_popescu: its obvious they don't want adoption
Bowjob: wow.. what will the institutional investors think
mircea_popescu: dub yes, they want it forever this niche toy where they matter.
dub: mircea_popescu: at least for the next 100 years
mircea_popescu: when i told them they'll be pushed aside coupla months ago i guess they groked it
BitHub: all good, but yeah, makes me think they could just do this sort of stuff on purpose just to manipulate the price
mircea_popescu: BitHub they're for the most part not intelligent enough to understand the point or value of money.
mircea_popescu: they just want dorks admiring them.
BitHub: to be honest i have noticed the lack of like really really god like programmers
dub: oh this is gettgin good
kakobrekla: what is getting good
kakobrekla: where is the url
dub: you cant downgrade to 0.7
kakobrekla: feed us
pizzaman1337: or getting bad
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0
dub: without prev blkindex
Bowjob: satoshi, save us
mircea_popescu: dub obviously ?
BitHub: yeah where is Lord Satoshi?
kakobrekla: mistebigg again
kakobrekla: someone stab him in teh face
BitHub: he needs to come in and fix these n00bs mistake
mircea_popescu: the only way is basically foer the people who upgraded to downtime
mircea_popescu: let the smarter folks merge it
mircea_popescu: then pay for a blk
dub: and no reindex in 0.7 so you have to download and validate the chain
mircea_popescu: da fuck did you think tho ?
dub: which workd REALLY WELL
BitHub: lul @ In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots
dub: BitHub: they kinda are
smickles: i've got an uptodate .7 chain for s2cm funds
BitHub: ima have to read this :)
mircea_popescu: smickles see if anyone wants to pay you 50 btc for it
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.00000, Best ask: 45.10989, Bid-ask spread: 0.10989, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 66465.70498496, 24 hour low: 43.11000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.77472
Bowjob: hey
Bowjob: wtf
Bowjob: 45
smickles: ;;sell 1 "0.7 blockchain" @ 50 btc
gribble: Order id 13963 created.
gesell: Bowjob: see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152030
Bowjob: what bullshit is this
Bowjob: this actually scares me.. that bitcoin can be compromised like this
mod6: there you go smickles
Bowjob: I thought we're supposed to be unhackable and shit
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: ahaha
BitHub: yeah bowjob
BitHub: its getting scammy hey
BitHub: the pyramid is being exposed
kakobrekla: btc is fragile as a cracked egg
Bowjob: Everyone move to lite coin!
mod6: i've got a chain that was last updated dec 29th...
kakobrekla: i mean bitcoind
BitHub: just email your wallet.dat to the bitcoin foundation tell them they've won and then hang yourself
mod6: heheh
Bowjob: Umm I'm using electrum does it run ot 0.08
Bowjob: ..
Bowjob: wtf
evoorhees: Bowjob don't be a fool. If you actually saw the devs react to this and remedy it, you'd be very impressed
evoorhees: people should expect bugs
evoorhees: it's how resilient btc is in the face of them that matters
mircea_popescu: Bowjob the design is very strong.
mircea_popescu: the implementation is very poor.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: have you considered hiring people to work on it?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 suppose bitcoin was written by mpex devs.
mircea_popescu: would you use it ?
pizzaman1337: if everyone else did
dub: bitcoin is so resilient it only took one satoshidice to break it
mircea_popescu: that's no way to go about things.
Bowjob: btc-e trollbox is celebrating
pizzaman1337: so what's the best solution?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of intrinsic strength in the open and independent dev model.
BitHub: hand the code over to bill gates
mircea_popescu: the problem is that much like anything else of the kind, it depends on keeping politics low.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia for instance is similar, and failed for similar reasons.
gesell: mircea_popescu: shorting possitions on mpex?
BitHub: politics, emotions, egos
mircea_popescu: gesell not so far.
gesell: ack
vampireb: well not a bitcoin issue, the old db was a problem
mircea_popescu: go ahead
gesell: no, just curious
mircea_popescu: vampireb don't you start. read up a little eh.
smickles: gesell: you want to short s.mpoe?
BitHub: why doesn't the bitcoin foundation use all that money to actually hire proper programmers
BitHub: with resumes and stuff
vampireb: hmm? start what? i read pleter's explanation, what isnt clear?
Bowjob: are asics safe and compatible after this?
mircea_popescu: vampireb read up the context in the channel you're talking.
BitHub: isn't that the foundation job? or not really?
gesell: will this spill over into the discussion of soft limits and sdice foo?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob doesn't have much to do with asics this
mircea_popescu: BitHub well... i have no idea.
Bowjob: k thats all i care about
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: gesell prolly.
benkay: lol@ bithub resumes
dub: gesell: this will spill over into all manner of discussion
mircea_popescu: this will probably be the foundation of all further discussions
mircea_popescu: dja see what i did there ?
smickles: well, if anyone want's to short s.mpoe, i have a fair amout of shares available
BitHub: what is the point of the foundation
mircea_popescu: smickles i think op was discussing shorting btc
smickles: oh
dub: BitHub: they supply the biscuit
smickles: poo
vampireb: i dont have the context, but ok
smickles: buy puts :P
benkay: dub: biscuit?
mircea_popescu: vampireb mkay. who put the db in there ?
dub: the one in the middle
vampireb: who? i dont know, satoshi?
vampireb: bdb has issues, not 0.8
mircea_popescu: right.
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 38.016469 seconds
mircea_popescu: you make an upgrade that fucks up the network, it's not the db, it's not satoshi, it;s you.
dub: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: that's how things work.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01000, Best ask: 45.90277, Bid-ask spread: 0.89277, Last trade: 46.50000, 24 hour volume: 70342.96544144, 24 hour low: 43.11000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.71424
benkay: hurr.
kakobrekla: again
kakobrekla: untradable
benkay: did testnet testing not catch this due to atomic transaction size blah blah?
kakobrekla: 38 seconds
kakobrekla: and no ddos afaik
dub: its only 38 man
kakobrekla: fuckin lame
vampireb: well guess what, that's why when I last time I met gavin he was looking to hire QA
kakobrekla: tards.
dub: it was over 2000 last night
dub: with no volume at all
kakobrekla: over 9k really pisses me.
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: gotta fix it :)
dub: I've only seen it >9000 once
kakobrekla: myea.
dub: but today would be a good candidate
dub: if the 20k failsafe is still there
smickles: "an easy way to do it is to go to home depot with 5 usd, buy stuff to make it happenj"
smickles: ;;proxies
gribble: Error: "proxies" is not a valid command.
gesell: dub: 20k failsafe means what?
smickles: $proxies
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00530001 / 0.00552804 / 0.0059998 (11830 shares, 65.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00514724 / 0.006 (228107 shares, 1,174.12 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00614247 / 0.0069 (2518785 shares, 15,471.58 BTC)
smickles: $depth s.dice
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['100 @ 530012', '81 @ 530011', '800 @ 530000', '500 @ 520000', '10 @ 520000']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['9299 @ 569996', '1000 @ 569997', '2000 @ 570000', '148 @ 599990', '48346 @ 600000']
smickles: :)
pizzaman1337: smickles: nice
Bowjob: now lucif is gonna make some bullshit up how he calculated this could happen
Bowjob: and we're gonna look like emperors with no clothes
mircea_popescu: vampireb so he was looking to hire a qa. good for him.
benkay: too bad he never got around to it.
benkay: egg -> face
vampireb: well devs dont wanna do qa, and u can't really qa your own shit
benkay: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E1j8gmCIr9w/TIQDRAZ9fbI/AAAAAAAAIOA/lYRso7Tr_fY/s1600/egg+on+your+face.png
mircea_popescu: vampireb so ?
Bowjob: meanwhile, LTC is surging
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it would.
vampireb: so what? it isn't the end of the world. a minor hiccup
smickles: "Every be very careful about accepting any transactions for the the next few hours" << what is that supposed to mean :P
benkay: i'd take a bearish position on ltc, settled next month...
smickles: how is one to be careful?
the-bucket-shop: never let a tragedy go to waste fellas. Plaster Satoshi Dice's name all over the news and posts if you can.
vampireb: the result: bitcoin foundation would be promoted as a saviour
BitHub: it not the end of the world?
mircea_popescu: smickles that incoming txs might be wiped on fork merge
mircea_popescu: vampireb it's hopefully the end of a certain misplace attitude.
gesell: the-bucket-shop: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: in the devteam.
mircea_popescu: aka "we know shit".
vampireb: attitudes? yea.
the-bucket-shop: I mean satoshidice can get famous off of this news
gesell: also, what effect would this split have on hash/mining opporutunities?
mircea_popescu: gesell it's a temporary thing.
gesell: brief opportunities if that
mircea_popescu: if it's not temporary then there's no mining oportunities
smickles: mircea_popescu: i know, but how would you be careful about it. seems binary to me
mircea_popescu: just stall them
mircea_popescu: im not processing incoming on mpex till its resolved for instance.
gesell: mircea_popescu: even if it is, it will take time for everyone to get on the proper chain, no... since apparently some versions will have to upgrade
benkay: i'm out. this shit's boring.
mircea_popescu: (course i have the advantaghe that my system is designed so such things don't affect me)
mircea_popescu: gesell it seems downgrade moreover.
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.50000, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 43.10000, 24 hour volume: 75255.63737110, 24 hour low: 43.10000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.55735
vampireb: ah good that i sold at 47. need to figure when to rebuy
smickles: 2
kakobrekla: ltc crossed 1
gesell: so, just trying to understand this. how is mtgox processing tx's now. this effects minders and merchants, not exchanges?
dub: <dub> im buying at $10
vampireb: they dont process tx now?
smickles: gsi don't think they are processing deposits/withdrawals
vampireb: you can trade with existing funds
dub: they dont process tx
dub: unless you fund or withdraw
dub: which is frozen iirc
gesell: dub: perhaps i got the wrong term. if miners and merchants are told to wait, why not exchanges?
vampireb: miners need to switch to 0.7?
smickles: echanges != merchant?
Chaang-Noi: ltc now at all time high to btc, and well over its old all time high to fiat
mircea_popescu: gesell nobody is crediting incoming txs atm
gesell: im trying to guage if there will be a queu of sells waiting to flood through exchanges once things get back to speed
mircea_popescu: withdrawals are fine, but prolly people aren't doing it just to be safe.
mircea_popescu: gesell its possible.
dub: gesell: there will, and wait till it hits the press
mircea_popescu: yeah, outlook is a little bearish i guess
dub: I think $10 might be a bit bullish
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 44.15000
Bowjob: I'm dropping down 200 BTC
pizzaman1337: well, I can't wait to get myself some cheap coins if it drops
gesell: so its a selfish question now but ive always invested long term. and now im wondering if its time to pull and wait
mod6: pizzaman1337: same
Bowjob: pull put. i'll sell 200 BTC for 8k
the-bucket-shop: still 25 coins every 10 minutes as far as I know. long term should be good gesell
mircea_popescu: so far options aren't moving at all.
gesell: the-bucket-shop: the long term is great. but the bible says to be a good steward with your money so im just wondering if im being a total idiot just holding at this point
gesell: ;)
mircea_popescu: im guessing people don't judge major drop likely.
smickles: ;;view
gribble: #13963 Mon Mar 11 18:45:10 2013 smickles SELL 1.0 0.7 blockchain @ 50 btc (None)
mircea_popescu: got any offers yet ?
smickles: yup
kakobrekla: r u srs?
kakobrekla: ill sell for 25
smickles: nope
smickles: ;D
gesell: what are you selling smickles, dont get it
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: :D
gesell: just selling the dat files? huh
smickles: gesell: because of the current situation, people who are on .8 and want .7 need to redownload the chain
Bowjob: heck ill sell for $13.29
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 43.49999
Bowjob: what i paid for
Bowjob: lol
smickles: a direct transfer from me to them would be a lot faster
gesell: heh, okay
gesell: im on 0.7 with last update 25 days ago
Chaang-Noi: bit is 42
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.20000, Best ask: 43.20758, Bid-ask spread: 0.00758, Last trade: 43.20000, 24 hour volume: 81127.52521536, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.26895
Chaang-Noi: or was lol
mircea_popescu: heh.
kakobrekla: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
smickles: !ticker ^OIX
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
kakobrekla: book aint problematic
the-bucket-shop: hold on if I'm still not upgraded I can sell something?
smickles: $vwap ^oix
mpexbot: smickles: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'4086787592', u'max': u'5325215905', u'vsa': u'954675808260', u'vsh': u'no', u'avg': u'5157005239'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
the-bucket-shop: I'm trying to catch up
kakobrekla: but its impossible to trade
kakobrekla: with 30 sec lag
dub: its just a correction
smickles: ;;goxlag
gribble: 157.044926 seconds
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
kakobrekla: or 157
mircea_popescu: bejaysus
mod6: :/
Bowjob: we need to summon satoshi
Bowjob: Earth!
gesell: does delay translate to some meaningful guage of load on gox?
smickles: the OIX is at 51?
mod6: yea
smickles: wtf?
toffoo: help me satoshi nakamoto, you're our only hope
smickles: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 46.31
mod6: only options today were 192 CALL @ 47
mircea_popescu: smickles nothing moved.
mircea_popescu: yet at least.
dub: gesell: it translates to 'gox is incapable of handling moderate load'
smickles: ;;calc 41/1.11
gribble: 36.9369369369
mircea_popescu: dub for some values of moderate such as
smickles: ;;calc 43/1.14
gribble: 37.7192982456
gesell: hmm, any predictions on bit bets effected by this
dub: gesell: alternatively 'bitcoin is a joke'
mircea_popescu: "what the average metro payment terminal in tokyo processes"
smickles: ;;calc 75/1.62
gribble: 46.2962962963
smickles: woops
smickles: ;;calc 75/1.79
gribble: 41.8994413408
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 42.99000, 24 hour volume: 82087.73745767, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.19856
pizzaman1337: $1 spread
mircea_popescu: oh i see the girl is adequately incensed
mircea_popescu: paying her in btc was the best move ever.
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: she's like "they did what"
mircea_popescu: and im like "yes. here's pike bring heads"
dub: no rly?
dub: No cause we're too cool for testnet and elbow grease, gotta spend 16 hours a day on -dev talking about what we think of Satoshi Dice and how many whales fatass Gmaxwell could swallow whole.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 10 @ 0.79079695 = 7.908 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: bunch of cock-meat sandwiches
dub: man, if those ddos kids were on to it
dub: they could REALLY fuck shit up right now
mircea_popescu: ya let's keep that part a little quieter shall we.
kakobrekla: :D
dub: but I want $2
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
smickles: i see that as a goos ~8 btc spent
smickles: *good
gesell: this one might get closer http://bitbet.us/bet/283/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-hit-50-in-march/
ThickAsThieves: so in a situation like this, where the usd/btc may fall on confidence, am i safer being mostly invested in assets?
ThickAsThieves: or more exposed?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves possibly. hard to gauge
davout: why are you guys even here
mircea_popescu: we have very little mkt history to go by
davout: all the cool kids are on bitcoin-dev
mircea_popescu: davout urmom was on the rag.
gesell: davout: to take advantage of fallouts?
mircea_popescu: no, only the dubiously metrosexual are on -dev
smickles: ThickAsThieves: if a significat amount of investors view their assets in terms of usd, then mebbe
mircea_popescu: smickles this is the time to buy eskimoblobs thing!
smickles: else: no
ThickAsThieves: i spent all day buying ltc assets
grubles: where da ltc assets at
smickles: mircea_popescu: no, this was clearly the time to <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 10 @ 0.79079695 = 7.908 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: grubles btcto ?
ThickAsThieves: litecoinglobal.com
davout: bitcoin just became fun again
mircea_popescu: smickles short puts ?
smickles: well, from your end
the-bucket-shop: I think s.dice and bitvps would benefit. except that s.dice money faucet is turned off.
the-bucket-shop: because of a bad btc price
grubles: mircea_popescu: link?
gesell: davout: totally
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 199.519792 seconds
smickles: mircea_popescu: i bought them, if the bc,24hprc moves to the current spot, they break even
kakobrekla: ...
kakobrekla: go gox.
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 41.40000
smickles: wasn't it over 1500 goxlag the other day
pgp2: coinbr down again?
gesell: by all intents and purposes this is most definitely a crash
dub: this is early days
smickles: lol, coinbr down. mpex.coinbr up
vampireb: imo a crash is good
davout: is mtgox even still trading ?
dub: crash comes when the media wakes up
smickles: mircea_popescu: i also have those p310t's i bought a while back
davout: dub: not necessarily if it was taken care of quickly
Bowjob: All right, I'm not panicking. Stay frosty
gesell: Bowjob: don't panik, just buy when it all settles
gesell: well
dub: ;;goxlag
gesell: i shouldnt give any advice. i dont know jack. but i will hedge a little when it bottoms out anyway, for myself
gribble: 256.034339 seconds
smickles: best thing to do now is buy beer with bitcoin
kakobrekla: ;;ticer
gribble: Error: "ticer" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.21110, Best ask: 41.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18890, Last trade: 41.40000, 24 hour volume: 86823.51454120, 24 hour low: 41.20000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.94411
smickles: possibly free beer
dub: gox is trying to trade as always
Bowjob: actually, I could sell a few coins and buy back cheaper
Bowjob: mhm
dub: the little trading engine that could
dub: ('nt)
mircea_popescu: sorry grubles link for what ?
Chaang-Noi: odd 12 ours oga this chan was dead as dead, wake up to panic, ahhh btc :)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.60269, Best ask: 41.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.59731, Last trade: 41.20000, 24 hour volume: 91789.11504056, 24 hour low: 40.01110, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.66073
mircea_popescu: holy.
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: Brb, panicking now
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.37260, Best ask: 40.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12740, Last trade: 40.50000, 24 hour volume: 91802.34794623, 24 hour low: 40.01110, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.65939
Chaang-Noi: gox cant fall to far..people cant send gox coins to sell :)
wiggzz: so what're the running odds that puts on mpex actually pay out if btc crashes very low?
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
mircea_popescu: wiggzz 100%.
wiggzz: are they hedged?
pizzaman1337: Chaang-Noi: but when they open it up, there could be a selloff
mircea_popescu: yes, the only way to write them is by depositing capital
Chaang-Noi: after 6 trasactions could be a sell off yes... but people seeing it is fixed will be like, cheap coinz!!!!!!!
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 very likely actually.
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure i know how this drama will play out
wiggzz: but, on a put required capital is not as great as they can fall
Chaang-Noi: fiat in the gox will beat the 6 confirm sell off
gesell: something that really disturbs me right now is the number of way overpriced buy bids still sitting on bitcoin.de (a p2p exchange with pretty high volume)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 10 @ 0.1721919 = 1.7219 BTC
Chaang-Noi: even if we go to $25 we will bounce right back up if this shit gets sorted quickly
Chaang-Noi: btw eta on this being fixed?
gesell: mtgox price is at 31eu but you could still sell on bitcoin.de for 36
Bowjob: should be a few hours
pizzaman1337: Chaang-Noi: as soon as the 0.7 chain is longer, I think. Not sure how far behind it is.
the-bucket-shop: gesell what time is it in de 4 am?
gesell: yeah 3:30
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 299.836034 seconds
Chaang-Noi: yeah id like to know the leanth of the chains
mircea_popescu: wiggzz puts are bounded by fiat value
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: you can't make more than 50 bucks on a 50 struck put
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.01000, Best ask: 40.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 40.01000, 24 hour volume: 92084.38009144, 24 hour low: 40.01000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.64045
kakobrekla: we are at 35 or 45 imho
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla likely 35-37 ya
gesell: im a bit worried selling on bitcoin.de though because if the buyer doesnt care to loose a bit of reputation they could just backout
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i would guess it will be solved within a couple of hourd.
gesell: 35, really? what, end of the month or just tomorrow or something?
Chaang-Noi: okay, ill go pay insurance for my truck.. and ship off some wild honey... i need to get afk anyway:)
gesell: the thing with the bitcoin market is the reaction extends over a long period. so what you see happening now will continue in a similar manner with the EU wakes up
kakobrekla: hey, EU is awake
gesell: nope
kakobrekla: well we are up
kakobrekla: me mircea_popescu and jurov
kakobrekla: is there some one else relevant?
wiggzz: right, but in BTC the required collateral was only strike / spot
gesell: ive watched it happen. a lul for a few hours then around 10am de time (8 9 whatever UK) a lot of activity
Bowjob: ;;eightball Is this the end for bitcoin?
gribble: No chance.
mod6: :]
Bowjob: The eightball has spoken!
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: I'm not really relevant, but most of the time I'm over there
Bowjob: Everyone quit panicking, its just a few blocks. Tomorrow, we shall see $50
mod6: i <3 gribble
Chaang-Noi: davout> Chaang-Noi: approx 12 blocks difference
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 i was just messing with gesell
pizzaman1337: :)
gesell: Bowjob: im not paniking. just aknowledging that the market is filled with a significant number of people investing more short term that will panik
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.00000, Best ask: 40.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 99762.92721491, 24 hour low: 38.01051, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.12452
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 40.00000
kakobrekla: a round number!
pizzaman1337: quick, take a screenshot!
kakobrekla: quick play SD
dub: shit is broken?
kakobrekla: prolly
smickles: wiggzz: the additions funds needed would probably come from mpbor
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 355.023263 seconds
wiggzz: say you write a put at 21, with USDBTC at 40, required collateral is 0.525 BTC?
kakobrekla: so does lag go only up?
wiggzz: but if USDBTC drops to 1, payout is 20 USD which would be 20 BTC... way more than required collateral?
kakobrekla: imma go long on lag
smickles: wiggzz: the mpbor assumes the risk of mpex options
kakobrekla: who can help me out?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.14725493 = 147.2549 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: help with what?
pigeons: i'll take the over on lag
mircea_popescu: heh there we go
kakobrekla: smickles to go long on lag
pizzaman1337: we need an MPSIC for goxlag
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.17572879 = 175.7288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 51.57005239 / 53.25215905 (no shares, 9,546.76 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.90000, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 101521.68067860, 24 hour low: 37.90000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00561
smickles: woo
kakobrekla: deep.
mircea_popescu: wiggzz that issue is taken care of by a little insurance premium on oputs issuance
smickles: ;;bids 31
mircea_popescu: and in exchange i settle puts in fiat in case of utter collapse
gribble: There are currently 33593.186 bitcoins demanded at or over 31.0 USD, worth 1149514.37586 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0061 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.15522008 = 155.2201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.18486613 = 184.8661 BTC [+]
wiggzz: ok, good to know
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.1040628 = 104.0628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.12826263 = 128.2626 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 51.57005239 / 53.25215905 (no shares, 9,546.76 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: no srsly ?
Chaang-Noi: i should have shorted btc :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that unchanged on the 7day?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 365.309178 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.80000, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 101597.26956421, 24 hour low: 37.80000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00044
mircea_popescu: smickles yeh. i wonder wtf.
smickles: $vwap ^oix
mpexbot: smickles: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'4086787592', u'max': u'5325215905', u'vsa': u'954675808260', u'vsh': u'no', u'avg': u'5157005239'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
smickles: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 45.11
wiggzz: bitcoin.clarkmoody.com down...
mircea_popescu: heh
Bowjob: $45.51
Bowjob: according to coinlab
Bowjob: lol
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 564.66904 seconds
Bowjob: damn
kakobrekla: 37 on bitstamp
Bowjob: 89 min ago
dub: nicely scaling there gox
dub: linear even
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 584.930613 seconds
kakobrekla: so gox is turning in historcial btc chart reading site
mircea_popescu: lol
Bowjob: how much will BTC drop by do you think
Chaang-Noi: https://coinbase.com/network/blocks block races website
kakobrekla: this is a serious problem
gesell: to $25
kakobrekla: even if you guys find it funny
kakobrekla: serious tranders dont suffer shit like this
kakobrekla: traders
kakobrekla: you want to bring wall street to btc?
pigeons: https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks
kakobrekla: kill gox
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 7 @ 0.12612881 = 0.8829 BTC [-]
gesell: kakobrekla: first, im sorry this is all happening. im sure it is ruining some peoples day. but why do you see it as a mtgox problem?
Chaang-Noi: pigeons see my link, i found that helpful
smickles: gesell: traditional markes shut down at times like these
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: tell me something
kakobrekla: when you go to a foregin country
kakobrekla: and you need some of their currecny
kakobrekla: do you go to your FX broker to get it?
pizzaman1337: I wish
kakobrekla: or to buy phycal gold?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're telling me ?
kakobrekla: im telling gesell
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: fuycking painful shit.
dub: whats a time like this for traditional markets?
kakobrekla: or if you trade stocks
kakobrekla: do you have a broker
mircea_popescu: pigeons are we merged ?
kakobrekla: or do you go on the trading floor yourself
kakobrekla: and yell there
smickles: dub: movements over x%
mircea_popescu: halelujah
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1 @ 0.17769942 BTC [-]
gesell: kakobrekla: sorry, im not following
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 9 @ 0.12120114 = 1.0908 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: :\
mircea_popescu: 11 blocks
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 36.80000
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.10590572 = 105.9057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.15775711 = 157.7571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.13044382 = 130.4438 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.68160, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.31840, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 105824.64907266, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.68534
Bowjob: Are we allowed to do transactions
Bowjob: ?
smickles: yea
smickles: it might be risky on the chain tho
gesell: i dont know, im not a fan of kill switches so i'd like to see bitcoin-dev's learn from this so that similar bugs in the future can be handled without shutting anything down
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 444.693169 seconds
Bowjob: I can sell coins now at 38.50 now
Bowjob: before this shit blows out of proportions
smickles: goxlag is dropping?
smickles: it was over 600 a moment ago
gesell: ;;goxlag-but-make-it-intersting-please
gribble: Error: "goxlag-but-make-it-intersting-please" is not a valid command.
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 369.036619 seconds
smickles: gesell: i think most btc exchanges are anti-killswitch
smickles: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 44.92
gesell: ;;goxlag
smickles: ;;calc 45/1.18
gribble: 38.1355932203
gribble: 338.887145 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.08420338 = 84.2034 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.01138, Best ask: 40.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.98862, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 107876.01377001, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.55733
kakobrekla: this somehow reminds me of http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/estimation.png
dub: lol
gesell: question... so just curious would the initial errors that 0.7 clients were reporting (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30587843) that sipa mentions, would those just be bug reports to bitcointalk or to sourceforge bug tracker or? just curious where alerts of such issues before its plastered everywhere would come from
gesell: did anyone see where this first started and was coming to the surface?
the-bucket-shop: blockchain.info is still scrolling satoshidice bets. I wonder which blockchain
dub: they only disabled payouts
dub: (obv)
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 483.195032 seconds
gesell: i wonder if apart from the discussion about soft limits, we will also start to see features that give more oversight and regulation, even if more symbolic than bernanke like. such letting bitcoin-dev patch or blacklist more quickly or perhaps at will
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 23 @ 0.86122741 = 19.8082 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Aight, I guaratneed 75 BTC to be sold at.. $2799
Bowjob: for the next 3 hours
Bowjob: lets see what happenes
dub: gesell: the attitude of the dev team has always been that bitcoin is their little science experiment and its not intended for production
Uglux: <satoshinakamoto> I'm back to save the day
Uglux: lol
kakobrekla: no no
digiJesusSatoshi: must be liek dat.
gesell: dub: i dont think my statement disagress with that at all. just looking at new horizons for the experiment
digiJesusSatoshi: Luke-Jr YOU MUST BEHAVE U HEAR ME
dub: you're going to have a hard time selling these guys oversight
gesell: dub: i agree. if it comes though it would be slowly and with a different label
pigeons: gesell: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/ca7739797ce7990ebb9f33852412f2c3f6950b0d
gesell: saw it
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 42.65559, Bid-ask spread: 0.05559, Last trade: 42.60000, 24 hour volume: 109984.04612509, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.45198
Bowjob: hey did we recover
gesell: this event is fascinating actually
kakobrekla: nature is amazing. ~ ron swanson
vampireb: not recovered, there still a fork.
vampireb: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 42.72770, Bid-ask spread: 0.12770, Last trade: 42.60000, 24 hour volume: 109893.67866310, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.44885
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: 482.005774 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225452 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
dub: ;;bc,price
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 46.86 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 34 seconds
ThickAsThieves: lies
Bowjob: ;;eightball How's LTC
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
Bowjob: erm, i shoulda asked a yes or no q
Bowjob: lol
gesell: blacklistblock = regulation. though peer agreed. which is fascinating because we do not have such language in traditional finance
gesell: or we do but a bit more abstracted and not so clear as it is here
kakobrekla: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
kakobrekla: looks like flipper.
gesell: that is a huge spread
kakobrekla: pres B for left side and S for right side
kakobrekla: play!
Line_: In gaven we trust
Bowjob: Maybe Satoshi is looking from afar
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.03000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 111563.57296537, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.44028
gesell: just for the record the drop started at 2:41am GMT+1 (had some logs)
davos: Bowjob: I'd rather put money on satoshi being 2 or 3 people over in -dev
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Buy! Buy! Buy?
gribble: _I_ don't know.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Is Satoshi Nakamoto 1 person?
gribble: What are you asking me for?
Bowjob: >_>
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Sell all BTC for LTC?
gribble: The outlook is good.
gesell: "(04:04:59) gmaxwell: jeffgarzik is /msging me telling me that jgarzik is an imposter." --- heh, and people still have the heart to troll. oh internets
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00000039 / 0.00000053 / 0.00000053 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's up with that?
ThickAsThieves: oix killed bitcoin
mircea_popescu: smickles i just dug up oix to see wtf.
gesell: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 45.00000
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 559.099063 seconds
mircea_popescu: but basically nothing is wrong with it
mircea_popescu: just... the weight of the calls sold is so much heavier than the weight of the puts bought just now
mircea_popescu: that the oix still points to high btc
mircea_popescu: so it is working as intended, be that useful or not
Bowjob: so its still bullish btc?
ThickAsThieves: devs dont seem to be using public chat now
ThickAsThieves: btc always bullish (in betweeen crashes)
smickles: mircea_popescu: isn't it off by about 8 digits?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.89104856 / 0.00000053 / 53.27237035 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Bowjob: okay everything fixed
mircea_popescu: heh yeah 1 sec
mircea_popescu: bad cache
smickles: http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns:double_top_reversal
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.89104856 / 53.82025731 / 53.27237035 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
smickles: yay:D
mircea_popescu: wait volume went away nao lo;\
smickles: $markov
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: your blog fails to load
smickles: lol
mircea_popescu: lol
BitHub: how many hours till next asicminer divy?
BitHub: 48?
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 166.108439 seconds
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 44.90000
topace_: jesus whats going on with the blockchain??
pizzaman1337: http://bitcoin.org/chainfork.html
smickles: know waht? pps pool are boned
kakobrekla: bitcoin split, price crashed all while you were takign a piss
kakobrekla: all well now.
BitHub: safe to recieve payments again?
smickles: nope
smickles: you ought to wait until the .7 (short) chain grows longer than the main chain
smickles: and some miners are still adding to the main chain
ThickAsThieves: Schrödinger's BitBet - This bet will have more total BTC bet on Yes than on No before it closes.
smickles: and there is still confusion among the devs
ThickAsThieves: good?
pizzaman1337: ThickAsThieves: awesome
ThickAsThieves: i had a few ideas for meta bets
ThickAsThieves: had to submit one
BitHub: hmmm
kakobrekla: dunno if those are approved
BitHub: so if someone sends me coins now they're gone for good?
ThickAsThieves: the bet has a fault, or a bonus depending on how you look at it
kakobrekla: imho they will be respendable with the longer chain not containing that tx
ThickAsThieves: people will bet til it closes ... and after
the-bucket-shop: ThickAsThievs - you just blew my mind
kakobrekla: which mean a few bitbets will have to be invalidated
kakobrekla: or something
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: >The risk is small because this is not a network split-- transactions are being sent to both sides of the chain split, and it is unlikely (but possible) that somebody could get two versions of the same transaction into the two sides of the chain.
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: apparently not a real problem
smickles: < BitHub> so if someone sends me coins now they're gone for good? << no, it's up to which chain it's included in
BitHub: mmk
smickles: basically, it's just risky
kakobrekla: totoally oposite of bitcoin in general.
smickles: yup
kakobrekla: fuckin keboard fails
mircea_popescu: and it is unlikely (but possible) <><< yeah. they know.
mircea_popescu: because it's just a prototype, right ?
mircea_popescu: what is the barrier to entry to this, make two txs,b roadcast it to two diff nodes.
kakobrekla: the version is below 1 right?
kakobrekla: so don fuck around.
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 17.295316 seconds
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01000, Best ask: 45.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.88900, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 119265.24377758, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.50395
topace_: how can you tell if your bitcoin daemon is on the right chain?
topace_: (on the 0.7 chain)
smickles: topace_: as a regualr user, i dunno. but it'll switch over automatically when the .7 chain is longer
kakobrekla: by the block height
kakobrekla: ?
mircea_popescu: topace_ you can't
mircea_popescu: bsically.
mircea_popescu: cause it's not a matter of your daemon
mircea_popescu: you just emit txs. the miners add them on their mempools
mircea_popescu: you have no idea what they run
smickles: right now, you can 'bitcoind getinfo' and look at the height. current 'wrong' chain is at 225453, .7 is at 225442
kakobrekla: what i said.
smickles: kakobrekla: but the differenc will be more and more difficult to tell soon
kakobrekla: yep
mircea_popescu: good luck getting the miners to accept a 14 block loss
mircea_popescu: that's like 350 btc
kakobrekla: pool are gonna hurt
smickles: mircea_popescu: some arn't, the largest pools are
smickles: only pps pools are fucked
mircea_popescu: smickles explain why the "wrong" one is longer then.
kakobrekla: good day for not to be a pool op
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it prolly destroyes those unfortunate fucks that paid out on the 0 diff
smickles: mircea_popescu: it mined a block sized larger than 250k
smickles: funny, no?
mircea_popescu: no i meant blocvk height
mircea_popescu: the wrong chain is lionger yet you're telling me the miners are moving.
mircea_popescu: proof ?
smickles: the wrong one mined a block which .7 clients couldn't see
mircea_popescu: yeah...
dub: good day for not being the guild pool op
smickles: mircea_popescu: look at blockchain.info, the major pools are mining an orphaned chain
dub: double whammy there
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY
mircea_popescu: and my point is, they will continue to do so.
mircea_popescu: because they have no incentive not to.
mircea_popescu: and if they move back in they're 400 btc out.
smickles: you've got it backwards tho
mircea_popescu: have i ?
kakobrekla: well bitbet seems to be on the right one
smickles: the orphaned chain is the 'right' one
smickles: it's just not long enough yet
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: let me guess... so the longer chain is the wrong one. because that's why it's longer
mircea_popescu: cause nobody mines on it.
mircea_popescu: wtf ?!
smickles: yeah, gotta love all those peeps encouraging the pool ops to mine blocks larger than 250k b/c of SD
gesell: the crash and recovery in ascii glory http://i.imgur.com/hgYAta0.gif
smickles: they mined on the 'wrong' one for some time b/f peeps realized there was a problem
smickles: now the 'right' one is trying to catch up
Bowjob: i thoguht its solved already
mircea_popescu: i love the various people on bitcointalk trying to move the conversation
mircea_popescu: anywhere but away from the point that devs fucked up
smickles: Bowjob: they have a band=aid fix, revert to the old chain
mircea_popescu: anything and everything shall be discussed, but god forbid someone gets bitchslapped
Bowjob: and i hope everyone is actually mining on the 0.72 chain
mircea_popescu: Bowjob we see their rate of gain
mircea_popescu: if in an hour the "werong" one is +2...
smickles: Bowjob: some are, some arnt
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225453 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 338 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
smickles: 225453 is the 'wrong' chain
smickles: 225443 is the .7 chain
kakobrekla: from now on ill be runing 0.1 legacy
smickles: if i had enough coins to justify it, i might run one of each
smickles: it's only 8 right now
smickles: ya know, there's a chance this band-aid fix won't work, the .8 chain looks like it might be going faster than the .7
error4733: BFL_Josh : 11 March 2013 Update : Say what you want about BFL, but we make ASICs look good.
error4733: best joke ever
Bowjob: They make Avalon look good
Bowjob: heck, Avalons come with gloves
mircea_popescu: smickles aha
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 15 @ 0.81355 = 12.2033 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm.. http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: watching this is entertaining as fuck
PeterL: The 'right' chain is definately catching up to the 'wrong' one
PeterL: I think in the past hour the 'right' chain has gone up 5 blocks, the 'wrong' one has gone up 2
mircea_popescu: PeterL they're even now or am i on delayed data ?
smickles: ah, i think i screwed up my look at it then
smickles: they're still 9 blocks from forcing the switch
smickles: 8 blocks to be even
PeterL: how will this outage affect satoshiDice share price?
Bowjob: bt we're winnign at least
mircea_popescu: is the wrong one taller than 445 ?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
smickles: 453
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00530001 / 0.00551785 / 0.00569996 (11580 shares, 63.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0051045 / 0.006 (200407 shares, 1,022.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00614247 / 0.0069 (2518785 shares, 15,471.58 BTC)
mircea_popescu: PeterL so far doesn't seem to have affected it
smickles: PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
mircea_popescu: smickles the 250k arbitrary limit had to go anyway
mircea_popescu: it had no point being there in the first place
smickles: yeah, but not now. it could've undergone more testing
mircea_popescu: not putting bullshit in the codebase takes no testing
mircea_popescu: it just takes some firm adherence to coding principle.
smickles: so you think there should be no limit?
mircea_popescu: the 1mb limit is THE limit.
kakobrekla: why a souch arbitrary number
mircea_popescu: they need to go through the whole code and take out all the bs of the sort.
kakobrekla: its no better than 250k
kakobrekla: really
mircea_popescu: yeah, but
mircea_popescu: the 1mb is baked in now
Bowjob: If we hit 1mb limit
Bowjob: then what
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: the (undocumented) limit to client tx size for instance, is not.
smickles: txfees rise
Bowjob: Satoshi envisioned 100 GB per day
gesell: jesus multiplied 7 fishes
Bowjob: he had fishes under the table
smickles: btcguild gunning for 5 in a row now
mod6: http://youtu.be/c0SuIMUoShI << my gf sends her regards
mod6: \:
smickles: ya know, it's quite possible that there is only one electron in the whole universe
jborkl_: better not tell the protons
smickles: the protons can't tell one electron from the other anyway
smickles: they all look alike
mod6: depends on the scale. at the plank scale everything is a different
mod6: s/a//
mod6: so there is a 1mb limit now?
dub: no theres a 250k limit
smickles: mod6: i thought all electrons were indistinguishable as far as our best tech can tell
smickles: and the wiki says that electrons can't be distinguished even in principle
mod6: uhhh, i dunno
mod6: if its on the internet it must be true
smickles: it's stuff i recall from studying science tho
gesell: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.802029 seconds
dub: <smickles> PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
dub: wat
mod6: im not trying to troll, i don't know srsly.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.64974, Best ask: 44.87125, Bid-ask spread: 0.22151, Last trade: 44.88000, 24 hour volume: 126419.84432523, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.49347
smickles: dub: this would not have happened now if people were not encouraging pool ops to raise the soft limit on block size because of 'satoshiDice spam'
dub: uh they had to raise it
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: it would have happened later
dub: because of the dice spam
mircea_popescu: when it'd have been worse.
smickles: or after it got caught in testing
smickles: and had no issue at all
smickles: who knows
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.
dub: the soft limit was hit
mircea_popescu: because bitcoin is tested.
mircea_popescu: mod6 there always was a 1mb limit
smickles: mircea_popescu: they do do a little on the testnet, it's just that the queue of stuff to test is long, and noone want's to help out
smickles: dub: http://blockchain.info/block-index/357948/000000000000015c50b165fcdd33556f8b44800c5298943ac70b112df480c023 the soft limit was raised
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 12 seconds
smickles: that's the offending block
jurov: uff, coinbr back online
dub: smickles: yes it was raised to accomodate dice
mircea_popescu: france
mircea_popescu: should have known
smickles: mircea_popescu: 23 minutes on the .7 chain
smickles: dub: we weren't hitting the softcap that offten
mircea_popescu: smickles maybe they'll merge then
dub: smickles: yes we were, there was 4000 unconfirmed txn when the call went out to up the limit
dub: smickles: it became a problem when dice increased their fee
dub: pushing everyone else out of the way
mircea_popescu: right
smickles: hmm, i recall there being thousands of unconfirmed txns for months and months
dub: smickles: yeah dice txns
mircea_popescu: size 980kb nice block lol
dub: which everyone was used to living with, when it suddenly turned into mom and pop's txns taking days to confirm somethign had tobe done
mircea_popescu: dub mom and pop need to stfu and pay for tx
dub: yes but they didn't know that
mircea_popescu: right.
dub: had no forewarning
mircea_popescu: its on the interwebs so its free etc.
mircea_popescu: not like iot says right there, "put a little tx fee, it helps the network" etc
dub: so sayign teh anti-dice crew are responsible is wrong
smickles: dub: i can see that we disagree, but i don't think the limit should be raised until the necessary txfee is unreasonably high
mircea_popescu: the idiots are responsible.
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.76255342 / 44.74483325 / 53.27237035 (65320 shares, 22,376.48 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: heh 44
smickles: dub: and i don't think i said they were responsible, i said they forced the issue
dub: anti-dice would be work to exclude their tsn not increas the limit
smickles: some were saying that, some were saying raise the limit
benkay: what's the mtgox lag command?
dub: ;;goxlag
benkay: ;;lag
gribble: 0.156882 seconds
gribble: Error: "lag" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;goxlag
gribble: 1.148831 seconds
benkay: cool thanks.
benkay: "antifragility"
benkay: what was the delay between blockchain fork and broadcast?
benkay: i bet < 5 minutes
dub: broadcast?
smickles: $mpexlag
mpexbot: smickles: 0.0727469921112 seconds
smickles: mircea_popescu: ^^
dub: was there an alert sent to 0.8? I don't see it in .7
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.103024959564 seconds
smickles: benkay: it was less than 6 block according to one claim by someone in -dev
mircea_popescu: dude this will be so humiliating to mtgox
mircea_popescu: thing about it, you're getting it through 2 proxies
benkay: naw man
benkay: rubes don't care
benkay: they have a fancy website
mircea_popescu: heh.
benkay: oh wait, you said "humiliating"
mircea_popescu: and they're bringing the clap to wallstreet
benkay: yeah maybe.
benkay: i hope morgan and co drop the ball hard
benkay: be a shame to see the us consolidate under their iron grip
topace_: bitcoind listtransactions bitches abotu safe mode, is there a way to tell it to just show me the transactions anyways?
ThickAsThieves: i cant see wall st investing in something that is controlled by devs in IRC
benkay: "wall st" != jp
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.104865074158 seconds
pigeons: topace_: bitcoind -disablesafemode
mircea_popescu: topace_ careful with that one
BingoBongo: ;;wallstreet
gribble: Error: "wallstreet" is not a valid command.
Ukto: topace: at least you didnt freeze trading :D
topace_: yea, no need to do that :p
Ukto: i found that funny >,>
smickles: who freezed trading?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.08731834 = 87.3183 BTC [+]
Ukto: i suppose its an okay response to kneejerk reaction
Ukto: btct
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.10970785 = 109.7079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hm
smickles: geez, we're still 9 blocks from a re-org
Ukto: having tie-ins with ozco's systems, and others, my system keeps a close eye on all transactions lol
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 39 / 1.109
gribble: 35.1668169522
mircea_popescu: 35 ? srsly ?
Ukto: pools offline
Ukto: and/or miners
Ukto: only those pools who were properly setup/unefected continue
smickles: mircea_popescu: we had a double top and a crisis. we're going to 2
Ukto: like.. ozco :P
Ukto: who didnt set their block size to 1bazillion
benkay: mircea_popescu: what are you calculating there?
smickles: benkay: break even of a put
topace_: 225445 still the top of the 0.7 ? my 0.8 client still shows 225453
benkay: what's the 1.109? interest rate?
benkay: oh, cost?
smickles: topace_: yeah
benkay: shit this is embarrassing.
mircea_popescu: benkay what those puts imply pricewise
smickles: benkay: 1+cost
topace_: smickles:so the 0.8 clients wont switch until the height is more?
smickles: topace_: yea
smickles: 1 more
topace_: cool im going to bed then, lol
smickles: er, 1 more than the current
benkay: thanks you two
smickles: so , 9 more blocks to go
mircea_popescu: still at 8 ?
smickles: yeah, still 8 blocks different
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 55 seconds
mircea_popescu: at least that didn't move.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.38403908 = 384.0391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.34210801 = 342.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.30194268 = 301.9427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.26374232 = 263.7423 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: shorts covering
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.22771516 = 227.7152 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles maybe you're right
mircea_popescu: !m ^oix
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
smickles: mircea_popescu: i only have a self taught understanding of technicals and i see it, so people who trade on technicals probably see it too and are taking action
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
pizzaman1337: $mpexlag
mpexbot: pizzaman1337: 0.0712060928345 seconds
the-bucket-shop: peter - if satoshi dice can land some press out of this, then probably there will be some more betting next few weeks.
mircea_popescu: "s.dice grows too large for bitcoin"
mod6: omg she is just gloating over here lol, she's been calling 'em mario coins since day one.
mircea_popescu: who lol
mod6: she's like, "oh gonna go play more dungons and dragons 'eh...."
mod6: my gf
mod6: she's a btc hater
mod6: and now shes gloating
mod6: :/
mircea_popescu: lo
mircea_popescu: l
the-bucket-shop: mp s.dice grows too large for bitcoin sounds way better than "bitcoin is forked" btc people who talk to the press have no option but to blame satoshidice very loudly.
the-bucket-shop: I'm an s.dice shareholder btw
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: sure, blame canada why not.
maximian: good thing this happened now and not when the market cap is $5B
mircea_popescu: maximian if the idiots hadn't put in the 250k limit it would have jhappened and been resolved in 2011
Chaang-Noi: nice to see the gap getting shorter
mircea_popescu: when you know... 1 single block would have caused it, it'd have been immediately noticed but no forking
the-bucket-shop: I'm sure this stuff will happen at $5B too. that's like the size of the New York School district
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mp the idots was satoshi, he just assumed we would change it later
smickles: 8 blocks to go
mircea_popescu: the-bucket-shop basically it will happen indefinitely for as long as we have a devteam that mostly works at trying to play government.
Chaang-Noi: they did it to protect from spamming
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i don't care what the excuse is.
mircea_popescu: they did it because their heads don't work.
mod6: he's not an idiot. he was very smart, if these new idiots can't hack their way out of a wet paper sack, thats not really his fault.
Chaang-Noi: in the frist few months someone could ahve attacked it with spam and killed it, who is to say that would not have happened?
mircea_popescu: dude first frw months
mircea_popescu: it is 2013 have some mercy
Chaang-Noi: i agree it should ahve been changed by now
mircea_popescu: long by!
Chaang-Noi: but having it in the first place was a good idea
mircea_popescu: jesus i'm clueless about bitcoin internals.
mircea_popescu: if it gets to the point where i am raising objections and they make sense
mircea_popescu: IT IS WAY TOO LONG
Chaang-Noi: honestly this issue is one of the reasons i went so hard core into ltc
Chaang-Noi: and that was over a year ago...
kakobrekla: how does ltc fix that ?
Chaang-Noi: faster blocks can fit more transactions
Chaang-Noi: also i have more faith in the ltc pools to change this cuz it is a small network now
Chaang-Noi: we can fix it with out too much issue, and i ahve been trying to get peole to move
pigeons: well the bdb index lock bug isnt only triggered by pure # of transactions
Chaang-Noi: pigeons it is size of the blocks right?
pigeons: no
Chaang-Noi: what is it then?
pigeons: not directly
Chaang-Noi: well indirectly then
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01200, Best ask: 45.35277, Bid-ask spread: 0.34077, Last trade: 45.42658, 24 hour volume: 129864.74982214, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.47226
pigeons: to say that litecoin is in anyway better on this issue is ridiculous
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 275 @ 0.38399185 = 105.5978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 275 @ 0.34205951 = 94.0664 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hm.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 275 @ 0.30189328 = 83.0207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 275 @ 0.26369245 = 72.5154 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: perhaps things are actually settling down ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 275 @ 0.22766534 = 62.608 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01200, Best ask: 45.42580, Bid-ask spread: 0.41380, Last trade: 45.42600, 24 hour volume: 129868.46652021, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.47196
benkay: how are the chain size and this recent fork related?
pigeons: benkay: not chain size, block size
benkay: okay
Chaang-Noi: pigeons you have not explained what you think the issue is yet you say what i said is silly... it is hard to attack a point you wont state
benkay: what's this referring to: mircea_popescu: maximian if the idiots hadn't put in the 250k limit it would have jhappened and been resolved in 2011
mircea_popescu: benkay the presence of a 250k arbitrary block limit
mircea_popescu: prevented the underlying problem of the db from being discovered
mircea_popescu: until that moment when a perfect storm composed out of a db upgrade and the limit removal
mircea_popescu: created two almost equal miner bases
benkay: oh i see, chain size and this fork i are idiots
mircea_popescu: this could have easily been avoided by simply not relying on magic numbers.
benkay: heh
mircea_popescu: and it will ever be the case that whenever code contains a number based on an assumption
benkay: developers hate unconstrained systems
mircea_popescu: that code wuill break spectacularly.
Bowjob: 3.00% fee of CaVirtex
Bowjob: thats steep
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 3 @ 0.15129407 = 0.4539 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: it can be constrained to 2tb for start
mircea_popescu: it's just not how you code.
mircea_popescu: 0, 1, infinity.
mircea_popescu: that's the motherfucking rule.
topace_: Bowjob: cavirtex is only 3% to start with, its volume based... pretty easy to get down tto 1%
topace_: or even 0.5%
smickles: $mpex lag
smickles: $mpexlag
mpexbot: smickles: 0.10756111145 seconds
Bowjob: dont i get charged per trade?
Bowjob: so I have to keep trading until I bring it down to 1%
pigeons: yeah it was .5% for its first couple years but couldnt make any money + scammers
pigeons: that interac email transfer thing was a mistake
Chaang-Noi: some trolling fun if you are up for it http://buttcoin.org/bitcoin-has-forked-markets-are-fucked-massive-sell-off-ship-is-sinking
Bowjob: mhm yah thevolume isnt that high on virtex
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the something bawwwfull crowd... btc goes 15 to 45, they're like whelp
mircea_popescu: bitcoin goes 45 to 40 for 15 minutes... omg MUST MAKE ALL THE POSTS
smickles: pigeons: check your $mail
mircea_popescu: tomorrow it'll be like... what, nothing happened. so what if it's 50. doesn't prove anything
smickles: pigeons: check your $email
smickles: imean
Chaang-Noi: mp yeah 15 to 45, then a short dip to 38 and they are like, told you its over, lulz
smickles: uh oh, badchain got longer
Bowjob: whos mining on badchain
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 53 seconds
mircea_popescu: whoa
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 29 seconds
mircea_popescu: so what's best case scenario here, something like 16 blocks chain orphaned ?
mod6: oh looks like btcguild got another
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 9 seconds
mod6: oh wtf
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is the bad chain gribble sees
gribble: Current Blocks: 225454 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 337 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4838985.15316 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.78577
Chaang-Noi: back to 27, oh lulz btc. how you troll us
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.46002, Best ask: 46.75436, Bid-ask spread: 0.29434, Last trade: 46.93566, 24 hour volume: 134874.62479342, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.53366
Chaang-Noi: https://coinbase.com/network/blocks us this
Chaang-Noi: use*
Chaang-Noi: it has been 44 mins
ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/blocks
Bowjob: im not sure how to interpret the data
Bowjob: so.. are we all good then?
ThickAsThieves: we want the "orphaned" one to win I believe
Bowjob: oh god
ThickAsThieves: it'll be a few hours i guess
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1614614#msg1614614
Bowjob: who is mining on 0.8 then?
mircea_popescu: consensus emerges.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin devs to stop all development of new versions, work on bitcoin specification exclusively, then release one cleanned up bitcoin version.
mircea_popescu: an' take it from there.
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110903978348 seconds
Bowjob: BFL should atone for their sins and mine with the ASICs if they have them and help save the network
ThickAsThieves: overall this still lowers difficulty next round a little right?
maximian: Bowjob the network is being saved right now…. it's just taking some time because hashing power is split between two chains.
ThickAsThieves: they had to remine blocks right?
ThickAsThieves: and a portion of the hashing is still going to dead blocks
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes it does
Bowjob: yeah but who is mining on 0.8 still?
mircea_popescu: diff shall have a hole in it
Bowjob: they have no clue?
ThickAsThieves: people sleep
mircea_popescu: Bowjob prolly p2pool
ThickAsThieves: i wanna sleep
Bowjob: sleep?
Bowjob: whats that
ThickAsThieves: but i also wanna watch the fireworks
ThickAsThieves: so this is good for asicminer(s), they get an extra day of lower diff, maybe more
BitHub: whens the nev div due?
BitHub: 40 hours?
ThickAsThieves: wed/thu
BitHub: sweeet
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225454 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 337 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4838985.15316 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.78577
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they are the largest losers mining on dead chain
BingoBongo: Interesting how p2pool was supposed to "prevent network centralization" seems to be doing the job...
ThickAsThieves: asicminer is on the main chain, btcguild
Bowjob: so basically if i get this right, those mining on 0.8 are wasting their time
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: their blocks will never get confirmed
Bowjob: by "main" you mean 0.7
ThickAsThieves: unless they fork intentionally...
ThickAsThieves: yes
BitHub: any press conference release statements from the devs yet?
ThickAsThieves: the one with majority hashing power
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo exactly.
ThickAsThieves: essentially btcguild and the other big ones are doing a 51% attack
ThickAsThieves: to go back to the .7 chain
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and it's not trivial to get the fuck off .8
mircea_popescu: because you'll need old chain
kakobrekla: eleuretheria or whatever wants his coins back
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that poor guy you know ?
mircea_popescu: fucked by .8 x2
kakobrekla: yea
Bowjob: skip the 0.8
Bowjob: next release should be 0.9
mircea_popescu: NEXT TIME devs want ppl to upgrade ppl will be like
mircea_popescu: "sure, got escrow ?"
ThickAsThieves: too bad for him, but maybe now he'll have better protocol for changing his software
mircea_popescu: yea. as in, not change it.
mircea_popescu: perfect protocol.
ThickAsThieves: sdice can support the forked chain for bet processing
kakobrekla: im lucky bitbet runs 0.72
ThickAsThieves: i assume my bet was rejected
Bowjob: gah btc is very complicated lol
ThickAsThieves: bet idea*
kakobrekla: no idea
kakobrekla: a
BingoBongo: !ticker m ^oix
kakobrekla: not processed yet
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.70080218 / 44.63179932 / 53.27201335 (66598 shares, 22,713.19 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
kakobrekla: but dunno if it fits the rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves give bets a day or so
mod6: i have 0.7.1 ...
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu he wants to do these meta bets
ThickAsThieves: np, just interested to see if it fits within rules
mircea_popescu: well whatever he wants, if you don't see it in a day it's prolly been rejected
rodeo: Once the ophaned chain take over again BTCguild will get > 10 blocks I wounder how they will credit it
ThickAsThieves: proportionally, like always?
mircea_popescu: ironic that the end result of the Luke-Jr & co group of idiots starting their little jihad on s.dice
mircea_popescu: will be the extinction of their c++ only "refernece" implementation and in general the end of their centralist chokehold on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i guess the lesson here is that programmers have no business arguing with financiers.
mircea_popescu: won't be learned tho, i bet.
ThickAsThieves: almost done
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 49 minutes and 1 second
Chaang-Noi: last 3 blocks were prphaned, ??? not good?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00181 = 0.181 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: https://coinbase.com/network/blocks last 3 blocks? wtf?
maximian: they're part of the 0.7 chain
maximian: it's catching up
maximian: just two more blocks and it'll be the main chain
ThickAsThieves: tied now
Bowjob: yay. go 51% attack
ThickAsThieves: well i see one problem
ThickAsThieves: my balance on btc-e
ThickAsThieves: -18
ThickAsThieves: should be about 0
Bowjob: ah.. btc-e. I lose my mind on that trollbox
ThickAsThieves: same on other exchanges
Bowjob: its bad for my health
ThickAsThieves: negative balance
ThickAsThieves: whoa
ThickAsThieves: a bunch of incoming deposits
maximian: so it's all over
kakobrekla: at least we had some good drama ya know
Bowjob: so thats it? crisis averted?
maximian: yep
BingoBongo: Crisis averted, drama unleased.
maximian: now come the personal attacks, panic selling, etc
maximian: but bitcoin marches on
rodeo: I thought the ending was a bit anti climatic
Bowjob: Aight, preparing fiat
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.05186, Best ask: 45.05187, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 45.05187, 24 hour volume: 136276.60628425, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.54592
maximian: big forks have happened before, not really a big deal
BingoBongo: It's not the ending. It is the opening chapter in the Latest DLC. BitCoin: Mission Standardization
Bowjob: I printed an order page for topace, but then hes like nope. dont transact
Bowjob: so my free option didnt work out
Bowjob: lol
maximian: the tech blogs will have a field day with this. orgasming over the opportunity to spread some FUD
maximian: I think we can expect the exchange rate to be depressed for a while.
Ukto: well, as I stated before.. weex wallet is the perfect example of correctnes
ThickAsThieves: here it goes
Ukto: wonder what other sites are like :P
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 50 seconds
ThickAsThieves: so will there be a mass selloff afte rpeople get their btc to gox?
ThickAsThieves: yes
maximian: yeah, lots of nervous nellies out there
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.99646, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00354, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 137786.72229724, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.54643
maximian: people who don't understand the system… pure speculators
Bowjob: I'm watching from coinlab
ThickAsThieves: me too
pigeons: you're at coinlab? or coinlab has an actual product out?
ThickAsThieves: a fancy ticker
ThickAsThieves: and a working goxwall
ThickAsThieves: and of course the Buy $1m button
pigeons: cant be fancier than clarkmoody?
Bowjob: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: 45
Bowjob: Bulls fighting back?
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: it wont last
Bowjob: I'd let the bears have a go at it for now
ThickAsThieves: people just waiting for confirms
Bowjob: oh
Bowjob: lol
BingoBongo: I imagine there's a large low information"Investor" population that through inertia or ignorance recognizes what a small hiccup this should have been... When they start looking for people to inform them though....
Chaang-Noi: so did we fix yet?
Bowjob: yeah
pigeons: just waiting for you to reboot
Bowjob: wheres that gif of this anime chick drinking coffee
Chaang-Noi: awesome thanks
BingoBongo: I'm making a trip to the Pawn Shop tomorrow and loading up on fiat for the opportunity that should arise these next few weeks. The DFI I use is indicating a "correction" to $15-$35 within 2 or 3 weeks, confidence interval of 66.7%
pigeons: partly cloudy, chance of rain
BingoBongo: EH, its just the Drama FUD Index
pigeons: omg! bitcoin didnt die! buy!
Chaang-Noi: :)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.16000, Best ask: 44.43000, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 44.54000, 24 hour volume: 137292.69111752, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.50843
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure if gox is fully open yet
mircea_popescu: so 24 blocks in the end.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 25 * 48.47
gribble: 29082
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: we just blew somalia's current week budget.
BingoBongo: That's about a used VW Phaeton
Chaang-Noi: mp lol
BingoBongo: Appear to be roughly the ask for this real estate http://www.trulia.com/property/3107337882-2640-Arsenal-St-Saint-Louis-MO-63118
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1614847#msg1614847 <<
mircea_popescu: anybody here actually interested in this btw ?
BitHub: lulz mircea
BingoBongo: Lulz Jeff G, How many support threads on that forum have ended in essentially: export your private keys and import into X software other than what you have been using
Bowjob: If felt that we would have a tremendous rally today this bug didnt happen
Bowjob: oh well. i'll take what i can
BingoBongo: A software neutral specification has been needed for too long
mircea_popescu: i am starting to see that.
BingoBongo: I give it probably 3 years for a full move from code control to stardardized and documented.
BingoBongo: There's the long fight over what the spec is, and then theres the awkward grace period until the spec forces people to leave the old code controlled version (unless crisis compells it earlier)
midnightmagic: Probably not going to happen. People like mystical chains-of-heredity.
midnightmagic: It's in their nature--right beside the part that thinks god talks directly to them.
BingoBongo: Some things are more powerful than heredity
Bowjob: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/343/462/79a.gif
midnightmagic: The magic Satoshi? You think the huge number of sociopaths running bitcoin are interested in an outside non-mystic taking the reins?
kakobrekla: that bottle looks almost like a gun
kakobrekla: pointed at him
BingoBongo: Happier bottle http://i.imgur.com/jUQ6z.jpg?1
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo so five years ain't that bad.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i wouldbn't bet on "people" mattering
mircea_popescu: we are discussing money.
midnightmagic: people who use bitcoin are the people I'm talking about.
midnightmagic: they are who create the economy which bitcoin encompasses.
mircea_popescu: people who use bitcoin have not a fucking clue.
mircea_popescu: allow me to quote :
mircea_popescu: I think this means that bitcoin is in jeopardy.
mircea_popescu: and they hate mpex shares!
mircea_popescu: WHY ARENT the bitcoin police doing anything about these DDOS attacks?
midnightmagic: correct, they don't. the thing is a lot of them know that, so what do they do? social proof. and they pick a guy (like satoshi) and decide he is the nearest thing to god.
mircea_popescu: problem is the god is gone
mircea_popescu: and it left behind a coven of idiots.
midnightmagic: And he left a minor southern deity in charge.
mircea_popescu: the way things play out is popemassacre
midnightmagic: You know for someone who complains about it so much I'm surprised you're taking such an interest in leading a takeover.. :-)
midnightmagic: (and by surprised, I mean, "not very surprised")
Ukto: btw, bitfunder is 100% online. withdraws/ deposits
Ukto: you guys do okay? :)
midnightmagic: course.
midnightmagic: god talks to me. :)
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu Not at all. Maybe tie the definitive switch to standards only to the next halving? God is gone so let's send things to committee.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im not leading anything, but i'm not standing for nonsensical crap either.
midnightmagic: You're trying to suggest you could be the lead of a Real bitcoin replacement. :)
midnightmagic: Or rather.. boob lady is. :)
mircea_popescu: not really. but i am saying that the current stuff has to go.
mircea_popescu: actually, i said it months ago.
midnightmagic: Yes I read that.
mircea_popescu: i said the moment devs try to act like priests and leverage the obscurity of their bad code into political theosophy... they're screwed.
mircea_popescu: i guess they don't read english any better than they read their own code.
midnightmagic: Actually, the reference implementation was never meant to be the end-all canonical version. Satoshi always hoped someone would write a properly-funded, properly engineered client and it would become the canonical client.
midnightmagic: (sort of
mircea_popescu: i am aware.
midnightmagic: I see no examples of political theosophy. You clearly have something in mind: out with it. :)
mircea_popescu: if you recall, this all started with people knowing which transactions are good.
mircea_popescu: and which usecases are acceptable.
mircea_popescu: and on and on.
midnightmagic: I don't see how a rationale (which Satoshi himself started, btw, by requesting that Wikileaks not use bitcoin yet,) is the snowball accretion of full-blown theosophy.
BingoBongo: And mircea_popescu many will probably try to sweep it under the rug as LevelDB is broken, because it isn't BerkelyDB. You're on the right track, but I think this was probably the wrong error...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo does it make much of a difference ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic wrong step on satoshi's part. let it be broken, rebuild. why protect it ?
midnightmagic: Currently, the best choice is sipa's blacklist patch, as it allows us to remain on the faster 0.8 while still mining.
mircea_popescu: if it's good it will prevail. if it sucks it will just crack and something else will come out of it
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu the difference is probably how much they will try to reiforce their canon against sense...
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: blockchain-destroying events tend to set back adoption progress amongst people who are afraid of what everyone else will think.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic so ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: the bootstrapping itself is still going on.
BingoBongo: "Good" bitcoin will probably have to overtake old by 51% As worse overtook bad tonight
mircea_popescu: look, like it or not, for this reason or for some other reason, bitcoin is at a point where you can't reasonably pour more moneuy into it
mircea_popescu: before it's been specified.
mircea_popescu: if it can't be specified that's a dealbreaker
mircea_popescu: not such a huge notion this, is it ?
midnightmagic: BingoBongo: it will overtake depending on its technical and UX merits.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo have you read the girl's explanation of why multiforks resolve and aren't a problem economically ?
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu I might have, I'll recheck her post history.
midnightmagic: BingoBongo: Think about it this way. uTorrent killed everything else on Windows.
mircea_popescu: in short : suppose chain forks into 3 different chains today, a b and c
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: On the same network?
mircea_popescu: if you had 10 bitcoins today prefork, you will have 10 a 10b and 10 c bitcoins after the fork.
mircea_popescu: if you sell b and buy a the price of all will go up and the price of b down.
mircea_popescu: eventually the fork resolves economically simply because mining costs money.
mircea_popescu: end of story. money itself is a centralising factor, and as such the slightest flicker amplifies
midnightmagic: bleah.. the crosschatter would be ridiculous..
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: more drama, more market cap.
BingoBongo: Ah, this is kind of what I was thinking. I must have read without expressing the sentiment. I believe I've read similar on Trilema as well.
mircea_popescu: i think so.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly candid, many people involved in bitcoin are good honest and well meaning individuals, who know about things. usually those things are coding.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to know than coding in thsi world.
midnightmagic: crosschatter and high-bandwidth reorg battles would hurt individual consensus. presume the forks are all equal hashrate to begin with: due to the nature of POW, it would be far, far worse in terms of strength against attack.
midnightmagic: (like way less than 1/3)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no. because attacker wouldn't know which to attack.
BingoBongo: midnightmagic Win32 killed everything on Windows... Crosschatter happened before, some altcoin late last year did it (no halving fork) and had to be euthanized.
midnightmagic: that's not the case.
mircea_popescu: or even... why.
midnightmagic: you must presume technical acumen on the part of the attacker.
mircea_popescu: technical yes.
mircea_popescu: but selecting the coin to attack is not a technical problem.
mircea_popescu: and you must never presume political acumen on the part of anyone.
midnightmagic: also economical savvy (as all attackers I have seen have been extremely insightful economically)
midnightmagic: you must when modelling attack.
mircea_popescu: here's a bomb for you midnightmagic :
mircea_popescu: if the devs were a little looser in the ass, would the sort of econ savvy attackers stay that side or join this side ?
midnightmagic: not godlike power, but intellectually perfect decisions, plus funded by $x dollars.
midnightmagic: I don't know what that means.
mircea_popescu: looser in the ass ? it means being used with being fucked in that orrifice.
midnightmagic: Yeah but what has that to do with anything? Is this your way of saying you're done arguing?
midnightmagic: "Argument stopper man!"
mircea_popescu: nah.
midnightmagic: You could just say so, I'd stop.
mircea_popescu: i guess it doesn't convey, let me try another way.
midnightmagic: Okay.
mircea_popescu: suppose buttcoin has some devs that think all usecases are equally valid, and dorkcoin has some devs who believe using the coin for gambling is spam.
mircea_popescu: suppose there is one attacker such as you've modeled him.
Anduck: selling ASICMINER @ 0.76
mircea_popescu: which chain is getting attacked ?
Anduck: pm if interested
pigeons: by the way people dont think using bitcoin for gambling is spam, they think using bitcoin transactions to signal a lost bet is spam
midnightmagic: I'd preferentially attack the ones who appeared to be more philosophically aligned with the notion of attack.
mircea_popescu: same thing pigeons. as long as you're making that call your ass is too tight.
midnightmagic: Also, if the money is on the side of the all-use-cases-are-valid (i.e. gambling and drugs, hypothetically) then obviously the money is where the attacker goes.
mircea_popescu: live a little.
pigeons: ok maybe we should just encode files and upload them to the blockchain ala namecoin too
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic not so. you will be surprised to find attackers routinely forego hitting higher payoff cooler targets
mircea_popescu: to focus on the uncool ones.
mircea_popescu: pigeons if we shouldn't, there should not be call for doing it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Well, not in my personal experience. But perhaps that's out-of-date these days.
midnightmagic: The gambling servers at least are very popular targets. Extorting them is almost a Russian pastime.
mircea_popescu: that;s brancing the discussion off the germane path tho
pigeons: alpaca socks can only pay so much ransom
midnightmagic: ^^ this
midnightmagic: Even btcexpress preferred to leave his attacks on the altcoins.
mircea_popescu: sure, irrelevant ventures aren't part of the discussion, if bitcoin stays alpacca we're wasting our time with these concerns/
midnightmagic: .. but you defined the two choices earlier. I'm not agreeing that the choices match reality. I'm just hanging out in your hypothetical land because you invited me.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that's fine, but you pervert the choices when you add riders such as "one is really vanishingly small"
mircea_popescu: or "neither are payment systems, but gaming servers"
mircea_popescu: etc.
midnightmagic: Well if that's not what you meant, perhaps you should define things more narrowly. :)
mircea_popescu: just leave it stand as it is. the theoretical response to a 51% attack is that the attacker would make more by mining.
mircea_popescu: the same applies ideologically too. the network won't get attacked for as long as it manages to not stupidly offend.
mircea_popescu: keeping money ideologically neutral, implementing the old pecunia non olet
mircea_popescu: is the main strategic purpose of having a devteam in the first place.
midnightmagic: I think gpumax is the counterexample to that assertion (that they'd make more by mining)
mircea_popescu: i don't think so. gpumax dissapeared with pirate, as the sane people were saying back in february 2012.
mircea_popescu: completely unrelated topic, gpumax
midnightmagic: nah it's not. It's an example of hashrate for sale, and successfully for sale for that matter.
mircea_popescu: yes, for the purpose of covering a side attack
mircea_popescu: ie, pirate's confidence scam.
midnightmagic: I don't know why you say that.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: what, this is still disputed ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: More likely it was a side-business for coin laundry, but none of the miners could ever (far as I know) figure out where the coins were coming *from*.
midnightmagic: That is, none of them were ever tainted.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00524 = 0.021 BTC [+]
Ukto: looks like trading on btct is back
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00193 = 0.0483 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Massive sell off occuring
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 43.00000, 24 hour volume: 143829.74796654, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.38319
mircea_popescu: 10k, not so massive.
Bowjob: well, i watched it from 45, drop to 42.5 .. i see each cent dropping
Ukto: https://bitfunder.com/editAssetProfile/CRYPTO.LTC now live
Ukto: Native LTC deposit/withdraw supported. "And as always. Has good day."
kakobrekla: unaffection comes to bitbet so naturally i wont be posting any signes.
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.51000, Best ask: 41.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.48900, Last trade: 41.99900, 24 hour volume: 146092.87031245, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.35230
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 23.174488 seconds
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.147304058075 seconds
mircea_popescu: no srsly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5 @ 0.00073163 = 0.0037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5539 @ 0.00073162 = 4.0524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 456 @ 0.00072543 = 0.3308 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: In Australia, IPv6 adoption is almost non-existent, reports Josh Taylor.
mircea_popescu: "It's about as bad as everywhere else on the planet, I guess, with the single exception of Romania," Asia Pacific Network Information Centre's chief scientist, Geoff Huston, said in an interview with ZDNet Australia.
mircea_popescu: heh.
Anduck: selling ASICMINER @ 0.76, pm me if interested (at btct.co ASICMINER-PT asks are at 0.7699)
mircea_popescu: Anduck you know about the tradebook ?
Anduck: no.
Anduck: ....yeeees
Namworld: I offer 0.03% daily on funds here.
Namworld: I'll be back later
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.41654, Best ask: 43.41666, Bid-ask spread: 0.00012, Last trade: 43.50000, 24 hour volume: 166958.61630911, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 43.77197
smickles: We're Going Down!
jcpham: twss
jborkl_: It is holding up well considering what a collosal fuck up this was
jborkl_: colossal
Namworld: It wasn't that colossal... just a little forking
Namworld: The miners voted which would be used going forward
smickles: yeah, and it's not likely that many lost btc due to incidental double spends
Troic_: it could have been colossal, if the pool ops weren't so cooperative
jborkl_: That they encouraged people to change the block size and not knowing it was going to break BDB was a big fuck up
MJR_: Namworld: what is your bonds URL again?
smickles: Troic_: beauty of the system, they have a financial incentive to cooperate
Namworld: https://btct.co/security/BTC-BOND
deadweasel: smickles: that's what keeps me sane
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: jborkl_: I do wish they had tested .8 better. tis could've been caught
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ the idea is strong, the implementation horrible
Namworld: they can still mass object to changes and refuse... but the longest chain will be the one with most miners.
mircea_popescu: in a sense this backhandedly proves how strong the idea is
Namworld: The issue is not in .8 at all...
smickles: gavin had admitted to testing 500k blocks
smickles: but not 1m blocks
mircea_popescu: smickles heh.
Namworld: It's in .7
Namworld: No amount of testing would have found the issue. .7 would have needed to be tested.
mircea_popescu: Namworld would you stop ?
mircea_popescu: any statement that claims "no amout of testing" is a lie by its nature
jcpham: red light.
smickles: Namworld: depends how you look at it no? the iss presented with the interaction of .8 and .7
smickles: something gavin was testing, just not toroughly enough
Namworld: The issue was in .7, if they tested .8 forever, they'd never have found the issue if they didn't use .7 in the testing.
mircea_popescu: obviously not the amount of testing they were willing to do in between chat session and harassinfg the userbase found it
jborkl_: I ran .7 and .8 versions, If I had run testnet and made a 1mb block I would have most likely broken .7
mircea_popescu: still, more testing WOULD have eventually found it.
smickles: Namworld: gavin said he would've caught it if he had tested a larger block on the testnet
Namworld: aye
mircea_popescu: smickles gotta give props to gavin, he's one of the few that are actually contrite enough.
mircea_popescu: he might be the only pro in the bunch, too.
smickles: he only tested 500k blocks, and it happened on a 900k block
mircea_popescu: 967 or some shit
Namworld: I'm not saying it couldn't have been found, I'm just refuting that doing more testing on .8 would have given any result.
mircea_popescu: unauthoritatively my it says berkley seems to choke in this case over about 10k records
mircea_popescu: Namworld the "on .8" is a meaningless constraint.
mircea_popescu: who and why would be testing on .8 only ?!
jborkl_: really, only test a part of the code against itself?
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ for great lulz.
Namworld: I know... but people everywhere say that .8 should have been tested more so the issue would have been found.
mircea_popescu: well yes. that is correct, it should have been,
mircea_popescu: nobody is saying "shouldhave been tested more by itself in a vacuum"
jborkl_: I just solo mined on .72 again last night until it was all figured out- I knew I kept .72 around and running for a reason
Namworld: ARGH
smickles: Namworld: i believe they do test for interaction with older versions
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ i've always been slow to upgrade, specifically for lack of faith.
MJR_: Namworld: I think what they mean is that part of testing a new release is testing it's interactions with other versions for backward compatiblity
smickles: they certainly outta now
Namworld: Don't you get it? I'm trying to refute people who think the issue is with .8 and that .8 alone should have been tested more...
jborkl_: Yeah, me too- I don't like being the first to change- bit me too many times
Namworld: Not that more proper testing would not have found the issue (proper with many versions). That more testing of .8 alone would have not changed anything.
Namworld: This is the only thing I'm trying to say.
smickles: personall, i include previous version interaction in the testing of one version
smickles: so it's a silly argument :P differences in definitions
Namworld: ah, I see.
mircea_popescu: Namworld a, the issue isn't with .8
mircea_popescu: the issue is with berkley db, which was on the way out
Namworld: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M FUCKING CLAIMING THAT THE ISSUE AIN'T ON .8!
jborkl_: people were all up in arms about having 80 to 1000 unconfirmed transactions waiting. with NO testing, people made larger blocks - that broke BDB
jborkl_: 800
Namworld: >.<
mircea_popescu: yes well, you went about it in a broken way.
Namworld: I'm talking about people making such claims... not about me making the same claims =/
jborkl_: It could have been handled and implemented properly
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> No amount of testing would have found the issue.
Namworld: @smickles: some people even claimed they sticked to an old version specially because of potential such issues with new versions when .8 wasn't the source of the problem. If they had switched it would have been an non-issue. We've reverted to accomodate the bug in .7 and not to leave people behind.
jborkl_: .8 should be used, but we are holding back so poor people with shitty connections and shitty hardware can still be here
Namworld: mircea: I was referring to testing of .8 alone. I'm made an omission in it. I've been trying to correct myself for like the last few minutes =/
mircea_popescu: Namworld no! rabble! rabble!
mircea_popescu: lol
imsaguy: did someone say b00bies?
mircea_popescu: booties.
MJR_: lol, you know people can run either version and change the size of blocks they can accept or mine
mircea_popescu: MJR_ not accept. just mine.
imsaguy: ..
ThickAsThieves: so good http://2mellomakes.bandcamp.com/album/chrono-jigga
imsaguy: the problems is that other people accepted it
imsaguy: and then it got mined in
Namworld: I hate it when I forget something in a sentence and I'm getting argued against for 10 minutes when I have the same point of view as the one arguing against me.
imsaguy: so even if you didn't allow it, someone else did
imsaguy: and then your client chokes
imsaguy: and you get stuck and don't get any new blocks
mircea_popescu: Namworld does it happen often ?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: Namworld is usually arguing with himself.
Namworld: That's new. I don't recall that.
Namworld: No. Maybe every month or the other.
jborkl_: They have identified it as .BDB has a limit and can be broken. .8 does not have a limit and seems fine. Lets move back to the broken
mircea_popescu: i enjoy arguing with him mostly because he seems to go about things in a totally different way than anyone else
Namworld: When typing fast.
mircea_popescu: which is a great way to become a laughingstock, sure, but also a great way to find obscure bugs.
Namworld: Actually I find you go about things in a different way than anyone else...
mircea_popescu: of course i do.
MJR_: can't you change your code in .7 to accept larger blocks?
imsaguy: no
imsaguy: its bdb
imsaguy: .7 can already accept larger blocks
imsaguy: bdb can't handle the locking
imsaguy: too many tx in the block
Namworld: Almost all misunderstandings on Bitcoin IRC are with you. I usually go about quite well with almost everyone else.
mircea_popescu: Namworld almost everyone else doesn't have much to say.
MJR_: ah I see
imsaguy: I'm glad I'm not almost everyone else
imsaguy: I have a shitton to say
MJR_: lol
mircea_popescu: imsaguy should i grep log for imsaguy ? :D
imsaguy: don't forget [\\\]
jborkl_: The problem glaring from this, now a obvious major problem is here and can be exploited again.
imsaguy: and pirateat40
imsaguy: oops
imsaguy: just [\\\]
MJR_: has anyone ever said "bitcoin-assets is great but I just wish it had as much drama as bitcointalk.com"
mircea_popescu: kik
mircea_popescu: MJR_ it has moar.
Namworld: I think you are very literal on what sentences mean and interpret as little as possible. You avoid making too many inferences during a conversation so even small omissions can result in misunderstandings.
imsaguy: MJR_: they didn't have to
mircea_popescu: Namworld certainly. this way misunderstandings are found early.
mircea_popescu: at least ideally.
imsaguy: ;;seen usagi
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <usagi> do it
imsaguy: aww
imsaguy: does he still owe people coins?
imsaguy: she/it*
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i think he's doing something with silver atm
Namworld: If it was a written text, I might make less omissions. When chatting tho, I type fast and usually omit things.
imsaguy: uh oh..
mircea_popescu: actually... what if usagi and eskimo bob joined forces
mircea_popescu: and created the world's first
mircea_popescu: silver easybake oven ?
imsaguy: sounds like a methlab waiting to happen
mircea_popescu: when they get older.
imsaguy: how old is bob?
Namworld: bob? The eskimo?
jborkl_: put both of their ideas on how to make money together? 1+1=still is 0
mircea_popescu: should be like twentysomething i would guess
Namworld: Only bob I know around these parts.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152246.msg1615740#msg1615740
mircea_popescu: some of the funniest shit i read all day.
mircea_popescu: this seems to be the contemporary brain disease, people reading stuff they don't understand here and there, mashing it into a sort of compound
jcpham: bitcoin is the worst
Namworld: I think being heavily dependant on miners is actually what Satoshi wanted... miners vote with their hashing power... That's exactly how the system is supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
jborkl_: I like Death and Taxes response
Namworld: and devs can consult with mining pool when changing limits and send a warning so everyone upgrades directly to the client, should they want to make a change to allow scaling.
ThickAsThieves: they will still need to hard fork us again at some point, no?
Namworld: yes, they'll need to.
ThickAsThieves: so does that not give malicious people a specific time in the future to plan for?
Namworld: But with proper warning and support from the community for the change, only the few not switching are left behind.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, it does.
mircea_popescu: it really is a catastrophe, strategically
ThickAsThieves: this time they werent prepared
ThickAsThieves: next time they will be
mircea_popescu: just the puppy eyed idiots don't quite get what happened so raw raw we love devteam
Namworld: what kind of malicious stuff might there be?
ThickAsThieves: planning to double spend?
mircea_popescu: Namworld you're proceeding on the wrong path.
mircea_popescu: that's not how this works, "o, what bad stuff could happen?"
jborkl_: Well, first of all they need to plan the change sooner than later
Namworld: No, I mean malicious stuff from knowing ahead of time about a fork.
Namworld: Other than double-spend attacks
mircea_popescu: how would i know ?
mircea_popescu: we'll find out if we're unfortunate enough.
Namworld: But really, merchants/miners can plan ahead if they know. It's better if it's known in advance than not.
mircea_popescu: even if we don't know that doesn't make the issue ok.
benkay: ra ra go devbs
mircea_popescu: knowing in advance there will have to be a hard fork is a weakness of the system.
mircea_popescu: it may be reduced rto almost no cost, maybe
benkay: centralize us on a single buggy broken blatform
mircea_popescu: but it still costs > 0
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, i wonder what OTHER exploits are there for berkley
Namworld: Well there will be forks...
mircea_popescu: that were illustrated by this but aren't limited to lage blocks
benkay: and for people who have trouble keeping up with the technical times, the costs are going to be higher next time
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
Namworld: That's pretty much unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: benkay the top pool is pretty much bankrupt now, is it ?
mircea_popescu: courtesy of idiotteam doublewhammy-ing them
benkay: market dominance is never an indicator of technical competence
mircea_popescu: be that as it may.
Namworld: look at MtGox...
Namworld: good example
mircea_popescu: good point
mircea_popescu: ;;goxlag
gribble: 2.062621 seconds
benkay: heh/.
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.116768121719 seconds
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: o boy will i be having fun with this.
benkay: what is mpexlag calculating?
Namworld: MtGox is pretty much constently lagging.
mircea_popescu: the lag to talk to mpex, through a remote and a local proxy
benkay: to the order-parsing system?
mircea_popescu: benkay the bot just measures the proxy response
ThickAsThieves: so i know they me seem ignorant, but just thinking out loud, is there not a way to make the bitcoin software part of the blockchain itself?
benkay: so to web server.
ThickAsThieves: to allow propagation of new versions?
mircea_popescu: it takes .11 seconds for an order to go from bot to remote proxy -> to local proxy -> to trade engine and back
benkay: oh okay
mircea_popescu: no that's not correct.
mircea_popescu: it takes .11 seconds for an order to go from bot to remote proxy -> to local proxy and back
mircea_popescu: you can't measure the trade engine from outside
benkay: what kind of volume would your trade engine have to see before it started lagging?
mircea_popescu: benkay i've seen > 10 orders per second irl
mircea_popescu: i've seen > 100 on testnet with the future config
benkay: *grins*
benkay: assuming you don't mean btc testnet?
mircea_popescu: (this has to be sustained at that level for an hour or so for things to start feeling it)
mircea_popescu: benkay no, my own. btc don't enter into it
smickles: benkay: i could have it place an order, to test, but the problem would be cancelling that order later
benkay: *nods*
mircea_popescu: mpex could trade on beenz if i wanted to, it's completely btc agnostic.
benkay: i get it man i get it
mircea_popescu: smickles actually the expansion on that is
benkay: namespace conflict
benkay: just resolving
smickles: mircea_popescu: would a better measure be sending a bunk order?
mircea_popescu: once i get the rest online, can you measure the lag for the entire $proxies list ?
mircea_popescu: smickles i think it's a fine measure as it is really.
smickles: i suppose i could
mircea_popescu: the way mpex works you get the trade engine lag printed rioght on each stat
ThickAsThieves: any thoughts on somehow tying the bitcoin software to the blockchain itself? dumb idea?
Namworld: yes
smickles: ThickAsThieves: what purpose would it serve?
ThickAsThieves: propgation of new versions
ThickAsThieves: forced
Namworld: Would be catastrophic... no more voting on what changes you want
Namworld: Basically, someone controls Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: how is that different
smickles: yeah, right now, users 'vote', miners 'vote'
imsaguy: Namworld: not true
imsaguy: you can always compile your own bitcoin software
ThickAsThieves: i know *I* can't contol what devs and pools do
ThickAsThieves: voted or not
imsaguy: you vote with your hash
smickles: ThickAsThieves: but you don't have to go along with them
imsaguy: you vote with what you use
Namworld: Yeah. But almost the same if software upgrade is forced through the blockchain itself. Not sure how that could even work tho
imsaguy: well for example
Namworld: Anyway, I'm out.
imsaguy: you take the bitcoin.org reference software
imsaguy: and they say 'this version isn't good after block X'
imsaguy: you've just put an expiration date on the software
imsaguy: I'm not advocating they do this
smickles: where's the statics on what version people are running, i think there are a bunch still on .3
imsaguy: Luke-Jr has a graph page
imsaguy: but I don't know how often it updates
Luke-Jr: it's realtime
ThickAsThieves: its just lame that people can be left in the void
imsaguy: url?
Luke-Jr: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/branches.html
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: Its on the of problems with Microsoft
imsaguy: they keep trying to support the morons that refuse to update
imsaguy: if they cut people off cold turkey, they could cut a lot of hackjobs added to make old software work with the new stuff
ThickAsThieves: they have an obligation to their product
smickles: Luke-Jr: updated reasonably well?
Luke-Jr: [17:22:20] <Luke-Jr> it's realtime
imsaguy: smickles: he said realtime
imsaguy: lol
smickles: oh, i should read
smickles: sry Luke-Jr
imsaguy: is realtime reasonably well?
imsaguy: NO!
imsaguy: MOAR!
Luke-Jr: [13-03-12 17:24:00] 1784/529458 available (520270 tried in 61095s, 9164 new, 24 active), 177 banned; 1692328 DNS requests, 112840 db queries
smickles: ThickAsThieves: look, about 2.45% of the network is using .3 still
imsaguy: Luke-Jr: could you make one that's futuretime?
Luke-Jr: imsaguy: draw a big circle and write 1.0 in the middle?
imsaguy: yay!
imsaguy: no more beta
imsaguy: <.<
imsaguy: >.>
ThickAsThieves: betacoin
smickles: imsaguy: compile your own from .8 but modify it to say that it is 1.0
smickles: :D
ThickAsThieves: i'm just stuck on meta thoughts lately, i think its lack of sleep
smickles: .5 just gets no love
ThickAsThieves: make bitbets about bitbet! put bitcoin software on blockchain!
imsaguy: lol smickles
imsaguy: I am one of the unidentifieds
ThickAsThieves: we're all martian immigrants http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/12/4094534/nasa-curiosity-rover-discovers-ancient-mars-could-have
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
iz: ThickAsThieves: *picture of xibit holding a picture of xibit*
ThickAsThieves: while looking in the mirror with a mirror behind him
kakobrekla: is the chain back to normal?
kakobrekla: anyone having any txes hanging in the air?
ThickAsThieves: everything is legit for me in all accounts
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla should be fine.
kakobrekla: hm
mircea_popescu: until someone figures out how to trigger the berkley bug with a smaller block
kakobrekla: i have some oldish txes
mircea_popescu: such as including 10k 160 byte txs
kakobrekla: still no confirm
kakobrekla: kinda worrying
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01770, Best ask: 45.01771, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 45.01771, 24 hour volume: 171261.27579910, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 43.77026
deadweasel: back to 45!
deadweasel: a hard fork bounce :)
ThickAsThieves: btcguild at 13k
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sorry ?
Anduck: any btct.co admins online?
mircea_popescu: burnside ^
ThickAsThieves: sry, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg1616550#msg1616550
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1616671#msg1616671
mircea_popescu: "o, it was a bug in berkely db"
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots.
MJR_: ;;seen Josh_Rossi
gribble: Josh_Rossi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Josh_Rossi> pretty sweet
MJR_: that is cool
pigeons: today I downloaded .7 and have been patiently waiting for my blockchain to download, im not sure if I will continue refunds or just buy a big crack rock and smoke it in a cave some where but I am totally offended by this scammer tag
mircea_popescu: you got a scammer tag ?!
pigeons: tom
mircea_popescu: lol totally offended okay.
pigeons: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143496.msg1614693#msg1614693
mircea_popescu: so he couldn't do refunds all through february because the devs borked transition to .9
pigeons: yeah
mircea_popescu: .8*. in march.
pigeons: "if I was a scammer I could be living it up easy some place warm instead of braving the same upstate new york winters I have been for 30+ years"
mircea_popescu: well... let's just hope gavin sends him the correct lists then
pigeons: "If anyone has any idea how I can buy a large amount of bitcoins please message me. The largest amount I can buy from bitinstant is $500 worth ive looked and looked and its near impossible to make a large bitcoin purchase anywhere."
mircea_popescu: oh i see yeah
mod6: to everyone else .... PEACE AND LOVE
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: so here's the lol of today :
mircea_popescu: devs say berkeley is broken. it is fine. they forgot to configure it.
pigeons: yeah we know
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the worst case of "hi i am calling to report a bug" bungled tech support ever.
ZedsterX: the college?
ZedsterX: jk
mircea_popescu: pigeons i fear it'll take me a little to digest this one
pigeons: you can configure it to use more locks, so far that seems to work just uses a lot more ram but works
mircea_popescu: the proof of something awful's general cluelessness/irrelevance is the low level mock articles they're pushing out.
mircea_popescu: there's material here to scathe.
mod6: yeah BDB has been a thorn in dev's side for a decade. but sounds like this time they forgot about a landmine they already stepped on once before.
mircea_popescu: for people into sdice graphs : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1614936#msg1614936
mircea_popescu: mod6 bring me up to speed, what exactly is the objection ? it is widely deployed and consequently well debugged by now
mod6: BTC needs a CVE or something or some sort of post mortum.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.57575758 = 2.8788 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/HzcprPZ.png
mircea_popescu: this particularly is illustrative.
mod6: mircea_popescu: its not really an objection.
mod6: its just something to be cautious of
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean, why ?
mod6: it escapes me dude
mod6: its been too long
mircea_popescu: lol kk
mod6: so many problems over the years
mircea_popescu: just trying to get smarter over here :p
mod6: i couldn't possibly remember them all
mod6: im just depressed about this shit
mircea_popescu: i imagine a number of people are.
mod6: i was thinking about the gox issue...
mod6: and perhaps what we need is something like rootservers for fiat->btc exchanges
mircea_popescu: what are those ?
mod6: dns has root servers worldwide to resolve requests. thinking that maybe btc could do well to have like 10-13 worldwide exchanges all independant of eachother.
MJR_: like DNS ?
mod6: not that all the code should be the same.
MJR_: but also...those root servers have children
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla wants something like the way fx is setup
mod6: root servers don't keep the same code either, not exactly anyway, this way it prevents a simutaious attack against all
mircea_popescu: mod6 it would be good to have many exchanges, but there's problems with getting that to work in p[ractice
mircea_popescu: because exchanges concentrate liquidity and people chase liquidity
mod6: this will help distrbute the load of exchange, and then btc wont have 1 place to look for price signals.
MJR_: well, one thing is that instant settlement is going to be harder and harder to scale
mircea_popescu: personally i think the solution is fixing, but
mircea_popescu: few people involved actually have enough finance knowledge to get it going yet.
kakobrekla: true
MJR_: fix protocol?
kakobrekla: gox mus die
kakobrekla: fix is shit
mircea_popescu: MJR_ no gais. fixing.
MJR_: you lost me
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:00 <mircea_popescu> ok, it's like this. suppose the three main dealers are A, B and C.
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:13 <mircea_popescu> chair X calls the meeting. X proposes price, say 47.5
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:27 <mircea_popescu> a, b and c go through their books, see what customers want, see what they want on their own account
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:45 <mircea_popescu> then they say. a buys 50k usd. b sells 25k usd. c sells 70k usd.
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:52 <mircea_popescu> 25 + 70 > 50k so its not fixed
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:58 <mircea_popescu> x has to call a lower price now
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:00 <jurov> ah that kind of meeting you mean
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:01 <mircea_popescu> say 47.3
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:08 <mircea_popescu> now a b and c review their books
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:14 <mod6> think i just need to add some sleep time....
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:14 <mircea_popescu> 42 12 40
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:15 <mircea_popescu> etc
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:27 <mircea_popescu> this process is called fixing, it's widely used to obtain a price.
mod6: and fixing this block size thing is kinda crazy. its like you know when you get a UDP request to your DNS server and the reply from the Zone is > than the max size of UDP, it rolls over to tcp
MJR_: well, again I think that could happen on a larger scale...
pgp: credit lines between exchanges to allow cross exchange arb would be an important start...
MJR_: yes exactly
mod6: i don't think im smart enough for this stuff.
MJR_: pgp: again instant settlement is not sustainable
kakobrekla: the first important step, realizing that.
pgp: this would also require something akin to DTCC (depositiory trust clearing corp) where every exchange is a member and keeps money on deposit...
MJR_: or even wise...since cold storage =\= instant
mircea_popescu: pgp that could easily be implemented using the mpex push for isntance
mircea_popescu: or independently, but pgp is a good solution to keep it safe.
pgp: indeed
mircea_popescu: problem is every exchange wants to act as if in a vacuum, because
mircea_popescu: they perceive they lack any distinguishing features
kakobrekla: the problem is exchange ops are retarded
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla basically.
mircea_popescu: the problem with bitcoin in general is the userbase is dumb.
MJR_: well not educated financially
mircea_popescu: devteam, miners, pool ops, exchange ops, everyone is... you know... draftees
mircea_popescu: people picked off the street
MJR_: tech savvy
MJR_: you would be surprised how many financial wizards have trouble using email
mod6: :(
pgp: yes - with the exception of bitfloor, it doesn't seem that these exchanges are run by anyone familiar with how "real" exchanges (and clearing operations) actually work...
kakobrekla: bitlol
mod6: i got trolled so hard by my gf for this shit yesterday
MJR_: so you need people who are tech AND finance savvy
kakobrekla: guy got fucked a comple of times no?
MJR_: he did
mod6: we're the laughing stock
kakobrekla: over confidend
kakobrekla: nt
mircea_popescu: pgp bitfloor, the guys currently owinfg like 900x what they'll ever make ?
MJR_: well...last I checked there was only one exchange that hasn't been hacked
pizzaman1337: so what is the "proper" way to run an exchange? where can I read about this?
kakobrekla: The book of Kako
kakobrekla: Kako accually means how
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 this ain't knitting we're discussiong here man.
kakobrekla: so it makes sense.
MJR_: well, paranoia does not an efficient market make
kakobrekla: lol mp
mircea_popescu: you read about it in school, which costs dough
kakobrekla: anywho brb
pizzaman1337: schoool... that's what the internet is for
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 no but srsly, this is the sort of thing people pay in the 100's of k's for,
mircea_popescu: it's not exactly "go to wikipedia" sort of thing
MJR_: it is pretty sad that the biggest exchange can't handle orders in less than 5 min
pizzaman1337: well, there must be some info on it somewhere that I could get access too
mircea_popescu: MJR_ mpex doesn't do fiat tho, so it's kinda moot for this problem
kakobrekla: s/5min/30min
MJR_: don't know of anyone getting hacked for fiat
pigeons: heh
pigeons: no?
mircea_popescu: what's sad is that they take ~5k a month in hardware costs to process 8k trades in 30 minutes
pigeons: look harder
mircea_popescu: if we scale this liniarly we discover it'd cost more than it's worth to have ti trade
MJR_: I meant the bitcoin exchanges
pigeons: yes
pgp: for starters, most all exchanges today pay you to add liquidity to their book - the so called "maker-taker" fee model.
MJR_: exactly what pgp said
mircea_popescu: pgp the reason is they're mixing bizdev with the fee schedule.
pigeons: mjr_ where have you been? bitininstant lost usd a few days ago
pigeons: what about bitcoinica? what about every single one?
MJR_: ...
MJR_: they stole usd from the servers
MJR_: ?
pigeons: yes
pgp: moreover, because like asset exchanges belong to the same "clearing clubs", they can route orders to one another to ensure "best execution" for their customers (while, of course, charging for that convenience)...
mircea_popescu: yeah ?
mircea_popescu: pigeons wait. didn't bitinstant lose the BTC on vircurex ?
MJR_: front page hackers used DNS to steal 12000 worth of BITCOINS
pigeons: mircea_popescu: usd
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: usure ? cause i wrote about this and iirc shrem was saying btc
pigeons: via paypal from vircurex
mircea_popescu: i'll add it to research list cause wtf.
pgp: they weren't using two factor auth with that exchange...
pizzaman1337: http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2013/3/4/events-of-friday-bitinstant-back-online.html
pizzaman1337: "Overall, due to major choke points and redundancies in our system, the hacker was only able to walk away with $12,480 USD in BTC, and send them in 3 installments of 333 BTC to bitcoin addresses."
pigeons: sorry i meant virwox
pgp: you can lead a horse to water
MJR_: they listed the loss in dollars, but you can't send cash over a wire
MJR_: BTC was stolen
MJR_: anyway I think there is a ton of room for competition to mt gox
mod6: yeah
mod6: there needs to be at least 3
mod6: all independant of eachother that aren't scams
MJR_: but even better opportunity for someone to route flow between exchanges
MJR_: lol, not being scams is key
mod6: and security
mod6: if they were modeled after mpex, that'd be a start
MJR_: I really think a gpg based order system would be nice
mod6: not the SAME code, but similar to avoid attacks upon a weakness found in one
mod6: similar to rootservers
MJR_: I agree
mircea_popescu: mod6 one of the key reasons why i keep the code closed.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: people would just mindlessly replicate it (see bitfinex) then we'll be well fucked
MJR_: but also...I really think node and branch will be needed
mod6: and really... the UDP (TCP when needed) is a model that the guys should be looking at to solve this blocksize issue
mircea_popescu: in a sense mpex is constructed exactly opposite of how bitcoin is constructed.
mod6: any thoughts on that? anyone know what I'm referring to?
mircea_popescu: keep the specification open and the implementation proprietary
mircea_popescu: versus the keep the specification equal to the unreadable codebase.
MJR_: know exactly what you are talking about
jcpham: you access mpex through open standards
MJR_: I wrote a program to monitor how often we need to fail over to TCp for our data feeds
jcpham: how it works is not your concern
mircea_popescu: mod6 originally i thought it was udp p2p
jcpham: unicorns are definitely walking in hamster wheels though
mircea_popescu: http://zgp.org/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2004-December/002221.html
mircea_popescu: it is after all 2004s stuff
mircea_popescu: but apparently...
MJR_: I think it's multicast tcp?
mircea_popescu: MJR_ im not even sure at this point.
MJR_: I think bitcoin-assets is the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge
jurov: mod6, how would UDP help in blocksize issuie?
MJR_: when you think that people on coinbase are probably still in the innovators (before 18%) stage...wow
pigeons: really? its second to -otc in stupid
pigeons: all your fancy exchange routing will be done via ripple
MJR_: I can't remember your exact quote mircea_popescu but something like "if you want to use crypto currency but don't understand cryptography..."
mod6: jurov: not UDP
mircea_popescu: MJR_ something like that.
mircea_popescu: pigeons why isn't it now ?
mod6: jurov: we can learn a thing or two, perhaps, about how DNS solves the issue. UDP is meant to be fast, and arbitrarily large since forward/reverse zones can contain an large amount of entries.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00755 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 of course, the blockszie issue wasn't hitting the transport layer
MJR_: I think a central clearing corp, that only needs to transfer the diff between exchanges will be the best way
mircea_popescu: MJR_ except on the day it gets attacked.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean government necessarily.
mircea_popescu: look what happened in ny when the clearing corp got flooded
mod6: but when the size of UDP gets over 65,535 bytes (need to double check), it simply converts it to TCP and sends it that way. something can be learned from this, nothing more.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: cause people are transitioning from doing it via the private standalone django app to the new ripple but it is being done now
mod6: im not saying about the transport, or anything
mod6: im simply saying, look at how this problem was solved
MJR_: true
mircea_popescu: pigeons on superficial analysis ripple seems just the place where the curerent bitcoindev rats will sucrry to
mircea_popescu: once they get their altar broken for reals.
pigeons: yes perhaps, but currency liquidity flowed throug it before and will continue too,
mod6: i dunno, i guess i'd have to spend some time in there. and the client needs to be combed through
mod6: and hacked
jurov: mod6, maximal packet size (or MTU) is hard fact baked into ethernet from the beginning, not some broker earlier implementation
mod6: slice and dice shit out of there that needs to be replaced.
jurov: *broken
mircea_popescu: mod6 actually once you're done with the iphone app, a very good use of someone's time is to go through the codebase and summarize it
mircea_popescu: that;s usually a good step towards specification.
MJR_: mircea_popescu: what iphone app?
mod6: i never wanted to touch bitcoin's client or anything else because the #bitcoin-dev is filled with pompus retards
mod6: so i'll just my retard ass out of there
mircea_popescu: MJR_ the bitotter thing he's working on
MJR_: ah cool
jurov: mod6 good for ya. i did touch it and it didn't hurt.
jurov: but maybe i'm just crazy, going into anything
jurov: without such considerations
mod6: i'd love to take the time to audit that shit, but who wants to fight with LukeJr and the others?
mod6: aint noone got time for that
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't know who's listening to them.
mircea_popescu: a summary of the codebase is definitely useful.
kakobrekla: oh i read that "in summary the coinbase is defenetly useful" and got a heart attack almost
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: need more coffee.
MJR_: ain't no one got time for that indeed
mod6: yeah. its way out of hand
jcpham: http://micropoll.com/t/LE9JQZQhrI
jcpham: i'm doing much better in the poll today
jurov: mod6 i'm not interested in arguing. if i had time, i'll do a fork with some very useful function and wait for them to come
mod6: ^^^
jurov: like my two independent wallets prototype: https://github.com/jurov/bitcoin
mod6: nice dude
mod6: any reason CPP?
jurov: cuz it's fork of bitcoind
mod6: or you just cloned and went forward?
mod6: ok
jurov: wasn't hard... couldn't understand why that function isn't exposed already
mod6: yeah, its WAY too large imho
jurov: prolly they don't have time to test properly xD
mod6: thats obvious to everyone in the world who pays attention
mod6: they should back away after this
jurov: well, they preferred to entagle themselves in multisig txs at the time
jurov: incidentally, they still don't have sane interface, too
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything about it is kludge.
mircea_popescu: i am still steaming over the fact that i can't create abitrary size txs
jurov: let's get to budapest for buncha asics and outmine them http://primeasic.com/order.php
jurov: lmao DUE TO OVERWHELMING REQUESTS we had to remove PayPal & Local Pickup options.
mircea_popescu: that thing stil around ?!
mircea_popescu: lolok
mircea_popescu: btc only rite ?
jurov: yes, only nonreversable nonpersonal means. fyr maximum security.
mircea_popescu: due to overwhelming miner vote.
mod6: for starters who does this? Dbc* pcursor = db.GetCursor();
mod6: i just hate looking at the client code. maybe its just their style.
mod6: its like: Dbc *pcursor = db.GetCursor();
mod6: wtf
mod6: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mod6: at least the SSL code they copied looks to be better: BN_CTX *ctx = NULL;
pigeons: cross-posting for mircea_popescu cause he'll love it http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1a5um4/bitcointalk_a_successful_double_spend_us10000/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=Fancy+Show+Tech
mircea_popescu: bah.
mod6: ok i gotta walk away for a bit and think about this some more.
mod6: i still <3 you guys tho :)
MJR_: :)
benkay: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by arbitrarily-sized transactions?
benkay: actual kb on disk?
benkay: or in mem i suppose
mircea_popescu: i want to make a 750kb tx.
mircea_popescu: you know, 5000 inputs, 7000 outputs. my business.
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
benkay: mhm.
benkay: but noooooooo
Anduck: mircea_popescu: lol?
Anduck: and pay a huge fee of.. 0.1 btc!!
mircea_popescu: that's my problem.
mircea_popescu: if the block can take it i can make it.
mircea_popescu: nobody gets to say i can't,
mircea_popescu: and more importantly bitcoind doesnt die with "failed to create transaction"
mircea_popescu: this sort of shit belongs in onboard code for vibrating dildoes at the most.
Lyspooner: what about those of us who have been running 0.9
Lyspooner: ?
benkay: now now.
benkay: it's a transient state. frustrating to be sure.
benkay: especially to those of us accustomed to flushing idiots out of systems with economics.
mircea_popescu: heh.
benkay: you mentioned something about the dev team starting work on a spec?
benkay: would you point me at that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i mentioned something about how they;'d better
mircea_popescu: or else.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1617104#msg1617104 latest installment of bitchslapping
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sipa jgarzik: have we seen a block which affected 5000 transaction index entries?
mircea_popescu: jgarzik sipa: I don't think so
mircea_popescu: so much for testing
mircea_popescu: motherfucking...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: The Church of Bitcoin and the Vatican Bitcoin Foundation have met Luther Popescu
mod6: so can we rewind the tape just a bit...
mod6: didn't this happen or something very similar to it before?
mod6: like on upgrade from version 4 to 5 or something? there was a night where they did an upgrade and the similar thing happened.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 87 @ 0.00559 = 0.4863 BTC [+]
mod6: i gotta look through btctalk for that *sigh*
mod6: awe fuck it, i guess that's long ago anyway.
mod6: i hate that site
jurov: mircea_popescu one thing i don't understand, you aren't going to hire any devs yourself cause it isn't worth the conflict and drama?
jurov: what do you plan to do, then?
mircea_popescu: jurov atm the plan ios to push for spec
mod6: it shouldn't be up to one dude to pay for all this shit...
mircea_popescu: and ideally remove the current devteam's license to release new clients.
mircea_popescu: past this point.
jurov: and who will do the spec? have any allies to do it together?
mircea_popescu: then once we have spec they can fix their fucked codebase and release a proper client
mircea_popescu: jurov : perhaps. one sec
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1614847#msg1614847
mod6: i just feel like, this should be like a HACK THE PLANET type thing, and people who want this to work will make it work.
mod6: im not sure what planet these guys are on, but if this is their baby and they have commitbits to the most widely used full-node base, they aught to make sure it functions correctly.
mod6: anyway, drives me up a wall, I'll tell you. :)
mircea_popescu: heh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.574 = 1.148 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov anyway, the problem isn't as much the drama, but moreover that a single-source codebase is both non-bitcoiny and suspect.
mircea_popescu: but i think if we can get one (or ideally multiple) people to summarize the code
mircea_popescu: we can pretty much derive a spec from there.
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't take much longer than a few weeks for a first draft, which can then be argued and refined
mircea_popescu: in my experience any devteam resists such an effort like cats resist washing, because coders love to write but hate having to read code.
mircea_popescu: hiowever, once it's complete there's a few day's worth of facepalming and going "wait, we are doing W?HAT ?!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57577575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: after which everything's much better.
mod6: this is a solid plan.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 in experience it tends to work.
mircea_popescu: of course it has to first get the cat into the washing machine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
mod6: :}
jurov: well, i'd love to and have no problems to read others code.. just that i'm neck deep elsewhere atm.
mircea_popescu: i understand
mircea_popescu: why it's called open source after all, sits there and waits for when / who has time for it
jurov: oh, that happens with all opensource without paid devs
mircea_popescu: here are the problems that i don't know how to solve.
mircea_popescu: a. i hire someone. well... this opens the political problem of "oh, he's mp's puppet".
mircea_popescu: b. i set up a prize which anyone may claim. well... this opens the idiocy problem of "oh, I don'tneed his money, what does me take for, a starving artist????"
mod6: right. no, this needs to be something that is adopted by the users of the system.
mircea_popescu: + "it's not enough" drama + trying to get the pruize with as little work as possible etc
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda stuck to just talking atm because a and b.
jurov: just hire someone. this muppet argument will ensue but code/doc will remain in the end
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
jurov: i remember something like with linux and redhat
mircea_popescu: it's in any case not something i have to call today.
mircea_popescu: jurov certainly.
jurov: maybe i'll hire amir taaki.. he'll do gladly for food and shelter
mod6: well, i think this bitcoin project is again an "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US." type of thing.
jurov: mod6 what outer space metaphors are you onto again....
mod6: the best kind
dub: so this fucking agent calls me in yesterday to show the same offer as last week, only on paper
mircea_popescu: jurov i bet you i can tell you have just by reading his output
dub: because numbers look different than they sound obviously
mircea_popescu: ban them.
benkay: what are you taking offers on, dub?
mircea_popescu: russian bride
jurov: lol the vride isn't up to specs
jurov: *bride
dub: benkay: houses
mircea_popescu: jurov she's a little worn i nplaces.
mircea_popescu: and there's a crack
mod6: So, what I'm saying is, I think it's a really good thing to create a spec, and then everyone can punch eachother in the nuts over it until its perfect. This is the way to go.
mircea_popescu: more like a gash really.
mircea_popescu: mod6 werd.
benkay: there will eventually be an incentive for the miners to disregard devsquad
benkay: in retrospect, i'm a little surprised they didn't this time
mod6: I think, at least for myself, every time I had to write a paper, or have written some code; I've gone back the next day or at some later date and done a `wtf?'
mircea_popescu: benkay exactly.
benkay: ^^ erryday.
mod6: even the other night, i wrote that code quick that worked. i mean, it kinda worked, in the way that it fucked a donkey.
mircea_popescu: the btcguild people got fucked for ~2k btc because of it.
mircea_popescu: this keeps up, soon enough idiots will not have the dough to keep going
mircea_popescu: much like btc finance was cleanned up.
mod6: but then you know, you review, you think about it, you make changes and it gets better.
benkay: it's a painful process
mircea_popescu: good.
benkay: dunno if i agree about that.
jurov: mod6 yea but if you don't painstakingly document it it just won't go past some threshold
benkay: i don't optimize for pain.
benkay: rather the opposite.
mircea_popescu: i do.
benkay: heh.
mircea_popescu: it delivers superb results.
mircea_popescu: the more people are hurt, the better stuff comes out.
mod6: i beat dead horses
Lyspooner: where'd the 2k btc figure come from?
mod6: i've said that before. but usually my code works too.
mod6: ;]
jurov: yes bitcoind usually works, too
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner they lost ~1.2k because the new .8 redownloaded the chain and they autopaid miners submitting as if low diff
mod6: haha
benkay: i optimize for pleasure within my in-group, and i let the rest of the world experience their own mistakes.
mircea_popescu: they lost a further however much cause of discarded blocks
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu were they auto-paying miners with coins older than 120 blocks since mined?
mircea_popescu: yes, the op was quite clear about having lost the 1.2k
Lyspooner: isn't that the op's fault then?
mircea_popescu: cause they did what tho ? upgraded ?
mircea_popescu: sure, it's their fault.
Lyspooner: anything faster than 120 blocks is the ops fault
mircea_popescu: because why ?
Lyspooner: they are paying miners with fresher coins than is safe
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand the problem.
mircea_popescu: as the blockchain was being downloaded, the difficulty was corresponding to very old blocks, ie, very low.
jurov: Lyspooner pools attract noobs on fast payouts, is that surprising for you?
mircea_popescu: as miners submitted current work, they were paid for their share of contribution to that low difficulty
mircea_popescu: ie, very much.
Lyspooner: maybe i misunderstand mining pools' payouts. but if i do work now, i shouldn't be paid until t+120
mircea_popescu: yea well it's not how it works out in practice.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of that 120... YET MORE MAGIC NUMBERS FUCKING HELL
Lyspooner: but that's the risk that mining pool ops assume
jurov: kakobrekla you didn't got doublespended on smpake.com?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner not detachedly from the general "trusting devteam" risk
kakobrekla: smpake is not operating since jan
jurov: ah smpake is down
mod6: (13:35) < jurov> mod6 yea but if you don't painstakingly document it it just won't go past some threshold << documentation is amazing
mod6: i've read tons of technical manuals. i quite like the strangely.
mod6: *them
mod6: but... it doesn't have to be 50 volumes to be helpful either.
mod6: cause the source speaks volumes itself
mod6: but there can always be a little guidence on how it is designed, why something is implemented the way it is, etc.
mod6: i feel like we need a bitcoin RFC
Namworld: !ticker
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
Namworld: hmm, assbot is there
assbot: sup mah niggah
maximian: assbot thinks its people
maximian: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.97092, Best ask: 46.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02908, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 179859.80684158, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.75220
mircea_popescu: lol
maximian: market doesn't seem terribly concerned about about all this
maximian: at least for now
jurov: and seeing evoorhees, "blockchain forks. satoshi dice not affected" i guess
maximian: SatoshiDice bet sizes not being affected by the exchange rate is a nice surprise
mircea_popescu: github down ?
mircea_popescu: jurov he had processing turned off for a little.
jurov: that would be funny if satoshidice kept functional on both sides of the fork
mircea_popescu: jurov it would be trivial to implement
mircea_popescu: idiot parade is lucky that evoorhees is a sweetheard, even if they treat him like dirt.
mod6: (12:08) < mircea_popescu> mod6 actually once you're done with the iphone app, a very good use of someone's time is to go through the codebase and summarize it
mod6: (12:08) < mircea_popescu> that;s usually a good step towards specification.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00559 = 0.1118 BTC [+]
mod6: maybe bitotter can wait
mod6: cause i feel like i want to clone and start going through this thing again. last year, I made a shit load of my own changes to get it working on freebsd properly.
mod6: anyway, I'll pull to linux and go through the code.
mod6: i wont start by making any changes to the source, just review it as I can.
mod6: yall should be doing the same thing.
mircea_popescu: mod6 but listen
mircea_popescu: you gotta finish projects too
mircea_popescu: if you only start them, work for some, then start new one... lot of wasted work man.
mod6: well, fair enough.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pigeons https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1617557#msg1617557
mircea_popescu: for your pleasure.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1987 = 0.3974 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: what's a spec
Lyspooner: http://i.imgur.com/NncJ5fI.jpg
mircea_popescu: a specification
mircea_popescu: spec stands to code in the same relationship contract stands to trade.
mircea_popescu: you can have trade without contracts but it's a recipe for disaster.
Lyspooner: i understand it only metaphorically now
mircea_popescu: that puts you muchly ahead of bitcoin-dev people.
mircea_popescu: they don't understand it at all.
Lyspooner: sweet
Lyspooner: i'm going to start a foundation
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 24 @ 0.00999 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: P T Barnum's Magical Trading Cards & Bitcoin Esoteric Foundation ?
Lyspooner: I was thinking: The Bitcoin Best Guess Foundation
Lyspooner: or Whatever Kinda Works
mircea_popescu: or that yeah
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]
dub: heres some low hanging fruit for you mircea_popescu. <pjorrit_> we really should get a SD on testnet
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with me ?
dub: you aren't on a quest to rescue bitcoin from mediocraty?
mircea_popescu: i set myself much lower goald.
mircea_popescu: goals*
dub: shivving a few poindexters more your speed
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.52000, Best ask: 44.55501, Bid-ask spread: 0.03501, Last trade: 44.55501, 24 hour volume: 182706.33065327, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.75828
Ukto: mircea_popescu
Ukto: if I put a test bot trade announcer in here
mircea_popescu: that's me.
Ukto: will you be happy?
Ukto: just announcing for now
Ukto: in alpha test mode
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: like a diff bot ? sure.
Ukto: but would you stop whining about trades? :P
mircea_popescu: atm im goingthrough the summary of the bitcoin-dev session for the 12th
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's much hope for the current dev team, seriously.
Ukto: switch to litecoin
mircea_popescu: anyone "upgrading" to any further crap they release is irresponsible from a business perspective.
mircea_popescu: we need an actual trustworthy bitcoin implementation asap.
Ukto: i think were better off with btc's team than nothing
Ukto: meh
mircea_popescu: atm bitcoin is forked, in the sense that some kids are in jerkoff lalaland
Ukto: i am not using their crap
mircea_popescu: whereas the protocol is unimplemented.
Ukto: i am using a highly customized version
kakobrekla: assbot is for assets trades
mircea_popescu: Ukto no, atm we'd be better of if everyone in devteam were under a bus.
Ukto: which is why I wasnt effected
kakobrekla: we wont have 10 different ones here
kakobrekla: its really simple to implement, just ask the others.
Ukto: kakobrekla: will you write websocket support?
Ukto: i dont want systems banging on my webservers
Ukto: i just paid someone to write it
Ukto: to make ppl happy
Ukto: since no one else can get with the times
Ukto: and stop using archaic technology
kakobrekla: ill make websocket when you have 10 trades per second consistently
Ukto: well now you dont have to worry
mircea_popescu: that;'ll be fun to watch in chan lmao
Ukto: i have it running
Ukto: same format for trade display
kakobrekla: the thing is there is one protocol by which all exchanges go
kakobrekla: take it or leave it
Ukto: then the other exchanges should move into the present
Ukto: sorry, but I know how to create platforms that dont buckle under load when they get a large userbase
Ukto: do it right the first time
Ukto: or just be a fuckup
FabianB: Ukto: how's a push from your system to assbot 'banging your server'? if i understand it right assbot doesn't pull from your servers
Ukto: enabling the 15sec call requests on the graphs on bf
Ukto: caused a laod increase of 5% on the servers
kakobrekla: O_o
Ukto: with all the extra unneeded sql queries
mircea_popescu: new mpex webserver coming online imminently.
maximian: nice!
Ukto: 380 requests every other second
mircea_popescu: there will be a trade freeze, should be no more than ~10 minutes, will be announced in advance
kakobrekla: so you can do 380 but you cant do 382
Ukto: i dont do them
Ukto: i turned it off
kakobrekla: w/e
Ukto: about to turn on websockets for the browser
kakobrekla: good for you
Ukto: will create no extra load
Ukto: and everything will work
Ukto: if you tell me no bot in here
Ukto: thats fine
Ukto: i will put it in #bitfunder
Ukto: and people can watch it there if they want
kakobrekla: theres assbot.
kakobrekla: mpex is a special case
Ukto: i was trying to be nice and paid to have something done to make people happy
maximian: now blockchain.info is getting the DDoS treatment: https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/311591961268215809
Ukto: i could honestly care less about it announcing in here
kakobrekla: you are being just silly
TomServo: mircea_popescu: do you have a link to the bitcoin-dev summary you're referring to?
kakobrekla: good!
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: then dont do it
Ukto: i think your beig silly by not letting another bot
Ukto: one with no commands
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you dont care but you care enough to bring another bot?
Ukto: at all
Ukto: just to make people happy
kakobrekla: how does that work
Ukto: otherwise its not my issue
kakobrekla: aha
Ukto: if the channel operator doesnt want it
Ukto: ppl want to see trades on irc
Ukto: fine
Troic: read it all here http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/03
Ukto: they can do itwhever the bot is allowed
Ukto: mircea_popescu: you will need to join #bitfunder if you want to see the trades if he wont allow it
Ukto: otherwise i dont want to hear any more complaints about it
kakobrekla: the other exchanges had no problem intergrating
Ukto: end of story.
kakobrekla: it was done in 10 min
kakobrekla: strange you have one.
mircea_popescu: this is going well
mircea_popescu: TomServo no, as it's not public. but you can have the source http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/03/12
Ukto: kakobrekla: so you want me to make a custom GET/POST request script
Ukto: specially for your bot to bang every 5 seconds ?
kakobrekla: if a onliner means 'custom get post script' then yes
mircea_popescu: Ukto i don't think you understand how this works
mircea_popescu: you post to his server not the other way around
Ukto: that would never work then
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Thanks.
Ukto: the server remains behind protection for a reason as not to have the ips given out
mircea_popescu: Ukto how to you publish on twitter ?
Ukto: twitter is not a person on irc
Ukto: and part of the btc community
mircea_popescu: so use a proxy
Ukto: and thts prolly going to stop honestly
Ukto: it has no real use
mircea_popescu: wait. jhow are you going to implement ipless websockets ?!
Ukto: mircea_popescu: i already todl you that
Ukto: the main servers ip
Ukto: is not revealed
mircea_popescu: but if you connect via sockets, you expose an ip
Ukto: not to end users
mircea_popescu: but to the same people you'd be post-ing to
Ukto: only to the socket network
mircea_popescu: oh, that socket network thing
Ukto: yes
Ukto: it removes all load on information distribution
Ukto: I was discussing it with tux as well
Ukto: to lower load on the servers
kakobrekla: so the conclusion is Ukto cant afford a post per trade
Ukto: anywho, we were at a crossroads, i didnt want to custom for your bot because its really a waste of time when theres a simple method for it. I paid someone to make a work around. you say NO for no real reason. thas that
Ukto: i drop the subect
Ukto: call me a jew
Ukto: i punch those pennies
Ukto: :)
Ukto: when it comes to load
Ukto: and efficiency
Ukto: pinch
Ukto: even
kakobrekla: just a coder mircea_popescu, just a coder.
Ukto: and fwiw it took someone 10 minutes to make a websocket announcing bot.
kakobrekla: and it takes 3 min to post it to assbot
Ukto: but that doesnt solve the ip protection issue
Ukto: if this channel had 10,000 users i would care more
Ukto: it has about 25 active
Ukto: 30 ppl who lurk at any given time
Ukto: and none of them that respond to trades in here by jumping on an exchange and trading because of it
kakobrekla: nobody is forcing you so is all good, dont sweat it
Ukto: im not. just tired of people whining that they cant see the bf trades
Ukto: so i made a simple solution
kakobrekla: well then you are wrong perhaps
Ukto: that causes no conflicts
Ukto: or problems
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: good!
Ukto: other than with you hehe
Ukto: :P
kakobrekla: lets have a cake or something now
Ukto: i mean honestly, can you give me a good reason why different name cant say the same information?
Ukto: what if I manualyl paste them every time? will i get banned?
jurov: Ukto, what about tickers?
Ukto: jurov: not yet. just announcing
jurov: !ticker bf i mean
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
Ukto: jurov: might be #bf only
kakobrekla: assbot is a standard in #bitcoin-assets , in other rooms there can be 252 bots having buttsex for all i care
Ukto: I dont want to override the "standard"
Ukto: but the sstandard is set in its ways
Ukto: its like nano said. if bitcoincharts stops updating its lists of exchanges, he would allow workaround to add new ones
Ukto: for -market
kakobrekla: maybe some fan of yours will make a script that will listen to your socket and make posts
kakobrekla: you never know!
burnside: heh
Ukto: so if this other person operates the bot and announces in here
Ukto: thats fine?
Ukto: -_-
kakobrekla: are you stupid?
burnside: Ukto, can I get api access to BF?
Ukto: burnside: the get/post api for bf is currently only opened to 14 ppl and being reworked based on suggestions. debating forcing it all to websocket at this point.
Ukto: for reasons I stated earlier
burnside: can I be #15?
Ukto: pm ?
kakobrekla: lol talk about triple standards.
dub: we only do double standards here, its more efficient
Ukto: lol
kakobrekla: and double blockchain.
kakobrekla: now sd can do twice the tx
kakobrekla: with same blck size
benkay: ukto, this is your problem for not scoping market standards first
benkay: it's not our problem to conform to your preferred implementation
Ukto: sure :)
benkay: if you want trades seen by max people, publish in places they'll be seen.
Ukto: and i didnt care if they were seen in here or not
Ukto: a few ppl asked
benkay: head over to otc
Ukto: over and over
Ukto: so i made something
Ukto: end of story
benkay: haha
benkay: missed the whole lean startup movement
benkay: forgot your user research
Ukto: if its not wanted, then its not wanted
benkay: nobody wants your socket
Ukto: thts fine
kakobrekla: exactly :)
benkay: just 'cause you dumped money into it doesn't give it value.
Ukto: they dont have to have it. :)
benkay: that's fine. your arrogance will cripple your business.
Ukto: tht makes no sense
benkay: humility and egoless development will open the doors to users
Ukto: "no one wants your socket" "ok" "your arrogent" ?
kakobrekla: point benkay.
benkay: you're going to have to articulate that argument a little more clearly.
Ukto: what argument?
benkay: Ukto: "no one wants your socket" "ok" "your arrogent" ?
benkay: oh i get it
Ukto: you say someone doesnt want something, I said ok. and you called me arrogent for it
Ukto: dont understand. :)]
Ukto: i agree, no one has to use the sockets if they dont want to
Ukto: i wont force it on anyone
Ukto: whats the issue?
benkay: don't have time to explain.
benkay: no issue for me
Ukto: then pm me another time and we can talk. :)
Ukto: i have none either.
Ukto: :)
benkay: except for an inherently limited user base watching your data feed :)
mircea_popescu: then one wonders how bitcoin base got in such a mess
FabianB: sad my bet on bitbet "bitfunder won't announce in #bitcoin-assets by ..." wasn't accepted a few days ago ;)
kakobrekla: rofl
benkay: sad, why not?
Ukto: FabianB: lol
FabianB: benkay: could've won :)
FabianB: Ukto and kakobrekla just don't get along
benkay: implying bitbet only takes losing wagers?
FabianB: benkay: no
Ukto: FabianB: nah, kako's fine
Ukto: i have no issue with em
Ukto: i just dont want to use post/get's (which i originalyl thought thats how it worked for the bot since i was never todl otherwise when asked about it)
Ukto: and b. i dont issue outbound connections from any of my servers. weexchange, bitfunder, etc
Ukto: ust a conflict of standards
Ukto: :)
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: i can be trusted with mpex ip
kakobrekla: which has real ddos threats
mircea_popescu: benkay well no but it doesn't take wagers where one person can singlehandedly decide the outcome
kakobrekla: but not bitfunder
kakobrekla: oh noes!
benkay: oh deep.
mircea_popescu: too easy to game
benkay: derp
FabianB: Ukto: not really with a proxy (connecting via websockets to bitfunder and posting to assbot)
benkay: yeah
benkay: don't trust the good who runs the assbot listening to mpex
benkay: dood
benkay: man fuck the spellcheck on this client
Ukto: I guess i could have the guy change the bot
mircea_popescu: i don't have ddos threats lmao
Ukto: to accept websocket announces
dub: just throw up the socket already and let someone else spend 3 minutes routing around your damage
Ukto: and then announce a POST to kako's bot
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: i have a never ending flood of actuall ddos since like the beginning of the month
FabianB: Ukto: that
kakobrekla: you can bounce it off the moon while you are at it
kakobrekla: there are mirros on it
dub: mircea_popescu: its just someone sharing their packets with you bro
mircea_popescu: dub they seem to have a lot
Ukto: kakobrekla: pm me the url and format to post the data
mircea_popescu: inb4 "no cause i can't share my ip"
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: or pm me a url to any documentation
Ukto: whenever you want.
kakobrekla: aha
jurov: Fatal error: Call to undefined function gnupg_init() in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/index.php on line 200
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [-]
jurov: guess where it's from ;)
wiggzz: mpex.co... just checked hah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.58 = 2.32 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lalala
Ukto: forgot to install someting? ;)
Ukto: php and gnnupg. hated setting that up the first time
mircea_popescu: Ukto as you might notice, mpex.coinbr.com is doing fine
Ukto: why wouldnt it be?
Ukto: now that its on a network that can handle things. jurov was scrambling like crazy to get things setup right
Ukto: i think it worked out great
Ukto: was happy when the live.coinbr graphs started working again. :)
mircea_popescu: im just saying, the proxy is on to mpex.
mircea_popescu: mpex.co is just new gear being deployed/tested etc
mircea_popescu: i guess i should have not dns'd it
jurov: why not? the beauty of unfinished things lol
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: oh that's what's fucking me up
dub: today bitcoins dev team is solving the problem of how to ignore people that call them names on the forum
TomServo: mircea_popescu: do errored links count against my weekly tally? :P
smickles: my guiclient is seeing that mpex.co is there so it's sending STAT's to that
mircea_popescu: smickles mk im fixing this.
mircea_popescu: 1 sec
Bowjob: meow
Bowjob: so what happened
Bowjob: we $25
Bowjob: or
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.11000, Best ask: 44.32800, Bid-ask spread: 0.21800, Last trade: 44.32800, 24 hour volume: 184334.05898785, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.73067
Bowjob: there goes my cheap coins
Bowjob: lol
dub: also http://i.imgur.com/NncJ5fI.jpg
smickles: lol
Bowjob: look at that LTC price rise
Bowjob: tsk
smickles: what db does ltc use?
dub: [19:05] <theymos> Luke-Jr: On the subject of bitcointroll forum, I'm going to add a feature allowing you to mark your topics as self-moderated when you create them. In such topics, the OP can delete replies. That should solve some of your problems.
pizzaman1337: I think it's just forked at 0.7 basically
kakobrekla: prolly nobody knows cause the devs are all dead
dub: that is so fucking broken
kakobrekla: like with debian
smickles: oh, so the rise in ltc is just an emotional thing
Bowjob: ummm its risen even before the fork
smickles: dub: we must be able to silence the opposition
Bowjob: i sold 10k ltc on the way down, i thought i did well by minimizing my loss
smickles: theymos is such an ass
smickles: (if that quote is to be believed)
kakobrekla: theymos is an ass even w/o the quote
mircea_popescu: what's this theymos stuff about ?
smickles: so, with that quote, it's official. theymos is from soviet russia
mircea_popescu: i thought people were always able to delete their own crap on bitcointalk
kakobrekla: > OP can delete replies.
kakobrekla: thanks to MPOE-PR!
mircea_popescu: what's that, op ?
kakobrekla: original poster
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: so just don't post in topics created by luke
mircea_popescu: (not that anyone does anyway)
mircea_popescu: he's sorta like, dev-usagi by now anyway.
smickles: the auction section is about to be awesome
smickles: or scam accusations, anything really
smickles: someone post evidence of you having stolen btc, just delete it
dub: he is dev-nefario
dub: only gmax actually wants him around
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0 seconds
kakobrekla: less than
kakobrekla: $mpexlag
mpexbot: kakobrekla: 0.0897209644318 seconds
kakobrekla: ha!
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
smickles: http://imgur.com/a/vAzaK
smickles: mircea_popescu: ^^
smickles: this thing is going to rock on android (for those willing to put their privkey on their phone
smickles: aside from that, it's a very pleasing way to use mpex
mircea_popescu: eee looks real cool
mircea_popescu: lol wtf, gox offline ?
smickles: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.3137 seconds
smickles: 0_o
smickles: no...?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> ;;goxlag
mircea_popescu: <gribble> 0 seconds
mircea_popescu: 0 seconds is liek... ok srsly ?!
smickles: lol
smickles: it's prolly a rounding error
mircea_popescu: from 54576937698796854
pizzaman1337: I think it's measuring how far behind just the trading engine is
kakobrekla: correct
kakobrekla: the fact they need such indicator
kakobrekla: speaks for itself
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
Bowjob: IT appears that LTC will hit the dollar parity soon
Bowjob: is this crazy talk or
Bowjob: wtf
kakobrekla: its 0.00156
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.08000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 44.08000, 24 hour volume: 183524.02883802, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.69802
kakobrekla: ;;calc 44*0.00156
gribble: 0.06864
kakobrekla: is it me or is this far from dollar parity?
kakobrekla: ah nvm
kakobrekla: fucked up a zero
kakobrekla: ;;calc 44*0.0158
gribble: 0.6952
kakobrekla: possibru.
dub: dafuq
dub: and I've thrown away a bunch of ltc :/
dub: derptiem
dub: must remember to have a look for it
dub: so is assbot getting buttfunder feed or no?
BitHub: hah
dub: need better intel on when to dump asicminer
mircea_popescu: "TD that's why i don't understand people who say implementation diversity is a good thing. it's clearly not."
BitHub: i can buy a mining rig, yay
Bowjob: 75cents per ltc now
mircea_popescu: insanity.
jcpham: ponzi tulip coin
BitHub: overprised?
BitHub: priced
jcpham: buy tulips now!
dub: is it cpuminable still?
Bowjob: nope
Bowjob: ive been wondering why the hell is it rising
Bowjob: is it because gpu miners abandoning btc?
dub: cocain is a helluva drug
jcpham: some morons out there have dediced to rape it
jcpham: wait until july 2011 litecoin prices
jcpham: thne what
Bowjob: Low: 0.3125 USD High: 0.7525
jcpham: is that a spread or the low/high fo today
Bowjob: yes
Bowjob: low high
kakobrekla: basically noone has any idea if its worth anything
Bowjob: ive watched it since 5 cents
Bowjob: grow
BitHub: hmmm
jcpham: i'm not sure i'd call it growing
kakobrekla: 01:11.57 ( kakobrekla ) but sersiouls how much use is there for ltc
kakobrekla: 01:12.01 ( kakobrekla ) why would i USE it
kakobrekla: 01:12.03 ( kakobrekla ) instead of btc
jcpham: maybe speculated
jcpham: on one exchange
BitHub: be funny if ltc became worth more than btc
Bowjob: the trollbox is going nuts
jcpham: i'd laugh for sure
jcpham: i might sell some poop on ebay for a bajillion dolars too
BitHub: btc becomes worthless and its all about the ltc
jcpham: unless freicoin
jcpham: or some other tulip comes along
jcpham: currency exchange is one thing
jcpham: storage of value another entirely
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually, if the current devs continue as bitcoin devs, i can envisage ltc becoming the standard coin.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i will use it.
jcpham: mircea_popescu you die first
BitHub: heh
jcpham: i mean.
jcpham: oops
kakobrekla: oh so you sayin ltc devs are better than btc devs mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: no. i am saying the bitcoin devs are patent idiots
mircea_popescu: and the ltc devs i do not know.
kakobrekla: cause there arent any?
jcpham: becasue there arre none
mircea_popescu: excellent
BitHub: patent idiots lul
jcpham: ^
dub: coblee
dub: he's the cut and paste engineer
mircea_popescu: currently if all bitcoin devs were hit by a bus bitcoin would benefit immensely.
BitHub: do you think the price would go up?
jcpham: all forked up
dub: because pumpcoin
mircea_popescu: jcpham ver .8 didn't make tiself.
mircea_popescu: nor did ver .7
BitHub: instantly see 100$
dub: before you dumpcoin
jcpham: i was on .6 until yesterday
jcpham: shitty devs didn't tell me anything
jcpham: i want my goddamn money back mircea_popescu
jcpham: i'm calling customer support right now
mircea_popescu: i will certainly have the girl ad psas to any future bullshiot "upgrades" they come up with
mircea_popescu: as in, do not upgrade. the people pushing this broken code are irresponsible and you will lose out.
jcpham: the fucking software has all these retard shiny coins all over it
jcpham: i've never seen a single shiny anything
jcpham: esimobob off
jcpham: fuck your keyboard
dub: mpex should fund solidcoin development to replace bitcoin
BitHub: if it aint broken, don't fix it
BitHub: so simple
BitHub: but then again this was done on purpose because of politics
burnside: wow, BTC to USD 42.233 || LTC 64.26735218
burnside: I'm going to be a thousandaire
kakobrekla: of which
burnside: well, I guess I'm a thousandaire of LTC already, so soon I can be a thousandaire of USD. ;)
kakobrekla: BTC is what you are looking for.
burnside: eh, for that I have a ways to go.
kakobrekla: :)
burnside: I was close before I found the GLBSE
burnside: heh
kakobrekla: got burned there?
kakobrekla: before you were just side?
burnside: oh yeah. exactly
kakobrekla: :)
burnside: it was just play money then unfortunately, and I treated it as such
kakobrekla: myea
burnside: out for the day. later all.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152457.0
dub: thebuttholezone is such a prolix dick eater
benkay: +1
benkay: i will admit
benkay: i lol'd
kakobrekla: ah this si bitcurex
kakobrekla: is*
kakobrekla: thought it was the other simmilar sounding one
kakobrekla: bitfinex or smth
kakobrekla: but anywho the warning stands
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-ddosed-an-epic/
mircea_popescu: the blog you've all been missing secretly
pizzaman1337: the blog that always tells me I need to pay up :(
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 payup pizza man!
mircea_popescu: 10`000 btc
pizzaman1337: if only I had that laying around
mircea_popescu: o, also : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136084608044.jpg
BitHub: sweet mircea i made your blog
deadweasel: all the txns that ended up in the orphaned fork, did they complete, or get 6 confirmations?
mircea_popescu: BitHub :D
deadweasel: or were they always unconfirmed?
deadweasel: oops, wrong window. answers still appreciated
Namworld: looks like MPEx is back
mircea_popescu: deadweasel yes they'll be fine
mircea_popescu: most already resolved im sure.
mircea_popescu: Namworld soon now.
deadweasel: I'm curious what a transaction from an orphaned fork looks like?
deadweasel: thats more of a statement than a ?
mircea_popescu: just like a normal one
BitHub: glad the irc bot thing worked out, hope you find these dickheads hey
deadweasel: so anyone who happened to be buying 3 lbs of gold in person with bitcion at exactly that time, would have seen 6 confirmations?
deadweasel: and walked away?
BitHub: PPS. Everyone named in this article gets a block of 10`000 S.MPOE shares. Contact jurov to take possession - that include me mircea :)
Namworld: Well the blog is... MPEx will certainly follow soon
mircea_popescu: BitHub don't get excited, it's for the helper ppl :D
benkay: oh man
mircea_popescu: Namworld certainly.
BitHub: hehe :)
mircea_popescu: "named" not "quoted", you know.
BitHub: good read man, any idea who or why?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: but on the positive side, mpex gets much better servers and stuff
BitHub: i'm suprised there's no mpex irc room
kakobrekla: you are innit
BitHub: :P
BitHub: i figured most of them were here :)
kakobrekla: well its the place to be
benkay: is there a bitcoin security channel?
benkay: well derp
benkay: i'm just not welcome apparently
kakobrekla: benkay?
benkay: yessir
kakobrekla: you are not welcome where?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin security ? what is that ?
benkay: #bitcoin-security
benkay: i dunno
kakobrekla: is like bitcoin police
kakobrekla: but without the badge
benkay: i was hoping to find someone who would tell me
benkay: i was imagining a land of rainbows and ponies tbh
benkay: s/land/chan
benkay: where sages of netsec and hackers extraordinare waxed on the merits and methods of securing one's business
kakobrekla: you can ask here
mircea_popescu: hh.
kakobrekla: sadly, this still is the best bitcoin chan.
pizzaman1337: I love this channel
BitHub: :)
benkay: this channel brings value to my life.
benkay: 's about all i can say.
kakobrekla: :)
dub: benkay: try #intersango
mircea_popescu: Processor #32 Vendor GenuineIntel Name Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 0 @ 2.00GHz
dub: some fuckin skurity proffessors in thur
mircea_popescu: ahhh. seriously, what's sweeter than 32 core e5-2650 ?
kakobrekla: at least we know its genuine.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i need 20 cores nao.
pizzaman1337: did you buy it with btc?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 nope.
benkay: thanks dub
pizzaman1337: :(
mircea_popescu: but i got 3.
dub: ps: don't tell them I sent you
kakobrekla: dub dont fuck around with people like that
dub: pps: don't ask about makign backups
mircea_popescu: which makes me actually have more hardware than mtgox atm.
kakobrekla: dub its not nice.
mircea_popescu: benkay intersangro being, obviously, the fuckwit champs of btc.
dub: I though my follow up '<dub> some fuckin skurity proffessors in thur' expressed an appropriate level of sarcasm?
benkay: links?
benkay: you guise i can make my own mind up about things
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin drama timeline
gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/>; Lolvacute, pentru posteritate pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012 (1 more message)
kakobrekla: :DD
mircea_popescu: first one works best
dub: sorry for pooplinking
kakobrekla: i just dont want to see you wasting too much time benkay
TomServo: Like Waingro from Heat?
Chaang-Noi: oh ltc, lulz 75 cents so fast? :)
benkay: i'm oddly flattered kakobrekla
kakobrekla: OH SHUTUP Chaang-Noi
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: although i assume you're after next year's socket fee already
mircea_popescu: i bought some last week. should i sell nao ?
kakobrekla: im thinkin dat too
Chaang-Noi: sorry kakobrekla :)
kakobrekla: its ok Chaang-Noi, just messing around.
Chaang-Noi: i know:)
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin breaking i think really showed people a more tested version is good to have around
dub: ;;calc 200000*0.75
gribble: 150000
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin after all is litecoins test chain :)
kakobrekla: LTC = more tested bitcoin
dub: I should have maffed dat in my head
kakobrekla: from where did this horse shit came
Chaang-Noi: trollin trollin, its good fun iuf you do it for money
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: you troll well.
Chaang-Noi: thank you
BitHub: yeah man i got paid to troll lance armstrong for a while
BitHub: that was fun
kakobrekla: ;;rate Chaang-Noi 1 trolls well
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
Chaang-Noi: :)
dub: imposter!
kakobrekla: ;;rate Chaang-Noi 1 trolls well
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
kakobrekla: fu gribble
Chaang-Noi: im not on wot
BitHub: we call him Ken Doll
kakobrekla: ;;rate Chaang-Noi 1 trolls well
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: not in WOT?!
kakobrekla: NOT IN WOT?!?!?!?
kakobrekla: ;;rate Chaang-Noi -10 not in WOT
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, im trusted, i dont need it
Chaang-Noi: :)
kakobrekla: not anymore!
dub: ;;getrating goat
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
Chaang-Noi: people like gmaxwell rating people neg they never delt with cuz they do something like play s.dice really turned me off
kakobrekla: lolwut
Chaang-Noi: let me try again, i need coffee
Chaang-Noi: gmaxwell rates people -1 or -5 cuz they gamble on s.dice
Chaang-Noi: that pisses me off as people jsut abose it
kakobrekla: how nice of him
Chaang-Noi: so i wont use a system that is so fucked up
benkay: haha
benkay: stop gambling on s dice in a transparent way
benkay: mp i'm enjoying your tirade on fucking a lot more than the drama posts
kakobrekla: :D
Chaang-Noi: i dont use s.dice it was just one example of how i see it abused
Chaang-Noi: pirate was like 2nd highest rated? lulz
kakobrekla: oh not this again
Namworld: OTC is just like Bitcoin. Each user can run however they want about attributing trust or distrust.
kakobrekla: you must learn to read wot Chaang-Noi
benkay: tirade's the wrong word
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: ;;getrating dub
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dub!~dub@unaffiliated/dub . User dub, rated since Wed Dec 19 14:09:17 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dub
kakobrekla: oh you on the other hand are
kakobrekla: ;;rate dub 1 trolls well, too.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded.
Chaang-Noi: yeah i just dont think wot is a good tool, not worth my time. i can see how it is goodfor some people not as well known as me, but im one of bitcointalks greatest trolls:)
benkay: dang. in btc world, you blow things and you're arguably completely fucked for starting things under your own name ever again.
Namworld: :;rate Chaang-Noi -10 Too much black/purple/red in his home, really bad choice of colors. Doesn't give off a very trusty vibe like pure white.
Chaang-Noi: :)
Namworld: ^^ would be valid
benkay: contrasts strongly against american startuplandia where you can pivot (fail) ten times with 3 different investment rounds, and still be lauded as a pop-hero
kakobrekla: thats so cool eh benkay
Namworld: ratings are just how much an user trust you. Someone insane could distrust someone for whatever.
benkay: cool?
benkay: cool is the grand canyon
benkay: cool is fucking your buddy's wife
kakobrekla: in the summer too?
kakobrekla: the canyon, not the wife
benkay: this is BITCOIN
kakobrekla: anyway the point is its nice to see you can be accountable in a way
benkay: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/138/644/THISISSPARTA!.jpg
Chaang-Noi: namworld but i remember who i trust, why do i need to use wot?
kakobrekla: or else we would still have patric harnets and such
kakobrekla: around
kakobrekla: no?
Namworld: You can use ;;gettrust to only get indirect ratings from people you trust yourself
Namworld: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
benkay: "in a way"
gribble: Trust relationship from user Namworld to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Namworld&dest=mircea_popescu
Chaang-Noi: i dont know... after all my fail i was always honest and people trust me, and if they dont im happy to use escrow :)
Namworld: ;;gettrust Chaang-Noi
gribble: Trust relationship from user Namworld to user Chaang-Noi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Namworld&dest=Chaang-Noi
benkay: dunno man, dunno.
kakobrekla: about?
Namworld: I'm lacking data about you apparently.
Chaang-Noi: im not on wot
benkay: but it's definitely a step towards a world where people generally know all there is to know about you.
Namworld: Explains it.
kakobrekla: benkay you mean facebook?
benkay: not even man
benkay: so far not even
kakobrekla: you are afraid to be over exposed over OTC wot
kakobrekla: or what
benkay: think about a plugin to your radio system that identifies customers as they walk in your store and then queues up music for them
kakobrekla: im not following
benkay: imagine truly pervasive surveillance
benkay: nvm
benkay: i don't have time for this conversation
benkay: and i'm not nearly stoned enough to find it interesting.
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: mkay
Chaang-Noi: dont know, i dont use facebook either, i just dont like that sorta of social networking, i have a very good trading recored
kakobrekla: whoever uses facebook and bitcoin is retarded
kakobrekla: crypto anarchists on facebook, right.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda have the same idea about wot as i do facebook :/
BitHub: https://www.facebook.com/pages/BitHub/579117455436997 - you can now contact BitHub via our FB page
smickles: kakobrekla: my facebook name is fedarush akatom
BitHub: thanks.
kakobrekla: yw BitHub :)
benkay: dude! you guys i don't even want to build a business in this space
benkay: i mean i totally do
benkay: but it scares me shitless.
kakobrekla: why?
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: it should.
benkay: there are three outcomes for me
benkay: win
Chaang-Noi: i was dumb and sold 50k litecoin around 42 cents... should i cash out or buy more ltc... ahhh
benkay: go to jail
benkay: lose everyone's money
kakobrekla: benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0
benkay: i've read that many a time
kakobrekla: mkay
kakobrekla: well then you know what to do
benkay: i'm actually looking forward to MPOE-PR "FIRST"ing it on a launch page
BitHub: its not that hard
kakobrekla: fisting?
kakobrekla: ah firsting.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin.org down !?
mircea_popescu: nm just slow
BitHub: you most likely wont go to jail
BitHub: unless you're doing something illegal or not paying taxes
kakobrekla: or move to where its legal
benkay: "most likely"
benkay: so comforting, sir.
kakobrekla: thats why we are here.
Chaang-Noi: pirate wont even go to jail
benkay: not moving, either. i have roots here.
benkay: did pirate disclose his identiy?
benkay: identity
Chaang-Noi: at best SEC fucks with him, but SEC cant jail people
Chaang-Noi: yes pirate is very well known by all
benkay: is he still operating in the space?
Chaang-Noi: not with that name no
kakobrekla: yeah he paid yesterday.
kakobrekla: sry just had to, was a long time since last one.
Chaang-Noi: :)
BitHub: i heard finland and costa rica are good places to setup bitcoin companies
Chaang-Noi: kakobrkla you should see my account size, once he pays out im going to be supper rich!
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi :D
benkay: i'm only dinner rich
kakobrekla: BitHub the way i see it, slovenia is fuckin awesome
BitHub: yeah?
BitHub: Australia not too bad
BitHub: no dramas
kakobrekla: yeah, noone give a flying fuck
kakobrekla: gives*
BitHub: nice kako where is that? Eastern Euro?
kakobrekla: one might argue its not south but central, ill take mps deficinion of being estern too
kakobrekla: definition
benkay: i am just not leaving this town.
benkay: i am glad to come visit you all
BitHub: i cant wait to travel more
benkay: ugh, that was a dumb sentence.
BitHub: need to check out so many place
BitHub: s
deadweasel: which place first, bithub?
benkay: deadweasel i'm not going to pycon
benkay: pynight i mean
benkay: because i'm going to pycon
smickles: mircea_popescu: wth, i know you like this number
smickles: ValueError: Extra data: line 1 column 187 - line 22 column 65 (char 187 - 1337)
mircea_popescu: lol!
smickles: are you trolling me via my statjson?
mircea_popescu: not intentionally. which is this ?
deadweasel: benkay me neither
smickles: mircea_popescu: some error I get when trying to decode my stat
Chaang-Noi: hih first ever btc-ltc i have seen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18763.msg1618387#msg1618387
kakobrekla: makes me wanna sell ltc.
Chaang-Noi: its a bad joke but still a first
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724998 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: anyway im off to a mini family vacation, they think iv sat too long at the computer :(
benkay: real reason mp should not make new clients happen
benkay: critical density in bitcoin space
benkay: tear fabric of economic universe
benkay: unpredictable results.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225589 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 202 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4822007.4493 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.39708
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2500 @ 0.00559 = 13.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.199 = 0.398 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.0055 = 0.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00559 = 0.0224 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I hope you can realize how much more we could accomplish and how much happier everyone would be if you acted like less of a douchebag."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is rich.
kakobrekla: from to?
ThickAsThieves: ltc...
ThickAsThieves: its a buying bonanza
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the devs are idiots thread
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0;all
kakobrekla: id give 10 btc to be able to punch misterbigg in the face, just once.
mircea_popescu: lol
BitHub: wow @ https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board
BitHub: intresting characters
kakobrekla: >He is the mastermind who created the current trade engine and the multi-currency platform for Mt.Gox
kakobrekla: brilliant.
BitHub: is the s.dice guy in there as well?
mircea_popescu: "Executive Director, Chairman of the Board, Treasurer"
mircea_popescu: this is a toy.
mircea_popescu: i hope it's obvious.
BitHub: hmmm
BitHub: now i feel silly defending bitcoin and how decentralized it is to teh haters
mircea_popescu: i guess now we know what coings are being floated by coinlab.
kakobrekla: yeah its more fucked than whores at closin time BitHub
mircea_popescu: but then again, as the girl said after the pirate fiasco : give your money to idiots, cause trouble across the board.
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin people still have to learn a lot about how confidence tricks work.
BitHub: lulz kako
BitHub: so do we actually need the board? or should i give money to them?
kakobrekla: what for?
BitHub: i dont know i dont want to get in trouble
BitHub: i dont want to say anything bad about the foundation....but.......
BitHub: seems scammy?
mircea_popescu: vote with your coins.
BitHub: i like how dodgy their pics look
BitHub: haha
midnightmagic: BitHub: The fastest way to shut up haters is to stop talking to them and walk away.
BitHub: yeah, i found its best to be like "yeah cool man" and go onto something else
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem means they're being irrational. Why even bother with irrational people?
pigeons: smickles: what was your formula for the price of a mining "share"?
midnightmagic: "Bye, have fun being bent over by the Universe for the rest of your life."
kakobrekla: standard foruma is reward/iff
kakobrekla: formul
kakobrekla: a
kakobrekla: fuck
kakobrekla: iff = diff
kakobrekla: ill shutup.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00181 = 0.181 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: wanna see how fast bitcoin can hit $500 ? Shift the decimal one place to the right..
pigeons: ;;diff
gribble: 4367876.000842196
midnightmagic: ha ha! oh I kill me..
pigeons: ;;bc,btcguild
gribble: 14128725.59
midnightmagic: eligius is 5+TH did you notice?
pigeons: ;;bc,eligius
gribble: 580880.010226
pigeons: ;;bc,p2pool
gribble: 201745.680513
midnightmagic: that eligius report is out-of-date. check eligius' stats page.
pigeons: nanotube: is this static data?
pigeons: ;;nextprice
gribble: Error: "nextprice" is not a valid command.
pigeons: ;;bc,price
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 49.634057 | Next Price In About 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 44 seconds
pigeons: woo-hoo
nanotube: pigeons: no, it's all pulled live
nanotube: ;;help bc,eligius
gribble: (bc,eligius <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "math calc [cut -1 [web fetch http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/pool/hashrate.txt]]/1000000".
pigeons: Luke-Jr: i'm shocked
pigeons: ah the eligius asics overheated
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 100 @ 0.0039 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [-]
dub: goes to show how much of a joke the idea of mining being some kind of democratic concensus system is
mircea_popescu: dub miningis
mircea_popescu: the current people doing it obviously aren't quite there yet, but no worries,
mircea_popescu: money washes stupid.
dub: ;;bc,nethash
gribble: 33839.987497068854
dub: ;;help bc,nethash
gribble: (bc,nethash <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "cut -1 [web fetch http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-3D.txt]".
LameCoin-: any comments on yesterdays events?
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: lots of stuff happend yesterday like on a normal day
LameCoin-: the block chain fork
kakobrekla: but im guessing youre talking about fork yea
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: well we are still here
kakobrekla: the price reflects high confidence
LameCoin-: i enjoyed reading mircea's comments to the developers on the forum
kakobrekla: then you will prolly enjoy staying around
LameCoin-: i think the selling yesterday would have occured regardless
kakobrekla: dunno
LameCoin-: well even under the event the price never hit last weeks sell off
kakobrekla: bitbet now spams via twitter and rss feeds.
bowjob: btc-e is down
kakobrekla: hax0rd
kakobrekla: its up here
bowjob: hey is the trollbox still there?
kakobrekla: ltc is 0.01642 cause i know you wanna know
bowjob: it goes on and off for me, the site. i dont see the trollbox
kakobrekla: trollbox is here
bowjob: i see the trollbox but on my account i cant
bowjob: wtf
bowjob: if i log in
kakobrekla: you got outtrolled
grubles: whats the mpex fee nowadays?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.709999 = 3.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.71 = 8.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.745 = 5.235 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
dub: grubles: still 30 last I heard
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.005237 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000706 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.724994 = 6.5249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724994 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00687 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724994 = 2.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.745 = 12.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7499 = 8.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 1.75 = 35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58699999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.587 = 1.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.589 = 1.767 BTC [+]
Mandrius: h
kakobrekla: urr
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
grubles: who wants to buy my mpex account
Ukto: 0,o
grubles: private key and all
dub: video of bitcointalk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20301, Best ask: 46.38751, Bid-ask spread: 0.18450, Last trade: 46.20000, 24 hour volume: 72528.04121071, 24 hour low: 41.02000, 24 hour high: 46.50000, 24 hour vwap: 44.30878
dub: jurov: around?
jurov: yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 18 @ 1.75 = 31.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72499 BTC [-]
BitHub: when is asicminer gon be worth 1btc?
BitHub: heh
jurov: sooner than litecoin?
jurov: dollar parity ftw
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.005237 = 0.0209 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.72705 / 0.749 (42 shares, 30.5 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.70519 / 1 (1171 shares, 825.8 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69325 / 1 (1495 shares, 1036.4 BTC)
bowjob: ltc going down
BitHub: oh no
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: totally forgot lol
mircea_popescu: $proxies VFfKqFB6
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: hey thisbotsadministrator :D
mircea_popescu: smickles ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, 241`819 option contracts traded so far this month.
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
FabianB_: $vwap S.MPOE
mpexbot: FabianB_: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'49', u'min': u'67334', u'max': u'76718', u'vsa': u'358259971660', u'vsh': u'4790992', u'avg': u'74777.8271515'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'3857', u'min': u'61614', u'max': u'78628', u'vsa': u'3217577150869', u'vsh': u'46464513', u'avg': u'69248.0549806'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
FabianB_: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074777 / 0.00076718 (4790992 shares, 3,582.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069248 / 0.00078628 (46464513 shares, 32,175.77 BTC)
mircea_popescu: amazing.
dub: mircea_popescu: dat maff
mircea_popescu: :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 190 @ 0.695 = 132.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.724 = 1.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d09f12925116f3363e8eae0ec8ade9aadb4f55879fa01bada13bab03
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00076706 = 3.8353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00569991 = 0.456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 220 @ 0.00599987 = 1.32 BTC [+]
jurov: $proxies abrbm3cp
mpexbot: jurov: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
jurov: just had to try
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: HAXXOER
mircea_popescu: $proxies http://pastebin.com/1KXGu3vS
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: hallo mrbotadmin sir. error got!
mircea_popescu: smickles ^
FabianB_: mpexbot: probably without the url part?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu i mean
mircea_popescu: that i tried last time
mircea_popescu: $proxies 1KXGu3vS
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: $proxies pastebin.com/1KXGu3vS
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
jurov: not a proper json, i daresay
mircea_popescu: wait
mircea_popescu: fuck lol
mircea_popescu: 1 sec
mircea_popescu: totally forgot the json part
mircea_popescu: $proxies qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: $proxies http://pastebin.com/qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: ugh
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
jurov: $proxies qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: jurov: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: that's valid innit ?!
jurov: $proxies
mpexbot: jurov: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
jurov: yes smickles did it thus
jurov: ;;slap mpexbot
jurov: owww
jurov: quite an innuendo we got there
mircea_popescu: you think anyone inserts ak47s ?
jurov: rule 34
mircea_popescu: lol
FabianB_: everyone busy watching 22 running behind a ball with nothing happening in 90 minutes?
mircea_popescu: nope. what's that, soccer ?
jurov: oh, i almost forgot while watching this botsex... now that i'm authed, i receive claims from people mentioned in http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-ddosed-an-epic/
jurov: ofc, depends how they are mentioned. some are eligible for s.mpoe, others for s.bvps or f.giga.etf
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
FabianB_: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
jcpham: irc channel metric matter
jcpham: re 1.3 mb logfile
jcpham: i'm quoted in that article
jcpham: jurov i need my shares
jurov: that's about 10-50 klod (kilolines of drama)
jcpham: PPS. Everyone named in this article for helping gets a block of 10`000 S.MPOE shares. Contact jurov to take possession.
jurov: jcpham, s.bvps or giga?
jcpham: giga
jcpham: if that's my choice
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
jurov: sorry jcpham, you should have come some months earlier. next.
jcpham: w/e
jcpham: false advertising
jcpham: scammer tags
dub: scam
mircea_popescu: jcpham if you read that shit...
dub: fuck
jcpham: dude my name is in there
mircea_popescu: how many people of the total 10bn read 100k words in a week ?
jcpham: nad i'm super helpful
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: just a little bitter.
jurov: yes. but s.bvps and f.giga.etf claims closed in October 2012
mircea_popescu: lol
dub: dude everyone who bothere to read that far into your novel should get shares
jcpham: i think so
jcpham: i read the whole thing
mircea_popescu: dub yes, but some get them anally
mircea_popescu: contact jurov for that too
jcpham: last sentence BONUS PRIZE FOR ME
dub: that is my preference anyway
mircea_popescu: match made in heaven
mircea_popescu: this is what i do
mircea_popescu: i solve problems
dub: ASS TO ASS
jcpham: jennifer connely
mircea_popescu: cum! cum!
jcpham: seriously though just add it to my bill
jurov: jcpham, 10k shares of asspride will do as a consolation prize?
jcpham: i know you are good for it
jurov: ...er... bitpride
mircea_popescu: i wish to take this opportunity and thank everyone present for acting so professionally
mircea_popescu: you are all buttpower rangers, just like luke.
jurov: duly noted
jcpham: sure tshirt shares will work
dub: thank you, we work hard to maintain the standard of trolling
jcpham: as long as it is free
mircea_popescu: without the backing of drama bitcoin might end up being useful
mircea_popescu: and thus worthless.
jcpham: i'll trade you 10k xrp for 10,000 shares of tulips
mircea_popescu: shit! i should have given out xrp
mircea_popescu: cheaper than with mpoe
jcpham: should start an ripple hedge fund
mircea_popescu: why did i not think of that! why does nobody think of ripple when they have a problem ripple could solve! o ye gods!
mircea_popescu: (i r hope pigeons be reading this)
jurov: who was that???
mircea_popescu: assbot.
jcpham: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/rob-rhinehart-no-longer-requires-food
jcpham: invest now in Soylent.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you figure it out or should I show you again :)
mircea_popescu: you should totally show me agaIN
smickles: sign: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/qU4hTtcP
smickles: and it's just the key to send to mpexbot
mircea_popescu: $proxies qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
smickles: hmm -_-
mircea_popescu: no but show me
mircea_popescu: why don'tcha show me :D
smickles: if that was your sig, it should've worked
smickles: $proxies
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: da fuck do you mean if
smickles: i haven't verified it :P
mircea_popescu: wtf is going on here 1 sec
smickles: $proxies qmLNVKpL
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: dude
mircea_popescu: for some reason gpg thinks it's a detached signature ?!
smickles: hmm, maybe i had the wrong keyid for you
mircea_popescu: no get a load of this
mircea_popescu: i gpg --clearsign "hi". works.
mircea_popescu: i gpg --clearsign that -> detached signature.
mircea_popescu: so gpg says.
smickles: my exact command:
smickles: echo -n '["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]'|gpg --clearsign
smickles: dude, mircea_popescu
smickles: look at your paste
smickles: you missed 3 leading '-'
mircea_popescu: o ffs
mircea_popescu: sigh.
smickles: lol
jurov: gpg can't get over these missing ---s? i thought that's their purpose
jurov: anyway, no love for ipv6? i'm looking into it for mpex.coinbr now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bob-s-daily-buzzword-bitcoin-EJ04CzJbQsKJ6CqAsDI_WA.html
jcpham: no QE in bitcoin
jurov: hm, mpex6.coinbr.com should work (ipv6 only) but someohow doesn't here
mircea_popescu: jurov i talked with my provider, and allow me to quote :
mircea_popescu: "The US datacenters we have dont support IPv6 or if they do it is very limited. The London DC does support IPv6 but cPanel and a lot of the other stuff on the server doesn't so those IPs they are able to give, are actually useless at this time."
mircea_popescu: im like... doods, forget it, move to romania already.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 28 @ 0.00579 = 0.1621 BTC [+]
deadweasel: we have an electrical grid that is about to shit the bed, ipv6 is not an upgrade priority
FabianB_: lol, cPanel can't handle ipv6?
jurov: can anyone confirm mpex6.coinbr.com works? looks like my tunnel is b0rkt
FabianB_: if i were at home and not in hotel..
jurov: i can ping, i can connect. but no reply from webserver
FabianB_: jurov: how about locally on the server?
FabianB_: like "curl ::1"
jurov: there it works. but amazon is not providing ipv6 end to end
jurov: i only provides ipv6 to ipv4 loadbalancer
FabianB_: ic
mircea_popescu: i dont see it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00194 = 0.0039 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah i tihnk you're really on ipv4
jurov: http://ipv6-test.com/validate.php passed, and detected nginx right
mircea_popescu: bah
mircea_popescu: it seems apparent we have some sort of ipv4 bridge or proxy or something in between
mircea_popescu: sorry j but i won't fiddle with routes and shit
jurov: heh... "mpex.co is down" , "yea i saw boss going to the closet"
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?!
dub: theres somethign called a chain block
dub: its essentially maff and fings
jurov: i got confirmed it works.. so it's just my ipv6 tunnel
jurov: so you can add it
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 29 @ 0.1 = 2.9 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1621729#msg1621729
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone has quick proof against point 1 there ?
jurov: this? 1) Without producing zero-day exploits
mircea_popescu: I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:
mircea_popescu: 1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem.
jurov: no proof. just that 0day happens independently from spec
deadweasel: also, it's just software. you ever seen 100% bug free software?
deadweasel: not me
mircea_popescu: yes, i have.
mircea_popescu: do you want to see some ?
benkay: deadweasel i imagine you see mostly pretty buggy software
mircea_popescu: this windows worldview is intolerable by now.
mircea_popescu: "o, we just shit in the code because really, who cares"
jurov: why do the girl (or/and you) insists going into such arguments? that's excellent the bait for taking the debate away from core points
deadweasel: benkay mayhab I did, mayhab I didn't
mircea_popescu: in this cause because wuille's lie needs to be excised.
jurov: arguing who did or did not solve anything brilliantly or ducttape
mircea_popescu: they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand.
mircea_popescu: and they need to understand that they are kinda dumb. i dunno why they've not got it this far, but...
mircea_popescu: it might be all the fanboism
jurov: yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential
mircea_popescu: it may be tangential technically. there are significant political concerns involved here.
mircea_popescu: let's just say the forum is not the github
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57499999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel <? echo "Hi this is 100% bug free"; ?>
mircea_popescu: let me know when yo ufind a bug.
deadweasel: how much are they paid?
mircea_popescu: if i fuck a girl and she sucks at it
mircea_popescu: and i tell her that and her response is that question
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: does this make me think she was actually any better than i originally thought ?
deadweasel: you've lost me
mircea_popescu: you take a girl out, right ?
deadweasel: i'm just curious how big the dev team is and what their budget is.
mircea_popescu: ah, i read an implication there.
mircea_popescu: the dev team is about six people (it does not include Luke-Jr, tho he keeps trying to pretend he's a dev)
jurov: i mean, what's the objective? getting devteam to admit their process sucks? then such argument misses the objective (albeit narrowly), cause it's aimed to people, not to process
mircea_popescu: they aren't paid, except for gavin, who is probably not paid anything much at all.
mircea_popescu: the foundation collected about half a million dollars which that conman from ycombinator controls
mircea_popescu: and will probably constitute the scamdrama of this summer.
mircea_popescu: jurov the objective is to illuminate the very rotten structure of their arguments.
jurov: i doubt this approach. you ought to decide whether you want to educate or get things done
jurov: not conflate it together
mircea_popescu: could this be extended to read "you ought to decide whether you want to run mpex, educate or get things done"?
jurov: whatever. as long as you know what ur doing
mircea_popescu: well, i hope i do and that's the best you can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: but if those who get things done don't educate, who will ? those who don't ? we;ve seen the results of that one heh.
smickles: so, it has come to this
jurov: those who will be left behind will educate themselves, as usual
mircea_popescu: smickles not quite so cut and dried yet,
smickles: this being 3:13 pm
smickles: ;D
mircea_popescu: i suspect past the original shock a good chunk of them ppl are actually reasonable in the head.
jurov: smickles, what?
smickles: jurov: what what?
jurov: that 3:13pm ... at least add the proxy, i confirmed t working via http://www.ipv6proxy.net/ , too
smickles: $proxies
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
jurov: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: can has ipv6
smickles: $proxies GPv6MV5E
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]
smickles: wait, did i just nix one of them?
smickles: oh what did i just do?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you resolved it by proxy ?
jurov: noooo ipv6proxy is just testing site
smickles: one sec
jurov: mpex6.coinbr.com is the business
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.75723, Best ask: 46.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19277, Last trade: 46.95000, 24 hour volume: 49142.94060722, 24 hour low: 43.75080, 24 hour high: 47.29500, 24 hour vwap: 46.23022
mircea_popescu: the calm. this is impossible
mircea_popescu: no 30% swings in a day ? waht sort of bitcoin is this!
jurov: someone click that $1m button quickly
smickles: $proxies DfwUaFTD
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]
smickles: !!!
jurov: facepalm
jurov: smickles, why not use the list i supplied?
mircea_popescu: smickles count the dashes baby
smickles: $proxies Dsc5KCB9
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
jurov: thanks!
smickles: jurov: i did, i messed up by pasting just the sig
mircea_popescu: :D
smickles: w/o the message
mircea_popescu: i feel better nao
mircea_popescu: deposits flushed btw
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.0
mircea_popescu: ajhaha
mircea_popescu: this guy lmao
benkay: what does that mean?
mircea_popescu: wannabe mpoe-pr, w/o the tits, w/o the spit&grit ?
mircea_popescu: benkay that.
benkay: what do you mean by "flushing deposits"?
mircea_popescu: a. mpex deposits and withdrawals are processed manually.
kakobrekla: he throws the coins in the toilet and flushes
mircea_popescu: that means a queue builds
kakobrekla: bye bye
mircea_popescu: ta-daa
benkay: i've always wondered why you do the deposits by hand
benkay: instead of depositor-unique receipt addresses
mircea_popescu: benkay there was exactly one bitcoin business unaffected by bitcoindev idiocy
mircea_popescu: guess which.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1 = 1.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: thats why withdrawals have been deprecated on mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hint : no, it wasn't those that trust them, like btc-guild.
benkay: i understand withdrawals.
mircea_popescu: you should understand deposits by the example i just gave.
benkay: are you talking about mpex deposits into customer addresses?
mircea_popescu: ...
smickles: benkay: manual withdrawals protect the customer, manual deposits protect mpex (maybe)
mircea_popescu: (sometimes)
benkay: i don't really get why incoming funds need to be processed by hand
jborkl: Lol, withdrawals have been deprecated
benkay: not trying to say you're doing it wrong. trying to understand why you do it the way you do.
mircea_popescu: but think, benkay. version .8 comes out. the chain is split
mircea_popescu: okpay gets a deposit in
mircea_popescu: it is then doubplespent on the other chain
mircea_popescu: the other chain inexplicably prevails
mircea_popescu: okpay is out 12k
benkay: >.<
smickles: ug, who's brilliant idea was it to have an installation video and skip the text version
benkay: thanks for thinking for me.
mircea_popescu: heh. yw.
mircea_popescu: smickles sounds like something godaddy would do.
benkay: different question, mp: why u no do depositor-unique addresses for mpex deposits?
smickles: I should do that and make a video of the text 'RTFM' with a link
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay what would be the benefit iyo ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [+]
benkay: not having to identify deposits by amount.
mircea_popescu: suppose evil person X makes a payment to mpex.
kakobrekla: ya but one key with large sum is way cooler!
mircea_popescu: mpex later pays out to innocent person y.
mircea_popescu: taint analysis idiots prosecute person y because clearly taint analysis proves he's x.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00599987 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00599987 = 0.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
smickles: all hail the romainians for protecting us from idiot juries
mircea_popescu: this is just an edge example, there's tons of others just as good really.
benkay: hm.
mircea_popescu: testing for inbound is a few degrees of magnitude easier with fixed address
benkay: so: nail me to the wall on this one, wouldja?
benkay: i've been thinking about generating completely unique receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: s/completely/moderately
mircea_popescu: eh
mircea_popescu: how's something moderately unique ?
benkay: they're all descended from the same keypair
mircea_popescu: a okay
benkay: quibble accepted
benkay: generating new receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: mostly for convenience on the backend
benkay: doesn't address blockchain forking, granted.
mircea_popescu: stop worring and just explain the idea
benkay: oh
benkay: customer hits funding page
benkay: new address generates
benkay: sends funds
benkay: we tie address to user account
benkay: wait for confirmations on spend to new address
benkay: credit account
mircea_popescu: you are vulnerable to a particularly nasty dos attack
mircea_popescu: i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet to 5gb
benkay: *nod*
mircea_popescu: as we know, devteam hasn't mastered the mysteries of configuring berkley
mircea_popescu: i on the other hand haven't mastered the mysteries of spelling berkeley
mircea_popescu: benkay but anyway, that's how bitbet does it.
smickles: ha! you make spelling errors too!
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's fundamentally evil or anything.
mircea_popescu: wnrog smiglez
kakobrekla: well you limit the damage
kakobrekla: that can be caused
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 500 @ 0.07993896 = 39.9695 BTC [-]
benkay: is it necessarily true that the wallet has to bloat?
benkay: can't you spend from the master key?
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152747.0
benkay: jonathan assia also says interesting things on the bitcoinx dev list
midnightmagic: the dev team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind
mircea_popescu: you have to keep the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in
mircea_popescu: for as long as you keep the btc there
dub: dont people tend to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his type of thing?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic may i direct you to bitcoin.orgh
mircea_popescu: dub yes.
benkay: ah, so that's how it works today.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Whatever it says there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into the codebase.
benkay: what i really want is bip0032 addresses
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get to change things just by power of friendship which is magic.
mircea_popescu: lukejr would love to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're talking about now.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, it comes in time.
mircea_popescu: most people need about six months.
midnightmagic: even the stuff he does that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for the stuff that does.
mircea_popescu: his overall impact on bitcoin is net negative.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you considered the possibility that he himself is not interested in being listed on bitcoin.org ?
mircea_popescu: and if you don't like hearing it from me, ask gavin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pretty cool.
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.msg1621918#msg1621918 still repeating the "unfunded opensource project" mantra
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.565 = 1.13 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: "give us more money so coinlab can float it on top of whatever it gets from users"
mircea_popescu: "but we can't finance anything useful because bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wouldn't deign jgarzik's crossposted crap with much attention.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and talk.
mircea_popescu: this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring them more asskicking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5500001 = 2.2 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered the possibility that, if you want to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective than more?
mircea_popescu: have you ever reviewed my record ?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bet much on the future of anyone that thinks they can stand up to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote.
midnightmagic: This is a people issue I bring up, not a by-rights issue. Are you actually interested in persuasion, or just in ranting angrily because.. why?
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in persuasion.
mircea_popescu: i am interested in splitting any group into two, the sensible and the worthless
mircea_popescu: and then crushing the worthless.
midnightmagic: Then what is your purpose? Division?
mircea_popescu: if people have enough sense, they'll persuade themselves.
smickles: wtf captcha!
smickles: i just filled out a captcha, got it wrong
smickles: the next one says "almost sucker"
dub: you are clearly not human
mircea_popescu: smickles it's why i never do that, fucking hell i get them wrong half the time
midnightmagic: Reasonable humans will be turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths?
midnightmagic: Much of what you're saying is precisely what the microcash guy was saying.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
dub: and since there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev...
mircea_popescu: dub there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people there
jurov: midnightmagic can you name some of the angry raging psychopaths that were attracted to mp?
mircea_popescu: who sat on an unconfigured db setup for 4 years
mircea_popescu: very fucking reasonable.
mircea_popescu: jurov lukejr!
midnightmagic: jurov: I have seen this happen before with RealSolid.
mircea_popescu: nowait!
mircea_popescu: i mean eskimoblob! ciuciu! etc!
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you should at some point consider that the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens than actual object of observation.
jurov: lol my question was understood the other and third way around
mircea_popescu: similarities are by definition subject to this suspicion.
midnightmagic: So build the alternative already. Hire the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you think are so cheap and visionless on their own. If you think this alternative will win, build it and let it win.
mircea_popescu: why exactly do you feel the need to advise ?
midnightmagic: Why exactly do you feel the need to divide?
mircea_popescu: "you people fucked up" "please stop telling us we fucked up because :
mircea_popescu: 1. it is not nice
mircea_popescu: 2. you shouldn't be telling us this
mircea_popescu: 3. you should be doing somerthing else
mircea_popescu: 4. yo momma
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: you call this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on the eyes than the average shaved donkey butt
benkay: project managers
midnightmagic: Since when did I call the bitcoin devs reasonable?
benkay: burn with fire
mircea_popescu: so what's your argument ?
midnightmagic: I said, "reasonable humans will be turned off..."
midnightmagic: Obviously the devs themselves aren't going to bother participating in your alternative.
mircea_popescu: who, specifically ?
midnightmagic: Whoever it is you think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful.
midnightmagic: Presumably *not* insane psychopaths.
mircea_popescu: you are telling me about the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other than by reference to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't this be by definition something i'd know better than you then ?
midnightmagic: You are the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are the one who defined it.
mircea_popescu: and i am not dividing bitcoin, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: no, i made no such claim.
midnightmagic: Again, the difference here is that I am actually trying to communicate, and you are trying to be contradictory.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is NOT the group of idiots that identify with it
midnightmagic: 15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin is not divisible.
midnightmagic: ^^ What's that then?
mircea_popescu: what i am doing is i am dividing the group of bitcoin supporters, by taking away bitcoin.
midnightmagic: .. from the current developers, presumably?
mircea_popescu: the reasonable will follow. the "they think are reasonable" will continue in the sort of fanboish obscurity they enjoy.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no developers atm, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: just some kids drowning in code.
mircea_popescu: they're kids because their window to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed.
mircea_popescu: they're drowning in code for quite obvious reasons i won't rehash.
midnightmagic: And users who "support" them. Including the biggest exchange, most of the smaller exchanges, the major developers, the cryptographers who review the work done, the pools who secure the blockchain, and the hardware builders springing up to do so who have already made strong ties with the *current* development team.
mircea_popescu: the "biggest exchange" is written in php,
mircea_popescu: had 500 second lag during a light trade day
mircea_popescu: and just gave its us market away to a patent scam.
mircea_popescu: tyvm. the approximate sum value of your list is epslion.
midnightmagic: So is Facebook, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome to stick with facebook.
mircea_popescu: i'll go with bitcoin.
midnightmagic: I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no true scotsman"
mircea_popescu: and if you think the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in the raging psychopath group yourself.
mircea_popescu: what has the successful attack recently demonstrated ?
kakobrekla: that btc is headless
midnightmagic: Lots of things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of the whole you are referring to.
mircea_popescu: yaya. mkay.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i note you picked the stylistical out of that list. do address the lag and the other point sometime.
midnightmagic: I'm not going to defend the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination.. to rant and attack so endlessly.
benkay: you might want to read polimedia
mircea_popescu: my motivation is to state the truth.
benkay: you know
benkay: do some research
midnightmagic: benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.
kakobrekla: trilema needs .edu domain
mircea_popescu: moar like .xxx
benkay: if you're being sarcastic, I don't parse sarcasm online.
kakobrekla: eudxxx
mircea_popescu: .edu is for things that don't change anything.
mircea_popescu: eduxxx ftw!
midnightmagic: benkay: <sarcasm>How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.</sarcasm>
benkay: ah
mircea_popescu: someone should make htsp and then have inane specifications
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Look, I'm telling you dude. The more you rant, the more you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view.
benkay: midnightmagic: have you read polimedia?
mircea_popescu: no dude. you are telling me that some vanitous idiots would like the benefit of claiming we're friends
mircea_popescu: but witout having to put in any work.
mircea_popescu: thing is... i couldn't care less about this.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You don't have to be friends with someone to engage in civil discourse.
mircea_popescu: i am engaging in very civil discourse,.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that some people ran off with their c++ hairball implementation of what they call civil discourse
mircea_popescu: i never got the spec and i never started caring.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in the Badge: "I tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits thereby."
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring those people.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic read bitcoin-dev sometime. it's chockfull.
midnightmagic: It is for those exact reasons why the need is great for heterogency in client implementations. Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it.
mircea_popescu: i am not creating any implementation
mircea_popescu: jesus fucking christ! dude! SPECIFICATION FIRST
mircea_popescu: what the hell is wrong with everybody
midnightmagic: Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec.
midnightmagic: That's part of what a devteam does.
mircea_popescu: more's the point, can you read c++ ?
midnightmagic: Can I?
mircea_popescu: i am asking.
midnightmagic: Yes.
mircea_popescu: do you want to summarize bitcoin code ?
midnightmagic: As you are so fond of saying, hire the braindead monkeys who can do it *for* you for the peanuts you say they're worth, and have them do it.
mircea_popescu: so i'm takingthat as a sort of up and down and all about no.
midnightmagic: I am not interested in working on that project, if you are offering me a job.
mircea_popescu: so then what are we talkin' about.
mircea_popescu: you just bored at work or something ?
midnightmagic: Are you?
mircea_popescu: sigh. mkay.
midnightmagic: I know you have trouble when people talk back to you and all, but geez man. At a certain point, don't let the concorde fallacy trap you into pursuing a dead end.
jurov: midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes?
jurov: monkeys?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 100 @ 0.03402633 = 3.4026 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: jurov: I'm not. He says so all the time. Perhaps you should take benkay's advice.
jurov: midnightmagic you revealed your gaping incompetence in this area then
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i have trouble when people talk back ?!
mircea_popescu: seriously midnightmagic, i think you're abstracting your past history of interaction with who knows who and painting it on me.
midnightmagic: jurov: Still the rhetorical master I see.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know we've never met.
jurov: midnightmagic, I still lack concrete examples. Names.
jurov: Either the "reaging idiots" who supposedly are attracted to mp
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're getting at.
mircea_popescu: i am getting at this :
jurov: Or the "reasonable people" that would be supportng him "if..."
mircea_popescu: if you spend your childhood living among white people, abnd being told niggers are to be identified by x y z and they do k l m things,
midnightmagic: jurov: Your English still needs work. My verb tense in context was indicative of that-which-happens-from-here-on.
mircea_popescu: you are bound to misbehave wehn confronted with actual black people.
midnightmagic: jurov: I dunno actual names. It's irrelevant to the point.
kakobrekla: O_o
mircea_popescu: just so, it'd seem to me, you've been told how to identify independent thought, and what great evil it is, and now when you discover it in the actual world you immediately jump to the conclusion tis evil.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: O.o?
jurov: midnightmagic, so there was not the case in the past? what is the problem then?
mircea_popescu: tis not evil.
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: hello. I hope all my statements including you were correctly inferenced as rhetorical device and not assertions of fact.
mircea_popescu: lmao
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I am not afraid to be civil. Why are you?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: you know, girl wants to get married. after tears have washed pointlessly about the room, her new line becomes "why are you affraid of commitment"
mircea_popescu: i'm not affraid of commitment bitch. i just don't care for your definition of it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I assert you are, have been, and will likely continue to be uncivil and discourteous.
mircea_popescu: being civil is not a formal concern. it does NOT mean not calling people idiots. if indeed they are idiots then that's that, verity proof.
mircea_popescu: beingcivil is a fundamental concern.
mircea_popescu: people who lie by presenting the mining corruption as "consensus", they are being uncivil.
mircea_popescu: and on a related point, you don't go to heaven by never saying "jesus sucks" etiher.
benkay: what do you mean by "mining corruption"?
midnightmagic: That is an English definitional nuance which you are assuming, but which is not reality.
mircea_popescu: benkay do you know how the most recent fork was resolved ?
benkay: sort of; devs said "use 0.7" and everyone did
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that dispute as to reality will have to come to my grave.
mircea_popescu: benkay what more do you need ?
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem I guess.
mircea_popescu: stalin said "everyone vote" and evertyone did. what democratic process is this ?
benkay: heh
mircea_popescu: well ?
benkay: how many times do you think they can pull it off?
mircea_popescu: but ok, i can understand it happening.
benkay: 1?
benkay: infinity?
mircea_popescu: i CANT uinderstand it being passed for what it's not
mircea_popescu: in an ultimately doomed effort to prop the dirt as respectable.
benkay: that's just politics though
midnightmagic: Gah.. dude.. your weird sayings aren't translating so well.
mircea_popescu: well that's unfortunate for them because i happen to be better at politics than they're at coding.
mircea_popescu: benkay anyway the effort is to make sure it's 1.
benkay: i say < 3
benkay: no
benkay: less than or equal to
mircea_popescu: or better yet 5
mircea_popescu: 19
mircea_popescu: 42.
mircea_popescu: definitely.
benkay: not saying should
benkay: but offering a wager
mircea_popescu: i get it.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I didn't understand the context :P
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I was just asserting that the amount of work you do in bitcoind essentially makes you a bitcoin developer, even if your name isn't on bitcoin.org.
BitHub: hey guys did you get your ASICMINER div as well?
jurov: Luke-Jr: don't sweat, me too, he sounds serious but in the end it's all just hypothetical
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr he's somehow bothered with everyone mocking you for trying your damnest to pass yourself off as a dev
mircea_popescu: when you're a sort of glorified taaki
mircea_popescu: ie, the floor washer.
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I also proffered the possibility you didn't want your name up there on purpose, to outline our collective ignorance.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I got that, but .. why did it matter? XD
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I dunno why he started ranting about you. But he gets upset when I don't address each of his points individually.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I don't see it as something worth my time arguing a case for.
benkay: has anything in this conversation?
Luke-Jr: in other news https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/sensemaster/91-blog-entry-deleting-o-o.html
Luke-Jr: err
Luke-Jr: wrong link XD
Luke-Jr: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/97-preparing-my-trip-bfl.html
mircea_popescu: glwt.
BitHub: ahhh Luke, going there to pick it up?
BitHub: excited?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: not sure if I'll pick it up or let them ship it
Luke-Jr: although I guess they might be expecting me to take it with me
mircea_popescu: actually just the time to get a box of fans.
BitHub: are you kind of going there to confirm it all?
dub: heh
BitHub: so you'll pretty much be teh first person with a bfl?
mircea_popescu: this will be so epic
dub: BitHub: yes re: AM div btw (sorry for the on-topic interlude people)
BitHub: nice dubs
BitHub: this weeks seemed the highest yet
dub: yeah, enjoy, next week is the last
BitHub: what?
dub: of this magnitude
mircea_popescu: ya wut ?
BitHub: WHAT?
BitHub: serial?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm mainly going there to make sure BFGMiner is ready to go (shipping on the MiniRigs)
BitHub: nice
dub: catfriedrice said next weeks will fullfil the 'pay out 0.1 first' requirement, which seems about right, so next divs will be half less more expenses
BitHub: ahh ghey
BitHub: good time to sell then
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.70412 / 0.724998 (285 shares, 200.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71126 / 1 (1286 shares, 914.7 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6947 / 1 (1763 shares, 1224.8 BTC)
mircea_popescu: such a blown stock.
benkay: i know that and i'm not even holding any
BitHub: hmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.03383499 = 33.835 BTC [-]
benkay: in other news, loud black humans in snack car
benkay: ruin my train trip why doncha
benkay: PLUS COUNTRY
benkay: sheesh.
mircea_popescu: i like country.
benkay: which?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, cash
dub: duelling banjos
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+]
BitHub: willie nelson?
mircea_popescu: turkey in the straw if you count it
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i've listened to much of that guy.
sevenWiabores: hello
BitHub: he blazes alot
mircea_popescu: sevenWiabores hi
benkay: ^^ very important information
benkay: ;)
BitHub: haha
sevenWiabores: who are you mircea_popescu, your nick sounds very familiar
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.721337 = 3.6067 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i am mircea popescu. how about you ?
benkay: (to finish that story, the best part was the really uptight black guy staring at the loud negroes)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 500 @ 0.0453858 = 22.6929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
benkay: (i just told them i could block out high dB convserations or music but not both)
mircea_popescu: ok willie nelson kinda sucks,.
dub: continuing the wtfality of bitcoin asset universe
mircea_popescu: or at least his cover of blue eyes cryin'
dub: doom projected for AM profits in varios places == increased demand
mircea_popescu: benkay lol why so passive-agressive
sevenWiabores: I am just nobody, but I am pretty sure I saw your name somewhere... I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not familiar with the who's who
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724869 = 2.1746 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dub this is becominga tradition.
benkay: hardly passive aggressive for the pacnw
jurov: gonna organize am shorting
jurov: in fact i didn't list anything new on bitfunder for some time
mircea_popescu: sevenWiabores i run mpex.
benkay: spent much time in this corner of the us, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: alternatively, some people don't like me. they run things into the ground.
dub: jurov: can you convince Ukto to make it render in firefox?
mircea_popescu: benkay which corner is that ?
sevenWiabores: aah, I see. ohai :)
benkay: northwest
dub: jurov: buttfunder that is
mircea_popescu: sure, i lived like a year in lowell, mass
jurov: dub, you mean misplaced buy/sell boxes?
Ukto: make what render?
dub: make the market link visible
LameCoin-: mircea are you from romania or US your english is american?
mircea_popescu: o nm, you said west.
Ukto: where is it not visible?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00599987 = 0.912 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- im from romania, but i've lived all over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00599987 = 0.48 BTC [+]
dub: on the front page
LameCoin-: mircea where did you like it best
mircea_popescu: costa rica, probably.
LameCoin-: a friend of mine is from timisoara
mircea_popescu: land of eternal spring.
Ukto: dub: hm. you dont see it in the top left?
mircea_popescu: it does get boring, but very slowly.
dub: Ukto: sometimes I do
Ukto: 'View asset market'
Ukto: sometimes?
Ukto: what browser?
dub: Ukto: depends on teh machine/browser im on
mircea_popescu: dub this is like the most halpful bug reporting ever
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.72489 = 21.7467 BTC [+]
dub: ff is the failing one
dub: well its been reported before
mircea_popescu: how do you know lol
Ukto: what version? I hadnt seen it lol
benkay: mircea_popescu: why did you choose to live in romania?
Ukto: 17.0.1 works fine
LameCoin-: for the women
mircea_popescu: back in 2007 it became obvious the us is sinking. didn't want to be on that part of the world. had to go somewhere.
jurov: Ukto if you resize the width to around 1000-1100px
LameCoin-: timisoara is nice its different then the rest of romania
jurov: the view asset bar hides
Ukto: ahhhh
Ukto: i see that
dub: 19 here, pretty sure it was broke in some previous, goat was having problems a few days ago too
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's closer to vienna than bucharest indeed.
Ukto: yeah, i will get it fixed.
Ukto: thanks guys
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72489 = 1.4498 BTC [+]
Ukto: oh, i see why
Ukto: the top bar spans 2 lines and covers it
mircea_popescu: BDB bug ?
LameCoin-: mircea: do you think that fork could have been the end of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- that fork itself could have festered if anyone ddosed the attacking pool.
mircea_popescu: but not really. the burried problems that caused the fork however most definitely will end btcoin if unadressed.
LameCoin-: i really dont like these alternates like litecoin inflating the money supply
mircea_popescu: you will have to learn to live with competition.
mircea_popescu: it's as unavoidable as rain.
benkay: i'm not even convinced we've converged on a codebase
mircea_popescu: certainly are not.
mircea_popescu: just the butthurt when somebody finally says, wait, you think you people matter ?!
mircea_popescu: is ample proof this wasn't even seriously considered, let alone settled.
LameCoin-: the development team became to obsessed thinking they are economists and philosophers
LameCoin-: nerds should never be given any type of authority
mircea_popescu: when they're barely qualified to write code. but anyway :
Ukto: hm, i think I will just move terms and conditions to the footer
mircea_popescu: preparing for the "too big to fail" arguments, it'll be a warm summer.
Ukto: its wasting too much space
LameCoin-: mircea what do you mean?
BitHub: some of these guys aren't qualified?
BitHub: kind of like getting the airport janitor to fly the plane no?
benkay: oh be nice
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i mean that's what's coming next, "guise our shit has taken too much blood sweat and tears to be abandoned and we should forever wallow in it"
benkay: turbine blade engineer
benkay: still should not fly plane.
LameCoin-: are you suggesting they wont repair the problems?
mircea_popescu: that's what midnightmagic means by concorde fallacy : the mistaken idea that the current codebase is useful because it cost people a lot of money through all the bugs it pushed on them so far.
LameCoin-: why cant someone else develop it?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- they would if they could. so far their consensus seems to be they're not smart enough to do it.
Bowjob: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/
Bowjob: True story ^.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i learned about it when it was 15. bought like 1k worth
BitHub: maybe everyone should pitch in a lil btc to pay teh pros
mircea_popescu: then it was 2 for a while.
Bowjob: I told my friend about it
LameCoin-: bowjob: nobody ever buys bottoms
Bowjob: now he's like.. can I buy $300 worth?
LameCoin-: bowjob: less then 0.1% of bitcoiners actually held coins from $2 to $50
Bowjob: I'm like.. no. I can sell you $100
Bowjob: well
midnightmagic: It is applicable to that idea, were it true, yes.
Bowjob: it would be nice if you missed all the crashing
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- got a figure ?
Bowjob: This was when BTC started from 13 to 50 rally
Bowjob: it was 17 when i mentioned it
LameCoin-: mircea it works the same for any bull market, 1983-2000 dow jones 75% of the public didnt even participate one bit
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic do you have the figure for "how much unencrypted wallet.dat" cost ?
LameCoin-: everyone got in 1999
Ukto: dub: there, problem fixed
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- this is true. i'm just saying, i think a lot more people held btc than .1%
LameCoin-: from $2-50 ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Do you have the figure for how much the encrypted wallet.dat has cost?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- yes.
dub: Ukto: <3
LameCoin-: i doubt it go read on bitcoin talk how many sold out after 20-30% gains hoping to buy back in
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic sadly power-ranger team has not the time to do any auditing or reporting, so no.
LameCoin-: the 10-20 move everyone sold
Bowjob: Theres this dude who forgot he had a wallet.dat with lots of coins
mircea_popescu: Bowjob you mean bitcoinica ?
Ukto: I was tired of seeing that link up there anyways.
jurov: Ukto, did you test it in chrome?
Bowjob: nah, it was a single person
Bowjob: he gave away 350 BTC to reddit users
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- do you mean .1% by headcount or by coincount ?
Bowjob: i got 5 btc from that stash
Ukto: jurov: just did
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Always the insults. And how does derogatory statements that are purely derogatory fit under the "telling the truth" umbrella you were espousing earlier?
Bowjob: i assume he had thosands
jurov: in konqueror+webkit it still does hide
Ukto: is the terms still at the top ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic point of fact is, the only way we know how much implementing it cost is by devteam saying "we spent 5 hours doing this"
jurov: but that's fringe browser, never mind
jurov: no term si on bottom
Ukto: but it acts the same? 0,o
Ukto: i will try to check it a bit later
LameCoin-: mircea: from my studies of markets, it is very very rare that anyone participates in a huge move
Ukto: have to get konqueror
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Were you referring to how many bitcoins were lost due to a wallet being easily stolen by a hacker?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- markets in general or bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes.
Ukto: either way, thanks for letting me know guys. mucho appreciato. :)
mircea_popescu: lol appreciato
LameCoin-: mircea: considering herding applies to all markets, even bitcoin just go read how many missed the boat on the latest rally over on the forums its astonishing
mircea_popescu: donde esta la zapatoria!
jurov: Ukto, just get webkit anything, like chromium. konqueror pulls half of kde in.
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's a weak supposition this, linear generalisation from fiat to bitcoin markets. we're still working at getting the hang of this
LameCoin-: how many in here rode bitcoin from $2 to 50
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of paradoxical movement (dub was referring one of the more documented types recentyl)
LameCoin-: or even 10 to 50
mircea_popescu: i held over 10k from 2 to 50.
mircea_popescu: significantly over 10k.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: So tell me after all these months of vitriol.. how successful have you been at dividing bitcoin into "actual reasonable people" and "worthless" people?
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact i'm not the only one.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic months ?!
mircea_popescu: fork was yesterday dawg.
LameCoin-: mircea if you take a poll of channel you will find it to be a small %
midnightmagic: You've been hating on the devs for far longer than that.
mircea_popescu: have not. quote.
midnightmagic: Uh. Okay.
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: well he has a point, the devs have turned into economists and politicians, they are suppose to be coders
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: nerds love to give themselves excessive credit when they percieve something going their way
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i know at least a coupla people here who held, so it'd be above 1% for sure :)
midnightmagic: LameCoin-: I have no idea how you'd even show that without your hypothesis instantly falling to contradiction.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you still got any coins minted a year or two ago ?
LameCoin-: mircea: what type of market cap are you realstically expecting for bitcoin
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Continue as though I do.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2 / 119
gribble: 0.0168067226891
mircea_popescu: there lamecoin, 1.6%
midnightmagic: 1.7..
mircea_popescu: im generous, give him his .1% :p
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- re the mkt cap :
mircea_popescu: ;;google flexibility inflexibility trilema
gribble: Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/voluntary-contracts-after-a-while/>; "bernanke put" and the fed's trilemma - Pragmatic Capitalism: <http://pragcap.com/bernank-put>; External factors and Philippine monetary policy - Bank for ...: <http://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap57s.pdf>
mircea_popescu: the bah
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
mircea_popescu: i'd better start remembering at least the motherfucking titles.
LameCoin-: 14k per coin is enough to support a 50 trillion dollar global economy assuming everyone uses nothing but bitcoin
LameCoin-: so we can assume thousands per coin are not really realistic
mircea_popescu: ...
dub: LameCoin-: remember we can divide the coins further
LameCoin-: the current world has a base money supply of about 4 trillion
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- notional derivative trade is literally boundless.
LameCoin-: thats not money
jurov: dub, that could end up akin to "oh we can add some bits to internet address later"
mircea_popescu: if it settles in bitcoin it doesn't even matter if the world uses zimbabwe dollars.
mircea_popescu: jurov it definitely will,
mircea_popescu: but that's a minor point comparing to the other hairs sticking out of the code
dub: jurov: it'd require a fork yea
dub: one would hope it isnt going to require as many forlifts as your example
LameCoin-: the balance of macroeconomic power will never shift from the west in our lifetime
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's shifted already, forget it.
mircea_popescu: "the west" is a bit player.
LameCoin-: mircea: how so? can you name any innovations/products you actually use from the east?
mircea_popescu: products are not the point. you were discussing macroeconomy.
dub: forklifts*
BitHub: rice
LameCoin-: the east has nothing to offer to be honest
mircea_popescu: to you.
mircea_popescu: the problem seems to be you're mingling a lot of assumptions crafted for comfort into your estimations.
LameCoin-: china with 1.6billion people has *0* worldwide brands
LameCoin-: the only ones they have were purchased from the west ie lenovo
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- because by "worldwide" you count a pool of 2-300mn people nobody cares abnout.
BitHub: who needs brands when ya making money
mircea_popescu: fact is, the us has zero worldwide brands in the sense that china has baidu and doesn't care about google.
LameCoin-: bithub but they arent making money
LameCoin-: most asian companies have aweful ROI
mircea_popescu: o boy.
BitHub: is that why they own most of usa's debt?
mircea_popescu: dude. macroeconomy! balance of trade!
LameCoin-: bithub: thats because they recycle it through debasement of their own currency
mircea_popescu: 0.0
LameCoin-: mircea: the balance of trade in the EU is positive.
BitHub: west isn't even using m-wallets or m-commerce yet
mircea_popescu: the stakes just got too high for my blood in this convo.
LameCoin-: the US balance of trade is mostly energy
LameCoin-: asians are running modern day versions of mercantalism
LameCoin-: they think the way to prosperity is subsidizing exports in order to accumulate intrinsically worthless dollars
BitHub: don't hate
LameCoin-: read what happend to the british when they believed in mercantalism
BitHub: we're making money over ere
LameCoin-: once again, most asians firms have absolutely aweful ROI's
BitHub: asia baby
BitHub: buying up usa's debt
LameCoin-: if the balance of power was shifting to the east we would all be using asian brands and praising asian innovations
LameCoin-: none of that is occuring
mircea_popescu: every item you currently use was made in asia.
LameCoin-: only low end manufacturing comes out of china
mircea_popescu: your asian cultural masters slapped an american looking label on it
LameCoin-: mircea: wrong, only the lowest tech
mircea_popescu: and you're superficial enough for that to work.
BitHub: haha
LameCoin-: the largest exporter in the world per capita is actually germany
BitHub: its true, its a good trick
mircea_popescu: even when it came to it, asian firms delivered mining asics
mircea_popescu: american firms are still suckingtheir thumb.
LameCoin-: they didnt innovate them
LameCoin-: they only were capable of producing them
BitHub: but they delivered them
BitHub: what's blf doing again?
Bowjob: not shipping
LameCoin-: because they have low end manufacturing capability
BitHub: asking for more money?
LameCoin-: put it this way
LameCoin-: when mercedes builds a 100k vehicle in a day
LameCoin-: an asian manufacturer has to produce a months worth+ of low end trinkets
LameCoin-: to exchange for the good
LameCoin-: asian productivity is extremely low
mircea_popescu: dude. srsly.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is mined on asian designed, asian produced, asian delivered asics.
mircea_popescu: forget it already, you're running with a dead horse.
BitHub: mtgox is in asia now btw
BitHub: lulz
LameCoin-: yea japan
mircea_popescu: inb4 "japan is really just further west"
LameCoin-: japans entire manufacturing infrastructure was developed from western instruction after WW2
BitHub: nah i dont really care i love both the west and asia
LameCoin-: they just excell at implementation
LameCoin-: again 0 innovation
mircea_popescu: sigh.
BitHub: they both got great girls
LameCoin-: name a product innovated from japan?
Bowjob: anime
Bowjob: sushi
BitHub: fuji
mircea_popescu: "it's not a worldwide brand"
Bowjob: gundams
BitHub: bukakke
LameCoin-: all electronics were EU tech, that the japanese perfected
Bowjob: bukakke noodles are delicious
mircea_popescu: pasty-ass kids just jack off to it that's all.
BitHub: used ladies panty vending machines
Bowjob: ps1,2,3, and 4
Bowjob: yeah i forgot about that
BitHub: handjob machine
Bowjob: live sushi
BitHub: the shaw brothers
Bowjob: where they serve live fish
mircea_popescu: Bowjob sony is not a global brand stfu
LameCoin-: as i stated before, if asians were going to rule we would be in awe at all the asian brands\innovations around us
BitHub: kill bill
Bowjob: lol
LameCoin-: fact is none of them exist
BitHub: you're just racist LameCoin
BitHub: jealous of asia or something
mircea_popescu: more like ostrichist
dub: asia survive with brute force, they add little value overwall
LameCoin-: im just stating its a myth that the east is taking anything over
Bowjob: they invented engrish as well
LameCoin-: dub: exactly
mircea_popescu: dub typical scotsman argument.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying mpex doesn't add value because css.
mircea_popescu: things don't work that way, you don't get to define what value is.
BitHub: its like saying the scottish and welsh and irish add no value to britian
LameCoin-: the only value asia added was providing cheap manufacturing facilities
dub: all of these tech innovators you ascribe have higher suicide rates in their sweatshops than american unemployment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.75 = 10.5 BTC [+]
LameCoin-: there are no tech innovators coming out of asia
dub: it will cease to scale at some point
mircea_popescu: dub and maybe that's a good thing.
LameCoin-: its only primitive manufacturing
LameCoin-: they dont even have the capacity for advanced manufacturing ie germany style
mircea_popescu: dude omfg stop with the bs already
mircea_popescu: all harddrives in the world are made in the same azn river bank
LameCoin-: how is it bs?
mircea_popescu: when that floods the price doubles.
LameCoin-: yea and?
mircea_popescu: all memory is made there. all semiconductors are produced in asia
LameCoin-: putting a HD together is LOW end manufacturing
mircea_popescu: you're from a different future.
BitHub: who needs to innvoate when you can rip everything off
dub: thats edge case shit, they produce tech because we did the maff and worked out it was cheaper to let them do it
BitHub: isn't that what Hollywood did to John WOO?
mircea_popescu: myea.
mircea_popescu: the first step to own your master is copy him.
mircea_popescu: Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138919.0
BitHub: every good 90's action hollywood film wouldn't exists if they didn't rip off HK cinema
mircea_popescu: coingenuity https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152658.0
mircea_popescu: are you like, being attacked or something ?
BitHub: yeah till 97
BitHub: i remember
BitHub: and the west offers shitty products you don't need?
BitHub: like shake weight
dub: like spray on cheese and tube fish
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
Ukto: thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+]
Namworld: [20:52] <LameCoin-> i think the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is inflation of money supply through many pointless forks being created
Namworld: what do you mean? There's many forks and they're mostly valueless
kakobrekla: > trusted BitcoinTalk member < theres such thing??
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i trust people on there to deliver prime comedy
kakobrekla: man you always know how to short it.
dub: a_meteorite: because bitcoin
dub: what teh fuck
dub: LameCoin-: ^
dub: LameCoin-: because bitcoin idiots (perhaps more dconcise)
dub: I swear my typing really isnt this bad, make way less errors on local terminals, im blaming synergy
mircea_popescu: blame sensodyne integrated node.
dub: I'd blame the corporate notwork except it happens at home too
dub: because they got their bitcoin selling guns on SR
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110910892487 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 900 @ 0.03297065 = 29.6736 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: this one is going nice too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152784.msg1622255;topicseen#msg1622255
kakobrekla: no more margin on 1broker, icbit it lost in space
mircea_popescu: Actually there is a closing trade fee now for April and later contracts!
mircea_popescu: They added that in an attempt to force people out of their positions rather than just sitting on them; they claim it'll aid liquidity. Greedy.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: basically... they fixed the site to stop cheating after i slapped them last year
mircea_popescu: but tht didn't make much money
mircea_popescu: so...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7999 = 8.9995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.8 = 5.4 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: while bit4x traded over 50mio units on fx :p
kakobrekla: its gonna get a lot wilder with dbtc
mircea_popescu: what's that, 5mn usd notional ?
kakobrekla: hm id have to check dat
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.72489 = 11.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.724999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.724999 = 4.35 BTC [+]
jborkl: so asicminer market cap is approx 13 million usd.:(
BitHub: is that bad?
BitHub: should i sell?
jborkl: didnt we already see that show ,didnt it start with g and end with a s
kakobrekla: gas?
jborkl: reruns are kinda boring
BitHub: good times?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.725 = 15.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.7679 = 22.2691 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7679 = 1.5358 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7679 = 17.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.768 = 3.84 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer.pt
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.03104, Best ask: 47.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14896, Last trade: 47.18000, 24 hour volume: 49293.76971465, 24 hour low: 44.80000, 24 hour high: 47.35000, 24 hour vwap: 46.58184
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.7171 / 0.768 (437 shares, 313.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71809 / 1 (1361 shares, 977.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69841 / 1 (1915 shares, 1337.4 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 46.58184 * 400000* 0.69841
gribble: 13013289.1498
mircea_popescu: 13 on the dot!
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00515 / 0.00597371 / 0.00599987 (976 shares, 5.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00526468 / 0.006 (140672 shares, 740.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613969 / 0.0069 (2440740 shares, 14,985.40 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 46.58184 *100000000 * 0.00613969
gribble: 28599805.723
mircea_popescu: moar!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7679 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.769999 = 6.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.77 = 10.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.77 = 15.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 60 @ 0.2599 = 15.594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.
mircea_popescu: le lol.
BitHub: fuck mircea
BitHub: i think they decided to give up on google and apple
BitHub: and just go after the citazens again and get their taxes
mircea_popescu: yawell
BitHub: alot of USD bitcoiners about to get fucked
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.04438197 = 44.382 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: heh I guess asicminer is going weekly dividends
BitHub: some of these companies its hardly worth risking 50btc every month to get a lil div.
Diablo-D3: BitHub: asicminer is the only company I'm really trusting atm
BitHub: want to buy some more of their shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.725 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.725 = 1.45 BTC [-]
BitHub: i'm looking for a 1btc each exit
BitHub: lil high
BitHub: bbs, pm me d3 if intrested.
Bowjob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPzw7bcfpw
Bowjob: Sell buttocins according to this dude
Diablo-D3: BitHub: not interested at this time
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.00688 = 0.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00688 = 0.1514 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000705 = 0.0071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00579 = 0.0347 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: anything interesting happen today?
mircea_popescu: notrly
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 27 @ 0.000707 = 0.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.04420293 = 33.1522 BTC [-]
Troic: well, etoro wants to join the fun but report all back to govt, old poker news rehashed, +ve bloomberg coverage and that malta fund thingy has new cringetastic site.
mircea_popescu: Troic apt summary.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152892.msg1622460#msg1622460
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2599 = 0.5198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00569985 = 1.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05846793 = 35.0808 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.68902, Best ask: 47.68943, Bid-ask spread: 0.00041, Last trade: 47.68901, 24 hour volume: 49887.21742911, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 47.68901, 24 hour vwap: 46.70191
Bowjob: gearing up for $48 woo
Namworld: Damned...
Bowjob: i look forward to the day I can pay with some of my expensive meals with 0.1 BTC
Namworld: eheh
Namworld: For now it affords some fastfood snack
Bowjob: yeap
Bowjob: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/
Bowjob: my friend
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: true story
dub: whats and expensive meal?
Bowjob: 3
Bowjob: $200, for 2 person
Bowjob: thats my average price
dub: I was gonna say $200 for 1 is starting to get pricey
Bowjob: its for 2
dub: though one of my regular haunts has $1/gram steak minimum 200g
dub: thats just he steak too, sides/sauce etc is extra
Bowjob: if its $1 a gram, it better be kobe beef
Bowjob: not some americanized wagyu steak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599986 BTC [+]
dub: its wagyu
Bowjob: from where tho
dub: I want to say australia but I can't remember
dub: might be japan
Bowjob: theres a ban on export of kobe beef
Bowjob: so it cant be from japan
Bowjob: most likely australia or america
dub: paid $1500 for a table of 5 a little while ago, with plenty of booze
Bowjob: actually, i got my info wrong japan lifted the ban on kobe beef
Bowjob: but it's still ultra rare in north america
Bowjob: i had american wagyu, it was delicious.. I wanna try the real thing one day
mircea_popescu: pork ftw.
dub: pork is shit
dub: even type-o's can't process that shit properly
ThickAsThieves: honestly i dont miss meat at all
dub: y u no eat meat?
benkay: aww blacktape where u goins?
dub: my buddy has a good excuse 'I don't eat anything that has to shit'
benkay: there u iz.
ThickAsThieves: for every reason really
ThickAsThieves: also smoked cigs for 10 yrs and quit
ThickAsThieves: just stuff i dont need or want
ThickAsThieves: anymore
ThickAsThieves: on to new vices
dub: I kicked smoking and most drugs
dub: none of my vego friends are particularly healthy
dub: they still shitty food
ThickAsThieves: i'm no supermodel, but thats mostly cuz i'm on the computer too much
dub: eat*
ThickAsThieves: doc says i'm fine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: anywho
ThickAsThieves: i think BFL will ship this month
dub: because they are flying Luke-Jr out to make the software work?
dub: given that they have not reached out to ask upgraders to return fpgas I doubt it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 449 @ 0.005 = 2.245 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mircae_popescu: what will your new method for getting order id's out to brokers be?
benkay: i'm reading your feb 2013 "innards" post
benkay: and how does that manifest as a significant pain point? i haven't noticed a significant lag between when people post orders and when the pastebin goes up
mircea_popescu: im not sure what the question is
benkay: hang on
benkay: It doesn’t currently even know what id that order will receive in the trade engine, which is even more inconvenient for brokers that handle multiple customer accounts (but we’re working on a way to significantly mitigate this, which will be the next major update barring exigent necessity).
benkay: so a) what is new method
benkay: and b) not really a question but this is a pain point for people? just wait ten seconds for order id to get returned.
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: yeah, lots of crazy people
mircea_popescu: coingenuity is it an organised effort is my question
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: no idea, i work 20 hour days so i dont really pay attention to forums
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing of note to read there anyway... just a bunch of bitcoin-tabloid type topics bout nothing :/
mircea_popescu: coingenuity i have people paid to pay attention and i have people paid to man the watchtowers for me.
mircea_popescu: paranoia ftw.
mircea_popescu: benkay superficially it is not a problem, but on the old system (before the previous upgrade) there existed windows of a few minutes between when the trade engine executed and when the web proxies reported.
kakobrekla: wtf is this horse shit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152910.0
mircea_popescu: on one occasion this window was like one hour
mircea_popescu: it obviously couldn't go on.
mircea_popescu: the solution basically allows the person putting in the order to compute a hash of it and then identify it in their execution reports.
benkay: neat!
benkay: also thank you.
mircea_popescu: at the present time it only works if your order hits the book
mircea_popescu: i am considering expanding it to work both ways and fully identify trades but there's also performance issues to consider and a whole keboodle.
mircea_popescu: anyway. working on it as they say.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol continued support
dub: pokey as in Magical Pokey Usagi?
kakobrekla: and whats with the people funding fiat investments with bitcoin
kakobrekla: are they brain dead
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, well...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
benkay: meh. let brokers track their own orders.
mircea_popescu: well ideally they should, but
Ukto: [21:21] <ThickAsThieves> i think BFL will ship this month <-- I see your putting your mouth where your money is. ;)
Ukto: j/k
kakobrekla: Beauxe : Newbie : Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! : Today at 04:07:51 AM
kakobrekla: I have run and started commodity exchanges. I am currently running one and would like to apply our technology and knowledge to bit coin. There is a decent possibility we may be able to list futures and other derivatives around BTC and LTC. Please whitelist me.
kakobrekla: fuck me.
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla better start with the See here links
benkay: mircae how did you get into the business of starting an exchange?
kakobrekla: assbot would say 'you actions are useless'
BitHub: Bit Coins
BitHub: heh
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
benkay: smoke break on train!
benkay: i'm out
mircea_popescu: why does he keep calling me mircae
kakobrekla: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U-G1FRmhtkQ/TtHOfdeKaII/AAAAAAAAAEs/H7GY4kqmG88/s1600/EhgJk.jpg
mircea_popescu: the day you find there's a new pope from this bitcoi nbetting site you're involved with
mircea_popescu: ya kakotrolka , i'm sure that's what it is.
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: "our technologies"
mircea_popescu: people are basically in the middle ages, they;'d like to apply their potions and salves
mircea_popescu: to bitcoin!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile im trolling sarah silverman. curious how this goes.
BitHub: heh really?
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/312057153810755586
mircea_popescu: in my experience nothing burns the retarded left more than pointing out that their bullshit is mostly dreamed up.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must remind them of their parents or something.
BitHub: hah maybe she's trolling?
BitHub: seems like something she would do
BitHub: nice background pic hehe
mircea_popescu: a contest!
toffoo: any background story behind your twitter wallpaper photo mircea?
mircea_popescu: i didn't even notice, what's she got ?
mircea_popescu: a puppy oh
toffoo: i meant yours
BitHub: oh i thought it was mircea walking down the street
mircea_popescu: mkay i guess i grep the logs.
BitHub: you know who's fun to troll on twitter? Kanye West
BitHub: because he'll actually take it serious and reply and go on about it
BitHub: she was pretty hot in those seinfeld eps
mircea_popescu: wait. kayne west is female ?!
mircea_popescu: toffoo too lazy to grep this monstrous 2mb log. basically, me in mexico walking down the street eatin' chocolates
mircea_popescu: out of my european caryall
BitHub: heh duh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.569 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a dude gtfo
BitHub: its a gayfish
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05716318 = 34.2979 BTC [-]
BitHub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nE7eofIeD4
BitHub: top 5 gayfish moments
toffoo: "it's not a purse, it's european"?
mircea_popescu: yeh
nanotube: mircea_popescu: update the faq and s/oldkeyid/newkeyid/. you changed it at the top, but oldkeyid persists further down.
nanotube: the mpex faq, that is.
mircea_popescu: nanotube yup, it's in process
nanotube: mk.
coingenuity: Ukto: hm, bfl?
Ukto: coingenuity: check your pms
Ukto: old fart
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 4 line quit message ? that guy should be klined
grubles: right?
mircea_popescu: totally.
grubles: mircea_popescu is there a way you can check if my account is active still
mircea_popescu: sure
mircea_popescu: ;;ident grubles
gribble: Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~buttsniff@unaffiliated/grubles', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to id
grubles: np
grubles: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user grubles, with GPG key id DDA96139C85CA43C, key fingerprint E02F7FF6CF582669BB266B53DDA96139C85CA43C, and bitcoin address 1DYVwy7Ru7fJ8HwwoL5VHTUR5jCWG38JPk
mircea_popescu: grubles yup.
grubles: kewl thanks
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 (5000 shares, 3.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074201 / 0.00076718 (903469 shares, 670.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069343 / 0.00078628 (45613856 shares, 31,630.07 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/ijustmadethisup
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1022369/plain/
mircea_popescu: ;;ident assbot
gribble: Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mpexbot
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
grubles: spam
mircea_popescu: hehe im writing an article
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: $help post
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mircea_popescu: $help vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
mircea_popescu: $help depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC in IRC.
mircea_popescu: $help proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: $post ijustmadethisup
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: orly ?!
mircea_popescu: $post 12455
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: heh.
benkay: *claps*
mircea_popescu: $post qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/fyMWzm04
mircea_popescu: $vwap O.BTCUSD.P750T
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'5', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'90144085', u'vsa': u'216644138243', u'vsh': u'2408', u'avg': u'89968495.9481'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'33', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'153153505', u'vsa': u'3065600173348', u'vsh': u'28783', u'avg': u'106507319.367'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
mircea_popescu: $depth S.BBET
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Bids: ['300 @ 150000', '500 @ 140000', '1000 @ 130000', '1000 @ 120010', '5000 @ 120000']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['300 @ 181000', '500 @ 183000', '1000 @ 185000', '3000 @ 190000', '2210 @ 197000']
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: ok sorry for spam everyone, documenting this.
benkay: dev team thinks tests are silly
grubles: lul
benkay: mpex runs tests on production in public
benkay: wild west i tell you
mircea_popescu: basically i can't shake this tom green image from my head.
mircea_popescu: you know what scene when he delivers a baby in the messiest way possible
grubles: theyre too busy polishing their shiny new avalon asics
mircea_popescu: and then proceeds to yammer that he "Saved the day"
mircea_popescu: and "they have a problem with heroes around here" ?
grubles: tom green was funny when i was in middle school
mircea_popescu: grubles which is why he's so adequate in this discussion
grubles: except freddy got fingered
benkay: chorus: "go do it yourself!"
grubles: there can be alternates but they wont have the bitcoin mafia i mean foundation backing them
grubles: itll just be a fork
grubles: i think?
benkay: it's complicated
benkay: don't worry
benkay: 51% controls things
grubles: people will either have to accept one client over another
benkay: this time the devs convinced the miners to do things their way.
benkay: this may not always be the case.
benkay: especially when power begins to concentrate behind people who understand how open platforms are supposed to work
benkay: or people with lots of money
mircea_popescu: benkay moreover, especially as people with actual skin in the game start to emerge.
mircea_popescu: currently the miners are more in it for the bragging rights than for the money
benkay: not really
benkay: think cambrian explosion of bitcointech
mircea_popescu: this makes for a very dysfunctional lord of the flies environment
benkay: monoculture bad
benkay: say it with me
benkay: monoculture bad
benkay: fragile
benkay: centralized.
benkay: interoperability is typically important
benkay: but beyond my pay grade tbh
benkay: slash skill level
benkay: to comment on that.
benkay: also it's *inevitable* that the chain fork and fuck some people eventually
benkay: people all want reward and no risk
benkay: best have good tech, homeboy
benkay: but it's cool for now
benkay: the people who appreciate well engineered things will quietly keep their shit regular
benkay: while the rest of the plebnet falls further and further behind
benkay: till one day
benkay: fork
benkay: recreational miners are fucked
mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty bad future benkay
mircea_popescu: and one that is very probable if people stuck to the sort of nonsense evertyone's used to.
mircea_popescu: but i shall endeavour to break that.
benkay: no it's a possibility though
benkay: i think the system is multistable
benkay: mp wants to drive it to one place
benkay: devs don't have a vision
assbot: quest for vision is a great blessing.
mircea_popescu: i want to drive what where ?!
corpsan: benkay: lol plebnet
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://i45.tinypic.com/21m5ky9.png
kakobrekla: are they so desperate?
BingoBongo: Wow, kakobrekla; I thought I was planning something stupid...
BingoBongo: Today in a moment of weakness I was tempted to register on the WOT and start cloning the late Intrade so I could supply idiots with the Bucketshop that they need
kakobrekla: what stopped you?
BingoBongo: Whiskey Redbulls
BingoBongo: also trip to the East Side
kakobrekla: hmm
BingoBongo: I like brown sugar occasionaly.
BingoBongo: I'm just trying to figure out how little reserves a "prediction market" needs to really operate...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05662037 = 33.9722 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: maybe mircea_popescu can enlighten you
BingoBongo: Maybe
BingoBongo: I've read his critique of Intrade
BingoBongo: Maybe I'm reading wrong which wouldn't be the first time, but it seems like a fair way to separate idiots from their coin.
mircea_popescu: lol weaksauce bfl.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo if you hedge you won't need much.
mircea_popescu: if you don't hedge you'll go bankrupt.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1408 @ 0.005 = 7.04 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu I've done bankrupt in the legal liquidation sense before. Surprisingly pleasant.
BingoBongo: If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway
mircea_popescu: maybe you shouldn't operate a prediction market :p
BingoBongo: Probably...
BingoBongo: I can only act so well
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBongo: I'll stick with practicing on established sites that maintain transparency like this http://bitbet.us/bet/302/bitcoin-standardized-protocol-approved-this-summer/
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed that the girl's announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0 ) actually predates the devs' announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152030.0 )
BingoBongo: >=1
mircea_popescu: for all the nuts ranting and raving about how inept she is in that thread...
BingoBongo: Really they need to kill BDB with fire. There is no other way. Gavin doesn't have a way to maintain BDB compatibility in LevelDB.
mircea_popescu: i don't grok the hate. what's the big deal ?
BingoBongo: BDB just doesn't play nicely with other databases.
BingoBongo: There's a lot of quirks.
mircea_popescu: okay... but i mean, it's old and stable, well tested, much deployed
BingoBongo: An analogy is how there is no good Postgre fork of WordPress
mircea_popescu: leveldb is just this google doohickey
BingoBongo: it is just a Google doohickey, but it works better and the license is right
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
mircea_popescu: tho i think code conservatism may be more valuable. rather use something muchly used than something faster, if those are the only two data points.
BingoBongo: The problem isn't faster the problem is scalability. SatoshiDice for all I defended it against, with BDB's locking bahavior killed BDB as a bitcoin dependency
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225769 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4829378.08809 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.56582
BingoBongo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 95281.952 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10346802.3062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 707.1424 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mircea_popescu: possibly so.
BingoBongo: ;; asks 5
mircea_popescu: i confess to having little clue.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 753.6468 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 28952.846 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1417409.54359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 769.2750 seconds
BingoBongo: ;;bids 5
gribble: There are currently 264838.33 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 6269951.46228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 785.5630 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 912.4385 seconds
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
kakobrekla: tyvm
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
kakobrekla: ;;market sell 350000
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1030.6224 seconds
kakobrekla: trading engine is down
kakobrekla: or smth
mircea_popescu: mine !?
mircea_popescu: nm
kakobrekla: coincidentally im just writing a short report aroud that.
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
kakobrekla: oh gribble went
kakobrekla: and im like wtf im ignored?
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.219788 seconds
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/
mircea_popescu: the latest word in "being an asshole"
mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/beppe-grillo-northern-europe-waiting-to-drop-italy-like-a-hot-potato-8533213.html
mircea_popescu: future italian president ?
kakobrekla: uhh?
kakobrekla: do i need to short eurusd?
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: both ways.
kakobrekla: :)
BitHub: what was wrong with that italian president that has cex with a hooker?
BitHub: win?
mircea_popescu: that she was underage and stupid
mircea_popescu: and he was over 70 and kinda sleazy
BitHub: 17 at the time?
mircea_popescu: ya well, if you factor her mental age into this equation...
BitHub: ruby
BitHub: heh what a psycho
BitHub: i liked how he rigged the recent election
BitHub: noone says shit
BitHub: heh
BingoBongo: Hey, the Lira is still cheaper than quilted Northern
Ukto: wb BitHub :P
BitHub: yeah been back for an hour, caught up in cleaning, trolling, hows the testing going?
BitHub: busted me
Ukto: hehe
Ukto: other channel. :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.0419584 = 31.4688 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/12/business/facebook-secrets/index.html
mircea_popescu: Less than 5 per cent of users predicted to be gay, for example, were connected with explicitly gay groups.
mircea_popescu: there is nowai to hide it now!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5492/20130311/third-closest-neighbouring-star-system-found-6-lightyears-away.htm
mircea_popescu: check out this guy!
mircea_popescu: scans old archives, finds star system
mircea_popescu: true hacker.
BitHub: you better have been luling at me then
BitHub: that was a good one
mircea_popescu: http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5410/20130306/graphene-antennas-reach-terabits-wireless-bandwidth.htm
mircea_popescu: also!
BingoBongo: Depending on how sloppy BBet wants to get http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299176/scitech/science/cern-scientists-say-particle-is-no-super-higgs could resolve http://bitbet.us/bet/8/higgs-boson-support/ for certain definitions of both resolved and sloppy
BingoBongo: For a Dupe because the first link was crap http://news.yahoo.com/cern-scientists-particle-no-super-higgs-212306008.html
mircea_popescu: lol at the first of spring
BingoBongo: Sure
BingoBongo: It all depends on BBet's definition of publication and the amount of juices BBet has running down there desiring a won house bet.
mircea_popescu: house bets both ends tho
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the bet reads that support will be published. nonsuport being published isn't related is it.
BingoBongo: Ah, so the house proposed that one...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo no ?
BingoBongo: Ah
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, twitter
BingoBongo: Cool
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Just think the first graphene took some scotch tape and a #2 pencil
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 200 @ 0.05561259 = 11.1225 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-del/
mircea_popescu: by now it's like 8:1 for
BingoBongo: Isn't Avalon still struggling to get a fraction of the first batch out/
BingoBongo: It seems units shipped rather than units blown up is still going to be the deciding factor at the wire
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla some way to link to comments specifically ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ << that last one lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo whodda thunk that right ?
kakobrekla: click on the username
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/#c351
Anduck: wtf!!!
Anduck: why didnt the "before march" bet get any bets :(
mircea_popescu: a ty!
Anduck: well, it did get like 20 btc
BingoBongo: lol, BFL through recklessness might make it this time though
mircea_popescu: Anduck you kidding ? was like 2k
Anduck: i mean
Anduck: the before march 15th
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: dunno
kakobrekla: too easy
mircea_popescu: prolly too close ya
Anduck: http://bitbet.us/bet/261/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-15th/
Anduck: this
Anduck: yep
Bowjob: looks like btc-e is down
kakobrekla: they annouced 9th
kakobrekla: so 15th was clear win
BingoBongo: March 15th was too imaginably close. The 31st though is an inconceivable neverland of miracles.
mircea_popescu: whoa they eleced a jesuit as pope ?!
mircea_popescu: this is the end of the world.
BingoBongo: Yes they did
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo well put.
BingoBongo: They elected a Jesuit, so they boy touching is never going away
mircea_popescu: 'Fruitful mission'
Anduck: soo close the 15th march bet alrdy? =D
mircea_popescu: we'll ahve the first impregnated altar boy ?
Anduck: "Resolution: in 15 hours 51 minutes (15-03-2013)"
BingoBongo: Maybe?...
BingoBongo: If this channel wan't logged
BingoBongo: I think BFL might ship something, but probably miss the target
Bowjob: fans
BingoBongo: What they ship I don't know
Bowjob: box of
Bowjob: meanwhile.. btc-e is down
BingoBongo: btc-e is crap
BingoBongo: If it isn't NVC and trades on Btc-e it trades on Vircurex with greater market making opportunities
BingoBongo: BTC-E has more volume than Vircurex, but but Vircurex has so many opportunities to trap idiots by using thin Bid/Ask walls. If bitcoin is play money what are these altcoins...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 520 @ 0.005 = 2.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : if you want some easy btc http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11218/there-is-exactly-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-it
BingoBongo: Already first hit on Google for "trilema blog cat"
mircea_popescu: haha nice
kakobrekla: http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-february-2013-statement/
kakobrekla: ?
mircea_popescu: awww!
kakobrekla: or that counts as a dragon? :)
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: cause there's another one :D
kakobrekla: well scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54900001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.549 = 13.725 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11221/there-is-exactly-another-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-that-one-too
mircea_popescu: in yo face foo!
grubles: the 'cat' a euphemism for the female body part?
kakobrekla: hm?
grubles: if so there is probably more than one post
kakobrekla: you deleted the answer or what
kakobrekla: i couldnt find the button
grubles: er is 'cat'*
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: grubles nope
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla its a diff q
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: right
kakobrekla: i see.
grubles: mircea_popescu: lies
mircea_popescu: and yes there's approximately speaking between 5490680 and 59804586 cunts on tyrilema
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: and also i'm having clam chowder soon
grubles: mircea_popescu: the red or the white?
mircea_popescu: white
grubles: do...do you get that reference or are you the only romanian that has watched ace ventura
kakobrekla: cause of the pope?
mircea_popescu: im takin' that one to my grave.
grubles: nooooooooooooooo!!!one
BingoBongo: kakobrakla your bounty on Rugatu is redeemable now
kakobrekla: my balance is 0
mircea_popescu: scam
kakobrekla: yep
kakobrekla: for real wtf
kakobrekla: shoudlnt this be instant?
BingoBongo: Ah, needs to move from pending to approved. SHould be available in 2 hours, probably...
BingoBongo: It should be...
BingoBongo: Instant...
kakobrekla: O_o
grubles: i feel like your nick should be bingoboingo
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is getting ideas for bitbet
BingoBongo: He should be...
kakobrekla: i am?
BingoBongo: Srsly...
mircea_popescu: yes, how to make it more like suck
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136325237356.gif
grubles: dat slap
kakobrekla: is not bad.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769998 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Does this count for the second scavenger hunt http://trilema.com/2010/retete-de-criza-astazi-pisica/
kakobrekla: id say you hit the motherload.
kakobrekla: imma gonna have to translate it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
wh1t3r4bb1t: Send me around the world on bitcoins only so I can document it and make a movie
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t where are you starting from?
wh1t3r4bb1t: Antarctica
BingoBongo: I'm afraid your best bet is to spin around in a circle... I'm afarid the price to drag my Saturn down there is a bit too steep...
wh1t3r4bb1t: I will zig zag around the world proving that you do not need anything but bitcoin to survive.
wh1t3r4bb1t: No saturn
wh1t3r4bb1t: Only boats trains and planes
wh1t3r4bb1t: no cars
wh1t3r4bb1t: or trucks
wh1t3r4bb1t: maybe a bicycle here and there
Anduck: selling asicminer @ 0.78
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t It seems you underestimate the ability my plastic Saturn L-series sedan has shown to swim in the past...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo nah, actually that's rabbit
mircea_popescu: (3rd commenter even identifies it correctly)
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: it translates cat
kakobrekla: i think
kakobrekla: strange.
mircea_popescu: yes, the point of the article is "here's how you cook cat"
mircea_popescu: but it's really rabbit.
kakobrekla: a
mircea_popescu: pisica = cat ; iepure = rabbit
kakobrekla: rabbit meat is kinda borring to me
kakobrekla: but its healthy or smth
mircea_popescu: just low fat.
kakobrekla: horse ftw.
mircea_popescu: indeed
mircea_popescu: all these doods with the kobe bs never had decent mare.
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.769998 = 7.7 BTC [+]
dub: hot with dat gpu rig running
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7351 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.07093982 = 53.2049 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: just me misinterpreting regular price fluctuation in btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0054 = 1.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.769998 = 3.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769999 = 3.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingobongo hey, SalvorHardin and Philip both win. mark the first guy as winner and tell the other to get in touch here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and omg wtf apparently trilema is fulla cats.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005199 = 0.052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so in the end is bitfunder streaming quotes or not rly ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the internet is full of cats
smickles: and trilema is a subset of the internet
smickles: logic
mircea_popescu: ya but girls are full of cooties, guys are a subset of hm
ThickAsThieves: BF is doing websockets
mircea_popescu: i know there's something wrong with your logic but unsure what exactly
ThickAsThieves: so someone just has to grab them
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's an informal fallacy
mircea_popescu: also cooties
smickles: general -> specific
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00999 = 1.998 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm testing my sales system now, since i've decided to release what I have now as a 'beta' at half price.
smickles: re: the gui app
mircea_popescu: o hey
mircea_popescu: (also, you might consider making use of the ref system)
smickles: I haven't put thought into how that would work yet
smickles: but i do like the idea
smickles: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 5 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.737 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its not (yet?).
mircea_popescu: ah k
mircea_popescu: i thought it was coming together yest. my bad.
kakobrekla: i did go about half way yea
kakobrekla: nature is amazing.
mircea_popescu: !amaze nature
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.39839 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so, the first thing that any serious crypto currency needs/makes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153106.msg1624962;topicseen#msg1624962
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 4847647.1520656
kakobrekla: "gettin high on your CPU power"
kakobrekla: ah sry
kakobrekla: litecoin is now mined with gpus
mircea_popescu: today's installment of "evil" mp : http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,estimate
gribble: 6068019.81599933
dub: jebus
dub: ;;bc,nethash
gribble: 35978.971550544906
mircea_popescu: the unknowns.
mircea_popescu: asicminer is taking over
mircea_popescu: watch luke & idiotco learn chinese to better explain why everyone should care about their pasty-ass preconceptions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.16 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.1502 = 1.3518 BTC [-]
dub: well apaprently lluke has 5th of asic on his pool
dub: and that better not be asicminer
kakobrekla: jesus
kakobrekla: http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11266/php-array-to-string-conversion?page=1&focusedAnswerId=11270#11270
kakobrekla: these coders.
mircea_popescu: lolz
Namworld: ASICMINER will need to get a better chip out soon after these first batches tho
dub: pretty sure that was the plan
mircea_popescu: actually i got confused, i meant avalon.
dub: shrinking the process is not as hard as starting over
Namworld: yeah
ThickAsThieves: mp your article is kinda depressing. i think you might underestimate how many people feel like they are the only ones that see The Right Way, and separately that you could just as easily not be Right at all (life is tricky that way). You seem to care (be bothered by) so much about people that you feel are worth so little.
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: so how do you distinguish ?
ThickAsThieves: who is Right, you mean?
ThickAsThieves: only oneself I guess
mircea_popescu: a not at all.
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish between the case where you're right and the case where you're wrong
mircea_popescu: obviously this isn't a vestable attribute, like "being tall"
mircea_popescu: it's a case by case thing
ThickAsThieves: or a nonexistent thing
mircea_popescu: well, if you're going the route of relativism might as well forget about action at all
mircea_popescu: and focus on the senses.
mircea_popescu: hedonism ftw.
ThickAsThieves: i think human nature includes wanting everyone to be more like what you want
ThickAsThieves: some people handle that by just copying others to be more like the group
ThickAsThieves: some try to influence others
ThickAsThieves: to be more like them
mircea_popescu: but you are aware that life selects, right ?
mircea_popescu: evolution forces species to be more like "right", for a natural definition of that term.
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna be careful cuz i'm, not quite the level of philospher/anthropologist you are
mircea_popescu: me either.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: but ultimately what's right, it seems, is that which keeps us most adaptable as a species
mircea_popescu: that's one theory.
ThickAsThieves: possibly comes from an expiring stage of our species
mircea_popescu: understand, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with the "what keeps me out of pain is right" approach in general.
mircea_popescu: im just saying it's woefully inadequate in anything to do with money, or more generally value
ThickAsThieves: money is the currency of life/time
mircea_popescu: yeah something like that.
mircea_popescu: i wrote a piece long ago, in romanian,
mircea_popescu: basically my theory is that the sensate world is underpinned by two essences
mircea_popescu: one is language, the other is money.
ThickAsThieves: i guess you just seem extra soapboxy lately
ThickAsThieves: and if i were a psychiatrist i'm sure i'd be able to figure out why
mircea_popescu: haha so find one
ThickAsThieves: one theory i have is intelligence is a burden
mircea_popescu: heh. do you live in the us ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: you know... we've seen this before.
mircea_popescu: all of it.
mircea_popescu: well... you wouldn't know cause you don't read russian, but it's not new.
ThickAsThieves: i'm no Einstein, but I al constantly disappointed in people
ThickAsThieves: al=am
mircea_popescu: 1970s, the soviets were going "great", thinking people were starting to suspect intelligence is a burden.
ThickAsThieves: and i had to kind of find a zen place to balance it all
deadweasel: me too, ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: i, like most of here us probly, seek out control of our environment
ThickAsThieves: since we cant change people
ThickAsThieves: we just dont associate with them
ThickAsThieves: irl at least
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1624754#msg1624754
deadweasel: tried that route, it's a hard road
dub: I know mrb isnt an idiot, so can someone explain to me why AMs costs go up if BTC/USD does?
ThickAsThieves: if costs go up, costs go up
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: dub i don't see why it would be related.
jurov: mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php looks stale
dub: ah nm, I think he's arguing against someone who thought the increasing BTC/USD was a good reason to buy AM at these prices
jurov: as certain diligent coinbr user spotted
mircea_popescu: jurov any particular spot ?
jurov: S.DICE has much different order book data than on asset page
mircea_popescu: looking.
ThickAsThieves: mp, is there anywhere i can read about this russian intellgence as a burden stuff?
deadweasel: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/For-40-Years-This-Russian-Family-Was-Cut-Off-From-Human-Contact-Unaware-of-World-War-II-188843001.html
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/14/us_malware_catalogue_hacked/ The US government's online catalog of cyber-vulnerabilities has been taken offline – ironically, due to a software vulnerability.
deadweasel: Clearly they didn't like atheism.
deadweasel: so that's a pointer
ThickAsThieves: i saw that one dw
mircea_popescu: jurov i just went through s.dice, failed to see a difference ?
ThickAsThieves: interesting read it was
mircea_popescu: the jsons are not sorted, could that give the impression the book is different ?
deadweasel: no doubt. imagine that -- running for your lives into siberia.
mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see the problem. the cache's sick.
dub: deadweasel: eeeevillldooooeeerssss
smickles: dammit!
smickles: all of the sudden there is an issue with the underlying toolkit i'm using
smickles: D:
deadweasel: fuckles
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: jurov check now!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there's a better source of all soviet woes in englush than stoljenitsn
mircea_popescu: or however his name is written in english
mircea_popescu: Solzhenitsyn heh
jurov: mircea yes now it's fresh :)
mircea_popescu: say ty to dilligent user for me :)
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i'm adding safeties to not have stale cache again. this one managed to get away!
deadweasel: /home/dxaccess-qa/dxaccess/bin/start-results-migration.sh
deadweasel: crap, this is not a terminal
mircea_popescu: o.o
mircea_popescu: deadweasel : simple rule. have all terminals white on black. have all non-terminals black on white. problem solved.
deadweasel: yeah, simple rules don't fix things for idiots.
deadweasel: i'm trying though.
deadweasel: lol
deadweasel: you will be disappointed with what you find
deadweasel: unless you like lab results for horses, then you'll be ecstatic
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla likes horses.
kakobrekla: yeah but not the riding or the fucking part.