BingoBongo: I heard PrimeAsic, that 99% chance of scam is responsive to inquiries again...
jborkl: If you were a asshole scammer, you would probably run off with Nefario, Piratits, and the list goes on. I am not concerned if you are a asshole, that is not my problem
jborkl: people seem to get confused, you are one of the only ones that has not run away, yet they accuse you all the time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jborkl sometimes people say the things they most fear. it's a defense mechanism.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43500001 BTC [-]
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
dub: I can't take credit its from the forum
BingoBongo: Eh, I figured PrimeAsic blew their chance earlier this week. I'm having trouble figuring out if they are a well planned scam, troll, or both.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
jborkl: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 1000 BTC [+]
jurov: bitvps gets 2nd round
Eduard_Munteanu: Nothing important, I just wanted to peek at the options prices. Placing my overnight orders on mtgox...
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu mostly the open interest covered yest.
jborkl: I should have /nick but I didnt want people to really have a heart attack
jurov: we were making my vps accessible under another addy, suddenly mgmt froze again
mircea_popescu: oix : "7d": {"avg": "4713745617","min": "3024713516","max": "4853472885","vsh": "no","vsa": "2.62504497419E+12","cnt": ""}
jurov: yes, dispalyes quickly
Eduard_Munteanu: Some #mtgox op told me they've banned most of my provider (RDS).
mircea_popescu: i think more than just mpex, tis a test for bitcoins in general.
Eduard_Munteanu: Also, all those chart / live data services merely do client-side lookups through the mtgox API, it seems. Instead of caching and relaying data.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.24999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mtgox is suddenly getting DDoSed by that, not to mention the actual transactions.
jurov: blockchain up here
Eduard_Munteanu: Oh, well, I've placed my orders for the night, pretty conservative.
mircea_popescu: live data would not cache by the definition of the term
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 36 minutes and 4 seconds
mircea_popescu: yest i had txs lay stale for > 6 hours before being included in a block.
mircea_popescu: people were liek "o, your bitcoind is ddosed too ?" and i was like no dude, the tx is out since noon '/
benkay: same question as BingoBongo: are pools being ddosed as well?
jurov: so, phungus from bitvps blames me and he won't enable my vps access anymore
jurov: best time to withdraw everything and leave
jurov: mircea_popescu , will you let me?
jurov: sell&withdraw everything from coinbr acct
mircea_popescu: yes, but you have to consider if you sell right now you're hurting customers.
jurov: you didn't understand me.. i can now vanish with all customers funds
mircea_popescu: anyway, par for the course for "hosting" out there : sure we can do it sir! o you mean things actually need to be done ? sorry, pls go to somewhere else.
jurov: as so many ppl did
mircea_popescu: if you ask them they're hosting corps, offer things like unlimited bw.
mircea_popescu: tghen if you serve 500 pages in a day it's suddenly... we're only hosters if you don't get traffic.
jurov: and if you attract ddos, you must apologize.
mircea_popescu: anyway, their upstream/colo host prolly told them to not do it again or else get a real connection
jurov: but yeah, I do have recent enough coinbr backups and am not running away.
jurov: dunno if i should make me killer coffee and set it up or it can wait till tomorrow
jurov: mircea_popescu, how it looks on your side?
mircea_popescu: should be getting everything online today technically since it's almost 1am
mircea_popescu: but maybe get an account with a good ddos protected host.
mircea_popescu: because i tell you something, when they won't be able to take me down they'll harass you
mircea_popescu: and you have a much larger userbase crossection, you'll read plenty of shit in the forum
jurov: i know... hope i bought some time with amazon, plan to set up some load balancing there quickly
mircea_popescu: prolly your best path of action on a personal level is
jurov: heh okay.. if i manage to get asleep
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
jborkl: Mp or Jurov - are there a bunch of pending market orders to fill?
jurov: no, they are filled normally - see live.coinbr.com
jborkl: all of the coinbr are down for me and have been
jurov: jborkl, prolly stale DNS entries
jurov: same problem here, my isp insists caching them, had to change dns server
jurov: and mpex. and live. did not have dns expiration so they linger up pointing to bitvps
BingoBongo: 224744 2 minutes 443 25.33651677 BTC Deepbit 249kb; 224743 4 minutes 581 25.48650003 BTC 199.101.100.218 243kb
BingoBongo: Barely more than the block reward in transactions and nearly a quarter megabyte each
BingoBongo: And these big barely more than 25 BTC blocks continue...
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 12 seconds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: how goes the botting? :)
BitHub: Hey, anyone seen Namworld around?
BitHub: ahh man i really shouldn't use this thing when i first wake up
BitHub: thanks mircea, how are you by the way?
Namworld: I'm here now. What do you need?
Namworld: Did you get any demand for fees to stop the DDoS yet??
Namworld: Or is the DDoS done out of spite or something
Namworld: I need to go in and make a deposit/trade
Namworld: Can you take manual deposits for now?
BitHub: meanwhile btcjam goes on
Namworld: No one cares about BTCjam... that's why
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.005979 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
mod6: 6 blocks mined in 17 minutes?!
mod6: its like faaaasst, then sloooow
smickles: mod6 I've heard that randomness is clumsy
mod6: it is strange though... its like they kick up the ASCIs and grab a few blocks then turn 'em down to keep the difficulty in check?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.00899 = 0.0809 BTC [+]
mod6: im not sure wtf is goin on
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4749519.86453 based on data since last change | 4759411.19664 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.08999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
benkay: may i please have user name for mpex socket?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00899 = 0.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.009 = 0.9 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 20 seconds
Bowjob: mp is your trolling SA contest still up for grabs?
Bowjob: im trolling gfaqs with coins as practice.. still training
mircea_popescu: lol remember when i used to pay .5 btc for an account there
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 389 @ 0.0007 = 0.2723 BTC [-]
Bowjob: someone gambled 17 BTC to S.Dice with their Mt gox account
Bowjob: it seems the gamble won..
Bowjob: but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
Bowjob: so the gambler is SOL it seems
Bowjob: maybe that guy was angle shooting
Bowjob: saying he accidentally sent it to dice instead of his account
Bowjob: so erik would refund him
Bowjob: the same thing happened to this dude back then in dec, lost 50 btc
sgornick: Bowjob: There's someone on the forum just claiming 21 lost that way.
Bowjob: yeah were tlking about the same guy
Bowjob: he bet 17, won it.. but then the money got sent to mt gox
sgornick: > but theres no way to tel from which account it came from...
sgornick: You mean to which Mt. Gox account it went.
sgornick: Well, Mt Gox can tell. They have better things to do than track down mistakenly made SD payments though.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.38580, Best ask: 42.39209, Bid-ask spread: 0.00629, Last trade: 42.39209, 24 hour volume: 118703.21738512, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.39283
mircea_popescu: hey, is it the guy who misidentified someone else's bet on bitbet as his own and rose hell here a few days ago ?
BingoBongo: If only I could reread that post on Trilema...
BingoBongo: I actually came on here today because i was wondering why I couldn't ready your classic on the housing crisis.
BingoBongo: Thanks. Have you though about just storing a copy of the Trilema archive in the namecoin blockchain. I don't think they'd mind.
mircea_popescu: you know trilema is like 7k articles, over 10mb of plaintext
mod6: lol oh yeah JimRogers
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.70000, Best ask: 42.81500, Bid-ask spread: 0.11500, Last trade: 42.78384, 24 hour volume: 114078.83449030, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.60795
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4755826.83674 based on data since last change | 4747165.78694 based on data for last three days
gribble: There are currently 111370.77 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 9613421.27709 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0052 seconds
BingoBongo: Sell orders about trippled since the last time I asked that...
Bowjob: wait till they hit 10k
gribble: There are currently 115133.36 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 17157717.7085 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0056 seconds
Namworld: as price go up, people tend to start putting money in the way.
gribble: There are currently 98810.011 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 5632319.28639 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds
Namworld: So no manual deposit I get it...
Namworld: anyway, MPEx will be getting an upgrade too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.75902, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.22449, Last trade: 41.75902, 24 hour volume: 112921.07904056, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.64678
Bowjob: oh no. we are crashing again
Namworld: But you'll see there's an updating message.
Namworld: Why would price madly like that and stay like that?
jcpham: i'm gona have to say bitcoin
Namworld: Wrong answer... that's the answer to why it raised, not why it would stay like that.
BingoBongo: You'd be surprised Namworld the things that Dunning-Kruger can explain. It's like the new Goodwin, but for the Slate crowd.
Namworld: What does Dunning-Kruger has to do with it?
Namworld: Everyone thinks they're skilled because they buy BTC higher and higher because it keeps going higher and higher?
BingoBongo: It's why we could hit 10,000. Coinlab biting off more than they can chew and somehow instead of a flash crash we get a flash rally when they are hacked. Also yes your second point.
BingoBongo: A combination of the two could probably make a new normal though.
Chilca: thanks, is there any status of the DDOS?
Namworld: I bet after it all settles, people who kept buying will be apoplectic with explanations and sound just like people after the dotcom bubble...
dub: Chilca: sounds like it is ongoing but mpex has now been taken offline for upgrades
jborkl_: Bitcoin chart reminds me of silver chart,just compressed
Namworld: MPEx is a bit late on schedule for the upgrades
dub: its actually 3pm on teh 8th
dub: in the earliest TZ anyway
Namworld: Honestly, with upgrades, it's always hard to estimate.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 41.80100, Best ask: 41.98351, Bid-ask spread: 0.18251, Last trade: 41.91771, 24 hour volume: 109127.80902302, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.65552
Namworld: Can take twice or half the time or more.
mircea_popescu: anyweay, the first irc bot should be around in a few hours i think
reddddd: @CoinBr What's the point of having a support forum if you're not going to use it more major stuff like this?
dub: you can get to coinbr?
dub: oh bitcoinforum.com, good point
reddddd: CoinBr also seems to have a twitter account that could have used an update. There are so many better ways to let customers know what the hell is going on than just IRC.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you'll be able to go something like #post blabla and the bot will answer with an url to a pastebin with your response.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.444 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.440001 = 1.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44000006 = 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.5 = 10 BTC [+]
dub: novels are being written to explain how fees work to a novice
dub: the simple answer is bitcoin is stupid wrt fees
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.62827, Best ask: 42.79000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16173, Last trade: 42.80000, 24 hour volume: 104745.97636275, 24 hour low: 36.00000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 42.61786
mircea_popescu: "Pimples can be treated by various acne medications prescribed by a dermatologist, or purchased at a drug store with a wide variety of treatments."
BingoBongo: You know medicine is fucked when leukemia is easier to treat than pimples.
mircea_popescu: you know, back 300 years ago when the encyclopedists came up with the first one, it was a monument of erudition
Diablo-D3: modern medicine refuses to accept the treatment because they can't charge obscene amounts of money for it
Diablo-D3: take high doses of omega 6 for the rest of your life.
BingoBongo: My french isn't good enough to make an informed opinion on Diderot's
Diablo-D3: not only does it cure pimples, it cures and lessens lots of other things
BingoBongo: Leukemia is easy to treat too. Eat a bunch of methotrexate and live.
Diablo-D3: through in 5000 IU of vitamin D daily, and you'll probably add another ten years to your life
mircea_popescu: im willing to go on a limb and say you'll get my point
BingoBongo: What am I reading from again, Retardo-wiki'wiki'wiki'wha?
BingoBongo: Rubeta: a poison derived from the juice of a frog. Juvenal wrote of a lady who mingled this kind of poison in wine and presented it to her husband
BingoBongo: What little french I've read mircea_popescu has been at least 200 years newer
BitHub: almost time for teh weekend
mircea_popescu: Ce qu'on appelle bonheur, est une idée abstraite, composée de quelques idées de plaisir ; car qui n'a qu'un moment de plaisir n'est point un homme heureux ; de même qu'un moment de douleur ne fait point un homme malheureux. Le plaisir est plus rapide que le bonheur, & le bonheur plus passager que la félicité. Quand on dit je suis heureux dans ce moment, on abuse du mot, & cela ne veut dire que j'ai du plaisir : q
mircea_popescu: uand on a des plaisirs un peu répétés, on peut dans cet espace de tems se dire heureux ; quand ce bonheur dure un peu plus, c'est un état de félicité ; on est quelquefois bien loin d'être heureux dans la prospérité, comme un malade dégoûté ne mange rien d'un grand festin préparé pour lui.
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it isn't that unlike James
BitHub: mircea coming to australia this weekend?
BingoBongo: William James, one of maybe three Americans introspective enough about the pecuiar brand of manic misery here to approach a reasonble target for a philosopher
BitHub: where the bloody hell are ya
BitHub: lets go visit kimdotcom i'm bored
mircea_popescu: call the bank ready to bite their head off for being idiots
BitHub: seems odd when someone else says it
BitHub: being a bunch of cunty's?
mircea_popescu: i mean, bitcoin transactions taking 6 hours ? okay. its some internet funny money nobody heard about.
mircea_popescu: but when my banker has to tell me he failed because the wire system is down...
BitHub: i had to sit a cafe for 6 hours just to wait for 1 confirm
mod6: (20:09) < BitHub> DEATH TO SD
BitHub: i didn't care before till i had to start waiting hours and hours and hours for 1 confirm
mod6: ahh, successfull troll 9/10
mod6: this stuff about SD is getting out of hand
jcpham: i don't care so much about SD
jcpham: if txns aren't going through that's a problem
jcpham: a problem i think miners should capitalize on
jcpham: i'm not sure how though
jcpham: if SD wants its blocks mined it needs to pay a toll
jcpham: it needs a pool in its pocket
topace_: how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ?
jcpham: that's why i pay a fee on my txns, because i want them to go through
jcpham: specialized pools should crop up soon
mod6: what is going on...
BitHub: so you mean just a mining farm just for SD transactions?
mod6: so tx's are not being processed at all?
jcpham: in some cases they are backing up because of the 250kb block limit
jcpham: luke-jr and others primarily blame this on SD
jcpham: and then some say the devs should all hold hands and increase it
BingoBongo: I blame bitvisitor. At least some SD transactions carry appreciable amunts of bitcoins.
mod6: yeah, read about that shit earlier...
mod6: today has been insane even outside of btc today, hard to keep up
mod6: so basically btc is fucked
BingoBongo: Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet
mod6: if they move up to 1Mb that buys them some time, but isn't any different then what the global central banks are doing
jcpham: the "SD is spam" idea has traction
mod6: yeah, looks like it
jcpham: At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
jcpham: network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
jcpham: specialists with server farms of specialized hardware. A server farm would
jcpham: only need to have one node on the network and the rest of the LAN connects with
jcpham: assume we're close to the point of full node/ merkle nodes
jcpham: what happens to SD if pools or full nodes implement that patch
Diablo-D3: bitcoin will just shove SD tx out because they don't pay fees
BitHub: i got so angry i sold over 1000 sdice shares for whatever the fuck price, something cheap and nasty
jcpham: not enough beer. my apologies
mod6: i'm gonna guess they will cut SD out, and then SD will just pay fees and maybe raise betting levels?
mod6: there was talk about raising min fee to .01 or something, but that doesn't give incentive to not use anything else gay like PP
mod6: now, see, i thought that EV kept sayin how he pays fee's and the miners are getting rich off the fee's alone...
mod6: ala, something like `SD has paid more in fee's than all the rest of the tx's combined'... must find link...
mpexbot: smickles: Error: "coin" is not a valid command.
mod6: so i think that SD pays the fee's which is what got me so worked up this morning reading all of Luke-jr's crusade to rid the world of SD
mod6: but the blocksize thing is a seperate problem.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBongo> Btc is only fucked in the sense it is having fun getting its dick wet << this.
mircea_popescu: <topace_> how goes the mpex upgrades/"overhaul" ? << the mpexbot just showed up
mpexbot: BingoBongo: Error: "OIX" is not a valid command.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "dix" is not a valid command.
doctor_pullfingr: can we speculate that the ddos against mpex is retaliation for SD spam?
mircea_popescu: lol i don't think luke has the resources for something like this.
BitHub: what's the price of SD now?
BitHub: wonder if its gone down a bit
BitHub: not like yesterday when everyone thought mpex was done for hey
BingoBongo: Luke has too well developed though weird sense of ethics for a DDOS
jcpham: that message thread may wind up framed in the luvre or some shit
BitHub: yeah remember mircea everyone in otc was panicing
jcpham: mircea_popescu you should partake in -otc for a bit
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it didn't get more traction, should be a cult classic.
jcpham: channel needs desperately to be +m
BitHub: are you sure he's in that movie mircea?
mircea_popescu: he plays a tax accountant for the state of florida lol
BitHub: ahh search not seek :P
jcpham: i just realized the other day that mario puzo did superman
jcpham: the original screenplay
BitHub: nice same guy as godfather
jcpham: and jor-el is the fucking godfather
BitHub: ahh yeah that's right he did play jor-el
jcpham: do you think when they were filming the godfather and made money
jcpham: marlon brando was like
jcpham: you know i'd really like to be superman
BitHub: fuck man how good was marlon brando
jcpham: and that was as close as he came to it
mircea_popescu: jcpham do you know the one where marlon brando went like... hey, i'd like to rape this 19 yo
jcpham: hrm sounds questionably legal
maximian: These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade…
mircea_popescu: became like, a feminist and everything. total tableau.
mircea_popescu: maximian tell you something : if morons are gonna kills anything then fuck that anything.
BingoBongo: The anti-SD crusade isn't going to kill bitcoin. The crusaders are more people who liberated their bitcoins by freeing them into S.Dice's arms. Probably... except for Luke.
maximian: the problem is their little "SD is spam" meme is starting to spread
mod6: (20:48) < maximian> These morons are gonna kill Bitcoin with this anti-SD crusade... <<< this
BitHub: the coolest thing about brando was when he sent an indian woman to collect his oscar for his role in the godfather
mircea_popescu: maximian mod6 people fail to realise this, but there's a good reason and great strategic advantage in the girl's fuck you attitude.
mod6: (20:46) <+mod6> "First, SD has paid more mining fees than everyone else in the world, combined." << Is this a lie?
mod6: (20:46) <+Luke-Jr> mod6: yes
BitHub: oh yeah i remember this movie
BitHub: it was pretty friggen psycho
mircea_popescu: no meme spreads past the point where someone's holding a club
mircea_popescu: mod6 the guy's insane, sd paid like 55% of all fees ever paid
maximian: DailyAnarchist put it right it a bitcointalk thread: if nobody knew what the source of these "spam" transactions were, then the discussion would be about how to improve the system to handle more transactions. The fact that the crusaders know these transactions are from SatoshiDice has clouded their judgement.
mod6: mircea_popescu: im /nearly/ at a loss for words.
BitHub: but even if he did, meh that's his personal life, still the best actor
mircea_popescu: it's simple drama. some people who mean very little started to notice.
mircea_popescu: and are trying to inject themselves into the public eye
mircea_popescu: how is that accomplished ? why, crusade for "the betterment".
mircea_popescu: the thing is... unlike fiat that shit doesn't work here.
BitHub: he gave me a pretty lulz neg review
mircea_popescu: at any rate, drama backs bitcoin, so, all this is good.
mod6: BitHub: and you're on Luke-jr's side?!?!?
maximian: it raises my hackles, I tell you! :)
BitHub: heh i'm not on his side
BitHub: but i do have beef with sdice atm
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha drama is right. BTC has more drama than Lifetime Channel.
mircea_popescu: mod6 imagine how it'll be when women finally discover it.
mircea_popescu: otc made out of ~100 middle aged women with nothing better to do
BingoBongo: bitcoin-assets we've taken the family car apart six times today just to get some quiet time
mod6: (20:54) < jcpham> luke-jr if you don't stfu about SD i'm going to burn your church down
mod6: (20:54) <+Luke-Jr> jcpham: I'll be there to shoot you when you try.
mod6: (20:55) < jcpham> :)
mod6: (20:55) <+mod6> wwjd
BingoBongo: Rome isn't it? He's catholic his local stuff doesn't matter. I just wonder which of the BitBet pope bets are his.
doctor_pullfingr: GoDaddy got semi famous off the savetoby controversy. Then got really famous off the Superbowl controversy. I think S.Dice should milk this controversy for everything it's got. shout S.Dice is spam from the mountaintops
mod6: (20:58) <+Luke-Jr> anyhow, I was just trying to get a feel for how many people would run a counter-SD client if I take the time to write the code
mod6: this is like his own fork isn't it?
maximian: evoorhees should reinvest his profits into a massive mining pool - that's probably the surest way to make the crusaders irrelevant.
mod6: i mean he's not saying that, but thats what it is.
mircea_popescu: maximian at this point in the game it's the surest way to go bankrupt.
Luke-Jr: maximian: the surest way is to stop flooding and implement SD properly
mod6: Luke-Jr: what you're proposing is a hard fork of the blockchain right?
mircea_popescu: mod6 so he starts his own client, what's the big deal ?
Luke-Jr: heck, I'd even offer to do it for him except my stupid State has laws against writing code for gambling -.-
mod6: ok. i don't care if he starts his own client.
mircea_popescu: face facts : sooner or later Luke-Jr will end up in a little corner playing with some correct toys nobody cares about
mod6: as long as everyone else figures out how to solve the block size issue.
BitHub: laws against writing code?
maximian: If you didn't know the origin of the transactions, what would you say?
mod6: SD is another problem
mod6: but... whatever. they're two seperate topics
BitHub: Luke so you could fly to mexico and be all sweet?
Luke-Jr: why the USA has such a big problem with gambling, I'll probably never understand
mod6: what if SD wasnt a gaming site?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm not interested in relocation to Mexico.
BitHub: so online gambling is illegal but guns is sweet? haha
mod6: what if it was just some random tx's from the same host that paid the fee's?
mod6: would you say the same thing?
BitHub: Luke-Jr ya i know was thinking if you spent a week there adn wrote the code, would that be legal?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I don't care how it's financed
BitHub: hmm i think you would get away with it :)
mod6: Luke-Jr: ok. so what happens when there are 1,000,000 bitcoin users and they all create 5 new tx's per day.
mod6: what then? we just shut the fucking doors and go home?
mod6: christ on a pony this is idiotic
Luke-Jr: mod6: no, that's far less than SD does
mod6: you're saying that SD does more than 5 million tx's per day?
Luke-Jr: mod6: I'm saying adoption matters.
Luke-Jr: 1,000,000 nodes can handle 5 mil txs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.446 = 2.23 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: with the current broken bitcoin-qt there will never, ever, no matter what be 1mn nodes.
mod6: Luke-Jr: yes, adoption matters, you know what I have guys download? something for their android
mod6: not the full client.
mod6: i don't want them to wait 3 days
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: 1,000,000 users also brings a number more developers onboard
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr what the fuck are you thinking this is, chicken lay eggs ?
Luke-Jr: mod6: eventually, Bitcoin-Qt will be instant-on
mircea_popescu: herpderp joe sixpack becomes a dev if you aggregate 5000 of them !?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for adoption to scale right now is to fix the motherfucking client.
mircea_popescu: actually it may be the worst piece of crap ever used by this many people.
mod6: so you're gonna make your own client, that'll have your branch (exclusion of '1dice') in there native?
mircea_popescu: simple illustrative point : i can pick a torrent worth 7gb right now, anything with less than 20 seeders
mircea_popescu: this means blockchain MUST be downloaded in 15 minutes tops.
mod6: yeah, torrents are uber fast
mircea_popescu: until the point that's the case none of you people have any business eating even.
mircea_popescu: forget having oppinions. just tap the kbd till it does it.
jcpham: lots of info for SD investors to speculate on
mod6: vote with your coins!
jcpham: i think this entire chat would be insider trading somehow
jcpham: now all we have to do is collude
jcpham: you would think, but...
Bowjob: mhm anyone think bfl wont deliver by april?
BitHub: deliver you a big box with a letter inside it asking for money money
BingoBongo: I bet they might, BitCOin's just playmoney anyway
mod6: are tx's going through though?
BingoBongo: Blockchain saw it... Let's see if it confirms...
BingoBongo: You're welcome. It's one of those World Baseball Classic penny bets, because apparently that didn't have enough chutzpah to attract much interest. I've had too much vodka tonight to mess with the python script so I don't know at this weight if I will clear anything, but fuck it. Bitcoin is an MMORPG and that's what I'm telling the 5-0
SpNg: hey mircea_popescu I have been out of the loop the last couple days. What's going on with MPEx? I see that it's down right now.
BingoBongo: Bitcoin is a drama role playing game and it just so happens the tokens to play the game happen to be valued quite a bit. Like WoW gold.
mod6: im starting to think the same thing. like fast-times-at-btc-high.
BitHub: an expensive game of emotions
mircea_popescu: there's a forum post the girl made summing up everything
SpNg: mircea_popescu: seriously? wtf? you have a link to the post?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, god knows i'm well loved and i can't think of anyone or anything that'd have it in for me.
BingoBongo: Maybe Coinlab, You just debuted that OIX thing that kind of threatened to replace MT Gox spot... Though you presented it more modestly.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh... what diff would it make to anyone if its gox spot or oix or a random number coming out of a hat.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's the consensus it's as good as any other, for a service provider.
BingoBongo: I mean the girl's been hammering the Gox is dead mantra and some noobs seem to be trusting her for a change. You might have survived the game long enough that people start to assume you're legit.
mod6: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
mod6: that's been a while now, longer than most of us
BingoBongo: The Coinlab buying Gox's USD book threatens Gox's sustainability angle
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo im not even sure they seriously want the #1 spot.
BitHub: they're are many peeps many working on ways for americans to get around coinlab into gox
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 16 seconds
BitHub: i think you'll see a lil bump but gox should be okey :)
BingoBongo: I dunno yCombinator has all of that renting apartments out to methheads money Mircea, it was probably either bought, hyped, or humiliated. I don't think Gox was forced, but I say this with a low degree of confidence.
BingoBongo: BitHub I trust it will be smooth, but the newbs opions shape the shouting
BingoBongo: Coinlab probably though it was a bargain
mircea_popescu: after the french fiasco they certainly didn't feel the need for a replay, so.
mircea_popescu: it's a win-win : the noobs get bragging rights (which they don't know how to use, but hey, youth), mtgox gets out of some stick.
mircea_popescu: the us public becomes even more underserved, isolated, ghettoized
BingoBongo: Gox never really had the staff or skill to handle the low information customers
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's some lessons being learned here. everyone wants to be more like mpex.
BitHub: be nice is there was something just as big or popular as mtgox
BitHub: not good to depend just on mtgox?
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, the net result of mtgox's however we call it, incompetence, being stretched too thin
BingoBongo: ANd that's the crucial difference from 2011
mircea_popescu: they have been bleeding market share month by month by month. by now i wouldn't even bet they do a third.
mircea_popescu: this of course becomes problematic for pricing options.
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
mod6: hardy fuckin har miners
BitHub: so is mpex going to do its own gox? :D
mircea_popescu: And thus it came to pass that the splendid son of bright-minded Keleos,
mod6: cross your fingers and pray to dog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4999988 BTC [+]
BitHub: and that's stopped you before?
mod6: this next block should be sizeable
BitHub: its such a good word, i use it for slang all the time
mod6: but its a 250k limit so the joke's on me LOL
mircea_popescu: i never understood how that 250k limit got to be there
BingoBongo: mod6 I would bet my bet makes it in this next block...
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, that seems pretty strange to me now.
mircea_popescu: recently i discovered the way bitcoind works is all quirky and based on assumptive limitations like that.
mod6: do you believe there should be a block size limit at all?
BingoBongo: Another point for SD over most miners, BitcoinJ isn't as poorly coded as BitcoinD
mod6: oh... it seems to me that if 1 billion people send 1 satoshi in 5 years, it could be a 10gb block... who cares, process it
mod6: maybe im just retarded
mod6: i have been hit in the head a lot :S
mircea_popescu: mod6 the problem here tho is that bitcoin as it is is bitcoin as it is.
mircea_popescu: if i get married to you on the understanding that you always wear red underwear
mircea_popescu: as stupid as that may turn out to be, it's still in the fucking contract
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu it still follows many of the arbitrary limits (because bitcoind), but the code organization is much better. Kind of sad because well, Java.
mod6: right, so yeah, they wrote it in, no going back.
mircea_popescu: now, the only way to change something like that is the way gavin proposed it
mircea_popescu: ie, "let they who have anything to lose decide where it should be"
mircea_popescu: they who have anything to lose are, of course, the miners. so a system where miners vote somehow on standard block size may be a replacement, maybe.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo ya srsly. why the fuck do these people make these choices.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a bad idea for coders to be allowed to chose their language.
mod6: na, gotta be able to pick the right tool for the job... but that doesn't always mean that the guy will make the best choice
mod6: i can still use a butter knife as a screwdriver
mod6: but its not best... im just retarded
BingoBongo: WordPress and a watch only wallet powered by ArmoryD is probably how I'd write a bitcoin site if I had to.
mod6: yeah, wow. im blown away by some of this. how did I not zero in on these things?
mod6: its like punching myself in the dick
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 42.50000, Best ask: 42.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 42.50000, 24 hour volume: 78229.70545564, 24 hour low: 40.11000, 24 hour high: 45.50000, 24 hour vwap: 43.23642
BingoBongo: Honestly the miners'll probably roll with whatever, making the margins work is their business. Let the pool operators cap block sizes and open up the daemon for everyone else.
BingoBongo: mod6 the bet made it in, miracle what a decent transaction fee can do
mircea_popescu: for the other, security strictly depends on the block being finite.
BingoBongo: pragmatism will lead miners to cap the size of their own blocks unless they want to birth hydrocephalitic orphans
mod6: right, well i guess you dont want people putting in the wayback machine into the blockchain...
BingoBongo: mod6 and it is the first one. BitBet shows the bet as registered as well
mod6: yeah they're a bunch of Fascists
mod6: hitler was against very against smoking too
mircea_popescu: "Maybe some quota-filling cop thinks you look like a whore."
BingoBongo: Eh, take Canthaxanthin for a few months and walk around New York, some Cop will grab a real good feel.
mod6: BingoBongo: 2 confs now...
mod6: so at least with your .0025 fee, that was good enough
BingoBongo: mod6 It has been my standard fee for about a month now. I'm not patient enough to send with less.
BingoBongo: Even on small transactions it is cheaper than a wire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00072776 = 5.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00075 = 3.8625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.96000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24998 BTC [-]
Rick__: When will you fix MPEx
ZedsterX: I just got up to having my comp hacked....so what is your sitch now MP?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
ZedsterX: anyone else in the channel have problem with attacks on their comp last night?
mircea_popescu: ok so! what you folks see here is a historical moment.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
smickles: for watever reason mpexbot's pro pastebin feature of posting >25 posts per day hasn't been enabled yet
mircea_popescu: Rick__ it is a method of talking to mpex that can not be ddosed
mircea_popescu: now, mpex infrastructure is being upgraded, and it will be back sometime today.
Rick__: so many computer things that I dont understand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1337 @ 0.00075 = 1.0028 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok so, im closing the ordering now, because i don't want inconsistencies. this is all testnet stuff.
BitHub: is it hard to make a ticker from your api mircea?
mircea_popescu: worst case scenario just moved to "if 10 Gb pipe isn't enough to stop ddos, we just trade via mpexbot"
mircea_popescu: BitHub not really an api but still, i don't think so, it's all json after all.
BitHub: okey, hopefully i can feature a mpex ticker on my site soon, if its okey with you of course
Rick__: so what's the s.dice price now?
Rick__: what command can I use to check the price
mircea_popescu: Rick__ the price hasn't appreciably changed since trade has been locked for the past ~12 hours
assbot: [BTCT:GSDPT] 1D: 0.00596 / 0.00599 / 0.00599 (92 shares, 0.6 BTC), 7D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.0065 (28529 shares, 177.2 BTC), 30D: 0.00261 / 0.00621 / 0.00687 (139940 shares, 868.7 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.41510000 / 0.4566318 / 0.51000000 (197 shares, 89.95646538 BTC), 7D: 0.37000000 / 0.55221757 / 0.68700000 (1696 shares, 936.56099770 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.63685913 / 0.76500000 (8993 shares, 5727.27416254 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.4999988 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4999988 = 2.5 BTC [+]
Bowjob: shoulda bought some dice shares
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
maximian: last s.dice trade on mpex was something like 0.0058
ZedsterX: gotta be in for the long haul and ho-pe or dump
deadweasel: what should I do with 1600 shares on bitfunder?
BitHub: i doubt s.dice will be here for the long run
BitHub: i would dump and pump into jah mining and collect daily divs
BitHub: that's what i been doin
maximian: I wouldn't be so sure about that. S.dice is more than just a dice game, it's a brand
deadweasel: i had some jah, was good, but I can't get rid of these sdice. bought at .55 sold at 75, then bought back in at .6 cos I'm still learning, that's why
BitHub: just get rid of them all deadweasel
BitHub: and pump it into jah, anything you'll loose you'll make up in the dail divs
deadweasel: if they are 58 on mpex, know anybody who wants them at .55!
maximian: yes, building brand awareness is expensive. the value of s.dice's brand awareness justifies the stock price alone.
deadweasel: yeah, i'm going for divs only stocks these days. sdice may not make it to the next divs, as it is. the brand may make it through w/out the assets
maximian: Some big gaming concern is probably going to come in and scoop up s.dice
BitHub: the core of the community hates S.DICE
maximian: An acquisition would be a great exit for all investors
maximian: That's not true - some of the core devs, not all
BitHub: we just had a 5 hour tango convo about this before
maximian: There are enough mining pools who will always confirm s.dice transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 39 @ 0.5 = 19.5 BTC [+]
BitHub: its been a good day, have you seen all the giveaways on otc?
BitHub: i even got in on the action
BitHub: gave away some btc for twitter followers heh
deadweasel: that's good business right now. +1s and followers and likes
ZedsterX: jah mining is on MPEX? I have never seen this or is it called something else
deadweasel: bitpride is going to do the same thing as sdice?
BitHub: yep when i eventually get into full marketing mode i'll pay offering btc tips for peeps who paste their address to me on twitter or fb
BitHub: better than fb's advertising system
deadweasel: you should automate it --- mechanical turk for likes.
BitHub: but the coding, programming stuff, me doing it? is like getting the janitor to fly the airplane
deadweasel: spend some time to interview local college kids for an 'internship'. orjust pay them shit
BitHub: lul i'm paying a few programmers on here atm, slowly
deadweasel: until you get bigger then hire a better coder and scrap and redo
deadweasel: srsly though, expectations of bitpride?
BitHub: um bitpride i was looking at those shares but felt a bit shy
ZedsterX: Namworld: thx so where is it listed?
BitHub: its cool its something different but i dont know
Namworld: I got a few shares for the heck of it.
deadweasel: i'd just rather have my btc going up than my shares going down.
BitHub: is jah the only onepaying daily divs on BF?
BitHub: everyone else is weekly or monthly yeah?
maximian: I like the idea… but what if pastebin gets DDoS'd?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
mircea_popescu: maximian it's temporary tho. they've not credited the acct to pro status yet
BitHub: is it really hard to combat it?
BitHub: or just really expensive?
mircea_popescu: mpex is pretty much the only thing that even has a prayer at it, but otherwise... nope.
mircea_popescu: they ARE expensive to do tho, so in a sense a self limiting condition
Rick__: when will be the new version of bitvps's website on?
BitHub: any idea who's behind it?
Rick__: I have been waiting the new bitvps for a month
Bowjob: " * Show your support in asking the MPOE exchange where the S.DICE security is located, to de-list the security until the problem is addressed."
BitHub: free membership and 5btc to whoever finds
Bowjob: guys a huge dump is happening
maximian: that misterbigg guy is a little slow
Bowjob: just increase the min bet
mircea_popescu: maximian he;s a funny guy. he was active in the s.dice thread back in august
Bowjob: 0.1 BTC per bet or gtfo
maximian: hehheh…I wonder why he bothers
Bowjob: well, it took like over an hour to confirm my tx last night
Bowjob: imo we need a compromise. this blockchain bloat is annoying
deadweasel: can i push from bitfunder to havelock?
Bowjob: how about increasing the min bet on all dice games
deadweasel: i like that idea, until BTC is worth $100, 1000
BitHub: it wouldn't be that hard to get s.dice shut down
BitHub: they're based in usa right?
deadweasel: I think Sdice needs to handle the issue on their end, do their own gambling fork.
maximian: I do like all this s.dice exposure… being talked about is what keeps it on top
BitHub: yeah its good pr for sure
deadweasel: anyway, how could I get my SDICE from bitfunder to havelock?
Namworld: They could easily take bitcoin deposits and have a fork for the sole purpose of calculating lucky numbers, nay?
BitHub: i just hope s.dice pays taxes
Namworld: giving a fork balance that can be cashed out... inconvenient tho
deadweasel: yeah, i don't know. I have no solutions. just shrinking asset value.
smickles: gaaw, wtf are these people on about, do the really thing some script,ajax heavy site would do better against a sustained ddos than a few <tr> tags?
Bowjob: the dice share holders will be opposed to delisting their shares
smickles: people like that mrbig and such
mircea_popescu: smickles the stupid want everything remade in their image
mircea_popescu: that such nonsense would require throwing away the edges doesn't worry them : they don't know what those are anyway
smickles: srsly, that was what I came back to when i went to the forum for the first time in a while
Bowjob: the tx fees are there on top of the house edge yeah
smickles: and all the chuckleheads talking about raising the blocksize
mircea_popescu: now imagine how bitcoin would work if it were you know... like fiat
mircea_popescu: it's kind of interesting how this all worked out btw. the -otc and forum, home of the unwashed masses, all revolutionary and shit. the -assets, where the landed gentry naturally gathers, all conservative.
mircea_popescu: apparently all political history is contained within people themselves.
BitHub: so we're making history right now?
BitHub: yeh but none of it really matters
BitHub: especially before the internet was born, real pointless stuff
BitHub: i've liked how things have played out so far but are we about to see a real dark turn in the road?
OneMiner: The whole issue is wildly overblown. Some extra action will be taken to penalize spammy transactions and the blocksize always had to go up at some point. Not right now though, I think.
maximian: the issue is very polarizing for some reason
OneMiner: It's all the anarchists railing about the injustice (nay TYRANNY) of the concept that the blockchain shouldn't contain an unlimited amount of garbage.
OneMiner: Bah, I need to stop phrasing it that way. I'm not doing any good with this noise.
maximian: unlimited garbage is a problem, and needs to be dealt with
OneMiner: It will be worked out, I'm sure people will be upset for a while. But when the sun rises the next day things will look brighter.
maximian: the drama is compelling, hence the topic goes on and on
mircea_popescu: selecting what is garbage is an overstretch of the licenses granted.
OneMiner: We feed on it right? Here we are trying to adopt a new currency, pretty much out of the blue. Right away we are overly invested relative to the rest of the world. We are all a bit nutty.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the president don't have that authority.
OneMiner: mircea_popescu Except in this case we do have the authority. It's a collective as opposed to unilateral action.
OneMiner: We all choose which clients to run right? There's the vote right there.
mircea_popescu: unless you get your subject to agree with you, there's no basis.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 26 @ 0.5 = 13 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if it actually was solvable that way therer wouldn't be all the whining.
mircea_popescu: the problem is tghat there's no problem, and random selection of idiots are trying to manufacture one for poluitical reasons.
OneMiner: Well... It WILL be solved that way and there STILL will be whining.
OneMiner: It's ok though. The alt coins proove that there is no absolute authority. Miners each have a choice of what transactions to include, the world keep turning.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, because in real world politics people consider the media's focusing on margianl nonissues as signs of some sort of conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: yet in bitcoin there's no media, and yet in bitcoin people focus on marginal nonissues instead of facing the hard stuff. like fixing the damned client.
OneMiner: Cool. I just wanted to pop in with that PSA, the topic is on everybodies mind. :P I've been speaking about this all day. I'm going to bed. :)
Namworld: Damn... MPEx needs to come back up. I want to put some orders in =/
OneMiner: I don't hold their views against them. The details do matter. Maybe it's the need for sleep but I can sympathize to a degree.
mpexbot: smickles: Server's response: Post limit, maximum pastes per 24h reached
smickles: they have an excellent business model
Namworld: What's the new time estimates on MPEx availability?
Namworld: Should I just go sleep and come back tomorrow or is it almost done?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.0342 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.345 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.089 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.005978 = 0.0179 BTC [-]
maximian: so this is on the new 10Gb connection?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 450 @ 0.18400178 = 82.8008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ill be around to process withdrawals/deposits for anyone needing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 815 @ 0.13708413 = 111.7236 BTC [-]
jcpham: youngest bitcoin owner ever
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 680 @ 0.11119696 = 75.6139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 100 @ 0.06940607 = 6.9406 BTC [-]
jcpham: is 2175 the correct year
jcpham: why can i not verify that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 650 @ 0.05313042 = 34.5348 BTC [-]
jcpham: also i'm serious about a screenplay
jcpham: consider that an opening a prologue
Namworld: I think I'll stay until my MPEx deposit is processed.
mircea_popescu: mpex is closed for a day, when it reopens everyone wants to deposit.
mircea_popescu: i was just saying, poor guy. you went off like 5 minutes before
maximian: anyone who isn't a nervous nelly knows that it was just a temporary issue
Namworld: Yeah, well sleeping is not my forte.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.05216909 = 1.0434 BTC [-]
jurov: hi Namworld, can i redirect coinbr.com to bitvps, should the need arise?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 195 @ 0.06938646 = 13.5304 BTC [-]
BitHub: mpex trading via social media when its down?
jurov: yes, facebook app coming shortly
jurov: but twatter wouldn't be bad... if they had sane interface
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C270T] 214 @ 0.37437884 = 80.1171 BTC [+]
BitHub: yeah that's what im thinking, twitter could come in handy for situations like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7076 @ 0.00072764 = 5.1488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00069034 = 31.4105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42424 @ 0.00067334 = 28.5658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 78 @ 0.00413 = 0.3221 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maximian there's a lot of hardware being set up. i wanted to get people a lifeline as soon as possible
mircea_popescu: access may be spotty over the next coupla days as everything's being assembled, but hey.
maximian: as long as trades can be executed, it's all good
jcpham: he has the same initals as me so he can assume my identity one day
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 445 @ 0.08865601 = 39.4519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00588401 BTC [+]
jcpham: people can live forever on the internet you know
jcpham: or at least an identity can
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 750 @ 0.20943788 = 157.0784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C290T] 389 @ 0.3278143 = 127.5198 BTC [+]
Namworld: But if someone still wants to sell a few, I'd take some.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00898 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 176 @ 0.00899 = 1.5822 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it seems to me most sales are either deep calls takingprofits
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 150 @ 0.009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 43 @ 0.01 = 0.43 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The properties and procedures of bitcoin can solve real world problems like voting and tokenization, but for now, we use it as money."
mircea_popescu: "and we bitch like a virgin in hell if anyone explores alternate uses"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I'll pay maybe 50 bitcoins for that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 225 @ 0.20947704 = 47.1323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 85 @ 0.23623458 = 20.0799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200000 @ 0.00075 = 150 BTC [+]
Bowjob: do you see it if i spam the free button?
mircea_popescu: Up to 17.5 million RBS banking group customers were left without their money last night as the bank’s systems crashed.
Bowjob: Mhm, is the free button provably fair
Bowjob: shouldnt i win a lot on the free button
Namworld: the center stuff have way more paths leading to them than others... assuming each spot has the actual odds the same as if the coin had 50% falling either side of each nail.
error4733: cool, add then with all your imaginary coin
Bowjob: mhm, i hit the free button 104 times, i made my browser slow to a crawl
jurov: finally managed to sneak into my bitvps vps..
jurov: just did mount / -f -o remount,ro ; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/root
jurov: leave burned ground to them
error4733: haaa fail, i just try but with instawallet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00075 = 13.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 77 @ 0.00725 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 335 @ 0.65 = 217.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.65 / 0.65 (383 shares, 249 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.65004 / 0.655 (625 shares, 406.3 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: more than 10,000 shares sold in the last 2 to 3 weeks
Chaang-Noi: that was my fault, im fixing that right now
Chaang-Noi: only 40 shares left at .65 and then im no longer under contract to sell at that price
Chaang-Noi: after bfl fails to ship and asicminer gets 50% of the network i think 1.5 btc might trade
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, are they just targeting mpex.co and not mpex.coinbr.com?
mircea_popescu: i used tghe ddos to make a lot of upgrades, not everything's ready to come up online
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 675 @ 0.15947462 = 107.6454 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and wtf is going on in these people's heads, they're simultaneously arguing which exchanges should list and delist s.dice
mircea_popescu: what is this, the dictature of the proletariat or someshit ?! who even asked them.
Namworld: Why is the return amount needed on losses?
Namworld: the 1 satoshi or so outputs by S.DICE?
BitHub: bitcoin isn't a dictatorship?
Namworld: Can't Erik remove those? I don't see much point anyway. You can check your lucky number regardless... If you don't win, don't confirm by sending 1 satoshi?
Ukto: mircea_popescu: they are just going overkill
Ukto: I was talking to Erik the other day
Ukto: yesterday? day before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: No, but is the 1 satoshi return on loss needed?
Namworld: Seems that part could be killed at least
Ukto: mircea_popescu: is erik even under any kind of permentant "cant just up and move" contract with mpex anyways?
Ukto: i mean, seems a bit draconian ?
Ukto: "you can never leave"
mircea_popescu: Ukto if you think about it the only practical effect it has is it prevents accounting becoming a mess a la asicminer.
Ukto: it worked fine there
Namworld: SD offers a lookup tool to check your lucky numbers anyway. If you lose, you can see it from the tool.
Namworld: A lookup search box should be palced prominently on SD
Ukto: Namworld: join the conversation for a sec pls :P
Namworld: If you don't win, don't reply with a 1 satoshi transaction
mircea_popescu: Namworld i dunno, did erik even say at any point why they're sending it that way ?
Namworld: no... I guess so people know the bet has been processed?
Namworld: You can check that without a transaction... that's the point
Namworld: The 1 satoshi "You lose" transaction is kind of pointless.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 40 @ 0.65 = 26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 105 @ 0.05283354 = 5.5475 BTC [-]
Namworld: I don't want to read 1 billion forum posts and stupidities just to find if Erik ever considered/commented
mircea_popescu: im not sure what their point is anyway. "unspendable" ?!
mircea_popescu: well holly molly, if 1 satoshi is unspendable then what are we doing here
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how come colored coins are spendable but satoshi aren't ? isn't this exactly the same thing ?
Namworld: apparently not... 1 satoshi takes more fees to transact than the satoshi itself.
Namworld: and people tend to exclude 1 satoshi transactions
Namworld: I guess that's mostly that. Not that it's actually impossible to try to send it without any fee.
Bowjob: Free 1 dollar to everyone
mircea_popescu: Namworld if they get to be old enough don't they become free ?
Chaang-Noi: have some dust in wallet, send to dice for lulz to get rid of it, win under12000 lol
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
TradeFortress: so you can't send 1 satoshi. must send a million 1 satoshi inputs and the size of TX will make fees kill
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.005977 BTC [-]
TradeFortress: It's to apply a penalty to people who try to bloat the blockchain
Namworld: I believe in making hardblocks
mircea_popescu: i don't care so much what people intend to do TradeFortress
mircea_popescu: the point is that serious coders don't use magic numbers.
TradeFortress: then be a miner and choose which TXes to accept :)
TradeFortress: because a small group of coders decided on it. a customizable fee system would be better
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, if you're trying to apply a penalty to people who tryt to bloat the blockchain
TradeFortress: it could (not saying it is) be based on the cost it takes to process/store the TX
mircea_popescu: you want to impose a fee on txs that have small OUTPOUTS
TradeFortress: <TradeFortress> mircea_popescu, any output smaller than 0.01 requires fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4600001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
Namworld: not much trading going on right now
smickles: i guess pizza is what we should stick too
topace: zomg bitcoin is exploding!
topace: mpex down, blockchain.info down, block softlimit filesize reached...
topace: BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
deadweasel: you're not kiddin. blockchain is undermaintenance
topace: what should mpex.co resolve to ?
deadweasel: it should resolve to be a profitable venture
mircea_popescu: topace mpex.co nothing yet. mpex.coinbr.com is what you want
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
jurov: coinbr.com fully functional nao
mircea_popescu: anyway : in case our proxies get taken down, you can use mpexbot to check the json for vwap prices and market depth.
mircea_popescu: you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mircea_popescu: this functionality is disabled currently for administrative reasons, but can be flipped on at will
mircea_popescu: this ensures us against trade being taken down via ddos, unless someone manages to ddoss frenode.
mircea_popescu: there will be a 2nd bot coming online this weekend, doing roughly the same thing, just for redundancy.
jurov: and trades by email are supported automatically?
jurov: or you do the manually?
mircea_popescu: trades by email was an absolute lowest level of desperation.
mircea_popescu: it's just there as a possibility so people understand that no matter what happens, mpex will trade.
pizzaman1337: noob question: I've been watching some options books' and I've noticed some have buy/sell orders of 1000, with constantly changing prices. Is someone running a script with those orders, or are they mpex provided or something?
gribble: You rated user smickles on Sat Aug 25 08:39:34 2012, giving him a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He's been running MPOE.ETF and releasing THE monthly reports, a model for all Bitcoin financial reporting. Also handled k's of BTC as broker for various clients..
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: is that just to provide liquidity or something?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: you totally should change the whole MPEX to be used via IRC
Anduck: just hide the ip of the bot
Anduck: and youre safe from ddos
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: Anduck when i say mpex is the superior design this is what i mean.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: it's far away from superior, sorry.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: wanna know how to really make it superior?
Anduck: i'll tell you. really.
Anduck: the question will be do you have the possibilities to make it happenj
Anduck: but if someone did, it would be superior.
Anduck: just that nobody has done it, yet.
deadweasel: easy, sms via ec2 amazon services sms abilities
deadweasel: i'm from the south, we don't like colored coins 'round here
Anduck: make a system based on colored coin basis
Anduck: it would be totally awesome
Anduck: and if you can, hire a group to make it happen.
mircea_popescu: do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins ?
mircea_popescu: this is discussed on trilema, read that article when i get it back online.
Anduck: but... i saw porn on there :(
Anduck: well tbh i dont think colored coins would make it worse
smickles: < mircea_popescu> you can also issue orders through it, via $post blabla, where blabla is the url of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
mpexbot: smickles: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mpexbot: smickles: Temporarily disabled by reques of the romanian
jurov: smickles, this i asked about
jurov: no i asked smickles earlier why mpexbot doesn't do whole urls
smickles: basically, because mircea_popescu didn't ask for that
mircea_popescu: jurov because a. its much easier to parse and b. because the bot can't be touching random servers
mircea_popescu: it's not that i didn't ask for it, it's that i asked for non-it.
jurov: ok, we'll see if ppl start running into pastebin limit
jcpham: something to get involved in finally
kakobrekla: i dont think newbs should be doing this
smickles: hmm, 25 pastes per day for an unidentified user, doable
kakobrekla: there must be some paste something that is not rate limited
deadweasel: couldn't you start an IRC channel that was invite only, pw protected, and people could trade with your bot in there?
deadweasel: that way you keep the rif raf from being able to poke around
deadweasel: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> lets paste the mpex output to reddit <<< thart was considered, and is still on the list :D
deadweasel: course EC2 doesn't allow IRC servers, not the free ones anyhow
mircea_popescu: this is a very heavy political issue and i won't solve it that way.
mircea_popescu: well... i don't and i think the attack i've seen could actually blow them offline
deadweasel: i can see you with half you face painted blue right now, mircea_popescu
deadweasel: "but they will never take our, MPEX!!!!!!"
smickles: lol, "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my harddrive?"
jcpham: PC Load Letter _ wtf does that mean!?!
mircea_popescu: also smickles you ever saw seek and destroy, the film ?
mircea_popescu: you don't read trilema enouygh, i tore them a new asshole.
smickles: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen that
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, they should have immediately took the site offline
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5105 = 1.021 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 at the fucking least change dns pws, argue with their dns provider, and leave someone to watch that accoutn
Diablo-D3: why did they even have a password for their dns shit?
Diablo-D3: they should have been using secure certs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3449 BTC [-]
smickles: anyone know how I can get supybot to send the return of my markov command instead of the 'invalid command' error mesage?
davout: mircea_popescu: your blog fails to load
davout: which is why I want a refund for your stupid trilema credits
mircea_popescu: why you come here bother me i call the police i tell you
smickles: davout: i was able to sell some of mine at a profit
davout: smickles: which order book
mircea_popescu: you know, the kid that you take to the park in the stroller, comes back with 3 strollers and a motorbike
gribble: Error: No orders for this currency present in database.
smickles: aw, mircea_popescu, you flatter me :)
davout: smickles: haha i guess i'm not really used to the over-the-counter exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.62 = 16.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.62 = 3.24 BTC [+]
smickles: an easy way to do it is to go to home depot with 5 usd, buy stuff to make a water pipe, construct it and sell it to a pothead for 70 usd
davout: mircea_popescu: lol fuck you
mircea_popescu: (if anyone doens't know, davout is the frenchie that sold bitcoin to the banking system. bitcoin-central.net)
smickles: you still use that pic of some guitar guy as you forum avitar?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 1.63 = 13.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C250T] 87 @ 0.41809214 = 36.374 BTC [+]
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a pastebin where you've uploaded your gpg encrypted clearsigned order
smickles: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins would make it superior?
mpexbot: but... i saw porn on there :(
smickles: oh, i should open it up to the public
mpexbot: i don't know much about IRC, but I'm sure your own system of IRC networks and servers could manage any load
mpexbot: 21:35 <mpexbot> do you have an inknling of a clue what people would say if i used colored coins 'round here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.000676 = 1.352 BTC [-]
smickles: the forum is unreachable for me
mpexbot: who are you talkin' about you troll you
smickles: oh wait. it just had 60 second load times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.005884 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.679 BTC [-]