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deadweasel: also, it's just software. you ever seen 100% bug free software?
deadweasel: not me
mircea_popescu: yes, i have.
mircea_popescu: do you want to see some ?
benkay: deadweasel i imagine you see mostly pretty buggy software
mircea_popescu: this windows worldview is intolerable by now.
mircea_popescu: "o, we just shit in the code because really, who cares"
jurov: why do the girl (or/and you) insists going into such arguments? that's excellent the bait for taking the debate away from core points
deadweasel: benkay mayhab I did, mayhab I didn't
mircea_popescu: in this cause because wuille's lie needs to be excised.
jurov: arguing who did or did not solve anything brilliantly or ducttape
mircea_popescu: they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand.
mircea_popescu: and they need to understand that they are kinda dumb. i dunno why they've not got it this far, but...
mircea_popescu: it might be all the fanboism
jurov: yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential
mircea_popescu: it may be tangential technically. there are significant political concerns involved here.
mircea_popescu: let's just say the forum is not the github
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mircea_popescu: deadweasel <? echo "Hi this is 100% bug free"; ?>
mircea_popescu: let me know when yo ufind a bug.
deadweasel: how much are they paid?
mircea_popescu: if i fuck a girl and she sucks at it
mircea_popescu: and i tell her that and her response is that question
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.695 = 1.39 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: does this make me think she was actually any better than i originally thought ?
deadweasel: you've lost me
mircea_popescu: you take a girl out, right ?
deadweasel: i'm just curious how big the dev team is and what their budget is.
mircea_popescu: ah, i read an implication there.
mircea_popescu: the dev team is about six people (it does not include Luke-Jr, tho he keeps trying to pretend he's a dev)
jurov: i mean, what's the objective? getting devteam to admit their process sucks? then such argument misses the objective (albeit narrowly), cause it's aimed to people, not to process
mircea_popescu: they aren't paid, except for gavin, who is probably not paid anything much at all.
mircea_popescu: the foundation collected about half a million dollars which that conman from ycombinator controls
mircea_popescu: and will probably constitute the scamdrama of this summer.
mircea_popescu: jurov the objective is to illuminate the very rotten structure of their arguments.
jurov: i doubt this approach. you ought to decide whether you want to educate or get things done
jurov: not conflate it together
mircea_popescu: could this be extended to read "you ought to decide whether you want to run mpex, educate or get things done"?
jurov: whatever. as long as you know what ur doing
mircea_popescu: well, i hope i do and that's the best you can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: but if those who get things done don't educate, who will ? those who don't ? we;ve seen the results of that one heh.
smickles: so, it has come to this
jurov: those who will be left behind will educate themselves, as usual
mircea_popescu: smickles not quite so cut and dried yet,
smickles: this being 3:13 pm
smickles: ;D
mircea_popescu: i suspect past the original shock a good chunk of them ppl are actually reasonable in the head.
jurov: smickles, what?
smickles: jurov: what what?
jurov: that 3:13pm ... at least add the proxy, i confirmed t working via http://www.ipv6proxy.net/ , too
smickles: $proxies
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com"]
jurov: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: can has ipv6
smickles: $proxies GPv6MV5E
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]
smickles: wait, did i just nix one of them?
smickles: oh what did i just do?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you resolved it by proxy ?
jurov: noooo ipv6proxy is just testing site
smickles: one sec
jurov: mpex6.coinbr.com is the business
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.75723, Best ask: 46.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19277, Last trade: 46.95000, 24 hour volume: 49142.94060722, 24 hour low: 43.75080, 24 hour high: 47.29500, 24 hour vwap: 46.23022
mircea_popescu: the calm. this is impossible
mircea_popescu: no 30% swings in a day ? waht sort of bitcoin is this!
jurov: someone click that $1m button quickly
smickles: $proxies DfwUaFTD
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://www.ipv6proxy.net"]
smickles: !!!
jurov: facepalm
jurov: smickles, why not use the list i supplied?
mircea_popescu: smickles count the dashes baby
smickles: $proxies Dsc5KCB9
mpexbot: smickles: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
jurov: thanks!
smickles: jurov: i did, i messed up by pasting just the sig
mircea_popescu: :D
smickles: w/o the message
mircea_popescu: i feel better nao
mircea_popescu: deposits flushed btw
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.0
mircea_popescu: ajhaha
mircea_popescu: this guy lmao
benkay: what does that mean?
mircea_popescu: wannabe mpoe-pr, w/o the tits, w/o the spit&grit ?
mircea_popescu: benkay that.
benkay: what do you mean by "flushing deposits"?
mircea_popescu: a. mpex deposits and withdrawals are processed manually.
kakobrekla: he throws the coins in the toilet and flushes
mircea_popescu: that means a queue builds
kakobrekla: bye bye
mircea_popescu: ta-daa
benkay: i've always wondered why you do the deposits by hand
benkay: instead of depositor-unique receipt addresses
mircea_popescu: benkay there was exactly one bitcoin business unaffected by bitcoindev idiocy
mircea_popescu: guess which.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1 = 1.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: thats why withdrawals have been deprecated on mpex
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mircea_popescu: hint : no, it wasn't those that trust them, like btc-guild.
benkay: i understand withdrawals.
mircea_popescu: you should understand deposits by the example i just gave.
benkay: are you talking about mpex deposits into customer addresses?
mircea_popescu: ...
smickles: benkay: manual withdrawals protect the customer, manual deposits protect mpex (maybe)
mircea_popescu: (sometimes)
benkay: i don't really get why incoming funds need to be processed by hand
jborkl: Lol, withdrawals have been deprecated
benkay: not trying to say you're doing it wrong. trying to understand why you do it the way you do.
mircea_popescu: but think, benkay. version .8 comes out. the chain is split
mircea_popescu: okpay gets a deposit in
mircea_popescu: it is then doubplespent on the other chain
mircea_popescu: the other chain inexplicably prevails
mircea_popescu: okpay is out 12k
benkay: >.<
smickles: ug, who's brilliant idea was it to have an installation video and skip the text version
benkay: thanks for thinking for me.
mircea_popescu: heh. yw.
mircea_popescu: smickles sounds like something godaddy would do.
benkay: different question, mp: why u no do depositor-unique addresses for mpex deposits?
smickles: I should do that and make a video of the text 'RTFM' with a link
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay what would be the benefit iyo ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490N] 9 @ 0.2 = 1.8 BTC [+]
benkay: not having to identify deposits by amount.
mircea_popescu: suppose evil person X makes a payment to mpex.
kakobrekla: ya but one key with large sum is way cooler!
mircea_popescu: mpex later pays out to innocent person y.
mircea_popescu: taint analysis idiots prosecute person y because clearly taint analysis proves he's x.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00599987 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00599987 = 0.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
smickles: all hail the romainians for protecting us from idiot juries
mircea_popescu: this is just an edge example, there's tons of others just as good really.
benkay: hm.
mircea_popescu: testing for inbound is a few degrees of magnitude easier with fixed address
benkay: so: nail me to the wall on this one, wouldja?
benkay: i've been thinking about generating completely unique receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: s/completely/moderately
mircea_popescu: eh
mircea_popescu: how's something moderately unique ?
benkay: they're all descended from the same keypair
mircea_popescu: a okay
benkay: quibble accepted
benkay: generating new receipt addresses for each funding action
benkay: mostly for convenience on the backend
benkay: doesn't address blockchain forking, granted.
mircea_popescu: stop worring and just explain the idea
benkay: oh
benkay: customer hits funding page
benkay: new address generates
benkay: sends funds
benkay: we tie address to user account
benkay: wait for confirmations on spend to new address
benkay: credit account
mircea_popescu: you are vulnerable to a particularly nasty dos attack
mircea_popescu: i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet to 5gb
benkay: *nod*
mircea_popescu: as we know, devteam hasn't mastered the mysteries of configuring berkley
mircea_popescu: i on the other hand haven't mastered the mysteries of spelling berkeley
mircea_popescu: benkay but anyway, that's how bitbet does it.
smickles: ha! you make spelling errors too!
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's fundamentally evil or anything.
mircea_popescu: wnrog smiglez
kakobrekla: well you limit the damage
kakobrekla: that can be caused
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assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 500 @ 0.07993896 = 39.9695 BTC [-]
benkay: is it necessarily true that the wallet has to bloat?
benkay: can't you spend from the master key?
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152747.0
benkay: jonathan assia also says interesting things on the bitcoinx dev list
midnightmagic: the dev team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind
mircea_popescu: you have to keep the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in
mircea_popescu: for as long as you keep the btc there
dub: dont people tend to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his type of thing?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic may i direct you to bitcoin.orgh
mircea_popescu: dub yes.
benkay: ah, so that's how it works today.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Whatever it says there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into the codebase.
benkay: what i really want is bip0032 addresses
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get to change things just by power of friendship which is magic.
mircea_popescu: lukejr would love to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're talking about now.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, it comes in time.
mircea_popescu: most people need about six months.
midnightmagic: even the stuff he does that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for the stuff that does.
mircea_popescu: his overall impact on bitcoin is net negative.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you considered the possibility that he himself is not interested in being listed on bitcoin.org ?
mircea_popescu: and if you don't like hearing it from me, ask gavin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pretty cool.
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152498.msg1621918#msg1621918 still repeating the "unfunded opensource project" mantra
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mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: "give us more money so coinlab can float it on top of whatever it gets from users"
mircea_popescu: "but we can't finance anything useful because bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wouldn't deign jgarzik's crossposted crap with much attention.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and talk.
mircea_popescu: this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring them more asskicking.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5500001 = 2.2 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered the possibility that, if you want to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective than more?
mircea_popescu: have you ever reviewed my record ?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bet much on the future of anyone that thinks they can stand up to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote.
midnightmagic: This is a people issue I bring up, not a by-rights issue. Are you actually interested in persuasion, or just in ranting angrily because.. why?
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in persuasion.
mircea_popescu: i am interested in splitting any group into two, the sensible and the worthless
mircea_popescu: and then crushing the worthless.
midnightmagic: Then what is your purpose? Division?
mircea_popescu: if people have enough sense, they'll persuade themselves.
smickles: wtf captcha!
smickles: i just filled out a captcha, got it wrong
smickles: the next one says "almost sucker"
dub: you are clearly not human
mircea_popescu: smickles it's why i never do that, fucking hell i get them wrong half the time
midnightmagic: Reasonable humans will be turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths?
midnightmagic: Much of what you're saying is precisely what the microcash guy was saying.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
dub: and since there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev...
mircea_popescu: dub there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people there
jurov: midnightmagic can you name some of the angry raging psychopaths that were attracted to mp?
mircea_popescu: who sat on an unconfigured db setup for 4 years
mircea_popescu: very fucking reasonable.
mircea_popescu: jurov lukejr!
midnightmagic: jurov: I have seen this happen before with RealSolid.
mircea_popescu: nowait!
mircea_popescu: i mean eskimoblob! ciuciu! etc!
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you should at some point consider that the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens than actual object of observation.
jurov: lol my question was understood the other and third way around
mircea_popescu: similarities are by definition subject to this suspicion.
midnightmagic: So build the alternative already. Hire the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you think are so cheap and visionless on their own. If you think this alternative will win, build it and let it win.
mircea_popescu: why exactly do you feel the need to advise ?
midnightmagic: Why exactly do you feel the need to divide?
mircea_popescu: "you people fucked up" "please stop telling us we fucked up because :
mircea_popescu: 1. it is not nice
mircea_popescu: 2. you shouldn't be telling us this
mircea_popescu: 3. you should be doing somerthing else
mircea_popescu: 4. yo momma
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: you call this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on the eyes than the average shaved donkey butt
benkay: project managers
midnightmagic: Since when did I call the bitcoin devs reasonable?
benkay: burn with fire
mircea_popescu: so what's your argument ?
midnightmagic: I said, "reasonable humans will be turned off..."
midnightmagic: Obviously the devs themselves aren't going to bother participating in your alternative.
mircea_popescu: who, specifically ?
midnightmagic: Whoever it is you think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful.
midnightmagic: Presumably *not* insane psychopaths.
mircea_popescu: you are telling me about the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other than by reference to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't this be by definition something i'd know better than you then ?
midnightmagic: You are the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are the one who defined it.
mircea_popescu: and i am not dividing bitcoin, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: no, i made no such claim.
midnightmagic: Again, the difference here is that I am actually trying to communicate, and you are trying to be contradictory.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is NOT the group of idiots that identify with it
midnightmagic: 15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed to the self proclaimed variety.
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin is not divisible.
midnightmagic: ^^ What's that then?
mircea_popescu: what i am doing is i am dividing the group of bitcoin supporters, by taking away bitcoin.
midnightmagic: .. from the current developers, presumably?
mircea_popescu: the reasonable will follow. the "they think are reasonable" will continue in the sort of fanboish obscurity they enjoy.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no developers atm, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: just some kids drowning in code.
mircea_popescu: they're kids because their window to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed.
mircea_popescu: they're drowning in code for quite obvious reasons i won't rehash.
midnightmagic: And users who "support" them. Including the biggest exchange, most of the smaller exchanges, the major developers, the cryptographers who review the work done, the pools who secure the blockchain, and the hardware builders springing up to do so who have already made strong ties with the *current* development team.
mircea_popescu: the "biggest exchange" is written in php,
mircea_popescu: had 500 second lag during a light trade day
mircea_popescu: and just gave its us market away to a patent scam.
mircea_popescu: tyvm. the approximate sum value of your list is epslion.
midnightmagic: So is Facebook, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome to stick with facebook.
mircea_popescu: i'll go with bitcoin.
midnightmagic: I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no true scotsman"
mircea_popescu: and if you think the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in the raging psychopath group yourself.
mircea_popescu: what has the successful attack recently demonstrated ?
kakobrekla: that btc is headless
midnightmagic: Lots of things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of the whole you are referring to.
mircea_popescu: yaya. mkay.
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mircea_popescu: i note you picked the stylistical out of that list. do address the lag and the other point sometime.
midnightmagic: I'm not going to defend the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination.. to rant and attack so endlessly.
benkay: you might want to read polimedia
mircea_popescu: my motivation is to state the truth.
benkay: you know
benkay: do some research
midnightmagic: benkay: How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.
kakobrekla: trilema needs .edu domain
mircea_popescu: moar like .xxx
benkay: if you're being sarcastic, I don't parse sarcasm online.
kakobrekla: eudxxx
mircea_popescu: .edu is for things that don't change anything.
mircea_popescu: eduxxx ftw!
midnightmagic: benkay: <sarcasm>How helpful of you. I bow to your mighty helpfulness.</sarcasm>
benkay: ah
mircea_popescu: someone should make htsp and then have inane specifications
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Look, I'm telling you dude. The more you rant, the more you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view.
benkay: midnightmagic: have you read polimedia?
mircea_popescu: no dude. you are telling me that some vanitous idiots would like the benefit of claiming we're friends
mircea_popescu: but witout having to put in any work.
mircea_popescu: thing is... i couldn't care less about this.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You don't have to be friends with someone to engage in civil discourse.
mircea_popescu: i am engaging in very civil discourse,.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that some people ran off with their c++ hairball implementation of what they call civil discourse
mircea_popescu: i never got the spec and i never started caring.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in the Badge: "I tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits thereby."
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring those people.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic read bitcoin-dev sometime. it's chockfull.
midnightmagic: It is for those exact reasons why the need is great for heterogency in client implementations. Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it.
mircea_popescu: i am not creating any implementation
mircea_popescu: jesus fucking christ! dude! SPECIFICATION FIRST
mircea_popescu: what the hell is wrong with everybody
midnightmagic: Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec.
midnightmagic: That's part of what a devteam does.
mircea_popescu: more's the point, can you read c++ ?
midnightmagic: Can I?
mircea_popescu: i am asking.
midnightmagic: Yes.
mircea_popescu: do you want to summarize bitcoin code ?
midnightmagic: As you are so fond of saying, hire the braindead monkeys who can do it *for* you for the peanuts you say they're worth, and have them do it.
mircea_popescu: so i'm takingthat as a sort of up and down and all about no.
midnightmagic: I am not interested in working on that project, if you are offering me a job.
mircea_popescu: so then what are we talkin' about.
mircea_popescu: you just bored at work or something ?
midnightmagic: Are you?
mircea_popescu: sigh. mkay.
midnightmagic: I know you have trouble when people talk back to you and all, but geez man. At a certain point, don't let the concorde fallacy trap you into pursuing a dead end.
jurov: midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes?
jurov: monkeys?
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midnightmagic: jurov: I'm not. He says so all the time. Perhaps you should take benkay's advice.
jurov: midnightmagic you revealed your gaping incompetence in this area then
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i have trouble when people talk back ?!
mircea_popescu: seriously midnightmagic, i think you're abstracting your past history of interaction with who knows who and painting it on me.
midnightmagic: jurov: Still the rhetorical master I see.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know we've never met.
jurov: midnightmagic, I still lack concrete examples. Names.
jurov: Either the "reaging idiots" who supposedly are attracted to mp
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're getting at.
mircea_popescu: i am getting at this :
jurov: Or the "reasonable people" that would be supportng him "if..."
mircea_popescu: if you spend your childhood living among white people, abnd being told niggers are to be identified by x y z and they do k l m things,
midnightmagic: jurov: Your English still needs work. My verb tense in context was indicative of that-which-happens-from-here-on.
mircea_popescu: you are bound to misbehave wehn confronted with actual black people.
midnightmagic: jurov: I dunno actual names. It's irrelevant to the point.
kakobrekla: O_o
mircea_popescu: just so, it'd seem to me, you've been told how to identify independent thought, and what great evil it is, and now when you discover it in the actual world you immediately jump to the conclusion tis evil.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: O.o?
jurov: midnightmagic, so there was not the case in the past? what is the problem then?
mircea_popescu: tis not evil.
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: hello. I hope all my statements including you were correctly inferenced as rhetorical device and not assertions of fact.
mircea_popescu: lmao
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I am not afraid to be civil. Why are you?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: you know, girl wants to get married. after tears have washed pointlessly about the room, her new line becomes "why are you affraid of commitment"
mircea_popescu: i'm not affraid of commitment bitch. i just don't care for your definition of it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I assert you are, have been, and will likely continue to be uncivil and discourteous.
mircea_popescu: being civil is not a formal concern. it does NOT mean not calling people idiots. if indeed they are idiots then that's that, verity proof.
mircea_popescu: beingcivil is a fundamental concern.
mircea_popescu: people who lie by presenting the mining corruption as "consensus", they are being uncivil.
mircea_popescu: and on a related point, you don't go to heaven by never saying "jesus sucks" etiher.
benkay: what do you mean by "mining corruption"?
midnightmagic: That is an English definitional nuance which you are assuming, but which is not reality.
mircea_popescu: benkay do you know how the most recent fork was resolved ?
benkay: sort of; devs said "use 0.7" and everyone did
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that dispute as to reality will have to come to my grave.
mircea_popescu: benkay what more do you need ?
midnightmagic: Aumann's agreement theorem I guess.
mircea_popescu: stalin said "everyone vote" and evertyone did. what democratic process is this ?
benkay: heh
mircea_popescu: well ?
benkay: how many times do you think they can pull it off?
mircea_popescu: but ok, i can understand it happening.
benkay: 1?
benkay: infinity?
mircea_popescu: i CANT uinderstand it being passed for what it's not
mircea_popescu: in an ultimately doomed effort to prop the dirt as respectable.
benkay: that's just politics though
midnightmagic: Gah.. dude.. your weird sayings aren't translating so well.
mircea_popescu: well that's unfortunate for them because i happen to be better at politics than they're at coding.
mircea_popescu: benkay anyway the effort is to make sure it's 1.
benkay: i say < 3
benkay: no
benkay: less than or equal to
mircea_popescu: or better yet 5
mircea_popescu: 19
mircea_popescu: 42.
mircea_popescu: definitely.
benkay: not saying should
benkay: but offering a wager
mircea_popescu: i get it.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I didn't understand the context :P
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I was just asserting that the amount of work you do in bitcoind essentially makes you a bitcoin developer, even if your name isn't on bitcoin.org.
BitHub: hey guys did you get your ASICMINER div as well?
jurov: Luke-Jr: don't sweat, me too, he sounds serious but in the end it's all just hypothetical
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr he's somehow bothered with everyone mocking you for trying your damnest to pass yourself off as a dev
mircea_popescu: when you're a sort of glorified taaki
mircea_popescu: ie, the floor washer.
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I also proffered the possibility you didn't want your name up there on purpose, to outline our collective ignorance.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I got that, but .. why did it matter? XD
midnightmagic: Luke-Jr: I dunno why he started ranting about you. But he gets upset when I don't address each of his points individually.
Luke-Jr: midnightmagic: I don't see it as something worth my time arguing a case for.
benkay: has anything in this conversation?
Luke-Jr: in other news https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/sensemaster/91-blog-entry-deleting-o-o.html
Luke-Jr: err
Luke-Jr: wrong link XD
Luke-Jr: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/97-preparing-my-trip-bfl.html
mircea_popescu: glwt.
BitHub: ahhh Luke, going there to pick it up?
BitHub: excited?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: not sure if I'll pick it up or let them ship it
Luke-Jr: although I guess they might be expecting me to take it with me
mircea_popescu: actually just the time to get a box of fans.
BitHub: are you kind of going there to confirm it all?
dub: heh
BitHub: so you'll pretty much be teh first person with a bfl?
mircea_popescu: this will be so epic
dub: BitHub: yes re: AM div btw (sorry for the on-topic interlude people)
BitHub: nice dubs
BitHub: this weeks seemed the highest yet
dub: yeah, enjoy, next week is the last
BitHub: what?
dub: of this magnitude
mircea_popescu: ya wut ?
BitHub: WHAT?
BitHub: serial?
Luke-Jr: BitHub: I'm mainly going there to make sure BFGMiner is ready to go (shipping on the MiniRigs)
BitHub: nice
dub: catfriedrice said next weeks will fullfil the 'pay out 0.1 first' requirement, which seems about right, so next divs will be half less more expenses
BitHub: ahh ghey
BitHub: good time to sell then
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.70412 / 0.724998 (285 shares, 200.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71126 / 1 (1286 shares, 914.7 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6947 / 1 (1763 shares, 1224.8 BTC)
mircea_popescu: such a blown stock.
benkay: i know that and i'm not even holding any
BitHub: hmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 1000 @ 0.03383499 = 33.835 BTC [-]
benkay: in other news, loud black humans in snack car
benkay: ruin my train trip why doncha
benkay: sheesh.
mircea_popescu: i like country.
benkay: which?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, cash
dub: duelling banjos
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [+]
BitHub: willie nelson?
mircea_popescu: turkey in the straw if you count it
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i've listened to much of that guy.
sevenWiabores: hello
BitHub: he blazes alot
mircea_popescu: sevenWiabores hi
benkay: ^^ very important information
benkay: ;)
BitHub: haha
sevenWiabores: who are you mircea_popescu, your nick sounds very familiar
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.721337 = 3.6067 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i am mircea popescu. how about you ?
benkay: (to finish that story, the best part was the really uptight black guy staring at the loud negroes)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 500 @ 0.0453858 = 22.6929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.724869 BTC [+]
benkay: (i just told them i could block out high dB convserations or music but not both)
mircea_popescu: ok willie nelson kinda sucks,.
dub: continuing the wtfality of bitcoin asset universe
mircea_popescu: or at least his cover of blue eyes cryin'
dub: doom projected for AM profits in varios places == increased demand
mircea_popescu: benkay lol why so passive-agressive
sevenWiabores: I am just nobody, but I am pretty sure I saw your name somewhere... I am new to the bitcoin world and I am not familiar with the who's who
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.724869 = 2.1746 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dub this is becominga tradition.
benkay: hardly passive aggressive for the pacnw
jurov: gonna organize am shorting
jurov: in fact i didn't list anything new on bitfunder for some time
mircea_popescu: sevenWiabores i run mpex.
benkay: spent much time in this corner of the us, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: alternatively, some people don't like me. they run things into the ground.
dub: jurov: can you convince Ukto to make it render in firefox?
mircea_popescu: benkay which corner is that ?
sevenWiabores: aah, I see. ohai :)
benkay: northwest
dub: jurov: buttfunder that is
mircea_popescu: sure, i lived like a year in lowell, mass
jurov: dub, you mean misplaced buy/sell boxes?
Ukto: make what render?
dub: make the market link visible
LameCoin-: mircea are you from romania or US your english is american?
mircea_popescu: o nm, you said west.
Ukto: where is it not visible?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 152 @ 0.00599987 = 0.912 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- im from romania, but i've lived all over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.00599987 = 0.48 BTC [+]
dub: on the front page
LameCoin-: mircea where did you like it best
mircea_popescu: costa rica, probably.
LameCoin-: a friend of mine is from timisoara
mircea_popescu: land of eternal spring.
Ukto: dub: hm. you dont see it in the top left?
mircea_popescu: it does get boring, but very slowly.
dub: Ukto: sometimes I do
Ukto: 'View asset market'
Ukto: sometimes?
Ukto: what browser?
dub: Ukto: depends on teh machine/browser im on
mircea_popescu: dub this is like the most halpful bug reporting ever
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.72489 = 21.7467 BTC [+]
dub: ff is the failing one
dub: well its been reported before
mircea_popescu: how do you know lol
Ukto: what version? I hadnt seen it lol
benkay: mircea_popescu: why did you choose to live in romania?
Ukto: 17.0.1 works fine
LameCoin-: for the women
mircea_popescu: back in 2007 it became obvious the us is sinking. didn't want to be on that part of the world. had to go somewhere.
jurov: Ukto if you resize the width to around 1000-1100px
LameCoin-: timisoara is nice its different then the rest of romania
jurov: the view asset bar hides
Ukto: ahhhh
Ukto: i see that
dub: 19 here, pretty sure it was broke in some previous, goat was having problems a few days ago too
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's closer to vienna than bucharest indeed.
Ukto: yeah, i will get it fixed.
Ukto: thanks guys
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72489 = 1.4498 BTC [+]
Ukto: oh, i see why
Ukto: the top bar spans 2 lines and covers it
mircea_popescu: BDB bug ?
LameCoin-: mircea: do you think that fork could have been the end of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- that fork itself could have festered if anyone ddosed the attacking pool.
mircea_popescu: but not really. the burried problems that caused the fork however most definitely will end btcoin if unadressed.
LameCoin-: i really dont like these alternates like litecoin inflating the money supply
mircea_popescu: you will have to learn to live with competition.
mircea_popescu: it's as unavoidable as rain.
benkay: i'm not even convinced we've converged on a codebase
mircea_popescu: certainly are not.
mircea_popescu: just the butthurt when somebody finally says, wait, you think you people matter ?!
mircea_popescu: is ample proof this wasn't even seriously considered, let alone settled.
LameCoin-: the development team became to obsessed thinking they are economists and philosophers
LameCoin-: nerds should never be given any type of authority
mircea_popescu: when they're barely qualified to write code. but anyway :
Ukto: hm, i think I will just move terms and conditions to the footer
mircea_popescu: preparing for the "too big to fail" arguments, it'll be a warm summer.
Ukto: its wasting too much space
LameCoin-: mircea what do you mean?
BitHub: some of these guys aren't qualified?
BitHub: kind of like getting the airport janitor to fly the plane no?
benkay: oh be nice
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i mean that's what's coming next, "guise our shit has taken too much blood sweat and tears to be abandoned and we should forever wallow in it"
benkay: turbine blade engineer
benkay: still should not fly plane.
LameCoin-: are you suggesting they wont repair the problems?
mircea_popescu: that's what midnightmagic means by concorde fallacy : the mistaken idea that the current codebase is useful because it cost people a lot of money through all the bugs it pushed on them so far.
LameCoin-: why cant someone else develop it?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- they would if they could. so far their consensus seems to be they're not smart enough to do it.
Bowjob: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/
Bowjob: True story ^.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i learned about it when it was 15. bought like 1k worth
BitHub: maybe everyone should pitch in a lil btc to pay teh pros
mircea_popescu: then it was 2 for a while.
Bowjob: I told my friend about it
LameCoin-: bowjob: nobody ever buys bottoms
Bowjob: now he's like.. can I buy $300 worth?
LameCoin-: bowjob: less then 0.1% of bitcoiners actually held coins from $2 to $50
Bowjob: I'm like.. no. I can sell you $100
Bowjob: well
midnightmagic: It is applicable to that idea, were it true, yes.
Bowjob: it would be nice if you missed all the crashing
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- got a figure ?
Bowjob: This was when BTC started from 13 to 50 rally
Bowjob: it was 17 when i mentioned it
LameCoin-: mircea it works the same for any bull market, 1983-2000 dow jones 75% of the public didnt even participate one bit
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic do you have the figure for "how much unencrypted wallet.dat" cost ?
LameCoin-: everyone got in 1999
Ukto: dub: there, problem fixed
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- this is true. i'm just saying, i think a lot more people held btc than .1%
LameCoin-: from $2-50 ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Do you have the figure for how much the encrypted wallet.dat has cost?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- yes.
dub: Ukto: <3
LameCoin-: i doubt it go read on bitcoin talk how many sold out after 20-30% gains hoping to buy back in
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic sadly power-ranger team has not the time to do any auditing or reporting, so no.
LameCoin-: the 10-20 move everyone sold
Bowjob: Theres this dude who forgot he had a wallet.dat with lots of coins
mircea_popescu: Bowjob you mean bitcoinica ?
Ukto: I was tired of seeing that link up there anyways.
jurov: Ukto, did you test it in chrome?
Bowjob: nah, it was a single person
Bowjob: he gave away 350 BTC to reddit users
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- do you mean .1% by headcount or by coincount ?
Bowjob: i got 5 btc from that stash
Ukto: jurov: just did
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Always the insults. And how does derogatory statements that are purely derogatory fit under the "telling the truth" umbrella you were espousing earlier?
Bowjob: i assume he had thosands
jurov: in konqueror+webkit it still does hide
Ukto: is the terms still at the top ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic point of fact is, the only way we know how much implementing it cost is by devteam saying "we spent 5 hours doing this"
jurov: but that's fringe browser, never mind
jurov: no term si on bottom
Ukto: but it acts the same? 0,o
Ukto: i will try to check it a bit later
LameCoin-: mircea: from my studies of markets, it is very very rare that anyone participates in a huge move
Ukto: have to get konqueror
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Were you referring to how many bitcoins were lost due to a wallet being easily stolen by a hacker?
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- markets in general or bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes.
Ukto: either way, thanks for letting me know guys. mucho appreciato. :)
mircea_popescu: lol appreciato
LameCoin-: mircea: considering herding applies to all markets, even bitcoin just go read how many missed the boat on the latest rally over on the forums its astonishing
mircea_popescu: donde esta la zapatoria!
jurov: Ukto, just get webkit anything, like chromium. konqueror pulls half of kde in.
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's a weak supposition this, linear generalisation from fiat to bitcoin markets. we're still working at getting the hang of this
LameCoin-: how many in here rode bitcoin from $2 to 50
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of paradoxical movement (dub was referring one of the more documented types recentyl)
LameCoin-: or even 10 to 50
mircea_popescu: i held over 10k from 2 to 50.
mircea_popescu: significantly over 10k.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: So tell me after all these months of vitriol.. how successful have you been at dividing bitcoin into "actual reasonable people" and "worthless" people?
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact i'm not the only one.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic months ?!
mircea_popescu: fork was yesterday dawg.
LameCoin-: mircea if you take a poll of channel you will find it to be a small %
midnightmagic: You've been hating on the devs for far longer than that.
mircea_popescu: have not. quote.
midnightmagic: Uh. Okay.
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: well he has a point, the devs have turned into economists and politicians, they are suppose to be coders
LameCoin-: midnightmagic: nerds love to give themselves excessive credit when they percieve something going their way
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- i know at least a coupla people here who held, so it'd be above 1% for sure :)
midnightmagic: LameCoin-: I have no idea how you'd even show that without your hypothesis instantly falling to contradiction.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you still got any coins minted a year or two ago ?
LameCoin-: mircea: what type of market cap are you realstically expecting for bitcoin
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Continue as though I do.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2 / 119
gribble: 0.0168067226891
mircea_popescu: there lamecoin, 1.6%
midnightmagic: 1.7..
mircea_popescu: im generous, give him his .1% :p
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- re the mkt cap :
mircea_popescu: ;;google flexibility inflexibility trilema
gribble: Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/voluntary-contracts-after-a-while/>; "bernanke put" and the fed's trilemma - Pragmatic Capitalism: <http://pragcap.com/bernank-put>; External factors and Philippine monetary policy - Bank for ...: <http://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap57s.pdf>
mircea_popescu: the bah
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
mircea_popescu: i'd better start remembering at least the motherfucking titles.
LameCoin-: 14k per coin is enough to support a 50 trillion dollar global economy assuming everyone uses nothing but bitcoin
LameCoin-: so we can assume thousands per coin are not really realistic
mircea_popescu: ...
dub: LameCoin-: remember we can divide the coins further
LameCoin-: the current world has a base money supply of about 4 trillion
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- notional derivative trade is literally boundless.
LameCoin-: thats not money
jurov: dub, that could end up akin to "oh we can add some bits to internet address later"
mircea_popescu: if it settles in bitcoin it doesn't even matter if the world uses zimbabwe dollars.
mircea_popescu: jurov it definitely will,
mircea_popescu: but that's a minor point comparing to the other hairs sticking out of the code
dub: jurov: it'd require a fork yea
dub: one would hope it isnt going to require as many forlifts as your example
LameCoin-: the balance of macroeconomic power will never shift from the west in our lifetime
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- it's shifted already, forget it.
mircea_popescu: "the west" is a bit player.
LameCoin-: mircea: how so? can you name any innovations/products you actually use from the east?
mircea_popescu: products are not the point. you were discussing macroeconomy.
dub: forklifts*
BitHub: rice
LameCoin-: the east has nothing to offer to be honest
mircea_popescu: to you.
mircea_popescu: the problem seems to be you're mingling a lot of assumptions crafted for comfort into your estimations.
LameCoin-: china with 1.6billion people has *0* worldwide brands
LameCoin-: the only ones they have were purchased from the west ie lenovo
mircea_popescu: LameCoin- because by "worldwide" you count a pool of 2-300mn people nobody cares abnout.
BitHub: who needs brands when ya making money
mircea_popescu: fact is, the us has zero worldwide brands in the sense that china has baidu and doesn't care about google.
LameCoin-: bithub but they arent making money
LameCoin-: most asian companies have aweful ROI
mircea_popescu: o boy.
BitHub: is that why they own most of usa's debt?
mircea_popescu: dude. macroeconomy! balance of trade!
LameCoin-: bithub: thats because they recycle it through debasement of their own currency
mircea_popescu: 0.0
LameCoin-: mircea: the balance of trade in the EU is positive.
BitHub: west isn't even using m-wallets or m-commerce yet
mircea_popescu: the stakes just got too high for my blood in this convo.
LameCoin-: the US balance of trade is mostly energy
LameCoin-: asians are running modern day versions of mercantalism
LameCoin-: they think the way to prosperity is subsidizing exports in order to accumulate intrinsically worthless dollars
BitHub: don't hate
LameCoin-: read what happend to the british when they believed in mercantalism
BitHub: we're making money over ere
LameCoin-: once again, most asians firms have absolutely aweful ROI's
BitHub: asia baby
BitHub: buying up usa's debt
LameCoin-: if the balance of power was shifting to the east we would all be using asian brands and praising asian innovations
LameCoin-: none of that is occuring
mircea_popescu: every item you currently use was made in asia.
LameCoin-: only low end manufacturing comes out of china
mircea_popescu: your asian cultural masters slapped an american looking label on it
LameCoin-: mircea: wrong, only the lowest tech
mircea_popescu: and you're superficial enough for that to work.
BitHub: haha
LameCoin-: the largest exporter in the world per capita is actually germany
BitHub: its true, its a good trick
mircea_popescu: even when it came to it, asian firms delivered mining asics
mircea_popescu: american firms are still suckingtheir thumb.
LameCoin-: they didnt innovate them
LameCoin-: they only were capable of producing them
BitHub: but they delivered them
BitHub: what's blf doing again?
Bowjob: not shipping
LameCoin-: because they have low end manufacturing capability
BitHub: asking for more money?
LameCoin-: put it this way
LameCoin-: when mercedes builds a 100k vehicle in a day
LameCoin-: an asian manufacturer has to produce a months worth+ of low end trinkets
LameCoin-: to exchange for the good
LameCoin-: asian productivity is extremely low
mircea_popescu: dude. srsly.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is mined on asian designed, asian produced, asian delivered asics.
mircea_popescu: forget it already, you're running with a dead horse.
BitHub: mtgox is in asia now btw
BitHub: lulz
LameCoin-: yea japan
mircea_popescu: inb4 "japan is really just further west"
LameCoin-: japans entire manufacturing infrastructure was developed from western instruction after WW2
BitHub: nah i dont really care i love both the west and asia
LameCoin-: they just excell at implementation
LameCoin-: again 0 innovation
mircea_popescu: sigh.
BitHub: they both got great girls
LameCoin-: name a product innovated from japan?
Bowjob: anime
Bowjob: sushi
BitHub: fuji
mircea_popescu: "it's not a worldwide brand"
Bowjob: gundams
BitHub: bukakke
LameCoin-: all electronics were EU tech, that the japanese perfected
Bowjob: bukakke noodles are delicious
mircea_popescu: pasty-ass kids just jack off to it that's all.
BitHub: used ladies panty vending machines
Bowjob: ps1,2,3, and 4
Bowjob: yeah i forgot about that
BitHub: handjob machine
Bowjob: live sushi
BitHub: the shaw brothers
Bowjob: where they serve live fish
mircea_popescu: Bowjob sony is not a global brand stfu
LameCoin-: as i stated before, if asians were going to rule we would be in awe at all the asian brands\innovations around us
BitHub: kill bill
Bowjob: lol
LameCoin-: fact is none of them exist
BitHub: you're just racist LameCoin
BitHub: jealous of asia or something
mircea_popescu: more like ostrichist
dub: asia survive with brute force, they add little value overwall
LameCoin-: im just stating its a myth that the east is taking anything over
Bowjob: they invented engrish as well
LameCoin-: dub: exactly
mircea_popescu: dub typical scotsman argument.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying mpex doesn't add value because css.
mircea_popescu: things don't work that way, you don't get to define what value is.
BitHub: its like saying the scottish and welsh and irish add no value to britian
LameCoin-: the only value asia added was providing cheap manufacturing facilities
dub: all of these tech innovators you ascribe have higher suicide rates in their sweatshops than american unemployment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.75 = 10.5 BTC [+]
LameCoin-: there are no tech innovators coming out of asia
dub: it will cease to scale at some point
mircea_popescu: dub and maybe that's a good thing.
LameCoin-: its only primitive manufacturing
LameCoin-: they dont even have the capacity for advanced manufacturing ie germany style
mircea_popescu: dude omfg stop with the bs already
mircea_popescu: all harddrives in the world are made in the same azn river bank
LameCoin-: how is it bs?
mircea_popescu: when that floods the price doubles.
LameCoin-: yea and?
mircea_popescu: all memory is made there. all semiconductors are produced in asia
LameCoin-: putting a HD together is LOW end manufacturing
mircea_popescu: you're from a different future.
BitHub: who needs to innvoate when you can rip everything off
dub: thats edge case shit, they produce tech because we did the maff and worked out it was cheaper to let them do it
BitHub: isn't that what Hollywood did to John WOO?
mircea_popescu: myea.
mircea_popescu: the first step to own your master is copy him.
mircea_popescu: Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138919.0
BitHub: every good 90's action hollywood film wouldn't exists if they didn't rip off HK cinema
mircea_popescu: coingenuity https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152658.0
mircea_popescu: are you like, being attacked or something ?
BitHub: yeah till 97
BitHub: i remember
BitHub: and the west offers shitty products you don't need?
BitHub: like shake weight
dub: like spray on cheese and tube fish
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72489 BTC [+]
Ukto: thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00999 = 0.0999 BTC [+]
Namworld: [20:52] <LameCoin-> i think the worst thing that can happen to bitcoin is inflation of money supply through many pointless forks being created
Namworld: what do you mean? There's many forks and they're mostly valueless
kakobrekla: > trusted BitcoinTalk member < theres such thing??
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i trust people on there to deliver prime comedy
kakobrekla: man you always know how to short it.
dub: a_meteorite: because bitcoin
dub: what teh fuck
dub: LameCoin-: ^
dub: LameCoin-: because bitcoin idiots (perhaps more dconcise)
dub: I swear my typing really isnt this bad, make way less errors on local terminals, im blaming synergy
mircea_popescu: blame sensodyne integrated node.
dub: I'd blame the corporate notwork except it happens at home too
dub: because they got their bitcoin selling guns on SR
mircea_popescu: $mpexlag
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 0.110910892487 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P370T] 900 @ 0.03297065 = 29.6736 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: this one is going nice too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152784.msg1622255;topicseen#msg1622255
kakobrekla: no more margin on 1broker, icbit it lost in space
mircea_popescu: Actually there is a closing trade fee now for April and later contracts!
mircea_popescu: They added that in an attempt to force people out of their positions rather than just sitting on them; they claim it'll aid liquidity. Greedy.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: basically... they fixed the site to stop cheating after i slapped them last year
mircea_popescu: but tht didn't make much money
mircea_popescu: so...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7999 = 8.9995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.8 = 5.4 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: while bit4x traded over 50mio units on fx :p
kakobrekla: its gonna get a lot wilder with dbtc
mircea_popescu: what's that, 5mn usd notional ?
kakobrekla: hm id have to check dat
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.72489 = 11.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.724999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.724999 = 4.35 BTC [+]
jborkl: so asicminer market cap is approx 13 million usd.:(
BitHub: is that bad?
BitHub: should i sell?
jborkl: didnt we already see that show ,didnt it start with g and end with a s
kakobrekla: gas?
jborkl: reruns are kinda boring
BitHub: good times?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.8 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.8 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.725 = 15.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.7679 = 22.2691 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7679 = 1.5358 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.7679 = 17.6617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.768 = 3.84 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer.pt
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.03104, Best ask: 47.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14896, Last trade: 47.18000, 24 hour volume: 49293.76971465, 24 hour low: 44.80000, 24 hour high: 47.35000, 24 hour vwap: 46.58184
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.695 / 0.7171 / 0.768 (437 shares, 313.4 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.71809 / 1 (1361 shares, 977.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.69841 / 1 (1915 shares, 1337.4 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 46.58184 * 400000* 0.69841
gribble: 13013289.1498
mircea_popescu: 13 on the dot!
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00515 / 0.00597371 / 0.00599987 (976 shares, 5.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00413 / 0.00526468 / 0.006 (140672 shares, 740.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613969 / 0.0069 (2440740 shares, 14,985.40 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 46.58184 *100000000 * 0.00613969
gribble: 28599805.723
mircea_popescu: moar!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7679 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.83 = 5.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.769999 = 6.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.77 = 10.01 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.77 = 15.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00579 = 0.0579 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 60 @ 0.2599 = 15.594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.
mircea_popescu: le lol.
BitHub: fuck mircea
BitHub: i think they decided to give up on google and apple
BitHub: and just go after the citazens again and get their taxes
mircea_popescu: yawell
BitHub: alot of USD bitcoiners about to get fucked
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 1000 @ 0.04438197 = 44.382 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: heh I guess asicminer is going weekly dividends
BitHub: some of these companies its hardly worth risking 50btc every month to get a lil div.
Diablo-D3: BitHub: asicminer is the only company I'm really trusting atm
BitHub: want to buy some more of their shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.725 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.725 = 1.45 BTC [-]
BitHub: i'm looking for a 1btc each exit
BitHub: lil high
BitHub: bbs, pm me d3 if intrested.
Bowjob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPzw7bcfpw
Bowjob: Sell buttocins according to this dude
Diablo-D3: BitHub: not interested at this time
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.00688 = 0.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00688 = 0.1514 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000705 = 0.0071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00579 = 0.0347 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: anything interesting happen today?
mircea_popescu: notrly
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 27 @ 0.000707 = 0.0191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.04420293 = 33.1522 BTC [-]
Troic: well, etoro wants to join the fun but report all back to govt, old poker news rehashed, +ve bloomberg coverage and that malta fund thingy has new cringetastic site.
mircea_popescu: Troic apt summary.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152892.msg1622460#msg1622460
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2599 = 0.5198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.00569985 = 1.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05846793 = 35.0808 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.68902, Best ask: 47.68943, Bid-ask spread: 0.00041, Last trade: 47.68901, 24 hour volume: 49887.21742911, 24 hour low: 45.00000, 24 hour high: 47.68901, 24 hour vwap: 46.70191
Bowjob: gearing up for $48 woo
Namworld: Damned...
Bowjob: i look forward to the day I can pay with some of my expensive meals with 0.1 BTC
Namworld: eheh
Namworld: For now it affords some fastfood snack
Bowjob: yeap
Bowjob: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3td1ly/
Bowjob: my friend
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: true story
dub: whats and expensive meal?
Bowjob: 3
Bowjob: $200, for 2 person
Bowjob: thats my average price
dub: I was gonna say $200 for 1 is starting to get pricey
Bowjob: its for 2
dub: though one of my regular haunts has $1/gram steak minimum 200g
dub: thats just he steak too, sides/sauce etc is extra
Bowjob: if its $1 a gram, it better be kobe beef
Bowjob: not some americanized wagyu steak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00599986 BTC [+]
dub: its wagyu
Bowjob: from where tho
dub: I want to say australia but I can't remember
dub: might be japan
Bowjob: theres a ban on export of kobe beef
Bowjob: so it cant be from japan
Bowjob: most likely australia or america
dub: paid $1500 for a table of 5 a little while ago, with plenty of booze
Bowjob: actually, i got my info wrong japan lifted the ban on kobe beef
Bowjob: but it's still ultra rare in north america
Bowjob: i had american wagyu, it was delicious.. I wanna try the real thing one day
mircea_popescu: pork ftw.
dub: pork is shit
dub: even type-o's can't process that shit properly
ThickAsThieves: honestly i dont miss meat at all
dub: y u no eat meat?
benkay: aww blacktape where u goins?
dub: my buddy has a good excuse 'I don't eat anything that has to shit'
benkay: there u iz.
ThickAsThieves: for every reason really
ThickAsThieves: also smoked cigs for 10 yrs and quit
ThickAsThieves: just stuff i dont need or want
ThickAsThieves: anymore
ThickAsThieves: on to new vices
dub: I kicked smoking and most drugs
dub: none of my vego friends are particularly healthy
dub: they still shitty food
ThickAsThieves: i'm no supermodel, but thats mostly cuz i'm on the computer too much
dub: eat*
ThickAsThieves: doc says i'm fine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: anywho
ThickAsThieves: i think BFL will ship this month
dub: because they are flying Luke-Jr out to make the software work?
dub: given that they have not reached out to ask upgraders to return fpgas I doubt it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 449 @ 0.005 = 2.245 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mircae_popescu: what will your new method for getting order id's out to brokers be?
benkay: i'm reading your feb 2013 "innards" post
benkay: and how does that manifest as a significant pain point? i haven't noticed a significant lag between when people post orders and when the pastebin goes up
mircea_popescu: im not sure what the question is
benkay: hang on
benkay: It doesn’t currently even know what id that order will receive in the trade engine, which is even more inconvenient for brokers that handle multiple customer accounts (but we’re working on a way to significantly mitigate this, which will be the next major update barring exigent necessity).
benkay: so a) what is new method
benkay: and b) not really a question but this is a pain point for people? just wait ten seconds for order id to get returned.
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: yeah, lots of crazy people
mircea_popescu: coingenuity is it an organised effort is my question
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: no idea, i work 20 hour days so i dont really pay attention to forums
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing of note to read there anyway... just a bunch of bitcoin-tabloid type topics bout nothing :/
mircea_popescu: coingenuity i have people paid to pay attention and i have people paid to man the watchtowers for me.
mircea_popescu: paranoia ftw.
mircea_popescu: benkay superficially it is not a problem, but on the old system (before the previous upgrade) there existed windows of a few minutes between when the trade engine executed and when the web proxies reported.
kakobrekla: wtf is this horse shit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152910.0
mircea_popescu: on one occasion this window was like one hour
mircea_popescu: it obviously couldn't go on.
mircea_popescu: the solution basically allows the person putting in the order to compute a hash of it and then identify it in their execution reports.
benkay: neat!
benkay: also thank you.
mircea_popescu: at the present time it only works if your order hits the book
mircea_popescu: i am considering expanding it to work both ways and fully identify trades but there's also performance issues to consider and a whole keboodle.
mircea_popescu: anyway. working on it as they say.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol continued support
dub: pokey as in Magical Pokey Usagi?
kakobrekla: and whats with the people funding fiat investments with bitcoin
kakobrekla: are they brain dead
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, well...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
benkay: meh. let brokers track their own orders.
mircea_popescu: well ideally they should, but
Ukto: [21:21] <ThickAsThieves> i think BFL will ship this month <-- I see your putting your mouth where your money is. ;)
Ukto: j/k
kakobrekla: Beauxe : Newbie : Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! : Today at 04:07:51 AM
kakobrekla: I have run and started commodity exchanges. I am currently running one and would like to apply our technology and knowledge to bit coin. There is a decent possibility we may be able to list futures and other derivatives around BTC and LTC. Please whitelist me.
kakobrekla: fuck me.
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla better start with the See here links
benkay: mircae how did you get into the business of starting an exchange?
kakobrekla: assbot would say 'you actions are useless'
BitHub: Bit Coins
BitHub: heh
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
benkay: smoke break on train!
benkay: i'm out
mircea_popescu: why does he keep calling me mircae
kakobrekla: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U-G1FRmhtkQ/TtHOfdeKaII/AAAAAAAAAEs/H7GY4kqmG88/s1600/EhgJk.jpg
mircea_popescu: the day you find there's a new pope from this bitcoi nbetting site you're involved with
mircea_popescu: ya kakotrolka , i'm sure that's what it is.
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: "our technologies"
mircea_popescu: people are basically in the middle ages, they;'d like to apply their potions and salves
mircea_popescu: to bitcoin!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile im trolling sarah silverman. curious how this goes.
BitHub: heh really?
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/312057153810755586
mircea_popescu: in my experience nothing burns the retarded left more than pointing out that their bullshit is mostly dreamed up.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must remind them of their parents or something.
BitHub: hah maybe she's trolling?
BitHub: seems like something she would do
BitHub: nice background pic hehe
mircea_popescu: a contest!
toffoo: any background story behind your twitter wallpaper photo mircea?
mircea_popescu: i didn't even notice, what's she got ?
mircea_popescu: a puppy oh
toffoo: i meant yours
BitHub: oh i thought it was mircea walking down the street
mircea_popescu: mkay i guess i grep the logs.
BitHub: you know who's fun to troll on twitter? Kanye West
BitHub: because he'll actually take it serious and reply and go on about it
BitHub: she was pretty hot in those seinfeld eps
mircea_popescu: wait. kayne west is female ?!
mircea_popescu: toffoo too lazy to grep this monstrous 2mb log. basically, me in mexico walking down the street eatin' chocolates
mircea_popescu: out of my european caryall
BitHub: heh duh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.569 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a dude gtfo
BitHub: its a gayfish
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05716318 = 34.2979 BTC [-]
BitHub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nE7eofIeD4
BitHub: top 5 gayfish moments
toffoo: "it's not a purse, it's european"?
mircea_popescu: yeh
nanotube: mircea_popescu: update the faq and s/oldkeyid/newkeyid/. you changed it at the top, but oldkeyid persists further down.
nanotube: the mpex faq, that is.
mircea_popescu: nanotube yup, it's in process
nanotube: mk.
coingenuity: Ukto: hm, bfl?
Ukto: coingenuity: check your pms
Ukto: old fart
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 4 line quit message ? that guy should be klined
grubles: right?
mircea_popescu: totally.
grubles: mircea_popescu is there a way you can check if my account is active still
mircea_popescu: sure
mircea_popescu: ;;ident grubles
gribble: Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~buttsniff@unaffiliated/grubles', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to id
grubles: np
grubles: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user grubles, with GPG key id DDA96139C85CA43C, key fingerprint E02F7FF6CF582669BB266B53DDA96139C85CA43C, and bitcoin address 1DYVwy7Ru7fJ8HwwoL5VHTUR5jCWG38JPk
mircea_popescu: grubles yup.
grubles: kewl thanks
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 / 0.00076706 (5000 shares, 3.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074201 / 0.00076718 (903469 shares, 670.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00069343 / 0.00078628 (45613856 shares, 31,630.07 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/ijustmadethisup
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1022369/plain/
mircea_popescu: ;;ident assbot
gribble: Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mpexbot
gribble: Nick 'mpexbot', with hostmask 'mpexbot!~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot', is not identified.
grubles: spam
mircea_popescu: hehe im writing an article
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: $help post
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
mircea_popescu: $help vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
mircea_popescu: $help depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC in IRC.
mircea_popescu: $help proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: $post ijustmadethisup
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: orly ?!
mircea_popescu: $post 12455
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: heh.
benkay: *claps*
mircea_popescu: $post qU4hTtcP
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/fyMWzm04
mircea_popescu: $vwap O.BTCUSD.P750T
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'5', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'90144085', u'vsa': u'216644138243', u'vsh': u'2408', u'avg': u'89968495.9481'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'33', u'min': u'79079695', u'max': u'153153505', u'vsa': u'3065600173348', u'vsh': u'28783', u'avg': u'106507319.367'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'', u'min': u'', u'max': u'', u'vsa': u'', u'vsh': u'', u'avg': u''}}
mircea_popescu: $depth S.BBET
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Bids: ['300 @ 150000', '500 @ 140000', '1000 @ 130000', '1000 @ 120010', '5000 @ 120000']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['300 @ 181000', '500 @ 183000', '1000 @ 185000', '3000 @ 190000', '2210 @ 197000']
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
mircea_popescu: ok sorry for spam everyone, documenting this.
benkay: dev team thinks tests are silly
grubles: lul
benkay: mpex runs tests on production in public
benkay: wild west i tell you
mircea_popescu: basically i can't shake this tom green image from my head.
mircea_popescu: you know what scene when he delivers a baby in the messiest way possible
grubles: theyre too busy polishing their shiny new avalon asics
mircea_popescu: and then proceeds to yammer that he "Saved the day"
mircea_popescu: and "they have a problem with heroes around here" ?
grubles: tom green was funny when i was in middle school
mircea_popescu: grubles which is why he's so adequate in this discussion
grubles: except freddy got fingered
benkay: chorus: "go do it yourself!"
grubles: there can be alternates but they wont have the bitcoin mafia i mean foundation backing them
grubles: itll just be a fork
grubles: i think?
benkay: it's complicated
benkay: don't worry
benkay: 51% controls things
grubles: people will either have to accept one client over another
benkay: this time the devs convinced the miners to do things their way.
benkay: this may not always be the case.
benkay: especially when power begins to concentrate behind people who understand how open platforms are supposed to work
benkay: or people with lots of money
mircea_popescu: benkay moreover, especially as people with actual skin in the game start to emerge.
mircea_popescu: currently the miners are more in it for the bragging rights than for the money
benkay: not really
benkay: think cambrian explosion of bitcointech
mircea_popescu: this makes for a very dysfunctional lord of the flies environment
benkay: monoculture bad
benkay: say it with me
benkay: monoculture bad
benkay: fragile
benkay: centralized.
benkay: interoperability is typically important
benkay: but beyond my pay grade tbh
benkay: slash skill level
benkay: to comment on that.
benkay: also it's *inevitable* that the chain fork and fuck some people eventually
benkay: people all want reward and no risk
benkay: best have good tech, homeboy
benkay: but it's cool for now
benkay: the people who appreciate well engineered things will quietly keep their shit regular
benkay: while the rest of the plebnet falls further and further behind
benkay: till one day
benkay: fork
benkay: recreational miners are fucked
mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty bad future benkay
mircea_popescu: and one that is very probable if people stuck to the sort of nonsense evertyone's used to.
mircea_popescu: but i shall endeavour to break that.
benkay: no it's a possibility though
benkay: i think the system is multistable
benkay: mp wants to drive it to one place
benkay: devs don't have a vision
assbot: quest for vision is a great blessing.
mircea_popescu: i want to drive what where ?!
corpsan: benkay: lol plebnet
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://i45.tinypic.com/21m5ky9.png
kakobrekla: are they so desperate?
BingoBongo: Wow, kakobrekla; I thought I was planning something stupid...
BingoBongo: Today in a moment of weakness I was tempted to register on the WOT and start cloning the late Intrade so I could supply idiots with the Bucketshop that they need
kakobrekla: what stopped you?
BingoBongo: Whiskey Redbulls
BingoBongo: also trip to the East Side
kakobrekla: hmm
BingoBongo: I like brown sugar occasionaly.
BingoBongo: I'm just trying to figure out how little reserves a "prediction market" needs to really operate...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 600 @ 0.05662037 = 33.9722 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: maybe mircea_popescu can enlighten you
BingoBongo: Maybe
BingoBongo: I've read his critique of Intrade
BingoBongo: Maybe I'm reading wrong which wouldn't be the first time, but it seems like a fair way to separate idiots from their coin.
mircea_popescu: lol weaksauce bfl.
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo if you hedge you won't need much.
mircea_popescu: if you don't hedge you'll go bankrupt.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1408 @ 0.005 = 7.04 BTC [-]
BingoBongo: mircea_popescu I've done bankrupt in the legal liquidation sense before. Surprisingly pleasant.
BingoBongo: If your trustee thinks you drink like a certain FPGA shilling Tom they just assume you'll end up in the Salvation Army shelter anyway
mircea_popescu: maybe you shouldn't operate a prediction market :p
BingoBongo: Probably...
BingoBongo: I can only act so well
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBongo: I'll stick with practicing on established sites that maintain transparency like this http://bitbet.us/bet/302/bitcoin-standardized-protocol-approved-this-summer/
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed that the girl's announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0 ) actually predates the devs' announcement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152030.0 )
BingoBongo: >=1
mircea_popescu: for all the nuts ranting and raving about how inept she is in that thread...
BingoBongo: Really they need to kill BDB with fire. There is no other way. Gavin doesn't have a way to maintain BDB compatibility in LevelDB.
mircea_popescu: i don't grok the hate. what's the big deal ?
BingoBongo: BDB just doesn't play nicely with other databases.
BingoBongo: There's a lot of quirks.
mircea_popescu: okay... but i mean, it's old and stable, well tested, much deployed
BingoBongo: An analogy is how there is no good Postgre fork of WordPress
mircea_popescu: leveldb is just this google doohickey
BingoBongo: it is just a Google doohickey, but it works better and the license is right
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
mircea_popescu: tho i think code conservatism may be more valuable. rather use something muchly used than something faster, if those are the only two data points.
BingoBongo: The problem isn't faster the problem is scalability. SatoshiDice for all I defended it against, with BDB's locking bahavior killed BDB as a bitcoin dependency
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 225769 | Current Difficulty: 4367876.000842196 | Next Difficulty At Block: 225791 | Next Difficulty In: 22 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4829378.08809 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.56582
BingoBongo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 95281.952 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10346802.3062 USD in total. | Data vintage: 707.1424 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mircea_popescu: possibly so.
BingoBongo: ;; asks 5
mircea_popescu: i confess to having little clue.
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 753.6468 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 28952.846 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1417409.54359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 769.2750 seconds
BingoBongo: ;;bids 5
gribble: There are currently 264838.33 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 6269951.46228 USD in total. | Data vintage: 785.5630 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 912.4385 seconds
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
kakobrekla: tyvm
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
kakobrekla: ;;market sell 350000
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
gribble: A market order to sell 350000 bitcoins right now would net 6509777.9570 USD and would take the last price down to 1.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 18.5994 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1030.6224 seconds
kakobrekla: trading engine is down
kakobrekla: or smth
mircea_popescu: mine !?
mircea_popescu: nm
kakobrekla: coincidentally im just writing a short report aroud that.
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
kakobrekla: oh gribble went
kakobrekla: and im like wtf im ignored?
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0.219788 seconds
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/
mircea_popescu: the latest word in "being an asshole"
mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/beppe-grillo-northern-europe-waiting-to-drop-italy-like-a-hot-potato-8533213.html
mircea_popescu: future italian president ?
kakobrekla: uhh?
kakobrekla: do i need to short eurusd?
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: both ways.
kakobrekla: :)
BitHub: what was wrong with that italian president that has cex with a hooker?
BitHub: win?
mircea_popescu: that she was underage and stupid
mircea_popescu: and he was over 70 and kinda sleazy
BitHub: 17 at the time?
mircea_popescu: ya well, if you factor her mental age into this equation...
BitHub: ruby
BitHub: heh what a psycho
BitHub: i liked how he rigged the recent election
BitHub: noone says shit
BitHub: heh
BingoBongo: Hey, the Lira is still cheaper than quilted Northern
Ukto: wb BitHub :P
BitHub: yeah been back for an hour, caught up in cleaning, trolling, hows the testing going?
BitHub: busted me
Ukto: hehe
Ukto: other channel. :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P390T] 750 @ 0.0419584 = 31.4688 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/12/business/facebook-secrets/index.html
mircea_popescu: Less than 5 per cent of users predicted to be gay, for example, were connected with explicitly gay groups.
mircea_popescu: there is nowai to hide it now!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5492/20130311/third-closest-neighbouring-star-system-found-6-lightyears-away.htm
mircea_popescu: check out this guy!
mircea_popescu: scans old archives, finds star system
mircea_popescu: true hacker.
BitHub: you better have been luling at me then
BitHub: that was a good one
mircea_popescu: http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/5410/20130306/graphene-antennas-reach-terabits-wireless-bandwidth.htm
mircea_popescu: also!
BingoBongo: Depending on how sloppy BBet wants to get http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299176/scitech/science/cern-scientists-say-particle-is-no-super-higgs could resolve http://bitbet.us/bet/8/higgs-boson-support/ for certain definitions of both resolved and sloppy
BingoBongo: For a Dupe because the first link was crap http://news.yahoo.com/cern-scientists-particle-no-super-higgs-212306008.html
mircea_popescu: lol at the first of spring
BingoBongo: Sure
BingoBongo: It all depends on BBet's definition of publication and the amount of juices BBet has running down there desiring a won house bet.
mircea_popescu: house bets both ends tho
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the bet reads that support will be published. nonsuport being published isn't related is it.
BingoBongo: Ah, so the house proposed that one...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo no ?
BingoBongo: Ah
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, twitter
BingoBongo: Cool
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Just think the first graphene took some scotch tape and a #2 pencil
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P410T] 200 @ 0.05561259 = 11.1225 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/269/avalon-will-del/
mircea_popescu: by now it's like 8:1 for
BingoBongo: Isn't Avalon still struggling to get a fraction of the first batch out/
BingoBongo: It seems units shipped rather than units blown up is still going to be the deciding factor at the wire
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla some way to link to comments specifically ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ << that last one lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo whodda thunk that right ?
kakobrekla: click on the username
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/#c351
Anduck: wtf!!!
Anduck: why didnt the "before march" bet get any bets :(
mircea_popescu: a ty!
Anduck: well, it did get like 20 btc
BingoBongo: lol, BFL through recklessness might make it this time though
mircea_popescu: Anduck you kidding ? was like 2k
Anduck: i mean
Anduck: the before march 15th
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: dunno
kakobrekla: too easy
mircea_popescu: prolly too close ya
Anduck: http://bitbet.us/bet/261/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-15th/
Anduck: this
Anduck: yep
Bowjob: looks like btc-e is down
kakobrekla: they annouced 9th
kakobrekla: so 15th was clear win
BingoBongo: March 15th was too imaginably close. The 31st though is an inconceivable neverland of miracles.
mircea_popescu: whoa they eleced a jesuit as pope ?!
mircea_popescu: this is the end of the world.
BingoBongo: Yes they did
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo well put.
BingoBongo: They elected a Jesuit, so they boy touching is never going away
mircea_popescu: 'Fruitful mission'
Anduck: soo close the 15th march bet alrdy? =D
mircea_popescu: we'll ahve the first impregnated altar boy ?
Anduck: "Resolution: in 15 hours 51 minutes (15-03-2013)"
BingoBongo: Maybe?...
BingoBongo: If this channel wan't logged
BingoBongo: I think BFL might ship something, but probably miss the target
Bowjob: fans
BingoBongo: What they ship I don't know
Bowjob: box of
Bowjob: meanwhile.. btc-e is down
BingoBongo: btc-e is crap
BingoBongo: If it isn't NVC and trades on Btc-e it trades on Vircurex with greater market making opportunities
BingoBongo: BTC-E has more volume than Vircurex, but but Vircurex has so many opportunities to trap idiots by using thin Bid/Ask walls. If bitcoin is play money what are these altcoins...
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 520 @ 0.005 = 2.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : if you want some easy btc http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11218/there-is-exactly-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-it
BingoBongo: Already first hit on Google for "trilema blog cat"
mircea_popescu: haha nice
kakobrekla: http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-february-2013-statement/
kakobrekla: ?
mircea_popescu: awww!
kakobrekla: or that counts as a dragon? :)
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: cause there's another one :D
kakobrekla: well scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.54900001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.549 = 13.725 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11221/there-is-exactly-another-one-article-on-trilema-featuring-the-picture-of-a-cat-find-that-one-too
mircea_popescu: in yo face foo!
grubles: the 'cat' a euphemism for the female body part?
kakobrekla: hm?
grubles: if so there is probably more than one post
kakobrekla: you deleted the answer or what
kakobrekla: i couldnt find the button
grubles: er is 'cat'*
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: grubles nope
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla its a diff q
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: right
kakobrekla: i see.
grubles: mircea_popescu: lies
mircea_popescu: and yes there's approximately speaking between 5490680 and 59804586 cunts on tyrilema
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: and also i'm having clam chowder soon
grubles: mircea_popescu: the red or the white?
mircea_popescu: white
grubles: do...do you get that reference or are you the only romanian that has watched ace ventura
kakobrekla: cause of the pope?
mircea_popescu: im takin' that one to my grave.
grubles: nooooooooooooooo!!!one
BingoBongo: kakobrakla your bounty on Rugatu is redeemable now
kakobrekla: my balance is 0
mircea_popescu: scam
kakobrekla: yep
kakobrekla: for real wtf
kakobrekla: shoudlnt this be instant?
BingoBongo: Ah, needs to move from pending to approved. SHould be available in 2 hours, probably...
BingoBongo: It should be...
BingoBongo: Instant...
kakobrekla: O_o
grubles: i feel like your nick should be bingoboingo
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is getting ideas for bitbet
BingoBongo: He should be...
kakobrekla: i am?
BingoBongo: Srsly...
mircea_popescu: yes, how to make it more like suck
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136325237356.gif
grubles: dat slap
kakobrekla: is not bad.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769998 BTC [+]
BingoBongo: Does this count for the second scavenger hunt http://trilema.com/2010/retete-de-criza-astazi-pisica/
kakobrekla: id say you hit the motherload.
kakobrekla: imma gonna have to translate it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00999 = 0.999 BTC [+]
wh1t3r4bb1t: Send me around the world on bitcoins only so I can document it and make a movie
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t where are you starting from?
wh1t3r4bb1t: Antarctica
BingoBongo: I'm afraid your best bet is to spin around in a circle... I'm afarid the price to drag my Saturn down there is a bit too steep...
wh1t3r4bb1t: I will zig zag around the world proving that you do not need anything but bitcoin to survive.
wh1t3r4bb1t: No saturn
wh1t3r4bb1t: Only boats trains and planes
wh1t3r4bb1t: no cars
wh1t3r4bb1t: or trucks
wh1t3r4bb1t: maybe a bicycle here and there
Anduck: selling asicminer @ 0.78
BingoBongo: wh1t3r4bb1t It seems you underestimate the ability my plastic Saturn L-series sedan has shown to swim in the past...
mircea_popescu: BingoBongo nah, actually that's rabbit
mircea_popescu: (3rd commenter even identifies it correctly)
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: it translates cat
kakobrekla: i think
kakobrekla: strange.
mircea_popescu: yes, the point of the article is "here's how you cook cat"
mircea_popescu: but it's really rabbit.
kakobrekla: a
mircea_popescu: pisica = cat ; iepure = rabbit
kakobrekla: rabbit meat is kinda borring to me
kakobrekla: but its healthy or smth
mircea_popescu: just low fat.
kakobrekla: horse ftw.
mircea_popescu: indeed
mircea_popescu: all these doods with the kobe bs never had decent mare.
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.769998 = 7.7 BTC [+]
dub: hot with dat gpu rig running
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7351 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.07093982 = 53.2049 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: just me misinterpreting regular price fluctuation in btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0054 = 1.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.769998 = 3.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769999 = 3.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingobongo hey, SalvorHardin and Philip both win. mark the first guy as winner and tell the other to get in touch here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and omg wtf apparently trilema is fulla cats.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005199 = 0.052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so in the end is bitfunder streaming quotes or not rly ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: the internet is full of cats
smickles: and trilema is a subset of the internet
smickles: logic
mircea_popescu: ya but girls are full of cooties, guys are a subset of hm
ThickAsThieves: BF is doing websockets
mircea_popescu: i know there's something wrong with your logic but unsure what exactly
ThickAsThieves: so someone just has to grab them
smickles: mircea_popescu: it's an informal fallacy
mircea_popescu: also cooties
smickles: general -> specific
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00999 = 1.998 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm testing my sales system now, since i've decided to release what I have now as a 'beta' at half price.
smickles: re: the gui app
mircea_popescu: o hey
mircea_popescu: (also, you might consider making use of the ref system)
smickles: I haven't put thought into how that would work yet
smickles: but i do like the idea
smickles: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 5 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.737 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its not (yet?).
mircea_popescu: ah k
mircea_popescu: i thought it was coming together yest. my bad.
kakobrekla: i did go about half way yea
kakobrekla: nature is amazing.
mircea_popescu: !amaze nature
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.39839 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so, the first thing that any serious crypto currency needs/makes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153106.msg1624962;topicseen#msg1624962
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 4847647.1520656
kakobrekla: "gettin high on your CPU power"
kakobrekla: ah sry
kakobrekla: litecoin is now mined with gpus
mircea_popescu: today's installment of "evil" mp : http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,estimate
gribble: 6068019.81599933
dub: jebus
dub: ;;bc,nethash
gribble: 35978.971550544906
mircea_popescu: the unknowns.
mircea_popescu: asicminer is taking over
mircea_popescu: watch luke & idiotco learn chinese to better explain why everyone should care about their pasty-ass preconceptions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.16 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.1502 = 1.3518 BTC [-]
dub: well apaprently lluke has 5th of asic on his pool
dub: and that better not be asicminer
kakobrekla: jesus
kakobrekla: http://www.rugatu.com/questions/11266/php-array-to-string-conversion?page=1&focusedAnswerId=11270#11270
kakobrekla: these coders.
mircea_popescu: lolz
Namworld: ASICMINER will need to get a better chip out soon after these first batches tho
dub: pretty sure that was the plan
mircea_popescu: actually i got confused, i meant avalon.
dub: shrinking the process is not as hard as starting over
Namworld: yeah
ThickAsThieves: mp your article is kinda depressing. i think you might underestimate how many people feel like they are the only ones that see The Right Way, and separately that you could just as easily not be Right at all (life is tricky that way). You seem to care (be bothered by) so much about people that you feel are worth so little.
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: so how do you distinguish ?
ThickAsThieves: who is Right, you mean?
ThickAsThieves: only oneself I guess
mircea_popescu: a not at all.
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish between the case where you're right and the case where you're wrong
mircea_popescu: obviously this isn't a vestable attribute, like "being tall"
mircea_popescu: it's a case by case thing
ThickAsThieves: or a nonexistent thing
mircea_popescu: well, if you're going the route of relativism might as well forget about action at all
mircea_popescu: and focus on the senses.
mircea_popescu: hedonism ftw.
ThickAsThieves: i think human nature includes wanting everyone to be more like what you want
ThickAsThieves: some people handle that by just copying others to be more like the group
ThickAsThieves: some try to influence others
ThickAsThieves: to be more like them
mircea_popescu: but you are aware that life selects, right ?
mircea_popescu: evolution forces species to be more like "right", for a natural definition of that term.
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna be careful cuz i'm, not quite the level of philospher/anthropologist you are
mircea_popescu: me either.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: but ultimately what's right, it seems, is that which keeps us most adaptable as a species
mircea_popescu: that's one theory.
ThickAsThieves: possibly comes from an expiring stage of our species
mircea_popescu: understand, i'm not saying there's anything wrong with the "what keeps me out of pain is right" approach in general.
mircea_popescu: im just saying it's woefully inadequate in anything to do with money, or more generally value
ThickAsThieves: money is the currency of life/time
mircea_popescu: yeah something like that.
mircea_popescu: i wrote a piece long ago, in romanian,
mircea_popescu: basically my theory is that the sensate world is underpinned by two essences
mircea_popescu: one is language, the other is money.
ThickAsThieves: i guess you just seem extra soapboxy lately
ThickAsThieves: and if i were a psychiatrist i'm sure i'd be able to figure out why
mircea_popescu: haha so find one
ThickAsThieves: one theory i have is intelligence is a burden
mircea_popescu: heh. do you live in the us ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: you know... we've seen this before.
mircea_popescu: all of it.
mircea_popescu: well... you wouldn't know cause you don't read russian, but it's not new.
ThickAsThieves: i'm no Einstein, but I al constantly disappointed in people
ThickAsThieves: al=am
mircea_popescu: 1970s, the soviets were going "great", thinking people were starting to suspect intelligence is a burden.
ThickAsThieves: and i had to kind of find a zen place to balance it all
deadweasel: me too, ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: i, like most of here us probly, seek out control of our environment
ThickAsThieves: since we cant change people
ThickAsThieves: we just dont associate with them
ThickAsThieves: irl at least
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1624754#msg1624754
deadweasel: tried that route, it's a hard road
dub: I know mrb isnt an idiot, so can someone explain to me why AMs costs go up if BTC/USD does?
ThickAsThieves: if costs go up, costs go up
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: dub i don't see why it would be related.
jurov: mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php looks stale
dub: ah nm, I think he's arguing against someone who thought the increasing BTC/USD was a good reason to buy AM at these prices
jurov: as certain diligent coinbr user spotted
mircea_popescu: jurov any particular spot ?
jurov: S.DICE has much different order book data than on asset page
mircea_popescu: looking.
ThickAsThieves: mp, is there anywhere i can read about this russian intellgence as a burden stuff?
deadweasel: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/For-40-Years-This-Russian-Family-Was-Cut-Off-From-Human-Contact-Unaware-of-World-War-II-188843001.html
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/14/us_malware_catalogue_hacked/ The US government's online catalog of cyber-vulnerabilities has been taken offline – ironically, due to a software vulnerability.
deadweasel: Clearly they didn't like atheism.
deadweasel: so that's a pointer
ThickAsThieves: i saw that one dw
mircea_popescu: jurov i just went through s.dice, failed to see a difference ?
ThickAsThieves: interesting read it was
mircea_popescu: the jsons are not sorted, could that give the impression the book is different ?
deadweasel: no doubt. imagine that -- running for your lives into siberia.
mircea_popescu: jurov oh i see the problem. the cache's sick.
dub: deadweasel: eeeevillldooooeeerssss
smickles: dammit!
smickles: all of the sudden there is an issue with the underlying toolkit i'm using
smickles: D:
deadweasel: fuckles
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: jurov check now!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm not sure there's a better source of all soviet woes in englush than stoljenitsn
mircea_popescu: or however his name is written in english
mircea_popescu: Solzhenitsyn heh
jurov: mircea yes now it's fresh :)
mircea_popescu: say ty to dilligent user for me :)
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i'm adding safeties to not have stale cache again. this one managed to get away!
deadweasel: /home/dxaccess-qa/dxaccess/bin/start-results-migration.sh
deadweasel: crap, this is not a terminal
mircea_popescu: o.o
mircea_popescu: deadweasel : simple rule. have all terminals white on black. have all non-terminals black on white. problem solved.
deadweasel: yeah, simple rules don't fix things for idiots.
deadweasel: i'm trying though.
deadweasel: lol
deadweasel: you will be disappointed with what you find
deadweasel: unless you like lab results for horses, then you'll be ecstatic
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla likes horses.
kakobrekla: yeah but not the riding or the fucking part.
ThickAsThieves: the eating out of
jborkl: eating out horses?
deadweasel: well, alot of them have abscesses and whatnot. and cancer. and growths.
jborkl: That is kinda sick, but whatever
ThickAsThieves: funny now that everyones testing all the meat to see what animal dna is inside
deadweasel: yes, the horses are sick. so they go to the vet. the vet takes blood, sends it to our lab, we send the results to our pretty webUI
ThickAsThieves: oh look pig and lamb!
jborkl: I was referring to him eating out horses
deadweasel: no doubt
ThickAsThieves: no diggity
deadweasel: i like the way you horse it
deadweasel: time to punch out, adios fellas
kakobrekla: lol now alex jones is talkin on bitcoin
kakobrekla: haha
kakobrekla: like listening to a rock.
TomServo: kakobrekla: What brilliant insights does he offer?
kakobrekla: so far he has the balls the admit he has no clue
kakobrekla: the = to
jcpham: stay away from it kakobrekla
TomServo: Well, that's something I guess.
mircea_popescu: whi's alex jones ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/297/litecoin-surges-to-02-bitcoins-per-litecoin/
mircea_popescu: how often do you see true 1:1 split ?
dub: alex jones is teh face of libertardanism
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5b71a25a862c24f0927276f970937619b057231843eb509b905fdcf3
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
mircea_popescu: a ok
jurov: Reminder - I'm still processing S.MPOE claims for helpful MPEx users
jcpham: alex jones is an paranoid whacko
jcpham: bilderburg 9/11 inside job loony
jcpham: let's be clear
dub: yea like I said libertarian
jcpham: .
dub: straps 3 ar15s to his penis before he leaves the house
jcpham: in reality...
jcpham: lives in fear and never leaves the house
mircea_popescu: dub wait, libertard is someone who believes in global warming and shit about how you shouldn't say nigger, right ?
mircea_popescu: ie, a retarded liberal
ray: Since you're talking about, Alex Jones thinks Max Kaiser is the creator of Bitcoin
jcpham: dub isn't being descriptive enough
jcpham: dub is down playing this man
jcpham: he has a dedicated following of sheeple willing to do what he says
ray: yep, have you got your water filter yet? essential to remove the government drugs that make you docile
mircea_popescu: lol prison planet /infowars
mircea_popescu: ok, great.
ray: haha… 1776 will commence again… hilarious! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg
TomServo: Alex's interview with Piers Morgan was hilarious - if you're ever bored.
mircea_popescu: something tells me by 2015 we will be all doing some diff chain and mostly we'll be saying "no, this is not bitcoin, no this is not associated with the weirdo bitcoin devs, the weirdo bitcoin talkshow hosts and the weirdo etc"
TomServo: It seemed like he was making a concerted effort to appear as batshit insane as possible...quite strange.
dub: TomServo: hilarious is one word for it
dub: yeah the batshit is strong in that one
TomServo: embarrassing is another
dub: you'd be uptight too wearing a 30kg bar of silver in your ass
TomServo: I think things would be rather loose in that case.
kakobrekla: basically AJ says Max Keiser created Bitcoin
kakobrekla: hehe they mention intrade
kakobrekla: ;;ident kakobrekla
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user kakobrekla, with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
jurov: brb
smickles: ;;goxlag
gribble: 48.115083 seconds
smickles: hmm, there hasn't been an order reported from gox in a while
smickles: about .5 hr
smickles: strange, bitcoincharts is seeing orders
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00068 = 0.0204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: markedathome dude you're becoming like a beacon of sanity or something
mircea_popescu: "So please, lets just admit we aren't up to spec and have never been up to spec, and focus on getting there instead of pretending that "the world is after all perfect, if requiring a little adjustment" is a bastion of software engineering."
smickles: /l markedathome
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 70 @ 0.00068 = 0.0476 BTC [-]
smickles: oh, not here tho
markedathome: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1623175#msg1623175
kakobrekla: fuckin stupid bitcoind
kakobrekla: sendfrom "x" addy ammt
kakobrekla: sends from addy y
kakobrekla: not from x
kakobrekla: stupid.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, some guy has the following point :
mircea_popescu: "So for a single database transaction which consists of all Bitcoin transactions in the block the number of locks required is O(N * log_b S). This number has no upper bound, it logaritmically increases with the size of blkindex.dat."
mircea_popescu: basically... the current bug would have wiped us.
dub: kakobrekla: stop complaining and code your own one nyeaa nyeaa nyeaa
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769996 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: this just fucked.
kakobrekla: and its not some optimisation feature as well
kakobrekla: cause they all got nice blocks of 100
kakobrekla: but noooo
kakobrekla: lets not take what user specified
kakobrekla: lets take some other euqal block of 100
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, from reviewing the summaries of ~15mb of public and private conversations re this bug i'm sort-of contented that people have mostly got it,
mircea_popescu: and while they have somewhat humanly understandable trouble coming out with "We're idiots", nevertheless the message has landed fine and people are working at it.
mircea_popescu: ima give it a month or two and see.
smickles: ug, why can't i tell this thing to use my self signed cert ?
TomServo: I don't understand how the price is holding given the uncertainty surrounding the bug.
mircea_popescu: TomServo alex jones.
smickles: anyone know of a good free ssl cert issuer who isn't just mining me for information?
TomServo: haha
mircea_popescu: smickles nope
smickles: mircea_popescu: i thought you just didn't use ssl, so how would you know?
smickles: :P
mircea_popescu: why do you think i don't ?
smickles: conflated memory, probably
jurov: smickles, startssl? can't get much better than that
smickles: free for a yeah, eh?
smickles: *year
kakobrekla: those certs are like 10$ a pop
jurov: yes. then you just make other request and go another year
kakobrekla: why would you hassle with startssl
smickles: kakobrekla: what do you suggest then?
jurov: i got comodo positivessl
kakobrekla: dunno find a source of cheap ones
kakobrekla: i have a guy here that can make em for 10e or so
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu where is that pissing on the devs thread urlpls
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.769996 = 1.54 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.0
kakobrekla: ty
mircea_popescu: o lol
jurov: lol, there's also spanking thread to each according to their taste.
Namworld: Well I managed to get gigavps to remove me from skype by arguing against his paid upgrade.
kakobrekla: lol
jurov: oh Namworld, btw i got an invoice from bitvps
Namworld: Not sure how he justify all those costs...
jurov: i hereby recommend you all to stick it into orifice of your choice
smickles: wtf, startssl just gave me a timeout
kakobrekla: smickles they wont give ssl to bitcoin related services
Namworld: Oh, that was already taken care of.
kakobrekla: cause its 'financial'
kakobrekla: and that cant be free
smickles: kakobrekla: suppose i tell them that it's an accounting service and not mention anything about bitcoin
smickles: 'cause that's true
kakobrekla: yeah, accounting, nothing to do with finance
kakobrekla: feel free to hassle with them.
smickles: well, i'm not finding this 10 euro guy who you have
mircea_popescu: the word is hustle
smickles: so i'm doing research
jurov: not if it nas *coin* in the domain
jurov: *has
kakobrekla: acointing.
kakobrekla: not a coin, not accounting.
kakobrekla: acointing or accointing dot something
jurov: smickles, i shopped here: https://www.namecheap.com/ssl-certificates/comodo.aspx
smickles: kakobrekla: it's smickles.com
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05017 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: there ya go that should do it
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
smickles: ah, thx jurov :)
jurov: startssl prolly says they don't endorse fecal humor
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this endorse bs
mircea_popescu: and btw, to all the people who think they are safe from ddos because "cloudflare" or equal bs :
mircea_popescu: what do you do when they "don't endorse" your site ?
jurov: go home
Namworld: Why didn't you put a cancellation request jurov?
mircea_popescu: sounds like a great plan, strategic manager should get a bonus for that oen.
jurov: Namworld, phungus clearly said "we won't ever turn your vps again."
Namworld: ah
jurov: so he's now responsible for any cancella tions
Namworld: I hope he wasn't as harsh as that short sentence makes it sound.
smickles: "...users using hotmail.com email address may have difficulty in receiving their hosting welcome emails from us. We strongly recommend that you use some other email address at this time. We also would advise you to contact our support using a non-hotmail email address to receive replies properly. It is especially hard to track email delivery failure with Hotmail, as Hotmail servers do not return a failed status, but silently discard emails which d
jurov: look into #bitvps logs, it's there
smickles: lol
Namworld: I'm not in there 24/7
jurov: really should i dig them for you?
jurov: they clearly kicked me out. so they should also cancel my acct themselves.
Namworld: urgh, then service should also have been cancelled
kakobrekla: you mean the BitVPS?
jurov: yes bitvps
Namworld: yes so he doesn't receive invoices anymore
kakobrekla: bitvps should be canceled yea
kakobrekla: its a joke
Namworld: Why?
kakobrekla: "we won't ever turn your vps again."
kakobrekla: this sums it up
Namworld: I should probably handle PR from now on...
kakobrekla: what would you do?
kakobrekla: its not a PR issue
Namworld: It is if that's the way things are announced.
jurov: Namworld, PR-side I recommend that next time a client mentions ddos possibility, you damn well listen to them
jurov: not like "oh coinbr.com seems under dos, too"
jurov: "let's do nothing"
kakobrekla: lol
jurov: facepalm
mircea_popescu: well in fairness vps wasn't going to be able to take it.
Namworld: I wasn't aware of anything
jurov: eh, not gonna to discuss this again, you're never aware of anything
Namworld: Either way, we only have a few dozens clients and few dedis. Not like we could have handled a large DDoS.
Namworld: Doesn't seem like the let go was handled properly at all.
Namworld: I've cancelled the service, you'll no longer receive invoices/notices.
kakobrekla: Namworld what do you do when a client is 1 month late on payment
jurov: okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer?
jurov: i hope not "i'll be surprised" like you did last week just few hours before the ddos
jurov: now you probably aren't aware this happened but damn well it did. in this very channel.
greekbet: hi all
kakobrekla: hi
Namworld: <jurov> okay, so i'll ask only one thing. next time client asks you "in case of ddos, will i be billed the traffic?" what do you answer?
jurov: Namworld: what? you don't know what to do in this case?
dub: http://btlondon2012.co.uk/pano.html
Namworld: What's that about? We don't bill extra traffic, we'd ask the person to upgrade. In your case tho, would have been impossible to support you further. We'd have to drop DDoSed clients
dub: get your stalk on
Namworld: No, you make it sounds like someone said you'd be billed for it.
jurov: No, I think the right answer would be to ask the client why they expect the dos and where
jurov: and move the info to tech staff