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Namworld: Oh, We don't have the infrastructure to handle any large DoS tho, we're relatively a very small host. Not the kind that was being conducted against MPEx. Not sure what you would ahve wanted us to do.
mircea_popescu: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/reuters-social-media-editor-indicted-for-allegedly-conspirin
mircea_popescu: vaguely related
Namworld: It's just not feasible for us to do so.
jurov: Namworld, i wanted you to consider the possibility beforehand. not being caught like a deer in the headlights
jurov: and even then, the ddos was raging for 6 hours till anyone started to do anything with it!!!!
mircea_popescu: if i may, everyone has a point here. in fairness we didnt really know how hot things will get early on. in retrospect it can be said that "well duh, obviously if it can take out mpex's main it will wipe a vps somewhere". but at the time i was busy and i guess nobody else realised it.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand there's never going to be an economical solution to offer vps servers and yet scale it up in case of a serious ddos
mircea_popescu: so practically a vps host can't do much more than "sorry, we can't host you, you're too big".
jurov: well, having an alert for such cases is well within their economical reach... instead of waiting 8 hours till whole dc is in ashes
dub: I think while there could have been a quicker response (and really the pain here is for any other customer of bitvps), a $20 vps is not expected to handle any kind of dos in a way that mitigates the attack for its target
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess communications didn't work.
mircea_popescu: actually,
Namworld: Till whole DC?
dub: thats just my experience with gettign dos'd on $20 vpsen :)
Namworld: We have 1 server in switzerland.
dub: and yes I took out linodes fremont facility once
dub: because someone wanted my nick on IRC
kakobrekla: lol
jurov: okay, it was the server then, not the dc. and yes, i shouldn't have expected any thing else
jurov: but having to wait 6 hours and then another 2 hours fo r the staff trying to figure out if it's really an attack
jurov: that would enrage everyone
mircea_popescu: in fact going through the logs,
mircea_popescu: Mar 07 03:46:04 <jurov> Namworld if this causes to overstep my bitvps bandwidth, or causes bitvps to be included in ddos outright
mircea_popescu: Mar 07 03:48:14 <Namworld> i would be surprised, jurov
mircea_popescu: some warning was issued.
jurov: ^exactly this i was speaking about
jurov: thx mircea
mircea_popescu: well... he promised to be surprised, he was surprised. no scam.
jurov: hehe
Namworld: ... that's not really the point
Namworld: But apparently yes, words got out quickly and it was DDoS'ed too.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it doesn't look like there's much more anyone could have done practically.
Namworld: We only have a few nodes, we might be the most popular host in BTC zone but that's quite small a clientbase.
jurov: well, but if you don't want to host anything critical, where does this leave you?
jurov: irc knitting group with some hosting slapped on?
mircea_popescu: jurov listen, pretty much nobody offers off the shelf ddos proof hosting
mircea_popescu: it's just too expensive.
Namworld: It actually is very expensive. Pretty much any host will kick someone getting DDoSed outright. Not that it's something we'd wish to do, but it's not economically feasible at the cost VPSes/Shared hosting are billed.
Namworld: and we are pretty much salvaging RG's business which was barely breaken even. There's no money for 24/7 staff and we all have to work on it outside our day job/etc.
Namworld: We're already moving out of rented servers and have bought dedicated servers. We'll be upgrading and consolidating.
mircea_popescu: Namworld it's a best effort business, we get it. perhaps the only improvement is to have an internal messaging system somehow, so if you hear ddos early warning it can be used somehow
mircea_popescu: if that's even possible.
Namworld: But we're pretty much investing in a business that was in the red.
Namworld: Once we get our own servers instead of renting, we'll be in the green. For now we're focused on doing that and moving clients.
Namworld: Once that is done we can start improving services.
Namworld: But there's still a lot of work ahead.
jurov: to be honest, i was thinking about moving somewhere else back after december outage
jurov: but couldn't get any good advice except to pay heavy $$$
dub: I would only go with big name brand for a vps
Namworld: The switzerland node we have has been getting many issues at the DC level. We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe.
dub: there are so many 2 bit (!) shops out there
Namworld: For US we're consolidating clients in New York on owned servers.
dub: jurov: not to be rude, and this is why I still use linode, you can't expect any $20 vps to handle anything critical
jurov: okay okay, i'm not complaining about that
jurov: i have just issue with communication and delays
jurov: but prolly that's to be expected for $40 vps, too...
kakobrekla: Namworld hetzner
dub: jurov: yep
Namworld: kako: what?
Namworld: Well we hope to be able to be staffed 24/7 later on.
kakobrekla: >We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe.
kakobrekla: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex
dub: good, cheap, fast, pick two
parseval: Beyond mitigation steps with firewall software, you could architect the web app to easily scale to multiple servers, then toss in nodes from AWS on demand during an attack. A bit pricey, but if the question is whether you pay more or shut down...
mircea_popescu: sex.
mircea_popescu: parseval software firewalls weren't even being touched, routers got it.
parseval: Nice
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 1 @ 0.08995 BTC [-]
smickles: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 4847647.1520656
RandolphDuke: which broker is better coinbr or btc-tc ?
jurov: RandolphDuke btc-tc is exchange not broker
Namworld: Indeed
jurov: and you did not say your criteria
RandolphDuke: so how do they have mpex assets?
jurov: these are passthroughs backed by mpex assets
RandolphDuke: jurov: recieving dividends
RandolphDuke: from what i take it btc-tc takes 5% of the dividend ammount
RandolphDuke: and coinbr charges a monthly fee
jurov: coinbr is not asking a fee for receiving dividends, but asks 0.09/month flat
RandolphDuke: what about reputation, is coinbr the same people as mpex?
dub: coinbr is jurov
jurov: no, i'm coinbr owner, mircea_popescu is mpex owner
dub: ;;getrating jurov
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User jurov, rated since Fri Jan 20 15:16:32 2012. Cumulative rating 24, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jurov
dub: he has a good reputation
RandolphDuke: what about security of funds
jurov: it's discussed extensively on bitointalk, lemme dig it...
RandolphDuke: thnx
jurov: here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.0
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RandolphDuke: havelock is another broker or exchange?
dub: exchange
smickles: RandolphDuke: i believe that coinbr is the only mpex broker with a website
smickles: and, ugg, i just installed a proper ssl cert ... now apache wont start
smickles: and i can't find any useful error in the logs
smickles: :PP
kakobrekla: Inaba: My open offer for a bet: BFL will ship the promised products within a reasonable time frame (as determined by a reputable member of this community, I propose Casascius). I offer BTC from 100 BTC to 2000 BTC. I am also willing to accept the domain name joshzerlan.com in lieu of BTC on the part of Bryan Micon.
kakobrekla: how could i have missed that.
kakobrekla: gotta love the reasonable timeframe
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : make an alias for josh-zerlan.com on bitbet's server
mircea_popescu: and redirect it to the march bfl bet.
mircea_popescu: gimme the ns.
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smickles: how am i supposed to fix something when there are no errormessages or logs?
mircea_popescu: smickles join the club, my sysadmin ppls have been wrangling with something exactly liek that for 3 days now.
smickles: mircea_popescu: but this should be simple, and common. I'm sure many people install ssl certs
mircea_popescu: yah well...
Troic: selinux / strace are your friends and foe
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00072543 / 0.00072578 / 0.00072614 (22480 shares, 16.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074098 / 0.00076718 (769435 shares, 570.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069589 / 0.00078628 (43419967 shares, 30,215.69 BTC)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
mircea_popescu: from my personal "must read collection
RandolphDuke: !ticker m S.DICE
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00584763 / 0.00599987 (473 shares, 2.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613776 / 0.0069 (2392891 shares, 14,687.00 BTC)
smickles: the internet is so useful: "Wow after hours of digging I finally found the solution thanks to a post by rajanichand Here what I did in httpd.conf I commented out the SSLCACertificateFile line and it worked."
mircea_popescu: haha cool
smickles: unfortunately, i don't think i have the right kind of mind for that solution
smickles: and i've come across a handfull of "UPDATE: i fixed it after finding _this_line_ in som OTHER logs" But they never say what logs those were
mircea_popescu: you know...
mircea_popescu: those other logs
jurov: smickles, you don't have passphrase set on key?
jurov: so that apache is stopping somewhere and waiting for it
smickles: jurov: i believe i do have a passphrase set on the key
jurov: get rid of it.. you can add it later if desired
smickles: could it be stopping and waiting for me to type it in somehow?
jurov: yes tat's exactly what it does
smickles: oh, howto get rid of it?
jurov: some openssl magic invocation
smickles: i will send you a tip if this works
smickles: hmm, i'm going to have to send a new csr to those guys now, arn't i
jurov: http://www.mnxsolutions.com/apache/removing-a-passphrase-from-an-ssl-key.html << smickles
smickles: jurov: give me an addy, it worked.
smickles: but now, the thing that prompted me to do this is giveing another error
smickles: D:
jurov: what thing?
smickles: blockchain.info's api making a callback to my server
smickles: their java install doesn't seem to think my cert is a good cert
jurov: nromal browser is not complaining?
smickles: yeah, works on chromium
jurov: does apache provide all certs in chain or only the your one and the CA?
jurov: i remember i had to add them all cause some browser was unhappy
smickles: SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/PositiveSSL.ca-bundle
smickles: is that what you're talking about?
jurov: yea that should work
smickles: yeah, it's in there, and has been in there
jurov: i dunno. so 1DzxV3arKg22TfVYx4nw1rLFJmjLTnXHi7 then
jurov: maybe you'll have to import them into java then
smickles: lol, yeah, import my cert into their java. anyway, sent :)
mircea_popescu: what's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: java is like, secure and maff and stuff
smickles: mircea_popescu: when 'they' try to send a callback to my server, their software gives them "Error sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target" and gives up
mircea_popescu: hm
jurov: https://forums.comodo.com/ssl_certificate/unable_to_find_valid_certification_path_to_requested_target-t17086.0.html;wap2=
mircea_popescu: you know they could just add your cert.
jurov: lol maybe their java is outdated
smickles: wtf, would they really be on 1.5?
smickles: damn early 1.5 at that
Bowjob: yawn
Bowjob: my electrum wallet doesnt appear to work lol
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mircea_popescu: “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.”
mircea_popescu: i'm like in love over here.
smickles: mircea_popescu: don't love AJ, it's a sin
mircea_popescu: aj ?
smickles: alexjones
mircea_popescu: that's not alex jones
smickles: silly joke
mircea_popescu: its some obscure jim beam dood
smickles: that's an ungoogleable name
mircea_popescu: http://jim.com/liberquo.htm
mircea_popescu: jim.com, nicely enough
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assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.15 = 3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahh, got a nice one for midnightmagic :
mircea_popescu: “Altruism does not mean mere kindness or generosity, but the sacrifice of the best among men to the worst, the sacrifice of virtues to flaws, of ability to incompetence, of progress to stagnation--and the subordinating of all life and of all values to the claims of anyone's suffering.”
topace_: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.53000000 / 0.54966167 / 0.57000000 (60 shares, 32.97970000 BTC), 7D: 0.44000006 / 0.56318428 / 0.61999910 (735 shares, 413.94044920 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.62515082 / 0.75900000 (5260 shares, 3288.29329337 BTC)
topace_: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00570109 / 0.00599986 (241 shares, 1.37 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613751 / 0.0069 (2388391 shares, 14,658.80 BTC)
smickles: jurov: phantomcircuit nailed the second issue, my server wasn't providing enough of the cert chain, browsers just dl the missing parts, java needs the whole thing spoon-fed to it
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kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1181/
smickles: kakobrekla: not funny :P
kakobrekla: this one is http://xkcd.com/1169/
smickles: heh, actually i do think it's funny, but it sends a bad message
mircea_popescu: in other news http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136330962761.jpg
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dub: did you see my link before?
dub: be fun to set two points in london and try to navigate at full zoom
dub: http://btlondon2012.co.uk/pano.html
mircea_popescu: fpr some values of fun
dub: tbh I spent ten minutes looking for porn and gave up
dub: probably need to refamiliarise myself with the best socioeconomic direction
dub: its been 30 odd years since I've been there
mircea_popescu: been where ?!
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Human progress exists because people cooperate together, and are nice to each other. The peoples whose nature is to prey on other humans, to cast them away, or to be mercenary, these are destructive elements. People who are destructive while pretending their acts select for greater fitness is a perversion of the nature of Darwinism which does not, in fact, match reality.
mircea_popescu: you equivocate plenty in there. progress does not exist. humans do live comfortably because they cooperate, but this does have no relation to being nice.
mircea_popescu: gotta think cleanly if you aim to think at all.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Nor is courtesy and kindness in the face of cruelty anything I would espouse.
midnightmagic: Progress does exist in the form of higher standards of living, freedom, and the advancement of human knowledge and science.
mircea_popescu: standards of living have been collapsing ever since welfarism (which is a good example of the nice/cooperation confusion)
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If you would like to make a specific point about altruism rather than make quotation-like assertions, I would be happy to entertain it.
mircea_popescu: the only way that collapse can be hidden is by avoiding reference to objective standard.
midnightmagic: That is actually completely false.
mircea_popescu: so then we have a point.
mircea_popescu: to disagree on :D
midnightmagic: And I would say that those who prey on other humans and run confidence games with them are more responsible for the destruction you think outweighs the progress humans have made in science and medicine.
mircea_popescu: now let's take your progress apart. fewer people can read in the us today than did in 1913.
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem states one or both of us is, at that point, being irrational.
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midnightmagic: Thus, I do not agree to disagree.
mircea_popescu: fewer people die today in good health than did in 1913
mircea_popescu: what esle was in there, o, right, freedom.
mircea_popescu: i'll rest on that one, seems too easy.
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midnightmagic: That is a statement which is pointless: more people live longer, in better health than in 1913.
mircea_popescu: also, you perhaps hold aumann in too high a regard. he's a minor bayesian, which is another way to say nonsense.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic only if you measure these like the us govt measures unemployment.
mircea_popescu: take something inconvenient, like people who died of cancer before age 18.
mircea_popescu: see how it went up by the 100's of %.
midnightmagic: I'm no sure you understand what Bayesian reasoning is at this point.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you lack the cognitive trappings that'd allow you to evaluate that meta-point, so let's allow it to go silent.
midnightmagic: You make a nonsense assertion about Bayesian reasoning being nonsense and then tell me I'm incapable of cognition for saying you're making ignorant comments?
midnightmagic: You know you could have just said, "no, u"
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the theorem you cite refers to something very speciffic.
mircea_popescu: you are applying it with no consideration given to the conditions of validity it contains
mircea_popescu: this speaks of you.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The population of the world also went up. Your statements of statistics are flawed, and either you're doing it on purpose and waiting for me to mock you, or you really do think these things, in which case I .. well I'm not sure where to go from there.
mircea_popescu: right, see ?
mircea_popescu: we have problems.
midnightmagic: Lemme give it a stab. Pirates and global warming?
mircea_popescu: what about these ?
midnightmagic: If population itself rises by x%, and you say number of cancer cases have increased by x%, you are actually saying cancer *rates* have remained static.
mircea_popescu: listen, the reason i phrased that way is not because of a misunderstanding of statistics, as you seem inclined to conveniently surmise.
mircea_popescu: it's because i presupposed in your usage of "progress" that you do not look at percents but absolutes.
mircea_popescu: you'd have to, in order to maintain coherence.
midnightmagic: I surmise but not conclude, as you'll note in my previous comment about the possibilities of why you're doing that.
mircea_popescu: "no kids left behind" and all that.
mircea_popescu: (yes, surmise but not conclude. which is specifically why i used that word and not the other. i'm trying to help you judge here.)
midnightmagic: You make it easy to be uncivil, mircea.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome.
midnightmagic: I don't feel so.
mircea_popescu: well... not like you have to :p
mircea_popescu: but let us better understand this notion of progress you use, because after all it's so messed up by commoners chewing on it.
midnightmagic: Well, it does free me up to mock your "my success by my measure makes me right" bias.
midnightmagic: Very well.
mircea_popescu: so : if situation A is that 100 people die yearly in forest fires and situation B is that 3 people die yearly in forest fires but one person is kidnapped and tortured to death as a religious practice which causes the reduction in forest fires casualities, is a movement from A to B progress in your view ?
BitHub: :/
BitHub: morning
mircea_popescu: hi.
BitHub: gday maaaaate, how the bloody hell are ya?
midnightmagic: Human longevity has increased; human standards of living have increased; human freedom to pursue a healthy happy life is greater than it ever was; human knowledge is at its greatest peak in all of history; human treatment of disease is greater and more effective than it has ever been, ever in all history; human notions of morality and ethics (on the whole) are greater than they have ever been.
mircea_popescu: ah but why muddy things up, just answer the q.
midnightmagic: I literally don't have an answer for your contrived example.
mircea_popescu: perhaps human notions of morality and ethics aren't quite as developed as all that.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps you're not quite up to the reading, seeing how it's both ancient and banal an example.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. i'm satisfied myself, thanks.
midnightmagic: They are. We have natural rights now that humans have never had for basically all of recorded history.
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midnightmagic: It's a stupid philosophical example with no bearing on my assertion.
midnightmagic: +s
mircea_popescu: well, it's true it has no bearing on your assertions.
mircea_popescu: the reason would be that they're empty pr stuff.
mircea_popescu: where they mean anything they're false, where they're not false they're meaningless.
mircea_popescu: for that matter the raw raw raw we are the best the sun has ever seen is possibly the oldest rabble rousing talk ever. older than Athens for sure.
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midnightmagic: So what? It's true now.
mircea_popescu: it always was "true now".
mircea_popescu: i guess for some views that constitutes proof of progress.
midnightmagic: So?
mircea_popescu: so nothing really, it's a little amusing, you'll grow out of it.
midnightmagic: lol
mircea_popescu: ikr?
mircea_popescu: people have never been this smart and yet men your age have never been this childish.
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mircea_popescu: it's a paradox.
midnightmagic: So desperately certain; so patronizing. And you continue to rail against that which you have no control over; ineffective. Shouting into the wind.
midnightmagic: I'm fairly sure you have no idea how old I am.
mircea_popescu: hm, if you won't think the question too much proof of my many and varied shortcomings,
midnightmagic: Pretend you are my better then. I'm confident you don't grow out of that no matter how true or untrue it may be.
mircea_popescu: why do you presume to guess my emotional state ? does it help something ?
midnightmagic: Dinner time. Have fun talking to your echo chamber.
mircea_popescu: laters.
jborkl: Emotions hinder rational thought
mircea_popescu: well that's true. but he already got slapped once with the entire statistics thing. you'd expect people a little quicker on their feet.
mircea_popescu: presume you don't understand what's being said because of the other person once, get shown better, stop making the assumption. at least for a wittle while.
jborkl: That seems reasonable to me
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: standards of living in developed countries have barely budged in 50 years outside of major improvements in communications
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: with all the productivity gains the government has said weve made over 50 years, 8 hours of work per week should be enough to afford a 1950's standard of living, yet today 2 income earners are required just to make ends meet
midnightmagic: RandolphDuke: That's not true at all re: not budged in 50 years.
RandolphDuke: sure it is
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic 44, gemini.
mircea_popescu: o, there you are.
RandolphDuke: name an innovation in the last 30 years that has improved your life other then the internet
kakobrekla: mobile phone
kakobrekla: gps
kakobrekla: microwave
Troic: mri
RandolphDuke: phones existed in the 50's
kakobrekla: fine, GSM then
RandolphDuke: all of those are merely improvements of existing technology
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seriously tho, people need about 3 average incomes now to maintain a 1950s lifestyle. in the 80s needed two.
mircea_popescu: soon will need four.
kakobrekla: yeah and?
RandolphDuke: some households already have their kids working part time
kakobrekla: thats why bitcoin is 50 now
mircea_popescu: right.
RandolphDuke: the government has siphoned off the productivity gains through inflation/taxation and transfered them into none-return bearing investments
RandolphDuke: squandered
mircea_popescu: at least zee germans financed a united europe
mircea_popescu: so they'll have a disaster to account for it.
mircea_popescu: the us financed nothing in particular, a buncha lossy wars.
RandolphDuke: european union is just a secular version of the holy roman empire
RandolphDuke: its nothing new
mircea_popescu: i think that's what they hoped it to be, but it didn't work out.
kakobrekla: i still dont see what the problem is
RandolphDuke: infact its probably even worse now, since at least the emperors still feared divine punishment somewhat
mircea_popescu: hre was politically very weak.
mircea_popescu: look into it, it was an interesting time for freedom.
midnightmagic: 1910 literacy rate: 7.7% = 92m * 1-0.077=84m, 2013 literacy rates for the US: 99% = 313m * 0.99 =309.9m 309.9m > 84m.
mircea_popescu: those numbers are lies.
midnightmagic: Oh, sure. Make up a definition that makes you right.
mircea_popescu: want me to pick up the reports that kids going to college today need to take basic literacy ?
midnightmagic: lol
RandolphDuke: what i find most amusing about the US, is if you actually research what the so called tyrants extracted from the population it was roughly 5-10% of annual income
mircea_popescu: have you spoken to one of these young hopefuls ?
RandolphDuke: compare that to close to 50% now lol
RandolphDuke: in a "free" country
midnightmagic: Considering 7.7% *couldn't read AT ALL* in 1910?
mircea_popescu: over 10% can't read at all today.
midnightmagic: Anecdote proves everything, I always say. Right mircea?
mircea_popescu: it's just they're carefully avoided when the statistics are made.
mircea_popescu: just like the uynemployed doesn't include the homeless
mircea_popescu: because they smell.
midnightmagic: And let's just make up some random numbers! 10%
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: go pull up a newspaper from 100-200 years ago and compare it to one today, the level of language was far higher + the ammount of information per page was astonishing
midnightmagic: #statsfail
mircea_popescu: not how it works joe.
mircea_popescu: do you mind if i call you joe ?
midnightmagic: Only if you mind me calling you fluffy the unicorn.
mircea_popescu: you're already calling me mircea, so it's about fair.
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: if people were so well educated the unemployment rate wouldnt be as high, they would be able to figure out how to be productive from all their knowledge
midnightmagic: Okay fluffy.
kakobrekla: omg kids.
mircea_popescu: o, a challenge ? mkay.
mircea_popescu: for that matter i know you live in de soto, wisconsin, and that you collect, and what, and when you dated, and a whole other pile of stuff.
midnightmagic: Well? Courtesy's out the window, why not?
mircea_popescu: i got it all because i asked, half hour ago or whatever.
midnightmagic: LOL
midnightmagic: Who, me?
mircea_popescu: let's call the person joe.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
midnightmagic: ... Wisconsin..?
midnightmagic: I thought I told you I'm Canadian.
mircea_popescu: yeh
midnightmagic: Why would I be living in Wisconsin then?
mircea_popescu: ...
midnightmagic: Is this another one of those things that isn't translating into English so well?
mircea_popescu: it's a bizzare question, what, they shoot canadians in wisconsin ? or how should i know anyway
midnightmagic: whargarble.
midnightmagic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Velvet42/motivational%20posters/whargarbl.jpg
kakobrekla: its official, we have a 'chain block', dub. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bob-s-daily-buzzword-bitcoin-EJ04CzJbQsKJ6CqAsDI_WA.html
mircea_popescu: in you chain blockin' yo forks
smickles: get that fact into wikipedia!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00599963 = 0.8999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00072139 = 2.1642 BTC [-]
leotreasure: rofl chain block
mircea_popescu: like cockblock
mircea_popescu: but whit hain in it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 261 @ 0.005199 = 1.3569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00072139 = 4.653 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00071103 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00071102 = 1.4931 BTC [-]
MJR_: hi all
MJR_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
smickles: ;;tslb
smickles: howdy MJR_
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 5 seconds
MJR_: what's new :)
MJR_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.39999, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 47.39999, 24 hour volume: 31666.06954211, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.99000, 24 hour vwap: 47.29517
MJR_: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.250708 seconds
MJR_: ;;buy 48
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask|bid|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message)
MJR_: hmmm what's the command to see how many dollars to move to 48?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 158 @ 0.1 = 15.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov http://live.coinbr.com/ doesn't show anything to me, is my browser borkt ?
Josh_Rossi: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything either
mircea_popescu: you know i can't see your name without thinking of portia de rossi
Josh_Rossi: lol
Josh_Rossi: not sure if that is good or bad
Josh_Rossi: but I like her...
mircea_popescu: well... this tall blonde gorgeous lesbian chick.
mircea_popescu: how bad can it be
mjr_: hehehe
mjr_: yeah...just not sure if I want people to associate me with a hot blonde lesbian
mircea_popescu: and actually, talk about a trophy wife : she's maried to degeneres.
mircea_popescu: http://cdn.evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ellen_portia_kiss.jpg
mircea_popescu: visual aid.
mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-keiser/is-bitcoin-money_b_2849031.html
mircea_popescu: what does the libertard crowd wish to speak about ?
mircea_popescu: NOT the virtues of bitcoin. the fascinating fact that one of them got some.
mircea_popescu: navel grazing is becoming enshrined.
mjr_: lol
mjr_: max keiser is hilarious
mjr_: grazing or gazing?
mircea_popescu: yes
mjr_: so, I was thinking an assurance contract could be a good way to start a unified clearing process for exchanges
mjr_: where m is 2/3 of n
mjr_: seems to me, that that is the only way you rival gox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00599963 = 2.9998 BTC [-]
grubles: any thoughts on ppcoin?
smickles: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 26 seconds
smickles: i would've used bitpay, but they still haven't responded to my application and the certainly didn't respond b/f i had 90% finished my own system
smickles: ya know, it really says something about their business if *i* can code a functional replacement for them before they even respond to me
smickles: they did ask about volume tho, maybe they just see me as too small of a fish
mjr_: smickles: lol
mjr_: the finance guys I work with are like send it to India
mjr_: im like you don't get it...this is the fun part
mjr_: interesting convo in OTC
smickles: heh, i had a lot of fun earlier getting and installing a 'proper' ssl cert
mjr_: you had to pay?
smickles: mjr_: well, i didn't wan't to go with one of those 'free' providers, and my self-signed just wasn't cutting it anymore
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: what's the site, is it live?
mjr_: how do you see the banner?
smickles: heh, the site is a wip
smickles: the banner?
mjr_: for a room
smickles: /topic you mean?
mjr_: ah thanks
mjr_: was looking for motd or something
smickles: /motd is for the server
smickles: also, usually the topic has more in it than a url
mjr_: lol so much drama pretty much on every channel and forum
mjr_: I scurry back to bitcoin-assets
smickles: I've heard people say that it's not true that bitcoin isn't backed by anything; it's backed by drama.
mjr_: can't wait for a btc reality show
mjr_: you could have an amazing drama on amc about bitcoins
mjr_: miners, exchanges, Silk Road retailers
mjr_: irc ops
mjr_: so many stories to tell
Ukto: anyone taken a loan on btcjam? i have some question on it
coingenuity: Ukto: from what i've seen btcjam is uh...dubious at best
coingenuity: mostly SR activity, not much else
coingenuity: once in a while something legit-seeming pops up, but given the rest of the loans on there...eh
Bowjob: yawn
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.60551, Best ask: 47.10799, Bid-ask spread: 0.50248, Last trade: 46.99588, 24 hour volume: 30482.99861105, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.96000, 24 hour vwap: 47.17570
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.31 = 1.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: is jurov awake?
smickles: alright, I think I'll be launching the MPEx GUI tomorrow (today after i sleep and such)
smickles: :D
Ukto: >,>
Ukto: is it differnt
Ukto: than a native passtru
Ukto: from coinbr ?
Bowjob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y
Bowjob: ahahah stupid americans
jurov: tiberiusiv yes?
jurov: of course live.coinbr.com shows nothing
jurov: Unterminated comment starting line 6 in <b>/home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php</b> on line <b>6</b>
jurov: mircea_popescu: check ur error logs
Olive6767: Hi All :)
tiberiusiv: jurov pm pls
oizotov: is there a site from which i can download the whole blockchain ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [-]
jurov: oizotov, there's a torrent
saulimus: oizotov, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
oizotov: i dont need bootstrap.dat im using old client and i need blk000X.dat
jurov: oizotov http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3551/how-can-one-download-the-initial-blockchain-data-files-securely
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [-]
oizotov: i dont find any mirror that works i tried to download them with the client its running 4-5 days already and havent finished downloading it ...
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152617.0
kakobrekla: O_o
kakobrekla: time to punch gox in the face
jurov: oizotov, use 0.8 then
jurov: it's *not* broken, not even for mining, if blocksize limit stays unchanged
oizotov: my wallet doesnt load in 0.8 some version mismatch i guess
jurov: pls ask in #bitcoin-dev then...
oizotov: ok thanks
jurov: lol mpoe-pr immediately chimed in... she could have added "we dispensed of this problem completely, mpex withdrawals are deprecated."
Anduck: lol i don't see ANY problem with that mtgox announcement
Anduck: btc price indeed has gone up
Anduck: like 3x from the long-lasting 10-4usd
Anduck: 10-14 usd*
Anduck: so isn't it quite clear that they will fix the limits too?
kakobrekla: maybe you dont, others do.
Anduck: well, what is the problem, then? =I
Anduck: the real withdrawal limit value is still bigger than it was with the 200 btc border
kakobrekla: if you dont have one doesnt mean it isnt there.
Anduck: well i can't even think of a problem so yeah...
Anduck: that
Anduck: that's also true they should now fix their fee structure, too
Anduck: or maybe not, in fact
kakobrekla: O_o
Anduck: maybe they had to lower the withdrawal limit cuz of some aml things?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00072397 = 0.181 BTC [+]
markedathome: if it is an aml thing then they should tie the withdrawal limits to 7 day vwap equivalent of USD limits.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5201 = 5.201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5200001 = 7.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.511 = 2.555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5102 = 7.1428 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5101 = 4.0808 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: is there any where the BTC trading newb can go for learning the ropes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 200 @ 0.51 = 102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5005 = 4.5045 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: #bitcoin-assets
ZedsterX: the help here is not really for the newb
kakobrekla: its not?
kakobrekla: dunno
ZedsterX: you guys are very much in your own little all knowing group
kakobrekla: are you asking for yourself or someone else'
ZedsterX: myself
kakobrekla: well what do you want to know?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 106 @ 0.5003 = 53.0318 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: looking for stuff like chart reading and basics
kakobrekla: well for chart reading you can ask Enky
kakobrekla: you can start here http://btctrading.wordpress.com/
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: yeah i saw that sight yesterday guess i should read up there...thanks Kako
kakobrekla: yeah enky is around here or join #bit4x, more techincal stuff is discussed there
ZedsterX: VWAP? see right there i'm lost....also aren't basic day trading how-to sites helpful for the basics?
kakobrekla: take your time, read, learn
kakobrekla: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/technical-background/
ZedsterX: well S.DICE has already taught me my first lesson...that is the reason for interest
kakobrekla: check the pdfs here
kakobrekla: etc
ZedsterX: yep i am moving to the tablet for some reading...thanks again sir
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: no prob
kakobrekla: ZedsterX bug Enky if you have issues understanding
kakobrekla: ;)
ZedsterX: will do ...and i'll tell you sent me :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
Troic_: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 (650 shares, 3.90 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00576119 / 0.006 (50615 shares, 291.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613748 / 0.0069 (2388881 shares, 14,661.72 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769999 = 1.54 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.29098, Best ask: 47.34967, Bid-ask spread: 0.05869, Last trade: 47.29098, 24 hour volume: 29361.03478444, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.90000, 24 hour vwap: 47.08799
kakobrekla: bfl site down - conspiraci
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.00575 = 0.069 BTC [+]
Guest2434: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51111382 / 0.57000000 (427 shares, 218.24560150 BTC), 7D: 0.46050000 / 0.55100234 / 0.61999910 (1008 shares, 555.41036353 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61443452 / 0.75900000 (5555 shares, 3413.18378474 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.152 = 0.304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.15001 = 0.7501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: usagi: People like what I am doing or they wouldn't invest.
kakobrekla: yeah, people are also idiots.
kakobrekla: sorry, a > missing there, first line is a quote.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.0051 = 0.0765 BTC [-]
deadweasel: investing in metals doesn't make one an idiot, but trading btc for it is.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00555 = 0.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
deadweasel: http://bitcointipper.com/index.html
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.769999 = 2.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.77 = 11.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 100 @ 0.77 = 77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.789999 = 7.9 BTC [+]
pigeons: your site deadweasel?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+]
jurov: so i went on to research bit more about coinlab.. have to wade through bullshit like:
jurov: When our team discussed how to tackle these issues in the US, it seemed clear that Mt. Gox had by far the best security record in the Bitcoin exchange landscape.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.79 = 5.53 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: since they are so good at security we decided to take that role out of their hands for all US customers
imsaguy: shh
imsaguy: you aren't supposed to read that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.13151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1012 = 0.3036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00073667 = 2.5047 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 57 @ 0.51 = 29.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.82 = 16.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.83 = 12.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.5715 = 4.0005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.572 = 1.716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57377777 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.575 = 5.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5849999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.2 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 15 @ 1.3999 = 20.9985 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.79 = 23.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.79 = 19.75 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://24.media.tumblr.com/06921f0d1ca90226d64ecbd050b8bd68/tumblr_mjoij4XdBZ1qf0u3po1_500.jpg
smickles: lol
topace: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51471736 / 0.59000000 (523 shares, 269.19717916 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55025058 / 0.61999910 (1102 shares, 606.37614115 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61284029 / 0.75900000 (5666 shares, 3472.35306240 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.79 = 6.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.398 = 3.184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.59 = 2.36 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "NOTE: For your security, we automatically lock domain names 30 days after unlocking." Thanks GoDaddy...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.59999 = 8.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.599999 = 5.4 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;calc 0.21253985/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.00447980555598
smickles: ;;calc 0.21253985*[ticker --last]
gribble: 10.083738518
Diablo-D3: http://gigaom.com/2013/03/15/finnish-development-firm-offers-to-pay-salaries-partly-in-bitcoins/
kakobrekla: O_o
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.159 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16439 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+]
topace: !ticker h sdice
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51892185 / 0.59999900 (550 shares, 285.40702016 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55155534 / 0.61999910 (1129 shares, 622.70598217 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61271479 / 0.75900000 (5692 shares, 3487.57260040 BTC)
jurov: uh, mktdepth for live.coinbr still broken... should i duct tape it or wait for mircea?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007249 = 2.3559 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov heh. all better now
mircea_popescu: in other news, josh-zerlan.com
jurov: SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
jurov: [Break On This Error]
jurov: , 610]]}, "X.IDIFF.SEP": {"S": [[235000000, 10]], "B": []}});
jurov: the code still isn't valid
jurov: ah it begins with JurovP(JurovP({
jurov: thanks for mentioning me twice, not necessary :D
mircea_popescu: also deposits flushed.
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX you'll be well advised to remember chart reading as in, technical analysis is far from being accepted like newtonian mechanics is.
mircea_popescu: lmao
ZedsterX: huh?
mircea_popescu: double encapsulation ftw. test it j
ThickAsThieves: basically chart reading can be voodoo or hindsight 20/20 a lot of the time
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX re your earlier ocmplaint.
jurov: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php on line 37
ZedsterX: no one was complaining about anything
mircea_popescu: hum wtf is going on there
jurov: mircea, just deprecate it :P
ZedsterX: i was asking for help...which as this proves this is not the place to do it
jurov: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol.
ThickAsThieves: Zed, mp is just saying, in your efforts to educate yourself, remember that chart reading isnt always reliable
mircea_popescu: fucking caching makes things insane.
mircea_popescu: or at least that's what they'e telling me in a doomed attempt to avoid the firing squad
mircea_popescu: anyway. now!
ZedsterX: yes of course
ZedsterX: but it is an essential part of trading none the less
jurov: \o/ live is working... but no trades happened today? argh
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX doesn't have to be really. anyway, hard to know what is ofcourse and what isn't ofcourse from yoru pov, ya know ?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [-
mircea_popescu: i see some at least.
ZedsterX: so then I put my question to you all knowing MP...where is a good place to read up on trading basics?
ThickAsThieves: ;bc,stats
ThickAsThieves: so, Luke Jr flew out to BFL to save the day huh?
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX i have no idea man.
mircea_popescu: maybe something like http://www.google.com/search?q=trading+basics&complete=0 ?
mircea_popescu: (no sarcasm intended)
ZedsterX: tried that
jurov: ah yes... http://mpex.co/mpex-rss.php has last trade from March 12 :(
iz: ZedsterX: do you want to get into technical charts or what?
ThickAsThieves: Zed, you could always ask specific questions here while you educate yourself
ZedsterX: I was just looking for help ...trust me it won't happen again here
ThickAsThieves: rather than "how do i learn" you could ask "What is the diff between a green bar and a red bar" or such
iz: ZedsterX: i found this was useful for me, when i was first learning about trading stocks http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school
iz: particularly what all the technical indicators are suppose to mean
ThickAsThieves: i dont think any of us meant to tell you to gtfo w your Qs
ZedsterX: thanks iz
iz: np
ThickAsThieves: matter of fact you were given specific people to talk to too
ZedsterX: i am good thanks
ZedsterX: not trying to start shit at all
mircea_popescu: jurov nu-uh :D
ZedsterX: just wanna learn
jurov: mircea_popescu: did you test it? noe it's unparsable
ZedsterX: i try to keep my mouth shut here and pick up stuff just to avoid this very thing
mircea_popescu: jurov i was looking at it a moment ago, it came up as rss. lesee
mircea_popescu: "This is a valid RSS feed."
mircea_popescu: did something subtle change ?
jurov: okay but firefox suddenly insists on displaying as text
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX dun sweat it man, nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: jurov hm
jurov: can't find out why
jurov: ah yes, it says Content-Type: text/html
ThickAsThieves: no harm done zed :)
jurov: never mind, coinbr script parses it fine
ZedsterX: so here's a specific question....dump S.DICE or hope for a comeback later in the month?
ZedsterX: :)
mircea_popescu: jurov ima add the header thing to the pile.
ThickAsThieves: there are a few strats you could take with sdice
ThickAsThieves: but none are totally reliable
ZedsterX: see right there sir...strats?
ThickAsThieves: strategies
jurov: mircea,np, it's ok. and don't forget to add stacktraces/ php code dumps on error. they're really helpful xD
ZedsterX: i know nothing...i will wait until I know wtf i am talking about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.999 = 3.998 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: heheh of course :)
ThickAsThieves: strats is a thing from when played WoW
mircea_popescu: jurov normally server responds with a fu on error, but this is the new stuff that's still being debugged
mircea_popescu: (and still not 100% ok, either).
ThickAsThieves: unrelated to stocks ;)
ZedsterX: kinda like aggro :
ThickAsThieves: right
ZedsterX: :)
ThickAsThieves: but with SDICE,
ZedsterX: MMORPG i understand :)
ThickAsThieves: keep an eye on the dividend for the month
ThickAsThieves: its looking pretty low this month so far
ThickAsThieves: whereas in past montgs
ThickAsThieves: recently
ThickAsThieves: its been higher
ZedsterX: where can you see an estimate of comi9ng dividends?
ThickAsThieves: nowhere
ThickAsThieves: but
ZedsterX: -9
ThickAsThieves: you can figure it out
ZedsterX: ahh ok i see what your saying
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX there's dooglus' stuff which is pretty interesting
mircea_popescu: you seen that ?
ThickAsThieves: Dooglus does a daily report
ZedsterX: no sir
ThickAsThieves: sec
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.0
ThickAsThieves: however
ThickAsThieves: he reports the TOTAL revenue
ThickAsThieves: all time
ZedsterX: right
mircea_popescu: and obviously there's no rule saying it has to do in the future what it did in the past.
ThickAsThieves: so you have to also reference the monthly statements
mircea_popescu: but still, interesting stuff
ThickAsThieves: to know this months profit
ZedsterX: yes of course MP
ThickAsThieves: to date
ThickAsThieves: then what you can do
ThickAsThieves: is divide the profit for themonth so far
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's it ahead so far for march ? like 1-2k ?
ThickAsThieves: by how many days have passed
ZedsterX: ok i uderstand all that...so maybe I am not as dumb as i thought
ThickAsThieves: then multiply by the number of days in this month
ThickAsThieves: to project profit
ZedsterX: right
ThickAsThieves: yeah mp
ThickAsThieves: pretty low
ThickAsThieves: but sensible numbers dont seem to affect sdice share price
ThickAsThieves: it seems to often do the opposite :/
mircea_popescu: lol ya, here's the funny thing i've noticed :
ZedsterX: i noticed that too and thought I was reading something wrong
mircea_popescu: when s.dice does well operationally, shares sell and price goes up
mircea_popescu: when it does poorly nobody is selling so trading freezes pretty much
ThickAsThieves: yep
mircea_popescu: it's as if there's group A which wants to buy cheap and hold forever and group B which wants to daytrade
ThickAsThieves: but there's still money to be made
mircea_popescu: and A is pretty much raping B
ThickAsThieves: day trading is still possible
ThickAsThieves: just a low qty
mircea_popescu: ya i guess so
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i'm old and i retire i'll write a book about the strange edge cases at the end of regulation in free mkt.
ThickAsThieves: if you are holding long term (which is a fantasy in bitcoin imo)
ThickAsThieves: then you look at everything differently
ThickAsThieves: if SDICE introduced a new product or game
ZedsterX: 2 different games
ThickAsThieves: it could skyrocket
ThickAsThieves: but erik doesnt wanna grow any faster than he is it seems
mircea_popescu: im not entirely what his strategy is
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <evoorhees> it's how resilient btc is in the face of them that matters
ThickAsThieves: seems to be focusing more on his personal brand right now
ThickAsThieves: doing interviews and being a bitcoin jesus
ZedsterX: isn't he tied with coinbase somehow also?
Diablo-D3: http://bitcointipper.com/index.html
ThickAsThieves: could work for him
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 "Due to the high number of signups, we will not be able to accept new users."
mircea_popescu: sweet.
ThickAsThieves: gtg to a meeting ttyl
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX is he ?
ZedsterX: voorhees
ZedsterX: oh you were asking me? :P
ZedsterX: i wanna say coinbase or something like that...heck what do i know
ZedsterX: ahhh it's BitInstant
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a small community, pretty much everyone knows everyone, but otherwise...
ZedsterX: mircea_popescu: your in europe right?
kakobrekla: all the cool kids are.
ZedsterX: hehe
mircea_popescu: yes.
ZedsterX: so why is there no BitInstant equivalent in EU? or do some countries? IE go to a store and pay cash for BTC instantly. I know Denmark doesn't
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX bitcoin-central.net is much better
mircea_popescu: you transfer funds to them isntantly and get bitcoin. sepa zone only, but miles ahead of mtgox and all the rest.
mircea_popescu: and they're properly registered (which nobody else is)
ZedsterX: sepa is not instant
ZedsterX: if i sepa from my online bank its queued for up to 24 hours
kakobrekla: another reason why bitcoin is 50.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.85111, Best ask: 46.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.13889, Last trade: 46.99000, 24 hour volume: 18791.39020569, 24 hour low: 46.35000, 24 hour high: 47.47999, 24 hour vwap: 47.08453
ThickAsThieves: meeting cancelled, yay
ZedsterX: and a $7 charge
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX i know it's specified as "up to 24 hours" but in practice i've yet not had a transfer not be instant.
ZedsterX: sweet i will check it out ..only business days though right?
mircea_popescu: well yes
ZedsterX: just checking i can hope
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering what zee american folk put up with the weeks of mtgox/coinlab/etc...
ThickAsThieves: i sent campbx a check monday last week
ThickAsThieves: they are a 6-hr drive from me
ThickAsThieves: still no deposit :/
mircea_popescu: typical horror story.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00545 = 0.109 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.00545 = 0.06 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153444.0 mebbe your plate.
Ukto: thanks
ThickAsThieves: not sure if this is a silly question, but in BTCT's Analysis area, when i sell a share, which value does it use to determine the value of that one share if I paid various prices and own many?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.79 = 7.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: your cost basis would be logical.
ThickAsThieves: so it would take the amount i sold it for, subtract from the total current value and divide by whats left to give me my average
mircea_popescu: no.
ThickAsThieves: effectiveky
ThickAsThieves: ?
mircea_popescu: you buy shares q1..q2 at prices p1...p2.
mircea_popescu: this aggregates into a qt, pt pair which is qt = sum qi ; pt = sum pi *qi / sum qi
mircea_popescu: when you sell a share it counts it at pt.
ThickAsThieves: got it
mircea_popescu: course, i'm just saying it'd be logical... have no idea how they actually do it.
ThickAsThieves: i was asking both sides kinda
kakobrekla: philosoraptor if pi 3.14, qi is 6.28?
ThickAsThieves: i know only burnside can answer that aspect
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: posted, thanks again MP. going back to sleep
mircea_popescu: nn
mircea_popescu: hm, so how do i find a talented game artist person ;/
ChubbyBeavers: howdy
jurov: mircea_popescu u have instant sepa transfers to france? O.o
ThickAsThieves: find a game you think has a appropriate art and find out who they worked with
jurov: you have osme private bank, no?
ThickAsThieves: howdy Chub
mircea_popescu: jurov shit i said too much huh
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's an idea actually.
ThickAsThieves: is it illustrations or pixel work?
ThickAsThieves: or 2d rendering stuff?
ThickAsThieves: 3d*
mircea_popescu: illustrations.
mircea_popescu: basically, game cards.
ThickAsThieves: ha!
ThickAsThieves: i was gonna say
mircea_popescu: wha ?
jurov: ZedsterX, i have to wait 1-2 days. but the fee is 20 cents at most, no problem
ThickAsThieves: look at MTG artists
mircea_popescu: whossat ?
ThickAsThieves: lotsa good ones with decent rates
mircea_popescu: (mp only fucks aritsts, doesn't know any)
ThickAsThieves: Magic The Gathering
mircea_popescu: is there a forum or somfin' ?
mircea_popescu: jobsite ?
ThickAsThieves: dunno about that,
ThickAsThieves: but you can browse card art pretty easily
ThickAsThieves: and they all say the artist name on the card
ThickAsThieves: and each artist typically has a website
mircea_popescu: you know this is pretty sweet an idea. thanks thicksy
ThickAsThieves: np
smickles: anyone here have a windows machine, an mpex account and a willingness to see if my mpex gui windows package will work on their system?
ThickAsThieves: there are also less popular games
ThickAsThieves: with just as good art
jurov: smickles i have
ThickAsThieves: those artists might be cheaper
mircea_popescu: i don't really mind paying something reasonable.
kakobrekla: send it over smickles
smickles: alright jurov, i'll setup a link to the file and pm it to ya
jurov: i have only xp here. guess kako has sth better
Namworld: Just joking. Nice to see a GUI being made.
jurov: so we can both test
mircea_popescu: Namworld still ?
Doffx: mpex account still 50 btc?
mircea_popescu: Doffx 30 yet
Namworld: Wasn't it 30 BTC?
jurov: Doffx: no, 90
Doffx: lol
jurov: http://mpex.co/faq.html#17
ThickAsThieves: mp, http://tnielsen.com/
ThickAsThieves: she's pretty venerable in the MTG world
Doffx: Looks like 30
ThickAsThieves: this guy is dope too http://www.rkaneproductions.com/
ThickAsThieves: comic book artists is another idea
ThickAsThieves: i'll stop now :)
Namworld: You need an account Doffx? =/
mircea_popescu: Contact Us / FAQ. If you have a questions not answered below, please complete the Contact Information form below and we will contact you as soon as possible.
mircea_popescu: heh. i'll pass.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
Doffx: No, I do not Namworld.
jborkl: smicklies, i can give it a try also
jborkl: smickles
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00545 = 0.0109 BTC [+]
jurov: moment, he has to redo it... unpacked it, the win directory was full with .so files and ELF binaries :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11606 @ 0.00073181 = 8.4934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7714 @ 0.00073435 = 5.6648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1475 @ 0.0058822 = 8.6762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 586 @ 0.00073435 = 0.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00073667 = 1.0313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.0007407 = 5.8804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8594 @ 0.00074616 = 6.4125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00076706 = 0.7671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 481 @ 0.00076717 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.55 = 3.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyone doing store gift stuff for btc anymore ?
ChubbyBeavers: i normally convert to amazon these days
ChubbyBeavers: can get almost everything on amazon
ThickAsThieves: mp, doesnt bitmit have those?
ThickAsThieves: or SR
mircea_popescu: i want trader joe;'s specifically
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have no idea tbh
jcpham: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153453.0;topicseen
jcpham: ^ mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: jcpham i like dt's reply
jcpham: ya me too
jcpham: what causes people to share that much info with strangers
mircea_popescu: boredom.
mircea_popescu: i think you underestimate just how empty the average life is.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding midnightmagic's copacetic delusions, the majority of the population lives confined to a vinyl siding box with a lcd screen in it. that's all, all day long, weeks after weeks after weeks.
mircea_popescu: just... empty nothing.
jcpham: i mostly just masterbate
mircea_popescu: master bait ?
mircea_popescu: master bathe ?
jcpham: no i put my hand on my cock
jcpham: and move it around a lot until i orgasm
mircea_popescu: o urcock. with an u :D
jcpham: try it sometime
mircea_popescu: im wrapped up too tight.
skytrader_: hi everyone. Is btc-e down?
jcpham: i'm lying, I've never masterbated in my life
mircea_popescu: hi skytrader_ we dunno. is it ?
skytrader_: I can go to www.btc-e.com but I can't load any other page
jborkl: micrea-popescu, I do not know how you don't strangle puppies after IRC
jborkl: or BCT
mircea_popescu: jborkl cause i cut up rabbits.
jborkl: oh, well -I see
mircea_popescu: https://www.bitinstant.com/
mircea_popescu: Could not connect to remote server
mircea_popescu: am i alone ?
Namworld: yes
Namworld: I hope it's not too lonely out there.
jurov: so, bitcoins end up being considered gateway drug and banned thus? funny
mircea_popescu: jurov ?
mircea_popescu: Hmm, www.bitinstant.com isn't loading right now.
mircea_popescu: The computers that run www.bitinstant.com are having some trouble. Usually this is just a temporary problem, so you might want to try again in a few minutes.
jborkl: butterfly labs getting ddos
mircea_popescu: dude its not even resolving
jurov: saw that thead... guy wanted to invest, lost all to sdice
jurov: oh, why nobody told him to buy s.dice stock? must fix.
Namworld: Would be funny that BFL never delivers...
jborkl: he thought he would invest in less than 1
ThickAsThieves: bitinstant.com Error 21 (net::ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED): Unknown error.
mircea_popescu: Namworld http://browsershots.org/https://www.bitinstant.com/
mircea_popescu: it's mostly not loading.
mircea_popescu: i think they're getting da ddos.
Namworld: oh. I only tried once but it loaded
Namworld: DDoS possibly, yeah
mircea_popescu: you prolly rode the storm
ThickAsThieves: loads now
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you look there, it loaded for like 2% of the browsers. typical ddos sympthom
Namworld: I'll assume someone manipulated the price, sold a bunch near 30-50 and his now trying to impact Bitcoin negatively. But only because I don't like the idea someone would do it for entertainment purposes/spite.
Namworld: I refresh but it loads in like 0.25 seconds here each time.
Namworld: Odd.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837898 = 8.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837899 = 8.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.83799 = 3.352 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: interesting.
Anduck: wtf
Anduck: asicminer is so overrated
Anduck: xD
Anduck: 0.84 for a share
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
Anduck: kidneys?
Anduck: (those were my shares that got sold btw=
Namworld: I could have had 2k if mircea hadn't borrowed them to short long ago xD
jcpham: taking the pools offline at the same time and solomining is probably the most profitable thing you can do
jcpham: seems like no one is trying that anymore
mircea_popescu: lol ya that didn't work too well huh.
mircea_popescu: jcpham how does that work ? spend a week on a block ?
jcpham: well back when things were simpler...
Namworld: oddly enough, A good idea it would appear, but you'd need people to stick to those pools for like a whole difficulty to bring it down.
Namworld: They'd probably all switch to solo
jcpham: you don't need a terahash
Anduck: so umm
Anduck: what do you guys think of ASICMINER share value?
Anduck: i think it's way high...
Namworld: Some think it's undervalued... idk
ThickAsThieves: if the asic release climate remains unchanged, other than asicminer getting 60TH online
ThickAsThieves: its grossly undervalued
ThickAsThieves: but obv Luke Jr will save the day for BFL, he's our HeeRo right?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so far avalons seem to be dominating hashing
mircea_popescu: judging by how unknowns have shrunk the asicminer pools
ThickAsThieves: are they i havent been keeping up i guess
ThickAsThieves: do they mostly use ozcoin?
ThickAsThieves: oh wait
ThickAsThieves: you said uknowns
jborkl: 300 units by 68- should be about 20 th from avalon- depending on what is delivered
tiberiusiv: unknows are like 55-60% of the pool now
jborkl: network is at 39 th
tiberiusiv: how many avalons are already out?
jborkl: how much is asicminer supposed to be?
jborkl: how many th
ThickAsThieves: asic is at 6th i think
ThickAsThieves: asicminer
jborkl: 6th from am- 10 from avalon and the 24 we had before
jborkl: seems about right
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 226060 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1747 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5828967.64264 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.24323
ThickAsThieves: i think there are some other factors to consider re stock values that people aret considering,
ThickAsThieves: that we are spoiled at current interest rates
ThickAsThieves: which will get squeezed to be smaller over time
ThickAsThieves: and which assets will be most resilient to that
ThickAsThieves: asicminer? sdice?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: how they will get squeezed?
ThickAsThieves: more investors
ThickAsThieves: more money being invested overall
jurov: yes, dramatic price increase then... and that's bad thing?
ThickAsThieves: today i can be picky and say and choose from stuff that pays 1%, 2%, 5% per month
ThickAsThieves: but thats so high in the scheme of things
ThickAsThieves: or should i say, compared to wall st
ThickAsThieves: and banks
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00672 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.006711 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: rates will decline on bitcoin investments
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000674 = 0.0013 BTC [-]
jurov: As long as whole thing remains unregulated, there will be new HYIPs, some even legit.
tiberiusiv: without taxes + reg burdens most stock market dividends would be 30-80% higher then they are today
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]