gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.50090, Best ask: 94.69989, Bid-ask spread: 0.19899, Last trade: 94.50090, 24 hour volume: 27511.68644631, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 94.84000, 24 hour vwap: 93.17817
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749999 = 2.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.00402 = 0.0764 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.50091, Best ask: 95.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49909, Last trade: 94.50091, 24 hour volume: 29869.63042979, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 95.00000, 24 hour vwap: 93.31910
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.004015 = 0.2088 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.004 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.749999 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.31000, Best ask: 96.44638, Bid-ask spread: 0.13638, Last trade: 96.44638, 24 hour volume: 32642.44526573, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 96.75001, 24 hour vwap: 93.54613
pizzaman1337: I guess everyone's wire transfers are clearing?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2899 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.97000, Best ask: 98.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 98.00000, 24 hour volume: 32642.44526573, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 96.75001, 24 hour vwap: 93.54613
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 1000 @ 1.14429181 = 1144.2918 BTC [-]
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.22316625 = 223.1663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 1000 @ 0.23774495 = 237.745 BTC
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 86.04499804 / 97.29593865 / 133.95274683 (7085 shares, 4,050.18 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
KRS1: when to sell? 100 might trigger -10%?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder : here's an idea : make hashing processors out of dragonfly brains.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 40 @ 0.23959342 = 9.5837 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 97.50000, Best ask: 97.79855, Bid-ask spread: 0.29855, Last trade: 97.79855, 24 hour volume: 35881.21447432, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.10000, 24 hour vwap: 93.88708
gribble: Current Blocks: 229120 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 703 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7622306.53365 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.83668
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 7622306.53365 based on data since last change | 8365365.88258 based on data for last three days
gribble: There are currently 8305.4313 bitcoins offered at or under 99.99 USD, worth 822387.920549 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.7274 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0006 = 1.44 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: people could lose money speculative buying on that news
KRS1: so watch for quick rises in btc?
Bugpowder: April 1 is really a terrible day to issue real press releases though
KRS1: idk..Submitted by Anonymous Coward
ChaangNoi: i know who submited it, he thinks its nt a joke
ChaangNoi: but he could have been tricked by the org source
ChaangNoi: id like to make sure however before trading on this news
gribble: There are currently 34850658 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9905365.67608 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0091 seconds
Bugpowder: yeah was listenitng last night, wish there was some correlation between exchange price direction and the sounds, would be much nicer to listen to than clark moody
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.00000, Best ask: 98.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 98.19999, 24 hour volume: 38061.25816406, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.39650, 24 hour vwap: 94.10042
ChaangNoi: wonder if i should order some champagne
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00395455 = 8.7 BTC [-]
ChaangNoi: i have two bots in the truck as well but its very hot now
KRS1: its gone down a bit on god
KRS1: not sure what to think here
bitesak: my pendulum says Wednesday is when we break through 100 strongly :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.35 = 1.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: "One popular theory among Russian bloggers speculates that Nakamoto is Grigory Perelman"
Bugpowder: as if Grigory gives 1 shit about the real world...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.00001, Best ask: 98.00002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 98.30000, 24 hour volume: 38913.06244008, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.41000, 24 hour vwap: 94.18840
gribble: There are currently 34850576 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10026671.1919 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0091 seconds
ChaangNoi: ColdHardMetal Ready for 2 million Best Korians to come for a visit? :)
KRS1: wtf <kakobrekla> yes sell all btc asap
KRS1: what is wrong with some people..idk maybe its me
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 200 @ 0.19960593 = 39.9212 BTC
KRS1: i dont think it can be used as money..how would the transactions keep up at that rate..ex. transactional data from just amex alone would choke the network
KRS1: maybe a financial tool yes
KRS1: facilitate transfer of wealth..idk
pgp: well, I see money laundering a big red flag that detractors can use...
KRS1: yeah..its been used as that since day 1 prolly
pgp: the question is will the US make some illegal simply because there is no way to regulate it?
pgp: not in bitcoin terms, I suppose not... a transfer is a transfer...
pgp: in pecunium veritas?
gribble: There are currently 7047.7282 bitcoins offered at or under 99.999 USD, worth 698874.017257 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.226871 = 226.871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0006 = 7.02 BTC [-]
ChaangNoi: 126 :) im sure we will be there by the end of the month
assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 2.00000000 / 2.00913043 / 2.06000000 (46 shares, 92.42000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.79383584 / 2.08000000 (226 shares, 405.40690096 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 1.78069269 / 2.08000000 (759 shares, 1351.54575265 BTC)
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <smickles> srs
ThickAsThieves: if burnside doesnt move my ltc for 6+ hours again i will be a sad panda, unless of course the delay stops me from selling off too early
pgp: what's the market cap of ltc?
gribble: Error: "bc,24hprc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "avg" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what is the new 24hr price command for gribble?
gribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nanotube> dub: ^ see this page for updated command guide
gribble: Error: "avgpc" is not a valid command.
gribble: (avgprc <currency> <timeframe>) -- Returns volume-weighted average price data from MtGox. <currency> is a three-letter currency code, <timeframe> is the time window for the average, and can be '24h', '7d', or '30d'.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 98.77000, Best ask: 98.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 98.81000, 24 hour volume: 40195.63814671, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 98.79000, 24 hour vwap: 94.41626
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu, how do I know what the top payout is for an IDIFF I purchased?
jurov: 99.1 ... wonder what bitcoinity has in store for 100
mircea_popescu: Unlike other futures X.IDIFF.* will require 2.9x the difficulty at last settlement for each quarter out, so for instance if traded in January 2013 X.IDIFF.MAR will require 0.097735278 BTC per contract as collateral whereas X.IDIFF.DEC will require 2.383665695 BTC per contract as collateral (all numeric examples based on 3370182 as last settlement difficulty value).
jurov: ^ should not be lower than that
jurov: not sale price. 2.9*current difficulty
thestringpuller: so the difficulty based on futures is going to speculated to be betwen 8.9mn and 45mn....
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.2437597 = 24.376 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: much more concerning would be the possibility diff doesn't go over 13.75mn by july tho
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.01000, Best ask: 99.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 99.95156, 24 hour volume: 44641.62362351, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 99.95000, 24 hour vwap: 94.89046
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves minimal coverage is discolosed tho, that's what that contract is there for.
ThickAsThieves: yes, but my bull-in-china-shop approach to things doesn't jive with reading things closely sometimes :/
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 99.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 75.3115 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.01000, Best ask: 99.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 99.01000, 24 hour volume: 44641.62362351, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 99.95000, 24 hour vwap: 94.89046
ThickAsThieves: if the top liability was disclosed it would allow for better offers as well
mircea_popescu: thanks to bug's support tesla is about to buy apple :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, there's no practical way to disclose top exposure tho.
ThickAsThieves: not to mess with your craiglist approach to feature development or anything :P
thestringpuller: buy them toward the end based on the fact the time factor plays a huge role in the pricing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not just a simple matter of a field.
mircea_popescu: think about it : today someone makes a 4 quarters out option
ThickAsThieves: they could simply be written as offer price, max payout price, with no relation to past settlements, no?
mircea_popescu: because executions must be allocated uniformly to old and new contracts.
ThickAsThieves: if i resell these at .15 and theyre original top is .139, what happens for the new buyer?
ThickAsThieves: si it's possible for me to sell at a price that has 0% of profit
mircea_popescu: if you create one X.IDIFF.MAR future, you will have to pay 2.9**4*.07 as collateral.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.44699999 = 3.129 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how much should someone have to pay per option at that date ?
gribble: (bids [--under] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>.
gribble: There are currently 34918304 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10082902.8829 USD in total. | Data vintage: 74.5978 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.447 = 1.341 BTC [+]
ChaangNoi: some sill bear is making a new wall lol
mircea_popescu: now if you had bought a contract back in july thinking it's 4.95 covered
mircea_popescu: and someone makes a contract now which is 0.46 covered
mircea_popescu: you will only get ~half of what you originally thought you will get.
ThickAsThieves: if the futures were simply offered under simpler terms at will, wouldnt that still work
ThickAsThieves: i make one anytime i want for any amount, covered to any man payout i want
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.004 = 11.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no example. if you make contracvts any way you want, what's the buyer supposed to buy ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00352101 = 7.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.003521 = 5.2815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 43 @ 0.00351201 = 0.151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0032101 = 3.2101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 18408 @ 0.00310002 = 57.0652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6386 @ 0.00310002 = 19.7967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00310001 = 9.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7125 @ 0.0031 = 22.0875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 643 @ 0.20288146 = 130.4528 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so each and every single contract has to be specified independently.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it : you know you won't get less than x.
jurov: okay at least could be authoritatively shown
jurov: beacuse last settlement was not 0.07 iirc
ThickAsThieves: okay but right now no one can offer a reasonable IDIFF for June right?
ThickAsThieves: because odds are that the diff will be much higher than your minimum payout
jurov: yes mpex is do ur own research
gribble: There are currently 1143.0168 bitcoins offered at or under 100.1 USD, worth 114294.520819 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0008 seconds
mircea_popescu: jurov like, if you don't know what btc/usd is you can't trade options
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4216 = 1.2648 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4215005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.42150003 = 2.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.42150001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.421 = 4.631 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you don't know what diff was you can't trade futures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.42 = 2.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.41 = 4.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40678129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.40005 = 1.6002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.40000001 = 12.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.397 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.396 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 7 @ 0.20551087 = 1.4386 BTC [+]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 7647329.85957 based on data since last change | 8527812.32019 based on data for last three days
gribble: There are currently 35118439 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9804244.95426 USD in total. | Data vintage: 57.1263 seconds
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously it's a trade-off. 2.9 might not be optimal in some fringe cases
jurov: mircea_popescu but you know now how easy is to get false information
mircea_popescu: but otherwise it imposes a capital burden on underwriters. so it is guesswork
jurov: you just shoot the 0.07 number which isn't true
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hopefully the network stabilises and we'll be fine.
jurov: if you don't know it, who can?
jurov: well, certain MPBPT investors almost felt liek lynching me cuz such "examples"
jurov: better clearly mark them
ThickAsThieves: do you agree that the odds of IDIFFJUN closing at any sort of profit are nigh impossible?
jurov: okay, not to get flamey, for public record:
jurov: March settlement was 0.04847647
jurov: so minimal JUN collateral is
jurov: ;;calc 0.04847647*2.9
pgp: here come the post 100 froth...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.00000, Best ask: 100.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 99.98000, 24 hour volume: 53736.31362686, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 100.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.75237
Bugpowdurr: my iphone ticker cant display the price??
jurov: maximal collateral would be
jurov: ;;calc 2.9*2.9*2.9*0.01137814
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have no idea. prolly, if any serious hash is delivered.
jurov: if i'm taking September 19 into account
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves listen : i could make minimum collateral 1000x.
mircea_popescu: then the system "would work" in all fringe cases, except nobody will depost 1k btc for a 1btc contract
mircea_popescu: of course i am. this is exactly what we have here, an extreme
mircea_popescu: ie, a case where diff increases > 3x during 3 months. this isn't normal.
mircea_popescu: i'm not increasing collateral maargin for the simple reason that even as it is underwriting is dismal.
jurov: for me it would be sufficient if mp publishes basic data, like past settlement values or option autoexercise vwap prices
jurov: or if that's beyond mpex mission, then don't show dividends either
ThickAsThieves: just feels stubborn to me, you could be offering a feature that people would use much more
mircea_popescu: jurov dividends are shown as the sum of div transactions in mpex.
gribble: There are currently 8865.2797 bitcoins offered at or under 110.0 USD, worth 940190.755187 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.5899 seconds
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you are not reading it seems. CURRENTLY, at 2.9x, NOBODY is underwrtiting it.
mircea_popescu: if it were 3.1x, even less than nobody would be underwriting it.
ThickAsThieves: you are interpreting my solution as only a change in min collateral
mircea_popescu: ok, well... the other thing i got was "make each idifff a different, user specified contract"
mircea_popescu: this doesn't work, because market traded contracts have to be standardised.
jurov: cuz i'm using abhorrent practice of magic numbers
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.98001, Best ask: 101.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01999, Last trade: 101.00000, 24 hour volume: 54713.02069310, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 101.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.83748
jurov: and also marketmaking them
ThickAsThieves: they use a price that is reasonable, for a potential payout that is reasonable
mircea_popescu: can you underwrite some with jurov and sell them to him ?
mircea_popescu: this is perfectly fine, but they are different things.
ThickAsThieves: for example, you could say DIFF futures can be written at any price, but you must offer 125% collateral for potential profit of buyer
jurov: that's a point. but converting it into a process would be easy if ukto makes apis public.
jurov: the conditions are clear.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2899 = 0.5798 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he makes the chosen price 1 satoshi, deposts 1.25 satoshi per
mircea_popescu: so what, if he cancels the bid the futures dissapear from his account ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.05100, Best ask: 101.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44900, Last trade: 101.05100, 24 hour volume: 56319.87614438, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 101.00000, 24 hour vwap: 95.98390
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's how futurtes work. settlement to settlement.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.15299 = 0.765 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 8 @ 0.153 = 1.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 6 @ 0.155 = 0.93 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it's okay, i see your take on it, and wanting to use hard numbers, but all i'm trying to do is get you to open the idea of finding a formula that is more likely to be useful in the current environment
jurov: i don't see a problem with formula
jurov: just that it needs research what the previous settlements were
jurov: then investor comes to result that it's covered somewhere between 0.14 and 0.27
jurov: then asks mp, how much it is exactly, mp refuses
jurov: so investor goes away
jurov: unnecessarily complicated process, i say
ThickAsThieves: man, those sure are some cheap IDIFFJUN futures listed, someone should snatch them up
jurov: just cuz "mpex isnt data platform"
jurov: or perhaps mp expects someone other do do all the computations and dirty work, but that isn't working
jurov: few fools are willing to invest into anything mpex-related
jborkl: micrea_popescu, can I get a deposit cleared
mircea_popescu: for one settlement was announced in here when it happened.
ChaangNoi: ltc goes from 5 cents to $1.40 in no time
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00401 = 0.0201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 53 @ 0.004005 = 0.2123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 815 @ 0.004 = 3.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 99 @ 0.004 = 0.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74996 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: their max payout is last settlement * 2.9, which is < the sell price
jurov: i know i'm unfair and disgruntled sometimes... but you seem really to have a problem even to hire PR and evangelist
jurov: as as a someone who tried to "evangelize" MPEx i think i know why
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6300 @ 0.00367331 = 23.1419 BTC [+]
jurov: not, just some meetings
jurov: well, i explain what i'm doing, what is mpex
jurov: dig some links deep from trilema, praying they don't hit the paywall
jurov: am asked to explain who is this mircea popescu again, i handwave it
jurov: then they find out about MPOE-PR :)
jurov: or even if they can get past her
jurov: "what? so all there is is option speculation, betting site and casino?"
jurov: i know it's unfair judgement, but i just aren;t apt enough to explain past that point
jurov: not bankers. managers of small/medium IT companies
jurov: but it don't think bankers would be much different even if i could reach them
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.90000, Best ask: 104.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 103.90000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673
mircea_popescu: i read this and what i see is "i couldn't make people living in queens understand what the schmier is with stock options. i'm sure high powered executives would bne the same"
jurov: okay, maybe thare is a big difference, i don't know
jurov: just my small queens reality
jurov: makes me bitter :(
mircea_popescu: understand : the general public is very dangeours (chiefly to itself) in any sort of functionuing marketplace.
jurov: it occurs to me you want to skip mass market completely and soar directly into high finance
jurov: do you have previous experience with such?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.47500, Best ask: 103.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02500, Last trade: 103.50000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673
jurov: i mean, buffett can say "2.9x last settlement value" and everyone can easily look up authoritative source
mircea_popescu: i admit the 2.9x is just some number i took out of my ass.
jurov: they have something to bootfstrap from. but for bitcoin best i can find is some google spreadsheet of past difficulty values
jurov: is he providing csv or like?
mircea_popescu: perhaps best to ask him, buit in general speaking the problems of access to market data
mircea_popescu: while significant for a trading place, are NOT to be solved by the trading place itself.
mircea_popescu: it's very important to have sepparate data feeds and trading,
mircea_popescu: because it insulates from market manipulation accusations.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : my insistence in implementing correct designs or nothing at all, and decentralisations such as these may make me look like an idiot today
mircea_popescu: but i'm pretty darned certain will save everyone a shitton of sweat, blood and tears in five years.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you still haven't solidified your idea into something we can discuss tho.
mircea_popescu: ya, see, this doesn't work as an approach. i mean it's prolly fine in middle school or w/e, but i'm not 14.
mircea_popescu: well yes, it does. if i had a better way i'd be doing it.
ThickAsThieves: just a customer urging for evolution of your features and offers
ThickAsThieves: so you are saying there is absolutely no room for improvement?
mircea_popescu: that's fine, but it seems to me like a case of "you should improve your exchange so everybody makes money on all trades"
jurov: ThickAsThieves what concrete improvement you desire?
jurov: like I said concretely "publish last settlement values".
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: add a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next?
mircea_popescu: yes, but is it a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next.
mircea_popescu: i mean i could use all 4 (barring the fact that currenlty we only have 1 anyway)
mircea_popescu: and that may be a good idea, but won't really be worth discussing for about another year
jurov: ThickAsThieves, that ould make sense only if there was some discernible trend
mircea_popescu: jurov i think his presumption is that diff can not go down
mircea_popescu: this is liable to be correct for as long as mining is still immature obviously.
gribble: There are currently 11527.345 bitcoins offered at or under 115.0 USD, worth 1246988.35026 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
jurov: ThickAsThieves, go make one yourself. you'll be rich
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.10001, Best ask: 101.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89999, Last trade: 100.10001, 24 hour volume: 65241.37945590, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.05058
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.74996 = 5.9997 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 26 @ 0.74998 = 19.4995 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.01000, Best ask: 100.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.98900, Last trade: 100.99900, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
ThickAsThieves: if yo arent willing to use outside data, arent willing to settle more often, arent willing to make factor more dynamic, then that rules out my current ideas but one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060388 = 5.3141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00060609 = 13.1522 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00060809 = 0.6081 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: write it for sale at any price, but you must be able to cover a minimum % on top iof it
jurov: ThickAsThieves: other exchanges would probably welcome your completely customized futures
jurov: but even i don't offer such customizability "cover up to whatever you want"
jurov: that would be a mess
smickles: i wake up to nyancat and the joker on bitcoinity
jurov: i'd then have to list multiple securities, with different collaterals
mircea_popescu: anyway, all that aside, the idiff futures are largely an experimental asset, so
jurov: two with fixed one are enough
splnkr: so, we finally broke 100….anyone win any bets on that one?
ThickAsThieves: in the end i'm just asking for a way to spend more on mpex :)
jurov: make it more like satoshidice, you say
ThickAsThieves: but there is certainly a betting platform idea in there somewhere
smickles: oh... it's nyanslug for the lag
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.50000, Best ask: 100.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 100.90000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
ThickAsThieves: 11:16] <AssetBot> [ZigGap] 1500000.0 @ 0.00000152 = 2.28000000 [-]
ThickAsThieves: [11:16] <AssetBot> [ZigGap] 3000000.0 @ 0.00000151 = 4.53000000 [-]
ThickAsThieves: [11:16] <AssetBot> [ZigGap] 190000.0 @ 0.00000150 = 0.28500000 [-]
ChaangNoi: i never invested or even heard of that
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P080T] 5 @ 0.0753858 = 0.3769 BTC
jborkl: ziggap is down for maint. be back soon
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr your habit of logging in and then dropping makes you lose out.
_aeon: First we need to get everything stabilized with licensing and we are considering creating entities around the world with the correct licensing, which is a lot of work. Sometimes it’s less work, e.g. in Europe where you get a license for one country it’s valid within the EU, but in the US you need to get a license from every single state. It means you need an office in every single state, you need to discuss with every single state
_aeon: conditions, there are a lot of differences between them… It’s a nightmare. That’s one reason why we want Coinlab to do it for us: it’s too much work.”
mircea_popescu: Apr 01 15:15:32 <mircea_popescu> ;;later tell bugpowder : here's an idea : make hashing processors out of dragonfly brains.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.75000, Best ask: 100.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 100.50000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
mircea_popescu: " you need to discuss with every single state" ya dood, i'm sure every single state is discussing shit with every single bootstrapped project.
mircea_popescu: also for the record : mtgox failed to get registered in europe, got kicked out of france,
mircea_popescu: are currently using some eastern european banks which allows them to skirt it.
Scrat: Re: ziggap, aethero said 3 days ago in -otc that his HDD crashed
Scrat: hasn't been online since
mircea_popescu: course their usual lieing sort of bs suggests they do have eu licenses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.004 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0006 = 12 BTC [-]
Scrat: ;;seen #bitcoin-otc aethero
gribble: aethero was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 2 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <aethero> bubble popped
mircea_popescu: "Obama Proclaims April the Month to Teach Young People ‘How to Budget Responsibly’"
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.95348, Best ask: 99.98345, Bid-ask spread: 0.02997, Last trade: 99.95348, 24 hour volume: 67981.72491317, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.21329
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00479 = 0.0431 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: obviously it was going to get kicked back as soon as it went over 100
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr the puts covered earlier so dunno about that.
Bugpowdurr: everytime I have a sad thought like that I imagine being in position 8500 in the gox verification queue, then I get a little happier
gribble: There are currently 25109.349 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 2313401.22003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 76.7031 seconds
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 7667060.77584 based on data since last change | 8668728.39687 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00380051 = 3.4889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00374009 = 6.7322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0037005 = 7.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: WTS G.SDICE,GSDPT,G.MPOE,G.BBET, BTCQuick and TU.Silver shares!
ZedsterX: people can't sell it fast enough
ZedsterX: i was sure it would bounce back a bit at the the of the month but no luck
jborkl: Dice still profited over 100,000k USD, on a bad month
jborkl: well,people can not see past tomorrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-]
ZedsterX: i thought most ppl in the this game were better than that and i don't know squat
ZedsterX: I will ride it for another month see what happens
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74998 BTC [+]
Troic: any body have any clues/ideas on the further development that EV was hinting about ?
ZedsterX: he has been talking new interface for 2 months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.481 = 1.443 BTC [-]
jborkl: I would imagine it has to do with return bet amounts and compression/reducing bloat
Troic: '(and this will be more relevant due to other developments we have in mind...).' is suppose 'in mind' is not in the works
smickles: Bugpowdurr: there is more too the calc for the number of puts than just strike/spot !
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 51 @ 0.48 = 24.48 BTC [-]
jborkl: and you have to remember, for every seller of SDICE- there is a buyer on the other side
ThickAsThieves: almost had an interview set up for ya, but they said your diff futures made no sense and lol'd me away
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, i care deeply about the knitting circle.
smickles: ThickAsThieves> $avgpc << $avg
microhxo: Is coinbase down for purchasing coins right now?
smickles: oh, i see now you figured itout
microhxo: Anyone having trouble with coinbase?
deadweasel: move your coins ASAP and find another avenue for purchase/sell
DeaDTerra: Starcraft two tournament with Bitcoin prize pool starts in 42 Minutes.
deadweasel: I'll defer to others on that microhxo.. I haven't bought in a while. Try getting verified on btcquick.com
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.74 = 4.44 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: smickles, i just searched for the last time you made the command :)
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: being a bio man, I would think you would program elaborate trading bots...
ThickAsThieves: mp, i was only joking on that link because while you dont care about the knitting circle, you are indeed looking for press nonetheless right?
microhxo: coinbase worked fine for me, was quick too but my friend wants to buy some and it says they dont have any more coins atm.
microhxo: It seems like ALL sites have no coins right now.
smickles: DeaDTerra: liquid is involved in it?
microhxo: what is the goto site to buy bitcoins?
Bugpowdurr: thestringpuller: I have a MATLAB based mpex bot
mircea_popescu: microhxo USA is a little iffy, might want to give otc a try tho
Bugpowdurr: The 10% of capital in calls and the rest in cold storage plan is working well.
gribble: There are currently 51593462 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10104543.0415 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0097 seconds
mircea_popescu: microhxo yes, otc stands for over the counter. there's this system of trading btc with other parties, based on the wot
mircea_popescu: it has a number of advantages but takes a little work.
microhxo: Also I can only pay with paypal on that. No way am i giving bank acct info out. And i know no one wants to accept paypal because its reversible.
deadweasel: microhxo: manage your risk. You will always have risk with BTC (or USD)
Bugpowdurr: localbitcoins is great if you are in a major metro area
deadweasel: or keep hammering coinbase, they have a rolling 24 hr limit which could reset at any moment. You can check them hourly and try to buy... but that is just lame.
thestringpuller: There are currently 51593462 bitcoins demanded <- More bitcoins are demanded than will ever exist, thus circulation?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.584885 = 9.943 BTC [+]
jurov: that are just buyers expectations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3962 = 0.7924 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.396 = 1.188 BTC [-]
saulimus: some won't buy if it doesn't come down to $2...
Bugpowdurr: the number of bitcoins demanded is irrelevant
Lyspooner: i demand that many bitcoins for .00001 USD
Bugpowdurr: just focus on the total $ demanded. That represents actual funded bids on gox.
benkay: microhxo look into dwolla
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000645 BTC [+]
benkay: microhxo it can be slow to get money in but people love it
microhxo: How long from start to finish to buy a bitcoin?
microhxo: as long as he can get in today
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 81 @ 0.74 = 59.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.74998 = 5.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.74999 = 7.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749999 = 2.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 77 @ 0.75 = 57.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.75 = 7.5 BTC [+]
microhxo: He just got 1 bitcoin on coinbase lol
benkay: microhxo don't fuck with coinbase
kakobrekla: 15:13.32 ( KRS1 ) wtf <kakobrekla> yes sell all btc asap < trolling the ltc king
microhxo: well, im already .5 btc into coin base so once I get that I can transfer to another service.
benkay: took 3 hours to get my friends coins out of there
microhxo: just seemed the most convenient
benkay: the triangle is trust, speed, price
TomServo: mircea_popescu: what were you saying localbitcoins should do?
Bugpowdurr: mtgox has all 3 if you are already verified
mircea_popescu: benkay not really. if you're on otc it's pretty much max trust insta speed best price.
mircea_popescu: TomServo they should hire a dozen strippers in the main towns at 100 an hour or whatever
microhxo: thestringpuller: Not right now. Im only testing bitcoins. Dont want to put a lot in yet.
thestringpuller: microhxo: I just don't want anyone who needs coin to have to miss out on trades because services are down
benkay: mircea_popescu: i never see advertisements for less than 7% above mkt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [+]
Bugpowdurr: I sell for 3% over market on localbitcoins
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
microhxo: thestringpuller: yea i hear you.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 29 @ 0.76 = 22.04 BTC [+]
Bugpowdurr: 3% over market yesterday, is 10% under market today
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.76 = 5.32 BTC [+]
TomServo: Bugpowdurr: what's the interest level like?
thestringpuller: Bitcoin might start supporting a legit economy soon at these prices...
Bugpowdurr: I think I get most of the business in my area
Bugpowdurr: I suspect he is dealing coins at school
TomServo: Bugpowdurr: do your ads reference your OTC info?
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: I suspect he is dealing coins at school << so he is dealing them for drugs?
Bugpowdurr: I don't think so, I think he is just trying to make a profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.0006 = 2.61 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: that sounds like a good business right there, btc for children
smickles: 'merican companies can't collect information on kids
smickles: so they just don't do business with them, often times
thestringpuller: i would think kids would have an easier time with "no regulation" if they came into bitcoin wealth
smickles: thestringpuller: they do have to pay taxes
Bugpowdurr: 18 year olds usually don't have much gross income though
smickles: if your under age kids make money, it's your income
Bugpowdurr: That's not how it worked for me when I was 17
smickles: Bugpowdurr: i learned personal income tax in 2009, so it may have been different
Bugpowdurr: iirc if you are claimed as a dependent, you cannot take your personal exemption, but your income is still taxed as your own income. But there may be multiple ways to skin that cat.
jborkl: 17 you are a adult in the US, pretty sure
jborkl: well, taxes not 100% sure- you can be tried as a adult at 17
Bugpowdurr: if you did something very bad they can roll you up to adult for criminal prosecution
Bugpowdurr: I don't think we are gonna see $110 today.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0038 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0038 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00371 = 11.13 BTC [-]
mod6: hmm only 500 nodes connected today?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: [BTCT:COGNITIVE] 1D: 0.157 / 0.23616 / 0.2899 (59 shares, 13.9 BTC), 7D: 0.108 / 0.14794 / 0.2899 (414 shares, 61.2 BTC), 30D: 0.1012 / 0.17401 / 0.3 (930 shares, 161.8 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 83 @ 0.000611 = 0.0507 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.21741, Best ask: 102.54042, Bid-ask spread: 0.32301, Last trade: 102.21740, 24 hour volume: 79604.66694827, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.01342
mircea_popescu: at the rate nodes have been decreasing (60k two years ago, 30k a year ago, 10k recently, <1k by now)
mircea_popescu: it seems this is rapidly becoming bitcoin's chief point of failure.
mircea_popescu: yes but as we get into the hundreds we're markedly less decentralised than visa.
jborkl: .81 is very fast compared
jborkl: from what I understand it will use all cores
jborkl: well, .81 it goes much faster
jborkl: I keep multiple copies, so I don't know anymore
jborkl: but last time it took 2 dayd
kakobrekla: i know people have been using electrun and such
jborkl: I have about 200 connections on those 4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00060656 = 9.9379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2616 @ 0.00060809 = 1.5908 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you shouldnt have downloaded my cupcakes
Bugpowdurr: I just don't believe that there are only 500 nodes
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [+]
jborkl: well, people that did not upgrade to .81 or change the locks - I am guessing will no longer show up on nodes
smickles: that's just blockchain. they might now limit to 500
kakobrekla: this stupid people and money parting is taking too long!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00398999 = 3.3915 BTC [+]
jurov: who reports 500 nodes? blockchain.info?
jborkl: 497, but I know a few wekks ago it was 1900
benkay: "Once again, I get scammed."
jurov: cuz i have 90 connections now and none of them is blockchain.info (it sees my txs as arriving from around the world)
jurov: so think it's wildly inaccurate
mircea_popescu: any of you folks running multiple nodes willing to do a node mapping project ?
mod6: yeah, i guess blockchain.info sometimes loses its wallet connections and takes a bit to reconnect to other nodes.
podizzle: how long does it take for bets to show max
mod6: just was curious. thx :)
podizzle: i know btc can be slow ass hell sometimes
jborkl: ok, I am going to go to lunch them I will let you know, shouldnt take too long
therusytrombone: at the time that statement was made, there were two batches for pre-order
podizzle: 16yhNwTB4wxSjbJu8Ev3TantqYyn6AEUcJ
therusytrombone: so you would have to guess or assume that the statement meant only batch one?
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's been widely discussed here / in the comments there too
therusytrombone: so by how it was written, and the date it was created, the outcome should be No
mircea_popescu: any written text has the problem of reading. this is why there exist courts irl.
podizzle: i think bitbet has lots of potential but 30btc to buy shares damn
mircea_popescu: a reading including batch two is nonsensical as batch two wasn't even slated for delivery till apr 5
podizzle: this bfl talk haunts me wherever i go
therusytrombone: it doesnt matter, it was written that they will deliver 1/2 of their pre-orders
mircea_popescu: well, apparently your reading of the text doesn't match the admin's and the majority of bettor's/commenter's etc reading thereof.
therusytrombone: read the statement. read the date. how can you infer any other way?
smickles: therusytrombone: can you link me :)
therusytrombone: pre-orders mean pre-orders, there is no mention of batches
mircea_popescu: well, i read it the following way : the bet can't be about some corp delivering before april 1st items it promised to deliver starting april 5th
therusytrombone: but then you are betting on what the creator meant but not what is written
smickles: podizzle: we do go off topic from time to time
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone if you take a strong nominalist view NOTHING is ever definitively provable
smickles: podizzle: also, if you don't like naked people, be weary of clicking on a link from mircea_popescu
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.51002, Best ask: 102.99990, Bid-ask spread: 0.48988, Last trade: 102.51000, 24 hour volume: 80196.49123987, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.06018
smickles: mircea_popescu: radical skepticism ftw !
mircea_popescu: well ok, perfectly valid phylosophically but how the fuck will you run a site with it,.
jborkl: network hash rate about a month ago was 24th now, 64th - asicminer has only claimed maybe 10 th- the rest has to be (in a logical conclusion) = Avalon
podizzle: i made my withdrawal to bitbet at 12:48pm
therusytrombone: it's ok it's just good to know a site is a scam and not to use it
podizzle: still nothing am i being impatient
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone if you bet on the losing side i imagine it'd have been a lot more beneficial to argue this afore betting.
therusytrombone: people write crazy vague statements and expect people to infer what they meant
smickles: jborkl: no, the rest is AMD, it's how they are still in business
jborkl: LOL, smickles good one
podizzle: mircea_popescu how much is the fee
mircea_popescu: 0.0005 works for most people. mpex includes 0.001 on al txs
mircea_popescu: a few cents is a nice gesture to support the entire network.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.4199 = 2.9393 BTC [+]
therusytrombone: lol how could you ever read that statement and not think it means all of the preorders they have in at the time
podizzle: oh damn but i will be put in at the weight it was when i sent or when i clicked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.0006 = 4.9764 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone im sure avalon said something on the forum about a future batch to be delivered in 2014
therusytrombone: at the time the statement was created, they had two preorder batches in
mircea_popescu: listen. if you pick some facts you can support any pov/claim any other is insane/vague/we
podizzle: mircea_popescu so if the bet isnt made by resolved then it will be a refund?
podizzle: or if the bet isnt made by closed
mircea_popescu: if the bet doesn't make it before bet is closed then it's a donation.
therusytrombone: the fact that the creator of the statement even admitted that part of it got left out
mircea_popescu: something's not a scam because it works otherwise than you think it should.
mod6: won some off the basketball games this weekend!
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]
podizzle: what about a bet where i sent money during open betting but is not placed before betting is closed. donation or refund
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone one of the batches you count was not supposed to start delivery until after the bet closes.
jborkl: i think smickles is right and blockchain info is reporting 500 max
mircea_popescu: this is your refutation. now, whether you take it in or ingore it is up to you, but it stands.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5051 @ 0.00060809 = 3.0715 BTC [+]
jborkl: still looking , but I am seeing a bunch not on the blockchain list
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00060871 = 2.6582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00061276 = 1.777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2932 @ 0.00061415 = 1.8007 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and this seems the perfect time to announce the shocker of march results of bitbet. here goes :
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone if a statement doesn't please you, why bet ?!
therusytrombone: 3) have your judge/moderator friend tell you how he'll rule
jborkl: nice profits, very good for the second month?
jborkl: oh ok, well still very nice
mircea_popescu: anyway, one measure we're taking is having a special mod tag on the comments so that mod can clarify how they'll judge statements if need be.
mircea_popescu: and re the late bets : it is in general not nice to include txs with no fees. it is callous, miners work at this, buitcoin needs the fees to survive.
mircea_popescu: in the case of bitbet it is outright dangerous, so not worth it.
mircea_popescu: a small fee to the tune of a few cents ensures next-block inclusion for pretty much all txs
mod6: mircea_popescu: nice results on s.bbet for march!
mircea_popescu: now, i understand this is not necessarily expected bejhaviour / can gotcha. i'm sorry for it but there's no practical way out.
podizzle: my bet went through haha yeaaaaaaaaaah!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.44969999 = 1.3491 BTC [+]
podizzle: i dont understand how would i make a donation if any transfer is counted as a bet should i make it 1.005 and its assumed the .005 is a tip?
mircea_popescu: podizzle if you use the stock client there's a menu to fix tx fee.
DeaDTerra: Starcraft 2 bitcoin tourmanent, Join us over at sc2btc.com/play! Free to play sit and go tournament :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1021 @ 0.00380001 = 3.8798 BTC [-]
mpexbot: smickles: 663 unconfirmed transactions. Oldest dated: 2013-03-30 16:07:38
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: smickles: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, Services, SupyMPEx, and User
smickles: and I do need to put in a couple docstrings
mpexbot: smickles: avg, depth, email, moo, mpexlag, post, proxies, unconfirmed, and vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: No new messages received.
mircea_popescu: and also add the leading $ and say somethinc like "Available commands : "
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 100.30864847 high: 132.25174812 low: 86.04499804 volume: 9075 btc: 4482.82710187 30 day: no data
smickles: ah, mircea_popescu do you remember that assbot pic?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6690 @ 0.0006 = 4.014 BTC [-]
mod6: it's been landing on .0006 a few times in the last number of days
mircea_popescu: as btc went from 20 to 100 s.dice lost like what, 50-60% ?
podizzle: satoshi dice lost why would it lose
podizzle: no i mean the underlying reasons why
mircea_popescu: well there's this theory that people wil lbet less btc
mircea_popescu: more generally, in fiat terms corp went from 15 to 50mn ?
mod6: yeah! and I like how after the march MPOE beatdown the statements are there in full glory - ugly or not.
mod6: those were some HUGE numbers, but the reality of those statements to me adds some trust there. MPEx sailed through some massive attacks this past month too.
smickles: mod6: mpex is a scam and mircea_popescu is a greasy fraud
_aeon: judges in romania are like $500
guruvan: damn smickles I knew it. Now where am I gonna find a chum to sell my account to?
smickles: he's probably having buttsex right now, that pervert
_aeon: i bet his finger is at least in a butt
guruvan: I'm sure of it - I heard that online somewhere
guruvan: hot from all that buttseks
mod6: always moar cowbell
_aeon: bourbon makes fever go away
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's breaking already. i am blessed with this bizzare trait whereby a cold stays with me for 6 hours if its really bad
smickles: lol, _aeon, your 14:12 -!- _aeon [~FUCKSUPA@unaffiliated/aeon/x-3095533] , funny
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone saw herodes' butthurt in forum over being neg'd ?
_aeon: that would be the farthest from the truth
_aeon: but let's run with it
_aeon: i'm wuzzywubing all over
_aeon: i like to read butthurt
mod6: mircea_popescu: i was sort of pissed supa ruined my perfect rating :/
pgp: who runs bitcoinity?
_aeon: dude i'm being stalked
pgp: the joker background is fun 'n all, but sure make looking at the charts hard on the eyes...
mod6: i've never even talked to the guy... so that was kinda disappointing
mod6: yeah, apparently he's trying to make some sort of point
mircea_popescu: so anybody been using the .8.1 exploded ruin of a codebase packaging at all ?
gribble: You rated user Supa on Thu Mar 28 11:20:54 2013, giving him a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: I AM RICK JAMES MOTHERFUCKER.
mod6: i've got .7, but im still like 70 days behind. need to fire it up and let it catch up but it chokes my hd
gribble: Your GPG session has been terminated.
pgp: a lot of crying going on over .8.1 on bitcoin-dev
pgp: looks almost greek ... almoost - lol
pgp: here's one for BBET - bet on date that dev team releases 1.0
pgp: Dec 31, 2018 is probably even money
smickles: time b/t 1.0 and 1.0.0.1? 1 day
mircea_popescu: well i'm the eternal optimist : they stfu with the "Developing" which they can't do because they can't code
mircea_popescu: start working testnet which is more adeuqate to their abilities
mircea_popescu: and then finally when 1.0 is released that's after a spec has been made
mircea_popescu: and so 1.0.0.1 being 1 day later doesn't quite have the cataclysmic implications.
pgp: like anything in life, it'll will require competent resources AND competent management...
pgp: a dash of vision / brilliance never hurts, either...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.57701, Best ask: 102.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.32298, Last trade: 102.57701, 24 hour volume: 77591.58336552, 24 hour low: 91.75000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.56399
pgp: it's great that miners get paid, but did satoshi ever think about getting the developers/stewards paid?
pgp: is that what the bitcoin foundation is for?
_aeon: aethero comes online
mircea_popescu: pgp i don't think the idea ever was for coders to be paid
mircea_popescu: if it is decentralised then the paying would be whoever hires them
jurov: they should move to devcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.2 = 2 BTC [+]
pgp: bitcoin will need adjustments down the road - how can we ensure that the best and brightest are attracted to the endeavor?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i query my crystal 8 ball what i see is each miner conglomerate having its own devteam.
mircea_popescu: the current troop is really sinking their future by not doing spec work now, while they still can
mircea_popescu: it WILL be done, but by miner negotiation, and they will be simply ignored.
pgp: i believe you are right...
pgp: golden rule: he with the gold makes the rules...
mircea_popescu: cause you know, i'm evil and impolite and therefore the fact that i regularly see the future is moot.
pgp: sucks being a sith lord...
pgp: seriously, though - sometimes the conversation on bitcoin-dev seems like it's coming from Deep Space 9...
mircea_popescu: i can't go there. i get summaries (ocasionally) and even tho made by competent people they still piss me off.
benkay: can i subscribe to those summaries?
pgp: in any case, you're right about the mining oligarcy taking up the dev mantle eventually
pgp: seems like the natural outcome...
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 80 @ 0.2 = 16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: s.dice might make one, like the s.dice desktop client.
mircea_popescu: or bitpay if they had any sense (and resources, and etc)
pgp: certainly room out there for "subchains" it seem to me...
benkay: different topic: has anyone out there gotten kakobrekla's socket working?
benkay: and would be willing to give me some assist on thing?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.00010, Best ask: 103.15689, Bid-ask spread: 0.15679, Last trade: 103.00010, 24 hour volume: 77774.07869393, 24 hour low: 92.05000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.58243
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 0.76 = 9.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1622 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16213 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16212 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.162 = 0.648 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.42 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.36 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]
_aeon: today announced that that its customers will now be able to benefit from fax access to their cloud servers. Complementing the existing SSH and VNC access, ‘remote desktop via fax’ provides users without internet connection the ability to view their cloud servers.
_aeon: “we are always listening to customers and they were clear, where is your fax access? For some VNC just isn’t performant enough. This new service is a world first for CloudSigma and the result of six months innovation. Customers can now remotely view their screens from anywhere in the world via fax.
_aeon: totally normal tiberiusiv
_aeon: happens on mondays
dub: wats bitcoin central?
dub: oh run by forum staff, was a scam anyway
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 9 @ 0.00479 = 0.0431 BTC [-]
jborkl: there are 3 bitcoind , i have to remote into the other and then I will also run data on them
TomServo: tiberiusiv: what's the deal? SP500 down... bitcoin up. :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 112 @ 0.0048 = 0.5376 BTC [+]
TomServo: Obviously I did.. just giving you shit.
gribble: There are currently 5833.3713 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 588194.297707 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0040 seconds
mircea_popescu: dub bitcoin-central is run by davout/buncha french gypsies.
dub: could be the mpoe loss is about to be surpassed
jborkl: I will filter the info and pass it all along to you
jborkl: and I am pinging the other nodes to see who they are connected to
dub: ThickAsThieves: nfi, could be the bitcoin central funds being stolen
mircea_popescu: We have detected a security breach. Services are temporarily suspended until we have thoroughly investigated the situation. We will resume services as soon as possible.
gribble: A market order to sell 200 bitcoins right now would net 20440.0587 USD and would take the last price down to 102.1210 USD, resulting in an average price of 102.2003 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 13.7545 seconds
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 99.94 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 45.6836 seconds
gribble: There are currently 5422.1666 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 546061.361605 USD in total. | Data vintage: 56.5098 seconds
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 10000000.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 86.8850 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [+]
dub: ;;market --sell 41854
gribble: A market order to sell 41854 bitcoins right now would net 3873261.6016 USD and would take the last price down to 84.7522 USD, resulting in an average price of 92.5422 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0024 seconds
pgp: $4MM is a lot of money ...
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7681678.7165 USD and would take the last price down to 40.6212 USD, resulting in an average price of 76.8168 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.2644 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 4539004.2120 USD and would take the last price down to 80.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 90.7801 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 73.6644 seconds
pgp: are we watching a robbery in slow motion here or am I missing something?
mircea_popescu: either they are mentally retarded and thibnk this is a fun april 1st thing to do
pgp: but several blocks have been mined since then and not a single confirmation?
_aeon: instawallet fubar or they move it all the cold storage as defense mechanism\
mircea_popescu: in general it's polite to say when you move large chunks like that
mod6: We have detected a security breach. << this seems to be a scary thing though - despite it being April 1st.
pgp: but looks like it's being moved FROM cold storage...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.4365005 BTC [-]
jurov: ^^mpoe-pr dug out, how?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4365005 = 0.873 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yeah man i noticed some strange uncofirmed in my bitcoin, that explains it!
pgp: not my coins, but man... just the thought of it makes my balls tingle with dread...
pgp: hot wallet with a few ice cubes...
mod6: hmm. strange. maybe just someone fucked up?
deadweasel: whooops, accidentally sent all the cold storage to my own wallet... LATER!
mod6: must just be some kinda joke
mod6: nice guys though. i'll be sure to do business over there. not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13441 @ 0.00060554 = 8.1391 BTC [+]
_aeon: who wants to talk about that or admit that it happens to you
_aeon: specifically, the head-rush tingling from music
_aeon: or someone touching your head or whispering
_aeon: i'm looking for data
_aeon: people who will admit that this happens to them
jurov: _aeon: but why here?
_aeon: diareah of the hands
jurov: anyway it does happen to me, mostly when i realize some fubar situation
jurov: and it's mostly on top of the head
bitessak: no wonder my 0.4BTC trsf from instawallet never materialized
_aeon: it's nice to know i am not alone
_aeon: apparently it is something inducable
_aeon: which is what i'm most interested in now
pgp: that's right... akin to that "sinking feeling"
_aeon: the marker on the paper noise does it somehow
pgp: maybe it's and empathetic response?
Namworld: aeon, why yes, I do have that happening. Back of the head.
ll: never happend with music, usualy when learning something for me
_aeon: i'm amzed that i have just learned this
pgp: yeah - something is definately strange with this - has yet to confim at all - how could that be?
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 17 seconds
pgp: it's got .1 BTC actually
_aeon: cramer's boss makes him talk about bitcoin
pgp: cheapskates, if you asked me...
mod6: yeah each of the tx's has .1 fee
dub: I think actually transacting with bitcoin is pretty broken
mpexbot: smickles: 1313 unconfirmed transactions. Oldest dated: 2013-03-30 16:07:38
pgp: wait a sec - doesn't the protocol permit the ability to book transactions in the future?
smickles: and all other kind of fancy things
smickles: also, it could be malformed, or made in such a way that no miners will pick it up, no matter what
smickles: most likely, considering the day
smickles: someone clever could do that with no fear
pgp: fucked up, if you asked me...
dub: surely nobody is that stupid
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000639 = 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
pgp: any easy way to test parseability of transaction
dub: I mean, its bitcoin so stupid is implied, but..
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 80 @ 0.000639 = 0.0511 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 115 @ 0.00158 = 0.1817 BTC [+]
dub: and ignoring anything that makes them look like tards
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.77500, Best ask: 103.77000, Bid-ask spread: 0.99500, Last trade: 102.77500, 24 hour volume: 81434.36555095, 24 hour low: 92.05000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 98.97011
pgp: pissing into the wind...
smickles: would blockchain.info show the fancy parts of the protocol? or bad sigs, hashes, stuff like that?
smickles: I mean, i could generate that tx, but my sig would be bad, but i could still broadcast it
smickles: gmaxwell pointed out that at his node they are orphaned
dub: I think he's talking to goonie?
smickles: dub: misfired hilight, he said
smickles: also, at least one of those txns is relayed by blockchain itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0006 = 5.67 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <dub> and ignoring anything that makes them look like tards << this worked well for them so far.
Bugpowder: AM I reading that right? instawallet got cleaned out of 41,000 BTC?
pgp: Txns won't confirm, but look bad...
smickles: Bugpowder: but the tx hasn't confirmed for some reason
jborkl: I had a transaction get stuck the other day for 12 hours, send from bitcoind ... there was no reason at all
mod6: there is a .1 BTC fee on each of the two tx's: 996b0e98db80b20516313cd32920e7c8093a8a5bf1e1b1887747338a49052ce5 && 4cf56d0c1566778030095925328f4bc7ae988657bd62fe8bc05ac67302d32b4c
pgp: maybe I'm just new arround here, but this seems really unsettling to me...
Bugpowder: Instawallet Cold Storage... Well then.... Either its not actually cold storage or its an inside job
smickles: pgp: it's odd, to say the least
smickles: Bugpowder: or a sick april fools joke with cleverly malformed txns
bitessak: Bitcoin-Central and Paytunia update: Our customer's bitcoins and euros are safe and will not be affected by the security breach. We have taken the websites off-line for proper investigation. The address 1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy is under our exclusive control.
mircea_popescu: is it possible they had the storage set up so you need multiple sigs
mircea_popescu: and the attacker sent the tx with insufficient signaturing ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: that could be!
mod6: Oh. i see. well that helps bitessak
mod6: right, but if they had that set up, that would have been a clever safeguard
dub: except the coin isnt at that address..
pgp: ok - let's assume for a moment that the txn is valid and like jbork say, just might take sometime to pick up... If they have yet to confirm, couldn't you convievebly beg large mining pools to exclude the txn for a little while until the "community" could opine on it?
smickles: if a sufficient % of the miners agreed to not include it, it wouldn't confirm (odds are) for a while
mircea_popescu: that's such a huge breach of bitcoin security i don't even want to consider it.
dub: and yet eligius has over a Th
pgp: I understand, of course - just a thought experiment...
dub: deepbutt and guild have also helped luke with his shit or indicated willingness to do so in the past
mircea_popescu: that is currently the main avenue of govt attacking bitcoin
dub: although deepbutt is no longer a threat
mircea_popescu: and pretty much the only reason having miners chinese rather than american is good news.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1327 @ 0.00380105 = 5.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00398997 = 5.985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 179 @ 0.00398997 = 0.7142 BTC [+]
smickles: (wow, that might look bad to someone who didn't see some of my conversations with tiberiusiv)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 120 @ 0.000613 = 0.0736 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: it will look bad when these logs are read by the historians of bitcoin's formative years
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.000612 = 0.0306 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 330 @ 0.000611 = 0.2016 BTC [-]
benkay: some people don't care
benkay: chaangnoi for example shows up roaring drunk
benkay: i otoh probably thank people too much
Scrat: ThickAsThieves: not really
ThickAsThieves: they had the guy from Expensify defending and some trader thug attacking
Scrat: too many buzzwords were thrown around
Scrat: motherfucking counterfeit bitcoins
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.002399 = 0.0072 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 197 @ 0.002012 = 0.3964 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+]
smickles: woah, google indexing people's wallets