gribble: There are currently 36649783 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9609689.18993 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0173 seconds
jborkl: well, if I need my btcoins next week I will worry about it then
Bugpowder__: asset correlation approaches 1 in periods of crisis
jurov: yes everyone has poor understanding, except you
jborkl: Jurov, I guess you are a dumbass
jborkl: how many Bitcoins do you have Jurov- seem to doing ok I think
jurov: well, whole notion that ppl will sell en masse btc to buy us tresury bonds seems utterly ridiculous
jurov: they will use all fiat and other assets to do so , not btc
Bugpowder__: tiberiusiv: the problem I have is that half of what you are saying makes perfect sense, but the other half is taking things quite a bit past what I consider reasonable
jborkl: oyu think - sp500 and bitcon price are related
jborkl: you can read anything into a chart
jurov: yes but you reason that the correlation is caused bby credit contractions and us treasury bonds
jurov: nice, so you've got two data point?
Bugpowder__: Your explaination would make more sense if BTC was already established, had a market cap of >10BB
Bugpowder__: I think other forces are driving BTCUSD here
Bugpowder__: now these forces may be correlated to a macro sentiment shift
jborkl: World economy over $70 trilliion
jborkl: you shut up with nonsense
MJR_: tiberiusiv: i think we are all adults and know what we are doing
MJR_: srsly, for someone who hangs out in btc forums...he is constantly going on about how bad of an investment they are
MJR_: oh no, i'm scared of volatility
Bugpowder__: It's almost time for a ponzi chart update.
jurov: yes, only if he could be baited to short... but no
MJR_: i'm like just go short if you are so bearish
MJR_: the most annoying people in the world don't practice what they preach
Bugpowder__: I express all my investments as shares in a 'fund'
jborkl: maybe he should have shorted it with iambakell
MJR_: he offered smickles a bet that was without escrow two years from now
Bugpowder__: I don't think I can legally offer investments outside of that group
MJR_: its a grey area...investment pools have different regulations from something offered to the public or qualified invvestors
MJR_: anyone know of a fix library for python?
MJR_: fixlib seems to be broken somehow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4068 @ 0.00063341 = 2.5767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2555 @ 0.00449992 = 11.4973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00449997 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00449998 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2879 @ 0.00449999 = 12.9555 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01501 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.68 = 6.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.6499 BTC [+]
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user diana_coman has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 36 @ 0.68 = 24.48 BTC [-]
dub: no girls on internets
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.68 = 2.72 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: wow, I think gmaxwell is a shill for bfl
Azelphur: wow, I think Diablo-D3 is a shill for Ubuntu
Diablo-D3: Azelphur: I heard they're ending the ubuntu distro sometime in the next year or two
Azelphur: I didn't hear this, this makes me sad, especially as I'm currently wearing my Ubuntu tshirt
Diablo-D3: yeah, they wanna focus on being a hardware… whatever it is they think they're doing
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 100 @ 0.65 = 65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.009989 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.00999 = 0.0699 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, someone asked how many customers coinbr has
jurov: it's between 50-100 active accounts
jurov: but whole coinbr is bigger that bitfinsex by a healthy margin
MJR_: huh, they are really ending ubuntu?
iz: i parsed "bitfinsex" incorrectly when scanning this scrollback..
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 60 @ 0.7 = 42 BTC [+]
dub: Diablo-D3 is right gmax is a bfl shill
Diablo-D3: dub: er, since when did you agree with me on anything?
dub: I've been banned from -mining for >6 months for suggesting their shipping schedule may not be accurate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00063879 = 3.6092 BTC [+]
dub: presumably he is getting paid in blowjobs from Luke-Jr
dub: or some other bfl shill PT
Diablo-D3: Im just going to stand back and let the whole thing collapse, really
Diablo-D3: people sometimes just refuse to learn
KRS1: i never understood the need for ubuntu *cough debian* anyway..
Diablo-D3: Ive been using debian for like 15 years
KRS1: glad to hear that..one less linux distro
dub: debian is good for when you want to actually use linux and not just be a douche
Diablo-D3: although I dont like how they're discussing moving to systemd
Diablo-D3: if that happens, I think I may jump to alpine =/
dub: at some point most people outgrow douchery and realise debian is jesus
dub: unless they are freebsd douches who will always remain so
KRS1: lol sounds like someone didnt ever grow out of their training OS
dub: pray tell what is your preffered *nix KRS1?
KRS1: why tell you so i can be another douche
mircea_popescu: sweet, we haven't had a holy war here in like a month.
jurov: tiberius isn't war... although produced quite a flood tho
jurov: so when bitcoin stops rising there will be credit (among other things) crunch
mircea_popescu: holy war = "apple is better than windoze" "no slackware is better than sarge"
jurov: or was it other way round?
dub: gentoo is the slamming your cock and balls in a door of linux
jurov: yeah feels so gooood
jurov: especially the hardened variety
MJR_: fuck...debian is the purest linux there really is
MJR_: don't know about ubuntu...not a big fan
MJR_: but fuck yum and that bullshit
jurov: debian is fine...but i have to compile newer stuff on it all the time anyway
MJR_: to me it seems like they just reinvent the wheel in a lot of the others
MJR_: or make things so niche that like one guy is like "this is perfect!"
MJR_: but srsly, debian works, its simple and you can make it do anything...just how i like my women
jurov: oh, wasn't debian that fucked the keys? cuz they know better than upstream?
MJR_: but debian is usually as upstream as you can get
MJR_: besides linux kernel
MJR_: not saying the other packages may not be off, but debian can run almost anything
MJR_: <dub> gentoo is the slamming your cock and balls in a door of linux :)
MJR_: i srsly don't get why not just fork debian and make apt-get do what you want...why create yum and rpl etc
MJR_: its like saying i'll start a new distro but i don't like cp
MJR_: i'm gonna make mine called rad or whatever
dub: its simpler to think of it like this: Some people use linux as a tool to accomplish their work, som use it because they are tools who don't have a job.
MJR_: trolling multiple people with very little effort
MJR_: if you are very good at linux...you don't have a job because you don't want one, or you are so annoying that no one can possibly work with you...at least in the US
jurov: well, in the beginning there was One Unix....errr no... there was actually sysv and bsd...
MJR_: although sysV was first
MJR_: so you could say that in the beginning there was one
jurov: well.. and that one was horrible hack for decommissioned microcomputer
jurov: so everyone was like we must fix it
MJR_: yep...and i believe it was private...or was that the one before
MJR_: and wasn't it for DEC hardware?
unbalanced_: Bugpowder: just caught up. 80% haircut for "rich" Cypriots (a minority that won't march in the streets) and foreigners (EU/Russian retirees who saved all their lives but don't vote in Cyprus)... oh and Russian mafia, apparently
unbalanced_: Easy out for politicians. And they wonder why suddenly normal citizens look at something like Bitcoin and say "Tell me more"
jurov: russian mafia = russian state enterprises. medvedev said loudly
unbalanced_: Bugpowder was wondering why no one replied way above.
mircea_popescu: past this point it is irresponsible to keep wealth in banks/fiat.
jurov: even if not 80% , it will be paid years later.. so effectively 80% can be
unbalanced_: Like the Cyprus "solution", Florida has something similar for foreigners who buy retirement homes: out-of-state owners of Florida property apparently pay higher property taxes than their neighbours. Because they can't vote.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.74544, Best ask: 84.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45456, Last trade: 84.20000, 24 hour volume: 67420.00585510, 24 hour low: 75.00000, 24 hour high: 83.00001, 24 hour vwap: 78.64965
Namworld: Moving up... we better reach 100...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09644283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.11551977 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah 100 is almost a sure thing now :/
gribble: There are currently 20890.923 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1975762.01088 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0018 seconds
gribble: There are currently 19647.357 bitcoins offered at or under 99.999 USD, worth 1851405.41114 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.9117 seconds
toffoo: what happened to ASICMINER's other 6TH? wasn't it supposed to be 12 TH in the first batch?
Chaang-Noi: order book on gox with bids showing is like 8 million fiat
Chaang-Noi: they have had some issues but are not clear
mircea_popescu: toffoo the worst case scenario is that their chips keep blowing up
Chaang-Noi: tehy dont have batch 2 chips yet, but they could ahve fucked 50% of batch one
toffoo: weird how they haven't addressed this pretty critical question
Chaang-Noi: they dont need more funding so why do they care?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2409 @ 0.00448 = 10.7923 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: originally their gear was going to be sent to upstanding community members for review
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.90001, Best ask: 83.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 83.95000, 24 hour volume: 69002.42552111, 24 hour low: 75.07009, 24 hour high: 84.39000, 24 hour vwap: 78.78080
mircea_popescu: the only logical conclusion is there's something wrong with it.
toffoo: well I hate to jump to uninformed conclusions
toffoo: I thought it might have been mentioned in that monster forum thread,
mircea_popescu: this is not jumping to conclusions. this is the correct assumption process in business.
toffoo: but I figured I'd ask here before wading thru it
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.0996075 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: somebody owes but doesn't pay the assumption is they're insolvent.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.699994 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.699995 = 1.4 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: toffee friedcat has said networking problems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00062582 = 9.3873 BTC [+]
toffoo: where did he say that?
toffoo: I thought the networking problems when there was like 3-4 TH online
toffoo: I don't think I've ever seen more than about 6 TH hashing
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.11289001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09385556 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6742223.56791 based on data since last change | 7150229.48926 based on data for last three days
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.51000, Best ask: 83.95000, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 83.95000, 24 hour volume: 69655.64712248, 24 hour low: 75.07101, 24 hour high: 84.39000, 24 hour vwap: 78.82830
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.699995 = 7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.2930763 = 293.0763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.26346639 = 263.4664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.2344069 = 234.4069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.20614959 = 206.1496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.17899591 = 178.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.15327667 = 153.2767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.11738822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 999 @ 0.12932122 = 129.1919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09803797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.10742235 = 107.3149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.11786429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09845581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 3087.7011 bitcoins demanded at or over 78.72 USD, worth 247621.614442 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0070 seconds
gribble: There are currently 2434.4015 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 205945.63073 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.3875 seconds
gribble: There are currently 21113.042 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1990189.832 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.7081 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.29329496 = 293.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.26368397 = 263.684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.23461956 = 234.6196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.20635286 = 206.3529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.17918507 = 179.1851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.1534473 = 153.4473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.12946978 = 129.4698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09599945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.10754662 = 107.4391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.10754662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.09599945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.29351269 = 293.5127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.10766303 = 107.663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.12961161 = 129.6116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.15361245 = 153.6125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.17936998 = 179.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.20655301 = 206.553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.23483005 = 234.8301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.26390011 = 263.9001 BTC [+]
Namworld: mircea_popescu... I think there's demand for more calls
Chaang-Noi: expecting moon shot well over 100 maybe
Namworld: but they have less of a premium too
mircea_popescu: then again traditionally options have been trading like crazy past few days of each month.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, well if they expect 100 soon very soon then its a good deal
mircea_popescu: where long is anything over a week, in the sense tuesday to saturday is a week
Namworld: they're in the money if average moves like to 82-85 USD per BTC
Namworld: if price doesn't move it's even/small loss
Namworld: if price go down it could hurt tho
Chaang-Noi: meh 5000 btc seems worth the risk here
Namworld: If price makes a sudden drop, executing them is always an option to cut losses.
mircea_popescu: last week i was excited about goiing over 300k notional which was like 20mn
Namworld: options are usually in favor of the bot
Chaang-Noi: the grandma of the cat in tyhe looney toons was tossing money into a fire?
Namworld: MPEx options bot ran out of funds it seems
Namworld: Well the asks/bids aren't for 1000 everywhere
mircea_popescu: bitcoinity is basically an engine of displaying how sucky mtgox is
Chaang-Noi: but there was a cartoon of a lady burning usd when we jumped about $2
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+]
Namworld: Well one last round of options to grab and it's gone
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 987 @ 0.29418438 = 290.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 995 @ 0.18001586 = 179.1158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 995 @ 0.15422494 = 153.4538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 955 @ 0.13017969 = 124.3216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 689 @ 0.10817751 = 74.5343 BTC [+]
Namworld: MPOE shares trade an average of 700k daily...
Namworld: They're around or on the forum everywhere =/
Namworld: It's people with thousands of BTCs >.>
Namworld: No one with 1-2 BTC is on MPEx
Namworld: Brokers hardly represent a fraction of trades
Namworld: and SatoshiDice owner could certainly vouch funds he raised are actual...
Namworld: The large traders are hardly standing around all day in IRC. They don't even know about it.
Namworld: I have funds loaned to me. The big people are not on bitcointalk nor on IRC.
Namworld: I've never talked to them before receiving the BTC or anything.
Namworld: For any purpose I wish. Personal loan.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, large call buy put a top in the market.
mircea_popescu: actually, i wonder how many people are doing the "sell 1k btc at mtgox, buy 1k worth of calls on MPEx" hedging thing.
Namworld: I'm one of the trader on MPEx. A few of the 1000s calls were my transactions.
Namworld: Bugpowder was probably responsible for a few others
Namworld: Most are just not going to come in IRC...
Namworld: Not sure why you'd expect that. The more funds people have, the less time they have to do things like have idle chatting in IRC.
unlord: how do I buy shares on MPEx
Namworld: Get an account. They cost 30 BTC tho =/
unlord: Namworld: is there a no load way to purchase?
unlord: Namworld: 30 is too high a price to pay
Namworld: tiberius, I'm not sure why being Romanian is such an issue, other than the added risk legal recourse is not really an option.
Namworld: With that logic, no romanian cannot be a scammer...
mircea_popescu: there were two such distributyions in march and april 2012.
mircea_popescu: shares sold for 9k satoshi (1mn) and 2.x k satoshi (4mn)
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav is nigerian, he is juyst jelly of mps scamming skillz
Namworld: Well I must say he could stop posting NSFW links in an assets channel tho...
unlord: mircea_popescu: what did I miss?
Chaang-Noi: this really should be a sfw chan, if photo is not sfn just tell people
unlord: mircea_popescu: well I wasn't really into BTC back then
mircea_popescu: anyway, you can prolly talk to a broker pay whatever they charge as a % fee
Namworld: yeah I'm not sure it's due to options
mircea_popescu: Namworld the coincidence is there. what's it due to we'll never know.
mircea_popescu: and peeps, stop hating on pron. the solution is to get the girls naked at your office, not to remove pron form the workspace.
Namworld: looking at last few days on hourly setting, I'd say it looks like normal variation
unlord: mircea_popescu: do shares have their own block-chain structure?
unlord: mircea_popescu: how do you demonstrate ownership?
Uglux: hmm price follows version number of bitcoin-qt ^^
mircea_popescu: on mpex ? you get gpg signed receipts for trades / acct statements
unlord: mircea_popescu: thanks
mircea_popescu: net effect of like 25k notional ? 25 minutes worth of calm.
gribble: There are currently 1362.753 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 115519.937878 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
Chaang-Noi: once btc gets to $300 or so im going to antartic
Chaang-Noi: yeah, $300 is when my vacation fund gets = to anartica trip
Chaang-Noi: think satalite internetz will work down there?
mircea_popescu: well... i got meetings and shit. please don't break anything.
Chaang-Noi: toffoo lol 30 eyar old sigh seeuing trip
Chaang-Noi: i want to land and play in the fucking snow
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.96000, Best ask: 84.03865, Bid-ask spread: 0.07865, Last trade: 84.03865, 24 hour volume: 72686.59783658, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 84.50000, 24 hour vwap: 79.09585
gribble: There are currently 1390.7625 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 117911.596115 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4093.0673 bitcoins offered at or under 89.9 USD, worth 355267.961904 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.4320 seconds
Uglux: hm will there be an AM div today?
bgupta: since it's a) not a full week, and b) the first div to factor in all 400k shares.
Chaang-Noi: small for asicminer standards, a massive fucking div for wallstreet standards
unlord: Chaang-Noi: they are not listed on mpex
Chaang-Noi: no one on wall street will give out .25% of thier company weekly
Uglux: I would rather like to see an update about that mysterious delayed +6TH, not hashing silently somewhere for someone else ^^
Chaang-Noi: however PTs on btct.co and bitfunder.com
mircea_popescu: Uglux it's unlikely to be hashing anywhere, cause of total networkoutput
unlord: Chaang-Noi: how does one invest in them?
bgupta: however bear in mind.. most "wall street divs" are paid by stodgy companies, that have stable predictable earnings, so there is a premium paid for that so that the yield ends up being really low.
Chaang-Noi: but the pt at the linked sites or buy OTC on the tthreads i nthe forum at bitcointalk.org
unlord: Chaang-Noi: I hold producing assets
Chaang-Noi: i hold BTC/LTC/AM and then for my 10% shit hits the fan (gold and silver)
Chaang-Noi: im not trying to make money off of gold and silver, im using it as a protection from inflation or other crazyness like ww3
unlord: I guess you know my finances then
Namworld: the percent might be small but remember that product price and share price increase with inflation
Namworld: So I'm not sure about inflation's impact
unlord: tiberiusiv: okay, so that last statement is just wrong
unlord: tiberiusiv: what are you using to measure inflation?
unlord: lol, I thought you just told me it hadn't moved in 20 years?
unlord: I assumed you knew the stock price then
Namworld: tiberius... do an average of the price
unlord: okay, sure, but I didn't buy in 1998
Namworld: It was higher in the 90s but overall, long term, it grows
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.7 = 4.2 BTC [+]
bgupta: are you guys factoring in KO dividends being reinvested in buying more KO shares?
bgupta: beats a savings account
unlord: tiberiusiv: its expanding outside of the US at a crazy rate
unlord: tiberiusiv: per capita consumption is still pretty low outside the US
unlord: and there are a lot more people outside the US than inside
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.6 = 12 BTC [+]
Namworld: yeah, which kinds of makes it safest, albeit near 0 return
Namworld: it beats holding fiats, compensates for inflation
unlord: tiberiusiv: since I bought KO, I'm up 150% factoring in dividend reinvestments
unlord: that has to beat whatever nominal inflation we've had
unlord: dude, did I insult you on here?
unlord: is this an investment channel or a speculation channel?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.30000, Best ask: 85.33531, Bid-ask spread: 0.03531, Last trade: 85.30000, 24 hour volume: 74342.86175279, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 85.30000, 24 hour vwap: 79.27222
bgupta: so I am guessing next AM div will be just shy of 1 bitcent.
Namworld: You infer the biggest things on every littlest changes/details in anything... what's up with that tiberius?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01451 BTC [-]
bgupta: I want to invest in the company making bitcoin atms.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 86.30643, Best ask: 86.97999, Bid-ask spread: 0.67356, Last trade: 86.30643, 24 hour volume: 75359.24546426, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 86.97748, 24 hour vwap: 79.38315
dub: #bitcoin-analysis has some chart jockeys
Bowjob: 2 more days until ianbakewell's scam of truth
Namworld: 600 BTC loaned to short them...
Namworld: thank god I didn't short them...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 86.40000, Best ask: 87.60000, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 87.69990, 24 hour volume: 75777.12278574, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 79.42575
Bugpowder: mtgox hasn't credited my BTC deposit for 8 hours
Bowjob: are there calls for sale?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00449 = 0.0674 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.00458 = 0.0321 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: he may have just turned off the sales though
Namworld: there was like a set of options with less than 1000 put up
Namworld: I think it's just out of funds.
Namworld: look the asks, they're not 1000s stacks
Namworld: and some have been sold out for a while
Namworld: Some are a few hundres or less
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.00459 = 0.0826 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: "Thank you for your email. It appears that due to network congestion there is a Lag and this should be rectified in the next 24hrs and we will keep you updated on the status and we apologize for the inconvenience that this may have caused. Let us know if you would require any further assistance regarding this issue."
Bugpowder: well at least they sent an email reply in < 5 minutes
Bugpowder: I'm starting to think 100 is in play this week
Bowjob: or move to single digits again
Bugpowder: how much of this price rise is due to "network lag" at mtgox deposits.
toffoo: what's the price gonna do if deposits aren't credited?
Bugpowder: mtgox is fucking great for volatility
toffoo: something breaks pretty much every day
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 1 @ 0.54019864 BTC [+]
leotreasure: can anyone tell me what the breakeven price for those options are?
leotreasure: i thought i worked it out to be around $93 but not sure
assbot: Last trade for VTX on HAVELOCK was at 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00448 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.00013, Best ask: 85.03269, Bid-ask spread: 0.03256, Last trade: 85.50000, 24 hour volume: 76866.50921262, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 79.54180
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.00013, Best ask: 85.03269, Bid-ask spread: 0.03256, Last trade: 85.50000, 24 hour volume: 76866.50921262, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 79.54180
Bowjob: someone dumped to 84.50
Bugpowder: but there was a BTC funding lag of 8 hours for me
Bugpowder: maybe they are clearing the pipe for everyone
Bowjob: so you're odne with btc?
Bugpowder: why buy btc when you can buy calls?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7132 @ 0.00061483 = 4.385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00060977 = 4.9391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00060523 = 0.6052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00060101 = 9.0152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10944 @ 0.00060001 = 6.5665 BTC [-]
Bowjob: i wonder whats thew price in a week
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 10 @ 0.27399999 = 2.74 BTC [+]
Bowjob: its 90 dollars on canadian bitcoins
Bugpowder: mpoe bondholders are going to get slaughtered
Bugpowder: unless this makes future bondholders skittish
Bugpowder: you underestimate the tenacity of mp
Bugpowder: Not interested in wasting sleep explaining it
Namworld: others tried but were not allowed...
Namworld: BitVPS was... SatoshiDice was...
Bowjob: I have a friend who bought on march 10.. 3 BFL singles
Bowjob: I just told him cancel his BFL orders, they seem scammy as fuck
Bowjob: or am i depriving him of riches
Bowjob: yes.. yes of course. even if bfl ships, the backlog is insane
Bowjob: that he'll get his, idk. 9 months from now
Bowjob: silver gets a smack in the face
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.474998 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.4749996 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.19 = 2.38 BTC [+]
jurov: hi all...coinbr really shows different options prices, will dig it
jurov: Namworld so BitVPS "tried but not allowed" to list on mpex, orly ????
jurov: or what did you mean?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.475 = 0.95 BTC [+]
Namworld: [05:08] <Namworld> BitVPS was... SatoshiDice was...
bgupta: saulimus: Are you saying that eurowoes have no impact on btc/fiat ratios? (Or where you talkign to someone else?)
error4733: still 5000 waiting for MT gox confirmation
saulimus: bgupta, I'm saying it's more probable that the price of bitcoin would've risen the same way had the cyprus situation not happened. articles like that make it seem like it's the only reason... because it's the writer's job to find interesting connections.
error4733: FINCEN effect, more than Cyprus imo
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: so i go afk for an hour and we go over 87.7 lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bgupta w3ashington post did a good one too
Chaang-Noi: yeah people are saying cyprus but its not... its FINCEN for sure
Chaang-Noi: but who cares, people going to just expect btc to go way up everytime a bank fail so that if okay with me
Chaang-Noi: should happen every other mopnth in europe alone
bgupta: It's a combination of things creating a feedback loop…
Chaang-Noi: only 21 million evar and everyone wants them all
bgupta: The one question I have is if some large entity, gov't or financial, decided to bet against bitcoin, how effective could they be? I mean are there enough available for loan to really do a big short?
bgupta: well.. in traditional markets selling short is selling.. and can stompt out any rallies, if a large enough position is taken.
bgupta: ?? I can't find many merchants that take litecoin?
Bowjob: you can get run over by a bus too tomorrow
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav is just sad he only has .24 btc he scammed in nigeria
Bowjob: how much btc do u have
Bowjob: and at what price did you sell at
Chaang-Noi: hahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahaahahah my fucking sides
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav no one in their right mind would think you had more than 2 btc
Bowjob: look dude you are trading pennies for dollars
Bowjob: get in now, it hurts but you must accept the fact
Bowjob: you will thank me later
Bowjob: you will wish you bought $100 worth at 90 dollars per btc
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav tiverslav you made me laugh outlouad so hard everyone is looking at me like im nuts now
Bowjob: look its okay if you sold
bgupta: I'm thinking this run of publicity has a bit more legs in it.. however.. not a bad strategy… I sold most ages ago… but kept a few just in case of events like this happening. (fiat woes) It's the same reason I have some gold coins in my safety deposit box.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.475 = 1.425 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.96112, Best ask: 86.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03888, Last trade: 86.00000, 24 hour volume: 76550.92089328, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 80.04172
bgupta: well you have a 50% shot at being right. :)
Bowjob: bgupta thats not how it works
bgupta: really, I thought mpex allowed that for some reason?
bgupta: a lot is becoming clearer.
bgupta: I assumed that by now shorting would have become a regular part of the economy..
bgupta: It's not really shorting if you can't borrow stuff and dump it.
bgupta: got it.. need to think if options could have any impact on that… what about futures contracts? DO we have those?
bgupta: well that's only an issue due to spreads, right?
bgupta: if you are patient.. you should be able to move in and out, without such a spread no?
bgupta: it's for the large $$$ transactions that kill you.
bgupta: but also 95% of the community aren't rushing for the exits.. the things that really shook the price back in the day where theives stealing wallets and dumping them for fiat.
bgupta: tiberiusiv: depending on who they are, would determine whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
bgupta: unfortuantely we have no way of knowing
bgupta: I understand that problem.
error4733: they are speculator in BTC land, at some point they will cash out ! no dout
bgupta: there are speculators in every land
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
bgupta: so I had a theory back in the day.. that there are a large amount of coins held by a handful of folks who are acting as guardians of the btc economy…
bgupta: I suspected that as the price went up they would slowly move some of their holdings into fiat, to be able to buy on any major pullbacks.. (That's what I would do if I was a creator of this currency.)
bgupta: they wouldn't have had to sell off much to act as market makers..
jurov: yes, there are whales. but would they use mpex for hedging or sdice for fun? never! (at least according to our tibby)
jurov: i know what happens on coinbr and that they *do* use mpex
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 69 @ 0.7 = 48.3 BTC [+]
jurov: just don't give a fuck about convicing some kid
Namworld: So your balance is like 10k+ or something?
Bowjob: i think tiber is just a troll
jurov: lol tibby completely misunderstood me
Namworld: I thought feeding a troll was getting angry/pissed, since it gives a troll's statisfaction?
Bowjob: nah, giving them attention is enough for tiber
Namworld: Bowjob is all-in bullish as far as I know.
jurov: i'm not gonna repeat it
Bowjob: nah, i still have plenty of fiat
bgupta: hey, I can't claim to know what btc is gonna do… I have a very small position that I plan to keep in the btc economy..
bgupta: my goal is to get more btc than I had before.
Namworld: I actually took a credit to buy BTC at 5 USD/BTC
bgupta: (Without converting any fiat into btc)
Namworld: Although only a few thousands, nothing I wouldn't have been able to repaid.
Namworld: SatoshiDice is a sure way to lose
bgupta: I don't have a lot of btc, so my trades can easily be absorbed by the market.
Namworld: I'm worried about people putting their life savings/maxing credit into Bitcoins at current prices... right after such a steep rise.
Bowjob: tiber you're recomending "proper bet sizing"..
Namworld: Every time I put a few BTC on satoshidice, it's been a lost. Just for fun.
Namworld: I've pulled out great profit trading instead however
Namworld: (Havelock, BTCT.co, MPEx, Bitfunder, MtGox)
jurov: bgupta, if you want moar btc,don't exchange. earn them
Bowjob: bgupta you will lose at dice
jurov: there IS a bitcoin economy, just it's not so advertised and force fed like real one
bgupta: Don't worry.. I am not gonna be playing dice.
jurov: or program or graphics. or alpaca soicks
jurov: or swiss chocolate
Namworld: You can sell services of all sorts... does the work too
jurov: tiberiusiv maybe. but swiss chocolate for btcs DOES sell quite well and that matters.
bgupta: of you are talking darknet.. I think a good side business would be a paper currency moneychanger.
bgupta: I know people are looking to get btc without dealing with the exchanges..
jurov: 1. goto bitcointalk
jurov: 2. search cocolate
bgupta: what they do with the btc, I can only imagine.. ;)
jurov: tiberiusiv you're not the only one who can say just google it, ya know
Namworld: We don't have link off the top of our head for everything, silly you. There's hundreds of BTC businesses.
jurov: tiberiusiv now *this* needs a link
bgupta: tiberiusiv: which forum in particular?
jurov: ofc. if they used fiat, they'd have the saem problem to aluder it
bgupta: err.. there are like 20 fourms
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009994 BTC [+]
Namworld: on that one, I'd be with tiberius... cashing out must be harder for dealers. Cash can come in fast. Cashing out without going through an exchange can be hard.
Namworld: If they want to avoid linking a bank account...
jurov: once they want to convert thousands of btcs it's exactly the same issue
Namworld: (Assuming they don't trust SR itself)
Namworld: No, I disagree with a lot of what you say so...
jurov: tiberiusiv i don't know why you care so much to SR
jurov: my business is legit, i don't have a problem providing id to bitcoin-central and cashing out at price consistently few euros above market
jurov: and report the earnigns to be taxed
jurov: what liquidity do you need?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 0.7 = 14.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 0.7 = 9.8 BTC [+]
jurov: for converting few hundred euros to live off every while it has ample liquidity
jurov: i don't need move thousands of btcs like these poor silkroaders
Namworld: hmm... slight wall building up at 86 USD per BTC... price approaching all time high again
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.7 = 4.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.715 BTC [+]
jurov: nobody scammed you?
jurov: they were all around yurp before wwii
jurov: they just got wiped out elsewhere
jurov: and in recent decades they breed much faster than "whites"... so slovakia will prolly become a gypsy country soon
Diablo-D3: another person who thinks gypsy is a race and not a mythological creature
jurov: were you eating at restaurants? cuz slovaks don't give a shit about services
jurov: Diablo-D3: how do you call these chocolate people then? roma?
Diablo-D3: dude, if they're _chocolate_ I call them african
Diablo-D3: unless they're some of those really dark indians
jurov: 1. these gypsies look like indians 2. they speak like indians 3. wtf are they then?
jurov: cuz i'm registered entrepreneur (even VAT registered). so they have a right to look into my accts anytime
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.00000, Best ask: 87.16999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16999, Last trade: 87.00000, 24 hour volume: 76848.95819924, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 80.37796
Diablo-D3: jurov: speaking indian isn't a useful description
Diablo-D3: there is something like 5 major languages spoken on the indian subcontinent
Diablo-D3: but if they look like indians and speak an indian language, they might be, you know, indians
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: indian from india dude
jurov: they are some lowest indian caste that got expelled in 12th century.
jurov: and they call themselves gysies or rome
jurov: roaming around eur since then
Diablo-D3: jurov: Ive never seen a "gypsy" that looks indian
jurov: ^ slovak roma seen here
jurov: if they don't resemble indians, then dunno
bgupta: "The Romani are an ethnic group living mostly in Europe, who have been traced genetically to a group migrating from the northwestern Indian Subcontinent about 1,500 years ago."
Chaang-Noi: i was in india, in kashmire and they have people with blue eyes and light skin
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: probably ex-nazis from ww2
Chaang-Noi: hungarians are from north west china... from 2000 years ago
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: hell, thats nothing new
Chaang-Noi: d3 lol no, there is a group in afghan/packastian/india that came from alaxander the great when he came down 2500 eyars ago
Diablo-D3: one of the 12 kinds of chinese seems to be descended by a bunch of romans that followed the silk road the whole way dow
Chaang-Noi: no roman in recorded history ever made it to china
Chaang-Noi: not saying it did not happen but no one wrote about it, that survives
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: they have roman artifacts, but they're not sure if the artifacts alone made it
Chaang-Noi: im a history dude way more than anything else:)
Diablo-D3: and I forgot about alexander the great, btw
Diablo-D3: hes more made up than anything else
Chaang-Noi: got to india, saw a line of elephants and was like... ummm, lets go home
Chaang-Noi: alaxander is just like santa clause, tricks we play on history 101 students
Diablo-D3: I mean, fuck, he had an empire that spanned from greece to india
Chaang-Noi: he did not really have an emipre... he just raped everything he came to until india... he also took over the empires in his way leaving most of the govt there, just killing the kinds and marrying the exwifes
Chaang-Noi: d3 if you know how he did it, it is very reasonable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00415005 = 4.1501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00415004 = 4.15 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he just kept adding to his army as he beat other ones, sooner or later the other guys just sureendered
Diablo-D3: but its pretty much embedded into every white guy now: fear anyone from greece that has an army of macedonians behind them
Chaang-Noi: but once he got to india he got an army of like all of india, with massive elehpants and shit
Chaang-Noi: 95% of his army at the end was not macidonian
Bowjob: still not sure if its a good idea or not
Chaang-Noi: using paypal? might be a good idea? hahahahha
Bowjob: no dude you're missing the point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00415003 = 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 835 @ 0.00415001 = 3.4653 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i see paypal and brian shuts down, fuck paypal man
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: yes, but macedonia no longer exists
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.714995 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.715 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.1922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00414 = 0.0621 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 110 @ 0.00413 = 0.4543 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 54 @ 0.00412 = 0.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.6986 = 1.3972 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Eurozone Chief: Savings accounts in Spain, Italy and other European countries will be raided if needed
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19257 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1925 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "tocler" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.63544, Best ask: 85.65000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01456, Last trade: 85.65000, 24 hour volume: 77073.18838681, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 80.52340
gribble: There are currently 36640973 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9691361.22066 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds
Bugpowder: a proxy for the amount of money sittingn in gox accounts
gribble: There are currently 47942.779 bitcoins offered at or under 100000000.0 USD, worth 363654447.184 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0028 seconds
Schadenfreude: Anybody knows how often Jurov processes CoinBR withdrawals?
Bugpowder: There is definitely more than 50k sitting in dark pools on gox
pgp: no automation for even the smallest withdrawls...
Bugpowder: although there may be an extra 10M USD in dark pools too
Bugpowder: pgp security or convienence, pick one.
Chaang-Noi: gox be playing wiht all the stolen bitcoinica money
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00415001 / 0.00440089 / 0.00449999 (16048 shares, 70.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00320003 / 0.0043828 / 0.005598 (277727 shares, 1,217.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.0052747 / 0.0063799 (1198162 shares, 6,319.96 BTC)
Schadenfreude: Meh, I already sign with a BTC-adress to withdraw from CoinBR, it's a bit annoying
Schadenfreude: Let's hope it gets through before the price correction#
Bugpowder: I don't think there will be a correction before friday
Bugpowder: before the crash last friday, total gox bids dropped from 8.1M to 6.1M
Namworld: another BitVPS client which paid with a stolen Paypal account.
Bugpowder: I sold off my calls for a 3x gain. Rebought at the bottom.
MJR_: Bugpowder: i exercised at 71 :(
Bugpowder: Anyway.... watch the gox bids. I think it may be a leading indicator of corrections
Namworld: Bugpowder: neat. Gains on a significant amount of BTC?
MJR_: all the options are too expensive...
MJR_: need some like 110 calls :(
Bugpowder: Namworld: Had 10% of my nut in calls. they tripled. Sold... Rebought with the profits at the bottom of the weekend dip vwap. Best month ever.
MJR_: that is an interesting metric Bugpowder
MJR_: i'm kicking myself for exercising at 71
Bugpowder: MJR_: I have not followed it for long enough to be sure, but worked last week.
MJR_: even with s.dice performance, up 117% overall
gribble: Current Blocks: 228244 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 1579 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 17 hours, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6742099.53802 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.69108
MJR_: is it a sure thing that we will not be seeing any dividends this month?
Bugpowder: bot always pays more than exercise price
MJR_: figured that i had the vwap at 71 and it already dropped to 63
MJR_: so i could exercise then
MJR_: but i didn't buy back in
MJR_: he was offering less
MJR_: not sure, but i think so...i exercised from my cell phone as i was walking into a meeting
Bugpowder: unless bot is using mtgox vwap not 24hprc
MJR_: i think the bot is aware of the mt gox price but not sure he uses it
MJR_: because one time during the flash crash i got filled on a bunch of calls
MJR_: we are bumping into the ceiling hard though
MJR_: wonder what 100 calls would be for next month
MJR_: 100 in april it looks like
MJR_: if not more...i just think that is the second biggest psychological barrier
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016 BTC [+]
Namworld: we're still full on on an exponential course
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01572 BTC [-]
MJR_: that is a bit scary
MJR_: i decided to take my trading profits from yesterday and switch back to lending
Namworld: I steer away from lending now... but you can loan to me.
MJR_: pretty nice when you are trying to decide between 280% apy or 10% in one day trading
pgp: my guess is that we will be in for some volatility today...
MJR_: lol, margin lending on bitfinex
MJR_: but my long overnight position worked well, though i got stopped loss and didn't get the top
MJR_: tiberiusiv: you are so right, no one will remark on the fact that we hit triple digits
MJR_: tiberiusiv: just another day, there won't be articles saying that
MJR_: ugh...i can't get sucked into your trollery today...sorry
Namworld: MJR, loan to me, I have plenty of collateral and I'm borrowing =P
MJR_: Namworld: whats the interest? i think i already am lending to you through btc-bond
MJR_: i thought you were going to start calling some of those bonds?
MJR_: btc bond is a great investment
MJR_: i love daily interest
Namworld: in some businesses such as: www.satoshidice.com - www.bitcoinpride.com - www.bitvps.com and more
Namworld: I keep my debt at a fraction of my outstanding loan so it can mitigate the risk of something failing.
Namworld: Among other things. But the biggest earnings are from buying and flipping shares right back. There's some pretty big gaps in prices with illiquidity
Namworld: I try not to have my toes dipped in most things for too long.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 86.30101, Best ask: 86.74000, Bid-ask spread: 0.43899, Last trade: 86.74000, 24 hour volume: 75041.74738403, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 80.66941
Namworld: I pay 10.95% per year (0.03% daily)
Namworld: I suspect it's because I keep it at a fraction of my total worth and that I'm spread out among various exchanges and businesse types. Things could fail spectacularly and I'd still be able to repay all my debt. People like that.
jurov: it's not a problem to at all have such earnings from btc options
Namworld: And since I'm flipping shares in BTC, income is in BTC.
jurov: tiberiusiv, on NYSE if you figure out a strategy, there is 100ppl with same idea already
Namworld: Otherwise IDK why people would lend BTC at thos rate, they usually require multiple % per week on BTC loans.
jurov: here you're usually alone, and for long time
jurov: thanks to people like you that scream OMG ITS A SCAM
Namworld: Also, I'm not sure I'm fit for the NYSE. BTC is easier, more movement, larger spread, no competition. It's a good training ground at least.
Namworld: NYSE is more competitive. Less spreads too.
jurov: sry, if that "learning" would make me such a zealot like you are... no thanks :)
Namworld: I had so many different assets in BTC, I was spending lots of time watching markets/refreshing pages. Income has grown.
Bugpowder: the bitcoin options market is much less efficient
Namworld: I've left my day job to have time to do all this trading.
Bugpowder: Money is made by exploiting the inefficiencies of the market
Namworld: I've made a lot of put. I've been trying to go short since 30 USD/BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: If you would look at the history, people have been net losers in the options every month but august
jurov: tiberiusiv, there were some whale bears that tried to move mkt down and cash out options.. but they failed
Bugpowder: this month looks like people are actually going to come out on top
Namworld: I still believe this is going to crash. I'll still have puts each month ready.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [+]
Namworld: Anyway, I'm pretty much doing this full time by now...
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I lost plenty of money trading options in 2007-2009
Bugpowder: btc market is 100x more exploitable
Bugpowder: long term options trading in real financial markets is a loser for the retail investor
Bugpowder: in btc options, I think it can be a winner
deadweasel: bug, if you were to buy an option right now, which one would you buy?
Bugpowder: particularly when the spread is 30% on the bot
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.714994 = 1.43 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: If the bot was still offfering C750Ts, I would buy them
MJR_: Bugpowder: they were pretty expensive
deadweasel: tiberiusiv: i would tend to agree, as I believe this is the ceiling for the day.
Bugpowder: If I were actaully going to buy anything though, I would do it
Bugpowder: right now, I'm not buying or selling anything
Bugpowder: 90% of the time, the best trade is to do nothing
MJR_: hehehe, i decided to take a break from trading too...just lending now
Namworld: Use it, it's useful. Better on chrome tho, other browsers tend to drop websocket connection a lot more.
Bugpowder: Actually, the best play right now looks to be buying S.MPOE
Chaang-Noi: wont they loss their ass on options this month?
Namworld: Chaang-Noi: MPOE income comes from % on trading...
Chaang-Noi: then how could it be valued anywhere near what it is?
Bugpowder: if MPOE survives without a loss this month, it will bounce to 0.00075
kakobrekla: is gonna be like 40 or 50 btc this month i think (estimate)
Namworld: The money for options is borrowed from people depositing for a % I believe
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: bbest valuation is based on growth expectations
Namworld: Those people are risking their funds for a %
Bugpowder: which at 200000 satoshi, are pretty aggressive
jurov: <tiberiusiv> jurov i very much doubt that, whale to you is 100btc. <<< lol, now how did you came to that conclusion?
Bugpowder: MPOE has paid out 1% on good months
Chaang-Noi: so in 100 good months they break even :)
Bugpowder: MPOE bot pays 5-10% on capital used
gribble: There are currently 1452.6593 bitcoins offered at or under 87.61 USD, worth 126503.501188 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
jurov: tiberiusiv ,BitVPS was quite profitable, too.
jurov: but its owner suddenly got an idea it's better to get employed
jurov: tiberiusiv but most of fiat is gambling, too
gribble: There are currently 36656711 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9714666.78044 USD in total. | Data vintage: 119.6155 seconds
jurov: how much of money supply is ion forex? 90%
jurov: forex is the same thing. just considered legal.
gribble: There are currently 4816.7931 bitcoins offered at or under 89.8 USD, worth 425118.737376 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
jurov: oh tibby on limb again
gribble: There are currently 1053.2444 bitcoins demanded at or over 85.0 USD, worth 89853.9093844 USD in total. | Data vintage: 27.9878 seconds
Bugpowder: okcupid.com is now accepting bitcoins
jurov: tiberiusiv yes and? drug scene in your city has more users that a bank, too
jurov: in btcland it is just more visible
deadweasel: so all T options expire on Friday. But their price is going to vary based on VWAP, which is going up every second I babble here....
jurov: but SD has lot lower learning curve
jurov: not hassle with tor
jurov: ^ another myth yet to be proved
jurov: Chaang-Noi: yes MPOE uses that one
jurov: okay, you made the sales pitch. so what are we to do with SR?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
jurov: phew. someone steals their wallet and they'll clamor to list quickly
jurov: as happened to many enterprises already
jurov: tiberiusiv but that has nothing to do with bitcoin
Namworld: tiberiusiv: what? People often sell a portion of profitable businesses
jurov: if paypal was anonymous, it would be used instead
Namworld: Wether because they need growth capital, are retiring or simply to reduce market exposure/risk.
jurov: or popular detergent will be used. whatever is at hand
Chaang-Noi: once the mob learns about btc we will go to $100,000 tc
deadweasel: yeah, i can agree with you there -- going off the Internets history, it follows.
jurov: tiberiusiv i agree too. but you aren't telling normal retailers what to do
ThickAsThieves: well these people know me, i have to make sure they are treated ok
jurov: if there's money, retailers will come
ThickAsThieves: then a bunch of graphic design work and print brokering
jurov: you contradict yourself
jurov: if "the cartels" are using it, then it's clearly more than a small group
Namworld: What? I'm not too busy for that.
jurov: and it's usefult to them to use bitcoins on all levels down to the street
jurov: hence mass adoption
Chaang-Noi: when btc reaches $10,000 im pretty srue im going to by my own cartel
Namworld: I can do that, but what kind of rates are they used to?
jurov: tiberiusiv if it will be useful for them avoid hassle of exchanging the bills to bitcoins, they'll drop their customs quickly
splnkr: ironic, isn't it…Mexicans want USD while a bunch of Americans prefer BTC
deadweasel: profit first, they get engineers to build half mile tunnels underneath the border, they will force Nerds to handle their BTC
jurov: then ID requirement will come quickly
jurov: shoulkd that happen
jurov: anyway, all the runners, that's a mass market already
jurov: and for them it's better to buy things directly for btc
jurov: than to go to walmart and risk doxing and being catched on camera
jurov: well, don't tell this will stay so any extended period
jurov: no your point seems to be "retailers wont evar"
jurov: and i say, okay, if criminal element adopts it on mass scale, retilers will follow"
jurov: "people will always spend fiat" Plainly not true. Not always at least.
Bugpowder: people will spend btc now because its an easy way to cashout
jurov: your crime elements do
jurov: and you yourself said they supposedly have problems to exchange it back
splnkr: it's good to be mindful of the risk of BTC going poof due to external factors, but I'm not that worried…woudln't it take a concerted, coordinated global effort to bring it all down permanently? I'm not talking 51% attack here
jurov: so these WILL use retail if available
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 86.91001, Best ask: 86.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08998, Last trade: 87.00000, 24 hour volume: 74748.36316424, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 80.81460
jurov: tiberiusiv: simple logic, no?
splnkr: and the world can't even properly discuss climate change; i don't see that they could execute a destruction of the bitcoin network
Bugpowder: anyone had trouble getting over 1 wire a day from fast cash. total >$10l
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: what do you see as the right investment / speculative play in the btc space right now?
Bugpowder: I am hearing a lot about what ISN'T good. What IS good.
jurov: don't lol. they can indeed launder some of the bitcoins disguised as t-shirt operation
splnkr: the best investment strategy is to tell people in IRC the opposite of what you believe to be true
MJR_: Bugpowder: it is way too hard to come up with something creative, let's just detract from the good that is going on
MJR_: BitPay processed 2 Million dollars worth of transactions for VENDORS
MJR_: just saying they are growing
MJR_: vendors are slowly starting to accept them
MJR_: so that would be double
MJR_: yes...and doubled the payments processed
MJR_: meaning more merchants are starting to get into this space
MJR_: that is just one metric
jurov: it's clearly more than nothing
MJR_: do you not know how they work?
MJR_: you set your price IN DOLLARS
MJR_: they deal with conversion
MJR_: your company is doing so much better in this space
MJR_: what was its name again?
Bugpowder: The BTC retail space is < 6 months old
MJR_: oh thats right, you haven't done one thing so far that is actually valuable to anyone in this community
MJR_: so bitpay: 2 million tiberiusiv: 0
Bugpowder: I bet bitpay growth is faster than paypal
jurov: tibby has coinbr account.. so it's valuable for me :)
MJR_: how do i constantly get sucked in to these epic troll fests
MJR_: got to learn to avoid them
MJR_: has tiberiusiv done anything
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav is from nigeria and only has .35 btc:/
MJR_: fucking armchair quarterback
MJR_: so you start a payment processer, a gambling site, an exchange...do something
MJR_: which is a new high in this space
Chaang-Noi: mr tiberslav too busy tolling and cashing in govt welfare checks to do anything productinv
MJR_: 850 million is tiny compared to forex trading
MJR_: apparently you don't undeerstand emerging markets AT ALL
MJR_: tiberiusiv is the guy saying "why would anyone ever need internet on their phone"
MJR_: "the personal computer is not really necessary"
jurov: tiberiusiv, care do a bet on bitbet?
Diablo-D3: that'd be enough to fix the united states =/
jurov: like "bitpay will reach 100mil this year"
jurov: what has bitpay to do with gpsy???
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.586 = 2.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.585 = 5.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.65000000 / 1.772 / 1.85000000 (25 shares, 44.30000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.78286455 / 2.00000000 (189 shares, 336.96140034 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 2.09569993 / 18.00000000 (657 shares, 1376.87485269 BTC)
jurov: say yourself...whatever amount it won't cross
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.585 = 2.925 BTC [-]
MJR_: you know those vendors dont ONLY sell in bitcoins right?
MJR_: hence emerging markets
Namworld: tiberius... there's more than a 0.99% fee for those converting to USD
MJR_: as more people switch to this alternate economy
Namworld: 0.99% is for those keeping BTC
MJR_: it seems like you have no concept of future valuation
MJR_: value of market share
MJR_: raking in money cuz there first
Namworld: which is what people paid you... all vendors pay back in USD, almost
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-]
Namworld: it's not an issue only with bitpay, it's an issue with all vendors
Namworld: beside, works the other way around. If a refund is request after a price drop, more BTC
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060001 / 0.00062529 / 0.00064816 (173321 shares, 108.38 BTC), 7D: 0.00060001 / 0.00068467 / 0.00077505 (2085337 shares, 1,427.77 BTC), 30D: 0.00060001 / 0.00073814 / 0.00078628 (17972130 shares, 13,266.12 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.57 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.567 = 1.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.567 = 1.701 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.565 = 1.695 BTC [-]
unbalanced: Bugpowder, congrats on the overnight trade. Well played.
MJR_: i can't do this anymore...too distracting and fun getting trolled, but have work to do thank god for ignore
Bugpowder: unbalanced: thanks! not a trade till I close the position though :-0 I'll let the vwap get at least $5 higher first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.565 = 1.695 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.554 = 4.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00061253 = 1.2251 BTC [+]
unbalanced: Oh I thought you closed it out. re: something you said yesterday, I'd pay to have you run my funds just from what I've seen here in a week
unbalanced: I want a Tesla too so Ifig I have to learn from someone who's doing it.
deadweasel: so this price boom is why the c750s when to .24999?
Bugpowder: if you want to buy my C750s at .24999 though, you are welcome to them
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <smickles> well, if you answer, please hilight me so i can find it easier :)
Bugpowder: unbalanced: Unfortunately I don't think running a fund is actually legal
deadweasel: Bugpowder, I don't know any better, just trying to wrap my pea brain around it before I started trading options
Bugpowder: also, I have just been pretty lucky this month
Bugpowder: past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.
deadweasel: you think MPOE will bounce back to .00075 if it survives OIX trading this month?
thestrin1puller: a bubble of unprecedented proportions vs a booming economy soon to be worth billions...
Namworld: well booming economy, yes, but not that fast...
jurov: p/e isn't the right indicator here. it's considered low risk longer term investment which is rare for btc
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: you have zero experience in MPEx securities. I wouldn't be so confident until you get a better sense of the way things work around here
Bugpowder: deadweasel: If MPOE bond holders avoid a loss this month, yes, S.MPOE will bounce.
jurov: tiberiusiv thing is only few loud folks think it's overvalued
Namworld: tiberiusiv is negative on just about 99% of things.
deadweasel: interesting, i didn't realize OIX was 'funded' by the MPOE.Bond. learning is fun!
jurov: tiberiusiv, do you really know better btc investment than s.mpoe? with consistent profit and known business model?
jurov: SR doesn't exist as an investment
Bugpowder: The MPOE bot volume has seen explosive growth over the past year
jurov: tiberiusiv that's not what i asked. is there anything better?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.532 = 1.064 BTC [-]
jurov: hahahahaha cavirtex
Bugpowder: the fact is, there is a lot of hot money in the BTC investment space, and not a lot of options
jurov: but cavirtex is a fiat business
MJR_: Bugpowder: amen to that
MJR_: this is the time to start a bitcoin venture
jurov: they will inevitable get less btc-profitable
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.714994 = 3.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.714995 = 7.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.715 = 14.3 BTC [+]
MJR_: i was wondering...how could package up a VXX for btc
jurov: mpex is as removed from fiat as possible.. together with sdice
deadweasel: it's true, if there is no fiat, the is no legal precedent for a GLBSE type event
jurov: they are this "down" every now and then, that's not argument
jurov: both numbers are completely virtual
jurov: withdraw while you can
unbalanced: Bugpowder: I assume you're in the US... you know better than I but if you're managing pure BTC trades and client accounts are funded in BTC and they can only w/d in BTC you might be okay.
jurov: hahahaha and in sloakia we don't even have general attorney elected for over a year
unbalanced: where "might" = risk, sure. If you have better info than I pls link so I can educate myself... no rush.
jurov: i say, withdraw the fuck from coinbr while you can
jurov: tiberiusiv , yes it was. a year ago
Chaang-Noi: kako hell no, not until well over $1000 and im willing to wait a few years:)
gribble: There are currently 808.85515 bitcoins offered at or under 87.0 USD, worth 70368.6225068 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
jurov: okay so wait till then and stfu
jurov: but they will have to get enough btc from these "crime elements" first. not that will be fun
jurov: or they will turn to mircea. that will be even moar fun
Bugpowder: the bottom line is that it is the most secure site with by far the highest volume
jurov: anyway it isn't for sale. it's like berkshire hathaway "nobody will pay these trillions"
Bugpowder: and has an owner that actaully knows what the fuck he is doing
Bugpowder: unlike every other BTC startup I have seen
jurov: tiberiusiv i see some % of that volume and can vouch that it *is* there
jurov: how do you know the volume is on NYSE? on forex?
jurov: you obviously consider yourself intelligent, so do it
jurov: yes, fiat scammers have to maintain appearance
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav tiberslav we are going to change the world, we are the new masters
Bugpowder: coinlab and coinbase haven't figured out the suit part yet either
jurov: tiberiusiv: have you seen him burning qu'ran?
Bugpowder: yeah that vid could be problematic to wall street
Chaang-Noi: offened? just increased the odds his ass gets killed
jurov: seems it gor removed :/
kakobrekla: funny so much to say over romania when usa is full of btc failed biz and scams and jesuses on meth
jurov: yes, mp had article abuot famous knife fight too
hhh: I liked MP training class for gypsies.
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav tiberslav, he is a jesus on meth, but from nigeria
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.475 BTC [+]
jurov: but anyway wallstreet has its own problems and it's well possible it won't survive move to deflationary currency
gribble: There are currently 997.4039 bitcoins offered at or under 87.0 USD, worth 86755.5680726 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0020 seconds
jurov: can't find. ask him to see it
jurov: in slovakia they learned and are all white-collar now.. would prefer romanian ways sometimes
hhh: Only if you are not the one in the trunk.
gribble: There are currently 9357.0707 bitcoins offered at or under 92.0 USD, worth 837704.987653 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
jurov: no, only schengen zone (free movement) was delayed
Chaang-Noi: i got a box of some of the finest cubans in the world, and no lighter....
gribble: There are currently 6359.1076 bitcoins demanded at or over 82.0 USD, worth 536315.344566 USD in total. | Data vintage: 34.9539 seconds
gribble: There are currently 36661582 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9860755.86811 USD in total. | Data vintage: 64.1093 seconds
jurov: nah. they said the same about slovakian gypsies
jurov: and many indeed went to UK
jurov: but mostly they found a work there and are happy
jurov: no significant crime there
hhh: You don't know romanian gypsies.
gribble: There are currently 22997.679 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 2160753.28198 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds
jurov: no janitorial, babysitting, etc.
jurov: tiberiusiv don't be racist. they will work given the opprotunity
jurov: but in eastern yourp there's longtime econ crunch, few opportunities
jurov: patently false. when there was less than 12% unemployment here politicians celebrated
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 250 @ 0.004 = 1 BTC [+]
jurov: and it's over 20% atm
hhh: Romania Unemployment rate: 4.3%
jurov: and that's impossible in spain?
hhh: You are welcome to come here if you are jobless.
jurov: before 2009 there was less than 10% in spain. here never since revolution.
Diablo-D3: the problem with unemployment is it doesnt include the people who became disabled just so they could survive
jurov: tiberiusiv we have quite generous support payment for few months. so they mus have some accurate accounting
jurov: otherwise ppl will riot when they;d receive nothing
Diablo-D3: otherwise we would have rioted in 2000 when congress refused a recount
jurov: as opposed to me. ic.
Diablo-D3: and then in 2004 when bush was re-elected after putting our nation into extreme debt, destroyed education, destroying social security, and destroying our medical infrascruture
jurov: anyway... these are the gypsies you tell as "don't know what the work mean"
Diablo-D3: oh christ not the gypsy shit again
jurov: they often pick up work we despise
jurov: Diablo-D3: you obviously don't care
jurov: but i have few friends with darker skin and know how hard it's for them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.46500025 = 2.325 BTC [-]
jurov: when ppl tel "they will steal" on sight
Diablo-D3: DEM DARE DARKIES, THEY'YA STEAL YA BLIND
Diablo-D3: MAH GRAMPY'S GRAMPY WAS IN THE WAR YA KNOW
Diablo-D3: THE CIVIL WAR, AND THE NIGGAHS WON DAT
jurov: and now why do you think that is?
Diablo-D3: because white people are the most racist fucks on the planet
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: dude, we killed white people because they wernt white enough
KRS-1: my experiences have shown me it goes both ways diablo
KRS-1: experiences may differ of course
Chaang-Noi: d3 learn asian history and culter, trust me on this
Diablo-D3: jewish? nope, not white, even though you're 100% genetically german
Bugpowder: ok now tiberiusiv has earned the ignore
Diablo-D3: disabled? nope, white people can automatically grow new limbs, srsly
Bugpowder: take your rants somewhere else you fuckhead
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav getting trolled and asking people to shut up, hahahah
Diablo-D3: and then we get to the big leagues over in soviet russia
Diablo-D3: they killed everyone who couldnt grow a stalin-esque power mustache
Diablo-D3: they use it to scare off wolves and potential suitors
kakobrekla: The euro extended losses following media reports that Pier Luigi Bersani, the head of Italy’s center-left alliance, ruled out forming a coalition government, saying that only an “insane person” would want to govern Italy.
jurov: russian women scare wolves with mustache??? i thought they use the perfume
Diablo-D3: jurov: no, thats to scare Putin away
kakobrekla: speaking of italy, tiberiusiv was a roman emperor
Diablo-D3: tiberius is also kirk's middle name
Chaang-Noi: hell i bought at 3.5 40 stable is awesome
gribble: There are currently 1391.9833 bitcoins offered at or under 87.5 USD, worth 121250.751869 USD in total. | Data vintage: 68.8257 seconds
gribble: There are currently 827.90834 bitcoins offered at or under 87.0 USD, worth 72027.1649475 USD in total. | Data vintage: 83.9231 seconds
gribble: There are currently 827.90834 bitcoins offered at or under 87.0 USD, worth 72027.1649475 USD in total. | Data vintage: 116.9298 seconds
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 87.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
gribble: There are currently 228.73736 bitcoins offered at or under 87.5 USD, worth 20009.1910906 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.7427 seconds
gribble: There are currently 1430.3342 bitcoins offered at or under 88.0 USD, worth 125629.001767 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.4077 seconds
TomServo: tiberiusiv: So how does the SP500's 4% growth for march corrolate to BTC's 145$? (roughly)
Chaang-Noi: some of wall street invested in btc :)
Chaang-Noi: you must be a billionaire cuz you know so much
MJR_: wouldn't it be great to have a tradeable volatility index?
TomServo: ok - I just missed the 'smaller less liquid' piece - we don't need to go through the whole thing again.
Chaang-Noi: if the sp500 goes down 20% btc will lose more than 100% of value right?
Chaang-Noi: so a 41% and btc loses more than 100% right?
TomServo: I would say that is a 'loose' correlation at best.
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav tiberslav the expert with .35 btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00442 = 0.221 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.85 BTC [+]
MJR_: i guess the OIX has some similarity to the VIX or VXX...but i don't think it does the implied variance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [-]
TomServo: tiberiusiv: what does that make what you're doing?
assbot: Last trade for VTX on HAVELOCK was at 0.532 BTC [-]
TomServo: I think it's crazy the fork didn't have a bigger impact. I still don't understand it.
Chaang-Noi: tiperissuv what is your day job? or you a welfare kinda guy?
splnkr: i'd like to know the amount of -wallets- in existence rather than addresses to better gauge adoption
Chaang-Noi: there is a chart for that, i dont have link ready :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.009901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.565 = 2.825 BTC [+]
splnkr: tiberiusiv: how can you assess that
gribble: There are currently 1443.1185 bitcoins offered at or under 88.0 USD, worth 126757.23828 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
gribble: There are currently 488.05041 bitcoins offered at or under 87.71 USD, worth 42758.3837702 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.3323 seconds
splnkr: tiberiusiv: are you familar with s-curve new tech. adoption rates?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7051 BTC [-]
splnkr: i'd expect one of those in terms of -BTC adoption-, not price
saulimus: that's why freicoin sounds like a better idea, but who's going to want that? nobody...
splnkr: how's that different from any other currency
gribble: There are currently 3551.0734 bitcoins offered at or under 89.84 USD, worth 314914.120344 USD in total. | Data vintage: 23.6477 seconds
gribble: Error: "bc,vwap" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "vwap" is not a valid command.
saulimus: I just want a coin that's "fair".
gribble: Error: "24hrprc" is not a valid command.
MJR_: saulimus: lol my friend was just saying that freicoins were cooler
gribble: There are currently 242.79055 bitcoins offered at or under 87.71 USD, worth 21288.6741198 USD in total. | Data vintage: 113.9707 seconds
saulimus: no, but it's better for some things to be fair than none at all
MJR_: i said...on their website they say that people will want to hoard and will move to gold or bitcoins
MJR_: the only times demurrage has really worked was with fiat and govt control
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.60100, Best ask: 87.64000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03900, Last trade: 87.64000, 24 hour volume: 74410.88664766, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.70000, 24 hour vwap: 81.34377
MJR_: you can't force people to adopt a currency they have to spend, so it is an interesting thought experiment, but will never succeed
error4733: can't wait before a early dump 100K just for fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.593 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 36662286 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9836023.47991 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0190 seconds
error4733: what is the command to see the impact for a 10k dump
saulimus: tiberiusiv, a bitcoin that doesn't reward early adopters in a huge way. just like you said, the wealth distribution is a lot worse than in fiat.
MJR_: who cares about wealth distribution
MJR_: rich people spend money
MJR_: ThickAsThieves: i muted him, so i am only seeing one side of the convo
MJR_: it's derivative trolling now
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav is a fun troll we will get tired of in a day or so and all have him on igniore
saulimus: he sounds a bit bitter and angry
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
gribble: There are currently 943.5047 bitcoins offered at or under 88.0 USD, worth 82991.945217 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.2569 seconds
MJR_: he does sound bitter and angry...some people will take any attention, even negative (see: lindsay lohan)
error4733: yes but some early will want cash out at certain point
gribble: Current Blocks: 228258 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 1565 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 12 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6736564.18643 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.60841
MJR_: i don't know about you, but it appears that $100 is pretty much certain in the next month
MJR_: so if most people see $100 coming...i think they would wait till around then, high 90's etc
MJR_: then we get a little pullback
Chaang-Noi: thing is, no one is cashing out, or if the did, it was at 30
MJR_: and more people jump in to push us past that level, my projection at least
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 837740.3477 USD and would take the last price down to 81.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 83.7740 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 86.3440 seconds
MJR_: i might sell one or two
error4733: so tib what you say is, we play with 1M BTC because 9M is blocked in healty address and stay there ?
gribble: There are currently 729.12237 bitcoins offered at or under 88.0 USD, worth 64148.2153717 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
error4733: look good for me ! that me my BTC is 10 time more valuable
MJR_: error4733: 10X more able to move the market at least...it's similar to S.DICE's situation
Chaang-Noi: wonder if 95 will break by the time i wake up tomorrow
Chaang-Noi: lol, try selling all google or apple stock in the world at once
MJR_: Chaang-Noi: some one is always on the other side of the trade
MJR_: so someone is buying all the appl or goog in the world
Chaang-Noi: there are more google shares than bids
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.90501, Best ask: 87.96700, Bid-ask spread: 0.06199, Last trade: 87.96700, 24 hour volume: 74596.54084966, 24 hour low: 75.20000, 24 hour high: 87.96700, 24 hour vwap: 81.52881
Chaang-Noi: tiberslav you have no valied point... just stfu lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7051 = 4.9357 BTC [-]
MJR_: its basically (your position) ^ -1
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.715 = 20.735 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 416.45479 bitcoins offered at or under 88.0 USD, worth 36647.2587645 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.745 = 7.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7489 BTC [+]
MJR_: what you said to the negative first power
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.74899 = 2.996 BTC [+]
smickles: thestrin1puller: the ;;seen me's are starting to get confusing. Do you use it as some kind of market indicator? ;D
Chaang-Noi: i wonder, should i really buy a boat? or get a real boat? hmmmm
smickles: really buy a boat or buy a real boat?
gribble: There are currently 99.482627 bitcoins offered at or under 88.2 USD, worth 8774.26253061 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.1237 seconds
smickles: thestrin1puller: np, want to provide me a better link for you?
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: yeah, this is the 5th dividend this month
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: oh, dunno, got the pre-dividend tx so far
deadweasel: he's been gone for a while, thanks to /ignore
deadweasel: i unignore him sometimes just to take his pulse again, but it plagues my screen, so i usually re ingore
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [-]
smickles: i thought it a little funny, pointing out tiberiusiv's accusation agains mircea_popescu with links to their -otc ratings
unbalanced: Someone should tell that waller that if he just moves it to $190, everyone will follow him at this point.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.60000, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 72723.62126118, 24 hour low: 75.60000, 24 hour high: 88.24300, 24 hour vwap: 81.94089
Chaang-Noi: d3 okay got mine to, but now shoing up on client, but in block chain info
unbalanced: What did someone say above? whalebears?
smickles: ThickAsThieves: it's mostly just another way to share links
smickles: heh, there is probably a little more input than your facebook feed gets
jurov: but you think first comment will be WTF? ELI5
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.0157 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: heh, maybe there's a market for eli5 mpex
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.015707 BTC [+]
jurov: that would be best done as redirect straight to satoshi dice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00418223 = 14.2196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00415002 = 2.49 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: for 1371 shares, 5.175525
Diablo-D3: and remember, they just paid one for 10.x 3 days ago
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.24301, Best ask: 88.48700, Bid-ask spread: 0.24399, Last trade: 88.24301, 24 hour volume: 71375.87196489, 24 hour low: 76.80000, 24 hour high: 88.48700, 24 hour vwap: 82.17944
Chaang-Noi: dont know but that was just paying the 163k
Chaang-Noi: i wanted to know what it was with the 400k and that is still over 1% a week right now, awesome
Chaang-Noi: okay so .0075 is 1% of current trading value
Chaang-Noi: esp with bfl fail and maybe 60 ghs soon
ThickAsThieves: i'd still feel better of share price went back to .9 though :)
Chaang-Noi: if the 60 ghs comes on line it will be well over 2btc
ThickAsThieves: "First week's normal dividends paid. The balance payment of the next batch, as well as the premium for a full-mask to guarantee our quantity production (200 TH/s or more, depending on how well BTC/USD could do) within the next three months, are partly taken from this week's revenue and the next week's. So the dividends within these two weeks are lower than normal."
Bugpowder: my calls are raping everything right now
Bugpowder: $6000 profit each dollar rise in btc price
MJR_: Bugpowder: i read that as bt closer
MJR_: and i was like NICE, coffee is for closers
MJR_: yeah, i am seriously considering going long asicminer
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.131 = 0.917 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.13 = 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: TIME TO BUY A NICE SET OF STEAKKNIVES
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 25 @ 0.1253 = 3.1325 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1439 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 36661713 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9815526.0337 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0188 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.73 = 3.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.73 = 3.65 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: you know, we might actually break 100 before friday
Bugpowder: in which case... those 750Ts would be profitable
Bugpowder: I guess 15:00 is when west coast US opens for biz
gribble: There are currently 55.752531 bitcoins offered at or under 88.7 USD, worth 4945.2495272 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.9561 seconds
gribble: There are currently 926.48815 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 82396.9086874 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.9719 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4351.9612 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 389854.772436 USD in total. | Data vintage: 18.6086 seconds
gribble: There are currently 10903.49 bitcoins offered at or under 95.0 USD, worth 997552.815755 USD in total. | Data vintage: 23.4400 seconds
gribble: There are currently 20573.206 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1947966.64786 USD in total. | Data vintage: 26.6799 seconds
deadweasel: so these c750 options. their original price is set by mpex. as the expiry approaches and BTCUSD goes up, the cost of one option increases?
thestrin1puller: but if the price fluxes real fast that's when it's a good time to buy/sell and option
deadweasel: so by now, C750T at .2499 would not really be profitable to buy, assuming VWAP stays up?
thestrin1puller: C750 was good to buy yesterday when the price 24hprc was at ~69 but the current price was 75
Bugpowder: the C750Ts are not being offered by mpoebot
Bugpowder: they are being offered by me, and one other unknown party
Bugpowder: I am willing to sell at a 100 break-even price model
deadweasel: :) I am willing to understand that, if I was so able.
Bugpowder: interesting how smooth the asks are up to 100
gribble: Time since last block: 47 minutes and 11 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 228264 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 1559 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6745408.56422 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.7405
jurov: lmao... some chips blew
deadweasel: So, the Optoins offered should change after friday, right
deadweasel: There should be a C800T, C800N, C8500T, C8500N, etc.
jurov: tl,dr: It’s the intention to offer strikes from 20 to 200 at a step of 3 via the MPOE bot (so 20, 23, 26 etc).
MJR_: can people create their own strikes?
smickles: I like the *all time high* thing on bitcoinity
MJR_: smickles: me too! but why bother taking it off...every tick is a NATH
deadweasel: so the bot will start listing, brokers buy, say jurov, and posts some on Coinbr?
smickles: I've missed all the cartoon tho :|
jurov: MJR_ you can on bitfunder
MJR_: no i was wondering about MKOPT
MJR_: can you use that to make your own strike or will it be rejected
jurov: MJR_: you'll be rejected
jurov: you have to use existing MPSIC
jurov: deadweasel: coinbr doesn't offer own options. what you see on New order should be the saem order book as on mpex
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
gribble: There are currently 817.2041 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 72697.3513288 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds
jurov: except that there's some spurious caching added at ddos time, it seems.
Chaang-Noi: ahh i wanted to break 89 before bed :/
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.75001, Best ask: 88.75800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00799, Last trade: 88.75001, 24 hour volume: 69349.69370356, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 88.80000, 24 hour vwap: 82.50051
gribble: There are currently 13120.794 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 1092667.62994 USD in total. | Data vintage: 50.4148 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.45300000 / 0.46644661 / 0.47500000 (32 shares, 14.92629165 BTC), 7D: 0.40010000 / 0.48668579 / 0.53000000 (1220 shares, 593.75665772 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.54086072 / 0.68950000 (5570 shares, 3012.59421043 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.47000000 / 0.60045594 / 0.73925000 (263 shares, 157.91991127 BTC), 7D: 0.38280000 / 0.42498831 / 0.79900000 (11466 shares, 4872.91591485 BTC), 30D: 0.38280000 / 0.42498831 / 0.79900000 (11466 shares, 4872.91591485 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.65000000 / 1.78333333 / 1.85000000 (27 shares, 48.15000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.78399689 / 2.00000000 (193 shares, 344.31140034 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 2.09413745 / 18.00000000 (661 shares, 1384.22485269 BTC)
jurov: having sex life dependent on btcusd rate, goat?
smickles: thestrin1puller: got it. i'll have that to you sometime later today :)
MJR_: so, i had a price target of 100
MJR_: what should i update that to?
Schadenfreude: Christ, 5 hours and the transaction still didn't get confirmed
MJR_: but curious, 1/1/2014 BTCUSD = ?
jurov: Schadenfreude: sry... seems i should raise txfee... it's 0.00001 atm
smickles: those seem to be taking 1 to 2 days on avg currently
gribble: There are currently 1048.5819 bitcoins demanded at or over 88.5 USD, worth 93100.3146358 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0062 seconds
gribble: There are currently 776.95498 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 69124.0795319 USD in total. | Data vintage: 3.6501 seconds
gribble: There are currently 727.55853 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 64735.6745809 USD in total. | Data vintage: 33.1093 seconds
Schadenfreude: So it shouldn't come through until the day after tomorrow? Sucks
gribble: There are currently 727.55853 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 64735.6745809 USD in total. | Data vintage: 56.1564 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 1 minute, and 55 seconds
Chaang-Noi: 462 kb? this will fork the chain again right?
gribble: There are currently 467.83979 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 41636.9315048 USD in total. | Data vintage: 25.5033 seconds
smickles: Chaang-Noi: that issue should be resoled
jurov: the issue was around > 800k iirc
jurov: depending on bdb config
smickles: there was a patch for the older clients, and the newer ones just don't care. and most of the older clients have upgraded
smickles: that charts the current client distribution
ThickAsThieves: hackers and spammers will be the new weather, "How's the 'net today?" "oh a little slow, big ddos in China holding the east"
gribble: There are currently 173.42393 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 15434.7301313 USD in total. | Data vintage: 90.7996 seconds
gribble: There are currently 6.9601388 bitcoins offered at or under 89.0 USD, worth 619.45235676 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.99000, Best ask: 89.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 89.00000, 24 hour volume: 69625.16135317, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.61294
gribble: There are currently 227.02482 bitcoins offered at or under 89.4 USD, worth 20262.5963564 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.1871 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.99000, Best ask: 89.24499, Bid-ask spread: 0.25499, Last trade: 89.24500, 24 hour volume: 69606.26929719, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.61516
smickles: it's ok Bugpowder, this is just a bubble.
Bugpowder: no sense in selling calls unless vwap is dipping
deadweasel: C750Ns on coinbr are ask .31 bidding .20... ...... shit I need spreadsheet.
deadweasel: hrm, you think he'd let a noob take look at it and possibly us it?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 89.10000, Best ask: 89.24500, Bid-ask spread: 0.14500, Last trade: 89.01050, 24 hour volume: 69610.04605213, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 82.63423
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.46500025 = 2.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.46500011 = 1.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.465 = 2.325 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.46 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.459 = 1.377 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.458 = 1.374 BTC [-]
deadweasel: well that's exactly what i needed. Now I just gotta play with it and digest it.
deadweasel: Namworld: I'm looking at your spreadsheet, THANK YOU!
MJR_: well while 2014 is far away, and there will be a big variance...$200?
MJR_: 9 months out will be a crap shoot, but let's shoot some craps
ThickAsThieves: its pretty much counting your chicks before they hatch
MJR_: you have to have SOME idea of what you think is going to happen
MJR_: I think we'll hit 200 this year
MJR_: that is my price estimate
MJR_: i'll revise if there is news or trends
MJR_: but if things continue along their current trends, i am guessing 200
MJR_: they could...that would mean we hit 200 by 2014
MJR_: you can't get higher without going through 200
MJR_: meaning me hit 200 on the way to something higher
MJR_: and i revise estimates again
MJR_: my expectations were 100 by year end
MJR_: and now i think that was too conservative
MJR_: so now i need to adjust my price target
MJR_: given the current situation
MJR_: so i am guessing 200 now
ThickAsThieves: if you are basing your target off of history, that's pretty conservative
MJR_: not a target of on this date...but rather BY this date
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.00000, Best ask: 88.17056, Bid-ask spread: 0.17056, Last trade: 88.17056, 24 hour volume: 69973.08329761, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 82.68129
jurov: o i was looking to bitfloor
gribble: There are currently 3604.954 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 323360.286725 USD in total. | Data vintage: 3.8502 seconds
MJR_: oh wow, bitfloor is at 91.95
MJR_: and getting taken at that price, right now
deadweasel: Bugpowder: that spreadsheet tells me that all options, bought at their current price would be a loser.
MJR_: the bulls are rampaging today
MJR_: deadweasel: yep...you are buying them expecting a rise in price
deadweasel: but the rise is already here, so the price of them has gone up?
MJR_: deadweasel: also, probably you should never take the ask
MJR_: we are limited by the top of 75C
mpexbot: smickles: O.BTCUSD.C750T Bids: ['5 @ 0.11564277', '1000 @ 0.11255256']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.24999998', '1005 @ 0.24999999']
MJR_: at expiration we can play up to 200
smickles: you buy c75 on it's own expecting 100 to be broken and held, currently
deadweasel: also, is it 24hprc or 24vwap? I though tit was vwap
smickles: deadweasel: bc,24hprc is the 24h vwap across all exchanges on bitcoincharts
smickles: and that's the number mpex uses
Chaang-Noi: Most Online Today: 2285. Most Online Ever: 3809 (June 20, 2011, 02:56:13 AM)
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
deadweasel: why is the ;;bc,24hprc different than the vwap on ;;ticker -- is it because ;;ticker is taking Gox only values?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.24000, Best ask: 87.99980, Bid-ask spread: 0.75980, Last trade: 87.20000, 24 hour volume: 71455.63235364, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 82.79927
MJR_: yes vwap is only gox i think
jurov: no, it should be all exchanges
jurov: it was quite different fron gox-reported weighted price
jurov: yes smickles is right
MJR_: wow the subreddit has gone hockeystick i think
MJR_: and only 25 mill to 1 billion dollars
jurov: unconfirmed txs increase by 200-300/hour
gribble: Time since last block: 38 minutes and 3 seconds
jborkl: 3600 waiting transactions
MJR_: which is 2,000 more than like a day or two ago i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10893 @ 0.00061253 = 6.6723 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.36201, Best ask: 87.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.51799, Last trade: 87.88000, 24 hour volume: 71664.46749013, 24 hour low: 76.82000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 82.96333
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.593 = 1.779 BTC [+]
bgupta: ASICMINER raising hashing target from 50TH for second batch to 200TH!!
bgupta: (slightly lowering divs for the next three weeks to fund the extra capacity)
kakobrekla: asks for password via gui for new addy
bgupta: ah nvm misread.. the 2nd batch is still 50TH, but he is putting together a 3rd batch of 200TH.
bgupta: err third batch of 150TH.
MJR_: hope the price falls, i'd love to scoop up more asicminer
jurov: you can in turn lend it to mp :)
bgupta: well.. not sure how far shorting would go.. I don't believe anyone owns these shares on margin, so guessing not too many weak hands.
MJR_: i wouldn't be shorting
MJR_: just trying to get best price
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.593 BTC [+]
bgupta: The problem as I see it is that if someone wants to get in on btc without too much work, they have three choices 1) buy btc 2) buy mining gear 3) buy mining stocks. As long as AM is leading the metrics, it will carry a premium and be a go to investment, since modern mining gear that will last more than a month or so, can't really be easily had.
bgupta: (and owning plain btc seems less interesting)
bgupta: I'll admit that AM probably has from a strict value investment pov prolly gotten ahead of itself.. but it's a better deal than a) owning fiat, b) building/ordering rigs now, c) other mining stocks.
bgupta: and certainly less risky than leverage plays.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.593 = 1.186 BTC [+]
bgupta: any one know how much each BFL chip produces Hashrate wise?
bgupta: in theory I mean… IE Full prod run is something like 70k+ chips.
bgupta: want to know how many TH we are looking at if they ever ship.
bgupta: (Obviously if they ship it will take a long time to clear backlog)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 49 @ 0.68 = 33.32 BTC [-]
bgupta: they wouldn't still be taking orders.. if it was 0..
ThickAsThieves: for example, what if their chip design simply doesnt work
KRS-1: I have a preorder as a money transfer request to BFL's bank..looks like it has a preorder number on it, but never sent the transfer..they say it will hold my position though...I wonder.
bgupta: I'm expecting them to ship by June.
bgupta: err by some time in June
bgupta: closer to June than now.
ThickAsThieves: i suspect there really is a big problem with their system
KRS-1: I heard June today myself.
dub: ThickAsThieves: your AM div guess was a bit low
dub: what the fuck is with this esnding satoshis idiocy
bgupta: Hard to know that friedcat was going to choose this period of time to invest in another 150TH of gear. his guess prolly would have been better had they not.
bgupta: actually it would have been low in that case..
ThickAsThieves: chinese proverb say “If you are depressed, you are living in the past. If you are anxious, you are living in the future. Peace is only found in the present.”
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.11119 = 0.556 BTC [-]
[\\\]: who is getting it now?
MJR_: apparently cyberbunker is where the ddos is originating
MJR_: but it is targeted at spamhaus
MJR_: unfortunately they are leveraging dns servers
MJR_: so some people are getting slow downs
Bugpowder: spamhaus should redirect to whitehouse.gov
MJR_: thats a quick way to get someone to notice
MJR_: i really want to see an alternate mesh network spring up
MJR_: with community owned hardware
smickles: MJR_: I've heard the meshnet in seatle is pretty good
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00414 = 0.3105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0044799 = 8.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.45700001 = 1.371 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.457 = 1.371 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.456 = 1.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.455 = 4.095 BTC [-]
MJR_: 97.60 ask on bitfloor...it could hit 100 there today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 591 @ 0.00448 = 2.6477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5409 @ 0.00448 = 24.2323 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.455 = 5.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.455 = 1.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.454 = 1.362 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4531 = 1.3593 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.45205 = 1.3562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.452 = 1.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 33 @ 0.45 = 14.85 BTC [-]
topace: its been preetty close lately
MJR_: smickles: I am going to have to look at that...nyc should have had one a long time ago
topace: from havelock to coinbr? or from coinbr to havelock ?
topace: i suppose either is possible
topace: i'd have to talk to jurov about the implementation detaisl
topace: but yea, anything is possible
topace: it only works for mpex becuase mpex issues a gpg signed receipt that i can verify and ensure uniqueness on
jurov: well, such functionality is on hold at the moment
jurov: cause i don't trust the engine it's 100% reliable
MJR_: if the prc goes to 100 the 75 calls are worth it
jurov: so i can do the transfers manually on request
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.45 = 3.15 BTC [-]
MJR_: maybe very very slightly worth it
topace: jurov: well if you ever get a request to push or pull from havelock, lemme know, we can do it manually
jurov: i can use normal havelock interface, that;s not a problem
jurov: just on my side checks need to be done
topace: to push to havelock yea, our normal "paste the mpex receipt" will work fine.
MJR_: what is the link to see expected sdice dividends?
topace: if i get a request from someone to push from havelcok to coinbr, how would i go about that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.44 = 4.4 BTC [-]
jurov: topace, contact me then or send email (support@coinbr.com has gpg key published proper)
topace: (not that i've ever had a request, but good to know)
jurov: yes, it's not requested so often
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.593 = 5.93 BTC [+]
MJR_: thanks ThickAsThieves
MJR_: ThickAsThieves: so it looks like no dividends this month?
MJR_: ah well...i am thinking of doubling down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.593 = 1.779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 46 @ 0.00415002 = 0.1909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 165 @ 0.00415001 = 0.6848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9540 @ 0.00388018 = 37.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0038801 = 3.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00387779 = 3.8778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00385207 = 3.8521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00385206 = 38.5206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.0036 = 0.6336 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.432 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: The pain of this loss will be healed by the call profits.
MJR_: well...there are two choices now with sdice if you got in after the first ipo
MJR_: you give up, take your losses...throw the btc you have into a bond or something
MJR_: or double down on sdice
MJR_: as the price drops when others pursue strategy 1
MJR_: and then reap some great dividend in april maybe
Bugpowder: I think its a great value at .00399999
deadweasel: is there a mechanism in place for SDICE to repay stockholders in the event MPEX somehow dies? (i'm not saying this is going to happen, I"m asking if there is a strategy)
Bugpowder: The complete account contents are available as a gpg encrypted file
deadweasel: awesome. would passthroughs continue to operate?
KRS-1: what are the s.dice dividends like
deadweasel: why are you doing business with them? namecheap.com
deadweasel: they make it difficult on purpose. they implemented this during SOPA, when namecheap starteds stealing their customers
ThickAsThieves: but if call them, i will surely lose $40+ in life force from stress
MJR_: i registered 3 domains on namecheap (btcshares, btc-etf, bitcoin-etf) like 1 week before they announced accepting bitcoins
MJR_: $40 is a good deal... :(
MJR_: Bugpowder: i wish i coiuld have paid in btc
deadweasel: MJR_: you made money by not using BTC for that
MJR_: but i like to support btc based businesses
deadweasel: me too, i hear ya. I paid for VPN with BTC.
MJR_: eventually anyone who sells at $100 will be like i could have waited for a million
deadweasel: but todays rate i paid 300$ for 1 year of VPN
MJR_: this is all more accounting than anything else
MJR_: and after all....i may lose out on paper profits
MJR_: but i have never payed close to 80 for a bitcoin
MJR_: think last time i dumped fiat was at 49
deadweasel: lol, i bought 5 at $67 in the dip, just because I hpe for BTCUSD at $1000
MJR_: i bought at 26...that was my biggest buy, it was around 30 or so
deadweasel: gotta go ya'll, thanks for all the help today with the options OIX! many thanks!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.429 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.422 = 1.266 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.42150001 = 0.843 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.4215 = 3.372 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4002 = 1.2006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.4001 = 2.8007 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: time to unleash hell on an innocent customer support person...
Ukto: over 250btc sold (half) within the first few minutes
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009994 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00349 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 233 @ 0.0035 = 0.8155 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.672002 = 8.736 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.20004, Best ask: 88.48899, Bid-ask spread: 0.28895, Last trade: 88.48899, 24 hour volume: 72845.53914176, 24 hour low: 77.13000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 84.05146
TomServo: Haha...a financial system without fraud. That's going great so far.
jurov: financial system without fraud and corruption. nailed it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7000 @ 0.00399999 = 27.9999 BTC [+]
deadweasel: nope, back up, was getting 503 for a minute
MJR_: smickles: you could say the system doesn't have fraud, though fraudulent people use it
MJR_: no one would say the dollar is fraudulent because bernie madoff took dollars
MJR_: its fraudulent because it is artificially inflated
smickles: MJR_: this basically reminded me of the falkvinge all in
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 30 @ 0.01889435 = 0.5668 BTC [-]
deadweasel: oh yeah, I missed the P too. jesus, I'm gonna get eaten alive if I start trading options. balls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.401 = 4.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]
topace: anyone know why mtgoxlive.com hasnt worked in ages?
topace: hehe true i've been using bitcoinity lately too
topace: but sometimes i like the mtgoxlive chart just to have open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
dub: I cant edit my system path because FUCKEN SKURITY
dub: must resist urge to choke these fucks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.50108, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49892, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 70885.65101480, 24 hour low: 77.90000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 84.33496
TomServo: blockchain.info is reporting 2333 unconfirmed transactions, not sure if that's accurate
Bugpowder: I finally decided tiberius is an idiot
MJR_: Bugpowder: why did it take this long? did i miss something?
mircea_popescu: there's been a pool of 2-5k waiting txs since about 3 months ago
MJR_: lol, also its funny
MJR_: once everyone moves to bitcoinity
MJR_: it starts slowing down and fucking up
MJR_: i think the fact that blockchain info has a proxy too now
MJR_: nah, its just that everyone slammed clarkmoody
MJR_: so it stopped working
MJR_: then moved to mtgoxlive so it stopped working
MJR_: and now bitcoinity is really slow and the bottom chart disappears and needs to be reloaded
smickles: < mircea_popescu> there's been a pool of 2-5k waiting txs since about 3 months ago << that's a bit misleading, it's not like there are unconfirmed txns that have been waiting that long
Bugpowder: he has a general framework and understanding
dub: tbh the anti spam industry is full of retarded fuckwits that deserve to die
mircea_popescu: smickles a no, i just mean there's a sort of pool for the cheapskates who won't add a fee
Bugpowder: also one of the biggest douches I have come across
dub: they are mostly hillbillies with no operational experience
smickles: maybe just the way i read it tho
mircea_popescu: what's the avg for a nofee tx to make it to a block by now, 12 hours ?
mircea_popescu: dub that they're clueless/stupid is not even the main problem. they're crooked.
mircea_popescu: as in, selling access to spammers. they're not the antispam industry, they're the spam apportioning industry.
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> but he is half blind << i still think he's trying the "i am king of the world you must play my little debate games on my terms for me to understand the world or else it won't be understood by one such as me to its detriment" sillyness
jurov: quite a mayhem ensued on #bitfunder, Ukto dropped another IPO
Ukto: _I_ didnt drop it..
jurov: put it in place without pre announcement
Ukto: for all I know..with another issuer going nuts wanting to launch
Ukto: there might even be another today
Ukto: and he hasnt made any secret of it
jurov: lol, so i will make another 20% on it?
jurov: (i just sold call option to namworld expiring today)
smickles: quickbtc is bitcoin for google wallet
Ukto: they have an excellent history/rep :)
mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin for google wallet supposed to make money ?
Bugpowder: I use my google wallet all the fucking time
Ukto: mircea_popescu: he sells btc using google checkout
Ukto: they do a special membership thing, to get ppl identified
smickles: mircea_popescu: i get email too :D
Bugpowder: when are people going to get that bitcoin is bad for microtransactions
Bugpowder: the container of shoes vs. the shoe analogy is good
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder never, because i said it, and i'm a sociopathic arrogant evil guy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.439 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I'm still waiting 3 weeks for a response to my inquires about where my earphones are from the bitcoinstore
mircea_popescu: o wait, my email gets better. "We noticed that you haven't signed in to your eBay account for quite some time, and we'd like to invite you back to buy and sell again. eBay's a great place to buy what you want, and sell what you have."
mircea_popescu: not like... "hey, we notice we suck because we're douches" but "we notice we're so incredibly great"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.439 BTC [+]
Ukto: Bugpowder: 20%+ on ebay depending on category
smickles: "MPEx will never list anything which mircea is not a majority shareholder"
jurov: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5f2e6c77f8ae4bf16888289715057650abb8d69bb81c889f36665505
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 26 @ 0.00399999 = 0.104 BTC [+]
smickles: but we can't believe you because you're romainian
mircea_popescu: so basically mpex makes more dough than all the exchanges combined but we can't believe this cause i'm evil.
smickles: and you live in the good part of romainia, so you're an extra good scammer
smickles: i'm simplifying what he said, but the spirit is there, imo
mircea_popescu: but it's funny you know, the assumptions people make who are ignorant of history.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: no cryprian atm bombs near you lately ?
mircea_popescu: mpoe was here before bitcoinica. what's that matter tho if you're born march 2013
mircea_popescu: Ukto romania is actually in such a good position i prefer keeping lei to euro.
Ukto: i just ment angry mob wise
Ukto: not neccesarily funds :)
Ukto: i didnt think there would be many angry cyprians
mircea_popescu: see, here's a thing : romania is ~20mn people and holds ~120 tons of gold.
smickles: funny sorta-similar-bank-name's atm
mircea_popescu: non-germany yurp is like 300mn people holds what, 1000 tons ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no this is actual gold. romania is lucky in that the natl bank governor is literally the brightest mind in the field atm.
mircea_popescu: think greenspan, except he gets a romanian deal, whereby he owns that chair and ocasionally gets to be the prime minister.
jurov: mircea_popescu: are you planning to coopt him?
Bugpowder: Santelli is not happy with gold anymore
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
mircea_popescu: jurov no. we can't coopt each other sadly, but honestly he's smart enough.
mpexbot: smickles: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 77.33064121 high: 81.26895624 low: 48.45744947 volume: 71439 btc: 8379.0230226 30 day: no data
Bugpowder: "securitization of gold has killed it as an ayn rand end-game currency"
jborkl: assbot> I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. < I like that assbot
mircea_popescu: ya but on the other hand... securitization of gold is unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: gold has serious issues that don't go away just cause we'd wish them to.
dub: "if the internet felt a bit more sluggish for you over the last few days in Europe, this may be part of the reason why."
dub: reaching europ from th einternet has always been sluggish
jurov: gold issues will be overcome when we get teleportation tech :D
smickles: *non-destructive teleportation tech
Bugpowder: I recommend drinking aqueous gold so that you can incorporate it within your essential bodily tissues
jurov: and get killed to harvest it, eya?
mircea_popescu: some idiot is going to go "brain surgeon researcher guy recommended this toxioc stupid process"
smickles: oh that's right, Bugpowder you have a position of responsibility
jurov: no thanks. i prefer MMS drops.
Bugpowder: do you turn gold if you drink colloidal gold?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.40003, Best ask: 87.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 87.40001, 24 hour volume: 70763.99455011, 24 hour low: 78.02000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 84.48762
mircea_popescu: i think there's cutanous inglobation and also the potential for some benign visceral tumours
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.40004, Best ask: 87.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 87.50000, 24 hour volume: 70598.11766889, 24 hour low: 78.02000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 84.50209
jurov: Bugpowder, better get implant with privkeys
jurov: won't trip metal detectors
jurov: and available at nearest vet :)
jurov: privkey has to be on some private location
Namworld: Suiting place for a private key.
Bugpowder: Europeans at a real advantage here
jurov: really all 'muricans are shaved and cut?
jurov: or because of tsa?
Bugpowder: changing now that some states no longer pay for the procedure
mircea_popescu: so basically... upon news that bitcoinity is mpex approved everyone hammers site into the ground.
jurov: yes? did not notice anything
pizzaman1337: I'm pretty sure the blockchain.info inclusion of it probably did that
jborkl: mp, can i get a deposit cleared
jcpham: more info on the 300gbit ddos
mircea_popescu: jcpham lol cloudflare trying to parlay themselves into any ddos discussion.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.34999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
TomServo: Did they blame juniper again? heh
mircea_popescu: these all-marketing corps will end up driving us into the ground.
mircea_popescu: already the all-marketing banks fucked up this generation's life.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]