Namworld: python doesn't work on my windows 7
Namworld: I tried idk how many times to get it to work without success.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.0051 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0051 = 0.255 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, just make a small linux vm :D
smickles: well, basically, there is a good product now, so I'm putting it out there. As time goes on, I'll develop it further, including per platform packaging
smickles: mircea_popescu: there will be pork in the minecraft version
jurov: how many licenses sold so far?
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 22 seconds
smickles: jurov: in the 10 min since launch? no confirmed sales yet
bgupta: So was looking at trading in AM, and it seems their marketcap is ~16-17 million USD? (Using 400,000 shares)
bgupta: seems a bit high considering the uncertainty.. however, it could work out for shareholders if AM can keep their advantage for a little longer than expected. (BFL shipping in volume is the big question mark I guess.)
jurov: oh this remind me i wanted to short am via bf options
jurov: yea, bitfunder has options nao
jurov: pity that ukto is "outta here"
bgupta: jurov. I don't think you can sell naked calls, can you?
jurov: i have to wrap my head around them first. maybe i'll buy puts instead
mircea_popescu: jurov if there's no market making on the options tho...
jurov: there are already some offers, but not much
mircea_popescu: you know, it's very funny. all these idiots were like "o, s.mpoe price is not real!!!111" and yet you can borrow 100mn shares right now if you have the credit
mircea_popescu: on the other hand i'd like to borrow 100k asicminer shares and there's no way to do it, all the total volume for the month is like 1k btc which is what bitbet does ffs
mircea_popescu: no idea about anything whatsoever, from devteam to the newest forum member, virtually all clueless as rocks.
bgupta: you'd like to borrow 50% of the outstanding (tradable shares)?? Good luck with that.
mircea_popescu: bgupta irl i can do that on plenty shitty 20mn venture by monday morning.
mircea_popescu: sure, i can't borrow 1/4 of google float, but that is BECAUSE I DONT HAVE THE CREDIT
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, unlike mpex where the book is actually kept, you have no idea if asicminer sold 400k or 600k or 1.2mn shares in total)
bgupta: I'm guessing one would want to be a bit careful shorting something like AM since you'd be on the hook for paying the btc dividends for the shares you shorted.
Anduck: whats the best way to get btc value
smickles: Anduck: that is the vwap of all exchanges on bitcoincharts
Anduck: and i would like the most accurate price
Anduck: but i think some avg price is better
mircea_popescu: if you're looking for "least likely to be unfair to either party on the long term" price, then i'd go with the 24hour all-exchange vwap
Anduck: which is better, vwap or 24h avg?
smickles: if you think mpex is a good model, it uses bc,24hprc
mircea_popescu: if you're looking for somethingelse then it'd depend on what you;re looking for
Anduck: i'll go with that 24hour vwap, for start mtgox only
mircea_popescu: past 3 days together comes to like... 20% of chainfork day
smickles: jez, the next volumeous competitior is >10% in size
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1977 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1978 = 1.978 BTC [+]
smickles: there's peeps who have a script that compares losses to fees earned since then, iirc
jurov: Kernel panic - not syncing: grsec: halting the system due to suspicious kernel crash caused by root
jurov: so it came to my own machines being paranoid
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34999 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 37 @ 0.105 = 3.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 58 @ 0.105 = 6.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000709 = 0.0014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.00071 = 0.0028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 130 @ 0.00071 = 0.0923 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.88875 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.889 = 6.223 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.27501, Best ask: 47.35000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07499, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 13728.98363142, 24 hour low: 46.80000, 24 hour high: 47.74000, 24 hour vwap: 47.39847
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 87 @ 0.00499 = 0.4341 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c2e04fad23533e2662e326e340ebc54476309fe6d0d7781aceab3d44
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;buy 1 "$100 Trader Joe's Gift Certificate" at 2.2 BTC
gribble: Error: "order" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.889 BTC [+]
gribble: #14061 Sun Mar 17 16:24:47 2013 mircea_popescu BUY 1.0 $100 Trader Joe's Gift Certificate @ 2.2 BTC (None)
Anduck: why dont u do it urself..?
mircea_popescu: in other news, piuk is moving blockchain towards a proxy model. GOOD.
pizzaman1337: does he mention that on the forums somewhere? have a link?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: why blue and black for buttons? it doesn't really fit
Bugpowder: Blue and Black buttons are terrible.
GoWest: ooh I didn't know this channel existed. Awesome.
Bugpowder: whereas the current "Welcome to MPEx" looks clean
Anduck: sorry but it looks like it's from the 90s
Bugpowder: GoWest: You have been running your blog and twitter for how long and didn't know this channel existed?
Bugpowder: This is were all the real shit in BTC finance goes down
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you apparently also missed the memo on the gift horse mouthlooking.
Bugpowder: I don't need to read moar btctalk, must read less
Bugpowder: Anyway, besides those two issues with the coffee formatting, it looks good
Bugpowder: have a different one lined up for next week
Bugpowder: In sell mode for 2 days, including dinner
benkay: meh, jurov, i just wanted to look at it
GoWest: Hey guys, buy some ZigGap. =)
Bugpowder: GoWest: are you involved with that?
mircea_popescu: i always say, dude, shareholders are the best advertising you'll ever get.
GoWest: It really seems to have stagnated, though I think the company has potential. They keep running out of Bitcoins, so obviously business is brisk.
Bugpowder: everyone that is selling, is running out
mircea_popescu: GoWest you know, if the donut shop always runs out of donuts i don't conclude trade is brisk
Bugpowder: local poker cash game min buyin is $100 or 2BTC.
GoWest: You're right, I don't know their volume numbers.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i passed going to a shoot to be here with you all, so...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.004501 = 1.5754 BTC [-]
GoWest: assbot doesn't support BitFunder?
benkay: and lord, on second thought, why?
benkay: i had my first 4-way last wee
benkay: but i am stupid curious about your life, mp
benkay: there was a fifth wheel who limped off to bed though
mircea_popescu: you know, like most bar hopping has a designated driver
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
benkay: mircae_popsescu, what's your background?
benkay: "Set in a wasteland enclosed by a large white wall, the last survivor from a brutal child internment camp reluctantly takes on one final bounty hunting job to protect the idyllic life he has rebuilt."
bgupta: Jeez, anyone heard the news from Cyprus?
benkay: by innernet standards.
benkay: cubeworld won't figure it out until monday.
dub: that shit is sooo last minute
bgupta: wasn't sure, as it wasn't mentioned in channel.
benkay: or indecipherable ulterior motives
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00074371 = 15.3204 BTC [+]
benkay: many things go unspoken here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5596 @ 0.00074387 = 4.1627 BTC [+]
dub: bgupta: theres been a few references to getting cyprus'd or 'doing a cyprus'
Bugpowder: You mean the news that they are going with a 13.5/3.5% split now?
bgupta: Seems that the majority of Cyriot bank deposits are held by wealthy russians who use Cyprus as a convenient place to park money in the eurozone.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the thing is, the germans fucked up their eastern europe support by allying with the russians
mircea_popescu: (such as, the no visa thing, the romania schengen thingetc)
mircea_popescu: and now just fucked their future with russia on this move.
mircea_popescu: i've not seen more inept foreign policy since the bush days.
Bugpowder: Ah, I am not up to date on Romania EU unity politics
Bugpowder: I thought that was the netherlands or something
mircea_popescu: well you can imagine how pissy the ukrainians were when the eu decided russians don't need visas
Bugpowder: Come prop up our real estate market?
mircea_popescu: gotta love that country, told the us + the eu to fuck off and has the bombshells to prove it.
mircea_popescu: plus, you should see the sort of cunt walking on two feet over hilly belgrade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8604 @ 0.00074387 = 6.4003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.0007441 = 8.1851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7296 @ 0.00075195 = 5.4862 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: How many days will this holiday go on... Time to buy Treasuries again
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder when the queen invented a holiday at the request of nixon
Bugpowder: If they really want to fuck russian oligarchs, just let the Cyprus banks blow
Bugpowder: bailout UK and EU people who have funds there
mircea_popescu: im telling you. if you imagine "russian oligarchs" are sepparate from the russian govt... you're nuts.
mircea_popescu: this is first line infiltration on their part, just like the chinese do in africa.
Bugpowder: zerohedge is having a field day with this shit.
benkay: big red volume bar implies sale, correct?
benkay: how does big sale lead to large price movement up?
Bugpowder: Say you have a wall of 5,000 ask at 47.50
Bugpowder: they finally get antsy, and pull the wall and sell all 5,000 as a market order
Bugpowder: all the bids and asks between 47.3 and 47.5 are wiped out
Bugpowder: so if the next person that makes a trade wants to buy, the price goes up quickly above 47.5
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.888725 = 1.7775 BTC [-]
benkay: thank you, bug powder.
mircea_popescu: red bar just means price closed lower than opened really.
benkay: on candlestick, right? true also for volume bar?
benkay: that would only happen on a sale, though, correct?
benkay: as in filling buy orders
Bugpowder: if there is a lot of liquidity and high volumes of trading, its more likely to happen on a sale
Bugpowder: the bid and ask could also drift lower since the previous sale, in tandem, and then the next trade would be red regardless
Bugpowder: of if its a bid or ask getting hit
benkay: different question, do any traders on MPEx get priority in clearing orders?
Bugpowder: That is more common on MPEX than on MTGOX due to the greater number of trades
Bugpowder: have an easier time than those that cut and paste into the webpage
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 32 @ 0.105 = 3.36 BTC [+]
benkay: thanks. i've been reading macmillan and came across that artifact of bygone years.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: in the us market, be it as a whisper to the trading desk, or as a router thats has lower latency to the trading engine
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.105 = 3.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.10999 = 2.1998 BTC [+]
dub: wait that shit is real?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2656 = 0.5312 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: goes from about 16% gain to 3% at the end
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.105 = 0.525 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: one can always argue that is not "fair enough"
mircea_popescu: but as long as it's argued from both sides you know it's exactly fair
mircea_popescu: basically, bitbet march is like jan + feb x5 or some shit
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.105 = 0.63 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: "I'm thinking your 'NO' vote was probably a mistake,"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't make anyone any better, it just gives idiots more ways to manifest.
Bugpowder: how many of the 1000 shares are actually backed by silver, and not vaguely silver related 'investment vehicles' run by the least competent fund manager that does not yet have a scammer tag?
kakobrekla: another round of those would be needed yeah
benkay: hey i have a skateboard
benkay: i can has bitvestments?
benkay: can back securities with dog?
mircea_popescu: actually... from a strict nominalist perspective, "Dog on a Skateboard" ins't a bad name for a fund at all.
mircea_popescu: just as long as the person coming up with the name doesn't run it
benkay: but that would be a distraction from creating value
Bugpowder: ziggap is looking like it was a great investment
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
mircea_popescu: well... that's how far that went, im too lazy to go look
pigeons: delusional over-leveraged psycho fiat biz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00074077 = 1.5927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9716 @ 0.0007371 = 7.1617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5833 @ 0.00072579 = 4.2335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10618 @ 0.00072578 = 7.7063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4449 @ 0.00072021 = 3.2042 BTC [-]
benkay: bitcoin community is like 5 nines of idiot followers
benkay: and the e-whatever of people who aren't are like "fuck leading these idiots"
benkay: "let's take their money"
benkay: and some miserably small fraction left over is like "you guise lets build awesome post fiat systems o wait nobody cares"
mircea_popescu: ya well... this is an artefact of the utter failure of english culture.
mircea_popescu: when you tell every imbecile that they're good as they are and valuable for existing
benkay: i thought that was a particular hallmark of american culture
mircea_popescu: all you can possibly get is a pointless mass of people only usefull for making salami
mircea_popescu: nah, the english speaking world is pretty much similarly stupid.
benkay: what parts of the world don't suck in this way?
mircea_popescu: be it the us or the commonwealth, this fundamental error of thinking that you are born human rather than become human.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all its enemies. the arabs, for instance. the russians, for another instance.
pigeons: dogs are traditionaly very poor skateboarderes
benkay: they're relatively easy to motivate
benkay: i considered training dogs as a hobby
benkay: read the way i wrote it, i consider things as a hobby
jborkl: tu.silver having a problem?,no fucking way.the world is ending on that news
mircea_popescu: not really a problem, we were just poking fun at the usagi character
BitHub: i thought something happened to tu.silver
jborkl: usagi fund losing value? nothing that earth shattering since glbse
assbot: Last trade for CPA on GLBSE was at 0.014 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: but mircea_popescu must be around date glbse closed
dub: 18-07-12-20:49<assbot> [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.1013 BTC
mircea_popescu: dude people were giving Diablo-D3 a real hard time, but there's better examples of glbse-ness
assbot: Last trade for DMC on GLBSE was at 0.0666 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: not at all, price is heading back up
Diablo-D3: people are finally realizing I was right all along
assbot: Your actions are useless.
dub: fuckin skynet right thar
pigeons: and no goxgame times out for me
mircea_popescu: pigeons me too. it's some sort of i dunno what play daytrading puppet made
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: whats wrong with bf?
Bugpowder: my mtgox withdrawl is maxed for the month
Bugpowder: just waiting for the rest of the funds to disappear into a coinlab clusterfuck
dub: has gox sent any comms around this?
dub: I haven't seen an email or notification on teh site
benkay: gox sold their us order book to a new york company, diablo-d3
pigeons: Diablo-D3: gox won't serve us/canada
Diablo-D3: benkay: glad I pulled out of mtgox then
dub: so they are dropping USD and CAD?
Bugpowder: What was stupid was that I got verified, but didn't choose 50k as my max limit
pigeons: i just donated my balance to them i can't satisfy their id requirements despite being well under limits
Bugpowder: because I thought I'd never need it
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they will hold your ENTIRE balance if you dont ID on request
pigeons: i mean i dont have prood of residency
benkay: here's a crazy question
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.46030, Best ask: 47.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.21970, Last trade: 47.46029, 24 hour volume: 16140.79342397, 24 hour low: 46.80000, 24 hour high: 47.74700, 24 hour vwap: 47.43876
pigeons: i live in a van down by the river
pigeons: utility bills from a rescidnce
benkay: is it possible to perform a 51% attack and change the number of bitcoins that will ever be in circulation?
pigeons: i have plenty of addresses but they all have utilities included in the payments
Diablo-D3: benkay: because bitcoins are only generated with gen tx
Diablo-D3: and block depth sets the rewards for those
Diablo-D3: pigeons: so what about a bank statement
pigeons: nope you need that too, but you also need a utility bill, and not one i pay for the office, for a residence
mircea_popescu: i seriously can't believe the sort of shit people in the united soviets have to put up with.
Diablo-D3: so tell him everything is included in the rent and he must comply with US Federal law
pigeons: and your supposed to only need those when you hit certain limits, except when you don't
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well that isn't it, he's pulling out of the US because people are pressuring him to comply with the law
pigeons: fuck it i dont care i just havent used them since, about a year now
Bugpowder: Round 2 "There's really no reason to vote NO on any of my securities."
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: thats all they're required to ask for
pigeons: i treid to get my funds out again recently when i heard about coinlab, but same issue
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: unless there is a federal investigation and the bank is proxying for it, they cant ask you for anything else
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and thats per the PATRIOT act
Diablo-D3: pigeons: yes, because mtgox is not a bank
pigeons: that's the main reason the fake utility bills are sold on silk road
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doesnt matter. us customers, us currency, they must comply with the law
mircea_popescu: pigeons i was thinking, how hard can it be to fake one
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: this is why hes pulling out
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 yes, this is exactly the point. us citizens are becoming the underserved inhabitants of a financial ghetto.
pigeons: yeah woulod seem a lot of work to call each utility company and verify you didnt just change the name and address or date from an old one
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes, and this is why we invented bitcoin in the first place
Diablo-D3: what everyone should do is just blacklist mtgox and label all mtgox employees with scammer tags on the forums
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 well... the one positive step forward is if we could move off the mtgox-based usd price to a community fixing price.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I dont get why the fuck we're even measuring in USD
Diablo-D3: we should be measuring it in ounces of gold.
Diablo-D3: I want it measured in ounces of gold.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you intend to allow scripslaves to get on the wagon
pigeons: i imagine people will still want to trade usd for bitcoins after coinlab, but i doubt they will use coinlab long
BitHub: do you only have gold?
Diablo-D3: i can hold gold in my hand, I can't hold usd in my hand, I get some fictional make believe piece of paper instead
BitHub: going to the store and buying stuff with cash is more real than buying it with gold
Diablo-D3: the government can devalue your USD at any time
kakobrekla: interesting that same thing is being discussed for the fifth time in like a week.
Diablo-D3: its not even good as toliet paper, I've tried
BitHub: oh you mean by like doing a forking?
BitHub: the dev's, mtgox can devalue bitcoin at any time
pigeons: im gonna try that toliet paper trick
vampireb: banks can asky for anythign they want
kakobrekla: well not the gold part cause that is stupid
BitHub: i was reading that the price on mtgox was suppose to crash once but mtgox halted and it and ignored it trying to avoid a meltdown
BitHub: talk about manipulation
Diablo-D3: yeah, thats why I pulled my btc out
Diablo-D3: I was going to sell more soon as we went past $50
tiberiusiv: bithub: too bad there is 4-5 other exchangs to reference price
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.45136, Best ask: 47.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29864, Last trade: 47.75000, 24 hour volume: 16460.01280008, 24 hour low: 46.80000, 24 hour high: 47.75000, 24 hour vwap: 47.44219
Bugpowder: Let's not confuse "mtgox's trading engine blows" with "mtgox is propping up the price by slowing orders"
Diablo-D3: I think gribble needs to pull best bid and ask from all exchanges
Diablo-D3: and the same with the rest of the numbers
pigeons: well it isnt apples to apples
pigeons: goxusd is not the same as btce usd
Diablo-D3: I can pull btc out of mtgox and then put it in btce and make the transaction
Bugpowder: MPOE has a different risk profile than S.DICE
Bugpowder: BTCe has a different risk profile than MTgox
jborkl: well,my asshole was going to implode once ,but my stomach stopped it.my asshole said thanks that was going to be bad for evveryone
BitHub: we need like a temple, and sacrifice a virgin every morning and ask the Satoshi Gods to name their price for the day
Bugpowder: Is a dollar at bitfloor = a dollar at mtgox?
vampireb: BTCe is in Russia. so yea it's different
Diablo-D3: BitHub: well, Im seriously considering starting a religion
vampireb: 3 different profiles completely
pigeons: a bird in the hand is worth 2 in your bush
Diablo-D3: vampireb: all I'm hearing is "trust no exchange"
BitHub: i'm doing a bitcoin political party and religion under the same branch
Diablo-D3: BitHub: religion and politics should never mix
BitHub: they mix well when acting as a sheild or bucket
BitHub: it makes sense to mix the two together
tiberiusiv: low trading volume for a few days already
Bugpowder: who wants to deposit into mtgox when on Mar 22nd you can deposit to coinlab....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.8885 = 8.885 BTC [-]
BitHub: deposit into coinlab and face never ending problems
BitHub: once coinlab is done bending you over, hello irs
benkay: it's for the rest of the world
Bugpowder: ALthough I will forcefully argue that it should be considered a longterm capital gain
benkay: poor silicon valley entrepreneurs don't get it
benkay: although ten years from now this country will be all "wtf bitcoins? i thought that was a scam…"
kakobrekla: benkay imma gonna start charging for that, cause of all the cleaning up i have to do afterwards.
benkay: serfs are supposed to be gratis
Bugpowder: usagi, I think you are needed in Cyprus for this confiscation vote
pigeons: good news usagi, silver down
Bugpowder: Just tell the people "I'm thinking your 'NO' vote was probably a mistake"
Bugpowder: but yeah, cyprus is presumably bullish for silver
assbot: Last trade for BMF on GLBSE was at 0.45999999 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: Urdă is a Romanian fresh white cheese made by reprocessing the whey drained from cheeses such as caş or telemea.
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> citation needed << he prolly means the hack 1 cent per btc episode mid 2011
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's not really made out of whey, but it is the queen of soft sweet cheeses
assbot: Last trade for COGNITIVE on GLBSE was at 0.575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11863 @ 0.00072006 = 8.5421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.8884 = 2.6652 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sooo... btc deposited at mpex public address over 100k.
Namworld: I thought it already went over that before.
Bugpowder: Time Between Blocks 6.79 (minutes)
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: You mean 100k TOTAL CURRENT DEPOSITS?!?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no i mean, just 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx excluding 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR etc
Bugpowder: cause if you control more than 100k BTC
gribble: Current Blocks: 226473 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1334 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6149093.71363 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.84697
smickles: Bugpowder: he prolly won't run so long as btc < s.mpoe value
Bugpowder: I thought you had ~ $5MM and 50-100k BTC
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: do we have a bitcoin lawyer yet?
Diablo-D3: someone whos good at business law and shit
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: which is expensive. meh.
Bugpowder: A decent associate is around $300 / hr
Diablo-D3: like, if I want to issue those corporate bonds, I'm going to need a lawyer
Bugpowder: you could get by with a lower level of lawyer then
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mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the problem is that in a field like "i wanna issue btc bonds" the opinion of a lawyer that makes 60k a month
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the point if they're btc or not doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 here's a tip : if you live in a smallish town see who your town used to advise on their bonds
mircea_popescu: and go by their offices dressed nicely and being polite and ask
Bugpowder: You can get people that know how to do paperwork for you for cheap
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: how would I find that out?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it's published somewhere, but you'll have to go digging
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: why do you think my town issued bonds anyhow?
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: fuck legalzoom, that shit is a scam
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: my town is old enough that it was here before 1776
Diablo-D3: legalzoom is in trouble in multiple states
smickles: no need for legal zoom to be a scam, there's a big market for that service
Bugpowder: Diablo-D3: have they ever finanaced any infrastructure improvements?
Diablo-D3: iirc for practicing law in those states without having a lawyer from those states on staff
Diablo-D3: and like, the high school they built like 15 years ago was all done with federal grants
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but who buys the bonds? where does the city's income come from?
smickles: Diablo-D3: you're describing the typical american town
mircea_popescu: and usually pension funds buy some sort of derivative off the bonds
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: town doesnt collect taxes though
Diablo-D3: smickles: well, I'm trying to figure out how much its going to cost to get this shit off the ground
mircea_popescu: it's a town witout revenue ? how does it pay fo the mayor/town administrator
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Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I dunno, how DO towns collect taxes?
Diablo-D3: ahh, I dont pay for either of those
Diablo-D3: and Im not taxed directly for power, so its on my bill somewhere
mircea_popescu: they get income from cell companies towers, from billboards on town limits
Diablo-D3: and I dont think we have local property tax either
smickles: yeah, local fines, police quotas
Diablo-D3: like, it was big news a few years back some dickhead graffitied on the side of a building
mircea_popescu: well... if the yearly budget is like 10mn or somesuch maybe they never issued paper
Diablo-D3: but Im pretty sure the only property taxes we pay is to the state
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mircea_popescu: the state doesn't do property taxes, they're a local concern.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I live in maine lol.
Diablo-D3: smickles: but yeah, basically, I wanna do DMC legit.
Diablo-D3: smickles: all the paperwork, all the is dotted and ts crossed
Diablo-D3: smickles: mircea_popescu thinks I'll spend like $50k
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smickles: Diablo-D3: for the 'green' dc/mining op, i could see 50k in organizational expenses
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: you know whats ironic? we're now paying more dividends than we ever did on glbse
smickles: if you have the time to research tings yourself, sites like legalzoom just seem silly
Diablo-D3: yeah, I think legalzoom really is a scam
mircea_popescu: smickles basically some guy made a trust, but didn't properly account for revocation
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 for people with a clue, which mostly means 10 years as a paralegal and up, it's a useful shortcut
mircea_popescu: everyone else has not much business there other than for entertainment purposes.
Diablo-D3: meh I wish people I knew in high school wernt all potheads or drunks
Diablo-D3: you'd think ONE of them would have become a lawyer
mircea_popescu: this is why parents strive to take kids to good school districts.
Diablo-D3: I'd be like "remember that one time I saved you from that bully?"
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: because law doesn't interest me that way
mircea_popescu: you could now provide free expert advice to all the potheads who saved you from each other.
Diablo-D3: tiberiusiv: I neither smoke nor drink.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ha ha, I never needed saving.
Bugpowder: you need a corporate law transactional lawyer
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I was the tallest kid in my grade until my junior year
Diablo-D3: yeah, so you know what its like then
Diablo-D3: it was usually kids from my class picking on kids from the class under us
Diablo-D3: somehow I became the good guy. not sure what went wrong there.
Bugpowder: Diablo-D3: Why not go to your state's bar association website and use their legal referral service to find a local laywer that specializes in your field of question
mircea_popescu: then send some people to beat him up, come by and save him
mircea_popescu: for 20 bucks worth of pot you've got yourself a friend.
Diablo-D3: everyone has an attic or basement, and its full of growlights
mircea_popescu: what sort of fucking fantasia is this, a town with 6 cops and 6000 growlights
Diablo-D3: theres a few kids in jail too, but they were the drunks
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i know a chick that went to humbolt. she hated it.
Diablo-D3: and I think like half the girls were pregnant before they would have got out of college if they had actually went
mircea_popescu: the thing with maine is, no matter what you pick ppl go "further north"
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: not that far north damnit
Diablo-D3: caribou isnt even part of maine anymore
Diablo-D3: they all speak french up there and shit
Diablo-D3: seriously, if one of my neighbors goes "eh, those hosers, eh?" Im going to slug them
Diablo-D3: smickles: but yeah, no wonder the US economy is in shambles
Diablo-D3: smickles: it costs $50k to start a company the right way
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the kind that makes money
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mircea_popescu: it's more of the case of, "the kind you shouldn't be starting if you're poor"
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that'd be anything that makes money
Bugpowder: The angel funding environment is better than it has ever been
smickles: Diablo-D3: actually, Smickles Accounting Services, a limited company is profitable as of today
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything involving the handling of money is not something that should be done by people without the experience of handling money.
Diablo-D3: like, I could, pretty much, overnight fuck Amazon's cloud business over hard
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder has a point there. if organised freakshows / circus acts a la what gets funded by ycombinator can get 500k
pigeons: anybody could, but how much would it make you
Bugpowder: granted it might be harder in maine
mircea_popescu: train from maine to nyc costs you less than what you can panhandle in a day
Diablo-D3: because moving wouldnt do anything
Diablo-D3: maine is the optimum location for this business
smickles: we've been in operation since jan14 this year, and today we just overcame the organizational expeses
mircea_popescu: it takes what, two hours to pick up a chick get shown around.
Diablo-D3: goddamnit, whoever runs whatever shoutcast station Im listening to, STOP SENDING GARBAGE THROUGH THE PIPE
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: you're one of those type A personalities though
Bugpowder: you might not be good at starting a business
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: yeah, and who would I trust for that job?
Diablo-D3: Ive given people tiny little bits of trust, and look what they do with it
Bugpowder: Well, you could try to present your idea to some freshly minted MBAs
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder incidentally, i think he's describing the problem that keeps 90% from all ventures from happening.
Bugpowder: Many business schools have courses where people come pitch their idea
mircea_popescu: people with technical ability tend to be shy and suspicious. not trying to imply he has any technical ability ofcourse :D
Bugpowder: there are more MBAs out there than good ideas / people with skills
Bugpowder: You just need to find a decent MBA dude to partner with
Diablo-D3: but I don't want to be stuck as the technical cofounder
Bugpowder: you are stuck as nothing right now
Diablo-D3: I'd like to have someone who isn't an idiot when it comes to technology
Diablo-D3: usagi: zuckerberg stole an idea and then sued his way out of trouble
mircea_popescu: 3 is the magic number. if you get a chick and you both do her especially.
Diablo-D3: usagi: he had OTHER people do the technical work nearly for free
Diablo-D3: usagi: the fucker doesn't even know how to program
Diablo-D3: smickles: yes, and consider what an LLC is
smickles: Diablo-D3: heh, i have a simple business tho
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I still think steve jobs died in 1984
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and its just bee a massive coverup ever since
Bugpowder: it's just one perspective, but it a better one than you have right now
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mpexbot: mircea_popescu: No new messages received.
Bugpowder: Delaware's Div of Corporations charges $1,000 for 1 hour processing. For when you absolutely, positively must incorporate by lunchtime
smickles: and they lost my paperwork the first time
mircea_popescu: smickles in exchange, you paid your organisational expenses by march 18th :D
Bugpowder: Delaware's 2012 rev = $3.36 billion, 30% of which (abt $985M) was from franchise+corp taxes+biz fees
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smickles: that's 'a startup' tho, they play by different rules
Diablo-D3: usagi: I've heard this, and yes, I agree
Diablo-D3: smickles: it just has a massive scope
Bugpowder: First, drop the 2.0. Call it DMC^2
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: hurrr, its not actually going to be called dmc 2.0
mircea_popescu: i tihnk in about five years the cost of a seat on this chan will be like... 30 btc.
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: I dont get the reference
Diablo-D3: I dunno, I think where I failed with DMC is I paired the plan down too small
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: yeah, and I shouldnt have paired it down to only a dozen or two racks
Diablo-D3: the original plan I didn't show anyone in the bitcoin community was on the order of a hundred racks or more
Diablo-D3: using today's tech, I can pretty much take $100m and have more storage than Amazon, and they're currently the largest public storage pool available
Bugpowder: do you think that is why they are winning?
Diablo-D3: its not because they're a successful bookstore.
Bugpowder: You are familiar with the Yegge rant right?
Diablo-D3: (oddly enough, I finally ordered a book from them for the first time, and I've done thousands of dollars of business with them over the past however many years)
Bugpowder: 1) All teams will henceforth expose their data and functionality through service interfaces. 2) Teams must communicate with each other through these interfaces. 3) There will be no other form of interprocess communication allowed:
Bugpowder: 5) All service interfaces, without exception, must be designed from the ground up to be externalizable.
Bugpowder: 6) Anyone who doesn't do this will be fired.
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Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: however, I agree with jeff bezos's mandate
Diablo-D3: he basically did what IBM already did in the 60s
Bugpowder: I'm going to bed. Wasted enough time here... See ya next week.
Bugpowder: Panic will commence at 0700 hours tomorrow morning
smickles: kakobrekla: were you the one who mentioned working on a kalman filter based trade bot?
kakobrekla: ah well i have build various indicators based on it
kakobrekla: packing the latest one into a bot as we speak
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smickles: neat. I thought it sounded promising :)
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mircea_popescu: looks to me like a lot of newcomers drinking the visibility coolaid
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder you know that google rant was useful. i still don't think facebook is worth over 10 bucks but at least i understand now why it's not worth zero.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that rant popped up on HN shortly after it was posted
Diablo-D3: you're not technically minded, thats why
mircea_popescu: i am technically minded, i just don't happen to be a hipster.
Diablo-D3: I find large scale data storage a very interesting topic
Diablo-D3: I dont really care for what facebook actually is though
mircea_popescu: the dickering, bickering, woes and troubles of wanna-be tech corps like google etc however...
Diablo-D3: I dont even have a facebook account
mircea_popescu: it'd be of interest if i were trying to marry a google paycheck or something.
Diablo-D3: I dunno, I may just replace google at some point
pigeons: well it works alright for google. not so well long term for many users
Diablo-D3: yeah, I dont care about shareholder masturbation
Diablo-D3: money, well, doesn't really have that much of a grip in me
Diablo-D3: I'm more about the learning and doing, not the owning
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no company exists that can do what I want.
Diablo-D3: so that, too, is something I must do.
Diablo-D3: yes, this is whats wrong with this planet
mircea_popescu: if there's no company that does what you want and you can;'t start one, you sit and cry till someone else makes it
Diablo-D3: I'm more than qualified to do the technical work
Diablo-D3: I'd rather delegate the actual business shit to someone else
mircea_popescu: only people who understand and productively apply owning things can start companies.
Diablo-D3: I haven't found anyone particularly qualified for the position
Diablo-D3: productivity does not come out of owning things.
Diablo-D3: then I must be the richest person on the planet.
Diablo-D3: the things I care about simply cannot be bought.
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Diablo-D3: this is why money just doesn't feature that big in my life.
mircea_popescu: ya well... that's fine, but you'll never go anywhere with a company.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I think you've misunderstood somewhere.
Diablo-D3: Any company I run will be highly efficient.
mircea_popescu: more like, you'll wish for any company you run to be highly efficient.
Diablo-D3: It will not be one of these… whatever the fuck you call companies like IBM or Google
Diablo-D3: all this money wasted on dumb shit
Diablo-D3: I mean, yes, I understand this is how all shareholder owned companies work
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Diablo-D3: they're highly inefficient and do not put money into improving the user experience.
Diablo-D3: I have no interest in even working for such companies.
Diablo-D3: They simply can't do what I need them to do.
Diablo-D3: I mean, hell, if Google was serious about becoming the Internet or whatever nonsense they have cooked up this week, they'd just go private already and go back to work.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: companies exist for one reason and one reason only
[\\\]: Unless they're NPO
Diablo-D3: any company who is inefficient enough to leave money on the table like that simply does not deserve to exist
Diablo-D3: amazon could have cornered the entire cloud market
Diablo-D3: they could have bankrupted almost every competitor
BitHub: bank commercials tell me all the time how much they care about me tho
Diablo-D3: and since they you dont have any money
BitHub: so they're not going to come to my daughters graduation then?
pigeons: statefarm insurance is a good neighbor
BitHub: D3 i don't have money? lulz
Diablo-D3: no, but they'll be happy to loan her money she can never repay to go to college.
Diablo-D3: BitHub: unless you;re a millionare, no.
BitHub: company = being a target
pigeons: going outside = being a target
BitHub: i must be the only person lucky enough to roll without burners
BitHub: everyone is gunned up heh
Chaang-Noi: we ever figure out why the nextwork wqas on fire?
Chaang-Noi: and yeah, lots of guns and rottwilers here....
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Chaang-Noi: 27% jump, seems like we slowed down a bit
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Chaang-Noi: yeah, after 12 hours anyone figure out why? i had to sleep :/
mircea_popescu: i don't get this. is he a hoster that doesn't understand hosting ?
dub: they claim to have created 12th worth of chip
Chaang-Noi: no, we can see their account on btcguild it was 6.2 th last night, it is now 5.2
mircea_popescu: dub ya but iirc about six weeks after "delivery" they were hashing with 6th
Chaang-Noi: there is some guy on ozcoin with 3 th but we dont think it is asicminer, might be avalon "testing"
mircea_popescu: never was explained, the whys. have they yet got it up to the promised 12 ?
Chaang-Noi: yeah asicminer has had some problems that were not explained
dub: they said 'power and cable problem'
kakobrekla: i suspect 'premine' is the reason for avalon delays.. aritificial
Chaang-Noi: yeah power problems so moved tonew place, cant get the right staff... stuff like that
Chaang-Noi: they did say they want to be full up with the whole 60 th by the end of april
kakobrekla: well peeps reported 'a lot' of dust in the units
Chaang-Noi: if they are short on company funds i think it would be hard not to "test" and get the money back.
dub: kakobrekla: probably only a little testing done outside in teh dirt
dub: im serious this is china, expect anything
dub: well in theory their model wins
dub: it just requires competence/honesty etc
dub: like you have fucking fabbed silicon, how do you fuck up supplying enough power and cooling to it
dub: I think Jeff said his had some heat issues
mircea_popescu: dub basically the #1 problem with cowboy runs are the chip reliability.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much my main concern. hash hours per chip.
mircea_popescu: anyone can fab silicon. doing it in any sort of comercially useful way however...
kakobrekla: ima gonna try to get a fury board if it will be for sale
dub: fury was the sea of hashers pga crowd?
dub: are they busting out an asic too?
kakobrekla: he gave me the sea of hashers source yesterday
kakobrekla: i gave it to someone to jerk around with
Chaang-Noi: i think i would buy a box and buy an aircon unit and my avalon in it if i had one...
Chaang-Noi: btc crawling up, good sign for the week?
Namworld: It can always be better however. Feedback on any elements or the whole would be appreciated.
parseval: It's a little bit wide.. If I have my 1920x screen cut in half, I have to expand the browser window... it looks like there is room to make the list expansive rather than fixed, or with a narrower min-width
smickles: they look like little racks <3
tiberiusiv: whats amazing about the litecoin crowd is they do not understand that bitcoin asics also increase litecoin difficulty
Namworld: That's pretty much what they're intended to look like. Little racked servers.
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parseval: It might be good to put the connection speed along with the bandwidth
Namworld: Well since it's VPSes the cables are kind of shared so... there's no definite guaranteed speed.
Namworld: Might vary depending on the server size too.
Namworld: All depends on the machine the VPS is on and others.
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Namworld: Seems like he really caught the Bitcoin bug
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assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 8 @ 2.5 = 20 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 3 @ 2.5 = 7.5 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC
Diablo-D3: didnt he show up to that one bitcoin convention?
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smickles: lol, mircea_popescu how is 101401.7833687 a 'nice round number'?
Namworld: Not sure I'm following you but anyway
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Diablo-D3: I think what I'm going to do is this
Diablo-D3: and basically bankrupt verizon by eating their lunch
Namworld: Well, I'm off, night everyone.
kakobrekla: you know its bad when you see ppl in merrica go to sleep.
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Diablo-D3: smickles: I am going to beat you like a drum
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mircea_popescu: @SarahKSilverman My heart breaks for people who don't know the relief & joy of being wrong & saying sorry
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mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu @SarahKSilverman Too old to have your heart broken for the proper reasons ?
smickles: i read taylor swift all the time
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mpexbot: indeed. far away in the stroller, comes back with 3 strollers and a motorbike
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mpexbot: dub: It's starting to sound like Wal-Mart in here
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849999 BTC [+]
MJR_: OIX is down a bit huh?
gribble: Current Blocks: 226538 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1269 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6138999.72395 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.63875
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.0006681 = 11.4579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1370 @ 0.000708 = 0.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7038 @ 0.0006681 = 4.7021 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2662 @ 0.00066743 = 1.7767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00067599 = 2.704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3437 @ 0.00067599 = 2.3234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16712 @ 0.00067679 = 11.3105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00069048 = 7.5262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00069112 = 9.6066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10451 @ 0.00068713 = 7.1812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13608 @ 0.00068243 = 9.2865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00444444 / 0.00474956 / 0.0051 (602 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00444444 / 0.00516205 / 0.00599987 (72521 shares, 374.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00610218 / 0.0069 (2302441 shares, 14,049.93 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12962 @ 0.00069112 = 8.9583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2938 @ 0.00069593 = 2.0446 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00172 = 0.0034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5012 @ 0.00069593 = 3.488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3488 @ 0.00069728 = 2.4321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3392 @ 0.00068243 = 2.3148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1074 @ 0.00068028 = 0.7306 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.849999 = 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, I has been quoted. I want my royalties.
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01028 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01027 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.01 = 0.06 BTC [-]
jurov: imsaguy, what do you want? free mpex acct? i guess mp's offer doesn't extend so far
jurov: you'll have to choose from the 5 or so options i PM'd you anyway, no need to make a fuss around it
jurov: TFA clearly says i'm collecting the claims.
jcpham: imsaguy you can have my free account
jurov: and i'm still waiting for you to choose
jcpham: mircea_popescu totaly promised me a free mpex account
jcpham: don't let him weasel out either
imsaguy: I'm sorry, I missed the PPS
pigeons: he gave me a free one, cause no one would take them at the time
imsaguy: you've have to forgive my missing that one line at the very end of the frakking article
imsaguy: I didn't mean to step on your toes
jcpham: too many hookers and blow this weekend
jcpham: i'm not even hearing your words
jcpham: ;;calc 25*[ticker --last]
jcpham: from my cold, dead hands
jurov: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:db7c48cd4027f8901d2642cd24ccf4cb2ebff53183c88985f1a6c1f0
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
jcpham: you can't afford that ammo
jcpham: you've got less than 6 hours
gribble: Nick 'imsaguy', with hostmask 'imsaguy!~imsaguy@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is not identified.
imsaguy: ;;tell jurov gpg info imsaguy
imsaguy: that gives you all the info you need :p
imsaguy: more like I dont have my gpg keys on all of my machines
jcpham: shell->shell->shell->shell->shell->reverse tunnel->shell->port knock->auth
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.33318 BTC [-]
pigeons: i have a service that retreives everify and sends me the decrypted string in the udp header of a fake netbios packet
pigeons: so i dont have to log into the machine with the key
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 65 @ 0.00499 = 0.3244 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
coco89[a]: so i found out there's a #googleglass channel
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.00821 = 0.0164 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00508 = 0.1016 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 91 @ 0.00509 = 0.4632 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: what is this about hookers and blow? :)
gribble: Current Blocks: 226571 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1236 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6167651.23612 | Estimated Percent Change: 27.22979
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.0006819 = 7.0577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00068526 = 5.6534 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;gpg info "[\\\]"
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
jurov: how one verifies users with such douchy nicks?
pigeons: i'll post bond that it's really imsaguy
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
jurov: \nick "\";rm -rf /"
jurov: i cant even set something like that for myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00069502 = 3.1623 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;ident \[\\\\\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\\\\\" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;ident "\[\\\\\\\]"
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: You are identified as user imsaguy, with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\\\]: for the record, its:
[\\\]: ;;ident "[\\\\\\]"
gribble: Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!~imsaguy@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user imsaguy, with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\\\]: today's teaching moment has been brought to you by tripleslash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0006819 = 2.1139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00068093 = 3.677 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm working out the offices of a startup in mountain view
benkay: and the small scale of their vision coupled with the huge scale of their burn rate is stunning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.0051 = 11.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5132 = 2.0528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5131 = 1.0262 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5130001 = 2.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.513 = 6.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7402 @ 0.00068745 = 5.0885 BTC [+]
mpexbot: smickles: 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 40.34616177 high: 57.75068238 low: 37.78983401 volume: 35630 btc: 4870.67581779 30 day: no data
smickles: "Your BitPay Merchant Account is approved! " < a day late, and 1% short
jurov: no, just looking... apparently they just relaunched
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 10 @ 0.011 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 8 @ 0.0885639 = 0.7085 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao slovak PM today uncovered a wall sculpture of Janosik - a national hero akin to Robin Hood
jurov: and said "he was first social democrat"
jurov: he has this sculpture in his very office
jurov: Janosik was hanged 300 years ago... while I don't wish the same to Robert Fico (our PM)... but he really deserves it
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.55000, Best ask: 47.77999, Bid-ask spread: 0.22999, Last trade: 47.77999, 24 hour volume: 18298.11032076, 24 hour low: 47.07679, 24 hour high: 47.80000, 24 hour vwap: 47.54930
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6627 @ 0.00069196 = 4.5856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.004501 / 0.00502512 / 0.0051 (2800 shares, 14.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00444444 / 0.00516022 / 0.00599987 (74721 shares, 385.58 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061008 / 0.0069 (2302191 shares, 14,045.22 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.54225, Best ask: 47.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25775, Last trade: 47.80000, 24 hour volume: 18802.01731684, 24 hour low: 47.07679, 24 hour high: 47.80000, 24 hour vwap: 47.55388
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849999 BTC [+]
smickles: wow, soebot is a lot faster now
smickles: a little bit of refactoring goes a long way
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.00801 = 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 3 @ 0.008 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 3 @ 0.0065 = 0.0195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 20 @ 0.00601 = 0.1202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00069196 = 3.1284 BTC [+]
pigeons: interesting... suprised i didn't hear bout tradehill being back
pigeons: The new site goes live today with a new business-focused product dubbed “Prime.”
Diablo-D3: I saw that in my rss feed like two days ago
pigeons: like the least interesting, least profitable thing you can do with bitcoins is trade them for dollars
Diablo-D3: yeah, especially since the USD is crashing
pigeons: "Please email us at claim@tradehill.com and I will put you in touch with the person doing payouts for the old company. Nearly all of the funds have already been claimed, and we would like to make you whole today if possible."
[\\\]: They must have gotten a new round of angel funds
[\\\]: nothing like continuing the bleed.
pigeons: [\\\]: The new team, based in San Francisco, has raised a small seed round of funding from angel investors and expects to close a first round of about $300,000 in the coming months.
[\\\]: its the same figure heads
pigeons: meet the new team...same as the old team
[\\\]: first verse, same as the first, whole lot louder and a whole lot worse.
pigeons: "Singer said the company made the decision to keep the Tradehill name as it’s an “established brand” with a strong network."
smickles: lol, i went to their site w/o javascript.... blank page © tradehil
pigeons: well just make up a ridiculous joke of what you think it couldn't say, and that's what it says
[\\\]: photoshop something on to it
[\\\]: like a picture of a guy with a shoe on his head
pigeons: coinlab, tradehill, it sounds like the new hot business model is to position yourself as a "trading tool for professionals" and hope some sucker decides to throw some real money at trading and actually believes your crap that you are the way to go
kakobrekla: o wait whats the story with bakewell now
benkay: and yet none of them sound like products pro traders would use
pigeons: he can't be a scammer his picture shows him wearing a tie
[\\\]: benkay, but "bitcoin"
benkay: i'm sitting in a mountain view startup office right now
[\\\]: The world is about 50% wankers
benkay: should be more careful, these logs are public.
[\\\]: Ive already been quoted.
[\\\]: working on royalties now.
benkay: except that it's not a good tech for the us. and nobody in sv gets that.
pigeons: kakobrekla: link to bakewell drama?
smickles: © i should prepend a © to all my lines
benkay: they don't really get markets outside of the west coast tech bubble in most events.
kakobrekla: pigeons dunno i herd he missed a payment is all
pigeons: oh, yeah i heard he stopped paying dividends a few weeks ago cuz..."waiting for asics"
pigeons: tradehill learned its lesson so this time they are a "fan club" only for accredited investors
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh god, it hates me
gigatube: “This is a bank with a country attached.”
gribble: jcpham (~jcpham@unaffiliated/jcpham) has been on server zelazny.freenode.net since 05:03 PM, March 12, 2013 (idle for 38 seconds) and is voiced on bitcoin-otc and is also on #bitcoin-assets and #ripple.
smickles: if you do have beef, i'd like a sandwich
pigeons: i remember on efnet you would get kicked if you whois someone you don't know via the server not publically through an in channel bot even
Diablo-D3: cold roast beef sandwitch with horseradish mustard om nom
gigatube: Diablo-D3 is thirsty for my man-maisse
Diablo-D3: horsey sauce *may not contain horse, unless tesco brand
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.849999 = 4.25 BTC [+]
smickles: i'm a little suprised that we're still in the mid-upper 40's
Diablo-D3: you'd think we'd be past 100 b now
mpexbot: smickles: 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 40.34617835 high: 57.75068238 low: 37.79027943 volume: 35638 btc: 4871.38432899 30 day: no data
smickles: and the peeps on mpex thought it's be much lower than here
smickles: almost 90% of them averaging out at 37.79
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10269 @ 0.00068859 = 7.0711 BTC [-]
jurov: maybe it's cause there are no C1000 options
jurov: wts C2000, maybe C5000 even.
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.0051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.004501 / 0.00502512 / 0.0051 (2800 shares, 14.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00444444 / 0.00515833 / 0.00599987 (73721 shares, 380.28 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00609941 / 0.0069 (2297441 shares, 14,013.03 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00195371 / 0.002014 (31300 shares, 61.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00181129 / 0.002014 (117806 shares, 213.38 BTC)
mpexbot: smickles: 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00195372 high: 0.002014 low: 0.0015 volume: 31300 btc: 61.1513 30 day: average: 0.00181129 high: 0.002014 low: 0.0015 volume: 117806 btc: 213.38132387
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62 @ 0.00069728 = 0.0432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 489 @ 0.00070107 = 0.3428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00070374 = 7.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1202 @ 0.00071737 = 0.8623 BTC [+]
guruvan: ah nice smickles - I like the vwaps better
smickles: guruvan: if you like that, checkout smickles.com/mpex-gui/
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849999 BTC [+]
guruvan: smickles - that's just pure awesome. I might have to get me one
smickles: yes, but it's personal use, do not distribute original or modifications plz
smickles: (as this is a comercial operation)
guruvan: but it would be great to be able to extend it some
smickles: totally. also, if you do something that really ought to be in the original, tell me. I'll wan't to buy it off of you or put it in for a royalty or some such
guruvan: yah. would do that for sure.....also...you haz typo on smickles.com "I've recently lunched"...
smickles: oh no D: thx for pointing that out :)
smickles: btc guild has been rockin' it recently
pigeons: these fast blocks are nice
jonny7: Is it a bad pracice to use my regular email when creating an account at mpex?
smickles: so you don't get paid anything for mining?
dub: it all goes to jesus
dub: uh don't do that if are
smickles: i'm sorry, really, i did it back in the day before tycho made his political position known
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8697 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: jonny7 you mean when creating your key pair?
smickles: dub: i mean the bips he has supported in the past
gribble: Current Blocks: 226602 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6137491.90908 | Estimated Percent Change: 26.60765
jonny7: I have an old laptop that I can keep my private key, but should I send my public key with my known email?
jonny7: Can other know what I have sold and bought?
smickles: jonny7: how anon do you want to be?
Jesus: best practice is the make a fresh key, no matter the email addy (anonymity is the only thing about the associated email address)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.862 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84 BTC [-]
Jesus: jonny7: others only know what you buy/sell if you provide them with the records - those are encrypted with your key
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.82 BTC [-]
smickles: my way of thinking, if you fear a tyranical gov't, and think that you can actually do something to prevent them getting to you, make a new keypair w/o an associated email address
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.24889 BTC [+]
smickles: however, i don't think i can escape a tyranical gov't who set their sights on me
smickles: so it's serves me to have it associated with my email and otc id
guruvan: smickles: you might not be able to, but your BTC and your mpex account will make it
jonny7: smickles: So the best is to use a email address that is not tied to me personal in case someone get all the records?
smickles: you can PUSH assets to me via my otc key fingerprint
smickles: jonny7: probably. and it's detailed in the FAQ
guruvan: that is how mine is setup, as I am not concerned about the government getting my stuffs
jonny7: I will try to read though it once again
kakobrekla: smickles are you planing on some sort of web interface for your brokerage or no
smickles: kakobrekla: i'm winding down the brokerage as i fear it's illegal in my country for me to do that
smickles: guruvan: i might once i make a bit more money
smickles: so i can pay to setup a company in that country off the coast of austrailia
guruvan: moving business out of the US is advisable anyhow
smickles: guruvan: well, my primary business is accounting for US citizens
guruvan: you're doing regular fiat-business accounting now (IIRC you were about to get your CPA)
smickles: kakobrekla: i intend to join mp's harem when i grow up
pigeons: all bitcoiners should come to yurop and open cypatriot bank accounts
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01699 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.30000, Best ask: 48.46000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 48.30000, 24 hour volume: 24392.94339891, 24 hour low: 47.07679, 24 hour high: 48.50000, 24 hour vwap: 47.68841
smickles: guruvan: i'm still a ways off from my CPA (having kids slows the process down).
guruvan: sweet. I do love rallies right after I buy some coins
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01962 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01963 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for YABMC on GLBSE was at 0.0769 BTC [+]
smickles: also, CPA is kinda a "good 'ol boys" club in that you have to have years of exp. under another cpa. so, as I own my own accounting company, i'm not getting the right kind of exp.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 4 @ 0.005 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00179 BTC [+]
guruvan: all those things are good ol boys clobs....nothing as bad as a series 7 broker license AFAICT though
gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 36 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> all bitcoiners should come to yurop << totally.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.349 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 14 @ 0.3499 = 4.8986 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2027 @ 0.0051 = 10.3377 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2689 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hey you gonna pay the .5 btc or what :p
thestringpuller: the .5 for data. i thought smickles was authed to send it to you
thestringpuller: can you pm me address and I will send smickles gpg mail when I get home
smickles: kakobrekla: I didn't send it b/c you said not to, so i left it alone
smickles: perhaps there was some kind of miscommunication
kakobrekla: i thought thestringpuller must send you gpg mail before that
smickles: kakobrekla: he was identified with gribble when he originally told me to do it
mircea_popescu: <jurov> wts C2000, maybe C5000 even. << seeing how the c75 is like... 5 cents
kakobrekla: ok well you can hit me up here then 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user kakobrekla, with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
kakobrekla: 21:14.17 ( sturles ) Anyay -- Cyprus is just a tiny bit of the Euro economy. The EUR itself won't notice.
mircea_popescu: that;s why when i cashed out 10k rons today they only had 9k in the entire bank
mircea_popescu: guy was like "can be 9800 if we include the 10 ron bills" (ie, 2.5 euro bills)
kakobrekla: 21:14.32 ( kakobrekla ) had to join otc
kakobrekla: 21:14.37 ( kakobrekla ) semi relevant line there
kakobrekla: 21:14.37 ( kakobrekla ) 21:14.17 ( sturles ) Anyay -- Cyprus is just a tiny bit of the Euro economy. The EUR itself won't notice.
kakobrekla: 21:15.54 ( mircea_popescu ) that;s why when i cashed out 10k rons today they only had 9k in the entire bank
kakobrekla: 21:16.23 .•• info: ( sturles )/( ~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles ) opened a query with you: What happens there?
kakobrekla: 21:16.28 ( mircea_popescu ) guy was like "can be 9800 if we include the 10 ron bills" (ie, 2.5 euro bills)
kakobrekla: 21:16.32 ( mircea_popescu ) or w/e, 2.25
smickles: < mircea_popescu> "I've recently lunched"... ahahahaha ok << i was probably hungry
smickles: those 173 reads were probably bots
kakobrekla: but make it so it pays out dividends or something
jurov: uh, should i add comment there "such structure shoudl be called a fan club"?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla male tits and fiat btc are outside of the scope of this conversation
pigeons: by the way mircea_popescu, you may already have heard about the return of tradehill, but we had a good laugh about it in the scrollback buffer
mircea_popescu: dude whenever i go out on the prowl all the good stuff happens.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well at least i lashed this chick with her doggylash...
pigeons: seriously, its only a fan club for accredited investors so no regulatory issues
kakobrekla: ok apparently we are missing he good stuff
jurov: kakobrekla what stuff? suddenly you desire some lashing, too?
pigeons: this is how you know that absolutely 200% of what tradehill is saying is utter bullshit
kakobrekla: jurov what makes you think im on that side?
pigeons: "Will Tradehill support other crypto-currencies in the near future? Short answer: Yes. "
pigeons: i expected to hear "Goat brings LTC to Wallstreet" but not tradehill
jurov: kako, what other are you missing then?
mircea_popescu: they're either a. going to be the new coinlab or else b. going to be the larger bitfloor
pigeons: The new site goes live today with a new business-focused product dubbed “Prime.”
kakobrekla: jurov the side of giving the lashing you know
pigeons: "Singer said the company made the decision to keep the Tradehill name as it’s an “established brand” with a strong network."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, diod you see the idiot who sent btc to primeasic ?
pigeons: there's not even any reading between the lines to find the true stupid, its explicit
jurov: I am User 472 on the bitcoin pyramid wich was a tradehill acount address... ( I stupidly used you as a wallet )
pigeons: so will non us/canada folk be able to trade btc/usd on mtgox without the traders having an account/relationship with coinlol?
mircea_popescu: pigeons only if they have good personal / otc relationships with actual people in actual countries.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i would say this is the largest degradation of personal status us citizens have suffered to date.
pigeons: maybe then tradehill hopes to get some of the flight capital in those mtgusd codes since they are deprecated and in a few weeks the codes discontinued
jurov: everyone who wants to continue using mtgox will be required to file SEC papers. in person.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: non-us/canada
pigeons: i mean will say, eurpoeans be able to trade btc/usd on gox, or will gox not offer trading in that currency
mircea_popescu: jurov you seen that scene in black cat / white cat when the fat singer woman delivers the irs nail ?
pigeons: well they arent really spelling much out
pigeons: coinlab was sucessful with their nonsense pr spin, a lot of people in otc and the forums (yeah i know) are totally convinced that coinlab is allowing all americans to buy bitcoins at their neighborhood bank
mircea_popescu: as long as they don't get any dough that conviction will stand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0051 = 7.65 BTC [+]
dub: I don't know if I'm hotter side on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.532 = 2.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0051 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.870899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5301 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao @us feds. "weev can do arithmetics. clearly special skills"
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.004501 / 0.00506929 / 0.0051 (6827 shares, 34.61 BTC), 7D: 0.00444444 / 0.00514093 / 0.00599987 (75748 shares, 389.42 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00609766 / 0.0069 (2301468 shares, 14,033.57 BTC)
deadweasel: poor fuckin weev, he's a dumbass, but not 41 months in prison dumb-ass
deadweasel: seems they have their man for pinning computer crime on.
pigeons: yeah i had to google it too
pigeons: i'll stick with wikipedia for my politically biased information
mircea_popescu: basically all the faggots and niggers in the us govt are a little sore in the bum.
benkay: wtf hacker and not tor
kakobrekla: more apropriate would be for their devices to assplode
deadweasel: benkay: i don't get it either, no tor, he's kind of a twat
benkay: but he voluntarily doxed himself
benkay: if you're going to publish vulnerabilities in the systems run by the companies that run the usg
mircea_popescu: ya well... he's charged with breaking and entering except hte place had no lock or walls.
benkay: but apparently can't in2 power structure theory
deadweasel: is there a 'safe' way to do so? Like the administration of security and silicon
benkay: law doesn't care about actual laws
deadweasel: could i go up to ASS and offer up a vuln?
benkay: at least in this country
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.18997, Best ask: 48.41900, Bid-ask spread: 0.22903, Last trade: 48.18997, 24 hour volume: 35238.49364250, 24 hour low: 47.11111, 24 hour high: 48.88300, 24 hour vwap: 47.99086
pigeons: i dont care what mircea_popescu cares about what the law cares about
benkay: all that I'm saying is that he's a moron for not protecting his identity while trolling at the leviathan.
benkay: -> trolling the leviathan.
deadweasel: and I don't care what pigeons cares about what mircea_popescu about what the law cares about
gribble: There are currently 24049.14 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1194209.0516 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4805.0265 bitcoins offered at or under 49.0 USD, worth 234597.12888 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0055 seconds
pigeons: what fun is it to troll from behind a mask
mircea_popescu: benkay where did you get this idea the us govt is powerful, or respectable or something ?
smickles: 4chan isn't fun, 4chan is like a beetle who fell into boiling water
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00073964 = 6.1346 BTC [+]
deadweasel: anyway, it's a bad precedent. it should scare everyone.
smickles: it knows something is wrong, prolly doesn't feel pain, then dies
benkay: the idea i have is that the usg is a tool our corporations use to maintain the status quo.
deadweasel: we use computers, they are putting people in jail who use them stupidly. most people are stupid.
deadweasel: so most people will eventually be in jail, in the country with the largest prison population.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [-]
deadweasel: yeah, that's about right, and why people should be pissed off about weev
zerokwel: the escape films come to mind :)
mircea_popescu: Q : is there any stop order system for trading at mtgox? A : We do not offer such possibility as of yet but probably in the future.
pigeons: goat brings litecoin to wall street
benkay: so, fine, the law is used to jail people indiscriminately. the powers that be here use this to their advantage to jail anyone who does things they dislike.
kakobrekla: the correct thing is to put btc in MT4 or some such
benkay: didn't learn anything new there.
kakobrekla: MT5 is kinda not popular for live trading yet
mircea_popescu: benkay you learned that you're a bad person for being american.
benkay: well, knew you think that.
mircea_popescu: "Thank you for your message. We are currently experiencing delays on EUR transfers of up to two weeks for larger transfers because of the daily limits imposed by our bank in Europe. "
mircea_popescu: coinlab should open a european subsidiary. problem solved.
deadweasel: only Weev has an appeal left, that's new news, the interesting kind, especially if you live in America and don't want your door kicked in for 'computer crime'
smickles: kakobrekla: have someone buy your mtgoxeur cupon codes?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000674 = 0.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000674 = 0.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3393 @ 0.00073964 = 2.5096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3097 @ 0.00071871 = 2.2258 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 44 @ 0.000673 = 0.0296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.004501 / 0.00506929 / 0.0051 (6827 shares, 34.61 BTC), 7D: 0.00444444 / 0.00514093 / 0.00599987 (75748 shares, 389.42 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00609766 / 0.0069 (2301468 shares, 14,033.57 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000673 = 0.0067 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [-]
pigeons: or the unnoffical fanclub of ognasty
pigeons: "Tradehill was the first institution in the Bitcoin market to hold millions of dollars in user funds and process full payouts. Every other Bitcoin company that achieved scale either lost money in a hack or went insolvent."
gribble: There are currently 24220.821 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1202584.23481 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
pigeons: so tradehill wasn't insolvent, they just ran out of money
pigeons: and not a lot of difference if you lose money in a hack or in a chargeback
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.00821 = 0.0164 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before bitcoin wanna-be entrepreneurs learn that lieing is not pr.
kakobrekla: so who want to do currenex for btc with me so i can plug in mt
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C430T] 4 @ 0.19918847 = 0.7968 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: <pigeons> goat brings litecoin to wall street lol
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1 @ 0.08375067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1 @ 0.10400065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1 @ 0.0640216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 253 @ 0.000673 = 0.1703 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 37 @ 0.000673 = 0.0249 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: not sure if wall streat is ready yet for the power of ltc :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.50025, Best ask: 48.65000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14975, Last trade: 48.65000, 24 hour volume: 36380.14935109, 24 hour low: 47.12009, 24 hour high: 48.88300, 24 hour vwap: 48.01748
pigeons: mircea_popescu: no i never found anything on btcjam it was just for comedy, but its all reruns
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.90000, Best ask: 48.95775, Bid-ask spread: 0.05775, Last trade: 48.90000, 24 hour volume: 39353.49357783, 24 hour low: 47.12009, 24 hour high: 49.00000, 24 hour vwap: 48.07990
gribble: There are currently 1875.6022 bitcoins offered at or under 49.2 USD, worth 92021.233743 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0018 seconds
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi how much you put down for ltc is above 0.01 btc at the end of 2013
kakobrekla: yeah, my guess is its below 0.01 at the end of the year
Chaang-Noi: oh, what do i think the price will be?
kakobrekla: was wondering if youd bet on that since you seem to be lite jesus
Chaang-Noi: good question but if i were to bet on even odds i would say over .01
Chaang-Noi: oh no, im not going to do bitbet, ill makea bet with you personally if you want
pigeons: i bet matthew n wright pays
Chaang-Noi: btw im no where near the largest ltc holder, wish i was :)
Chaang-Noi: pigeons i hope so, he owes me 5000 ltc:)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 12450 @ 0.0018 = 22.41 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so people ask me "ok 1 dollar buys 1000 trilema credits, but how many credits do you need to read an article ?"
Chaang-Noi: problem with bitbet is you have no idea what the odds are when the bet ends
pigeons: cause when you make an assumption, you make an ass out of u and umption
mircea_popescu: still... i mean notionally. "a credit". well... a credit to what 1/3 read ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 48.90013, Best ask: 48.99239, Bid-ask spread: 0.09226, Last trade: 48.99239, 24 hour volume: 39722.91241967, 24 hour low: 47.12009, 24 hour high: 49.00000, 24 hour vwap: 48.09012
pigeons: i always wondered, now i know 1 credit per article
Chaang-Noi: Mar18 21:54:20 mtgox x11 211.8929 @ 49.1439944 USD
pigeons: i probably would have bought some in the past if a btc address was generated automatically, but i aint gonna email someone to get an address for his blog
mircea_popescu: pigeons i got too lazy to implement bitpay or w./e the solution is
mircea_popescu: lew rockwell : "This proves that the licensing was – and always will be – a scheme merely to fill government coiffures."
deadweasel: someone just buys it all up at once, after no volume at all
benkay: i want to fill the government hair.
benkay: use your imagination, deadweasel.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if you fuck a girl long enough, eventually she enters this zombie state
deadweasel: remove the question mark and that's your title