gribble: There are currently 1707.8129 bitcoins offered at or under 89.9 USD, worth 152553.745975 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
taub: why isn't there a futures contract on btcusd?
mircea_popescu: taub what function would it serve that options don't cover ?
taub: just one instrument and easier to see the price directly
mircea_popescu: taub the thing is i don't like making futures which don;t include delivery. in my eyes unsettled future pretty much = scam.
taub: i can get 40 on cpu mining litecoins
mircea_popescu: but if you know someone who can do the delivery part i'd list it.
taub: you can do cash settlements
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 the problem is that if the buyer of the underlying future does not have the "i'll take delivery" recourse
mircea_popescu: and i don't want to introduce more garbage in bitcoin finance, idiots do enough fo that.
dub: new daily asic scams
mircea_popescu: taub what happens if at settlement time "gold is worth 1200 usd" ?
mircea_popescu: this was the problem with so-called futures like the icbit ones, have you seen that article back then ?
taub: i quit bitcoin for 2 years after i found out THE LAW wouldn't let me run my fiat exchange
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.00642, Best ask: 88.48999, Bid-ask spread: 0.48357, Last trade: 88.49000, 24 hour volume: 70736.16864776, 24 hour low: 78.02000, 24 hour high: 89.24500, 24 hour vwap: 84.54575
gribble: Error: "(" is not a valid command.
taub: where will it break out to?!
deadweasel: so that means you made .049 for each option you purchased?
taub: how many did you buy?
thestrin1puller: mircea_popescu: i followed bugpowders bet as an experiment
thestrin1puller: only 4 but its like 200% bugpowder probably has made at least 100 grand
gribble: There are currently 1684.1113 bitcoins offered at or under 89.94 USD, worth 150483.030546 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
mircea_popescu: you people need to stop making money off the fake mpex volume and shit.
Bugpowder: I'd like to thank the people that made this day possible
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder should stop dicking around and start a 500mn dolla fund to invest in bitcoin crap.
mircea_popescu: but no, he's buying cars and decerebrating mice. fucking waste.
mircea_popescu: so, romania is a fucking backwater. the people here were mentally retarded as recently as 20 years ago.
deadweasel: bug, you should do start that EBAY killer, then you can remove mouse cerebellums
mircea_popescu: and i do mean this. of a 50k strong police force you couldn't find ten cops who knew what pot smelled like.
mircea_popescu: let that sink in for a minute, half the arab doctors schooled in cluj, cops have no idea what pot is.
taub: maybe they have better things to do than hunt kids with drugs
mircea_popescu: pretty much communist stuff, this is how it ends up. people just sheeple around, govt provides, everyone's clueless like a 16 yo priss.
mircea_popescu: so, a year after the revolution someone started a ponzi.
mircea_popescu: now this one guy, a carpenter, he got in early and let it ride.
mircea_popescu: one friday he was scheduled to go pick up his huge loot. i mean packets of loot.
mircea_popescu: he went to his boss at where he worked to get an coupla hours off before lunch to get his loot.
dub: taub: bitch had it coming
mircea_popescu: but understand your boss is whoever is cutting the checks.
Bugpowder: I think it would be easier to fund a lab with bitcoin investments than to get NIH grant money
jurov: SHA-shaped labyrinth
deadweasel: just pitch the dead ones out the window
jurov: <noooob> i dont understand why Satoshi made the weakness of 50% atack.. it would feel better if the threshold was at 80-90%
jurov: ^^ just peeked into -otc
Bugpowder: argh... I could make a real bitcoin fund
mircea_popescu: make sure you don't break any laws, don't lie to anybody, and fucking do something useful with your time
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: best life advice evar.
deadweasel: and I swear I never thought I'd say that
dub: thats terrible advice for business
deadweasel: Bugpowder: if you need any help, i'd be honored (for .5btc per hr.) :D
Bugpowder: bitcoin just didn't seem like it would have the market cap to make it worth it, until the last 2-3 months
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 minutes and 50 seconds ago: <smickles> doobey oooby oooby
thestrin1puller: smickles: will you be able to get the account statement stuff in a bit?
dub: if Gates or Jobs followed those rules they would be in the gutter
mircea_popescu: It attracted millions of depositors from all over the country who invested more than a trillion old lei (between one and five billion USD) before it finally went bankrupt on 14 August 1994
mircea_popescu: this is why we don't motherfucking want polite people, this is what we don't want sfw and this is why we don't want governments.
Diablo-D3: see, this is why I want to provide a nice big investment opportunity to bitcoin
Diablo-D3: just so people like mircea_popescu can stfu about "governments"
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder pretty soon you'll need a totally new log base invented just for you
Bugpowder: see, I'm not doing that good in terms of total BTC multiplied
mircea_popescu: i stick them in a girl's vagina, end up with two girls.
jurov: also, vag very useful for teleportation
KRS1: thats totally true..i've found myself comming and going quite a bit in vag
jurov: errr... i mixed that up. for teleportation, ass is used
taub: i still think you could add cash settlement futures
taub: 2 people enter a contract buy/hold
taub: at the end one pays the difference to the other over the settlement price
taub: which you can pull like you do now from 24h price or some other source
taub: there are lots of futures contracts that are settled in cash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1950 @ 0.00395302 = 7.7084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2989 @ 0.0037 = 11.0593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5379 @ 0.0036 = 19.3644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0033 = 6.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5034 @ 0.003198 = 16.0987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00310002 = 0.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 12548 @ 0.00310001 = 38.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1069 BTC [+]
taub: holding btc more profitable
taub: whats the time the bot creates new batches of options?
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060001 / 0.00061926 / 0.00063879 (140012 shares, 86.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00060001 / 0.00068066 / 0.00077402 (2007346 shares, 1,366.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00060001 / 0.00073633 / 0.00078628 (16817351 shares, 12,383.12 BTC)
damientrog: what's up with S.DICE? Why is it going so low?
mircea_popescu: damientrog possibly cause this will be a low div month
mircea_popescu: anyone here want to make an open-source bitcoin gambling platform ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.711 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-]
taub: i dont like gambling
mircea_popescu: damientrog it had some crazy months so people came to expect it i guess
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.DICE Bids: ['1025 @ 0.00310001', '805000 @ 0.0031', '100 @ 0.00100121', '3000 @ 0.00100002', '7500 @ 0.00100001']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['53154 @ 0.00399999', '2084 @ 0.00429257', '3815 @ 0.00448', '9896 @ 0.00475', '5248 @ 0.00479999']
taub: i wrote something like betfair in perl
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00438 = 0.0657 BTC [+]
taub: betting is amoral :)
gribble: There are currently 1998.9507 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 179742.368423 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0018 seconds
taub: dont be surprised to se a $3 jump
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.40011 = 1.2003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.4001 = 1.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.39804 = 4.7765 BTC [-]
taub: that was before i had a religious experience mircea_popescu
taub: how else could i define morality
Bowjob: i just had some pad ped.. shit was extremely spicy
Bowjob: i like it though. the food was like.. "Want to eat me? You have to fight for it first."
Bowjob: it was delicious. nomnomnom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.594 = 1.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.47000000 / 0.57394246 / 0.70000000 (224 shares, 128.56311141 BTC), 7D: 0.38280000 / 0.42510779 / 0.79900000 (11366 shares, 4831.77511485 BTC), 30D: 0.38280000 / 0.42531821 / 0.79900000 (11489 shares, 4886.48091485 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.594 = 1.188 BTC [+]
Ukto: not reading just skimmning
Ukto: easily faked numbers
Ukto: happy to be mentioned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4389 = 1.3167 BTC [+]
taub: Please take under consideration that their site is much more older then BitBillions and the fact that number of shares, meaning fund's popularity, is an important factor in shares future performance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.44 = 2.64 BTC [+]
taub: 23:32 < Bugpowder> see, I'm not doing that good in terms of total BTC multiplied
taub: 23:32 < Bugpowder> only 2.35x
taub: and what was the risk?
taub: I mean in that one big trade today
taub: I doubt he risked everything
taub: would be stupid, even when you can double your cash
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: is it possible to make options, sell them, later buy them back, and have the BTC freed up to use for something else? I don't see why it needs to be kept
mircea_popescu: there's not a way to get collateral back before end of month atm, no.
pizzaman1337: could you add that sometime in the future? I now have BTC tied up that I was hoping would be free
taub: that would prolly be a feature for a broker
mircea_popescu: it's not very likely to be added, no. option underwriting is a business, not a casual endeavour.
ThickAsThieves: since i have yet to excercise an option i think i need clarification
mircea_popescu: the approach for the retail user is to buy long puts/calls, not to sell shorts.
ThickAsThieves: is that to say, if i excercise, i dont get the btc til month's end?
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I see. It seems like you might be able to get more volume though if people have free btc to use more often
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you put up the collateral for an option, you've paid the fare, now you can buy/sell it as many times as you want.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that you do 5000 trades a month but never wider than 500, so you put up collateral for 500.
mircea_popescu: the idea is NOT that you swarm in, make 5000 options, then leave, then swarm in later.
mircea_popescu: the point is to stabilise the bitcoin macroeconomy, not wreck it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1078 = 1.617 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 43462.343 bitcoins offered at or under 100000000.0 USD, worth 355260396.662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0030 seconds
gribble: There are currently 35745145 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9473710.73262 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.9370 seconds
pizzaman1337: What I did was make put options, sold them, bought the same amount back cheaper, and now I have "locked in" profit. But, the btc are still deposited as surety.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.40000, Best ask: 88.41001, Bid-ask spread: 0.01001, Last trade: 88.41001, 24 hour volume: 71991.10681540, 24 hour low: 78.40000, 24 hour high: 89.49999, 24 hour vwap: 84.79083
taub: btc/usd ratio is 216
taub: i like to look at it where it moves for the short term pressure
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean someone could just put 5 btc at 1mn usd in the book
taub: it only counts the btc in the ask
taub: its great, also works with the socketio beta, which has been fantastically stable
taub: i dont trade with it, but better than clarkmoody for me
gribble: There are currently 2427.7609 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 217989.998814 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
gribble: There are currently 765.14819 bitcoins demanded at or over 87.0 USD, worth 67115.21744 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.7106 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4163.2509 bitcoins demanded at or over 85.0 USD, worth 357750.134594 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.4329 seconds
taub: the ratio would prolly be better if you divide it by the last price
gribble: A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 8824.0000 USD and would take the last price down to 88.2400 USD, resulting in an average price of 88.2400 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 37.8858 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 100 bitcoins right now would take 8865.7279 USD and would take the last price up to 88.7700 USD, resulting in an average price of 88.6573 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.1744 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 500 bitcoins right now would take 44608.6915 USD and would take the last price up to 89.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 89.2174 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 51.8755 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 800 bitcoins right now would take 71528.1483 USD and would take the last price up to 89.8700 USD, resulting in an average price of 89.4102 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 57.6225 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 89503.3366 USD and would take the last price up to 89.9000 USD, resulting in an average price of 89.5033 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 62.6785 seconds
jborkl: mp.can i get a deposit cleared
taub: looking for big possible retracements, but i dont see it really
taub: but i usually dont got top fishing
taub: 87 very likely, just because that was the range, and it kinda failed to break out of it
taub: depth says it would be more likely to go to 86 than to 90
BitHub: smickles i'm guessing that subreddit is blank?
benkay: mircea_popescu would probably suggest they find women who accept their role in the world
smickles: BitHub: naw, full of divorce courts screwing men over
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 13 @ 0.34999 = 4.5499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
BitHub: btw asicminer divs suck now
Diablo-D3: they're exactly what was originally contracted for
BitHub: yeah i know but i miss it
Diablo-D3: remember, friedcat has already ordered the hardware to bring the pool up to 60th
BitHub: oh yeah so if all goes all and implements it divs will be high again
Diablo-D3: hes going to have to start selling boards though
Diablo-D3: did all 600 batch 2 avalon get sold?
BitHub: yeah true, i was going to ask, if they were going to sell a rig or anything?
BitHub: batch 2 and 3 i believe
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.00438 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00438 = 0.1533 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.739 = 1.478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00060554 = 6.1765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1869 @ 0.00060077 = 1.1228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 13 @ 1.8 = 23.4 BTC [-]
Bowjob: looks like it. i wish i grabbed more avalon 2s
dub: was stable at 51th for a few days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.41100001 = 2.877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 39 @ 0.00399998 = 0.156 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 89.02000, Best ask: 89.02845, Bid-ask spread: 0.00845, Last trade: 89.02845, 24 hour volume: 68638.37125383, 24 hour low: 78.60100, 24 hour high: 89.49999, 24 hour vwap: 85.38873
ThickAsThieves: just need to hang in there 3 or 4 more hours, then buyers will be back
dub: Luke-Jr level crazy in those comments
dub: Mission Unaccomplished. They should have left a note on a Bouy saying" Do Not Disturb, Religion of peace at work".
dub: Don't give up peace lovers, you will eventually succeed in cutting those Cables.
dub: you say everything is in koran, what do you need internet for???
Bowjob: I think I got a delivery for my casa coin
Bowjob: ill get mine tomorrow since apparently i didnt answer the doorbell
Bowjob: I think it's a good idea to buy 10 BTC coins
Bugpowder: I wonder if we will se resistance as we approach 100, or acceleration
Bowjob: they appreciate in value
Bugpowder: I have a 25 and a silver 10 and a handful of 1s
Bowjob: the 10 coins go for 20
Bugpowder: gave some 25s away a long time ago.
Bowjob: well.. the 10s look really really good
Bugpowder: are the first printings going to go for more?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.595 = 3.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [-]
Bowjob: the shipping to canada option is .6 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.575 = 1.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.57 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.565 = 4.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.56 = 5.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.545 = 6.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.541 = 3.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.535 = 2.675 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.532 = 1.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.51245 = 6.1494 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01966 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm, one value combo and.. 5 BTC coins
bgupta: burnside can you check the bids on asicminer, they seem out of order
Bowjob: so far no dividends in place
Bowjob: I'm already thinking.. order up (10) 1 BTCs, one value combo for (1) 25 BTC and (2) 1 BTC.. and (5) 10 BTC all 2013s
Bowjob: seems like a good idea
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]
Bowjob: tiber.. thank you for sharing us what you think
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin has appreciated like crazy, and as described, I predict it will continue to do so. There are already eight decimal places in the system. Please make it possible to use milli- and microbitcoins as soon as possible; bitcoin will continue to climb like crazy and may even accelerate. A currency where the smallest unit can buy you a small house is not practical for everyday use.
ThickAsThieves: I would like to be able to use millicoins and microcoins. I know the system can handle it down to 1/100 of a microcoin; please make it possible in the interface as well."
smickles: it wasn't possible at the time
Bowjob: I also heard that casa will make 0.5 and 0.1 coins
gesell: is saatoshidice down for maintenance or something?
Bowjob: 1dice9wcMu5hLF4g81u8nioL5mmSHTApw
Bugpowder: jesus christ if joe reddit keeps complaining about millibitcoins I'm going to puke.
benkay: who's your bitcoin vendor of choice?
Bowjob: theres this guy that accidentally escrowed 42 BTC to the wrong address
Bowjob: the address probably doesnt exist
Bowjob: let those 42 BTC don't go to waste; triple check every address
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.681007 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: permenatly sending to an address that doesn't exist?
Bowjob: "^I confirm this as the escrow. Apparently OP copied the wrong address for me from the firstbits system.."
Bowjob: "Apparently, 17ifs was not parked, but part of a steganographic message that happened to include it. The address might well belong to nobody at all. ugh..."
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder its impossible to send to an invalid address
smickles: the funny thing about falkvinge, is he went all in and the exchange rate crashed
Bowjob: So the address exist but no one has the keys for them?
benkay: do you understand the protocol, bowjob?
Bowjob: like wallet.dat has keys, not bitcoins
Bowjob: but i dont understand "
Bowjob: Apparently, 17ifs was not parked, but part of a steganographic message that happened to include it. The address might well belong to nobody at all. ugh...
Bugpowder: How does adding another wheel improve trust and security?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob you;'re in good company, i have no idea wtf that means either.
mircea_popescu: like, say your best friend has a sister, and you don't know her.
mircea_popescu: so as a measure of safety, you fuck him and he fucks her
mircea_popescu: instead of going directly and catching who knows what.
Bugpowder: Along those lines... I think I'll turn in early tonight. See you at 95.00 hours.
benkay: i'm baffled that nobody seems interested in doing m-of-n transactions
smickles: i'd say it's more like he fucks her and tells you how it was
jborkl: seems safer if its your brothers sister
smickles: benkay: probably because there isn't an easy gui for it
mircea_popescu: benkay im not using them because i don't see the benefit really.
benkay: one doesn't have to herd cats
benkay: a signs tx outputs to a
benkay: b signs tx outputs to b
benkay: c waits, then signs to a or b
benkay: and nothing keeps a from spending the coins in the interim
smickles: i just thought of something which is probably accounted for, but what if i start an m-of-n, but before the coins are
benkay: no commission, the spent inputs are invalid for the escrowed txn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.0035001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: basically, it;s a bulky impractical geeky solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
benkay: this routine sounds familiar
mircea_popescu: exactly the sort of thing bitcoin-geeks implement instead of testing the bitcoin client
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.50000, Best ask: 87.60010, Bid-ask spread: 0.10010, Last trade: 87.64419, 24 hour volume: 67656.57933412, 24 hour low: 79.95000, 24 hour high: 89.49999, 24 hour vwap: 85.76934
mircea_popescu: basically we have mpex ; havelock/bf/btct ; icbit/bitfinex/picostocks/bitbillions/whatever was the other two or three shits
benkay: everyone knows you da keeeng
Bowjob: virtex is trading at 94-93
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
benkay: ugh bitfloor is tres pricey
dub: wheres the top nignogs
ZedsterX: it's a holiday i think they need to relax
gribble: There are currently 333.01557 bitcoins offered at or under 94.0 USD, worth 31303.4592214 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds
Bowjob: cypriots open in one hour
ZedsterX: hehe nah just those that follow that jesus dude
Bowjob: yeap. i'll watch the markets. heh
Chaang-Noi: in cyprus you can only get 300 euro out a day anyway
Bowjob: anyway, im sure they will take what they can
ZedsterX: cyprus is definitely in holiday mode
Bowjob: well,, those 300 adds up.
Bowjob: id be pissed off if it takes me 1 month to pull 9 grand
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 84.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
gribble: There are currently 331.00957 bitcoins offered at or under 94.0 USD, worth 31114.8695592 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.8232 seconds
gribble: There are currently 1358.6874 bitcoins offered at or under 95.0 USD, worth 128551.288164 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.9807 seconds
gribble: There are currently 10174.928 bitcoins offered at or under 99.0 USD, worth 989746.147981 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.7487 seconds
gribble: There are currently 331.00957 bitcoins offered at or under 94.0 USD, worth 31114.8695592 USD in total. | Data vintage: 31.2242 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6433 @ 0.00061111 = 3.9313 BTC [+]
bgupta: where is all the buying coming from?
bgupta: mircea_popescu: What's your interest in DRM?
Bowjob: i feel bad for ATC777. he sold at 72, been a bear since. he owes me like 3.5 BTC
bgupta: Oh so… you are cursing the people the defective by design people are fighting?
bgupta: (DBD is an FSF campaign)...
bgupta: I was actually at LibrePlanet this past weekend.
mircea_popescu: for one, mixing regulation and standard is possibly the one point where american idiocy shines.
mircea_popescu: the standard must mesh on reality, and the standard must specifically allow things that are illegal.
Chaang-Noi: i think you mean A point? one of many?
mircea_popescu: much like a gun will shoot at a child, puppy, policeman or president as well as it will shoot at a bank robber, rapist etc
Chaang-Noi: man, i think it shines all over the place
bgupta: THe biggest issue right now, is that big media is fucking the world.
Chaang-Noi: i did not know you were so pro usa before
mircea_popescu: bgupta nah, it's that "well meaning" and "polite" idiots are tring to enmesh their _mistaken_ assumptions into the very world they inhabit.
bgupta: ALl these insane laws that keep popping up are all big media trojan horses..
mircea_popescu: they're just symptoms of a generalised attempt to make the world more like "it should be"
bgupta: SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, CISPA.. etc.
Chaang-Noi: how much do you think one of the first bfl assics, the 60 ghs one would be worth on the open market assuming they shipped next week?
bgupta: no they have a stupid monopoly that they are trying to hang onto, and keep printing money
bgupta: copyright laws have run amok..
bgupta: particularly in the US…
Chaang-Noi: i dont get it, why wait until we get a new ath then sell off, iv seen this more than once
bgupta: well if you have a large position the only way to unload is to sell into strength..
taub: the hoarders come out
Chaang-Noi: it went from 91 right to 94 the spread is huge
Bowjob: chang where are you watching from
bgupta: mmm. mtgox is still showing 94.34ish
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.3243953 = 324.3953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.30214597 = 302.146 BTC [+]
Bowjob: i watch this shit from coinlab
bgupta: ah just dropped to 93.25
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.27989663 = 279.8966 BTC [+]
bgupta: damn this coinlab changover is lame
taub: yea well not for now
Bowjob: cant wait to see my coin tomorrow.. the one molec sent
toffoo: is there some javascript way to get past it like NYT ? ;D
mircea_popescu: it's a gentle reminder that if you read somebody's stuff daily perhaps you should pay a centy
toffoo: unless he's cookieing me
mircea_popescu: toffoo no. actually there's an artcile mocking the newcomer nyt for their failure
mircea_popescu: (at the time nyt joined trilema had been charging for content for > a year. it's really the first publisher on the web to do it)
taub: well its not quite at the top i'm fishing at
taub: it didnt even take out a swing low
toffoo: you're a pioneer in so many ways
Bowjob: the double wizard pattern
bgupta: What's interesting is I don't think I will ever plan to con vert btc into fiat again.. (Bearing in mind currently btc is a small but ever growing fraction of my networth)… If I need something I will spend my fiat, and keep my btc. If I ever need something beyond the abilities to pay with fiat, I'll pay directly with btc.
toffoo: Chaang-Noi mircea_popescu I wrote an email to friedcat last night asking him to clarify the issue of the "missing" 6 TH ...
taub: i do think we are bound for a big retracement
taub: this has gone up way too fast
mircea_popescu: toffoo lemme know if he answers anything worth the mention then.
bgupta: I don't trade btc/usd. I accept the volitility.
toffoo: I interpret his reply to mean that it's been a space or power issue … I quote:
toffoo: "The rest devices are waiting to be deployed in the new place, which is under active construction to fit in both the first and the next batch of devices. They should be online sooner than the next batch, which is also close."
mircea_popescu: if i had an ops manager who had the equivalent of asics waiting in boxes for ~2 months i wouldn't just fire him
mircea_popescu: i'd fire him in such a way he's never hired again by anyone anywhere.
toffoo: well I previously didn't know that finding a place for these super chips was an issue
bgupta: mircea_popescu: The big news for me is that the have or are working on a third batch, to bring total hashing to 200TH
toffoo: good thing i don't work for you
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense news. "sometime in the indefinite future BIG NUMBERS"
taub: getting a fight or flight feeling from this movement...
taub: shits gonna go down
bgupta: you guys don't really like this mining company?
mircea_popescu: toffoo well, suppose you got a hot chick ready and willing and you kept her waiting february to april because you couldn't find a place.
toffoo: i hate when that happens
mircea_popescu: bgupta i like the part where they're hashing. i dislike the part where i suspect they're lieing.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.3258973 = 325.8973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 61.30265123 / 81.54539345 / 81.56783226 (54813 shares, 7,964.16 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
bgupta: Being someone who did a small scale GPU mining operation 2 years ago. I can say the power/cooling/space issues aren't something traditional ops managers can deal with, nor are traditional datacenters built for this kind of operation.. I had to get many additional power circuits pulled in.
bgupta: I know what they are doing is not trivial, considering that they aren't just mining
bgupta: intersting news that maybe avalon will deploy 3rd batch for their own mining operation
bgupta: leaving only bfl for the masses.. (if they ever ship)
Bowjob: they will deploy 100 units for themselves
Bowjob: since it used to be 600 units for pre order
Bowjob: ask the guy who bet 500 BTC on yes that BFL would ship by march 1st
bgupta: if bfl truly never ships, then asicminer is certainly undervalued..
Bowjob: avalon may need to step their game up
bgupta: I still find that challenging to believe they will never ship..
Bowjob: we may not need a "june betting thread for BFL"
bgupta: I'm wondering if their is a dark horse out there.. that we don't know about now.
toffoo: i have a feeling the asic race is something they'll be reading about in business school textbooks some day
Bowjob: they will be exposed as a scam
toffoo: only in the loosest sense of the word
Bowjob: "Niger $1,064,000,000.00 $97.44"
bgupta: bear in mind all of these companies are rank amateurs muddling their ways through this.. companies like amd/intel/ti they would have shipped.
Bowjob: Wtf. didnt know they had that much
bgupta: I understand.. this would have been mickey mouse work, for the big silicon companies.
mircea_popescu: no, this would have been mickey m,ouse work for my neighbour, who never went to college
mircea_popescu: but he has a 32kw line installed because he has a pump and whatever other shit
mircea_popescu: toffoo i guess pretty much everything we do in bitcoin these early days will become revered a century later.
Bowjob: u will be known as hosting the biggest btc exchange
Bowjob: and also for hosting a porn site
mircea_popescu: i'll go down in history as "the only romanian that ever..."
bgupta: err.. google checkout? they don't think that once google gets wind of it they won't just shut it down
Bowjob: that mpex buttpen pic would show up as one of the most powerful examples of btc
Namworld: they apparently won a chargeback... apparently...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.32597223 = 325.9722 BTC [+]
Namworld: Bitfunder has an asset bot in #bitfunder now. I hope to see it added to assbot soon
bgupta: not as bad though as ziggap...
Namworld: So? As far as I know, it's doing okay.
bgupta: Aren't they basically at risk of being shut down for failing to register as a financial institution?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.725 = 14.5 BTC [-]
bgupta: I saw mention of Bank of America?
mircea_popescu: bgupta everyone with the notable exception of bitcoin-central is.
mircea_popescu: some people are working with it, some people aren't, but licenses nobody has.
Namworld: The law, so far, doesn't care much about Bitcoins...
bgupta: "ZigGap is made up of a team of dedicated Bitcoin service professionals located in the eastern United States."
Namworld: And according to lawyers that were consulted, there's not much yet...
bgupta: I'm concerned about an USA based btc business that exchanges fiat for btc..
Namworld: Ask Ukto or Burnside, both in the USA
Namworld: and running a BTC asset exchange
bgupta: Burnsides incorporated somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you're confusing things tho. burnside isn't touching fiat afaik.
Namworld: yeah, he took another approach. Ukto is in the USA tho I believe.
Namworld: Ah yes, burnside doesn't touch fiat.
bgupta: Assuming he did his homework there.
bgupta: Belize is on of those "Offshore Banking" countries that doesn't really deal well with the US
bgupta: well technically I don't think burnside deals in USD? Why would he have to?
bgupta: tiberiusiv: sigh.. wtf are you talking about.. you just jumped into a convo..
pigeons: mircea_popescu: talking to tiberiusiv, maybe you have him on ignore, i was considering it
pigeons: yeah i think we've all heard that tiberiusiv
pigeons: the only thing more boring than listening to how great mp is, is listening to how bad he is
mircea_popescu: pigeons by the way, i wish to know why isn't ripple whipping the otc btc/usd traders into a huge behemoth of fury that wrests currency exchange from mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: NEVER a better opportunity could have come their way, this is what ripple is for right ? why's it not doing it!
pigeons: cause its beta and there are bugs but it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.495 = 9.9 BTC [-]
bgupta: haven't followed ripple too closely yet..
bgupta: something to pay attention to?
bgupta: I kinda feel like btc is where it's at.. alternacoins don't interest me..
mircea_popescu: it's not exactly an altcoin tho. it's a sort of - as best i can determine - blockchain-y iou management system
bgupta: liquidity in btc is bad enough as it is..
pigeons: mircea_popescu: you cant know from looking at a ripple address that the btc or fiat balances are markers for funds at the liquidity pools behind the exchanges, or if they are worthless ious unless you are in the pools
bgupta: well not your twitter post but the total value.
Bowjob: we're just getting started
Bowjob: its like baby steps for btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.49 = 9.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.47999991 / 0.54371502 / 0.59500000 (243 shares, 132.12274963 BTC), 7D: 0.38280000 / 0.4265498 / 0.79900000 (11528 shares, 4917.26606448 BTC), 30D: 0.38280000 / 0.42674388 / 0.79900000 (11652 shares, 4972.41966448 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.32784 = 327.84 BTC [+]
pigeons: mircea_popescu: oh i see you were asking why ripple's decentralized trading hasnt replaced centralised exchanges like mtgox
mircea_popescu: there's some strength in the otc market, and they're doing things mostly pen on paper.
pigeons: main reason is client software is buggy beta, trust of potential users is low so far, server software is in flux, protocol changes so no server source yet except for partners so no decentralization yet
pigeons: bgupta: ryan fugger started the ripple concept in 2006 i think
pigeons: jed mcaleb who started mtgox started a company to buy ripple from ryan
mircea_popescu: so basically a lot of owners, no strategist, no capital and so forth.
pigeons: it is open source model, client is open, server source not open yet, but breaking changes coming every few days so source when stable
Chaang-Noi: 95.7 we have had so many aths end at .70 or .778
pigeons: mircea_popescu: they have strategy and capital, wether the strategy is any good remains to be seen
Bowjob: -= Galaxy 1 - 20nm ASIC Announcement =-
pigeons: bgupta: yes but when bitcoin people currently talk about ripple they presently usually mean jed's opencoin inc implementation at ripple.com
Bowjob: its on the mining forum lol
mircea_popescu: "We have to keep our Intellectual Property protected and abide by NDA we have signed with chip manufactures so please understand that there are some things that I can't divulge, but I will try my best to answer any questions that you may have.
mircea_popescu: BTW, I am not an electrical engineer so give me a break on that. I am CEO."
Chaang-Noi: toffoo thanks for the e-mail, let me know what he says if he does :/
Bowjob: i was disappointed with PrimeASic too
Bowjob: if that shit turned out to be real, i'd pay hungary a visit
Bowjob: its a scam now obviously
Chaang-Noi: mp ithe 200 th should arive in 3 months, will take the same time as the first two orders
Chaang-Noi: it is pretty big news cuz it will kill everyone even if bfl is real
gribble: There are currently 11188.557 bitcoins offered at or under 99.999 USD, worth 1095083.52263 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
bgupta: So would it be fair to say that Ripple is like the US checking system, but instead of banks and the government backing it, it is all WoT based?
Chaang-Noi: that is 55% of what it was 2 hours ago
Bowjob: bfl_josh has 3 days before he perform a seppuku ritual
pigeons: bgupta: i think the innovation is the "rippling" of these ious across trust paths,
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.37 = 2.96 BTC [+]
toffoo: Chaang-Noi read a little further down, he did reply
pigeons: wow i have everyone in that thread ignored
Chaang-Noi: toffoo then it is what i thought, if ture, they are remodeling the new data center
Chaang-Noi: atleast he has pil;es of btc now to get shit done
Chaang-Noi: anyone going to celebrate 100? or the fact we went over 1billion market cap?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.49 = 2.45 BTC [-]
toffoo: prolly won't have any trouble selling a few for RMB in this market right now either
toffoo: fellow AM shareholders, I have a feeling we'll be reuniting on yachts together some day
toffoo: prolly not as large as i'd like to
Bowjob: heck having just 20 BTC can make you a king
toffoo: but thru dumb luck or being lucky dumb i wound up having more than i ordinarily would have
Bowjob: well how many users have more than 100 BTC
Bowjob: in relation to the rest of the world
Bowjob: we're pretty much the new banking overlords
Chaang-Noi: oh, well 20 btc at $10,000 each is only half a house in the usa...
Chaang-Noi: not exactly a king and we are not yet near $10k usd each
Bowjob: btc can go way more than 10k
Chaang-Noi: hell my uncle has a car worth that... he is not a king
Bowjob: houses in vancouver are around 1m upwards
Bowjob: 1m gets you a small midsized house
Chaang-Noi: yeah.. so at $100k usd a coin you have 2 houses
Bowjob: theres taxes too i guess
toffoo: not until you sell them right?
Chaang-Noi: now at 1,000k a coin okay, he got some walking money
Bowjob: i plan on using btc directly
Bowjob: if I can, id try to set up a mining ops
Bowjob: starting with 1 avalon, then gen 2, ect
Bowjob: id get a diminishing return, but if the value of btc goes up, i'll be living comfortably
toffoo: if we're fast with this "bitcoin crosses $1bn" headline thru the tech news cycle before the weekend we could blow thru $100 no problemo
bgupta: you really need 10000+ btc today to have any say tomorrow, and bear in mind at some point a continuing major rise of the btc value versus fiat (which is not a given) would have to have an impact of the buying power of the fiat currencies.
Chaang-Noi: we will correct sooner or later, we are correcting up now, we were way undervalued for so long, we will shoot too high and go back down, level and shooot up again
gribble: There are currently 3068.6381 bitcoins offered at or under 96.0 USD, worth 293644.877472 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0013 seconds
Chaang-Noi: i dont think we will hit 100 before i have to go out in a few hours
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.37 = 0.74 BTC [+]
bgupta: mircea_popescu: any idea who's bot gribble is?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 3 @ 2.5 = 7.5 BTC [+]
bgupta: so any quesses when we are gonna switch to talking in mBTC?
bgupta: WEll, if one can buy a house with 1BTC, I'd imagine it would be an unwieldy unit of transaction.
bgupta: Don't think it will ever get there..
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.135 = 0.405 BTC [-]
bgupta: I'd guess when we break 1000, and an mBTC is worth $1..
bgupta: Well.. gold isn't used in commerce as payment
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.011 BTC [-]
bgupta: btc trades like a commodity/currency/equity
Chaang-Noi: the unit we use is called a "baht" or "stang"
Bowjob: party when it hits triple digits
bgupta: how much does it weigh?
Chaang-Noi: one baht is a bit less than 1/2 a troy ounce
gribble: There are currently 34720787 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9480373.83494 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.6506 seconds
Chaang-Noi: the currancy you use to buy women here for wives is gold
bgupta: 1 Thai Baht equals 0.03 US Dollar. ok will do
Bowjob: chang can you actually speak thai
bgupta: jewelry as currency for things like dowry and what not
Chaang-Noi: yes i can speak thai and i will find you a link...
Bowjob: why is it that white people are so good at asian languages
Bowjob: not the other way around lol
gribble: There are currently 11965.864 bitcoins offered at or under 99.8 USD, worth 1169623.7288 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.49999 = 2 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: roadsigns and shit are in english, not thai
taub: hey Bugpowder how much did you risk on that option trade?
Chaang-Noi: yeah bugpowder must be floating in cash
taub: did you go all in or just risk a % of your acc
KRS1: bgupta: Bots should have a dogtag function..they're so friendly..people always messin with em..they could get lost..
KRS1: gribble: do you know who your owner is?
taub: someone wanna buy capture mtgox data?
taub: i guess you guys have it all anyway
KRS1: bugpowder: didnt you say price was going to peak today or was that someone else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.49999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'gribble', with hostmask 'gribble!~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble', is not identified.
bgupta: SO interesting observation.. at this point over 13% of the outstanding asicminer shares are being traded through PTs
bgupta: well it was like 3% a few days ago
bgupta: well more than a few..
bgupta: Bugpowder: which ones?
bgupta: what are they options for?
bgupta: options to buy what I mean
KRS1: yeah it would be cool if gribble could tell ya
Bugpowder: this is answering taub's quiestion
KRS1: its been almost 10 years since i programmed an eggdrop bot
Chaang-Noi: 1.5 million usd to clear 100 hmmm not before bed :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-]
bgupta: I'm missing something? You are betting that btc will hit 590, in the next 24 hours? (Don't trade the currency options, so not sure the pricing.)
mircea_popescu: bgupta old scheme needed the decimals because when mpoe was born btc was trading at 5 threatening 2
mircea_popescu: we're gonna move on a new naming convention after tomorrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.49999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: kakobrekla why not? i was thinking about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3803 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: id be dirving a helicopter now Chaang-Noi
bgupta: you started right after the '11 crash?
Chaang-Noi: but if i was going to get one anyway:)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.49999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: man.. this is the second time my ipod touch went tumble drying
Bugpowder: KRS1: It could top today or tomorrow, but I think 100 will be a magnet
Bugpowder: suck the price upwards to it, as people want to get in before 100
Bugpowder: and there is no wall big wall there
Chaang-Noi: kako i have a feeling you are still doing well in btc land:)
gribble: There are currently 15089.844 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1482299.95625 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
Chaang-Noi: toffoo can you ask friedcat an eta for it being done?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: —something memorable and fun, like 1Ns17iag9jJgTHD1VXjvLCEnZuQ3rJDE9L
Chaang-Noi: "Bitcoin is a hedge against the entire global currency system." nice line
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.481 = 5.291 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.48 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4799999 = 4.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.721 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: wow that is a really well written article
Chaang-Noi: i love that line i quoted, its in my sig now
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1078 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: well boys, sadly i must go eat steak and drink lots and lots of beer, if we get close to 100 ill be back, if not, good trading:)
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: just imagine if this becomes a mainstream bubble
Bugpowder: i should probabky stopselling coins
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.72 = 4.32 BTC [-]
fdas: In my opinion, it's not close to popping. but it's just a probabilistic event
taub: idk bro, everybody is shaking as we go up to 100
taub: and we haven't had a proper retracement since 60
fdas: good news are on mainstream news every day. and we are going up
fdas: i want to see retracement and consolidation on good news. when people get used to that btc>80
taub: oh, bitcoin reached 1b market cap today
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.14508, Best ask: 94.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.35492, Last trade: 94.50000, 24 hour volume: 65617.39331966, 24 hour low: 85.35000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 89.83651
bgupta: so curious question.. how much fiat value in USD do folks think people have taken out of btc and have on hand (largely I'm thinking about early owners, but any one really who's taken some profits would count here)
gribble: There are currently 34625409 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9449688.47191 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0187 seconds
bgupta: IE: I'm wondering how much fiat there is on hand for trading from active traders.
taub: i'd wonder more about the coins
taub: new people bring in fiat
Bugpowder: bgupta: look at what i just typed in
bgupta: ah.. but it must be more than that
taub: Mid-cap: $2 billion.$10 billion
taub: Small-cap: $250 million.$2 billion
taub: well, getting there
bgupta: no news yet on btc billion milestone
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.008551 BTC [-]
troc: hmm market cap, I like bids >0 better, perhaps an inter-exchange 'bids 0' USD would be even better.
taub: MARC FABER: Not Even Gold Will Be Able To Save You From What Is Coming
taub: this dude always gives me the creeps
taub: i mean with his predictions, depressing
taub: 93.5 its going to zero
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060077 / 0.0006081 / 0.00061253 (48495 shares, 29.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00060001 / 0.00067102 / 0.00073756 (1745269 shares, 1,171.12 BTC), 30D: 0.00060001 / 0.00073593 / 0.00078628 (16750478 shares, 12,327.29 BTC)
Bugpowder: i really don't see how bondholders are going to avoid a loss at this point
Bugpowder: bitbet revenue is much much smaller
Bugpowder: mpoe has a proven business model that prints bitcoins
Bugpowder: they just have had a very bad month due to the directionality of the move
thestringpuller: i want to buy more on a decrease, but I dont want to see a month similar to August 2012
Bugpowder: BBET might work out long term, but .002 is awfully rich. It assumes very high growth rates sustained over long periods
Bugpowder: You won't lose money from a zero dividend
Bugpowder: Why not set a cheap bid below the current price
Bugpowder: pay attention and make a quick move
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01965 BTC [+]
Namworld: [08:16] <thestringpuller> ;;calc (89.71 - 75)/75
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.01966 = 0.0393 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.34162, Best ask: 92.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15838, Last trade: 92.30000, 24 hour volume: 66928.10223158, 24 hour low: 85.35000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.01309
Namworld: Slightly worse off... but good nevertheless
Bugpowder: vwap is still rising and will for the next few hours at the very least
taub: is stock trading really worth it?
taub: its probably more liquid than i make it out to be
Bugpowder: there were are few trading bots running on S.MPOE for a long time
Bugpowder: but haven't seen them in the past few weeks
taub: I prefer being able to get in and out without much hassle, even with mtgox lag the risk is fairly limited
taub: but with stocks i dunno, is there a good site with historic charts?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 51 @ 0.003818 = 0.1947 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.003817 = 0.0382 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.33308869 = 333.0887 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00343 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <fdas> i want to see retracement and consolidation on good news. <<< this.
Bugpowder: what is someone so clueless doing with 1000 C610Ts
fdas: tiberiusiv: why do you think Faber is a drunk?
Bugpowder: yah I guess if you have 5000 C610Ts you might want to get ahead of the curve on the sale
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.31112439 = 311.1244 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Yah I thought it might come a day early
Bugpowder: people wanting to jump the gun on weekend weekness
gribble: There are currently 34623114 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9311886.37161 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0202 seconds
taub: this move means nothing yet
mircea_popescu: i imagine most outstanding option interest will close today actually
mircea_popescu: prolly people too edgy to hunker down for friday lockdown
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: The big gains in price seem to be happening at morning it Romania, is it you mp? ;)
mircea_popescu: ya, my slavegirls for bitcoin auctions are at noon so all the rich emirs are buying their bitcoin early.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.46 = 1.38 BTC [-]
deadweasel: where is the bitcointalk thread about btcquick?
ThickAsThieves: got my first friend calling me asking about buying ONE bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: been posting about btc on my facebook feed since $20, people wait til $93 to ask
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.19997 = 0.3999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0059 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 98 @ 0.006 = 0.588 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00599 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 99 @ 0.006 = 0.594 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the big winner from yesterday lost it all
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 3 @ 0.006 = 0.018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 75 @ 0.006 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 22 @ 0.00601 = 0.1322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00310001 / 0.00375185 / 0.00448 (74503 shares, 279.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00310001 / 0.00410842 / 0.00499997 (208663 shares, 857.28 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00514212 / 0.0063799 (1225687 shares, 6,302.63 BTC)
kakobrekla: today is the day of leveraged platforms
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.80000000 / 1.82978723 / 1.85000000 (47 shares, 86.00000000 BTC), 7D: 1.41000000 / 1.73766344 / 2.00000000 (186 shares, 323.20540034 BTC), 30D: 1.40000000 / 1.93289075 / 18.00000000 (697 shares, 1347.22485269 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
pgp: my gut tells me that's there's an "undisclosed problem" over at coinbase...
kakobrekla: bitcoinstore went from like 20% to 50% in a day or two?
pgp: no real fact to back that up - just a feeling...
pgp: agreed... something shady going on there...
kakobrekla: i heard so much shit/bugs/lol regarding them its not even funny
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.75570, Best ask: 93.96999, Bid-ask spread: 0.21429, Last trade: 93.96999, 24 hour volume: 68563.92218634, 24 hour low: 86.13000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.32462
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00060983 = 2.0429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9461 @ 0.00061111 = 5.7817 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.49999 = 11.4998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.9951 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.381 = 0.762 BTC [+]
pgp: btw - the "grownups" over at tradehill have yet to offer anything more than their shockingly underwhelming alpha product...
pgp: which is soooo bare bones that it makes a concentration camp look like a country club...
pgp: and, frankly, embarassing...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5000 @ 0.00066 = 3.3 BTC [-]
deadweasel: my concern with coinbase is that they clearly don't keep your btc in a 'wallet' of your own.
pgp: my guess is that they had some sort of immutable deadline to hit with investors...
pgp: deadweasal: i've heard that they've cancelled transactions a week after the fact...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00350012 = 6.3002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00350011 = 17.5006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0033 = 6.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1025 @ 0.00310001 = 3.1775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 325 @ 0.00310001 = 1.0075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 467937 @ 0.0031 = 1450.6047 BTC [-]
pgp: time to sell asicminer... while you can...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.87501, Best ask: 93.96999, Bid-ask spread: 0.09498, Last trade: 93.96999, 24 hour volume: 68633.28583622, 24 hour low: 86.29010, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.39382
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 52 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <smickles> "Seeing your picture my grandchild starts crying."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.381 = 1.905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.3804 = 2.6628 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3803 = 1.1409 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.3802 = 1.901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.38000001 = 3.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.38 = 1.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.37031001 = 2.5922 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.3703 = 2.2218 BTC [-]
Bugpowdeer: I guess they haven't seen the latest numbers
mircea_popescu: <pgp> my gut tells me that's there's an "undisclosed problem" over at coinbase... << i read someone saying something similar iirc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [-]
pgp: If I had to guess, I'd say that coinbase is doing the same thing that lots of struggling companies do - "vendor financing"
mircea_popescu: so incidentally, cavirtex raised 5k btc on theory they will get regulated
pgp: extending their payables and using the float to stay alive...
mircea_popescu: instead using that as a nest egg to compete in the bitfinex/icbit scamspace ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
jborkl: mp, can i get a deposit cleared
pgp: haven't you heard? there are no "grownups" over there...
mircea_popescu: i mean... there's a bridge and a hole and a line of people
pgp: you can lead a horse to water...
mircea_popescu: "unskilled and unaware. how lacking metacognitive skills prevent internet tards from realising just how stupid they really are"
pgp: Socrates would approve of that statement - for sure...
mircea_popescu: pgp socrate would only approve of it if it were rephrased as aquestion.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
pgp: in any case, i think that all of the young, budding, bitcoin entrepreneurs out there should not the following: if it's worth doing then it's probably worth doing it well
pgp: "note" the following...
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0031 / 0.00319353 / 0.00448 (552590 shares, 1,764.71 BTC), 7D: 0.0031 / 0.00341094 / 0.00499997 (686750 shares, 2,342.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00457092 / 0.0063799 (1703774 shares, 7,787.83 BTC)
mircea_popescu: pgp the budding bitcoin entreprewhatevers still have much more basic issues, such as for instance dealing with their daddy complexes
Bugpowdeer: coming up on 15:00... excited for some more volume!
Bugpowdeer: wake up san francisco, $100 is calling!
mircea_popescu: so basically s.dice has fallen, from 0.0032 per share when btc was 9 usd
gribble: Error: "tickeer" is not a valid command.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.03900, Best ask: 94.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.16100, Last trade: 94.20000, 24 hour volume: 69119.18421854, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.46821
pgp: it's all about your base currency frame of reference...
mircea_popescu: prolly should add the dividends in that calculation but im lazy
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.DICE Bids: ['5600 @ 0.0032', '3000 @ 0.00310001', '337063 @ 0.0031', '100 @ 0.00100121', '3000 @ 0.00100002']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['3000 @ 0.00398999', '12548 @ 0.00399997', '53154 @ 0.00399999', '3815 @ 0.00448', '9896 @ 0.00475']
Bugpowdeer: and betting volume has fallen from ~200,000BTC / mo to ~200,000 BTC /mo
pgp: gross it by 50% or so then
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdeer ya but conversely, it failed to grow from 200k to 200k.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's like 1-2k more at 31, after which 0.001 ? 0.0008 ?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060077 / 0.00060853 / 0.00061253 (59306 shares, 36.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00060001 / 0.00066987 / 0.00073756 (1728845 shares, 1,158.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00060001 / 0.00073582 / 0.00078628 (16755389 shares, 12,329.08 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.446 = 6.244 BTC [-]
Bugpowdeer: expected dividends will be 1.33% /mo at .003
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdeer well here's the thing : if old blood sells s.dice to get btc to sell for usd to get a new car/house/gf
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['14053 @ 0.00060778', '6420 @ 0.00060001', '100000 @ 0.0006', '20200 @ 0.00059977', '8272 @ 0.00058185']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['2003 @ 0.00061111', '15900 @ 0.00061412', '11865 @ 0.00062464', '14100 @ 0.00062766', '1300 @ 0.00068293']
mircea_popescu: and new blood buys btc and then goes and invests it in bitbillions and equivalents
mircea_popescu: i'm like fucking sysyphus over here, gotta start over educating the crowd
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.49990, Best ask: 94.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00010, Last trade: 94.50000, 24 hour volume: 69356.59162769, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.48276
splnkr_: is anyone here NOT expecting a massive selloff at $100?
jborkl: .Satoshi Dice is all good- people need to remember there have been many distractions this month
splnkr_: or is there enough trading in other currencies that the USD psychological sell ceiling won't have that much of an impact?
jborkl: House break even so far
mircea_popescu: jborkl the main concern really is that with the inflow of new people drawn in by all the media exposure
mircea_popescu: there's a huge influx of scammers looking to fleece them
mircea_popescu: with a little bit of bad luck we might end up drowned to the point where scammer discourse becomes the central discourse of btc
pgp: this move up have been really stong, but the ride WILL get bumpy
jborkl: Well, that is true - it almost happened before
mircea_popescu: so yeah... i want to ask everyone to be as vocal as time permits about what's what.
mircea_popescu: if scammers take over btc... there's no sort of future.
pgp: i agree, public perception matters more than anything else
jborkl: Ok, I like pointing out scammers- they are easy to find
jborkl: let me go to otc for a minute
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't take much to puncture scammer "consensus".
jborkl: in all seriousness , mp is correct
pgp: I've got some tullip bulbs for sale...
jborkl: I have to applaud mp for not being GLBSE and listing shitty products
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.19997 = 0.9999 BTC [+]
jborkl: ok, , I will go to the forum- shudders in disdain
pgp: yeah, like working on a snazzy new HTML5 GUI for mpex?
splnkr_: it seems tough to analyze the amount of "black hat" types here...
taub: mircea_popescu> that is a lot more concerning than any sort of crash
taub: what not kills you makes you stronger
splnkr_: my feeling is a large number of "unknown" miners are actually "white hats" that just want their BTC to be 100% private so they can use it without the oversight of prying eyes
taub: so community will have to learn to be vigilant
taub: if there is too much scamming going on
splnkr_: but of course some of them would love to run a 51% attack
taub: dont think it will hurt in the long run
taub: oh, the 51% attack mh, that's kinda iffy
pgp: I agree that an emerging mining "oligarchy" could be cause for concern
splnkr_: i know i'm new here but i really want to be part of this discussion
splnkr_: i've been a miner/trader for only about 30 days, but what a wild ride
pgp: then by all means, discuss!
splnkr_: and can't lie that i'm more interested now that ever...
splnkr_: but as a miner, i feel like i have no incentive to collude with other miners
taub: its pretty hard to get blocks on your own isnt it
splnkr_: oh sure taub, i'm in a mining pool
splnkr_: i mean actually knowing and coordinating with people beyond a simple mining pool
pgp: thin line between "coordinated mining collective" and collussion... semantics, really...
splnkr_: so as the network hashrate grows like crazy, it will then become prohibitively costly for a malicious party to purchase enough hardware to fork the chain, will it not?
splnkr_: assuming ASICS proliferate in the wild
taub: I keep hearing that word, its just a scam isn't it?
ThickAsThieves: if a large entity decided to do a 51% attack, they'd just keep quiet til ready and do it
gribble: There are currently 16043.318 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1572513.39873 USD in total. | Data vintage: 66.4927 seconds
gribble: There are currently 5158.7942 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 472230.45431 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.6336 seconds
jborkl: The fork was caused by a error, Slush did it (an accident)
jborkl: We were all sent notification through bitcoind
jborkl: not just pools, anyone the mines and paid attention
jborkl: and what would it say?
jborkl: that would not make sense
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
jborkl: That needs to be fixed, too much is one group- BFL shipping will rebalance
ThickAsThieves: unless your goal is simply to keill bitcoin in its current form
jborkl: 10 million a month is mining revenue currently is passed around
MJR_: ;;calc (90.39-41)/90.39
jborkl: so, people protect that
jborkl: A misbehaving node can be controlled
Chaang-Noi: what is this? not even a new ath while im gone :)
ThickAsThieves: we've been working so hard to get to 95 for you and now you complain!
Chaang-Noi: until we get to $10,000 i wont quit bitching!
Bugpowdeer: you will be bitching then "I shouldn't have sold everything at $150!"
Chaang-Noi: when btcv was 3$ i was telling evey i knew to go all in
Chaang-Noi: But bitcoin miners say thieves will struggle to keep up, as coin-generating technology becomes more sophisticated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14053 @ 0.00060778 = 8.5411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2136 @ 0.00060001 = 1.2816 BTC [-]
smickles: wow, isn't that an odd way of putting it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.446 = 4.46 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: they are talking to people like my mom
smickles: In other news, my daughter is pissed at this plastic chain. she put it together, but can't yet figure how to take it apart
Chaang-Noi: if you missed it, best one in a liong fucknig time
Chaang-Noi: swmickles everyone in the world being told about bitcoin is a good thing :/
smickles: lol, what's with that pic ath the beginning?
Chaang-Noi: even if its dumped down to retard level
jcpham: no way i'm paying $100 for bitcoins
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.68001, Best ask: 94.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.26998, Last trade: 94.68001, 24 hour volume: 67839.20759077, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.71155
Chaang-Noi: you will pay all you have in fiat for $100 btc when market price is north of $1000
Chaang-Noi: google stock is $800 and they have billions of them
Bugpowdeer: I wish I had linked the first page of that article instead of the second. D'Oh!
Chaang-Noi: thatartical is the first i evar hear d of asics
Bugpowdeer: nothing worse than fucking up a link you tweet out
Chaang-Noi: i assumed you would have read the link before tweeting it out
MJR_: ethnic cleansing may be worse...MAY
smickles: Chaang-Noi: well, the whole world being told about bitcoin being 'hilarious' isn't so nifty
Bugpowdeer: now its a joke on the global financial system
Chaang-Noi: now its,. hahaha world banks suck... bitcoin???
Chaang-Noi: wait for holy fuckig shit buy BTC nowwwwS!@!!!!
Chaang-Noi: there is always a percent of the population that will do what they are told not to do
Chaang-Noi: once btc is THE system we can worry about what they print not if they print
gribble: There are currently 14210.284 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1394105.41065 USD in total. | Data vintage: 31.3003 seconds
Chaang-Noi: even if we correct im a long term btc bull, i aint selling
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.33904992 = 339.0499 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.45001, Best ask: 94.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44999, Last trade: 94.90000, 24 hour volume: 66648.47894810, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.82810
Chaang-Noi: i have champagne on ice, hope i can have it for brekfast :)
smickles: Chaang-Noi: if you had to guess, today, tomorrow, or neither?
ThickAsThieves: i dont see any reason why the next 24 hours wont be just like the last, we'll hover somewhere under 100 til about 6:30UTC, and then break 100
Chaang-Noi: smickles i dont know cuz the massive weekend for the zobarz
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1078 = 0.4312 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: smickes apple did! but then now its back
Chaang-Noi: some people fear 100 and then correction so sell before 100
Chaang-Noi: and thus with the long weekend a hard fight (maybe)
Chaang-Noi: then again, its only 1 fucking million fiat
gribble: There are currently 8654.7753 bitcoins offered at or under 98.99 USD, worth 836893.149398 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.7241 seconds
Chaang-Noi: cuz all the perv at home doing nothing then getting fiat in accounts might buy it up
jurov: mtgox doesn't accept anime? or at least hentai?
jurov: fudr.us down D-': now how we'll live without it?
jurov: they can accept it to be independent from banks
jurov: as a funding/withdrawal method
jurov: available always, including weekends and free days
jurov: well i just tried to provide some entertainment
jurov: no works from here
Chaang-Noi: who here smokes cigars from time to time?
unbalanced: Heh... it's the alt-fiat of the future
unbalanced: 100 CAD is just a little 300 BTC wall away.
jurov: ^ now there's some hot air
ThickAsThieves: i can see how it helps not influence price superficially
pgp: tradehill = douche bags
Chaang-Noi: i dont trust the fuckers, esp as they want dead gox codes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
pgp: it is amusing 10k min to open an account, but only 5k in gox code... So amateurish...
ThickAsThieves: i like the smell of cigars but the taste and feel makes me feel like cancer is growing in my mouth :/
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.0031 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: This guidance clarified the rules, and opened the door allowing municipalities to accept Bitcoin. Government entities accepting Bitcoins is a natural evolution, as Bitcoin becomes more popular.
kakobrekla: lol i got an email from slovenian finance paper
mircea_popescu: Now municipalities can offer their citizens another option in paying for services like permits, utilities, class or event registration, shelter reservations, or even parking tickets.
kakobrekla: well apparently they want to write about it - ill try to stop too much idiocy
error4733: mp what do you thinks about last SD trade ?
arij: guess thats not a channel
arij: i guess no btct chan.. i was just looking for it
smickles: unless you are saying "mee-pecks"
error4733: mp :dunno, last time your analyze was jsut small sell but the big actor stay in
error4733: but when you see this you shit brick : 467`937 S.DICE @ 0.00310000BTC = 1`450.60470000BTC.
error4733: haha thanx, true, it's only 135K$ of 35M$
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.89001, Best ask: 94.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10999, Last trade: 94.00000, 24 hour volume: 64052.68029751, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.26068
jborkl: SD price at .0031 compared to januaru yield of .0002 or feb yield of .0001 (dont remember feb # of the top of mmy head
mircea_popescu: error4733 a that. hehe yeah, kinda blows a hole in that theory huh
jborkl: SD canvhave a bad month here and there.nothing to panic about
jborkl: in sept i think. SD had a negative month.people panicked on lost out on great months after
jborkl: late last year.i dont remember when exactly
error4733: i thinks is not about negative month it's about btc rise
mircea_popescu: right after ipo s.dice had a string of disasters. first pirate blew up within a week of ipo, froze markets for like a month
jborkl: its been all good since then.weak hands just getting shaken out
mircea_popescu: yahoo recently paid 500mn for a bs service of summarizing newsfeeds.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
deadweasel: google and yahoo and microsoft do that all the time. just to squish competition and get patents.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.09 = 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1021 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.102 = 2.04 BTC [-]
taub: btceur looking p bad on btc24
taub: 66 eur more likely than you think
gribble: There are currently 34619556 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9415217.04575 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0176 seconds
taub: maybe i should move to that exchange
taub: and no api either i think
taub: make markets by hand all day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.37100001 = 2.968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.371 = 0.742 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.37045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.3703 = 3.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.37025 = 7.7753 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.37 = 3.33 BTC [-]
smickles: any website has an api. the website is the api
gribble: There are currently 34622807 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9714550.54955 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.5517 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4669.9555 bitcoins offered at or under 96.0 USD, worth 445174.658652 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0018 seconds
smickles: jeebus, 'merica doin' practice nuke runs over korea
taub: what a shitty site :?
Bugpowder: just a little pre workout warmup flex
Bugpowder: Back in college, was on the roof of a waterfront brownstone for a 4th of July party. B2 bomber did a flyby down the Charles River. Was DOPE. Felt very patriotic. :-P
smickles: I used to live near the AFB where most of them are stationed
smickles: at some angles those things were practically invisible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4284 @ 0.00060001 = 2.5704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2845 @ 0.0006 = 1.707 BTC [-]
jborkl: mp, can I get a deposit cleared
jborkl: micrea_popescu , can I get a deposit cleared
jborkl: I am moving money around, and that is what I have at the time. I will bunch them up
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.003 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.00203 = 0.0041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 987 @ 0.00201 = 1.9839 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 34623740 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9797949.0585 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.5180 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.44888888 = 1.3467 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 26 @ 0.446 = 11.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.445 = 4.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 0.73 = 10.22 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.51007, Best ask: 94.23500, Bid-ask spread: 0.72493, Last trade: 93.51006, 24 hour volume: 63226.19879144, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.59074
burnside: I missed a pretty good conversation earlier. <mircea_popescu> Namworld you're confusing things tho. burnside isn't touching fiat afaik.
burnside: So yeah, BTC Trading Corp is based in Belize. It has a native Belize corporate director. It has no bank accounts anywhere. It does not touch USD.
Bugpowder: Even if its not, it is true for many businesses in Cyprus
benkay: i want to see! what is thing?
benkay: dangers of operating out of a russian owned tax haven
benkay: in a fucked up fake continental government
benkay: is this massive freezing of funds s.o.p. for cypress? i was under the impression they were just getting a 10% asset haircut.
Bugpowder: this is the alternative to taking the under 100k stuff
benkay: fuck the business owners
Bugpowder: this is why bitcoin is exploding upwards, yah know!
benkay: people who add real value to your economy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.88 = 5.64 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: also, eurozone minister has said that due to lack of contaigon from this move means that they will look at this for recapitalization of any euro country.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.479 = 0.958 BTC [+]
benkay: may they rot in the statist hell of their own fabrication
mircea_popescu: "democracy is the theory that people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard"
mircea_popescu: which is why we have the "zero euro tolerance policy" to go witgh the earlier "zero usd tolerance policy"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.445 = 3.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.73 = 5.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.74 = 8.14 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: At Berenberg Bank in London, chief economist Holger Schmieding said the lesson is that “countries will take a lot of pain to stay in the eurozone. The glue that holds the eurozone together remains strong.”
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.50003, Best ask: 93.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.41997, Last trade: 93.92000, 24 hour volume: 62212.42069655, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.71323
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.412 = 7.828 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: I saw it somewhere yesterday.
mircea_popescu: bright mind behind the sns real nationalisation earlier this year.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
deadweasel: btcquick seems to be out of coins too.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.721 BTC [-]
jborkl: DeathandTaxes is always pretty funny to read
bowjob: ltc seems to be rising
pgp: coinbase (not CERN) discovers the antiBitcoin...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.449 = 1.347 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i know someone (not me) got more than they should
deadweasel: kakobrekla: i've been trying to send teh extra 30btc they put in my account several times. never confirms though...
deadweasel: Those 30BTC reappear about twice a week, then they are gone.
kakobrekla: oh yeah, frequent occurance, i can proxy that for you
pgp: its folks like coinbase that are the real threat to bitcoin...
deadweasel: they don't have the staff or know-how to keep the whole venture together.
pgp: important lesson from youth - don't bite off more than you can chew...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.391 = 3.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.39099999 = 3.91 BTC [-]
deadweasel: taub, is that BTC based coffee haus? ;p
bowjob: ooh, i got some coffee for BTC
bowjob: whole beans, i had to grind it myself
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.50003, Best ask: 94.20987, Bid-ask spread: 0.70984, Last trade: 94.20987, 24 hour volume: 61725.33652781, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.83414
pgp: i think gox runs on a comodore 64
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006 / 0.00060667 / 0.00061111 (71731 shares, 43.52 BTC), 7D: 0.0006 / 0.00066734 / 0.00073756 (1700409 shares, 1,134.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0006 / 0.00073559 / 0.00078628 (16751673 shares, 12,322.39 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.50010, Best ask: 92.56500, Bid-ask spread: 0.06490, Last trade: 92.50010, 24 hour volume: 61725.33652781, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.83414
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.50003, Best ask: 93.85000, Bid-ask spread: 0.34997, Last trade: 93.50002, 24 hour volume: 61725.33652781, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.83414
Uglux: lol dat background on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00398996 = 7.9799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00060104 = 1.2622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00061412 = 9.2118 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well the one on twitter background is from like 2004
ThickAsThieves: sometimes you look like a professor, some like a folsky metrosexual :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00398997 = 5.3865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00061412 = 0.5527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00062188 = 5.4104 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "Seemingly, but within that basic framework there are many subtle variations only discernible to an acute observer that reflect the many moods, the many shades, the many sides of George Costanza."
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.00001, Best ask: 93.84000, Bid-ask spread: 0.83999, Last trade: 93.84000, 24 hour volume: 65843.44932600, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.98969
ThickAsThieves: "Everyone's blessed with one special thing." ~ Dirk Diggler
pgp: looks like bitfinex is down...
pgp: i think julliane moore will surprise you in this movie
mircea_popescu: she's liek the embodiment of why gingers are alien evil things
pgp: can anyone else get to bitfinex?
bowjob: All right. My Casa coin is here, I will pick it up
bowjob: I usually chuck coins around.. this one is gonna be precious
mircea_popescu: if i get pissed off and end up whipping innocenty bystander nude girlies it'll be on your collective conscience.
smickles: btce does shit like that sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 987 @ 0.34793577 = 343.4126 BTC [+]
gribble: A market order to sell 700 bitcoins right now would net 64397.2774 USD and would take the last price down to 91.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 91.9961 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 44.7079 seconds
smickles: on gox that wouldn't have gone so far
mircea_popescu: i think this is it, we only got so far so i could have my 50mn landmark
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.32624087 = 326.2409 BTC [+]
bowjob: yeap. back to single digits
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.28000, Best ask: 93.38999, Bid-ask spread: 0.10999, Last trade: 93.28000, 24 hour volume: 66005.58663438, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.00435
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.28000, Best ask: 93.38999, Bid-ask spread: 0.10999, Last trade: 93.28000, 24 hour volume: 66005.58663438, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.00435
pgp: i wouldn't be surprised to see a selloff down to the 60's
Bugpowder: test drive on Saturday, after the Audi visit
Bugpowder: pgp, we will probably hit the 60s and bounce right back
Bugpowder: I have quite the stack in gox ready to go
bowjob: It's just means weak hands going to strong hands
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.30475646 = 304.7565 BTC [+]
smickles: options have been closing out, eh?
Bugpowder: the guy selling this options is literally an idiot
pgp: that's right - lots of new entrants - they'll run for cover at the first sign of trouble
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i've noticed the low ones are selling, like 610 630
mircea_popescu: maybe he judges the potential upside not worth the risk.
smickles: lol, Bugpowder I was about to ask if that was you :D
pgp: more selling at BTC-e...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: what is the time premium on them right now
mircea_popescu: but something like this : got them around 10, selling them for 30something is 3x his capital.
Bugpowder: ;;calc (.30475-(91.87-65)/91.87)*91.87
Bugpowder: not sure if I agree with it but, vwap is effectively priced at 93.0 with the bot bid
Bugpowder: yeah, but it happens at 00:00 GMT?
gesell: am i the only one left holding s.dice
bowjob: i dumped dice a long time ago
Bugpowder: gesell: someone is holding 13MM share
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006 / 0.0006091 / 0.00062188 (98431 shares, 59.95 BTC), 7D: 0.0006 / 0.00066543 / 0.00072379 (1699609 shares, 1,130.98 BTC), 30D: 0.0006 / 0.0007354 / 0.00078628 (16778373 shares, 12,338.83 BTC)
thestringpuller: need to start making arrangements to short MPOE at this rate...
thestringpuller: why you sending me youtube videos if you don't have flash :P
pgp: bitfinex is still unavailable - I wonder what's going on...
kakobrekla: incapable fucks are doing bitcoin is what its going on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00062188 = 3.9178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00062464 = 7.4114 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00062766 = 8.85 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.13482, Best ask: 93.29999, Bid-ask spread: 1.16517, Last trade: 93.29999, 24 hour volume: 66166.83414017, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.03285
gesell: are there historical charts for S.DICE? would be interested to see how the stock performed during similar rocky months
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 minutes and 7 seconds ago: <smickles> couldn't be
mircea_popescu: pgp maybe somebody finally got bored of their idiocy and used one of the five i mean eight i mean nine billion ror 0days
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like these journotards copy/pasting dumbed down versions of what i was writing months ago and figuring they're part of the conversation.
pgp: my spidey sense tells me that something is about to happen
gribble: A market order to sell 400000 bitcoins right now would net 9392061.3579 USD and would take the last price down to 0.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 23.4802 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0149 seconds
pgp: a shakeout at these level would be healthy
mircea_popescu: i need my bitcoins to trade 5 for a used tesla later on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00062187 = 3.1094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.32710954 = 327.1095 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: am i confused or is buying that option so close to deadline rather questionable?
smickles: thestringpuller: probably selling back purchased ones
ThickAsThieves: thats funny, because thats what i used to think it meant
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.3056527 = 305.6527 BTC [+]
pgp: sell now, you'll be able to buy back cheeper
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 90.32000, Best ask: 90.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 90.32000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.3055781 = 305.5781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.28411896 = 284.119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.26265983 = 262.6598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.21974155 = 219.7416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.24120069 = 241.2007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.19828242 = 198.2824 BTC [+]
taub: $5 isn't really that much considering it's at 90
jborkl: looks like a regular opex date to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.00050015 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.74 = 7.4 BTC [+]
taub: i was short twice today
taub: but closed out @ breakeven
taub: if you fish, you gotta stick to it
pgp: funny thing is that I shorted on bitfinex and now I can't even get to the fuckin' site!
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.90001, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00411 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.74 = 7.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C590T] 1000 @ 0.3699555 = 369.9555 BTC [+]
taub: the thing to remember now is
taub: sell when it's this low
taub: because it will go to zero
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C610T] 1000 @ 0.34849637 = 348.4964 BTC [+]
pgp: [16:08] <pgp> my spidey sense tells me that something is about to happen
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 1000 @ 0.32703723 = 327.0372 BTC [-]
mpexbot: smickles: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 83.57363506 high: 83.58929887 low: 61.9373141 volume: 67796 btc: 11746.6100017 30 day: no data
TomServo: Don't think I've seen it that high yet.
taub: i think i know what the lag is and how you can cause it
taub: haven't tested it yet
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 84.68400, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 3.31600, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
taub: Bugpowder: you get out?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 84.68400, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 3.31600, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
pgp: I think somewhere in the 60's is where it'll bottom out and presumable bounce back...
taub: idk, bounce before likely, then it might try 60
taub: 60 is a bit far imo
taub: 80, and then worse from there, but not in one huge move
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23792695 = 237.927 BTC [-]
taub: and now we play the lag game
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.2163756 = 216.3756 BTC [-]
smickles: www.teevault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Now-Panic-and-Freak-Out-Tshirt.jpg << good find whoever earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.19482424 = 194.8242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C630T] 10 @ 0.32413236 = 3.2413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.15280605 = 0.6112 BTC [-]
pgp: 70000 traded in the low 60's before going back up
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.80000, Best ask: 88.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 300 @ 0.2594783 = 77.8435 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 300 @ 0.28102966 = 84.3089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 300 @ 0.30258101 = 90.7743 BTC [-]
bitesak: are these assbot messages options that are exercised?
bitesak: is there no way to cancel an order in coinbr ?
mpexbot: smickles: 0.108469963074 seconds
Bugpowder_: lol watch this bounce higher than ever
jurov: bitesak, how does the order look on dashboard?
Ukto: Bugpowder_: possibly
Bugpowder_: smickles: did u just take down your bot?
Ukto: but its time for fridays weekend drop tomorrow
smickles: Bugpowder_: mine's being delayed by gox
ThickAsThieves: for all my bitching about gox suggested price freezing, i should note it's frozen at 92.7 atm
bitesak: I don't see any cancel button in dashboard. There is detail and Copy Order...
jurov: yes, but is the order Queued or Waiting or?
Bugpowder_: poor guy who bot $5000 off me this morning @ 97.54
jurov: sth broke then.. looking into it...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 23 @ 0.01006016 = 0.2314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 52 @ 0.00903515 = 0.4698 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 87.30000, Best ask: 87.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 87.30000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.16930804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.19341941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 4 @ 0.21510589 = 0.8604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.19351975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.19351975 = 193.3262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 995 @ 0.21510589 = 214.0304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23669203 = 236.692 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.25827817 = 258.2782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.27986431 = 279.8643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 1000 @ 0.30145045 = 301.4505 BTC [-]
bitesak: anychance it can be fixed soon so I can take care of this before heading out?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 88.00000, Best ask: 89.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 88.00000, 24 hour volume: 66265.68140184, 24 hour low: 86.63000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 92.04115
mpexbot: smickles: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 84.67319583 high: 84.68490566 low: 66.22384528 volume: 77763 btc: 14138.0440799 30 day: no data
gribble: Error: "bc,24prc" is not a valid command.
jborkl: someone needs to take assbot out for a drink
smickles: so that 700 dump on btce really spooked some people, eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.15103205 = 0.6041 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: what happened to that one asshole that hung around here and annoyed the shit out of me because I wuldnt give him preferencial treatment
smickles: oh, noes, i can't fetch mtgox depth
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1201 BTC [-]
bowjob: back to less than a billion
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
smickles: and he had it on ice, ready to go
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.119 = 0.833 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.2133214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.19168637 BTC [+]
bowjob: these bears are gonna be in a world of hurt
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.19168637 = 191.4947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.14425872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 999 @ 0.2133214 = 213.1081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.16512605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23495643 = 234.9564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.25659146 = 256.5915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.27822649 = 278.2265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C650T] 700 @ 0.29986152 = 209.9031 BTC [-]
taub: i think the lag might be because all the fund checks mtgox does, like you can put in orders witout having funds
bowjob: mines the one on the left
taub: when another order gets filled mtgox will fund those other orders insantly
taub: putting the exchange on hold first
bowjob: I'd love to get a 2013 on
bowjob: this coin I have will be a perma physical coin
bowjob: What I don't understand is why someone would cash out to fiat
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 90.00000, Best ask: 90.15000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 90.00000, 24 hour volume: 78305.80736563, 24 hour low: 84.68400, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 91.32378
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 43 @ 0.1161 = 4.9923 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 40 @ 0.1115 = 4.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.108 BTC [-]
smickles: bowjob: btw, that lappy in the background was freshly purchased with btc :D
Diablo-D3: so no one has seen eskimobob around?
pgp: one more chance to sell
gribble: EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> wow, LOOK! A 11 btc trade at pervert bazaar. Must be a killer week of trading :)
Diablo-D3: maybe he ragequit when I started making good on my promise
bowjob: he could be tiber actually
gribble: There are currently 5726.2787 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 474027.313763 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but he defaulted iirc
gribble: There are currently 5196.4086 bitcoins offered at or under 95.0 USD, worth 485299.540029 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.2856 seconds
Diablo-D3: cant remember the name of the asset
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3788 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.37100001 = 2.597 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 29 @ 0.371 = 10.759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 23 @ 0.37 = 8.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.37 = 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.19098576 = 190.9858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.21263947 = 212.6395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23429318 = 234.2932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.2559469 = 255.9469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.27760061 = 277.6006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.435 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 1009.4445 bitcoins demanded at or over 88.0 USD, worth 88831.1116898 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0064 seconds
taub: lots of people being at home and having plenty of time to panic
taub: gonna be interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.19957113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.17589554 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.1904595 = 190.269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 999 @ 0.21212725 = 211.9151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23379499 = 233.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 1000 @ 0.25546274 = 255.4627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 1000 @ 0.27713049 = 277.1305 BTC [-]
pgp: a lot of for sale at 87
gribble: (title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
Cylta: so, when popescu are planning to sell his coins? I will not believe that he will pass this fun:-)
smickles: Cylta: mp has said befor that he doesn't intend to sell
Cylta: hmm.. for chinese or japanese money.
Cylta: smicles, oh, thanks. I did not see it.
Cylta: however, for me its strange to loose such oportunity...
Cylta: to play with big fluctuation, that may happen soon.
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thestringpuller: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e00de96eba2eeab5e6a9455a939de58ac170fb9de7b1e0d9b356eda6
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gribble: You are identified as user thestringpuller, with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
Cylta: nevermind, too late, its happening right now :-)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.15683346 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm probably the largest player anyway, indirectly, via mpoe bot.
pgp: and now comes the panic selling
Namworld: no, not a good time. Expire next day
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.50000, Best ask: 83.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 83.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
jurov: such a patience test for me ear every month's end
jurov: sitting on heap of MPBPT funds and avoid doing anything stupid with them
jurov: as whole worls around writhes in panic
taub: let me take a peak at otc
jurov: but the btcquick ipo sharpshooting paid handsomely :p
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1000 @ 0.18746445 = 187.4645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 1000 @ 0.20921206 = 209.2121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.23095968 = 230.9597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C690T] 695 @ 0.25270729 = 175.6316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C670T] 700 @ 0.27445491 = 192.1184 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 81.00000, Best ask: 82.95000, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 82.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
Cylta: mp are you able in technical meaning to start rally or panic sell?
smickles: Namworld: you could buy the N puts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.40999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "vwap" is not a valid command.
smickles: or, wait. how will the name conversion affect that?
mpexbot: smickles: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 86.19880169 high: 86.20830418 low: 66.22384528 volume: 97867 btc: 18859.8396038 30 day: no data
Cylta: for example by big sell on mtgox, or serie of small sells, or by changing ratio of amount of options on mpex...
jurov: or by postponing to list calls struck above 75, you mean?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1076 BTC [+]
bowjob: I feel the knife, it hurts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00066576 = 1.964 BTC [+]
jurov: btw, i could really use a cheatsheet for the bots on -assets website
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.00000, Best ask: 82.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 80.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
Namworld: fuck this... we're going to 1 USD/BTC!
jurov: lol...only if satoshi's selling
jurov: upon seeing devteam's recent endeavors
smickles: this is going to be one heluva beer run
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.13883755 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 67 @ 0.74 = 49.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 999 @ 0.18391246 = 183.7285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.12032302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C730T] 979 @ 0.2057548 = 201.4339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C710T] 1000 @ 0.22759713 = 227.5971 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what happenes if MPOEBOT writes a contract
ThickAsThieves: dude someone is buying massive amounts of AM shares on BitFunder
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.749 = 2.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.749 = 1.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.749 = 5.992 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 78.51110, Best ask: 79.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.48890, Last trade: 79.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 2 @ 0.66444382 = 1.3289 BTC [+]
jurov: lol good i bought my calls like month ago
jurov: C310s not affected.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 79.00010, Best ask: 79.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89990, Last trade: 79.90000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
damientrog: ha, I just bought gold at 96,143$ / BTC
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but what if it buys the contract back for more and then the exercise amount goes up?
jborkl: the bot buys back the call and closes the position
Namworld: actually what WOULD happen (which it won't) is the option would be executed at a profit, but money taken from the collateral.
thestringpuller: I'm not trying to find out anything just asking business logic questions...
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 78000.0000 USD and would take the last price up to 78.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 78.0000 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0002 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 77.76413, Best ask: 78.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.23587, Last trade: 78.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
jborkl: there are a flood of calls being sold back to the bot at a profit, so a excess supply would drive price down
Bowjob_: All right, I got some free soup. I can sell at 89 per BTC
pgp: 4000 offered at 78....
gribble: There are currently 10389.23 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 787700.842721 USD in total. | Data vintage: 61.7392 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.12938115 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.749 = 2.247 BTC [+]
Namworld: We'll hit a wall pretty soon...
KRS1: how long do these freezes last
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 757756.5473 USD and would take the last price down to 75.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 75.7757 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0006 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 77.50000, Best ask: 78.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 77.50000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
KRS1: ya the quote on mtgox hasnt changed in 10-15 min i think
smickles: oh, it depends on how many orders are put to gox
pgp: coin trading at 92 on bitfloor... totally disconnected markets....
KRS1: so they freeze it to stabilize the price i assume
smickles: they just have a trading engine which can't keep up
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 77.70000, Best ask: 77.98870, Bid-ask spread: 0.28870, Last trade: 77.70000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563
Namworld: the freeze probably exacerbate the sellout/jumps in
KRS1: oh i see..damn..not sure what to think about that then..would think the price would stabilize from wild swings or something with the timeout. good guess but wrong eh
Namworld: because people can't see the price and panic buy/sell
KRS1: thats a good thing i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 0.05255101 = 52.551 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.75 = 16.5 BTC [+]
KRS1: been using btc for two years now at least and didnt realize just how much i didnt know til i started looking more into this and talking to you fine folks
taub: its going deeper than I thought it would
smickles: how fast can the 24h-all-market-vwap move?
jurov: let them buy puts. mpbor prolly needs some healing
Namworld: But if they're going to waste money, better give it to me instead =/
Namworld: Average is high enough that one could wait much longer and buy those puts at the same price
Namworld: plus average moves too slowly, we'd have to see a further massive drop
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 44 seconds
gribble: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
pgp: 4000 showed up for sale on bitfinex
smickles: well, not offline, just stops selling/buying *T
Bowjob_: I will sell at least 100 worth for 89
KRS1: any way to get any mtgox data right now
Namworld: A quarter kilo of gold... neat
pgp: half way to my target price
mircea_popescu: if there's say 50k btc dumped right now at an avg of 60 the vwap would drop to like 70 on the next tick
Cylta: damientrog you should make/buy that old-fashion bag for gold coins now :-)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 76.25000, Best ask: 77.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 77.00000, 24 hour volume: 86859.06297305, 24 hour low: 82.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.77563