assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00637777 = 25.5111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.651 = 1.953 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.6505 = 9.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.649 = 1.947 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I mean we passed the Mt Gox high, but apparently some exchange Blockchain.info follows had the high price at $35, so I've saving the cigars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.679 = 2.037 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: So, BFL is is Kansas City. Is Josh/Inaba Rock chalk like a Jayhawk or like General Quantrill does e see all of the common sense reasons why Lawrence should burn?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5655 @ 0.00076 = 4.2978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.9988 = 1.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
BitHub: stop sharing my fb profile pic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637777 = 31.8889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.650005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.650005 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 22 @ 0.65000001 = 14.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.649 = 7.788 BTC [-]
BitHub: so this guy is an aussie scammer?
BitHub: i'm joking anyway i dont really do that
BingoBongo: MP, this trolling something awful deal is taking a while. In the interim could you maybe hold a contest for spotting extra chromosones on bitcointalk?
BingoBongo: I've recieved one of your gift certificates. I've got time now though where I am looking at the long troll. Get to the moderator control pnel and make threads disapear like thie twin towers.
Bowjob: so how many people got the ten btc trolling price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
splnkr: i give just enough a damn about the IRC community to actually hang out; can't understand how some see it as the target for misanthropic gratification
splnkr: ther are SOOOOOOO many better targets
splnkr: um, media?govt? fortune 500? stodgy educators?
splnkr: the list is practially endless
splnkr: scuse my spelling at this late hour
BingoBongo: Media's too easy. I've done local and regional papers a few too many times. Government trolls itself. I'm a stodgy educator... What targets are left nao?
BingoBongo: I'm ready to fuck, been ready to fuck, these pants are so tight
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 219 @ 0.0065 = 1.4235 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: So... What's the deal with that Blockchain.info mixer?
BingoBongo: I mean the part where it has been phasing in and out of existence these past couple days.
BingoBongo: Is that some bullshit, or is that some bull shit?
BingoBongo: I'm kind of wondering, where's the BitBets on the first S.BBET passthrough?
Namworld: Which passthrough was the first one?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: I don't know that there is an S.BBET passthrough yet.
BingoBongo: You'd think as much as Kumala wants to monetize Virecurex and Crypto::Stocks he would race to set one up.
Namworld: There's one I manage and another on BitFunder
Namworld: I find BitBet overpriced right now tho.
aiball: coinbr.com has bbet for sale
BingoBongo: I don't know. I find it a bit underpriced for all the bets I've bought in on that won't realize till the end of the year...
aiball: definitely a buy and hold if anything
BingoBongo: If you are calling it overpriced Namworld I might finally have to get my shit together and finally register for that MPEX dealio
Namworld: I'm calling the shares as a whole overpriced.
Namworld: 200'000 satoshi a pop. 20 000 BTC valuation.
BingoBongo: I now, that's thy I think they are qorth quite a bit more. Especially since the initial valuation for the whole enterprise was only 100 BTC.
Namworld: They take 1% in fees. Would take 2 million BTC in bets to make a 100% dividend.
Namworld: 0.002 is 200x initial valuation
aiball: has anyone figured out the dividend for bbet this month? I might take a crack at it but just as likely might wait to see the number
BingoBongo: Details, details. There's also the house bets and idiots who bet against any sense.
Namworld: I think it was over-buyed at IPO, people panic buying.
BingoBongo: The BFL bet is going to throw everything for fruit loops
Namworld: now no one buys, no one sells. Almost.
BingoBongo: Right now too many are. There is very little action on most bets.
aiball: how about a major us bank will deploy ripple by 2013
aiball: fuck, that's boring too
aiball: I wanted no, but you're on if I can't think of something better in 30 minutes
aiball: 1 btc, nobody gets hurt
BingoBongo: I have tried. A critical user mass is missing
Bowjob: how about one for avalon too to make it interesting
aiball: because none writing bets reads people magazine. I'm not going to volunteer, but I think that's what is needed here.
aiball: celebrities and kittens get eyeballls.
aiball: I'm heading over to people.com now. then I'll hit up oprah's site
BingoBongo: Pari seems to still lack enough market makers
aiball: Is Tom trying to get custody of his daughter? maybe that's something. I can't believe I'm thinking of investigating this.
aiball: anyone want to take a side on "Tom gets custody of Suri by the End of April? "
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 120 @ 0.25512908 = 30.6155 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I made a bet for avalon on bitbet. lets get this shit rollin
aiball: By the way I'm talking about Tom Cruise. Suri is his daughter. Tom Cruise just divorced his Wife Katie Holmes
aiball: I sending up a 1 btc bet, just giving you insiders a chance to pick a side and I'll take the other.
aiball: I think that would be best for Suri and the other children.
BingoBongo: I just know bit365.eu won't be around long if they keep paying so much for betting against the Astros and Marlins...
BingoBongo: Suri stays with Katie, family law isn't that fucked yet
aiball: I guess that means I'm taking yes.
BingoBongo: I might throw a bitdime on no if it posts
BingoBongo: I imagine it would get too lopsided too fast for real money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.725 = 8.625 BTC [-]
aiball: I'm asking what is a btcdime
Bowjob: you added more stipulatons?
Bowjob: thats the one i submitted, right?
Bowjob: inclined to vote no as a hedge
aiball: I used .5 btc from Tom's basic refund.
aiball: I put it up there, but didn't take a side by mistake. I'll take yes as soon as it's approved. That is unless your comment about court is some way to convince me to take no.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00072 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00620001 = 1.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00620001 = 1.488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1811 @ 0.0062 = 11.2282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4687 @ 0.00610821 = 28.6292 BTC [-]
aiball: why sell s.dice right before the dividend?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.725 BTC [-]
Bowjob: i wanna put no, but theres no yes
ThickAsThieves: would it be unacceptable to say "The next winner of Project Runway will be homosexual"?
ThickAsThieves: so much infiltrating of these peoples lives online probly
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.00641 = 0.1154 BTC [-]
Bowjob: what do you mean by majority ships
Bowjob: because avalon 2's shipping is april 10th
mircea_popescu: majority of batch 1, not majority of all items they will ever produce
ThickAsThieves: i wanna complain that he doesnt really give any dates or schedules, but then again, who ever really lives up to those...
mircea_popescu: well ya but still, things irl happen on some sort of timescale
ThickAsThieves: update essentially says "we're working on it, we;ll get better!"
Bowjob: "Starting from next Monday, units will be en route to their country of destination and tracking numbers will follow maybe 2~3 days after (it is at this point onward which you can expect an email from us with the tracking information), we expect this process to continue to the 10th of March until all the units have been shipped out, if all is well people will get their units in-hand in the middle of March."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.685 BTC [-]
Bowjob: its a matter of shipping..
Bowjob: i havent set the bet yet :P
Bowjob: yifu said christmas came early to them
Bowjob: from winning the huge bfl bet
Bowjob: i guess they bet either 300+ or the 250 bet
Bowjob: umm month, but he's referring to this years xmas
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.08001, Best ask: 34.17002, Bid-ask spread: 0.09001, Last trade: 34.08001, 24 hour volume: 71974.65510805, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.23048
Bowjob: if this rally continues, I'll be able to afford a nice house at the end of the year
Bowjob: then after that perhaps go back to school..
Bowjob: my priorities are backwards.. usually people go to school first
Zillion: mircea has the BFL March 1st bet paid out?
blu3gr1ffon: Zillion: I haven't seen my bet in my wallet yet
blu3gr1ffon: if we are talking about the the bitbet.us one.
Zillion: blu3gr1ffon ok thanks just curious...usually they are fast but this one is big
blu3gr1ffon: anyone getting in on the BTC/USD at Mt.Gox will hit $35 in March 2013 bet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) claimed today that "over 170 million jobs" could be lost due to sequestration. "
splnkr: maxine waters might say extreme stuff sometimes but she's no fool
splnkr: she's among the best Congress has to offer
splnkr: she was the one to bring allegations of CIA crack cocaine trafficking to light in DC
splnkr: that's a pretty big deal in my book
mircea_popescu: she's among the best congress has to offer and that's what she says
splnkr: in politics, sometimes you hyperbolize to make a point
splnkr: that's what you do when you're not lying
mircea_popescu: splnkr ya well, here's the deal : if there actually existed 170mn jobs in the us it wouldn't be in the crapper would it
splnkr: sometimes you take an extreme position to reach a better compromise
splnkr: it's called negotiation
splnkr: but i do see your point in this particular case
splnkr: she maybe meant to say 176K
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2000 @ 0.00641 = 12.82 BTC [-]
splnkr: however I think a lot of us often react to what people say when they're taking extreme positions for negotiation purposes
splnkr: for example an apt. complex i was advising decided to build their own cogen plant because the electricity service was threatening much higher rates
splnkr: well, now the electricity service backpedaled and is offering a continuation at the same rate
splnkr: but the apt managers were too dumb to realize they were just bandstanding
splnkr: now i wonder how this affects BTC speculation =P
pigeons: lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more
splnkr: well, maybe, or maybe it's that people suck, and force politicians to lie.
pigeons: people suck so im forced to kill and steal
pigeons: dont blame the poor politicians
splnkr: whoa whoa the killing and stealing are another issue altogether
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.38 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.395 = 1.975 BTC [+]
splnkr: look, if you view a type of person as completely inhuman and one-dimensional so you can scapegoat them, you're never going to really understand why they are the way they are
splnkr: i had the experience of running for an elected office once and it totally changed my perspective
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> lieing and misleading sucks. even though lying and misleading is expected of politicians, it still sucks, and because of their position, perhaps sucks more <<< this. nonspam detected.
mircea_popescu: just make your motherfucking point, that's what a congress is for.
splnkr: so for example, sometimes what looks like stupidity from the outside is really willful ignorance
mircea_popescu: but it's always easier to self aggrandize and hyperbolize than make points
splnkr: well the irony here is that story about maxine waters misquoting a number probably got more exposure than the story about her exposing the CIA-crack connection in the 90's
pigeons: im suprised you lost, you are a politician, now its "misquoting"
mircea_popescu: i guess this teaches the importance of not fudging numbers.
mircea_popescu: i certainly dislike people that do that more than people that do coke.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00641 = 4.487 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.73 = 3.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [-]
splnkr: pigeons: i'm not trying to defend politicians, but explain them
splnkr: i have less than zero time for their BS
splnkr: they are leading the way to 100 years ago
splnkr: it's a joke and i don't care to stick around for the punchline
splnkr: to be constantly wrapped up in their misdeeds is paralyzing
splnkr: i'd rather just ignore and proceed =)
splnkr: yeah i guess if you're going to jump down a rabbit hole it might as well be the one with the most potential to lead somewhere better
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.63899 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]
Zillion: Still no love on that bet here mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.63899 = 2.556 BTC [-]
Zillion: LOL yeah but I am not the tycoon as you and need my measly coins
mircea_popescu: Zillion srsly, we ran into some sendmany hairs, working at it, it will not be long.
Zillion: np just wanting to be sure no wallet problems is all really
Zillion: thank ya sir...sorry, patience never been a strong suit for me
mjr__: i think it would be awesome if we could lend our shares out on mpex...with an escrow feature of some sort
Zillion: very new to all this if that is a dumb question
mjr__: so others could short
mjr__: and i could have my shares which are just sitting there earn extra income
ThickAsThieves: while ive never used btcjam, i like how the integrated using btct assets as collateral
mjr__: you COULD, but there is no escrow
jurov: thestringpuller, cause mp mentioned sendmany hairs
thestringpuller: mjr__: smickles is working on something for that purpose I thik
jurov: mjr__, shorting is by definition incompatible with simple escrow
mjr__: mircea_popescu: I would rather have my shares in a pool for lending with the understanding that the guy has to have assets to back it up. Similar to bitfinex's system
mjr__: but instead of BTC or USD, S.DICE and S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: unlike the bitfinex system w./e that is, you actually have signed receipts to prove this on mpex.
mircea_popescu: im sure any of the pt ops would do this, for instance.
jurov: i understood mjr__ looks for a broker he'll just push the shares to and broker does the legwork
mjr__: i meant a more automated system, yes Jurov and collects a portion of the interest or fees i generate
mjr__: ie. i can just leave my shares in that pool, but i specificy that my term will expire before dividends
mircea_popescu: actually iirc topace was working on some automation for crediting pushes to his PT
mjr__: even better win, if they win the bet, i can double down
mjr__: my whole point is that i want to increase my long position, but i don't want to buy at market, so if people want to sell at market, and then have to cover, i can buy back my own shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00075632 = 1.6639 BTC [+]
mjr__: if they are right and the short position works, i can increase my position for cheaper, if they are wrong, i get my original shares back anyway, and still rely on dividends
jurov: i'd prefer to run it closed with fixed interest, without dosclosing when i or someone other shorted and how much.
mjr__: exactly, i don't care who they are, i would rather trust mpex or coinbr than an individual person, provided that there is an autoclose out feature and there account is liquid enough to be able to buy back
jurov: transparency leads to somilar things like MPBPT investors bitching that i endangered their investment by setting the rate too high, lol
mjr__: some risk monitoring system
jurov: lmao maybe i can adapt bitcoinica code
jurov: yes that side is clear... but on the other side, maybe i can lend out to coinbr users where i can force liquidate them (hence bitcoinica reference)
pigeons: i dont mind being force liquidated as long as you give it a cute nickname like "starfished" or "juroved"
mircea_popescu: anyway, certainly a valid development direction, this.
mjr__: yes exactly, i don't want to rely on trusting them to return shares and be solvent
mjr__: if their account approaches insolvency they should get a margin call
mjr__: and if it reaches the point where they would be insolvent, they should be autoliquidated
jurov: okay, will plan it. but that even increases the risk of orders mismatch... mircea, how far are you with full tracking? did you determine it can be done?
jurov: who isn't following this - the "track" feature works basically only on half of transactions
jurov: the other half shows digest of other user's order
jurov: if i mismatch leveraged orders the mess will be bigger
mircea_popescu: sorry for the delay everyone. bitcoind is not yet exactly mature, needs a little expert oiling
mjr__: ah, good idea too, if you were to allow me to lend my btc out for margin on people it could work in the same system...but again, need very robust risk controls
Zillion: thats a BTC short for me???
mircea_popescu: you mean 21-02-13 19:54 No 357 2.00000000 19PN8 1.98876913 1Bye9 ?
Zillion: holy crap you are so right sir
Zillion: nothing like whining just to find out your wrong and last money :)
mircea_popescu: so if odds are even and weight under 1k (out of the orig 100k) you may end up -
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 500 @ 0.01 = 5 BTC [+]
mjr__: i am curious if you could use blockchain analysis to get an accurate NPV of S.DICE dividends
mjr__: at the very least gross profit
mjr__: haven't seen that yet
jurov: maybe the default end weight should be 1000 to account for this
blu3gr1ffon: so these bets with, so and so will happen by 4/1/2013, are they over if that something happpens on 3/5/3013?
blu3gr1ffon: or do they just sit there until the end to pay out?
mjr__: do you do underwriting mircea?
mjr__: at this point i mean
mjr__: or do you just list
mjr__: i wanna get into the private equity game lol
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075259 / 0.00076 (207052 shares, 155.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069755 / 0.00078 (17890704 shares, 12,479.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067287 / 0.00078 (67719739 shares, 45,566.99 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
pigeons: i would think horsemeat would cost more than cornfed cow meat
Chaang-Noi: horse meat is cheap if it comes from a horse no one wants
mjr__: what i don't understand is that they eat horse meat when it's labeled horse
mjr__: i really wouldn't care if i found out i ate pork when i thought it was only beef
thestringpuller: if within a few weeks’ time you find yourself in the position of having to decide whether a few million dollars go to a. free drinks and garter inserts at a number of strip clubs or to b. coinbase “second round of funding”, the correct business decision is certainly a. At least the strippers can actually provide an answer should anyone happen to ask “what the fuck are you doing”. <<< I think many VC's w
ThickAsThieves: in the US, mostly the only meat-switching news you hear about is with fish
ThickAsThieves: cheap fish being sold as expensive fish in restaurants
Anduckk: mircea_popescu is the string puller!!!
Anduckk: (btw thats is actually true)
mircea_popescu: i started off trying to be nice but by the end i was thoroughly pissed off so.
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.25001 U.S. dollars = 26.2693741 Euros
mjr__: so you underwrite and marketmake?
jcpham: EskimoBob tell me about the things that make you angry
jcpham: i figured you were angry about something
jcpham: you normally seem angry
jcpham: I imagine you having steam coming from your ears
mircea_popescu: mjr__ to some degree. the way it practically works is mostly by putting min bids in during ipos
mircea_popescu: nothing much came of it in the case of bitbet for instance, it took off way
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610821 / 0.00633093 / 0.00637777 (46523 shares, 294.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00572194 / 0.00621997 / 0.00638999 (320933 shares, 1,996.19 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00602873 / 0.007395 (6844333 shares, 41,262.64 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.64000000 / 0.65926621 / 0.68950000 (139 shares, 91.63800308 BTC), 7D: 0.60000000 / 0.65115724 / 0.69400000 (1192 shares, 776.17942766 BTC), 30D: 0.52100000 / 0.66313431 / 0.89000000 (11178 shares, 7412.51528089 BTC)
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49900 U.S. dollars = 26.4603467 Euros
BitHub: ziggap are on bitfunder as well
blu3gr1ffon: they are, newly so. anybody used the service?
mircea_popescu: I am done using this site. When you place a bet with a professional you want to be paid when the bet has resolved. Not when someone is good and ready to pay you. Mircea Popescu is a no better than any scammer before him."
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
BitHub: its a place to buy bitcoins from
BitHub: they do a few countries
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ok but i mean... today is still the 1st wtf.
mircea_popescu: banks regularly hold payments 2-3 days, what about that.
blu3gr1ffon: i guess people expect the perks of bitcoin to apply to bitbet
mircea_popescu: stuff has to be checked, for one, it's not exactly pennies we're dealing here. stuff breaks half the time, as it was indeed the case this time. new code and all that.
mircea_popescu: gotta give scammers like mircea_popescu some slack eh.
ThickAsThieves: he probly had some other bet or debt he needed to fill
mircea_popescu: i guess if you sit there and mash the f5 there's little difference between an hour and all eternity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.685 = 6.165 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.49489 U.S. dollars = 26.4571944 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00637776 = 31.8888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.64500001 = 24.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.645 = 6.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.49501, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 63944.06343327, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 33.24964
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.83988, Bid-ask spread: 0.23988, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60000, Best ask: 34.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 34.83990, 24 hour volume: 65618.15625339, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.28810
ThickAsThieves: which was accelerated from when they said 2014 last year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.04 BTC [+]
mjr__: yeah i need google glass
mjr__: the new video was awesome
mjr__: and i saw a picture of sergey brin on the subway in nyc wearing them
ThickAsThieves: from the looks of their promo photos, you have to look pretty hip to own a pair
mjr__: no one ever went broke taking profits...sell sell sell
mircea_popescu: "Consumer spending in the U.S. rose in January even as incomes dropped by the most in 20 years, showing households were weathering the payroll-tax increase by socking away less money in the bank."
mjr__: i was saying that as i kept my finger on the buy button, following goldman sach's modus operandi...tell people to do the exact opposite of what you plan on doing, and have them pay you for the "service"
mircea_popescu: the vote is in : the us public does not care whether the us ends.
mjr__: yes, but it is the system that makes savers into suckers
mjr__: i honestly think it may even be a partly subconscious effect whereby without concsciously realizing it, you know that saving is stupid when the value goes down so rapidly
mjr__: QE infinity and beyond
ThickAsThieves: americans are so ignorant and detached from the political and financial world it isnt funny
ThickAsThieves: i can have an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the people i come across
Chaang-Noi: their parents or grandparents made all the money, now everyone has credit
mircea_popescu: actually seeing how the expenditure is in large part houses,
mircea_popescu: it's pretty smart. buy a house today for 100k of debt, wait for obama to make 100k = 1 pizza
mjr__: but that is the point
ThickAsThieves: they even messed up real estate as investment for the middle and lower class
mjr__: and they want eveeryone in as much debt as possible
mircea_popescu: i could carry on an intelligent conversation with maybe 5% of the egyptians in either cairo or luxor
ThickAsThieves: i dont really understand why so many people dont want to think for themselves
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria Only in the sense that finance will move to Bitcoin faster.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Does the EU transaction tax proposal apply to Bitcoin transactions?
mircea_popescu: @MarkCalabria No, Bitcoin is structurally immune to imposed taxation.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.53318, Best ask: 34.79987, Bid-ask spread: 0.26669, Last trade: 34.80000, 24 hour volume: 67402.19246156, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.33373
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.68499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00075632 = 5.143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4927 @ 0.00075542 = 3.722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5478 @ 0.00075 = 4.1085 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Spiers, responding to a question about whether he regretted Groupon going public with "I feel like the only reason you could be asking me that question is because you think I’m stupid or because you’re trying to see if I’m going to lie to you."
mircea_popescu: and for the record i totally called this on trilema, when they ipod
ThickAsThieves: i had every client asking me about groupon for a while
mircea_popescu: "We sat in the dining room at Madera, a Michelin 1-star rated restaurant in the Rosewood, a luxury hotel that’s partly owned by Stanford University."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.75002, Best ask: 34.81892, Bid-ask spread: 0.06890, Last trade: 34.81895, 24 hour volume: 68172.45866000, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.83990, 24 hour vwap: 33.35396
mircea_popescu: He softened a bit. “I think in the first phase of our company, we were a glorified mailing list. We had a completely unintelligent email that we sent out once a day and we had a human sales force that was going around and procuring the deals... "
mircea_popescu: why do they wait for it to be 2013 and everyone be pissed off ?
mircea_popescu: this is what so called CEOs should learn from me, seriously. say it dude.
jcpham: what is the lesson, i'm listening
mircea_popescu: say nigger. tell people to fuck off. say your company sucks and is a glorified mailing list. say whatever the hell is the case.
mircea_popescu: no matter how apparently impolite, impolitical, inappropriate or whatever the fuck.
jcpham: i'm a big proponent of telling the truth
blu3gr1ffon: if you have shareholders, it is illegal to do anything that would lower the price of your company
mircea_popescu: that only sets you up for the unpleasant situation of this guy
jcpham: what were we talking about
jcpham: i do not like this topic
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.81100, Best ask: 34.86999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05899, Last trade: 34.81100, 24 hour volume: 68642.46395107, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89000, 24 hour vwap: 33.36688
jcpham: wtf is a groupon anyways
jcpham: didn't they go out of business
jcpham: well i do not shop so idgaf
Diablo-D3: a lot of people collectively take up a discount
Diablo-D3: jcpham: not just items, services too
Diablo-D3: a lot of companies pulled out of groupon and refuses to honor groupon deals because groupon wouldn't set limits and shit
Diablo-D3: group on also had pretty fucked up internal financials
jcpham: groupon promotes consumerism
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 which is a polite way of saying they cooked the books for the ipo
jcpham: i'm violently anti-consumer
pigeons: it has a high carbon footprint
Diablo-D3: jcpham: consumerism isn't bad inherently
Diablo-D3: jcpham: like, I'll buy mass produced products…. they just have to be high quality ones
jcpham: when people band together in facebook hoardes to groupon their rent money?
Diablo-D3: like I just bought a $99 9" frying pan
jcpham: why the fuck would you pay 100$ for a pan
Diablo-D3: its an all copper frying pan with a thin layer of 18/10 stainless steel for the cooking surface
jcpham: i barely eat let alone spend money on retarded kitchen goods
pigeons: a good pre-seasoned cast-iron skillet?
Diablo-D3: I took advantage of a pricing error
Diablo-D3: pigeons: a good one of those is $20 =P
jcpham: pigeons that's a hand me down
pigeons: yeah that's what i have ;>
jcpham: grandma hooked us up with the cast iron
Diablo-D3: Im going to own one frying pan the rest of my life thats not cast iron
mircea_popescu: pigeons i have some cast iron stuff. the problem with it is the womenz can barely lift the stuff. some sauces require lifting the pot with one hand while stirring with the other
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I wouldn't use cast iron for sauces
jcpham: i'm just poking at you Diablo-D3, if you want to spend money on copper pans and mine bitcoins on Nvidia
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: get a 18/10 stainless pot
Diablo-D3: you can get one for like $50-75 depending on what size
Chaang-Noi: you guys know too much about cooking stuff
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.89769, Best ask: 34.89989, Bid-ask spread: 0.00220, Last trade: 34.89990, 24 hour volume: 68050.93419775, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.89990, 24 hour vwap: 33.36805
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: cooking is a man's art
pigeons: not pikewomen, just healthy
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 often enough you make the sauce in the same skillet you cooked the meat for juice economy.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it depends on the sauce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637776 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like, I don't ike putting tomatoes in a cast iron pan
Diablo-D3: but a white sauce or gravy? thats fine
jcpham: i can honestly say I'm never experienced the word juice followed by the word economy
jcpham: i think i should take a nap or bleed out or something
mircea_popescu: jcpham you never lived having to save your juice to satisfy many hungry mouths either.
Diablo-D3: jcpham: he basically said "gravy without getting another pan dirty"
Diablo-D3: I laughed out loud, Im a bad person. No wait, that other thing, Im awesome.
jcpham: i can't wait to drop "juice economy" on someone
jcpham: when they least expect it
Diablo-D3: but yeah, I wouldn't have paid $200 for this
Diablo-D3: infact, I didn't even want to pay $100
Diablo-D3: but when something like that comes up
Diablo-D3: woks are often cast iron or annonized steel
Diablo-D3: bronze is fine, although you usually don't see it anymore
Diablo-D3: stainless steel is the best for the surface though
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure they are mostly steel that we have
Diablo-D3: you can get pans that are pure 18/10 stainless, and they're good
Chaang-Noi: fuck, im going to go check.. iv not been in the kitchen for months and im going in to see pots...
Diablo-D3: almost pure copper is 1%er kind of shit
Diablo-D3: there are pro chefs that don't use shit like this
Diablo-D3: nanotube knows what Im talking about
Chaang-Noi: i think the stuff we ahve is mostly steel
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: 18/10 steel is what a lot of people have
Diablo-D3: like, commercial grade shit is usually pure 18/10 or aluminum/18/10 bonded
Diablo-D3: the best cooking surface you can get is 18/10 stainless
Diablo-D3: its not the best _conductor_ though
Diablo-D3: thats why a lot of high grade 18/10 stainless pans have a copper layer inside
Diablo-D3: the only thing better is as much copper as possible with a thin layer of 18/10 as the cooking surface
Chaang-Noi: i dont think im picky enough id notice the differance
Diablo-D3: unless you cook every single day and do hardcore shit, you'd never see it
mircea_popescu: am i seeing this right, we're getting a downtrend retarget ?!
Chaang-Noi: if i cant go out of have some one cook for me i will eat bread from the bag and beer...
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: gpis are being powered down
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its the calm before the storm
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: yeah see, Im rejecting most pre made foods
Namworld: I guess a lot of the 25 terahash of GPUs are being removed
Diablo-D3: osx can automatically spellcheck that
Chaang-Noi: i dont know, i never have. also spending more than 10 mins trying to get a meal is a waste of time
Chaang-Noi: my wife will spend 2 hours on a meal some times... fucking insane
mircea_popescu: i hear you say that im thinking "this is like saying spending more than 2 minutes to get laid is a waste of time"
Chaang-Noi: who spends more than 2 hours to get laid?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i spent two hours actually cooking yet tho
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the part between meeting the girl and getting her naked.
mircea_popescu: i mean the part between her being naked and you being done
Chaang-Noi: oh, i do BBQ, but i dont really count that as cooking
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: 2 minutes getting laid? wtf, must be an asian thing
Diablo-D3: I couldn't get off in 2 minutes if I tried. Infact, I did. Didn't happen.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
Chaang-Noi: ahh sex time, yeah i have done over 2 hours before but not for a while.... 30 mins to an hour is fine...
mircea_popescu: yest i made shrimp in white sauce with garlic + pasta, took like 25.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, but sex is so much better than food
Chaang-Noi: if im goig to spend 1 hour doing something its going to be sex, not cooking:)
Diablo-D3: hell, I wouldn't mind doing 8 hours on a meal
Diablo-D3: depends entirely what you're doing
gribble: Current Blocks: 223776 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17471712.2288 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00477
Namworld: not sure we're forked... but looks like someone could do a 50% +
Namworld: unless BFL is testing on top of ASICMINER
mod6: yeah, they're showing 3m estimated
mod6: much different than the numbers gribble is giving
mod6: even the diff change is saying 914 blocks, and gribble is saying 2015 blocks
thestringpuller: or is the estimate highest the farther away the next retarget it
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 17471712.2288 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 223778 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12559483.346 | Estimated Percent Change: 187.54212
blu3gr1ffon: cool, you made me .7btc mr. mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: just as soon as im done cooking the motherfucking books
Namworld: It's more of being a PITA than being hard.
ThickAsThieves: "This is not the apocalypse. It's just dumb," Mr. Obama told reporters
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: What is the basis for your difficulty prediction?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.03401 = 0.2721 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: "Bitcoin next difficulty looks like 17mn, a 300%ish increase. Possibly largest gap since the very early days."
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5830327.65884 based on data since last change | 4610091.30003 based on data for last three days
Bugpowder: that was like 15 minutes ago though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074307 = 3.7154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00074306 = 4.867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00074306 = 0.9288 BTC [-]
mod6: i just got an email from my bank...they'd like me to donate some food to them.
kakobrekla: "people guarding the safes are hungry, f1"
mircea_popescu: now let's see if we can get this shit past the auditors
imsaguy: There's really not much to cook
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i gave up the weird cash-basis monstrosity i was doing last month
mircea_popescu: because if i kept up with it the report would have been literally uninteligible
imsaguy: just hire smickles already
imsaguy: oh, I thought jesus was coming again
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
jcpham: i bet smickles killed someone
jcpham: and he's just laying low
jcpham: he's 182% gangster to the core, that smickles
mircea_popescu: the person that i'm pretending to be pretending to be or somesuch found it for me. imagine, a girl actually read bfl forums!
jurov: bitbet referrals need whole addy or firstbits are okay?
[\\\]: I'm gonna make a bunch of claims, but then turn around and make a disclaimer that the claims could be false
[\\\]: He's too busy to do his own research but not too busy to make the initial claim
mircea_popescu: moreover... he disclaims whether bitbet is in fact owned by me or not
mircea_popescu: because you see, there's some girl that keeps beating up on him on the interwebs
[\\\]: "one more day, I promise"
[\\\]: cross my heart, hope to die.
[\\\]: ok fine, I hope you die.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00611 = 0.0917 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0061 BTC [-]
[\\\]: I'll take your word for it, panda.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00609 = 0.609 BTC [-]
[\\\]: oh wait, inaba said you're a liar
[\\\]: and mommy said I can't talk to liars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.7 = 10.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ya except after mpoe-pr walked all over his face on btctalk he has to say it in blfcloset
[\\\]: its easier to make up the rules in your own sandbox
mircea_popescu: "This person seams pretty sure of him self to bet so much money that we wont be seeing
mircea_popescu: A shipment before march, this has me a little worried."
[\\\]: are there april bets yet?
[\\\]: how about may or june?
[\\\]: I wouldn't take the avalon
mircea_popescu: in any case this makes me realise, bet arbitraging is now possible. yes one no the other or we
[\\\]: avalon has at least proven a device
[\\\]: even if not shipping en masse
[\\\]: what did kanoi hack on?
[\\\]: they shipped him to bfl to develop software, but what did he test with?
FonziSource: the avalon is not the quality i would expect
[\\\]: FonziSource: I'd expect there to be revisions between what Jeff got and what everyone else will receive
mircea_popescu: my guess would be thatm ost actual units would struggle to reach the prototype performance
FonziSource: but if the only bug is that it hangs every so x
FonziSource: i'd reboot it prior to x and have a coke and a smile too
[\\\]: the windows miners still like to freak out after 5 days
[\\\]: so its not much different
[\\\]: schedule the reboot and be done
[\\\]: it is a bug in cgminer
[\\\]: don't tell them that tho
[\\\]: they'll blame windows
FonziSource: but I've got a cgminer running now since november on linux
[\\\]: but basically, there were a few versions of cgminer that run for weeks
[\\\]: the new versions don't anymore
[\\\]: there's a leak somewhere :D
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: the whole stratum thing is forcing upgrades
mircea_popescu: from what i gather the stratum is kinda unavoidable tho
FonziSource: cgminer version 2.4.0 - Started: [November 29, 2012, 12:47 pm] Rig: leviathan
FonziSource: (avg): 1040.85 Mh/s | Q:1714540 A:1896580 R:19689 HW:0 U:14.31/m ST:2258 DW:414493 NB:15431 LW:4265417 GF:292 RF:658
pigeons: no you can avoid if if you use Luke-Jr's bfgnet
Luke-Jr: pigeons: I don't maintain BFGMiner old versions very long either
gribble: Current Blocks: 223785 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5112621.65753 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.05052
Luke-Jr: thought [\\\] should know better, and use it since it's got less bugs :P
pigeons: doesnt eligius support another overlay protocol in addition to stratum as an alternative?
Luke-Jr: pigeons: Eligius supports standard GBT of course
pigeons: that's what i was looking for
pigeons: the name of gbt as an alternative to stratum
mircea_popescu: ackageShell provides an environment for software packages to run in.
topace: has sdice dividend been announced yet ?
kakobrekla: ah i see im late to the party, was this was already beaten moments ago
midnightmagic: Hey wasn't there a bet that Josh (from BFL) did about BFL delivery times not that long ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0007499 = 3.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00074991 = 3.946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21238 @ 0.00076 = 16.1409 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610824 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00610823 = 5.4974 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla especially as bet was made after the new diff lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 138 @ 0.006 = 0.828 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic if you mean the bitbet thing it closed recently.
topace: mircea_popescu: doh i was hoping it would come today so i coud not work this weekend :p
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Oh, does the site not escrow bets?
jurov: kakobrekla, that 3-75-million bet wasn't very visible. i remember myself thinking about it, but then it scrolled down into oblivion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess after this march 1st bfl will stand for butteryfly lols
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: What the hell is that last comment bitching at you then..?! When one bets, they actually send BTC to the site right? Who mediates ambiguous bets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Scroll way down to the "I am done using this site."
mircea_popescu: if you grep the log there was some wtfing about it earlier
mircea_popescu: "The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has filed Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security, in response to a failure by the agency to release any documents pertaining to the “Emergency Wireless Protocols,” (Standard Operating Procedure 303 or “SOP 303″)."
mircea_popescu: the lol is strong with this one. this sop 303 thing is supposedly the procedure of how to turn off internets.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.006 = 0.03 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Doesn't SOP usually imply something that's done all the time?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.006 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in obamaworld things that were never done and can't in principle be done apparently qualify.
jurov: There will be legal action resulting in injuction against or outright ban of sale of Google Glasses (or equivalent Google product) country-wide or state-wide in any country or US state, effective before 1st January 2014. Cited reason may be privacy concerns, patent violation or anything other.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Seriously man. I make fucking awesome coffee.
jurov: is such bet preliminary acceptable?
jurov: what? they're already banned somewhere?
jurov: midnightmagic enjoy. i'll keep gulping here this instant shit with stevia.
jurov: well it's too broad scope... maybe they'll get banned in baluchistan and we won't know it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 299 @ 0.01 = 2.99 BTC [+]
jurov: i said us state or anywhere else
jurov: maybe limit it to US state or EU country
jurov: submitted. we'll see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.7 = 3.4 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.48000, Best ask: 34.50999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02999, Last trade: 34.48001, 24 hour volume: 61642.33337937, 24 hour low: 30.90200, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 33.38684
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6835 BTC [-]
SudsyForce: written, produced, and directed by Chris Robinson
SudsyForce: Two slave brothers, one black, one an albino, discover a treasure map which is taken from them by their foreman. They take it back but are pursued by the foreman. Originally, the foreman seeks the aid of two bounty hunters who pursue the protagonists throughout the film. At the end, both the foreman and the bounty hunters catch up with the two escaped slaves, and the foreman has a change of heart, helping to kill the bounty hunters.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075292 / 0.00076 (264833 shares, 199.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069845 / 0.00078 (17743462 shares, 12,393.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67591125 shares, 45,487.52 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.006 = 13.446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4710 @ 0.00075142 = 3.5392 BTC [-]
fydel: MR mircea_popescu: Is there a way to see the exact trade volumes of the mpex stocks? The graphs on mpex.com are nice but I would like to have more infos, Sir.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007147 / 0.0007529 / 0.00076 (269543 shares, 202.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069867 / 0.00078 (17683122 shares, 12,354.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067298 / 0.00078 (67573650 shares, 45,476.39 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the 30 day volume comes from the json there for instance
fydel: mircea_popescu: thank you, sir
fydel: kakobrekla: thank you,,this looks nice
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 45 @ 0.35 = 15.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] [PAID] 1.23456789 BTC to 1`000`000 shares, 0.00000123BTC per share
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 15 @ 0.2999 = 4.4985 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4920122.48034 based on data since last change | 4642001.13651 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 38 @ 0.2999 = 11.3962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 2.72083959 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 0.00000054 BTC per share
mircea_popescu: tho it'd prolly be a good idea if per share div was quoted in satoshi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6805 = 4.083 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
mjr_: mpex website is down?
Bugpowder: hey dudes, got a little troubleshooting question
Bugpowder: importing a cold wallet.dat into my main bitcoin-qt client
Bugpowder: despite it showing the right addresss
Bugpowder: and being fully synced with network
Bugpowder: Will that redownload the blockchain?
kakobrekla: -rescan Rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions
Bugpowder: could it potentially damage my hot wallet?
Diablo-D3: I really should beat Ukto with a cluebat
kakobrekla: well bitcoin can potentially do preetymuch anything including with stabbing you in the face
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.82300, Best ask: 34.84999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02699, Last trade: 34.82300, 24 hour volume: 37832.17788346, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.18692
Bugpowder: I am trying to move my main stash into cold storage, just testing how it works now
Bowjob: bug, had you been so stubborn you woulda been crushed by your puts
Bowjob: I'm looking at private islands for a near future purchase.. i wonder which one's the best value for buck
Diablo-D3: Ukto: you don't accept bitcoins directly
Ukto: hopefully in the next 30 days
Ukto: new stuff will be in effect
Ukto: that will make your head spins
FabianB: mircea_popescu: mpex dossed again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00075557 = 9.8224 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006389 = 0.6389 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: now we wait for the weekend dip...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 25 @ 0.00072 = 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 925 @ 0.00073 = 0.6753 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
Bowjob: "Lessons learned. Batch #2 process will have improvements, minor design adjustments and other goodies."
Bugpowder: that is like $15,000 down the tubes
Bowjob: theres more avalons than we discovered
Bowjob: but why did both fuck up at the exact same time?
Bugpowder: he stacked them on top of each other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6795 = 3.3975 BTC [-]
Bowjob: hopefull batch two will resolve that
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.006389 = 0.0703 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bowjob that avalon bet adjustment seems prescient in retrospect huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.68 = 23.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00076 = 7.372 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Sir, they are two avalon located in different rooms. No one touch them because they are all working well last night before I went to sleep."
mircea_popescu: has the distinct sound of ruined family hopes and aspirations to it.
jurov: if anyone desperately needs to place orders, mpex.coinbr.com still works
Bowjob: im withholding my bet.. im uncertain'
Bowjob: I already bet $1500 on avalon anyyway
jurov: mircea_popescu , no comment? it's ddos?
jurov: i can't access mpex.co .. times out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.685 = 8.22 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: interesting, are you going through the same hub as fabian ?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 1000 @ 0.11319853 = 113.1985 BTC [-]
mod6: i havent had any problems
kakobrekla: does this pinkhouse have a street address?
mircea_popescu: jurov it looks like atlas.cogentco is having issues and perhaps dropping packets
jurov: good you have put the proxies in place, i just switched
jurov: interesting that from my bitvps from zurich it works
Bowjob: basically theres more avalons in the wild than we previously thought
Bowjob: so.. 298/300 avalons work
Bowjob: One thing that bothers me.. 2 of them shut off at the exact same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.685 = 1.37 BTC [+]
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.27669, Best ask: 34.58835, Bid-ask spread: 0.31166, Last trade: 34.27626, 24 hour volume: 41270.19696629, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.26412
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 333181.4110 USD and would take the last price down to 32.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.3181 USD/BTC.
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2800852.7112 USD and would take the last price down to 19.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.0085 USD/BTC.
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 71717.994 bitcoins, for a total of 16174263427823.8477 USD and take the price to 13370133701337.0000.
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 34837.9787 USD and would take the last price up to 34.9100 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.8380 USD/BTC.
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 352432.4425 USD and would take the last price up to 35.9775 USD, resulting in an average price of 35.2432 USD/BTC.
thestringpuller: We very well may soon see how many bitcoins have actually been lost...
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4530174.0465 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.5302 USD/BTC.
jurov: <thestringpuller> 99% of all Avalon's work, seems like a good job. A+ no? <<<sauce?
jurov: where are all the other 98% ?
jurov: in other news, coinbr unanimously voted to pay me bonuses
jurov: few trillions satoshis
jurov: thestringpuller oh you just made fun, i see
Bowjob: i want to see 1 satoshi 1 cent
jurov: i can buy the satoshi for 1.5 cents
jurov: and we'll push the tx to assbot thus making them official
Bowjob: does paypal even allow 1 cent txs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00637772 = 0.6378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00637773 = 1.9133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00637775 = 6.3778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4900 @ 0.00637776 = 31.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 24700 @ 0.00637777 = 157.5309 BTC [+]
jurov: you remember the story about detergent becoming..er..money?
jurov: i think that was least scammy money ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00637777 = 1.2756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00075557 = 10.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075142 = 7.4391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P330T] 750 @ 0.14253227 = 106.8992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.6675 = 10.0125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.667 = 2.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.645 = 24.51 BTC [-]
jurov: pity that beercoin didn't catch up
jurov: named nationals would mightily disagree
jurov: and thestringpusher is from burkina faso
mircea_popescu: turks fuck their wives in the ass. russians beat them up.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.006388 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: We learn nothing from that experiment
Bugpowder: I proposed that expt to a postdoc in his lab and he was like... Yah I'm not supposed to say anything but we already have done that
Bugpowder: Nicolelis has a great sense for sexy science
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 98 @ 0.006388 = 0.626 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Professor Bugpowder, you should take bribes from your students in BTC.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1120 @ 0.006389 = 7.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00639 = 0.639 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4731 @ 0.00639 = 30.2311 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2241 @ 0.0064 = 14.3424 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6659 @ 0.00641 = 42.6842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.23606086 = 177.0456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hahaha so basically avalon 1st april delivery bet is about to overtake bfl 1st april delivery.
Bowjob: dont i get anything for that bet
Bowjob: i didnt take a side however
mircea_popescu: then yes, when it settles. your addy should be on one of the inputs
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02125, Best ask: 34.02600, Bid-ask spread: 0.00475, Last trade: 34.02124, 24 hour volume: 43518.84638286, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.27453
mod6: here comes some coins!
Bowjob: oh yeah, weekend dip. nothing to worry about
Bowjob: i wanna sell my avalon batch 2 as a collectors item someday
Bowjob: might fetch quite a price at sotheby's
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.37000, Best ask: 33.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 33.40000, 24 hour volume: 46971.71104167, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.23265
Bowjob: the bears are attacking
Bowjob: brb, dumping. see you at single digits
mircea_popescu: "161 arrested in Saudi Arabia protest over detentions, including 15 women and 6 children"
Bowjob: saudi people are very good at beheading
Bowjob: way better than the mexicans
mircea_popescu: the old jewish story about "when they finally came for me there was no one else around"
gribble: Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 223830 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1961 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4843098.93958 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.87995
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.71000, Best ask: 33.89879, Bid-ask spread: 0.18879, Last trade: 33.89879, 24 hour volume: 60515.34646797, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09078
mod6: someone's back'in up the truck
maximian: well, that dump was absorbed easily
mod6: shorts have been getting crushed
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.02502, Best ask: 34.13582, Bid-ask spread: 0.11080, Last trade: 34.13583, 24 hour volume: 62126.92918597, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08840
kakobrekla: you need to find 2 blocks and you are even
mod6: gtfo you don't have any of those lol
mod6: if I push you 44BTC you'll send?
kakobrekla: 03:47.20 ( kakobrekla ) not mine, but i wouldnt mind.
mod6: im like dude, i want one!!!
mod6: you probably would have scammed me for 2
mod6: not you FabianB_, scammar kakobrekla
mod6: tryin to pull the ole "i got asic's!!!" one on mod6
mod6: well, then I saw another like 10000 show up on the ask side.
mod6: but yeah, the first 10000 did!
mod6: lets see what gribble says
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 33.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 5933.3105 bitcoins offered at or under 35.0 USD, worth 206963.560478 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.69391, Best ask: 33.84351, Bid-ask spread: 0.14960, Last trade: 33.84351, 24 hour volume: 62235.33867428, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08873
mod6: yeah, i think my clark moody was screwed up
mod6: i wish kako had those asics
mod6: one of those guys from the other night was like, "LETS GET TWO!!" heh
mod6: they're something of a unicorn methinks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66001, Best ask: 33.89669, Bid-ask spread: 0.23668, Last trade: 33.65062, 24 hour volume: 62649.19977577, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.08709
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.41001, Best ask: 34.42509, Bid-ask spread: 0.01508, Last trade: 34.40738, 24 hour volume: 62436.63064572, 24 hour low: 32.92000, 24 hour high: 34.90000, 24 hour vwap: 34.09427
mircea_popescu: "stabilization of expected inflation..are products of the increasing credibility of the Fed's commitment to price stability"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00412 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00198 = 0.0198 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10690 @ 0.00075142 = 8.0327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1860 @ 0.00074926 = 1.3936 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I get Error: Xcoind backend failure in getbalance at 774
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.26455015 = 2.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.681 = 2.043 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bet right, still lose money however is fucking lol
ThickAsThieves: but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk
Chaang-Noi: well people should not make a bet when weight is only 75 out of 100,000
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but i also kinda fon't care about people trying to sneak bets in at low risk << this.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, people who like btc love gambling
mircea_popescu: i think people love gambling a liot more than anyone suspects
ThickAsThieves: i had someone justify scratch tickets to me the other day
B0g4r7: I liked scalping BoB bets. Lately they've stopped me tho.
ThickAsThieves: i think one appealing aspect of the company retaining shares as payment
ThickAsThieves: on the fly i mean, like while checking out stock prices on the exchanges
ThickAsThieves: you dont need to memorize or look up how many shares are public
mircea_popescu: so, normal company. issues 100 shares, makes 100 profit, retains 30% pays out 70%. dividend is .7 per share
mircea_popescu: weirdo glbse abomination : issues 100 shares, of which it sells 70 and keeps 30 "for growth". makes 100 profit now it pays out 1 per share
mircea_popescu: except each actual share gets a further .3 from the retainment
mircea_popescu: and then later maybe it sells some of the "kept" shares
mircea_popescu: in general it's just a way to equivocate ownership, which practically works as a way for the operator to steal equity.
Chaang-Noi: mp, i was told if we deposit 1000 btc on mpex we get a free account. true or not?
mircea_popescu: Hi there, I would like to start correspondence with you, i have seen your profile and i'm very interested. I'm looking for loyal, romantic and intelligent guy for serious relations.
BitHub: that's cheating spamming whore
mircea_popescu: I dunno dood. she signs "Respectfully yours, Tanya" and her email is Sorokian83@yandex.ru
BitHub: don't let her go bro, follow your heart
mircea_popescu: "[WTB] $ Get Me a Digital File(s) From the Internet $ johnniewalker"
mircea_popescu: gotta love this stuff. asicminer/bitfountain dropped the ball on handling their shares ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps the next company learns to be less retarded from this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00074766 = 7.5514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.0007476 = 0.4486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00610823 / 0.00637054 / 0.00637777 (37300 shares, 237.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00578039 / 0.00624256 / 0.00638999 (351758 shares, 2,195.87 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00601894 / 0.007395 (6807830 shares, 40,975.93 BTC)
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4194032.01349 based on data since last change | 4324654.12955 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.1199 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.00849 = 0.1528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.00849 = 0.0679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20845732 = 208.4573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23388811 = 233.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26266949 = 262.6695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 8 @ 0.27533866 = 2.2027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 992 @ 0.29501916 = 292.659 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi what you're probably thinking about is the fact that if you trade worth somethign like a few k's worth you make your mpex reg fee back out of the fees difference.
BitHub: who will document these beautiful creatures?
Chaang-Noi: mp it was something your pr girl told theymos
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that was strictly an offer related to his forum moneyz.
mircea_popescu: like a one off sort of thing. (he missed out on it too)
Chaang-Noi: just wondering, i passed up the free account with no string attached anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda found why he was doing that with the forum moneies, he wanted to do fraction reserves...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.0906 = 0.1812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: from what i recall you got really hot and bothered because you missent something like a 1 btc
Chaang-Noi: i passed it up cuz i assumed an exchange with high fees would never work, and other than s,dice that seems to be true, and i think s.dice is way to high and i would not ahve invested in it anyway.
BitHub: my lawyer advised me to not use mpex
Chaang-Noi: lol, why did you waste your lawyers time? what did you really think he would say?
Chaang-Noi: what lawyer anywhere would think an unregistered stock exchange in fake internet money was a good idea??
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as it's fake internet money, what diff does it make.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20812111 = 208.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23354686 = 233.5469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26232486 = 262.3249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29467593 = 294.6759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.68 = 5.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20807672 = 208.0767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23350323 = 233.5032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26228253 = 262.2825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29463549 = 294.6355 BTC [-]
error4733: can some1 can explain thids for me please ?
error4733: still a noob for this kind of stuff
mircea_popescu: but i guess the person is probably going for the psychological 50
error4733: what the name of this order ? (needed for google)
error4733: thanks ;) i told you i'm a noob hehe
mircea_popescu: dude if we have a new max in feb and break 50 in march...
gribble: There are currently 38136.24 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 1443933.18817 USD in total.
gribble: There are currently 18088.055 bitcoins offered at or under 37.0 USD, worth 641235.039706 USD in total.
mircea_popescu: mil and a half. somehow it doesn't look like much at all.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20803246 = 208.0325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23345974 = 233.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26224033 = 262.2403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29459517 = 294.5952 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: If its that other big fish, it will prob tank within 24 hours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0063777 = 63.777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.646 = 17.442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.646 = 12.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6455 = 1.9365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6452 = 1.9356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.6451 = 7.7412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.642 = 22.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0063777 = 31.8885 BTC [-]
error4733: ? i'm still drunk ? those order should normlay got a [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.642 = 12.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.665 = 4.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20799254 = 207.9925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23342052 = 233.4205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 18 @ 0.262 = 4.716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 982 @ 0.26220227 = 257.4826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29455881 = 294.5588 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00000027 / 0.00000041 / 0.00000045 ( shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 ( shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: so the more people factor this OIX into their decisions, the more it manifests it's own value
mircea_popescu: ok so, the low is put oix, the high is call oix, the avg is mixed oix.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 26.99890377 / 41.78034705 / 44.6280476 (no shares, 8,354.47 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well possibly. i think it's not heavy enough yet to trade.
mircea_popescu: maybe a decent idea for a PT, but i'd be loath to introduce it to mpex, have someone dump 5k on it
mircea_popescu: when itself it's only based on like 8k atm and may at any time zero out even
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20795276 = 207.9528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23338143 = 233.3814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26216435 = 262.1644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29452258 = 294.5226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually it would prolly make a wunderbar hedge for anchoring tyhings like ltc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in a sense. it takes the bot out of the offer market, so he might be able to offer them back at w/e price suits him
ThickAsThieves: i think there's a lot of potential for playing ltc assets and ltc in general against btc
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely you'd make a oix bet that's too big in ltc, because ltc is kinda small.
ThickAsThieves: even a 5000ltc buy at the right time of day sways the price for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20790871 = 207.9087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23333813 = 233.3381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26212234 = 262.1223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29448245 = 294.4825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20734514 = 207.3451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23274072 = 232.7407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26148834 = 261.4883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29382066 = 293.8207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20730639 = 207.3064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23270264 = 232.7026 BTC [-]
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 642 @ 0.26145139 = 167.8518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 697 @ 0.29378535 = 204.7684 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so now i should call in some recent people i transacted with to get some ratings in there right?
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!ThickAsThi@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net . User thickasthieves, rated since Sat Mar 2 08:19:18 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thickasthieves assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.6 = 14.4 BTC [-]
jurov: _;;rate ThickAsThieves -10 welcome
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: in the push receipt, quantity will be split with a thousands separator right? like 1`456`231 ?
topace_: Your order to push 1xS.DICE ...etc
topace_: ah k thanks. just /[0-9]+/ then?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : you can test push by pushing to your own account
topace_: im _almost_ ready to do a test :)
mircea_popescu: it person is like "yes, you said no separators there because people may want to use it programatically"
topace_: well programatically i wouldnt care, just need to konw one way or another
topace_: no difference between /[0-9`]+/ and /[0-9]+/
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 30 @ 0.3 = 9 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: I don't know the story, but if the fees are disclosed in the terms and he didn't read or agree to them, then tough hash.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.0007476 = 5.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00074398 = 1.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6799 BTC [+]
mjr_: whats new everyone?
topace_: just finishing my mpex->havelock push code
topace_: looking for testers soon :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7794 @ 0.00074398 = 5.7986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41791 @ 0.00073993 = 30.9224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00073886 = 3.285 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00002, Best ask: 34.09012, Bid-ask spread: 0.09010, Last trade: 34.09012, 24 hour volume: 45679.51468007, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 34.01969
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
mjr_: is there a unicode character for bitcoin yet?
jurov: someone used faucet to annoying end?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4446 @ 0.00075672 = 3.3644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23938 @ 0.00075673 = 18.1146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00075712 = 7.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14713 @ 0.00075713 = 11.1397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8427 @ 0.00075999 = 6.4044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37974 @ 0.00076 = 28.8602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 502 @ 0.000763 = 0.383 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, mpex.co is still unavailable from here
Bowjob: now where is that mpoe havelock pt
jurov: maybe i fell into their new anti-ddos filter :(
mircea_popescu: "Evernote resets all passwords after user information stolen in security breach"
jurov: maybe they decided to start one... it's too specific and long-standing to be some routing issue
jurov: mircea, can you pls ask the datacenter or at least give me their email?
jurov: or whoever might be responsible
jurov: "You’ve found Pe fuga …"
mircea_popescu: try ditching your dns service provided by yiour isp and use google instead for a day
jurov: look into the traceroute i put yest, if the ip is correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.56 = 3.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.56 = 4.68 BTC [-]
mod6: just got this huge problem fixed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.55 = 6.2 BTC [-]
mod6: damn grails app was shitting the bed.
kakobrekla: in the news ...Bit4X Affiliate program
kakobrekla: its not taken away, you just dont have the right to withdraw it before that
kakobrekla: costs nothing to register unlike in your case
mircea_popescu: "To protect against the situation where someone deposits, gets the bonus and immediately withdraws this offer is only valid for accounts which trade at least X"
error4733: what is the last div for asicminer ?
Bugpowder: you could have the bonus vest after x days or y trading volume
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Options Index (^OIX) price sentiment indicator hits all time high ($42.66 / BTC) (self.Bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: Bitcoins price sentiment at a bearish weekly high, still twice as many believe in higher prices within 6 months. You agree? (self.Bitcoin)
Bugpowder: Yah that dude has a little internet vote button
mircea_popescu: it's one of those cases where his point is like the puss in a zit
mircea_popescu: you're sure it must be in there somewhere, but you really don't want to dig it out
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.35 = 2.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you're up 12 votes now, and check ouit the comment
jurov: too just looking on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.675 = 1.35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with a little luck the comment'll get more upvotes than the article itself
Bowjob: aight. my electrum wallet doesnt work wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00075923 = 12.1477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1262 @ 0.00075924 = 0.9582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10457 @ 0.000763 = 7.9787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076342 = 7.6342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00076508 = 10.9024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00076655 = 8.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00076844 = 7.6844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6799 = 1.3598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00076944 = 8.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.2674139 = 173.819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 27.06923527 / 42.61596516 / 44.80704907 (no shares, 12,332.19 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.19001, Best ask: 34.24800, Bid-ask spread: 0.05799, Last trade: 34.24800, 24 hour volume: 40994.03888350, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.96591
Bugpowder: I just wonder how much of the tracking of it to BTC price is due to the MPOE bot's algorithm vs. true market sentiment
Bugpowder: there is, of course, a limit to how far a put or call imbalance can push the OIX
Bugpowder: also, have you examined its predictive power?
mircea_popescu: actually, there was a point where the oix was pushed to like 90
Bugpowder: whatever you call the option market making bot
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i think miodterm. i think it was on an otherwise empty book someone buying some weird far out call
Bugpowder: like at this time horizion out, even a 100-0 call put ratio can only push the OIX so high dependent on the call price
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Is the OIX the like CO2? A trailing indicator?
mod6: ahh, its in the vwap now :)
Bugpowder: you, or someone (or me) should look at it's predictive power
Bugpowder: is there historical option trade data available?
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if you promise to write a good statistical analysis and publish it i'll send you the ~300 datapoints on that graph
Bugpowder: Let me consult with my statistical wizard friend
jurov: to me it looks more just glorified call/put sold ratio
Bugpowder: of course if there IS predictive power
jurov: because most of calls have same breakeven point, puts likewise
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the thing is, my bet is that there is predictive power of arbitrary precision for contiguous subsets
mircea_popescu: it'd only be fair in the fucked sense that term takes in any natural science/
jurov: i found them being +- 1BTC
mircea_popescu: draw the graph if you will, it's a symetrical butterfly.
jurov: so,i remember wrong again.. maybe i considered just narrower range
mircea_popescu: O.BTCUSD.C290T = 0.32626257 ; O.BTCUSD.C590T = 0.06210314
mircea_popescu: there's a very speciffic=looking graph of the options breakeven points if you calc them all out
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.06157 U.S. dollars = 26.1649793 Euros
mircea_popescu: looking at it roughly : A totally took a bite of concrete, B sort of predicted something, but muchkly exaggerated.
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.02000 U.S. dollars = 26.1330466 Euros
Bugpowder: A lot of the option purchases occur when there is a large divergence between realtime spot price and 24hprc
Bugpowder: in which case, we might be able to say (the spot price predicts future 24hprc)
Bugpowder: as filtered through options purchases.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.10101, Best ask: 34.20462, Bid-ask spread: 0.10361, Last trade: 34.02000, 24 hour volume: 40252.89496290, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.88000, 24 hour vwap: 33.95090
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the difference is small, yet i just sold 80% of the month's book
Bugpowder: that big option buy today is the exception that proves the rule
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: many times it was the case that large buys didn't match the theory
mircea_popescu: moreover, there was a huge differential for days till yest
mircea_popescu: well it was a good theory, but i don't think it meets the data so far
Bugpowder: well MY options purchases occur during divergence periods
mircea_popescu: but sometimes you made and sometimes you lost on that strategy
mircea_popescu: so in short i doubt the short term anything but weakly predicts the vwap
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 94 @ 0.002125 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.12900 U.S. dollars = 26.2167768 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7549 @ 0.00077 = 5.8127 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: love getting SMS from localbitcoins.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7382 @ 0.00077 = 5.6841 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.6 = 9.6 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: just waiting for coins to go up a bit more...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.674 = 13.48 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm just engrossed deep into taming mktdepth data to be used in google spreadsheet
jurov: since namworld failed in that
jurov: or he just exhausted all time in making pretty background, dunno
Anduck: remove 30btc fee and make it point + click
Anduck: and preferable drag&drop too
jurov: also, existing coinbr users may want to put their referral link there... but i may as well keep these 0.2% to myself :P
Bugpowder: I liked the previous one 100,000,000% more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.00610825 = 0.6719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00610824 = 3.0541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00610823 = 0.6108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1747 @ 0.00601401 = 10.5065 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.00501, Best ask: 34.12401, Bid-ask spread: 0.11900, Last trade: 34.12401, 24 hour volume: 37039.65816349, 24 hour low: 33.15000, 24 hour high: 34.80800, 24 hour vwap: 33.87769
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to play path of exile with my all-female clan. bbiab.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00073887 = 11.8219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5554 @ 0.00073886 = 4.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96 @ 0.00073315 = 0.0704 BTC [-]
jurov: fuck, i forgot to run monthly fee :D
Bugpowde_: Wonder how much time he spent on that
thestringpuller: You are my favorite scientist atm. Bill Nye ain't got nuttin on you.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.71002991 = 60.3525 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.64837795 = 145.885 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.58814383 = 264.6647 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.52952177 = 357.4272 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.47272814 = 385.2734 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.41800212 = 284.2414 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.36560587 = 162.6946 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 295 @ 0.31582454 = 93.1682 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.26896955 = 28.2418 BTC [+]
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 28.20780706 / 40.92334054 / 44.82313733 (no shares, 14,082.43 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no?
jurov: it should have no regard where the options come from
jurov: anyway based on my spreadsheet shenanigans, the breakeven point is a bit different from real profitability
jurov: from 44.80704907 -> 44.82313733
jurov: avg is the middle number? ah yes
Bugpowde_: Inhibitor23 reddit comment reeks of mp writing it
Bugpowde_: I never answer questions that end with "discuss"
Bugpowde_: Such a presumption that the question is worth discussion!
TradeFortress: Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
jurov: TradeFortress ask topace he's doing pt
thestringpuller: "mircea, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't confuse coinbase and coinlab. you'd also have invented antigravity and a time machine, but that's beside the point." - whatcha have to say about that mr. popescu?
gribble: Error: "id" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: jurov: is my account just inactive? I don't have to register and blah blah blah aain no?
jurov: you don't have to do anything. but it's good to check just in case
denialdenial: i havve a new nick so waht want to fight about it
jurov: i remember paying out s.bvps to someone who has withdrawn everything (perhaps thinking he'll avoid monthly fee which isn't the case)
jurov: ;;dox denialdenial
gribble: Error: "dox" is not a valid command.
jurov: as long as there's anything on your account (even if you have 0 btc), you pay
thestringpuller: congratulations! the first BTC Debt account ever created by moi cause I'm never logging back in if that's the case har har har
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 24 @ 0.20220992 = 4.853 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller, i went to extra hassle to intimidate poor namworld into paying out
jurov: and this is the result. in the future i'll just terminate the asset without any recompensation >:D
mjr_: thanks for following me :)
jurov: and refer everyone to thestringpuller :D
mjr_: you are bets of bitcoins right?
mjr_: thought that was a nickname for bbet
jurov: thestringpuller, srsly. so you want to wipe the acct completely?
mjr_: yes, i see they are two different sites now
mjr_: hey jurov, sorry i am negative, should i liquidate a position or can we wait for s.dice dividends?
mjr_: i thought they would be in by now
jurov: they will be anytime till March 5
mjr_: k, if that is too long i can liquidate mpoe
mjr_: or i will just fund some more
TradeFortress: prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th
mjr_: yeah, i'll fund some more, should be in by tomorrow morning, hopefully i can scoop up some more s.dice too lol
mjr_: TradeFortress: pretty sure they will just cut it off at the 28th and the rest goes toward next month
mjr_: i know that whole group is on a trip at the moment
mjr_: but from what i saw on a forum post, it seems they had a good month
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i do split and short sell, that sell is counted in, no? << no. bot's sales only.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller : that's nice, my antigrav unit is humming quietly in the basement. now what ?
mircea_popescu: <TradeFortress> prehaps it's because S.DICE wants bigger dividends this month so they're delaying it until the 5th << that's not how it works, divs are for feb
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.006296 = 0.2392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: EDIT: I found a formula which is almost correct for WEIGHT > 3000, it is:
mircea_popescu: Reward = TOTAL * 0.99 * MY_BET * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0) / Sum_all(winning_bets * SQRT(LOG(WEIGHT))*WEIGHT^(1/6.0))
mircea_popescu: "This is awesome! I didn't even know such an exchange existed."
jurov: maybe that dude ran critticall over bbet data
mjr_: lol, this is the best irc channel ever
mjr_: someone should really make a tv show about bitcoin...the drama lol
mjr_: note to self: start writing pilot based on bitcoins
mjr_: pilot episode for people to watch and decide to buy a season
mjr_: not that i have ever done that
mjr_: but hey how hard can it be right lol
mjr_: maybe go straight to netflix or something
jurov: i recommend it to involve satoshi building it all only for him be able to raise money for clay mugs workshop and troll around
mjr_: you know what they say...
mjr_: the man who does what he loves never works a day in his ligfe
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the funny life of this guy who lives with like, 5 chicks.
mjr_: if anyone wants to see a really crappy website, feel free to check out btcshares.com
mjr_: its basically just a placeholder
jurov: and judging from the photos, never wear hair
mjr_: except for all the copying and pasting
mjr_: that is the service i provide
mjr_: a place to donate bitcoins to me
mjr_: which is extremely annoying to me
mjr_: like i said, placeholder
mjr_: i worked on all the backend stuff today
mjr_: tomorrow i try to do design stuff
jurov: data-address="1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX"
mjr_: but i set up twitter, email, admin stuff...and got the website online
jurov: i stole ya address
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress just jabbing at you re your forum encounter
mjr_: oh for the donate button?
mjr_: yeah, well, i included that only to try it out
mjr_: and cuz i wanted to get the btcshares label for an address
mjr_: although maybe i will try to get a vanity address
mjr_: i made that site in under an hour just to test switching domain stuff and getting dns in order
mjr_: like 5 min might be more accurate as far as design and aesthetics
mjr_: i plan on just hosting my performance and financials there
mjr_: i am not as of yhet
mjr_: how do you establish trust though?
mjr_: i am not going to trade at all
mjr_: i just use exchanges
mjr_: oh, i am getting $ clients
mjr_: people who know about bitcoins probbably can figure it out for themselves
mjr_: but old people with cash can't
jurov: mjr_ if you use coinbr you can ask me to look up. i'll then rate you like "-10 did not pay coinbr monthly fee"
mjr_: although to be fair i paid most of it so far
mircea_popescu: mjr_ lisrten, that's half of the story. what do you do with the bitcoins ?
mircea_popescu: so suppose one day you loan some shares out to someone
mjr_: hopefully lend them
BitHub: i currently do this for older or newb people as well
mjr_: and i will probably eventually need a seat on mpex
BitHub: i charge a 10% helpers fee
mjr_: i also have a mining operation getting under way
mjr_: but not little puny ones
mjr_: hoping for 10GH per card
BitHub: make sure you try ordering from BFL labs today
mjr_: start with 3 cards...not the best, but still half an avalon almost
mjr_: way larger than spartans or altera's
mjr_: hoping for 10gh per
mjr_: maybe overly optimistic
mircea_popescu: but if used and a good price i guess may be a good deal
mjr_: free and sitting around
jurov: mjr_ there's sometimes a good deal on -otc too, i got amazon codes, small paypal payments and like
mjr_: 3 of those, plus maybe one virtex 5 if worth it
mircea_popescu: he has a point. also, you'd think i'd never trade. yet recently i got like a dozen sa gift certs.
mjr_: anyways, i have 3 small projects and one big one
jurov: the bitch ain't one
mjr_: the fpga miners, the boutique hedge fund, and a bitcoin horseracing sitte
mjr_: the big one...is big
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:651ee0e4570cc2d14ea53173c276c5bce82d794a92202d3779ffbf90
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 too much stuff to list. inquire within.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 3 to 5.
gribble: You rated user nefario on Tue Sep 25 02:55:21 2012, giving him a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: runs a scammy btc securities exchange . associated with the bitcoin consultancy scammer group..
gribble: You rated user davout on Sat Dec 8 05:09:24 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central.net paymium etc.
jurov: mjr_ do you know about glbse? he was its owner
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 3.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 180 @ 0.006296 = 1.1333 BTC [-]
mjr_: asicminer is from there right?
mjr_: just starting to get everything back together from what i read
mjr_: mircea do you ever use btc-e?
mjr_: or anyone else for that matter...
jurov: mjr_ only for small litecoin trades
gribble: You rated user jurov on Fri Sep 28 03:13:37 2012, giving him a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: runs coinbr.com, MPEx broker website.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4.
mjr_: lol nice $17 spread
mjr_: i switched to dollars
mjr_: oh i get what you mean
mjr_: very small dollar volume
mjr_: ah yeah, their euro book is a lot better
mjr_: well yeah, but better than dollar for sure
mircea_popescu: but they seem to me more trustworthy than anyone else on the strength of actually getting the bank partnerships right
mjr_: well, i hope to change that
mjr_: working on an aggregated order book...and then hopefully a routing and matching engine
mjr_: that is the big thing
mjr_: hoping to get a big source of volume soon
mjr_: open up a new market
mjr_: and need to provide a steady access to all markets to convince them
mjr_: that is basically what my company already does for equity markets in US
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00996 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
mjr_: buy from this dark pool, sell on that one
mjr_: so if someone would just do that for btc it would make everyone's lives a lot easier
mircea_popescu: you can probably handle it on otc if you know the rifght people
mircea_popescu: which is what makes your wot suddenly crucial for your success.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.008299 = 0.0581 BTC [-]
mjr_: well, its all about automating it
mjr_: well, my partner is working on the order flow
mjr_: and we already have some sick back end infrastructure
mjr_: data center colocation etc
mjr_: and some really nice enterprise level matching engine and algorithmic trading unit
mjr_: can i work on it tomorrow?
mjr_: if you guys are around?
jurov: tomorrow is sunday, we're closed
mjr_: i mean, what address should i use?
mjr_: should i maintain a separate one for business and personal?
jurov: mjr_ i think most of us have one common address/privkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.66 = 9.9 BTC [-]
jurov: and it isn't clear to me why/how would you want to manage separate webs of trust
mjr_: i mean as long as i run my business it would be important for me to have a high wot rating
mjr_: but if i were to leave...i couldn't leave it to someone else
BitHub: is your business pandering hard to the community or mainstream?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.0007449 = 8.29 BTC [+]
BitHub: then i wouldn't worry about WOT so much
mjr_: well, still important
mjr_: even from marketing perspective
BitHub: mainstream have no clue about it
mjr_: but you know how people list stuff on websites
mjr_: and i may need to do stuff using otc
mjr_: but would rather my corporate persona was the one who had the trust
mjr_: i don't plan on doing a lot personally
BitHub: don't get caught up in a rating war tho
BitHub: could be damaging to business rep
mjr_: like i said, i haven't used otc yet
mjr_: and maybe i might toy with it
mjr_: but i want computers to deal with stuff like that
jurov: we'll see how it goes. dunno if there was anyone who maintained corporate persona on wot
mjr_: the matching engine and such
mjr_: yeah, i kind of like how it is very personal here
BitHub: better off having a customer feedback thing on your site or osmething
BitHub: quotes from mainstream professionals
mjr_: well, as i said, my goal is to be a layer between a big mainstream source and a bunch of exchanges
BitHub: "wow this site is really good" Mark Cuban
mjr_: ideally the mainstream end users wouldn't even be aware of me
BitHub: +1 yeah we had a good trade - BitHub
mjr_: there are some companies that have 20-30k accounts
mjr_: and all those guys do is trade forex
mjr_: but they would need a STRONG source of liquidity
mjr_: and the best bids and asks
BitHub: BitHub is currently building infrastructure, investing and networking within the Bitcoin community and the Mainstream to bridge the two together to provide a very straight forward, trustworthy, professional services.
mjr_: and enterprise level hardware with some big financial people behind it
mjr_: yeah that is the goal right
mjr_: i have been disheartened by how hard it is for people on wall street to get in the game
mjr_: traders at my firm have half a mill to play with at work
BitHub: isn't it about to get alot easier for them
mjr_: yeah...believe it when i see it
BitHub: or tell your wall street buddies to buy into a bitcoin company
mjr_: not to mention...it would just be a mt gox pass through
mjr_: they don't own their positions
mjr_: and they trade with high leverage
BitHub: that's where you come in my friend as a Bitcoin Broker and you do it for these people and charge them a broker fee
mjr_: they couldn't invest outside of work
mjr_: but they can't press buttons to make bitcoins appear on their screens
BitHub: outsource some helpers from china
mjr_: and till someone makes it so that you can use etrade (def not what we use) or like a sterling or laser type platform
BitHub: they don't need to, they just go to your site, type in a code or whatever and can see their balance
mjr_: professional traders can't get involved
mjr_: i mean, their accounts with their money can't connect to my website
mjr_: and it isn't really their website
mjr_: they get to trade with 20x or more leverage
BitHub: cant you set up your own bank account and get these people to dump the fiat in there?
mjr_: but they leave all that at the office
BitHub: and then you make the bitcoin buys for them?
mjr_: basically they have to use their trading accounts
mjr_: and their trading accounts connect to nyse, nasdaq, edgea, edgex, bats etc
mjr_: so they can buy stuff from there
jurov: mjr_ have you seen bit4x.com or 1broker.com ?
mjr_: and that is how most of finance is
BitHub: so you need a bitcoin platform that can kind of plug into that exisiting platform?
BitHub: because they're using their coporate trading accounts
mjr_: i need them to be able to plug in bloomberg
BitHub: which is like really big money
mjr_: if they open up their own accounts it might be 500
mjr_: their professional accounts might be over 1 mill
mjr_: traders don't do it at home
mjr_: but again typically with their 401k or their investment account
mjr_: the goal for me is to not make them open up a new account
BitHub: hmmm follow the coinlab stuff
mjr_: but rather give them something to buy with their existing accounts
BitHub: maybe you can act as a broker for them via that site
BitHub: so they only have to deal with you
mjr_: too long; didn't read: wall street professionals don't open up new accounts for all their trades, they use their existing high margin accounts
mjr_: that's the goal for the platform, plug into existing infrastructure
mjr_: and become the gateway for that infrastructure to the bitcoin world
BitHub: but the exisiting infrastructure its not like you could plug gox right into it yeah?
BitHub: there's alot of licences, government approval wallstreet approval etc etc
Ukto: BitHub: I wouldtn btoher with coinlab
mjr_: but it is mostly a matter of getting the deal
Ukto: there will be other options for gox
Ukto: before their thing hits
Ukto: trust me on this. ;)
mjr_: my point is that everyone doesn't use nasdaq to trade aapl
BitHub: we talked about it yesterday
mjr_: even though aapl is listed on nasdaq
mjr_: i can buy aapl on any one of a ton of differrent venues
mjr_: and they all have different fees, volume, prices
mjr_: so i can pick and choose
mjr_: so someone has to offer choices and volume
mjr_: its a long tough road i think
mjr_: which is why i am more excited abvout my small easy projects
mjr_: which are already coming together
mjr_: when i showed a trader what i was doing, he was like "why aren't you scalping this all day, like do it right now"
BitHub: so i dont understand the problem
BitHub: why they cant buy bitcoins using their coporate accounts
mjr_: of course they have no way of sending an electronic order
mjr_: so let's say they call me
mjr_: because they trust me
BitHub: or do an order via your site
BitHub: if you had a live chat option like i do
mjr_: and say hey, i wanna get 1000 btc right now, what kind of price am i looking at?
mjr_: let's assume i actually had the market data to tell them
mjr_: looking at all the exchanges and finding the best price
BitHub: it would probably just be based on mtgox price
mjr_: ok, well, i have to wire the money out of my account, and then i have to wire you the money
mjr_: ok see you in 5 days then
BitHub: you cant float it for him?
mjr_: but not at that amount
mjr_: and not in any way that would make me money
mjr_: the point is to be able to use the existing accounts so i don't hve to worry about their funding
BitHub: start with 1000 dollar limit maybe
mjr_: since funding is always the worst part of bitcoin trading
mjr_: mt. gox...10+ days to verify using dwolla
BitHub: let me tell you a secret
BitHub: i buy outside of mtgox and its always cheaper than the current market price at that time
mjr_: and again, they just did a trade with their own money and it didn't really relate to their job at all
mjr_: but speed is the key here
mjr_: and also, your P&L will show your account
mjr_: not what you do with some person outside of the system
mjr_: ie. you want to have this be a trade done as part of their profession, not as a side job or something
BitHub: you need direct relationships with miners
mjr_: that is the synergy with the fpga project i have going on
BitHub: or set up a seperate branch to your company that's strickly a bitcoin mining company
mjr_: if i can get the equivalent of half an avalon
mjr_: it'll be a nice little start
mjr_: but suffice it to say
BitHub: and you can start writing off equipment and electricity against your bitcoin mining company
mjr_: lol, no cost equipment or electricity
mjr_: what i am planning on doing
mjr_: and what we are working on
mjr_: is a symbol on a platform where people already trade dollars, euros, pounds and yen
mjr_: so now it is dollars, euros, pounds yen and bitcoins
mjr_: ie. i don't have to worry abourt your funding, or settlement, i just worry about executing orders against the bitcoin exchanges
mjr_: and collecting fees
mjr_: their forex company, who has said they are interested, would take care of the accounts, but they would offer one more symbol for their traders
BitHub: so you're actually working on software?
mjr_: we have a top tier software system in place
mjr_: my boss at my day job called it "a ferrari on a dirt road" lol
BitHub: sounds good and a bit crazy what you're doing, keep my updated :)
mjr_: yeah, but it basically would have like a matching engine so say account #25671 wants to buy and account #12543 wants to sell, it can match them internally, saving us the fees from mt. gox or wherever
mjr_: that is internalization
mjr_: with 30k accounts...we can prob do quite a bit of internalization
mjr_: and with volume, we can lower our rates at gox, and cut better deals with others
BitHub: just you know whatever you do, don't let those guys ruin bitcoin hey?
mjr_: i want them to see this as an introduction
mjr_: so they start using it in everyday life
mjr_: AND, if it works, get interviewed on CNBC
mjr_: my little boutique tiny hedge fund will post some amazing gains
mjr_: well...not sure, we got the software and the servers and the location
mjr_: my partner/boss is meeting with those guys for our company (day job) but also selling them on this idea (our own side thing)
mjr_: so, if our deal goes through
BitHub: yeah of course heh nyc exchange
mjr_: it is fairly reasonable odds that this other thing goes through
mjr_: providing we can deliver a stable good source of liquidity to them
mjr_: so i am mostly working on that right now
mjr_: i think its probably 50/50 at best that it'd done in a year
mjr_: depends, i am not exactly sure what the demand would be
BitHub: i'm still a startup myself trying to figure this stuff out, based in Australia / Asia check us out sometime - bithub.asia bithub.com.au bithub.biz
mjr_: but ideally, they could move large amounts of money relatively quickly and without too much slippage
mjr_: i'm definitely hoping to partner with people in some way or another in the future
mjr_: if they can provide access to markets
mjr_: i would really like to work with bitfloor since they are NYC based, but i would like to have routes everywhere
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mjr_: also i could hopefully leave orders on bitfloors books to get liquidity rebates
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 250 @ 0.006296 = 1.574 BTC [-]
BitHub: btw does anyone have any of those ASICMINER shares?
jurov: here someone was offering just few hrs ago
jurov: <TradeFortress> Selling up to 100 ASICMINER shares, pm me with offers.
mjr_: actually talked to him too
mjr_: i would love to pick up some
mjr_: lol whats funny is that that company is more like a private equity thing than public company
mjr_: people always making back room deals and stuff
BitHub: mjr i'm all about partnering up and collaboration if you want help or access to australian/asian markets in the future, lets hook it up :)
mjr_: good talking to you all
mjr_: best channel on IRC bar none
mircea_popescu: jurov for my curiosity, the guy on reddit that "couldn't waiot" till another nonfee exchange opened
jurov: maybe, he did not let me know
mircea_popescu: twitter "Why do the same people that say A baby in the womb is not life Say bacteria is considered "life" on Mars?"
mircea_popescu: me "Because there's plenty of wombs and scarcely any bacteria on Mars. Abundance cheapens."
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00643 = 0.1543 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00580008 = 5.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580007 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580006 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 38 @ 0.00580004 = 0.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00580004 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00580002 = 11.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00580002 = 29.0001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00577614 = 11.5523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00569655 = 11.3931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550002 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: maybe that ian baked got some shares to sell
Ukto: kakobrekla: he wants a large price :)
Ukto: was very high is what I was told
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00077011 = 7.7011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00077012 = 0.3851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0055 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00076144 = 1.4467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00500051 = 10.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23879 @ 0.0050005 = 119.4069 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055 = 3.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 16121 @ 0.0050005 = 80.6131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00500002 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40000 @ 0.0050005 = 200.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00500002 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500001 / 0.00529899 / 0.0063777 (116945 shares, 619.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00500001 / 0.00595337 / 0.0063799 (353812 shares, 2,106.38 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.0060038 / 0.007395 (6898878 shares, 41,419.50 BTC)
Bugpowder: Even with no whale, I think S.DICE is worth .005
kakobrekla: at least mpex is not closed on the weekend, right pizzaman1337 ;)
pizzaman1337: is that what percentage the dividend will be if the price is at 5?
Bugpowder: I also believe that the whale lives
Bugpowder: with a different address allocation strategy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: someone really wants to dump a big load
mircea_popescu: ya seems like someone putting in a wall at 50 would prolly get a good chunk
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "How you gonna choke a legend ? You don't think I want to choke people ? You can't just choke all your problems, it takes hard work. If I had my way, I'd never work. I could stay home all day watch Scarface 50 times, eat a turkey sandwich and have sex all fuckin day. Then I'd dress up like a clown and surprise kids at schools. Then I'd take a dump in the back of a movie theater and just wait til s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.66 = 2.64 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I'm gonna be sad if he drops to .004
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00077012 = 3.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5963 @ 0.00077014 = 4.5923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: quick someone by the fucking x.idiff.mar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it has one retarget till then, and it's not going up 200%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6431 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4555697.65506 based on data since last change | 4400318.08082 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "nextdiff" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: well maybe he is going to lose patience
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.643 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.642001 = 1.284 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: let's have some fun, I put 1 S.DICE buy on the book... maybe he'll take it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.00500001 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 223988 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1803 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4550550.25106 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.18222
mircea_popescu: i wonder if like 20 years from now when s.dice is like better than microsoft
Bugpowder: 500,000 shadow S.DICE shares being sold at .005
pizzaman1337: nobody is keeping track of trades, are they? Besides on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00500001 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: that cocksucker leaves 100 shares there
kakobrekla: i wanted to get mine hit and cancel it
kakobrekla: somebody placed it after me and mine leftover was hit
pizzaman1337: I wonder if the seller is in this room, watching amused
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599993 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: scalpin the mpex spread with 1sd share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599994 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: except keep the proceeds for buying ho's skimpy outfits
pizzaman1337: you need to distribute those outfits among shareholders
mircea_popescu: that's a thought, somebody trying to cause a panic to load up
Bugpowder: I dumped my dice when I figured out no whale
Bugpowder: I bought some back when I found another network of 10,000+ coins
pigeons: it probably is him cause the other 500001's were me and this one isnt
mircea_popescu: law here is you can use receipts for deductions if < 100 lei per.
mircea_popescu: so i told the waitress to split up my bill accordingly.
pigeons: i figured i'll buy at that price and take the div
Bugpowder: 69 is a restricted number on california license plates
Bugpowder: I learned this today when checking custom plates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00550001 = 0.55 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: he seems awefully well informed for not being on irc
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder pretty much the only guy with a clue outside of irc
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00996 BTC [-]
runeks: Bugpowder: yes, I was going to get H8RSGNH8, but there's a 7 character limit
runeks: mircea_popescu: I bet that wouldn't be allowed. I mean if they ban 69...
runeks: mircea_popescu: dunno. I'm just guessing.
swhitt: there was some dude that had CUN7 or something in west virginia
swhitt: crazy west virginians.
runeks: it's always west virginians
mircea_popescu: there should be a law all virginians must be named Ian
swhitt: Ian doesn't sound very west virginian
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the big deal, some dork has CUNT on his license plate. so who cares.
mircea_popescu: "yes officer, i saw it, was a pink and green 1971 pontiac with CUNT license plates"
swhitt: it's america so everyone without anything else to do decides they have to care
swhitt: and start a crusade against it
mircea_popescu: women that don't get fucked often enough and raw enough get bored
swhitt: you'd do wonderfully in american politics :)
swhitt: probably'd get ~50% of the vote
swhitt: blame it on the hanging chad
swhitt: anyone have any bets on whom one should bet ~$20k on for asic hardware (actual hardware, not shares)?
swhitt: foregoing the fact that it is still a gamble at this point
swhitt: I have a cilent or two who are interested
runeks: If I had $20k to invest in Bitcoin it wouldn't go to any ASIC company
swhitt: runeks: yeah, I said "buy bitcoin, throw some at SDICE but keep most of it in BTC"
runeks: swhitt: I think that's good advice.
swhitt: but they are interested in hashing etc.
runeks: swhitt: what do you mean? are they interested in making money or supporting the network?
swhitt: what's ltcbtc fx rate now
swhitt: the guy's loaded and wants to geek out
swhitt: plus the prospect of making money makes it more fun I guess
swhitt: 1 ltc is only 0.0024 via btc-e now...
runeks: I have a hard time believing BFL will deliver within the next two months. but on the other hand Avalon won't either, probably (for new customers). so it doesn't look too good.
mod6: that was an awesome hockey game
mod6: missed the s.dice sale 'eh
swhitt: when is the march dividend out?
swhitt: i thought it was supposed to be today.
pigeons: complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.64 = 5.12 BTC [-]
Bowjob: i cant seem to access my coins
Bowjob: When I double click on the .exe, it doesn't start
Bowjob: I'm redownloading electrum to see whats up
mod6: did you try rebooting
Bowjob: I have the seed so I'm good
mircea_popescu: "Electrum is an easy to use Bitcoin client. It protects you from losing coins"
mod6: does the process show up in the running executables list?
Bowjob: funny, I re downloaded it, doesnt open up
mod6: what if you try to execute it from the command line, what happens?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3713 @ 0.00076397 = 2.8366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 787 @ 0.00076396 = 0.6012 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “I really have no idea how money works or budgets work.”
Zedster: do you always pat yourself on the back?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.00073 = 0.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.349 = 1.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.0919 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.00999 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: last saturday john wells had no idea bitcoin even exists. this saturday he's asking his guests cogent questions about it.
mjr_: lol what up everyone
mjr_: this is too funny, every month you have people running away from s.dice's money
mjr_: quick guys they are about to pay us, sell sell sell
Bugpwoder: In a mature, efficient market, the stock price generally drops by the amount of the dividend upon dividend payout. Last two months, this anticipated drop did not occur with S.DICE.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
mjr_: in fact it drops right BEFORE dividends
Zedster: anyone aware of BTC-e having problems taking deposits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 17 @ 1.56 = 26.52 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lottoBTC read chan rules and obey them, if you wish to stay.
kakobrekla: you can also pay me 1337 btc and ill leave you alone
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.0059 = 0.5015 BTC [-]
topace_: anyone know when the sdice dividend is going ot be paid?
Eduard_Munteanu: Weird, I remember there was a list of exchanges in the topic, where is it?
mjr_: should be by tuesday the 5th i think
Eduard_Munteanu: kakobrekla: does bit4x provide a web interface for trading? I'm on Linux.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.29 = 1.45 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Eduard_Munteanu, no, you need to use MT4, you can use it in virtual machine
kakobrekla: google says its possible but i havent tested how well it works under wine
mjr_: does MT4 have an API?
kakobrekla: you can code your stuff there with MQL
mjr_: i'm working on plugging different exchanges into a smart order router/virtual crossing engine
mjr_: i'm installing it now, to play around with it, looks like a cool piece of software
mjr_: looks like a really cool app, who do you set up an account with exactly?
kakobrekla: i open live accounts in btc denomination
jurov: aka siren-maintained corporate identity xD
jurov: lol, looks even better with these rounded corners
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, what other broker is there for MPEx, other than nam's?
dub: gah what happened to rule 1 of -assets
jurov: there are also options and futures
jurov: but were not so often trade to make this type of graph usable
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, I suppose I can't see a list of assets until I deposit some BTCs?
jurov: yes, new order screen is accessible only after initial deposit
jurov: but it's the same list as mpex.co
error4733: F*** the bast*** playing less than 2000 on SDICE... 2x 15 BTC to 955 BTC
Zedster: mirc won't let me list my touring polka band
Eduard_Munteanu: Why are those options so cheap? E.g. strike price 19USD/BTC, valued at 0.566 BTC.
Zedster: every 5 mins and nothing else?
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.24860 U.S. dollars = 26.3086496 Euros
dub: Is it racist of me to ignore SebastianJu purely because I can't parse his linglinglish
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.006 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [-]
jurov: Zedster, try btct for the polka band
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00077843 = 5.449 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00076 = 0.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00077 = 0.0154 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.00078 = 0.0156 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 40 @ 0.00079 = 0.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 278 @ 0.00079 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
dub: heh just got expense report for a week long road trip with 5 friends last month
dub: more of a historic pub crawl, wine tour and whiskey binge
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 70 @ 0.00504 = 0.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0059 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: finally about to break out of this channel
Zedster: bugs gotta do whats bugs gotta do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6745 = 2.698 BTC [+]
dub: comment win: Occams Taser 3 minutes ago Now try building yourself a girlfriend...
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.34800 U.S. dollars = 26.3850054 Euros
dub: Diablo-D3: beserker punch doom style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550004 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00550003 = 3.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0055 = 3.85 BTC [-]
jurov: pre-divs sale goes on
Diablo-D3: dub: the only thing I remember from doom is the fucking lobster claw
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00999 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
dub: I wish I was a little bit shorter, wish I wasnt a baller, wish I had a girl who looked bad, I wouldnt call her?
dub: wish I had usagi in a hat with a bat and a '84 skoda
dub: the fuck is going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00076889 = 0.8842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.00077069 = 16.566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4663223.55823 based on data since last change | 4470188.64953 based on data for last three days
jurov: iDiff-E selling for 6.1 now for beliebers ;)
jurov: *no, it's iDiff-O March
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.36999 U.S. dollars = 26.4018974 Euros
Ukto: First backed asicminer shares trading live
dub: strangely that word (as much as it is worth) doesn't appear in the profile
dub: Shares total: 1 bajillion/Shares Issued: tiny fraction/Issuer may arbitrarily manipulte share value: yes
Ukto: it states that all shares are verified with friedcat
Ukto: I will get that changed
Ukto: terra went to be already tho -_-
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.002 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 84 @ 0.0019 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]
jurov: Any public votes presented by ASICMINER to all shareholders of ASICMINER may be voted on BitFunder towards a single decision by the G.ASICMINGER-PT shareholder account.
jurov: Ukto either there will be voting support or someone is due for a headache?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00581 = 2.905 BTC [-]
Ukto: supposedly there will be no public votes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00599998 = 18.8819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1853 @ 0.00599999 = 11.118 BTC [+]
jurov: better to just say shares have no voting rights
jurov: cuz trolls will be trolling inevitably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.624 = 6.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.6235 = 14.964 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6221 = 6.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0059 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000789 = 0.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.0058 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00572 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 31 @ 0.00571 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.00799 = 0.799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.002129 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
topace_: anyone want to test pushing units from mpex to havelock?
topace_: yea, to allow others to get in on the mpex->havelock arbitrage
topace_: 1) push shares to my fingerprint
topace_: 2) paste receipt into havelock website
topace_: 3) i manually approve transfer (for now)
topace_: once im sure its working well, ill remove the manual transfer
topace_: or, only require it on very large transfers
kakobrekla: i mean the question here is y u open this at all
topace_: i think there needs to be a way for people to freely move shares between mpex and the passthru's and maybe even between the passthrus themselves
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 455 @ 0.00072 = 0.3276 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Your request to push 1000 unit(s) of S.DICE to Havelock Investments has been received. Push requests are currently processed manually (so expect 1-48 hours processign time), but will be automated in the future.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 500 @ 0.00213 = 1.065 BTC [+]
topace_: kakobrekla: approved. should show in your account now
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 935 @ 0.0022 = 2.057 BTC [+]
topace_: hmm wonder what its showing for your book value? obviously it wont be able to calculate that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00249 = 0.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00249 = 0.0249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 497 @ 0.0025 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
topace_: kakobrekla: umm somethings wrong tho.
topace_: it should have given you 10 shares, not 100
topace_: think i might add bbet this week
topace_: well at least there was nothing wrong with the code, i just had the multiple set wrong.
topace_: not yet... but thats the easier of the two to code
topace_: give me your fingerprint and ill push em back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00077069 = 7.2445 BTC [+]
topace_: ill add the push back form probably tomrrow or tuesday
topace_: it'll be a push request, and manually approved on my side, same as the push in request.. at least until im sure its working 100%
topace_: gotta go vacuum now, or gf will kill me when she gets home
kakobrekla: first pusing off mpex now cleaning before the lady gets home
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.40001, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 34.40001, 24 hour volume: 12439.22704040, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.50000, 24 hour vwap: 34.12774
jurov: next door at -otc, litecoin fpga firmware is cooking
jurov: "dont fpgas go out of style as fast as CPUs do?"
jurov: just because it needs much memory. if someone figures out how to hook memory to fpga and make it fast...sky is the limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6216 = 3.108 BTC [+]
jurov: and on -dev they took on to optimize satoshidice, again :)
jurov: i wonder why i haven't seen the idea of applying hashcash to *every* transaction
jurov: like, tx won't be accepted if you didn't some little hashing yourself
jurov: asked about that yest
jurov: can't remember any concrete outcome
jurov: some discussion about optimized choosing of unspent outputs at most
jurov: i guess you'll end up having to defragment the bitbet wallet occassionally
jurov: to prevent situations
mircea_popescu: so why the fuck are they fixing other people's problems
mircea_popescu: "o, what needs to be done is too hard, o, we're too stupid, let's do something else instead"
jurov: lol, i have to make closed source wallet defrag tool.. and sell it for 1BTC. or at least accept donations
mircea_popescu: and have the same dorks whine about how you're ruining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect the reason satoshi made himself scarce was that he was getting sick of dealing with the current team of devs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.6216 = 4.3512 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6197 BTC [-]
Bowjob: LTC went up to 10 cents
Eduard_Munteanu: BTW, how do you manage shares traded on your exchange? I hear asicminer people had to do some manual bookkeeping. Do you keep an exchange-local tab?
Eduard_Munteanu: But then I suppose you can't trade shares outside the exchange.
jurov: Eduard_Munteanu, you asking mircea?
jurov: he already admitted he has girls for that
jurov: and yes, the shares don't go outside exchange. this is why we have all these passthroughs
Eduard_Munteanu: Ideally shares could work like BTC, I wonder if that's possible.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu that's not ideal. it's actually a bad idea. the horse has been discussed to death
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.61 = 3.05 BTC [-]
Eduard_Munteanu: But isn't there a crypto way to accomplish the same thing, perhaps different than BTC? You still need exchanges.
Eduard_Munteanu: If this has been discussed on the forums, I'd be glad to read those threads.
Eduard_Munteanu: Unlike BTCs, shares are by definition centralized I suppose.
mircea_popescu: (Selling was halted during the month of Feb. to change payment methods.)
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin pride averages a 70% profit. Don't you want a piece of the pie too?
mircea_popescu: who was saying they've eaten up their market earlier ? they had a point it seems
BitHub: so they're losing money each month?
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: I see the problem. Still, wouldn't an exchange / market-maker be able to eliminate all those delays for things traded within the exchange? Not sure how one'd deal with double spending if you don't wait for confirmations.
kakobrekla: the formula it seems is Income( rand() ) - 1 grand = profit
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unless the sqrt log guy has a better solution, i think you're spot on.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: yes. And committing changes to the blockchain periodically. The exchange is still pretty important, but at least you can move stuff between exchanges in a standard way.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not sure about OTC trading, but presumably you could do it manually somehow.
mircea_popescu: if you can do it automatically like topace is trying you necessarily can do it manually too
mircea_popescu: the way asicminer is playing this game makes me scratch my head.
mircea_popescu: so they're pointedly not coming to be listed on mpex, jump through the hoops and get my ok.
mircea_popescu: instead they're waiting for btct/bf/others run passthroughs
mircea_popescu: now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ?
mircea_popescu: Ukto, burnside and whoever else involved gets scammer tags ? or what ?
Eduard_Munteanu: You're saying they're intentionally delaying listing on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they're either through sheer incompetence, sheer lack of resources or by actually being frauds behave just like a fraud would.
Eduard_Munteanu: IDK, getting listed should've been negotiated even before the IPO, in my opinion. People have to have some way to buy / sell those stocks easily.
dub: sound slike something to do with selling shares
dub: which is, as we know, not how you invest!
dub: oh right, where he lists bitcoins: he is counting litecoins
pigeons: yeah as btc was going up, ltc was going down to track the dollar and stay at .07 usd rather than stay at a ratio to btc
dub: bfl realy do deserve some kind of award
dub: they should be held up as a shining example of how to fail at pr
mircea_popescu: nah, coinlab is the shining example of how to fail at pr.
pigeons: we brought bitcoin to wall street in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: "drunk whore stumbles into wallstreet bar, announces she's brining the clap to wall street"
dub: im not sure if hiring inaba or letting your userbase add content at a yourdomain.com/blog/ url IS DUMBER
dub: it took quite a few moments to decipher that I was not actually reading an official bfl blog
mircea_popescu: sooo, three chicks drank four liters of vodka in two days.
dub: I should delve into this road trip expenses sheet
dub: yes, 6 people, 6 days, 10k
Bowjob: apparently we have a new ASIC company that is ready to ship
Bowjob: this one's from hungary
BitHub: where can i place a bet that coinlab will be out of business by end of year?
mircea_popescu: BitHub on bitbet, if you can well define out of business
BitHub: well maybe not out of business
BitHub: what i want to bet on this being a huge fail
dub: theres only $633 worth of whiskey listed here, I don't think thats accurate
dub: I recall at least 4 bottles that where brought from home
BitHub: wish i live near hungary
Bowjob: if its legit, I'll fly over there to pick a couple of them
BitHub: i would sell my car today and go get one tomorrow
Bowjob: I don't know the price yet
BitHub: where everything is expensive
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought it was teh lion/bear licesning regime
dub: I heard that on the radio a few days ago, first thought 'wonder if mp shows up on irc today'
BitHub: better not touch my pet tiger
mircea_popescu: the idea that you need a permit for stuff is certainly new here
BitHub: bit of a long shot but would anyone be able to help me out and send one of those to Australia?
BitHub: customs will probably take it and start mining themselves
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You are beginning to see some of the strange contradictory nature of the asicminer people, I think, that I've been complaining about for months.
dub: why is it a mess to export?
dub: its a computer, we have been shipping these around the place for a wee while now
dub: customs can test for bombliness
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You mentioned earlier that they are behaving fraudulently-like.. This is permeating more than just the way they are handling their stocks, but elsewhere as well, and it's troubling because unethical people in their position, could conceivably have done a much larger order to start with than what they are reporting, and the attraction of doing double-spends is quite large if, indeed, the evidence is correct when
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic well, i don't know the whole thing, but from this angle it looks more like they're clueless/haven't been thinking things through/haven't slept in weeks
mircea_popescu: tho its quite possible they're ill intended too, sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would be very interested to hear from you if you discover that they aren't just clueless, but seemingly deliberately clueless.
midnightmagic: Or if you begin to make observations that suggest it is not pure ignorance.
mircea_popescu: but so far my belief is they just don't understand finance
midnightmagic: dub: And yet ngzhang is one of the most ethical businesspeople I've seen in a long time.
dub: midnightmagic: I'll assume you're being facetious?
midnightmagic: dub: I am not. ngzhang is extremely ethical, or else Icarus wouldn't exist.
dub: lets deal with teh first question, my mind is somewhat boggling
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of scummy americans, iranians, turks and eskimos in this world
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Eskimos don't like being called Eskimos. :)
dub: midnightmagic: this is the the same dude involved in avalon right? the 'we shipped' guy
midnightmagic: dub: The "we shipped and they're sitting in customs at the beginning of CNY." and also , "Geez, with all this negativity, maybe we'll just be quiet until there's actually something to talk about." guys..
midnightmagic: dub: Also the latest update, "Rest of the units will have been shipped by around Mar 10, everyone should have batch #1 in hand by about mid-March" people.
dub: pitty they're not 'here are the tracking numbers' people though really
dub: anyway, being chinese decreases ones ability to think strategically and reason counterfactually
dub: this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death
midnightmagic: If you're jerking my chain, your delivery is too dry.
dub: im not, try meeting some chinese people
dub: I hear there are a couple up your way
dub: we'll I don't but based on past discussions I think its rather unlikely
dub: you are far too empathetic for one
midnightmagic: dub: I'm at a loss here to meaningfully discuss this with you. I don't know where to start. If you're serious, I'm fairly sure we are so alien that there is basically no common ground on which to meaningfully converse for this topic.
dub: anyway, if you remove any racist overtones you have automatically inferred, it explains a lot about the comms we've seen from avalon and asicminer
dub: midnightmagic: you're gettign there, its par for the course with you (you'd make a terrible anthropologist)
midnightmagic: dub: Is it now. I'm.. glad you're paying such close attention to my activity that you think you have me pegged.
dub: midnightmagic: I don't really have time to go through this, there is quite a bit of literature out there
kakobrekla: During the BDT experience, because i was very concerned about the high interest bond and the lack of supporting high revenues i've made the decision (unethical, possibly illegal) to repurpose some of the funds raised with the IPO.
kakobrekla: Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0059 = 0.0295 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: dub: Much of the literature usually cited to conclude such things has been thoroughly debunked, so perhaps someday when you're willing to cite, after making such assertions, I'd be glad to read and evaluate such studies.
dub: midnightmagic: regarding the chinese, not your culteral naivety
dub: yes, well I'm more of an experience guy than a take debunkment at face value guy. Dorkins calls it the belief gene, though I don't really believe it exists.
midnightmagic: dub: Making negative assertions about the person you are having a discussion with is not usually productive. I'm readjusting my evaluation of your random, seemingly-connected comments post-statement.
dub: midnightmagic: its an observation grounded in experience, not a negative assertion
midnightmagic: dub: I'm fairly sure your evaluation of my cultural "naivete" is based on incomplete data.
midnightmagic: dub: Also, if you are an experience guy, then why are you pointing to external data as the foundation of your assertions rather than just your experience?
dub: midnightmagic: thats easy, it closely mirrors what I have observed
mircea_popescu: <dub> this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death << it's not genetic, it's cultural.
midnightmagic: dub: I'll presume you are aware of the notion of confirmation bias.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment. <<< ahaha epic
dub: midnightmagic: and I'f I were a victim of that would I need to have read about this before or after observing it?
midnightmagic: dub: ALl that's required is that you reject well-grounded studies that disagree with your opinion, while selecting out those studies which agree with it or reinforce it in some fashion.
dub: I guess at some point, some people like to actually form an opinion
midnightmagic: dub: Sure, course. Nothing wrong with an opinion so long as data can update it.
dub: the problem is you can likely produce data to refute any opinion as can I
midnightmagic: dub: Lots of people think that, but it is also possible to assess the quality of the data. So, IMO, no, it's not possible to find quality data which refutes any opinion.
dub: i'd like to continue this and know it looks like weasling out
dub: but im not in a meeting, on teh phone, and working to a thight deadline
midnightmagic: I'm sorry you think that. You should realise that the implication is that I am aserting my mind can be changed.
dub: and typing without looking at my screen
midnightmagic: Unlike most people, I am not interested (this time) in simply honing my ability to refute. If and when you come up with actual cites, I'd be happy to look them up. I still have fulltext research credentials at the local university.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [-]
BitHub: so what happened with sdice divs?
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <evoorhees> perfect
dub: midnightmagic: a little while ago there was a conversation where you appeared to be floored by the notion that in some locations/cultures the base assumption of a strangers actions being altruistic was false
Eduard_Munteanu: I wonder if bitcoiners are going to experiment with different governance rules / contracts than you usually see in the real world. Which is usually majority of shares.
midnightmagic: dub: I was floored by the fact that it was so *in that specific locale*.
dub: midnightmagic: its not the only time you have appeared to me to base your arguments around a world view couched in priviledged western culture
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mircea_popescu pledges to be the benevolent dictator of MPEx forever, after reading a bit through the contract.
mircea_popescu: if at least he had the guts to post something like "Same"
dub: midnightmagic: my memory of it is different, I don't think we were discussing a specific place, only the existence of such places
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect there's like five balls in three ballsacks available in the entire continental us.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, did Silk Road ever approach you? To get listed, raise money and so forth.
dub: anyway, if I don't want this PM to actually climb up my ass I need to deliver some shit so I'm closing this term
midnightmagic: dub: It is a cultural perversion of what appears to be the most successful strategy for human progress.
BitHub: take the girls up and down the river? wtf
BitHub: i thought you were talkig about your daughters or something, till i click on the pics lul wtf
Eduard_Munteanu: Hmm, you know... they also said underground resources belong to the state... wouldn't surprise me if they deem Bitcoin mining a national resource as well. :)
BitHub: lul and these girls are your friends and you just hang out wtih them?
BitHub: making a porno or something?
BitHub: i hope that's me in 5 years haha
BitHub: trying to be realistic
BitHub: it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho
mircea_popescu: srsly, girls are easy. you just have to make them feel safe they'll do anything.
BitHub: money first, then girls
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1134 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.29248665 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22360455 = 223.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19808896 = 198.089 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: BitHub> money first, then girls (this does work well)
Chaang-Noi: anyone happen to know off the top of their head how many avolons were made in batch one? or the total hashing power?
thestringpuller: based on a 500,000 NRE cost on the chips I assume there will be at least 600 total on the first "batch" of chips
Chaang-Noi: i want to know how much asic miner shares are worth
Chaang-Noi: just wonder if bfl will fail hard, are they still bumping or whatever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550011 = 5.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [-]
dub: midnightmagic: indeed, saw an interesting article about the very young having much greater altrustic tendancies which increases survival odds in an 'all the adults are dead' scenario
midnightmagic: dub: I'm trying to dig up the log because I'm curious what I was thinking at the time. I've actually grown up in a place (yes, they exist even in Canada) where one must assume the stranger is evil.
midnightmagic: dub: Do you have any more keywords for me to search on?
dub: midnightmagic: egrep -i '(dub.*eastern.*europe)' \#bitcoin-assets.log
dub: amusing false positive: 29-11-12-13:45<mircea_popescu> kakobreklaaa it's sharpie in pooper you person of dubious eastern european origin you
dub: midnightmagic: 12-12-12-20:59
midnightmagic: dub: *AWESOME* you just found for me the reference to the mpoe-pr boob pic that I've been searching for forever.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man, in that log on that day you're talking about that boobpic I've been trying to grep for forever.
mircea_popescu: you've prolly given bithub even more determination charges.
mircea_popescu: "<BitHub> it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho"
midnightmagic: dub: All I see is "[18:01:08] <midnightmagic> dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear." I guess all I can say is that's not a statement born of ignorance.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.42598, Best ask: 34.57010, Bid-ask spread: 0.14412, Last trade: 34.42349, 24 hour volume: 14866.21945414, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.21380
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 72000 @ 0.00175 = 126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00196988 = 0.9849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 555 @ 0.00196989 = 1.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1945 @ 0.00197 = 3.8317 BTC [+]
Bowjob: dice took a beating today
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.00999 = 0.3497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175879 / 0.00197 (75000 shares, 131.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00175 / 0.00177002 / 0.00197 (79299 shares, 140.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165663 / 0.00197 (127408 shares, 211.07 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 29 @ 0.0059 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I got out of dice just before it came tumbling
Bowjob: im pissed I have900 shares left..
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 70 @ 0.099 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
Bowjob: BTC is getting more and more valuable
Bowjob: and less and less people bet
maximian: less and less people bet? Doesn't look like it
maximian: Bitcoin should be renamed "Satoshi Dice presents Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: after 2 years of pretty much nothing but scam after scam after scam many feel uneasy about keeping btc invested in same place
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the guy who cashed his bank account because he wanted to count his money ? something of the sort.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7 @ 0.00077068 = 0.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 493 @ 0.00077068 = 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550001 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0059 = 4.13 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60667, Best ask: 34.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00333, Last trade: 34.61000, 24 hour volume: 14786.71661983, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22162
Namworld: mircea_popescu &/or kakobrekla
Namworld: BBET statement says 5.44167918 BTC to be distributed as dividends. On 10 million shares, that's like 54.4 satoshi per share, but MPEx shows 32 satoshi per share. What's with that?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.45894, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04106, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 15041.28017977, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22749
mircea_popescu: Namworld mpex got confused by the mistaken notion that 5mn shares are actually out
Namworld: So long as the amount shown in my stats are good. But odd for the display.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "с умопомрачительным дизайном и таким же юзабилити :)"
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Molecular. That bet paid out already
Bugpowder: There was some issues with transaction size limits, info in a triilrma post
molecular: Bugpowder, I thought it'd state the payouts on the site... rechecking, maybe I just overlooked
Bugpowder: 1mb was too small for the total transaction! Had to be split
Bowjob: The dude now has 5 of those babies
midnightmagic: Bowjob: One of their Chinese customers stripped it apart I think and took a picture.
Bowjob: when i get mine, id be making $30 a day lol
Bowjob: I just hope BFL fucks up again, just pleaseee
Bowjob: looks like avalon will deliver their promise by april 1st
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Last update said something about all b#1 orders will have been shipped by mar 10, and everyone should have them by mid- to end of march..
midnightmagic: I really never thought Avalon would beat them all to the punch like this.
midnightmagic: I threw some orders at them just for the appreciation of their work with Icarus.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's an avalon/asicminer tie so far, apparently.
Bowjob: so its avalon 1, then bfl 1.. then avalon 2?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: *technically* Avalon boxes started hashing first. :)
Bowjob: then theres this hungarian company that apparently made an asic as well
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And in the hands of actual customers..
Bowjob: hungary.. is it a safe place?
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's also a 22nm asic SOC vendor that's farming out chips to board designers.
Bowjob: yeah, yifu is interested in that as well
Bowjob: mining competition is gonna be really tough this year
Bowjob: my electricity costs are 10 cents per kwh
Bowjob: well, its 6.8 cents for the first 1350 KW, then the rest is billed at 10.12 cents thereafter
Bowjob: electricity doesnt matter at this point.. not yet anyway
midnightmagic: Bowjob: consumer wins, we just have to time our buys right..
Bowjob: its the first who gets the asic
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I suspect if we care about power consumption now, we'll end up winning in the long run. They're all priced approximately the same.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's an *enormous* wave of mining customers coming soon-ish due to the sudden tidal wave price. Getting in line at this point for summertime asic is going to be a bad move..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17 @ 0.00560002 = 0.0952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00076564 = 4.6819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00077068 = 3.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1357 @ 0.00077069 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00983 = 0.0983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.009821 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 28 @ 0.0075 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00573 = 0.573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00561 = 0.561 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.20000, Best ask: 35.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 35.30000, 24 hour volume: 28845.84682379, 24 hour low: 33.98600, 24 hour high: 35.35000, 24 hour vwap: 34.73691
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 290 @ 0.00561 = 1.6269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 319 @ 0.00561 = 1.7896 BTC [-]
Namworld: Who wants some S.DICE before the dividend arrives?
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4859710.18648 based on data since last change | 4903754.75592 based on data for last three days
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.00000, Best ask: 36.00714, Bid-ask spread: 0.00714, Last trade: 36.00000, 24 hour volume: 34856.36975002, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.15000, 24 hour vwap: 34.95547
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.595 = 1.785 BTC [-]
Namworld: price going up again and again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.595 = 7.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 555 @ 0.00594999 = 3.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 445 @ 0.00595 = 2.6478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00076784 = 5.199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1779 @ 0.00077999 = 1.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.595 = 3.57 BTC [-]
maximian: Anyone know where Erik has been travelling?
Namworld: I think he went to the Earth's core or something. Unfortunately there's no vehicle capable of reaching there and he started his journey by jumping in a volcano.
Namworld: Spouting random made up stuff.
TomServo: Isn't that the beginning of the Scientology story?
maximian: Maybe he's working on selling S.DICE to the crab people
Namworld: I thought spouting random stuff was Bitcoin's national sport.
Namworld: But apparently what I'm saying was not random at all.
mircea_popescu: "everything new in this world is the history you didn't know"
maximian: So, someone moved 10,000 BTC back into MPEx:
Bugpowder: its funny that he moved it all in instead of just 1750 though
Bugpowder: because that address is from when he withdrew 10k last time
Bugpowder: and he said on the forum that he just deposited
Bugpowder: prop up the S.DICE value post div ;-)
maximian: maybe he just didn't think about it, was in a hurry
topace: i dunno, if i was moving $350000 wort of coins, i think i'd stop to "think about it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1868 @ 0.00077999 = 1.457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00078 = 7.786 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but maybe I don't understand the backend
mircea_popescu: 13mn in third party hands on the market + 37 mn in erik's hands on the market = 50mn
mircea_popescu: +50mn which make up the golden ticket = 100mn, whole float.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31083, Best ask: 36.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12917, Last trade: 36.33499, 24 hour volume: 41528.95196789, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.50000, 24 hour vwap: 35.17091
maximian: So he still has to pay divs to the 37mn shares that aren't on the market?
Bugpowder: I new I should have waited a few more hours before buying something on bitcoinstore.com
maximian: I should say, that he hasn't sold yet
Bugpowder: the confusion may come in the Dividends box
maximian: So shouldn't last month's divs have been 10,000 BTC instead of 2,000?
mircea_popescu: maximian but last month there literally were only 10mn on the market.
mircea_popescu: mpex won't let someone pay fewer shares than actually are issued
mircea_popescu: so every time a dividend is pay you actually know the actual exact total, from the receipt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00078 = 4.68 BTC [+]
maximian: good to know. I had forgotten that the contracted allowed for evoorhees to put another 40mn shares on the market last month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00594999 = 5.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: someone declares X dividends, he'd better be able to show the cash too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00595 = 2.1123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00597999 = 11.96 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4825329.9214 based on data since last change | 4946742.16185 based on data for last three days
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is not identified.
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.70000 U.S. dollars = 28.2568525 Euros
gribble: 1 XAU = 1573.500000000000 USD = 43.0861572542 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3333 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 30 @ 0.33317 = 9.9951 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The price of a 25BTC Casascius coin > 1 Kruggerand.
Bugpowder: I should take a side by side pic and post to reddit as well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'FabianB', with hostmask 'FabianB!~ogg@unaffiliated/fabianb', is identified as user fabianb, with GPG key id 797C1106D52E79DF, key fingerprint 9B854E5F36B927C9C365F208797C1106D52E79DF, and bitcoin address 18Wnjc1fcWDboZDHNsn48URtwGaqRjPnAt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.655 = 3.275 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.65 = 10.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
jurov: you're out of options? so early in month?
ZedsterX: there goes all my shares cuz getting BTC in DK over the weekend sucks
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34499 = 1.725 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao "Budapest is known for a hub of scamming activity"
jurov: that primeasic thread starts being juicy
jurov: well, if the hungarian govt is considered, that's fair assessment
parseval: Nice, the asicminer pass-through went active
jurov: mircea, have you seen wikipedia's world penis length map?
jurov: hungary looks like a piece of africa there
dub: temptation to sell rising
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: i hope kim dotcom gets credit for inventing bitcoin
Lyspooner: he's a much more flamboyant leader than, say, gavin
ZedsterX: isn't budapest Rocco Siffredi's home?
Lyspooner: he will portray himself that way and the media will follow along
dub: idk about stupid, takes some ability to copy a business model and make buttloads off it
mircea_popescu: since they took ford's model and are currently raping the americans with it.
dub: I didn't say they were stupid
dub: I thought his new project was inventing crypto
dub: Lyspooner: what does your question relate to?
Lyspooner: it's on the bottom of the mpex list of contracts
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@12.9.242.2', is identified as user burnside, with GPG key id 990D4DB54ECDA3C6, key fingerprint 2EEB40C9DF5E25E6BD3A7BF8990D4DB54ECDA3C6, and bitcoin address None
burnside: <mircea_popescu> now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ? -- I think we would have to do the AML paperwork.
mircea_popescu: burnside i'm just saying, you are underwriting a lot of risk that you can't control.
burnside: definitely. thus the disclaimers in the contract.
burnside: I'm more worried about their competition beating them out though than I am about friedcat running off.
mircea_popescu: it's not your fault, best i can see, just asicminer acting very weird.
burnside: Yeah, I can't figure out if it's the lack of sleep, or what.
dub: what is the weird acting?
mircea_popescu: dub baiscally they choked their investors by refusing to list to the point that people out of sheer desperations made private pts
mircea_popescu: now one of the most promising ipos of the year so far has been reduced to a 70 btc opening day.
Namworld: god, why did I sold all these ASICMINER shares for 0.40 =/
dub: Namworld: want to buy some?
Namworld: I sold some time ago? Before she even said anything I believe.
burnside: tbh tho, 0.4 is still 4x what you got 'em for, no?
burnside: not a bad return on ~6 months?
ZedsterX: i want to buy some but banks are too slow
Namworld: Also if Friedcat had shares trading again after GLBSE closed you would probably have been able to buy back my ASICMINER cheap to fill that short contract.
mircea_popescu: Namworld at any point between october and january they could have listed and been tip top shape
dub: mircea_popescu: so in reality your 'acting weird' could simply be explained by, inability to strategize
dub: to me its just acting chinese
mircea_popescu: i've not fucked enough chinese girls to have a clue so far.
Namworld: Instead of lending to Amazingrando.
dub: the failure here is your preconception of normal thiking
Anduck: Namworld: how much they're paying now?
Namworld: ASICMINER already sent a first payment?
mircea_popescu: in other news, mpex db dump has been optimized to take up less space. nothing's broken, it's just naturally halfsized.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: yeah they paid 0.025 btc/share
Namworld: hmm... If you had bought back then 10k USD of bitcoins at 5 USD each for 2k BTC
Anduck: how much are they selling those shares for?
Anduck: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
Anduck: couldnt do it urself???
Namworld: and bought 20k ASICMINER (10k USD). You'd now have 20k x 0.65 BTC = 13 000 BTC worth
Namworld: or close to half a million dollar at today's prices
mircea_popescu: Namworld no. things don't scale like that. you'd have ~70 btc's worth of shares and 12930 btc worth of paper & dreams.
Anduck: i bought asicminer with all my glbse stack xD
Namworld: mircea: I'm only evaluating current trading price.
Anduck: but -really- they buy asicminer for 0.65?? =D
Namworld: As long as ASICMINER keeps up like that.
mircea_popescu: Anduck i think if you push burnside your stocks you get the pt and can trade
Namworld: You could sell part for your initial 2k BTC no problem tho.
ThickAsThieves: you can push to Deadterra on BF too, he's free, and takes 0% of divs
Anduck: nah i dont wanna trade, mp
mircea_popescu: no Namworld. if asicminer keeps up like it's currently doing it'll go to shit.
mircea_popescu: but this is a. less than dividends for most stocks b. much less than mpoe bonds etc.
Namworld: But daily interest, callable at face value anytime.
Namworld: I guess the possibility to withdraw at face value anytime is interesting enough.
mircea_popescu: we totally have to shed these paycheck loan faces off btc already
dub: Namworld: you pay interest daily? as divs oslt
blu3gr1ffon: I used to work in title loans and payday lending.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1231 = 12.31 BTC [+]
Namworld: Comes to 300 satoshi per 0.01 BTC share daily.
B0g4r7_: I always wondered what would happen if I brought in the title to my wrecked car.
burnside: wow ltc is back on the rise. Network Hash Rate 1,018.123 GH/s
B0g4r7_: If I tried at a few different loan places the odds get pretty good.
blu3gr1ffon: B0g4r7_: we did, full checks. does it run, does it go into reverse, is anything spewing.
blu3gr1ffon: then we'd give them 1/4 - 1/2 NADA value. they'd give us title
blu3gr1ffon: we housed at our associates property. tow lot.
B0g4r7_: Throw in a bail bondsman, a PI, and a debt collection agency and you've got a full house.
blu3gr1ffon: WE got into it from check cashing, so we were half-way there.
blu3gr1ffon: in house collections. nice to know a skilled skip tracer
blu3gr1ffon: course, internets makes their job easier these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: in 2001 kim dotcom bought 375,000 EUR worth of shares in letsbuyit.com and subsequently announced is intention to invest 50 million euros in the company.
Lyspooner: the announcement caused the share value of letsbuyit.com to jump and dotcom cashed out, making a profit of 1.5 million eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 661 @ 0.005501 = 3.6362 BTC [+]
dub: pretty sure he's gettign extradited from nz
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27000, Best ask: 36.27099, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 36.27700, 24 hour volume: 44153.48588405, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.37953
dub: he's on some form of bail iirc
dub: judge gave him bail after a bunch of illegal shit about his arrest surfaced
mircea_popescu: the usual "we confiscate all your money now you go ahead hire lawyers"
dub: and the lulzy.. spook dept. that isnt allowed to spy on nz citizens, didn't know he was a citizen
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02900, Last trade: 36.30000, 24 hour volume: 44219.25916777, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.38096
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.30000 U.S. dollars = 27.9488759 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00525106 = 2.6255 BTC [-]
dub: Kim is about to dump, suggset panic selling
Bugpowder: nah he is gonna pump this shit up.
Bugpowder: Now my wife's girlfriends are asking me how to buy coins.
Bugpowder: when they tip you off. Time to sell.
dub: sup, you Kim Dotcom?
mjr___: by the way, good job on the OIX mircea
mjr___: just referred my friend
mjr___: he signed up for coinbr, did the referral code and all that work out right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077308 = 6.7258 BTC [-]
jurov: but he has to fund to be able to do anything ofc.
jurov: ah, that was him. yes, it's well.
mjr___: waiting on it to verify now, i think
mjr___: haven't checked blockchain info in a few min
jurov: oh someone sent 30 yest.. so this is other one
mjr___: i'm actually on his comp right now, he prob goes by pgp
mjr___: but he hasn't talked much on this channel
mjr___: your the best jurov thanks a bunch
jurov: :) had to forward it, need to wait a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0056 = 16.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.596 = 12.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
dub: dice div come through?
kakobrekla: assbot will tell you when that happens
jurov: mircea_popescu, will you delist s.dice if erik won't make it in 3 hours?
jurov: it says before 5th
mircea_popescu: (e)The representatives of SatoshiDice solemnly promise and warrant that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
mircea_popescu: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss SatoshiDice will pay to shareholders
mircea_popescu: well... e he did, f however no. let's see what he's up to
Bowjob: I was leaning on "yes" since apparently they are getting their shit together.. now im not sure again
Bowjob: Yifu apparently bet on the BFL march bet and won a fuckton
Bowjob: he's probably the one who put up 300++ BTC
Bowjob: mhm. I thought it was you
dub: trendon shavers showing up in my linkedin cloud
dub: I have no bitcoiners on there so srsly wtfing
iz: and endorce him for pyramid marketing
dub: I must have stalked them at some point
guruvan: what's up in here - been a minute since I've been in
guruvan: ohai MP - how's things? good to see you
B0g4r7_: Does bitbet work linke BoB where they close the statement to betting if it becomes moot?
guruvan: mircea_popescu: bitbet looks pretty good - was checking it out today some
B0g4r7_: Like, suppose BFL ships March 10, will the bet still be open?
B0g4r7_: I know they won't but if they did...
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 nah, once it's clear a bet ended early they get closed
B0g4r7_: "If no product has shipped by February 28th/2013, the product shall be considered vapourware and the statement shall be ruled as draw."
B0g4r7_: I just got refunded for that one.
mircea_popescu: wtf bullshit bfl sponsored meni rosenfeld crap is this
mircea_popescu: "we're making a bet except if we lose it's really get our money back"
dub: why does only faggy shit get through bash.org mods
Bugpowder: yeah I was going to drop major coin on that bfl bet, then I read the fine print.... DRAW?
dub: none of the comedy gold I've submitted over the years has made it
B0g4r7_: "This is gold, Jerry! Pure gold!"
Bowjob: lol. Im confused now.. I want to be on blue.. but WTF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.005501 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: It's the 10% of advertised specs part that has me worried
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4900626.90236 based on data since last change | 4958374.43923 based on data for last three days
B0g4r7_: Maybe primeasic pirated Avalon's chip design.
B0g4r7_: It'd be about right for the power numbers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5951 = 2.3804 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
jurov: if avalon is really a fpga's hardcopy, baybe they just used same blob
B0g4r7_: hardcopy doesn't come in QFN.
mircea_popescu: it'd be really retarded to make asics as fpga hardcopy wtf.
Bowjob: who knows about blockhain.info here
Bowjob: they are posting the wrong totals on my account
Bowjob: it should have 195 BTC on that address, not 169
Bowjob: my electrum says 195..
Bowjob: this transaction doesnt make sense, I only spent 56 BTC here
dub: every other bash quote is from some homo efnet oper
dub: its a fucking circlejerk
B0g4r7_: Bowjob, the rest got sent to a "balance address".
Bowjob: whats a balance address
Bowjob: fyi, I only used 1 address ^
B0g4r7_: I'm not entirely clear on it. I think it happens when it needs to split funds or something.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin financial elite steals from ordinary users by redirecting some random % of some txs
B0g4r7_: It gets sent to a newly-generated address that then gets placed i your wallet.
B0g4r7_: The ppl in #bitcoin-dev would know better.
Bowjob: eh.. i dont understand lol
mircea_popescu: Bowjob it's like this : you can only spend a WHOLE input.
iz: B0g4r7_: so you had 82.308 in a single bitcoin address, and you wanted to spend 56.82.. so 56.82 goes to where you want to spend it, and then 25.48 comes back in change to one of your new randomly generated wallet addresses
mircea_popescu: like, if you have 50 btc, the next time you spend ANY btc yougotta spend the whole 50
mircea_popescu: the way this works in practice is that you send however much to who you owe
Bowjob: but.. one thing I don't get.. where is that 25 BTC sent?
Bowjob: I use electrum, only 5 addys
Bowjob: I checked the rest, I don't have them
B0g4r7_: It goes to a newly-generated address in your wallet.
Bowjob: but I can't see the address?
B0g4r7_: The addresses are hidden somehow (maybe?)
Bowjob: yes, its hidden.. umm, but my total says 200 BTC
Bowjob: so it must be here, then its hidden? wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00175 = 0.875 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28900, Last trade: 36.01100, 24 hour volume: 45723.66365557, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.42630
Bowjob: 1G6evBnvqzZ3mDoxbjWivFLVzcG9JBhfXR
Bowjob: It's in this address.. I just don't see it on my client
maximian: mircea_popescu: so evoorhees will actually have to issue a dividend of 6619BTC to cover all 50,000,000 shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maximian im not sure of the exact figure. how much did sdice make in feb ?
maximian: evoorhees wrote that he'll be paying 1721BTC, which I assume he calculated based on 13M shares, which works out to 0.00013238 per share
mircea_popescu: course most of it goes back to him i imagine, so it prolly works out to that
maximian: but yeah, a great way to verify income
Lyspooner: on bitbet, create a long-dated bet with a close to 50-50 outcome, bet both sides of it, take advantage of the early weighting part of the algorithm
mircea_popescu: you underwrite the marketmaker risk for a possible profit down the road.
mircea_popescu: im sure as more people figure out what's what there's going to be bookmaking of this sort, for everyone's benefit
Lyspooner: it's an interesting way to earn positive interest rates on deposits at the expense of later bettors
Bugpowder: This is what I did with the NFL bets
Bugpowder: Also set the ratio at the real moneyline
Lyspooner: i did something like that, where i just bought a bunch of bitcoins with money
Bugpowder: There is actually an optimal amount to rebet as well, against any bets that move the odds away from the line
Bugpowder: however rebetting only works well if you have set the time decay such that there is little or no decay
Bowjob: My prediction back in december
Bowjob: LTC is now at 13 cents.. da fuck is going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00078 = 3.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000781 = 7.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00078284 = 2.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0055001 = 3.3001 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.01300, Best ask: 36.33600, Bid-ask spread: 0.32300, Last trade: 36.01300, 24 hour volume: 46753.53869852, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45420
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.07110, Best ask: 36.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25890, Last trade: 36.07110, 24 hour volume: 46733.12002181, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.45680
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]
Bowjob: the electrum irc is useless
Bowjob: everyone there is in limbo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 5 @ 0.18595405 = 0.9298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.595 = 2.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 6,621.40925 BTC to 50`000`000 shares, 13242 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.4000101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 1.40001001 = 21.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34499 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1620 @ 0.005967 = 9.6665 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what the fucking hell it downtrends pre div and then UPTRENDS post div ?
Bugpowder: Maybe if people think he ain't gonna pay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00596998 = 2.388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00596999 = 11.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4600 @ 0.00597 = 27.462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 619 @ 0.00598 = 3.7016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 147 @ 0.00599999 = 0.882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1661 @ 0.00599999 = 9.966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.006 = 30 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00600768 = 6.0077 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7695 @ 0.00611032 = 47.0189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3536 @ 0.00620077 = 21.9259 BTC [+]
error4733: "maybe some people reinvesting divs"
ThickAsThieves: is why it always goes up after divs, it's a testament to SDICE's allure
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00500002 / 0.00587605 / 0.00620077 (53227 shares, 312.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00584889 / 0.0063799 (341165 shares, 1,995.44 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00595448 / 0.007395 (6741410 shares, 40,141.61 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 700 @ 0.0015 = 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5652 @ 0.00078628 = 4.4441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1399 @ 0.00075212 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16940 @ 0.00075072 = 12.7172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2280000 @ 0.00075 = 1710 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 96 @ 0.0059 = 0.5664 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: I wish betbet resolutions were as fast as s.dices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00620076 = 1.2402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5336 @ 0.00620077 = 33.0873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 134464 @ 0.006225 = 837.0384 BTC [+]
the_silent_wande: because I made that bet like three hours before it got confirmed, and I really want it to not be refunded.
blu3gr1f1on: it would make you a sort of magical unicorn, able to determine outcomes of user submitted gobshite bets
blu3gr1f1on: the_silent_wande: are you the last bet for 1btc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6295 = 2.518 BTC [+]
blu3gr1f1on: you should not keep coins there. buy them, and MOVE THEM.
blu3gr1f1on: great way to get your hands on them. poor way to store them.
BitHub: what happened with PrimeAsic?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12260046 = 1122.6005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 96 @ 0.0061 = 0.5856 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 564 @ 0.00617 = 3.4799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.12080012 = 1120.8001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.34499 = 2.0699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00617 = 0.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.22123, Best ask: 36.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17877, Last trade: 36.40000, 24 hour volume: 47630.33370173, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.51830
Chaang-Noi: wow.. i really should sleep more often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00075 = 25.95 BTC [-]
error4733: freeroll in 20min but need 4 players to start
Bowjob: oh , i was talking about dice
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.39746, Best ask: 36.39929, Bid-ask spread: 0.00183, Last trade: 36.39930, 24 hour volume: 47668.19097261, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.52726
BitHub: hey anyone selling BTC in AUD? yeah i've tried otc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.00078 = 0.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00196 = 0.196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.00195 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 30 @ 0.00195 = 0.0585 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 62067.62 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 6529233.27387 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.16100, Best ask: 36.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18900, Last trade: 36.39999, 24 hour volume: 46677.07588137, 24 hour low: 34.19000, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.55065
Bowjob: just an ordinary day in bitcoinland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00075 = 3.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
error4733: sorry Namworld.. i forgot about asking here... I just want so see if it's better than sealclub
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
dub: error4733: haven't been on there for a while, have they actually got players these days? used to be a ghost town
dub: I for one support any site that takes users away from micon
pigeons: he's the pro, he didn't own it
Chaang-Noi: okay, well who ever had it i think sold it
dub: oh, I stopped playing there because he's an assclown
[\\\]: micon never owned seals afaik
Chaang-Noi: when your paid pro gets business to stop playing lol
[\\\]: he was just a talking head
Chaang-Noi: i just remeber reading about seals being sold, i dont know by whom or to whom
pigeons: way to spread the facts ;)
Bugpowder: Seals is run by shady poker scammers
dub: I like this ssaCEO's style however, he's like the al swearengen of pr
Bugpowder: According to a friend who knows them from way back in poker land
pigeons: this channel is the no gossip express today
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11601409 = 1116.0141 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: ltc is not a btc assets but anyone know why it went up 100% in 1.5 days?
pigeons: kimdotcom is accepting it for mega and pirate will pay everyone back in ltc
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: same reason bitcoin has gone up 5% a day for the last several weeks.
dub: I think more likely because eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation is getting underway
pigeons: i've got one of those mugs and it is gorgeous actually
pigeons: but eskimobobs ugly mug mining operation sounds better
[\\\]: its like calling a chunk of frozen tundra greenland
[\\\]: and a chunk of beautiful land iceland
pigeons: yeah i already posted pictures maybe again later
Chaang-Noi: oh, yeah if you do send link please, thanks
dub: inb4 the mug gives you aids
Chaang-Noi: lol, are we all drunk/high on caffine today? :)
pigeons: i don't think its aids, i think maybe i just have mono
Chaang-Noi: ahh, pigeons is sick, sorry to hear that man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5815 @ 0.00074361 = 4.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11362916 = 1113.6292 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00614 = 0.0307 BTC [+]
dub: srsly though a home made out of who knows what mixture of clay, mud and the feces eskimoboob probably smears all over himself
dub: poorly glazed, porous, harbouring all manner bacteria and auto-immune disease
dub: be prepared for a slow and painful death shitting yourself inside out from dysentery
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11303376 = 1113.0338 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i been sorta watching his venture peripherally, i find the idea rather amusing
dub: well, if you are comfortable easting your cornflakes out of any random homless persons asshole then go right ahead
dub: in food hygene terms its the same thing
[\\\]: give the girl a raise
mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world, if you have no trade you're depressed, if you get trade you're worried.
mircea_popescu: dub it's amusing inasmuch as there's this new trend among the terminally retarded lefties
mircea_popescu: as fucking if a. what they did was art and b. you can make money at art w/o an elite
dub: mircea_popescu: hey if he can scrape a living out of exploiting hippies thats fine. Putting anything you plan to ingest in a home made pottery receptacle is gastric russian roulette
dub: its not my model bro
[\\\]: wait, you invested in dankbank?
dub: as long has pigeons has exploding colon insurance he'll be fine too
mircea_popescu: you know there's some vitamin that you only get by eating dirt basically ?
[\\\]: yeah, its called "vitamin stupid"
dub: firstly there's no vitamin b its a group of vitamins and you get them from lots of places
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.11124958 = 1111.2496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well really, some bacteria which unlike us can synthesize it
dub: eatign dirt is not a good idea, listeria is a very nasty way to die
dub: need vit. b? drink red bull you'll live longer
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00408 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 0.65 = 9.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 91 @ 0.00614 = 0.5587 BTC [+]
BitHub: i just got some on BitFunder
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 49 @ 0.00615 = 0.3014 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i dont know the name of that other exchange :/
BitHub: this might sound really n00b but is there a way to exchange between PT's
Chaang-Noi: you could but it would be a pain in the ass
BitHub: for example say i want an asset on BF but i only have a mpex account but i could buy an asset on BF using or leveraging an asset i have on MPEX to buy that asset on BF
Namworld: Not sure I understand what you mean...
dub: havelock has just implemented that
BitHub: i dont know like i said i'm probably being a real n00b
dub: (if I understood correctly)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074361 / 0.00075087 / 0.00078628 (2432192 shares, 1,826.28 BTC), 7D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075245 / 0.00078628 (3534723 shares, 2,659.72 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067759 / 0.00078628 (62988367 shares, 42,680.30 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.1100618 = 1110.0618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 41.20198681 / 46.0855546 (no shares, 6,242.04 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
Namworld: some S.DICE-PT available for 0.00599
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.85901, Best ask: 36.89300, Bid-ask spread: 0.03399, Last trade: 36.89300, 24 hour volume: 48595.38328206, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 36.90000, 24 hour vwap: 35.65034
Namworld: what, we're already hitting 37
error4733: not fun for me, since i start in december
Namworld: I bought in at 5 USD and 10 USD
Namworld: Haven't sold, lost them to some bad "miner"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00584168 = 0.5842 BTC [-]
Namworld: ASICMINER is selling for 6x what it IPOed at
error4733: mp : obv, i'm not like i bet my house on infinite rally
error4733: in fact yes, but it's a other question
error4733: i hope a crash for a good re entry spot
BitHub: i'm going to make a long term 100 play
BitHub: so anything under 100$ is good enough for me
Namworld: no, was lending to Amazingrando, waiting to have enough for a BFL rig. But Amazingrando never repaid.
error4733: when i should stop mining with GPU if i thinks BTC'll hit 200$ ?
dub: how much does your power cost
BitHub: so i guess PrimeAsic was fake?
BitHub: that's what i'm asking
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.82002, Best ask: 36.94000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11998, Last trade: 36.80000, 24 hour volume: 49186.53224211, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.67406
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0015 / 0.00175636 / 0.00197 (76200 shares, 133.83 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00176507 / 0.00197 (79498 shares, 140.32 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165614 / 0.00197 (128608 shares, 212.99 BTC)
mircea_popescu: bitbet bet gives them good odds of being real, but i dunno.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 1.10887536 = 415.8283 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00878 BTC [+]
dub: error4733: if you had cheap power and efficient GPUs you're good till around 100mn diff
error4733: but i want try, i think it's a good way to learn BTC
error4733: don't care about the 0.000000475 btc/day
error4733: good way also to understand altcoin, why is good, why is a scam
dub: not sure it is tbh, theres also teh heat, noise, decreased MTBF of your hardware
dub: might be fun to give it a try but I wouldn't be buying new GPUs at this point unless you plan to pwn n00bs with them on the side
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00561 = 28.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00560001 = 11.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005501 = 2.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.005501 = 1.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 19900 @ 0.0054 = 107.46 BTC [-]
error4733: no one be objective with altcoin bc they old one but hate the new one, etc
thismustb: hey guys, do you know any MT4 trading platforms that allow leverage and would let you have a live account with not that much money?
thismustb: yea thats why i went to this channel but his site says 50BTC min deposit
thismustb: that's a bit steep at current rates
Chaang-Noi: i use namecheap, can wait to pay my next bills :)
mircea_popescu: wasn't he saying something about deci bitcoin lots or something ?
thismustb: hehe i dont know, i've only traded forex before, no experience in btc yet
thismustb: i just forgot 40$ in bitcoins about a year ago. then i saw btc is at 36$ now
thismustb: i was like wow, i should just try trading that
dub: you are a fucking baller
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.80002, Best ask: 36.99960, Bid-ask spread: 0.19958, Last trade: 36.99960, 24 hour volume: 49556.91047748, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.00000, 24 hour vwap: 35.70360
mircea_popescu: that was me in mexico, eating chocolate bonbons in the street
mircea_popescu: with like, a red purse, white suit. sent it back home the agape silence could be heard across the ocean.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00616 = 0.0123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why people are buying on btct when they are 100% divs on BF
Chaang-Noi: if i used one already id not make a new account for 10 shares and just lose the 5%
Ukto: hopfully soon there will be more reasons to want one exchange over another, at least regarding the services that the exchange offers. >:P
ThickAsThieves: i have nothing against either, but i do find myself on BF more and more
ThickAsThieves: Namworld gets props for being the fastes sdice PT div payer
Namworld: I try to give dividends the same day.
Namworld: I even got the div on S.MPOE out before it was actually made
mircea_popescu: a while back the girl went on some stripper forum to give them free btc
mircea_popescu: the dilemma of cluelessness. if you give it free then it must be worthless or else you wouldn't give it for free. if you sell it then it's not worth it.
dub: on the cam girl forum
mircea_popescu: trying to go through life without a head must be painful.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.21510, Best ask: 37.34000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12490, Last trade: 37.21510, 24 hour volume: 50374.26609504, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.34000, 24 hour vwap: 35.73039
Eduard_Munteanu: I'm pondering what price should I leave a sell order at for the night.
mircea_popescu: 50 i would guess is possible, but over 100 is bubble territory.
Eduard_Munteanu: I think we've just begun attracting the Wall Street guys into it.
Chaang-Noi: it looks like to me all the bears who tried to sell are gone... we dont even get small correctios anymore
gribble: There are currently 18100.683 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 776692.059089 USD in total. | Data vintage: 67.7184 seconds
Eduard_Munteanu: You kinda get a sort of correction, but it's not much to scalp.
Eduard_Munteanu: I do try to scalp a bit though, I don't make a lot compared to the trend, but it's still something.
ThickAsThieves: i don;t under stand why some millionaire hasn't bought it into oblivion yet
Ukto: they are not millionaires for nothing. well, not most
dub: I think to be safe some millionair would need to buy a proper dev team first
dub: failure there is the biggest risk imo
Chaang-Noi: sold some btc to buy wife a truck, then made it back in one day with ltc
mircea_popescu: "As a complete aside: putting a 5mn BTC buywall @ $200 each up in MtGox might actually be the most rational use of a billion dollars currently. You'll end up with 2-3 mn BTC and the price will be permanently in the hundreds. Profit."
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: what's your background btw? Anything economics-related or not?
Eduard_Munteanu: Interesting. Mine's systems / control engineering, though I'm mostly a software dude.
ThickAsThieves: i imagine the bit time alt coins wars is a likely part of butcoins future
mircea_popescu: i was in what they called at the time a "suprareal" class in highschool. basically romania's gifted kids programme.
topace_: hey mircea_popescu you there?
topace_: any chance you can approve my withdraw so i can pay my dividends? :)
topace_: think someone was trying to be sneaky and push units from mpex->havelock to get the dividend twice
topace_: pay dividend first, THEN ill approve the push :)
topace_: i guess thats a "gotcha" for automatic push processing
mircea_popescu: course it may be a good idea to just ignore the thing and let people fleece you.
mircea_popescu: paying a 2% for new business may not be a bad deal, and besides, people value a dollar they think they stole above one they had to earn.
topace_: excellent dividend paid... g'nite
topace_: (and pending mpex push approved)
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 1 second
gribble: Current Blocks: 224327 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1464 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4826833.94454 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.50758
Chaang-Noi: we had 7 blocks in 15 mins last night...
mircea_popescu: iirc about 2 days ago we were just starting this current diff
ThickAsThieves: maybe something to do with why the diff est was so high at first
Chaang-Noi: i dont think we did 1k blocks in 2 days, thats crazy
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 22 seconds
Chaang-Noi: yeah i knew it was higher than normal but seemed pretty high even for a ballpark guess
Chaang-Noi: i saw the 7 block in 15 mins and was like shiiit...
gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 32 seconds
Chaang-Noi: its a significant site for tech type people
mircea_popescu: Jill: We hope by the time people get to alerts 5 or 6, they’ll stop. Once they’ve been mitigated, once they received several alerts, we’re just not going to send them any more alerts because they’re not the kind of customer we’re going to reach with this program
mircea_popescu: so basically pay them the 15 cents per movie that the miaa won't take.
Chaang-Noi: was their not already a bitcoin service taht did this?
Chaang-Noi: my parents in the us got rid of tv and got netflixs
Chaang-Noi: if i go back to the usa ill get google fiber
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.25001, Best ask: 37.37400, Bid-ask spread: 0.12399, Last trade: 37.37400, 24 hour volume: 51650.54746078, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.79829
BitHub: throwing cash at this thing and losing out
BitHub: tell me if you think this is a good idea
BitHub: from now till end of the year i'm not going to sell any btc and just keep buying and buying up till end of the year
BitHub: so anything under 100$ is good right?
BitHub: do we have a chance of hitting 500 onday?
mircea_popescu: well ok, but ask me for guidance about how to stuff the vagoo, not about wtf the price will be
mircea_popescu: BitHub in principle we have a chance to hit any finite ratio within a finite interval.
ThickAsThieves: if you make a bet for any pool vs BTCguild, that pool's userbase will grow
grubles: i think i just now got the reason for naming assbot it's name
grubles: just change everything to butt
grubles: it's much more politically correct
grubles: (if you google the urban dictionary definition of grubbles, that is)
ThickAsThieves: Would it be possible to definively know if someone bought the entire Gox ask wall for one moment?
ThickAsThieves: wouldn't it be represented visually on goxlive by the center line touching the right side?
grubles: you still couldnt tell if there were 100 people buying coins or 1
grubles: unless you were magicaltux
grubles: since when do stormtroopers wear sheets
grubles: everything but their stormtrooper helmet?
grubles: thats a bit ironic isnt it?
BitHub: one of your camping trips again mircea?
grubles: mircea_popescu: youre missing out
mircea_popescu: "Well I was looking for a trader to grab 5 bitcoins from for days,and this asshole pm'ed me saying he had them. I should've known better,but was desperate and time was of the essence. I really needed these 5 bitcoins for an emergency too. Anyway I gave him my mpak and receipt and he hasnt been back since (3 days)."
ThickAsThieves: he needed to save his kidnapped daughter from human traffickers, using mostly karate chops
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.65364, Best ask: 37.76034, Bid-ask spread: 0.10670, Last trade: 37.65364, 24 hour volume: 52475.05497893, 24 hour low: 34.34200, 24 hour high: 37.76034, 24 hour vwap: 35.85542
gribble: (title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
mircea_popescu: so is there anything to this story about asicminer chips blowing out like baloons or just bs ?
Chaang-Noi: asicminer has not been proven to mine over 5th
Chaang-Noi: we seem to have hit a wall and no one knows why
Chaang-Noi: this could be for 1000 different reasons
Chaang-Noi: clearly they are mining like crazy... also i expect the next dividend to be crazy
BitHub: the forum post don't look good
dub: friedcat said they were having power problems
[\\\]: why would the next dividend by crazy?
[\\\]: they've onyl paid out 30% of ipo to date and once they hit that threshold, twice as many shares will be collecting future dividends
Chaang-Noi: first dividend they took out paying off a lot of debt, i assume second dividend all debt has been delat with
[\\\]: and what about in 2 weeks when 300 avalons finally arrive?
[\\\]: and bfl starts shipping?
Chaang-Noi: i said next dividend, not in a month...
[\\\]: its whenever friedcata gets to it
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: some say thats not soon enough
[\\\]: you know, miners should be paid instantaneously
Chaang-Noi: might get changed to thursday however cuz of last week but i expect weekly and i expect this week to be like .05 maybe
[\\\]: how long did they mine before paying the first dividend?
Chaang-Noi: they got atleast 15% of the network right?
gribble: Error: "nethahs" is not a valid command.
BitHub: awww yeah i hope its .05 per share
[\\\]: 2 they mined for 2 weeks, paid debt, paid .03 div
[\\\]: so now they've mined for 1 week
[\\\]: expecting .05 is a bit much
Chaang-Noi: okay i did the math, maybe .02 is beter
[\\\]: another week, another 15% diff jump
[\\\]: another week, 300 avalons
Chaang-Noi: but if 5th gos to 12 th and 12 th goes to 60 th....
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: after .1, your div gets cut in half
Chaang-Noi: i thought batch one shipped in jan? :)
[\\\]: so it takes doubling just to keep even
[\\\]: it was never to ship in jan
Chaang-Noi: yeah the .1 get cut in half, but that money gets invested into new asics right?
[\\\]: that will cost money
[\\\]: those shares aren't the company
Chaang-Noi: im pretty happy with asicminer, and if bfl keeps failing...
[\\\]: friedcat has to get paid
[\\\]: those three own the other half
[\\\]: anyone paying .6/share is gonna take a long while to pay off
Chaang-Noi: im going to assume they keep 10% network for a year and see what that brings in...
[\\\]: who is paying 100 btc a share?
[\\\]: I've got a bunch to sell then
[\\\]: point still remains
[\\\]: anyone buying at .6 will take a while to pay off
ThickAsThieves: you dont necessarily need to "pay off" the share at all
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: throwing * a litte* away on a long bet isn't necessarily a bad strategy
[\\\]: assuming the company survives
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: aye, been there, done that ;)
[\\\]: until they can answer why they're stuck on 5
Chaang-Noi: okay assuming they only keep 105 of the network on average for a year that is .3285 in two years double that to about what it is selling for now...
[\\\]: two years in bitcoin is forever
Chaang-Noi: yeah i sold some at .6 but keeping the alst half,
Chaang-Noi: also if they get 20% on average for a eyar that is much higher
ThickAsThieves: they really should give info about what the hold up is
[\\\]: what happens when the sec decides to start investigating us holders?
Chaang-Noi: and bfl fucks up hard and they get 40%....
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi, now you're just being stupid
mircea_popescu: at these prices market will be awash in real asics this year
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi, the sec doesn't have to go to china
[\\\]: ah right, because you're untouchable
[\\\]: is that why you were pissing your pants about your passthrough?
BitHub: yay for not being USA resident
Chaang-Noi: the sec is not realisticly going to fly to china or thailand or hack my wallet...
BitHub: you know they got cia agents there?
Chaang-Noi: sec might take down a glbse like exchange that asicminer is not involved with...
Chaang-Noi: cia right now is not after btc... mostly drugs
[\\\]: you're an expert on the cia now?
BitHub: i was in a country similar to thailand
Chaang-Noi: the agents here in thailand that i know are mostly involved in the drug trafficing stuff in the north
ThickAsThieves: cia, sec no one knows shit about what will happen in those regards
BitHub: some cia agents came and got the bodies
Chaang-Noi: the sec cant do shit in thail;and or china.. thinking they can is silly
[\\\]: its not even a new concept
[\\\]: (jesus, retards, parades)
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 39 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <usagi> You won't hold the bitcoins, they will. They'll just tell you how many bitcoins you "own".
mircea_popescu: help me -assets. is he saying that like it's a bad thing ?
[\\\]: I can't be bothered to figure it out
[\\\]: its not like what he meant changes anything
[\\\]: I don't bother reading that particular forum much anymore
[\\\]: I'm not sexing someone to watch it for me ;)
mircea_popescu: help me -assets. is he saying that like it's a bad thing ?
[\\\]: lol ThickAsThieves
[\\\]: its like that 100 btc roulette from back in the day
[\\\]: everyone passed around 100 btc as if it meant something
[\\\]: then again, it was only worth about $200 at the time
[\\\]: probably not his heart..
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.87000, Best ask: 37.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 37.99000, 24 hour volume: 53627.32358050, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 37.99000, 24 hour vwap: 35.91832
[\\\]: wtf is terry gilliam
mircea_popescu: pretty soon there's not going to be any us citizens left.
Chaang-Noi: no wall until 40, and that is only 2k btc
mircea_popescu: [\\\] possibly the only american filmmaker worth the notice ?
[\\\]: he renounced his citizenship in 2006
[\\\]: way to be 6 years late
[\\\]: are you reading your news on the wayback machine?
ThickAsThieves: where would be a good place for an american to leave for?
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: I heard North Korea is nice this time of year.
[\\\]: TPB is going to base themselves out of NK
[\\\]: If you play basketball
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: got any kids?
[\\\]: you'd be pretty popular in italy soon ;)
[\\\]: serving the church
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar05 06:46:59 mtgox x8 47.4170 @ 38.08999282 USD
gribble: There are currently 6343.2892 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 250361.11051 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
[\\\]: haven't started yet
[\\\]: not before next week
[\\\]: but most likely before the end of the month
BitHub: is there a bitcoin bet for it?
[\\\]: they want a new one for the sunday before easter sunday
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.00000, Best ask: 39.01100, Bid-ask spread: 0.01100, Last trade: 39.00000, 24 hour volume: 55901.80471473, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.00000, 24 hour vwap: 36.01882
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: no wonder you want a new pope
[\\\]: I didn't realize you were kinky like that
[\\\]: I'm sure they're into that.
gribble: There are currently 16268.94 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 722719.888071 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.5782 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4749.7778 bitcoins offered at or under 40.0 USD, worth 188971.229954 USD in total. | Data vintage: 55.8562 seconds
[\\\]: <Chaang-Noi> fuck me running << that sounds a bit more than open minded
Chaang-Noi: you should see some of the shows for tourists
BitHub: getting harder to pick them these days
[\\\]: BitHub: are you sure its a girl?
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: they have to.. cia and all
Chaang-Noi: mp they will do what every you want them to do
mircea_popescu: "Vatican dismisses reports linking pope's resignation to gay conclave discovery"
[\\\]: of course they did
Chaang-Noi: the feminist bs did not happen here yet...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.99000, Best ask: 39.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 38.99000, 24 hour volume: 59388.87350464, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.20000, 24 hour vwap: 36.19533
[\\\]: meanwhile the rates on bitfinex usd keep going up
[\\\]: are there bets on how long bitfinex goes before a default?
mircea_popescu: "Canon law states that a resignation must be made freely and properly manifested and that the pope resigning must be of sound mind."
[\\\]: insane pope would probably find the wrong side of a pillow
[\\\]: according to Luke-Jr, there is no pope
[\\\]: there has been no pope for quite some time
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: lol, interesting observation
Chaang-Noi: yeah that is the first thing i saw too, crazy pope cant quit...
Chaang-Noi: but then again, i guess a pope cant really be crazy or if so gods will?
Luke-Jr: it makes sense in a way, but at the same time creates practical problems
Chaang-Noi: id geuss if the pope was crazy crazy he would just be locked in his room and they would say he is sick
Chaang-Noi: why is 39 to 40 so much slow than 38 to 39 :(
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.90000, Best ask: 38.91000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 38.91000, 24 hour volume: 61314.60667593, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.31836
gribble: There are currently 1824.2403 bitcoins demanded at or over 38.0 USD, worth 70529.8432092 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0079 seconds
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
gribble: There are currently 7610.7434 bitcoins demanded at or over 37.0 USD, worth 285610.913583 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0067 seconds
Chaang-Noi: that is just crazy, i wonder once sellers run out of coins if we dont go to $100 in a week...
Bowjob: umm guys. I wanna get rich as much as the next person but.. isn't this a little to fast?
BitHub: maybe its making up for that mtgox hack
aiball: no, this is people finally realizing the dollar is over.
Bowjob: Idk. it doesnt feel to real to me
Bowjob: and i hope u guys are right but..
Bowjob: I wrote a bullshit bull chart
Bowjob: i say bullshit because.. it wasn't bullish enough and i was just joking
Bowjob: I'll just sit this rocket out, hopefully I don't fall
aiball: next up boeing accepts bitcoin
Bowjob: wake me up when bitcoins are at least 5 grand each, then I'll be interested
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm worth over 1 bn lei, which is remarkably enough not the first time
mircea_popescu: it sounds better than it is tho. romania cut 4 zeroes in like 2004
mircea_popescu: pretty much every third guy was a billionaire before that.
BitHub: how much is that in us?
BitHub: jesus are you serious?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.80000, Best ask: 38.81100, Bid-ask spread: 0.01100, Last trade: 38.80000, 24 hour volume: 62576.26296810, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.37897
Bowjob: k guys we are crashing
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.80000, Best ask: 38.83266, Bid-ask spread: 0.03266, Last trade: 38.81100, 24 hour volume: 62580.46590463, 24 hour low: 34.37000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.37914
Bowjob: see you at single digits!
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: do you do philanthropic stuff with your wealth?
Bowjob: his PR gave this dude 10 BTC to stick a sharpie up his ass
BitHub: are you in a big mansion?
mircea_popescu: but principally helping poor tall girls through college
Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> but principally helping poor tall girls through college yeah... i know that...
Bowjob: but degrees from other countries are worth shit here in canada
Bowjob: maybe from US and UK... the rest are pretty much worthless here
Bowjob: we have doctors who drive cabs
Chaang-Noi: 2 million btc = 81 million, you dont ahve 2 million btc do you? :)
Chaang-Noi: much of this wealth must be on paper and in things that if sold out to cash would crash the market
BitHub: yeah man that's insane :) well done.
BitHub: i would be happy with just 1 million
BitHub: yeah i got about a 1 million pesos as well :P
Bowjob: im well over 1 million cents
BitHub: is 1 million baht alot?
BitHub: hehe she got some meat on her mate
mircea_popescu: anyway, i had some pix with m,y "mansion" but now can't motherfuckin find em
Chaang-Noi: 6000 baht is the average wage here so 1,000,000 baht is about 14 years of average work
BitHub: what's the bitcoin market like there?
Chaang-Noi: so yeah its okay but no, its not bill gates rich either
Chaang-Noi: there are a lot of expats who do computer work
Chaang-Noi: i think there are three small btc exchagnes in thailand
BitHub: i'll be in philippines next year
Chaang-Noi: from time to time a fourum user will call me up and be like shit, ran out of money, will you take btc...
Bowjob: bithub what are u doing there
BitHub: i'll tell you once i'm there
BitHub: good to know there's some bitcoin action in Thailand :)
BitHub: i'm in Australia myself at the moment
Bowjob: i hear they decapitate tourists in the philippines. watch out
BitHub: especially in mindanao
Chaang-Noi: mp what did you do for the school girls? :)
Chaang-Noi: btc is 40 at "rock" waht exchagne is "rock" ?
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar05 07:52:53 rock 46.9000 @ 40.00 USD
BitHub: i think mircea makes pornos
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.92087, Best ask: 38.94809, Bid-ask spread: 0.02722, Last trade: 38.92087, 24 hour volume: 63162.27334246, 24 hour low: 34.41000, 24 hour high: 39.50000, 24 hour vwap: 36.41416
BitHub: what lanuage is that on your site mircea?
gribble: There are currently 107.26203 bitcoins offered at or under 39.0 USD, worth 4182.97936833 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0009 seconds
BitHub: is it worth getting into ltc?
BitHub: been thinking about it
Chaang-Noi: altbot> Mar05 07:52:08 btc-e x4 2546.4950 @ 0.147000 USD
Bowjob: I should get back at LTC.. maybe
Bowjob: fuck me. I sold 10k LTC for like 5 cents each
Chaang-Noi: altbot> Mar05 07:57:02 btc-e 100.0000 @ 0.155000 USD
Bowjob: aight, i'll ride the LTC train again. choochoo
Chaang-Noi: yeah ltc was way undervalued, but i did not think it would pop until btc started to go down
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem with that stuff is that if i want to i can bunch up some gpu miners
Bowjob: gah my Avalon 2 looks outdated
Chaang-Noi: i assume that first annon must be asicminer as well
Chaang-Noi: i bet these are racks that are ready to go and fully done
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00073421 = 0.5139 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: did not asicminer mine on some other pool than oz??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.0051 = 2.04 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 511.39728 bitcoins offered at or under 39.0 USD, worth 19944.4939902 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34499 = 0.69 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.03475, Best ask: 39.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01525, Last trade: 39.05000, 24 hour volume: 75308.05560655, 24 hour low: 34.76100, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 37.27642
Bowjob: dont forget u guys can get 5 btc for 100 dollars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.00577 = 2.4234 BTC [+]
TradeFortress: when this limit (overall 250 btc) is reached i will have to stop. SO IF YOU WANT TO DONATE ONLY IF YOU ARE GETTING BTC IN RETURN PLEASE, PLEASE wait some time until i go through all the donations made already an state how much btc i've got left to give away (if any)**"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.65 = 3.3 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.04000, Best ask: 39.26886, Bid-ask spread: 0.22886, Last trade: 39.26886, 24 hour volume: 76899.63793808, 24 hour low: 34.77000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 37.33416
Bowjob: well the worst that can happen is you donate to a good cause
Bowjob: i donated to khanacademy, will write a letter
Bowjob: that would help btc a lot
Bowjob: make sure you send him an unaltered PM
Bowjob: I tried to gave away 1 bitcoin.. but i just go snubbed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1120 @ 0.0050999 = 5.7119 BTC [-]
bit14: someone could always donate more btc to the guy so he has more to give away :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5065 @ 0.00073421 = 3.7188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3429 @ 0.00073821 = 2.5313 BTC [+]
bit14: quick count, 48 bitcointip tips in that thread, they're not all for 5 btc but most of them are, so it's close to 250 max
Bowjob: lookit. i wanted to go to hungary too lol
mircea_popescu: TradeFortress well, checking things out beats guessing you know
mircea_popescu: so did everyone else, including asicminer, avalon, etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5851 = 1.1702 BTC [-]
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 384135.5818 USD and would take the last price down to 37.2500 USD, resulting in an average price of 38.4136 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2863474.6369 USD and would take the last price down to 16.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.6347 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 11.8681 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4128657.4952 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.1287 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 21.4781 seconds
thestringpuller: oh goodness the bubble at 42 will collapse significantly when a large horde goes to dump coins
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 87145.55081638, 24 hour low: 35.12102, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.30823
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 87145.55081638, 24 hour low: 35.12102, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.30823
Chaang-Noi: usagi he sold you them, talk to him, what can i do?
mjr__: do you guys think the dow is correlated at all to bitcoin?
Chaang-Noi: usagi i dont doubt you, but legally what can i do?
mircea_popescu: more traction than all bitcoin's historical cummulative.
ThickAsThieves: mp, can you proces deadterra's withdrawal so we can get our divs?
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he says sorry it was his fault he forgot to make the withdrawal
mircea_popescu: he got on my ignore months ago for being the fuck out of line. then ppl intervened cause oh, he's a good guy etc, he did it again within like... a day.
mircea_popescu: he can be all solid he wants, but much like gigavps he got to get it in his skull that the hierarchy is on the ground not in his imagination.
mircea_popescu: iirc arguing with me about how solid & trustworthy nefario is.
Chaang-Noi: ill say there is no proof pirate is a ponzi :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.00101, Best ask: 40.07000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06899, Last trade: 40.07000, 24 hour volume: 89799.91641713, 24 hour low: 35.20000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.39301
DeaDTerra: did MP indirectly say I have balls?
Chaang-Noi: he is still trying for my business i guess poor fail mp
DeaDTerra: I guess you can't have balls and not be ignored at the same time, you have to chose :P
Chaang-Noi: i guess he knew from the start i thought mp was fail so never was shocked when i rejected his fail
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00072612 / 0.00075028 / 0.00078628 (2480324 shares, 1,860.96 BTC), 7D: 0.0007147 / 0.00075192 / 0.00078628 (3500340 shares, 2,631.98 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00067771 / 0.00078628 (61872804 shares, 41,932.14 BTC)
DeaDTerra: dividends will come in about 12 confirms
gribble: There are currently 11532.914 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 482883.431677 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds
B0g4r7_: What's up with bitinstant? Anyone got the inside word?
JimRogers: Why is the sendto address on my wager wrong?
Chaang-Noi: i do find it odd bitinstant is down...
B0g4r7_: That's what I'm trying to find out. They've been down for days now.
B0g4r7_: "BitInstant.com is currently down due to site revisions." "We apologize for the downtime. BitInstant will be back online after the weekend."
B0g4r7_: I think this calls for a bet on whether they will resurface.
B0g4r7_: ...that someone else will write and post
B0g4r7_: ppl on btc-e are not happy.
B0g4r7_: not being able to get funds in.
JimRogers: 05-03-13 08:30 Yes 97`003 1.00000000 16fUs / 13rnD
JimRogers: i've placed multiple bets successfully
mircea_popescu: JimRogers now that's a good question. do you have autocomplete or anything else on the browser side messing up your bets ?
JimRogers: this one seemed to have gotten fucked up
mircea_popescu: a guy earlier had his browser autopick no whether he clicked yes or no
JimRogers: i have placed 9 wagers successfully
mircea_popescu: is the address wrong as in, not the one you intended to use or wrong as in, never seen it before ?
JimRogers: wrong, as in, no the "Send To" address i have used numerous times
Chaang-Noi: mp are you conected to that site in anyway other than a user?
mircea_popescu: Owner : Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar and Mircea "mircea_popescu" Popescu
JimRogers: has anyone else had their bits go to a random Send To address
Chaang-Noi: i doubt mp scammed you, fucked up mabe...
JimRogers: thats not the address i entered into the Send To
JimRogers: write I'm done wit this fucking website scam
B0g4r7_: I only started using bitbet yesterday.
B0g4r7_: I guess I could check the send-to address if I were in front of that wallet.
mircea_popescu: incidentally! the address he paid his 1 btc to is 16fUs2yD4xLyxYy6863SMX3PP8Lw1xvZog
JimRogers: should i send some coin to the address and see if i get it?
mircea_popescu: the address the payout goes to (13rnDnrH8zBAkNpxXFEyphj3EFcvDKd9Ws) is there : 18.5851316787%
mircea_popescu: well, there's relation between the two addresses, it didn't pop out of randomness
JimRogers: i don't understand the taint analysis
JimRogers: what can i do to see if those funds will end up in one of my accounts
mircea_popescu: it looks through the blockchain to see if two addresses are related.
mircea_popescu: it's somewhat improbable the two addies got 8 txs in between themselves and yet they're totally unrelated.
JimRogers: i don't understand the second sentence
JimRogers: 13rnDnrH8zBAkNpxXFEyphj3EFcvDKd9Ws
mircea_popescu: the address you paid from, and the address that's listed as beneficiary
JimRogers: is the one the gay ass website says "send to"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1326 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13717 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: JimRogers: well, the only thing i can really say is you pasted an address (which you also say you did), bitbet did no further processing as in establishing the return address. what you pasted is in the db. whats in the db is on the site. but i can do one thing - add your payout destination notification at the last step if that would help to prevent any mistakes in the future.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 18 @ 0.1372 = 2.4696 BTC [+]
JimRogers: i sent a micropayment to that address
JimRogers: hopefully it ends up in one of my accounts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [+]
JimRogers: this fucking website is lacking serious functionality
B0g4r7_: Maybe you clicked on "send to originating address" accidentally and then clicked SUBMIT.
B0g4r7_: It would be nice if the "Send bitcoins to fund the bet" screen showed the chosen payout address.
JimRogers: this fucking website needs account history
JimRogers: i put the correct "Send To" address in
JimRogers: and then sent a bitcoin to the supplied addy
JimRogers: your website registered the bet, but put a different send to
mircea_popescu: JimRogers the problem here is this : you state what you did, but we have no way of knowing it's true or false
kakobrekla: 17:47.17 ( kakobrekla ) JimRogers: well, the only thing i can really say is you pasted an address (which you also say you did), bitbet did no further processing as in establishing the return address. what you posted is in the db. whats in the db is on the site. but i can do one thing - add your payout destination notification at the last step if that would help to prevent any mistakes
mircea_popescu: the two addresses are related, and you just declared you don't control the originating address
mircea_popescu: this is very difficult to resolve because it's basically no leads
JimRogers: your website put the wrong send to
Namworld: Why don't people check their inputs before submitting?
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
B0g4r7_: Says you've left the channel.
B0g4r7_: Stop closing the window or whatever you're doing.
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: was the bitcoin address i sent the money to
JimRogers: or set the send to to the right addy
B0g4r7_: Are you sure someone doesn't have remote control of your PC?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: idk why your client would randomly leave the channel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 149 @ 0.00528554 = 0.7875 BTC [+]
JimRogers: it seems the addy 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: was the addy bit bet supplied as the bet destination address
JimRogers: seals with clubs sent 1 bitcoin to 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: the block chain doesn't recognize the transfer
B0g4r7_: So maybe you're seeing a bet that's not yours, and yours still is not confirmed?
JimRogers: seals claims to have sent last night
B0g4r7_: It took a while for my bets to confirm.
B0g4r7_: Take it up w/ Seals. If it's not in the blockchain, they didn't send.
B0g4r7_: In the future, I advise always sending from a local wallet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1851 @ 0.00528554 = 9.7835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 649 @ 0.0055 = 3.5695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.59 = 7.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5817 = 2.9085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.5815 = 4.0705 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Showing the payout address on the bet confirmation/funding screen would be nice to have.
B0g4r7_: Would help avoid mistakes.
B0g4r7_: That's good. If that can be reduced to 0.1, even better.
JimRogers: i have records of everything i have done
kakobrekla: with over 2k bets placed - yeah its preety good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5815 = 5.2335 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Your mistake was in thinking the listed bet was yours.
JimRogers: or seals is claiming a cash out happened that never happened, coincidentally at the same timing and same amount as what i sent
B0g4r7_: 1.0 BTC is not exactly a unique bet amount.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5809 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: JimRogers if its not in a blockchain on the correct address
kakobrekla: also, if addy is not used in 24hrs is not active anymore
JimRogers: so you can confirm that 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: and seals claims to have sent it to that addy
mod6: yeah, 0 tx's for that address
JimRogers: 2013-03-04 23:31 1 BTC 1AKeAYxjfcdQeGMtKTma9gsRG2i1dgMxtN
JimRogers: and if i lose the money i won't fault you guys
JimRogers: but the site could still use much more functionality
JimRogers: and perhaps binary options, instead of this weird time weighting bullshit
B0g4r7_: Srsly, consider a local wallet. You should be using one anyway.
B0g4r7_: Colloquy on OS X huh. I use that at home and don't have that issue. I run version 2.3 tho, which I think is a lot different.
kakobrekla: so you have 3 days to send the bet in since the time you requested an address
kakobrekla: once first bet is in - addy is kept active until the bet is over
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 82 @ 0.1372 = 11.2504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [+]
B0g4r7_: What happens if I bet .01 BTC, and then days later, after betting is closed, I send another 5 BTC?
kakobrekla: but i will scan the blockchain to findout how much he is getting and take half.
jurov: lol... at least it should be added to dividends, like mpex mispayments
B0g4r7_: Earlier I made a whole new "bet", when I could have just sent more to the same address.
jurov: so i can add to a bet for someone else, causing confusion and else >:D
mircea_popescu: jurov you cause confusion mostly for yourself, bitbet will just pay him
JimRogers: ok hopefully sealswithclubs can help me understand what happened to my coin
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 91 @ 0.1647 = 14.9877 BTC [+]
JimRogers: do they have an IRC room with helpful ppl ilk eyou guys?
mircea_popescu: JimRogers not afaik, bitbet is one of the few gay sites that do
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 9 @ 0.1647 = 1.4823 BTC [+]
B0g4r7_: You'll have to PM Micon, or use their "contact" email.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6499 BTC [-]
pigeons: all the good bitcoin sites are apparently
B0g4r7_: If you look, you'll see that most of the bets are more pink than blue. Definitely gay.
ZedsterX: don't know how i missed it before
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.04000, Best ask: 40.05995, Bid-ask spread: 0.01995, Last trade: 40.04000, 24 hour volume: 85295.59320849, 24 hour low: 35.99900, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.66891
JimRogers: the whole weighting system is retarded
ZedsterX: don't talk about mp's weighting
JimRogers: which time zone are the time stamps on the website?
jurov: and I'm sure someone will someday start betting site with binary futures
mod6: if it was binary would it just be like 50`000 per side?
jurov: kakobrekla, bit it isn't a bad ide to make the bets resellable
JimRogers: give me the money back someone stole
jurov: if you submit request with payout addy signature, you can chenge it
jurov: thus effectively selling the bet
B0g4r7_: Seems like an interesting idea.
mod6: wait, isn't the weighting just a time based thing -- so if you want to "sell your bet" to a third party, it still doesn't change the time when the wager was placed.
JimRogers: thats why this website is fucking gay
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't understand it tho. explain it to me like i'm JimRogers
B0g4r7_: idk how you'd implement it tho.
JimRogers: buy-sell whatever reality dictates
mod6: JimRogers: bowties are gay.
JimRogers: you can start by finding my money that was stolen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074914 = 6.3677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00074999 = 1.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00074999 = 4.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 604 @ 0.00075 = 0.453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu say you made bet with 99999 weight but you want the moeny now not wait
mircea_popescu: well, the reasons bitbet does betting correctly, rather than what you propose, are discussed there.
JimRogers: not even reading all that bullshit as its too long
JimRogers: I'm not proposing changing ur ways
jurov: so you find someone who wants it, you'll sign the request with existing payout address
JimRogers: Binary Futures are thousands of years old
jurov: and submit it to bitbet with new payout address
mod6: you want him to change it, and you won't bother to read on how it works. clever.
jurov: so the bet will now pay to the buyer
JimRogers: first my money gets eaten by ur website
mircea_popescu: JimRogers when you're done being riught read the comments too
JimRogers: now u wanna ban me cuz i make as olid suggestion
mod6: you had some site payout to a different betting site... all bets are off, check with the sender as NOTHING is in the blockchain
mod6: kakobrekla tried to help you, now kindly stfu or change the attitude.
Namworld: The blockchain is public and everyone can clearly see no transaction was ever sent to your bet's address.
pigeons: no im waiting for them to use twitter bootstrap
pigeons: bootstrap shpould randomize defaults or something
mircea_popescu: no, they should just use old tripod and myspace looks as default
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 91 @ 0.1619 = 14.7329 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.08000, Best ask: 40.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 40.10000, 24 hour volume: 83684.96974197, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.73271
ThickAsThieves: guys, can i um maybe get a bit more functionality out of BitBet?!
ThickAsThieves: like, don't change anything, but it should be better ok?
mod6: sooo.. i my mind, the weighting has nothing to do with if a bet is "binary" meaning like "over/under" or "true/false" ... the weighting is just to encourage early betting.
mod6: yeah, im re-reading that blog - he seems to fall into this category
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.581 = 2.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5809 = 8.7135 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.56 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.555 = 3.885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: my god mp bring MPEX into the 21st century with some better charts and graphics...it's like looking at a 70s movie :)
jurov: ZedsterX, shhh, that's opportunity ;)
ZedsterX: obv not if i am bitching and shouldn't be
ZedsterX: ya know i probably read that 4 times but the ADD just let it slip right on by
ZedsterX: i will checkin it out...and i was just yankin your chain
jurov: lol, even if yes, that's honour :DD
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4746628.77934 based on data since last change | 4836522.12241 based on data for last three days
ZedsterX: ok now i know he called me troll
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* it's almost like he's a made up caricature for an irc play
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* (also i imagine everything he says in no pok voice)
mircea_popescu: *MPOE-PR* this gay ass website ate my bitcoin i tell you! no send to, no (quit) ... (enter) send to at all!
ZedsterX: i do remember looking at the sierra thing....i turned out to be way too incompetent to figure it out
ZedsterX: but really no matter which chart i look at DICE is diving :P
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.0059661 / 0.006225 (233405 shares, 1,392.52 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00589302 / 0.0063799 (532527 shares, 3,138.20 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00593929 / 0.007395 (6854653 shares, 40,711.83 BTC)
ZedsterX: kakobrekla: probably nothing sir i am just unsure how to use it
ZedsterX: i have download the file...i am assuming its command line?
jurov: "most everyone" prolly got trolled by that "bitcoin's moar expensive, s.dice revenue must go down" and other nonarguments
kakobrekla: ZedsterX, do you have sierra chart installed?
kakobrekla: ZedsterX, you can run the exe with a double click, you done need to go to cmd.
ZedsterX: oops i see what i did...my bad gimme a minute
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.65 = 3.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.555 = 5.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-]
blu3gr1ffon: that unknowns one has problems. simply because blockchain can't identify a pool and all of a sudden it's unknown.
blu3gr1ffon: i mean, the largest pool could change their IPs just to manipulate the bet at the last second
dub: you could possibly game with ddos
pigeons: blockchain.info goes longer than 4 days misidentifying pools
pigeons: its just so people will start a who is the mystery miner thread
mircea_popescu: identifying anyting in bitcoin is an exercise in weighing tits.
jurov: so, i got email from coinbr customer that wanted to buy just one call and ignored the "1 BTC initial funding required"
jurov: he's prolly coing here soon
mircea_popescu: "you can estimate the health of a system by counting how often tail appears in history"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.16990, Best ask: 39.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03010, Last trade: 39.16990, 24 hour volume: 80328.52310126, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 38.96510
gribble: There are currently 11784.191 bitcoins offered at or under 42.0 USD, worth 483266.145112 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0023 seconds
gribble: There are currently 12980.381 bitcoins demanded at or over 37.0 USD, worth 492895.066255 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.8729 seconds
gribble: There are currently 7685.7263 bitcoins demanded at or over 38.0 USD, worth 295264.074332 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.3235 seconds
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00596607 / 0.006225 (230050 shares, 1,372.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0048 / 0.00588869 / 0.0063799 (527527 shares, 3,106.45 BTC), 30D: 0.0042 / 0.00593892 / 0.007395 (6852829 shares, 40,698.42 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300000 @ 0.00075 = 975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.555 = 4.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.53 = 5.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: Thick: As far as I know it always take DeaDTerra a few days.
Namworld: My passthroughs 2 weeks I think.
topace: pigeons: hows the arbitrage working for you?
topace: mpex->havelock is available
pigeons: topace: thanks for the quick service, it will work out fine as long as dice doesnt spike up before i get deposited with mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
pigeons: just testing with small amounts and of course there wasnt a large amount of liquidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.505 = 4.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.505 BTC [-]
pigeons: i have an account with everyone, even btcjam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5001 = 1.0002 BTC [-]
jurov: muhahaha bratislava hackerspace thinks about providing discount accomodation to amir/genjix... if he'll do some dish washing
jcpham: pigeons i'm laughing at you right now for the btcjam account
jcpham: no out loud though, that would be rude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.50000001 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.495 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.49 = 2.94 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: just chat in #progressbar.sk
Namworld: I would guess it's due to BTC's high price in USD. Maybe people want to cash that money out.
Namworld: Only thing I can see. S.DICE is still great as usual.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.49 = 9.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.4874999 = 7.8 BTC [-]
jurov: if they really include amir in some vip gallery, i'll definitely link ya :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [-]
Namworld: They should lend the BTC to me instead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.48 = 9.12 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 39.90000, 24 hour volume: 81687.70130217, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.02022
mircea_popescu: its interesting how the pts amplify movements. when it went to 6x on mpex it went to 7x on pt.
jurov: it depends on which
jurov: the bitfunder one is dampened instead
pigeons: less precision on the pts, since 100 = 1 on havelock at least
pigeons: and btct doesnt goout as many satoshi
pizzaman1337: Namworld: what will you be doing with the borrowed btc?
jurov: pigeons what do you need such precision for?
pigeons: i'm trying to spread fud, at least let someone agree first
Namworld: I place bids for assets I want.
Namworld: I always need capital to place bids.
Namworld: Mostly trade BTC denominated assets
jcpham: Silicon Valley Bank, a company that provides financial services to emerging growth companies, will be holding deposits of bitcoin and dollars for Coinlab. However, they will not be providing insurance for these deposits.
pigeons: i think i'd rather trust magic the gathering online exchange
jcpham: the more i read, the less i like
topace: mircea_popescu: what do you mean 50% of pt float ?
topace: we have 100% of the shares issued and trading on havelock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.47 = 4.7 BTC [-]
topace: we're at S.DICE x 1`125`000
Namworld: at least the private section. I have to republish for the public spreadsheet regularly.
Namworld: thanks for the unneeded information, kakobrekla
Guest8179: GSDPT currently has 1,4 Mill shares
mircea_popescu: "is it true that aspirin can be used as an anticonceptional ?"
mircea_popescu: "uhhh... i guess if you hold it between your knees it might"
DeaDTerra: I have 1,4 mill spread out between BF,BTCT and private deals
pigeons: DeaDTerra: you'll get used to it. try spending some time in jail
Namworld: I lost $14 getting my GSDPT pushed a few hours before the dividends... =P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well on the plus side, I saved on getting cheap shares from Bitfunder.
mod6: (11:17) < mircea_popescu> "so then... what, you just sit on it ?" << lol
topace: im actually amazed at how quickly havelocks sdice passthru adjusts to match mpex
pigeons: congrats! success! you're funds are safe! "Overall, due to major choke points and redundancies in our system, the hacker was only able to walk away with $12,480 USD in BTC, and send them in 3 installments of 333 BTC to bitcoin addresses. "
mircea_popescu: topace people must be watchin'. and since you made it easy...
topace: bitinstant got haxx0red ?
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to MPEx The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011."
topace: mircea_popescu: havelock hasnt been hacked
topace: nor has canadianbitcoins
mircea_popescu: im obviously only comparing to the other ones that were hacked
ZedsterX: safer putting "yet" on the end of the sentence
mircea_popescu: "None of your personal or transactional information has been leaked. We keep all that data offline to protect everyones privacy."
pigeons: oh you were expecting honesty about a hack?
mircea_popescu: The attacker contacted our domain registrar at Site5 posing as me and using a very similar email address as mine, they did so by proxying through a network owned by a haulage company in the UK whom I suspect are innocent victims the same as ourselves. Armed with knowledge of my place of birth and mother's maiden name alone (both facts easy to locate on the public record) they convinced Site5 staff to add their email ad
mircea_popescu: dress to the account and make it the primary login (this prevented us from deleting it from the account).
mircea_popescu: After changing this info and locking the attacker out, overnight he was able to revert my changes and point our website somewhere else. Site5 is denying any damages, but we suspect this was partly their fault.
pigeons: these hacks always coincide with "system maintenance"
mircea_popescu: a. this is why mpex model has to take over bitcoinworkd ;
mircea_popescu: b. fucking hell people need to learn to report. the good and the bad.
Lyspooner: hello, how are everyone's assets performing?
topace: bitcoin businesses just shouldnt host their sites in places like that... you need my iris scan to change anything on any of my accounts at the data center, and even if they had access t my account, they couldnt do anything with it, as the physical boxes belong to me and no settings can be changed from the datacenter admin staff without having my own system's root passwords
topace: they say their system can detect a live eye form a dead one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.469 = 0.938 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: would be one life better for you if they had worse eye decetion system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.469 = 0.938 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 45 @ 0.4681 = 21.0645 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 224416 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4771119.08352 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.23202
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 157 @ 0.00485 = 0.7615 BTC [-]
topace: drop some more, i wanna buy back in
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 840 @ 0.0055 = 4.62 BTC [-]
Namworld: Thick: if many want to withdraw to have BTC ready...
Namworld: might mean many are expecting the current BTC price to be a bubble and want to be ready to sell
Namworld: You can see very low amount of asks...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13729 @ 0.00074448 = 10.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00074218 = 3.6285 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5932 @ 0.00074217 = 4.4026 BTC [-]
pigeons: way to jinx it ThickAsThieves
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.51020, Best ask: 39.58506, Bid-ask spread: 0.07486, Last trade: 39.51020, 24 hour volume: 82491.79614755, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.07380
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 41.20198681 / 46.0855546 (no shares, 6,242.04 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ZedsterX: since its virgin territory on one really knows what to do
gribble: There are currently 7344.3475 bitcoins offered at or under 41.0 USD, worth 299081.1159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0019 seconds
Namworld: in the near future as in next 2 months
Namworld: Price would certainly crash soon afterward
ZedsterX: yeah too fast...this is too fast
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2846687.2846 USD and would take the last price down to 16.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.4669 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0103 seconds
ZedsterX: thestringpuller: i was wondering just that last night how big a chunk it would take
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 15 @ 0.00666 = 0.0999 BTC [-]
dub: hehThe URL that you are attempting to access is a potential security risk. Trend Micro OfficeScan has blocked this URL in keeping with network security policy.
dub: the first time trend has ever been useful
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.00609 = 0.0548 BTC [+]
pigeons: this is the guy who runs the esecurity assets which supposedly run a ddos prevention service
Lyspooner: but what if i want to send an order to buttplox
jurov: Lyspooner, we run our own buttplox : mpex.coinbr.com
jurov: and there are more
jurov: that will surface if needed
jurov: lol, rape with BFG... quite an overkill
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18158 @ 0.00074708 = 13.5655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816842 @ 0.00075 = 612.6315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 23 @ 0.0052 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
jurov: 816842 @ 0.00075 = 612.6315 wat
Namworld: there was another for much more earlier
jurov: i don't understand what's happening here anymore
jurov: or rather, i was thinking i understand and i was wriong
B0g4r7_: I don't know how I understand some of this stuff.
B0g4r7_: Sometimes if I take a step back and look at it, I'm like 'wat?'
B0g4r7_: "I got mah GPUs mining LTC" :step back: 'wat?'
jurov: at least you got nice heating. that's what matters.
dub: s.dice moar like s.deuce
mircea_popescu: well it's good news in any event, helps support the book.
Ukto: pigeons: that crypto-trade is by Neotrix the eSecurity assets on btct/ltc
Ukto: being in HK I believe its highly illegal there too :)
Ukto: seeing as eCurrencies are very illegal in china/hk
Ukto: there are actual laws aginst eCurrencies in china/hk
pigeons: yeah explicitly illegal now
Ukto: china MUST maintain control.
jcpham: laws are always fun when they chnge
mircea_popescu: so wait. bitcoin is a. illegal in china ; b. on some senator's deathlist in the us ; c. sorta neutral in europe.
pigeons: its moral until Luke-Jr says its wrong
jcpham: laws that are moral and laws that are cultoral have different meaning to me
jcpham: china's new law is cultural and has nothing to do with morality
mircea_popescu: you know i can bringa pretty good set of arguments that rape is cultural not moral in this scheme
jcpham: we're getting dangerous close to the idea of right vs. wrong
jcpham: that's the beauty of it, it is all arbitrary
kakobreklaaa: im just dicking around, since i sound like a tits but mean dick.
jcpham: situationally speaking the act of rape can be amoraaly wrong or culturally wrong or both
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck am i doing here, am i beheading this rapist guy or not ?
jcpham: everyone else can decide as long as i'm not raped
jcpham: once i'm raped then i have to decide
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.79000, Best ask: 39.99400, Bid-ask spread: 0.20400, Last trade: 39.99400, 24 hour volume: 83112.64777389, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.12581
jcpham: i forgot what we were talking about
jcpham: the point i was making is that rape is strictly prohibited
Ukto: financially or physically? :P
dub: remember beign raped is punishable by death in places
mircea_popescu: some places discriminate for the victim, some for the perpetrator
Ukto: and those countries usually hit the woman for cheating if married
kakobreklaaa: 21:51.52 ( mircea_popescu ) some even inssit they marry.
dub: Ukto: there was a case in dubai a while back where the wife/gf of a guy who cheated on her was jailed because she caught them having sex and three people in a room where sex is happening is a crime
mircea_popescu: that dumbass law btw is the reason i never went to dubai.
dub: yeah fuck that place
dub: the mandatory 4 years in jail for drugs thing.. when they don;t publish what drugs are illegal and frequently jail people carrying over the counter pharmacy drugs perfectly legal int eh country of origin
dub: oh you had a headache and bought ibuprofen with you? tough shit, see you in 4 years
pigeons: yes even if you are only stopping over on the plane en route to another country and never get out
pigeons: melatonin is the one that gets the press for leaving you in jail in dubai if you're travelling from Britain to australia and stop in dubia
pigeons: although if poppy seeds fall off your in-flight bagel onto your shirt you're jailed as well
pigeons: and don't forget their magic machines that can detect undetectable amounts of cannabis under the dirt clung to your shoes
mircea_popescu: the only upside is that they have two law tiers, which is nice (the us does too)
mircea_popescu: so you can go on a special "is not a mook" ticket and just do coke off model butt with the sheiks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.548 = 1.096 BTC [+]
pigeons: forein women are allowed to read if they do it in private
dub: sooner the jews and arabs nuke each other into oblivion the better
Lyspooner: i was disappointed to learn that the 1500 russians injured when the meteorite exploded above their heads were mostly treated for cuts related to broken glass
Lyspooner: that they got hit with space rocks
dub: better if they started growing tentacles
Lyspooner: tentacles probably take weeks to grow
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner si is one of the more common elements. when heated it makes glass. most meteorites that ain't metallic are obsydian basically.
iz: what's cooler, obsidian from a meteorite or obsidian from a volcano?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5489 = 2.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.53162 = 10.6324 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.01667, Best ask: 40.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17333, Last trade: 40.16999, 24 hour volume: 83584.00647079, 24 hour low: 36.00012, 24 hour high: 40.64625, 24 hour vwap: 39.14721
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 646 @ 0.00569 = 3.6757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00500001 = 9.5 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: jurov: A new motion has been posted on ASICMINER-PT i see no motion?
jurov: i have nothing wrt asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00608 = 0.0912 BTC [-]
burnside: gotta be a caching thing, one sec.
ZedsterX: i gotta run just thought ya should know
Namworld: 0.00608? Common, S.DICE-PT is like 6.5% cheaper
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00569 = 0.0854 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.53162 BTC [-]
B0g4r7_: Heya burnside. You gonna have some Startum h4wtness for us?
burnside: had a 600 second cache when it should have only been 60
burnside: I really want to get stratum going, I'm testing it via our DDoS service.
burnside: Gotta make sure it works through 'em
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.00074217 = 13.3999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00500001 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00500001 = 4.5 BTC [-]
burnside: hey all, the motion is up on ASICMINER-PT, grants 90 days no maintenance fees (in theory, should be long enough for Friedcat to get his exchange going) and also reduces the maintenance in tiers down to 0.5% if there are more than 10k shares being maintained.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.525 = 1.05 BTC [-]
dub: anyone here want 100 asicminer?
burnside: should cover all the bases, highly recommend approval, as there's no downside for shareholders.
dub: idk, what are the going for?
dub: looks like .65 on teh PTs
burnside: ours are more expensive because I had to secure a call option to get it started.
mircea_popescu: <dub> why the disparity? << because not beingon an exchange sucks.
ThickAsThieves: there are only 2 ppl selling on the PT's. INAU, and Burnside, right?
burnside: but there's benefits there too. don't have to deal with trust issues, escrow, etc.
burnside: yeah, liquidity will be much better on and exchange if you need to move fast
burnside: yeah, I think right now it's INAU's shares on BF. I'm not certain of that.
Anduckkk: how much asicminer got mining hash rate?
Anduckkk: i can sell 18 shares (asicminer) for 0.65 each
burnside: I'm hoping I can sell all 1000 in short order because it'll let me issue a small refund that'll bring the price down a bit.
burnside: with the premium on the option the shares are more expensive in lower volume
ZedsterX: burnie like the motion but ya know nice guys never win
burnside: haha, ZedsterX, I kinda like my utopian bubble.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5489 = 2.7445 BTC [+]
burnside: I hear ya, didn't get 'em at 55 tho. breakeven is around 64 if all 1000 sell
burnside: sucks, I know, but that's the option I got.
ThickAsThieves: and promo them as pnly 1% cit from divs, nor service fees
burnside: in a week when asicminer is doing 12TH and they're 1 BTC/ea the 3 weeks remaining on the option are going to look pretty nice.
ZedsterX: now if i only have 4 shares I still fall the 10000 share catergory right?
burnside: that was a prediction, I think I heard that they're doing 7.2TH today
burnside: it's how many are in the passthru total
ZedsterX: once again i was miss reading...geez its hard to be so slow sometimes
burnside: ThickAsThieves, I hear ya, but contracts are for when things go bad as much as they are for when things go good.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.56001, Best ask: 41.65000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 41.65000, 24 hour volume: 94505.95802205, 24 hour low: 36.15200, 24 hour high: 41.79000, 24 hour vwap: 39.61246
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.56001 - the oix fuckin' predicted, man!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 20 @ 0.63494 = 12.6988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2504 @ 0.00485 = 12.1444 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: like when it will start to go mainstream
Chaang-Noi: yeah that is kinda what i was thinking too, but 100,000 each is a bit high
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you didn't buy enough under 20 cause it was too expensive last month, did you.
Chaang-Noi: bitinstant still down and out with peoples money?
TomServo: I get 6 years would be an eternity for bitcoin, but that still seems...aggressive.
mod6: im suprised that's his only reponse to the trilema blog
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi they got fucked but it's not their fault and their #1 priority is security except not rly.
gwillen: Chaang-Noi: huh, did he just publish that?
gwillen: we've only been at $41.50 for like an hour
mod6: they seem extra scammy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they don't seem scammy to me, but certainly veering into the "we're 18 hear us roar" sorta attitude.
mod6: yeah, they're old than that though...and they ought to start caring about security
mod6: before they have gaping anus'
mircea_popescu: i think the perspective shift from "we're trying and so nobody should criticise us" to "w'ere doing" is really difficult for most kids
mod6: well, in my 13 years of software dev in this country, it has /always/ been: Dollars first, security when we can get to it.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to secure platforms that weren't build around security from the very beginning.
mod6: absolutly /never/ do they build shit with any security model in mind.
mircea_popescu: yea...welll... the trillions in yearly online fraud have to come from somewhere.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no i just like seeing self inflicted crashes so rich people can profiteer
mod6: its constantly bolted on the side.
mircea_popescu: dude i totally like this bitbet. wouldn't it be the laugh of all time if i end up retiring over my bitbet stock
dub: I try to give them my money but nooo, their property is a unique snowflake that is clearly worth more than people are willing to pay
Chaang-Noi: bitinstant was down, people could not get their money/btc maybe people know now but when i went to bed 8 hours ago i had no idea why
BitHub: apirl 1st bfl comes out saying it they were joking all along
mircea_popescu: they saw the foreign email, removed it and went to bed
mircea_popescu: they make no mention of what actual measures they took for the future, and don't seem to have learned anything at all.
mircea_popescu: which shrem just went on the record saying he doesn't comprehend.
mircea_popescu: so i'm thinking... best stick to smpake and d&t's services.
Chaang-Noi: well i like veer and think bitinstant is needed for btc, but that charlie guy... lol
mircea_popescu: i don't really know either two of them, tbh. never used the bitinstant thing
Ukto: erik and charlie are both very nice
Ukto: charlie has been very busy personally lately
Ukto: and erik has been out and about traveling
Chaang-Noi: that charlie guy honestly i think might be mildly retarded. he said he was scared to take money form the fbi in his thread and i was like why? are doing something illegal? he responce was the "fedral bra inspectors" i was like wtf??
Chaang-Noi: atleast they only lost 1000 btc, could ahve been much much higher
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi there was recently a rash of small arms manufacturers refusing to deal with their rogue government there
dub: erik is clearly retarded, doesn't bode well if both of them are
Ukto: fbi doing something illegal? happens. prosocutors offering compromise to get you to do illegal acts on their behalf? happens. kimdotcom? happened.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1262 @ 0.00608 = 7.673 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.05750, Bid-ask spread: 0.05750, Last trade: 42.00000, 24 hour volume: 97498.99357980, 24 hour low: 36.47000, 24 hour high: 42.50689, 24 hour vwap: 39.76206
Chaang-Noi: Ukto that is what i said, is using bitinstant an illegal act, and he would not answer me yes or no...
Chaang-Noi: Ukto he went on some childish tanget about bras to avoid the topic
Chaang-Noi: we are well into 42... i wake up and pop 41 and pop 42.. damn
Chaang-Noi: i told him i cant tell people to use bitinstant any more if he cant tell me that he does not think using it is not illegal...
Ukto: $42.68 is current high
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.47121, Bid-ask spread: 0.47121, Last trade: 42.47121, 24 hour volume: 97587.14426085, 24 hour low: 36.50000, 24 hour high: 42.68943, 24 hour vwap: 39.76494
Chaang-Noi: if it was not for all the strong bids id say this is bubble:/ but it does not look like bubble:/
Chaang-Noi: i think the sellers who were going to sell sold at 28-32 expecting to get them cheaper...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.05850, Best ask: 42.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24150, Last trade: 42.05850, 24 hour volume: 97857.41109838, 24 hour low: 36.56000, 24 hour high: 42.69000, 24 hour vwap: 39.77385
Bugpowderr: Selling a little makes me have courage
Chaang-Noi: selling a little makes my family have food and nice things...
Bugpowderr: I should deposit and buy that block at .0047
jcpham: i traded afe wbitcoinf or 800$ in amazon the other day
Chaang-Noi: mp that is lol but just a stunt, the cops will get arms
jcpham: anyways Ilaunder my money through my family
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi yeah, asciilifeform was making the same point, marketing gimmick.
jcpham: buy them the things they need
jcpham: mircea_popescu i noticed that reference btw
dub: s.duece is never bouncing
jcpham: i only had about 300 BTC stolen from me
jcpham: 1600btc if i count the interest
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1262 @ 0.00569 = 7.1808 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 1600 btc wouldn't have bought a car back in sept would it have ?
jcpham: but this time last year i mined a few hundred bucks a day
jcpham: and gave it to strangers for shits and giggles
mircea_popescu: jcpham i'm still in that phase, just, the rate supports my extravagance.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.99998, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 42.99998, 24 hour volume: 98119.15011464, 24 hour low: 36.69989, 24 hour high: 43.00000, 24 hour vwap: 39.80119
jcpham: it might have bought me a yugo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13497 @ 0.00073462 = 9.9152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34806 @ 0.00075 = 26.1045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 908 @ 0.00608 = 5.5206 BTC [-]
jcpham: i regret all the silver bullion i've bought
jcpham: i've brought in about 100 ounces
jcpham: that i payed way to much for at this juncture
mircea_popescu: my problem was, so buy 100 ounces. da fuck do i do with it now ?
mircea_popescu: i think many people love bitcoin PRECISELY because it's so ethereal.
dub: so all these librariantarians hoard metal for the econopocalypse right?
jcpham: i really hope this price finds long term support
dub: because when everyone is starving they are goign to care about silver and gold
Ukto: [20:39] <amphipod> Mar06 02:40:52 mtgox 0.4000 @ 43.00 USD
jcpham: i have some metal on hand in case i need to trade one day
dub: protip: hoard food and ammo, nobody is goign to want your shiney metal
jcpham: i like to think i have enough shiny stuff to purchase something i might need
jcpham: but what i might need i do not know
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 24 @ 0.22 = 5.28 BTC [+]
jcpham: i also have several thousand rounds of ammo
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 10 @ 0.24103982 = 2.4104 BTC [+]
jcpham: i also have plans to lock down my little island
jcpham: should shit hit the fan
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 5 @ 0.20618917 = 1.0309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23521087 = 235.2109 BTC [+]
dub: i don't understand how metal is supposed to have value when fiat doesnt
jcpham: the more i think about it the more i tend to agree
jcpham: my thoughts on metal have changed
gribble: There are currently 112.41585 bitcoins offered at or under 43.0 USD, worth 4833.88037854 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21048426 = 210.4843 BTC [+]
dub: sure you can make ammo out of metal but its probably cheaper ot hoard lead?
gribble: There are currently 14803.645 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 693447.9213 USD in total. | Data vintage: 46.9849 seconds
mircea_popescu: <jcpham> i really hope this price finds long term support << it just might. the reason is that bitcoin with large marketcap is more useful than bitcoin with low mkt cap.
mircea_popescu: <gribble> There are currently 112.41585 bitcoins offered at or under 43.0 USD, << epic.
dub: asciilifeform: you gonna sail to another country to trade with them?
dub: asciilifeform: do you know how to make a sailboat?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18844965 = 188.4497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> when a nation collapses, people from nearby (and not so nearby) places come to vacuum up the valuables. << word on that.
mircea_popescu: on the collapse of bulgaria in the 90s i went there with a truck full of cans
jcpham: mircea_popescu a lot of these numbers and amths are going to be staggering from now on
jcpham: if this 50 ish range finds support
dub: mircea_popescu: what? were they hoarding the jools in their ass?
error4733: just for crush the market to 0.003
jcpham: an egg as currency makes sense if perople are hungry though
jcpham: if i was starving i'd gladly accept an egg
mircea_popescu: a three week old egg in the summer is more of a weapon than a food item
jcpham: yeah idefinitely infuse rotten egs in the supply
dub: unless you're in china
Bugpowderr: the big sale on S.DICE just got pulled
dub: and also have a horse
jcpham: that what bernanke tells me
dub: jcpham: amm and 'turkey
jcpham: or is that warren buffet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00075 = 75 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 10 @ 0.21068324 = 2.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18863313 = 188.6331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23542766 = 235.4277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 990 @ 0.21068324 = 208.5764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 10 @ 0.23622767 = 2.3623 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there wasn't much violence at the time.
mircea_popescu: certainly less than what counts as a "quiet day" in washington dc or la.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the collapse of the serbian govt during the allied bombing didn't engender much violence at all.
mircea_popescu: direct experience shows that without a government people are pretty much doing the exact same things.
dub: just some casual genocide
jcpham: 'murica: ruining your culture with economics and technology since 1944
jcpham: mostly i blame the japanese and perl harbor for the sad state of world affairs
jcpham: i've never seen godzilla irl so...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a piece about how lincoln is the original cause america sucks.
jcpham: British colonialism is really to blame
jcpham: or the romans if we want to really point fingers
mircea_popescu: english misunderstanding of french socialism is the problem.
jcpham: that was efore my time
jcpham: i've only been around for a few hundred years
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: twitter sez "discosync.co just won $25k on stage at @Launch."
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23679642 = 236.7964 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.18982587 = 189.8259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21195868 = 211.9587 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.90000, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 100112.20743136, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 44.00000, 24 hour vwap: 39.94269
ThickAssLaptop: "and though may never have to, it's good to have options"
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 43.71874246 / 47.83958615 (no shares, 8,160.59 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 43.71874246 / 47.83958615 (no shares, 8,160.59 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mod6: I guess it could be right, have to do the calculation, but someone bought a bunch of puts @ 75
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19079917 = 190.7992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23791328 = 237.9133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21299953 = 212.9995 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 03:10:42 mtgox x88 1,000.0000 @ 44.93371459 USD
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 10 @ 0.17096796 = 1.7097 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: jesus, i go take a shit and they are gone...
mod6: 43's are gone, and the even's wern't created this month
mod6: lots of buy and holders
Chaang-Noi: amphipod> Mar06 03:03:55 mtgox x138 1,395.9533 @ 43.97145535 USD
gribble: There are currently 11448.341 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 548166.438908 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
Chaang-Noi: people are buying 1000 plus coins at a time at this price...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.06075, Best ask: 44.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.23925, Last trade: 44.30000, 24 hour volume: 101787.86062457, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.04730
Chaang-Noi: and this is with people trying to buy via bitinstant and being left out of the game...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01000, Best ask: 44.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 44.13135, 24 hour volume: 101769.80421578, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.09091
gribble: There are currently 274.49811 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 12352.4148497 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
jcpham: 3 minute trade excution reported in #bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23876878 = 238.7688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19154283 = 191.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21379583 = 213.7958 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Hm. So... I took a look at the site, but it doesn't really talk about what this channel is for. Is it just general trading talk?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 20 @ 0.29732419 = 5.9465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 60 @ 0.26660605 = 15.9964 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Sorry if the question is a newbtastical one heh
dub: its for rational discussion
mircea_popescu: but in general, it's for bitcoin securities related talk + porn.
dub: by containing rational discussion it is set apart from any other bitcoin forum
keith_hanson: mircea_popescu: haha, nice. I gave the website a shot, but... you have to admit, it's pretty light on any sort of information :P
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 44.86994706 / 48.55677484 (no shares, 9,470.06 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
dub: mircea_popescu: I don't pay much attention
Chaang-Noi: the spread at btc-e is about $2 most of the time, but they get cash in via bitinstant, and that is fail
Chaang-Noi: only way to get cash now is sell ltc for cash, lol
dub: are you folling at my expense?
Chaang-Noi: mo a but now yes, but its sill up 250% in 3 days
Chaang-Noi: fuck i cant type... mp yes, it is going down a bit now, but still well up
Chaang-Noi: 18.5 cents to 16 cents cuz cheap ass btc
ThickAssLaptop: actually when i press it just tells me how many btc i wanna buy, 18889
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23924296 = 239.243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21423593 = 214.2359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19195264 = 191.9526 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: back to 43.. atleast i get to see it trade there :)
keith_hanson: I've never understood how people arbitrage across exchanges... doesn't the transfer of bitcoins from one account to the other take hours?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.33624, Best ask: 43.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.65376, Last trade: 43.99000, 24 hour volume: 102601.01478656, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.14144
dub: I keep reading BCST instead of BTCT
dub: momentary WATing ensues
Chaang-Noi: yeah mo, im happy with anything over 25 really...
dub: im waiting for $2 again
gribble: There are currently 16666.852 bitcoins offered at or under 55.0 USD, worth 807037.068585 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.2206 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 17 seconds
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749417.28355 based on data since last change | 4789887.21932 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: you know i suspect they've not been able to keep hash within 10% for six hour straight since the beginning of the month.
mircea_popescu: either their chips keep burning or software sucks or lots of overactive cats or wtf.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i have a dead fish in the fridge that's kicking bfl's ass.
ThickAssLaptop: lots of shaking things up to mask hashing for themselves
mircea_popescu: ThickAssLaptop wait wut ? it's asicminer's business model to mine for themsleves.
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 03:42:56 btce 1.1179 @ 39.53 USD
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 43.99000, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 42.50000, 24 hour volume: 103543.75360681, 24 hour low: 36.71000, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.17722
Chaang-Noi: mp they own over half the company, i dont think they will cheat much...
Chaang-Noi: he has like 60% he is going to be one rich motherfucker
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if it ever gets to s,mpoe sort of market cap then yes.
Chaang-Noi: assuming they get 10% of the coins in one year his 60% share is about 79k btc
Chaang-Noi: just 1 year, i doubt he will need to cheat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.955 = 1.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.1921324 = 192.1324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2144312 = 214.4312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23945589 = 239.4559 BTC [+]
keith_hanson: Sorry if I keep asking basic questions, but I'm taking you up on the intelligent discussion :P I get asked a lot where the value is coming from, and the only real answer I have is the "black market"/SR. Is that the general opinion or am I misinformed?
mircea_popescu: “It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5278 = 1.5834 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.526 = 2.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5252 = 1.0504 BTC [-]
ThickAssLaptop: yes, we would like the convenience of attacking you with robots, let's keep that option open
ThickAssLaptop: we also want to wiretap so we can listen to your reaction lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.004551 = 0.4551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00444446 = 0.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444444 = 4.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7000 @ 0.0044444 = 31.1108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 13031 @ 0.0044444 = 57.915 BTC [-]
dub: flushing the s.deuce
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.21475103 = 214.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.23980148 = 239.8015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19242937 = 192.4294 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you suppose people are selling anything they can to get options funds ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00568 = 0.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19340518 = 193.4052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2157941 = 215.7941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.24091935 = 240.9194 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 46.44009073 / 49.47150622 (no shares, 12,058.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: fun fact of the day : mpoe option book notional exposure passes 3mn usd.
mircea_popescu: this is more than the combined total of all venture capital taken in by all bitcoin ventures iirc.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, just throwing that out there, see if anyone has better data.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 350 @ 0.00073 = 0.2555 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i thought it was way undervalued but this was one hell of a pop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5252 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: im using it to troll /g/ on 4chan they think bitcoin is a scam
mircea_popescu: kinda funny being internet's cool kids, by 185 degrees of magnitude
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.2159899 = 215.9899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.24113267 = 241.1327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.19358548 = 193.5855 BTC [+]
dub: lol something bawful
Chaang-Noi: You don't have permission to access /dtng/c/src/136254317934.jpg on this server.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5251 = 7.8765 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: . /g/ has been calling bitcoin a scam for years now... they missed the boat
mircea_popescu: "When is coinbase going to start selling bitcoins again? They've been "over their limit" for the past couple days."
Chaang-Noi: yeah.. its like the meme with fry holding the cash saying shut up and take my money...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.03099, Best ask: 43.37291, Bid-ask spread: 0.34192, Last trade: 42.99000, 24 hour volume: 104489.74859354, 24 hour low: 36.91110, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.28010
gribble: There are currently 34857.932 bitcoins offered at or under 69.0 USD, worth 1979397.98148 USD in total. | Data vintage: 15.1042 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 592 @ 0.21606942 = 127.9131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 785 @ 0.19365695 = 152.0207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 355 @ 0.24122141 = 85.6336 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 11 seconds
mircea_popescu: ppl are wanting to buy options, i'm like... well i guess you might have sent it two hours ago but if it ain't confirmed it ain't confirmed.
mircea_popescu: the value of keeping your liquidity in the right places i guess.
mircea_popescu: this is officially the most exciting time of bitcoin i've ever lived.
Chaang-Noi: went to troll /g/ /g/ wants to buy... fuuuck what just happened....
Chaang-Noi: . /g/ on 4chan, said btc was a scam for years.. now they want to buy
dub: no fucking way I am hitting 4chan from work
dub: I was dude the other day with dog paw tattoo with TWINK under it, hope he never goes to teh states
Chaang-Noi: yeah dont go to 4chan at work,... even the calm and mostly safe /g/
mircea_popescu: so eu stocks at 4 year high mark, dow is busting records
dub: he probbly doesnt know knwat twink means in teh states
dub: (its a brand name here)
mircea_popescu: clearly our idiotarian policymaker friends are doing things right.
keith_hanson: being a web developer, I want to take mtgox and overhaul their UI. Their new mobile site is atrocious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00075 = 2.7 BTC [+]
dub: just make a new exchange, gox is going to self destruct in a week anyway
dub: I thought migration to coinlol happens on the 12th
keith_hanson: mircea_popescu: uh, seriously? that's... concerning.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.15000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 106697.45574715, 24 hour low: 36.93101, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.37604
gribble: There are currently 1236.3618 bitcoins offered at or under 45.0 USD, worth 55413.0152492 USD in total. | Data vintage: 54.7067 seconds
gribble: There are currently 12874.465 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 614113.730099 USD in total. | Data vintage: 64.7913 seconds
keith_hanson: I have learned more in an hour here than I have in months on reddit, bitcointalk, or any other web sources :P much appreciated
mircea_popescu: the otc system revolves around the wot, ask gribble about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 250 @ 0.12633113 = 31.5828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 6 @ 0.12633113 = 0.758 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 107173.30759404, 24 hour low: 37.01715, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.42137
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 75 @ 0.15734141 = 11.8006 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19207 @ 0.00075 = 14.4053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00450001 = 9 BTC [+]
Namworld: When people buy lots of options, usually a good time to buy S.MPOE
Namworld: Hmm, S.DICE going down down down
maximian: there's a big fat ask there at 0.0047
maximian: that would have gone in a flash last week I think
Namworld: that was before price skyrocketed
Namworld: Now everyone wants BTC in their hands
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00450001 = 4.5 BTC [+]
dub: DT going on 'holiday' to italy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0044444 = 0.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00300001 = 0.3 BTC [-]
dub: praps catchign up with his best buddy alberto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00450001 = 0.45 BTC [+]
dub: what is surprising about that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 863500 @ 0.00075 = 647.625 BTC [+]
maximian: MPOE is in demand, on the other hand
Namworld: Of course, lots of options being traded
maximian: even though its divs performance is consistently worse than s.dice's
maximian: it must be a confidence thing. perhaps people have little faith that s.dice will be around long term.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175000 @ 0.00075 = 131.25 BTC [+]
Namworld: I guess if you consider MPEx's track record and long term, if people expect Bitcoins to become mainstream and MPEx to retain it's #1 position to trade assets...
dub: maximian: or that there won't be any more surprise share splits
Chaang-Noi: dice at .003? id buy at that price some...
Namworld: Well S.MPOE could dramatically improve with a majority of assets trading moving to MPEx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.0015 = 6 BTC [-]
dub: Namworld: why would htat affect s.mpe?
Chaang-Noi: asic miner is the next big hot trader i bet
maximian: actually, MP has regularly dumped mpoe shares as well, but he did it differently: he placed large asks well above the market price
mircea_popescu: maximian actually more an attempt to keep it from bubbling up than anything.
maximian: evoorhees, on the other hand, sold way below market price for some crazy unfathomable reason, which was a big WTF
maximian: evoorhees could have done the same
mircea_popescu: i think the fact that mpoe/mpex can't have a lossy month for shareholders may be a factor.
dub: yes but he's an idiot
maximian: but oh well. it shook a lot of people's confidence.
mircea_popescu: if people are thinking "s.dice has consistantly been over EV" it may be a consideration.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh... it doesn't seem to account for the disparity.
dub: Namworld: I didn't know fees contributed to s.mpoe, its not just the options?
mircea_popescu: Revenue from sales fee : 187.80380028 BTC (Total trade : 93`901.90014227 BTC)
maximian: I think people know that mope is here to stay, but there's a lot of uncertainty around s.dice
maximian: and unfortunately, evoorhees is distracted with conferences and his other hobbies
mircea_popescu: maximian ironically enough s.mpoe shares were bought as low as 2k satoshi.
Namworld: no, fees, options, incorrect deposits, etc
Namworld: It's all of MPEx's income, really
mircea_popescu: ftr an incorrect deposit has yet to make it to shareholders. there was a grand total of like, 1 so far.
Namworld: good to know that people with enough BTC to trade on MPEx can manage not to screw up deposits.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, s.dice has so far paid ~50k satoshi per share in dividends to s.mpoe's ~2k
mircea_popescu: on a strictly dividend basis of accounting it's a huge gap.
mircea_popescu: course if you think about it, a corp that issues 10% divs a year is not automatically better than one that issues 3%
mircea_popescu: actually i'd be much surprised if the average retail investor could even tell you what dividend his portofolio paid
Namworld: Coca-Cola has low yearly yield.
maximian: not if everyone expects it to flame out early
Namworld: I think. Still great stock. Stable, very old company. Popular as ever.
mircea_popescu: maximian i guess maybe that's it, in spite of early explosive success people expect it to flame
Namworld: There's a few multinationals like that with low yield and high demand. Safety and stability are good to consider.
maximian: yep, high uncertainty over its future: can it maintain its market share, will evoorhees get arrested, etc
mircea_popescu: course there's another thing : on the strength of the book so far, s.mpoe could walk home with 20-30k btc.
mircea_popescu: on the strength of the action so far, s.dice is ahead what, 2k yet ?
maximian: s.dice not doing so well so far this month, but that's to be expected now and then
maximian: nobody had a problem back in november when s.dice paid zero
mircea_popescu: the immediate outlook. "shot at 20-30k with no downside" vs "not so great, maybe 2k, maybe negative"
mircea_popescu: maximian yeah but investor composition changed a lot, lots of pt holders,
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00300001 / 0.0046852 / 0.00579999 (39585 shares, 185.46 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0058052 / 0.0063799 (554773 shares, 3,220.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00589794 / 0.007395 (6726620 shares, 39,673.22 BTC)
maximian: evoorhees has to get cracking and start promoting this thing again!
maximian: It wasn't clear that he was talking about s.dice, but it would be nice if he's hinting at an acquisition or partnership
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 44.15000, 24 hour volume: 108129.84604915, 24 hour low: 37.41306, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.54922
maximian: imo, the best case scenario for s.dice is an acquisition by a big player looking for a quick entrance into btcland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00075 = 13.425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 19 mn or so are certainly nothing for sometyhing like s,dice
mircea_popescu: so a deal will prolly be a nice payout for btc shareholders.
maximian: tremendous mindshare/brand awareness for a bargain price of 19-20m
mircea_popescu: but i can see erik reasonably walking away from anything under 100mn total
maximian: yep, it's a possibility, and I believe he's the kind of guy who could pull it off.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 500 @ 0.17591975 = 87.9599 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no better way to showcase btc success than a successful exit for him.
Namworld: I think the current success would be shorting your BTC for USD
Namworld: Buy back later at a lower price
mircea_popescu: you can sell calls short which would be doing exactly that.
mircea_popescu: I think 67117 is proxy pool. The hash output is always simillar to SLUSH's. SLUSH has 2.6% rejection rate -they obviusly proxy pooling. Still not real proof of working ASIC.
mircea_popescu: anyone rthat understands mining, how sensible is that ?
mircea_popescu: specifically, how traceable is hashing based on the reject rate ?
Namworld: network hashing is estimated based on blocks found...
mircea_popescu: obviously i can set up a mining pool account and proxy other peoples mining there.
mircea_popescu: question is, can this be at all traced based on some qualities of the hash flux
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.12509, Bid-ask spread: 0.12509, Last trade: 43.66490, 24 hour volume: 108414.79454220, 24 hour low: 37.41306, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.57198
mircea_popescu: o hey, it occurs to me, this is the right time to get hacked right ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 45 @ 0.49100001 = 22.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4682 = 4.682 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4681 = 0.9362 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4674 = 0.9348 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.4511 = 8.1198 BTC [-]
aiball: mr. p. I'd say that's the biggest wild card at the moment - a high profile hack. your shit is safe right?
aiball: do you know what's wrong with s.dice price? is this just a dollar based stock?
mircea_popescu: if you read history it's been discussed just hourish ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.63494 = 1.9048 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "If you're looking for a loan for Bitcoin Poker at Seals, let me know."
mircea_popescu: "I notice there are some BTC bookies. So I thought I would help bettors win more bets. I began betting on sports back in December 2012 with a nice record so far. "
mircea_popescu: jumpin' jesus on a stick, three months is now a track record ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 516 @ 0.00073315 = 0.3783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11784 @ 0.00073156 = 8.6207 BTC [-]
mod6: well -assets, its been an exciting day!
mod6: s.dice has had an interesting ride into divs, and even after... seems to be doing the inverse of what you would expect.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 98 @ 0.00999 = 0.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00300002 = 0.3 BTC [-]
BitHub: its amazing the amount of amatures that i come across sometimes, they dont even have a business plan or anything and think they're going to land on an exchange or PT and be taken seriously?
Chaang-Noi: got security cams on my house, pretty need seeing my yard from my phone:)
mod6: lol from your phone even 'eh?
mod6: BitHub: well, we all have to start somewhere.
Chaang-Noi: yeah, had no idea it could do that but hell, same price
BitHub: I know, i'm about 6 months old and i wouldn't even consider doing it yet
mod6: too many amatures not enough pros, too many bitches, not enough ho's...
Chaang-Noi: got 4 rotts to garud the house, neighbors start to fuck with the rotts... so i get video camerias to protect the rotts, fucking crazy
BitHub: i met this guy maybe a month into it? no business plan, its crazy
Chaang-Noi: and i need a truck for the rotts... cuz 4 large dogs are big... but its good cuz the rotts can gaurd the truck... fucking crazy
BitHub: how do you value your company without sales?
mod6: rotts are supposed to be awesome dogs.
Chaang-Noi: they are really good, have 3 females and a male, im breeding them
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 270 @ 0.17776447 = 47.9964 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.0046 = 4.37 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bid is at .003 for dice ask is .0045? massive spread?
mircea_popescu: <mod6> too many amatures not enough pros, too many bitches, not enough ho's... << good one
mircea_popescu: i liked that line enough im now digging to find who the fuck came up with it
mod6: its an old ludacris song
mod6: lol and i mis-remembered how it goes
Chaang-Noi: they cant send the silver cuz they will lose money
mod6: "i hate it when its too many niggas, not enough hoes, too many rookies, not enough pros!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4 @ 0.0046 = 0.0184 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi he's not getting it what, are you kidding ?
Chaang-Noi: he is saying he cant give the silver because he would run out of money
Chaang-Noi: and coinibul fucked up on insurance...
mod6: coingenuity?! say it aint so!?
Chaang-Noi: how can someone who as been in btc land so long be so fucking poor?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 816 @ 0.00073156 = 0.597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1030 @ 0.00073043 = 0.7523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00073042 = 5.3021 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what i got from the digest was, customer paid, provider shipped, insurance blew up.
Chaang-Noi: correct insurance was paid for but not recived
eeeCurrencyDotCo: Mircea, its' peter from eee - you sent me a link to chat with you here.
Chaang-Noi: if i send you a gold bar and tell you it is insured and you pay a fee for that, but it is not insured then its a scam
Chaang-Noi: it seems they did not insure the item in the correct way, coinibul fucked up
mircea_popescu: what do you mean correctly ? like they insured the wrong item or soemthing ?
Chaang-Noi: if i ship you a gold bar, but insure a taco... its a scam
Chaang-Noi: the insureance company said the item was not insured even thought coinibal did pay a fee
eeeCurrencyDotCo: :) (hi everybody) - I'm here for a specific reason, but I saw someone mention insurance. is there someone offering insurance on btc? I had ben contemplating getting my US license to offer to be an insurance broker and perhaps do somethng
mircea_popescu: if you give me a hundred bucks to give to mod6 for towing your car
Chaang-Noi: if i send you a car from thailand and insure it, but fine print says we dont insure cars whos fault is it?
mircea_popescu: haha that's ridiculous. so are they dropping that insurer now ?
Chaang-Noi: but mp i paid you a preiumuim to do the insurance for me...
Chaang-Noi: yes mp they did a differnt insurance company cuz turned out they did not have insurance
mod6: i would guess yah, just change insuance co's and that should set it right.
Chaang-Noi: but coinibul still fucked up, the buyer is not at fault here
Chaang-Noi: well, one guy is out of 80 btc worht of silver
eeeCurrencyDotCo: isn't the liability on the person with the implied or definitive contract?
mircea_popescu: i mean, these word against word things are difficult to break up
Chaang-Noi: they have tracking to priove buyer never got package
eeeCurrencyDotCo: if you contract with person a and bring person b in to it, isnt the contract with person a, not b?
mircea_popescu: so then wait. if package never arrived it's the post ?
Chaang-Noi: the coinibul was like sorry, silver not insured, fuck off
eeeCurrencyDotCo: ups just delivered a package today and left it with no sig - who should replace the loss? ups or the shipper?
Chaang-Noi: if there is insurance they need to cover it, but if it was sold as insured and not insured its a fucking scam
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why i am not in the business of delivering bullion to the retail postage market.
mircea_popescu: sucks for margins, sucks for operations, sucks all around.
Chaang-Noi: but jesus he willl destroy his rep for 80 btc saying he has no money to give the guy silver,,, how can he be so poor and be in btc that long...
mod6: well, who knows dude.
mircea_popescu: if he does this then he's going to have a rash of people trying it.
Chaang-Noi: the buyer has proof he never got the shit...
BitHub: i hope coinabul works it out :) seems like a good kind
Chaang-Noi: i ordered from coinibul myself once, ill never do it again...
BitHub: but you two are like broooos
Chaang-Noi: and that was cuz he fucked my order up, not this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
eeeCurrencyDotCo: Mircea, when is a good time to come back and chat with you about setting up an exchange, or becoming a broker, or getting listed?
mod6: well, personally, i think its a cool business (many others think its pretty neat-o too), I hope he gets it squared away.
mircea_popescu: lol is that the mtgox 1satoshi bot pushing the s.dice down ?
maximian: Hey, at least there's some action!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0046 BTC [+]
gribble: I have 16 registered users with 21 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
gribble: Current Blocks: 224491 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1300 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4775657.49997 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.33592
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.34351, Best ask: 44.68217, Bid-ask spread: 0.33866, Last trade: 44.68217, 24 hour volume: 105246.62244956, 24 hour low: 37.72771, 24 hour high: 45.00000, 24 hour vwap: 40.78103
gribble: 1 BTC = 44.68217 U.S. dollars = 34.1999005 Euros
mircea_popescu: "i'ma go take a piss. by the time im back, btc is 1 ford escort per"
mircea_popescu: then it turns true and everyone is "buy kakobrekla escorts"
[\\\]: so when's the correction?
mircea_popescu: [\\\] the way my book is loaded if we go back to 30 im'a be floating in a pond of btc
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.50000, Best ask: 44.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 45.77190, 24 hour volume: 105273.67523350, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.77190, 24 hour vwap: 40.95523
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.50000, Best ask: 44.56634, Bid-ask spread: 0.06634, Last trade: 44.56634, 24 hour volume: 105176.47600550, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.77190, 24 hour vwap: 40.95719
Chaang-Noi: amphipod> Mar06 07:05:44 mtgox x221 1,000.0000 @ 4,319.05105821 JPY
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
gribble: BTCJPY ticker | Best bid: 4200.899, Best ask: 4292.351, Bid-ask spread: 91.45200, Last trade: 4371.772, 24 hour volume: 5026.74060167, 24 hour low: 3531.751, 24 hour high: 4371.772, 24 hour vwap: 4236.634
mod6: did i just see that right?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.60001, Best ask: 44.94191, Bid-ask spread: 0.34190, Last trade: 44.51434, 24 hour volume: 105828.92739695, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 45.98000, 24 hour vwap: 41.05239
gribble: There are currently 573.51808 bitcoins offered at or under 46.0 USD, worth 26378.2569228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 69.3444 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it looks to me like mt gox is bidding this shit up...
mod6: just only 573 to 46 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.50000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.5 = 10 BTC [-]
[\\\]: You know, I'm surprised people don't bring that up more
[\\\]: mtgox has a vested interest in having the price of bitcoin go up
[\\\]: since they charge half their fees in btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 54 @ 0.00666 = 0.3596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 19 @ 0.0066 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: went from 12 to 45, now the public is buying... i dont give a fuck if it is gox or not, but i bet it is partly them...
Chaang-Noi: you know the gox people are old timers who have a shit load of btc... lose some fiat, make massive gain in btc...
Chaang-Noi: i do that in ltc at time... pump and dump
mircea_popescu: the thing with btc is that it's useful worth 1 unit at a market cap < 1bn, and worth significantly more than 10 units at a market cap > 10bn
[\\\]: kakobrekla, what do you mean?
kakobrekla: [\\\] you can set it so fees are taken from fiat side only
[\\\]: yeah, but you still pay the same amount
[\\\]: they just take the equivalent amount in USD
[\\\]: it is still the same fee
kakobrekla: so it doesnt matter if btc goes up for them
[\\\]: taking a fee of .5% of a $30 btc vs a $5 btc
Chaang-Noi: if i have 1,000,000 btc and it costs me 1,000,000 fiat to move the price from $15 to $30 then i spend 1 million to get 15 million...
[\\\]: that isn't a yeah but
[\\\]: you're making my point
[\\\]: regardless of how you express it, they're getting more USD
[\\\]: they're still moving the same amount of btc, why should the fee go up? ;)
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:21:21 mtgox x62 414.2822 @ 45.90051627 USD
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:21:21 mtgox x66 532.4452 @ 4,387.21444939 JPY
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.00568 = 0.0454 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.44733, Best ask: 45.68716, Bid-ask spread: 0.23983, Last trade: 45.44733, 24 hour volume: 106156.27636265, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.11371
gribble: 1 BTC = 45.68716 U.S. dollars = 34.8251848 Euros
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.67000, Best ask: 45.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 45.98000, 24 hour volume: 106101.67272176, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.12159
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.67000, Best ask: 45.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 45.98000, 24 hour volume: 106146.37381511, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.12535
Chaang-Noi: yeah i hear ya... girls dont like giving bjs when you look at charts...
Chaang-Noi: theymos has some tricky shit dealing with glbse and scammer tags
Chaang-Noi: he has to be careful or he will need to give him self a few lol
mircea_popescu: girls don't mind, that's what slavery was invented for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 99 @ 0.0035 = 0.3465 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 11272.36 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 542707.482662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
Chaang-Noi: at this rate we will be at $50 this time tomorrow
Chaang-Noi: oh shit, just found 5000 ltc i forgot about
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00100, Best ask: 46.41402, Bid-ask spread: 0.41302, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 107455.02852074, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.49000, 24 hour vwap: 41.24338
Namworld: So that's a $1000 you just found
Chaang-Noi: i knew where it was, but i forgot it had coin in it
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005401 = 0.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0054 = 0.0162 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00502 = 0.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0053 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: dice trades for .0035 on exchange pt is .0054? lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 84 @ 0.65 = 54.6 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <amphipod> Mar06 07:48:37 bitfloor 6.3606 @ 48.49 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.43 = 2.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.425 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-]
Namworld: S.DICE on the other hand is going down the drain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.955 = 1.91 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: never thought it would last, shocked it did as well as it has
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20199, Best ask: 46.83966, Bid-ask spread: 0.63767, Last trade: 46.90000, 24 hour volume: 108408.53715162, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 41.38489
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: yeah... its smart to buy up all the calls, then dump 10 million on gox....
Chaang-Noi: get tones of shit, sell back 10 million btc, at the much higher price, and do it again
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i explained that it's the insurance company's choice to insure any parcel...
Chaang-Noi: man he never got his silver, you never gave it to him, end of stopry
Chaang-Noi: you need to post in the thread if he got the silver man...
coingenuity: he was given his silver, his country's goverment stole it, i was going to replace it until he wrote a script to annoy me
coingenuity: anyway, i can't talk with you, i'm eating dinner
Chaang-Noi: your going to get killed in that thread man, just man up and pay it back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18460872 = 184.6087 BTC [+]
Namworld: Doesn't coinabul specify the user must research import laws for his country himself? If the silver/gold is seized at the customs, no coinabul's problem.
Chaang-Noi: customs clearly will claim there was no silver... (as they stole it) its not like shipping to Austriala is illegal
coingenuity: Namworld: aside from insuring, and paying premiums on said insurance, for all parcels who's owners request it, we cannot do anything to change the minds of insurance companies nor governments...
Chaang-Noi: you need to say on your website insured shipping does not imp[ly the shipping is insured and delivery is not guarranteed
gribble: There are currently 3915.0774 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 183856.80088 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i'm going to ignore your instigation, insured shipping is insured
coingenuity: i have more important work to do than bicker about nothing with you
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: come back to me when you've contributed anything more than trolling to the bitcoin community as a whole...
Chaang-Noi: oh slam, a scammer called me a troll, buuuurn :)
coingenuity: Chaang-Noi: i'm almost certain you've 1. ordered gold from me 2. had that gold delivered to you successfully
Chaang-Noi: i felt cheated i needed it right away,
Chaang-Noi: you did not steal from me, but id never use you again...
Chaang-Noi: however i need that gold to sell for fiat and you fucked me over by taking forever
Chaang-Noi: and i lost a lot of value while waiting
Chaang-Noi: dont have have me on ignore? im going afk anyway
Chaang-Noi: that small wall at 47 should slow us down a bit
gribble: There are currently 2982.5833 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 140147.42823 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0011 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18488932 = 184.8893 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 3728.5372 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 175132.256038 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.0066 = 0.033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18548653 = 185.4865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.27 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18619661 = 186.1966 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.06200, Best ask: 46.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03800, Last trade: 46.10000, 24 hour volume: 109292.22019850, 24 hour low: 38.48373, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 41.61645
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08490939 / 47.44997453 / 50.14846327 (no shares, 13,996.17 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 32 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.18991695 = 189.917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.190908 = 190.908 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: other people will buy the coins and put it back in
ZedsterX: has $45 really come and gone today
ZedsterX: only 42 on BTC-e just hard to get USD there
ZedsterX: hard to get them there fast at least
dub: its retarded, pretty much random whether your order hits
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 191 @ 0.00548 = 1.0467 BTC [+]
dub: market buy around 43.9 buys at 44.50
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.63494 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.14403, Best ask: 46.47898, Bid-ask spread: 0.33495, Last trade: 46.14403, 24 hour volume: 105262.95331360, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.31133
leotreasure: must be a recent thing it was working not too long ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.00999 = 0.2498 BTC [+]
Bowjob: guys I won the bet.. LTC will reach 20cents
Bowjob: I feel like I deserved a bit more coins
jurov: yep, none is working
jurov: like someone cooked their router again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.6498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.4 = 6.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
Bowjob: I got out just in time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00073198 = 5.2703 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]
jurov: interesting... mpex offline but it does report trades
jurov: at least mpex.coinbr.com works now
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 84 @ 0.00549 = 0.4612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I'll be a bro and give some of my friends an opportunity to buy BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00549 = 0.0824 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: #Megacard: I would love to create a #Bitcoin credit card! Who can help us make it happen? Email: twitter@kim.com
Bowjob: that ianbakewell is gonna get slaughtered
Bowjob: ian borrowed 600 BTC when they were 34 dollars each
Namworld: nah, I'll grab some S.DICE or stuff like that for my passthroughs while it's cheap.
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
fydel1: yeah..that's a good question
jurov: i don't know. at least the backend works
maximian: probably a DoS attack, happened a few weeks ago
Namworld: backend works... I guess the web interface is being updated
jurov: and it works fine now (but it was not for a while, too)
mjr_: whats up with mpex?
jurov: cuz we access alternate mpex ip
jurov: but that can change anytime
mjr_: this is just crazy right now
mjr_: i bought the 41 calls as a long shot
kakobrekla: apparently you shot accuratley on long distances
jurov: coinbr user support is becoming fun. got another email "i bought C37Ts, now i'm selling and nobody wants them, help!"
jurov: explained to him how to click Exercise link right on dashboard...
jurov: but looks like thay sold in meantime anyway
jurov: whale gobbled everything
jurov: looks like we need to create MPOE Emergency Relief fund
jurov: or MP can start selling extraordinary mpoe bonds
mjr_: troubled asset relief?
mjr_: why would he sell or exercise now? there is like 21 days left...
jurov: he did not explain.. seems he didn't know what he's doing
jurov: Oo bitstamp is at 48? time to sell a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.51 = 3.06 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i asked that question a week or so ago
jurov: Rule 1. We do not know what is paypal
jurov: Rule 2. Even if we know, we never speak about it.
kakobrekla: shit, might add that to the bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: There are currently 5140.5779 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 240829.255427 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
gribble: Error: "bids-35" is not a valid command.
jurov: bitcoin-central at 38.5 , bitstamp at 47, lol
jurov: must do something about
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.42009, Best ask: 45.42019, Bid-ask spread: 0.00010, Last trade: 45.42021, 24 hour volume: 99525.39008012, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.60348
jurov: ooooh the btccentral price is in eur.. even moar intriguing
Bowjob: see you at single digits
gribble: Error: "bc,convert,eur" is not a valid command.
gribble: 1 BTC = 45.39100 U.S. dollars = 34.761066 Euros
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.00549 = 0.2196 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Alt link for mpex? Getting ddosed?
jurov: Bugpowder, mpex.coinbr.com
Bowjob: ive seen it coming, really
Bowjob: the dice is just worth as the month's volume
Bowjob: well, I got out of the dice just in time lolz
Bowjob: someone gave away over 300 BTC last night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
Bowjob: you were like.. dice is safe now, get back in
Bowjob: the overall profit doesnt really matter to a new shareholder
Bowjob: its that month that matters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.38 = 2.66 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 375 @ 0.19683239 = 73.8121 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ian was right to short dice it seems
Bowjob: shorting is such a ballsy move it scares me
jurov: kakobrekla and now what should i think about that?
Bowjob: I was posting this link last night anyone got their bitcoins
jurov: judging from long-standing fee bugs i hear about, it may be as well true
jurov: or they fear to fix it cuz they have no unit tests
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00073247 = 1.4283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11303 @ 0.00074548 = 8.4262 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 4711.5328 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 220954.276368 USD in total. | Data vintage: 115.7926 seconds
jurov: sigh. i have updated the coinbr engine to use mpex track code, all fine and dandy
kakobrekla: the problem is most of bitcoins users are idiots as well
jurov: but now the unit tests must be fixed. and that's much bigger task
jurov: and new ones added for the "track used/track not used" cases
jurov: dis wrong. bitcoin is always mean.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00073204 = 11.8905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1144 @ 0.00073198 = 0.8374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5063 @ 0.0007313 = 3.7026 BTC [-]
Bowjob: actually were in the take off phase
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20000, Best ask: 46.48800, Bid-ask spread: 0.28800, Last trade: 46.20000, 24 hour volume: 99179.19073160, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.70440
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: Some are born to endless night.
jurov: i guess assbot fails to access the website
jurov: although it reports trades fine, dunno
assbot: Nope, some are just born to endless night.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.23825, Best ask: 46.33559, Bid-ask spread: 0.09734, Last trade: 46.23824, 24 hour volume: 99397.65043641, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 42.72776
Bowjob: what do you know. i get richer just by fapping
jurov: url of webcam or didnt happen
jurov: unittests hacking brings nostalgia "Your order to BUY 1 O.BTCUSD.C110T @0.20000000BTC each has been received and will be processed."
jurov: going even deeper "Your order to BUY 2 O.BTCUSD.P040T @0.00014536BTC each has been received" now they don't exist lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.37 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8891 @ 0.0007313 = 6.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5356 @ 0.0007313 = 3.9168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00414309 = 1.2429 BTC [+]
jurov: gesell yes, use mpex.coinbr.com
gesell: what happened to the vps that used to be on mpex?
gesell: thought bitvps was there
jurov: yup. went yest to timisoara and bought mpex, for a few lines of blow
TomServo: PsychoticBoy: Never hacked I think... he reported a DDOS outage a while back I believe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 989 @ 0.0007313 = 0.7233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00072769 = 2.6925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 985 @ 0.00072612 = 0.7152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00072378 = 5.5369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00071218 = 6.4452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00071077 = 1.1017 BTC [-]
jurov: gesell, you actually believe it? btw, i have picked up few nifty asic rigs en route in budapetst
gesell: btw, just posted this on redit but... pretty ascii graphs with: curl -s "
http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxEUR&start=`date -v-1H +%s`" | gnuplot -e 'set datafile separator ","; set xdata time; set timefmt "%s"; unset key; set format x "%H%M"; set parametric; set y2tics; set tics nomirror out; set y2tics format "%.2f"; unset mxtics; set border 9; unset my2tics; unset ytics; set xtics scale 0; set term dumb; plot "-" using
jurov: bah... i'm owning btc now, u think i'll just send someone somethig?
gesell: jurov: sorry yeah i havent been in this room in a while so getting used to the troll factor again ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 1 @ 0.90910719 BTC
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
BitHub: is there an official asicminer room here?
jurov: we have anything "official" in bitcoinland?
kakobrekla: this is officially official bitcoin chan
BitHub: hehe yeah this room is better
jurov: official with Slightly Smoky Dragon and Double Cherry Truck insignia
pigeons: i can't get the only service that has never been hacked to come up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
maximian: the front end
http server is down, not the MPEX backend
ZedsterX: i told him to put yet on the end of his never been hacked sentence
Chaang-Noi: cuz testpaymesnt, oh i cant wait, muhahahah biiig money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.381 = 2.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.3801 = 3.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]
error4733: hello, maybe the question was asked 10.000time but MPEX down ? :/
ZedsterX: topic should be changed here maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00070613 = 10.0977 BTC [-]
error4733: it'a clone where you scam my gpg order ?
ZedsterX: nah the front of the server is down
ZedsterX: MP spreads way too luv for that
error4733: haha thanks for this morning joke, need it
BitHub: think the cia kidnapped mircea again
jurov: then prolly the domain would be seized
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.46899999 = 0.938 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.469 = 2.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.46999999 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.47 = 4.7 BTC [+]
BitHub: i think i'm getting the same amount of jah mining divs than i would at asicminer shares at 0.65 hah
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu got on bitinstants case but mpex is down
BitHub: anyone else finding that?
smickles: thestringpuller: i owe you some monies :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00070613 = 2.3302 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: smickles returns, does he return with news of a second born?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.77107, Best ask: 46.78122, Bid-ask spread: 0.01015, Last trade: 46.77107, 24 hour volume: 94579.93372571, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 46.93000, 24 hour vwap: 43.05662
Bugpowdrr: he took it down cause he don't wanna sell anymore calls.
jurov: Chaang-Noi yes and no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069034 = 3.1065 BTC [-]
jurov: but the backend is working ( and proxied by mpex.coinbr.com ).. don't know why they can't move the domain elsewhere
jurov: or make any statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.37000000 / 0.49368267 / 0.59000000 (622 shares, 307.07061895 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.58757632 / 0.68950000 (1682 shares, 988.30336796 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.6373535 / 0.76500000 (10868 shares, 6926.75789072 BTC)
maximian: thanks for your proxy service jurov :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.401 = 4.01 BTC [-]
smickles: < thestringpuller> smickles returns, does he return with news of a second born? shouldn't be until mid-may
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, i have excellent log-reading skills
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.94000, Best ask: 47.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 47.00000, 24 hour volume: 97426.47255291, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.00000, 24 hour vwap: 43.18923
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
jurov: smickles, I take it as you reading 3 weeks of this chan logs?
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
jurov: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
jurov: assbot got some malarkey
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.01700, Best ask: 47.30807, Bid-ask spread: 0.29107, Last trade: 47.01700, 24 hour volume: 98301.12712212, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.22614
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
error4733: 50$ today, i put some champagne in the fridge
unbalanced: Where I can read logs of this channel so I ask 8% fewer stupid questions?
Bowjob: heresy! off with your head!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00414309 = 4.1431 BTC [+]
jurov: unbalanced, they aren't public afaik
smickles: unbalanced: you might have to log it yourself
Bugpowdrr: there is going to be a major pullback
Bowjob: lemme guess. you bought puts?
Bowjob: there will be a major pullback..
jurov: ThickAsThieves: complete? not just some pastebin?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 100 @ 0.06498108 = 6.4981 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.50001, Best ask: 47.58770, Bid-ask spread: 0.08769, Last trade: 47.49990, 24 hour volume: 98269.41406670, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.58770, 24 hour vwap: 43.23820
Bowjob: amazon partnered up with bitinstant
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.37000000 / 0.4917805 / 0.59000000 (635 shares, 312.28061895 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.58614358 / 0.68950000 (1695 shares, 993.51336796 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63707085 / 0.76500000 (10881 shares, 6931.96789072 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: not shocked, i got 13k out of them at 35$
Bowjob: it was bitinstant actually
Bowjob: .. and i kinda feel bad for dice owners
jurov: meh.. tomorrow it may change
maximian: don't worry about us - a bounce back is coming
blu3gr1ffon: just can I get them out before SEC finds a way to prosecute. :P
Bowjob: mhm.. it looks like an opportunity to arb s.dice at havelock
Bowjob: buy at 0.37, sell at 0,.46
jurov: then i'll hide evoorhees in my apt.. and won't be alone i guess
Bugpowdrr: The last bubble top was a $13 rise in one day
Bowjob: you should sell the btcs now if they are gonna crash
Bowjob: its very hard to predict the top
Bowjob: I tried to give away 1 BTC to a gaming website
m0mchil: howdy... what's up with MPEX right now, DDoS or what?
Bugpowdrr: we are now up over $10 in the last 24 hours.
Bugpowdrr: I'm trying to say that I'm am selling 25%
Bowjob: charities will accept more BTC.. there was a campaign last night about BTC
Bowjob: about $12000 was given away in BTC
Bowjob: to various charities, from $20-100 dollars ea
smickles: Bugpowdrr: so that was you buying puts at 31?
Bowjob: mpex seems down from here.
Bowjob: does ddos count as a hack?
smickles: and it's not down, all the proxies are working
kakobrekla: does a nuke count as a slap on the wrist
smickles: so it's really just the one url which is down
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.51677, Best ask: 47.58770, Bid-ask spread: 0.07093, Last trade: 47.58770, 24 hour volume: 98083.19810957, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 47.75000, 24 hour vwap: 43.26076
imsaguy: seriously, one more person asking if mpex is down
chmod755: mpex has been hacked. hackers are dumping soon
imsaguy: I swear its a bunch of 12 y/o lemmings in bitcoin
ZedsterX: someone change the subject onthe channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00414309 = 8.2862 BTC [+]
smickles: /topic mpex down, bitcoin to crash
BitHub: mircea has been kidnapped
imsaguy: this is #bitcoin-assets, not ##mpex
smickles: chmod755: i have an interested buyer, but they want the usd first
jcpham: imsaguy are you buying all these coins
imsaguy: pigeons: did you find the i in team?
Bugpowdrr: imsaguy: My wife's girlfriends are buying no
jcpham: yes it is hidden in ther A hole!
imsaguy: Bugpowdrr: sounds for a kinky night
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.88000 U.S. dollars = 36.7375125 Euros
gribble: There are currently 464.05826 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 22255.6760062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds
gribble: There are currently 9879.8201 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 489143.829799 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
Chaang-Noi: i kinda think we need a correction, then i read more news and im wow... so i dont know
Bowjob: yes this is the correction
Chaang-Noi: before i thought we might correct to 20, now im pretty sure we wont go much under 30 if we get tht far down... :/
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.00000, Best ask: 48.34801, Bid-ask spread: 0.34801, Last trade: 48.34801, 24 hour volume: 99201.77387837, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 48.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.35730
Bugpowdrr: I don't want to go over the FACTA limit :-P
ThickAsThieves: no correction needed yet if we're on our way to 150 or such
Bowjob: Mentlegen, we are the new wealty elite
Bowjob: We need to focus on the bigger picture. Hookers and blow are gonna be so cheap for us.. real estate, ect
Bowjob: How about we think of a way to help the world
ThickAsThieves: we can help the world by telling them to buy more coins
Bowjob: it be hilarious if a small country's GDP would be like 10 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 389 @ 0.00414309 = 1.6117 BTC [+]
blu3gr1ffon: .001BTC is apparently not enough off TXN fee anymore, is it?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.005025 = 1.005 BTC [-]
Bowjob: how can btc gain global traction if the blocksize limit is so small
Bugpowdrr: but this is CLASSIC parabolic blow off top
unbalanced: EskimoBob: doesn't s.dice pay a lot to miners through fees?
Bowjob: sell 100% of your coins
Bugpowdrr: I'm putting my money where my mouth is here
Bugpowdrr: I will be VERY HAPPY if its $65 next week
Bugpowdrr: Puts prices are being set at 43.57 right now!
Bowjob: if I sleep.. ill wake up to $50
Bugpowdrr: calls make sense if you think it will stay here for more than 24 hours
gribble: 1 BTC = 48.49800 U.S. dollars = 37.2116934 Euros
unbalanced: EskimoBob: Ah so the fee rate won't adjust somehow and if someone wants to buy a coffee with BTC the fees will be bigger than the coffee?
unbalanced: Just trying to grok all this, my head is spinning.
imsaguy: ACtually, the way things are trigger, it costs more in fees to buy a coffee than it does to buy a house
imsaguy: small tx amounts require larger fees
imsaguy: your $5 coffee will cost more in fees than a $50k car
Bowjob: someone crash LTC please, I wanna buy in
Bugpowdrr: unless there is another frontend on it
jurov: Chaang-Noi: did LTC resolve the blocksize/fees problem intelligently? if not, stfu
Chaang-Noi: jurov they can do a significant more than btc yeah
unbalanced: Anyone have theories as to why this runup is so fast then? Is it driven by MPEX futures, or trader manipulation, or is this how the Fed kills BTC: it just buys them all?
jcpham: i'm willing to sell one bitcoin today for 50 bucks
jurov: plus, ltc is still at 0.6, thrashing the hdd like hell
Chaang-Noi: i think the coinlab stuff, the amazon bitpay stuff, anme cheap, mega.. everything....
pigeons: what is "the amazon bitpay stuff"?
unbalanced: doctor_pullfinge: hence someone's reference to 12yo's investing above?
Chaang-Noi: coinlabs making it so walls treat people can pour in 1 billion or whatever of other peoples money to "invest"
BitHub: how much is expected from ASICMINER per share this div?
pigeons: will people outside of us still have access to the coinlab usd market?
Chaang-Noi: pigeons i dont know.. but we need more than mt gox/coin lab anyway, let wall street have that, we can do our own...
pigeons: i lived there no one else uses bitcoin there
smickles: EskimoBob: it's a little less centrally controlled than usd tho
Chaang-Noi: eskimoob i heard your mugs are cool, can i see a photo?
imsaguy: a handful of people make the rules that the rest of the network blindly follows
smickles: yeah, clients have to approve a change too
imsaguy: most people run unmodified clients
smickles: i mean, i can't really oppose changes to the USD
jcpham: someone at the fortmill times is a nerd
smickles: but I can participate in a hard fork if things go sour
Chaang-Noi: that is pretty big ass news.. how did they only have it?
jcpham: specificalyy an estate accountant
Chaang-Noi: eskimobob link to photos of your mugs? still ahve more to sell?
jcpham: i have a 24k check i want to keep
jcpham: and not deposit in abank
jcpham: how do i keep it for myself
jcpham: and not pay any to the government
smickles: jcpham: sounds like you want a lawyer first
jcpham: the check is made out to my dead grandmother's estate
smickles: as an accountant in 'merica, i can't give legal advice
jcpham: you can't help me launder it?
jcpham: that was both rhetorical and a joke
imsaguy: jcpham: who's the executor?
smickles: jcpham: if you are trying to launder money, why not endorse the check to someone for bitcoins
Chaang-Noi: BitPay's integration with Amazon currently works with WordPress.com, the world's most popular web publishing software, and WooCommerce, a comprehensive eCommerce platform for WordPress.
smickles: send the coins through some mixers, and then buy wooden Austin,TX farmers market coins with the bitcoins
jcpham: channel full of criminals
Chaang-Noi: asicminer pay out already, i need sleep:)
unbalanced: EskimoBob: re: mpex has nothing to do with this, I didn't mean mpex's site issue today, I just meant does trading futures/options on mpex lead to more (less?) volatility in BTC?
imsaguy: asicminer doesn't pay until Thursday
imsaguy: Wednesday is 24 hours long
Chaang-Noi: he never said he was going to change it... derp
Ukto: there was a test payment earlier
imsaguy: not everyone is awake on your timezone
Ukto: its 9:42 in the us tho
Ukto: 14ish hours until its fully gone
Bugpowdrr: So were to set the bids for the crash?
imsaguy: and now the thread has 300 people all saying they got 1 satoshi/share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if friedcat wants to pay on thursdays thats cool, but he should tell us:)
imsaguy: and you're right, the last payment was 4 hours ago last week
imsaguy: but considering not all the test payments have confirmed yet
imsaguy: I doubt he'll send the full amount
Chaang-Noi: he cant wait, somepeople wont ever confirm
imsaguy: confirmed by the blockchain twit
imsaguy: not by some lemming on the forum
Chaang-Noi: he waited some time, he did not wait for 100% of people to confirm
smickles: < imsaguy> Wednesday is 24 hours long << or 28, depending on how you count timezones
imsaguy: I didn't say he waited for people to confirm
imsaguy: I said he waited for the blockchain to confirm
gribble: There are currently 420.09147 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 20573.7459579 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.0439 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.90000, Best ask: 48.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 48.90000, 24 hour volume: 98725.47056383, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.00000, 24 hour vwap: 43.52904
gribble: There are currently 8385.6763 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 416077.619858 USD in total. | Data vintage: 71.0702 seconds
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: weren't you here for that discussion?
doctor_pullfinge: I was not - not looking for a book, just has mp acknowledged anything
smickles: it's either that mircea's sex dungeon prisoners finally revolted, or use mpex.coinbr.com while mpex.co is down
smickles: mpex.coinbr.com is one of many proxies to the mpex backend, and since all you send is encrypted, it doesn't matter that you are sending info thru a third party
Chaang-Noi: Most Online Today: 1541. Most Online Ever: 3809 we have a long way to go :)
doctor_pullfinge: so, mp is sleeping. I'm not looking to make a trade, just worried about another pirate40 situation.
blu3gr1ffon: you should be, now'd be a good time to disappear.
doctor_pullfinge: is coiner able to send trades through to the backend? I have a seat on the back end and STAT don't works
smickles: blu3gr1ffon: thing is, as long as the traders keep s.mpoe worth more than he would get by running with the money, he has a financial interest to stay
gribble: There are currently 6264.6484 bitcoins offered at or under 49.999 USD, worth 310249.908414 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.1208 seconds
BitHub: did anyone see his post recently about thinking of retirement?
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: my stats are working tru mpex.coinbr.com
doctor_pullfinge: smickles - thanks - I feel better. Back to worrying about why s.dice is tanking.
smickles: and what do you mean 'a seat on the backend', if you have a connection to the backend which isn't a proxy, why are you worried about the other proxies?
BitHub: people sick of s.dice?
doctor_pullfinge: I paid the 30 btc for a seat directly on mpex. coin.br is a passthrough, so may be cacheing the info.
Ukto: i bought my sdice at or below 0.0044
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: i think you are a little confused here
Ukto: so im not that worried about it yet
doctor_pullfinge: I think the div was bigger in terms of USD, but mainly I think people spend x% of their USD based paycheck on s.dice. So, BTC dividend amount goes down
smickles: coinbr is a broker (passthru, whatever) mpex.coinbr.com is a proxy to the backend system which is mpex
Ukto: besides, JAH is a better deal atm. daily divs at 10% or something, plus compounded earnings from reinvestment
BitHub: yeah the jah shares are crazy Ukto
smickles: you can send a STATJSON or whatever you want through that proxy
BitHub: seems to be better than ASICMINER atm
Ukto: i think by 30 days of jah its like a 15%+ monthly profit
BitHub: yeah he got asicminer shares
Ukto: well worth over the .3
ThickAsThieves: random off-topic idea, skype and facebook should show squiggly underlines on mispelled words, could teach the masses so easily
BitHub: that's why div so good
smickles: ThickAsThieves: that's more of an OS issue, isn't it?
smickles: ThickAsThieves: I mean, nearly all text input fields on my compy do spelling correction
Ukto: btw, 6,345 asicminer shares confirmed by fridcat on G.ASICMINER-PT now
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, since pgp is used,coinbr has no way to tamper with your orders nor replies
Ukto: thats just the confirmed
jurov: and as for caching, make sure to check signature date so it's aways different
Ukto: not including alot more pending in transit
Ukto: you dont play it for fun
Ukto: you play it for odds
doctor_pullfinge: I just went to coinbr and don't see any "last update" information. So I still think that could just be the last time that mpex was up.
error4733: so it's good for a gambler to pay there
blu3gr1ffon: I'm sending larger txn fees in the future.
BitHub: i might sell off some dice and buy up some jah instead
smickles: EskimoBob: how long of a history?
blu3gr1ffon: what's a good fee these days for sub 10 minute 6 confirmations?
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, since mpex didn't issue any statement, we don't have anything for an update
smickles: EskimoBob: i don't think anyone who is recording that info has mad it public
jurov: coinbr just runs the proxy alongside our broker interface
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.71000, Best ask: 48.71350, Bid-ask spread: 0.00350, Last trade: 48.71000, 24 hour volume: 98576.32628072, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.71889
error4733: in fact is not hacked, you can make order
smickles: what mpex looks like to me currently
jurov: doctor_pullfinge i don't know anything about mp... except he does have irc client opened, that's a good sign perhaps
doctor_pullfinge: but that's a pass-through page that might be cached from last night.
doctor_pullfinge: I agree this is not freak out time. I'm trying to understand what this mpex.coinbr.com thing really is.
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: not the thing that I screenshotted
jurov: doctor_pullfinge, scroll back to last trade by assbot, compare to the site
Ukto: Bugpowdrr: wait another 5 min, see if it goes through
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.58643, Best ask: 48.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11357, Last trade: 48.90000, 24 hour volume: 97948.57311533, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.75867
smickles: doctor_pullfinge: it is pretty much a replication of mpex.co
jurov: doctor_pullfinge it's a proxy that we sewt up after last ddos
smickles: and there are other proxies too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.58643, Best ask: 48.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11357, Last trade: 48.70000, 24 hour volume: 97945.57336925, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.75887
smickles: and "proxy" does not equal "passthrough"
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 453945.1459 USD and would take the last price down to 43.3310 USD, resulting in an average price of 45.3945 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 106.9176 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2998627.3527 USD and would take the last price down to 16.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 29.9863 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0098 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 4312499.9219 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 4.3125 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 23.1310 seconds
gribble: 1 BTC = 48.71000 U.S. dollars = 37.3743574 Euros
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.45 = 2.7 BTC [+]
Ukto: cnn will drag in more bidders
smickles: why is this cyber currency trading at an all time high?
smickles: pleas tell me steve hargreaves
jurov: doing test buy order for 123 S.DICE...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 123 @ 0.0045 = 0.5535 BTC [+]
jurov: so, all is working except mpex.co website
error4733: smiclkles, you have to finish your taxreturn ?
smickles: jurov: but will doctor_pullfingr believe that assbot gets data from a reliable source?
jurov: smickles, doctor_pullfingr should pull fingers out of his ass and try it himself
doctor_pullfingr: doctor_pullfingr just needs a timestamp not a big deal. I can see the site, but assbot only shows HAVELOCK trades.
jurov: doctor_pullfingr so you did a mpex trade like i just did and assbot did not show it?
jurov: it shows most recent trade in title
smickles: 16:14 <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 123 @ 0.0045 = 0.5535 BTC [+]
smickles: which came shortly after "16:14 < jurov> doing test buy order for 123 S.DICE..."
doctor_pullfingr: sorry jurov - I see the assbot trade and the timestamp. I'll shut my mouth now and get to work. Fluorescent lighting awaits.
jcpham: "The U.S. dollar is an obvious Ponzi scheme," said Thomas, who thinks the U.S. government has too much debt to raise interest rates high enough to defend the dollar if there were ever a run on it. With Bitcoin, "you feel like you're in control of your money."
jcpham: last paragraph of that CNN article wins
smickles: jcpham: i was just about to quote that too
smickles: Bugpowdrr: at least they arn't running a CS server
Bugpowdrr: they are running a site that is trading $5MM in currency a day
deadweasel: srsly, get the servers together, have peak resources
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00070427 = 8.6273 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1326 @ 0.0007105 = 0.9421 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Because the number of transactions and overall value of coins in circulation is relatively low, the currency is quite volatile -- it went from under $1 to over $28, then back to $7 in 2011 alone."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35100, Best ask: 48.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.64900, Last trade: 47.35100, 24 hour volume: 97534.97841476, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.87966
deadweasel: dafuq 45 minutes only at 5 confirmations, with .005 fee
smickles: deadweasel: the fee will only affect when it gets conf 1
Bugpowdrr: when those confirmations go thru, price is gonna drop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.0045 = 0.8505 BTC [+]
Bugpowdrr: why did I sell at 48 insteady of 47.99? why
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: the example is a bad analogy, sure
imsaguy: give it time, there will be another tanking
imsaguy: how much of the tx volume today is the same coins being sent over and over?
jurov: "Mt. Gox found its operations hindered by its lack of proximity to the tech sector." lol now that's an excuse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00072389 = 1.8821 BTC [+]
imsaguy: mtgox was a hackjob originally trading magic cards
imsaguy: they always leave that part out
deadweasel: Magix; The Gatherings, online exchange
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.75000 U.S. dollars = 36.6377657 Euros
jurov: i should ask mp about his "proximity to the tech sector"
imsaguy: I'm sure mp is fairly proximal to the tech 'sector' right now ;)
mircea_popescu: if you're having trouble loading trilema, please flush your dns.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, mpex,co is being ddosed by someone too stupid to know that doesn't work.
smickles: damn, i thought your sexdungeon revolted
smickles: mod6: hiya, sorry for being away
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: load up a free instance of amazon?
imsaguy: Guest60737: you know about /ns release, right?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: tabloids say girl ;)
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, well, it's a boy, and he is expected to come mid may
Guest60737: imsaguy: ya. working on those things now with ns & grib
gribble: anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Anduck> uhh
imsaguy: oh, anduck said I was supposed to hold his coins
imsaguy: he said I could have them forever
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 46 seconds
imsaguy: their test tx still hasn't confirmed
Chaang-Noi: yeah, why would they need to wait though?
imsaguy: just goes to show that sending a bunch of microdust without paying a respectible fee is silly
imsaguy: estimated btc transacted: .00023055
smickles: ;;later tell anduck pm or email me when you get a chance
imsaguy: asicminer full payment just hit
mod6: (08:48) < smickles> mircea_popescu: heh, well, it's a boy, and he is expected to come mid may << Nice! It's getting closer. :]
Chaang-Noi: im going to try and guess and see their mining rate...
imsaguy: that doesn't make the dividend per share go up
smickles: mod6: indeed, and the first one is starting to walk around
mod6: smickles: thats awesome man. :)
jcpham: The myopic are extrapolating the price trend of the past three months, which they deem is normal, and in so doing they exacerbate it to the upside, thus attracting even greater fools. The inflection point will come when the continuity of bullish thought is broken, which could be anywhere between $49/bc to $69/bc. One thing is for sure, the amount of suckers left who are willing to jump on the moving and ever accelerating train is drawing thin,
jcpham: and so are their pockets.
imsaguy: jcpham: where'd you copy and paste that from?
imsaguy: so now they're up to .06/share
imsaguy: once it hits .1, divs will halve
jurov: mircea_popescu dunno where would the oix be if calls were available throughout
mircea_popescu: jurov thing is a certain strike can't push it past a certain level
Chaang-Noi: okay so they ahve about 15% of the weekly coins...
Chaang-Noi: hmmm... about expected, i guess tehy are not solomining
Chaang-Noi: imsaguy less tha halve, 20% or so will aslo be collected for new hardware
Chaang-Noi: so we will get like 40% of what they mine...
Chaang-Noi: imsaguy how did you get .06 per share?
Chaang-Noi: buying more asics means more coins... and a company worth more.. cant just look at dividends
imsaguy: the first dividend was like .03x
Chaang-Noi: PsycoticBoy if we take the 40% of todays dividends and x 52 we get .416 pretty damn solid
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.61000, Best ask: 47.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 47.77175, 24 hour volume: 99687.93083192, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.99952
smickles: look, there is a corelated rise of "mainstream" with the recent rise in "bitcoin"
Chaang-Noi: i see this stock being worth .5 easy, and much much more if bfl fail
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21046328 = 210.4633 BTC [+]
mod6: lol "bitcoin bitcoin bitcoin"
jurov: it's about to fall any minute purportedly
mircea_popescu: Mar 06 07:58:51 <mircea_popescu> o hey, it occurs to me, this is the right time to get hacked right ?
jurov: oh and how is your proximity to the tech sector today, mircea?
mod6: ah! didn't know that
mircea_popescu: mod6 was a ddos back in jan, set up the entire proxy structure then. that's when jurov made his, i think smickles has one too
jcpham: apparently i pasted a one liner in -otc and stopped someone from dropping 50k from a BoA from their cell phone on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: im just grepping this log for "hacked" atm, it's loads of fun
jcpham: "Rising asset prices create euphoria, and euphoria significantly drops the IQ of the participants."
mircea_popescu: liek Mar 06 16:13:53 <pigeons> i can't get the only service that has never been hacked to come up
Chilca: mircea_popescu: maybe is something wrong in my notebook
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: is mpex down?
mircea_popescu: Chilca there's a pretty dumb ddos going on the main domain. but you can use any of the proxies jsut fine
ThickAsThieves: "The U.S. dollar is an obvious Ponzi scheme," said Thomas, who thinks the U.S. government has too much debt to raise interest rates high enough to defend the dollar if there were ever a run on it. With Bitcoin, "you feel like you're in control of your money."
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21064341 = 210.6434 BTC [+]
Chilca: urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 60] Operation timed out>
smickles: I just knew the sec would get to mpex sooner or later
assbot: imma gonna start banning
jurov: oh and i almost convinced a dude that coinbr bought mpex
mircea_popescu: Chilca : use something like mpex.coinbr.com to connect
jurov: edit the url in source
imsaguy: assbot: did you know that mpex is down?
jurov: you know i was yest in timisoara and bough some fine asics in budapest en route, that announcement raised some eyebrows, too
jurov: can't remember zactly
mod6: jurov must be tall to fuck a giraffe, or he likes to fuck on a ladder. ;)
mircea_popescu: guy got totally plastered, hitched it with the zoo inventory.
mircea_popescu: mod6 when you're hung like a snake gotta do what you gotta do.
mircea_popescu: neck has to be long enough or else you dip your tip in acid.
mod6: ah! i'll have to keep that in mind.
jurov: yea, without mircea's expert advice, that would've ended badly
mircea_popescu: my host guy is like "you know we nullrooted some stuff"
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 10 @ 0.00062096 = 0.0062 BTC
mod6: heh, i nullroute stuff all the time
mod6: abuse? to the blackhole you go!
jurov: like "nono no nullroutes, i have important businss in nigeria"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35500, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14500, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 101716.35730182, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.12712
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 53 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00072389 = 14.9845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1000 @ 0.21125709 = 211.2571 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "when" is not a valid command.
jurov: !when does bfl deliver
jurov: right on the money
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.65 = 19.5 BTC [-] nice :)
Rick_: When can i use mpex.co?
smickles: Rick_: as soon as you can type mpex.coinbr.com
mod6: (09:20) < mircea_popescu> mod6 how often do customers go "mmkay" << haha, 0. the one guy I do a actual website for doesn't give a shit since he cuts down trees for a living lol
mod6: im like, "russian hackers are fucking with the site so i tossed their packets in the bitbucket..." "huh? whats that?" ".... don't worry it's all good."
Rick_: but i am using coinbr now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: all tghe proxy shit was set-up back in jan when somebody tried to ddos mpex
mircea_popescu: smickles so what've you been up to ? did you get ddosed or something ?
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
maximian: looks like the worst of the s.dice selloff is over
deadweasel: think the price will drop anymore today?
jurov: mircea_popescu but it did work till 2 hours ago
assbot: yea im stupid like dat.
assbot: watch out there. i might be dumb but i have muscle. does that erause you?
gribble: Error: "facepalm" is not a valid command.
assbot: arouse, mirce, arouse. was ment for jurov.
keith_hanson: have they mentioned any reasons for all the lag?
mircea_popescu: <unbalanced> Anyone have theories as to why this runup is so fast then? Is it driven by MPEX futures, or trader manipulation, or is this how the Fed kills BTC: it just buys them all? << historically mpex futures tend to quench rallies (and probably drops too) rather than amplify them
kakobrekla: beatles yesterdays goes through my mind when you do ;;goxlag
mircea_popescu: the reason is that bitcoin which'd normally hit the exchanges pushing the price gets sterilized on derivative trades on mpex
gribble: There are currently 3655.519 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 177792.647437 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00072389 = 3.4747 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.23000, Best ask: 47.40500, Bid-ask spread: 0.17500, Last trade: 47.40500, 24 hour volume: 106149.33438063, 24 hour low: 39.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.27059
mircea_popescu: Regulation can stand in the way of innovation in the interest of protecting consumers. What do entrepreneurs do?"
mircea_popescu: @karenmpd They move. Consumers don't get a say, that's what the definition of consumer implies : "stfu, swallow the menu, say ty".
unbalanced: mircea_popescu, thanks for the reply above. Could someone rich in cash & BTC, holding BTC futures/options at say a $50 strike could have an incentive to buy up BTC to that level to not lose on the option trade?
unbalanced: Or am I a) paranoid? b) ill-informed? c) both? Probably c)
jurov: unbalanced, there were tries , but mostly not successful afaik
Namworld: oh, I missed mircea's reply. What's up with MPEx?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0073 = 0.073 BTC [+]
jurov: not a frontend, just proxy
[\\\]: whatever happened to solidcoin?
jurov: [\\\]: you're digging it out of grave
[\\\]: I went to the website and the latest news is from January
mircea_popescu: unbalanced in theory this is possible. however this theory tends to blow up in practice. it's no different from any attempt to corner a market, and those have historically ended up poorly.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, the mpoe bot book is limited. you can't get much more than 20k or so notional exposure per strike
mircea_popescu: with a lot of finesse you could construct synthetic positions of maybe 100k, but not 1mn and over.
mircea_popescu: moreover because all trade settles in btc on mpex that defacto sterilizes some currency too
mircea_popescu: in short : i've put a lot of thinking into creating macrostability here, i obviously may have overlooked holes/been stupid/etc, but it won't be trivial in any case.
mod6: (10:04) < mircea_popescu> i think it was about time twitter got a dose of mp. << yes!
unbalanced: mircea_popescu, jurov: thx for the replies
mod6: jcpham: oh man, <3 Del Taco
unbalanced: glad to know all is well in mpex-land... time to get back to work
jcpham: I manufacture my own reality
gribble: Error: "whowas" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "was" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00469999 = 1.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so did s.dice get massacred because people thought mpex is gone ?
jcpham: dude this guys mind is primed for bitcoin
jcpham: 7:15 t-shirt says "unkuck the world"
kakobrekla: also planting that shit in the middle of the LA
jcpham: the man has got him down kakobrekla
jurov: mircea_popescu, no that happened yesterday. today dice it didn't move much
mod6: this guy is awesome
mod6: well, na. fuck the man, plant a garden. mine some bitcoins, etc.
jcpham: fuck tha man, plant a garden, mine bitcoins sounds like a tshirt i need
dub: friedcat did it again
dub: sent 0.000000001/share then a div
mod6: haha ya! "PLANT SOME SHIT!"
mod6: america needs more people like this guy who are devoted to action
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40 @ 0.00469999 = 0.188 BTC [+]
dub: im going aquaponics when I finally get a house
dub: grow FISH and PLANTS
mod6: jcpham: the UNFUCK THE WORLD t-shirt was pretty great too
mod6: i'd prolly wear it everyday if I had one
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4789366.42662 based on data since last change | 4948929.82503 based on data for last three days
dub: is the txn confirmed?
ThickAsThieves: basically it does the transactions but displays incorrectly
dub: the asicminer div txn isnt
dub: so its normal to show up like that
ThickAsThieves: referring to someone suspecting there is an issue with desltop clienbt
mod6: EB is like, "O if you move S.DICE I'll buy some!!! JUST KIDDING! LOL I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT HIGH AND SOLD LOW!"
dub: surpise, guy is ubertarded
mod6: haha he trolls hard
jcpham: aww man dank got scammer tagged
jcpham: but he had a soul guarantee
gribble: Current Blocks: 224570 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4779207.20236 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.41719
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.00000, Best ask: 48.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 48.05000, 24 hour volume: 104401.10769022, 24 hour low: 39.50000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.61632
mod6: eat your heart out bernakazi
mod6: MPOE-PR stepped on your nuts huh?
mod6: i dunno, why all the hard trolls & h8tred?
ZedsterX: does bitpay being on amazon make us legit now?
deadweasel: I'm pretty sure you are MP, being your own troll
mod6: dutifully moved right along to the next helping of predigested yet certifiedly safe circlejerk product. << exactly.
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.93000 U.S. dollars = 36.7758766 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00072389 = 4.6691 BTC [+]
Namworld: ah, nvm. I guess I was consistently refreshing right when options were not up.
Namworld: I refreshed twice and no options were showing up from the market bot.
Namworld: your reasoning seems broken... time to get some S.DICE
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the valuation by last trade algo is prolly dubious
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00300001 / 0.00452788 / 0.0052 (39220 shares, 177.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00577697 / 0.0063799 (549867 shares, 3,176.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00588503 / 0.007395 (6670790 shares, 39,257.82 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.56142347 / 49.63791534 (no shares, 17,752.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 3 @ 0.0639995 = 0.192 BTC [-]
deadweasel: yeah, I need to stop looking at bitfunder. I just want to watch things happen.
deadweasel: i like observing this thing. this, bitcoin, thing.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: how often is the oix updated?
mod6: has any one else been eating popcorn and watching Krugman try to battle the guys on ZH?
mod6: not sure if its really him... but it's entertaining either way
mircea_popescu: hard to tell which is the larger idiot, the zh borg or krugman
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.45780, Bid-ask spread: 0.10780, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 105673.56321148, 24 hour low: 39.51020, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.82315
dub: new video of avalon trying to ship units
mod6: yeah, some of those guys on ZH are somewhat entertaining
mod6: there seems to be a real lack of brains when it comes to bitcoin on there though
deadweasel: I have seen no surplus in brains anywhere in bitcoin, except a few here and there.
deadweasel: bitcoin has been my financial baptism by fire. lucky I made money while learning
Lyspooner: this is not the normal channel welcome message
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner the scams there got moved to bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4405 = 4.405 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: normally it's a list of all the sites that house bitcoin assets
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Massage4BTC.com is now operational and lets anyone offer local massage services for BTC."
mircea_popescu: "herpderp i learned sort-of webcoding over the summer so now i start a business where other people do the work. it's a platform."
chmod755: mircea_popescu, wait...isn't that what mpex does?
chmod755: S.DICE makes the money - you get rich lol
mircea_popescu: what've they traded since august, say 200k btc or so ? i've made 400 btc off that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4205 = 1.2615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.335 = 3.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.335 = 1.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.33317 = 3.3317 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.41 = 2.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.65 = 16.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
deadweasel: I was just wondering where I could find a massage for BTC?
deadweasel: is there like, an internet site for that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33317 = 0.6663 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 640 @ 0.22052312 = 141.1348 BTC [+]
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.63946252 / 49.7064472 (no shares, 17,893.87 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
jurov: deadweasel is dead
jurov: mpex.co is back online so all should work
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00000, Best ask: 46.59790, Bid-ask spread: 0.59790, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 109849.30848531, 24 hour low: 39.79000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00791
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
jurov: deadweasel,no,gribble is nanotube's. assbot has borrowed intelligence from kakobrekla.
jurov: maybe muscles,too, dunno
deadweasel: jurov: ok, thx. they are both nice bots. even S&M assbot, but I do that in PMs now.
jurov: consider yourself lucky, i was rejected by assbot :/
deadweasel: tankage indeed, people must be market selling
deadweasel: but there are some hungry sponges out there too
jurov: i think today's bank wires and whatever went into bitcoins, tomorrow it may repeat
jurov: when fresh fiat arrives
jurov: bitcoin will eat it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.27057, Best ask: 45.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.71943, Last trade: 45.99000, 24 hour volume: 111972.55000310, 24 hour low: 39.79001, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.02130
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
dub: yeah newsflash gox sux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0046 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]
Ukto: as soon as confirms are done, DT will be paying on BF
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 62 @ 0.00549 = 0.3404 BTC [+]
Ukto: btw, G.ASICMER-PT now holders 1,020,273 confirmed ASICMINER shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.71051, Best ask: 45.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28949, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 114058.31082349, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.04732
Ukto: the last was 0.02354460
Ukto: and it was for all earnings up to that point
Ukto: that means the last week picked up a lot of earnings
Ukto: next week should easily surpass it
DeaDTerra1: HAHAH one million shares was a bit strong xD
Ukto: and copied the wrong thing :P
jcpham: i sold some coins for $50 today
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.71051, Bid-ask spread: 0.51051, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 114660.97979107, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.05104
jcpham: how is that even acceptable or possible
jcpham: mircea_popescu: 5 coins...
jcpham: i sold 5 coins during the height of the day for shits and giggles
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.20000, Best ask: 44.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 44.50000, 24 hour volume: 114844.81528356, 24 hour low: 39.85750, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.05435
swhitt: i wish mtgoxlive would work better.
mircea_popescu: i can't believe forum idiots actually propose btctalk as a comparison for anything.
Bugpowder: anyone know EXACTLY how wash sale rules effect a long-term cap gain? As in, if I buy a stock for $5, sell it 8 months later for $10, rebuy for $9 the next day then sell again for $50 8 months after that.
Bugpowder: Is the $50 sale considered long-term or short term
Bugpowder: I know the $10 sale is short term, despite the wash sale repurchase.
mircea_popescu: jcpham ok, some idiot who came up with the brilliant idea that because the cost of making websites is small, the internet will never exist
mircea_popescu: because myspace profiles will compete each other into irrelevance
jurov: According to the Communist Manifesto, there were three major reasons why capitalism would come to a halt.
mircea_popescu: one of them being that youthful cocks with milkstrings still atached will end up publishing on wanna-be "respectable" venues a la seeking alpha as if they were people.
jurov: lol i never heard about this school.. prolly too many "higher education" schools around
jurov: in one 450-thousand city
mircea_popescu: every halfwit with a "liberal arts" degree in nothing specifically from Nowhere University is going to, on the mid term, publish a finite nonzero number of papers
jurov: From a historical standpoint, major economic bubbles are a rare phenomenon. Unlike business cycles, which occur quite frequently and with great regularity, there have not been many bubbles throughout history.
jurov: first two sentences from the body text
mircea_popescu: i can't even write about this shit, it'd be doing it favours ;/
BitHub: so...how much did asicminer share pay per share?
dub: they sent it anyway, hadn't confirmed last I looked
Lyspooner: to what end? he doesn't care about bitcoin so much as he just wants people who cry "bubble!" to be held to certain standards
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749889.19275 based on data since last change | 4913870.80684 based on data for last three days
jurov: i daresay marketmaking for difficulty is less risky than one for price
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner so i made a spurious comment on the interwebs.
jurov: but the asics are still big unknowns
mircea_popescu: jurov it's gotten to that point hasn't it. funny how things topple in btc.
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 29.08954763 / 47.63946252 / 49.7064472 (no shares, 17,893.87 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jcpham: Your money is stored securely in the cloud (with 90% offline in secure storage), so if you lose your phone your money is still safe.
mircea_popescu: jcpham remember the polish exchange that mtgox acquired in 2011 ?
thestringpuller: does that mean option marketers are manipulating the price?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller possibly that they draw from the same reservoir of future as the price does.
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 428772.0536 USD and would take the last price down to 40.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 42.8772 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 634 @ 0.00073 = 0.4628 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it is kinda funny, shrem gets owned, site is offline for three days, customers miss rally, popescu is ddosed nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must be bruising egos but other than that... heh. who cares.
dub: I was expecting a much different picture
BitHub: peeps are working on it
BitHub: just a buy and sell service
BitHub: well not even sell, just buy
jurov: no it's romanian. we don't use children.
AndroUser512: He says it means wallet in vietnamese or sumth
BitHub: north korean or something
mircea_popescu: jurov only because couldn't figure out how to make any :D
jurov: i see nothing untoward on frontpage
BitHub: alot of people were asking were you were about 8 hours ago mircea
BitHub: told them you got kidnapped by the CIA again
jurov: poor smickles,just came after 3wks and immediately had to calm the situation
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00549 = 2.745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it was funny, cause when he went the other ddos was recent
mircea_popescu: lol so our friendly ddosers actually wiped the upstream provider.
Lyspooner: hell hath no fury like a script kiddie scorned
mircea_popescu: in between these extremes a number of intermediate solutions.
Lyspooner: Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a script kiddie scorned
kakobrekla: so the proxy idea doesnt work after all
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well anything on the internet is limited by the internet actually existing.
jurov: mircea_popescu can't the engine just get moved to completely different dc?
mircea_popescu: but i dislike this sort of solutions, just hop around dcs ?
jurov: and only proxies would know where.. as long as it stays secret, no hoppin necessary
mircea_popescu: this is a small scale garden variety tor implementation.
Lyspooner: Uncertainty and expectation are the joys of life. Security is an insipid thing.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner shush you, you're not the one with the suspended exchange.
Lyspooner: that's not me, that's william congreve
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpex would be on tor, proxies would be on normal web.
mircea_popescu: well look, ddos mitigation is an exercise in moving upstream.
mircea_popescu: what i had here was enough to make 10-100 Gb attacks ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: someone taking down all tor nodes is a coupla degrees of magnitude over that.
kakobrekla: ya but they still know your current location
kakobrekla: and if you change it to unknown its same shit if you keep it hidden via tor or via decent
http proxies
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not really, you can actually trace to source with
http proxies.
kakobrekla: if they cant take tpb down with a solution like that
jcpham: "If Coinbase borrowed inventory off btcjam (as btcquick does) they'd probably fund pretty quickly and have a better cost basis"
jcpham: the internet is full of idiots today
jcpham: so the btcjam coins are being sold, eh
BitHub: mpex should lend out 100btc on btcjam and never see any of teh btc again
jurov: do we know where the bticointalk coins ended up?
jcpham: selling borrowed coins was tried a few times at least once already
jcpham: none of the borrowed coins were returned afaik
BitHub: btcjam should be ddosed
BitHub: piece of shit site/service
jcpham: apparently they are more liquid that coinbase
BitHub: demented animals that invent this crap
jcpham: so apparently reddit can't find btc
jcpham: and gox orders are stacking up
jcpham: all the bitcoins are gone!
mod6: kakobrekla: that's a one out of the rg playbook :)
pigeons: coinlab will roll out its instawallet clone
jcpham: maybe coinlab should roll out a lending service
jcpham: those work great for liquidity
pigeons: coinlab is gonna bring bitcoin to wallstreet man
jcpham: they could pay interest on deposits
BitHub: stop giving coinlab ideas
BitHub: next you'll be telling them how to offer insurance
jcpham: they could pay interest on deposits and then use those deposited coins to sell
pigeons: ooh and they should offer coin storage
jcpham: ooh maybe even a mixer
pigeons: and a gpu farm integrated into independent video games
BitHub: they're already cutting into BitHub's market share
jcpham: just wait until one of these guys starts offering interest on deposits
jcpham: yeah exactly like 7% a week
BitHub: what a mind blowing concept
jcpham: it will be a revolutionary concept to the internet at large
pigeons: i thought 7% a week must be a scam, BUT YCOMBINATOR!
jurov: heh, mtgoxlive loaded for me first time today
jurov: deflationary currency. with 7% weekly interest. austrian economists, take that.
jurov: better than perpetuum mobile
pigeons: well we are still at 25 btc/block inflation
jcpham: <doctor_pullfingr> -I don't know where coinbase buys. All I'm saying is that they're out and have been for a couple of days. When they no longer say they're out. I think the price of BTC stabilizes. Maybe it's a leading indicator.
jcpham: newbs in -otc talking about coinbase out of money
pigeons: how can they be out of money? YCOMBINATOR
jurov: anyone named the source?
pigeons: OMG surely there are no alternative sites using twitter bootstrap that will buy bitcoins for us off an exchange for an extra fee
jcpham: i'm totally a noob though
jurov: btw, didn't anyone try to compare coinlab sales with pirate's loot? whether the amount isn't approximately similar, perchance
pigeons: why'd you wait till june, japan had gained a lot by then
iz: jurov: how much did pirate actually make off with? i think it's unknown, b/c everyone won't fess up about how much they got paid back in interest
mircea_popescu: hey, people wanna show off their muscle, let them show it off to people who care.
Bugpowder: is that going to redirect the ddos to wh?
mod6: lol, that actually worked.
mod6: redirect from mpex.co to whitehouse.gov
mod6: and needed to subsequently quote zero-wing
jcpham: that's terrible mircea_popescu
jurov: everyone, now try to submit post requests to whitehouse
jurov: with gpg encrypted mpex stuff
pigeons: romainian bitterrorist pornagrapher points site at whitehouse to direct shadowy hackers to take down usa's "critical infrastructure"
dub: inb4 black helicopters
jurov: pointing pympex to whitehouse.gov got HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
jurov: completely appropriate
dub: 250k btc I think was the popular rumour
BitHub: So Henry Paulson is the new C.E.O of coinlab?
mircea_popescu: leson learned : when someone throws a quarter tb of crap at you
jcpham: His name was Robert Paulsen
Bugpowder: This bothers me " Whether you are a savvy investor, Bitcoin merchant, or crypto-hobbiest, trading Bitcoin in the US and Canada is about to get faster, easier, and even more secure."
Bugpowder: You have a misspelling in the first sentence of your splash page
mod6: i shouldnt laugh at that, i misspell tons of words :/
Bugpowder: Current Price 541m ago Mt. Gox sockets are down. Trade data will not update until they come back online, and depth data will only update once every 15 minutes. Sorry!
doctor_pullfingr: from mpex.co front page "The time has come to fill important judicial vacancies"
Bugpowder: weird that all the other websites still work
BitHub: "Thanks to our partnerships with SEC, Taxoffice and the Whitehouse, we can now provide these services"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.90000, Best ask: 46.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 119925.05033138, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.19828
jcpham: Ashton Kutcher’s A-Grade Investments joined with Ben Davenport and Trace Mayer in another round of seed founding for BitPay.
BitHub: thank christ for ashton kutcher
dub: ok, so with bitcoin roken, where is the bottom
BitHub: Charlie Sheen bitcoin company will be better
iz: BitHub: you'll take that back once you find out he's just punking the btc community for a new MTV series
BitHub: ahh so that's who's been trolling the price lately
jcpham: if ashton gets to play satoshi ina bitcoin movie i'll be upset
mod6: Dude, where's my bitcoins?
dub: its gotta be ryan gosling
pigeons: mircea_popescu has a doctor evil suit
pigeons: piefucker played a good satoshi
mod6: dub: then all girls will want to go and see it
BitHub: would you guys ever fund a movie with bitcoins?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 120 @ 0.22222082 = 26.6665 BTC [+]
BitHub: i think you should fund my movie
mircea_popescu: BitHub i acrtually had some outfit in chicago to do me a short
jcpham: i asked Ashton who is going to play Satoshi
jcpham: we'll see if he responds
BitHub: a short for what mircea?
BitHub: with you acting in it?
mircea_popescu: you know the "are you the brain specialist" monthy python sketch ?
mircea_popescu: so it was going to be a remake of that, except with the
BitHub: i was suppose to make a short film this year to take to Robert Rodriguez and troublemaker studios for their new television network EL REY
BitHub: but doing this crap instead
mircea_popescu: was just about the time the various idiots were popping post-pirate
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the only bitcoin service hacked by the white house ?
pigeons: i dont know anything about ianbakeweall, but kinda weird to just say, "i suspect this guy is involved in the ddos"
BitHub: hah mircea i'm pretty intrested in making some bitcoin commercials
BitHub: i had this one idea of like a Mr. Satoshi montage
mod6: get the sham-wow guy
pigeons: why do they say that guy would ddos mpex?
BitHub: he's been a lil off lately
BitHub: got some jah ones instead better divs
Bugpowder: he called the S.DICE short pretty well
Bugpowder: instead of borrow at .0062 and not sell it in time
pigeons: well he still has to buy them back
Bugpowder: I didn't see a sale go off at .0062 of that size
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 0.65 = 20.8 BTC [-]
Namworld: erhm... MPEx redirects to the whitehouse.gov website? lol...
kakobrekla: hm so acsic miner aint that hot all of a sudden?
BitHub: JAH shares atm are much better value to buy than AISCMINER and BAKEWELL
pigeons: oh so the ddos comment was so that people couldnt buy up s.dice
BitHub: i dont get why you would buy asicminer shares where jah's are much better value and get roughly the same pay out div for alot cheaper
pigeons: but asic right in the name!
BitHub: that's why may as well get jah
pigeons: he actually has avalons in his hands?
Namworld: BitHub: JAH has nowhere near the same potential tho...
BitHub: no avalons in his hands but his asicminer divs are kicking in
Namworld: Would go down while ASICMINER will go up in mined coins.
BitHub: i'm getting 0.00072538btc a share atm
dub: remember they guy runnning JAH is retarded
dub: though that hasn't hurt dice
dub: were seeign $2 this week
Namworld: Currently I'd be shorting almost anything.
BitHub: it was like .06 a few weeks ago hey
Namworld: No... because those small mining ops don't look good.
Namworld: plus USD/BTC price just further promotes shorting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00072389 = 13.9349 BTC [+]
BitHub: how much is asicminer paying per share atm?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9076 @ 0.00073711 = 6.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5247 @ 0.00074548 = 3.9115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41427 @ 0.00074999 = 31.0698 BTC [+]
Namworld: How much Terahash is ASICMINER at now?
dub: mircea_popescu: new of USG backing
mircea_popescu: "mpex the first bitcoin business to implement quantitative easing"
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.262 = 0.524 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2576 = 1.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01002, Best ask: 45.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03998, Last trade: 45.05000, 24 hour volume: 120957.15085783, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.23178
mircea_popescu: holland was forever trying to block romania's access to schengen zone
mircea_popescu: bucharest shocked them by going fu, we don't want in anymore.
Namworld: Who has mining stocks to lend me? As always I have lots of backings available and good borrowing habits.
mod6: mircea_popescu: probably a really good call.
mod6: the eurozone will be the zone of misery once this thing starts to unwravel faster than it already is.
mod6: and no one in their right mind would want to lose soverignty to some EU technocrat
BitHub: Namworld what sort of stocks?
Namworld: Pretty much anything that is not ASICMINER
BitHub: i had some bakewell but got rid of them and got some jah
kakobrekla: first you got baked well now you have rasta jah. in style.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 750 @ 0.28155951 = 211.1696 BTC [-]
BitHub: maybe about 20 to play with nam?
Namworld: How many do you have total and how long were you planning to hold them?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
BitHub: think peeps realizing, overpricing on asicminer
BitHub: <ozbot> The White House
mod6: pretty good depth on the ask side now... (looking at bitcoincharts.com)
kakobrekla: yes juding by the traffic, noone was using them. duh!
BitHub: hahha peeps are taking this seriously
BitHub: they think mircea has becomea CIA snitch
BitHub: heh this is probably a huge PR for mp
BitHub: time to contact cnn news
dub: mircea_popescu: nobody knows
BitHub: troll it a lil further
dub: if you want to uber troll stick up an ICE takedown
doctor_pullfingr: Bugpowder if that's you, you called the top every 10 minutes for two months straight
Bowjob: did usg just sieze it?
Bugpowder_: you should redirect to an FBI 'seized domain' page
dub: mpex and bitcion protocol hacked at the same time
mod6: well, mpex.co still goes to wh.gov so *shrug*
dub: probably time to panic
Bugpowder_: could this be causing the fall in BTC prices?
BitHub: people will be like WTF MPEX?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.30000, Best ask: 44.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 44.40000, 24 hour volume: 121935.01959325, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.24020
dub: Bugpowder_: probably the block size issue
BitHub: making a reddit post now
dub: Bugpowder_: /sprobably/hopefully
Bugpowder_: I still need to take a pic of the Kruggerand vs 25BTC Casascius coin
BitHub: tweeting fox news now mircea
BitHub: tweeting all the news networks
Bugpowder_: ineededausername: I think its the $12 price rise in 36hours
dub: I expect a lot of people watching their transactiosn not going through
ineededausername: because that would make me feel confident about the price again
dub: seeing the devs begging miners to fix it
BitHub: i don't feel confident in mpex its been seized
dub: I heard kim dotcom is dumping
BitHub: jesus you dont want to be near that guy when he dumps
Bowjob: 49.09, the high of 2013
dub: oh yeah theres a bitcoin movie called dude where my coins announced too
Namworld: ugh... fucking whitehouse.gov, that ain't interesting
mod6: (15:34) < dub> I heard kim dotcom is dumping << and if you believe btctalk, he's changing his name to kim bitcoin
mod6: yeah, Dude, where's my Bitcoins?
Bugpowder_: and 48.0, 47.98, 46.5 46, 40.5, 40, 35.0 etc
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.93469, Best ask: 43.95602, Bid-ask spread: 0.02133, Last trade: 43.93469, 24 hour volume: 122933.59660769, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.23253
deadweasel: i think 40 is floor maybe? unless more of the same tomorrow.
Bowjob: this is actually a flash crash
deadweasel: i know. I think we do to, if only after the weekend and the media gets through
BitHub: see a big surge in a hour
Bowjob: whats going on with mpex
Bugpowder_: but I need to figure out this wash sale shit with long term vs. short term cap gains
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.86000, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 42.86000, 24 hour volume: 123951.17643418, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.21823
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ actually tax thing is a major disincentive to selling for many ppl.
Bugpowder_: shouldn't S.DICE be rallying right about now???
Namworld: S.DICE can't rally if MPEx is unavailable
Bugpowder_: Now my mtgox account is getting moved to US
Bugpowder_: can't hide those transactions, gotta report it.
deadweasel: make a plan, determine where/what denomination/ how to store your wealth. Find property, do the research to dtermine best course of action.
mod6: and S.DICE isn't unavailble, the mpex.coinbr.com is processing orders
Bowjob: just do irl transactions, no record
BitHub: any americans want acces to a mtgox account?
mod6: well, at least my stat went through anyway
Namworld: I can't connect to mpex.coinbr.com
Bugpowder_: I am selling below gox on localbitcoins
mod6: works fine for me Namworld, just tried it again
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.43692, Best ask: 42.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.46308, Last trade: 42.43692, 24 hour volume: 124522.10296094, 24 hour low: 40.01120, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.20818
BitHub: Bugpowder i have a mtgox account
BitHub: want to go through me?
Namworld: I don't have tools to trade on it I mean. I could do it manually tho
BitHub: you're going to get fucked by coinlab anyway
Bugpowder_: I told all my friends to sell this morning too.
BitHub: while still wearing your pants
BitHub: at least i remove your pants first
mod6: i think we're gonna retrace down to say $35, and the rally will continue
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85433966 = 854.3397 BTC [-]
dub: when news hits that the network is broken..
dub: its gonna be a fire sale
mod6: im still long term bullish. if it goes down low, i'll just BTFD :D
mod6: and I don't think the network is "broken" its just piling up with tx's
dub: Bowjob: block size limit hit, transactiosn are piling up
mod6: so one guy was asking to increase the block size
Bowjob: i vote ban S.Dice for the meantime
Bugpowder_: That put short was profitable though right?
Bowjob: then fix the blocksize
Bowjob: then let dice have its fill
Bowjob: or at least make the bets 1 BTC min
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27233775 = 272.3378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31662031 = 316.6203 BTC [+]
Bugpowder_: how much of dice profits are from bets below .1?
dub: I think a healthy return to $2 first
Bowjob: its below 4 BTC from doogs
dub: and when I say we I mean I
BitHub: s.dice should pay higher fees
dub: s.deuce is paying higher fees as of today
dub: its part of the problem
dub: instead of only their txn stalling errybodys are
mircea_popescu: consequently, all the libertards will get pushed out of bitcoin
BitHub: someone should hax them for a week
BitHub: i'm sick of sitting at cafes for 4 hours waiting for a transaction to confirm
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.3428 = 0.6856 BTC [-]
Bowjob: this is such a bear day
Bowjob: i cant bear to watch this bullshit
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27169201 = 271.692 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3160137 = 316.0137 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.5300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85593586 = 855.9359 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nice race too, i wonder how much they manage to squeeze through
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder_ he made pretty good loot, .3-4 over what, 15k ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.344 = 5.16 BTC [+]
BitHub: <+starsoccer> wtf do you mean cia snitch
Bugpowder_: so which txns were stalled? All mine went thru?
mod6: starsoccer is a scammer
mod6: and for some reason, an op
BitHub: <danieldaniel> mircea got raided - lul
mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders why gmaxwell is an idiot, that's it right there.
BitHub: people are really getting upset in otc mircea
BitHub: they think you're really gone haha
BitHub: i should paste bin it for you
BitHub: its funny as hell tho, main topic of discussion atm
Bowjob: someone is clearly dumping
mod6: no dandan fled, they were just spreading disinformation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.5300001 BTC [-]
BitHub: <bitcoinbubble> what happened to mpex.co
dub: I tried :( [18:55] <dub> bitcoinbubble: jews did mpex
Namworld: 5k BTC purchase and we'd be back to 48... thin line...
Namworld: I'm not sure we're done rising yet.
mod6: (15:53) <+mod6> (15:52) < danieldaniel> MPEX is gone << DDOS brought down the main site, you can get to it here: mpex.coinbr.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.47 = 3.76 BTC [+]
BitHub: <bitcoinbubble> did mpex guy run off with the money?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.11111, Best ask: 41.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.38889, Last trade: 42.00000, 24 hour volume: 126252.65323883, 24 hour low: 40.14460, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.18147
BitHub: "sell out to coinlab you know you want to"
dub: oh shi bitcoinity came back?
BitHub: they should have that on their site
Bowjob: this is actually called a bear trap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.0046 = 1.932 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: fastcash4bitcoins suddenly has funds available to buy again
Bugpowder_: I KNEW they just shut down buying into the blow off top
BitHub: heh all of a sudden hey bug
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27153039 = 271.5304 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.12100, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.77900, Last trade: 41.02010, 24 hour volume: 126502.71591685, 24 hour low: 40.30100, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 45.17366
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31586188 = 315.8619 BTC [-]
Bugpowder_: which is an email based service, so I doubt it.
Bowjob: its a market manipulator
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85630842 = 856.3084 BTC [+]
mod6: i think we're going right backup
Bowjob: Canadian bitcoins.. buy $55.. sell $42
jurov: 10 minute lag... and bitcoincharts not with out either
Bugpowder_: hmm... wonder if my mtgox bids actually got cancells
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 392180.3720 USD and would take the last price down to 37.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 39.2180 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 2549350.7477 USD and would take the last price down to 14.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 25.4935 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds
jurov: ooooh quite a difference
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
gribble: The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 41.38470 USD. | Data vintage: 86.2046 seconds
mircea_popescu: "^OIX": "7d": {"avg": "4746815366","min": "3024983876","max": "4950599490","vsh": "no","vsa": "1.89472677534E+12","cnt": ""}
blu3gr1ffon: it's been too nuts lately. need some stability
Bowjob: you can still sell bitcoins at 47 dollars each
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 200 @ 0.05329654 = 10.6593 BTC [-]
jurov: pssst, gox is falling
jurov: seems the lag grows faster than clock time
kakobrekla: mpex deposits - faster than mtgox trading engine.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.85668542 = 856.6854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.27136871 = 271.3687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.31571 = 315.71 BTC [-]
nanotube: mircea_popescu: mpex seems inaccessible atm?
kakobrekla: >Bitcoin Price Reaches All-Time High after Mt. Gox Announces CoinLab Partnership
kakobrekla: yeah, i also farted twice before the high.
Bugpowder_: So funny, coinlab didn't even have a chance to fuck it up
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah, didn't know there were proxies. :)
Bugpowder_: This is definitely a bad time for a market order
jurov: seems for mtgox is easier to split US off than to fix their engine
Namworld: this trend could revert in an instead like all the previous rises
Bugpowder_: will my bids clear in time to catch the dump?
Bugpowder_: Namworld, the last 48 hours were very very simlar to last top
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 39.89000, 24 hour volume: 133904.00033926, 24 hour low: 38.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.87318
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.25000, Best ask: 39.90000, Bid-ask spread: 1.65000, Last trade: 39.90000, 24 hour volume: 134097.13923724, 24 hour low: 38.25000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.85953
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah cool. so i presume your twitter will keep listing the latest proxies?
Bugpowder_: this is what happens when 100 people hit SELL MARKET at the same time
hctib: what's the damage?
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
hctib: 40.4 is my best guess at the ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23556839 = 235.5684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26615673 = 266.1567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3108139 = 310.8139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hctib ppl are covering long positions desperately for the past hour or so
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.86980593 = 869.8059 BTC [+]
jurov: lol slush saw the mpex page and said "alpaca socks eshop was never hacked, too."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.89000, Best ask: 40.51000, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 39.89000, 24 hour volume: 137698.19346541, 24 hour low: 38.00100, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.72163
mircea_popescu: but tell him i said his pool never saw as much btc as mpex saw this year alone.
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
kakobrekla: still whole infrastructure is falling apart
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 38.00100, Best ask: 38.03130, Bid-ask spread: 0.03030, Last trade: 38.03130, 24 hour volume: 138552.24765830, 24 hour low: 37.90000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.68042
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, the 49-39 drop happened on 30k bitcoins worht of volume
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.26 = 2.6 BTC [+]
dub: a LOT more coin jsut showed up for sale
jurov: kakobrekla can't you just make assbot query proxy address?
dub: if it bounces its only gonna be for a minute
kakobrekla: some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.
dub: fucking pastebin down too
blu3gr1ffon: dub, what do you mean it will only bounec for a minute?
mircea_popescu: Why is your site redirecting to the whitehouse? I thought it was secure?
dub: I think some people realised they might miss out on selling at 50, a shitload more asks showed up there recently, presumably to catch teh bounce
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.87894633 = 878.9463 BTC [+]
Bowjob: hold on tight, we are bouncing back
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23360747 = 233.6075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26253021 = 262.5302 BTC [-]
Bowjob: panic selling and panic buying is always a bad idea
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.30740716 = 307.4072 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: after someone makes a fast trading engine
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
Bowjob: thats cuz someone dumped USD
Bowjob: it caused BTC to go billions
hctib: I can't connect to mpex.co
Bowjob: cant we have an anonymous exchange
dub: kakobrekla: perhaps something in teh /topic?
Bowjob: and an anonymous debit card
dub: but right now we cant go READ TEH FUCKING TOPIC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.00000, Best ask: 38.00190, Bid-ask spread: 1.00190, Last trade: 37.00000, 24 hour volume: 142568.29851439, 24 hour low: 37.00000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.49249
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1573 = 15.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [-]
dub: it'd sure be nice to trade on this
dub: oh hey gox farted out an update
dub: <bitcoinRT> Mar07 00:33:45 mtgox x499 5,774.6084 @ 37.8195421 USD
jurov: coinbr keeps getting mpex deposits as if nothing was happening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00073204 = 49.6323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00073204 = 49.6323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8573 @ 0.00074999 = 6.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8573 @ 0.00074999 = 6.4297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00074999 = 4.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6515 @ 0.00074999 = 4.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1817112 @ 0.00075 = 1362.834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1817112 @ 0.00075 = 1362.834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P210T] 10 @ 0.05264551 = 0.5265 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31000, Best ask: 37.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.69000, Last trade: 36.31000, 24 hour volume: 146035.97593336, 24 hour low: 36.31000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 44.31001
Bowjob: i shoulda listned to bug that time
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 200 @ 0.05608295 = 11.2166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23340951 = 233.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26219875 = 262.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3070958 = 307.0958 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 76 @ 0.65 = 49.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.87975412 = 879.7541 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.15664416 = 156.6442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.17343444 = 173.4344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.19179501 = 191.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.2117738 = 211.7738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.23340951 = 233.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.26219875 = 262.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.3070958 = 307.0958 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.425 = 2.975 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31000, Best ask: 36.34608, Bid-ask spread: 0.03608, Last trade: 36.31000, 24 hour volume: 157207.79114001, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.69425
Eduard_Munteanu: I should really go play a game or something, else I might do something stupid like buy in again too early.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
jcpham: i did some profit taking at 50 otc
jcpham: which i am mildly proud of
jurov: maybe start buying slowly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.44 = 14.4 BTC [-]
Bowjob: how did u see that coming
Bowjob: i woulda believed u honestly if u didnt buy puts and got killed
Eduard_Munteanu: I'm worried bad news might hit US, then Europe by tommorow and they'll sell further. The market depth is rather pathetic.
jcpham: eligius mined the 95btc txn block
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu and to think ppl were whining about s.dice mkt depth
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: market depth seemed much better before we hit $40
dub: why would you want it?
mircea_popescu: blu3gr1ffon you can't, it has to crash for the iluminati to make bank first.
dub: there will be plenty for everyone under $1
jcpham: hooray if you sold today
jcpham: not hooray if you bought
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.00000, Best ask: 35.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 35.60000, 24 hour volume: 157738.28216881, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.65915
jcpham: hge haircut today for any buyer
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jcpham: buy before noon, lose %20 by dinner
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.10667, Best ask: 35.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88333, Last trade: 34.70000, 24 hour volume: 157860.94560379, 24 hour low: 33.83133, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.64208
Bowjob: RIP guys, see you at single digits
mircea_popescu: abnd now the mpoe bot can't quote anymore because the pricefeed finally died.
jurov: it doesn't use bitcoincharts?
dub: nah, just use one from magic teh gathering, It'll do
Bowjob: i wanna ignore bitcoin
Bowjob: yeap, back to where we started
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
jurov: assbot, you better watch ur own stuff
assbot: Whitehouse does not know S.MPOE.
jurov: live.coinbr.com does. shame on you
gribble: 1 BTC = 34.40000 U.S. dollars = 26.3945369 Euros
mod6: (17:04) <@assbot> Whitehouse does not know S.MPOE. << O.O ?! LOL
jurov: Namworld, 1. whale dumped them
jurov: 2. mpoe bot doesn't know what the price is
jurov: due to general breakage
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.42000, Best ask: 35.49800, Bid-ask spread: 0.07800, Last trade: 35.42000, 24 hour volume: 162587.00601570, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.31335
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.91703169 = 917.0317 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.87188, Best ask: 35.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12812, Last trade: 35.00000, 24 hour volume: 163347.55998439, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.27533
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18440754 = 184.4075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20415297 = 204.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22560969 = 225.6097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24880864 = 248.8086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.2932762 = 293.2762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 82 @ 0.06075508 = 4.9819 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: 36.33 and maybe 35, don't remember. Had a 33.33 too but not hit yet
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 255 @ 0.06075508 = 15.4925 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: "goxfag" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 19 @ 0.009 = 0.171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [WHITEHOUSE] 1 @ 0.1337 [+]
jurov: !ticker m whitehouse
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.16249, Best ask: 37.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.83751, Last trade: 37.00000, 24 hour volume: 167512.14667412, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.08314
jurov: ineresting, bitcoinity thinks lag is 18s and price going up to 38
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18362231 = 183.6223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20334305 = 203.3431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22478093 = 224.7809 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24796781 = 247.9678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29181519 = 291.8152 BTC [-]
AndroUser512: But for real did something notable happen or is this a good ole correction? Im mobile n cant research atm
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.14195, Best ask: 39.47423, Bid-ask spread: 2.33228, Last trade: 39.47423, 24 hour volume: 168473.22517826, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.05309
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.92096486 = 920.9649 BTC [+]
jurov: AndroUser512 Maybe something behind scenes with coinlab or so.
gribble: Error: "gox" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.47800, Best ask: 39.87296, Bid-ask spread: 0.39496, Last trade: 39.87296, 24 hour volume: 164990.11107081, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.09008
Chaang-Noi: okay we need to really start a collection fuind for mt gox to get them new hardware...
Chaang-Noi: also is it not a hardware issue? where they hacked?
mircea_popescu: if you can't get a forum to run stable out of > 100k usd, mtgox is outside of what the world can affoerd
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if theymos just kept/spent the fourm money, his plan of fractional reserves i was lik ewtf...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.92093144 = 920.9314 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he was going to let people hold some of the funds but let them spend them...
Chaang-Noi: i was thinking yeah, he is doing that so he can, its retarded
dub: he's best buddies with interscamgo and nefario
dub: so its probably invested there
Chaang-Noi: he is no longer friends with nefario lol
dub: be great if he could refund me
Chaang-Noi: he was just saying how if neferio lost his keys theymos cant release the money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00072486 = 7.7198 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.91161, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08839, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 166111.09431322, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.05643
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14910824 = 149.1082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.16554201 = 165.542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18359431 = 183.5943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20331669 = 203.3167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22475653 = 224.7565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 1000 @ 0.24794567 = 247.9457 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.29181519 = 291.8152 BTC [-]
Namworld: I'm freakin exhausted by this freakin never fixed lag issues.
Namworld: It just keeps happening again and again and again
mod6: well, there are 69,000 people hitting refresh on gox
Chaang-Noi: yeah im doing f5 over and over about as fast as i cant type :)
Namworld: Should hardly be an issue with a proper setup.
Namworld: With on demand nodes filling in for demand.
jurov: yea, but nobody was around to explain them what happened for 2 hours
jurov: that's abput their attn span
dub: wait noagendamarket is eskimobob?
pigeons: he's not but that would be good
jurov: Chaang-Noi, no it was just bought by coinbr
pigeons: us mpex customers now need to use coinlab
Chaang-Noi: cant take this trolling before coffee:)
jurov: Chaang-Noi read my comment on reddit
Namworld: so mpex.co now redirects to whitehouse.gov
Namworld: you can access using mpex.coinbr.com for now
dub: jurov: how about my comment
Namworld: only the mpex.co frontend is being DDoS'ed
Chaang-Noi: oh lol, they redirected the attack to the whitehouse? is that a good idea? :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14908358 = 149.0836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.16551813 = 165.5181 BTC [-]
dub: we have had no word of a drone strike to date
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.18357148 = 183.5715 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.20329519 = 203.2952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22473663 = 224.7366 BTC [-]
jurov: Namworld if this causes to overstep my bitvps bandwidth, or causes bitvps to be included in ddos outright
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 18 @ 0.24792761 = 4.4627 BTC [-]
dub: eww coinbr is on bitvps?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.9209042 = 920.9042 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi what can it hurt ? ddoser gets to be first drone victim ?
Chaang-Noi: mp, they might think you are part of the attack
Chaang-Noi: i know how americans with drones think....
jcpham: just say you meant whitehouse.com
Chaang-Noi: not that anything will come of it but still
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i highly doubt they can get decent evidance from this chan
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.00000, Best ask: 41.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 41.00000, 24 hour volume: 167242.60774519, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.02128
Chaang-Noi: in a stong bull market corrects are sharp and fast bowjob
jurov: in case of drone strike i'm using human shield
Bowjob: none of this bullshit panic buy and sell
Chaang-Noi: oh, i thought we were going to buy back in at $36?
jurov: they have built here insanely dense residential blocks , like 10k people per square kilometer
Bowjob: I got burned 800 dollars
jurov: and i'm sitting inthe middle
dub: jurov: ask pakistan how that worked out
Bowjob: well it was unrealized gain
Bowjob: some of my classmates have babies now
Bowjob: i've known them since second grade.. i still remember those days
Bowjob: no, just saying. if i could wake up as a third grader, i could blend in
Bowjob: just with 12 extra years of exp
Chaang-Noi: would be odd trying to date a 3rd grader however...
jurov: at least such casualties need obama's signature. mircea i doubt you have 30 girls around you in the mansion at all times
mircea_popescu: While slavery is illegal across the globe, the SumAll Foundation noted, there are 27 million slaves worldwide, more than in 1860, when there were 25 million.
Chaang-Noi: Sexual slavery brings the slave’s owner $18,000 over the slave’s working life in Thailand (this used to be a big problem, they used to go around in van and steal kids)
Bowjob: it woulda nice to panic sell for a bit
Bowjob: mammon has a huge grip on us
Bowjob: we are all going burn in hell for it. might as well enjoy life
mircea_popescu: !!Please note!! that the Bitcoin value is changing in daily basis! Therefore the price might also change if the invoice is not paid right away!
mircea_popescu: Error getting json fileThe current exchange rate we accept for Bitcoin:
grubles: i, too, have heard the sec watches this chan
pigeons: I heard they are wondering about goat
pigeons: they want some insured pass through
Chaang-Noi: yeah, that insured ppt cost me pigeons, that was some fail
dub: namecheap takes btc nao
dub: and does hosting in addition to names
Chaang-Noi: i heart namecheap cant wait to pay next bill
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.91731637 = 917.3164 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: glad we got that correction out of the way
Bowjob_: that was merely a bear trap
mircea_popescu: # You did not enter your first name # You did not enter your last name # You did not enter your email address # You did not enter your address (line 1) # You did not enter your city # You did not enter your state # You did not enter your postcode # You did not enter your phone number # You are required to enter a security answer # You did not enter a password # Date of Birth is required #
jurov: you forgot gender and boob size
[\\\]: didn't pirate say the same thing?
jcpham: maybe i've heard gmaxwell say it too
jcpham: you think they are all the same person [\\\]
dub: gavin gonna jump ship
Chaang-Noi: lol war in the dev leadership we dont know about?
dub: sould you want to work with those toolbags?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50001, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 41.90000, 24 hour volume: 169395.11137261, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01063
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50001, Best ask: 41.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 41.90000, 24 hour volume: 169388.95028261, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01069
Bugpowdrrr: probably will fade back down from here...
Chaang-Noi: gavin just seemed like grumbelinz, but you know he has coins.. he gots to be a rich guy by now
Chaang-Noi: i dont know he has coins, but i highly suspect
Bowjob_: well he probably has coins since he gave away a fuckton
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21961 @ 0.00075 = 16.4708 BTC [+]
Bowjob_: its a good bet to assume he has tons of it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.59217, Best ask: 41.59320, Bid-ask spread: 0.00103, Last trade: 43.90000, 24 hour volume: 169891.04250013, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.01660
Bugpowdrrr: And MPOE is probably down 5k right now.
Namworld: Oh... right... price is low... can't be purchases
[\\\]: I see we had a 30% swing in the price today
[\\\]: I hope people realize just how shallow the kiddie pool still is
Bugpowdrrr: Customers made money on the calls right?
Namworld: Apparently not, price is popping right back up.
Bugpowdrrr: the short put covering was pretty big too thoguh
Bugpowdrrr: Wasn't watching. Eat dinner. Was a good day for me :)
Bugpowdrrr: Now if we blast thru 50, I will be seriously impressed.
dub: network is still pretty hosed
Bugpowdrrr: I made a few transfers today, no problem at all
dub: currently 2.5k unconfirmed
dub: still some scope for confidence trashing news hits
dub: gox is still lagged by 8 minutes
dub: mpex still hacked by the gubbermint
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.00000, Best ask: 43.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 43.00000, 24 hour volume: 167804.82008240, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.03618
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1569 @ 0.0046 = 7.2174 BTC [-]
Bugpowdrrr: bitcoinity is really holding up the best in these tough conditions
Chaang-Noi: thats where im at, i tipped him yesterday
Chaang-Noi: frolm the site whiskey fund: 1EWjHKPYGAJ3v5LnDyBo3Fn1PFsazBstqk |
Chaang-Noi: i sent .1337 should buy him a beer or two
dub: its been down for like a year though right?
gribble: There are currently 18888.341 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 892422.114396 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 43.01009, Bid-ask spread: 0.41009, Last trade: 43.02000, 24 hour volume: 168407.58530743, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 43.04250
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
mircea_popescu: ^OIX: "7d": {"avg": "4711973083","min": "3024713516","max": "4855255527","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.56240676575E+12","cnt": ""}
Chaang-Noi: mp how much is a slave in romania, i feel too rich/lazy to do my work...
mod6: (17:16) <@assbot> [MPEX] [WHITEHOUSE] 1 @ 0.1337 [+]
mod6: and yeah +1 on "WE NEED A MOTHERFUCKING EXCHANGE"
mod6: we need like 3 that are all independant of eachother
mod6: and good ones that don't fucking break when a guy wants to sell a few, or more.
mod6: and then with MPEx serving up options and futures, we'll have a nice little btc finance ecosystem
mod6: but all of this reliance on gox is for the birds.
dub: I've been waiting a long time for someone to simply dos gox for a few weeks
dub: completely kill bitcoin
pgp: hopefully coinlab will be able to "improve" the mtgox experience...
pgp: smaller exchanges are starting to get some traction, though...
pgp: bitfloor and bitstamp do a decent job of it...
Bugpowdrrr: that was more violent than expected though
dub: someone needs to tell gox
gribble: Time since last block: 40 minutes and 10 seconds
mod6: (19:12) < dub> I've been waiting a long time for someone to simply dos gox for a few weeks << exactly.
gribble: Time since last block: 41 seconds
gribble: There are currently 2015.0753 bitcoins demanded at or over 35.0 USD, worth 70734.225723 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0052 seconds
dub: bitcoincharts feed has been dead for an hour
Namworld: [22:19] <@gribble> There are currently 2.189923 bitcoins demanded at or over 36.0 USD, worth 82.4772267629 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.4769
Namworld: [22:19] <@gribble> There are currently 181.27547 bitcoins offered at or under 42.0 USD, worth 7608.18637359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 35.9463 seconds
Namworld: I just checked on OTC. These spreads are ridiculous
dub: I wouldnt trust that
dub: there is basically no way of knowing what the price is
Namworld: Maybe delayed... but clarkmoody shows the same
Namworld: It looks like the spread is gone
dub: the gox trade page has 0.04 spread
Chaang-Noi: i think people just cant make orders at gox, so no vol so crazy movements
Namworld: dub: so does clarkmoody says, 0.04 spread
Bugpowdrrr: .04 spread on the orders that were placed 10 minutes ago. What about the population that is in the queue ahead of you?
dub: the entire bitcoin economy is a casino at this point
dub: price is some random value between 33 and 49
Chaang-Noi: yeah... it will stabilize around $1000 in a few years...
Namworld: These swings will undo all the adoption by serious businesses at this rate.
dub: as I keep saying, inb4 $2
mod6: mtgox must go away after this
dub: its been worse before
dub: I dunno if its still there but at one point a 20k btc trade halted teh engine until mark woke up and confirmed it
mod6: yeah, but something better must be constructed, and then have peers that are the same in construction
dub: as in, its a hard coded failsafe
Namworld: MtGox doesn't need to go. Just replace the hardware. It appears they are running on a Commodore 64 currently.
mircea_popescu: they're spending something like 10k a month on hardware.
dub: its not the hardware its teh retard driving it
mircea_popescu: which is you kniow... more than the market cap of all but a few bitcoin businesses.
mod6: i guess maybe for the hosting... *shrug*, but its got to be rebuilt better
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i went ahead and used them as a pp for some obscure host
mircea_popescu: 7 confirms, "There are not enough bitcoins on this address."
mircea_popescu: in spite of you know, having showed it "about to confirm" earlier.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.36000, Best ask: 41.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 41.89000, 24 hour volume: 181522.58600462, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.83448
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.31407, Best ask: 40.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.63593, Last trade: 40.95000, 24 hour volume: 181582.58134847, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.83060
Bowjob: can we go to 50 please
Bowjob: I feel that I should get a bit more than 0.3 for winning the bet. sigh
gribble: Current Blocks: 224620 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 1171 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4738813.84956 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.49241
gribble: There are currently 22518.834 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 1059107.62381 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0025 seconds
Bugpowdrrr: Protip : when the price is up more than $10 in a day, sell some.
Bowjob: yep sell some USD to buy BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00549 = 0.0494 BTC [+]
dub: pitty it didnt say 'so I whipped up assbot api integration'!
mircea_popescu: who was saying this bitcoinity thing is the best since sliced mpex ?
dub: heh apparently SA hacked mpex
dub: yeah back up to 3k unconfirmed
dub: you need to beat s.deuce fee of .001 to play bitcoin now
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00549 = 0.0329 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.25430, Best ask: 41.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04570, Last trade: 41.25330, 24 hour volume: 180985.14101528, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.80335
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0051 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4645 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1537 = 0.3074 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.80000, Best ask: 40.90102, Bid-ask spread: 0.10102, Last trade: 40.80000, 24 hour volume: 182448.07724014, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.76346
Bowjob: actually i cant complain lol
Bowjob: we need more good news
Bowjob: how about warren buffer dumping 1 bil to play with
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 608 @ 0.005 = 3.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.005 = 0.035 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.0049 = 0.0392 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.0044 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0044 = 0.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00261 BTC [-]
Namworld: We're in the bulltrap/return to normal
Namworld: I'm saying hello to 16-18 USD/BTC already
Bowjob: wall street didn't play yet
Namworld: if we're at that part of the bubble, we didn't start going parabolic yet... and what we've seen so far is "slow growth"
Namworld: So we'd hit like 10 000 USD/BTC at the peak or something...
BitHub: i thought that was wall street the last few days?
BitHub: i wonder how merchants went today that do pricing
Namworld: Seriously, why would the whole world suddenly adopt Bitcoins? It doesn't solve any of their problem nor is it convenient for their daily transactions.
Namworld: We reached the top of the speculative bubble with the near 50 USD/BTC today
BitHub: i dont think the whooooole world
BitHub: but its very good replacement for credit cards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.39000, Best ask: 40.40002, Bid-ask spread: 0.01002, Last trade: 40.60000, 24 hour volume: 181729.26901555, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.70517
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.80001, Best ask: 40.84934, Bid-ask spread: 0.04933, Last trade: 40.80000, 24 hour volume: 182163.30359383, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.69988
Bowjob: 49.09, the high of 2013
Namworld: I haven't seen the orderbook looking bearish like that since forever.
Chaang-Noi: still we are over $40 we were 12 at the new year
Chaang-Noi: im damn pleased with anything stable over 30
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0046 = 0.92 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.75068, Best ask: 41.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24932, Last trade: 40.75068, 24 hour volume: 181704.41636332, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.68779
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 1000 @ 0.14351396 = 143.514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 1000 @ 0.1597016 = 159.7016 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.93627, Best ask: 41.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06373, Last trade: 41.00000, 24 hour volume: 181664.32887886, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.68317
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17755199 = 177.552 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19711386 = 197.1139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.21844012 = 218.4401 BTC [-]
Bowjob: nvm it confirmed now. 2 hour wait
Namworld: I received one with 0 fees... it's just not getting included at all no matter how long I wait...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.20704 BTC [-]
Bowjob: should raise the min fee on dice
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074252 = 9.5785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00073731 = 1.2903 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.50540, Best ask: 41.54691, Bid-ask spread: 0.04151, Last trade: 41.54691, 24 hour volume: 185495.99289508, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.64250
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 59 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00075 = 13.2375 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.96634, Best ask: 41.96636, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 41.96634, 24 hour volume: 185593.98262870, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.64002
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.10081, Best ask: 42.10082, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 42.10082, 24 hour volume: 185130.68959519, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.63475
Bowjob: we need satoshi to go back
Bowjob: and fix the blocksize limit
Bowjob: just like the dude who sent 94 BTC as tx fee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13424 @ 0.00075 = 10.068 BTC [+]
Bowjob: wheres that topic again
Bowjob: of the dude who sent 94 BTC as tx
maximian: who can think that BTC is ready for primetime with all these service failures
maximian: needs another year in the oven
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> 02:08 <@MagicalTux> Blitzboom: we're working on some changes that will improve this a lot
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> 02:08 <@MagicalTux> we're pushing this urgently (but still after testing), so whithin next 24 hours
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> probably this update is being pushed to prod
Chaang-Noi: <neofutur> and it will be back within hours
Chaang-Noi: if you get a trade done in 30 mins seems you are lucky :/
Chaang-Noi: however now it is starting to flow a bit
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.08002, Best ask: 42.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.31998, Last trade: 42.40000, 24 hour volume: 177673.50153615, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.48382
Ukto: with the changes i setup tonight
Ukto: I was just taking a quick break from the big project
Bowjob: I call that.. the bear trap
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.20000, Best ask: 42.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 42.20000, 24 hour volume: 177432.50058775, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.47390
Enky: 440 sec lag? eternity...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7411 @ 0.0046 = 34.0906 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 389 @ 0.00469999 = 1.8283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.0048 = 5.76 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.90001, Best ask: 42.95100, Bid-ask spread: 0.05099, Last trade: 42.90001, 24 hour volume: 175372.31802034, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.41063
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01590, Best ask: 44.12068, Bid-ask spread: 0.10478, Last trade: 44.01590, 24 hour volume: 177965.13484133, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.40520
Chaang-Noi: movement at gox, and the direction is up
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.17120, Best ask: 44.20001, Bid-ask spread: 0.02881, Last trade: 44.39000, 24 hour volume: 177233.90169868, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.37772
Anduck: IT SHOULD BE 60 USD ALREDY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00075 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.65 = 12.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00075 = 37.5 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: for all we know gox is hand picking the trades
mircea_popescu: mpoe hasn't been quoting for like 6 hours because it can't get a coherent feed
Anduck: i heard mpex got ddos'd
Anduck: well, anything you will do to stop it?
mircea_popescu: they've been playing muscial chairs for what, 12 hours now ?
Anduck: so your isp dont know how to absorb a ddos?
Anduck: but isp should know how to fix it
Anduck: its shitty job but they should get it done by now
mircea_popescu: sorta like the doctor should know how to make you healthy, right ?
Anduck: well i am 100% sure i know way more about these things than you do.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway ? you're so desperate to read my blog today rather than tomorrow ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.33317 = 0.6663 BTC [-]
Anduck: no but it's just funny cuz you said "mpex cant be taken down"
Anduck: or smth similar - in your blog, yes
Anduck: is it unusable right now-+-
Anduck: where would i see that?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00075 = 37.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the idea. i saidf before a government couldn't take it down.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 134 @ 0.0007 = 0.0938 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.00182 = 0.0273 BTC [-]
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: where can i see bid/ask of s.mpoe?
mircea_popescu: "S.MPOE": {"1d": {"avg": "74815.940534","min": "69034","max": "75000","vsh": "4149547","vsa": "310452261595","cnt": "41"}, "7d": {"avg": "74981.9993279","min": "69034","max": "78628","vsh": "11012234","vsa": "825719322387","cnt": "218"}, "30d": {"avg": "68500.398679","min": "61530","max": "78628","vsh": "65503018","vsa": "4486982847676","cnt": "5975"}},
maximian: which is also in the channel topic :)
Anduck: mircea_popescu: did someone buy s.mpoe a lot?
Anduck: i think i saw it at like 0.00060 or smth
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.00986 = 0.0197 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 48 @ 0.00982 = 0.4714 BTC [-]
Anduck: you took the wall off?
Anduck: no way all 10,000,000 was bought?
BitHub: Hey, i'm with my friend and he wants to know how did Satoshi gain his powers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.01552 = 0.0621 BTC [-]
BitHub: he doesn't believe me that sataoshi blew himself up with his mind
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1394 = 0.2788 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.01000, Best ask: 44.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 44.50000, 24 hour volume: 173347.40604858, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.30310
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 58800 @ 0.0048 = 282.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5851 @ 0.0055 = 32.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00564998 = 5.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005769 = 2.3076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 157 @ 0.005779 = 0.9073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 189 @ 0.005789 = 1.0941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2504 @ 0.00578949 = 14.4969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00579999 = 5.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9376 @ 0.00584168 = 54.7716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 223 @ 0.00588401 = 1.3121 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00597 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00545 = 0.1363 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
Anduck: did asicminer pay divs?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00545 = 0.0273 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: so are we back to normal at gox, vol is okay?
Chaang-Noi: yeah but is trade volume back, i can live with that delay
Chaang-Noi: when downloading the block chain, will more than 4 ram spead it up or is it only the cpu that matters?
maximian: mircea_popescu where is that list of proxies again? mpex.coinbr.com isn't responding for me (I hope juror isn't under attack now)
Namworld: both mpex.coinbr.com and mpex.co seem unavailable now.
Namworld: Someone is really DDoS'ing everything
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 35 seconds
maximian: yeah looks like coinbr.com is getting the DDoS treatment
Namworld: Who the fuck has time to DDoS stuff anyway
maximian: someone who's really, really pissed off at MP
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00599 = 0.2516 BTC [+]
maximian: MP should have received a demand by now
Namworld: If no one ever pays extortion, there goes the incentive. Anti-DDoS measures are more cost effective.
mircea_popescu: mpex servers will be offline for a few hours. we are reconfiguring the router system, putting in new optics
mircea_popescu: no need to panic, all data is safe, by the time this is done mpex will have 10gb dedicated.
Namworld: I'll hog 2 or 3 all for myself.
mircea_popescu: to avoid any possible inconsistencies in dbases i am taking the ordering offline tho.
Namworld: Guess I'll go sleep and get back to trading tomorrow then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6616 @ 0.00073732 = 4.8781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00073731 = 2.0895 BTC [-]
jurov: coinbr has network dificulties, but it doesn't look like attack
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.65507, Best ask: 43.99100, Bid-ask spread: 0.33593, Last trade: 43.65507, 24 hour volume: 169564.38034507, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.22189
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.50000, Best ask: 43.54000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 43.54000, 24 hour volume: 170125.43926848, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 49.09900, 24 hour vwap: 42.22377
Ukto: BF last 24hrs, over 450btc vol
jurov: so mpex is completely offline now, right?
kakobrekla: you can send a sign order via snail mail
jurov: okay... just situational awareness
jurov: and next time i meet Namworld i do something nasty to him
jurov: he knows coinbr is on bitvps, plus i reminded him yest
jurov: but he was talking about it being attacked as if it was no concern for him
deadweasel: a bunch of emotionally drained bitcoin crazed monkeys.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18001 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu, it's still not clear it it was really me
jurov: [18:31] <arij> yea there is a massive amount of traffic hitting the node
mircea_popescu: CoinBr under maintenance/overhaul, should be available before March 8. Contact us on support()coinbr.com .
jurov: well, this is new server. the original one is not reachable
jurov: should it stay unreachable, i'll install everything there
mircea_popescu: it's funny, last year the forum crowd was all aggitated about "o, da gubbinmint"
mircea_popescu: i knew then that it's not the freaking government that'll be the issue on the midterm.
mod6: yeah, I might give out my second neg rating to Luke-Jr
mod6: all his nonsense about SD spamming the blockchain
mod6: and the fact that he published some mining code that breaks protocol and promotes it to other miners.
mircea_popescu: going out of your way to politically rate people... meh. not so much.
mod6: i dunno what to call it if I rate him down, but im tired of this shit.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make to you tho ? there's going to be an onion in any soup
mircea_popescu: do you mind that it's called Luke-Jr or whatever else ?
mod6: i can't articulate myself enough -- im just against all his SD blockchain spamming bullshit
Luke-Jr: you'd rather see SD flood Bitcoin to death
mod6: i've been reading all this btctalk stuff today, and he's just wrong about SD spamming. just because he'd design SD differently.... or believes that gambling is immoral because he loves jesus.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr dude, still with this ? sd is the only thing happening on bitcoin, forget about it already.
error4733: if blockchain can't support SD now, what happen with 1M user ?
Luke-Jr: no, it's a mod6-is-a-troll issue
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be by any chance related to the girl bitchslapping that hearn muppet earlier, would it ?
mod6: im not trolling shit motherfucker
Luke-Jr: error4733: 1M user with 1000 tx/sec is easier than 10 users with 1000 tx/sec
error4733: all bs, erik is right, better now than to late
mircea_popescu: 1M user with 1000 tx/sec is easier than 10 users with 1000 tx/sec <<< you can't even distinguish users apart.
Luke-Jr: error4733: 1mil users can provide infra for 1000 tx/sec; what we have today, no way
mircea_popescu: i can make 1mn txs right now, you won't be able to produce an accurate usercount.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: it's easy. just go to #bitcoin and ask SD players to PM you.
mircea_popescu: hahaha, if you think retail users will run that braindamaged abomination called "the bitcoin client" you're off your rocker.
mircea_popescu: if there were 1mn users drawn to bitcoin because of satoshi dice, they'd just run piuk's wallet into the ground, and you'd whine about how "blockchain is spamming the network"
mircea_popescu: this sort of internecine bullshit may be appropriate in fringe churches of weird and other midwestern concerns
mircea_popescu: but it does not belong in technology. technology is for smart people.
Luke-Jr: I don't care who it is, if they flood the network it's miners' job to filter them out
mircea_popescu: you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: you'd better leave then
Luke-Jr: after all, technology is for smart people..
Luke-Jr: not anarchist lunatics who can't figure out the most obvious legal scenario
mircea_popescu: best i can make out you're a concern troll with a checkered past.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00072873 = 3.1321 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: looking through the forum digests this is motherfucking sad
mircea_popescu: Gateway capacity trouble at Coinbase? Is anyone else having problems with Bitme deposits? Mt.Gox Payment system problem What the fuck Bitfinex? MtGox should halt trading when Order Lag time is this long. Anyone's bitfloor deposits working?
mircea_popescu: and the cherry on top, Website performance is going to be the bane of many n00bs when it's time to sell
deadweasel: bugpowder and I were all jammed up about goxlag of 10 minutes
mircea_popescu: at some point they were pasting half hour old trades out of order into the feed
BTCTrader2: what are people using for cli? is it faster?
jurov: mircea_popescu , is there any place for mpex chinese/pakistani users to inquiry about the outage?
jurov: one dude came and seemd completely out of his mind
jurov: yes. he's gone now.
mircea_popescu: awww that poor dude was sending me crazed messages too.
mircea_popescu: but to sum up the situation, cause i imagine many people are curious :
mircea_popescu: mpex consists of a trade server and webservers which the users talk to.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it practically these webservers are practically proxies.
mircea_popescu: there is five of them sharing two gigabit uplinks through a balancer.
mircea_popescu: the first time mpex was ddosed in january the attack took out the actual datacenter top level router.
mircea_popescu: there were two more layers of routing to get to the router that handled the webservers.
mircea_popescu: now, the reason admittedly was that the thing was a little old and kidna loaded. but still.
mircea_popescu: so at that time i split the tubes up north/east, and started a bunch of proxies
mircea_popescu: since the attack started yesterday a total of 100+ of these were taken offline.
mircea_popescu: granted, it's not easy to blow up a small shared setup like that.
mircea_popescu: but somebody did have the determination to spend a day and a half looking for them, setting up the ddosing for them individually bla bla.
mircea_popescu: the thing with that system is that it works by division. if there's 100 of them there jurov can stay online.
mircea_popescu: if there's 9 left the remainder ddos is available to hit him
mircea_popescu: i could allow anyone to start a proxy right now, the trade server is fine, etc. the problem is
mircea_popescu: you'd be nuked in half an hour or something, and it's just hassle.
mircea_popescu: now, a humongo 10gb dedicated solution is being set up as we speak
mircea_popescu: i had this sort-of prepared, but not actually provisioned and ready because the shit is expensive
imsaguy: so you're having more babies to win the war?
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the alternative is handle mpex trades by email.
Diablo-D3: email, the original next generation mail queue
imsaguy: how about mpex trades via telnet?
Diablo-D3: I wonder if that makes uunet the original original message queue
mircea_popescu: (and i don't think they have enough to cope, but maybe)
Diablo-D3: I could name a box "chicks" and name a user "i"
mircea_popescu: imsaguy yeah. last i talked to nanotube he was like "i don't want this in production handling opm"
imsaguy: I'm not saying graft onto gribble
imsaguy: and then the bot filters anything not formed as url
imsaguy: second line is it only parses text
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: dude, just use perl
mircea_popescu: all you have to do is take urls from people and feed them into server as pgp strings
imsaguy: the code for reading pastebin to gpg
jurov: waitwhat? ppl will publish urls to encrypted orders on irc to be picked up by mpoe bot?
jurov: lol you should accept clearsigned orders, too, then.
Chilca: mircea_popescu: Can I help you guys with the infrastructure for the site?
wiggzz: so coinbr and mpex are down?
wiggzz: ok. no worries, thanks
Chilca: mircea_popescu: are you having a DDOS attack? what's the problem.
mircea_popescu: yes. read up the chat i just explained it 5 minutes ago
Chilca: I just joined. Pastebin will be great
mod6: Any paste or usage pattern not related to that goal which results in unusually high traffic will be flagged for investigation.
mod6: this could become a problem
mod6: as well, is it a good idea to store everyones cyphertexts indefinately?
jcpham: yes thank you my vps is fubar
mircea_popescu: but if someone breaks pgp in 2049, what do they get ? a lot of BUY|S.BLABLA|350|45000 ?
mod6: yea. i just figure maybe having our asses hanging in the breeze is a great oppertunity for the NSA to try to extract data on a sort of chosen cypertext attack
imsaguy: that why you expire the pastebin
imsaguy: it only needs to live for <10 minutes
mircea_popescu: mod6 listen, the pastebins would be encrypted with mpex key
mod6: ok imsaguy, that should work
mircea_popescu: you can take a string and encrypt it with mpex key right now
jurov: jcpham, now imagine they could have started resolving it 6 hours earlier
jurov: if namworld was able to remember that coinbr in on bitvps
mircea_popescu: and contrary to what everyone thinks, great ideas also need sane management to get anywhere.
jurov: mircea i'm speaking about bitvps to jcpham
jurov: can't get over it... namworld said "o mpex.coinbr.com has problems, prolly ddos" and he went to sleep
jcpham: my opinion of switzerland is that it is not for critical stuff
jurov: despite i did tell him it's to be expected
mod6: im not even sure I ever noticed the pastebin expire time lol
Chilca: do you guys have a firewall on top the servers?
mod6: this is a pretty sweet idea tho imsaguy
imsaguy: mod6, I'm pretty stupid, most of the time
imsaguy: but the rest of the time, I try to make up for it.
Chilca: imsaguy: In my company we use radware to stop ddos.
Chilca: I can talk with the CEO and he can ship one to your dc if you want.
imsaguy: its hosted out of his bedroom
mircea_popescu: in the middle of installing gear so might not be the best time
imsaguy: I doubt you want in that dungeon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.42424242 BTC [+]
jurov: <phungus> we've found out that it is indeed coinbr.com being ddos'ed
jurov: <phungus> we've shut it all down, working on restoring everyone else, please be patient
jurov: yea, after 8 hours
jcpham: i could've told them coinbr was going to get ddos'd yesterday
jcpham: it seems like maybe you attemtped to notify them
jurov: i told namworld myself. but he's just not the right person for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.495 = 9.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50001, Best ask: 42.69899, Bid-ask spread: 0.19898, Last trade: 42.50001, 24 hour volume: 174284.00806825, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 48.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.65273
nanotube: mircea_popescu: should be pretty trivial to set up an irc bot that just takes user input and passes it along to your server. if you set it up with a cloak, attackers can't even know its ip.
nanotube: so they'd have to take down all of freenode.
nanotube: and if you use gribble/supy as base, it by default limits number of commands per user per time, so they can't even flood it out.
jurov: nanotube, imsaguy is on it
nanotube: imsaguy: heh well, just have it take a pastebin link, and pass it along to mpex.
imsaguy: but then mpex passes pgp back :p
nanotube: well, mpex passes back another pastebin link
nanotube: but there are so many pastebins out there, you can easily cycle among them
nanotube: some provide apis for pasting. like paste.debian
mircea_popescu: this of course has no bearing on the new pipe coming online.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: make sure to have the bot communicate with another secret proxy, not core server. so if bot is cracked open, they only discover one of your proxies, not real location.
dub: pastebin.com was hosed yesterday
nanotube: also, another option, mircea_popescu : set up an amazon ec instance. they give you unlimited BW, only care about disk and cpu usage.
nanotube: so if all it does is take requests and pass them on
imsaguy: the cpu can get costly if its being bogged
jurov: amazon ec, exactly what i'm doing. cool shit.
mircea_popescu: im too busy to investigate exactly wtf happned to them right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.51 = 9.69 BTC [+]
nanotube: anyway, imsaguy let know if you need help. :)
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: keep your friends close... might want to sort out who/what this was
mircea_popescu: understand : this was planned for. sooner or later someone was going to attack mpex.
deadweasel: i can tell, fuckin' Rick James up in here
mircea_popescu: proving that mpex can't be effectually attacked is part of the game
jurov: deadweasel, how would you do it? it can be half of btctalk
jborkl: Hell, anyone not expecting this attack at some point was not paying attention
mircea_popescu: jborkl the only disputer was, "will it be government or not"
mircea_popescu: just the fact that traders could close > 50k btc worth of option positions normally whiole mpex was being ddosed to hell
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago Bank of America got ddos for I think 3 days
mircea_popescu: that the bot later was w/o a feed cause mtgox went bananas is a diff story
deadweasel: it was interesting to watch people show up here, get a proxy addy, then go trade.
deadweasel: they were all jibberred up, then like, ok, i'm ok now.
jborkl: this was a really good test for MPEX
deadweasel: there are no problems, only opportunities
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, i'm not keeping 10k worth of pipe as a hot and ready to go backup, i admit
mjr_: ugh, the discussion on the forums is so fucking silly
mjr_: its like they don't understand what "free market" means
mjr_: i literally saw someone say "sdice actually gets the gambler to pay MORE fees, they should be banned"
mircea_popescu: some people were on a kick of "bitbet should charge less"
jborkl: 99% of all people are retarded
mjr_: yes, because the miners should get less money? not to mention the fact that it's about people enjoying and using bitcoins...so you will take away a popular service to further your cause?
jcpham: somewhere between the two "e" in free market, there is tiny subscript begging for gubment oversight
dub: mjr_: they're probably arguing the wrong thing but factually SD using the blockchain for accountign is retarded
mircea_popescu: dub mpex uses the blockchain for accounting a different way.
mjr_: dub: if they include fees fuck what they use it for
dub: mjr_: sanest comparison I've seen was from this channel, imagine a casine where you had to cash out and back in after every bet
mjr_: yep it is only transactions
mjr_: although i can see your point about cashing in and out...
mjr_: and i think it is a good image
mircea_popescu: the reason you cash out after every bet is that there's no "you"
mjr_: i would think of it as...does the casino not calculate your payout after each hand?
mjr_: you put money in, and then they push money back at you
mircea_popescu: thinking in terms of "you" and pretending to be involved in bitcoin is the ultimate lulz.
mjr_: mircea: to be fair, i don't think that the protocol EXCLUDES the use of a layer on top of it that could replicate "accounts"...
dub: the blockchain is not intented for this level of nanotransactions
mjr_: yes, that makes sense
dub: if you had to pay for every grain of rice you bought individually with a CC, amex would crumble too
mircea_popescu: the day we go in the marketplace with a workable solution that would crtumble amex
jborkl: Who said the blockchain is only for a certain transaction?
mjr_: dub: i feel that what they are saying is that "the blockchain shouldn't be used for individual grains of rice, so no rice for anyone"
mircea_popescu: moreover, who the fuck said what the blockchain is for ?
jborkl: who decided this nonsense
mircea_popescu: as long as it's useful for something, that's what it's for.
mjr_: it is like the internet
dub: making it take up an unrealistic amount fo resource is goign to break it
jborkl: then those people will quit
mircea_popescu: dub the only thing that's going to break it is pseudo-governmental posturing.
mjr_: what is the internet "designed" for? so university professors could share scholarly work
dub: driving fees up to counter the problem is goign to kill adoption
mircea_popescu: nobody has license to come out with the sort of bullshit "shoulds"
mircea_popescu: the only shoulds here are the devs should stfu and fix bitcoind.
dub: mjr_: yes and 'the internet' has fundamentally changed a few times to cope with scaling
mjr_: i think that there is what IS...what the market has decided
mjr_: dub: as will bitcoin
jborkl: dub are you Luke? cause this sounds like his stupid logic
mircea_popescu: jborkl i think he's trying to make sense of that position.
mjr_: think about it this way
jborkl: only biblethumperrs can use bitcoin
jcpham: pretty sure dub and Luke-Jr are same person
mjr_: there is nothing stopping miners to band together and block whatever traffic they want to
mjr_: so if it is so important, they will
jcpham: how did you figure it out mircea_popescu
dub: mjr_: yes there is, economic incentive
mjr_: exactly, the free market has decided that sdice is a good thing
dub: there is no such thing as free market
mjr_: there are all our individual choices
jcpham: implying no such thing as free will
dub: to have a free market you need informed players
mjr_: the point is that no one can say "i want to shape the future of bitcoin"
mjr_: you just need players
mjr_: that is like saying "in natural selection you can only have fast deer"
jborkl: That is fucking stupid to say, you only need participants
jcpham: the only free market i know of is freicoin
dub: we know from the abject failure of capitalism that there are not enough informed players to make it work
mircea_popescu: dub the only reason capitalism failed was because idiots with "should" abandoned it
mjr_: obviously america has not gotten a stranglehold over the world
mjr_: it hasn't worked for them AT ALL
mircea_popescu: the soviet union, the united soviets of america, the blabla
mircea_popescu: as long as people submit to natural law the take over the world.
jborkl: you cant inflate bitcon 10 million percent now can you
dub: mjr_: its not scaling
jcpham: i'm pretty sure the united nations is an illuminati sect
mircea_popescu: as soon as they start thinking they know what *should* be what
mjr_: for anyone to say that the people who came up with this system didn't get what they want is retarded
mjr_: that is the point, if what you think "should" happen, then if it really should, it will...if it shouldn't it won't
jcpham: Kim Dotcom is Satoshi Nakamoto in .... Point Break
mjr_: because if the majority agree...they do it, if they don't, you were wrong
dub: the majority don't agree
dub: the majority are not capable of participating
jborkl: the majority with money agree, the rest dont count
mjr_: um...the fact that sdice transactions are included begs to differ
dub: because they are stupid
dub: the are included now sure
mjr_: they verify the transactions
mircea_popescu: <jborkl> the majority with money agree, the rest dont count << this guy is mircea_popescu
mjr_: so if the market decides to stop then they are right
dub: the market wont decide to stop because teh mining 'market' is not informed
dub: this has been shown plenty of times
mjr_: ok...so it is not important to them to stop this
dub: it will take a technical probelm to change them
dub: which is hwat is happening
mjr_: ok, so let one come, and then they will adjust
mjr_: transactions still working
dub: sure if you accept that 6 confs doesnt take an hour anymore
mircea_popescu: "the poor aren't voting to steal from the rich because they've not been sufficiently explaining the benefits of theft"
mjr_: seriously, why does everyone feel the need to nurture something that is bigger than them and smarter
dub: bitcoin adoption as a whole may not accept that
jcpham: is atlas in here right now
jcpham: is that what just happened
mjr_: my point is that everyone votes with their mining power
dub: were people asleep yesterday?
dub: did you notice it took all day to send coin?
jborkl: only one person filters SD transactions that I know of, and his pool is dying
jcpham: dub i got my txns in before noon central
jborkl: His point of view caused that
mircea_popescu: this incidentallty shows clearly how misplaced all the sd trolling is.
dub: mircea_popescu: they raised their fee, pushing all their usually slow confirming txn to the front of the queue
mircea_popescu: the network works fine with sd. what it doesn't work fine with is the appalingly poor quality of coding
jborkl: The new bitcoin client .8, uses all cpu cores correct- where .7 only used one?
dub: mircea_popescu: it was teh tipping point for block size limit
jborkl: so, as people upgrade clients- transactions get passed faster
mircea_popescu: dub for the arbitrarily stupid 250k block limit baked in
mircea_popescu: by the sort of idiots that also broke the way bitcoind creates txns
dub: ok so we're back to the scaling argument
jborkl: I changed my client to 500, it took like 5 seconds
mircea_popescu: most of the people who had bitcoin for no reason are out, thanks to pirate and the other scasmmers
mjr__: anyways, i just am tired of hearing about what people "should" do
mircea_popescu: the problem is most of the people who think they're devs for no reason aren;t out yet.
mircea_popescu: people like gmaxwell, hearn, luke etc are just dead weight
dub: that is very much part of the problem
mjr__: i don't think they are stupid necessarily
dub: but is it easier to replace teh dev team or get SD to implement their own ledger
mjr__: i just think they are used to systems where they are in charge
jborkl: you are trying to control one thing, what aboput the next thing
mjr__: i am just saying, if you have the mining hardware, then your thoughts on this (actually your actions) may matter...no one else's opinion really does
dub: mjr__: I'm not suggesting miners will exclude SD
mjr__: i take it you don't like the Soft BP?
mjr__: I am just tired of hearing about how bad sdice is
mjr__: let's see...provided successful model for crowdsourcing anonymously? check
dub: and romantic ideals aside, this is really just a question of, will the everyman use bitcoin if its p2p'ness goes away
mjr__: gave a lot of publicity to bitcoin? check
mjr__: brought in users? check
dub: personally I think the problem will be solved differently
dub: but there is a scaling problem due to SD, you can't argue against that
mircea_popescu: then again every practical use of prototype code will expose bad code
mircea_popescu: the idea is to take the correct dev attitude "o sorry we eat c0x. working to fix"
mircea_popescu: rather than the incorrect dev attitude of "so don't do that!"
mjr__: mt gox finally got their websockets back up
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
mjr__: !ticker mpoe s.dice
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
mircea_popescu: the correct syntax is !ticker m s.mpoe, but assbot is not talking to mpex atm.
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
dub: mircea_popescu: so in a free market world, you should be joining the foundation, lobbying for and funding your own devs to correct the problem
mjr__: if it was worth his time or if he found it worthwihle
dub: its not like it would be unwelcome, gavin has tried to get rid of luke before
mjr__: that is the whole point of the free market, everyone does what they want
FabianB: finding good devs is not easy
mircea_popescu: if they don't follow i'm going to start my own devteam and fork bitcoin.
dub: well do that then but its chosing the harder option
mircea_popescu: the miners, the larger ones anyway, will be starting their own clients
dub: right, so much like we won't have teh market you percieve as free for much longer, bitcoin will stop working
dub: yes that is the opnly option
dub: stop carign about peoples wish for decentralisation and low fees
mircea_popescu: there's no room for the entitled poor in the new world.
dub: its still kinda one of teh selling points
dub: and with centralisation you extinguish the last facade of anonynimity
dub: so you're gettign back to being a credit card
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu. more hardline than stalin. just... the other direction.
mircea_popescu: it never existed to begin with. pseudonimity however is just as 100% as it always was.
dub: we're not talkign about now
mircea_popescu: in my estimation, asic mining wll be a lot more decentralised than gpu mining
mircea_popescu: people like gigavps, amazingrando, hashking et all had a disproportionate share of power in the ecosystem
mircea_popescu: it was based on the shaky foundation of marginal personal ability, cause running a gpu farm is a logistic nightmare.
mircea_popescu: it did use the cheap "anyone can run a gpu" fud tactic, but in fact it was as centralised as it can get.
mircea_popescu: anyone can run an asic. so... que the end of that system.
dub: not once teh generational change has completed
mircea_popescu: it will be a case of "he who has 1000 bucks gets a vote"
mircea_popescu: instead of "he who has 200 dollars and spends his time f5-ing amazon and knows how to make fire hazard pics in his basement"
dub: you think mining will be more distributed with higher cost to play?
dub: or more solo miners?
dub: mining has been centralised since pools appeared
mircea_popescu: before the cost to play was, 200 bucks + 5k worth of computer competence.
mircea_popescu: it's just some people don't know how to account, and so the 5k "is free"
mircea_popescu: there are at least 100mn people in this world who can spend 1k dollars.
mircea_popescu: there are MAYBE 1mn people in this world who have the skills to run gpu rigs but do not have gainful employment
miscreanity: asics are plug and play - gpus required a considerable amount of experise and se to manage
mircea_popescu: unsuirprisingly, they;'re mostly mental deffecrtive / weird / marginal doods.
mircea_popescu: so our miner putative market increased by a factor of 10k%
deadweasel: I think we can all agree that the continued eating of c0x by all users/miners/devs will improve bitcoin or it's bastard children.
dub: it sounds like youa re arguing that like gamers mining on their 1-2 gpus, a lot of randoms will decide to grab an asic and mine
dub: reality is asic mining will centralise much more than gpu mining did
mircea_popescu: i am arguing that for every wanna-break the world kid / bank clerk who thinks he's a banker / duimbass kid who thinks writing "options" on a webpage makes him an options trader
dub: as soon as diff normalises its the same game
mircea_popescu: dub no because the cost to be the top dog will have went from own 500 items worth 200 each
dub: either eek out a tiny margin on your gaming rig/hobby asic or go large
jborkl: instead of "he who has 200 dollars and spends his time f5-ing amazon and knows how to make fire hazard pics in his basement <LOL
jurov: yes the debpth (bottom graph) is wtf in firefox. but in konqueror+webkit it's fine
mircea_popescu: and if you think people won't be buying asics at 1k a pop, let me tell you something :
mircea_popescu: when that hungarian scammer showed up it he was checked out the next day
mircea_popescu: there is demand. come out with an inventory of asics you will sell 10-100k units in a month if you can actuyally deliver them.
gribble: Error: "burnside" is not a valid command.
gribble: burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 22 hours, and 30 seconds ago: <burnside> I don't think so.
dub: mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing will happen as happened with gpu
ZedsterX: i have been given a free scam lightning miner 4.0 unit
jborkl: people that know what to do with them made money?
dub: when people get sick of the heat, noise and earning $2/week they will get out
dub: which will leave people who are doign ot as a business
kakobrekla: funny, 100mhash revenue in euro dollars is same as 1 year ago give or take
dub: <mircea_popescu> when that hungarian scammer showed up it he was checked out the next day
jcpham: i've been debating whether or not to run more gpu/more fpga every day
dub: I don't need to tell you that the only people who checked it out are serious miners
jcpham: i'd really like to acquire 3x singles
dub: a few extra mindless forum babies does not a decentralised verification network make
mircea_popescu: think about it : i am going to get a mining cluster which i will run for purely strategic reasons
mircea_popescu: mpex needs assurance that idiots like luke-jr stay irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: so will pretty much every single service built on top of bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]
dub: if you got into mining you it would not be with one asic
mircea_popescu: dub i can calculate how many asics i need to have in order to guarantee my payments make it witin an arbitrary timeframe
dub: yes which is beyond 90% of would be miners
jcpham: strategic mining is a subject i like
mircea_popescu: jcpham i bet you in 2013 we will have special mining software allowing miner to issue orders much like ip routing tables
mircea_popescu: there will be a dedicated box preparing the mempool for mine rigs in most farms
dub: so every bitcoin merchant has a mining farm to confirm its txn
dub: hell, why not an altchain each
jcpham: i'm getting hella paid leasing my rigs then
mircea_popescu: dub if bitcoin fucks up you bet your sweet life an altchain each.
jcpham: mining cooperatives are an excellent idea
mircea_popescu: the girl hinted as much at some point arguing with the hearn&co idiot parade.
jcpham: even though everyone hates on it
mircea_popescu: soon enough there will be a market for mempool gatway rules.
dub: yeah, you just invented fiat
mircea_popescu: suddenly yet another reason for 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx emerges.
mircea_popescu: it will be a LOT easier to handle those issues with fixed addies
dub: you realise that your anonymity model is bunk when you only connect to nodes you transact with
BingoBongo: So this got Hearn's panties in a bunch even though he does so much work with SPV clients?
mjr__: mircea, how can i get quotes right now?
mircea_popescu: mjr__ right now you can't. what are you trying to do ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 1.45 = 29 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.45 = 2.9 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: I could see getting pissed about colored coins or the dude who put and MP3 on testnet trying that on the real blockchain, but miners filtering transactions? Gavin reccommends conf settings for miners.
mircea_popescu: and honestly i think colored coins are a horrible nonstarter. i can only imagine the sort of crap that'd occur if they caught on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.45 = 8.7 BTC [+]
mjr__: mircea: just wanted to see where my positions were at
mircea_popescu: mjr__ trade is practgically frozen so nothing much would have changed.
mircea_popescu: that;s kinda it, i could have come up with a pure vpn solution
mircea_popescu: and only allow trusted people on the network to talk to the exchange
mircea_popescu: however, i judged that'd create a haves/havesnot disparity that's both huge and sudden
mircea_popescu: better and fairer just freeze things for a little bit.
mjr__: i like the protected message open channel
mircea_popescu: but to expand on the plan : as an absolute rock bottom if things can't be otherwise resolved within a week, i will publish a gmail address, and trade will work via email (you email your paste instead of putting into site, you get it back)
mjr__: out of curiosity and i haven't really thought this all the way through
mircea_popescu: as a relative rock bottom, if things can't be otherwise resolved within a couple of days i will have a vpn installed. this has the disadvantage that it puts the brokers in an iffy spot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.55 = 3.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also, we are currently working on using irc bot much like gribble works. there should be one up soon and another during weekend.
mjr__: would a recaptcha and session timeout not solve most of it?
mircea_popescu: and also, much larger infrastructure should be coming online during the 8th.
mircea_popescu: it would solve nothing at all. routers are getting friend, not boxes.
mjr__: and i'm sure that they are randomizing the addresses enough to bypass any sort of blacklist rirght?
mjr__: and CDN couldn't fix either?
mircea_popescu: cdn doesn't do this. there are ddos protection services out there, but all have their own issues
mjr__: i'm sure you have thought this through
mjr__: i was just curious for my own benefit
mjr__: as to how one combats this
mjr__: i'm really fine regardless
mircea_popescu: cloudflare is very cheap (like200 a month) but it's mostly intended for random kid dickery.
mjr__: this is quite sustained
BingoBongo: Cloudflare goes down enough on its own
mircea_popescu: blacklotus is expensive, and i have yet to locate anyone that can give me the straight dope about what they actually do./
mjr__: hmmm, and since it is routers not boxes, proxies won't really help?
mircea_popescu: mjr__ proxies help in the exact sort of way i had it set-up : open web proxy which connects on a sort of private vpn to mpex webservers
mircea_popescu: but the thing is, they actually took the time to blow up all these.
mjr__: hmmm, i have a little idea
mjr__: and would depend on what router capabilities
mjr__: and whether you have control/access to it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.72301, Best ask: 42.84000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11699, Last trade: 42.72301, 24 hour volume: 162226.99314014, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 46.74900, 24 hour vwap: 41.19641
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
mjr__: i'm wondering if you could basically require a signed message in the
http header request to get to the webserver
mjr__: ie. the router would drop all traffic that did not contain the signed header
Lyspooner: my sentiment is that the options aren't there right now
mjr__: hmm couldn't you conceivably use QoS to give
http traffic priority on the router
dub: not if the router is on fire
mircea_popescu: {"avg": "4713745617","min": "3024713516","max": "4853472885","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.62504497419E+12","cnt": ""}
mircea_popescu: mjr__ understand, the box was doing something like 0.07 load all through the ddos.
mircea_popescu: a. a lot of calls closed up past 24 hours. those don't count.
mircea_popescu: b. a lot of longass short puts were closed, which does count
mircea_popescu: but it counts from way up, so it makes the put side kinda high too
BingoBongo: Mircea, maybe you should tweet @binarybits about this interesting bitcoin story he could run on Ars... Any publicity is good publicity...
dub: im not sure 'we had to close doors due to ddos' is great publicity
dub: and singing of imminent mitigation may be premature
BingoBongo: Gox is alive after all of those Haxxed stories
mircea_popescu: i think there's enough presence to keep the stakeholders appraised.
dub: gox is alive because nobody has mannned up to replace it
jcpham: send a cryptic email explaining how the hot wallet backup was unencrypted and accesible via telnet
dub: nobody is a willing user of gox
mircea_popescu: jcpham i think someone might have noticed that mpex didn't answer on 23
jcpham: you should make aup along crytpic convoluted story
jcpham: involving backups and password in source codes
jcpham: make the story long enough and people will stop caring about halfway through reading
jcpham: they'll just figure it's another scam
dub: you could use nntp tbh
jcpham: then add the word "Psyche" at the end.
mircea_popescu: dub i was more considering that guy's bitmessage p2p thing
dub: google groups can probably take teh dos
dub: heh, I've been ddos'd ~700 times in teh last month
dub: acording to arbor anyway, I don't recall noticing any of them
mircea_popescu: that's kind of the problem, very chinese market out there. "yes sir i tell you we do ddosprotection"
mircea_popescu: "o wait, you mean ddos as in, 6-7 gb sustained with 20gb peaks ?! OMG TAKE A HIKE"
dub: its a racket for sure
Lyspooner: well at least satoshi was considering very big block sizes
mircea_popescu: financial networks, with the financial collapse ensuing
mircea_popescu: from the most recent attack still under way as I write
mircea_popescu: Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in
mircea_popescu: due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil
mircea_popescu: network, with the result that even though everyone knows
mircea_popescu: issued by the evil financial network, because of network
mircea_popescu: effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use
mod6: ;;calc 3700000000/365
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: we're like Visa transactions in Kansas City
mod6: that seems much more realistic.
mod6: i should have examined that closer
jborkl: Mp, what about using bitcoin to send the trade message to your address. cant ddos the entire network, put the encypted message inside a signed transactions- use it just like SD does
mircea_popescu: jborkl " cant ddos the entire network" << o but they can.
jborkl: well, it would be much harder
mircea_popescu: it would be painful, especially if they go after nodes one at a time
dub: yeah, tell that to dalnet
jborkl: yes, if they tracked your first relay and knocked it off, then next one
jborkl: but you can change your relay in bitcoind easily
dub: but I support this move, if only to see the rage from Luke-Jr
jborkl: and you could build trusted relay nodes to push transactions
jborkl: lol, that would piss him off so bad
mircea_popescu: jborkl what i'd do is cause a lot of grief to people otherwise ill equipped to cope.
mircea_popescu: im not here to cause trouble, contrary to what you might have heard.
mircea_popescu: i'll be bringing more capacity online and that's that.
BingoBongo: I heard PrimeAsic, that 99% chance of scam is responsive to inquiries again...
jborkl: If you were a asshole scammer, you would probably run off with Nefario, Piratits, and the list goes on. I am not concerned if you are a asshole, that is not my problem
jborkl: people seem to get confused, you are one of the only ones that has not run away, yet they accuse you all the time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jborkl sometimes people say the things they most fear. it's a defense mechanism.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
dub: I can't take credit its from the forum
BingoBongo: Eh, I figured PrimeAsic blew their chance earlier this week. I'm having trouble figuring out if they are a well planned scam, troll, or both.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
jborkl: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 1000 BTC [+]
jurov: bitvps gets 2nd round
Eduard_Munteanu: Nothing important, I just wanted to peek at the options prices. Placing my overnight orders on mtgox...
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu mostly the open interest covered yest.
jborkl: I should have /nick but I didnt want people to really have a heart attack
jurov: we were making my vps accessible under another addy, suddenly mgmt froze again
mircea_popescu: oix : "7d": {"avg": "4713745617","min": "3024713516","max": "4853472885","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.62504497419E+12","cnt": ""}
jurov: yes, dispalyes quickly
Eduard_Munteanu: Some #mtgox op told me they've banned most of my provider (RDS).
mircea_popescu: i think more than just mpex, tis a test for bitcoins in general.
Eduard_Munteanu: Also, all those chart / live data services merely do client-side lookups through the mtgox API, it seems. Instead of caching and relaying data.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.24999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mtgox is suddenly getting DDoSed by that, not to mention the actual transactions.
jurov: blockchain up here
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, well, I've placed my orders for the night, pretty conservative.
mircea_popescu: live data would not cache by the definition of the term
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 36 minutes and 4 seconds
mircea_popescu: yest i had txs lay stale for > 6 hours before being included in a block.
mircea_popescu: people were liek "o, your bitcoind is ddosed too ?" and i was like no dude, the tx is out since noon '/
benkay: same question as BingoBongo: are pools being ddosed as well?
jurov: so, phungus from bitvps blames me and he won't enable my vps access anymore
jurov: best time to withdraw everything and leave
jurov: mircea_popescu , will you let me?
jurov: sell&withdraw everything from coinbr acct
mircea_popescu: yes, but you have to consider if you sell right now you're hurting customers.
jurov: you didn't understand me.. i can now vanish with all customers funds
mircea_popescu: anyway, par for the course for "hosting" out there : sure we can do it sir! o you mean things actually need to be done ? sorry, pls go to somewhere else.
jurov: as so many ppl did
mircea_popescu: if you ask them they're hosting corps, offer things like unlimited bw.
mircea_popescu: tghen if you serve 500 pages in a day it's suddenly... we're only hosters if you don't get traffic.
jurov: and if you attract ddos, you must apologize.
mircea_popescu: anyway, their upstream/colo host prolly told them to not do it again or else get a real connection
jurov: but yeah, I do have recent enough coinbr backups and am not running away.
jurov: dunno if i should make me killer coffee and set it up or it can wait till tomorrow
jurov: mircea_popescu, how it looks on your side?
mircea_popescu: should be getting everything online today technically since it's almost 1am
mircea_popescu: but maybe get an account with a good ddos protected host.
mircea_popescu: because i tell you something, when they won't be able to take me down they'll harass you
mircea_popescu: and you have a much larger userbase crossection, you'll read plenty of shit in the forum
jurov: i know... hope i bought some time with amazon, plan to set up some load balancing there quickly
mircea_popescu: prolly your best path of action on a personal level is
jurov: heh okay.. if i manage to get asleep
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
jborkl: Mp or Jurov - are there a bunch of pending market orders to fill?
jurov: no, they are filled normally - see live.coinbr.com
jborkl: all of the coinbr are down for me and have been
jurov: jborkl, prolly stale DNS entries
jurov: same problem here, my isp insists caching them, had to change dns server
jurov: and mpex. and live. did not have dns expiration so they linger up pointing to bitvps
BingoBongo: 224744 2 minutes 443 25.33651677 BTC Deepbit 249kb; 224743 4 minutes 581 25.48650003 BTC 199.101.100.218 243kb
BingoBongo: Barely more than the block reward in transactions and nearly a quarter megabyte each
BingoBongo: And these big barely more than 25 BTC blocks continue...
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 12 seconds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: how goes the botting? :)
BitHub: Hey, anyone seen Namworld around?
BitHub: ahh man i really shouldn't use this thing when i first wake up
BitHub: thanks mircea, how are you by the way?
Namworld: I'm here now. What do you need?
Namworld: Did you get any demand for fees to stop the DDoS yet??
Namworld: Or is the DDoS done out of spite or something
Namworld: I need to go in and make a deposit/trade
Namworld: Can you take manual deposits for now?
BitHub: meanwhile btcjam goes on
Namworld: No one cares about BTCjam... that's why
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.005979 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
mod6: 6 blocks mined in 17 minutes?!
mod6: its like faaaasst, then sloooow
smickles: mod6 I've heard that randomness is clumsy
mod6: it is strange though... its like they kick up the ASCIs and grab a few blocks then turn 'em down to keep the difficulty in check?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.00899 = 0.0809 BTC [+]
mod6: im not sure wtf is goin on
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749519.86453 based on data since last change | 4759411.19664 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.08999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
benkay: may i please have user name for mpex socket?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00899 = 0.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 20 seconds
Bowjob: mp is your trolling SA contest still up for grabs?
Bowjob: im trolling gfaqs with coins as practice.. still training
mircea_popescu: lol remember when i used to pay .5 btc for an account there
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 389 @ 0.0007 = 0.2723 BTC [-]
Bowjob: someone gambled 17 BTC to S.Dice with their Mt gox account
Bowjob: it seems the gamble won..
Bowjob: but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
Bowjob: so the gambler is SOL it seems
Bowjob: maybe that guy was angle shooting
Bowjob: saying he accidentally sent it to dice instead of his account
Bowjob: so erik would refund him
Bowjob: the same thing happened to this dude back then in dec, lost 50 btc
sgornick: Bowjob: There's someone on the forum just claiming 21 lost that way.
Bowjob: yeah were tlking about the same guy
Bowjob: he bet 17, won it.. but then the money got sent to mt gox
sgornick: > but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
sgornick: You mean to which Mt. Gox account it went.
sgornick: Well, Mt Gox can tell. They have better things to do than track down mistakenly made SD payments though.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.38580, Best ask: 42.39209, Bid-ask spread: 0.00629, Last trade: 42.39209, 24 hour volume: 118703.21738512, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.39283
mircea_popescu: hey, is it the guy who misidentified someone else's bet on bitbet as his own and rose hell here a few days ago ?
BingoBongo: If only I could reread that post on Trilema...
BingoBongo: I actually came on here today because i was wondering why I couldn't ready your classic on the housing crisis.
BingoBongo: Thanks. Have you though about just storing a copy of the Trilema archive in the namecoin blockchain. I don't think they'd mind.
mircea_popescu: you know trilema is like 7k articles, over 10mb of plaintext
mod6: lol oh yeah JimRogers
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.70000, Best ask: 42.81500, Bid-ask spread: 0.11500, Last trade: 42.78384, 24 hour volume: 114078.83449030, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.60795
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4755826.83674 based on data since last change | 4747165.78694 based on data for last three days
gribble: There are currently 111370.77 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9613421.27709 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0052 seconds
BingoBongo: Sell orders about trippled since the last time I asked that...
Bowjob: wait till they hit 10k
gribble: There are currently 115133.36 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 17157717.7085 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0056 seconds
Namworld: as price go up, people tend to start putting money in the way.
gribble: There are currently 98810.011 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 5632319.28639 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds
Namworld: So no manual deposit I get it...
Namworld: anyway, MPEx will be getting an upgrade too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.75902, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.22449, Last trade: 41.75902, 24 hour volume: 112921.07904056, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.64678
Bowjob: oh no. we are crashing again
Namworld: But you'll see there's an updating message.
Namworld: Why would price madly like that and stay like that?
jcpham: i'm gona have to say bitcoin
Namworld: Wrong answer... that's the answer to why it raised, not why it would stay like that.
BingoBongo: You'd be surprised Namworld the things that Dunning-Kruger can explain. It's like the new Goodwin, but for the Slate crowd.
Namworld: What does Dunning-Kruger has to do with it?
Namworld: Everyone thinks they're skilled because they buy BTC higher and higher because it keeps going higher and higher?
BingoBongo: It's why we could hit 10,000. Coinlab biting off more than they can chew and somehow instead of a flash crash we get a flash rally when they are hacked. Also yes your second point.
BingoBongo: A combination of the two could probably make a new normal though.
Chilca: thanks, is there any status of the DDOS?
Namworld: I bet after it all settles, people who kept buying will be apoplectic with explanations and sound just like people after the dotcom bubble...
dub: Chilca: sounds like it is ongoing but mpex has now been taken offline for upgrades
jborkl_: Bitcoin chart reminds me of silver chart,just compressed
Namworld: MPEx is a bit late on schedule for the upgrades
dub: its actually 3pm on teh 8th
dub: in the earliest TZ anyway
Namworld: Honestly, with upgrades, it's always hard to estimate.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.80100, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.18251, Last trade: 41.91771, 24 hour volume: 109127.80902302, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.65552
Namworld: Can take twice or half the time or more.
mircea_popescu: anyweay, the first irc bot should be around in a few hours i think
reddddd: @CoinBr What's the point of having a support forum if you're not going to use it more major stuff like this?
dub: you can get to coinbr?
dub: oh bitcoinforum.com, good point
reddddd: CoinBr also seems to have a twitter account that could have used an update. There are so many better ways to let customers know what the hell is going on than just IRC.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you'll be able to go something like #post blabla and the bot will answer with an url to a pastebin with your response.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.444 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.440001 = 1.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44000006 = 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.5 = 10 BTC [+]
dub: novels are being written to explain how fees work to a novice
dub: the simple answer is bitcoin is stupid wrt fees
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.62827, Best ask: 42.79000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16173, Last trade: 42.80000, 24 hour volume: 104745.97636275, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.61786
mircea_popescu: "Pimples can be treated by various acne medications prescribed by a dermatologist, or purchased at a drug store with a wide variety of treatments."
BingoBongo: You know medicine is fucked when leukemia is easier to treat than pimples.
mircea_popescu: you know, back 300 years ago when the encyclopedists came up with the first one, it was a monument of erudition
Diablo-D3: modern medicine refuses to accept the treatment because they can't charge obscene amounts of money for it
Diablo-D3: take high doses of omega 6 for the rest of your life.
BingoBongo: My french isn't good enough to make an informed opinion on Diderot's
Diablo-D3: not only does it cure pimples, it cures and lessens lots of other things
BingoBongo: Leukemia is easy to treat too. Eat a bunch of methotrexate and live.
Diablo-D3: through in 5000 IU of vitamin D daily, and you'll probably add another ten years to your life
mircea_popescu: im willing to go on a limb and say you'll get my point
BingoBongo: What am I reading from again, Retardo-wiki'wiki'wiki'wha?
BingoBongo: Rubeta: a poison derived from the juice of a frog. Juvenal wrote of a lady who mingled this kind of poison in wine and presented it to her husband
BingoBongo: What little french I've read mircea_popescu has been at least 200 years newer
BitHub: almost time for teh weekend
mircea_popescu: Ce qu'on appelle bonheur, est une idée abstraite, composée de quelques idées de plaisir ; car qui n'a qu'un moment de plaisir n'est point un homme heureux ; de même qu'un moment de douleur ne fait point un homme malheureux. Le plaisir est plus rapide que le bonheur, & le bonheur plus passager que la félicité. Quand on dit je suis heureux dans ce moment, on abuse du mot, & cela ne veut dire que j'ai du plaisir : q
mircea_popescu: uand on a des plaisirs un peu répétés, on peut dans cet espace de tems se dire heureux ; quand ce bonheur dure un peu plus, c'est un état de félicité ; on est quelquefois bien loin d'être heureux dans la prospérité, comme un malade dégoûté ne mange rien d'un grand festin préparé pour lui.
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it isn't that unlike James
BitHub: mircea coming to australia this weekend?
BingoBongo: William James, one of maybe three Americans introspective enough about the pecuiar brand of manic misery here to approach a reasonble target for a philosopher
BitHub: where the bloody hell are ya
BitHub: lets go visit kimdotcom i'm bored
mircea_popescu: call the bank ready to bite their head off for being idiots
BitHub: seems odd when someone else says it
BitHub: being a bunch of cunty's?
mircea_popescu: i mean, bitcoin transactions taking 6 hours ? okay. its some internet funny money nobody heard about.
mircea_popescu: but when my banker has to tell me he failed because the wire system is down...
BitHub: i had to sit a cafe for 6 hours just to wait for 1 confirm
mod6: (20:09) < BitHub> DEATH TO SD
BitHub: i didn't care before till i had to start waiting hours and hours and hours for 1 confirm
mod6: ahh, successfull troll 9/10
mod6: this stuff about SD is getting out of hand
jcpham: i don't care so much about SD
jcpham: if txns aren't going through that's a problem
jcpham: a problem i think miners should capitalize on
jcpham: i'm not sure how though
jcpham: if SD wants its blocks mined it needs to pay a toll
jcpham: it needs a pool in its pocket
topace_: how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ?
jcpham: that's why i pay a fee on my txns, because i want them to go through
jcpham: specialized pools should crop up soon
mod6: what is going on...
BitHub: so you mean just a mining farm just for SD transactions?
mod6: so tx's are not being processed at all?
jcpham: in some cases they are backing up because of the 250kb block limit
jcpham: luke-jr and others primarily blame this on SD
jcpham: and then some say the devs should all hold hands and increase it
BingoBongo: I blame bitvisitor. At least some SD transactions carry appreciable amunts of bitcoins.
mod6: yeah, read about that shit earlier...
mod6: today has been insane even outside of btc today, hard to keep up
mod6: so basically btc is fucked
BingoBongo: Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet
mod6: if they move up to 1Mb that buys them some time, but isn't any different then what the global central banks are doing
jcpham: the "SD is spam" idea has traction
mod6: yeah, looks like it
jcpham: At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
jcpham: network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
jcpham: specialists with server farms of specialized hardware. A server farm would
jcpham: only need to have one node on the network and the rest of the LAN connects with
jcpham: assume we're close to the point of full node/ merkle nodes
jcpham: what happens to SD if pools or full nodes implement that patch
Diablo-D3: bitcoin will just shove SD tx out because they don't pay fees
BitHub: i got so angry i sold over 1000 sdice shares for whatever the fuck price, something cheap and nasty
jcpham: not enough beer. my apologies
mod6: i'm gonna guess they will cut SD out, and then SD will just pay fees and maybe raise betting levels?
mod6: there was talk about raising min fee to .01 or something, but that doesn't give incentive to not use anything else gay like PP
mod6: now, see, i thought that EV kept sayin how he pays fee's and the miners are getting rich off the fee's alone...
mod6: ala, something like `SD has paid more in fee's than all the rest of the tx's combined'... must find link...
mpexbot: smickles: Error: "coin" is not a valid command.
mod6: so i think that SD pays the fee's which is what got me so worked up this morning reading all of Luke-jr's crusade to rid the world of SD
mod6: but the blocksize thing is a seperate problem.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBongo> Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet << this.
mircea_popescu: <topace_> how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ? << the mpexbot just showed up
mpexbot: BingoBongo: Error: "OIX" is not a valid command.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "dix" is not a valid command.
doctor_pullfingr: can we speculate that the ddos against mpex is retaliation for SD spam?
mircea_popescu: lol i don't think luke has the resources for something like this.
BitHub: what's the price of SD now?
BitHub: wonder if its gone down a bit
BitHub: not like yesterday when everyone thought mpex was done for hey
BingoBongo: Luke has too well developed though weird sense of ethics for a DDOS
jcpham: that message thread may wind up framed in the luvre or some shit
BitHub: yeah remember mircea everyone in otc was panicing
jcpham: mircea_popescu you should partake in -otc for a bit
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it didn't get more traction, should be a cult classic.
jcpham: channel needs desperately to be +m
BitHub: are you sure he's in that movie mircea?
mircea_popescu: he plays a tax accountant for the state of florida lol
BitHub: ahh search not seek :P
jcpham: i just realized the other day that mario puzo did superman
jcpham: the original screenplay
BitHub: nice same guy as godfather
jcpham: and jor-el is the fucking godfather
BitHub: ahh yeah that's right he did play jor-el
jcpham: do you think when they were filming the godfather and made money
jcpham: marlon brando was like
jcpham: you know i'd really like to be superman
BitHub: fuck man how good was marlon brando
jcpham: and that was as close as he came to it
mircea_popescu: jcpham do you know the one where marlon brando went like... hey, i'd like to rape this 19 yo
jcpham: hrm sounds questionably legal
maximian: These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade…
mircea_popescu: became like, a feminist and everything. total tableau.
mircea_popescu: maximian tell you something : if morons are gonna kills anything then fuck that anything.
BingoBongo: The anti-SD crusade isn't going to kill bitcoin. The crusaders are more people who liberated their bitcoins by freeing them into S.Dice's arms. Probably... except for Luke.
maximian: the problem is their little "SD is spam" meme is starting to spread
mod6: (20:48) < maximian> These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade... <<< this
BitHub: the coolest thing about brando was when he sent an indian woman to collect his oscar for his role in the godfather
mircea_popescu: maximian mod6 people fail to realise this, but there's a good reason and great strategic advantage in the girl's fuck you attitude.
mod6: (20:46) <+mod6> "First, SD has paid more mining fees than everyone else in the world, combined." << Is this a lie?
mod6: (20:46) <+Luke-Jr> mod6: yes
BitHub: oh yeah i remember this movie
BitHub: it was pretty friggen psycho
mircea_popescu: no meme spreads past the point where someone's holding a club
mircea_popescu: mod6 the guy's insane, sd paid like 55% of all fees ever paid
maximian: DailyAnarchist put it right it a bitcointalk thread: if nobody knew what the source of these "spam" transactions were, then the discussion would be about how to improve the system to handle more transactions. The fact that the crusaders know these transactions are from SatoshiDice has clouded their judgement.
mod6: mircea_popescu: im /nearly/ at a loss for words.
BitHub: but even if he did, meh that's his personal life, still the best actor
mircea_popescu: it's simple drama. some people who mean very little started to notice.
mircea_popescu: and are trying to inject themselves into the public eye
mircea_popescu: how is that accomplished ? why, crusade for "the betterment".
mircea_popescu: the thing is... unlike fiat that shit doesn't work here.
BitHub: he gave me a pretty lulz neg review
mircea_popescu: at any rate, drama backs bitcoin, so, all this is good.
mod6: BitHub: and you're on Luke-jr's side?!?!?
maximian: it raises my hackles, I tell you! :)
BitHub: heh i'm not on his side
BitHub: but i do have beef with sdice atm
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha drama is right. BTC has more drama than Lifetime Channel.
mircea_popescu: mod6 imagine how it'll be when women finally discover it.
mircea_popescu: otc made out of ~100 middle aged women with nothing better to do
BingoBongo: bitcoin-assets we've taken the family car apart six times today just to get some quiet time
mod6: (20:54) < jcpham> luke-jr if you don't stfu about SD i'm going to burn your church down
mod6: (20:54) <+Luke-Jr> jcpham: I'll be there to shoot you when you try.
mod6: (20:55) < jcpham> :)
mod6: (20:55) <+mod6> wwjd
BingoBongo: Rome isn't it? He's catholic his local stuff doesn't matter. I just wonder which of the BitBet pope bets are his.
doctor_pullfingr: GoDaddy got semi famous off the savetoby controversy. Then got really famous off the Superbowl controversy. I think S.Dice should milk this controversy for everything it's got. shout S.Dice is spam from the mountaintops
mod6: (20:58) <+Luke-Jr> anyhow, I was just trying to get a feel for how many people would run a counter-SD client if I take the time to write the code
mod6: this is like his own fork isn't it?
maximian: evoorhees should reinvest his profits into a massive mining pool - that's probably the surest way to make the crusaders irrelevant.
mod6: i mean he's not saying that, but thats what it is.
mircea_popescu: maximian at this point in the game it's the surest way to go bankrupt.
Luke-Jr: maximian: the surest way is to stop flooding and implement SD properly
mod6: Luke-Jr: what you're proposing is a hard fork of the blockchain right?
mircea_popescu: mod6 so he starts his own client, what's the big deal ?
Luke-Jr: heck, I'd even offer to do it for him except my stupid State has laws against writing code for gambling -.-
mod6: ok. i don't care if he starts his own client.
mircea_popescu: face facts : sooner or later Luke-Jr will end up in a little corner playing with some correct toys nobody cares about
mod6: as long as everyone else figures out how to solve the block size issue.
BitHub: laws against writing code?
maximian: If you didn't know the origin of the transactions, what would you say?
mod6: SD is another problem
mod6: but... whatever. they're two seperate topics
BitHub: Luke so you could fly to mexico and be all sweet?
Luke-Jr: why the USA has such a big problem with gambling, I'll probably never understand
mod6: what if SD wasnt a gaming site?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm not interested in relocation to Mexico.
BitHub: so online gambling is illegal but guns is sweet? haha
mod6: what if it was just some random tx's from the same host that paid the fee's?
mod6: would you say the same thing?
BitHub: Luke-Jr ya i know was thinking if you spent a week there adn wrote the code, would that be legal?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I don't care how it's financed
BitHub: hmm i think you would get away with it :)
mod6: Luke-Jr: ok. so what happens when there are 1,000,000 bitcoin users and they all create 5 new tx's per day.
mod6: what then? we just shut the fucking doors and go home?
mod6: christ on a pony this is idiotic
Luke-Jr: mod6: no, that's far less than SD does
mod6: you're saying that SD does more than 5 million tx's per day?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I'm saying adoption matters.
Luke-Jr: 1,000,000 nodes can handle 5 mil txs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.446 = 2.23 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with the current broken bitcoin-qt there will never, ever, no matter what be 1mn nodes.
mod6: Luke-Jr: yes, adoption matters, you know what I have guys download? something for their android
mod6: not the full client.
mod6: i don't want them to wait 3 days
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: 1,000,000 users also brings a number more developers onboard
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr what the fuck are you thinking this is, chicken lay eggs ?
Luke-Jr: mod6: eventually, Bitcoin-Qt will be instant-on
mircea_popescu: herpderp joe sixpack becomes a dev if you aggregate 5000 of them !?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for adoption to scale right now is to fix the motherfucking client.
mircea_popescu: actually it may be the worst piece of crap ever used by this many people.
mod6: so you're gonna make your own client, that'll have your branch (exclusion of '1dice') in there native?
mircea_popescu: simple illustrative point : i can pick a torrent worth 7gb right now, anything with less than 20 seeders
mircea_popescu: this means blockchain MUST be downloaded in 15 minutes tops.
mod6: yeah, torrents are uber fast
mircea_popescu: until the point that's the case none of you people have any business eating even.
mircea_popescu: forget having oppinions. just tap the kbd till it does it.
jcpham: lots of info for SD investors to speculate on
mod6: vote with your coins!
jcpham: i think this entire chat would be insider trading somehow
jcpham: now all we have to do is collude
jcpham: you would think, but...
Bowjob: mhm anyone think bfl wont deliver by april?
BitHub: deliver you a big box with a letter inside it asking for money money
BingoBongo: I bet they might, BitCOin's just playmoney anyway
mod6: are tx's going through though?
BingoBongo: Blockchain saw it... Let's see if it confirms...
BingoBongo: You're welcome. It's one of those World Baseball Classic penny bets, because apparently that didn't have enough chutzpah to attract much interest. I've had too much vodka tonight to mess with the python script so I don't know at this weight if I will clear anything, but fuck it. Bitcoin is an MMORPG and that's what I'm telling the 5-0
SpNg: hey mircea_popescu I have been out of the loop the last couple days. What's going on with MPEx? I see that it's down right now.
BingoBongo: Bitcoin is a drama role playing game and it just so happens the tokens to play the game happen to be valued quite a bit. Like WoW gold.
mod6: im starting to think the same thing. like fast-times-at-btc-high.
BitHub: an expensive game of emotions
mircea_popescu: there's a forum post the girl made summing up everything
SpNg: mircea_popescu: seriously? wtf? you have a link to the post?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, god knows i'm well loved and i can't think of anyone or anything that'd have it in for me.
BingoBongo: Maybe Coinlab, You just debuted that OIX thing that kind of threatened to replace MT Gox spot... Though you presented it more modestly.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh... what diff would it make to anyone if its gox spot or oix or a random number coming out of a hat.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's the consensus it's as good as any other, for a service provider.
BingoBongo: I mean the girl's been hammering the Gox is dead mantra and some noobs seem to be trusting her for a change. You might have survived the game long enough that people start to assume you're legit.
mod6: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
mod6: that's been a while now, longer than most of us
BingoBongo: The Coinlab buying Gox's USD book threatens Gox's sustainability angle
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo im not even sure they seriously want the #1 spot.
BitHub: they're are many peeps many working on ways for americans to get around coinlab into gox
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 16 seconds
BitHub: i think you'll see a lil bump but gox should be okey :)
BingoBongo: I dunno yCombinator has all of that renting apartments out to methheads money Mircea, it was probably either bought, hyped, or humiliated. I don't think Gox was forced, but I say this with a low degree of confidence.
BingoBongo: BitHub I trust it will be smooth, but the newbs opions shape the shouting
BingoBongo: Coinlab probably though it was a bargain
mircea_popescu: after the french fiasco they certainly didn't feel the need for a replay, so.
mircea_popescu: it's a win-win : the noobs get bragging rights (which they don't know how to use, but hey, youth), mtgox gets out of some stick.
mircea_popescu: the us public becomes even more underserved, isolated, ghettoized
BingoBongo: Gox never really had the staff or skill to handle the low information customers
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's some lessons being learned here. everyone wants to be more like mpex.
BitHub: be nice is there was something just as big or popular as mtgox
BitHub: not good to depend just on mtgox?
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, the net result of mtgox's however we call it, incompetence, being stretched too thin
BingoBongo: ANd that's the crucial difference from 2011
mircea_popescu: they have been bleeding market share month by month by month. by now i wouldn't even bet they do a third.
mircea_popescu: this of course becomes problematic for pricing options.
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
mod6: hardy fuckin har miners
BitHub: so is mpex going to do its own gox? :D
mircea_popescu: And thus it came to pass that the splendid son of bright-minded Keleos,
mod6: cross your fingers and pray to dog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4999988 BTC [+]
BitHub: and that's stopped you before?
mod6: this next block should be sizeable
BitHub: its such a good word, i use it for slang all the time
mod6: but its a 250k limit so the joke's on me LOL
mircea_popescu: i never understood how that 250k limit got to be there
BingoBongo: mod6 I would bet my bet makes it in this next block...
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, that seems pretty strange to me now.
mircea_popescu: recently i discovered the way bitcoind works is all quirky and based on assumptive limitations like that.
mod6: do you believe there should be a block size limit at all?
BingoBongo: Another point for SD over most miners, BitcoinJ isn't as poorly coded as BitcoinD
mod6: oh... it seems to me that if 1 billion people send 1 satoshi in 5 years, it could be a 10gb block... who cares, process it
mod6: maybe im just retarded
mod6: i have been hit in the head a lot :S
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem here tho is that bitcoin as it is is bitcoin as it is.
mircea_popescu: if i get married to you on the understanding that you always wear red underwear
mircea_popescu: as stupid as that may turn out to be, it's still in the fucking contract
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it still follows many of the arbitrary limits (because bitcoind), but the code organization is much better. Kind of sad because well, Java.
mod6: right, so yeah, they wrote it in, no going back.
mircea_popescu: now, the only way to change something like that is the way gavin proposed it
mircea_popescu: ie, "let they who have anything to lose decide where it should be"
mircea_popescu: they who have anything to lose are, of course, the miners. so a system where miners vote somehow on standard block size may be a replacement, maybe.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo ya srsly. why the fuck do these people make these choices.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a bad idea for coders to be allowed to chose their language.
mod6: na, gotta be able to pick the right tool for the job... but that doesn't always mean that the guy will make the best choice
mod6: i can still use a butter knife as a screwdriver
mod6: but its not best... im just retarded
BingoBongo: WordPress and a watch only wallet powered by ArmoryD is probably how I'd write a bitcoin site if I had to.
mod6: yeah, wow. im blown away by some of this. how did I not zero in on these things?
mod6: its like punching myself in the dick
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 42.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 42.50000, 24 hour volume: 78229.70545564, 24 hour low: 40.11000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.23642
BingoBongo: Honestly the miners'll probably roll with whatever, making the margins work is their business. Let the pool operators cap block sizes and open up the daemon for everyone else.
BingoBongo: mod6 the bet made it in, miracle what a decent transaction fee can do
mircea_popescu: for the other, security strictly depends on the block being finite.
BingoBongo: pragmatism will lead miners to cap the size of their own blocks unless they want to birth hydrocephalitic orphans
mod6: right, well i guess you dont want people putting in the wayback machine into the blockchain...
BingoBongo: mod6 and it is the first one. BitBet shows the bet as registered as well
mod6: yeah they're a bunch of Fascists
mod6: hitler was against very against smoking too
mircea_popescu: "Maybe some quota-filling cop thinks you look like a whore."
BingoBongo: Eh, take Canthaxanthin for a few months and walk around New York, some Cop will grab a real good feel.
mod6: BingoBongo: 2 confs now...
mod6: so at least with your .0025 fee, that was good enough
BingoBongo: mod6 It has been my standard fee for about a month now. I'm not patient enough to send with less.
BingoBongo: Even on small transactions it is cheaper than a wire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00072776 = 5.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00075 = 3.8625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.96000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24998 BTC [-]
Rick__: When will you fix MPEx
ZedsterX: I just got up to having my comp hacked....so what is your sitch now MP?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
ZedsterX: anyone else in the channel have problem with attacks on their comp last night?
mircea_popescu: ok so! what you folks see here is a historical moment.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
smickles: for watever reason mpexbot's pro pastebin feature of posting >25 posts per day hasn't been enabled yet
mircea_popescu: Rick__ it is a method of talking to mpex that can not be ddosed
mircea_popescu: now, mpex infrastructure is being upgraded, and it will be back sometime today.
Rick__: so many computer things that I dont understand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1337 @ 0.00075 = 1.0028 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok so, im closing the ordering now, because i don't want inconsistencies. this is all testnet stuff.
BitHub: is it hard to make a ticker from your api mircea?
mircea_popescu: worst case scenario just moved to "if 10 Gb pipe isn't enough to stop ddos, we just trade via mpexbot"
mircea_popescu: BitHub not really an api but still, i don't think so, it's all json after all.
BitHub: okey, hopefully i can feature a mpex ticker on my site soon, if its okey with you of course
Rick__: so what's the s.dice price now?
Rick__: what command can I use to check the price
mircea_popescu: Rick__ the price hasn't appreciably changed since trade has been locked for the past ~12 hours
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.00596 / 0.00599 / 0.00599 (92 shares, 0.6 BTC), 7D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.0065 (28529 shares, 177.2 BTC), 30D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.00687 (139940 shares, 868.7 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.41510000 / 0.4566318 / 0.51000000 (197 shares, 89.95646538 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.55221757 / 0.68700000 (1696 shares, 936.56099770 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63685913 / 0.76500000 (8993 shares, 5727.27416254 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.4999988 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4999988 = 2.5 BTC [+]
Bowjob: shoulda bought some dice shares
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
maximian: last s.dice trade on mpex was something like 0.0058
ZedsterX: gotta be in for the long haul and ho-pe or dump
deadweasel: what should I do with 1600 shares on bitfunder?
BitHub: i doubt s.dice will be here for the long run
BitHub: i would dump and pump into jah mining and collect daily divs
BitHub: that's what i been doin
maximian: I wouldn't be so sure about that. S.dice is more than just a dice game, it's a brand
deadweasel: i had some jah, was good, but I can't get rid of these sdice. bought at .55 sold at 75, then bought back in at .6 cos I'm still learning, that's why
BitHub: just get rid of them all deadweasel
BitHub: and pump it into jah, anything you'll loose you'll make up in the dail divs
deadweasel: if they are 58 on mpex, know anybody who wants them at .55!
maximian: yes, building brand awareness is expensive. the value of s.dice's brand awareness justifies the stock price alone.
deadweasel: yeah, i'm going for divs only stocks these days. sdice may not make it to the next divs, as it is. the brand may make it through w/out the assets
maximian: Some big gaming concern is probably going to come in and scoop up s.dice
BitHub: the core of the community hates S.DICE
maximian: An acquisition would be a great exit for all investors
maximian: That's not true - some of the core devs, not all
BitHub: we just had a 5 hour tango convo about this before
maximian: There are enough mining pools who will always confirm s.dice transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 39 @ 0.5 = 19.5 BTC [+]
BitHub: its been a good day, have you seen all the giveaways on otc?
BitHub: i even got in on the action
BitHub: gave away some btc for twitter followers heh
deadweasel: that's good business right now. +1s and followers and likes
ZedsterX: jah mining is on MPEX? I have never seen this or is it called something else
deadweasel: bitpride is going to do the same thing as sdice?
BitHub: yep when i eventually get into full marketing mode i'll pay offering btc tips for peeps who paste their address to me on twitter or fb
BitHub: better than fb's advertising system
deadweasel: you should automate it --- mechanical turk for likes.
BitHub: but the coding, programming stuff, me doing it? is like getting the janitor to fly the airplane
deadweasel: spend some time to interview local college kids for an 'internship'. orjust pay them shit
BitHub: lul i'm paying a few programmers on here atm, slowly
deadweasel: until you get bigger then hire a better coder and scrap and redo
deadweasel: srsly though, expectations of bitpride?
BitHub: um bitpride i was looking at those shares but felt a bit shy
ZedsterX: Namworld: thx so where is it listed?
BitHub: its cool its something different but i dont know
Namworld: I got a few shares for the heck of it.
deadweasel: i'd just rather have my btc going up than my shares going down.
BitHub: is jah the only onepaying daily divs on BF?
BitHub: everyone else is weekly or monthly yeah?
maximian: I like the idea… but what if pastebin gets DDoS'd?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
mircea_popescu: maximian it's temporary tho. they've not credited the acct to pro status yet
BitHub: is it really hard to combat it?
BitHub: or just really expensive?
mircea_popescu: mpex is pretty much the only thing that even has a prayer at it, but otherwise... nope.
mircea_popescu: they ARE expensive to do tho, so in a sense a self limiting condition
Rick__: when will be the new version of bitvps's website on?
BitHub: any idea who's behind it?
Rick__: I have been waiting the new bitvps for a month
Bowjob: " * Show your support in asking the MPOE exchange where the S.DICE security is located, to de-list the security until the problem is addressed."
BitHub: free membership and 5btc to whoever finds
Bowjob: guys a huge dump is happening
maximian: that misterbigg guy is a little slow
Bowjob: just increase the min bet
mircea_popescu: maximian he;s a funny guy. he was active in the s.dice thread back in august
Bowjob: 0.1 BTC per bet or gtfo
maximian: hehheh…I wonder why he bothers
Bowjob: well, it took like over an hour to confirm my tx last night
Bowjob: imo we need a compromise. this blockchain bloat is annoying
deadweasel: can i push from bitfunder to havelock?
Bowjob: how about increasing the min bet on all dice games
deadweasel: i like that idea, until BTC is worth $100, 1000
BitHub: it wouldn't be that hard to get s.dice shut down
BitHub: they're based in usa right?
deadweasel: I think Sdice needs to handle the issue on their end, do their own gambling fork.
maximian: I do like all this s.dice exposure… being talked about is what keeps it on top
BitHub: yeah its good pr for sure
deadweasel: anyway, how could I get my SDICE from bitfunder to havelock?
Namworld: They could easily take bitcoin deposits and have a fork for the sole purpose of calculating lucky numbers, nay?
BitHub: i just hope s.dice pays taxes
Namworld: giving a fork balance that can be cashed out... inconvenient tho
deadweasel: yeah, i don't know. I have no solutions. just shrinking asset value.
smickles: gaaw, wtf are these people on about, do the really thing some script,ajax heavy site would do better against a sustained ddos than a few <tr> tags?
Bowjob: the dice share holders will be opposed to delisting their shares
smickles: people like that mrbig and such
mircea_popescu: smickles the stupid want everything remade in their image
mircea_popescu: that such nonsense would require throwing away the edges doesn't worry them : they don't know what those are anyway
smickles: srsly, that was what I came back to when i went to the forum for the first time in a while
Bowjob: the tx fees are there on top of the house edge yeah
smickles: and all the chuckleheads talking about raising the blocksize
mircea_popescu: now imagine how bitcoin would work if it were you know... like fiat
mircea_popescu: it's kind of interesting how this all worked out btw. the -otc and forum, home of the unwashed masses, all revolutionary and shit. the -assets, where the landed gentry naturally gathers, all conservative.
mircea_popescu: apparently all political history is contained within people themselves.
BitHub: so we're making history right now?
BitHub: yeh but none of it really matters
BitHub: especially before the internet was born, real pointless stuff
BitHub: i've liked how things have played out so far but are we about to see a real dark turn in the road?
OneMiner: The whole issue is wildly overblown. Some extra action will be taken to penalize spammy transactions and the blocksize always had to go up at some point. Not right now though, I think.
maximian: the issue is very polarizing for some reason
OneMiner: It's all the anarchists railing about the injustice (nay TYRANNY) of the concept that the blockchain shouldn't contain an unlimited amount of garbage.
OneMiner: Bah, I need to stop phrasing it that way. I'm not doing any good with this noise.
maximian: unlimited garbage is a problem, and needs to be dealt with
OneMiner: It will be worked out, I'm sure people will be upset for a while. But when the sun rises the next day things will look brighter.
maximian: the drama is compelling, hence the topic goes on and on
mircea_popescu: selecting what is garbage is an overstretch of the licenses granted.
OneMiner: We feed on it right? Here we are trying to adopt a new currency, pretty much out of the blue. Right away we are overly invested relative to the rest of the world. We are all a bit nutty.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the president don't have that authority.
OneMiner: mircea_popescu Except in this case we do have the authority. It's a collective as opposed to unilateral action.
OneMiner: We all choose which clients to run right? There's the vote right there.
mircea_popescu: unless you get your subject to agree with you, there's no basis.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 26 @ 0.5 = 13 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if it actually was solvable that way therer wouldn't be all the whining.
mircea_popescu: the problem is tghat there's no problem, and random selection of idiots are trying to manufacture one for poluitical reasons.
OneMiner: Well... It WILL be solved that way and there STILL will be whining.
OneMiner: It's ok though. The alt coins proove that there is no absolute authority. Miners each have a choice of what transactions to include, the world keep turning.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, because in real world politics people consider the media's focusing on margianl nonissues as signs of some sort of conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: yet in bitcoin there's no media, and yet in bitcoin people focus on marginal nonissues instead of facing the hard stuff. like fixing the damned client.
OneMiner: Cool. I just wanted to pop in with that PSA, the topic is on everybodies mind. :P I've been speaking about this all day. I'm going to bed. :)
Namworld: Damn... MPEx needs to come back up. I want to put some orders in =/
OneMiner: I don't hold their views against them. The details do matter. Maybe it's the need for sleep but I can sympathize to a degree.
mpexbot: smickles: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
smickles: they have an excellent business model
Namworld: What's the new time estimates on MPEx availability?
Namworld: Should I just go sleep and come back tomorrow or is it almost done?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.0342 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.089 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.005978 = 0.0179 BTC [-]
maximian: so this is on the new 10Gb connection?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.18400178 = 82.8008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ill be around to process withdrawals/deposits for anyone needing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.13708413 = 111.7236 BTC [-]
jcpham: youngest bitcoin owner ever
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.11119696 = 75.6139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 100 @ 0.06940607 = 6.9406 BTC [-]
jcpham: is 2175 the correct year
jcpham: why can i not verify that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.05313042 = 34.5348 BTC [-]
jcpham: also i'm serious about a screenplay
jcpham: consider that an opening a prologue
Namworld: I think I'll stay until my MPEx deposit is processed.
mircea_popescu: mpex is closed for a day, when it reopens everyone wants to deposit.
mircea_popescu: i was just saying, poor guy. you went off like 5 minutes before
maximian: anyone who isn't a nervous nelly knows that it was just a temporary issue
Namworld: Yeah, well sleeping is not my forte.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.05216909 = 1.0434 BTC [-]
jurov: hi Namworld, can i redirect coinbr.com to bitvps, should the need arise?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 195 @ 0.06938646 = 13.5304 BTC [-]
BitHub: mpex trading via social media when its down?
jurov: yes, facebook app coming shortly
jurov: but twatter wouldn't be bad... if they had sane interface
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C270T] 214 @ 0.37437884 = 80.1171 BTC [+]
BitHub: yeah that's what im thinking, twitter could come in handy for situations like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7076 @ 0.00072764 = 5.1488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00069034 = 31.4105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42424 @ 0.00067334 = 28.5658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 78 @ 0.00413 = 0.3221 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maximian there's a lot of hardware being set up. i wanted to get people a lifeline as soon as possible
mircea_popescu: access may be spotty over the next coupla days as everything's being assembled, but hey.
maximian: as long as trades can be executed, it's all good
jcpham: he has the same initals as me so he can assume my identity one day
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.08865601 = 39.4519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00588401 BTC [+]
jcpham: people can live forever on the internet you know
jcpham: or at least an identity can
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 750 @ 0.20943788 = 157.0784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C290T] 389 @ 0.3278143 = 127.5198 BTC [+]
Namworld: But if someone still wants to sell a few, I'd take some.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 176 @ 0.00899 = 1.5822 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it seems to me most sales are either deep calls takingprofits
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 150 @ 0.009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 43 @ 0.01 = 0.43 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The properties and procedures of bitcoin can solve real world problems like voting and tokenization, but for now, we use it as money."
mircea_popescu: "and we bitch like a virgin in hell if anyone explores alternate uses"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I'll pay maybe 50 bitcoins for that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.20947704 = 47.1323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.23623458 = 20.0799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200000 @ 0.00075 = 150 BTC [+]
Bowjob: do you see it if i spam the free button?
mircea_popescu: Up to 17.5 million RBS banking group customers were left without their money last night as the bank’s systems crashed.
Bowjob: Mhm, is the free button provably fair
Bowjob: shouldnt i win a lot on the free button
Namworld: the center stuff have way more paths leading to them than others... assuming each spot has the actual odds the same as if the coin had 50% falling either side of each nail.
error4733: cool, add then with all your imaginary coin
Bowjob: mhm, i hit the free button 104 times, i made my browser slow to a crawl
jurov: finally managed to sneak into my bitvps vps..
jurov: just did mount / -f -o remount,ro ; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/root
jurov: leave burned ground to them
error4733: haaa fail, i just try but with instawallet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00075 = 13.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 77 @ 0.00725 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 335 @ 0.65 = 217.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65 / 0.65 (383 shares, 249 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: more than 10,000 shares sold in the last 2 to 3 weeks
Chaang-Noi: that was my fault, im fixing that right now
Chaang-Noi: only 40 shares left at .65 and then im no longer under contract to sell at that price
Chaang-Noi: after bfl fails to ship and asicminer gets 50% of the network i think 1.5 btc might trade
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, are they just targeting mpex.co and not mpex.coinbr.com?
mircea_popescu: i used tghe ddos to make a lot of upgrades, not everything's ready to come up online
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.15947462 = 107.6454 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and wtf is going on in these people's heads, they're simultaneously arguing which exchanges should list and delist s.dice
mircea_popescu: what is this, the dictature of the proletariat or someshit ?! who even asked them.
Namworld: Why is the return amount needed on losses?
Namworld: the 1 satoshi or so outputs by S.DICE?
BitHub: bitcoin isn't a dictatorship?
Namworld: Can't Erik remove those? I don't see much point anyway. You can check your lucky number regardless... If you don't win, don't confirm by sending 1 satoshi?
Ukto: mircea_popescu: they are just going overkill
Ukto: I was talking to Erik the other day
Ukto: yesterday? day before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: No, but is the 1 satoshi return on loss needed?
Namworld: Seems that part could be killed at least
Ukto: mircea_popescu: is erik even under any kind of permentant "cant just up and move" contract with mpex anyways?
Ukto: i mean, seems a bit draconian ?
Ukto: "you can never leave"
mircea_popescu: Ukto if you think about it the only practical effect it has is it prevents accounting becoming a mess a la asicminer.
Ukto: it worked fine there
Namworld: SD offers a lookup tool to check your lucky numbers anyway. If you lose, you can see it from the tool.
Namworld: A lookup search box should be palced prominently on SD
Ukto: Namworld: join the conversation for a sec pls :P
Namworld: If you don't win, don't reply with a 1 satoshi transaction
mircea_popescu: Namworld i dunno, did erik even say at any point why they're sending it that way ?
Namworld: no... I guess so people know the bet has been processed?
Namworld: You can check that without a transaction... that's the point
Namworld: The 1 satoshi "You lose" transaction is kind of pointless.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 40 @ 0.65 = 26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.05283354 = 5.5475 BTC [-]
Namworld: I don't want to read 1 billion forum posts and stupidities just to find if Erik ever considered/commented
mircea_popescu: im not sure what their point is anyway. "unspendable" ?!
mircea_popescu: well holly molly, if 1 satoshi is unspendable then what are we doing here
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how come colored coins are spendable but satoshi aren't ? isn't this exactly the same thing ?
Namworld: apparently not... 1 satoshi takes more fees to transact than the satoshi itself.
Namworld: and people tend to exclude 1 satoshi transactions
Namworld: I guess that's mostly that. Not that it's actually impossible to try to send it without any fee.
Bowjob: Free 1 dollar to everyone
mircea_popescu: Namworld if they get to be old enough don't they become free ?
Chaang-Noi: have some dust in wallet, send to dice for lulz to get rid of it, win under12000 lol
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
TradeFortress: so you can't send 1 satoshi. must send a million 1 satoshi inputs and the size of TX will make fees kill
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.005977 BTC [-]
TradeFortress: It's to apply a penalty to people who try to bloat the blockchain
Namworld: I believe in making hardblocks
mircea_popescu: i don't care so much what people intend to do TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: the point is that serious coders don't use magic numbers.
TradeFortress: then be a miner and choose which TXes to accept :)
TradeFortress: because a small group of coders decided on it. a customizable fee system would be better
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, if you're trying to apply a penalty to people who tryt to bloat the blockchain
TradeFortress: it could (not saying it is) be based on the cost it takes to process/store the TX
mircea_popescu: you want to impose a fee on txs that have small OUTPOUTS
TradeFortress: <TradeFortress> mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: not much trading going on right now
smickles: i guess pizza is what we should stick too
topace: zomg bitcoin is exploding!
topace: mpex down, blockchain.info down, block softlimit filesize reached...
topace: BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
deadweasel: you're not kiddin. blockchain is undermaintenance
topace: what should mpex.co resolve to ?
deadweasel: it should resolve to be a profitable venture
mircea_popescu: topace mpex.co nothing yet. mpex.coinbr.com is what you want
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
jurov: coinbr.com fully functional nao
mircea_popescu: anyway : in case our proxies get taken down, you can use mpexbot to check the json for vwap prices and market depth.
mircea_popescu: you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mircea_popescu: this functionality is disabled currently for administrative reasons, but can be flipped on at will
mircea_popescu: this ensures us against trade being taken down via ddos, unless someone manages to ddoss frenode.
mircea_popescu: there will be a 2nd bot coming online this weekend, doing roughly the same thing, just for redundancy.
jurov: and trades by email are supported automatically?
jurov: or you do the manually?
mircea_popescu: trades by email was an absolute lowest level of desperation.
mircea_popescu: it's just there as a possibility so people understand that no matter what happens, mpex will trade.
pizzaman1337: noob question: I've been watching some options books' and I've noticed some have buy/sell orders of 1000, with constantly changing prices. Is someone running a script with those orders, or are they mpex provided or something?
gribble: You rated user smickles on Sat Aug 25 08:39:34 2012, giving him a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He's been running MPOE.ETF and releasing THE monthly reports, a model for all Bitcoin financial reporting. Also handled k's of BTC as broker for various clients..
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: is that just to provide liquidity or something?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: you totally should change the whole MPEX to be used via IRC
Anduck: just hide the ip of the bot
Anduck: and youre safe from ddos
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: Anduck when i say mpex is the superior design this is what i mean.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: it's far away from superior, sorry.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: wanna know how to really make it superior?
Anduck: i'll tell you. really.
Anduck: the question will be do you have the possibilities to make it happenj
Anduck: but if someone did, it would be superior.
Anduck: just that nobody has done it, yet.
deadweasel: easy, sms via ec2 amazon services sms abilities
deadweasel: i'm from the south, we don't like colored coins 'round here
Anduck: make a system based on colored coin basis
Anduck: it would be totally awesome
Anduck: and if you can, hire a group to make it happen.
mircea_popescu: do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins ?
mircea_popescu: this is discussed on trilema, read that article when i get it back online.
Anduck: but... i saw porn on there :(
Anduck: well tbh i dont think colored coins would make it worse
smickles: < mircea_popescu> you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mpexbot: smickles: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mpexbot: smickles: Temporarily disabled by reques of the romanian
jurov: smickles, this i asked about
jurov: no i asked smickles earlier why mpexbot doesn't do whole urls
smickles: basically, because mircea_popescu didn't ask for that
mircea_popescu: jurov because a. its much easier to parse and b. because the bot can't be touching random servers
mircea_popescu: it's not that i didn't ask for it, it's that i asked for non-it.
jurov: ok, we'll see if ppl start running into pastebin limit
jcpham: something to get involved in finally
kakobrekla: i dont think newbs should be doing this
smickles: hmm, 25 pastes per day for an unidentified user, doable
kakobrekla: there must be some paste something that is not rate limited
deadweasel: couldn't you start an IRC channel that was invite only, pw protected, and people could trade with your bot in there?
deadweasel: that way you keep the rif raf from being able to poke around
deadweasel: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> lets paste the mpex output to reddit <<< thart was considered, and is still on the list :D
deadweasel: course EC2 doesn't allow IRC servers, not the free ones anyhow
mircea_popescu: this is a very heavy political issue and i won't solve it that way.
mircea_popescu: well... i don't and i think the attack i've seen could actually blow them offline
deadweasel: i can see you with half you face painted blue right now, mircea_popescu
deadweasel: "but they will never take our, MPEX!!!!!!"
smickles: lol, "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my harddrive?"
jcpham: PC Load Letter _ wtf does that mean!?!
mircea_popescu: also smickles you ever saw seek and destroy, the film ?
mircea_popescu: you don't read trilema enouygh, i tore them a new asshole.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen that
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, they should have immediately took the site offline
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5105 = 1.021 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 at the fucking least change dns pws, argue with their dns provider, and leave someone to watch that accoutn
Diablo-D3: why did they even have a password for their dns shit?
Diablo-D3: they should have been using secure certs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [-]
smickles: anyone know how I can get supybot to send the return of my markov command instead of the 'invalid command' error mesage?
davout: mircea_popescu: your blog fails to load
davout: which is why I want a refund for your stupid trilema credits
mircea_popescu: why you come here bother me i call the police i tell you
smickles: davout: i was able to sell some of mine at a profit
davout: smickles: which order book
mircea_popescu: you know, the kid that you take to the park in the stroller, comes back with 3 strollers and a motorbike
gribble: Error: No orders for this currency present in database.
smickles: aw, mircea_popescu, you flatter me :)
davout: smickles: haha i guess i'm not really used to the over-the-counter exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.62 = 16.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.62 = 3.24 BTC [+]
smickles: an easy way to do it is to go to home depot with 5 usd, buy stuff to make a water pipe, construct it and sell it to a pothead for 70 usd
davout: mircea_popescu: lol fuck you
mircea_popescu: (if anyone doens't know, davout is the frenchie that sold bitcoin to the banking system. bitcoin-central.net)
smickles: you still use that pic of some guitar guy as you forum avitar?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 1.63 = 13.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C250T] 87 @ 0.41809214 = 36.374 BTC [+]
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins would make it superior?
mpexbot: but... i saw porn on there :(
smickles: oh, i should open it up to the public
mpexbot: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mpexbot: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins 'round here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000676 = 1.352 BTC [-]
smickles: the forum is unreachable for me
mpexbot: who are you talkin' about you troll you
smickles: oh wait. it just had 60 second load times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.005884 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles it shouldn't mention people by name cause of hilighting issue
deadweasel: i've been in aspergers irc channel all day and only 3 people have spoken
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 206 @ 0.18392015 = 37.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 144 @ 0.22 = 31.68 BTC [+]
deadweasel: I'm gonna get these apies to talk if it kills me
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
smickles: bah, i'll just stop the markov stuffs
gribble: 1 BTC = 43.98000 U.S. dollars = 33.8047656 Euros
jurov: ^ finally back to normal concerns
jurov: yup, CoinBr.MPBPT-E sells nicely
jurov: that trust amazes me... jumping now into something that will pay in the end of april.. maybe.
gribble: Current Blocks: 224907 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.0008422 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 884 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4768367.08384 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.16901
jurov: CoinBr.iDiff-O March SALE: Now at 0.0580 only!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5105 = 7.147 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 105784.75 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9308184.03323 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4770622.24721 based on data since last change | 4705708.63176 based on data for last three days
jurov: well, looks like it's hit
jurov: disconnected it, iptables time
jurov: Mar 8 22:31:49 ip-10-48-233-64 kernel: [114573.916044] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]
jborkl_: it is saying unrecognized key
jborkl_: my key manager might be using the wrong default key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5299 = 5.299 BTC [+]
mod6: what's up with gribble.. needed to re-auth and it gave me this:
mod6: You don't have permission to access /otps/D655A630A13E8C69 on this server.
mod6: Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
asa1024: Having a problem, Citizen?
mod6: (15:52) < mod6> hey nanotube
mod6: i can verify that this failure occurs on two sepearte hosts
smickles: < mircea_popescu> smickles bring mpexbot post online pls. << right away capin'
mpexbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
smickles: hmm, how to have help list the 3 commands
smickles: there are depth, vwap, and post
smickles: you can do a 'help <command>' to get specifics
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap Takes no arguments.) -- Returns all available market data, excepting depth
mod6: ok i was able to use MPEx via dpaste & assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00074998 BTC [+]
mod6: i gotta see if any of the proxies can process PGP messages similar to mpex.co used to -- otherwise I gotta change my perl scripts
FabianB: if they are online, yes, works exactly the same
mod6: cause i can be lazy until i gotta update 'em with the new mpex key
jurov: pympex should be spewing out messages with new key by now
jurov: datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 10, 23, 59, 59)
jurov: ^something is wrong here
jurov: i understood the change will be tomorrow... March 10 midnight
jurov: looks like it's indeed switched
jurov: everyone fix ya code to datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 9, 23, 59, 59)
mod6: when it rains, it pours
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.69 = 6.9 BTC [+]
mod6: well, ok gotta run for a bit here... but got lots more to do.
mod6: The good news is that MPEx orders are processing with ye ole assbot
jurov: actually looks like both keys work now
mod6: oh thats cool. thanks for checking that out.
mod6: nanotube: when you get back... im still getting a 403 Forbidden when trying to get my OTP from gribble. I'll be back perhaps after midnight CDT if you need help or anything...
jurov: hm, mpex.coinbr.com back online although very slowly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 75 @ 0.02656921 = 1.9927 BTC [-]
BitHub: blockchain not working?
pigeons: Namworld: he's using a bitvps
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24899 BTC [-]
jurov: no quickly grabber amazon
jurov: but had to drop mpex.coinbr.com, it's just not manageable
kakobrekla: i have a proxy runing but only for people i death with this one aint leakin
Namworld: Damn, mpex.coinbr.com was my only access
jurov: and messed up the setup a bit, coinbr.com will be available when dns clears out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5299 = 1.0598 BTC [+]
pigeons: really kind of ridiculous to make a story and pretend it means more than absolutely nothing
B0g4r7: ^ Suppose Luke-jr travels to BFL HQ next week and obtains BFL ASICs before the 15th. Will the bet be decided as true? Does it still count as "delivery" if he picks them up?
B0g4r7: I think he's an order-holding customer.
pigeons: he's a customer, it says customers
kakobrekla: the bet for May will exclude luke and giga
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749 = 2.247 BTC [+]
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
kakobrekla: >>Bitcoin is beta, SatoshiDICE is taking advantage of bugs in the software.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
Namworld: hmm, I can't decode MPEx's replies
Namworld: using a proxy just like mpex.coinbr.com
smickles: I was just recently able to decode an mpex reply
jurov: just found out amazon s3 allows POSTS
Namworld: It says perhaps i didn't sign the key. But it worked before.
jurov: i'll do mpex proxy there, FUCK YA DDoSers
BitHub: is this done in real time?
Namworld: I'm booting my Bitcoin Armory. Tip incoming.
jurov: i can mirror mpex to the s3 cdn
[\\\]: Namworld, get ssd, it loads in <1 minutes
jurov: and it can accept post requests that show as files in s3 storage
Namworld: It takes me 40 minutes to boot the damn thing
Namworld: I have hexacore with 8 GB ram... the ressources are hardly being used.
[\\\]: then you're doing something wrong
[\\\]: it shouldn't take that long
Namworld: Armory still takes it's goddamn sweet time to load
[\\\]: have you updated it?
Namworld: It also keeps crashing randomly. And yes, I update it.
Namworld: months ago, it used to load in 3 minutes
Namworld: now it crashes, doesn't update confirmations while running and take 40 minutes to boot.
Namworld: But I've been upgrading bitcoind/armory when new versions come out for quite some time and it never fixed anything.
jurov: this one makes a difference
Namworld: I think it's more of a problem with Armory but eh
Namworld: I'm reloading the blockchain now...
Namworld: Damn, 0.8 is going much faster
Namworld: But .7 wasn't really slow to start with.
Namworld: the DDoS is persistent... It's been what, 2 or 3 days?
nanotube: so, do we now have a complete bot interface to mpex?
mircea_popescu: the drawbacks of having a dayjob lol. it was his idea to start with
Namworld: It was down. I think jurov is currently putting it back up on amazon
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067334 / 0.00073042 / 0.00075 (329638 shares, 240.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074909 / 0.00078628 (11033986 shares, 8,265.55 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (60249830 shares, 41,255.72 BTC)
Namworld: Well I could sign orders manually and use the bot
Namworld: But that's slow to swiftly switch orders around.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.90000, Best ask: 43.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.09900, Last trade: 43.99900, 24 hour volume: 43158.15323252, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 44.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.43720
Namworld: Good for just placing an order or two.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i suppose you could write an irc bot of your own
Bowjob: why dont we stop selling BTC for USD and jus BTC all together
Bowjob: that way gox prices wont go down, and if we pay with BTC the value doesnt go down
Namworld: That would be assuming I could even program such a thing. I don't have the know-how to.
Bowjob: seems like a win win situation if everyone does that
mircea_popescu: Namworld im sure one will crop up soon enough, much like pympex did
Bowjob: if they sell to USD, its lose-lose. btc value goes down and they get fiat
Namworld: Because merchants being paid in BTC needs to sell them to buy the goods from others in USD...
jurov: and i'm researching users posting orders directly into amazon s3 :)
Bowjob: those merchants that need goods should pay other merchants in btc
Namworld: a DDoS resistant MPEx interface.
mircea_popescu: lol well folks... i hate to be the one feeding the conspiracy theories, but
mircea_popescu: while it's marginally possible some random internet bloke has the power to be doing all this, it seems somewhat unlikely.
mircea_popescu: there is a lot of skill and there are a lot of resources involved with such ample ddosing
jborkl_: i already thought of this, and I know who
Namworld: Anyone with a good botnet could do so, but why?
mircea_popescu: just the traffic i've clocked, and i've not clocked all of it, would have cost on the black market a good few thousand $$$
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 11 @ 0.62997 = 6.9297 BTC [-]
Namworld: Where's the request for money for it to stop?
mircea_popescu: even if im getting half of all ddos bitcoing is getting , that puts the total cost of this adventure in the 10k range
mircea_popescu: not counting the time and effort involved on the admin side
mircea_popescu: there's literally not that many people with a botnet good enough
Namworld: Unless it was started by a botnet owner, not purchased off the black market.
mircea_popescu: also there's risks involved (if you run it continuously isps find your zombies)
Namworld: Infected computers don't cost much to operate.
mircea_popescu: ya but ideologically speaking, it'd seem an odd fit to ddos bitcoin
Namworld: Seems it's targeting MPEx only.
Namworld: MPEx has a huge wallet... I would have thought ransom request.
jborkl_: whoo is the biggest dipshit with a grudge? There is your answer
mircea_popescu: and blockchain.info wallet for instance isn't all that fat.
jborkl_: that Has 24hr access to botnets
smickles: that guy was off a whole other hinge
Namworld: I don't think any of these individuals have such botnet access.
mircea_popescu: ciuciu couldn't afgford to retire his 50 btc debt are you kidding m,e ?
pigeons: if someone wants to pm me a proxy
BitHub: hey guys check out my ticker bithub.asia hope to be adding some assets prices and gold and silver prices soon :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to process a coupla donations to freenode for me ? you need cc/pp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.52998999 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: how much money are we talking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54879 BTC [+]
dub: you can get a spoof for free just ask in #freenode
BitHub: thanks mircea, hope to have some mpex in there soon and have it in real time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.569 = 9.104 BTC [+]
jborkl_: Illlsend it Mp, tell me the detdeta
mircea_popescu: something/somebody is going after crucial bitcoin infrastructure
Chaang-Noi: im not too shocked, someone just wants lower priced coins
mircea_popescu: mpex is hanging by a thread, mostly because it doesn't actually need a website
Namworld: Someone manipulated the price. Convinced businesses to accept Bitcoin and newswriter to make good articles.
Namworld: Now that he's sold at a hefty price all he got, he's attacking stuff to send it all back down.
BitHub: yep saturday lunch time
BitHub: good break from bitcoin
smickles: Chaang-Noi: what have you been drinking recently?
dub: mircea_popescu: fatter tube holding up?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
BitHub: i like the idea of twitter trading for mainstreamers for situations like this
Chaang-Noi: on bitfunder can you not see the market if you do not have an account?
BitHub: you can see what each asset is worth
BitHub: and bids and asks on teh asset
mircea_popescu: actually brokers also work fine, the only thing off is the website
Chaang-Noi: thanks dub facepalm for no link to that one the homepage...
dub: its there the site doesnt work in some browsers
dub: I had the same problem
dub: you can still facepalm
Chaang-Noi: asicminer at .7 on both sites, not bad
BitHub: ahh so you actually have mpex brokers that can trade outside of mpex?
BitHub: sorry i thought it was something dif
BitHub: so i could be a broker for outsiders just by having a membership? :)
BitHub: ima have to sign up if i ever see 30btc to spare
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f1d64cbfe5e2c1cd476971545c0677c8865a7770210dd351e8d0d57a
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1337 2 Official supplier of freenode chains.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user pizzaman1337 has been recorded.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
Bowjob: this btc sell off is mildly entertaining
Bowjob: watching coinlab.. bulls vs bears fighting
pigeons: sel off? its higher than last time i looked by a few dollars
pizzaman1337: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 Great experience with Bit4X, highly recommended
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
smickles: < mircea_popescu> what do you mean outside of mpex ?! << transfer ownership of mpex assest as people, preferrably with contracts
smickles: just because it's in my mpex account, doesn't mean i necessarily own it. I may hold it for another who then wants to trade with a third who wants me to hold it for them as well
kakobrekla: yeah, better downrate me quick mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: on one hand, if you're a broker, then you enter trades into the exchange at the behest of customers.
kakobrekla: id be at 200 if id been a rating whore
mircea_popescu: if you don't enter the trades you're not a broker, you're a bucket shot.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if you're acting in a private capacity obviously you can do whatever you want with your own assets.
mircea_popescu: now, as long as the third party knows this, ie, you're not presenting yourself as a broker when you're not brokering this is all fine
smickles: also there is the taboo way to trade off mpex
pigeons: ripple ious for mpex assets
smickles: how about this, register, buy X, sell the gpg key
smickles: or rather, sell X and deliver the key
doctor_pullfingr: has anyone tried open transactions ious? I like that ripple idea but they don't have a server
pigeons: doctor_pullfingr: knotwork runs 2 open-transactions servers. ripple does have a server. do you mean cause they didnt open source the server yet?
smickles: i tried OT, but it took so much to install on my system that i kinda burned out on it
doctor_pullfingr: i don't care if they open source the server or whatever, private licensees is fine, I just want my own server.
smickles: afaik, you get as many keys as you buy
smickles: (well, that's a silly way to put it)
pigeons: you can have as many keys as you like but the keys arent "active" without 200 xrp owner reserve + 50 xrp + 50 xrp per trust line
pigeons: same as before, private payment networks, plus now the integration with bitstamp and ukto's weexchange
doctor_pullfingr: Oh, I thought you meant sell the mpex key. I got the free ripples so I can sign up people already have, but I still want my own server.
kakobrekla: bitstamp is retarded, the only reason they have so big market share is cause they dont hassle folks with ids n stuff
doctor_pullfingr: thanks mp for the lesson I'll be changing my nick to bucketshop soon
kakobrekla: the practical use of ripple invloves bitstamp which involves retardation
doctor_pullfingr: I think there is a ripple gateway client in the wild but to make it work with mpex seat you need the to server. I'm floating the idea for comments, I don't know for sure if this will work.
knotwork: There is some kind of ubunto install now for OT, you just tell your system about the repo and use apt-get or somesuch to install it
knotwork: no idea, I dont see how OT helps with mpex really
maximian: can someone pm me an mpex proxy?
doctor_pullfingr: If I want to sell ripple ious where people pay me bullshit fiat and I automatically purchase beloved satoshi dice, then I need something that talks to mpex. I think OT is the closest tool for that,,but some automation is probably lacking.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
maximian: I'm lazy… just wanted to replace a string in pympex
maximian: does pympex now work with this irc bot?
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr im just thinking, you want to talk to mpex programatically, pympex is like two pages of python
maximian: mircea_popescu: what about setting up 100 AWS t1.micro instances (only $23/year if reserved, or $1.91/month), and install the proxy server and bind on each. Then add all 100 instance IPs as A records to mpex.co.
doctor_pullfingr: I'm kinda worried about security on that approach because Im just some warehouse developer.
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i scarcely see how more code can mean more security, in principle.
Bowjob: someone in the us got their Avalon now
Bowjob: i wonder how likely it is that by the time my avalon 2 ships, bfl still hasn't shipped?
doctor_pullfingr: I'm not at all against that, just voicing a concern. I had the idea that the developer for the OT server thought more about authentication more than I care to think about it
Bowjob: theres 200 BTC say NO on bitbet
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr yeah, i'm mostly talking outloud on the topic too
knotwork: mpex uses gpg authentication though so why you need OT's auth on top of that?
mircea_popescu: knotwork i took it he meant he's concerned as to what to do with the data coming out of pympex
Bowjob: i feel bad for mr 500 BTC on yes
knotwork: though I suppose you could plug in GPG libs instead of OTs currencty crypto libs since it meant to be pluggable
doctor_pullfingr: I don't have enough rich friends where I can convince them to spend 30 BTC per account.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob bitbet is doing some brisk trade this month for sure
knotwork: what is the actual use case? own things in mpex on behalf of people you act as broker for?
knotwork: so you want to tamper-proof your own records of what you are holding on behalf of who?
maximian: it just needs to be integrated into pympex and we're done
knotwork: its suprising people actually use IRC bot. I made entire exchanges between umpteen coin types before and no one ever used it
mircea_popescu: knotwork when i brought mpex back after it's half day pause yest
knotwork: yeah weird, as it even still needs the gpg that people complain about
knotwork: mine was plain IRC bot, just say hello to it give it password, standard insecure crap like normal people seem to prefer
knotwork: held wallet for you based on your IRC nick, one wallet per type of altcoin
knotwork: is it true at all that using Tor .onion site or i2p site these DDOS attacks would not work?
knotwork: I would've though the DDOS might just kind of clog entire Tor or i2p system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.545 = 1.635 BTC [-]
maximian: It looks like you can actually start 100 t1.micro instances in Amazon's Ireland data centre… tempting
maximian: I wonder how that plays out legally
doctor_pullfingr: so, sounds like old school irc server and irc bot/supybot/pympex is all I need
mircea_popescu: knotwork the tor proposition is a little more complicated
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i don't see why you'd need an irc server
maximian: it'd be $437/month on a spot-price basis
knotwork: does email still work for communicating with mpex?
knotwork: its how I originally isgned up I think?
knotwork: tho hmm maybe I did use web for status command
knotwork: oh but thats it, email doesnt work for whole panoply of commands?
mircea_popescu: knotwork it never did. i said at some point day before yest that if the worst comes to worst im taking mpex to email
Namworld: Someone would have to be strongly dedicated for that to happen tho
Namworld: Anyway, I'm off to sleep. Night
Bowjob: These are some delicious pictures
Bowjob: printing over $300 equivalent
Bowjob: Looks like BFL might downgrade their specs
jcpham: who wants me to tell them how paranoid i am
jcpham: it's an interesting story about two events
jcpham: i received two phone calls this evening within 10 minutes on different phones
jcpham: unintelligellible speech
jcpham: i think it was information gathering
jcpham: i'm downloading the voicemail recording to study the waveform
jcpham: i'm not sure... my voice, my location
jcpham: considering how often my phone rings
Ukto: Bowjob: so that was another batch 1 shipment that got delivered today? 0,o
Bowjob: its not like all the people who got them are posting
Bowjob: this chinese dude didnt tell the forums until he had problems
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 31 seconds
Ukto: ahh, i saw the package picture and thought it just arrived
jcpham: gavin emailed some pools
jcpham: suggested increasing block limit
jcpham: or reminded them of where the config settings for this are located
jcpham: bitcoinfoundation blog
jcpham: prolly wanna follow that one
mircea_popescu: he's not recommending anything but here's some guesswork.
jcpham: it's better than nothing
jcpham: i like how he does fear, uncertainty, and doubt as three separate bitcointalk forum links
jcpham: nanotube how goes the diplomatic corps
jcpham: the kids are totally abusing gribble
jborkl: Ok, I almost have it worked out, to take mpex on your phone
jborkl: Two steps, working out the kinks
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mpexbot: nanotube: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
nanotube: maybe consider making a separate channel with some help in topic.
nanotube: to make the different bots and their commands more discoverable...
mircea_popescu: yeah the topic might use some reworking. things very fluid still.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main mpex should be online soon and maybe maximian brings online a suite of tinies ?
jborkl: I got it off the key server,since I am doing this on my phone
jborkl: Ok, thanks. The phone will trade easily with the bot
jborkl: Only a couple steps, and they could be combined
jborkl: It opens the potential, so people don't have to use python or be proficient with gpg
mircea_popescu: Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system. They had to re-learn basic skills — reading, writing and math — first before they could begin college courses.
Rick__: Hi,why MPEx still cant be used?
Rick__: And I withdrawed 423bitcoin yesterday,and didnt receive yet
Bowjob: how the fuck do you forget how to read
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
Rick__: MPEx,I still cant open the website
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: i've flushed deposits/withdrawals a number of times since yesterday,
Rick__: so complicated for me~~~~~~
mircea_popescu: if you didn't get yours processed tghere was a problem with it (such as it being larger than the amt available, for instance)
Rick__: so when can I receive my withdraw?
jborkl: Mp, I am just tired. But I have it worked out to trade from the phone easily
mircea_popescu: Rick__ if you've not received it yet there was a problem with it
mircea_popescu: do a STAT to make sure what you can withdraw the do a withdrawal.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.74 = 13.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.749 = 1.498 BTC [+]
Rick__: o shit,you are right,I put a number big then I have
Rick__: and about the bots,I can only use them here?
mircea_popescu: issue a fixed order, i'm arround so it will be processed fast.
mircea_popescu: we are working to bring much more power online, but it may take a little longer.
Rick__: and when will the MPEx be back/
mircea_popescu: as soon as possible. you can read a status update on the forum
mircea_popescu: also people like jborkl_ are working to bring trade interface to phones
Rick__: and how can I give a withdraw command here/
mircea_popescu: first make the clearsigned and encrypted text for it as normal
Rick__: about trade interface to phones,that's very very useful,I want know more later
Rick__: pastebin.com is a website?I cant open it
Rick__: Let me try another way
Rick__: and put my text in this one?
Rick__: yes, just the code,leave other things along?
Rick__: first which is the url you are talking about,i dont understand
Rick__: "url" define it please
Rick__: sorry,I dont know much about computer
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 9 seconds
Rick__: Okay,I gott go,and waiting for MPEx back
BitHub: is the mpex api data working atm?
BitHub: ahh sweet thank you sir
BitHub: i guess i have to wait for website to come back to get a website version of the api?
jcpham: i have another super awesome blog-a-ma-post
jcpham: about how me and this dude are video collaborating using mega.co.nz
jcpham: me and my friend nick were bitching about how we don't have dropbox accounts
jcpham: that hold hundreds of gbs
jcpham: they were quick to deliver on fpga
jcpham: nzghang or whatever his name is
mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy whi discovered the chips bfl used in fpga ?
jcpham: seems like he reverse engineered it
jcpham: or identified it using all knowlege available
dub: he scraped the plastic off
jcpham: maybe he watched the history channel
midnightmagic: ngzhang is the one who reverse-engineered the identities of the fpga in bfl singles.
midnightmagic: ngzhang reconnected a trace that had been destroyed which prevented the chip from identifying itself normally.
midnightmagic: he is also the most ethical businessperson, next to magicaltux, I have ever seen operating in the ethics-challenged bitcoinland.
midnightmagic: present company excepted from such a comparison of course.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic what's some highlights of magicaltux ethicalness ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Paying out-of-pocket for all hacks/malfunctions, giving out free yubikeys to help secure accounts, sponsoring events, fighting legal battles to help keep bitcoin legal, maintaining privacy of accounts (excepting the coinlab thing,) participating in infrastructure rollout, keeping permanent historical account trade records..
mircea_popescu: i do recall the absorbing of the failed polish exchange
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: he also strongly fights against illegal activities and thefts that use his systems for laundry activities.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no. trades were rolled back during their hack
midnightmagic: he lost 2000 btc from that, and paid out-of-pocket.
Ukto: "avalon is wiping the floor with bfl" and "asicminer is wiping the floor with avalon"
midnightmagic: I'm failing to see how doing an exchange rollback as a result of unauthorized account activity is itself unethical.
mircea_popescu: paying out of pocked for all hacks/malfunctions means they honor every single order at 1 cent a bitcoin that was ever made.
Ukto: except AMs turnup time is far faster
Ukto: I can only say so much
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the sticky issues in my mind is whether the hacked account at that time was mtgox selftrading on customer credit, and whether the email leak at that time is something they failed to prevent
Ukto: kinda sad since i bought avalons and rooting for them
Ukto: but i know the reality of things hehe
mircea_popescu: well, so they come out to about even as best i can see.
Ukto: wiwthin the next 2~6 days
Ukto: although if I get my avalons in the next week, i will be stoked :P
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: There is no evidence that is the case, nor is there any evidence from our perspective that MtGox themselves did anything less than they could have to prevent the account leaks. From what we know, it was either two hacks, one of them being a readout from a financial analyst who had privileged access, and the other being completely unknown, or one hack, being the financial analyst.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's a fact that customers had been reporting passwords being broken into which tux/gox blamed on customers, for weeks prior.
mircea_popescu: and the guy with the emails db claimed that it was mtgox poor practices (course... he's the thief)
midnightmagic: And we have no evidence that that is not the case. Also, many of those who complained publically disappeared and did not pursue the matter when confronted.
mircea_popescu: in fact, afaik none did pursue the matter when confronted
midnightmagic: One of them did, but only on the forum, and did not seem at all concerned about losing $50k worth of bc.
mircea_popescu: anyways. just taking the opportunity to compare notes.
midnightmagic: Point is, MtGox has been exceedingly ethical, especially when contrasted with real-world banks and other financial institutions.
mircea_popescu: Ukto re avalons, some deliveries have been popping up in the us
midnightmagic: Most of the inconsistencies we can see are just as likely to be MT's lack of perfect knowledge of what's going on, which of course I know of no people who are perfectly aware of their own systems.
midnightmagic: Yeah, Avalons are being delivered in California already
Ukto: yeah, but those are batch 1
Ukto: batch 2 shipping eta was mar 5 ~ april 5
midnightmagic: Batch #2, as far as I'm aware, hasn't even fully been order-filled.
Bowjob: Oh man.. BFL victims caught a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome
mircea_popescu: Ukto batch 1 was like 200 units iirc. that's a total 12th or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: asicminer, also ready in january, also 12 th, has slowly been bringing units online to about what, 5-7th now
Bowjob: well mp, their deadline was actually feb 28
Bowjob: the jan 20 was a "bonus"
Ukto: I know alot about AM that I cant discuss. :)
Ukto: just be ready to be surprised.
Bowjob: that never materialized
Ukto: technically all of batch 1 was supposed to be shipped by march 1st
mircea_popescu: Bowjob ya well, keeping accurate accounting of all the weird communication people pour into the market out of noobishness and whatever other reasons is difficult.
Bowjob: yeah, they were 10 days late
midnightmagic: And in China, a few users did in fact receive their units.
Bowjob: yifu said feb 28.. then he moved it to possible jan 20 deliver
Bowjob: he did deliver 2 on jan, but got shut down by the chinese
Bowjob: then resumed on march up to march 10,
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's very fortunate and convenient that 1. asics are delivered by two companies with roughly equal output
midnightmagic: Some users did get their units outside of jgarzik and the btc foundation.
mircea_popescu: and 2. that these are producing each less than about half the network
Bowjob: yeah there was this chinese dude that didnt tell the forums
mircea_popescu: Bowjob there were some who did report privately. i knew of a few.
Bowjob: so avalon did deliver, they are late for the rest though, since their deadline was by march 1st
Bowjob: theres this one dude at the forums offering $10000 for an avalon
Bowjob: if bfl fails to deliver, batch 2 avalon will ship
Bowjob: no, its just some random dude at the forums
Bowjob: offering to buy an avalon for $10000
mircea_popescu: this is a little more than what asicminer increased. so... he's about in the market atm.
Chaang-Noi: i would odds are pay $10k for a working alalon that was right here right now.
Chaang-Noi: at current rates, and bfl wont get there in that time...
Bowjob: when will bfl realistically ship?..
mircea_popescu: i would pay 1300 dollars within 60 days for a delivered and guaranteed asic.
mircea_popescu: what i do with it is nobody's business, what the heck is this.
Bowjob: i mean, 200 BTC.. thats says no on bitbet
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't pay 10k for a computer just because i can make 10k on a computer in 15 days
BitHub: i'm intrested in that film stuff you were saying the other day mircea
BitHub: where you doing a commercial for mpex?
Chaang-Noi: not paying something for $10k when you could odds are get $50k from it in 3 months?
BitHub: you were going to film a renactment or osmething
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi nope. i pay by costs not by what seller judges "i might make"
Bowjob: mhm, i find it good news that the asics that were shipped took a week only
mircea_popescu: BitHub o, the gumpys. i never cancelled, the other party vanished.
Bowjob: considering its from china
Chaang-Noi: i doubt anyone would really sell one for only 10k
Bowjob: cant wait to get my hands on it. it even comes with gloves
Chaang-Noi: i bet asicminer shares are going to bubble soon
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
Bowjob: damn chang, touching assbot
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.40666, Best ask: 44.49000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08334, Last trade: 44.94000, 24 hour volume: 40002.15598561, 24 hour low: 42.41100, 24 hour high: 44.94000, 24 hour vwap: 43.69874
Bowjob: oh.. well as for the asic
Bowjob: thats considering you convert it to fiat
Bowjob: which is very difficult for me to do
Bowjob: I wonder what people were thinking when they bought Avalon 1
Bowjob: josh said theyd deliver faster, and bfl were superior tech wise
Bowjob: .. then whats the point of avalon then
Bowjob: heck, yifu said avalon wont deliver first
Bowjob: .. did someone see through josh's lie?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob i think midnightmagic bought some, you can ask him
Bowjob: yeah midnight, if you're from batch 1
Bowjob: Yeah.. coz, back then BFL said they would deliver sooner
Bowjob: and they had better specs
Bowjob: so.. why would anyone buy from Avalon?
Bowjob: and yifu announced after bfl announced
midnightmagic: Diversity of hardware in the event of asic doomsday, ethics of ngzhang, BFL's past history of late delivery, and I've been mining since Dec '10.
midnightmagic: Heck, I was about to order one from cablepair before he went insane.
Bowjob: mhm.. the whole thing was a minefild
midnightmagic: I'm fairly sure that electricity won't be the lower bound of price for some time. The first time was market reaction to the bubble crash, and lots of doofuses predicting the death of bitcoin.
midnightmagic: and yet it.. never.. quite.. dipped below electricity costs.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i'd guess electricity will never be the bound. fixed costs amortisation will always be larger from now on
mircea_popescu: take a while for a 60gh asic to cost 1.x k usd in electricity.
Bowjob: heck, if this becomes profitable for me I'll rent a warehouse
mircea_popescu: by then probably better units need to be bought. and so...
Bowjob: and avalon users will get credit for a trade in, yeah?
mircea_popescu: the thing is before a large portion of mining cost was hidden (as "free" expertise)
midnightmagic: Bowjob: The amusing part is, people who do that simply can't compete with the long tail of people doing for "free" in their hobby time and getting the cheap tier of residential electrical costs. :)
mircea_popescu: since now all that is being paid for, people get a much better idea of their actual costs.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Avalon customers are getting credit for Icarus trade-in and .. the other one. Lancelot.
Bowjob: Trade in Avalon 1 for something else
Bowjob: oh well.. decades from now, it will be a collector's item
midnightmagic: "This thing made a whole bunch of money and then suddenly became completely useless!"
Bowjob: "It produced 7 BTC in its heyday"
midnightmagic: "What is it?" "Don't know, every time we plug it in it keeps trying to connect to a weird IP address and port.."
midnightmagic: I'll tell you one thing. I am *SO* looking forward to the near-future day when I can shut all my g-d miners right the hell off.
Bowjob: are you moving to LTC?
midnightmagic: I mean my GPU and FPGA. I've been itching to do some FPGA development for some time now.
midnightmagic: I don't even bother RMA'ing my GPU anymore. Total waste of time.
Bowjob: Is it viable to live off of BTC
Bowjob: It seems a crazy idea to me.. that might just work
Chaang-Noi: i was told he has 60,000 btc locked in his offline never spend coins
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midnightmagic: He reported having 60,000 bitcoind not in his never-spend, but in his "don't sell right now" 20% holdback from mining profits.
midnightmagic: That was before he mined for another bunch of months and then started selling his designs to unknown third parties.
midnightmagic: mrb_ came in one time and started talking about something he'd heard existed: a preimage-like attack on the hashing algo which allowed a 2x speedup algorithmically, to any miner implementing it.
midnightmagic: it would be awesome because FPGA would kill asic then.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00549999 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.0055 = 3.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65923 / 0.9 (449 shares, 296 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: i expect this weeks or next weeks dividend to be awesome, and thus make more demand
BitHub: whens teh next one due?
zefir: Goat, people seem to expect ASICMINER to continue paying 2 cents dividends per week for a year, which is a bit of too much confidence imho
Chaang-Noi: zefir i think they can hold on average 10% of the network for 2 years
zefir: if they could, 0.9 is fair. still speculative
Chaang-Noi: and honestly bfl is 1.5 months away at best i think, if we get to 12 th and then 60 th, we will be killing it:)
BitHub: crazy to pay those prices for asicminer
zefir: not right, my BFLS are the most stable mining devices i had so far
Chaang-Noi: if bfl did fail on the chips it would be awesome for asicminer, we would have 50% not 10% of the network
BitHub: is there going to be a new primeasic thing?
zefir: expect there to be more competitors than BFL in July
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi about one third asicminer, one third avalon, one third old network + others
mircea_popescu: the actual asic producer has not yet been born i would guess.
Chaang-Noi: even if bfl does ship, first batch is only 25 th right? avalon is less?
mircea_popescu: avalon has about 10-20th being delivered atm and making another what, 20-50
zefir: 0.9 is tempting for a quick buck i must say. but if bitcoin as a whole takes of (like is currently doing) long term, holding some asicminer could be your retirement ;)
mircea_popescu: asicminer has a 10ish being delivered and making another 20-50
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 0.9 = 18.9 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah zefir, i bought back much of what i sold around .5 to .6
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.975 = 19.5 BTC [+]
zefir: Goat, you're in the board again?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1 = 25 BTC [+]
zefir: i have the remaining shares for you. 1BTC each ;)
BitHub: anyone want to buy 50 for 2btc?
Chaang-Noi: zefir that was my shares that just got sold at 1 btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.0057 = 2.85 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i think we could go higher, but i can part with 25 :)
BitHub: let me know when it gets to 1.5 or 2 - i'm out then.
zefir: Goat, how much coins do i need in hand to retire in Thailand?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.21735385 = 217.3539 BTC [-]
Bowjob: we're about to ram $45 per coin
Chaang-Noi: zefir i have a wife and a kid, very nice house, and everything, i live very well here on $15,000 a year
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19526866 = 195.2687 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: if you did $30k a year you would really live it up
Bowjob: $15,000.. thats what I earned 2 years ago as a cashier
zefir: ok, so like 10k coins and i'm done. that is 1.5BTC per ASICMINER and you see me there ;)
Bowjob: so around 4 bitcoins then
BitHub: i might do the same and go to phils
Bowjob: thats what i spend on a nice meal in vancouver
Bowjob: woudlnt it be grand if i make money here
zefir: this is too easy, there must be some hook in there
Chaang-Noi: my 3 bed room house with garden and all that is only $160 a month rent
Bowjob: then spend it in some 3rd world country
Bowjob: why dont u just buy it
BitHub: that's what i would do if i was bored
BitHub: then you cant get that bored
BitHub: you just dont know how to have fun with your money
toffoo: how did you retire the first time?
zefir: Goat, it can't be that easy. but well, my problem is my wife will not follow to Thailand, so i'm out for now :(
BitHub: you can get about 10 wives in thailand
Chaang-Noi: ahh zefir i got a thai wife, thats the smart way to do it:)
zefir: maybe, but not the one wife you get used to ;)
BitHub: doesn't that get boring?
BitHub: like watching the same movie over and over and over again every day?
zefir: you mean the only one wife?
Chaang-Noi: bithub is right, you can have more than one here, in thai they even have words for ranking them
BitHub: if i send you some btc
zefir: no, can't complain. it is a give and take - she also has to watch the same tv show
BitHub: can you jsut buy thai women for me and put them all in a house?
toffoo: well i imagine you'll retire a second time from mpex someday soon,
Chaang-Noi: in thailand you can only rent thai women, however you can buy women from outher countries
mircea_popescu: zefir BitHub i guess there's about 20 years keeping you apart.
toffoo: just curious how you did it the first time .. before bitcoin
BitHub: how old are you mate? :)
mircea_popescu: toffoo i sold everythign and went to costa rica, basically.
BitHub: heh i heard that's the best place to setup a company
BitHub: is that why you went to costa?
mircea_popescu: well eventually you have enough of playing poker with aging american expats
mircea_popescu: the rum was good, the aguacate nice, the mango fantastic an so on
toffoo: missing the good life back in romania?
BitHub: because you cant cash out a million dollars worth of btc?
BitHub: i'm bored but i'm poor
mircea_popescu: cause how bored you are depends on what you're doing not on how rich you are.
BitHub: its all about the numbers baby
BitHub: if you're rich and bored you don't deserve to have money
mircea_popescu: there's only so much flan a person can eat, to quote one of the recent billionaires.
BitHub: well first step i would look at all the people in my life, family and really close friends and solve all their money problems
mircea_popescu: within a coupla years they'll have worse money problems.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason they have them now, and that reason ain't the aliens.
BitHub: that's true, good thing i've got no friends so i would just help my family
BitHub: i'm pretty sure i would be dead within a month, i would just go to psycho with the money
BitHub: driving pass people throwing wads of cash at them
mircea_popescu: ya well, that's the thing. takes a lot of brains to be rich and bored in the end.
mircea_popescu: most dumbasses that win the lottery end up dead / in jail / poor again
BitHub: i guess its boring when you're not just burning through it without caring
BitHub: that's when its really fun
mircea_popescu: no, that's when it's really obvious how empty/pointless/mindless you really are.
BitHub: not really, sometimes just dont care
BitHub: um what else, probably hire 100 social media trolls and have them in a office and just kick back and watch them troll certain celebs or public figures
BitHub: actually mircea i would just be making movies
BitHub: that would be really fun to me
BitHub: ahh okey hmm retirement lets see, all you can do is just travel the world hey getting into adventures, meeting random girls
BitHub: definitly got to check out alot more countries in my time :)
BitHub: how old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
Bowjob: mentlegen, we hit $45 once again
Bowjob: now where is that troll who said btc top was $24 dollars
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.29000, Best ask: 45.46212, Bid-ask spread: 0.17212, Last trade: 45.46212, 24 hour volume: 42365.65870584, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.84294
BitHub: nice i want to see 50 after weekend tho
Bowjob: i just a fucking house in vancouver
Bowjob: i thought that was the whole point of life in vancouver. be the landowner master race
Bowjob: so that you can charge rent on the basement, get the basement to pay for the mortgage
Bowjob: thats the canadian dream
Bowjob: everyone here is crazy about houses
Bowjob: my uncle owns 3, he gets about 8k a month on his houses
Bowjob: i didnt tell him about bitcoins.. hes too rich already
Anduck: (make him buy like, 200k usd worth of btc?"
Anduck: then slowwly sell it back and make negative profit
Bowjob: nah, hes a batshit religious person.. conservative
Bowjob: he wont touch btc anyway
Bowjob: i feel bad for his kid
Bowjob: his kid is like 18 now, cant go out
Anduck: what does that have to do with bitcoin?
Anduck: if he's religious batshit person
Anduck: he might still like btc xD
Anduck: batshit is a nice term, +1
Anduck: well tell his kid about it
Bowjob: when we arrived in canada
Bowjob: .. he gave us free rent
Bowjob: when we told him, we're not converting to your religion
Bowjob: he started charging us rent
Anduck: i would've laugh at him
Bowjob: its not really him tho
Anduck: whats his religion btc
Bowjob: protestant or something
Bowjob: thinks everyone will go to hell
Bowjob: protestant.. its like a branch of christianity
Bowjob: kinda like how catholic is bitcoin, then a protestant would be a fork of it
Bowjob: nah. hes not that batshit
Anduck: in finland there's 2 places where they recruit for that thing
Anduck: so, me and my friend once went there
Bowjob: theres one in vancouver too
Bowjob: not going in there. lol
Anduck: made some kind of test
Anduck: then they wanted us to be in separate rooms
Anduck: so they could turn ur individually to the scientology
Anduck: well, we ain't stupid so.. xD
Bowjob: they killed this chick
Anduck: didnt take much time to see they're scientologists
Anduck: btw, we went to that scientology recruiment place cuz we were handed a note in the city
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Damn, and to think I thought I was gonna send him some BTC
Bowjob: I cleared a land mine. heh
Bowjob: He said he should have no problem paying unless BTC hits $40/BTC
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50 Short 40,000 S.DICE @ .0062 Cover date: May 17 2013 | Before 12Noon MST"
Bowjob: According to Ian's signature
Bowjob: he's gonna have a bad time
Bowjob: "I should have no problem repaying this as long as BTC stays bellow $41.66 ... if it goes above we would need to work something out for a bit more time to repay."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.86278, Best ask: 45.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03722, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 45521.41888267, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.90000, 24 hour vwap: 43.97923
Bowjob: I lent some $100 worth of BTC back in january for 3 weeks
Bowjob: that was some agonizing days
Bowjob: I didn't know if the guy was a scammer or not
Bowjob: .. i am not willing to put myself through that again
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90144085 = 901.4409 BTC [-]
Bowjob: lending out to someone with btc is similar to gambling imo
Bowjob: just put it thru dice, at least its faster
Bowjob: I told an acquiantance about BTC when they were 17 dollars, they were on the fence about it. They wanted to buy at 28 dollars, but got scared when the price dropped to $20
Bowjob: now that its $45.. they want to buy again
Bowjob: but never follow through
Bowjob: I told him hey, I think BTC will go up. I've put a bit of fiat in it to show my conviction
Bowjob: if BTC goes up, they say.. it's a fucking bubble! if BTC goes down.. "It's dying/fad/crash"
Bowjob: I told him I'll sell him $100 worth for 2 BTC. They wanted 5. They could have gotten 5+ from me back in Jan
Bowjob: I'm looking forward to the day that that guy still hasn't bought a coin where BTC reaches $1000
Bowjob: I'll be like, yeah I'll sell you $500 worth for 0.5 BTC, just remember it could go down, ect
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90009169 = 900.0917 BTC [-]
Bowjob: it sucked for me canadianbitcoins sold at $55 dollars when BTC dropped to $33
Bowjob: I would have dumped more fiat into it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 0.89918038 = 337.1926 BTC [-]
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
assbot: Your actions are useless.
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 46.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.50000, Best ask: 46.53000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 46.53000, 24 hour volume: 47202.58375913, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.53000, 24 hour vwap: 44.11301
gribble: There are currently 26201.882 bitcoins offered at or under 49.1 USD, worth 1266194.78506 USD in total. | Data vintage: 36.3364 seconds
Bowjob: check the price real time at coinlab
Chaang-Noi: i guess we are going to keep on trucking up
Bowjob: imo just drive the price up and dont sell
Bowjob: use BTC for transactions
Bowjob: .. that ends up being win win
Bowjob: as opposed to lose lose
Bowjob: where the seller gets fiat and the BTC value goes down
Bowjob: we're about to break 47
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.64600, Best ask: 46.74600, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 46.64600, 24 hour volume: 48033.54388684, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.16232
gribble: There are currently 1303.7427 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 61254.5594943 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
Bowjob: mhm, i see lots of resistance before 50
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.22 = 2.2 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Id stay breaking $32 barrier was epic!
Anduck: it's funny mp has rated gigavps -10 and pirateat40 -1
Anduck: so huh, whats worse, running a ponzi or pt to ponzi?
Bowjob: and the dump continues
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.27000, Best ask: 45.28000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 45.26000, 24 hour volume: 49103.52015343, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.22567
mircea_popescu: and then didn't want to update the rating out of vanity
Bowjob: coinlab should update their logo with the recent correction
kakobrekla: 21:28.00 ( MJR_ ) Mp still having trouble?
kakobrekla: 21:28.10 ( kakobrekla ) half way, see topic
kakobrekla: 21:28.27 .•• mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: this is actually fully functional, if a little inconvenient still
MJR_: Noticed S.DICE rebounded a little bit
kakobrekla: 21:22.48 ( kakobrekla ) "Only Satoshi the Bitcoin Cyber-Christ is going to save us." -Max Keiser
MJR_: Was wondering about an mpex.onion
MJR_: I think that guy is on meth before every show
MJR_: Yeah I was worried about that
Namworld: How do I encrypt with MPEx's public key?
MJR_: I am trying out a new irc client
Namworld: Ah, thanks. I keep forgetting how to write the command.
Namworld: I can't seem to find a good website that lists commands and common operations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00067638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
Anduck: mircea_popescu: porn not allowed on blog
mircea_popescu: 1. price collapse pre dividends ; 2. short rebound post dividends ; further rebound while mpex is beinh ddosed
mircea_popescu: if this is not contrary to what you'd expect i dunno what is
Anduck: it's the will of internet gods
MJR_: Lol, I thought we were the Internet gods
Anduck: LOL guys been trolled again
Anduck: srs, no. you cant hang out with them.
Anduck: dunno bout' dem goddesses
MJR_: mircea_popescu: Can you see the symbol between the quotes? "⚡"
MJR_: Was not sure if other symbols would be able to be seen
MJR_: I suppose it depends on the client
dub: hmm, could be my new truck
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell vampirebb the mpex inbound address will be linked to most mpex withdrawals. a user can withdraw to an arbitrary address of his choice.
mircea_popescu: jborkl you're doing something wrong because people have been trading ok on this system
jborkl: I am on my phone trying to get android to work
mircea_popescu: are you cleanly doing your encoding ? is your key correct ? (siometimes gpg defaults to wrong key, use a ! at the end of your keyid to force)
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: is the mpex FAQ somewhere available in a pastie or can it be included in an mpex client?
mircea_popescu: if you wish to include a local copy in a bundle you distribute, such as a client or anything
mircea_popescu: i want you to commit that all new versions will include a faq current at the time of their release.
MJR_: It should be complete as well
FabianB_: ok, in case i release my client to the public i'll include it in all releases; in case i don't maintain it anymore i'll make a release with FAQ removed with just a link to then current mpex site
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ if you don't maintain it anymore you're not in breach.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is to not ship client august 11th with faq from june 3rd
MJR_: If you neglect to keep the smoky dragon award
FabianB_: ok, that won't be a problem then
FabianB_: heh, yeah, just thought of the english one
FabianB_: dunno if i like to include chinese and persian as long as the clients documentation itself is just english
MJR_: Hmmm I think I am going to enter the WOT today
mircea_popescu: If we get the 60TH/s online (conservative) in late April, and the hashrate of the full network from that time is 200TH/s which linearly increases to 1,000TH/s in late December. (200+1000)/2 = 600. So we will have 10% in average of the full network from late April to late December. That translates to about 88,000 Bitcoins total mined. That is 0.22BTC/share of gross income in eight months.
mircea_popescu: so where's the "you get your money back in 8 months therefore asicminer is worth like .15" talk ?
MJR_: What do you think it's worth?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: that has no bearing however, idiots are in full mania mode, so,
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
MJR_: yeah, I think understanding net present value may be beyond some members of the bitcoin community
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90043 / 1 (167 shares, 150.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the fact that the bitcoindiots are reduced to < 1k btc disposable income is indeed good news.
mircea_popescu: one year ago this would have been two degrees of magnitude larger if not more.
jborkl: Mircea, are the orders formatted the same in!mp
mircea_popescu: you makr you order, you sign it, then you encrypt it, then you paste that
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
mircea_popescu: basically, it should take the provided string, see how many of the available mpsics regex-match it
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking about this, would it be possible to have a !depth
mircea_popescu: which reports say 6 or 8 items either side from midmarket ?
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
mircea_popescu: otherwise if you're trying to implement somethingthat doesn't work you'll kill yourself
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
jborkl: Let me try it off normal desktop
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
kakobrekla: if($ticker[0] == "P" || $ticker[0] == "C" ){
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
kakobrekla: apparently being bitcoin pr is the new hype thing
kakobrekla: got hit with "the bitcoin catalog", "the bitcoin documentary" and "bitcoin pr buzz" in like one day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.47999, Best ask: 46.54400, Bid-ask spread: 0.06401, Last trade: 46.54400, 24 hour volume: 44070.26922702, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 45.27764
MJR_: also the bitcoin hedge fund
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00568 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yeah but that doesnt have much in common with being a bitcoin PR
mircea_popescu: Our services involve writing a professional Press Release for you and submitting it to anywhere from over 1000 to 30 000 + USA based media organisations
Bowjob: ianbakewell is still not here
Bowjob: this is looking more like a 600 BTC heist
Bowjob: and 30,000 dice share heist
MJR_: yeah, they aren't doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves
MJR_: but they are using their time to do those stupid tasks
MJR_: Attract new customers
MJR_: mostly have your article reposted with a Forbes.com or CNN.com domain attached
MJR_: ok guys I am switching to my real name
Bowjob: Hasn't been online since the 4th
Bowjob: he was due for march 8th for his first payment
Bowjob: there should be some internet at least
Bowjob: he works in alberta,.. yah its like 34 dollars per hour there
Bowjob: mcdonalds people make $14 per hour
Bowjob: but rent there is very exp
Bowjob: ill stay in vancouver lol
Bowjob: also, again he's late in his first payment thats defaulting right there
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50"
Bowjob: oh and thats just principal
Bowjob: dude his dice short isnt much to cover for it
FabianB_: still a little rough, but works for me
Bowjob: around march 22 we should see something interesting
mircea_popescu: seems cablepair was well known scammer ?! is this factual ?
Bowjob: thats where coinlab starts playing
Josh_Rossi: do you calculate based on last or on bid?
FabianB_: didn't try it on non-unix systems yet, hope it works there too though
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: and cause of slippage buying 40k takes avg price more to like 59.5
Josh_Rossi: ooh, when does he have to settle his position?
Bowjob: I weep for Basic victims
Bowjob: but I laugh at BFL victims.. I seem to be irrational
Bowjob: Stockholm syndrome is hilarious
Bowjob: it was tradefortress for 7k, and some random dude at 30k
Bowjob: i just skimmed thru it, asic miner, popped?
Bowjob: im watching max keiser.. show. he seems like a nutjob over btc
Bowjob: i mean i want btc to go as much as the next person, but he seems shady
kakobrekla: he mentioned before, but now he met everwhores
Bowjob: i dunno. max seems like a used car salesman
Bowjob: and a snake oil peddler
Josh_Rossi: I said earlier that he sounds like he's on meth
smickles: bitcoin jesus? i'll just go back in my hole
Josh_Rossi: also, he loves btc, but I don't think he knows a lot about them
Bowjob: i tell my friends every now and then about bitcoin.. but i dont say i'll be rich over it
smickles: once, at a beer pong table, I was called jesus. I forgave them.
mjr_: lol my whole office asks me every day
mjr_: so where are they at today?
mjr_: a coworker wanted to short them
Bowjob: how much are asicminer shares now
mjr_: so at first he told me that we should just say that i would owe him a dollar for every dollar it goes down and he would owe me a dollar for every dollar it goes up
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90177 / 1 (166 shares, 149.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mjr_: I was too nice and told him I didn't want him writing naked calls
Bowjob: so almost 1 btc [er share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
Bowjob: isnt that kinda too high
mjr_: like I know my risk it's $45
mjr_: you could be on the hook for millions
mircea_popescu: mjr_ why not just use the mpex options i don't get it ?!
mjr_: he doesn't have any bitcoins
mjr_: and I already use the mpex options
mjr_: that was before it had hit 32 I think but I don't remember
mircea_popescu: so if he doesn't have btc, why are we talking to huim lol
mjr_: like I said he's my coworker
mjr_: now I want to set up the pgp signature
Namworld: BTC was worth 45 USD all that time, just no one knew about it...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i like how this channel jumped to like 130 users lately.
benkay: what's in the !mp output - a dump of the current order book?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
benkay: "returns the response from MPEX order" - means that i can place orders via dpaste (given encryption etc)?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "mdepth".
mircea_popescu: and if you want details of individual symbols in easier format here, benkay
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3738644 shares, 23,038.26 BTC)
mjr_: ;;gpg eregister JoshRossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mjr_: so now I'm part of the web of trust?
mjr_: I meant ability to be trusted not trusted yet
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not really, just speak very little
Bowjob: so is ian bakewell a scam or not
gribble: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.
jMyles: So - I'm not sure if I'm being too forward by asking this - is there a way to invest in asicminer?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: chinese traders asking you and the faq translater where mpex went?
jMyles: (and to see what kind of activity is happening?)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ no, just wanted to see about how sucky the chiense version is
mircea_popescu: there's a btct passthrough and a bitfunder passthrough.
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.69 / 0.90312 / 1 (165 shares, 149 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
jMyles: mircea_popescu: but it looks like the passthroughs have only paid two dividends?
Bowjob: we've been oddly stable for a while now
Ukto: assbot doesnt support it
Bowjob: the bids look weak however
mjr_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2c057cc8dff074ee13a20df82b057767f81844e56105610c250b4618
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
Bowjob: this is calm before the storm. come monday theres gonna be a shitstorm
Ukto: mircea_popescu: yeah, but its being changed due to request
Ukto: and its low priority
Ukto: whereas websocket is ready
Ukto: i am debating not doing get/post anymore
Ukto: and leaving it purely to websocket
Ukto: to keep load off the server
mircea_popescu: we're going to end up with a third party interpreter here ?
Ukto: get/post is so archaic
Ukto: websockets are far far superior. lets get with the times :)
mircea_popescu: whatever way you do it, it pisses me off when i can't ticker.
mod6: (15:00) < BitOTTer755> $vwap
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
FabianB_: it's still pretty ugly and needs refactoring, but it's there and it works
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, his is Ruby but might come in handy...
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ aren;'t you concerned by the numerous breaches lately ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not at all, all those braches are Rails related
FabianB_: and of course a commandline client doesn't need any web stuff
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ the concern is that some unwittign user may be running a web server on his home computer w/o knowing
mjr_: rape is rarely expected
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not through my code, only if my code (or a library i use) is itself insecure or if that user is integrating it into his lame ror
benkay: i would expect at least one rorbro to do something like that
mircea_popescu: benkay at least it's been publicly mentioned, it's known about etc.
mjrIII: ok now i can try to get this WOT thing working
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: actually it started as a more featureful alternative to pympex for me; used it for a while
FabianB_: i just added the IRC stuff today
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
aethero: what's the latest on mpex?
Josh_Rossi: ;;gpg eregister Josh_Rossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
aethero: Expected ETA for the site itself?
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: aethero there are bots trading here. there will be an onion up, but im not sure tor can take the load.
mircea_popescu: there is a 10gb dedicated connection with muchly beefed up setups coming online asap.
aethero: ever going on clearweb again
mircea_popescu: there have been problems with supplying the hardware and so forth. I think next week is a safe estimate
mircea_popescu: aethero anyway, proving that mpex can work w/o website is an important point here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 720 @ 0.18196843 = 131.0173 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but i would like to add an address to it
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f37b219dbeef705e0d0715acbc922c60d94b6b639c29a17c94779ac
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7752 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
mod6: (16:21) < BitOTTer569> PasteBin Key: C1dT6RrM
mod6: yeah. the old Net::IRC is like uber deprecated
mod6: just changing these scripts to be able to connect to IRC and issue a command, get a response, parse it, then grab the URL or Key parsed, grab the raw data from the paste, and then display.
mod6: haha, i rolled my own
mod6: well, with this lib: POE::Component::IRC
mod6: so that has all of the commands and some subroutines to help with connect and sessions, etc.
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, ima keep working on it for the next few days. hopefully get it to a spot that's pretty functional.
mircea_popescu: mod6 isn't it funny that as you make progress mpex also adds shit ?
mod6: yeah its good though
mod6: ima keep going here. thx guys.
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00547927 / 0.006225 (500573 shares, 2,742.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616216 / 0.0069 (3735257 shares, 23,017.26 BTC)
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5949999 = 1.19 BTC [-]
BitHub: whats the price for asicminer today fokes?
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer-pt
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
BitHub: selling my asicminer shares for 1.8 each
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jcpham: What is asicminer paying per dividend
Josh_Rossi: you can see i have identified as Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: so mjr can identify as Josh_Rossi and for gribble mjr will be Josh_Rossi for as long as mjr doesn't part.
Josh_Rossi: going to be hard to get an ident script working with my phone
Bowjob: eight ball says so lol
Josh_Rossi: so basically how it works is that NickServe and gribble BOTH maintain separate identity for a given user
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Bowjob: ;;eightball is Ian Bakewell a scammer?
Bowjob: We will test eightball's honesty
Bowjob: ;;eightball Did I play with myself lastnight?
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mjr_: well that didn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.18345453 = 183.4545 BTC [+]
mjr_: how am i supposed to decrypt my OTP from my phone...i mean i could write a program that does it, but it is tough
mod6: yeah, i'm re-building all scripts to interact with the bots.
mod6: and mainly what i can make work in this one is gonna go into the end thingy, whatever it becomes
mjr_: hmmm but i thought he was doing it for android
mod6: lol, doing it for that too, but now that's gonna be all f'd up
mjr_: i just meant i have an iphone
jborkl_: Ok, I finally figured it out- key managers are conflicting
mod6: thanks again guys, just needed to make sure that i could ping mpexbot and get the respone and all
mjr_: this is funny though...to me at least
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jborkl_: No, it is not- they are a pain in the ass
mjr_: ok my iphone is at least jailbroken so let's see if we can get gpg :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 316 @ 0.18372792 = 58.058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 38.36519878 / 50.18328999 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 16,402.55 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mjr_: yep, i think that is so far the best leading indicator i've seen
mjr_: so, i have gpg on my iphone now
mjr_: but i really don't want to go back and forth between a terminal window with a touchscreen and colloquy
mod6: ok sorry guys, but after 10 mins the pastebin expires, gotta re-conn and get a fresh one
mod6: im now getting back the raw vwap, just need to make sure that I'm parsing correctly as before...
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074892 / 0.00078628 (10680545 shares, 7,998.94 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (58685013 shares, 40,184.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: in other news, the #bitcoin-assets log for this current month (9 days!) is over 1mb
mod6: mircea_popescu: i just feel bad for the conn/dis-conns
mod6: but check it out ;)
mod6: ok one more quick test, i'll check a different MPSIC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ddos is one of the better things that happened to mpex so far
mod6: ok i cleaned that up, now i gotta do one more test then i can check it into github for yall
Bowjob: What do you guys think of google glasses
mod6: (just vwap is finished for now, will finish others over next few days...)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.54224, Best ask: 47.89850, Bid-ask spread: 0.35626, Last trade: 47.89858, 24 hour volume: 46494.02049522, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.71103
mjr_: i know, i was hoping for a dip
mircea_popescu: where's the coinlab pr spam with "mpex indomitable, btc surges"
mod6: anyway, im ciked that was so simple. can't do more must find a cold pizza to eat somewherez!
mjr_: just realized that now mpex is only for mpex registered people...
mjr_: from market data perspective i mean
mjr_: do the other commands not come encrypted?
mjr_: hold on i am gonna try it out
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00074997 = 1.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27999 @ 0.00074998 = 20.9987 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what commands are available for the mpexbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00074999 = 29.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19317 @ 0.00075 = 14.4878 BTC [+]
benkay: what does vwap stand for?
mjr_: volume weighted average price
benkay: volume weighted average..
mircea_popescu: you can also inspect these one at a time with assbot's !ticker
mjr_: lol, was just thinking about back in the days when we were discussing mpex fee being around $450
mjr_: and just realized that it will now be around $1500
mircea_popescu: the usual consumerist "o, i'll just wait" is suicide here.
mjr_: hmmm that is a good point
mjr_: this is a whole new world
Bowjob: I nominate pirateat40 for the documentary
mjr_: typically...if you wait, prices usually fall
mjr_: on most consumable things
mjr_: but in a bitcoin economy, the opposite may be true until you can finally do most of your transactions in bitcoin
benkay: assets denominated in btc just keep increasing in price
mjr_: in which case you would still be paying the same 30 btc you would have before
mircea_popescu: back in april 2012 when it was introduced fee was like, 100 bux irrc
mjr_: oh...i emailed freenode and asked if they would accept bitcoin donations
mjr_: they only take credit card and paypal right now
mjr_: and i mean, it is pretty much exactly what they believe in as far as distributed systems and freedom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
benkay: where did homegirl running MPOE-PR pick up all dat econ?
mircea_popescu: benkay she is ocassionally allowed a quiet seat at the board meetings.
benkay: mircea_popescu: preferred capitalization MPEx or MPEX?
Bowjob: money printing exchange
Bowjob: does it it suck for people with bad calls and puts
mpexbot: benkay: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
Bowjob: i remember a 500 BTC squeezed out of a poor speculator
Bowjob: from the 26 to 20 dollar flash crash
mircea_popescu: Bowjob end of jan somebody got wiped for like 5k actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Buy and hold, doesnt cost a dime
mircea_popescu: i think the record is that one time when s.dice got sold to like 0.0008
mircea_popescu: we mostly came to the conclusion it must have been a msitake
Bowjob: that was an 80k USD mistake
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm aware of the email and irc channels for posting trades to MPEx, are there others I'm not aware of?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
Bowjob: and of course this being the wild wild west of finance
Bowjob: they cant.. they cant reverse it
mircea_popescu: i had mentioned that if the worst comes to worst we will take it to email,
benkay: thanks for the clarification. is irc then the only channel over which you're accepting transactions?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.95900, Best ask: 47.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29100, Last trade: 47.33203, 24 hour volume: 47013.01597736, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.74036
mircea_popescu: other than that there are private proxies available atm, and the public irc bots.
Bowjob: "I wish I had bought some when they were cheap :(" - On the current events forums of gamefaqs
benkay: is one more robust than the other? do you prefer to receive over irc?
Bowjob: I was telling them about BTC since it was 13 dollars..
mircea_popescu: this is a difficult question tho, robust by what standard ?
benkay: some arbitrary heuristic?
benkay: your team's hunches about these things?
mjr_: yeah i think this is a great system
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0056 = 0.0112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.24110904 = 241.109 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21525757 = 215.2576 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.19052144 = 190.5214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16701309 = 167.0131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14485191 = 144.8519 BTC [-]
mjr_: i managed to import your pub key mircea
mjr_: still getting used to gpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aand we're officially over 200k option contracts traded this month.
mjr_: does anyone know how to type the double barred B
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33318 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 23 @ 0.21 = 4.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.215 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23978602 = 239.786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21402821 = 214.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1893874 = 189.3874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16597581 = 165.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14391278 = 143.9128 BTC [-]
MadSweeney: mpex being dos'd can be ironically considered a milestone ;-)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.53000, Best ask: 47.54224, Bid-ask spread: 0.01224, Last trade: 47.53000, 24 hour volume: 48358.44194382, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.90546
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will BTC rise higher this week?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
Bowjob: Someone offered me 112 BTC for my Avalon
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23956955 = 239.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21382268 = 213.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1891934 = 189.1934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16579394 = 165.7939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14374371 = 143.7437 BTC [-]
Bowjob: MadSweeny do people use BTC in the philippines?
Bowjob: id imagine people earn lik 1.5 BTC for 1 month
Bowjob: whats the average salary there
Bowjob: k, maybe 4 BTC im guessing
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.2390698 = 239.0698 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21335791 = 213.3579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18876427 = 188.7643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16540104 = 165.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.1433876 = 143.3876 BTC [-]
Bowjob: I havent really paid attention..what does it mean
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.68083871 / 49.87693675 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 17,066.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mjr_: cool thats what i was figuring
mjr_: lol i just realized that i had kleopatra installed already and i was doing everything from the command line
mjr_: yeah i figured someone was hedging something with those
benkay: all the way down to 47...
mircea_popescu: if coinlab etc had a clue they could actually insure their coins
mircea_popescu: so they could deliver to customers rather than cancel orders
Bowjob: put options.. meaning they expect btc prices to go down.. to 47?
mircea_popescu: person is basically saying "btc will stay over 50 the entire month, and maybe even over 55"
mircea_popescu: you can tell cause the bids were taken out not the asks
mjr_: no selling a put = buying a call
mjr_: if you are "short" a put
mjr_: it is a bullish move
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.595 = 5.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.599 = 1.198 BTC [+]
mjr_: so if you think something is going up you can sell puts and collect premiums and buy calls as well
Bowjob: nice recovery on havelock
Bowjob: i sold at 0.75, lets see what happens
mjr_: some people sell puts in order to buy calls (lowers their cost)
Bowjob: They should have taught me this in hs
Bowjob: but if they taught me about this in hs, there wont be time for shakespear
mjr_: shit they should teach people what a debit and a credit is
mjr_: i was actually thinking about trying to create a web based class
mjr_: like kahn academy or something about finance
Bowjob: thankfully, unlike most of my 20 year old contemporaries, I had this fine idea of saving more than i've been spending
mjr_: that is a smart idea
benkay: the whole education stack needs to be online
Bowjob: and i put it in bitcoins
mjr_: but not when you have rampant inflation
Bowjob: before they blew up from 13 dollars
mjr_: so in your case smart
Bowjob: and i did put in what i can lose and just write off
benkay: don't fixate on short term
BitHub: selling asicminer shares 1.8 each get at me
benkay: do you want to do the trading thing?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: what is the capital requirement for someone to sell the amount of puts we just saw
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm, lets just say i'm "interested" not sure yet
Bowjob: i'm an owl for now. just observing
benkay: what kind of work do you do?
mod6: sorry about the in and out, but it works better now, does both depth and vwap -- its all in one code file now too.
mod6: depth output successful
kakobrekla: is that in and out going to be a casual thing ?
mod6: na, i need to figure out how to msg the bot directly :/
mod6: heh, this doesn't work quite like that
kakobrekla: ya but if we have 10 people using the script and all joining and parting
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.52311, Best ask: 47.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37689, Last trade: 47.92886, 24 hour volume: 49410.60996836, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.95456
mjr_: so, that guy just collected 948 bitcoins
mjr_: whoever sold those puts
mjr_: the bot bought them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
mjr_: what's the equation for collateral?
gribble: There are currently 3929.1374 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 188482.186888 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
gribble: There are currently 33194.542 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1619455.56147 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.2957 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it si trhe weekend and we are trucking on up.... crazy
mjr_: s.dice is back up too
Chaang-Noi: o kinda wan t to just walk away from btc land for a month come back and see what is going on...
mjr_: i am actually trying to mine litecoin
mjr_: not because i particularly like them
mjr_: but because i can send them to btc-e
Chaang-Noi: many many gpu miners will mine and support ltc now asics
dub: does cpu mining still work for ltc?
mjr_: lol it hasn't worked for me
Bowjob: Stupid move on my part, I sold 10k LTC
Chaang-Noi: it works but like cpu mining in btc dont do it:)
Bowjob: maybe I should buy back
mjr_: well...if you move them to btc-e
mjr_: you can get access to better prices
mjr_: i just don't like the other funding options
mjr_: to clarify: i meant you could end up with more bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23838313 = 238.3831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21271752 = 212.7175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18817119 = 188.1712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16485623 = 164.8562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14289205 = 142.8921 BTC [-]
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
pizzaman1337: every time the bot puts up more blocks they're taken out
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i have to imagine that your bot buys them as part of a hedging strategy
Namworld: Who's selling that amount of puts...
mod6: sorry guys, just a few more tests..
mjr_: no worries...to be honest, i think you can just turn off showing joins and parts
mjr_: i know you can in colloquy, but not sure about MIRC
kakobrekla: but thats like turning off 1 satoshi txes
mjr_: no i didn't mean you
pizzaman1337: in order for that person to "cash out" they need to buy puts back, right?
mjr_: i meant you can send them, but i can not display them
pizzaman1337: and what exactly happens when they autoexercise?
mjr_: do they always autoexercise?
mjr_: thought they would only do that if they are in the money
mjr_: they probably will just expire worthless
pizzaman1337: but if they expire worthless, than means they made pure profit because they don't have to buy back worthless options?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ well, if they're not in the money they just dissapear
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to like 55 and stays htere, all the btc he got selling he keeps
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to 40, he's on the hook for the difference
pizzaman1337: what if the diff is greater than the amount of money he has?
mjr_: you technically expose yourself to unlimited liability when you write options (at least calls)
mjr_: but usually you have to have something to back against the most likely scenario
mjr_: thats why i was wondering the specific collateral requirements
Namworld: With a call, you need to put up 1 BTC collateral so it's always 100% covered
mjr_: it varies doesn't it?
Namworld: For calls, their value tends toward 1. For puts tho, their value tends toward the infinite.
mjr_: hmmm yes when writing them
Namworld: For example, if price becomes 1/1000 of the put's strike, the put would be worth 1000 BTC
Namworld: If it goes to a lower fraction, even more.
mjr_: my point is that since you COULD be on the hook for millions of bitcoins
mjr_: how many are required
Namworld: They're not fully covered. It would require infinite BTC.
mjr_: but what is the capital requirement
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 it can't be, cause he deposits collateral
Namworld: It varies depending on strike and current rate/BTC
mircea_popescu: Namworld they are fully covered, since you do put up enough btc to cover for the put in usd atthe time you write it
mjr_: just for example...let's say the vwap hits $100
mjr_: and you sold puts at $50
mjr_: wait reverse that lol
gribble: Error: "48.5" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 17873.054 bitcoins offered at or under 48.5 USD, worth 863731.319966 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.7354 seconds
kakobrekla: maybe from the sam guy who sold the puts
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I think I understand it all, thanks. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.
mjr_: so anyway, let's say the vwap is 50 and you sell puts at 50, the price drops to 25
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: but wouldln't that person want the price to increase?
kakobrekla: yes pizzaman1337, 04:37.38 ( kakobrekla ) now to be removed
mjr_: each contract would be liable for 2 bitcoins right?
Namworld: AActually in my example earlier, I think it should have been 999 BTC
Namworld: you get your fraction with x and remove 1 to that.
Namworld: Since at strike value, the put has 0 value.
mjr_: my point is just this...if you sold the put, and the price goes up 10x
Namworld: put is worth 0 so 0 collateral is eaten.
mjr_: but if it drops to 0
mjr_: i think i see what mircea was saying
Namworld: So you must pay an infinity of worthless BTC...
jborkl: you can only write covered options, no naked
pizzaman1337: "You don't hold enough assets to trade even one single unit of that MPSIC. Sad, sad, sad." < lulz
mircea_popescu: fortunately because btc is small and fiart is large it is kinda trivial for me to insure against that
mircea_popescu: so if btc goes to zero outstanding puts just get setrtled in fiat
mircea_popescu: anyway if btc is zero nobody would want to be settled in btc
Namworld: except you pay infinity x 0 USD per BTC...
mjr_: i am going to do some exploring on a pairs strategy
Namworld: if the price is 0.01 and strike is 1, you pay 99 BTC at 0.01 cent each...
Namworld: The lower the price goes, the more you owe. But the less the BTC costs to cover those larger BTC amounts.
mjr_: although that is true...
mjr_: technically if you need btc in order to unwind your position
mjr_: and have to buy it on the open market
mjr_: someone would have to sell it
mjr_: and if you are obligated to buy a lot
mjr_: you could be pushing the price up
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mjr_: i was going to say that the other possibility is that you can cover the position very easily with another option
mjr_: if you sell one call for every put
mjr_: i meant buy a call for each put sold
mod6: hmm, ok well anyway, it works, kinda.
mod6: needs more work, but gotta run for now lol
mjr_: i was just looking at the last one, really great job mod6
bgupta: Hey is it ontopic to discuss pricing of bitcoin denominates securities in this channel?
bgupta: mostly wondering about ASICMINER share and their passthrough derivates.
mjr_: lol its all we talk about really
mjr_: bitcoin is finance porn
benkay: bitcoin is disruptive tech porn
mjr_: mod6: no prob, it is really really cool
mod6: right on heheh. its awesome just to see it work, kinda lol
mjr_: whats interesting is that we are sending our GET requests via irc
mjr_: and retrieving a dynamic web page at a different address
mjr_: i think that is really cool
mod6: oh, so the bummer so far is... i maybe shouldn't have done a commit in there and had left those files to be still able to interface with mpex or a proxy in a way thats outward facing... if that ever happens again
mod6: cause with that, it was still tor capable
mod6: so i'll probably just re-introduce those files if/when that happens so tor may be utililzed
bgupta: so back when btw rallied from zero to about 10 it caught my attention… and I made a decision to invest in gnu mining gear. by the time I got my gear up and running it had spiked up to to 30+ and then crashed… I ran my rigs at a loss for almost a year, but when the algorithm changed, I decided that investing the wrk to reprogram them was a loser and shut it all down.. I managed to hang onto a minuscule 500 b
mjr_: i kinda thought that maybe you could host the website on tor with no order functionality
mod6: anyway, just thought yall should know what was happening.
bgupta: held it fallow for the past year or so… but the recent spike in price got me wondering if spinning up made sense (I decided no since the a sic stuff is imminent)
mod6: mjr_: that is pretty neat-o huh :)
mjr_: do you get cheap electricity bgupta?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: also i can host a mirror if you like...it will be pretty tough for them to take out a GAE instance
mod6: ok, i'll reintroduce those files with needed changes as that approches. that'll be awesome
bgupta: In the past no, unfortunately…. now… I have a partner willing to pay electricity if I provide hardware and we split proceeds 50/50.. I think it's a loser for him though.. mircea_popescu yes sorry not reading what I am typing..
mod6: i have basically only accessed mpex over tor since you moved it all over to that early last year
mod6: its always been fast for me
mircea_popescu: if by hardware you mean gpus bgupta it's a loser for him. and prolly for you too.
mjr_: well...not really for him, if he alrady has the hardware
bgupta: well… they are paid for… so not really
mjr_: he will just get to keep half of the small number of bitcoins he gets
bgupta: the loss will be a day of my time figuring out how to setup the softare
mod6: any amt of satoshi will be signifigant eventually
mjr_: i thought you already had it running?
mjr_: i am debating installing visual studio 2012 on my home computer
bgupta: I had it running was paying way to much for hosting in a real datacenter.. so shut it down last april when they changed the algorithm,,
mjr_: what do you mean changed the algorithm?
mjr_: if you mean when the pay rate halved
bgupta: mmm… existing miners had to upgrade the software..
bgupta: let me see if i can find the deets
bgupta: yeah bitcoind changed… and all pools and miners had to upgrade
bgupta: my pool at the time didn't upgrade and shutdown.. and since I was losing close to 50% at the time (due to the ridiculously low price of btw at the time) I followed them
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
bgupta: I probably mined close to 10k coins while I had my rigs up.. but only managed to walk away with 500 btw after all was said and done..
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732757 shares, 23,001.76 BTC)
bgupta: don'w know why I keep doing the same type
Bowjob: mhm. what will happen to SR when mt gox stops their service to NA
bgupta: Guessing NA is north america?
Chaang-Noi: anyone here selling off some of their btc and buying something crazy? or are we all just holing untill $1000 plus?
dub: Chaang-Noi: im thinking about turnign some asicminer into a truck
bgupta: I am willing to sell my premium domain for 4000 btc..
Bowjob: it better start with mt. and and with gox
Chaang-Noi: dub i did that already, traded my car in and got a truck
bgupta: If it was USD I'd want a bit more, but it is a digital only transaction, so I'm willing to do it for a little less
bgupta: unfortunately the folks that would be interested don't deal in btc
bgupta: Quick question in the flow… Are BitFunder, btct.co and apex the main securities exchanges ATM?
bgupta: $0… registered it before they charged for registering domains..
bgupta: been paying whatever a year for the standard domain registration..
Chaang-Noi: im sure its a good name but you are going to have to hit the right people to get that much out of it
bgupta: well I had it appraised for $250,000.. but to sell it, i'd need to put a lot of time into adverttising, and likely need to retain a domain broker.. and then take a huge hit on taxes..
bgupta: realistically if I tried I could probably pocket close to $200,000
bgupta: It's the most valuable thing I own, and it goes up about 7% a year in value
bgupta: (Well other than my apt)
mjr_: my friend who owns an it consulting company said that that is his biggest regret
mircea_popescu: and wth, it boggles that anyone'd pay 200k for a domain.
bgupta: well not an individual for sure..
bgupta: think startup or large company
mjr_: 200k is not much for a big company
bgupta: they don't even allow people to register two letter domains any more.
mjr_: i meant as part of a budget involving web presence
bgupta: memorable domains are getting harder to come by...
mjr_: that is a scarce resource
mjr_: when i was looking into getting a domain name for my site
benkay: ad buys are made by advertisers
benkay: they don't think like that
mjr_: it is hard to get a one word domain
mircea_popescu: no "memorable domain" has a site worth anything on it.
mjr_: and getting those domains
benkay: coca cola's ad company isn't smart enough for that shit
Chaang-Noi: i hold tygrr.com and bitcoins.lc not really worth a whole lot.
benkay: they're herd followers
mjr_: i got btcshares.com
mircea_popescu: did any of the large btc players bother with it ? nope.
mjr_: bitcoins are still very new
mjr_: i bet that domain will be very valuable in the future
mircea_popescu: there's people in btc that can afford 200k for a domain.
mircea_popescu: i bet it will be very valuable in the sense 10 bucks are very valuable.
benkay: their capital is best put to work in profitable ventures
bgupta: well we are a bit different in that we use irc and weirdly named forums for most of our info. we seek out knowledge
dub: btc.com is too generic, like dollar.com
dub: you don't want that for a brand
bgupta: yeah the problem with too generic is they aren't trademarkable.
bgupta: which means you can't build a company or a brand around them
dub: sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010
benkay: spend your energy on creating value
dub: insure.com for $16mn
benkay: capture a small fraction
benkay: don't wager with your life work
mjr_: typically we think of being creative
dub: man up and use it for a shock site tbh
bgupta: yeah.. I've been holding it, because one day when I do a startup, I want a unique domain name to do it with.
mjr_: but that is way harder for some people than just throwing money at stuff
benkay: that domain's taking up too much of your brainspace
mjr_: i am just saying that domains are valuable, cuz people want them
benkay: if you're wasting cycles on thinking about domains
mircea_popescu: <dub> sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010 << and it never generated 1mn of revenue in its entire lifetime
benkay: you're not going to be successful in running your own business
mircea_popescu: i am aware the domain name scam people are really working hard to make their coolaid credible
benkay: not in a high-competition, high-growth, environment
mjr_: benkay: that is the point, most people do not want to own their own business
mircea_popescu: but a ny times blog hit is nothing in this discussion.
benkay: i get it man, i get it
bgupta: The reality is google kinda made domain names less relevant.. that and the fact that browsers changed how they deal with stuff you type into the address bar.
benkay: doesn't mean i don't think that putting it all on a specific slot on the fucking roulette table is a good idea
dub: yeah for most people google is the address bar
benkay: i infrequently type domains
mircea_popescu: the way to go is just invent a name and use that as your tm and domains
dub: yep, and remember bookmarks? lol
bgupta: point is that if I worked really hard I could sell it for $200,000, or if I worked even harder, I could build a kick ass business with a cool domain name that's easy to type.. I have time for neither atm.
benkay: ca <arrow down> <arrow down> <enter>
benkay: aren't there things you'd enjoy working on more?
bgupta: if someone flush with btw wanted to take it off my hands I'd be cool.. but that's a side bar..
benkay: it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for
bgupta: Yeah sure.. I run a LUG.. which I LOVE.
dub: its probably worht throwing a thread up about it
bgupta: I do OSS stuff, love that too
benkay: what's your profit center?
dub: the great thing about bitcoin is there is no shortage of idiots, some with too much money
benkay: true of any market of a reasonable size
mjr_: dub: yep, the market fixes that situation
bgupta: I do consulting which is a brutal business.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for << this.
bgupta: mmm.. to make a dollar you need to sell a body, brutal.. no real leverage, no real product.
dub: tis potentially a nice way for someone to cash out $200k of btc too
benkay: mircea_popescu: the best part is that everything i get checks for, i also learn new skills that multiply my rate
bgupta: dub what forum would I post it to if I wanted to pursue?
dub: bgupta: the bitcointalk market or auction forums
bgupta: benkay: I run a small consulting company.. it's not just me… so most of my time is spent doing business stuff not learning
benkay: i've seen that happen man
benkay: i've never seen someone run the shop and still make commits
Bowjob: stupid parents took my piano away
mircea_popescu: "Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation,"
bgupta: The one thing I do like about it is the flexibility...
benkay: i get to bill anywhere i am
benkay: boss-folks like to see my face from time to time
bgupta: I get to pick my priorities..
benkay: but it's part of my mystique that i show up at the office kind of randomly
bgupta: been growing my lug and getting some pretty cool speakers..
benkay: what's the appeal in the lug?
dub: benkay: I had that at ibm, nobody (besides customers) had any clue what I did
bgupta: I get to onsite awesome folks to NYC to talk to a bunch of geeks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30215, Best ask: 47.30587, Bid-ask spread: 0.00372, Last trade: 47.30215, 24 hour volume: 50842.40617608, 24 hour low: 43.60001, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.10288
Bowjob: by "crashing" i mean volatility
bgupta: so the real reason I can into this channel was to ask what folks think about ASICMINER shares, and the passthrough variants.
bgupta: I perhaps overshared, and for that I apologize, I;m a bit too open that way.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
the-bucket-shop: I've not looked at numbers for asicminer but I've met people at meet ups that seem to like it alot
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
bgupta: trying to value the shares, as they are starting to climb… faster than I can transfer btc out of mtgox (which is where has been my wallet for the past year.)
bgupta: I set that up ages ago… not sure if it's enabled
gribble: Nick 'bgupta', with hostmask 'bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com', is not identified.
bgupta: thanks for the link will read..
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01398 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'jborkl_', with hostmask 'jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01999 = 0.3598 BTC [+]
bgupta: so one thing I discovered is once the initial asicminer investors have been paid dividends drop by half.. since the real investors own half of the whole thing.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is identified as user jborkl_, with GPG key id 3ABA925F1676E0DA, key fingerprint BEDA499D84B3F11FAC2C98C13ABA925F1676E0DA, and bitcoin address 1assBEfKxpuhv3HdYfQwf9h2TR43DwVke
bgupta: considering initial investors bought shares at ~0.1btc that should happen sooner than later
Bowjob: ... stupid fucking parents taking my piano downstairs
Bowjob: bpjhwsipghsipfghipaefghiaef
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Without asking you to divulge too much roughly what part of the world are you in?
Bowjob: i swear i have rage building right now
bgupta: mircea: Is there a way to buy straight up shares of asicminer, without doing passthrough stuff?
bgupta: err: mircea_popescu ^^
bgupta: what does that mean they "blew a listing"
Bowjob: I feel so violated.. that piano is my personal one
mircea_popescu: think of it in these terms : company pops up, doesn't list on nyse, lists on pink sheets
Bowjob: theres a second piano downstairs that i do not care about
bgupta: SO the muse thing that everyone bitches about the 30btc thing.. that's just a one time thing, no?
bgupta: ok.. that would make trading difficult for me if it was a trading cost.
mircea_popescu: "everyone". hm. it's more of a "everyone that's bitching about it is bitching about it".
dub: bgupta: there are lots of otc asicminer trades happening, check the auction forum
dub: bgupta: friedcat (asicminer guy) is timely about transferring etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, there's a large assignment market in it too, otc.
bgupta: err.. lot me clarify "everything that bitches" means "everyone that bitches about mpex"… I believe that's the biggest complaint. and I'm ok with it…
mircea_popescu: i thought the biggest complaint was that i'm not nice.
bgupta: I am ready to buy sink 300 some odd btw into asicminer.. these penny-ante exchanges aren't quite cutting it.
bgupta: very cool. sorry for being oversharing.
bgupta: (Realising that 300 btw is penny-ante)
bgupta: the sharing of internet complaints..
Bowjob: I'll warn them next time they try to pull this shit again, I will yell at them so that all the guests will hear it.
mircea_popescu: lol that's not a problem, the internet was born to kvetch
bgupta: mircea_popescu: are your trades listed publicly? IE: do I need to buy in to see traffic?
bgupta: fuck it's all a gamble
mircea_popescu: all the earlier excitement about the trading puts for instance
mircea_popescu: twitter.com/mpex1 or you could just follow the twitter.
bgupta: Ohhhh… was gonna ask what these things are..
bgupta: me hates me some derivatives. (unless of course.. I am issuing them)
bgupta: mircea: I am looking for a "stock exchange"
bgupta: json is human readable.. but… I need to whip out cli shit to deal.. one moment.. (I'm slow)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (89317 shares, 66.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074889 / 0.00078628 (10735832 shares, 8,040.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068483 / 0.00078628 (58572634 shares, 40,112.83 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732756 shares, 23,001.75 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
bgupta: gotcha… ok I have to admit, I think the shit futures/options/derivatives are gonna make a number of folks very rich, I wish we could leave all that baggage behind is in the fiat world. We don't need wall street and hedge funds and institutional folks to "help us along"
mircea_popescu: how do you expect btc to work without financial instruments.
mircea_popescu: just because your master stripped you naked and beat you with a whip doesn't mean there's no need for whips in this new state you're making "for freedom".
bgupta: fair enough… they have their utility.
Bowjob: some serious resistance this is
bgupta: meh… guessing price is gonna need to consolidate a bit.. before it can go up again
bgupta: it's had an amazing run… (I think it's not gonna collapse below 20 or so… but that's just me).. I think it has huge potential
bgupta: I've starting thinking about things in btw… not USD… it's hard
bgupta: how do i get post access on bitcointalk??
bgupta: I get "be odd on newbie: but that's %^&ing retarded.
bgupta: ok my typing has suffered tonight as I drank a bottle of manzanilla
bgupta: the-bucket-shop: Like mods are retards x 5? <jk>
the-bucket-shop: no, I would add +1 to each retard mod. multiplying will put you way over
bgupta: ok now have posted two
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
bgupta: although (sidetracked now)… They probably don't
the-bucket-shop: problems in the litecoin community? I don't follow the news there, but would love to hear complaints if any.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC crash?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.34445, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 51372.27442917, 24 hour low: 43.70101, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.15373
bgupta: ltc will go wonky one way or another when all the gnu miners drop out of btw and point at ltc.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC rise in value?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005884 = 2.942 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bgupta, doesn't mining difficulty push coin value up with it?
bgupta: Bowjob.. a big chunk of BTC miners are gonna be mining LTC so...
bgupta: supply and demand is what ultimately drives value
bgupta: demand just deals with one end of that equation.
bgupta: err difficulty just deals with one end of that equation.. and that's supply.
ThickAsThieves: ltc has a use just in that you can play it against btc
ThickAsThieves: as long as people mostly stay focused on 1 alt-coin, it will do well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 49.80381297 / 50.5311083 (no shares, 17,228.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.28030, Best ask: 47.30009, Bid-ask spread: 0.01979, Last trade: 47.30009, 24 hour volume: 38523.58082220, 24 hour low: 44.30000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.52796
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok so : jurov's coinbr has been nuked too, for the 2nd time. working on maximian's idea atm, probably back online soon.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000725 = 0.0718 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 38 @ 0.000725 = 0.0276 BTC [+]
gribble: I have not seen ineedausername.
AndChat567216: It's perhaps discussed already... but why not a MPEX proxy as TOR hidden service?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: AndChat567216 the concern is that may cause trouble to tor.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00194 = 0.0485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.005884 / 0.005884 (500 shares, 2.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00557643 / 0.006225 (387228 shares, 2,159.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3723806 shares, 22,946.81 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: is there someone i can bug to process manual withdrawals from BTCT/LTCglobal
kakobrekla: at this rate you gonna have to update that bitbet proposition soon
ThickAsThieves: wouldve been another 3000 if burnside did use Flintstone withdrawal method
ThickAsThieves: i guess if i had more monitors i could set up some for charts
ThickAsThieves: but still serve about 60 websites and 25 clients as designer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
pigeons: why are there still designers? we have bootstrap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: what kind of design are you looking for? i could dig up relavant samples
Namworld: lol... everybody use basic bootstrap only! A la GLBSE.
Diablo-D3: the newest version of foundation actually looks nice
Diablo-D3: too many flakey devices that get css wrong
Namworld: What? How would it not be worth it?
Namworld: That's not even a good reason.
Diablo-D3: Namworld: if you want your website to look correct on every device ever, yes, it is a good reason
Namworld: The same can be done manually...
Namworld: Plus bootstrap doesn't support everything...
Diablo-D3: bootstrap supports everything worthwhile
Diablo-D3: and supports a lot of older mobile browsers that really should just be tossed in the trash
Diablo-D3: dude, I've written frameworks like bootstrap and foundation before, you haven't
Diablo-D3: its a pain in the fucking ass, and not worth wasting your time on
Diablo-D3: if a team wants to dedicate their shitty little lives to it, let them, it saves me the time of having to hit phones with hammers until they work
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I fucking hate it and I'm seriously considering replacing mine with a static blog
Diablo-D3: do like some git cron job or something
ThickAsThieves: you hate it personally, and/or you think others shouldn't use it?
Diablo-D3: Ive ran a wordpress blog for like 7 or 8 years now
Diablo-D3: it makes me hate php more and more
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: they shouldn't, its a security hazard
Diablo-D3: this is why I run it on an isolated vps
Diablo-D3: just so it can't fuck other shit up
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its easy to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: "wordpress is written in php, php makes it easy for you to write code wrong so hackers can come in and fuck your website up"
Diablo-D3: "because they're assholes, Bob, they're assholes"
Diablo-D3: if you name your kid bob, he will grow up to either be a plumber or an electrician
Diablo-D3: but yeah, storing your blog statically in git and then outsourcing the comments to a service
Diablo-D3: would really cut down on the bullshit
pigeons: lots of sites i dont realize they have comments cause they use javascript to display them from a 3rd party service
Diablo-D3: pigeons: er, except said 3rd party services email you on comment
Diablo-D3: unless they explicitly set it up as moderation, then thats fine
pigeons: that's why i use your email address
Diablo-D3: lol but its gmail and gmail filters like a baus
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 32 @ 0.00564 = 0.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00565 = 0.2825 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00567 = 1.701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.005709 = 0.0571 BTC [+]
FabianB: Rick__: still only here on irc
Rick__: when will it be back on line?
Namworld: No one can know... it's being DDoS'ed
Namworld: Whenever however is DDoS'ing it stops.
Rick__: mircea cant do anything with the "ddos"?
Rick__: what if the ddosing wont stop?
jurov: i'm working on bringing mpex.coinbr.com onlinw with amazing powers
jurov: hopefully others, too
Rick__: looking forword to have mpex.coinbr.com back
mircea_popescu: Rick__ as i said, there;'s more hardware coming online, and meanwhile trading works through the bots
mircea_popescu: also possibly of interest to you, FabianB has released an equivalent of pympex capable of going through the irc bots
smickles: mircea_popescu: would you mind if '$vwap s.dice' returned what one might expect?
smickles: ooh, what's this FabianB thing?
FabianB: smickles: it's like pympex
FabianB: just a little smoother interface, more features and can talk to the irc bots
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:07 <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:13 <mircea_popescu> such as !ticker m C600T
pigeons: did you turn normal during your time away from irc smickles?
Rick__: mircea,I can read English,but lots of computer things I dont understand,it's very diffcult for me
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok. basically, don't panic, we're working on it. even if ddos never stops.
pigeons: Rick__: do you need some trades executed now?
Rick__: just care about the website
pigeons: yes, we all cared about her, she's very pretty
Rick__: I invest hundreds of coin in it
Rick__: so basicly,when will it be back on line?do you have a schedule?
FabianB: problem with GUIs is that its majority of users are ms windows users
Rick__: If you thing I can understand
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok lets see. suppose you have a shop somewhere. you make ok money selling things in your shop.
mircea_popescu: one day a customer comes in and says "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: your shop doesn't sell carrots. you tell him this. he leaves.
mircea_popescu: the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: the police wants to fine you because your shop is blocking the traffic
Rick__: okay,that's making sence
Rick__: yeah,want shot somebody!
mircea_popescu: ok so, what you do is either make a much larger shop, or make the shop location secret, or both.
mircea_popescu: i am doing both. however, building a supermarket is not instantaneous.
Rick__: so the carrot here,what exacly the hacker do ,
mircea_popescu: it should have been online by yest, but we ran into supplier problems. that's detailed here :
Rick__: okay,thank you very much
pigeons: dunno, i've played with OGLE for capturing geometry
FabianB: mircea_popescu: probably, but opengl is good for games and maybe charts, but not so much for normal guis
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's useful for 3D stuff etc.
smickles: FabianB: looks nice, and good thing to add the ability to go via IRC :)
mircea_popescu: i understand that, but i mean... if it can do that why couldn't it do some window boxes
smickles: mircea_popescu: did kako say he wasn't going to make assbot 'hungry'?
FabianB: sure you can, but it's easier to do GUIs with QT, GTK, Cocoa or Windows native stuff
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1D: 0.14289205 / 0.14375761 / 0.14485191 (5000 shares, 718.79 BTC), 7D: 0.14289205 / 0.14708052 / 0.18400178 (5450 shares, 801.59 BTC), 30D: 0.14289205 / 0.18072094 / 0.58814383 (5900 shares, 1,066.25 BTC)
pigeons: yes opengl doesn't have some of the same positioning microsoft's directx has, but opengl is ued on windows
mircea_popescu: i was just thinking one could make a single codebase that's then independently compilable by os
FabianB: qt and gtk are kinda cross OS too; packaging is some work though for windows
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
FabianB: mircea_popescu: the code can be done in a single codebase, but not the packaging
mircea_popescu: FabianB well if you use win stuff for instance, that won't be compilable in linux
mircea_popescu: if mpex gui ends up as a wine supported thing ima shoot myself
pigeons: yeah wine has a lib for exactly that, building cross-platform gui apps
smickles: lol, opengl. Let's make a 3d gui for mpex. heh, or maybe something like a minecraft interface to mpex :D
gabridome: thank you mircea that was really illuminating:"the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
Namworld: Well that's pretty much what a DDoS is.
pigeons: i could go for telnet to an mpex mud
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a minecraft server
Namworld: Except the people are mindless zombies controlled by a hacker.
smickles: well, it's tekkit, specifically
mircea_popescu: smickles what do you want to build a mpex hq on minecraft ?
smickles: and we'll probably move to feed the beast
mircea_popescu: Namworld i should have said "voters" shouldn't i have.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60399999 BTC [-]
smickles: the thing about minecraft mods is, text based ones are quick and easy, in-game gui ones are a bit tougher, and 'in-game in-game' ones take a lot of time
smickles: and a text one would be useless because it be like irc, but take longer open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.604 = 2.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you ever felt like getting into game-making this'd be a great in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [+]
smickles: I did make a minecraft market mod which allowed players to buy and sell items/blocks at prices based on server-wide demand
FabianB: well java would be cross platform too, but no-one likes java guis (both users and developers)
mircea_popescu: because of the way mpex works, the worst that can happen isn't really too bad at all
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30807, Best ask: 47.39936, Bid-ask spread: 0.09129, Last trade: 47.40000, 24 hour volume: 33231.78608909, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88175
mircea_popescu: smickles "a lot of work" is it because you need art made ?
smickles: naw, minecraft art is simple stuff, the issue is fitting it into play in a way that makes sence
FabianB: and on top: GUIs attract people that need a lot of support; telling someone to type XY into a commandline is easy (can be copy/pasted); telling someone to first click on Y, type X and point the mouse to Z is cumbersome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 499 @ 0.005884 = 2.9361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7176 @ 0.00588401 = 42.2237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9410 @ 0.00593938 = 55.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5415 @ 0.00598314 = 32.3987 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gui is really a stupid way to interact with numeric machines, but hey.
gabridome: what about a javascript platform? security not enough?
mircea_popescu: gabridome security is not an issue really, because the messaging itself is encrypted
FabianB: gabridome: already exists: coinbr.com
smickles: just make the gui look exactly like bitcoinica did
gabridome: yeah. And there's also the esclamation point issue I couldn't deal with probably..
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 33191.53570187, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88337
FabianB: good thing i did the IRC extension, coz it made me implement the interactive mode; very nice to work with mpex in its own shell
mircea_popescu: i actually think there is a new business model being born here.
gabridome: is it easy to install ruby on Mac?
mircea_popescu: offer saas to mpex users : give them a fixed ip vps and handle support for mpex connectivity
FabianB: gabridome: it's shipped with mac, but old version and yes it's easy
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 62 @ 0.000725 = 0.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
gabridome: coinbr.com looks like down. Is it?
gabridome: FabianB:upgraded last version with brew (1.8.7) and tryed to install but:ERROR: Error installing mpex: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. Don't want to spam the channel but could you give me a way to support?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.005905 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
gabridome: mircea_popescu: that look like a challenge. I'ignore it
mircea_popescu: lol. but seriously, it probably spits out something more useful in a log somewhere.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009989 BTC [-]
gabridome: xcode-select: Error: No Xcode is selected. Use xcode-select -switch <path-to-xcode>, or see the xcode-select manpage (man xcode-select) for further information.
pigeons: apple's compiler/environment whatever
gabridome: ?m downloading the new version right now
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's vsa again?
pigeons: yeah use a computer not an apple
pigeons: well an apple II is a computer, but not a imacbook
FabianB: gabridome: as the readme says you need ruby > 1.9 or 2.0
smickles: ok, it's privitive, but it's there:
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
mpexbot: smickles: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC.
smickles: benkay: there is also $post to send mpex commands, if you didn't know already ;)
benkay: do you have a moment to answer some rando questions, smickles?
kakobrekla: what is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?
pigeons: do you like gladiator movies?
mircea_popescu: hmm, smickles has failed to answer our questions. this is clearly a scam
smickles: philosophically speaking from a radical skepticism point of view, the answer to all of those is "i don't know"
Bowjob: so mp, doing any LTC mpex soon
Bowjob: i find it baffling it reaches 35 cents
Bowjob: considering it's a get rich quick
Bowjob: heck they openly admitted it on litecoin.org until recently
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net .
kakobrekla: ;;rate benkay 1 mpex socket subscriber
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 mpex socket hookup
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
gabridome: Pardon FabianB: seen just now. There's no brew formula for ruby 1.9. I guess I have to wait...
ThickAsThieves: ah my mistake the chart i was viewing says top pools that are 'asic ready'
mod6: Hey all. So I think I'm just gonna play with this thing a bit today, but it should be a lot less testing in here. I'm gonna change this thing so when it just sits in here, it looks for a msg from the owner defined by a pgp keyid and it'll verify with gribble via keyid & hostmask & if authenticated currently.
mod6: Then it can just msg mpexbot and get the stuff back without the additional join/part spammyness.
mod6: That code from yesterday worked, but kinda fucks a donkey.
deadweasel: i wish the devs I work with were as honest as you.
benkay: only mod6 smiles about fucking donkeys
deadweasel: i dunno, donkey shows are pretty big in the mexico
benkay: my favorite coders are ultra humble
benkay: i seek to emulate that
deadweasel: i'm lucky, my team is quite humble, except for the crappy two. they fuck everything up and spend a whole sprint doing one shite feature.
deadweasel: which everyone else fixes in the next sprint
benkay: are they shit or juniors?
deadweasel: I think she is leaving, I saw her updating her resume last week, AT WORK.
benkay: but *could* they be trained into high performers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01111 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.0111 = 1.0989 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm only moderately competent due to the generosity of senior engineers at every firm i've ever been a part of.
benkay: what kind of shop do work in?
mod6: lol, its been so long since i've written anything that interacts with irc. its kinda fun to write something like this. 250 million internet years ago, when the aol ice caps were still melting, I used Net::IRC a bunch, but now its deprecated. :/
mod6: this new lib seems to do the trick though
deadweasel: theres a few left, adrift in the north seas, they're like retarded unicorns
deadweasel: i cringe when someone has @aol.com email
gabridome: FabianB: I've succeded to compile it with the new version of Xcode!!! Now it gives me errors about No definition for rb_s_gpgme* maybe is the ruby version...
deadweasel: benkay: it's an AGILE/SCRUM team about 12 big, doing vetconnectplus.com
FabianB: gabridome: with xcode? ok.
FabianB: gabridome: well, you need > 1.9
deadweasel: it aggregates data from local vetinary machines and labs sent to regional labs, displays it altogether one historical graphs for vetinary diagnoses
FabianB: and gpg needs to installed
benkay: WHAT DEADWEASAL LETS GET BEERS
benkay: assuming you're working out of the idexx facility in portland
gabridome: Sincerly FabianB: thank you for your assistance but to manage more than one version of ruby or to compile Ruby on a non Linux environment is much further my knowledge. I'll wait a bit if brew issue a new formula for Ruby
FabianB: if i'm around i like to help, but i probably won't support 1.8, since it's old and no good irc libs out for it
FabianB: also in a high speed train right now, not really stable internet :)
gabridome: yeah I guessed it. better to wait for better libs
jurov: oh, that remains to be seen
gabridome: clap clap. Is it possible to remove:"The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011" it looks strange... ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 99 @ 0.1737 = 17.1963 BTC [+]
gabridome: I swear I swear that I wanted to bet...
gabridome: I have to modify my shell script..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: did the mpex ddos'er at least pay a subscription fee to MP?
smickles: "These keys are only used when there are other recipients given either by use of --recipient or by the asked user id. No trust checking is performed for these user ids and even disabled keys can be used."
jurov: Lyspooner, like, he issued gigabytes of STAT requests?
maximian: FabianB: your mpex gem is excellent
smickles: oh hey mircea_popescu, you should ident and repost the new keyid
smickles: did not know, is trilema back up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b6fd8223825264e5fc51a61232399173363cd6a3672c77d8374c3e7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: aha. ok so : new mpex key 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
dub: coinbr still down though eh
dub: not processing orders anyway
pigeons: cause he's too lasy to extend expiration
dub: mircea_popescu: using coinbr ont the proxy
gabridome: smickless: remember to change youKeyID and to put eventually the esclamation point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2758 @ 0.00598314 = 16.5015 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't seem to be able to find that key for me, would you mind posting the key block somewhere?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499998 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.60499999 = 1.815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.60499999 = 2.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.00599989 = 5.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.006 = 9.924 BTC [+]
gabridome: mircea_popescu:the new key is 1024 long and has no expiry date. Is it ok?
pigeons: dont bother asking the fingerprint, just the lenght and expiry date
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: bot to arb S.DICE on mpex/havelock?
FabianB: maximian: thanks, if you have any suggestions i'll constantly try to improve it
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 it should be done, but depth is kinda meh
pigeons: topace_: looks like your mpex transfer script needs to look for the sig by the new mpex key
gabridome: so I guess gpg tools keyring doesn't read well the lenght(?) mmhhh
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
gabridome: yeah..Beg your pardon. You should be tierd to answer question to newbies. I didn't check the subkeys...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000725 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00549 = 0.1922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 12 @ 0.00066 = 0.0079 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00585 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 37 @ 0.00999 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00585 = 0.0878 BTC [-]
maximian: it could be that the rise in the exchange rate is being offset by more players
maximian: could be… we might see a nice recovery back to the .0070s
maximian: yep, and trade volume is still light. probably no big moves without some news.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
maximian: still, nice to see some some demand return
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1799 = 0.3598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.23 = 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: yea, i need to get that new key in there
topace_: gotta find the details on it.. since mpex is down i dont know where to look
topace_: (mpex.co website down, i mean)
topace_: is there a working mpex proxy besides the bot here?
MJR__: lol mined 50 Ltc last night dumping it now
topace_: can't even get to mp's blog to get the gpg key data
MJR__: yeah I miss polimedia
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]
mjr_: whats up jurov how you been?
mjr_: that was a nice experience, ltc into btc-e, traded for btc, and gone back to coinbr in less than a half hour
jurov: mjr_ well, i got sick of the whole situation (as if i catched cold)
topace_: mircea_popescu: please confirm fingerprint: 3D57 448E 80A5 6F64 F1D3 5E8F 1446 0196 CFE0 F3E1 ?
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1 yeh
jurov: mjr_ had to very quickly move whole site and learn how amazon ec2 works
FabianB: if there are existing users: key can be changed in ~/.mpex/config.yaml
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]
topace_: pympex keeps telling me invalid signature,. but i have the new one in my keyring, and its signed
topace_: oh its telling me to email you my public key first
topace_: 2013-03-10T16:21:04.028098 Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.
FabianB: topace_: did you edit in the new one in the source?
jurov: topace, did you upgrade to my versionabove?
topace_: jurov: yes i did just did a fresh git clone
pizzaman1337: pympex works for me, I just edited the key. Make sure you sign the new one too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0059998 = 11.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.602 = 3.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.601 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.600002 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: mpex transfer should work again now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.59 = 2.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.59 = 4.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 31 @ 0.1853 = 5.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.18521 = 1.4817 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub the funny thing is, one of the things american ppl in england tend to mock is the roundabouts
MJR__: gonna drive straight, then turn to the left
dub: turning right is the devils work
MJR__: did you see that South Park?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: so i just got a push receipt, that validates, but there arent any extra units in my account to account for the push?
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@CPEc0c1c03be745-CM00407b85cf6f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.0059998 = 0.36 BTC [-]
topace_: 08AEAC40F3086E6131B39762A49472A32D4FCE50
mircea_popescu: if you can't id with that i'll have to ask you to sign something.
gribble: Nick 'topace', with hostmask 'topace!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
topace_: hmm guess i never setup gpg with gribble
mircea_popescu: sign a short explanation, date it, limit it and pastebin
mircea_popescu: "this is to prove key ownership over irc session 10 mar 2013 not valid for any other purpose"
mjr_: how do i link a btc address with gribble?
gribble: Error: "identr" is not a valid command.
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: so i can't find any info on the wiki about adding a bitcoin address
Azelphur: Josh_Rossi: care to elaborate on what you're trying to do?
dub: add btc address to his otc user I think
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i got it, i thought that was going to change my pgp address
dub: the docs are retarded
Josh_Rossi: but i realized that you are just changing the btc address from none to whatever
dub: so can you ident via bitcoin key now?
Anduck: do ;;bcauth and when you get the string
Anduck: sign it with the btc addr
Josh_Rossi: but i already set up a script to do it with pgp
Anduck: then do ;;bcverify <string>
Anduck: bitcoin is so much better imo
Anduck: i havent touched my gpg since that
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594534 / 0.006 (30318 shares, 180.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0056036 / 0.006225 (414146 shares, 2,320.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616133 / 0.0069 (3639066 shares, 22,421.49 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: well, i kind of want to start using pgp for certain emails
Josh_Rossi: i had a long discussion with someone about how online identities may become much more valuable than social security numbers or drivers licenses
Josh_Rossi: you don't use them as often as you go online
vampireb: that's why you start creating few seperate identities
Josh_Rossi: and for the most part in real life, people trust you to be you cuz you look the same
mircea_popescu: moreover, if i lost my id i would be meh, send someone to get a new one
Josh_Rossi: is there some sort of certificate system?
Josh_Rossi: like key signing? or does gribble basically do that for us
Josh_Rossi: i mean fulfill the role that a key signing party would have fulfilled
Josh_Rossi: i literally feel like i'm living cryptonomicon
Josh_Rossi: i assume that everyone has read or is aware of that book...but if not it is amazing book about cryptography and digital currencies that was written before btc took off i think
Josh_Rossi: yes, does the WoT take the role of a key signing party
mircea_popescu: rather than the nominalist approach, try the functional
dub: no, wot is just a wot
Josh_Rossi: or i guess more accurately, learn more about how trust and cryptography are related
Josh_Rossi: i saw MPOE-PR show a sig that verified that she was authorized to speak on behalf of MPOE
Josh_Rossi: but it also said something like "this message is signed by this key, but that does not mean that it is really him"
mircea_popescu: what they mean is, anyone can create a key which would be named "Joe"
Josh_Rossi: someone with access to that private key
mircea_popescu: however, you didn't identify the key by it being named joe
FabianB: Josh_Rossi: yeah stephensons cryptonomicon is a fantastic book
Josh_Rossi: i guess they are saying that while that key is definitely valid
Josh_Rossi: and in your case, it is known that that is your key
Josh_Rossi: all i know is that they say "this is my pub key"
mircea_popescu: originally these keys were invented for and used by people whose real world presence was more important to each other
Josh_Rossi: just checking if i understood it correctly
Josh_Rossi: i trust that they key i used was really you
dub: for us it doesnt matter if its really him
Josh_Rossi: and then i can see that the key actually signed that statement
dub: or that he is who he says he is
mircea_popescu: you're not really verifying that the key is really this bloke in timisoara you couldn't care less about
mircea_popescu: you're really veryifying that the key signing here is the same key signing there
mircea_popescu: so it's an identity in that more mathematical sense, not in the more psychological sense of the term.
Josh_Rossi: that is what i was trying to say, that it is consistent across different channels
Josh_Rossi: the same person who runs mpex also wrote a statement saying that mpoe-pr is authorized to speak on its behalf
mircea_popescu: if that matches, it could be called obama for all you care.
Josh_Rossi: i'm trying to build a ticker now using websockets
Josh_Rossi: so i have to write a web based tech thing in a desktop application language that is not great for it
Josh_Rossi: i found some libraries, but trying to get javascript and c# working together is not fun
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.34000, Best ask: 46.39990, Bid-ask spread: 0.05990, Last trade: 46.34000, 24 hour volume: 35159.39827638, 24 hour low: 45.63000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.92297
Josh_Rossi: FabianB: yes, i really like all his books (except Anathem) and think it is amazing how prescient it is
vampireb: huh? c# is easy to integrate with the JS
Josh_Rossi: javascript is not similar to javascript or C# really...
dub: Bowjob: would you mind saving this tanking/rally rubbish every time a trade occur for #bitcoin-otc
Josh_Rossi: and with trying to connect to Socket.IO, you are basically trying to send javascript commands to a server
mircea_popescu: i always tghought js and c# are practically the same thing
dub: Bowjob: so do they, why not share with teh other idiots
vampireb: c# is a better version of java, but the java world is much better. hell i love osx
Bowjob: well what are you gonna do about it
dub: Bowjob: I'll start to dislike you
Josh_Rossi: my roots are more like scripting and stuff, so i love python and dynamic typing
dub: tbh that started when you were crying to us about your parents moving your piano downstairs with teh other pianos
Josh_Rossi: but if i was going to bother with types, i would want to actually compile to the native code
vampireb: in an enterprise enviroment with too many monkey that code, its better to have a strongly typed language
Bowjob: right. i'm still mad about that
dub: of all the ridiculous problems a person could have
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i suppose that is true, i basically do all coding by myself
Josh_Rossi: such a thrill when something works...and the design part can be creative...
Josh_Rossi: feel like you are building something, that many people could find useful
dub: I'm always annoyed to be fixing a problem that should already be solved
Josh_Rossi: hehehe, i usually google for libraries that do what i need
Lyspooner: our 3 homeless newspaper sellers outside the subway are Romanian
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: i guess there is no way to write options on coinbr?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.13000, Best ask: 46.37591, Bid-ask spread: 0.24591, Last trade: 46.37591, 24 hour volume: 35421.00568840, 24 hour low: 45.63000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.91767
Lyspooner: its usefulness is stuck in a tarpit of bias, small sample size and stupidity
Josh_Rossi: money votes a lot more honestly than opinions
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074997 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (91316 shares, 68.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074861 / 0.00078628 (10612769 shares, 7,944.90 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068478 / 0.00078628 (57848323 shares, 39,613.60 BTC)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
Josh_Rossi: hmmm think that 41 call is a good price right now on the ask side
Josh_Rossi: well, i just meant in relation to the OIX
Josh_Rossi: could write next month puts at 43 and basically buy this months 43 call
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 47 @ 0.000725 = 0.0341 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: too poor for mpex at the moment, but hopefully soon
Josh_Rossi: kinda pissed i didn't get into s.dice at .35
topace_: at 20000 btc profit in a month will do that :p
topace_: but those 17k were worth like, 40% more when converted to fiat
Josh_Rossi: yeah, it is a great stock to own i think
mircea_popescu: i've been spending the past hours looking at various mpex graphs
Josh_Rossi: ok, think later this week i will try some otc purchases
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i like looking at historical data, but i rarely think it predicts the future
Josh_Rossi: well...i mean in btc it is pretty easy to see that it is trending upwards
BitHub: hows the contract stuff going?
Josh_Rossi: hmmm...i only have 1 option contract at 41 sso that is decent
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00899 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but as far as business stuff i am trying to write drivers to grab market data for a crossing engine
Josh_Rossi: when i am good at neither c# or javascript
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 48 @ 0.009 = 0.432 BTC [+]
BitHub: i'm good at making movies
Josh_Rossi: also, i am having a lot of fun with trying to do different roles to set up a company
Josh_Rossi: looking into gnucash for my accounting stuff
Josh_Rossi: going to try and design the logo (fingers crossed)
Josh_Rossi: has anyone seen a font that includes the double barred B?
gribble: Error: "messageparser" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 225257 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4880505.1893 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.73635
BitHub: yeah watched a bit of it, pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.61199999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6149999 = 3.075 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: The "MessageParser" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "
http://dpaste.com/1018705/" in it. Try "list MessageParser" to see the commands in the "MessageParser" plugin.
the-bucket-shop: my key stopped working. not sure how to use the right one. sorry for the noise everyone.
kakobrekla: check you are signing with the right one
mircea_popescu: the-bucket-shop make sure you're using the right mpex key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0059998 = 1.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it switched on the 10th. this was announced like last month. do you have it ?
the-bucket-shop: I did nothing to update a key. must have ignored the announcement.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 130 @ 0.000726 = 0.0944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594579 / 0.006 (30568 shares, 181.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.005599 / 0.006225 (409396 shares, 2,292.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616121 / 0.0069 (3629525 shares, 22,362.28 BTC)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
Bugpowder: I totally forgot how to manually sign and encrypt the orders
the-bucket-shop: I've got a working STAT, but I'd like to get rid of this message before sending money There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.62989, Best ask: 45.79000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16011, Last trade: 45.79000, 24 hour volume: 36079.61301029, 24 hour low: 45.51000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.85896
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.61887999 = 5.5699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.61887999 = 12.9965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6188888 = 5.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.61899899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.618999 = 1.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.619 = 1.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.619 = 3.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6199991 = 3.72 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: gotta prep for job talk. Peace out. See yall in a few days.
Bugpowder: make S.DICE hit .0065 while i'm gone please
pizzaman1337: bets are still active and working though, it appears
dub: at least its showing the same market reaction as mpex, site down price up
the-bucket-shop: seems there's a need for a distributed list of addresses. wikileaks style. not sure how to prevent fraud on that though
pizzaman1337: the addresses are built into blockchain.info's wallet
the-bucket-shop: anyone care to make that known on bitcointalk.org, or is this my responsibility? I haven't seen satoshidice at the top of the agenda over there for at least 12 hours.
the-bucket-shop: my friend, fancy_pants is going to ham it up sky is falling where are the bitcoin police. hopefully someone will correct any inaccuracies.
pizzaman1337: I wonder if it's getting DDoS'd by the same people/person who are/is attacking mpex
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
error4733: but like say above, the script is ok ! pp play atm
smickles: er, "JurovP(" and ends with a ")", that's not json :P
smickles: oh, and there's a semi-colon at the end too @.@
mircea_popescu: there's two files. one's made like a function for some browsingreason
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm coding a nice looking gui client for mpex and plan on selling it for 1 btc
smickles: it'll be for linux, win, mac, and android
the-bucket-shop: that ruby thing doesn't compile on my mac or hacked iPhone.
smickles: the-bucket-shop: FabianB's ruby thing?
smickles: both mpex-mktdepth.php / mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php have that JurovP bit at the beginning
smickles: mircea_popescu: thru the coinbr proxy or directly?
smickles: i dunno, but i'd hate to code in something to handle that, then when the main site comes back online it fucks stuff up
mircea_popescu: this is so weird, because vwap does not show the same behaviour
mircea_popescu: and it's just a proxy, wtf, it randomly changes ONE url ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: when you update the .php on mpex's servers does it need to be manually updated on proxies?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 a. the file;s never been updated in montsh (really, since jurov wanted the procedure thing)
pizzaman1337: it would be cool if you could distribute something for people to setup their own proxies
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1999 = 0.3998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 9 @ 0.009 = 0.081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00075 = 48.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 7 @ 0.000726 = 0.0051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594579 / 0.006 (30568 shares, 181.75 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.005599 / 0.006225 (409396 shares, 2,292.21 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616121 / 0.0069 (3629525 shares, 22,362.28 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 108 @ 0.0059998 = 0.648 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thanks for the offer, but vps couldn't really take it.
vampireb: you probably should extend the irc bot to show depth
vampireb: i dont really need to go there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.592 = 1.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.59100005 = 8.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.591 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5850001 = 5.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.585 = 2.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.581 = 20.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.581 = 2.324 BTC [-]
vampireb: chromebooks are awesome, except can't remap keys. which makes using irssi a challenge
gribble: Current Blocks: 225274 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 517 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4893908.51557 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.04321
vampireb: by the time i;ll get my asic from brl the diff will be at 10mil
vampireb: the hot one, jalapeno. ~160 is pocket change
dub: the only thing for sure with bfl is that there will be eleventy threads created about them today
kakobrekla: i read that 'yu'e getting an ascii from bfl ?'
vampireb: i dont follow "hardware" topics
vampireb: i just needed a coffee cup warmer, i hopefully they can deliver that at least
kakobrekla: i had a glass made specifically for it
BitHub: can i buy something right now they'll at least make me 1btc a day, even when all the avalons come or whatever i can still mine 1btc a day?
vampireb: the mining diffuculty will go up
dub: you could buy a 1btc/day mining contract
dub: sure, I'll sell you one for 60btc/month
BitHub: done send me all your details
BitHub: anyone want any asicminer shares? i want out
dub: has dice commented on the downtime?
BitHub: it was okey just want to do something myself or mine some coins myself or something
vampireb: so ddos shouldnt be as effective :)
BitHub: waiting for something new to put my coins into
vampireb: it can be done, no denying that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01989 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.71717, Best ask: 45.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18283, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 36180.55424484, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.81412
benkay: was the mpex bot not spitting back at dpaste just recently?
dub: at first glance its says bitches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [-]
benkay: y u no give me plain json?
benkay: with this freepaste services
benkay: parse all the things...
Josh_Rossi: well it was mostly for the login page on the google apps website
Josh_Rossi: so it wouldn't need to have google logo
Josh_Rossi: which was limited to 159x43 px or something like that
Josh_Rossi: Eventually it should be an investment vehicle
Josh_Rossi: ie. you can get shares in your brokerage account, and basically track the broad based bitcoin economy
Josh_Rossi: till then, just having fun trying to build things
Josh_Rossi: have a few projects, but I figured I would need a site, and all the other stuff eventually and that was the best domain name i could find
BitHub: i'm selling digicreds.com if you're intrested
Josh_Rossi: i got btcshares, btc-etf, and one other one
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.00000, Best ask: 46.22987, Bid-ask spread: 0.22987, Last trade: 46.22887, 24 hour volume: 33473.44140151, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.74346
kakobrekla: i have bitcoin-assets.com and it has ass so beat that.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594598 / 0.006 (30676 shares, 182.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0055991 / 0.006225 (409504 shares, 2,292.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616274 / 0.0069 (3619271 shares, 22,304.65 BTC)
BitHub: i think i found the right music for a bitcoin type action film
BitHub: hehe checking them out
BitHub: that's definitly the soundtrack to the mircea character
dub: please tell me you've seen that before
dub: if not, you've failed at internet
BitHub: that's because i win at real life
BitHub: hah yeah this one i've seen
BitHub: seems like more of a 4chan theme
dub: 4chan is a much more serious and useful site than bitcointalk
BitHub: i'm not working on a bitcoin film heh but i am intrested in making some bitcoin commercials
BitHub: hah error heard that one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0059998 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
mpexbot: smickles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mpexbot: smickles: {u'S': [[100000, 10000], [75000, 244641], [77988, 1399], [78500, 500000], [78000, 500000], [76718, 17454], [100000000, 10000], [78984, 23163], [79000, 450000], [1000000, 2000], [10000000, 2000], [77999, 54540], [1000000, 100000]], u'B': [[53500, 168150], [101, 10000000], [55000, 340602], [100, 10000000], [38150, 14391957], [55500, 150000], [40000, 150000], [55501, 500], [38151, 5000], (1 more message)
mpexbot: benkay: {u'S': [[100000, 10000], [75000, 244641], [77988, 1399], [78500, 500000], [78000, 500000], [76718, 17454], [100000000, 10000], [78984, 23163], [79000, 450000], [1000000, 2000], [10000000, 2000], [77999, 54540], [1000000, 100000]], u'B': [[53500, 168150], [101, 10000000], [55000, 340602], [100, 10000000], [38150, 14391957], [55500, 150000], [40000, 150000], [55501, 500], [38151, 5000], (1 more message)
benkay: implying there's a max message size on this irc network?
benkay: this is getting annoying.
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's spammy now b/c it's just the primitive. I plan to do exactly what you say, a range around the center. for now, peeps should just use it in pm
smickles: benkay: can I make it better somehow?
smickles: benkay: an mpex gui which i'm developing
smickles: should work on linux, win, mac, and android
smickles: each of those platforms has all the dependancies it requires
smickles: not to mention i don't have a mac, and you need xcode to make an ios app
dub: that and nobody uses iphone
dub: barrign fanboys and homosexuals
smickles: you could sa the same about windows
benkay: there's this one market i'm interested in
benkay: lots of disposable income
benkay: sold on ui investments
benkay: enlightened commentary
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [-]
MJR_: I finally got pgp working on the iPhone
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
benkay: bigotry aside, i'd actually like the full json in this irc channel
smickles: wow, I thought you addy was 1Loki for a sec there
dub: im a dink and she's only got one cause its work provided
pigeons: dont talk to him, we dont need his kind here, fuckin macs
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [-]
MJR_: I know, it was a close one
MJR_: I kinda want a vanity address
benkay: i just don't really like the tiny little bit of fragility that parsing that url introduces
dub: you can't be a dink with a baby
benkay: it's not a big deal though because i think i'm going to cache the ticker
smickles: benkay: would you prefer the raw pastebin?
benkay: a url pointing directly to raw makes me much more the happy
mircea_popescu: obviously you shoudl code proxy-aware and bot-aware, but for a begining this should bridge you i think
benkay: i'm going to go ragedelete a whole branch
benkay: jokes, 90% of it's reusable.
Ukto: wonder how long it will be till someone ddos' coinbr
Ukto: i'm sure bitvps will love that :P
dub: presumably he moved off shitvps
mircea_popescu: they got their dinky little dc blown to bits, jurov moved
Ukto: mircea_popescu: sorry, i spend my days working. :P
benkay: mircea_popescu: what data feeds do you recommend for production sites hooking into mpex?
mircea_popescu: benkay my name is going to become "what are you trying to do"
Ukto: mircea_popescu: i am offering a new service
Ukto: or considering making it available
Ukto: that would be very good for this kinda thing
Ukto: pm me if your interested
Ukto: since its not public yet
benkay: except that now i know about the coinbr data feed
benkay: and that doesn't change urls every 2 minutes
smickles: heh, it's much the same data, no worries :)
smickles: the bot is mostly a backup anyway
benkay: it's great that you're open to suggestions like that
benkay: fast turnaround on something i didn't even ask for
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250N] 15 @ 0.07613082 = 1.142 BTC
benkay: low bar for kindness in these parts
MJR_: was a test...crashed my app
smickles: heh, have you seen some of the trolls around bitcoin. I should take it as kind that you haven't called me an incestuous pole vaulter or smt
MJR_: but you should be able to decrypt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.35007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.35 = 1.4 BTC [-]
MJR_: the message was too long?
MJR_: should have pasted to dpaste
benkay: i've seen what constitutes ye olde online community
MJR_: mircea_popescu: could you decrypt it?
MJR_: ah, you didn't get the whole thing then?
benkay: arguably the only thing i
benkay: i've ever learned about irc is to just rise above it
benkay: no matter what "it" is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-]
gribble: User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 12:24:35 2011.
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=smickles . Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@67.222.146.32 .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.58100000 / 0.59986625 / 0.61999910 (296 shares, 177.56040896 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.51862844 / 0.62950000 (1570 shares, 814.24665115 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63440004 / 0.76500000 (5705 shares, 3619.25223897 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594641 / 0.006 (30926 shares, 183.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00559971 / 0.006225 (408254 shares, 2,286.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616299 / 0.0069 (3616799 shares, 22,290.33 BTC)
MJR_: mircea_popescu: that should work
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.69000000 / 1.72102475 / 1.75000000 (24 shares, 41.30459400 BTC), 7D: 1.40001001 / 1.56164063 / 1.75000000 (149 shares, 232.68445435 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 3.13202977 / 18.00000000 (247 shares, 773.61135435 BTC)
MJR_: nice! encryption on the iPhone :)
MJR_: I would like to create a text message app that would auto encrypt texts, and allow the other side to decrypt easily
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01989 BTC [+]
MJR_: figure the key exchange maps to "friend request"
BitHub: do this for bitcoin plz :)
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 05:39:10 2011.
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01989 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
MJR_: I've always thought someone should make a social network/im that is totally encrypted, so no one but your "friends" can even possibly see your content
MJR_: like not even the host knows what you are posting
the-bucket-shop: badly needed until you ask for money. then suddenly in the clear is just fine. except for day trading of course
MJR_: im just an ADHD person
MJR_: silent circle looks interesting
BitHub: and being able to catgorize posts
BitHub: fb timeline is so shit
BitHub: i want to click on youtube and see all the youtube links i've posted
MJR_: and they mine your data
BitHub: and intergrate it with bitcoin
BitHub: so can have social media payments
MJR_: yeah that would be awesome
MJR_: I actually think that there can be a role for banks as service providers
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00544 BTC [-]
MJR_: as opposed to lenders/crooks
MJR_: well...in bitcoin land it actually makes sense
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00544 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [-]
MJR_: I think one problem is that of convenience...and they can handle recurring payments etc.
BitHub: i'd like to see like a youtube clone where you can pay for a stream or HQ dl via bitcoin or tipstream
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
BitHub: i'm working on something
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1999 = 0.3998 BTC [+]
[\\\]: hey mircea_popescu
BitHub: well i want to make a movie and as an experiment see if maybe it plays for 5mins or something and then'll it'll stop and ask for like some btc to watch the rest of the stream or you can dl my video with a quick bitcoin payment
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0057 = 0.0114 BTC [-]
[\\\]: tap your bish on the head for me
MJR_: I meant for people who know how to check email
[\\\]: I lol'd for that one
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000726 = 0.0015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
MJR_: im really curious if someone will try a fractional reserve banking thing with bitcoins
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.18997 BTC [+]
MJR_: oh yeah true...though I thought the coupons were based on their cash
MJR_: also I heard they had to stop that
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's not really proven or anything. more like konspiraci theory
MJR_: well, I guess it could be done aboveboard...more like CD's than demand deposits
mircea_popescu: MJR_ nobody will wait for the bitcoin payment to clear to watch their movie.
MJR_: well that was BitHub
MJR_: but also with micropayments I doubt you will wait
BitHub: do you mean because of the confirm?
MJR_: also, 6 confirms is arbitrary...really comes down to your levels of trust
mircea_popescu: i had txs waited for 6 hours just to be included two days ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
BitHub: try sitting at cafe for 6hours
BitHub: run out of shit to talk about after 2
mircea_popescu: and i have old coinbases and etc. average joe with smallish inputs... ouch.
BitHub: i never want to see that person again
MJR_: the Jon Stewart vs Bill O'Reilly was like that, $5 to watch
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
MJR_: Im so glad you didn't mean bill O'Reilly
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.5789 BTC [+]
MJR_: the forum is boring
mircea_popescu: MJR_ im all backed up here lol, get prepared cause when it goes back online it'll rain articles
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
MJR_: his office is 7 blocks from mine
MJR_: I wish I knew the overlap between iPhone jailbreakers and bitcoins
mircea_popescu: MJR_ there was some dude jailbreaking anything in the forum,
MJR_: for example, cydia doesn't let you pay with btc
MJR_: which to me seems obvious
pizzaman1337: MJR_: I asked saurik about that once, let me see if I can find his response
MJR_: I've never bought one thing there
MJR_: cuz too much hassle and don't want my cc info floating around
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.19879 BTC [+]
MJR_: another obvious one
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
MJR_: they seem sorry that they can only accept cc and Paypal
MJR_: on their donation page
MJR_: I was going to get a cloak
MJR_: pizzaman1337: lol taxes
MJR_: what chan are they usually on?
pizzaman1337: if he needed to convert it to fiat to payout devs, it might not be unavoidable
dub: MJR_: just ask in #freenode
MJR_: pizzaman1337: sucks
MJR_: also, anonymous...also seems like an obvious fit
MJR_: and perhaps they are using it
MJR_: they are after all anonymous
MJR_: but you would think they would be more vocal as they hate banks etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.583 = 5.83 BTC [-]
BitHub: did mircea pay his taxes this year?
MJR_: the hacktivist group
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005425 = 0.0109 BTC [-]
dub: there is no hacktavist group
dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them
☟︎ MJR_: the people who "hack" and refer to themselves as "Anonymous"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5810005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5810003 = 5.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.581 = 5.81 BTC [-]
dub: the rest are just hitting f5
MJR_: was not referring to their skill
MJR_: but rather their inferred ideals
dub: it requires at least as much skill to use bitcoins as breath through ones nose
dub: which excludes anyone that refers to themself as anon
MJR_: dub: wait, not sure if you mean it's easy or hard
dub: its harder than hitting f5
BitHub: even for people who aren't totally noob at internet
MJR_: but I think it's relatively easy
MJR_: the hardest part is getting btc
BitHub: that is getting harder
MJR_: and that is only hard because of lame banks and difficulty of moving money
BitHub: sorry i mean it is hard at first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.580001 = 1.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.570001 = 1.71 BTC [-]
MJR_: once you have some it is simple
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7 = 16.1 BTC [+]
MJR_: tell me the tipbot on Reddit is hard
BitHub: i only go to the bitcoin subredit
MJR_: hahaha, maybe hard to set up if you want to donate
MJR_: but I think for people receiving it, it's easy
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.719999 = 7.2 BTC [+]
MJR_: it creates a wallet for you
BitHub: i'm just over learning new shit all the time
jurov: there's special config for it cause by default things are cached 15 mins
jurov: and i left jsonp part there
smickles: mircea_popescu: give $proxies a go
mircea_popescu: jurov ; this is intended to function as a permanent and maintained proxy list
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so that everyone can write code referencing here and always be online.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
BitHub: how come no mpex room?
dub: really its a ddos c&c
jurov: seems like everyone else is too afraid to get listed?
mircea_popescu: jurov you get the standing ovation of being the only one there for a bit :D
mircea_popescu: but anyway, anyone writing code for mpex interfacing, bear the list in mind.
smickles: mircea_popescu and myself can add to the list with $proxies <pastebin paste key to a signed json array of proxies>
mircea_popescu: the end scenario here is that the internet ends but mpex survives by now.
smickles: let me pull out my 8000 baud modem
smickles: the-bucket-shop: no, next step, global meshnet
MJR_: smickles: that would be awesome
dub: someone was talking about a bitcoin over ham radio protocol a while bac
smickles: with nodes receiving their due in bitcoin for opperating
dub: but a network of phone numbers with modems would be really easy
MJR_: but I think at least in urban areas
MJR_: wifi will work best
jurov: don't forget to throw some fax numbers in the mix
smickles: multi-frequency mesnet. hams could jump the long distances, wifi for cities
smickles: ham > 250 or w/o line of site < 250
the-bucket-shop: i was sitting on sidelines for mpoe shares until I watched you guys knock this thing up. I'm a shareholder now because of it…
MJR_: bandwidth is no problem
dub: dialup nodes should already be there tbh
MJR_: the-bucket-shop: welcome :)
dub: costs nothing but a phone number
dub: much more resilient than internet and most radio
MJR_: well...relies on existing infrastructure under others control
mircea_popescu: actually the plan was to have tcp/ip reimpremented over pigeons
☟︎ dub: no different to anything else
dub: and pstn still stays up well after teh lights go out (mostly)
smickles: see, that's why meshnet is awesome, you contribute what you have, even if it is just a pigeon
MJR_: well a community could implement a wireless mesh network under their control
smickles: it all falls down to power tho
dub: MJR_: thats other peoples infrastructure too
smickles: they can stop shipments of gas
MJR_: I meant AT&T not your neighbor
jurov: let us bouce teh orderz from ionosphere
dub: only ham works in that case
smickles: solar and wind power would be easily spotted,dissappeared
MJR_: bitcoin in a walking dead type world
smickles: we're just fucked. lets stop now
dub: walking dead world only takes a few years to resolve though
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's the scribbles mean on that?
dub: theres what 400k people in america?
BitHub: is that who did the ddos?
dub: probably at least that many bullets in your avg small town
MJR_: dub: 400k in America?
pizzaman1337: google translate says "It turned out that the Chinese people do ah! Mailboxes are"
smickles: most people with guy fawkes masks want to overthrow the gov't and replace it w/ a theocracy. just like guy fawkes, right?
MJR_: smickles: not that I know of
MJR_: dub: there u go lol, I was confused
dub: still, not that many zombies to clean up
smickles: MJR_: so why do they wear guy fawkes masks?
dub: smickles: because they want to hit f5
BitHub: betsotbitcoin who ddos mpex?
dub: that scientology raid has a lot to answer for
dub: there is no mask wearing legion
MJR_: anti-cyber-surveillance;
MJR_: they apparently want to fight against banks, religions that are mean, and govt spying
MJR_: but there was some overlap
MJR_: anti-cyber-surveillance;
pizzaman1337: I'm assuming the options with ids ending in "T" are "this month" and "N" are "next month"?
pizzaman1337: it might be a good idea to put that in the FAQ, didn't see it there
dub: fighting against govt spying is just trolling
smickles: i loved it when some guy said that the options' ids were needlessly complicated and incomprehensible... i pointed out an option on google. i won.
dub: govt has been looking at everything for a long time
dub: that cow is out the gate
smickles: dub: cow tipping is a prized sport where i come from
dub: THATs why the right to bear arms is so important
dub: you need arms to tip a cow
dub: how are you going to open the gate?
MJR_: lol, I don't understand the logic in maintaining a "right" from the people you need that right to protect yourself from
[\\\]: Cow gates aren't complicated.
MJR_: govt. give me the right to have a gun, so that I can stop you from taking my gun?
[\\\]: Its not like they've got combo dials
dub: MJR_: neither, its like but you elected them?
smickles: MJR_: well, it started out from the perspective that gov't should be subserviant (sp?) to individuals
MJR_: to me, it is seeming like gives are increasingly less relevant
smickles: the right doesn't come from the gov't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
MJR_: point being, what they choose to do doesn't matter
MJR_: only brought up govt bc most people in murica refer to the 2nd amendment
dub: [\\\]: you've got to lift the little springy bit holding the chain latching teh gate shut
smickles: MJR_: thing is, the 2nd amendment doesn't prevent them from taking the guns, it just prevents them from making a law to prohibit gun ownership
MJR_: if you trust them to follow rules...
mircea_popescu: A dollar spent mining bitcoins in 2010 now worth $53K.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.72010, Best ask: 46.98800, Bid-ask spread: 0.26790, Last trade: 46.98898, 24 hour volume: 30169.98410034, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.70000, 24 hour vwap: 46.51254
the-bucket-shop: 2nd amendment protects encryption too - as well as probably bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [+]
gribble: #13941 Sun Mar 10 09:58:52 2013 smickles SELL 20.0 btc @ 49.82 usd (None)
MJR_: they stopped classifying encryption as a munition
MJR_: I posted a link to that xkcd
smickles: i've got a copy of the original pgp source code somewhere
smickles: printed when that whole debacle was going on
smickles: people are great, gov't is liek: it's illegal to distribute that code!! peeps are like: let's print it in a book and send it everywhere!!!!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so intrade is shut down. where's all the experts advising bitbet should be more like intrade ?
smickles: a good copy of that book is worth upwards of 100 usd now iirc
mircea_popescu: that's what i want to know. for all the posturing and pretense when they're wrong but don't know it yet,
mircea_popescu: where's the humility and apologetics when it's proven they were in fact wrong ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: not likely, imsa is quite a good troll
[\\\]: I made no comments about intrade or bitbet
mircea_popescu: there was this one guy, jesus, i even blogged about him
[\\\]: but I can be humble and apologetic.
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: you're blogging about jesus?
[\\\]: is that bible 2.0?
smickles: wait, bitcoin jesus was an actual topic?
mircea_popescu: nono, this guy explaining to me the virtues of intradelineness
smickles: not just a joke the other day?
[\\\]: but that isn't clear from your text
[\\\]: your girl would rip you on it.
MJR_: not to confuse but I think bitcoin Jesus was def a topic
[\\\]: is that why she wears a strapon?
[\\\]: you're a kinky fellow
[\\\]: smickles, its well after bedtime. I claim no credit for my antics.
bitfoo: +1 for informative titles
[\\\]: who is max keiser?
smickles: [\\\]: beer 4 here, any neat stuff i say is lucky
[\\\]: did anyone see the tweet from the old, self proclaimed bitcoin jesus?
MJR_: that's when bitcoin Jesus came up
mircea_popescu: Timothy Maxwell "Max" Keiser is an American broadcaster and film-maker. He hosts Keiser Report, a financial program broadcast on RT.
MJR_: I like that chick from RT
[\\\]: smickles, I knew what you meant. You're well paste neat, trending towards sloppy.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] he';s not sloppy, shampoo is just very expensive where he lives.
[\\\]: Whatever happened to all of the different bitcoin vblogs?
[\\\]: There used to be all of these different 'shows'
MJR_: avoid the keiser report
[\\\]: back when coins were like 'free'
smickles: lol, mircea_popescu my wife just told me to wash my hair too
[\\\]: smickles, I'm pretty certain she was talking about your ass.
MJR_: I think there is a conspiracy going on to change the spelling to konspiraci
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 14 @ 0.000726 = 0.0102 BTC [+]
[\\\]: smickles, what is that?
jurov: [\\\] drunk reddit alien
smickles: [\\\]: it's the i dunno lol dog with one arm backwards
[\\\]: it was blending with Rick__
[\\\]: confusing the look
Rick__: I cant open this website
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
Rick__: did you put the new key in the faq?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
smickles: that's like not being able to go to Rick__.isgay.com back in the 90's
jurov: Rick__ and mpex.coinbr.com works or it was harmonized, too?
jurov: yea, that's official term
[\\\]: they got ride of the wildcard cna
[\\\]: it was always fun to point people to meatspin
[\\\]: but the wildcard is gone, so it doesn't work now
smickles: it's hard enough to find goatse, even, anymore
MJR_: I was talking about mpex.coinbr
Rick__: did you put the new key in the faq?
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user mircea_popescu, with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: Rick__ i'll be doing the updates of that nature once we get stuff back online and runnign smoothly
MJR_: Ltc hit .40 should have waited a few hours to dump lol
jurov: MJR_: don't worry over it, prolly will crash soon
MJR_: I only am mining it because I have 28 cores doing nothing
MJR_: and I can't get cash to btc-e otherwise
jurov: i guess it will crash while i'll be waiting for litecoind to sync. i have such luck
MJR_: that's where my deposit came from today jurov :)
MJR_: by the way, im not sure what you guys use, but im loving gnucash
MJR_: and if it's at all possible to generate ofx files it would be awesome!
smickles: so if you anticipated the rise, amazon cloud mining would've been very profitable
smickles: may 15 2011, was when that howto was posted
BitHub: can i pay miner fees in ltc instead?
smickles: miner fees? like bitcoin tx fees?
smickles: jesus fuck, bitcoin was under 6 usd on may 11 2011. leveraging amazon cloud would made bank
smickles: then you still had that whole fall to 2
smickles: "Congratulations! You've just discovered a ceiling above which price of bitcoin will never rise (at current difficulty). 20/0.38 = 52.63 USD/BTC."
MJR_: wtf? tesla only gets 80mh/s
MJR_: my fpga project is coming along
MJR_: hmm. think getting a ticker price on Bloomberg is possible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
mpexbot: smickles: depth, post, proxies, and vwap
mpexbot: smickles: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
Franktank: Anyone selling ASICMiner shares at 0.6/share?
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.70633 / 0.79899 (146 shares, 103.1 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68884 / 1 (1322 shares, 910.6 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68884 / 1 (1322 shares, 910.6 BTC)
smickles: kakobrekla: what do you think about putting !help and $list SupyMPEx in the topic?
mircea_popescu: asicminer-pt is the btct.co listed passthrough for asicminer.
MJR_: mircea_popescu: what was the bond interest rate last month?
Franktank: Why has it dropped? It's current the best stock right now, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: not in any estimation i'm familiar with. what do you mean "best" ?
MJR_: just want to diversify this month, we'll see
mircea_popescu: he's been on some interview, and every 5 minutes, "hey, did i mention i'm a bitcoin millionaire ?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
Franktank: Well what is considered better than ASICMiner in your opinion?
MJR_: is this to be our rockefellers and Astors?
MJR_: Franktank: it really only depends on what you have to pay
Franktank: Dividend payout, increased resale value, etc
mircea_popescu: by historical resale value s.mpoe, indubitably. it opened like 2.9k satoshi, now trading 75s
mircea_popescu: by dividend payout s.dice, it paid out something like 68k btc so far
mircea_popescu: course s.bbet also saw some crazy appreciation but most of it happened on ipo day
smickles: mircea_popescu: do you recall what was in that bag?
smickles: I had it down for a bag full of chocolate
smickles: not that there's anything wrong with that
ZedsterX: depends on your outlook i guess
ZedsterX: so if i have no pix of me being 48 i am not 48?
smickles: if you really want something done, you have to admit it's a purse
jurov: lol, tim ferriss calls such a "man bag". quite a fag there.
smickles: tim ferris? that well off dude who writes books?
jurov: yes. in 5 hour body he admitted to carrying a protable weights in his man bag
jurov: to weight his poop
jurov: i'm not making this up
jurov: okay let's get back to choco bonbons
smickles: come to think of it, oral retention, anal retention. BY YOUR POWERS COMBINE!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.55100, Best ask: 47.94000, Bid-ask spread: 0.38900, Last trade: 47.55000, 24 hour volume: 35518.49297168, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.68101
mod6: one more try here ;)
mircea_popescu: smickles it'd surprise me if they actually had 1/3 of exchange mkt atm.
smickles: iknow iknow, but this is what's easily reported
mircea_popescu: i think i'm going to end up feeding my options with a usd fixing price
smickles: daily meeting sorta-kinda seem like they might be your thing
jurov: lmao totally should have foreseen that... btcusd being officially quoted by mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244641 @ 0.00075 = 183.4808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5359 @ 0.00076718 = 4.1113 BTC [+]
mod6: well, it works better kinda, takes direct messages... but it blew up on the second message.
smickles: like you maybe-might be in the position to have the time for them and beyond that your bouyant bayance by speech is not much matched here ;)
jurov: mircea_popescu perhaps not fully in this situation
mircea_popescu: ok, it's like this. suppose the three main dealers are A, B and C.
mircea_popescu: a, b and c go through their books, see what customers want, see what they want on their own account
mircea_popescu: then they say. a buys 50k usd. b sells 25k usd. c sells 70k usd.
jurov: ah that kind of meeting you mean
mod6: think i just need to add some sleep time....
mircea_popescu: this process is called fixing, it's widely used to obtain a price.
smickles: you get that going and you'll have all the fun
smickles: i think fun occurs most in the regression. the mean is just incidental
jurov: heh i first understood "mean" as in the other meaning
smickles: yeah, english is fucked that way
smickles: wtf? past historic first singular: bayai
smickles: how the fuck is that a word!!?!?!
smickles: oh, i'm on the wrong wikipedia
smickles: there's a lot of french here which i didn't notice
mod6: im talkin to da mpex bot via private message
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
mod6: at least thats working ok lol
mod6: got the depth back and output is good, now to see if I can successfully get another request
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5451 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.12 BTC [-]
mod6: so it seems like it gets the first request and weather, vwap or depth, works great.
mod6: but on the second request i only seem to get a <title>Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID</title>
mod6: maybe one just needs to wait a bit between requests?
mod6: ok one more try... its already way less shitty than yesterday
jurov: what is the record?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.719999 BTC [-]
mod6: first command worked good
mod6: gonna wait before i issue next command
mod6: ok lets try second one?
mod6: gonna check this in quick
mod6: i'll still add more stuff, like it checking stuff out with gribble... so thats still coming yet
mod6: anyway, have a good one :]
dub: jurov: was over ten minutes a couple days ago
jurov: 2000 seconds is more than 10 min
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594744 / 0.006 (30426 shares, 180.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00560095 / 0.006225 (403237 shares, 2,258.51 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616304 / 0.0069 (3614671 shares, 22,277.39 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01231 BTC [-]
jcpham: it is being spliced as we speak
gesell: im not flaming. just saying id like to know more about why its down
jurov: to be mitigated using .... RAID???
gesell: why not host some static pages on free cloud services?
jcpham: that's not good enough mircea_popescu
jcpham: we'll need a graph or something
mircea_popescu: gesell you can use the proxy listed in topic or else the irc bots to trade
jurov: yes... but it looked liike i'm ddosed
gesell: mircea_popescu: proxy is fine. just curious the logic. seems that loosing the face of mpex (which the web presense is part of) would make some question
gesell: mircea_popescu: the questions are natural for investors. and also natural to want more details...
mircea_popescu: gesell surely. there's been ample disucssion here and also reports regularly posted in the forum.
gesell: if its ddos, whats the plan. just no web presence?
dub: its raining in the cloud today
dub: jurov: you did tick the persistent storage box rite? don't do a poland
jurov: dub yes that was first thing i checked
jurov: mircea_popescu, pretty much. except keys and such
jurov: i did except flaky performance...but 25 second I/O delays causing whole machine to drop connections? er, uhm.
mircea_popescu: "We got the server rebuilt. Issues as expected. It's working in RAID 10 right now. I know you said RAID 6 but before we take this down again, can you live with 10?"
dub: true ballers roll raid 1000
mircea_popescu: i'm like... meh, watch me go 10 and then have two disks fail.
jcpham: mircea_popescu when does rota get paid
jcpham: you can pay me quarterly, I'm fine with it
jcpham: what if you can't afford it by then
jurov: jcpham, go to btcjam and show them your proof of employment
jurov: "employed" in rota
jcpham: why would i even have a btcjam account
jcpham: i heard they loan liquidity to an exchange
jurov: haha... ashamed, better forgot
mircea_popescu: jcpham i wouldn't wory about that, it's kinda like coinlab bringing rupees to wall street
jurov: no they're all about bahts, have you seen the symbol?
mircea_popescu: anyway, things are getting pretty much wrapped up, im upgrading mpex.co back online from "this week" to "today".
gesell: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link
jcpham: the op of the asicminer pool decided to fork his pool for a few minutes
dub: not commiserate with teh ideals of bitcoin, kind of person bitcoin does not need.. The person is blatantly and willfully violating the trust of Bitcoin network and for that he/she should be reprimanded.
jcpham: so while bitcoind was running with no db
jcpham: i assume the miners were doing diff 0 shares
jcpham: until the hot wallet was empty
mircea_popescu: gesell mail is not nuts. mail is the strongest, oldest and in general best service ever implemented on the internet.
dub: I didn't think bitcoind offered work until it was synced
jborkl_: I think it would have been network diff at the point of the blockchain download you were mining
gesell: mircea_popescu: yes mail is but using google as a trusted host gate, not sure
jcpham: i upgraded bitcoind today
jcpham: dunno how a pool handles the resync
jborkl_: at block 195000 it was i think 1.95 m for example
jborkl_: so while he was dl, blocks would have been synching fast- but mining at 200k diff
FabianB: mircea_popescu: also proxy discovery included now :)
mircea_popescu: irc logging is a good idea. include a ticker to bold my lines ? :D
mircea_popescu: "If bank places by mistake 10k into your account, and you cash it out, your will probably rot in jail.."
dub: thats true, at least here
pigeons: if you dont give it back you will
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's just the conversation of MPEx.rb with the irc bots, not of this channel
jcpham: if the pool with the most hashrate is mining on a non -up-to-date copy of the blockchain
mircea_popescu: dub they will have to sue for unjust enrichment. they may win it,
gesell: mircea_popescu: why not use google spreadsheets for graphs and orderbook review?
pigeons: which is why mp lost in his own hand picked rota
gesell: in that scenerio you would script updates (not pull from an api, as this might overrun google apps limits)
mircea_popescu: pigeons not really true. they always will try to convince the person to return it
mircea_popescu: but afaik such claims are rare. usually cost more to sue than they'd get
pigeons: really, absoulutely trye. give me one example where its not
mircea_popescu: gesell you can go right ahead, or what are you asking ?
kakobrekla: i have seen it happen here and the bank gets the money back one way or another
pigeons: ive seen plenty where it is true, none where it isnt
mircea_popescu: pigeons you've seen a case where a bank sued the recipient of an error for unjust enrichment ?
dub: pretty sure its straight up law here
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01401 BTC [-]
dub: bank fucks up, give it back or the police come get you
gesell: mircea_popescu: well i would be happy to make some spreadsheets to pull the order books but this would require some sort of mpex api (json or xml or whatever) for that and again, leave you open to ddos. but if you pushed the data onto your own public spreadsheet you would avoid any ddos on your public facing graphs and orderbooks
pigeons: dont have my lexisnexis here
gesell: mircea_popescu: not in bit. checking again
gesell: oh didnt see the sierra chart feed
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla has a websocket feed he's been selling people.
gesell: mircea_popescu: are those feeds not effected by the ddos?
mircea_popescu: nothing's affected other than the website which people somehow get fixated on.
gesell: mircea_popescu: it's the face. but is interesting to contemplate what that means and reshaping it.
gesell: mircea_popescu: well its also strange that the proxy seems to be a mirror. as apposed to it being it's own form of interface.
FabianB: well stock trading volume went down, but never stopped; options as usual
gesell: if the face effects trades then, well, recovery should be monitored. and hopefully there is recovery
pigeons: and people can learn to trade anyway
smickles: so the ddoser's name is "the face"?
gesell: mircea_popescu: for lack of a better comparison... say for instance that some brokerage firm was had their own interface to nyse showing trades and tickers. this would "feel" decoupled from the excchange itself so people would not associate the two. if nyse decided to change how they present themselves that brokerage face would not be percieved as, i dont know, a quick crutch to fill the gap. where as when it is mirroring nyse so closely
gesell: mircea_popescu: hobby web dev for aesthetics. serious code and hardware hacker for the $
pigeons: basically, mircea_popescu does not care how it "feels"
gesell: hacker meaning reverse engineer (meaning, f;ing serious)
gesell: pigeons: even if he doesnt care. it is still interesting to consider what the market effects of change of face are, and where the middle ground is, and where there is space to innovate in a intuitive way. or maybe there isnt really
smickles: gesell: did you notice that my mpexbot has a direct line into mpex, yet doesn't look like a mirror?
mircea_popescu: pigeons that is exactly the opposite of reality. i very much care how it feels. which is why the proxy doesn't have spurious dongles, but feels just like the real tihng.
gesell: pigeons: if change of face did effect trade volume, that is interesting to explore
mircea_popescu: what i don't care about is appearance bullshit. there's a very good reason for that : unlike the web, the retail market for plastic figurines and fake fags,
gesell: smickles: yeah mpexbot... so it could be that just as mpex forces people to understand that the odd security model is better (and forces people to learn why and learn what pgp is) maybe it is of value to force them to use a different interface in a similar way. but the cause and effect is not as clear with the Web vs Mpexbot, as it was with the gpg protocol
mircea_popescu: for some reason i have a lot of trouble following this guy.
smickles: mircea_popescu: that mpex gui i'm developing is nearly functionally complete
mircea_popescu: what do they feed you over there, uppers in speedball sauce ?
FabianB: gesell: in both cases you need gpg to trade
smickles: pigeons: not minecraft, but opengl like was discussed yesterday
gesell: mircea_popescu: not sure. i think i just dont explain abstract thoughts well.
pigeons: i want bricks of some sort then
mircea_popescu: pigeons lemme quote a person familiar with the matter, for your benefit :
gesell: smickles: is that QT based?
mircea_popescu: "i get the feeling ima wake up one of these days and like there will be a little mpex anthill, and mpex transaction wallpaint and i can order a stat from the magazin alimentar"
gesell: then i hope the buy button creates a buy event on button down and not button released ;)
smickles: gesell: it's a toolkit which uses opengl, i don't know too much about it
smickles: and that i should be able to make binaries for win, mac, linux and android with it
smickles: gesell: aw, i picked button released, is that bad?
gesell: smickles: yes, they people on upper speedball sauce will have to click for each buy whereas on button down they could just Hooooooold and buy shit loads
smickles: lol, well, the buy button goes to a detailed asset page with price and quantity inputs
smickles: yeah, i'd figure you'd want to know the best ask if you planned to buy
dub: this is mpex, we invest for the future, regardless of price
smickles: i have that one drawn up right now. left side full depth (scrollable) right 2/3's has details up at top and input middle, confirmation button at bottom
gesell: kivy is interesting. new to me
dub: if you care about price you are the wrong kind of investor
smickles: also, the thing is proxy aware and checks for updated proxy lists
smickles: that is how botnets work tho, isn't it?
smickles: i think i've lost every bitbet bet i've made
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i can make you a special 'yes and no is switched' interface
mircea_popescu: if person clicks it site is color switched (everything)
mircea_popescu: and yes/no also switched in menus but not in actual effect.
mircea_popescu: dude i'm asking you for the difficult, you're asking me for the impossible.
mircea_popescu: maybe i should upgrade the php proxies to also forward mail.
pigeons: i'm down with finger instead of this twitter stuff
smickles: haha, come to mpexbot to check your email !
smickles: $mail \n <mpexbot> 3 ways to a larger PENIS
mircea_popescu: it should have a list. if person is not on that list, "You're not cool enough for this service sorry."
mpexbot: and if you can, hire a group to make it happenj
mircea_popescu: you can charge like .01 btc for lifetime membership or something
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00999 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
dub: you goddamn hacker how did you get my password
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "slab" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.16000, Best ask: 48.18310, Bid-ask spread: 0.02310, Last trade: 48.16000, 24 hour volume: 41803.52824419, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.48502
gesell: its a shame geocities is down. mpex hosted via geocities would just be perfect
dub: I swear its synergy throwing away half my keystrokes
mpexbot: smickles: No new messages received.
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
mpexbot: smickles: depth, email, post, proxies, and vwap
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i assume all email revenue goes to making mpex aesthetic improvements
smickles: the list just keeps growing. In two weeks, we'll have something like nano's gribble on our hands
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: No new messages received.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.19322, Best ask: 48.19341, Bid-ask spread: 0.00019, Last trade: 48.19322, 24 hour volume: 41895.49680393, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.48907
FabianB: thank you maximian, if that was you
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
gesell: what tha, btc24 now second largest exchange? that was fast
gesell: beh, they got their own bots on the exchnage <shakes fist> not that it matters
gesell: not sure how bitdata compiled that chart. it isnt eur specific
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 192 @ 0.19228973 = 36.9196 BTC [+]
gesell: puts bitstamp and btc24 at %2 behind mtgox both
gesell: i swear to god they have their own bots running on the exchange. not sure what the objective is but see some bots responding with <200ms timing
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.10003, Best ask: 48.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 48.19000, 24 hour volume: 41520.07762161, 24 hour low: 45.47100, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.51308
gesell: perhaps. just mapped their bots edges and it tends to push it's own reserve volume over other bids that it thinks are too low
gesell: up to a certain limit, perhaps set based on numbers of averages on other exchnages
gesell: maybe its an arbitrage protection bot, or not sure
mircea_popescu: have everyone entering fake trades based on the other people's fake trades averages
mircea_popescu: in fact it's probably the main source of volatility atm
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.19999 = 0.8 BTC [-]
gesell: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by fake trades? I think on btc24, unlike mtgox, if you buy your fiat gets locked and you cant make another order. same on sell. of course their own local bots could fake, but i could not prove this. and actually they wouldnt have to fake, if all they really want to do is some moderate protection from arbitrage
mircea_popescu: and it is feeding it from the trades on other exchanges
mircea_popescu: the net result is a positive feedback loop of great danger
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
gesell: mircea_popescu: i cant wrap my head around how that would all play out. just assume before running any bot one would make comfortable limits, and some way to guage when things are getting out of control so you know when to turn off
gesell: other than being hacked dont remember bitcoinica gaming the market
gesell: mircea_popescu: havent no
benkay: tempted to pause timer and read
benkay: but also would like to close out workblock, make commits, email people "yay" and go play with dog and lady
mircea_popescu: such balance is apparent in the sorting of the [dog ; lady] set.
benkay: maybe i alpha sort everything on the outfeed, huh?
benkay: in reality, dog needs tiring first
mircea_popescu: PSA : starting yest MPEx is adding 0.001 fee to all txs, whether needed or not (it's almost never actually needed). Support teh network!
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.00557 = 0.1671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: reading a digest of the bitcoin-dev chan, i am struck by how incredibly pompous these people are.
mircea_popescu: seriously know. who told them they know shit and when exactly ?!
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00524 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01987 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 11 @ 0.01988 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1796 = 0.3592 BTC [-]
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mircea_popescu: would it be possible for the bot to keep a count of the chat lines during past 5 minutes and send that response by pm if value > 50 ?
mircea_popescu: and also send it by pm if it's been sent to the main chat during the past 1 hr
smickles: it would be easist to just send it to pm
smickles: do you think it's spammy as is?
kakobrekla: also side note, pm is short for 'picku mater' which roughty translates for 'mothers cunt'
smickles: well, kakobrekla if you think people are using it too often, let me know and I will switch it to pm response
kakobrekla: wait so one must use it 5 times an hour ?
smickles: yup, also, i added email service to mpexbot
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: kakobrekla: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
dub: ;;echo $depth s.mpoe
mpexbot: gribble: Bids: ['5 @ 73163', '5539 @ 73162', '4961 @ 72543', '10000 @ 71102', '10000 @ 70102']
mpexbot: gribble: Asks: ['502 @ 76717', '12095 @ 76718', '1399 @ 77988', '54540 @ 77999', '500000 @ 78000']
smickles: i might need to fiddle with the 'abuse' configs
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['100 @ 530012', '81 @ 530011', '800 @ 530000', '500 @ 520000', '10 @ 520000']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['9299 @ 569996', '1000 @ 569997', '2000 @ 570000', '148 @ 599990', '48346 @ 600000']
mircea_popescu: evoorhees good thinking on upping the you lost returns.
pigeons: yeah be careful with the big bucks till the fork is resolved
pigeons: satoshi dice pausing till resolved
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 8 @ 0.1796 = 1.4368 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.75902, Best ask: 47.83005, Bid-ask spread: 0.07103, Last trade: 47.83005, 24 hour volume: 42125.00556719, 24 hour low: 45.54000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.65497
dub: now would be a great time to dos guild
dub: any kids watching? :)
mircea_popescu: is this fork in any way related to the two asic miners ?
mircea_popescu: ie, is one avalon sponsored and the other am sponsored ?
dub: no its a block size issue affecting BDB in 0.7
dub: 0.8 is unaffected so 0.7 and 0.8 miners have forked
mircea_popescu: as in, "it's a blocksize issue we've introduced with 0.8"
dub: fix is to move majority hashing back to 0.7
jcpham: anyone want to help me with a e-poll
dub: so if guild went down now it would be teh bitpocalypse
jcpham: it has real world results
gribble: 1 BTC = 47.70000 U.S. dollars = 36.6923077 Euros
dub: mircea_popescu: its a previously unheard of issue with BDB, the block size triggered it
mircea_popescu: jesus passing the buck is like a tradition in bitcoin-devtalk
dub: mircea_popescu: well no, dice fucked up the blockchain
dub: by creating blocks too big for 0.7
mircea_popescu: "let's hide the fact that we suck at coding by falsely accusing someone else of doing things such as trying to externalise their costs on others"\
dub: we only know about it because half the network is on 0.8
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.774998 = 1.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: seems like they could really fuck things up from this point still
jcpham: top three bands get to play
jcpham: trying to make sure my frind's band plays
jcpham: its a big venue for him
dub: fixing the network to make dice fit is the trigger
dub: mircea_popescu: big blocks are the problem here
dub: but I can see you are decided
dub: because the problem is increasing teh blocksize not 0.8
mircea_popescu: this is the same coolaid of saying "sd is hte problem"
dub: because 0.7 nodes can't handle them
mircea_popescu: no dood. the problem is bad code, not the real world constraints that expose it sucks.
dub: because the database sucks
pigeons: because the bug in BDB wasn't encountered before because the number of transactions in a block that trigger it wasnt valid before
dub: <evoorhees> Okay SatoshiDice is on pause now. Receiving bets but not processing anything.
mircea_popescu: so what, we write bugs and that's ok if nobody forces our nose in it "?
mircea_popescu: cause we're too busy acting the knowful shitheads on -dev ?
dub: I think its too early to know if its bdb itself or bitcoins implementation
mircea_popescu: how about bitcoin implementing something that failed is on the devs
mircea_popescu: it's not tested enough to release yet, do not release it.
mircea_popescu: what is this, 1955, we're discovering software engineering ?
dub: im just annoyed that we're not at $2 yet
dub: come on guys, its panic time if ever there was
mircea_popescu: i'm sick and tired of the young cocks circlejerk attitude.
jcpham: let's see how this plays out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.56 = 2.8 BTC [+]
dub: speakign of circlejerk
dub: fucking assholes now want to talk about my offer after a week of bullshit
dub: and I'm now ready to buy a different house
gribble: Current Blocks: 225435 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 356 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 5496120.07656 based on data for last three days
dub: 0 diff would be neat
ThickAsThieves: so if they are forked, then anyone mining the dropped fork is fukt
ThickAsThieves: and anyone helping to push the old fork gets super low diff
dub: gox better not stop this crash
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.50110, Best ask: 45.60134, Bid-ask spread: 0.10024, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 55914.86095949, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 47.30466
mircea_popescu: trading can in principle continuewith what they have deposited in btc and freely on usd.
dub: whois defunctzombie?
dub: he'so offering to halt trading if gox does
pigeons: and halted processing deposits
dub: blockchain is firked
Chaang-Noi: what is the news with gox, just woke up?
dub: bitcoin forked into 0.7 and 0.8 chains
Ukto: pools were todl to increase blocksize
dub: pools are rolling back to 0.7 to fix
Ukto: someo made them too big
Ukto: and olrder clients shat themselves
Chaang-Noi: so coins in our new clients are they gone?
Ukto: Chaang-Noi: that depends on what happens after blockchain merger
Ukto: mircea_popescu is correct
Ukto: but put things on hold
pigeons: everyone go take a walk and get some food and come bac in a few hours
Chaang-Noi: glad i has 150,000 as a back up crypto currancy
mod6: heh you sold 50k 'eh
dub: mircea_popescu: loving the WTC ref
pigeons: yeah ltc could never get this bug because that many transactions in litecoin would never propogate quickly enough to get included in a block
Chaang-Noi: i have not made a btc payment for about 12 hours, will this make me saffer even if i use the new client?
Chaang-Noi: is there a link with more info on the forum or something?
davos: meh - its only down 4, less than 10%
mircea_popescu: crediting incomingpayments may be unsafe, if they are doublespent across the forks
mircea_popescu: and then they merge into one that doesn't include you being paid.
davos: and wrong chat. =D
Chaang-Noi: mp i sold 50k ltc yesterday for btc, odds on this being accepted?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.12000, Best ask: 44.50000, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 43.12000, 24 hour volume: 62664.75566320, 24 hour low: 43.12000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.92695
Bowjob: All right, what the fuck is going on
Bowjob: This is a huge blow to bitcoin. WTF I thought its supposed to be secure
BitHub: bitcoin been failing a bit lately
BitHub: alot of flaws being exposed
Ukto: this will rpolyl drive ltc prices up
Ukto: almost done with my mini ltc project
BitHub: mircea do you think the bitcoin foundation will pay out a compensation? lul
mircea_popescu: BitHub i'd be more than happy if the usual pompous idiots came out with an apology.
BitHub: mircea who's fault is it?
dub: mircea_popescu: you know the answer right
dub: mircea_popescu: because 'not ready for primetime'
dub: mircea_popescu: its obvious they don't want adoption
Bowjob: wow.. what will the institutional investors think
mircea_popescu: dub yes, they want it forever this niche toy where they matter.
dub: mircea_popescu: at least for the next 100 years
mircea_popescu: when i told them they'll be pushed aside coupla months ago i guess they groked it
BitHub: all good, but yeah, makes me think they could just do this sort of stuff on purpose just to manipulate the price
mircea_popescu: BitHub they're for the most part not intelligent enough to understand the point or value of money.
BitHub: to be honest i have noticed the lack of like really really god like programmers
dub: oh this is gettgin good
dub: you cant downgrade to 0.7
dub: without prev blkindex
BitHub: yeah where is Lord Satoshi?
BitHub: he needs to come in and fix these n00bs mistake
mircea_popescu: the only way is basically foer the people who upgraded to downtime
dub: and no reindex in 0.7 so you have to download and validate the chain
dub: which workd REALLY WELL
BitHub: lul @ In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots
dub: BitHub: they kinda are
smickles: i've got an uptodate .7 chain for s2cm funds
BitHub: ima have to read this :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.00000, Best ask: 45.10989, Bid-ask spread: 0.10989, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 66465.70498496, 24 hour low: 43.11000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.77472
smickles: ;;sell 1 "0.7 blockchain" @ 50 btc
Bowjob: this actually scares me.. that bitcoin can be compromised like this
mod6: there you go smickles
Bowjob: I thought we're supposed to be unhackable and shit
BitHub: its getting scammy hey
BitHub: the pyramid is being exposed
Bowjob: Everyone move to lite coin!
mod6: i've got a chain that was last updated dec 29th...
BitHub: just email your wallet.dat to the bitcoin foundation tell them they've won and then hang yourself
Bowjob: Umm I'm using electrum does it run ot 0.08
evoorhees: Bowjob don't be a fool. If you actually saw the devs react to this and remedy it, you'd be very impressed
evoorhees: it's how resilient btc is in the face of them that matters
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: have you considered hiring people to work on it?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 suppose bitcoin was written by mpex devs.
dub: bitcoin is so resilient it only took one satoshidice to break it
Bowjob: btc-e trollbox is celebrating
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of intrinsic strength in the open and independent dev model.
BitHub: hand the code over to bill gates
mircea_popescu: the problem is that much like anything else of the kind, it depends on keeping politics low.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia for instance is similar, and failed for similar reasons.
gesell: mircea_popescu: shorting possitions on mpex?
BitHub: politics, emotions, egos
vampireb: well not a bitcoin issue, the old db was a problem
smickles: gesell: you want to short s.mpoe?
BitHub: why doesn't the bitcoin foundation use all that money to actually hire proper programmers
BitHub: with resumes and stuff
vampireb: hmm? start what? i read pleter's explanation, what isnt clear?
Bowjob: are asics safe and compatible after this?
mircea_popescu: vampireb read up the context in the channel you're talking.
BitHub: isn't that the foundation job? or not really?
gesell: will this spill over into the discussion of soft limits and sdice foo?
Bowjob: k thats all i care about
dub: gesell: this will spill over into all manner of discussion
mircea_popescu: this will probably be the foundation of all further discussions
smickles: well, if anyone want's to short s.mpoe, i have a fair amout of shares available
BitHub: what is the point of the foundation
dub: BitHub: they supply the biscuit
vampireb: i dont have the context, but ok
dub: the one in the middle
mircea_popescu: you make an upgrade that fucks up the network, it's not the db, it's not satoshi, it;s you.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01000, Best ask: 45.90277, Bid-ask spread: 0.89277, Last trade: 46.50000, 24 hour volume: 70342.96544144, 24 hour low: 43.11000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.71424
benkay: did testnet testing not catch this due to atomic transaction size blah blah?
vampireb: well guess what, that's why when I last time I met gavin he was looking to hire QA
dub: it was over 2000 last night
dub: with no volume at all
dub: I've only seen it >9000 once
dub: but today would be a good candidate
dub: if the 20k failsafe is still there
smickles: "an easy way to do it is to go to home depot with 5 usd, buy stuff to make it happenj"
gribble: Error: "proxies" is not a valid command.
gesell: dub: 20k failsafe means what?
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00530001 / 0.00552804 / 0.0059998 (11830 shares, 65.40 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00514724 / 0.006 (228107 shares, 1,174.12 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00614247 / 0.0069 (2518785 shares, 15,471.58 BTC)
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['100 @ 530012', '81 @ 530011', '800 @ 530000', '500 @ 520000', '10 @ 520000']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['9299 @ 569996', '1000 @ 569997', '2000 @ 570000', '148 @ 599990', '48346 @ 600000']
Bowjob: now lucif is gonna make some bullshit up how he calculated this could happen
Bowjob: and we're gonna look like emperors with no clothes
mircea_popescu: vampireb so he was looking to hire a qa. good for him.
benkay: too bad he never got around to it.
vampireb: well devs dont wanna do qa, and u can't really qa your own shit
Bowjob: meanwhile, LTC is surging
vampireb: so what? it isn't the end of the world. a minor hiccup
smickles: "Every be very careful about accepting any transactions for the the next few hours" << what is that supposed to mean :P
benkay: i'd take a bearish position on ltc, settled next month...
the-bucket-shop: never let a tragedy go to waste fellas. Plaster Satoshi Dice's name all over the news and posts if you can.
vampireb: the result: bitcoin foundation would be promoted as a saviour
BitHub: it not the end of the world?
mircea_popescu: smickles that incoming txs might be wiped on fork merge
mircea_popescu: vampireb it's hopefully the end of a certain misplace attitude.
gesell: the-bucket-shop: what do you mean?
gesell: also, what effect would this split have on hash/mining opporutunities?
gesell: brief opportunities if that
mircea_popescu: if it's not temporary then there's no mining oportunities
smickles: mircea_popescu: i know, but how would you be careful about it. seems binary to me
mircea_popescu: im not processing incoming on mpex till its resolved for instance.
gesell: mircea_popescu: even if it is, it will take time for everyone to get on the proper chain, no... since apparently some versions will have to upgrade
benkay: i'm out. this shit's boring.
mircea_popescu: (course i have the advantaghe that my system is designed so such things don't affect me)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.50000, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 43.10000, 24 hour volume: 75255.63737110, 24 hour low: 43.10000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.55735
vampireb: ah good that i sold at 47. need to figure when to rebuy
gesell: so, just trying to understand this. how is mtgox processing tx's now. this effects minders and merchants, not exchanges?
dub: <dub> im buying at $10
smickles: gsi don't think they are processing deposits/withdrawals
vampireb: you can trade with existing funds
dub: they dont process tx
dub: unless you fund or withdraw
dub: which is frozen iirc
gesell: dub: perhaps i got the wrong term. if miners and merchants are told to wait, why not exchanges?
Chaang-Noi: ltc now at all time high to btc, and well over its old all time high to fiat
gesell: im trying to guage if there will be a queu of sells waiting to flood through exchanges once things get back to speed
mircea_popescu: withdrawals are fine, but prolly people aren't doing it just to be safe.
dub: gesell: there will, and wait till it hits the press
dub: I think $10 might be a bit bullish
Bowjob: I'm dropping down 200 BTC
pizzaman1337: well, I can't wait to get myself some cheap coins if it drops
gesell: so its a selfish question now but ive always invested long term. and now im wondering if its time to pull and wait
Bowjob: pull put. i'll sell 200 BTC for 8k
the-bucket-shop: still 25 coins every 10 minutes as far as I know. long term should be good gesell
gesell: the-bucket-shop: the long term is great. but the bible says to be a good steward with your money so im just wondering if im being a total idiot just holding at this point
gribble: #13963 Mon Mar 11 18:45:10 2013 smickles SELL 1.0 0.7 blockchain @ 50 btc (None)
gesell: what are you selling smickles, dont get it
gesell: just selling the dat files? huh
smickles: gesell: because of the current situation, people who are on .8 and want .7 need to redownload the chain
Bowjob: heck ill sell for $13.29
smickles: a direct transfer from me to them would be a lot faster
gesell: im on 0.7 with last update 25 days ago
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.20000, Best ask: 43.20758, Bid-ask spread: 0.00758, Last trade: 43.20000, 24 hour volume: 81127.52521536, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.26895
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
mpexbot: smickles: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'4086787592', u'max': u'5325215905', u'vsa': u'954675808260', u'vsh': u'no', u'avg': u'5157005239'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
dub: its just a correction
Bowjob: we need to summon satoshi
gesell: does delay translate to some meaningful guage of load on gox?
toffoo: help me satoshi nakamoto, you're our only hope
mod6: only options today were 192 CALL @ 47
dub: gesell: it translates to 'gox is incapable of handling moderate load'
gesell: hmm, any predictions on bit bets effected by this
dub: gesell: alternatively 'bitcoin is a joke'
mircea_popescu: "what the average metro payment terminal in tokyo processes"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.00000, Best ask: 42.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 42.99000, 24 hour volume: 82087.73745767, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 46.19856
dub: No cause we're too cool for testnet and elbow grease, gotta spend 16 hours a day on -dev talking about what we think of Satoshi Dice and how many whales fatass Gmaxwell could swallow whole.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 10 @ 0.79079695 = 7.908 BTC [-]
mod6: bunch of cock-meat sandwiches
dub: man, if those ddos kids were on to it
dub: they could REALLY fuck shit up right now
smickles: i see that as a goos ~8 btc spent
ThickAsThieves: so in a situation like this, where the usd/btc may fall on confidence, am i safer being mostly invested in assets?
davout: why are you guys even here
davout: all the cool kids are on bitcoin-dev
gesell: davout: to take advantage of fallouts?
smickles: ThickAsThieves: if a significat amount of investors view their assets in terms of usd, then mebbe
smickles: mircea_popescu: no, this was clearly the time to <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 10 @ 0.79079695 = 7.908 BTC [-]
davout: bitcoin just became fun again
the-bucket-shop: I think s.dice and bitvps would benefit. except that s.dice money faucet is turned off.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i bought them, if the bc,24hprc moves to the current spot, they break even
smickles: wasn't it over 1500 goxlag the other day
gesell: by all intents and purposes this is most definitely a crash
smickles: lol, coinbr down. mpex.coinbr up
davout: is mtgox even still trading ?
dub: crash comes when the media wakes up
smickles: mircea_popescu: i also have those p310t's i bought a while back
davout: dub: not necessarily if it was taken care of quickly
Bowjob: All right, I'm not panicking. Stay frosty
gesell: Bowjob: don't panik, just buy when it all settles
gesell: i shouldnt give any advice. i dont know jack. but i will hedge a little when it bottoms out anyway, for myself
smickles: best thing to do now is buy beer with bitcoin
gribble: Error: "ticer" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.21110, Best ask: 41.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18890, Last trade: 41.40000, 24 hour volume: 86823.51454120, 24 hour low: 41.20000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.94411
dub: gox is trying to trade as always
Bowjob: actually, I could sell a few coins and buy back cheaper
dub: the little trading engine that could
Chaang-Noi: odd 12 ours oga this chan was dead as dead, wake up to panic, ahhh btc :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.60269, Best ask: 41.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.59731, Last trade: 41.20000, 24 hour volume: 91789.11504056, 24 hour low: 40.01110, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.66073
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.37260, Best ask: 40.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12740, Last trade: 40.50000, 24 hour volume: 91802.34794623, 24 hour low: 40.01110, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.65939
Chaang-Noi: gox cant fall to far..people cant send gox coins to sell :)
wiggzz: so what're the running odds that puts on mpex actually pay out if btc crashes very low?
pizzaman1337: Chaang-Noi: but when they open it up, there could be a selloff
mircea_popescu: yes, the only way to write them is by depositing capital
Chaang-Noi: after 6 trasactions could be a sell off yes... but people seeing it is fixed will be like, cheap coinz!!!!!!!
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure i know how this drama will play out
wiggzz: but, on a put required capital is not as great as they can fall
Chaang-Noi: fiat in the gox will beat the 6 confirm sell off
gesell: something that really disturbs me right now is the number of way overpriced buy bids still sitting on bitcoin.de (a p2p exchange with pretty high volume)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 10 @ 0.1721919 = 1.7219 BTC
Chaang-Noi: even if we go to $25 we will bounce right back up if this shit gets sorted quickly
gesell: mtgox price is at 31eu but you could still sell on bitcoin.de for 36
pizzaman1337: Chaang-Noi: as soon as the 0.7 chain is longer, I think. Not sure how far behind it is.
Chaang-Noi: yeah id like to know the leanth of the chains
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 40.01000, Best ask: 40.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 40.01000, 24 hour volume: 92084.38009144, 24 hour low: 40.01000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.64045
gesell: im a bit worried selling on bitcoin.de though because if the buyer doesnt care to loose a bit of reputation they could just backout
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i would guess it will be solved within a couple of hourd.
gesell: 35, really? what, end of the month or just tomorrow or something?
Chaang-Noi: okay, ill go pay insurance for my truck.. and ship off some wild honey... i need to get afk anyway:)
gesell: the thing with the bitcoin market is the reaction extends over a long period. so what you see happening now will continue in a similar manner with the EU wakes up
wiggzz: right, but in BTC the required collateral was only strike / spot
gesell: ive watched it happen. a lul for a few hours then around 10am de time (8 9 whatever UK) a lot of activity
Bowjob: ;;eightball Is this the end for bitcoin?
Bowjob: The eightball has spoken!
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: I'm not really relevant, but most of the time I'm over there
Bowjob: Everyone quit panicking, its just a few blocks. Tomorrow, we shall see $50
Chaang-Noi: davout> Chaang-Noi: approx 12 blocks difference
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 i was just messing with gesell
gesell: Bowjob: im not paniking. just aknowledging that the market is filled with a significant number of people investing more short term that will panik
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.00000, Best ask: 40.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 99762.92721491, 24 hour low: 38.01051, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.12452
smickles: wiggzz: the additions funds needed would probably come from mpbor
wiggzz: say you write a put at 21, with USDBTC at 40, required collateral is 0.525 BTC?
wiggzz: but if USDBTC drops to 1, payout is 20 USD which would be 20 BTC... way more than required collateral?
smickles: wiggzz: the mpbor assumes the risk of mpex options
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.14725493 = 147.2549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.17572879 = 175.7288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 51.57005239 / 53.25215905 (no shares, 9,546.76 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.90000, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 101521.68067860, 24 hour low: 37.90000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00561
mircea_popescu: wiggzz that issue is taken care of by a little insurance premium on oputs issuance
mircea_popescu: and in exchange i settle puts in fiat in case of utter collapse
gribble: There are currently 33593.186 bitcoins demanded at or over 31.0 USD, worth 1149514.37586 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0061 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.15522008 = 155.2201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.18486613 = 184.8661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.1040628 = 104.0628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.12826263 = 128.2626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 51.57005239 / 53.25215905 (no shares, 9,546.76 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that unchanged on the 7day?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 37.80000, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 101597.26956421, 24 hour low: 37.80000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 45.00044
mpexbot: smickles: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'4086787592', u'max': u'5325215905', u'vsa': u'954675808260', u'vsh': u'no', u'avg': u'5157005239'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
wiggzz: bitcoin.clarkmoody.com down...
dub: nicely scaling there gox
kakobrekla: so gox is turning in historcial btc chart reading site
Bowjob: how much will BTC drop by do you think
kakobrekla: serious tranders dont suffer shit like this
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 7 @ 0.12612881 = 0.8829 BTC [-]
gesell: kakobrekla: first, im sorry this is all happening. im sure it is ruining some peoples day. but why do you see it as a mtgox problem?
Chaang-Noi: pigeons see my link, i found that helpful
smickles: gesell: traditional markes shut down at times like these
kakobrekla: do you go to your FX broker to get it?
dub: whats a time like this for traditional markets?
kakobrekla: or do you go on the trading floor yourself
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 1 @ 0.17769942 BTC [-]
gesell: kakobrekla: sorry, im not following
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 9 @ 0.12120114 = 1.0908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.10590572 = 105.9057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.15775711 = 157.7571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.13044382 = 130.4438 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.68160, Best ask: 38.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.31840, Last trade: 38.00000, 24 hour volume: 105824.64907266, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.68534
Bowjob: Are we allowed to do transactions
smickles: it might be risky on the chain tho
gesell: i dont know, im not a fan of kill switches so i'd like to see bitcoin-dev's learn from this so that similar bugs in the future can be handled without shutting anything down
Bowjob: I can sell coins now at 38.50 now
Bowjob: before this shit blows out of proportions
gesell: ;;goxlag-but-make-it-intersting-please
gribble: Error: "goxlag-but-make-it-intersting-please" is not a valid command.
smickles: gesell: i think most btc exchanges are anti-killswitch
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.08420338 = 84.2034 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 39.01138, Best ask: 40.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.98862, Last trade: 40.00000, 24 hour volume: 107876.01377001, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.55733
gesell: question... so just curious would the initial errors that 0.7 clients were reporting (
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=30587843) that sipa mentions, would those just be bug reports to bitcointalk or to sourceforge bug tracker or? just curious where alerts of such issues before its plastered everywhere would come from
gesell: did anyone see where this first started and was coming to the surface?
the-bucket-shop: blockchain.info is still scrolling satoshidice bets. I wonder which blockchain
dub: they only disabled payouts
gesell: i wonder if apart from the discussion about soft limits, we will also start to see features that give more oversight and regulation, even if more symbolic than bernanke like. such letting bitcoin-dev patch or blacklist more quickly or perhaps at will
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 23 @ 0.86122741 = 19.8082 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Aight, I guaratneed 75 BTC to be sold at.. $2799
Bowjob: lets see what happenes
dub: gesell: the attitude of the dev team has always been that bitcoin is their little science experiment and its not intended for production
Uglux: <satoshinakamoto> I'm back to save the day
gesell: dub: i dont think my statement disagress with that at all. just looking at new horizons for the experiment
dub: you're going to have a hard time selling these guys oversight
gesell: dub: i agree. if it comes though it would be slowly and with a different label
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 42.65559, Bid-ask spread: 0.05559, Last trade: 42.60000, 24 hour volume: 109984.04612509, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.45198
gesell: this event is fascinating actually
vampireb: not recovered, there still a fork.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.60000, Best ask: 42.72770, Bid-ask spread: 0.12770, Last trade: 42.60000, 24 hour volume: 109893.67866310, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.44885
gribble: Current Blocks: 225452 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 46.86 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 34 seconds
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
Bowjob: erm, i shoulda asked a yes or no q
gesell: blacklistblock = regulation. though peer agreed. which is fascinating because we do not have such language in traditional finance
gesell: or we do but a bit more abstracted and not so clear as it is here
kakobrekla: pres B for left side and S for right side
Bowjob: Maybe Satoshi is looking from afar
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.03000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 111563.57296537, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.44028
gesell: just for the record the drop started at 2:41am GMT+1 (had some logs)
davos: Bowjob: I'd rather put money on satoshi being 2 or 3 people over in -dev
Bowjob: ;;eightball Is Satoshi Nakamoto 1 person?
gribble: What are you asking me for?
gesell: "(04:04:59) gmaxwell: jeffgarzik is /msging me telling me that jgarzik is an imposter." --- heh, and people still have the heart to troll. oh internets
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00000039 / 0.00000053 / 0.00000053 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's up with that?
mircea_popescu: just... the weight of the calls sold is so much heavier than the weight of the puts bought just now
Bowjob: so its still bullish btc?
smickles: mircea_popescu: isn't it off by about 8 digits?
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.89104856 / 0.00000053 / 53.27237035 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.89104856 / 53.82025731 / 53.27237035 (50897 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: your blog fails to load
BitHub: how many hours till next asicminer divy?
topace_: jesus whats going on with the blockchain??
kakobrekla: bitcoin split, price crashed all while you were takign a piss
BitHub: safe to recieve payments again?
smickles: you ought to wait until the .7 (short) chain grows longer than the main chain
smickles: and some miners are still adding to the main chain
ThickAsThieves: Schrödinger's BitBet - This bet will have more total BTC bet on Yes than on No before it closes.
smickles: and there is still confusion among the devs
BitHub: so if someone sends me coins now they're gone for good?
ThickAsThieves: the bet has a fault, or a bonus depending on how you look at it
kakobrekla: imho they will be respendable with the longer chain not containing that tx
kakobrekla: which mean a few bitbets will have to be invalidated
kakobrekla: >The risk is small because this is not a network split-- transactions are being sent to both sides of the chain split, and it is unlikely (but possible) that somebody could get two versions of the same transaction into the two sides of the chain.
smickles: < BitHub> so if someone sends me coins now they're gone for good? << no, it's up to which chain it's included in
kakobrekla: totoally oposite of bitcoin in general.
mircea_popescu: and it is unlikely (but possible) <><< yeah. they know.
mircea_popescu: what is the barrier to entry to this, make two txs,b roadcast it to two diff nodes.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01000, Best ask: 45.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.88900, Last trade: 45.00000, 24 hour volume: 119265.24377758, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.50395
topace_: how can you tell if your bitcoin daemon is on the right chain?
smickles: topace_: as a regualr user, i dunno. but it'll switch over automatically when the .7 chain is longer
mircea_popescu: you just emit txs. the miners add them on their mempools
smickles: right now, you can 'bitcoind getinfo' and look at the height. current 'wrong' chain is at 225453, .7 is at 225442
smickles: kakobrekla: but the differenc will be more and more difficult to tell soon
mircea_popescu: good luck getting the miners to accept a 14 block loss
smickles: mircea_popescu: some arn't, the largest pools are
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it prolly destroyes those unfortunate fucks that paid out on the 0 diff
smickles: mircea_popescu: it mined a block sized larger than 250k
mircea_popescu: the wrong chain is lionger yet you're telling me the miners are moving.
smickles: the wrong one mined a block which .7 clients couldn't see
dub: good day for not being the guild pool op
smickles: mircea_popescu: look at blockchain.info, the major pools are mining an orphaned chain
kakobrekla: well bitbet seems to be on the right one
smickles: the orphaned chain is the 'right' one
mircea_popescu: let me guess... so the longer chain is the wrong one. because that's why it's longer
smickles: yeah, gotta love all those peeps encouraging the pool ops to mine blocks larger than 250k b/c of SD
smickles: they mined on the 'wrong' one for some time b/f peeps realized there was a problem
smickles: now the 'right' one is trying to catch up
Bowjob: i thoguht its solved already
mircea_popescu: i love the various people on bitcointalk trying to move the conversation
smickles: Bowjob: they have a band=aid fix, revert to the old chain
mircea_popescu: anything and everything shall be discussed, but god forbid someone gets bitchslapped
Bowjob: and i hope everyone is actually mining on the 0.72 chain
gribble: Current Blocks: 225453 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 338 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
smickles: if i had enough coins to justify it, i might run one of each
smickles: ya know, there's a chance this band-aid fix won't work, the .8 chain looks like it might be going faster than the .7
error4733: BFL_Josh : 11 March 2013 Update : Say what you want about BFL, but we make ASICs look good.
Bowjob: They make Avalon look good
Bowjob: heck, Avalons come with gloves
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 15 @ 0.81355 = 12.2033 BTC [-]
Bowjob: watching this is entertaining as fuck
PeterL: The 'right' chain is definately catching up to the 'wrong' one
PeterL: I think in the past hour the 'right' chain has gone up 5 blocks, the 'wrong' one has gone up 2
smickles: ah, i think i screwed up my look at it then
smickles: they're still 9 blocks from forcing the switch
PeterL: how will this outage affect satoshiDice share price?
Bowjob: bt we're winnign at least
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00530001 / 0.00551785 / 0.00569996 (11580 shares, 63.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0051045 / 0.006 (200407 shares, 1,022.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00614247 / 0.0069 (2518785 shares, 15,471.58 BTC)
smickles: PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
smickles: yeah, but not now. it could've undergone more testing
mircea_popescu: it just takes some firm adherence to coding principle.
smickles: so you think there should be no limit?
mircea_popescu: they need to go through the whole code and take out all the bs of the sort.
mircea_popescu: the (undocumented) limit to client tx size for instance, is not.
Bowjob: Satoshi envisioned 100 GB per day
gesell: jesus multiplied 7 fishes
Bowjob: he had fishes under the table
smickles: btcguild gunning for 5 in a row now
smickles: ya know, it's quite possible that there is only one electron in the whole universe
jborkl_: better not tell the protons
smickles: the protons can't tell one electron from the other anyway
mod6: depends on the scale. at the plank scale everything is a different
mod6: so there is a 1mb limit now?
dub: no theres a 250k limit
smickles: mod6: i thought all electrons were indistinguishable as far as our best tech can tell
smickles: and the wiki says that electrons can't be distinguished even in principle
mod6: if its on the internet it must be true
smickles: it's stuff i recall from studying science tho
dub: <smickles> PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
mod6: im not trying to troll, i don't know srsly.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.64974, Best ask: 44.87125, Bid-ask spread: 0.22151, Last trade: 44.88000, 24 hour volume: 126419.84432523, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.49347
smickles: dub: this would not have happened now if people were not encouraging pool ops to raise the soft limit on block size because of 'satoshiDice spam'
dub: uh they had to raise it
dub: because of the dice spam
smickles: or after it got caught in testing
dub: the soft limit was hit
smickles: mircea_popescu: they do do a little on the testnet, it's just that the queue of stuff to test is long, and noone want's to help out
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 12 seconds
jurov: uff, coinbr back online
dub: smickles: yes it was raised to accomodate dice
smickles: mircea_popescu: 23 minutes on the .7 chain
smickles: dub: we weren't hitting the softcap that offten
dub: smickles: yes we were, there was 4000 unconfirmed txn when the call went out to up the limit
dub: smickles: it became a problem when dice increased their fee
dub: pushing everyone else out of the way
smickles: hmm, i recall there being thousands of unconfirmed txns for months and months
dub: smickles: yeah dice txns
dub: which everyone was used to living with, when it suddenly turned into mom and pop's txns taking days to confirm somethign had tobe done
dub: yes but they didn't know that
mircea_popescu: not like iot says right there, "put a little tx fee, it helps the network" etc
dub: so sayign teh anti-dice crew are responsible is wrong
smickles: dub: i can see that we disagree, but i don't think the limit should be raised until the necessary txfee is unreasonably high
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.76255342 / 44.74483325 / 53.27237035 (65320 shares, 22,376.48 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
smickles: dub: and i don't think i said they were responsible, i said they forced the issue
dub: anti-dice would be work to exclude their tsn not increas the limit
smickles: some were saying that, some were saying raise the limit
benkay: what's the mtgox lag command?
gribble: Error: "lag" is not a valid command.
benkay: what was the delay between blockchain fork and broadcast?
mpexbot: smickles: 0.0727469921112 seconds
dub: was there an alert sent to 0.8? I don't see it in .7
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.103024959564 seconds
smickles: benkay: it was less than 6 block according to one claim by someone in -dev
benkay: they have a fancy website
benkay: oh wait, you said "humiliating"
benkay: i hope morgan and co drop the ball hard
benkay: be a shame to see the us consolidate under their iron grip
topace_: bitcoind listtransactions bitches abotu safe mode, is there a way to tell it to just show me the transactions anyways?
ThickAsThieves: i cant see wall st investing in something that is controlled by devs in IRC
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.104865074158 seconds
pigeons: topace_: bitcoind -disablesafemode
gribble: Error: "wallstreet" is not a valid command.
Ukto: topace: at least you didnt freeze trading :D
topace_: yea, no need to do that :p
Ukto: i found that funny >,>
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.08731834 = 87.3183 BTC [+]
Ukto: i suppose its an okay response to kneejerk reaction
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.10970785 = 109.7079 BTC [+]
smickles: geez, we're still 9 blocks from a re-org
Ukto: having tie-ins with ozco's systems, and others, my system keeps a close eye on all transactions lol
Ukto: only those pools who were properly setup/unefected continue
smickles: mircea_popescu: we had a double top and a crisis. we're going to 2
Ukto: who didnt set their block size to 1bazillion
benkay: mircea_popescu: what are you calculating there?
topace_: 225445 still the top of the 0.7 ? my 0.8 client still shows 225453
benkay: what's the 1.109? interest rate?
benkay: shit this is embarrassing.
topace_: smickles:so the 0.8 clients wont switch until the height is more?
topace_: cool im going to bed then, lol
smickles: yeah, still 8 blocks different
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 55 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.38403908 = 384.0391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.34210801 = 342.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.30194268 = 301.9427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.26374232 = 263.7423 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.22771516 = 227.7152 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i only have a self taught understanding of technicals and i see it, so people who trade on technicals probably see it too and are taking action
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
mpexbot: pizzaman1337: 0.0712060928345 seconds
the-bucket-shop: peter - if satoshi dice can land some press out of this, then probably there will be some more betting next few weeks.
mod6: omg she is just gloating over here lol, she's been calling 'em mario coins since day one.
mod6: she's like, "oh gonna go play more dungons and dragons 'eh...."
mod6: and now shes gloating
the-bucket-shop: mp s.dice grows too large for bitcoin sounds way better than "bitcoin is forked" btc people who talk to the press have no option but to blame satoshidice very loudly.
maximian: good thing this happened now and not when the market cap is $5B
mircea_popescu: maximian if the idiots hadn't put in the 250k limit it would have jhappened and been resolved in 2011
mircea_popescu: when you know... 1 single block would have caused it, it'd have been immediately noticed but no forking
the-bucket-shop: I'm sure this stuff will happen at $5B too. that's like the size of the New York School district
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mp the idots was satoshi, he just assumed we would change it later
mircea_popescu: the-bucket-shop basically it will happen indefinitely for as long as we have a devteam that mostly works at trying to play government.
mod6: he's not an idiot. he was very smart, if these new idiots can't hack their way out of a wet paper sack, thats not really his fault.
Chaang-Noi: in the frist few months someone could ahve attacked it with spam and killed it, who is to say that would not have happened?
Chaang-Noi: i agree it should ahve been changed by now
Chaang-Noi: but having it in the first place was a good idea
mircea_popescu: if it gets to the point where i am raising objections and they make sense
Chaang-Noi: honestly this issue is one of the reasons i went so hard core into ltc
Chaang-Noi: faster blocks can fit more transactions
Chaang-Noi: also i have more faith in the ltc pools to change this cuz it is a small network now
Chaang-Noi: we can fix it with out too much issue, and i ahve been trying to get peole to move
pigeons: well the bdb index lock bug isnt only triggered by pure # of transactions
Chaang-Noi: pigeons it is size of the blocks right?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01200, Best ask: 45.35277, Bid-ask spread: 0.34077, Last trade: 45.42658, 24 hour volume: 129864.74982214, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.47226
pigeons: to say that litecoin is in anyway better on this issue is ridiculous
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 275 @ 0.38399185 = 105.5978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 275 @ 0.34205951 = 94.0664 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 275 @ 0.30189328 = 83.0207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 275 @ 0.26369245 = 72.5154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 275 @ 0.22766534 = 62.608 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01200, Best ask: 45.42580, Bid-ask spread: 0.41380, Last trade: 45.42600, 24 hour volume: 129868.46652021, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.47196
benkay: how are the chain size and this recent fork related?
pigeons: benkay: not chain size, block size
Chaang-Noi: pigeons you have not explained what you think the issue is yet you say what i said is silly... it is hard to attack a point you wont state
benkay: what's this referring to: mircea_popescu: maximian if the idiots hadn't put in the 250k limit it would have jhappened and been resolved in 2011
mircea_popescu: prevented the underlying problem of the db from being discovered
mircea_popescu: until that moment when a perfect storm composed out of a db upgrade and the limit removal
benkay: oh i see, chain size and this fork i are idiots
mircea_popescu: this could have easily been avoided by simply not relying on magic numbers.
mircea_popescu: and it will ever be the case that whenever code contains a number based on an assumption
benkay: developers hate unconstrained systems
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 3 @ 0.15129407 = 0.4539 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: it can be constrained to 2tb for start
topace_: Bowjob: cavirtex is only 3% to start with, its volume based... pretty easy to get down tto 1%
mpexbot: smickles: 0.10756111145 seconds
Bowjob: dont i get charged per trade?
Bowjob: so I have to keep trading until I bring it down to 1%
pigeons: yeah it was .5% for its first couple years but couldnt make any money + scammers
pigeons: that interac email transfer thing was a mistake
Bowjob: mhm yah thevolume isnt that high on virtex
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the something bawwwfull crowd... btc goes 15 to 45, they're like whelp
mircea_popescu: bitcoin goes 45 to 40 for 15 minutes... omg MUST MAKE ALL THE POSTS
mircea_popescu: tomorrow it'll be like... what, nothing happened. so what if it's 50. doesn't prove anything
Chaang-Noi: mp yeah 15 to 45, then a short dip to 38 and they are like, told you its over, lulz
Bowjob: whos mining on badchain
gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 53 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 29 seconds
mircea_popescu: so what's best case scenario here, something like 16 blocks chain orphaned ?
mod6: oh looks like btcguild got another
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 9 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 225454 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 337 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4838985.15316 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.78577
Chaang-Noi: back to 27, oh lulz btc. how you troll us
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.46002, Best ask: 46.75436, Bid-ask spread: 0.29434, Last trade: 46.93566, 24 hour volume: 134874.62479342, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.53366
Bowjob: im not sure how to interpret the data
Bowjob: so.. are we all good then?
Bowjob: who is mining on 0.8 then?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin devs to stop all development of new versions, work on bitcoin specification exclusively, then release one cleanned up bitcoin version.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110903978348 seconds
Bowjob: BFL should atone for their sins and mine with the ASICs if they have them and help save the network
ThickAsThieves: overall this still lowers difficulty next round a little right?
maximian: Bowjob the network is being saved right now…. it's just taking some time because hashing power is split between two chains.
ThickAsThieves: and a portion of the hashing is still going to dead blocks
Bowjob: yeah but who is mining on 0.8 still?
ThickAsThieves: so this is good for asicminer(s), they get an extra day of lower diff, maybe more
BitHub: whens the nev div due?
gribble: Current Blocks: 225454 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 337 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4838985.15316 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.78577
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they are the largest losers mining on dead chain
BingoBongo: Interesting how p2pool was supposed to "prevent network centralization" seems to be doing the job...
Bowjob: so basically if i get this right, those mining on 0.8 are wasting their time
Bowjob: by "main" you mean 0.7
BitHub: any press conference release statements from the devs yet?
ThickAsThieves: essentially btcguild and the other big ones are doing a 51% attack
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and it's not trivial to get the fuck off .8
kakobrekla: eleuretheria or whatever wants his coins back
Bowjob: next release should be 0.9
ThickAsThieves: too bad for him, but maybe now he'll have better protocol for changing his software
Bowjob: gah btc is very complicated lol
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 39.70080218 / 44.63179932 / 53.27201335 (66598 shares, 22,713.19 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu he wants to do these meta bets
mircea_popescu: well whatever he wants, if you don't see it in a day it's prolly been rejected
rodeo: Once the ophaned chain take over again BTCguild will get > 10 blocks I wounder how they will credit it
mircea_popescu: ironic that the end result of the Luke-Jr & co group of idiots starting their little jihad on s.dice
mircea_popescu: will be the extinction of their c++ only "refernece" implementation and in general the end of their centralist chokehold on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i guess the lesson here is that programmers have no business arguing with financiers.
gribble: Time since last block: 49 minutes and 1 second
Chaang-Noi: last 3 blocks were prphaned, ??? not good?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00181 = 0.181 BTC [+]
maximian: just two more blocks and it'll be the main chain
Bowjob: ah.. btc-e. I lose my mind on that trollbox
kakobrekla: at least we had some good drama ya know
Bowjob: so thats it? crisis averted?
maximian: now come the personal attacks, panic selling, etc
rodeo: I thought the ending was a bit anti climatic
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.05186, Best ask: 45.05187, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 45.05187, 24 hour volume: 136276.60628425, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.54592
maximian: big forks have happened before, not really a big deal
BingoBongo: It's not the ending. It is the opening chapter in the Latest DLC. BitCoin: Mission Standardization
Bowjob: I printed an order page for topace, but then hes like nope. dont transact
Bowjob: so my free option didnt work out
maximian: the tech blogs will have a field day with this. orgasming over the opportunity to spread some FUD
maximian: I think we can expect the exchange rate to be depressed for a while.
Ukto: well, as I stated before.. weex wallet is the perfect example of correctnes
Ukto: wonder what other sites are like :P
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 50 seconds
ThickAsThieves: so will there be a mass selloff afte rpeople get their btc to gox?
maximian: yeah, lots of nervous nellies out there
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.99646, Best ask: 44.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00354, Last trade: 44.00000, 24 hour volume: 137786.72229724, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.54643
maximian: people who don't understand the system… pure speculators
Bowjob: I'm watching from coinlab
pigeons: you're at coinlab? or coinlab has an actual product out?
pigeons: cant be fancier than clarkmoody?
Bowjob: I'd let the bears have a go at it for now
BingoBongo: I imagine there's a large low information"Investor" population that through inertia or ignorance recognizes what a small hiccup this should have been... When they start looking for people to inform them though....
pigeons: just waiting for you to reboot
Bowjob: wheres that gif of this anime chick drinking coffee
BingoBongo: I'm making a trip to the Pawn Shop tomorrow and loading up on fiat for the opportunity that should arise these next few weeks. The DFI I use is indicating a "correction" to $15-$35 within 2 or 3 weeks, confidence interval of 66.7%
pigeons: partly cloudy, chance of rain
pigeons: omg! bitcoin didnt die! buy!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.16000, Best ask: 44.43000, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 44.54000, 24 hour volume: 137292.69111752, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.50843
BingoBongo: Lulz Jeff G, How many support threads on that forum have ended in essentially: export your private keys and import into X software other than what you have been using
Bowjob: If felt that we would have a tremendous rally today this bug didnt happen
Bowjob: oh well. i'll take what i can
BingoBongo: A software neutral specification has been needed for too long
BingoBongo: I give it probably 3 years for a full move from code control to stardardized and documented.
BingoBongo: There's the long fight over what the spec is, and then theres the awkward grace period until the spec forces people to leave the old code controlled version (unless crisis compells it earlier)
midnightmagic: Probably not going to happen. People like mystical chains-of-heredity.
midnightmagic: It's in their nature--right beside the part that thinks god talks directly to them.
BingoBongo: Some things are more powerful than heredity
midnightmagic: The magic Satoshi? You think the huge number of sociopaths running bitcoin are interested in an outside non-mystic taking the reins?
midnightmagic: people who use bitcoin are the people I'm talking about.
midnightmagic: they are who create the economy which bitcoin encompasses.
mircea_popescu: WHY ARENT the bitcoin police doing anything about these DDOS attacks?
midnightmagic: correct, they don't. the thing is a lot of them know that, so what do they do? social proof. and they pick a guy (like satoshi) and decide he is the nearest thing to god.
midnightmagic: You know for someone who complains about it so much I'm surprised you're taking such an interest in leading a takeover.. :-)
Ukto: btw, bitfunder is 100% online. withdraws/ deposits
Ukto: you guys do okay? :)
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu Not at all. Maybe tie the definitive switch to standards only to the next halving? God is gone so let's send things to committee.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im not leading anything, but i'm not standing for nonsensical crap either.
midnightmagic: You're trying to suggest you could be the lead of a Real bitcoin replacement. :)
mircea_popescu: not really. but i am saying that the current stuff has to go.
mircea_popescu: i said the moment devs try to act like priests and leverage the obscurity of their bad code into political theosophy... they're screwed.
mircea_popescu: i guess they don't read english any better than they read their own code.
midnightmagic: Actually, the reference implementation was never meant to be the end-all canonical version. Satoshi always hoped someone would write a properly-funded, properly engineered client and it would become the canonical client.
midnightmagic: I see no examples of political theosophy. You clearly have something in mind: out with it. :)
mircea_popescu: if you recall, this all started with people knowing which transactions are good.
midnightmagic: I don't see how a rationale (which Satoshi himself started, btw, by requesting that Wikileaks not use bitcoin yet,) is the snowball accretion of full-blown theosophy.
BingoBongo: And mircea_popescu many will probably try to sweep it under the rug as LevelDB is broken, because it isn't BerkelyDB. You're on the right track, but I think this was probably the wrong error...
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic wrong step on satoshi's part. let it be broken, rebuild. why protect it ?
midnightmagic: Currently, the best choice is sipa's blacklist patch, as it allows us to remain on the faster 0.8 while still mining.
mircea_popescu: if it's good it will prevail. if it sucks it will just crack and something else will come out of it
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu the difference is probably how much they will try to reiforce their canon against sense...
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: blockchain-destroying events tend to set back adoption progress amongst people who are afraid of what everyone else will think.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: the bootstrapping itself is still going on.
BingoBongo: "Good" bitcoin will probably have to overtake old by 51% As worse overtook bad tonight
mircea_popescu: look, like it or not, for this reason or for some other reason, bitcoin is at a point where you can't reasonably pour more moneuy into it
midnightmagic: BingoBongo: it will overtake depending on its technical and UX merits.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo have you read the girl's explanation of why multiforks resolve and aren't a problem economically ?
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu I might have, I'll recheck her post history.
midnightmagic: BingoBongo: Think about it this way. uTorrent killed everything else on Windows.
mircea_popescu: in short : suppose chain forks into 3 different chains today, a b and c
mircea_popescu: if you had 10 bitcoins today prefork, you will have 10 a 10b and 10 c bitcoins after the fork.
mircea_popescu: if you sell b and buy a the price of all will go up and the price of b down.
mircea_popescu: eventually the fork resolves economically simply because mining costs money.
mircea_popescu: end of story. money itself is a centralising factor, and as such the slightest flicker amplifies
BingoBongo: Ah, this is kind of what I was thinking. I must have read without expressing the sentiment. I believe I've read similar on Trilema as well.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly candid, many people involved in bitcoin are good honest and well meaning individuals, who know about things. usually those things are coding.
midnightmagic: crosschatter and high-bandwidth reorg battles would hurt individual consensus. presume the forks are all equal hashrate to begin with: due to the nature of POW, it would be far, far worse in terms of strength against attack.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no. because attacker wouldn't know which to attack.
BingoBongo: midnightmagic Win32 killed everything on Windows... Crosschatter happened before, some altcoin late last year did it (no halving fork) and had to be euthanized.
midnightmagic: you must presume technical acumen on the part of the attacker.
mircea_popescu: but selecting the coin to attack is not a technical problem.
mircea_popescu: and you must never presume political acumen on the part of anyone.
midnightmagic: also economical savvy (as all attackers I have seen have been extremely insightful economically)
mircea_popescu: if the devs were a little looser in the ass, would the sort of econ savvy attackers stay that side or join this side ?
midnightmagic: not godlike power, but intellectually perfect decisions, plus funded by $x dollars.
mircea_popescu: looser in the ass ? it means being used with being fucked in that orrifice.
midnightmagic: Yeah but what has that to do with anything? Is this your way of saying you're done arguing?
mircea_popescu: suppose buttcoin has some devs that think all usecases are equally valid, and dorkcoin has some devs who believe using the coin for gambling is spam.
mircea_popescu: suppose there is one attacker such as you've modeled him.
Anduck: selling ASICMINER @ 0.76
pigeons: by the way people dont think using bitcoin for gambling is spam, they think using bitcoin transactions to signal a lost bet is spam
midnightmagic: I'd preferentially attack the ones who appeared to be more philosophically aligned with the notion of attack.
mircea_popescu: same thing pigeons. as long as you're making that call your ass is too tight.
midnightmagic: Also, if the money is on the side of the all-use-cases-are-valid (i.e. gambling and drugs, hypothetically) then obviously the money is where the attacker goes.
pigeons: ok maybe we should just encode files and upload them to the blockchain ala namecoin too
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic not so. you will be surprised to find attackers routinely forego hitting higher payoff cooler targets
mircea_popescu: pigeons if we shouldn't, there should not be call for doing it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Well, not in my personal experience. But perhaps that's out-of-date these days.
midnightmagic: The gambling servers at least are very popular targets. Extorting them is almost a Russian pastime.
mircea_popescu: that;s brancing the discussion off the germane path tho
pigeons: alpaca socks can only pay so much ransom
midnightmagic: Even btcexpress preferred to leave his attacks on the altcoins.
mircea_popescu: sure, irrelevant ventures aren't part of the discussion, if bitcoin stays alpacca we're wasting our time with these concerns/
midnightmagic: .. but you defined the two choices earlier. I'm not agreeing that the choices match reality. I'm just hanging out in your hypothetical land because you invited me.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that's fine, but you pervert the choices when you add riders such as "one is really vanishingly small"
midnightmagic: Well if that's not what you meant, perhaps you should define things more narrowly. :)
mircea_popescu: just leave it stand as it is. the theoretical response to a 51% attack is that the attacker would make more by mining.
mircea_popescu: the same applies ideologically too. the network won't get attacked for as long as it manages to not stupidly offend.
mircea_popescu: keeping money ideologically neutral, implementing the old pecunia non olet
mircea_popescu: is the main strategic purpose of having a devteam in the first place.
midnightmagic: I think gpumax is the counterexample to that assertion (that they'd make more by mining)
mircea_popescu: i don't think so. gpumax dissapeared with pirate, as the sane people were saying back in february 2012.
midnightmagic: nah it's not. It's an example of hashrate for sale, and successfully for sale for that matter.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: More likely it was a side-business for coin laundry, but none of the miners could ever (far as I know) figure out where the coins were coming *from*.
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00524 = 0.021 BTC [+]
Ukto: looks like trading on btct is back
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00193 = 0.0483 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Massive sell off occuring
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 43.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 43.00000, 24 hour volume: 143829.74796654, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.38319
Bowjob: well, i watched it from 45, drop to 42.5 .. i see each cent dropping
Ukto: Native LTC deposit/withdraw supported. "And as always. Has good day."
kakobrekla: unaffection comes to bitbet so naturally i wont be posting any signes.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.51000, Best ask: 41.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.48900, Last trade: 41.99900, 24 hour volume: 146092.87031245, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 44.35230
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.147304058075 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5 @ 0.00073163 = 0.0037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5539 @ 0.00073162 = 4.0524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 456 @ 0.00072543 = 0.3308 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: In Australia, IPv6 adoption is almost non-existent, reports Josh Taylor.
mircea_popescu: "It's about as bad as everywhere else on the planet, I guess, with the single exception of Romania," Asia Pacific Network Information Centre's chief scientist, Geoff Huston, said in an interview with ZDNet Australia.
Anduck: selling ASICMINER @ 0.76, pm me if interested (at btct.co ASICMINER-PT asks are at 0.7699)
Namworld: I offer 0.03% daily on funds here.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.41654, Best ask: 43.41666, Bid-ask spread: 0.00012, Last trade: 43.50000, 24 hour volume: 166958.61630911, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 43.77197
jborkl_: It is holding up well considering what a collosal fuck up this was
Namworld: It wasn't that colossal... just a little forking
Namworld: The miners voted which would be used going forward
smickles: yeah, and it's not likely that many lost btc due to incidental double spends
Troic_: it could have been colossal, if the pool ops weren't so cooperative
jborkl_: That they encouraged people to change the block size and not knowing it was going to break BDB was a big fuck up
MJR_: Namworld: what is your bonds URL again?
smickles: Troic_: beauty of the system, they have a financial incentive to cooperate
smickles: jborkl_: I do wish they had tested .8 better. tis could've been caught
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ the idea is strong, the implementation horrible
Namworld: they can still mass object to changes and refuse... but the longest chain will be the one with most miners.
mircea_popescu: in a sense this backhandedly proves how strong the idea is
Namworld: The issue is not in .8 at all...
smickles: gavin had admitted to testing 500k blocks
Namworld: No amount of testing would have found the issue. .7 would have needed to be tested.
mircea_popescu: any statement that claims "no amout of testing" is a lie by its nature
smickles: Namworld: depends how you look at it no? the iss presented with the interaction of .8 and .7
smickles: something gavin was testing, just not toroughly enough
Namworld: The issue was in .7, if they tested .8 forever, they'd never have found the issue if they didn't use .7 in the testing.
mircea_popescu: obviously not the amount of testing they were willing to do in between chat session and harassinfg the userbase found it
jborkl_: I ran .7 and .8 versions, If I had run testnet and made a 1mb block I would have most likely broken .7
smickles: Namworld: gavin said he would've caught it if he had tested a larger block on the testnet
mircea_popescu: smickles gotta give props to gavin, he's one of the few that are actually contrite enough.
smickles: he only tested 500k blocks, and it happened on a 900k block
Namworld: I'm not saying it couldn't have been found, I'm just refuting that doing more testing on .8 would have given any result.
mircea_popescu: unauthoritatively my it says berkley seems to choke in this case over about 10k records
jborkl_: really, only test a part of the code against itself?
Namworld: I know... but people everywhere say that .8 should have been tested more so the issue would have been found.
mircea_popescu: nobody is saying "shouldhave been tested more by itself in a vacuum"
jborkl_: I just solo mined on .72 again last night until it was all figured out- I knew I kept .72 around and running for a reason
smickles: Namworld: i believe they do test for interaction with older versions
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ i've always been slow to upgrade, specifically for lack of faith.
MJR_: Namworld: I think what they mean is that part of testing a new release is testing it's interactions with other versions for backward compatiblity
Namworld: Don't you get it? I'm trying to refute people who think the issue is with .8 and that .8 alone should have been tested more...
jborkl_: Yeah, me too- I don't like being the first to change- bit me too many times
Namworld: Not that more proper testing would not have found the issue (proper with many versions). That more testing of .8 alone would have not changed anything.
Namworld: This is the only thing I'm trying to say.
smickles: personall, i include previous version interaction in the testing of one version
smickles: so it's a silly argument :P differences in definitions
mircea_popescu: the issue is with berkley db, which was on the way out
Namworld: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M FUCKING CLAIMING THAT THE ISSUE AIN'T ON .8!
jborkl_: people were all up in arms about having 80 to 1000 unconfirmed transactions waiting. with NO testing, people made larger blocks - that broke BDB
Namworld: I'm talking about people making such claims... not about me making the same claims =/
jborkl_: It could have been handled and implemented properly
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> No amount of testing would have found the issue.
Namworld: @smickles: some people even claimed they sticked to an old version specially because of potential such issues with new versions when .8 wasn't the source of the problem. If they had switched it would have been an non-issue. We've reverted to accomodate the bug in .7 and not to leave people behind.
jborkl_: .8 should be used, but we are holding back so poor people with shitty connections and shitty hardware can still be here
Namworld: mircea: I was referring to testing of .8 alone. I'm made an omission in it. I've been trying to correct myself for like the last few minutes =/
MJR_: lol, you know people can run either version and change the size of blocks they can accept or mine
imsaguy: the problems is that other people accepted it
Namworld: I hate it when I forget something in a sentence and I'm getting argued against for 10 minutes when I have the same point of view as the one arguing against me.
imsaguy: so even if you didn't allow it, someone else did
imsaguy: and then your client chokes
imsaguy: and you get stuck and don't get any new blocks
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: Namworld is usually arguing with himself.
Namworld: That's new. I don't recall that.
Namworld: No. Maybe every month or the other.
jborkl_: They have identified it as .BDB has a limit and can be broken. .8 does not have a limit and seems fine. Lets move back to the broken
mircea_popescu: i enjoy arguing with him mostly because he seems to go about things in a totally different way than anyone else
mircea_popescu: which is a great way to become a laughingstock, sure, but also a great way to find obscure bugs.
Namworld: Actually I find you go about things in a different way than anyone else...
MJR_: can't you change your code in .7 to accept larger blocks?
imsaguy: .7 can already accept larger blocks
imsaguy: bdb can't handle the locking
Namworld: Almost all misunderstandings on Bitcoin IRC are with you. I usually go about quite well with almost everyone else.
mircea_popescu: Namworld almost everyone else doesn't have much to say.
imsaguy: I'm glad I'm not almost everyone else
jborkl_: The problem glaring from this, now a obvious major problem is here and can be exploited again.
MJR_: has anyone ever said "bitcoin-assets is great but I just wish it had as much drama as bitcointalk.com"
Namworld: I think you are very literal on what sentences mean and interpret as little as possible. You avoid making too many inferences during a conversation so even small omissions can result in misunderstandings.
mircea_popescu: Namworld certainly. this way misunderstandings are found early.
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <usagi> do it
imsaguy: does he still owe people coins?
Namworld: If it was a written text, I might make less omissions. When chatting tho, I type fast and usually omit things.
mircea_popescu: actually... what if usagi and eskimo bob joined forces
imsaguy: sounds like a methlab waiting to happen
jborkl_: put both of their ideas on how to make money together? 1+1=still is 0
Namworld: Only bob I know around these parts.
mircea_popescu: this seems to be the contemporary brain disease, people reading stuff they don't understand here and there, mashing it into a sort of compound
Namworld: I think being heavily dependant on miners is actually what Satoshi wanted... miners vote with their hashing power... That's exactly how the system is supposed to work.
jborkl_: I like Death and Taxes response
Namworld: and devs can consult with mining pool when changing limits and send a warning so everyone upgrades directly to the client, should they want to make a change to allow scaling.
ThickAsThieves: they will still need to hard fork us again at some point, no?
ThickAsThieves: so does that not give malicious people a specific time in the future to plan for?
Namworld: But with proper warning and support from the community for the change, only the few not switching are left behind.
mircea_popescu: just the puppy eyed idiots don't quite get what happened so raw raw we love devteam
Namworld: what kind of malicious stuff might there be?
mircea_popescu: that's not how this works, "o, what bad stuff could happen?"
jborkl_: Well, first of all they need to plan the change sooner than later
Namworld: No, I mean malicious stuff from knowing ahead of time about a fork.
Namworld: Other than double-spend attacks
Namworld: But really, merchants/miners can plan ahead if they know. It's better if it's known in advance than not.
mircea_popescu: knowing in advance there will have to be a hard fork is a weakness of the system.
benkay: centralize us on a single buggy broken blatform
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, i wonder what OTHER exploits are there for berkley
mircea_popescu: that were illustrated by this but aren't limited to lage blocks
benkay: and for people who have trouble keeping up with the technical times, the costs are going to be higher next time
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Namworld: That's pretty much unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: benkay the top pool is pretty much bankrupt now, is it ?
benkay: market dominance is never an indicator of technical competence
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.116768121719 seconds
benkay: what is mpexlag calculating?
Namworld: MtGox is pretty much constently lagging.
mircea_popescu: the lag to talk to mpex, through a remote and a local proxy
benkay: to the order-parsing system?
ThickAsThieves: so i know they me seem ignorant, but just thinking out loud, is there not a way to make the bitcoin software part of the blockchain itself?
mircea_popescu: it takes .11 seconds for an order to go from bot to remote proxy -> to local proxy -> to trade engine and back
mircea_popescu: it takes .11 seconds for an order to go from bot to remote proxy -> to local proxy and back
benkay: what kind of volume would your trade engine have to see before it started lagging?
benkay: assuming you don't mean btc testnet?
mircea_popescu: (this has to be sustained at that level for an hour or so for things to start feeling it)
smickles: benkay: i could have it place an order, to test, but the problem would be cancelling that order later
mircea_popescu: mpex could trade on beenz if i wanted to, it's completely btc agnostic.
smickles: mircea_popescu: would a better measure be sending a bunk order?
mircea_popescu: once i get the rest online, can you measure the lag for the entire $proxies list ?
mircea_popescu: the way mpex works you get the trade engine lag printed rioght on each stat
ThickAsThieves: any thoughts on somehow tying the bitcoin software to the blockchain itself? dumb idea?
smickles: ThickAsThieves: what purpose would it serve?
Namworld: Would be catastrophic... no more voting on what changes you want
Namworld: Basically, someone controls Bitcoin
smickles: yeah, right now, users 'vote', miners 'vote'
imsaguy: you can always compile your own bitcoin software
smickles: ThickAsThieves: but you don't have to go along with them
imsaguy: you vote with what you use
Namworld: Yeah. But almost the same if software upgrade is forced through the blockchain itself. Not sure how that could even work tho
imsaguy: you take the bitcoin.org reference software
imsaguy: and they say 'this version isn't good after block X'
imsaguy: you've just put an expiration date on the software
imsaguy: I'm not advocating they do this
smickles: where's the statics on what version people are running, i think there are a bunch still on .3
imsaguy: but I don't know how often it updates
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: Its on the of problems with Microsoft
imsaguy: they keep trying to support the morons that refuse to update
imsaguy: if they cut people off cold turkey, they could cut a lot of hackjobs added to make old software work with the new stuff
smickles: Luke-Jr: updated reasonably well?
Luke-Jr: [17:22:20] <Luke-Jr> it's realtime
imsaguy: smickles: he said realtime
imsaguy: is realtime reasonably well?
Luke-Jr: [13-03-12 17:24:00] 1784/529458 available (520270 tried in 61095s, 9164 new, 24 active), 177 banned; 1692328 DNS requests, 112840 db queries
smickles: ThickAsThieves: look, about 2.45% of the network is using .3 still
imsaguy: Luke-Jr: could you make one that's futuretime?
Luke-Jr: imsaguy: draw a big circle and write 1.0 in the middle?
smickles: imsaguy: compile your own from .8 but modify it to say that it is 1.0
ThickAsThieves: i'm just stuck on meta thoughts lately, i think its lack of sleep
ThickAsThieves: make bitbets about bitbet! put bitcoin software on blockchain!
imsaguy: I am one of the unidentifieds
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
iz: ThickAsThieves: *picture of xibit holding a picture of xibit*
kakobrekla: anyone having any txes hanging in the air?
mircea_popescu: until someone figures out how to trigger the berkley bug with a smaller block
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.01770, Best ask: 45.01771, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 45.01771, 24 hour volume: 171261.27579910, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.46900, 24 hour vwap: 43.77026
Anduck: any btct.co admins online?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [-]
gribble: Josh_Rossi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Josh_Rossi> pretty sweet
pigeons: today I downloaded .7 and have been patiently waiting for my blockchain to download, im not sure if I will continue refunds or just buy a big crack rock and smoke it in a cave some where but I am totally offended by this scammer tag
mircea_popescu: so he couldn't do refunds all through february because the devs borked transition to .9
pigeons: "if I was a scammer I could be living it up easy some place warm instead of braving the same upstate new york winters I have been for 30+ years"
mircea_popescu: well... let's just hope gavin sends him the correct lists then
pigeons: "If anyone has any idea how I can buy a large amount of bitcoins please message me. The largest amount I can buy from bitinstant is $500 worth ive looked and looked and its near impossible to make a large bitcoin purchase anywhere."
mod6: to everyone else .... PEACE AND LOVE
mircea_popescu: devs say berkeley is broken. it is fine. they forgot to configure it.
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the worst case of "hi i am calling to report a bug" bungled tech support ever.
mircea_popescu: pigeons i fear it'll take me a little to digest this one
pigeons: you can configure it to use more locks, so far that seems to work just uses a lot more ram but works
mircea_popescu: the proof of something awful's general cluelessness/irrelevance is the low level mock articles they're pushing out.
mod6: yeah BDB has been a thorn in dev's side for a decade. but sounds like this time they forgot about a landmine they already stepped on once before.
mircea_popescu: mod6 bring me up to speed, what exactly is the objection ? it is widely deployed and consequently well debugged by now
mod6: BTC needs a CVE or something or some sort of post mortum.
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mod6: mircea_popescu: its not really an objection.
mod6: its just something to be cautious of
mod6: so many problems over the years
mod6: i couldn't possibly remember them all
mod6: im just depressed about this shit
mod6: i was thinking about the gox issue...
mod6: and perhaps what we need is something like rootservers for fiat->btc exchanges
mod6: dns has root servers worldwide to resolve requests. thinking that maybe btc could do well to have like 10-13 worldwide exchanges all independant of eachother.
mod6: not that all the code should be the same.
MJR_: but also...those root servers have children
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla wants something like the way fx is setup
mod6: root servers don't keep the same code either, not exactly anyway, this way it prevents a simutaious attack against all
mircea_popescu: mod6 it would be good to have many exchanges, but there's problems with getting that to work in p[ractice
mircea_popescu: because exchanges concentrate liquidity and people chase liquidity
mod6: this will help distrbute the load of exchange, and then btc wont have 1 place to look for price signals.
MJR_: well, one thing is that instant settlement is going to be harder and harder to scale
mircea_popescu: few people involved actually have enough finance knowledge to get it going yet.
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:00 <mircea_popescu> ok, it's like this. suppose the three main dealers are A, B and C.
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:13 <mircea_popescu> chair X calls the meeting. X proposes price, say 47.5
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:27 <mircea_popescu> a, b and c go through their books, see what customers want, see what they want on their own account
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:45 <mircea_popescu> then they say. a buys 50k usd. b sells 25k usd. c sells 70k usd.
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:52 <mircea_popescu> 25 + 70 > 50k so its not fixed
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:18:58 <mircea_popescu> x has to call a lower price now
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:00 <jurov> ah that kind of meeting you mean
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:08 <mircea_popescu> now a b and c review their books
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:14 <mod6> think i just need to add some sleep time....
mircea_popescu: Mar 11 09:19:27 <mircea_popescu> this process is called fixing, it's widely used to obtain a price.
mod6: and fixing this block size thing is kinda crazy. its like you know when you get a UDP request to your DNS server and the reply from the Zone is > than the max size of UDP, it rolls over to tcp
MJR_: well, again I think that could happen on a larger scale...
pgp: credit lines between exchanges to allow cross exchange arb would be an important start...
mod6: i don't think im smart enough for this stuff.
MJR_: pgp: again instant settlement is not sustainable
kakobrekla: the first important step, realizing that.
pgp: this would also require something akin to DTCC (depositiory trust clearing corp) where every exchange is a member and keeps money on deposit...
MJR_: or even wise...since cold storage =\= instant
mircea_popescu: pgp that could easily be implemented using the mpex push for isntance
mircea_popescu: or independently, but pgp is a good solution to keep it safe.
mircea_popescu: problem is every exchange wants to act as if in a vacuum, because
kakobrekla: the problem is exchange ops are retarded
mircea_popescu: the problem with bitcoin in general is the userbase is dumb.
MJR_: well not educated financially
mircea_popescu: devteam, miners, pool ops, exchange ops, everyone is... you know... draftees
MJR_: you would be surprised how many financial wizards have trouble using email
pgp: yes - with the exception of bitfloor, it doesn't seem that these exchanges are run by anyone familiar with how "real" exchanges (and clearing operations) actually work...
mod6: i got trolled so hard by my gf for this shit yesterday
MJR_: so you need people who are tech AND finance savvy
mod6: we're the laughing stock
mircea_popescu: pgp bitfloor, the guys currently owinfg like 900x what they'll ever make ?
MJR_: well...last I checked there was only one exchange that hasn't been hacked
pizzaman1337: so what is the "proper" way to run an exchange? where can I read about this?
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 this ain't knitting we're discussiong here man.
MJR_: well, paranoia does not an efficient market make
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 no but srsly, this is the sort of thing people pay in the 100's of k's for,
MJR_: it is pretty sad that the biggest exchange can't handle orders in less than 5 min
pizzaman1337: well, there must be some info on it somewhere that I could get access too
mircea_popescu: MJR_ mpex doesn't do fiat tho, so it's kinda moot for this problem
MJR_: don't know of anyone getting hacked for fiat
mircea_popescu: what's sad is that they take ~5k a month in hardware costs to process 8k trades in 30 minutes
mircea_popescu: if we scale this liniarly we discover it'd cost more than it's worth to have ti trade
MJR_: I meant the bitcoin exchanges
pgp: for starters, most all exchanges today pay you to add liquidity to their book - the so called "maker-taker" fee model.
MJR_: exactly what pgp said
mircea_popescu: pgp the reason is they're mixing bizdev with the fee schedule.
pigeons: mjr_ where have you been? bitininstant lost usd a few days ago
pigeons: what about bitcoinica? what about every single one?
MJR_: they stole usd from the servers
pgp: moreover, because like asset exchanges belong to the same "clearing clubs", they can route orders to one another to ensure "best execution" for their customers (while, of course, charging for that convenience)...
mircea_popescu: pigeons wait. didn't bitinstant lose the BTC on vircurex ?
MJR_: front page hackers used DNS to steal 12000 worth of BITCOINS
mircea_popescu: usure ? cause i wrote about this and iirc shrem was saying btc
pgp: they weren't using two factor auth with that exchange...
pizzaman1337: "Overall, due to major choke points and redundancies in our system, the hacker was only able to walk away with $12,480 USD in BTC, and send them in 3 installments of 333 BTC to bitcoin addresses."
pgp: you can lead a horse to water
MJR_: they listed the loss in dollars, but you can't send cash over a wire
MJR_: anyway I think there is a ton of room for competition to mt gox
mod6: there needs to be at least 3
mod6: all independant of eachother that aren't scams
MJR_: but even better opportunity for someone to route flow between exchanges
MJR_: lol, not being scams is key
mod6: if they were modeled after mpex, that'd be a start
MJR_: I really think a gpg based order system would be nice
mod6: not the SAME code, but similar to avoid attacks upon a weakness found in one
mod6: similar to rootservers
mircea_popescu: mod6 one of the key reasons why i keep the code closed.
mircea_popescu: people would just mindlessly replicate it (see bitfinex) then we'll be well fucked
MJR_: but also...I really think node and branch will be needed
mod6: and really... the UDP (TCP when needed) is a model that the guys should be looking at to solve this blocksize issue
mircea_popescu: in a sense mpex is constructed exactly opposite of how bitcoin is constructed.
mod6: any thoughts on that? anyone know what I'm referring to?
mircea_popescu: keep the specification open and the implementation proprietary
mircea_popescu: versus the keep the specification equal to the unreadable codebase.
MJR_: know exactly what you are talking about
jcpham: you access mpex through open standards
MJR_: I wrote a program to monitor how often we need to fail over to TCp for our data feeds
jcpham: how it works is not your concern
jcpham: unicorns are definitely walking in hamster wheels though
MJR_: I think it's multicast tcp?
MJR_: I think bitcoin-assets is the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge
jurov: mod6, how would UDP help in blocksize issuie?
MJR_: when you think that people on coinbase are probably still in the innovators (before 18%) stage...wow
pigeons: really? its second to -otc in stupid
pigeons: all your fancy exchange routing will be done via ripple
MJR_: I can't remember your exact quote mircea_popescu but something like "if you want to use crypto currency but don't understand cryptography..."
mod6: jurov: we can learn a thing or two, perhaps, about how DNS solves the issue. UDP is meant to be fast, and arbitrarily large since forward/reverse zones can contain an large amount of entries.
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mircea_popescu: mod6 of course, the blockszie issue wasn't hitting the transport layer
MJR_: I think a central clearing corp, that only needs to transfer the diff between exchanges will be the best way
mircea_popescu: look what happened in ny when the clearing corp got flooded
mod6: but when the size of UDP gets over 65,535 bytes (need to double check), it simply converts it to TCP and sends it that way. something can be learned from this, nothing more.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: cause people are transitioning from doing it via the private standalone django app to the new ripple but it is being done now
mod6: im not saying about the transport, or anything
mod6: im simply saying, look at how this problem was solved
mircea_popescu: pigeons on superficial analysis ripple seems just the place where the curerent bitcoindev rats will sucrry to
pigeons: yes perhaps, but currency liquidity flowed throug it before and will continue too,
mod6: i dunno, i guess i'd have to spend some time in there. and the client needs to be combed through
jurov: mod6, maximal packet size (or MTU) is hard fact baked into ethernet from the beginning, not some broker earlier implementation
mod6: slice and dice shit out of there that needs to be replaced.
mircea_popescu: mod6 actually once you're done with the iphone app, a very good use of someone's time is to go through the codebase and summarize it
MJR_: mircea_popescu: what iphone app?
mod6: i never wanted to touch bitcoin's client or anything else because the #bitcoin-dev is filled with pompus retards
mod6: so i'll just my retard ass out of there
jurov: mod6 good for ya. i did touch it and it didn't hurt.
jurov: but maybe i'm just crazy, going into anything
jurov: without such considerations
mod6: i'd love to take the time to audit that shit, but who wants to fight with LukeJr and the others?
mod6: aint noone got time for that
kakobrekla: oh i read that "in summary the coinbase is defenetly useful" and got a heart attack almost
MJR_: ain't no one got time for that indeed
mod6: yeah. its way out of hand
jcpham: i'm doing much better in the poll today
jurov: mod6 i'm not interested in arguing. if i had time, i'll do a fork with some very useful function and wait for them to come
jurov: cuz it's fork of bitcoind
mod6: or you just cloned and went forward?
jurov: wasn't hard... couldn't understand why that function isn't exposed already
mod6: yeah, its WAY too large imho
jurov: prolly they don't have time to test properly xD
mod6: thats obvious to everyone in the world who pays attention
mod6: they should back away after this
jurov: well, they preferred to entagle themselves in multisig txs at the time
jurov: incidentally, they still don't have sane interface, too
mircea_popescu: i am still steaming over the fact that i can't create abitrary size txs
jurov: lmao DUE TO OVERWHELMING REQUESTS we had to remove PayPal & Local Pickup options.
jurov: yes, only nonreversable nonpersonal means. fyr maximum security.
mod6: for starters who does this? Dbc* pcursor = db.GetCursor();
mod6: i just hate looking at the client code. maybe its just their style.
mod6: its like: Dbc *pcursor = db.GetCursor();
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mod6: at least the SSL code they copied looks to be better: BN_CTX *ctx = NULL;
mod6: ok i gotta walk away for a bit and think about this some more.
mod6: i still <3 you guys tho :)
benkay: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by arbitrarily-sized transactions?
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-]
Anduck: and pay a huge fee of.. 0.1 btc!!
mircea_popescu: and more importantly bitcoind doesnt die with "failed to create transaction"
mircea_popescu: this sort of shit belongs in onboard code for vibrating dildoes at the most.
Lyspooner: what about those of us who have been running 0.9
benkay: it's a transient state. frustrating to be sure.
benkay: especially to those of us accustomed to flushing idiots out of systems with economics.
benkay: you mentioned something about the dev team starting work on a spec?
benkay: would you point me at that?
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sipa jgarzik: have we seen a block which affected 5000 transaction index entries?
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Lyspooner: The Church of Bitcoin and the Vatican Bitcoin Foundation have met Luther Popescu
mod6: so can we rewind the tape just a bit...
mod6: didn't this happen or something very similar to it before?
mod6: like on upgrade from version 4 to 5 or something? there was a night where they did an upgrade and the similar thing happened.
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mod6: i gotta look through btctalk for that *sigh*
mod6: awe fuck it, i guess that's long ago anyway.
jurov: mircea_popescu one thing i don't understand, you aren't going to hire any devs yourself cause it isn't worth the conflict and drama?
jurov: what do you plan to do, then?
mod6: it shouldn't be up to one dude to pay for all this shit...
mircea_popescu: and ideally remove the current devteam's license to release new clients.
jurov: and who will do the spec? have any allies to do it together?
mircea_popescu: then once we have spec they can fix their fucked codebase and release a proper client
mod6: i just feel like, this should be like a HACK THE PLANET type thing, and people who want this to work will make it work.
mod6: im not sure what planet these guys are on, but if this is their baby and they have commitbits to the most widely used full-node base, they aught to make sure it functions correctly.
mod6: anyway, drives me up a wall, I'll tell you. :)
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mircea_popescu: jurov anyway, the problem isn't as much the drama, but moreover that a single-source codebase is both non-bitcoiny and suspect.
mircea_popescu: but i think if we can get one (or ideally multiple) people to summarize the code
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't take much longer than a few weeks for a first draft, which can then be argued and refined
mircea_popescu: in my experience any devteam resists such an effort like cats resist washing, because coders love to write but hate having to read code.
mircea_popescu: hiowever, once it's complete there's a few day's worth of facepalming and going "wait, we are doing W?HAT ?!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57577575 BTC [+]
mod6: this is a solid plan.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: of course it has to first get the cat into the washing machine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
jurov: well, i'd love to and have no problems to read others code.. just that i'm neck deep elsewhere atm.
mircea_popescu: why it's called open source after all, sits there and waits for when / who has time for it
jurov: oh, that happens with all opensource without paid devs
mircea_popescu: a. i hire someone. well... this opens the political problem of "oh, he's mp's puppet".
mircea_popescu: b. i set up a prize which anyone may claim. well... this opens the idiocy problem of "oh, I don'tneed his money, what does me take for, a starving artist????"
mod6: right. no, this needs to be something that is adopted by the users of the system.
mircea_popescu: + "it's not enough" drama + trying to get the pruize with as little work as possible etc
jurov: just hire someone. this muppet argument will ensue but code/doc will remain in the end
jurov: i remember something like with linux and redhat
jurov: maybe i'll hire amir taaki.. he'll do gladly for food and shelter
mod6: well, i think this bitcoin project is again an "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US." type of thing.
jurov: mod6 what outer space metaphors are you onto again....
dub: so this fucking agent calls me in yesterday to show the same offer as last week, only on paper
mircea_popescu: jurov i bet you i can tell you have just by reading his output
dub: because numbers look different than they sound obviously
benkay: what are you taking offers on, dub?
jurov: lol the vride isn't up to specs
mod6: So, what I'm saying is, I think it's a really good thing to create a spec, and then everyone can punch eachother in the nuts over it until its perfect. This is the way to go.
benkay: there will eventually be an incentive for the miners to disregard devsquad
benkay: in retrospect, i'm a little surprised they didn't this time
mod6: I think, at least for myself, every time I had to write a paper, or have written some code; I've gone back the next day or at some later date and done a `wtf?'
mod6: even the other night, i wrote that code quick that worked. i mean, it kinda worked, in the way that it fucked a donkey.
mircea_popescu: the btcguild people got fucked for ~2k btc because of it.
mircea_popescu: this keeps up, soon enough idiots will not have the dough to keep going
mod6: but then you know, you review, you think about it, you make changes and it gets better.
benkay: it's a painful process
benkay: dunno if i agree about that.
jurov: mod6 yea but if you don't painstakingly document it it just won't go past some threshold
benkay: i don't optimize for pain.
Lyspooner: where'd the 2k btc figure come from?
mod6: i've said that before. but usually my code works too.
jurov: yes bitcoind usually works, too
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner they lost ~1.2k because the new .8 redownloaded the chain and they autopaid miners submitting as if low diff
benkay: i optimize for pleasure within my in-group, and i let the rest of the world experience their own mistakes.
mircea_popescu: they lost a further however much cause of discarded blocks
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu were they auto-paying miners with coins older than 120 blocks since mined?
mircea_popescu: yes, the op was quite clear about having lost the 1.2k
Lyspooner: anything faster than 120 blocks is the ops fault
Lyspooner: they are paying miners with fresher coins than is safe
mircea_popescu: as the blockchain was being downloaded, the difficulty was corresponding to very old blocks, ie, very low.
jurov: Lyspooner pools attract noobs on fast payouts, is that surprising for you?
mircea_popescu: as miners submitted current work, they were paid for their share of contribution to that low difficulty
Lyspooner: maybe i misunderstand mining pools' payouts. but if i do work now, i shouldn't be paid until t+120
mircea_popescu: and speaking of that 120... YET MORE MAGIC NUMBERS FUCKING HELL
Lyspooner: but that's the risk that mining pool ops assume
jurov: kakobrekla you didn't got doublespended on smpake.com?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner not detachedly from the general "trusting devteam" risk
mod6: (13:35) < jurov> mod6 yea but if you don't painstakingly document it it just won't go past some threshold << documentation is amazing
mod6: i've read tons of technical manuals. i quite like the strangely.
mod6: but... it doesn't have to be 50 volumes to be helpful either.
mod6: cause the source speaks volumes itself
mod6: but there can always be a little guidence on how it is designed, why something is implemented the way it is, etc.
mod6: i feel like we need a bitcoin RFC
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.97092, Best ask: 46.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02908, Last trade: 46.00000, 24 hour volume: 179859.80684158, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.75220
maximian: market doesn't seem terribly concerned about about all this
jurov: and seeing evoorhees, "blockchain forks. satoshi dice not affected" i guess
maximian: SatoshiDice bet sizes not being affected by the exchange rate is a nice surprise
jurov: that would be funny if satoshidice kept functional on both sides of the fork
mircea_popescu: idiot parade is lucky that evoorhees is a sweetheard, even if they treat him like dirt.
mod6: (12:08) < mircea_popescu> mod6 actually once you're done with the iphone app, a very good use of someone's time is to go through the codebase and summarize it
mod6: (12:08) < mircea_popescu> that;s usually a good step towards specification.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00559 = 0.1118 BTC [+]
mod6: maybe bitotter can wait
mod6: cause i feel like i want to clone and start going through this thing again. last year, I made a shit load of my own changes to get it working on freebsd properly.
mod6: anyway, I'll pull to linux and go through the code.
mod6: i wont start by making any changes to the source, just review it as I can.
mod6: yall should be doing the same thing.
mircea_popescu: if you only start them, work for some, then start new one... lot of wasted work man.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1987 = 0.3974 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: spec stands to code in the same relationship contract stands to trade.
mircea_popescu: you can have trade without contracts but it's a recipe for disaster.
Lyspooner: i understand it only metaphorically now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 24 @ 0.00999 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: P T Barnum's Magical Trading Cards & Bitcoin Esoteric Foundation ?
Lyspooner: I was thinking: The Bitcoin Best Guess Foundation
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]
dub: heres some low hanging fruit for you mircea_popescu. <pjorrit_> we really should get a SD on testnet
dub: you aren't on a quest to rescue bitcoin from mediocraty?
dub: shivving a few poindexters more your speed
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.52000, Best ask: 44.55501, Bid-ask spread: 0.03501, Last trade: 44.55501, 24 hour volume: 182706.33065327, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.75828
Ukto: if I put a test bot trade announcer in here
Ukto: just announcing for now
Ukto: but would you stop whining about trades? :P
mircea_popescu: atm im goingthrough the summary of the bitcoin-dev session for the 12th
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's much hope for the current dev team, seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyone "upgrading" to any further crap they release is irresponsible from a business perspective.
mircea_popescu: we need an actual trustworthy bitcoin implementation asap.
Ukto: i think were better off with btc's team than nothing
mircea_popescu: atm bitcoin is forked, in the sense that some kids are in jerkoff lalaland
Ukto: i am not using their crap
Ukto: i am using a highly customized version
mircea_popescu: Ukto no, atm we'd be better of if everyone in devteam were under a bus.
Ukto: which is why I wasnt effected
kakobrekla: its really simple to implement, just ask the others.
Ukto: kakobrekla: will you write websocket support?
Ukto: i dont want systems banging on my webservers
Ukto: i just paid someone to write it
Ukto: since no one else can get with the times
Ukto: and stop using archaic technology
kakobrekla: ill make websocket when you have 10 trades per second consistently
Ukto: well now you dont have to worry
Ukto: same format for trade display
kakobrekla: the thing is there is one protocol by which all exchanges go
Ukto: then the other exchanges should move into the present
Ukto: sorry, but I know how to create platforms that dont buckle under load when they get a large userbase
Ukto: do it right the first time
Ukto: or just be a fuckup
FabianB: Ukto: how's a push from your system to assbot 'banging your server'? if i understand it right assbot doesn't pull from your servers
Ukto: enabling the 15sec call requests on the graphs on bf
Ukto: caused a laod increase of 5% on the servers
Ukto: with all the extra unneeded sql queries
Ukto: 380 requests every other second
mircea_popescu: there will be a trade freeze, should be no more than ~10 minutes, will be announced in advance
Ukto: about to turn on websockets for the browser
Ukto: will create no extra load
Ukto: and everything will work
Ukto: if you tell me no bot in here
Ukto: i will put it in #bitfunder
Ukto: and people can watch it there if they want
Ukto: i was trying to be nice and paid to have something done to make people happy
Ukto: i could honestly care less about it announcing in here
TomServo: mircea_popescu: do you have a link to the bitcoin-dev summary you're referring to?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
Ukto: i think your beig silly by not letting another bot
Ukto: one with no commands
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you dont care but you care enough to bring another bot?
Ukto: just to make people happy
Ukto: otherwise its not my issue
Ukto: if the channel operator doesnt want it
Ukto: ppl want to see trades on irc
Ukto: they can do itwhever the bot is allowed
Ukto: mircea_popescu: you will need to join #bitfunder if you want to see the trades if he wont allow it
Ukto: otherwise i dont want to hear any more complaints about it
kakobrekla: the other exchanges had no problem intergrating
Ukto: kakobrekla: so you want me to make a custom GET/POST request script
Ukto: specially for your bot to bang every 5 seconds ?
kakobrekla: if a onliner means 'custom get post script' then yes
Ukto: that would never work then
Ukto: the server remains behind protection for a reason as not to have the ips given out
Ukto: twitter is not a person on irc
Ukto: and part of the btc community
Ukto: and thts prolly going to stop honestly
mircea_popescu: wait. jhow are you going to implement ipless websockets ?!
Ukto: mircea_popescu: i already todl you that
Ukto: the main servers ip
Ukto: only to the socket network
Ukto: it removes all load on information distribution
Ukto: I was discussing it with tux as well
Ukto: to lower load on the servers
kakobrekla: so the conclusion is Ukto cant afford a post per trade
Ukto: anywho, we were at a crossroads, i didnt want to custom for your bot because its really a waste of time when theres a simple method for it. I paid someone to make a work around. you say NO for no real reason. thas that
Ukto: i punch those pennies
Ukto: when it comes to load
kakobrekla: just a coder mircea_popescu, just a coder.
Ukto: and fwiw it took someone 10 minutes to make a websocket announcing bot.
kakobrekla: and it takes 3 min to post it to assbot
Ukto: but that doesnt solve the ip protection issue
Ukto: if this channel had 10,000 users i would care more
Ukto: it has about 25 active
Ukto: 30 ppl who lurk at any given time
Ukto: and none of them that respond to trades in here by jumping on an exchange and trading because of it
kakobrekla: nobody is forcing you so is all good, dont sweat it
Ukto: im not. just tired of people whining that they cant see the bf trades
Ukto: so i made a simple solution
Ukto: that causes no conflicts
Ukto: other than with you hehe
Ukto: i mean honestly, can you give me a good reason why different name cant say the same information?
Ukto: what if I manualyl paste them every time? will i get banned?
jurov: Ukto, what about tickers?
Ukto: jurov: not yet. just announcing
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
Ukto: jurov: might be #bf only
kakobrekla: assbot is a standard in #bitcoin-assets , in other rooms there can be 252 bots having buttsex for all i care
Ukto: I dont want to override the "standard"
Ukto: but the sstandard is set in its ways
Ukto: its like nano said. if bitcoincharts stops updating its lists of exchanges, he would allow workaround to add new ones
kakobrekla: maybe some fan of yours will make a script that will listen to your socket and make posts
Ukto: so if this other person operates the bot and announces in here
burnside: Ukto, can I get api access to BF?
Ukto: burnside: the get/post api for bf is currently only opened to 14 ppl and being reworked based on suggestions. debating forcing it all to websocket at this point.
Ukto: for reasons I stated earlier
dub: we only do double standards here, its more efficient
benkay: ukto, this is your problem for not scoping market standards first
benkay: it's not our problem to conform to your preferred implementation
benkay: if you want trades seen by max people, publish in places they'll be seen.
Ukto: and i didnt care if they were seen in here or not
Ukto: so i made something
benkay: missed the whole lean startup movement
benkay: forgot your user research
Ukto: if its not wanted, then its not wanted
benkay: nobody wants your socket
benkay: just 'cause you dumped money into it doesn't give it value.
Ukto: they dont have to have it. :)
benkay: that's fine. your arrogance will cripple your business.
benkay: humility and egoless development will open the doors to users
Ukto: "no one wants your socket" "ok" "your arrogent" ?
benkay: you're going to have to articulate that argument a little more clearly.
benkay: Ukto: "no one wants your socket" "ok" "your arrogent" ?
Ukto: you say someone doesnt want something, I said ok. and you called me arrogent for it
Ukto: dont understand. :)]
Ukto: i agree, no one has to use the sockets if they dont want to
Ukto: i wont force it on anyone
benkay: don't have time to explain.
Ukto: then pm me another time and we can talk. :)
Ukto: i have none either.
benkay: except for an inherently limited user base watching your data feed :)
FabianB: sad my bet on bitbet "bitfunder won't announce in #bitcoin-assets by ..." wasn't accepted a few days ago ;)
FabianB: Ukto and kakobrekla just don't get along
benkay: implying bitbet only takes losing wagers?
Ukto: FabianB: nah, kako's fine
Ukto: i have no issue with em
Ukto: i just dont want to use post/get's (which i originalyl thought thats how it worked for the bot since i was never todl otherwise when asked about it)
Ukto: and b. i dont issue outbound connections from any of my servers. weexchange, bitfunder, etc
Ukto: ust a conflict of standards
mircea_popescu: benkay well no but it doesn't take wagers where one person can singlehandedly decide the outcome
FabianB: Ukto: not really with a proxy (connecting via websockets to bitfunder and posting to assbot)
benkay: don't trust the good who runs the assbot listening to mpex
benkay: man fuck the spellcheck on this client
Ukto: I guess i could have the guy change the bot
Ukto: to accept websocket announces
dub: just throw up the socket already and let someone else spend 3 minutes routing around your damage
Ukto: and then announce a POST to kako's bot
mircea_popescu: i have a never ending flood of actuall ddos since like the beginning of the month
kakobrekla: you can bounce it off the moon while you are at it
dub: mircea_popescu: its just someone sharing their packets with you bro
Ukto: kakobrekla: pm me the url and format to post the data
Ukto: or pm me a url to any documentation
jurov: Fatal error: Call to undefined function gnupg_init() in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/index.php on line 200
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [-]
jurov: guess where it's from ;)
wiggzz: mpex.co... just checked hah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.58 = 2.32 BTC [+]
Ukto: forgot to install someting? ;)
Ukto: php and gnnupg. hated setting that up the first time
mircea_popescu: Ukto as you might notice, mpex.coinbr.com is doing fine
Ukto: now that its on a network that can handle things. jurov was scrambling like crazy to get things setup right
Ukto: i think it worked out great
Ukto: was happy when the live.coinbr graphs started working again. :)
jurov: why not? the beauty of unfinished things lol
smickles: oh that's what's fucking me up
dub: today bitcoins dev team is solving the problem of how to ignore people that call them names on the forum
TomServo: mircea_popescu: do errored links count against my weekly tally? :P
smickles: my guiclient is seeing that mpex.co is there so it's sending STAT's to that
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.11000, Best ask: 44.32800, Bid-ask spread: 0.21800, Last trade: 44.32800, 24 hour volume: 184334.05898785, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.73067
Bowjob: there goes my cheap coins
Bowjob: look at that LTC price rise
dub: [19:05] <theymos> Luke-Jr: On the subject of bitcointroll forum, I'm going to add a feature allowing you to mark your topics as self-moderated when you create them. In such topics, the OP can delete replies. That should solve some of your problems.
kakobrekla: prolly nobody knows cause the devs are all dead
dub: that is so fucking broken
smickles: oh, so the rise in ltc is just an emotional thing
Bowjob: ummm its risen even before the fork
smickles: dub: we must be able to silence the opposition
Bowjob: i sold 10k ltc on the way down, i thought i did well by minimizing my loss
smickles: (if that quote is to be believed)
smickles: so, with that quote, it's official. theymos is from soviet russia
mircea_popescu: i thought people were always able to delete their own crap on bitcointalk
smickles: the auction section is about to be awesome
smickles: or scam accusations, anything really
smickles: someone post evidence of you having stolen btc, just delete it
dub: only gmax actually wants him around
mpexbot: kakobrekla: 0.0897209644318 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
smickles: this thing is going to rock on android (for those willing to put their privkey on their phone
smickles: aside from that, it's a very pleasing way to use mpex
pizzaman1337: I think it's measuring how far behind just the trading engine is
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
Bowjob: IT appears that LTC will hit the dollar parity soon
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.00000, Best ask: 44.08000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 44.08000, 24 hour volume: 183524.02883802, 24 hour low: 36.65000, 24 hour high: 48.39999, 24 hour vwap: 43.69802
kakobrekla: is it me or is this far from dollar parity?
dub: and I've thrown away a bunch of ltc :/
dub: must remember to have a look for it
dub: so is assbot getting buttfunder feed or no?
dub: need better intel on when to dump asicminer
mircea_popescu: "TD that's why i don't understand people who say implementation diversity is a good thing. it's clearly not."
BitHub: i can buy a mining rig, yay
dub: is it cpuminable still?
Bowjob: ive been wondering why the hell is it rising
Bowjob: is it because gpu miners abandoning btc?
dub: cocain is a helluva drug
jcpham: some morons out there have dediced to rape it
jcpham: wait until july 2011 litecoin prices
Bowjob: Low: 0.3125 USD High: 0.7525
jcpham: is that a spread or the low/high fo today
kakobrekla: basically noone has any idea if its worth anything
Bowjob: ive watched it since 5 cents
jcpham: i'm not sure i'd call it growing
kakobrekla: 01:11.57 ( kakobrekla ) but sersiouls how much use is there for ltc
kakobrekla: 01:12.01 ( kakobrekla ) why would i USE it
kakobrekla: 01:12.03 ( kakobrekla ) instead of btc
BitHub: be funny if ltc became worth more than btc
Bowjob: the trollbox is going nuts
jcpham: i might sell some poop on ebay for a bajillion dolars too
BitHub: btc becomes worthless and its all about the ltc
jcpham: or some other tulip comes along
jcpham: currency exchange is one thing
jcpham: storage of value another entirely
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually, if the current devs continue as bitcoin devs, i can envisage ltc becoming the standard coin.
jcpham: mircea_popescu you die first
kakobrekla: oh so you sayin ltc devs are better than btc devs mircea_popescu
jcpham: becasue there arre none
dub: he's the cut and paste engineer
mircea_popescu: currently if all bitcoin devs were hit by a bus bitcoin would benefit immensely.
BitHub: do you think the price would go up?
jcpham: i was on .6 until yesterday
jcpham: shitty devs didn't tell me anything
jcpham: i want my goddamn money back mircea_popescu
jcpham: i'm calling customer support right now
mircea_popescu: i will certainly have the girl ad psas to any future bullshiot "upgrades" they come up with
mircea_popescu: as in, do not upgrade. the people pushing this broken code are irresponsible and you will lose out.
jcpham: the fucking software has all these retard shiny coins all over it
jcpham: i've never seen a single shiny anything
dub: mpex should fund solidcoin development to replace bitcoin
BitHub: if it aint broken, don't fix it
BitHub: but then again this was done on purpose because of politics
burnside: wow, BTC to USD 42.233 || LTC 64.26735218
burnside: I'm going to be a thousandaire
burnside: well, I guess I'm a thousandaire of LTC already, so soon I can be a thousandaire of USD. ;)
burnside: eh, for that I have a ways to go.
burnside: I was close before I found the GLBSE
burnside: it was just play money then unfortunately, and I treated it as such
dub: thebuttholezone is such a prolix dick eater
kakobrekla: thought it was the other simmilar sounding one
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: the blog that always tells me I need to pay up :(
BitHub: sweet mircea i made your blog
deadweasel: all the txns that ended up in the orphaned fork, did they complete, or get 6 confirmations?
deadweasel: oops, wrong window. answers still appreciated
deadweasel: I'm curious what a transaction from an orphaned fork looks like?
BitHub: glad the irc bot thing worked out, hope you find these dickheads hey
deadweasel: so anyone who happened to be buying 3 lbs of gold in person with bitcion at exactly that time, would have seen 6 confirmations?
BitHub: PPS. Everyone named in this article gets a block of 10`000 S.MPOE shares. Contact jurov to take possession - that include me mircea :)
Namworld: Well the blog is... MPEx will certainly follow soon
BitHub: good read man, any idea who or why?
mircea_popescu: but on the positive side, mpex gets much better servers and stuff
BitHub: i'm suprised there's no mpex irc room
BitHub: i figured most of them were here :)
benkay: is there a bitcoin security channel?
benkay: i'm just not welcome apparently
benkay: i was hoping to find someone who would tell me
benkay: i was imagining a land of rainbows and ponies tbh
benkay: where sages of netsec and hackers extraordinare waxed on the merits and methods of securing one's business
kakobrekla: sadly, this still is the best bitcoin chan.
benkay: this channel brings value to my life.
benkay: 's about all i can say.
dub: benkay: try #intersango
mircea_popescu: Processor #32 Vendor GenuineIntel Name Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 0 @ 2.00GHz
dub: some fuckin skurity proffessors in thur
mircea_popescu: ahhh. seriously, what's sweeter than 32 core e5-2650 ?
dub: ps: don't tell them I sent you
kakobrekla: dub dont fuck around with people like that
dub: pps: don't ask about makign backups
mircea_popescu: which makes me actually have more hardware than mtgox atm.
mircea_popescu: benkay intersangro being, obviously, the fuckwit champs of btc.
dub: I though my follow up '<dub> some fuckin skurity proffessors in thur' expressed an appropriate level of sarcasm?
benkay: you guise i can make my own mind up about things
dub: sorry for pooplinking
kakobrekla: i just dont want to see you wasting too much time benkay
benkay: i'm oddly flattered kakobrekla
benkay: although i assume you're after next year's socket fee already
kakobrekla: its ok Chaang-Noi, just messing around.
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin breaking i think really showed people a more tested version is good to have around
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin after all is litecoins test chain :)
dub: I should have maffed dat in my head
Chaang-Noi: trollin trollin, its good fun iuf you do it for money
BitHub: yeah man i got paid to troll lance armstrong for a while
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Chaang-Noi: people like gmaxwell rating people neg they never delt with cuz they do something like play s.dice really turned me off
Chaang-Noi: gmaxwell rates people -1 or -5 cuz they gamble on s.dice
Chaang-Noi: that pisses me off as people jsut abose it
Chaang-Noi: so i wont use a system that is so fucked up
benkay: stop gambling on s dice in a transparent way
benkay: mp i'm enjoying your tirade on fucking a lot more than the drama posts
Chaang-Noi: i dont use s.dice it was just one example of how i see it abused
Chaang-Noi: pirate was like 2nd highest rated? lulz
Namworld: OTC is just like Bitcoin. Each user can run however they want about attributing trust or distrust.
benkay: tirade's the wrong word
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dub!~dub@unaffiliated/dub . User dub, rated since Wed Dec 19 14:09:17 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dub gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded.
Chaang-Noi: yeah i just dont think wot is a good tool, not worth my time. i can see how it is goodfor some people not as well known as me, but im one of bitcointalks greatest trolls:)
benkay: dang. in btc world, you blow things and you're arguably completely fucked for starting things under your own name ever again.
Namworld: :;rate Chaang-Noi -10 Too much black/purple/red in his home, really bad choice of colors. Doesn't give off a very trusty vibe like pure white.
benkay: contrasts strongly against american startuplandia where you can pivot (fail) ten times with 3 different investment rounds, and still be lauded as a pop-hero
Namworld: ratings are just how much an user trust you. Someone insane could distrust someone for whatever.
benkay: cool is the grand canyon
benkay: cool is fucking your buddy's wife
kakobrekla: anyway the point is its nice to see you can be accountable in a way
Chaang-Noi: namworld but i remember who i trust, why do i need to use wot?
kakobrekla: or else we would still have patric harnets and such
Namworld: You can use ;;gettrust to only get indirect ratings from people you trust yourself
Chaang-Noi: i dont know... after all my fail i was always honest and people trust me, and if they dont im happy to use escrow :)
Namworld: I'm lacking data about you apparently.
benkay: but it's definitely a step towards a world where people generally know all there is to know about you.
kakobrekla: you are afraid to be over exposed over OTC wot
benkay: think about a plugin to your radio system that identifies customers as they walk in your store and then queues up music for them
benkay: imagine truly pervasive surveillance
benkay: i don't have time for this conversation
benkay: and i'm not nearly stoned enough to find it interesting.
Chaang-Noi: dont know, i dont use facebook either, i just dont like that sorta of social networking, i have a very good trading recored
kakobrekla: whoever uses facebook and bitcoin is retarded
Chaang-Noi: i kinda have the same idea about wot as i do facebook :/
smickles: kakobrekla: my facebook name is fedarush akatom
benkay: dude! you guys i don't even want to build a business in this space
benkay: but it scares me shitless.
benkay: there are three outcomes for me
Chaang-Noi: i was dumb and sold 50k litecoin around 42 cents... should i cash out or buy more ltc... ahhh
benkay: i've read that many a time
benkay: i'm actually looking forward to MPOE-PR "FIRST"ing it on a launch page
BitHub: you most likely wont go to jail
BitHub: unless you're doing something illegal or not paying taxes
benkay: not moving, either. i have roots here.
benkay: did pirate disclose his identiy?
Chaang-Noi: at best SEC fucks with him, but SEC cant jail people
benkay: is he still operating in the space?
kakobrekla: sry just had to, was a long time since last one.
BitHub: i heard finland and costa rica are good places to setup bitcoin companies
Chaang-Noi: kakobrkla you should see my account size, once he pays out im going to be supper rich!
kakobrekla: BitHub the way i see it, slovenia is fuckin awesome
BitHub: nice kako where is that? Eastern Euro?
kakobrekla: one might argue its not south but central, ill take mps deficinion of being estern too
benkay: i am just not leaving this town.
benkay: i am glad to come visit you all
BitHub: i cant wait to travel more
benkay: ugh, that was a dumb sentence.
BitHub: need to check out so many place
benkay: deadweasel i'm not going to pycon
benkay: because i'm going to pycon
smickles: mircea_popescu: wth, i know you like this number
smickles: ValueError: Extra data: line 1 column 187 - line 22 column 65 (char 187 - 1337)
smickles: are you trolling me via my statjson?
smickles: mircea_popescu: some error I get when trying to decode my stat
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724998 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: anyway im off to a mini family vacation, they think iv sat too long at the computer :(
benkay: real reason mp should not make new clients happen
benkay: critical density in bitcoin space
benkay: tear fabric of economic universe
benkay: unpredictable results.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724998 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 225589 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 202 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4822007.4493 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.39708
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2500 @ 0.00559 = 13.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.199 = 0.398 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.0055 = 0.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00559 = 0.0224 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I hope you can realize how much more we could accomplish and how much happier everyone would be if you acted like less of a douchebag."
kakobrekla: id give 10 btc to be able to punch misterbigg in the face, just once.
kakobrekla: >He is the mastermind who created the current trade engine and the multi-currency platform for Mt.Gox
BitHub: is the s.dice guy in there as well?
mircea_popescu: "Executive Director, Chairman of the Board, Treasurer"
BitHub: now i feel silly defending bitcoin and how decentralized it is to teh haters
mircea_popescu: i guess now we know what coings are being floated by coinlab.
kakobrekla: yeah its more fucked than whores at closin time BitHub
mircea_popescu: but then again, as the girl said after the pirate fiasco : give your money to idiots, cause trouble across the board.
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin people still have to learn a lot about how confidence tricks work.
BitHub: so do we actually need the board? or should i give money to them?
BitHub: i dont know i dont want to get in trouble
BitHub: i dont want to say anything bad about the foundation....but.......
BitHub: i like how dodgy their pics look
midnightmagic: BitHub: The fastest way to shut up haters is to stop talking to them and walk away.
BitHub: yeah, i found its best to be like "yeah cool man" and go onto something else
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem means they're being irrational. Why even bother with irrational people?
pigeons: smickles: what was your formula for the price of a mining "share"?
midnightmagic: "Bye, have fun being bent over by the Universe for the rest of your life."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00181 = 0.181 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: wanna see how fast bitcoin can hit $500 ? Shift the decimal one place to the right..
midnightmagic: that eligius report is out-of-date. check eligius' stats page.
pigeons: nanotube: is this static data?
gribble: Error: "nextprice" is not a valid command.
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 49.634057 | Next Price In About 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 44 seconds
nanotube: pigeons: no, it's all pulled live
pigeons: ah the eligius asics overheated
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 100 @ 0.0039 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [-]
dub: goes to show how much of a joke the idea of mining being some kind of democratic concensus system is
mircea_popescu: the current people doing it obviously aren't quite there yet, but no worries,
LameCoin-: any comments on yesterdays events?
kakobrekla: lots of stuff happend yesterday like on a normal day
kakobrekla: but im guessing youre talking about fork yea
LameCoin-: i enjoyed reading mircea's comments to the developers on the forum
kakobrekla: then you will prolly enjoy staying around
LameCoin-: i think the selling yesterday would have occured regardless
LameCoin-: well even under the event the price never hit last weeks sell off
kakobrekla: bitbet now spams via twitter and rss feeds.
bowjob: hey is the trollbox still there?
kakobrekla: ltc is 0.01642 cause i know you wanna know
bowjob: it goes on and off for me, the site. i dont see the trollbox
bowjob: i see the trollbox but on my account i cant
grubles: whats the mpex fee nowadays?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.709999 = 3.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.71 = 8.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.745 = 5.235 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
dub: grubles: still 30 last I heard
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.005237 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000706 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.724994 = 6.5249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724994 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00687 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724994 = 2.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.745 = 12.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7499 = 8.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 1.75 = 35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58699999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.587 = 1.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.589 = 1.767 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1 = 2 BTC [+]
grubles: who wants to buy my mpex account
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.20301, Best ask: 46.38751, Bid-ask spread: 0.18450, Last trade: 46.20000, 24 hour volume: 72528.04121071, 24 hour low: 41.02000, 24 hour high: 46.50000, 24 hour vwap: 44.30878
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 18 @ 1.75 = 31.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72499 BTC [-]
BitHub: when is asicminer gon be worth 1btc?
jurov: sooner than litecoin?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.005237 = 0.0209 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.72705 / 0.749 (42 shares, 30.5 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.70519 / 1 (1171 shares, 825.8 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69325 / 1 (1495 shares, 1036.4 BTC)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, 241`819 option contracts traded so far this month.
mpexbot: FabianB_: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'49', u'min': u'67334', u'max': u'76718', u'vsa': u'358259971660', u'vsh': u'4790992', u'avg': u'74777.8271515'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'3857', u'min': u'61614', u'max': u'78628', u'vsa': u'3217577150869', u'vsh': u'46464513', u'avg': u'69248.0549806'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074777 / 0.00076718 (4790992 shares, 3,582.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069248 / 0.00078628 (46464513 shares, 32,175.77 BTC)
dub: mircea_popescu: dat maff
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 190 @ 0.695 = 132.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.724 = 1.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d09f12925116f3363e8eae0ec8ade9aadb4f55879fa01bada13bab03
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00076706 = 3.8353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00569991 = 0.456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 220 @ 0.00599987 = 1.32 BTC [+]
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
FabianB_: mpexbot: probably without the url part?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
jurov: not a proper json, i daresay
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
jurov: yes smickles did it thus
jurov: quite an innuendo we got there
FabianB_: everyone busy watching 22 running behind a ball with nothing happening in 90 minutes?
jurov: ofc, depends how they are mentioned. some are eligible for s.mpoe, others for s.bvps or f.giga.etf
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
jcpham: irc channel metric matter
jcpham: i'm quoted in that article
jcpham: jurov i need my shares
jurov: that's about 10-50 klod (kilolines of drama)
jcpham: PPS. Everyone named in this article for helping gets a block of 10`000 S.MPOE shares. Contact jurov to take possession.
jurov: jcpham, s.bvps or giga?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
jurov: sorry jcpham, you should have come some months earlier. next.
jcpham: dude my name is in there
mircea_popescu: how many people of the total 10bn read 100k words in a week ?
jurov: yes. but s.bvps and f.giga.etf claims closed in October 2012
dub: dude everyone who bothere to read that far into your novel should get shares
jcpham: i read the whole thing
jcpham: last sentence BONUS PRIZE FOR ME
dub: that is my preference anyway
jcpham: seriously though just add it to my bill
jurov: jcpham, 10k shares of asspride will do as a consolation prize?
jcpham: i know you are good for it
mircea_popescu: i wish to take this opportunity and thank everyone present for acting so professionally
jcpham: sure tshirt shares will work
dub: thank you, we work hard to maintain the standard of trolling
mircea_popescu: without the backing of drama bitcoin might end up being useful
jcpham: i'll trade you 10k xrp for 10,000 shares of tulips
jcpham: should start an ripple hedge fund
mircea_popescu: why did i not think of that! why does nobody think of ripple when they have a problem ripple could solve! o ye gods!
jcpham: invest now in Soylent.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you figure it out or should I show you again :)
smickles: and it's just the key to send to mpexbot
smickles: if that was your sig, it should've worked
mircea_popescu: for some reason gpg thinks it's a detached signature ?!
smickles: hmm, maybe i had the wrong keyid for you
jurov: gpg can't get over these missing ---s? i thought that's their purpose
jurov: anyway, no love for ipv6? i'm looking into it for mpex.coinbr now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
jurov: hm, mpex6.coinbr.com should work (ipv6 only) but someohow doesn't here
mircea_popescu: jurov i talked with my provider, and allow me to quote :
mircea_popescu: "The US datacenters we have dont support IPv6 or if they do it is very limited. The London DC does support IPv6 but cPanel and a lot of the other stuff on the server doesn't so those IPs they are able to give, are actually useless at this time."
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 28 @ 0.00579 = 0.1621 BTC [+]
deadweasel: we have an electrical grid that is about to shit the bed, ipv6 is not an upgrade priority
FabianB_: lol, cPanel can't handle ipv6?
jurov: can anyone confirm mpex6.coinbr.com works? looks like my tunnel is b0rkt
FabianB_: if i were at home and not in hotel..
jurov: i can ping, i can connect. but no reply from webserver
FabianB_: jurov: how about locally on the server?
jurov: there it works. but amazon is not providing ipv6 end to end
jurov: i only provides ipv6 to ipv4 loadbalancer
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00194 = 0.0039 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it seems apparent we have some sort of ipv4 bridge or proxy or something in between
jurov: heh... "mpex.co is down" , "yea i saw boss going to the closet"
dub: theres somethign called a chain block
dub: its essentially maff and fings
jurov: i got confirmed it works.. so it's just my ipv6 tunnel
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 29 @ 0.1 = 2.9 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone has quick proof against point 1 there ?
jurov: this? 1) Without producing zero-day exploits
mircea_popescu: I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:
mircea_popescu: 1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem.
jurov: no proof. just that 0day happens independently from spec
deadweasel: also, it's just software. you ever seen 100% bug free software?
benkay: deadweasel i imagine you see mostly pretty buggy software
mircea_popescu: "o, we just shit in the code because really, who cares"
jurov: why do the girl (or/and you) insists going into such arguments? that's excellent the bait for taking the debate away from core points
mircea_popescu: in this cause because wuille's lie needs to be excised.
jurov: arguing who did or did not solve anything brilliantly or ducttape
mircea_popescu: they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand.
mircea_popescu: and they need to understand that they are kinda dumb. i dunno why they've not got it this far, but...
jurov: yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential
mircea_popescu: it may be tangential technically. there are significant political concerns involved here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: does this make me think she was actually any better than i originally thought ?
deadweasel: i'm just curious how big the dev team is and what their budget is.
mircea_popescu: the dev team is about six people (it does not include Luke-Jr, tho he keeps trying to pretend he's a dev)
jurov: i mean, what's the objective? getting devteam to admit their process sucks? then such argument misses the objective (albeit narrowly), cause it's aimed to people, not to process
mircea_popescu: they aren't paid, except for gavin, who is probably not paid anything much at all.
mircea_popescu: the foundation collected about half a million dollars which that conman from ycombinator controls
mircea_popescu: and will probably constitute the scamdrama of this summer.
mircea_popescu: jurov the objective is to illuminate the very rotten structure of their arguments.
jurov: i doubt this approach. you ought to decide whether you want to educate or get things done
jurov: not conflate it together
mircea_popescu: could this be extended to read "you ought to decide whether you want to run mpex, educate or get things done"?
jurov: whatever. as long as you know what ur doing
mircea_popescu: well, i hope i do and that's the best you can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: but if those who get things done don't educate, who will ? those who don't ? we;ve seen the results of that one heh.
jurov: those who will be left behind will educate themselves, as usual
mircea_popescu: i suspect past the original shock a good chunk of them ppl are actually reasonable in the head.
smickles: wait, did i just nix one of them?
jurov: noooo ipv6proxy is just testing site
jurov: mpex6.coinbr.com is the business
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.75723, Best ask: 46.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19277, Last trade: 46.95000, 24 hour volume: 49142.94060722, 24 hour low: 43.75080, 24 hour high: 47.29500, 24 hour vwap: 46.23022
mircea_popescu: no 30% swings in a day ? waht sort of bitcoin is this!
jurov: someone click that $1m button quickly
jurov: smickles, why not use the list i supplied?
smickles: jurov: i did, i messed up by pasting just the sig
benkay: what do you mean by "flushing deposits"?
mircea_popescu: a. mpex deposits and withdrawals are processed manually.
kakobrekla: he throws the coins in the toilet and flushes
benkay: i've always wondered why you do the deposits by hand
benkay: instead of depositor-unique receipt addresses
mircea_popescu: benkay there was exactly one bitcoin business unaffected by bitcoindev idiocy
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1 = 1.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: thats why withdrawals have been deprecated on mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hint : no, it wasn't those that trust them, like btc-guild.
benkay: i understand withdrawals.
mircea_popescu: you should understand deposits by the example i just gave.
benkay: are you talking about mpex deposits into customer addresses?
smickles: benkay: manual withdrawals protect the customer, manual deposits protect mpex (maybe)
benkay: i don't really get why incoming funds need to be processed by hand
jborkl: Lol, withdrawals have been deprecated
benkay: not trying to say you're doing it wrong. trying to understand why you do it the way you do.
mircea_popescu: but think, benkay. version .8 comes out. the chain is split
smickles: ug, who's brilliant idea was it to have an installation video and skip the text version
benkay: thanks for thinking for me.
benkay: different question, mp: why u no do depositor-unique addresses for mpex deposits?
smickles: I should do that and make a video of the text 'RTFM' with a link
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [+]
benkay: not having to identify deposits by amount.
kakobrekla: ya but one key with large sum is way cooler!
mircea_popescu: taint analysis idiots prosecute person y because clearly taint analysis proves he's x.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00599987 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00599987 = 0.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
smickles: all hail the romainians for protecting us from idiot juries
mircea_popescu: this is just an edge example, there's tons of others just as good really.
mircea_popescu: testing for inbound is a few degrees of magnitude easier with fixed address
benkay: so: nail me to the wall on this one, wouldja?
benkay: i've been thinking about generating completely unique receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: s/completely/moderately
benkay: they're all descended from the same keypair
benkay: generating new receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: mostly for convenience on the backend
benkay: doesn't address blockchain forking, granted.
benkay: customer hits funding page
benkay: we tie address to user account
benkay: wait for confirmations on spend to new address
mircea_popescu: i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet to 5gb
mircea_popescu: as we know, devteam hasn't mastered the mysteries of configuring berkley
mircea_popescu: i on the other hand haven't mastered the mysteries of spelling berkeley
smickles: ha! you make spelling errors too!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 500 @ 0.07993896 = 39.9695 BTC [-]
benkay: is it necessarily true that the wallet has to bloat?
benkay: can't you spend from the master key?
benkay: jonathan assia also says interesting things on the bitcoinx dev list
midnightmagic: the dev team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind
mircea_popescu: you have to keep the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in
dub: dont people tend to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his type of thing?
benkay: ah, so that's how it works today.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Whatever it says there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into the codebase.
benkay: what i really want is bip0032 addresses
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get to change things just by power of friendship which is magic.
mircea_popescu: lukejr would love to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're talking about now.
midnightmagic: even the stuff he does that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for the stuff that does.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you considered the possibility that he himself is not interested in being listed on bitcoin.org ?
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mircea_popescu: "give us more money so coinlab can float it on top of whatever it gets from users"
mircea_popescu: "but we can't finance anything useful because bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wouldn't deign jgarzik's crossposted crap with much attention.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and talk.
mircea_popescu: this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring them more asskicking.
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midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered the possibility that, if you want to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective than more?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bet much on the future of anyone that thinks they can stand up to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote.
midnightmagic: This is a people issue I bring up, not a by-rights issue. Are you actually interested in persuasion, or just in ranting angrily because.. why?
mircea_popescu: i am interested in splitting any group into two, the sensible and the worthless
mircea_popescu: if people have enough sense, they'll persuade themselves.
smickles: i just filled out a captcha, got it wrong
smickles: the next one says "almost sucker"
dub: you are clearly not human
mircea_popescu: smickles it's why i never do that, fucking hell i get them wrong half the time
midnightmagic: Reasonable humans will be turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths?
midnightmagic: Much of what you're saying is precisely what the microcash guy was saying.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
dub: and since there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev...
mircea_popescu: dub there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people there
jurov: midnightmagic can you name some of the angry raging psychopaths that were attracted to mp?
midnightmagic: jurov: I have seen this happen before with RealSolid.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you should at some point consider that the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens than actual object of observation.
jurov: lol my question was understood the other and third way around
mircea_popescu: similarities are by definition subject to this suspicion.
midnightmagic: So build the alternative already. Hire the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you think are so cheap and visionless on their own. If you think this alternative will win, build it and let it win.
mircea_popescu: "you people fucked up" "please stop telling us we fucked up because :
mircea_popescu: you call this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on the eyes than the average shaved donkey butt
midnightmagic: Since when did I call the bitcoin devs reasonable?
midnightmagic: Obviously the devs themselves aren't going to bother participating in your alternative.
midnightmagic: Whoever it is you think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful.
mircea_popescu: you are telling me about the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other than by reference to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't this be by definition something i'd know better than you then ?
midnightmagic: You are the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are the one who defined it.
midnightmagic: Again, the difference here is that I am actually trying to communicate, and you are trying to be contradictory.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is NOT the group of idiots that identify with it
midnightmagic: 15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
mircea_popescu: what i am doing is i am dividing the group of bitcoin supporters, by taking away bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the reasonable will follow. the "they think are reasonable" will continue in the sort of fanboish obscurity they enjoy.
mircea_popescu: they're kids because their window to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed.
mircea_popescu: they're drowning in code for quite obvious reasons i won't rehash.
midnightmagic: And users who "support" them. Including the biggest exchange, most of the smaller exchanges, the major developers, the cryptographers who review the work done, the pools who secure the blockchain, and the hardware builders springing up to do so who have already made strong ties with the *current* development team.
mircea_popescu: tyvm. the approximate sum value of your list is epslion.
midnightmagic: I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no true scotsman"
mircea_popescu: and if you think the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in the raging psychopath group yourself.
mircea_popescu: what has the successful attack recently demonstrated ?
midnightmagic: Lots of things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of the whole you are referring to.
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mircea_popescu: i note you picked the stylistical out of that list. do address the lag and the other point sometime.
midnightmagic: I'm not going to defend the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination.. to rant and attack so endlessly.
benkay: you might want to read polimedia
midnightmagic: benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.
benkay: if you're being sarcastic, I don't parse sarcasm online.
midnightmagic: benkay: <sarcasm>How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.</sarcasm>
mircea_popescu: someone should make htsp and then have inane specifications
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Look, I'm telling you dude. The more you rant, the more you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view.
benkay: midnightmagic: have you read polimedia?
mircea_popescu: no dude. you are telling me that some vanitous idiots would like the benefit of claiming we're friends
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You don't have to be friends with someone to engage in civil discourse.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that some people ran off with their c++ hairball implementation of what they call civil discourse
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in the Badge: "I tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits thereby."
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring those people.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic read bitcoin-dev sometime. it's chockfull.
midnightmagic: It is for those exact reasons why the need is great for heterogency in client implementations. Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it.
midnightmagic: Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec.
midnightmagic: As you are so fond of saying, hire the braindead monkeys who can do it *for* you for the peanuts you say they're worth, and have them do it.
mircea_popescu: so i'm takingthat as a sort of up and down and all about no.
midnightmagic: I am not interested in working on that project, if you are offering me a job.
midnightmagic: I know you have trouble when people talk back to you and all, but geez man. At a certain point, don't let the concorde fallacy trap you into pursuing a dead end.
jurov: midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes?
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midnightmagic: jurov: I'm not. He says so all the time. Perhaps you should take benkay's advice.
jurov: midnightmagic you revealed your gaping incompetence in this area then
mircea_popescu: seriously midnightmagic, i think you're abstracting your past history of interaction with who knows who and painting it on me.
jurov: midnightmagic, I still lack concrete examples. Names.
jurov: Either the "reaging idiots" who supposedly are attracted to mp
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're getting at.
jurov: Or the "reasonable people" that would be supportng him "if..."
mircea_popescu: if you spend your childhood living among white people, abnd being told niggers are to be identified by x y z and they do k l m things,
midnightmagic: jurov: Your English still needs work. My verb tense in context was indicative of that-which-happens-from-here-on.
mircea_popescu: you are bound to misbehave wehn confronted with actual black people.
midnightmagic: jurov: I dunno actual names. It's irrelevant to the point.
mircea_popescu: just so, it'd seem to me, you've been told how to identify independent thought, and what great evil it is, and now when you discover it in the actual world you immediately jump to the conclusion tis evil.
jurov: midnightmagic, so there was not the case in the past? what is the problem then?
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: hello. I hope all my statements including you were correctly inferenced as rhetorical device and not assertions of fact.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I am not afraid to be civil. Why are you?
mircea_popescu: you know, girl wants to get married. after tears have washed pointlessly about the room, her new line becomes "why are you affraid of commitment"
mircea_popescu: i'm not affraid of commitment bitch. i just don't care for your definition of it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I assert you are, have been, and will likely continue to be uncivil and discourteous.
mircea_popescu: being civil is not a formal concern. it does NOT mean not calling people idiots. if indeed they are idiots then that's that, verity proof.
mircea_popescu: people who lie by presenting the mining corruption as "consensus", they are being uncivil.
mircea_popescu: and on a related point, you don't go to heaven by never saying "jesus sucks" etiher.
benkay: what do you mean by "mining corruption"?
midnightmagic: That is an English definitional nuance which you are assuming, but which is not reality.
mircea_popescu: benkay do you know how the most recent fork was resolved ?
benkay: sort of; devs said "use 0.7" and everyone did
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that dispute as to reality will have to come to my grave.
mircea_popescu: stalin said "everyone vote" and evertyone did. what democratic process is this ?
benkay: how many times do you think they can pull it off?
mircea_popescu: in an ultimately doomed effort to prop the dirt as respectable.
benkay: that's just politics though
midnightmagic: Gah.. dude.. your weird sayings aren't translating so well.
mircea_popescu: well that's unfortunate for them because i happen to be better at politics than they're at coding.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I didn't understand the context :P
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I was just asserting that the amount of work you do in bitcoind essentially makes you a bitcoin developer, even if your name isn't on bitcoin.org.
BitHub: hey guys did you get your ASICMINER div as well?
jurov: Luke-Jr: don't sweat, me too, he sounds serious but in the end it's all just hypothetical
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr he's somehow bothered with everyone mocking you for trying your damnest to pass yourself off as a dev
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I also proffered the possibility you didn't want your name up there on purpose, to outline our collective ignorance.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I got that, but .. why did it matter? XD
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I dunno why he started ranting about you. But he gets upset when I don't address each of his points individually.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I don't see it as something worth my time arguing a case for.
benkay: has anything in this conversation?
BitHub: ahhh Luke, going there to pick it up?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: not sure if I'll pick it up or let them ship it
Luke-Jr: although I guess they might be expecting me to take it with me
BitHub: are you kind of going there to confirm it all?
BitHub: so you'll pretty much be teh first person with a bfl?
dub: BitHub: yes re: AM div btw (sorry for the on-topic interlude people)
BitHub: this weeks seemed the highest yet
dub: yeah, enjoy, next week is the last
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm mainly going there to make sure BFGMiner is ready to go (shipping on the MiniRigs)
dub: catfriedrice said next weeks will fullfil the 'pay out 0.1 first' requirement, which seems about right, so next divs will be half less more expenses
BitHub: good time to sell then
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benkay: i know that and i'm not even holding any
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benkay: in other news, loud black humans in snack car
benkay: ruin my train trip why doncha
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benkay: ^^ very important information
sevenWiabores: who are you mircea_popescu, your nick sounds very familiar
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benkay: (to finish that story, the best part was the really uptight black guy staring at the loud negroes)
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
benkay: (i just told them i could block out high dB convserations or music but not both)
dub: continuing the wtfality of bitcoin asset universe
dub: doom projected for AM profits in varios places == increased demand
sevenWiabores: I am just nobody, but I am pretty sure I saw your name somewhere... I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not familiar with the who's who
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benkay: hardly passive aggressive for the pacnw
jurov: gonna organize am shorting
jurov: in fact i didn't list anything new on bitfunder for some time
benkay: spent much time in this corner of the us, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: alternatively, some people don't like me. they run things into the ground.
dub: jurov: can you convince Ukto to make it render in firefox?
dub: jurov: buttfunder that is
jurov: dub, you mean misplaced buy/sell boxes?
dub: make the market link visible
LameCoin-: mircea are you from romania or US your english is american?
Ukto: where is it not visible?
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LameCoin-: a friend of mine is from timisoara
Ukto: dub: hm. you dont see it in the top left?
dub: Ukto: sometimes I do
Ukto: 'View asset market'
dub: Ukto: depends on teh machine/browser im on
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dub: ff is the failing one
dub: well its been reported before
Ukto: what version? I hadnt seen it lol
benkay: mircea_popescu: why did you choose to live in romania?
mircea_popescu: back in 2007 it became obvious the us is sinking. didn't want to be on that part of the world. had to go somewhere.
jurov: Ukto if you resize the width to around 1000-1100px
LameCoin-: timisoara is nice its different then the rest of romania
jurov: the view asset bar hides
dub: 19 here, pretty sure it was broke in some previous, goat was having problems a few days ago too
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's closer to vienna than bucharest indeed.
Ukto: yeah, i will get it fixed.
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Ukto: the top bar spans 2 lines and covers it
LameCoin-: mircea: do you think that fork could have been the end of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- that fork itself could have festered if anyone ddosed the attacking pool.
mircea_popescu: but not really. the burried problems that caused the fork however most definitely will end btcoin if unadressed.
LameCoin-: i really dont like these alternates like litecoin inflating the money supply
benkay: i'm not even convinced we've converged on a codebase
mircea_popescu: just the butthurt when somebody finally says, wait, you think you people matter ?!
mircea_popescu: is ample proof this wasn't even seriously considered, let alone settled.
LameCoin-: the development team became to obsessed thinking they are economists and philosophers
LameCoin-: nerds should never be given any type of authority
mircea_popescu: when they're barely qualified to write code. but anyway :
Ukto: hm, i think I will just move terms and conditions to the footer
mircea_popescu: preparing for the "too big to fail" arguments, it'll be a warm summer.
Ukto: its wasting too much space
BitHub: some of these guys aren't qualified?
BitHub: kind of like getting the airport janitor to fly the plane no?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i mean that's what's coming next, "guise our shit has taken too much blood sweat and tears to be abandoned and we should forever wallow in it"
benkay: turbine blade engineer
benkay: still should not fly plane.
LameCoin-: are you suggesting they wont repair the problems?
mircea_popescu: that's what midnightmagic means by concorde fallacy : the mistaken idea that the current codebase is useful because it cost people a lot of money through all the bugs it pushed on them so far.
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- they would if they could. so far their consensus seems to be they're not smart enough to do it.
mircea_popescu: i learned about it when it was 15. bought like 1k worth
BitHub: maybe everyone should pitch in a lil btc to pay teh pros
Bowjob: I told my friend about it
Bowjob: now he's like.. can I buy $300 worth?
LameCoin-: bowjob: less then 0.1% of bitcoiners actually held coins from $2 to $50
Bowjob: I'm like.. no. I can sell you $100
Bowjob: it would be nice if you missed all the crashing
Bowjob: This was when BTC started from 13 to 50 rally
Bowjob: it was 17 when i mentioned it
LameCoin-: mircea it works the same for any bull market, 1983-2000 dow jones 75% of the public didnt even participate one bit
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic do you have the figure for "how much unencrypted wallet.dat" cost ?
Ukto: dub: there, problem fixed
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- this is true. i'm just saying, i think a lot more people held btc than .1%
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Do you have the figure for how much the encrypted wallet.dat has cost?
LameCoin-: i doubt it go read on bitcoin talk how many sold out after 20-30% gains hoping to buy back in
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic sadly power-ranger team has not the time to do any auditing or reporting, so no.
Bowjob: Theres this dude who forgot he had a wallet.dat with lots of coins
Ukto: I was tired of seeing that link up there anyways.
jurov: Ukto, did you test it in chrome?
Bowjob: nah, it was a single person
Bowjob: he gave away 350 BTC to reddit users
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- do you mean .1% by headcount or by coincount ?
Bowjob: i got 5 btc from that stash
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Always the insults. And how does derogatory statements that are purely derogatory fit under the "telling the truth" umbrella you were espousing earlier?
Bowjob: i assume he had thosands
jurov: in konqueror+webkit it still does hide
Ukto: is the terms still at the top ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic point of fact is, the only way we know how much implementing it cost is by devteam saying "we spent 5 hours doing this"
jurov: but that's fringe browser, never mind
jurov: no term si on bottom
Ukto: but it acts the same? 0,o
Ukto: i will try to check it a bit later
LameCoin-: mircea: from my studies of markets, it is very very rare that anyone participates in a huge move
Ukto: have to get konqueror
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Were you referring to how many bitcoins were lost due to a wallet being easily stolen by a hacker?
Ukto: either way, thanks for letting me know guys. mucho appreciato. :)
LameCoin-: mircea: considering herding applies to all markets, even bitcoin just go read how many missed the boat on the latest rally over on the forums its astonishing
jurov: Ukto, just get webkit anything, like chromium. konqueror pulls half of kde in.
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's a weak supposition this, linear generalisation from fiat to bitcoin markets. we're still working at getting the hang of this
LameCoin-: how many in here rode bitcoin from $2 to 50
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of paradoxical movement (dub was referring one of the more documented types recentyl)
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: So tell me after all these months of vitriol.. how successful have you been at dividing bitcoin into "actual reasonable people" and "worthless" people?
LameCoin-: mircea if you take a poll of channel you will find it to be a small %
midnightmagic: You've been hating on the devs for far longer than that.
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: well he has a point, the devs have turned into economists and politicians, they are suppose to be coders
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: nerds love to give themselves excessive credit when they percieve something going their way
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i know at least a coupla people here who held, so it'd be above 1% for sure :)
midnightmagic: LameCoin-: I have no idea how you'd even show that without your hypothesis instantly falling to contradiction.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you still got any coins minted a year or two ago ?
LameCoin-: mircea: what type of market cap are you realstically expecting for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i'd better start remembering at least the motherfucking titles.
LameCoin-: 14k per coin is enough to support a 50 trillion dollar global economy assuming everyone uses nothing but bitcoin
LameCoin-: so we can assume thousands per coin are not really realistic
dub: LameCoin-: remember we can divide the coins further
LameCoin-: the current world has a base money supply of about 4 trillion
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- notional derivative trade is literally boundless.
jurov: dub, that could end up akin to "oh we can add some bits to internet address later"
mircea_popescu: if it settles in bitcoin it doesn't even matter if the world uses zimbabwe dollars.
mircea_popescu: but that's a minor point comparing to the other hairs sticking out of the code
dub: jurov: it'd require a fork yea
dub: one would hope it isnt going to require as many forlifts as your example
LameCoin-: the balance of macroeconomic power will never shift from the west in our lifetime
LameCoin-: mircea: how so? can you name any innovations/products you actually use from the east?
mircea_popescu: products are not the point. you were discussing macroeconomy.
LameCoin-: the east has nothing to offer to be honest
mircea_popescu: the problem seems to be you're mingling a lot of assumptions crafted for comfort into your estimations.
LameCoin-: china with 1.6billion people has *0* worldwide brands
LameCoin-: the only ones they have were purchased from the west ie lenovo
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- because by "worldwide" you count a pool of 2-300mn people nobody cares abnout.
BitHub: who needs brands when ya making money
mircea_popescu: fact is, the us has zero worldwide brands in the sense that china has baidu and doesn't care about google.
LameCoin-: bithub but they arent making money
LameCoin-: most asian companies have aweful ROI
BitHub: is that why they own most of usa's debt?
LameCoin-: bithub: thats because they recycle it through debasement of their own currency
LameCoin-: mircea: the balance of trade in the EU is positive.
BitHub: west isn't even using m-wallets or m-commerce yet
mircea_popescu: the stakes just got too high for my blood in this convo.
LameCoin-: the US balance of trade is mostly energy
LameCoin-: asians are running modern day versions of mercantalism
LameCoin-: they think the way to prosperity is subsidizing exports in order to accumulate intrinsically worthless dollars
LameCoin-: read what happend to the british when they believed in mercantalism
BitHub: we're making money over ere
LameCoin-: once again, most asians firms have absolutely aweful ROI's
LameCoin-: if the balance of power was shifting to the east we would all be using asian brands and praising asian innovations
LameCoin-: only low end manufacturing comes out of china
mircea_popescu: your asian cultural masters slapped an american looking label on it
LameCoin-: mircea: wrong, only the lowest tech
LameCoin-: the largest exporter in the world per capita is actually germany
BitHub: its true, its a good trick
mircea_popescu: even when it came to it, asian firms delivered mining asics
LameCoin-: they only were capable of producing them
BitHub: but they delivered them
BitHub: what's blf doing again?
LameCoin-: because they have low end manufacturing capability
BitHub: asking for more money?
LameCoin-: when mercedes builds a 100k vehicle in a day
LameCoin-: an asian manufacturer has to produce a months worth+ of low end trinkets
LameCoin-: asian productivity is extremely low
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is mined on asian designed, asian produced, asian delivered asics.
BitHub: mtgox is in asia now btw
LameCoin-: japans entire manufacturing infrastructure was developed from western instruction after WW2
BitHub: nah i dont really care i love both the west and asia
LameCoin-: they just excell at implementation
BitHub: they both got great girls
LameCoin-: name a product innovated from japan?
LameCoin-: all electronics were EU tech, that the japanese perfected
Bowjob: bukakke noodles are delicious
BitHub: used ladies panty vending machines
Bowjob: yeah i forgot about that
Bowjob: where they serve live fish
LameCoin-: as i stated before, if asians were going to rule we would be in awe at all the asian brands\innovations around us
BitHub: you're just racist LameCoin
BitHub: jealous of asia or something
dub: asia survive with brute force, they add little value overwall
LameCoin-: im just stating its a myth that the east is taking anything over
Bowjob: they invented engrish as well
mircea_popescu: this is like saying mpex doesn't add value because css.
mircea_popescu: things don't work that way, you don't get to define what value is.
BitHub: its like saying the scottish and welsh and irish add no value to britian
LameCoin-: the only value asia added was providing cheap manufacturing facilities
dub: all of these tech innovators you ascribe have higher suicide rates in their sweatshops than american unemployment
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LameCoin-: there are no tech innovators coming out of asia
dub: it will cease to scale at some point
LameCoin-: they dont even have the capacity for advanced manufacturing ie germany style
mircea_popescu: all harddrives in the world are made in the same azn river bank
mircea_popescu: all memory is made there. all semiconductors are produced in asia
LameCoin-: putting a HD together is LOW end manufacturing
BitHub: who needs to innvoate when you can rip everything off
dub: thats edge case shit, they produce tech because we did the maff and worked out it was cheaper to let them do it
BitHub: isn't that what Hollywood did to John WOO?
BitHub: every good 90's action hollywood film wouldn't exists if they didn't rip off HK cinema
BitHub: and the west offers shitty products you don't need?
dub: like spray on cheese and tube fish
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
Ukto: thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+]
Namworld: [20:52] <LameCoin-> i think the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is inflation of money supply through many pointless forks being created
Namworld: what do you mean? There's many forks and they're mostly valueless
kakobrekla: > trusted BitcoinTalk member < theres such thing??
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i trust people on there to deliver prime comedy
dub: a_meteorite: because bitcoin
dub: LameCoin-: because bitcoin idiots (perhaps more dconcise)
dub: I swear my typing really isnt this bad, make way less errors on local terminals, im blaming synergy
dub: I'd blame the corporate notwork except it happens at home too
dub: because they got their bitcoin selling guns on SR
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110910892487 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 900 @ 0.03297065 = 29.6736 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: no more margin on 1broker, icbit it lost in space
mircea_popescu: Actually there is a closing trade fee now for April and later contracts!
mircea_popescu: They added that in an attempt to force people out of their positions rather than just sitting on them; they claim it'll aid liquidity. Greedy.
mircea_popescu: basically... they fixed the site to stop cheating after i slapped them last year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7999 = 8.9995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.8 = 5.4 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: while bit4x traded over 50mio units on fx :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.72489 = 11.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.724999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.724999 = 4.35 BTC [+]
jborkl: so asicminer market cap is approx 13 million usd.:(
jborkl: didnt we already see that show ,didnt it start with g and end with a s
jborkl: reruns are kinda boring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.725 = 15.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.7679 = 22.2691 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7679 = 1.5358 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7679 = 17.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.768 = 3.84 BTC [+]
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.03104, Best ask: 47.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14896, Last trade: 47.18000, 24 hour volume: 49293.76971465, 24 hour low: 44.80000, 24 hour high: 47.35000, 24 hour vwap: 46.58184
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.7171 / 0.768 (437 shares, 313.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71809 / 1 (1361 shares, 977.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69841 / 1 (1915 shares, 1337.4 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00515 / 0.00597371 / 0.00599987 (976 shares, 5.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00526468 / 0.006 (140672 shares, 740.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613969 / 0.0069 (2440740 shares, 14,985.40 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7679 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.769999 = 6.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.77 = 10.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.77 = 15.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 60 @ 0.2599 = 15.594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.
BitHub: i think they decided to give up on google and apple
BitHub: and just go after the citazens again and get their taxes
BitHub: alot of USD bitcoiners about to get fucked
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.04438197 = 44.382 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: heh I guess asicminer is going weekly dividends
BitHub: some of these companies its hardly worth risking 50btc every month to get a lil div.
Diablo-D3: BitHub: asicminer is the only company I'm really trusting atm
BitHub: want to buy some more of their shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.725 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.725 = 1.45 BTC [-]
BitHub: i'm looking for a 1btc each exit
BitHub: bbs, pm me d3 if intrested.
Bowjob: Sell buttocins according to this dude
Diablo-D3: BitHub: not interested at this time
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.00688 = 0.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00688 = 0.1514 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000705 = 0.0071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00579 = 0.0347 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 27 @ 0.000707 = 0.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.04420293 = 33.1522 BTC [-]
Troic: well, etoro wants to join the fun but report all back to govt, old poker news rehashed, +ve bloomberg coverage and that malta fund thingy has new cringetastic site.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2599 = 0.5198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00569985 = 1.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05846793 = 35.0808 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.68902, Best ask: 47.68943, Bid-ask spread: 0.00041, Last trade: 47.68901, 24 hour volume: 49887.21742911, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 47.68901, 24 hour vwap: 46.70191
Bowjob: gearing up for $48 woo
Bowjob: i look forward to the day I can pay with some of my expensive meals with 0.1 BTC
Namworld: For now it affords some fastfood snack
dub: whats and expensive meal?
Bowjob: thats my average price
dub: I was gonna say $200 for 1 is starting to get pricey
dub: though one of my regular haunts has $1/gram steak minimum 200g
dub: thats just he steak too, sides/sauce etc is extra
Bowjob: if its $1 a gram, it better be kobe beef
Bowjob: not some americanized wagyu steak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599986 BTC [+]
dub: I want to say australia but I can't remember
Bowjob: theres a ban on export of kobe beef
Bowjob: so it cant be from japan
Bowjob: most likely australia or america
dub: paid $1500 for a table of 5 a little while ago, with plenty of booze
Bowjob: actually, i got my info wrong japan lifted the ban on kobe beef
Bowjob: but it's still ultra rare in north america
Bowjob: i had american wagyu, it was delicious.. I wanna try the real thing one day
dub: even type-o's can't process that shit properly
benkay: aww blacktape where u goins?
dub: my buddy has a good excuse 'I don't eat anything that has to shit'
dub: I kicked smoking and most drugs
dub: none of my vego friends are particularly healthy
dub: they still shitty food
ThickAsThieves: i'm no supermodel, but thats mostly cuz i'm on the computer too much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-]
dub: because they are flying Luke-Jr out to make the software work?
dub: given that they have not reached out to ask upgraders to return fpgas I doubt it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 449 @ 0.005 = 2.245 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mircae_popescu: what will your new method for getting order id's out to brokers be?
benkay: i'm reading your feb 2013 "innards" post
benkay: and how does that manifest as a significant pain point? i haven't noticed a significant lag between when people post orders and when the pastebin goes up
benkay: It doesn’t currently even know what id that order will receive in the trade engine, which is even more inconvenient for brokers that handle multiple customer accounts (but we’re working on a way to significantly mitigate this, which will be the next major update barring exigent necessity).
benkay: so a) what is new method
benkay: and b) not really a question but this is a pain point for people? just wait ten seconds for order id to get returned.
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: yeah, lots of crazy people
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: no idea, i work 20 hour days so i dont really pay attention to forums
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing of note to read there anyway... just a bunch of bitcoin-tabloid type topics bout nothing :/
mircea_popescu: coingenuity i have people paid to pay attention and i have people paid to man the watchtowers for me.
mircea_popescu: benkay superficially it is not a problem, but on the old system (before the previous upgrade) there existed windows of a few minutes between when the trade engine executed and when the web proxies reported.
mircea_popescu: the solution basically allows the person putting in the order to compute a hash of it and then identify it in their execution reports.
mircea_popescu: at the present time it only works if your order hits the book
mircea_popescu: i am considering expanding it to work both ways and fully identify trades but there's also performance issues to consider and a whole keboodle.
dub: pokey as in Magical Pokey Usagi?
kakobrekla: and whats with the people funding fiat investments with bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
benkay: meh. let brokers track their own orders.
Ukto: [21:21] <ThickAsThieves> i think BFL will ship this month <-- I see your putting your mouth where your money is. ;)
kakobrekla: Beauxe : Newbie : Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! : Today at 04:07:51 AM
kakobrekla: I have run and started commodity exchanges. I am currently running one and would like to apply our technology and knowledge to bit coin. There is a decent possibility we may be able to list futures and other derivatives around BTC and LTC. Please whitelist me.
benkay: mircae how did you get into the business of starting an exchange?
kakobrekla: assbot would say 'you actions are useless'
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the day you find there's a new pope from this bitcoi nbetting site you're involved with
mircea_popescu: people are basically in the middle ages, they;'d like to apply their potions and salves
mircea_popescu: meanwhile im trolling sarah silverman. curious how this goes.
mircea_popescu: in my experience nothing burns the retarded left more than pointing out that their bullshit is mostly dreamed up.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must remind them of their parents or something.
BitHub: hah maybe she's trolling?
BitHub: seems like something she would do
BitHub: nice background pic hehe
toffoo: any background story behind your twitter wallpaper photo mircea?
BitHub: oh i thought it was mircea walking down the street
BitHub: you know who's fun to troll on twitter? Kanye West
BitHub: because he'll actually take it serious and reply and go on about it
BitHub: she was pretty hot in those seinfeld eps
mircea_popescu: toffoo too lazy to grep this monstrous 2mb log. basically, me in mexico walking down the street eatin' chocolates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05716318 = 34.2979 BTC [-]
toffoo: "it's not a purse, it's european"?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: update the faq and s/oldkeyid/newkeyid/. you changed it at the top, but oldkeyid persists further down.
Ukto: coingenuity: check your pms
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
grubles: mircea_popescu is there a way you can check if my account is active still
gribble: Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~buttsniff@unaffiliated/grubles', is not identified.
gribble: You are identified as user grubles, with GPG key id DDA96139C85CA43C, key fingerprint E02F7FF6CF582669BB266B53DDA96139C85CA43C, and bitcoin address 1DYVwy7Ru7fJ8HwwoL5VHTUR5jCWG38JPk
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 (5000 shares, 3.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074201 / 0.00076718 (903469 shares, 670.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069343 / 0.00078628 (45613856 shares, 31,630.07 BTC)
gribble: Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC in IRC.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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mpexbot: mircea_popescu: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'5', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'90144085', u'vsa': u'216644138243', u'vsh': u'2408', u'avg': u'89968495.9481'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'33', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'153153505', u'vsa': u'3065600173348', u'vsh': u'28783', u'avg': u'106507319.367'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Bids: ['300 @ 150000', '500 @ 140000', '1000 @ 130000', '1000 @ 120010', '5000 @ 120000']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['300 @ 181000', '500 @ 183000', '1000 @ 185000', '3000 @ 190000', '2210 @ 197000']
benkay: dev team thinks tests are silly
benkay: mpex runs tests on production in public
mircea_popescu: basically i can't shake this tom green image from my head.
mircea_popescu: you know what scene when he delivers a baby in the messiest way possible
grubles: theyre too busy polishing their shiny new avalon asics
grubles: tom green was funny when i was in middle school
mircea_popescu: grubles which is why he's so adequate in this discussion
grubles: except freddy got fingered
benkay: chorus: "go do it yourself!"
grubles: there can be alternates but they wont have the bitcoin mafia i mean foundation backing them
grubles: people will either have to accept one client over another
benkay: this time the devs convinced the miners to do things their way.
benkay: this may not always be the case.
benkay: especially when power begins to concentrate behind people who understand how open platforms are supposed to work
benkay: or people with lots of money
mircea_popescu: benkay moreover, especially as people with actual skin in the game start to emerge.
mircea_popescu: currently the miners are more in it for the bragging rights than for the money
benkay: think cambrian explosion of bitcointech
mircea_popescu: this makes for a very dysfunctional lord of the flies environment
benkay: interoperability is typically important
benkay: but beyond my pay grade tbh
benkay: also it's *inevitable* that the chain fork and fuck some people eventually
benkay: people all want reward and no risk
benkay: best have good tech, homeboy
benkay: the people who appreciate well engineered things will quietly keep their shit regular
benkay: while the rest of the plebnet falls further and further behind
benkay: recreational miners are fucked
mircea_popescu: and one that is very probable if people stuck to the sort of nonsense evertyone's used to.
benkay: no it's a possibility though
benkay: i think the system is multistable
benkay: mp wants to drive it to one place
benkay: devs don't have a vision
assbot: quest for vision is a great blessing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Wow, kakobrekla; I thought I was planning something stupid...
BingoBongo: Today in a moment of weakness I was tempted to register on the WOT and start cloning the late Intrade so I could supply idiots with the Bucketshop that they need
BingoBongo: I'm just trying to figure out how little reserves a "prediction market" needs to really operate...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05662037 = 33.9722 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: maybe mircea_popescu can enlighten you
BingoBongo: Maybe I'm reading wrong which wouldn't be the first time, but it seems like a fair way to separate idiots from their coin.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1408 @ 0.005 = 7.04 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu I've done bankrupt in the legal liquidation sense before. Surprisingly pleasant.
BingoBongo: If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway
mircea_popescu: for all the nuts ranting and raving about how inept she is in that thread...
BingoBongo: Really they need to kill BDB with fire. There is no other way. Gavin doesn't have a way to maintain BDB compatibility in LevelDB.
BingoBongo: BDB just doesn't play nicely with other databases.
mircea_popescu: okay... but i mean, it's old and stable, well tested, much deployed
BingoBongo: An analogy is how there is no good Postgre fork of WordPress
BingoBongo: it is just a Google doohickey, but it works better and the license is right
mircea_popescu: tho i think code conservatism may be more valuable. rather use something muchly used than something faster, if those are the only two data points.
BingoBongo: The problem isn't faster the problem is scalability. SatoshiDice for all I defended it against, with BDB's locking bahavior killed BDB as a bitcoin dependency
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 225769 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4829378.08809 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.56582
gribble: There are currently 95281.952 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10346802.3062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 707.1424 seconds
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 753.6468 seconds
gribble: There are currently 28952.846 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1417409.54359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 769.2750 seconds
gribble: There are currently 264838.33 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 6269951.46228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 785.5630 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 912.4385 seconds
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1030.6224 seconds
kakobrekla: coincidentally im just writing a short report aroud that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
BitHub: what was wrong with that italian president that has cex with a hooker?
mircea_popescu: ya well, if you factor her mental age into this equation...
BitHub: i liked how he rigged the recent election
BingoBongo: Hey, the Lira is still cheaper than quilted Northern
BitHub: yeah been back for an hour, caught up in cleaning, trolling, hows the testing going?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.0419584 = 31.4688 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Less than 5 per cent of users predicted to be gay, for example, were connected with explicitly gay groups.
BitHub: you better have been luling at me then
BingoBongo: It all depends on BBet's definition of publication and the amount of juices BBet has running down there desiring a won house bet.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the bet reads that support will be published. nonsuport being published isn't related is it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Just think the first graphene took some scotch tape and a #2 pencil
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 200 @ 0.05561259 = 11.1225 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: Isn't Avalon still struggling to get a fraction of the first batch out/
BingoBongo: It seems units shipped rather than units blown up is still going to be the deciding factor at the wire
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla some way to link to comments specifically ?
Anduck: why didnt the "before march" bet get any bets :(
Anduck: well, it did get like 20 btc
BingoBongo: lol, BFL through recklessness might make it this time though
Bowjob: looks like btc-e is down
BingoBongo: March 15th was too imaginably close. The 31st though is an inconceivable neverland of miracles.
BingoBongo: They elected a Jesuit, so they boy touching is never going away
Anduck: soo close the 15th march bet alrdy? =D
Anduck: "Resolution: in 15 hours 51 minutes (15-03-2013)"
BingoBongo: I think BFL might ship something, but probably miss the target
Bowjob: meanwhile.. btc-e is down
BingoBongo: If it isn't NVC and trades on Btc-e it trades on Vircurex with greater market making opportunities
BingoBongo: BTC-E has more volume than Vircurex, but but Vircurex has so many opportunities to trap idiots by using thin Bid/Ask walls. If bitcoin is play money what are these altcoins...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 520 @ 0.005 = 2.6 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: Already first hit on Google for "trilema blog cat"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54900001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.549 = 13.725 BTC [-]
grubles: the 'cat' a euphemism for the female body part?
grubles: if so there is probably more than one post
mircea_popescu: and yes there's approximately speaking between 5490680 and 59804586 cunts on tyrilema
grubles: mircea_popescu: the red or the white?
grubles: do...do you get that reference or are you the only romanian that has watched ace ventura
BingoBongo: kakobrakla your bounty on Rugatu is redeemable now
BingoBongo: Ah, needs to move from pending to approved. SHould be available in 2 hours, probably...
grubles: i feel like your nick should be bingoboingo
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
wh1t3r4bb1t: Send me around the world on bitcoins only so I can document it and make a movie
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t where are you starting from?
BingoBongo: I'm afraid your best bet is to spin around in a circle... I'm afarid the price to drag my Saturn down there is a bit too steep...
wh1t3r4bb1t: I will zig zag around the world proving that you do not need anything but bitcoin to survive.
Anduck: selling asicminer @ 0.78
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t It seems you underestimate the ability my plastic Saturn L-series sedan has shown to swim in the past...
mircea_popescu: yes, the point of the article is "here's how you cook cat"
mircea_popescu: all these doods with the kobe bs never had decent mare.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.769998 = 7.7 BTC [+]
dub: hot with dat gpu rig running
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7351 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.07093982 = 53.2049 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: just me misinterpreting regular price fluctuation in btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0054 = 1.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.769998 = 3.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769999 = 3.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingobongo hey, SalvorHardin and Philip both win. mark the first guy as winner and tell the other to get in touch here.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005199 = 0.052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so in the end is bitfunder streaming quotes or not rly ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the internet is full of cats
smickles: and trilema is a subset of the internet
mircea_popescu: ya but girls are full of cooties, guys are a subset of hm
mircea_popescu: i know there's something wrong with your logic but unsure what exactly
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's an informal fallacy
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00999 = 1.998 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm testing my sales system now, since i've decided to release what I have now as a 'beta' at half price.
mircea_popescu: (also, you might consider making use of the ref system)
smickles: I haven't put thought into how that would work yet
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 5 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.737 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.39839 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: watch luke & idiotco learn chinese to better explain why everyone should care about their pasty-ass preconceptions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.16 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.1502 = 1.3518 BTC [-]
dub: well apaprently lluke has 5th of asic on his pool
dub: and that better not be asicminer
Namworld: ASICMINER will need to get a better chip out soon after these first batches tho
dub: pretty sure that was the plan
dub: shrinking the process is not as hard as starting over
ThickAsThieves: mp your article is kinda depressing. i think you might underestimate how many people feel like they are the only ones that see The Right Way, and separately that you could just as easily not be Right at all (life is tricky that way). You seem to care (be bothered by) so much about people that you feel are worth so little.
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish between the case where you're right and the case where you're wrong
mircea_popescu: obviously this isn't a vestable attribute, like "being tall"
mircea_popescu: well, if you're going the route of relativism might as well forget about action at all
ThickAsThieves: i think human nature includes wanting everyone to be more like what you want
ThickAsThieves: some people handle that by just copying others to be more like the group
mircea_popescu: evolution forces species to be more like "right", for a natural definition of that term.
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna be careful cuz i'm, not quite the level of philospher/anthropologist you are
ThickAsThieves: but ultimately what's right, it seems, is that which keeps us most adaptable as a species
mircea_popescu: understand, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with the "what keeps me out of pain is right" approach in general.
mircea_popescu: im just saying it's woefully inadequate in anything to do with money, or more generally value
mircea_popescu: basically my theory is that the sensate world is underpinned by two essences
ThickAsThieves: and if i were a psychiatrist i'm sure i'd be able to figure out why
mircea_popescu: well... you wouldn't know cause you don't read russian, but it's not new.
ThickAsThieves: i'm no Einstein, but I al constantly disappointed in people
mircea_popescu: 1970s, the soviets were going "great", thinking people were starting to suspect intelligence is a burden.
ThickAsThieves: and i had to kind of find a zen place to balance it all
ThickAsThieves: i, like most of here us probly, seek out control of our environment
dub: I know mrb isnt an idiot, so can someone explain to me why AMs costs go up if BTC/USD does?
dub: ah nm, I think he's arguing against someone who thought the increasing BTC/USD was a good reason to buy AM at these prices
jurov: as certain diligent coinbr user spotted
jurov: S.DICE has much different order book data than on asset page
ThickAsThieves: mp, is there anywhere i can read about this russian intellgence as a burden stuff?
mircea_popescu: jurov i just went through s.dice, failed to see a difference ?
mircea_popescu: the jsons are not sorted, could that give the impression the book is different ?
deadweasel: no doubt. imagine that -- running for your lives into siberia.
dub: deadweasel: eeeevillldooooeeerssss
smickles: all of the sudden there is an issue with the underlying toolkit i'm using
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there's a better source of all soviet woes in englush than stoljenitsn
jurov: mircea yes now it's fresh :)
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i'm adding safeties to not have stale cache again. this one managed to get away!
deadweasel: /home/dxaccess-qa/dxaccess/bin/start-results-migration.sh
mircea_popescu: deadweasel : simple rule. have all terminals white on black. have all non-terminals black on white. problem solved.
deadweasel: yeah, simple rules don't fix things for idiots.
deadweasel: you will be disappointed with what you find
deadweasel: unless you like lab results for horses, then you'll be ecstatic
kakobrekla: yeah but not the riding or the fucking part.