Namworld: Oh, We don't have the infrastructure to handle any large DoS tho, we're relatively a very small host. Not the kind that was being conducted against MPEx. Not sure what you would ahve wanted us to do.
Namworld: It's just not feasible for us to do so.
jurov: Namworld, i wanted you to consider the possibility beforehand. not being caught like a deer in the headlights
jurov: and even then, the ddos was raging for 6 hours till anyone started to do anything with it!!!!
mircea_popescu: if i may, everyone has a point here. in fairness we didnt really know how hot things will get early on. in retrospect it can be said that "well duh, obviously if it can take out mpex's main it will wipe a vps somewhere". but at the time i was busy and i guess nobody else realised it.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand there's never going to be an economical solution to offer vps servers and yet scale it up in case of a serious ddos
mircea_popescu: so practically a vps host can't do much more than "sorry, we can't host you, you're too big".
jurov: well, having an alert for such cases is well within their economical reach... instead of waiting 8 hours till whole dc is in ashes
dub: I think while there could have been a quicker response (and really the pain here is for any other customer of bitvps), a $20 vps is not expected to handle any kind of dos in a way that mitigates the attack for its target
dub: thats just my experience with gettign dos'd on $20 vpsen :)
Namworld: We have 1 server in switzerland.
dub: and yes I took out linodes fremont facility once
dub: because someone wanted my nick on IRC
jurov: okay, it was the server then, not the dc. and yes, i shouldn't have expected any thing else
jurov: but having to wait 6 hours and then another 2 hours fo r the staff trying to figure out if it's really an attack
jurov: that would enrage everyone
mircea_popescu: Mar 07 03:46:04 <jurov> Namworld if this causes to overstep my bitvps bandwidth, or causes bitvps to be included in ddos outright
mircea_popescu: Mar 07 03:48:14 <Namworld> i would be surprised, jurov
jurov: ^exactly this i was speaking about
mircea_popescu: well... he promised to be surprised, he was surprised. no scam.
Namworld: ... that's not really the point
Namworld: But apparently yes, words got out quickly and it was DDoS'ed too.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it doesn't look like there's much more anyone could have done practically.
Namworld: We only have a few nodes, we might be the most popular host in BTC zone but that's quite small a clientbase.
jurov: well, but if you don't want to host anything critical, where does this leave you?
jurov: irc knitting group with some hosting slapped on?
mircea_popescu: jurov listen, pretty much nobody offers off the shelf ddos proof hosting
Namworld: It actually is very expensive. Pretty much any host will kick someone getting DDoSed outright. Not that it's something we'd wish to do, but it's not economically feasible at the cost VPSes/Shared hosting are billed.
Namworld: and we are pretty much salvaging RG's business which was barely breaken even. There's no money for 24/7 staff and we all have to work on it outside our day job/etc.
Namworld: We're already moving out of rented servers and have bought dedicated servers. We'll be upgrading and consolidating.
mircea_popescu: Namworld it's a best effort business, we get it. perhaps the only improvement is to have an internal messaging system somehow, so if you hear ddos early warning it can be used somehow
Namworld: But we're pretty much investing in a business that was in the red.
Namworld: Once we get our own servers instead of renting, we'll be in the green. For now we're focused on doing that and moving clients.
Namworld: Once that is done we can start improving services.
Namworld: But there's still a lot of work ahead.
jurov: to be honest, i was thinking about moving somewhere else back after december outage
jurov: but couldn't get any good advice except to pay heavy $$$
dub: I would only go with big name brand for a vps
Namworld: The switzerland node we have has been getting many issues at the DC level. We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe.
dub: there are so many 2 bit (!) shops out there
Namworld: For US we're consolidating clients in New York on owned servers.
dub: jurov: not to be rude, and this is why I still use linode, you can't expect any $20 vps to handle anything critical
jurov: okay okay, i'm not complaining about that
jurov: i have just issue with communication and delays
jurov: but prolly that's to be expected for $40 vps, too...
Namworld: Well we hope to be able to be staffed 24/7 later on.
kakobrekla: >We might drop it altogether and have to find another node to rent for Europe.
dub: good, cheap, fast, pick two
parseval: Beyond mitigation steps with firewall software, you could architect the web app to easily scale to multiple servers, then toss in nodes from AWS on demand during an attack. A bit pricey, but if the question is whether you pay more or shut down...
mircea_popescu: parseval software firewalls weren't even being touched, routers got it.
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jurov: RandolphDuke btc-tc is exchange not broker
jurov: and you did not say your criteria
jurov: these are passthroughs backed by mpex assets
RandolphDuke: from what i take it btc-tc takes 5% of the dividend ammount
jurov: coinbr is not asking a fee for receiving dividends, but asks 0.09/month flat
RandolphDuke: what about reputation, is coinbr the same people as mpex?
jurov: no, i'm coinbr owner, mircea_popescu is mpex owner
dub: he has a good reputation
jurov: it's discussed extensively on bitointalk, lemme dig it...
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.53 = 2.12 BTC [-]
smickles: RandolphDuke: i believe that coinbr is the only mpex broker with a website
smickles: and, ugg, i just installed a proper ssl cert ... now apache wont start
smickles: and i can't find any useful error in the logs
kakobrekla: Inaba: My open offer for a bet: BFL will ship the promised products within a reasonable time frame (as determined by a reputable member of this community, I propose Casascius). I offer BTC from 100 BTC to 2000 BTC. I am also willing to accept the domain name joshzerlan.com in lieu of BTC on the part of Bryan Micon.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : make an alias for josh-zerlan.com on bitbet's server
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smickles: how am i supposed to fix something when there are no errormessages or logs?
mircea_popescu: smickles join the club, my sysadmin ppls have been wrangling with something exactly liek that for 3 days now.
smickles: mircea_popescu: but this should be simple, and common. I'm sure many people install ssl certs
Troic: selinux / strace are your friends and foe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00072543 / 0.00072578 / 0.00072614 (22480 shares, 16.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074098 / 0.00076718 (769435 shares, 570.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069589 / 0.00078628 (43419967 shares, 30,215.69 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00584763 / 0.00599987 (473 shares, 2.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613776 / 0.0069 (2392891 shares, 14,687.00 BTC)
smickles: the internet is so useful: "Wow after hours of digging I finally found the solution thanks to a post by rajanichand Here what I did in
httpd.conf I commented out the SSLCACertificateFile line and it worked."
smickles: unfortunately, i don't think i have the right kind of mind for that solution
smickles: and i've come across a handfull of "UPDATE: i fixed it after finding _this_line_ in som OTHER logs" But they never say what logs those were
jurov: smickles, you don't have passphrase set on key?
jurov: so that apache is stopping somewhere and waiting for it
smickles: jurov: i believe i do have a passphrase set on the key
jurov: get rid of it.. you can add it later if desired
smickles: could it be stopping and waiting for me to type it in somehow?
jurov: yes tat's exactly what it does
jurov: some openssl magic invocation
smickles: i will send you a tip if this works
smickles: hmm, i'm going to have to send a new csr to those guys now, arn't i
smickles: jurov: give me an addy, it worked.
smickles: but now, the thing that prompted me to do this is giveing another error
smickles: blockchain.info's api making a callback to my server
smickles: their java install doesn't seem to think my cert is a good cert
jurov: nromal browser is not complaining?
jurov: does apache provide all certs in chain or only the your one and the CA?
jurov: i remember i had to add them all cause some browser was unhappy
smickles: SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/PositiveSSL.ca-bundle
smickles: is that what you're talking about?
jurov: yea that should work
smickles: yeah, it's in there, and has been in there
jurov: i dunno. so 1DzxV3arKg22TfVYx4nw1rLFJmjLTnXHi7 then
jurov: maybe you'll have to import them into java then
smickles: lol, yeah, import my cert into their java. anyway, sent :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: when 'they' try to send a callback to my server, their software gives them "Error sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target" and gives up
jurov: lol maybe their java is outdated
smickles: wtf, would they really be on 1.5?
Bowjob: my electrum wallet doesnt appear to work lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.”
smickles: mircea_popescu: don't love AJ, it's a sin
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1555 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15199 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15021 = 0.3004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.1502 = 0.9012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.15 = 3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “Altruism does not mean mere kindness or generosity, but the sacrifice of the best among men to the worst, the sacrifice of virtues to flaws, of ability to incompetence, of progress to stagnation--and the subordinating of all life and of all values to the claims of anyone's suffering.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.53000000 / 0.54966167 / 0.57000000 (60 shares, 32.97970000 BTC), 7D: 0.44000006 / 0.56318428 / 0.61999910 (735 shares, 413.94044920 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.62515082 / 0.75900000 (5260 shares, 3288.29329337 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00569985 / 0.00570109 / 0.00599986 (241 shares, 1.37 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00575556 / 0.006 (50044 shares, 288.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613751 / 0.0069 (2388391 shares, 14,658.80 BTC)
smickles: jurov: phantomcircuit nailed the second issue, my server wasn't providing enough of the cert chain, browsers just dl the missing parts, java needs the whole thing spoon-fed to it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.769994 = 15.3999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769996 = 3.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00574 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, actually i do think it's funny, but it sends a bad message
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
dub: did you see my link before?
dub: be fun to set two points in london and try to navigate at full zoom
dub: tbh I spent ten minutes looking for porn and gave up
dub: probably need to refamiliarise myself with the best socioeconomic direction
dub: its been 30 odd years since I've been there
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Human progress exists because people cooperate together, and are nice to each other. The peoples whose nature is to prey on other humans, to cast them away, or to be mercenary, these are destructive elements. People who are destructive while pretending their acts select for greater fitness is a perversion of the nature of Darwinism which does not, in fact, match reality.
mircea_popescu: you equivocate plenty in there. progress does not exist. humans do live comfortably because they cooperate, but this does have no relation to being nice.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Nor is courtesy and kindness in the face of cruelty anything I would espouse.
midnightmagic: Progress does exist in the form of higher standards of living, freedom, and the advancement of human knowledge and science.
mircea_popescu: standards of living have been collapsing ever since welfarism (which is a good example of the nice/cooperation confusion)
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If you would like to make a specific point about altruism rather than make quotation-like assertions, I would be happy to entertain it.
mircea_popescu: the only way that collapse can be hidden is by avoiding reference to objective standard.
midnightmagic: And I would say that those who prey on other humans and run confidence games with them are more responsible for the destruction you think outweighs the progress humans have made in science and medicine.
mircea_popescu: now let's take your progress apart. fewer people can read in the us today than did in 1913.
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem states one or both of us is, at that point, being irrational.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fewer people die today in good health than did in 1913
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.53 = 7.95 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: That is a statement which is pointless: more people live longer, in better health than in 1913.
mircea_popescu: also, you perhaps hold aumann in too high a regard. he's a minor bayesian, which is another way to say nonsense.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic only if you measure these like the us govt measures unemployment.
mircea_popescu: take something inconvenient, like people who died of cancer before age 18.
midnightmagic: I'm no sure you understand what Bayesian reasoning is at this point.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you lack the cognitive trappings that'd allow you to evaluate that meta-point, so let's allow it to go silent.
midnightmagic: You make a nonsense assertion about Bayesian reasoning being nonsense and then tell me I'm incapable of cognition for saying you're making ignorant comments?
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the theorem you cite refers to something very speciffic.
mircea_popescu: you are applying it with no consideration given to the conditions of validity it contains
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The population of the world also went up. Your statements of statistics are flawed, and either you're doing it on purpose and waiting for me to mock you, or you really do think these things, in which case I .. well I'm not sure where to go from there.
midnightmagic: If population itself rises by x%, and you say number of cancer cases have increased by x%, you are actually saying cancer *rates* have remained static.
mircea_popescu: listen, the reason i phrased that way is not because of a misunderstanding of statistics, as you seem inclined to conveniently surmise.
mircea_popescu: it's because i presupposed in your usage of "progress" that you do not look at percents but absolutes.
midnightmagic: I surmise but not conclude, as you'll note in my previous comment about the possibilities of why you're doing that.
mircea_popescu: (yes, surmise but not conclude. which is specifically why i used that word and not the other. i'm trying to help you judge here.)
mircea_popescu: but let us better understand this notion of progress you use, because after all it's so messed up by commoners chewing on it.
midnightmagic: Well, it does free me up to mock your "my success by my measure makes me right" bias.
mircea_popescu: so : if situation A is that 100 people die yearly in forest fires and situation B is that 3 people die yearly in forest fires but one person is kidnapped and tortured to death as a religious practice which causes the reduction in forest fires casualities, is a movement from A to B progress in your view ?
BitHub: gday maaaaate, how the bloody hell are ya?
midnightmagic: Human longevity has increased; human standards of living have increased; human freedom to pursue a healthy happy life is greater than it ever was; human knowledge is at its greatest peak in all of history; human treatment of disease is greater and more effective than it has ever been, ever in all history; human notions of morality and ethics (on the whole) are greater than they have ever been.
midnightmagic: I literally don't have an answer for your contrived example.
mircea_popescu: perhaps human notions of morality and ethics aren't quite as developed as all that.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps you're not quite up to the reading, seeing how it's both ancient and banal an example.
midnightmagic: They are. We have natural rights now that humans have never had for basically all of recorded history.
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midnightmagic: It's a stupid philosophical example with no bearing on my assertion.
mircea_popescu: where they mean anything they're false, where they're not false they're meaningless.
mircea_popescu: for that matter the raw raw raw we are the best the sun has ever seen is possibly the oldest rabble rousing talk ever. older than Athens for sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess for some views that constitutes proof of progress.
mircea_popescu: so nothing really, it's a little amusing, you'll grow out of it.
mircea_popescu: people have never been this smart and yet men your age have never been this childish.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: So desperately certain; so patronizing. And you continue to rail against that which you have no control over; ineffective. Shouting into the wind.
mircea_popescu: hm, if you won't think the question too much proof of my many and varied shortcomings,
midnightmagic: Pretend you are my better then. I'm confident you don't grow out of that no matter how true or untrue it may be.
mircea_popescu: why do you presume to guess my emotional state ? does it help something ?
midnightmagic: Dinner time. Have fun talking to your echo chamber.
jborkl: Emotions hinder rational thought
mircea_popescu: well that's true. but he already got slapped once with the entire statistics thing. you'd expect people a little quicker on their feet.
mircea_popescu: presume you don't understand what's being said because of the other person once, get shown better, stop making the assumption. at least for a wittle while.
jborkl: That seems reasonable to me
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: standards of living in developed countries have barely budged in 50 years outside of major improvements in communications
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: with all the productivity gains the government has said weve made over 50 years, 8 hours of work per week should be enough to afford a 1950's standard of living, yet today 2 income earners are required just to make ends meet
midnightmagic: RandolphDuke: That's not true at all re: not budged in 50 years.
RandolphDuke: name an innovation in the last 30 years that has improved your life other then the internet
RandolphDuke: all of those are merely improvements of existing technology
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seriously tho, people need about 3 average incomes now to maintain a 1950s lifestyle. in the 80s needed two.
RandolphDuke: some households already have their kids working part time
RandolphDuke: the government has siphoned off the productivity gains through inflation/taxation and transfered them into none-return bearing investments
mircea_popescu: the us financed nothing in particular, a buncha lossy wars.
RandolphDuke: european union is just a secular version of the holy roman empire
mircea_popescu: i think that's what they hoped it to be, but it didn't work out.
RandolphDuke: infact its probably even worse now, since at least the emperors still feared divine punishment somewhat
midnightmagic: 1910 literacy rate: 7.7% = 92m * 1-0.077=84m, 2013 literacy rates for the US: 99% = 313m * 0.99 =309.9m 309.9m > 84m.
midnightmagic: Oh, sure. Make up a definition that makes you right.
mircea_popescu: want me to pick up the reports that kids going to college today need to take basic literacy ?
RandolphDuke: what i find most amusing about the US, is if you actually research what the so called tyrants extracted from the population it was roughly 5-10% of annual income
midnightmagic: Anecdote proves everything, I always say. Right mircea?
mircea_popescu: it's just they're carefully avoided when the statistics are made.
mircea_popescu: just like the uynemployed doesn't include the homeless
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: go pull up a newspaper from 100-200 years ago and compare it to one today, the level of language was far higher + the ammount of information per page was astonishing
midnightmagic: Only if you mind me calling you fluffy the unicorn.
RandolphDuke: midnightmagic: if people were so well educated the unemployment rate wouldnt be as high, they would be able to figure out how to be productive from all their knowledge
mircea_popescu: for that matter i know you live in de soto, wisconsin, and that you collect, and what, and when you dated, and a whole other pile of stuff.
mircea_popescu: i got it all because i asked, half hour ago or whatever.
midnightmagic: Is this another one of those things that isn't translating into English so well?
mircea_popescu: it's a bizzare question, what, they shoot canadians in wisconsin ? or how should i know anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00599963 = 0.8999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00072139 = 2.1642 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 261 @ 0.005199 = 1.3569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00072139 = 4.653 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00071103 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00071102 = 1.4931 BTC [-]
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 5 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.39999, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 47.39999, 24 hour volume: 31666.06954211, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.99000, 24 hour vwap: 47.29517
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask|bid|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message)
MJR_: hmmm what's the command to see how many dollars to move to 48?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 158 @ 0.1 = 15.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything either
mircea_popescu: you know i can't see your name without thinking of portia de rossi
mjr_: yeah...just not sure if I want people to associate me with a hot blonde lesbian
mircea_popescu: and actually, talk about a trophy wife : she's maried to degeneres.
mircea_popescu: NOT the virtues of bitcoin. the fascinating fact that one of them got some.
mjr_: max keiser is hilarious
mjr_: so, I was thinking an assurance contract could be a good way to start a unified clearing process for exchanges
mjr_: where m is 2/3 of n
mjr_: seems to me, that that is the only way you rival gox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00599963 = 2.9998 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 26 seconds
smickles: i would've used bitpay, but they still haven't responded to my application and the certainly didn't respond b/f i had 90% finished my own system
smickles: ya know, it really says something about their business if *i* can code a functional replacement for them before they even respond to me
smickles: they did ask about volume tho, maybe they just see me as too small of a fish
mjr_: the finance guys I work with are like send it to India
mjr_: im like you don't get it...this is the fun part
mjr_: interesting convo in OTC
smickles: heh, i had a lot of fun earlier getting and installing a 'proper' ssl cert
smickles: mjr_: well, i didn't wan't to go with one of those 'free' providers, and my self-signed just wasn't cutting it anymore
mjr_: what's the site, is it live?
mjr_: how do you see the banner?
mjr_: was looking for motd or something
smickles: also, usually the topic has more in it than a url
mjr_: lol so much drama pretty much on every channel and forum
mjr_: I scurry back to bitcoin-assets
smickles: I've heard people say that it's not true that bitcoin isn't backed by anything; it's backed by drama.
mjr_: can't wait for a btc reality show
mjr_: you could have an amazing drama on amc about bitcoins
mjr_: miners, exchanges, Silk Road retailers
mjr_: so many stories to tell
Ukto: anyone taken a loan on btcjam? i have some question on it
coingenuity: Ukto: from what i've seen btcjam is uh...dubious at best
coingenuity: once in a while something legit-seeming pops up, but given the rest of the loans on there...eh
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.60551, Best ask: 47.10799, Bid-ask spread: 0.50248, Last trade: 46.99588, 24 hour volume: 30482.99861105, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.96000, 24 hour vwap: 47.17570
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.31 = 1.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
smickles: alright, I think I'll be launching the MPEx GUI tomorrow (today after i sleep and such)
Ukto: than a native passtru
Bowjob: ahahah stupid americans
jurov: of course live.coinbr.com shows nothing
jurov: Unterminated comment starting line 6 in <b>/home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php</b> on line <b>6</b>
jurov: mircea_popescu: check ur error logs
oizotov: is there a site from which i can download the whole blockchain ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [-]
jurov: oizotov, there's a torrent
oizotov: i dont need bootstrap.dat im using old client and i need blk000X.dat
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.344 BTC [-]
oizotov: i dont find any mirror that works i tried to download them with the client its running 4-5 days already and havent finished downloading it ...
jurov: oizotov, use 0.8 then
jurov: it's *not* broken, not even for mining, if blocksize limit stays unchanged
oizotov: my wallet doesnt load in 0.8 some version mismatch i guess
jurov: pls ask in #bitcoin-dev then...
jurov: lol mpoe-pr immediately chimed in... she could have added "we dispensed of this problem completely, mpex withdrawals are deprecated."
Anduck: lol i don't see ANY problem with that mtgox announcement
Anduck: btc price indeed has gone up
Anduck: like 3x from the long-lasting 10-4usd
Anduck: so isn't it quite clear that they will fix the limits too?
Anduck: well, what is the problem, then? =I
Anduck: the real withdrawal limit value is still bigger than it was with the 200 btc border
kakobrekla: if you dont have one doesnt mean it isnt there.
Anduck: well i can't even think of a problem so yeah...
Anduck: that's also true they should now fix their fee structure, too
Anduck: maybe they had to lower the withdrawal limit cuz of some aml things?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00072397 = 0.181 BTC [+]
markedathome: if it is an aml thing then they should tie the withdrawal limits to 7 day vwap equivalent of USD limits.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.5201 = 5.201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.5200001 = 7.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.511 = 2.555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.5102 = 7.1428 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.5101 = 4.0808 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: is there any where the BTC trading newb can go for learning the ropes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 200 @ 0.51 = 102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.5005 = 4.5045 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: the help here is not really for the newb
ZedsterX: you guys are very much in your own little all knowing group
kakobrekla: are you asking for yourself or someone else'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 106 @ 0.5003 = 53.0318 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: looking for stuff like chart reading and basics
kakobrekla: well for chart reading you can ask Enky
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.168 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: yeah i saw that sight yesterday guess i should read up there...thanks Kako
kakobrekla: yeah enky is around here or join #bit4x, more techincal stuff is discussed there
ZedsterX: VWAP? see right there i'm lost....also aren't basic day trading how-to sites helpful for the basics?
ZedsterX: well S.DICE has already taught me my first lesson...that is the reason for interest
ZedsterX: yep i am moving to the tablet for some reading...thanks again sir
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ZedsterX bug Enky if you have issues understanding
ZedsterX: will do ...and i'll tell you sent me :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 / 0.00599963 (650 shares, 3.90 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00576119 / 0.006 (50615 shares, 291.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613748 / 0.0069 (2388881 shares, 14,661.72 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769999 = 1.54 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.29098, Best ask: 47.34967, Bid-ask spread: 0.05869, Last trade: 47.29098, 24 hour volume: 29361.03478444, 24 hour low: 46.05000, 24 hour high: 47.90000, 24 hour vwap: 47.08799
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.00575 = 0.069 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51111382 / 0.57000000 (427 shares, 218.24560150 BTC), 7D: 0.46050000 / 0.55100234 / 0.61999910 (1008 shares, 555.41036353 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61443452 / 0.75900000 (5555 shares, 3413.18378474 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.153 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.152 = 0.304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.15001 = 0.7501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: usagi: People like what I am doing or they wouldn't invest.
kakobrekla: sorry, a > missing there, first line is a quote.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.0051 = 0.0765 BTC [-]
deadweasel: investing in metals doesn't make one an idiot, but trading btc for it is.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00555 = 0.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.769999 = 2.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.77 = 11.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 100 @ 0.77 = 77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.789999 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+]
jurov: so i went on to research bit more about coinlab.. have to wade through bullshit like:
jurov: When our team discussed how to tackle these issues in the US, it seemed clear that Mt. Gox had by far the best security record in the Bitcoin exchange landscape.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.79 = 5.53 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: since they are so good at security we decided to take that role out of their hands for all US customers
imsaguy: you aren't supposed to read that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.13151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1012 = 0.3036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00073667 = 2.5047 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 57 @ 0.51 = 29.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.82 = 16.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 1.83 = 12.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.5715 = 4.0005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.572 = 1.716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57377777 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.575 = 5.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5849999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.2 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 15 @ 1.3999 = 20.9985 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.79 = 23.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.79 = 19.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51471736 / 0.59000000 (523 shares, 269.19717916 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55025058 / 0.61999910 (1102 shares, 606.37614115 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61284029 / 0.75900000 (5666 shares, 3472.35306240 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.79 = 6.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.398 = 3.184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.59 = 2.36 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "NOTE: For your security, we automatically lock domain names 30 days after unlocking." Thanks GoDaddy...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.59999 = 8.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.599999 = 5.4 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;calc 0.21253985/[ticker --last]
smickles: ;;calc 0.21253985*[ticker --last]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.159 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16439 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.50030000 / 0.51892185 / 0.59999900 (550 shares, 285.40702016 BTC), 7D: 0.50030000 / 0.55155534 / 0.61999910 (1129 shares, 622.70598217 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.61271479 / 0.75900000 (5692 shares, 3487.57260040 BTC)
jurov: uh, mktdepth for live.coinbr still broken... should i duct tape it or wait for mircea?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007249 = 2.3559 BTC [-]
jurov: SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
jurov: [Break On This Error]
jurov: , 610]]}, "X.IDIFF.SEP": {"S": [[235000000, 10]], "B": []}});
jurov: the code still isn't valid
jurov: ah it begins with JurovP(JurovP({
jurov: thanks for mentioning me twice, not necessary :D
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX you'll be well advised to remember chart reading as in, technical analysis is far from being accepted like newtonian mechanics is.
ThickAsThieves: basically chart reading can be voodoo or hindsight 20/20 a lot of the time
jurov: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /home/polimedi/public_html/bitcoin/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php on line 37
ZedsterX: no one was complaining about anything
jurov: mircea, just deprecate it :P
ZedsterX: i was asking for help...which as this proves this is not the place to do it
ThickAsThieves: Zed, mp is just saying, in your efforts to educate yourself, remember that chart reading isnt always reliable
mircea_popescu: or at least that's what they'e telling me in a doomed attempt to avoid the firing squad
ZedsterX: but it is an essential part of trading none the less
jurov: \o/ live is working... but no trades happened today? argh
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX doesn't have to be really. anyway, hard to know what is ofcourse and what isn't ofcourse from yoru pov, ya know ?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00071102 = 4.6543 BTC [-
ZedsterX: so then I put my question to you all knowing MP...where is a good place to read up on trading basics?
iz: ZedsterX: do you want to get into technical charts or what?
ThickAsThieves: Zed, you could always ask specific questions here while you educate yourself
ZedsterX: I was just looking for help ...trust me it won't happen again here
ThickAsThieves: rather than "how do i learn" you could ask "What is the diff between a green bar and a red bar" or such
iz: particularly what all the technical indicators are suppose to mean
ThickAsThieves: i dont think any of us meant to tell you to gtfo w your Qs
ThickAsThieves: matter of fact you were given specific people to talk to too
ZedsterX: not trying to start shit at all
jurov: mircea_popescu: did you test it? noe it's unparsable
ZedsterX: i try to keep my mouth shut here and pick up stuff just to avoid this very thing
mircea_popescu: jurov i was looking at it a moment ago, it came up as rss. lesee
jurov: okay but firefox suddenly insists on displaying as text
jurov: can't find out why
jurov: ah yes, it says Content-Type: text/html
jurov: never mind, coinbr script parses it fine
ZedsterX: so here's a specific question....dump S.DICE or hope for a comeback later in the month?
jurov: mircea,np, it's ok. and don't forget to add stacktraces/ php code dumps on error. they're really helpful xD
ZedsterX: i know nothing...i will wait until I know wtf i am talking about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.999 = 3.998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov normally server responds with a fu on error, but this is the new stuff that's still being debugged
ZedsterX: where can you see an estimate of comi9ng dividends?
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX there's dooglus' stuff which is pretty interesting
mircea_popescu: and obviously there's no rule saying it has to do in the future what it did in the past.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's it ahead so far for march ? like 1-2k ?
ZedsterX: ok i uderstand all that...so maybe I am not as dumb as i thought
ThickAsThieves: but sensible numbers dont seem to affect sdice share price
ZedsterX: i noticed that too and thought I was reading something wrong
mircea_popescu: when s.dice does well operationally, shares sell and price goes up
mircea_popescu: when it does poorly nobody is selling so trading freezes pretty much
mircea_popescu: it's as if there's group A which wants to buy cheap and hold forever and group B which wants to daytrade
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i'm old and i retire i'll write a book about the strange edge cases at the end of regulation in free mkt.
ThickAsThieves: if you are holding long term (which is a fantasy in bitcoin imo)
ThickAsThieves: but erik doesnt wanna grow any faster than he is it seems
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <evoorhees> it's how resilient btc is in the face of them that matters
ThickAsThieves: seems to be focusing more on his personal brand right now
ZedsterX: isn't he tied with coinbase somehow also?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 "Due to the high number of signups, we will not be able to accept new users."
ZedsterX: i wanna say coinbase or something like that...heck what do i know
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a small community, pretty much everyone knows everyone, but otherwise...
ZedsterX: mircea_popescu: your in europe right?
ZedsterX: so why is there no BitInstant equivalent in EU? or do some countries? IE go to a store and pay cash for BTC instantly. I know Denmark doesn't
mircea_popescu: you transfer funds to them isntantly and get bitcoin. sepa zone only, but miles ahead of mtgox and all the rest.
mircea_popescu: and they're properly registered (which nobody else is)
ZedsterX: if i sepa from my online bank its queued for up to 24 hours
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.85111, Best ask: 46.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.13889, Last trade: 46.99000, 24 hour volume: 18791.39020569, 24 hour low: 46.35000, 24 hour high: 47.47999, 24 hour vwap: 47.08453
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX i know it's specified as "up to 24 hours" but in practice i've yet not had a transfer not be instant.
ZedsterX: sweet i will check it out ..only business days though right?
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering what zee american folk put up with the weeks of mtgox/coinlab/etc...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00545 = 0.109 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.00545 = 0.06 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: not sure if this is a silly question, but in BTCT's Analysis area, when i sell a share, which value does it use to determine the value of that one share if I paid various prices and own many?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.79 = 7.11 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so it would take the amount i sold it for, subtract from the total current value and divide by whats left to give me my average
mircea_popescu: this aggregates into a qt, pt pair which is qt = sum qi ; pt = sum pi *qi / sum qi
mircea_popescu: course, i'm just saying it'd be logical... have no idea how they actually do it.
Ukto: posted, thanks again MP. going back to sleep
jurov: mircea_popescu u have instant sepa transfers to france? O.o
ThickAsThieves: find a game you think has a appropriate art and find out who they worked with
jurov: you have osme private bank, no?
jurov: ZedsterX, i have to wait 1-2 days. but the fee is 20 cents at most, no problem
smickles: anyone here have a windows machine, an mpex account and a willingness to see if my mpex gui windows package will work on their system?
smickles: alright jurov, i'll setup a link to the file and pm it to ya
jurov: i have only xp here. guess kako has sth better
Namworld: Just joking. Nice to see a GUI being made.
jurov: so we can both test
Doffx: mpex account still 50 btc?
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
Doffx: No, I do not Namworld.
jborkl: smicklies, i can give it a try also
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00545 = 0.0109 BTC [+]
jurov: moment, he has to redo it... unpacked it, the win directory was full with .so files and ELF binaries :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11606 @ 0.00073181 = 8.4934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7714 @ 0.00073435 = 5.6648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1475 @ 0.0058822 = 8.6762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 586 @ 0.00073435 = 0.4303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00073667 = 1.0313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.0007407 = 5.8804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8594 @ 0.00074616 = 6.4125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00076706 = 0.7671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 481 @ 0.00076717 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.79 = 11.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.55 = 3.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]
jcpham: what causes people to share that much info with strangers
mircea_popescu: i think you underestimate just how empty the average life is.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding midnightmagic's copacetic delusions, the majority of the population lives confined to a vinyl siding box with a lcd screen in it. that's all, all day long, weeks after weeks after weeks.
jcpham: i mostly just masterbate
jcpham: no i put my hand on my cock
jcpham: and move it around a lot until i orgasm
jcpham: i'm lying, I've never masterbated in my life
skytrader_: I can go to www.btc-e.com but I can't load any other page
jborkl: micrea-popescu, I do not know how you don't strangle puppies after IRC
Namworld: I hope it's not too lonely out there.
jurov: so, bitcoins end up being considered gateway drug and banned thus? funny
mircea_popescu: The computers that run www.bitinstant.com are having some trouble. Usually this is just a temporary problem, so you might want to try again in a few minutes.
jborkl: butterfly labs getting ddos
jurov: saw that thead... guy wanted to invest, lost all to sdice
jurov: oh, why nobody told him to buy s.dice stock? must fix.
Namworld: Would be funny that BFL never delivers...
jborkl: he thought he would invest in less than 1
ThickAsThieves: bitinstant.com Error 21 (net::ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED): Unknown error.
Namworld: oh. I only tried once but it loaded
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you look there, it loaded for like 2% of the browsers. typical ddos sympthom
Namworld: I'll assume someone manipulated the price, sold a bunch near 30-50 and his now trying to impact Bitcoin negatively. But only because I don't like the idea someone would do it for entertainment purposes/spite.
Namworld: I refresh but it loads in like 0.25 seconds here each time.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837898 = 8.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.837899 = 8.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.83799 = 3.352 BTC [+]
Anduck: asicminer is so overrated
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.005199 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
Anduck: (those were my shares that got sold btw=
Namworld: I could have had 2k if mircea hadn't borrowed them to short long ago xD
jcpham: taking the pools offline at the same time and solomining is probably the most profitable thing you can do
jcpham: seems like no one is trying that anymore
jcpham: well back when things were simpler...
Namworld: oddly enough, A good idea it would appear, but you'd need people to stick to those pools for like a whole difficulty to bring it down.
Namworld: They'd probably all switch to solo
jcpham: you don't need a terahash
Anduck: what do you guys think of ASICMINER share value?
Anduck: i think it's way high...
Namworld: Some think it's undervalued... idk
ThickAsThieves: if the asic release climate remains unchanged, other than asicminer getting 60TH online
ThickAsThieves: but obv Luke Jr will save the day for BFL, he's our HeeRo right?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so far avalons seem to be dominating hashing
mircea_popescu: judging by how unknowns have shrunk the asicminer pools
jborkl: 300 units by 68- should be about 20 th from avalon- depending on what is delivered
tiberiusiv: unknows are like 55-60% of the pool now
jborkl: how much is asicminer supposed to be?
jborkl: 6th from am- 10 from avalon and the 24 we had before
gribble: Current Blocks: 226060 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 1747 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5828967.64264 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.24323
ThickAsThieves: i think there are some other factors to consider re stock values that people aret considering,
jurov: ThickAsThieves: how they will get squeezed?
jurov: yes, dramatic price increase then... and that's bad thing?
ThickAsThieves: today i can be picky and say and choose from stuff that pays 1%, 2%, 5% per month
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00672 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.006711 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: rates will decline on bitcoin investments
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000674 = 0.0013 BTC [-]
jurov: As long as whole thing remains unregulated, there will be new HYIPs, some even legit.
tiberiusiv: without taxes + reg burdens most stock market dividends would be 30-80% higher then they are today
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]