mircea_popescu: smickles it shouldn't mention people by name cause of hilighting issue
deadweasel: i've been in aspergers irc channel all day and only 3 people have spoken
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 206 @ 0.18392015 = 37.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C450T] 144 @ 0.22 = 31.68 BTC [+]
deadweasel: I'm gonna get these apies to talk if it kills me
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
smickles: bah, i'll just stop the markov stuffs
gribble: 1 BTC = 43.98000 U.S. dollars = 33.8047656 Euros
jurov: ^ finally back to normal concerns
jurov: yup, CoinBr.MPBPT-E sells nicely
jurov: that trust amazes me... jumping now into something that will pay in the end of april.. maybe.
gribble: Current Blocks: 224907 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.0008422 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 884 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4768367.08384 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.16901
jurov: CoinBr.iDiff-O March SALE: Now at 0.0580 only!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5105 = 7.147 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 105784.75 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9308184.03323 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4770622.24721 based on data since last change | 4705708.63176 based on data for last three days
jurov: well, looks like it's hit
jurov: disconnected it, iptables time
jurov: Mar 8 22:31:49 ip-10-48-233-64 kernel: [114573.916044] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]
jborkl_: it is saying unrecognized key
jborkl_: my key manager might be using the wrong default key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5299 = 5.299 BTC [+]
mod6: what's up with gribble.. needed to re-auth and it gave me this:
mod6: You don't have permission to access /otps/D655A630A13E8C69 on this server.
mod6: Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
asa1024: Having a problem, Citizen?
mod6: (15:52) < mod6> hey nanotube
mod6: i can verify that this failure occurs on two sepearte hosts
smickles: < mircea_popescu> smickles bring mpexbot post online pls. << right away capin'
mpexbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
smickles: hmm, how to have help list the 3 commands
smickles: there are depth, vwap, and post
smickles: you can do a 'help <command>' to get specifics
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap Takes no arguments.) -- Returns all available market data, excepting depth
mod6: ok i was able to use MPEx via dpaste & assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00074998 BTC [+]
mod6: i gotta see if any of the proxies can process PGP messages similar to mpex.co used to -- otherwise I gotta change my perl scripts
FabianB: if they are online, yes, works exactly the same
mod6: cause i can be lazy until i gotta update 'em with the new mpex key
jurov: pympex should be spewing out messages with new key by now
jurov: datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 10, 23, 59, 59)
jurov: ^something is wrong here
jurov: i understood the change will be tomorrow... March 10 midnight
jurov: looks like it's indeed switched
jurov: everyone fix ya code to datetime.utcnow() < datetime(2013, 3, 9, 23, 59, 59)
mod6: when it rains, it pours
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.69 = 6.9 BTC [+]
mod6: well, ok gotta run for a bit here... but got lots more to do.
mod6: The good news is that MPEx orders are processing with ye ole assbot
jurov: actually looks like both keys work now
mod6: oh thats cool. thanks for checking that out.
mod6: nanotube: when you get back... im still getting a 403 Forbidden when trying to get my OTP from gribble. I'll be back perhaps after midnight CDT if you need help or anything...
jurov: hm, mpex.coinbr.com back online although very slowly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P310T] 75 @ 0.02656921 = 1.9927 BTC [-]
BitHub: blockchain not working?
pigeons: Namworld: he's using a bitvps
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24899 BTC [-]
jurov: no quickly grabber amazon
jurov: but had to drop mpex.coinbr.com, it's just not manageable
kakobrekla: i have a proxy runing but only for people i death with this one aint leakin
Namworld: Damn, mpex.coinbr.com was my only access
jurov: and messed up the setup a bit, coinbr.com will be available when dns clears out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5299 = 1.0598 BTC [+]
pigeons: really kind of ridiculous to make a story and pretend it means more than absolutely nothing
B0g4r7: ^ Suppose Luke-jr travels to BFL HQ next week and obtains BFL ASICs before the 15th. Will the bet be decided as true? Does it still count as "delivery" if he picks them up?
B0g4r7: I think he's an order-holding customer.
pigeons: he's a customer, it says customers
kakobrekla: the bet for May will exclude luke and giga
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749 = 2.247 BTC [+]
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
kakobrekla: >>Bitcoin is beta, SatoshiDICE is taking advantage of bugs in the software.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.249 BTC [+]
Namworld: hmm, I can't decode MPEx's replies
Namworld: using a proxy just like mpex.coinbr.com
smickles: I was just recently able to decode an mpex reply
jurov: just found out amazon s3 allows POSTS
Namworld: It says perhaps i didn't sign the key. But it worked before.
jurov: i'll do mpex proxy there, FUCK YA DDoSers
BitHub: is this done in real time?
Namworld: I'm booting my Bitcoin Armory. Tip incoming.
jurov: i can mirror mpex to the s3 cdn
[\\\]: Namworld, get ssd, it loads in <1 minutes
jurov: and it can accept post requests that show as files in s3 storage
Namworld: It takes me 40 minutes to boot the damn thing
Namworld: I have hexacore with 8 GB ram... the ressources are hardly being used.
[\\\]: then you're doing something wrong
[\\\]: it shouldn't take that long
Namworld: Armory still takes it's goddamn sweet time to load
[\\\]: have you updated it?
Namworld: It also keeps crashing randomly. And yes, I update it.
Namworld: months ago, it used to load in 3 minutes
Namworld: now it crashes, doesn't update confirmations while running and take 40 minutes to boot.
Namworld: But I've been upgrading bitcoind/armory when new versions come out for quite some time and it never fixed anything.
jurov: this one makes a difference
Namworld: I think it's more of a problem with Armory but eh
Namworld: I'm reloading the blockchain now...
Namworld: Damn, 0.8 is going much faster
Namworld: But .7 wasn't really slow to start with.
Namworld: the DDoS is persistent... It's been what, 2 or 3 days?
nanotube: so, do we now have a complete bot interface to mpex?
mircea_popescu: the drawbacks of having a dayjob lol. it was his idea to start with
Namworld: It was down. I think jurov is currently putting it back up on amazon
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067334 / 0.00073042 / 0.00075 (329638 shares, 240.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074909 / 0.00078628 (11033986 shares, 8,265.55 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (60249830 shares, 41,255.72 BTC)
Namworld: Well I could sign orders manually and use the bot
Namworld: But that's slow to swiftly switch orders around.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 43.90000, Best ask: 43.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.09900, Last trade: 43.99900, 24 hour volume: 43158.15323252, 24 hour low: 42.00000, 24 hour high: 44.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.43720
Namworld: Good for just placing an order or two.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i suppose you could write an irc bot of your own
Bowjob: why dont we stop selling BTC for USD and jus BTC all together
Bowjob: that way gox prices wont go down, and if we pay with BTC the value doesnt go down
Namworld: That would be assuming I could even program such a thing. I don't have the know-how to.
Bowjob: seems like a win win situation if everyone does that
mircea_popescu: Namworld im sure one will crop up soon enough, much like pympex did
Bowjob: if they sell to USD, its lose-lose. btc value goes down and they get fiat
Namworld: Because merchants being paid in BTC needs to sell them to buy the goods from others in USD...
jurov: and i'm researching users posting orders directly into amazon s3 :)
Bowjob: those merchants that need goods should pay other merchants in btc
Namworld: a DDoS resistant MPEx interface.
mircea_popescu: lol well folks... i hate to be the one feeding the conspiracy theories, but
mircea_popescu: while it's marginally possible some random internet bloke has the power to be doing all this, it seems somewhat unlikely.
mircea_popescu: there is a lot of skill and there are a lot of resources involved with such ample ddosing
jborkl_: i already thought of this, and I know who
Namworld: Anyone with a good botnet could do so, but why?
mircea_popescu: just the traffic i've clocked, and i've not clocked all of it, would have cost on the black market a good few thousand $$$
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 11 @ 0.62997 = 6.9297 BTC [-]
Namworld: Where's the request for money for it to stop?
mircea_popescu: even if im getting half of all ddos bitcoing is getting , that puts the total cost of this adventure in the 10k range
mircea_popescu: not counting the time and effort involved on the admin side
mircea_popescu: there's literally not that many people with a botnet good enough
Namworld: Unless it was started by a botnet owner, not purchased off the black market.
mircea_popescu: also there's risks involved (if you run it continuously isps find your zombies)
Namworld: Infected computers don't cost much to operate.
mircea_popescu: ya but ideologically speaking, it'd seem an odd fit to ddos bitcoin
Namworld: Seems it's targeting MPEx only.
Namworld: MPEx has a huge wallet... I would have thought ransom request.
jborkl_: whoo is the biggest dipshit with a grudge? There is your answer
mircea_popescu: and blockchain.info wallet for instance isn't all that fat.
jborkl_: that Has 24hr access to botnets
smickles: that guy was off a whole other hinge
Namworld: I don't think any of these individuals have such botnet access.
mircea_popescu: ciuciu couldn't afgford to retire his 50 btc debt are you kidding m,e ?
pigeons: if someone wants to pm me a proxy
BitHub: hey guys check out my ticker bithub.asia hope to be adding some assets prices and gold and silver prices soon :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to process a coupla donations to freenode for me ? you need cc/pp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.52998999 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: how much money are we talking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54879 BTC [+]
dub: you can get a spoof for free just ask in #freenode
BitHub: thanks mircea, hope to have some mpex in there soon and have it in real time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 16 @ 0.569 = 9.104 BTC [+]
jborkl_: Illlsend it Mp, tell me the detdeta
mircea_popescu: something/somebody is going after crucial bitcoin infrastructure
Chaang-Noi: im not too shocked, someone just wants lower priced coins
mircea_popescu: mpex is hanging by a thread, mostly because it doesn't actually need a website
Namworld: Someone manipulated the price. Convinced businesses to accept Bitcoin and newswriter to make good articles.
Namworld: Now that he's sold at a hefty price all he got, he's attacking stuff to send it all back down.
BitHub: yep saturday lunch time
BitHub: good break from bitcoin
smickles: Chaang-Noi: what have you been drinking recently?
dub: mircea_popescu: fatter tube holding up?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
BitHub: i like the idea of twitter trading for mainstreamers for situations like this
Chaang-Noi: on bitfunder can you not see the market if you do not have an account?
BitHub: you can see what each asset is worth
BitHub: and bids and asks on teh asset
mircea_popescu: actually brokers also work fine, the only thing off is the website
Chaang-Noi: thanks dub facepalm for no link to that one the homepage...
dub: its there the site doesnt work in some browsers
dub: I had the same problem
dub: you can still facepalm
Chaang-Noi: asicminer at .7 on both sites, not bad
BitHub: ahh so you actually have mpex brokers that can trade outside of mpex?
BitHub: sorry i thought it was something dif
BitHub: so i could be a broker for outsiders just by having a membership? :)
BitHub: ima have to sign up if i ever see 30btc to spare
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f1d64cbfe5e2c1cd476971545c0677c8865a7770210dd351e8d0d57a
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1337 2 Official supplier of freenode chains.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user pizzaman1337 has been recorded.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
Bowjob: this btc sell off is mildly entertaining
Bowjob: watching coinlab.. bulls vs bears fighting
pigeons: sel off? its higher than last time i looked by a few dollars
pizzaman1337: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 Great experience with Bit4X, highly recommended
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
smickles: < mircea_popescu> what do you mean outside of mpex ?! << transfer ownership of mpex assest as people, preferrably with contracts
smickles: just because it's in my mpex account, doesn't mean i necessarily own it. I may hold it for another who then wants to trade with a third who wants me to hold it for them as well
kakobrekla: yeah, better downrate me quick mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: on one hand, if you're a broker, then you enter trades into the exchange at the behest of customers.
kakobrekla: id be at 200 if id been a rating whore
mircea_popescu: if you don't enter the trades you're not a broker, you're a bucket shot.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if you're acting in a private capacity obviously you can do whatever you want with your own assets.
mircea_popescu: now, as long as the third party knows this, ie, you're not presenting yourself as a broker when you're not brokering this is all fine
smickles: also there is the taboo way to trade off mpex
pigeons: ripple ious for mpex assets
smickles: how about this, register, buy X, sell the gpg key
smickles: or rather, sell X and deliver the key
doctor_pullfingr: has anyone tried open transactions ious? I like that ripple idea but they don't have a server
pigeons: doctor_pullfingr: knotwork runs 2 open-transactions servers. ripple does have a server. do you mean cause they didnt open source the server yet?
smickles: i tried OT, but it took so much to install on my system that i kinda burned out on it
doctor_pullfingr: i don't care if they open source the server or whatever, private licensees is fine, I just want my own server.
smickles: afaik, you get as many keys as you buy
smickles: (well, that's a silly way to put it)
pigeons: you can have as many keys as you like but the keys arent "active" without 200 xrp owner reserve + 50 xrp + 50 xrp per trust line
pigeons: same as before, private payment networks, plus now the integration with bitstamp and ukto's weexchange
doctor_pullfingr: Oh, I thought you meant sell the mpex key. I got the free ripples so I can sign up people already have, but I still want my own server.
kakobrekla: bitstamp is retarded, the only reason they have so big market share is cause they dont hassle folks with ids n stuff
doctor_pullfingr: thanks mp for the lesson I'll be changing my nick to bucketshop soon
kakobrekla: the practical use of ripple invloves bitstamp which involves retardation
doctor_pullfingr: I think there is a ripple gateway client in the wild but to make it work with mpex seat you need the to server. I'm floating the idea for comments, I don't know for sure if this will work.
knotwork: There is some kind of ubunto install now for OT, you just tell your system about the repo and use apt-get or somesuch to install it
knotwork: no idea, I dont see how OT helps with mpex really
maximian: can someone pm me an mpex proxy?
doctor_pullfingr: If I want to sell ripple ious where people pay me bullshit fiat and I automatically purchase beloved satoshi dice, then I need something that talks to mpex. I think OT is the closest tool for that,,but some automation is probably lacking.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
maximian: I'm lazy… just wanted to replace a string in pympex
maximian: does pympex now work with this irc bot?
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr im just thinking, you want to talk to mpex programatically, pympex is like two pages of python
maximian: mircea_popescu: what about setting up 100 AWS t1.micro instances (only $23/year if reserved, or $1.91/month), and install the proxy server and bind on each. Then add all 100 instance IPs as A records to mpex.co.
doctor_pullfingr: I'm kinda worried about security on that approach because Im just some warehouse developer.
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i scarcely see how more code can mean more security, in principle.
Bowjob: someone in the us got their Avalon now
Bowjob: i wonder how likely it is that by the time my avalon 2 ships, bfl still hasn't shipped?
doctor_pullfingr: I'm not at all against that, just voicing a concern. I had the idea that the developer for the OT server thought more about authentication more than I care to think about it
Bowjob: theres 200 BTC say NO on bitbet
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr yeah, i'm mostly talking outloud on the topic too
knotwork: mpex uses gpg authentication though so why you need OT's auth on top of that?
mircea_popescu: knotwork i took it he meant he's concerned as to what to do with the data coming out of pympex
Bowjob: i feel bad for mr 500 BTC on yes
knotwork: though I suppose you could plug in GPG libs instead of OTs currencty crypto libs since it meant to be pluggable
doctor_pullfingr: I don't have enough rich friends where I can convince them to spend 30 BTC per account.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob bitbet is doing some brisk trade this month for sure
knotwork: what is the actual use case? own things in mpex on behalf of people you act as broker for?
knotwork: so you want to tamper-proof your own records of what you are holding on behalf of who?
maximian: it just needs to be integrated into pympex and we're done
knotwork: its suprising people actually use IRC bot. I made entire exchanges between umpteen coin types before and no one ever used it
mircea_popescu: knotwork when i brought mpex back after it's half day pause yest
knotwork: yeah weird, as it even still needs the gpg that people complain about
knotwork: mine was plain IRC bot, just say hello to it give it password, standard insecure crap like normal people seem to prefer
knotwork: held wallet for you based on your IRC nick, one wallet per type of altcoin
knotwork: is it true at all that using Tor .onion site or i2p site these DDOS attacks would not work?
knotwork: I would've though the DDOS might just kind of clog entire Tor or i2p system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.545 = 1.635 BTC [-]
maximian: It looks like you can actually start 100 t1.micro instances in Amazon's Ireland data centre… tempting
maximian: I wonder how that plays out legally
doctor_pullfingr: so, sounds like old school irc server and irc bot/supybot/pympex is all I need
mircea_popescu: knotwork the tor proposition is a little more complicated
mircea_popescu: doctor_pullfingr i don't see why you'd need an irc server
maximian: it'd be $437/month on a spot-price basis
knotwork: does email still work for communicating with mpex?
knotwork: its how I originally isgned up I think?
knotwork: tho hmm maybe I did use web for status command
knotwork: oh but thats it, email doesnt work for whole panoply of commands?
mircea_popescu: knotwork it never did. i said at some point day before yest that if the worst comes to worst im taking mpex to email
Namworld: Someone would have to be strongly dedicated for that to happen tho
Namworld: Anyway, I'm off to sleep. Night
Bowjob: These are some delicious pictures
Bowjob: printing over $300 equivalent
Bowjob: Looks like BFL might downgrade their specs
jcpham: who wants me to tell them how paranoid i am
jcpham: it's an interesting story about two events
jcpham: i received two phone calls this evening within 10 minutes on different phones
jcpham: unintelligellible speech
jcpham: i think it was information gathering
jcpham: i'm downloading the voicemail recording to study the waveform
jcpham: i'm not sure... my voice, my location
jcpham: considering how often my phone rings
Ukto: Bowjob: so that was another batch 1 shipment that got delivered today? 0,o
Bowjob: its not like all the people who got them are posting
Bowjob: this chinese dude didnt tell the forums until he had problems
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 31 seconds
Ukto: ahh, i saw the package picture and thought it just arrived
jcpham: gavin emailed some pools
jcpham: suggested increasing block limit
jcpham: or reminded them of where the config settings for this are located
jcpham: bitcoinfoundation blog
jcpham: prolly wanna follow that one
mircea_popescu: he's not recommending anything but here's some guesswork.
jcpham: it's better than nothing
jcpham: i like how he does fear, uncertainty, and doubt as three separate bitcointalk forum links
jcpham: nanotube how goes the diplomatic corps
jcpham: the kids are totally abusing gribble
jborkl: Ok, I almost have it worked out, to take mpex on your phone
jborkl: Two steps, working out the kinks
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mpexbot: nanotube: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
nanotube: maybe consider making a separate channel with some help in topic.
nanotube: to make the different bots and their commands more discoverable...
mircea_popescu: yeah the topic might use some reworking. things very fluid still.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main mpex should be online soon and maybe maximian brings online a suite of tinies ?
jborkl: I got it off the key server,since I am doing this on my phone
jborkl: Ok, thanks. The phone will trade easily with the bot
jborkl: Only a couple steps, and they could be combined
jborkl: It opens the potential, so people don't have to use python or be proficient with gpg
mircea_popescu: Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system. They had to re-learn basic skills — reading, writing and math — first before they could begin college courses.
Rick__: Hi,why MPEx still cant be used?
Rick__: And I withdrawed 423bitcoin yesterday,and didnt receive yet
Bowjob: how the fuck do you forget how to read
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
Rick__: MPEx,I still cant open the website
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: i've flushed deposits/withdrawals a number of times since yesterday,
Rick__: so complicated for me~~~~~~
mircea_popescu: if you didn't get yours processed tghere was a problem with it (such as it being larger than the amt available, for instance)
Rick__: so when can I receive my withdraw?
jborkl: Mp, I am just tired. But I have it worked out to trade from the phone easily
mircea_popescu: Rick__ if you've not received it yet there was a problem with it
mircea_popescu: do a STAT to make sure what you can withdraw the do a withdrawal.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.74 = 13.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.749 = 1.498 BTC [+]
Rick__: o shit,you are right,I put a number big then I have
Rick__: and about the bots,I can only use them here?
mircea_popescu: issue a fixed order, i'm arround so it will be processed fast.
mircea_popescu: we are working to bring much more power online, but it may take a little longer.
Rick__: and when will the MPEx be back/
mircea_popescu: as soon as possible. you can read a status update on the forum
mircea_popescu: also people like jborkl_ are working to bring trade interface to phones
Rick__: and how can I give a withdraw command here/
mircea_popescu: first make the clearsigned and encrypted text for it as normal
Rick__: about trade interface to phones,that's very very useful,I want know more later
Rick__: pastebin.com is a website?I cant open it
Rick__: Let me try another way
Rick__: and put my text in this one?
Rick__: yes, just the code,leave other things along?
Rick__: first which is the url you are talking about,i dont understand
Rick__: "url" define it please
Rick__: sorry,I dont know much about computer
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 9 seconds
Rick__: Okay,I gott go,and waiting for MPEx back
BitHub: is the mpex api data working atm?
BitHub: ahh sweet thank you sir
BitHub: i guess i have to wait for website to come back to get a website version of the api?
jcpham: i have another super awesome blog-a-ma-post
jcpham: about how me and this dude are video collaborating using mega.co.nz
jcpham: me and my friend nick were bitching about how we don't have dropbox accounts
jcpham: that hold hundreds of gbs
jcpham: they were quick to deliver on fpga
jcpham: nzghang or whatever his name is
mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy whi discovered the chips bfl used in fpga ?
jcpham: seems like he reverse engineered it
jcpham: or identified it using all knowlege available
dub: he scraped the plastic off
jcpham: maybe he watched the history channel
midnightmagic: ngzhang is the one who reverse-engineered the identities of the fpga in bfl singles.
midnightmagic: ngzhang reconnected a trace that had been destroyed which prevented the chip from identifying itself normally.
midnightmagic: he is also the most ethical businessperson, next to magicaltux, I have ever seen operating in the ethics-challenged bitcoinland.
midnightmagic: present company excepted from such a comparison of course.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic what's some highlights of magicaltux ethicalness ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Paying out-of-pocket for all hacks/malfunctions, giving out free yubikeys to help secure accounts, sponsoring events, fighting legal battles to help keep bitcoin legal, maintaining privacy of accounts (excepting the coinlab thing,) participating in infrastructure rollout, keeping permanent historical account trade records..
mircea_popescu: i do recall the absorbing of the failed polish exchange
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: he also strongly fights against illegal activities and thefts that use his systems for laundry activities.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no. trades were rolled back during their hack
midnightmagic: he lost 2000 btc from that, and paid out-of-pocket.
Ukto: "avalon is wiping the floor with bfl" and "asicminer is wiping the floor with avalon"
midnightmagic: I'm failing to see how doing an exchange rollback as a result of unauthorized account activity is itself unethical.
mircea_popescu: paying out of pocked for all hacks/malfunctions means they honor every single order at 1 cent a bitcoin that was ever made.
Ukto: except AMs turnup time is far faster
Ukto: I can only say so much
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the sticky issues in my mind is whether the hacked account at that time was mtgox selftrading on customer credit, and whether the email leak at that time is something they failed to prevent
Ukto: kinda sad since i bought avalons and rooting for them
Ukto: but i know the reality of things hehe
mircea_popescu: well, so they come out to about even as best i can see.
Ukto: wiwthin the next 2~6 days
Ukto: although if I get my avalons in the next week, i will be stoked :P
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: There is no evidence that is the case, nor is there any evidence from our perspective that MtGox themselves did anything less than they could have to prevent the account leaks. From what we know, it was either two hacks, one of them being a readout from a financial analyst who had privileged access, and the other being completely unknown, or one hack, being the financial analyst.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's a fact that customers had been reporting passwords being broken into which tux/gox blamed on customers, for weeks prior.
mircea_popescu: and the guy with the emails db claimed that it was mtgox poor practices (course... he's the thief)
midnightmagic: And we have no evidence that that is not the case. Also, many of those who complained publically disappeared and did not pursue the matter when confronted.
mircea_popescu: in fact, afaik none did pursue the matter when confronted
midnightmagic: One of them did, but only on the forum, and did not seem at all concerned about losing $50k worth of bc.
mircea_popescu: anyways. just taking the opportunity to compare notes.
midnightmagic: Point is, MtGox has been exceedingly ethical, especially when contrasted with real-world banks and other financial institutions.
mircea_popescu: Ukto re avalons, some deliveries have been popping up in the us
midnightmagic: Most of the inconsistencies we can see are just as likely to be MT's lack of perfect knowledge of what's going on, which of course I know of no people who are perfectly aware of their own systems.
midnightmagic: Yeah, Avalons are being delivered in California already
Ukto: yeah, but those are batch 1
Ukto: batch 2 shipping eta was mar 5 ~ april 5
midnightmagic: Batch #2, as far as I'm aware, hasn't even fully been order-filled.
Bowjob: Oh man.. BFL victims caught a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome
mircea_popescu: Ukto batch 1 was like 200 units iirc. that's a total 12th or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: asicminer, also ready in january, also 12 th, has slowly been bringing units online to about what, 5-7th now
Bowjob: well mp, their deadline was actually feb 28
Bowjob: the jan 20 was a "bonus"
Ukto: I know alot about AM that I cant discuss. :)
Ukto: just be ready to be surprised.
Bowjob: that never materialized
Ukto: technically all of batch 1 was supposed to be shipped by march 1st
mircea_popescu: Bowjob ya well, keeping accurate accounting of all the weird communication people pour into the market out of noobishness and whatever other reasons is difficult.
Bowjob: yeah, they were 10 days late
midnightmagic: And in China, a few users did in fact receive their units.
Bowjob: yifu said feb 28.. then he moved it to possible jan 20 deliver
Bowjob: he did deliver 2 on jan, but got shut down by the chinese
Bowjob: then resumed on march up to march 10,
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's very fortunate and convenient that 1. asics are delivered by two companies with roughly equal output
midnightmagic: Some users did get their units outside of jgarzik and the btc foundation.
mircea_popescu: and 2. that these are producing each less than about half the network
Bowjob: yeah there was this chinese dude that didnt tell the forums
mircea_popescu: Bowjob there were some who did report privately. i knew of a few.
Bowjob: so avalon did deliver, they are late for the rest though, since their deadline was by march 1st
Bowjob: theres this one dude at the forums offering $10000 for an avalon
Bowjob: if bfl fails to deliver, batch 2 avalon will ship
Bowjob: no, its just some random dude at the forums
Bowjob: offering to buy an avalon for $10000
mircea_popescu: this is a little more than what asicminer increased. so... he's about in the market atm.
Chaang-Noi: i would odds are pay $10k for a working alalon that was right here right now.
Chaang-Noi: at current rates, and bfl wont get there in that time...
Bowjob: when will bfl realistically ship?..
mircea_popescu: i would pay 1300 dollars within 60 days for a delivered and guaranteed asic.
mircea_popescu: what i do with it is nobody's business, what the heck is this.
Bowjob: i mean, 200 BTC.. thats says no on bitbet
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't pay 10k for a computer just because i can make 10k on a computer in 15 days
BitHub: i'm intrested in that film stuff you were saying the other day mircea
BitHub: where you doing a commercial for mpex?
Chaang-Noi: not paying something for $10k when you could odds are get $50k from it in 3 months?
BitHub: you were going to film a renactment or osmething
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi nope. i pay by costs not by what seller judges "i might make"
Bowjob: mhm, i find it good news that the asics that were shipped took a week only
mircea_popescu: BitHub o, the gumpys. i never cancelled, the other party vanished.
Bowjob: considering its from china
Chaang-Noi: i doubt anyone would really sell one for only 10k
Bowjob: cant wait to get my hands on it. it even comes with gloves
Chaang-Noi: i bet asicminer shares are going to bubble soon
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
Bowjob: damn chang, touching assbot
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 44.40666, Best ask: 44.49000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08334, Last trade: 44.94000, 24 hour volume: 40002.15598561, 24 hour low: 42.41100, 24 hour high: 44.94000, 24 hour vwap: 43.69874
Bowjob: oh.. well as for the asic
Bowjob: thats considering you convert it to fiat
Bowjob: which is very difficult for me to do
Bowjob: I wonder what people were thinking when they bought Avalon 1
Bowjob: josh said theyd deliver faster, and bfl were superior tech wise
Bowjob: .. then whats the point of avalon then
Bowjob: heck, yifu said avalon wont deliver first
Bowjob: .. did someone see through josh's lie?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob i think midnightmagic bought some, you can ask him
Bowjob: yeah midnight, if you're from batch 1
Bowjob: Yeah.. coz, back then BFL said they would deliver sooner
Bowjob: and they had better specs
Bowjob: so.. why would anyone buy from Avalon?
Bowjob: and yifu announced after bfl announced
midnightmagic: Diversity of hardware in the event of asic doomsday, ethics of ngzhang, BFL's past history of late delivery, and I've been mining since Dec '10.
midnightmagic: Heck, I was about to order one from cablepair before he went insane.
Bowjob: mhm.. the whole thing was a minefild
midnightmagic: I'm fairly sure that electricity won't be the lower bound of price for some time. The first time was market reaction to the bubble crash, and lots of doofuses predicting the death of bitcoin.
midnightmagic: and yet it.. never.. quite.. dipped below electricity costs.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i'd guess electricity will never be the bound. fixed costs amortisation will always be larger from now on
mircea_popescu: take a while for a 60gh asic to cost 1.x k usd in electricity.
Bowjob: heck, if this becomes profitable for me I'll rent a warehouse
mircea_popescu: by then probably better units need to be bought. and so...
Bowjob: and avalon users will get credit for a trade in, yeah?
mircea_popescu: the thing is before a large portion of mining cost was hidden (as "free" expertise)
midnightmagic: Bowjob: The amusing part is, people who do that simply can't compete with the long tail of people doing for "free" in their hobby time and getting the cheap tier of residential electrical costs. :)
mircea_popescu: since now all that is being paid for, people get a much better idea of their actual costs.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Avalon customers are getting credit for Icarus trade-in and .. the other one. Lancelot.
Bowjob: Trade in Avalon 1 for something else
Bowjob: oh well.. decades from now, it will be a collector's item
midnightmagic: "This thing made a whole bunch of money and then suddenly became completely useless!"
Bowjob: "It produced 7 BTC in its heyday"
midnightmagic: "What is it?" "Don't know, every time we plug it in it keeps trying to connect to a weird IP address and port.."
midnightmagic: I'll tell you one thing. I am *SO* looking forward to the near-future day when I can shut all my g-d miners right the hell off.
Bowjob: are you moving to LTC?
midnightmagic: I mean my GPU and FPGA. I've been itching to do some FPGA development for some time now.
midnightmagic: I don't even bother RMA'ing my GPU anymore. Total waste of time.
Bowjob: Is it viable to live off of BTC
Bowjob: It seems a crazy idea to me.. that might just work
Chaang-Noi: i was told he has 60,000 btc locked in his offline never spend coins
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midnightmagic: He reported having 60,000 bitcoind not in his never-spend, but in his "don't sell right now" 20% holdback from mining profits.
midnightmagic: That was before he mined for another bunch of months and then started selling his designs to unknown third parties.
midnightmagic: mrb_ came in one time and started talking about something he'd heard existed: a preimage-like attack on the hashing algo which allowed a 2x speedup algorithmically, to any miner implementing it.
midnightmagic: it would be awesome because FPGA would kill asic then.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00549999 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 650 @ 0.0055 = 3.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65923 / 0.9 (449 shares, 296 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65303 / 0.9 (1046 shares, 683.1 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: i expect this weeks or next weeks dividend to be awesome, and thus make more demand
BitHub: whens teh next one due?
zefir: Goat, people seem to expect ASICMINER to continue paying 2 cents dividends per week for a year, which is a bit of too much confidence imho
Chaang-Noi: zefir i think they can hold on average 10% of the network for 2 years
zefir: if they could, 0.9 is fair. still speculative
Chaang-Noi: and honestly bfl is 1.5 months away at best i think, if we get to 12 th and then 60 th, we will be killing it:)
BitHub: crazy to pay those prices for asicminer
zefir: not right, my BFLS are the most stable mining devices i had so far
Chaang-Noi: if bfl did fail on the chips it would be awesome for asicminer, we would have 50% not 10% of the network
BitHub: is there going to be a new primeasic thing?
zefir: expect there to be more competitors than BFL in July
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi about one third asicminer, one third avalon, one third old network + others
mircea_popescu: the actual asic producer has not yet been born i would guess.
Chaang-Noi: even if bfl does ship, first batch is only 25 th right? avalon is less?
mircea_popescu: avalon has about 10-20th being delivered atm and making another what, 20-50
zefir: 0.9 is tempting for a quick buck i must say. but if bitcoin as a whole takes of (like is currently doing) long term, holding some asicminer could be your retirement ;)
mircea_popescu: asicminer has a 10ish being delivered and making another 20-50
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 0.9 = 18.9 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah zefir, i bought back much of what i sold around .5 to .6
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.975 = 19.5 BTC [+]
zefir: Goat, you're in the board again?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1 = 25 BTC [+]
zefir: i have the remaining shares for you. 1BTC each ;)
BitHub: anyone want to buy 50 for 2btc?
Chaang-Noi: zefir that was my shares that just got sold at 1 btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.0057 = 2.85 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i think we could go higher, but i can part with 25 :)
BitHub: let me know when it gets to 1.5 or 2 - i'm out then.
zefir: Goat, how much coins do i need in hand to retire in Thailand?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.21735385 = 217.3539 BTC [-]
Bowjob: we're about to ram $45 per coin
Chaang-Noi: zefir i have a wife and a kid, very nice house, and everything, i live very well here on $15,000 a year
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19526866 = 195.2687 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: if you did $30k a year you would really live it up
Bowjob: $15,000.. thats what I earned 2 years ago as a cashier
zefir: ok, so like 10k coins and i'm done. that is 1.5BTC per ASICMINER and you see me there ;)
Bowjob: so around 4 bitcoins then
BitHub: i might do the same and go to phils
Bowjob: thats what i spend on a nice meal in vancouver
Bowjob: woudlnt it be grand if i make money here
zefir: this is too easy, there must be some hook in there
Chaang-Noi: my 3 bed room house with garden and all that is only $160 a month rent
Bowjob: then spend it in some 3rd world country
Bowjob: why dont u just buy it
BitHub: that's what i would do if i was bored
BitHub: then you cant get that bored
BitHub: you just dont know how to have fun with your money
toffoo: how did you retire the first time?
zefir: Goat, it can't be that easy. but well, my problem is my wife will not follow to Thailand, so i'm out for now :(
BitHub: you can get about 10 wives in thailand
Chaang-Noi: ahh zefir i got a thai wife, thats the smart way to do it:)
zefir: maybe, but not the one wife you get used to ;)
BitHub: doesn't that get boring?
BitHub: like watching the same movie over and over and over again every day?
zefir: you mean the only one wife?
Chaang-Noi: bithub is right, you can have more than one here, in thai they even have words for ranking them
BitHub: if i send you some btc
zefir: no, can't complain. it is a give and take - she also has to watch the same tv show
BitHub: can you jsut buy thai women for me and put them all in a house?
toffoo: well i imagine you'll retire a second time from mpex someday soon,
Chaang-Noi: in thailand you can only rent thai women, however you can buy women from outher countries
mircea_popescu: zefir BitHub i guess there's about 20 years keeping you apart.
toffoo: just curious how you did it the first time .. before bitcoin
BitHub: how old are you mate? :)
mircea_popescu: toffoo i sold everythign and went to costa rica, basically.
BitHub: heh i heard that's the best place to setup a company
BitHub: is that why you went to costa?
mircea_popescu: well eventually you have enough of playing poker with aging american expats
mircea_popescu: the rum was good, the aguacate nice, the mango fantastic an so on
toffoo: missing the good life back in romania?
BitHub: because you cant cash out a million dollars worth of btc?
BitHub: i'm bored but i'm poor
mircea_popescu: cause how bored you are depends on what you're doing not on how rich you are.
BitHub: its all about the numbers baby
BitHub: if you're rich and bored you don't deserve to have money
mircea_popescu: there's only so much flan a person can eat, to quote one of the recent billionaires.
BitHub: well first step i would look at all the people in my life, family and really close friends and solve all their money problems
mircea_popescu: within a coupla years they'll have worse money problems.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason they have them now, and that reason ain't the aliens.
BitHub: that's true, good thing i've got no friends so i would just help my family
BitHub: i'm pretty sure i would be dead within a month, i would just go to psycho with the money
BitHub: driving pass people throwing wads of cash at them
mircea_popescu: ya well, that's the thing. takes a lot of brains to be rich and bored in the end.
mircea_popescu: most dumbasses that win the lottery end up dead / in jail / poor again
BitHub: i guess its boring when you're not just burning through it without caring
BitHub: that's when its really fun
mircea_popescu: no, that's when it's really obvious how empty/pointless/mindless you really are.
BitHub: not really, sometimes just dont care
BitHub: um what else, probably hire 100 social media trolls and have them in a office and just kick back and watch them troll certain celebs or public figures
BitHub: actually mircea i would just be making movies
BitHub: that would be really fun to me
BitHub: ahh okey hmm retirement lets see, all you can do is just travel the world hey getting into adventures, meeting random girls
BitHub: definitly got to check out alot more countries in my time :)
BitHub: how old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
Bowjob: mentlegen, we hit $45 once again
Bowjob: now where is that troll who said btc top was $24 dollars
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.29000, Best ask: 45.46212, Bid-ask spread: 0.17212, Last trade: 45.46212, 24 hour volume: 42365.65870584, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.84294
BitHub: nice i want to see 50 after weekend tho
Bowjob: i just a fucking house in vancouver
Bowjob: i thought that was the whole point of life in vancouver. be the landowner master race
Bowjob: so that you can charge rent on the basement, get the basement to pay for the mortgage
Bowjob: thats the canadian dream
Bowjob: everyone here is crazy about houses
Bowjob: my uncle owns 3, he gets about 8k a month on his houses
Bowjob: i didnt tell him about bitcoins.. hes too rich already
Anduck: (make him buy like, 200k usd worth of btc?"
Anduck: then slowwly sell it back and make negative profit
Bowjob: nah, hes a batshit religious person.. conservative
Bowjob: he wont touch btc anyway
Bowjob: i feel bad for his kid
Bowjob: his kid is like 18 now, cant go out
Anduck: what does that have to do with bitcoin?
Anduck: if he's religious batshit person
Anduck: he might still like btc xD
Anduck: batshit is a nice term, +1
Anduck: well tell his kid about it
Bowjob: when we arrived in canada
Bowjob: .. he gave us free rent
Bowjob: when we told him, we're not converting to your religion
Bowjob: he started charging us rent
Anduck: i would've laugh at him
Bowjob: its not really him tho
Anduck: whats his religion btc
Bowjob: protestant or something
Bowjob: thinks everyone will go to hell
Bowjob: protestant.. its like a branch of christianity
Bowjob: kinda like how catholic is bitcoin, then a protestant would be a fork of it
Bowjob: nah. hes not that batshit
Anduck: in finland there's 2 places where they recruit for that thing
Anduck: so, me and my friend once went there
Bowjob: theres one in vancouver too
Bowjob: not going in there. lol
Anduck: made some kind of test
Anduck: then they wanted us to be in separate rooms
Anduck: so they could turn ur individually to the scientology
Anduck: well, we ain't stupid so.. xD
Bowjob: they killed this chick
Anduck: didnt take much time to see they're scientologists
Anduck: btw, we went to that scientology recruiment place cuz we were handed a note in the city
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: Damn, and to think I thought I was gonna send him some BTC
Bowjob: I cleared a land mine. heh
Bowjob: He said he should have no problem paying unless BTC hits $40/BTC
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50 Short 40,000 S.DICE @ .0062 Cover date: May 17 2013 | Before 12Noon MST"
Bowjob: According to Ian's signature
Bowjob: he's gonna have a bad time
Bowjob: "I should have no problem repaying this as long as BTC stays bellow $41.66 ... if it goes above we would need to work something out for a bit more time to repay."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.86278, Best ask: 45.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03722, Last trade: 45.90000, 24 hour volume: 45521.41888267, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 45.90000, 24 hour vwap: 43.97923
Bowjob: I lent some $100 worth of BTC back in january for 3 weeks
Bowjob: that was some agonizing days
Bowjob: I didn't know if the guy was a scammer or not
Bowjob: .. i am not willing to put myself through that again
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90144085 = 901.4409 BTC [-]
Bowjob: lending out to someone with btc is similar to gambling imo
Bowjob: just put it thru dice, at least its faster
Bowjob: I told an acquiantance about BTC when they were 17 dollars, they were on the fence about it. They wanted to buy at 28 dollars, but got scared when the price dropped to $20
Bowjob: now that its $45.. they want to buy again
Bowjob: but never follow through
Bowjob: I told him hey, I think BTC will go up. I've put a bit of fiat in it to show my conviction
Bowjob: if BTC goes up, they say.. it's a fucking bubble! if BTC goes down.. "It's dying/fad/crash"
Bowjob: I told him I'll sell him $100 worth for 2 BTC. They wanted 5. They could have gotten 5+ from me back in Jan
Bowjob: I'm looking forward to the day that that guy still hasn't bought a coin where BTC reaches $1000
Bowjob: I'll be like, yeah I'll sell you $500 worth for 0.5 BTC, just remember it could go down, ect
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.90009169 = 900.0917 BTC [-]
Bowjob: it sucked for me canadianbitcoins sold at $55 dollars when BTC dropped to $33
Bowjob: I would have dumped more fiat into it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 375 @ 0.89918038 = 337.1926 BTC [-]
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
assbot: Your actions are useless.
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 46.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.50000, Best ask: 46.53000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 46.53000, 24 hour volume: 47202.58375913, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.53000, 24 hour vwap: 44.11301
gribble: There are currently 26201.882 bitcoins offered at or under 49.1 USD, worth 1266194.78506 USD in total. | Data vintage: 36.3364 seconds
Bowjob: check the price real time at coinlab
Chaang-Noi: i guess we are going to keep on trucking up
Bowjob: imo just drive the price up and dont sell
Bowjob: use BTC for transactions
Bowjob: .. that ends up being win win
Bowjob: as opposed to lose lose
Bowjob: where the seller gets fiat and the BTC value goes down
Bowjob: we're about to break 47
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.64600, Best ask: 46.74600, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 46.64600, 24 hour volume: 48033.54388684, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.16232
gribble: There are currently 1303.7427 bitcoins offered at or under 47.0 USD, worth 61254.5594943 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
Bowjob: mhm, i see lots of resistance before 50
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.22 = 2.2 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Id stay breaking $32 barrier was epic!
Anduck: it's funny mp has rated gigavps -10 and pirateat40 -1
Anduck: so huh, whats worse, running a ponzi or pt to ponzi?
Bowjob: and the dump continues
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 45.27000, Best ask: 45.28000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 45.26000, 24 hour volume: 49103.52015343, 24 hour low: 42.50000, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 44.22567
mircea_popescu: and then didn't want to update the rating out of vanity
Bowjob: coinlab should update their logo with the recent correction
kakobrekla: 21:28.00 ( MJR_ ) Mp still having trouble?
kakobrekla: 21:28.10 ( kakobrekla ) half way, see topic
kakobrekla: 21:28.27 .•• mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: this is actually fully functional, if a little inconvenient still
MJR_: Noticed S.DICE rebounded a little bit
kakobrekla: 21:22.48 ( kakobrekla ) "Only Satoshi the Bitcoin Cyber-Christ is going to save us." -Max Keiser
MJR_: Was wondering about an mpex.onion
MJR_: I think that guy is on meth before every show
MJR_: Yeah I was worried about that
Namworld: How do I encrypt with MPEx's public key?
MJR_: I am trying out a new irc client
Namworld: Ah, thanks. I keep forgetting how to write the command.
Namworld: I can't seem to find a good website that lists commands and common operations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00067638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
Anduck: mircea_popescu: porn not allowed on blog
mircea_popescu: 1. price collapse pre dividends ; 2. short rebound post dividends ; further rebound while mpex is beinh ddosed
mircea_popescu: if this is not contrary to what you'd expect i dunno what is
Anduck: it's the will of internet gods
MJR_: Lol, I thought we were the Internet gods
Anduck: LOL guys been trolled again
Anduck: srs, no. you cant hang out with them.
Anduck: dunno bout' dem goddesses
MJR_: mircea_popescu: Can you see the symbol between the quotes? "⚡"
MJR_: Was not sure if other symbols would be able to be seen
MJR_: I suppose it depends on the client
dub: hmm, could be my new truck
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell vampirebb the mpex inbound address will be linked to most mpex withdrawals. a user can withdraw to an arbitrary address of his choice.
mircea_popescu: jborkl you're doing something wrong because people have been trading ok on this system
jborkl: I am on my phone trying to get android to work
mircea_popescu: are you cleanly doing your encoding ? is your key correct ? (siometimes gpg defaults to wrong key, use a ! at the end of your keyid to force)
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: is the mpex FAQ somewhere available in a pastie or can it be included in an mpex client?
mircea_popescu: if you wish to include a local copy in a bundle you distribute, such as a client or anything
mircea_popescu: i want you to commit that all new versions will include a faq current at the time of their release.
MJR_: It should be complete as well
FabianB_: ok, in case i release my client to the public i'll include it in all releases; in case i don't maintain it anymore i'll make a release with FAQ removed with just a link to then current mpex site
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ if you don't maintain it anymore you're not in breach.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is to not ship client august 11th with faq from june 3rd
MJR_: If you neglect to keep the smoky dragon award
FabianB_: ok, that won't be a problem then
FabianB_: heh, yeah, just thought of the english one
FabianB_: dunno if i like to include chinese and persian as long as the clients documentation itself is just english
MJR_: Hmmm I think I am going to enter the WOT today
mircea_popescu: If we get the 60TH/s online (conservative) in late April, and the hashrate of the full network from that time is 200TH/s which linearly increases to 1,000TH/s in late December. (200+1000)/2 = 600. So we will have 10% in average of the full network from late April to late December. That translates to about 88,000 Bitcoins total mined. That is 0.22BTC/share of gross income in eight months.
mircea_popescu: so where's the "you get your money back in 8 months therefore asicminer is worth like .15" talk ?
MJR_: What do you think it's worth?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: that has no bearing however, idiots are in full mania mode, so,
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
MJR_: yeah, I think understanding net present value may be beyond some members of the bitcoin community
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90043 / 1 (167 shares, 150.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mircea_popescu: the fact that the bitcoindiots are reduced to < 1k btc disposable income is indeed good news.
mircea_popescu: one year ago this would have been two degrees of magnitude larger if not more.
jborkl: Mircea, are the orders formatted the same in!mp
mircea_popescu: you makr you order, you sign it, then you encrypt it, then you paste that
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
mircea_popescu: basically, it should take the provided string, see how many of the available mpsics regex-match it
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking about this, would it be possible to have a !depth
mircea_popescu: which reports say 6 or 8 items either side from midmarket ?
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
mircea_popescu: otherwise if you're trying to implement somethingthat doesn't work you'll kill yourself
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
jborkl: Let me try it off normal desktop
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
kakobrekla: if($ticker[0] == "P" || $ticker[0] == "C" ){
assbot: Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00550022 / 0.005884 (1651 shares, 9.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0061622 / 0.0069 (3739840 shares, 23,045.67 BTC)
kakobrekla: apparently being bitcoin pr is the new hype thing
kakobrekla: got hit with "the bitcoin catalog", "the bitcoin documentary" and "bitcoin pr buzz" in like one day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.47999, Best ask: 46.54400, Bid-ask spread: 0.06401, Last trade: 46.54400, 24 hour volume: 44070.26922702, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 46.99000, 24 hour vwap: 45.27764
MJR_: also the bitcoin hedge fund
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00568 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yeah but that doesnt have much in common with being a bitcoin PR
mircea_popescu: Our services involve writing a professional Press Release for you and submitting it to anywhere from over 1000 to 30 000 + USA based media organisations
Bowjob: ianbakewell is still not here