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assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00988 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i do think you have to be at least a little bit of a day trader and btc enuthusiast to have a chance of keeping up
tiberiusiv: daytrading is no different then playing satoshi dice
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.009861 = 0.0493 BTC [-]
Anduck: yes if you're bad at it XD
ThickAsThieves: tiberiusv thats an overstatement
ThickAsThieves: yes it is risky
ThickAsThieves: but there are clear ways to profit
jborkl: anduck, good job on moving your shares
burnside: <ThickAsThieves> not sure if this is a silly question, but in BTCT's Analysis area, when i sell a share, which value does it use to determine the value of that one share if I paid various prices and own many?
Anduck: jborkl: been doing it and i am successing on it
Anduck: =)
burnside: it works by taking the share count you currently have, and working backwards in your trade history figures out the weighted average purchase price for the shares you're currently holding
jborkl: good timing
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/
ThickAsThieves: so it essentially subtracts one averaged unit
mircea_popescu: i'd appreciate if anyone puts that up on reddit/wherever, distributes it
ThickAsThieves: (and once before in January but that didn’t much at all),
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so he does it exactly as described, by cost basis
ThickAsThieves: word
ThickAsThieves: mp ^ typo
burnside: yup
mircea_popescu: ty!
ThickAsThieves: i didnt really think about how BTC-e was probably the same crew
ThickAsThieves: doing the ddos
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i just added everything that came to mind there to see what people say
ThickAsThieves: way more likely than nvc-haters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: all this probing, surely theyd have explored some holes
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are identifyng all weaknesses in btc world
ThickAsThieves: to manipulate things
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think it's just doing the ddos part.
jborkl: Asicminer quick back of the napkin - 4400 approx blocks per month * 25.2 = 110880 BTC month / percentage of network asicminer has 15.3% = 16964 BTC
ThickAsThieves: pass the foil hat plz
mircea_popescu: you will always make some assumptions when casing a joint.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19798 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: asicminer hasnt really been giving any detailed financials have they?
mircea_popescu: not rly no.
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00889 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00999 = 0.04 BTC [+]
error4733: .pool
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0058822 / 0.00591811 / 0.00599963 (2125 shares, 12.58 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00576462 / 0.006 (52089 shares, 300.27 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613678 / 0.0069 (2362489 shares, 14,498.08 BTC)
jurov: lol double paranoia: "look who retained access to the sites under attack"
jurov: but there was no major movement on mpex during the attack iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00074934 = 4.6084 BTC [-]
jurov: or dunno, maybe they attacked the server to stole all the pics from /dtng ?
ThickAsThieves: WTS dtng photo library
jurov: btw in roughly the same timeframe, sites of several czech banks got ddosed
jurov: ofc, they did not reveal parameters
ThickAsThieves: i blame the russians
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.8 = 8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov ya i just answered
mircea_popescu: jurov hm. got some newslinks or anything ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 362 @ 0.000707 = 0.2559 BTC [+]
jurov: http://www.zive.sk/hackeri-napadli-weby-ceskych-bank-problemy-maju-i-slovenske-doplnene/sc-4-a-307515/default.aspx
jurov: (should translate)
jurov: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sk&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sk&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zive.sk%2Fhackeri-napadli-weby-ceskych-bank-problemy-maju-i-slovenske-doplnene%2Fsc-4-a-307515%2Fdefault.aspx
mircea_popescu: Original article today at 12:10: Hackers attacked this morning website of Czech banks reported Novinky.cz server.
mircea_popescu: :D
Bowjob: We seem to have stabilized
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00075288 = 0.9035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00073207 = 0.7321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00073206 = 2.9648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.06560726 = 65.6073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0055 = 11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.08473237 = 84.7324 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitbet over 4k btc bet! yay.
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
Bowjob: Wow
Bowjob: HOly shit. ahhahahahah
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?!
mircea_popescu: don't tell me they;ve moved to july ?
Bowjob: theres the april one, then theres a july one
Bowjob: Lol
Bowjob: Avalon looks so good right now
pigeons: except for all the lying
pigeons: "we lie much less than bfl!"
deadweasel: lol pigeons
mircea_popescu: Bowjob josh-zerlan.com
kakobrekla: are you saying they are lying about lying
kakobrekla: so they really are lying more than bfl?
mircea_popescu: they're not telling the truth about telling the lie!
ThickAsThieves: more ddos with a bonus gift http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/15/4109568/cyber-blogger-brian-krebs-ddos-attack-police-raid
mircea_popescu: great to not live in the us.
tiberiusiv: where at the bitbet statements?
tiberiusiv: are*
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv bitbet.us search bfl
tiberiusiv: i mean the financial statements for the stock
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/bitbet-february-2013-statement
kakobrekla: i thought they were on josh-zerlan.com
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/bitbet-january-2013-statement
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/sbbet-its-happening
kakobrekla: oh nvm i misread.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://en.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1adogi/josh_zerlan_ftw/
tiberiusiv: and the prospectus please
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.06557816 = 49.1836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.0847004 = 84.7004 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
kakobrekla: hehe
Bowjob: someone needs to own up. who was mr 500 BTC
tiberiusiv: so bitbet is currently valued at 18100 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00588217 BTC [+]
Bowjob: MP, you should switch the math question around
Bowjob: 36 can be exploited
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00181 / 0.00181 / 0.00181 (200 shares, 0.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178945 / 0.00197 (104708 shares, 187.37 BTC)
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv something like that roughly speaking
tiberiusiv: 300 p/e ratio based on the first 2 months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.98 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 27 @ 1.999 = 53.973 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what did it make so far, like 12 ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 144 / 180
gribble: 0.8
mircea_popescu: a my bad, it's half that. like .4
tiberiusiv: housebets are bets the house is offering?
tiberiusiv: or participating in
Bowjob: bfl is down
Bowjob: the website
Bowjob: https://www.butterflylabs.com/
Bowjob: uh oh
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv with every new bet, the house will split .1 btc (or more) among yes/no
mircea_popescu: and link the submitter's address to the lower amt.
Bowjob: hey mp, if the lower amount loses, you lose the bet too?
tiberiusiv: mircea_popescu: isnt it structued like intrade?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob what do you mean ?
Bowjob: Their website seems down on my end
Bowjob: Though their forums work
Bowjob: ddos, maybe
Bowjob: http://butterflylabs.com/
Bowjob: does it work for anyone else?
tiberiusiv: mircea: so lets say i place a bet, what does the house do?
tiberiusiv: how does the house set the odds
Bowjob: the house doesn't set the odds. ..
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv the admin that aprpoves your bet also splits the .1 pot
mircea_popescu: like 0.07/0.03 or w/e
tiberiusiv: so is it possible the house can ever have a major loss
mircea_popescu: how ?
mircea_popescu: it can lose at most something like 0.09 per bet
tiberiusiv: is there anywhere i can read how this is structured?
mircea_popescu: well... the faq ?
jurov: https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/311591961268215809 oh they were ddosed too?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/#comment-92347
mircea_popescu: nice cloudfail.
mircea_popescu: also http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/132126780642.jpg
ThickAsThieves: flat ass
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 17 @ 0.00545 = 0.0927 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/9929535/Higgs-boson-scientists-confident-they-have-discovered-the-God-particle.html
mircea_popescu: basically the god particle looks like a mushroom on mushrooms.
ThickAsThieves: but what is the god particle made of?
ThickAsThieves: and who made it?
Bowjob: satoshi obv
ThickAsThieves: what does god particle pay in divs?
mircea_popescu: ahahah
ThickAsThieves: i come in here with questions and you guys just act mean
ThickAsThieves: :)
jurov: i was hoping for something useful... like micro black holes
jurov: or neutrinos exceeding speed of lights
mircea_popescu: micro black holes ain't happenin'.
mircea_popescu: aite, i[m out,. take care all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11952 @ 0.00074519 = 8.9065 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: funny, i bet brfl would ship before april
Chaang-Noi: and i had bey soo many times they would fail before, starting in 2011 :)
Bowjob: then if they will be shipping.. then why are bfl victims not betting ?
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: Bowjob by now out of monyz ?
ThickAsThieves: cuz bfl has all their money
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: :)
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: thats stupid.. u should not go balls deep
Chaang-Noi: balls deep is the only way i play.
mircea_popescu: but srsly : the dwindling of bets (especially hedging bets) is clear indication that BFL is about to go bust.
Chaang-Noi: but who ever trusted bfl lulz
mircea_popescu: ie, there is no more btc available to finance them.
Chaang-Noi: i think bfl will shit this month or next
Bowjob: id be pissed off if they increase the TH to 800
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi that's what the bet volumes would seem to indicate.
Bowjob: without my avalon
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: then ill be sad
Chaang-Noi: however i think it will take a while to get their 5000 ships out
mircea_popescu: no, not ship. shit.
mircea_popescu: as in, go meet the pirate.
Chaang-Noi: 5000 chips is only like 30th right? asicminer with 60 will still rape
Chaang-Noi: wow im 10% of the yes money on that bet, and i got in on the first day
Chaang-Noi: weight at 97k i like these odds :)
Chaang-Noi: however if the specs are 11% better im still going to lose even if they ship
Chaang-Noi: crazy
Bowjob: better yet they dont ship
Bowjob: lol
Chaang-Noi: oh well, its 5 btc
Chaang-Noi: either way
Bowjob: i dont get this bet
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: wtf
Bowjob: "Devices must be in scope of at least -10% of advertised performance in order to be accepted as valid"
Bowjob: its a trap
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: oh nvm, at least -10% so if they ship at their expected specs then its a win
Bowjob: mhm
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: i just sent a quarter on yes on that
mircea_popescu: ya they should get it within the widest imaginable industrial standards.
tiberiusiv: BFL probably did make an effort at actually producing something but had major cost overruns and bad management of supply chain
tiberiusiv: now they are hoping to get anything out just to get new orders in to obtain the $$ to fill old ones
tiberiusiv: like avalon did
tiberiusiv: pure ponzi schemes
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv you kinda had it.
mircea_popescu: most scams in btc play out the same way.
mircea_popescu: tom's basic thing is exactly there. bitcoinica failed the exact same way. everything in the drama timeline
mircea_popescu: is a story of people trying, failing and then going eh what the fuck, we can't admit we've been idiots.
mircea_popescu: so let's pretend a little longer.
tiberiusiv: 0 integrity
mircea_popescu: and then tehy have the cheek to even talk to my girl in the forum,
mircea_popescu: let alone make judgement calls and give opinions.
tiberiusiv: what girl
tiberiusiv: mpoe-pr?
mircea_popescu: yes.
tiberiusiv: i thought that was you
mircea_popescu: nah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6066 @ 0.00074519 = 4.5203 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i should get a pr girl, lulz
mircea_popescu: better get a business first.
Chaang-Noi: going afk, see ya gents later
tiberiusiv: i thought roger ver and memory dealers were suppose to be intelligent
Chaang-Noi: goats trolling consulting :)
tiberiusiv: how did they make deals to sell 800k+ of merchandise on a none existant store
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv how you mea ?
tiberiusiv: bitcoinstore.com
tiberiusiv: his site was running only in the last 2 weeks but he needs to sell 800k+ to keep the competitive pricing
tiberiusiv: problem with that concept is his customer base is so small, basically people who derive a bitcoin income
mircea_popescu: bitcoinstore is iirc online since 2012
mircea_popescu: neh /
mircea_popescu: how did you compute the 800k value ?
tiberiusiv: he has it listed on the site
tiberiusiv: that he has to reach 850k in sales by march 31st
tiberiusiv: or else he loses the pricing advantage
tiberiusiv: guy turned it into a charity asking the community to support the store lol
tiberiusiv: mircea: heres the problem with the bitcoinstore, if someone has to convert fiat into BTC to shop on the store, the slippage kills any pricing power over amazon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1804 @ 0.00074519 = 1.3443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10265 @ 0.00074586 = 7.6563 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: mircea: so really the store only benefits those that derive bitcoin incomes, which is a tiny % of people
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.47001, Best ask: 46.83966, Bid-ask spread: 0.36965, Last trade: 46.83966, 24 hour volume: 19691.27912928, 24 hour low: 46.40000, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.95610
Bowjob: dat spread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00074314 = 7.418 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv that is a point.
tiberiusiv: so what happens to the havelock funds that preordered basic/bfl?
Bowjob: ittl go down the drain
Bowjob: or they start pre ordering from avalon batch 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00074314 = 11.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10222 @ 0.00073669 = 7.5304 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv i have no idea.
Ukto: tiberiusiv: basic is gone. done
Ukto: only some funds have been returned, not all
Ukto: but as Bowjob said, they have lost alot of expected value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5948 @ 0.00072233 = 4.2964 BTC [-]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.41201, Best ask: 46.42000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00799, Last trade: 46.42000, 24 hour volume: 19533.70116065, 24 hour low: 46.40000, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.95153
Bowjob: umm... crash?
mircea_popescu: Namworld http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitchslapping-of-2013/
mircea_popescu: perhaps of interest to you.
tiberiusiv: people attack satoshi dice because it is successful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30515 @ 0.00072639 = 22.1658 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: that was a great article mircea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5797 @ 0.00072639 = 4.2109 BTC [+]
Namworld: Quite interesting, but I'm not sure about the part where they fear you vs hate like for SD.
Namworld: I thought it was mostly like SD, hate. Because of what you do, not having a slice of the pie, whatever. And trolls aplenty.
aethero: People attack satoshi dice because its basically kicking a baby.
Namworld: see: "Because of what you do"
Namworld: In SD's case, blockchain transactions
zerokwel: personally I like SD
zerokwel: dont people thing btc is going to have a LOT more tx than that come a few years time
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.849 = 1.698 BTC [+]
Namworld: It will...
zerokwel: and sd pays a shitload of fees as well
zerokwel: and if pools are going to start bullshit rules of not wanting to talk to others then miners need to move
midnightmagic: echo.. echo.. echo..
mircea_popescu: Namworld perhaps. i doubt it tho.
mircea_popescu: who ever heard of proponents of a system being upset cause it's actually useful for something.
mircea_popescu: zerokwel in fact sd paid a little over 50% of all fees ever paid.
mircea_popescu: but yah that's what i was explainingto luke and co back in feb : if they exclude sd txs that doesn't exclude sd from bitcoin, it excludes them from mining.
mircea_popescu: obviously the point was undestood even if they're too spineless to admit this, or else we wouldn't have seen the move to the rabble rousing populist forum bs.
midnightmagic: first, upset isn't the word for it; second, that's not why they're advocating against it.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic listen, post an article on the topic somewhere. i'll read it
mircea_popescu: and prolly comment on it.
mircea_popescu: irc is not too good a medium for this discussion, it'll just get fragmented into nonsense.
midnightmagic: that's very true.
Namworld: I just don't see you handling punishments or people showing fear... I'm not sure what that fear part is about.
midnightmagic: very well, i agree. i'll stop..
Namworld: handing*
zerokwel: so by using the above reasoning if we beleve that a pool blocking SD tx is a bad thing. then stoping that pool from working would be the same example
zerokwel: meh... total bs if u ask me
zerokwel: SD is not an issue
zerokwel: so for exaple if everyone blocked the pools ip that was not helping the network. same result :)
mircea_popescu: zerokwel moreover this is a serious problem for the future.
mircea_popescu: suppose china comes to avalon or asicminer and says you must not rely the tx of this charity
mircea_popescu: because its from tibet.
Namworld: technically it works by miners vote. Forks can be created. Users can as well follow forks according to what they want...
mircea_popescu: i won't be speaking for some charity in tibet because i don't give a shit. if people actually do this sort of crap then btc will be fucked on the longer term
Namworld: If they don't simply follow the longest chain...
zerokwel: good point MP
mircea_popescu: Namworld the problem here is that since we don't have multiple implementations, the behaviour of clients is centralised not by their will
mircea_popescu: but by predictable code accident
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5526 @ 0.00072639 = 4.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00072743 = 3.6008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21224 @ 0.00073381 = 15.5744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2935 @ 0.00072233 = 2.12 BTC [-]
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153604.0
Bowjob: good deal imo
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 916 @ 0.25321359 = 231.9436 BTC [+]
Namworld: Hopefully that issue will be solved.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40545 @ 0.00073381 = 29.7523 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bowjob wjhat ?! he's selling them for 1 ?!
Bowjob: only 1 coin is for sale at 1
Bowjob: so it goes up in price as they get sold ala bitbet
mircea_popescu: o like a giveaway yeah
Bowjob: So I got one for 1.05
mircea_popescu: kinda neat idea actually
mircea_popescu: molec / moleccc hey you here ?
moleccc: yep
Namworld: I'm taking 3 for the heck of it.
moleccc: ah, you guys found my thread ;)
moleccc: lol
moleccc: go ahead, still cheap ;)
mircea_popescu: cool idea hehe.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna weigh your bottom line down, i can get as many coins as i want for myself, but nice way to spread the love.
Bowjob: now this sucks, my wallet says 199
Bowjob: as opposed to 200
Bowjob: lol
moleccc: mircea_popescu, thanks
Namworld: Can I pay on monday? I'm expecting a payment then. I don't want to get all my bids on exchange shifted around.
mircea_popescu: Namworld take a loan :D
moleccc: Namworld, this is exactly what I was hoping for: people buying more than 1 ;)
Namworld: Not worth the trouble.
moleccc: Namworld, still a very good price
Namworld: what?
Bowjob: i take it molec will ship before BFL
mircea_popescu: ok so here's a story :
mircea_popescu: bflwebsite went down
mircea_popescu: coinabul was hosted in the same place
mircea_popescu: entire datacenter got blown. sound familiar ?
Namworld: yeah... you... or our switzerland node.
mircea_popescu: http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://trilema.com/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/
Bowjob: havelock never got ddosed so far
mircea_popescu: that's good.
Namworld: neither has bitfunder or btct.co or a lot of bitcoin businesses...
mircea_popescu: still, prolly time to start hardening.
moleccc: Namworld, you can pay on monday
Namworld: good
mircea_popescu: seriously tho, who is handling gift certs these days ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7224 @ 0.0055 = 39.732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3840 @ 0.00520001 = 19.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0052 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.005 = 19 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1860 @ 0.005 = 9.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 882 @ 0.21019932 = 185.3958 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: dice not looking too good?
Namworld: Looks fine to me
mircea_popescu: i was just about to say hm, the calls covering, are we in for a drop ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17628823 = 176.2882 BTC [-]
Namworld: I'm thinking the latest grow might be exaggerated... I still consider the ideal value per BTC to be around 16-18 USD/BTC (and raising). But I'm not sure if the current price is warranted.
Namworld: Someone might just be in need of the funds however.
mircea_popescu: the run-up was pretty much driven by everyone's wish on both sides of the divide to merge btc and some finance.
mircea_popescu: it may have failed on this attempt
mircea_popescu: it was a tough sell, the events of the 12th were the kiss of death.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00072946 = 1.4589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00072233 = 5.5468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00072214 = 3.2648 BTC [-]
moleccc: Namworld, I quoted wrong price. It's only 3.70
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15779 @ 0.005 = 78.895 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552024 / 0.006 (87093 shares, 480.77 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612245 / 0.0069 (2394243 shares, 14,658.65 BTC)
Anduck: mircea_popescu: what events?
Namworld: Well reddit's BTC acceptance seems to be failing too. I think many newcomers/investors/older bitcoiners were buying on the premise of more merchants accepting Bitcoins. But if the userbase only grows by speculators/accepting merchants, it's not really working out. We need people spending those BTC. And it's not going to happen merely because merchants now accept BTC. Merchants can accept
Namworld: western union, people will still mostly use Paypal when available. Taking the time to get Bitcoin is an extra step which is not required. Growth comes from people adopting Bitcoins out of the need to use them of for their property as money and actually getting implicated to actual do as much transactions they need to do in Bitcoins if available.
mircea_popescu: Anduck the fork
Anduck: ahh
Namworld: Okay, merchants now accept BTC, but what's the point without the spending userbase and just speculators buying up on the next big thing?
mircea_popescu: Namworld this is very true.
mircea_popescu: the entire "merchants accept btc" stuff is nonsense, and in general retail is pretty much irrelevanty
BitHub: not everyone is going to hold for over 5 years tho
mircea_popescu: i been sayin' this for months
Namworld: The genuine userbase is growing slower. And the Bitcoin software ain't ready either.
Bowjob: isnt this what freicoin is trying to fix
Anduck: well
Bowjob: with the demmurage fee
Namworld: The current price is very interesting to most holders...
Anduck: bitcoinstore got sold over 100k usd worth of stuff in pretty small time
BitHub: lots of peeps will cash out at 100
Bowjob: theres no point in cashing out if people will accept btc as payment
mircea_popescu: "Hello guys, I am a psychologist in training and I would like to offer my knowledge, insight and experience with understanding women."
mircea_popescu: lol that forum.
Namworld: I'm expecting a sharp correction to somewhere like the steady growth throughout 2012 would have us at.
BitHub: if 99% of people that have bitcoin said "okey we're all holding till it hits $1000" well then could be a prob
Bowjob: might as well just pay in btc, that way, you dont hurt the sell value
BitHub: but not everyone is gon do that
Bowjob: not $1000, 10000
Bowjob: heh
Namworld: bitcoinstore was a good way to cash out BTC usefully. Probably done by the existing userbase who now had an opportunity at last to put their coins to good use. What's the point now that they're filled up on electronics they need if there's not more users to keep buying?
Namworld: Reddit had massive BTC sales initially. Then it lowered and lowered to peanuts.
mircea_popescu: for some values of "massive" under 100 btc or so.
mircea_popescu: that ain't massive nam.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17626382 = 176.2638 BTC [-]
Namworld: In proportion to their sales
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.50000, Best ask: 46.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 46.61000, 24 hour volume: 19651.52807249, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.91393
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7518 @ 0.00072214 = 5.429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5385 @ 0.00071976 = 3.8759 BTC [-]
Namworld: Something close to 10% of sales. A good amount considering it's BTC and the low usage among the general population.
Namworld: Either way, I don't believe there's enough of a genuine userbase growth to sustain those prices.
Namworld: and too many fucks up to come ahead to get major capital invested in the near future.
Bowjob: https://www.bitcoinstore.com/
Bowjob: 17%
Bowjob: not as bad as you think, but pretty bad
Anduck: i'd say it's decent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87 @ 0.00073381 = 0.0638 BTC [+]
Anduck: ive not even seen bitcoinstore ads anywhere
Anduck: still theyve sold pretty much
Bowjob: id actually use it.. but then again
Bowjob: i already have a beast of a computer
midnightmagic: +1 for multiple implementations. It is in fact something that Satoshi hoped would happen much earlier than where we are in bitcoin adoption.
Namworld: Yeah, but at the price of electronics, 1 user could easily fit 1k USD on average. That's like 100 - 500 buyers total.
Namworld: Talk about a customer base...
midnightmagic: Namworld: Is it possible to withdraw BTC *from* reddit?
midnightmagic: like convert back from gold or whatever it is you can buy on reddit
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic wwithout having talked to the man, it is my impression he basically wrote a spec and then hacked together a mcguyver implementation he didn't think much of
Namworld: Reddit thing is about premium subscriptions sales. I don't know of many premium subscription service which allows to cash out said subscription...
mircea_popescu: in terms of, fuck it, it's not supposed to work long term, it's stupposed to show how this could work
midnightmagic: I thought so at first. But then it's been my experience since then that each strange decision ended up having long-reaching, and resilience-related consequences for the distant future.
Namworld: and here it is with a market cap over 500 million USD...
Bowjob: imo that market cap number is bullshit
midnightmagic: It was supposed to just be a reference implementation, never The Real one. Even Gavin has made many and numerous noises about how much better off bitcoin would be with multiple implementations.
Bowjob: you cant find someone willing to pay 500m for 10.8m BTCs
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's impossible to move the actual implementation as it is into shape by incremental improvements ftr.
Bowjob: instead as you sell BTC, it becomes cheaper
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17623687 = 176.2369 BTC [-]
Namworld: that's not really the point but yeah.
Namworld: Anyway, almost 4 am... I think I'll be heading off.
Bowjob: MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17623687 = 176.2369 BTC
Bowjob: what does this mean?
midnightmagic: I think a strong, with-the-devs-onboard alternate implementation to create client heterogeny would probably be a welcome relief for most of them.
mircea_popescu: heh calls are covering. either they're right and a top is in
mircea_popescu: or else they're wrong.
Bowjob: If BTC reaches 39 dollars, this dude gets money?
midnightmagic: And by "with the devs onboard" I just mean cooperation and expertise transfer.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob nah it was sold. he had bought it earlier for w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00073492 = 11.9425 BTC [+]
Bowjob: oh
Bowjob: just taking profits then
Namworld: No, it might have been bought earlier for cheaper. It's a C for call, so yeah, taking profits.
mircea_popescu: prolly made some profit
Anduck: hmma
midnightmagic: It's pretty stressful for them, the abuse. It's actually the reason why Satoshi left. Did you know that?
Anduck: asicminer@0.84
Anduck: sick price imo
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes.
Namworld: yeah
mircea_popescu: the solution is quite simple : don't get politically involved. stick to writing code.
Bowjob: I thought Satoshi had "better things to do"
Namworld: Night all.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob that's what it's called
mircea_popescu: night Namworld
midnightmagic: Bowjob: No. He didn't want to be involved in all the conflict. People kept coming in and insisting the code was shit. Except people like Hal Finney.. but they were so rare that they were drowned out in the noise. And then people were suggesting too early that wikileaks start using it and and and.. :)
tiberiusiv: bowjob: market caps tend to be BS in the real world, they are based off of the last sale irrelevant of volume
tiberiusiv: bowjob: market caps should be used to determine value, its better then price
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv that's why i regularly use the 30day price figures for mkt cap, and the 24 hour averages for btc prices on option pricing and so forth.
mircea_popescu: hoping people get used to the approach
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.50001, Best ask: 46.64899, Bid-ask spread: 0.14898, Last trade: 46.50001, 24 hour volume: 19605.08858072, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.91298
Bowjob: yawn, we've been declining today
Bowjob: the volume sucks though
tiberiusiv: declines on low volume are positive
mircea_popescu: you know in spite of the spikes avg volume is like 20-30k
tiberiusiv: which is very low compared to the 10.8 mil coins
mircea_popescu: nah.
Bowjob: we're actually less thatn 10.8m
Bowjob: a lot of coins were lost
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is mostly used as a store of value anyway
Bowjob: i feel that fuckup on the twelth kinda killed the rally
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17620987 = 176.2099 BTC [-]
Bowjob: lots of profits
Bowjob: mhm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 230 @ 0.25305341 = 58.2023 BTC [-]
FabianB: $vwap S.DICE
mpexbot: FabianB: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'54', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'600000', u'vsa': u'48077439398', u'vsh': u'87093', u'avg': u'552024.151172'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'538', u'min': u'300001', u'max': u'690000', u'vsa': u'1465865095496', u'vsh': u'2394243', u'avg': u'612245.74761'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'9', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'588220', u'vsa': u'18917716557', u'vsh': u'36479', u'avg': (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552024 / 0.006 (87093 shares, 480.77 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612245 / 0.0069 (2394243 shares, 14,658.65 BTC)
mircea_popescu: way cleanner imo. mpexbot more adequate for programming i'd guess
FabianB: yeah, if it wouldn't at the end say "(1 more message)" ;)
mircea_popescu: does it do that in pm too ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2807 @ 0.00073493 = 2.0629 BTC [+]
FabianB: didn't get pm, but i'm umode +R
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15513 @ 0.00073492 = 11.4008 BTC [-]
FabianB: let me turn that off for a moment
mircea_popescu: bah it does
FabianB: $vwap s.dice
mpexbot: FabianB: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'54', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'600000', u'vsa': u'48077439398', u'vsh': u'87093', u'avg': u'552024.151172'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'538', u'min': u'300001', u'max': u'690000', u'vsa': u'1465865095496', u'vsh': u'2394243', u'avg': u'612245.74761'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'9', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'588220', u'vsa': u'18917716557', u'vsh': u'36479', u'avg': (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: smickles, could $vwap be cleaned up a little so that the 1 more msg thing is not printed ? perhaps take out all the u too
mircea_popescu: and all the spaces, no need
FabianB: yeah, i guess it's just a few characters needed for the 1d avg
Guest7560: Anybody can explain the mpex oix in laymens terms?
Guest7560: (I've read the blog article - still confused)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071977 = 7.1977 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3365 @ 0.00071976 = 2.422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00071873 = 2.3718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00071641 = 4.2161 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10499 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Guest7560 basically it's a sentiment indicator
mircea_popescu: it sums up what the option traders think the price will be next week
Bowjob: so the traders think BTC will go down to 39.31
Guest7560: mircea_popescu: Thanks! So 39.31 (57.59 / 37.62) means sentiment is that it's going down
Guest7560: What do the 2nd and 3rd values mean?
mircea_popescu: on average, they expect 39.31 next week. the call side expects 57.59, the put side 37.32
Guest7560: That's pretty broad...
mircea_popescu: it allows for easy separation between bulls and bears by taking advantage of the the nature of options
Bowjob: so some expect 57 by next week
mircea_popescu: bow yes.
mircea_popescu: also consider 2nd line : 4`851.15 (8.5 / 91.5)
mircea_popescu: of the ~5k btc on the line, only 8.5% belongs to the people expecting 57.59
mircea_popescu: so they aren;t really putting their btc where their mouth is very much
Guest7560: Aha!
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty sophisticated measure, if you think about it
Guest7560: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks!
mircea_popescu: however, i wouldn't fall in love with it. we don't know yet if it makes any sense or just is a pretty number
Guest7560: I think I've read on reddit somewhere that it never failed in the past..?
rikur_: I just missed something interesting.
mircea_popescu: it predicted some events in the past and failed to rpedict others
Bowjob: you put on feb 28th
mircea_popescu: there's a graph in the article on trilema showing it against the actual price
Guest7560: That's the one I think yes
Bowjob: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/oix-retrospective.png
Bowjob: That means the OIX is pretty accurate
Guest7560: So while mpex site was down the last couple days (ddos I think), I heard that trading was still going in irc
Bowjob: I don't understand that huge red sword
Bowjob: in the middle. wtf is that
Bowjob: did people suddenly expect BTC to raise to the moon?
Bowjob: wat
Guest7560: Is there a way to get the oix when mpex.co website is down?
mircea_popescu: Bowjob you can buy a very expensive call and make the sentiment spike on low volume, i think is what happened.
mircea_popescu: Guest43913 yes. looky :
Bowjob: ah
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 37.62123733 / 39.31406066 / 57.58756229 (28662 shares, 4,851.15 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Bowjob for instance consider O.BTCUSD.C750T. it costs like .05 btc. if you buy it, you imply price goes to like 76+
mircea_popescu: if that's the only thing that's bought... spike.
Bowjob: yeah i see it
Guest7560: Ah cool!
mircea_popescu: option trade volume varies A LOT. two weeks ago was 20k
mircea_popescu: now it's 4k etc.
Guest7560: Thanks, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: there's periods with 0 trade. so...
mircea_popescu: Guest7560 np
Bowjob: what are the green lines for?
mircea_popescu: Guest7560 http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/
mircea_popescu: you can get more details about the bots etc there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13111 @ 0.00071641 = 9.3929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20307 @ 0.00071488 = 14.5171 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bowjob you mean on the right sidhe ?
Bowjob: yeap
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: volume
Bowjob: ok, thx
rikur_: Bowjob: that's a very distracting nickname
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.849 = 4.245 BTC [+]
Bowjob: you are not the first.
Guest7560: So anyone has an idea why the majority of traders thinks btc will go down to 39?
mircea_popescu: rikur_ http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/14686.html there, allow me to be helpful
Bowjob: march 12 fuckup?
mircea_popescu: Guest7560 just the revert to mean theory may be enough. it went up fast.
Bowjob: though I'm waiting for march 22 and the days after that..
Guest7560: What's happening on the 22?
Bowjob: coinlab opens
rikur_: mircea_popescu: thanks!
Bowjob: america and canada wont be able to trade on mt gox anymore
Guest7560: Bowjob: I think the fork thing is over now and everybody relaxed, no?
Bowjob: yes, but it scared a bunch of people..
Guest7560: I know, but that's over now, so I wouldn't expect a drop so many days after its over and fixed
Guest7560: Tell me about that coinlab/mtgox US/CA story
mircea_popescu: it's not really fixed. just strung together for now.
mircea_popescu: the fixing will take a lot of time.
Bowjob: basically wall st. , im speculating will play with bitcoins
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/transition
Bowjob: Taxes won't be optional anymore if you trade with coinlab
Guest7560: mircea_popescu: You mean until nobody uses the 0.8 version anymore that has the bug that caused the block to be rejected?
mircea_popescu: Guest7560 it's .7 and prev that have an issue. not exactly a bug. just a complex db issue.
rikur_: Bowjob: taxes?
Bowjob: Yeap
Guest7560: Alright, sorry for mixing this up
Bowjob: Up until now, if you have half a braincell, you can choose to pay taxes or not
Bowjob: uncle sam wont know
Bowjob: but CoinLab will report it to the irs
rikur_: nice.
Bowjob: if you make 500 dollars or more
Bowjob: basically, they are "legitimizing" bitcoin
Bowjob: have you seen their buy 1m and sell 1m worth of bitcoin button?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: bowjob: taxes were never optional even at mtgox
Bowjob: oh. but they dont hand in the info to irs dont they
tiberiusiv: bowjob: they may not but when you withdraw funds the recieving bank does
rikur_: Wait. If I have BTC in mt.gox, will it be sold to coinlab? or moved under their jurisdiction? I'm currently in Canada.
tiberiusiv: coinlab
Bowjob: mhm, actually you're right
Bowjob: mhm
tiberiusiv: the benefit to canada is you could say your proceeds came from online gambling
tiberiusiv: as a casual gambler
tiberiusiv: thats not taxable in canada
rikur_: coinlab has a very unfortunate logo with the "bubbles" :)
Guest7560: Coinlab statement is still pretty vague...
Bowjob: what i dont like about coinlab
Bowjob: is they are offering a "storage" solution
Bowjob: and they will charge money to hold BTC
Bowjob: .. i mean, wtf?
tiberiusiv: how is that any different then mtgox
tiberiusiv: mtgox stored your coins
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153556.msg1630348#msg1630348 lol
Bowjob: you're missing the point
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/storage
rikur_: How would you be taxed for mined coins?
tiberiusiv: you wouldnt rikur
Bowjob: cashout price - electricity - mining rig price
Bowjob: = income
Bowjob: and then they tax your income
tiberiusiv: until you started filling up a bank account
Bowjob: you dont have to if you just keep the coins
Bowjob: thats the thing. if you use the coins anonymously, its just like income
Bowjob: and taxes, will be optional
Bowjob: it could get sticky when the gov recognize bitcoin as money
Bowjob: what you can do, is wait till your bitcoin stash become so valuable, that you can buy a member of the congress with it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
mircea_popescu: ahahaha THIS is even money ?
mircea_popescu: lord have mercy.
Bowjob: I thought I brought it up earlier lol
mircea_popescu: had i ?
mircea_popescu: must've forgot
Bowjob: yes you did
Bowjob: "[16:04] <Bowjob> http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/ [16:04] <Bowjob> Wow [16:04] <Bowjob> HOly shit. ahhahahahah [16:04] <mircea_popescu> lol wut ?! [16:04] <mircea_popescu> don't tell me they;ve moved to july ?"
mircea_popescu: a yes you have!
Bowjob: chang put a quarter in on yes
mircea_popescu: a quarter btc = 10 bux
mircea_popescu: so wait. luke went to visit bfl, where he was in fact presented with a box of fans ?
Bowjob: yeap
tiberiusiv: sdice has almost no bids?
Bowjob: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/100-day-2-slight-delay.html
Bowjob: "slight delay"
mircea_popescu: heh.
Bowjob: it scares me though, if they actually deliver there goes my profits
mircea_popescu: i guess he better start looking for crow stew recipes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1354 @ 0.00071102 = 0.9627 BTC [-]
Bowjob: though..
Bowjob: they might not ship
Bowjob: Bitbet suggests that BFL victims are low on morale
tiberiusiv: mircea: are the bbet asks your tranches
Bowjob: they should be betting on Yes to make up on their lost profits
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv the 10k bits are mine/kako's alternatively, as per the contract
tiberiusiv: 18s yours as well?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.21053791 = 210.5379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17621836 = 176.2184 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: 0.00181000 300
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv 18s ? a, no
mircea_popescu: you can work it out, they're supposed to increase in price at a fixed rate
mircea_popescu: see if the price works out with that
tiberiusiv: hows this month looking for profits?
mircea_popescu: as per the guidance in feb statement, "Since the BFL bet closed in March the dividend guidance is high for next month - just that bet alone would push profit up 300%."
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 13 @ 0.00535 = 0.0696 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: is sdice working?
tiberiusiv: the bet page isnt showing up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.0007078 = 15.1469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070473 = 8.2453 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe attacked again ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 83 @ 0.0054 = 0.4482 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]
Ukto: works for me
Ukto: actually
Ukto: looks like teh db
Ukto: is coming and going
rikur_: Wow, does bitcoin already have 3x the market cap of e-gold at it's peak?
mircea_popescu: rikur_ yes.
rikur_: never thought of that.
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131065.880
mircea_popescu: implied btc market cap is larger than the gnp of Dominica ; Tonga ; Micronesia, Federated States of ; Anguilla ; Cook Islands ; São Tomé and Príncipe ; Palau ; Marshall Islands ; Kiribati ; Nauru ; Montserrat ; Tuvalu
Bowjob: I have a feeling this dude will be correct for once
mircea_popescu: that's like12.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.849 = 6.792 BTC [+]
Anduck: so..
Anduck: hanging man
Anduck: doesnt it mean extremely bullish?
Anduck: if i remember correct...
mircea_popescu: hanging man is the end of uptrend
Anduck: ahh
rikur_: if you believe in technical analysis..
Anduck: well
Bowjob: well, lucif has been consistently wrong in the past..
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: "tting ready to change. The reliability of this signal is drastically improved when the price of the asset decreases the day after the signal. Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hangingman.asp#ixzz2Nh2Xhc2X"
Bowjob: well we were at 47 yesterday
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.65099, Best ask: 46.65100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 46.65100, 24 hour volume: 19628.80463838, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.89741
Bowjob: perhaps it is a hanging man!
midnightmagic: .. how droll. You quoted me. Got to you, did I?
midnightmagic: "quoted"
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Not that you care about much outside your own head, but I did not, nor would I, grant you permission to publically public anything I say in a channel which is not clearly demarked as a "Publically-logged channel."
midnightmagic: s/public /publish /
midnightmagic: I will note that neither the channel topic, nor the page that the topic's sole contents (a URL) point to, state anything about public logging.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]
Bowjob: dice is down from here
ZedsterX: dice is up here....took about 2 minutes to get bet addresses up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11380 @ 0.00070489 = 8.0216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9270 @ 0.00071093 = 6.5903 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this is a logged channel. you weren't aware ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6811 @ 0.00070473 = 4.7999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00070369 = 2.7444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9029 @ 0.00070102 = 6.3295 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: It is not stated so in the topic, nor in the bitcoin-assets.com page it links to, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. it's a trade chan.
mircea_popescu: it's purpose is mostly to be quotable.
midnightmagic: That is not by Freenode guidelines.
mircea_popescu: ya well. now you know.
midnightmagic: You are not the channel owner.
midnightmagic: And thus are not in a position to make such determinations regardless.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: make a determination as to what dood ?
midnightmagic: Channel nature and type.
mircea_popescu: you highlighted me with whatever q, i gave you an answer, you don't like mine highlight whoever else next time eh ?!
midnightmagic: This is a primary namespace channel and thus technically falls under the Bitcoin FOSS project ownership.
mircea_popescu: o get the fuck out already.
midnightmagic: I'm making a comment shortly on your blog you may be interested in.
mircea_popescu: "i have a whine please pay attention to me rarara"
mircea_popescu: it's uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: by all means.
midnightmagic: Are you still in Romania?
mircea_popescu: yeh.
midnightmagic: Good. Then I remember correctly.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, to the more general point : you're powerless. get used to liking it, cause it ain't changing.
mircea_popescu: the impersonal you i mean. the little vessenes group, bfl, mtgox, what have you in there.
midnightmagic: You are quoting me out of context and thus impugning my moral rights under the copyright acts of both our countries.
mircea_popescu: so feel free to either sue or fix the context.
midnightmagic: No, as per Romanian copyright law I am requesting you remove quotes of mine from your website.
mircea_popescu: mkay.
midnightmagic: Your site isn't letting me post. How do I convince it I'm a human? I'll flesh out the articles specifically to which I'm referring.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic if you instapost it'll block you.
mircea_popescu: cause that's what spambots usually do, load page make post
midnightmagic: Hrm. I took about 30 minutes to write my comment..?
midnightmagic: Maybe it doesn't like Tor.
mircea_popescu: ppl on tor post all the time
midnightmagic: Hrm. 3:09 a.m... no, that's correct too.
mircea_popescu: it's possible if unlikely your page was marked as stale by the time you clicked ?
midnightmagic: Possible. I'll try again.
ZedsterX: geez i am almost gonna give MP some money just so I can see this quote
mircea_popescu: ZedsterX try tor.
ZedsterX: for what?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.00181 = 0.543 BTC [+]
ZedsterX: i meant i was almost willing to pay your blog price
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Yep, it didn't like Tor.
midnightmagic: ZedsterX: It's nothing special at all. It's what he said about it.
ZedsterX: hehe just kidding i would never pay to read someones blog not an issue :)
midnightmagic: I thought it was a joke at first but it appears he has also mistaken me for a DJ in Wisconsin.
midnightmagic: ZedsterX: :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.849 = 2.547 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.849999 = 8.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.85 = 7.65 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: What's the big deal man? I asked you nicely, you said no, I quote you the law of your own country you are breaking by deliberately quoting me out of context and making unfunny, uncritical, non-commentary aspersions on my character, and this is your response? srsly?
midnightmagic: It's like.. six lines bro.
mircea_popescu: you're obviously missing the context that Trilema has been standing against attempts at internet censorship for half a decade.
mircea_popescu: the odds of an article being altered are nil.
midnightmagic: You have always been a proponent of legal correctness.
mircea_popescu: you honestly imagine you can absue the legal process to impose censorship on blogs ?
mircea_popescu: others have tried, and have failed so far, but by all means, if you must.
midnightmagic: lol, no, I'm pointing out a legal liability, and requesting that you not quote me, in direct contravention of the policy of the network you enjoy and make money with, for free.
midnightmagic: (namely, Freenode)
mircea_popescu: last i checked you have a free cloak and i have a silver one. let's keep them aspersions at bay.
midnightmagic: You can bury your head in the sand and pretend the law doesn't apply to you and pretend what I'm doing is censorship, and pretend there is no other way, but there is.
mircea_popescu: indeed there is. get used to the fact that this channel is a public forum, serving the needs of bitcoin trade
midnightmagic: This isn't a public forum, it is not listed as such. You saying it is so, does not make it so. This is primary namespace #bitcoin*, which means it certainly isn't for you to decide what happens here, nor what policy is.
mircea_popescu: the needs of the bitcoin circlejerk are served elsewhere.
midnightmagic: This particular channel is not, actually a public forum, no matter how many times you think your word is somehow above law.
mircea_popescu: listen, i'm not arguing with you. i'm telling you. you don't like what i'm telling you, go argue with somebody else.
midnightmagic: lol
midnightmagic: Lawless..
midnightmagic: Discourteous, uncivil, lawless.
mircea_popescu: merely disinterested in nonsense.
midnightmagic: Is this your true nature after all?
midnightmagic: Are you so mercenary? So sociopathic that you would deny a simple request for the same courtesy I have often showed you without considering the alternatives?
midnightmagic: Do you have any idea how many times I've turned down requests for complete logs of your conversations?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 971 @ 0.00070102 = 0.6807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00069148 = 10.1883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00069002 = 6.9002 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: If you're cool with throwing all the courtesy we've shown each other over the last many months away just because of a few-day spat that stings your ego..
FabianB: midnightmagic: why not put it in context in the comment section? i don't think it gets censored either
midnightmagic: FabianB: Because that would imply I am fine with it staying up; additionally, if *I* publish it on *his* site then I lose the right to request that it come down.
midnightmagic: Or at least.. my request is weakened.
mircea_popescu: you have some very interesting legal theories going there.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since it's on the third mention by now, when did i ask you to delete shit you published ? or what ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It's not legal theory, it's simple human nature at this point. I'm not interested in answering the question, "Why if you wanted it taken down did you repost it right underneath?"
mircea_popescu: this "taking down" thing boggles me.
mircea_popescu: where's this come from !?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You didn't. I don't publish shit. People ask me for logs of your comments and I think.. "Well people are trying to dig up shit. Probably because they want to harm him. No thanks." And I tell them to fuck off.
mircea_popescu: very bad.
mircea_popescu: let them have whatever logs, what i say i say because it is, not because it isn't.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: No thanks.
mircea_popescu: da fuck, they can just grow a pair and ask me directly.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: That's the second reason why I tell them to fuck off.
Anduck: hmmm
Anduck: do you get free yubikey from mtgox?
mircea_popescu: all this mystique and mystery, i hadn't no idea people are like... secretively lurking my chats nao.
midnightmagic: Anduck: sometimes, and volume helps.
Anduck: i heard something like this but... do i need to be verified?
Anduck: ok
mircea_popescu: Anduck isn't a yubikei like 10 bux, and moreover don't they work on any site ?
Anduck: mtgox keys work only on mtgox
midnightmagic: no, and no
ZedsterX: Mt.gox yubikey only works for them
Anduck: mtgox charges 30 usd for yubikey
Anduck: meh
Anduck: i'll email dem
Anduck: or! i get verifired
Anduck: verified*
Anduck: but i dont want to :( atleast now
Anduck: maybe i'll use software 2fa
mircea_popescu: software 2fa ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00068804 = 2.8175 BTC [-]
Anduck: Google Authenticator
Anduck: like, a mobile phone app
Anduck: 2fa= 2-factor auth
mircea_popescu: a ga thing ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00070617 = 4.0958 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.009861 = 0.0394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00986 = 0.0394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00982 = 0.1964 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.33318 = 0.9995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72607_10152634902385487_365736104_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: once a banker... ever a banker.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00071093 = 5.9007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0007106 = 9.0957 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.85 = 7.65 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: I been watching lately, they sell a lot
Bowjob: more sell than buys
Bowjob: mhm
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.105 = 1.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.15445864 = 154.4586 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490T] 1000 @ 0.13342614 = 133.4261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 1000 @ 0.11500402 = 115.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C530T] 1000 @ 0.09894671 = 98.9467 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C550T] 1000 @ 0.08501814 = 85.0181 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.52002, Best ask: 46.77899, Bid-ask spread: 0.25897, Last trade: 46.52002, 24 hour volume: 18864.05282020, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.87026
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.0007106 = 5.7203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0007106 = 3.8372 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 0.85 = 27.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00070617 = 0.6744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00070309 = 16.5226 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11595 @ 0.000703 = 8.1513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070794 = 1.4159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3296 @ 0.00071093 = 2.3432 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/business/global/showdown-looms-over-cyprus-bailout-deal.html
mircea_popescu: so basically, the naive got their bank accounts raided.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070556 = 4.692 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00069804 = 13.5071 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: also in the news, krugman badly owned by reality. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100558455
Chaang-Noi: europe...
Chaang-Noi: im glad i moved to a place where the normal currency is gold and we export food.
mircea_popescu: sounds sound strategically.
Chaang-Noi: try to buy a car here with a credit card and they will look at you like you are a retard.... try to pay in gold, no problem
Chaang-Noi: i do wish i held some land, but right now it is over priced here
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
Chaang-Noi: asean is going to be growing while the west is falling/failing
Chaang-Noi: asicminer is slowly moving up with decent volume despite paying weekly dividends
Chaang-Noi: also is s.dice down to limited? i used to see many more s.dice transactions and now only a few :/
Chaang-Noi: block chain dot info used to show like 50% to 755 s dice transactions
Chaang-Noi: 75%
mircea_popescu: always was about half
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.769999 / 0.8115 / 0.85 (466 shares, 378.2 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.76347 / 0.973 (1434 shares, 1094.8 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.72349 / 1 (2550 shares, 1844.9 BTC)
Chaang-Noi: the other exchange is getting a bit more volume but a bit lower price
Chaang-Noi: if you go look now it is about 1 transaction in like 20
Chaang-Noi: for s dice, if that... it is odd
mircea_popescu: hm
Chaang-Noi: i have noticed this over the last 10 hours or so
Chaang-Noi: could just be an off day
mircea_popescu: i've never kept that close tabs
Chaang-Noi: i have not either,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2480 @ 0.00071093 = 1.7631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4520 @ 0.00071108 = 3.2141 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00069831 = 6.9133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00069831 = 10.4747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 15 @ 0.56117433 = 8.4176 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.889998 = 1.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.889999 = 8.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.939999 = 9.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.9487 = 9.487 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.9489 = 14.2335 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: go asicminer
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.9489 = 18.0291 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17299 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01984 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01985 = 0.1985 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/JsSmRenton/status/312912911079194624/photo/1
Chaang-Noi: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/2250235/brian-krebs-gets-swatted
Chaang-Noi: lol kakobrekla
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [-]
vampireb: where can you a buy card with a cc?
vampireb: i would totally would for bonus points
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00070255 = 16.7909 BTC [+]
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552063 / 0.006 (85443 shares, 471.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612241 / 0.0069 (2393043 shares, 14,651.21 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01101 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: gawd, reading chatlog here is such a chore when people get dramatic
ThickAsThieves: asicminer at .95 now? Nice.
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: back to .95, was at 1
kakobrekla: lets see the faces when it all goes crashing down
Chaang-Noi: but we are going well over 1. we will control about 50% of the network for at least 3 months
ThickAsThieves: but bfl is releasing next week right?
Chaang-Noi: they hope to have their test unit done by then yeah
Chaang-Noi: who knows how many months to get their 5000 chips out
Chaang-Noi: but even then, only 25 th if lucky
ThickAsThieves: 5000 was just the first batch
kakobrekla: theres 2 more players in the game
Chaang-Noi: yeah, maybe in 3 months someone else will be able to break asicminer from their 50% lock down...
Chaang-Noi: but that is a maybe
vampireb: BFL will probably will be releasing slowly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.945 BTC [+]
vampireb: I ordered I think in Sep
Chaang-Noi: bfl (assuming their stuff works) will not ship all at once
Chaang-Noi: 1 to 2 months for their 5000 chips, then they need to reload
ThickAsThieves: i'm pretty sure they claimed to be able to work much faster than that no?
Chaang-Noi: i dont think sept is in the first batch.
ThickAsThieves: not that their claims mean anything
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.9489 = 3.7956 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah 4 to 6 weeks from like 1 year ago ready to ship/..
ThickAsThieves: why are people paying .95 when AM is on BF for .8?
Chaang-Noi: 405 of the network for 3 months is .324 btc per share...
Chaang-Noi: 40%
Chaang-Noi: that is a good question, and i dont know
Chaang-Noi: but im the seller at .95 and will buy at the other exchange...
Chaang-Noi: i heart arb
ThickAsThieves: my guess is more outreach is needed by BF
Chaang-Noi: iv not been around but i thought bf was the biggest exchange now
ThickAsThieves: probably
ThickAsThieves: but BTCT volume on AM alone might be challenging that
Chaang-Noi: :)
Chaang-Noi: my shares mosty, it has been pretty good
Chaang-Noi: mine were the first 1000 and about 70% of all the others
Chaang-Noi: been buying otc at like 30% less of what i have been moving them for on that exchange
Chaang-Noi: im really shocked it worked so well for so long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0007079 = 14.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7407 @ 0.00071108 = 5.267 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.9489 = 10.4379 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 180 gone on bitfunder
MJR_: hi all
Chaang-Noi: if it is still there in a few mins ill buy the rest
Chaang-Noi: hi mjr
smickles: mircea_popescu: will do on the vwap cleanup
MJR_: what's asicminers returns like?
MJR_: !ticker
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
ThickAsThieves: mjr, these are the last 3 divs
ThickAsThieves: ฿0.02378654 ฿0.01917149 ฿0.02354460
ThickAsThieves: once dive add up to .1, divs get cut in half
ThickAsThieves: dive=div
ThickAsThieves: divs are weekly
MJR_: why do they cut in half?
ThickAsThieves: because AM isnbt paying their own shares til then
ThickAsThieves: and they own half
MJR_: cool
ThickAsThieves: someone should tell evoorhees SDICE needs a jolt
ThickAsThieves: bring back whalebot
kakobrekla: just go play less than 1
vampireb: ohh starcraft is out
smickles: < Bowjob> you dont have to if you just keep the coins << (it being taxes) it you do that enough to be noticed and audited you're fucked. they'll say you should've been treating bitcoin as barter all along, you'll have a few k of taxes owed and 10s of k in fines
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9675 @ 0.00071108 = 6.8797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5098 @ 0.00071108 = 3.6251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9502 @ 0.00071181 = 6.7636 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99 = 3.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2038 @ 0.00070255 = 1.4318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13783 @ 0.00070066 = 9.6572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23279 @ 0.00070015 = 16.2988 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.105 = 1.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.005198 = 0.7797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 560 @ 0.005199 = 2.9114 BTC [+]
MJR_: BitHub: hi
BitHub: Hello
MJR_: anyone seen namworld lately?
kakobrekla: ;;seen namworld
gribble: namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Namworld> Night all.
Anduck: wow
Anduck: asicminer @ 0.94
Anduck: :D
MJR_: on btctc it's .8 on bitfunder :)
Anduck: yep
Anduck: i sold mine a little too cheap i think
Anduck: well, i got nice profits so whatever =)
Anduck: im cool
MJR_: no one ever went broke taking profits :)
kakobrekla: thats just stupid thing to say.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 97 @ 0.0054 = 0.5238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00071181 = 22.6356 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00541 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.005404 = 0.5404 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 302 @ 0.00541 = 1.6338 BTC [+]
Evan_: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00070763 = 19.7429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00071181 = 0.2847 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5768719.44091 based on data since last change | 5650760.38918 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.88 = 1.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17642 @ 0.00070501 = 12.4378 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00070327 = 0.7912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26630 @ 0.00071181 = 18.9555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.00071738 = 6.5002 BTC [+]
MJR_: ;;goxlag
gribble: 0 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00070015 = 7.3166 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2597 = 0.5194 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00071738 = 12.3389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00070818 = 5.1697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00070675 = 15.2658 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.53001 = 1.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.530001 = 2.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.53000001 = 3.71 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.522 = 1.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.521 = 1.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5151 = 1.5453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.51501 = 1.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.515 = 10.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.513 = 2.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.512 = 4.096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.511 = 4.599 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5105 = 2.5525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.5102 = 3.0612 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5101 = 2.0404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 77 @ 0.51 = 39.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00070675 = 5.972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16555 @ 0.00070418 = 11.6577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2639 @ 0.00071738 = 1.8932 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00071767 = 6.6026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00071815 = 5.2504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 16 @ 0.105 = 1.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.105 = 3.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]
OgNasty: quiet in here today...
kakobrekla: indeed
OgNasty: [NastyFans.org] [NASTY MINING] 2 @ 0.33 BTC [+]
OgNasty: lol
kakobrekla: errybody silently waiting for the weekend dump
OgNasty: I'm prepping myself for green beer...
OgNasty: Still say assbot should list NastyFans trades... Sucks to be lumped in with the BS gigamining has going... Just sayin'
kakobrekla: yeah, this is -assets, not -fans kinda.
OgNasty: what's in a name?
kakobrekla: ass bot doesnt cover fan sites
OgNasty: so the inclusion of the word fan makes it not an asset in your mind?
kakobrekla: im not sure at this point.
OgNasty: "In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent value of ownership that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset)."
kakobrekla: i dont see what that has to do with nasty fans?
OgNasty: NastyFans seats are capable of being owned to produce value and ownership can be converted into cash.
OgNasty: It fits the definition of an asset.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00071201 = 3.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6681 @ 0.00071815 = 4.798 BTC [+]
OgNasty: Maybe I should donate one to you so you can see for yourself?
kakobrekla: nasty seats? dunno we are asset traders here and what not, not fans of anything in particular
FabianB: a company, a stock, an option, a future, an etf?
kakobrekla: fishfish|AFK !!
OgNasty: I don't think you're ignorant enough to be caught up on a naming convention. So I assume you have an alterior motive.
fishfish: yes kakobrekla
kakobrekla: no afk plox tyvm.
kakobrekla: OgNasty can you answer the FabianBs question-s
kakobrekla: ill be back in like 20 min or so
OgNasty: It is an asset.
FabianB: what kind of (in financial terms)
OgNasty: for legal reasons I'd rather let people figure that out on their own
OgNasty: Check this out...
OgNasty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0
OgNasty: 18% yield... etc...
FabianB: then you might have to figure that out first
OgNasty: I have everything figured out. ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.9 = 13.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42 @ 0.00532425 = 0.2236 BTC [+]
OgNasty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140769.0 <-- Why won't assbot list the 3rd most popular bitcoin asset? Story at 11. lol. "Uhh... I think dude that runs it can't grasp the name of the asset or something"
pigeons: i don't even look at a thread when i see the word nastyfans cause i ain't a fan and im sure there are others
OgNasty: pigeons: sounds like you are an excellent finacial guru. You should share that wisdom with Warren Buffet.
pigeons: anyway, have you offered to push data to assbot (assuming nastyfans is a relevant asset)
OgNasty: Yes, I have.
pigeons: i'm not claiming to be a financial guru. i'm stating a fact that calling something nastyfans is retarded
OgNasty: I think judging something on a name is retarded.
OgNasty: Wonder who's logic is more sound.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00070827 = 0.7083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3674 @ 0.00070826 = 2.6021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3626 @ 0.00070825 = 2.5681 BTC [-]
OgNasty: "The yield on that asset is over 18%? Wow. Too bad I don't like the name." - No serious investor ever
pigeons: well, i know for legal reasons you won't tell us what it is, but what would you say someone else might call it
pigeons: pre-paid mining?
OgNasty: I think most people would describe it as a company.
OgNasty: We have other revenue sources in development besides just mining.
pigeons: and really, you are suprised no one bothers to look?
OgNasty: lots of people look
OgNasty: we have hundreds of individual asset owners.
pigeons: fan club members
OgNasty: why the name hang up?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.9 = 9 BTC [+]
pigeons: not interested in joining a fan club for a miner
OgNasty: even if the fan club donates bitcoins to you?
pigeons: i looked at the forum links you posted, couldnt find anything bout the 18% (per annum?) or any details. i do not doubt these returns, just interested in taking your advice and looking at it
OgNasty: it's all public on the site and the thread.
OgNasty: you didn't see the stats
OgNasty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0
pigeons: the site is just a login page
OgNasty: lots of stats right there
pigeons: i looked through several of the 48 pages and still don't see
OgNasty: I'd say more stats and transparency than ANY OTHER asset.
OgNasty: Try page 1
OgNasty: the OP
pigeons: nope don't see anything
pigeons: more transparent than s.dice? where everyone sees all the money going in and out?
OgNasty: Every independent test I've seen done on s.dice shows that the amount of return they promise is a great deal from real returns.
OgNasty: whereas everything listed on my thread is factual.
OgNasty: but you can't see it, so I guess your ignorance is understandable.
OgNasty: reading OPs is hard for trolls.
pigeons: they promise 100% of returns and you get them
pigeons: independently verified, dooglus does a good job
OgNasty: go make a few bets then... haha
pigeons: we are talking about assets not gambling sites
OgNasty: exactly
pigeons: maybe i'm confused, that's waht the nasty fan club is
OgNasty: you are confused for sure. whether or not you are just trolling me is what I'm trying to decypher.
pigeons: please show me something indicating the return from s.dice profits is any less
pigeons: how did they cheat that? someone bet to a secret address?
OgNasty: go make 100 bets on the 97% address and see what your return is for yourself.
OgNasty: I'm not an independent auditor and I don't even care about S.DICE. I do my gambling at a casino, it's a social thing.
OgNasty: S.DICE is profitting off the ignorance of the socially inept.
OgNasty: Which I'm fine with, but can't figure out why I should care.
pigeons: i'm not talking about return on bets
OgNasty: whatcu talkin' bout willis?
pigeons: you said your asset was more transparent
OgNasty: Where is the page showing the P/E ratio of S.DICE shares, or the yield?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00071815 = 1.0413 BTC [+]
pigeons: it seems 100% of s.dice profits go to shareholders, and no one is disputing that
pigeons: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dHB2dVdiaEltUHAtTWlBcFhXQVBYeGc#gid=0
pigeons: except you
pigeons: not even eskimobob
OgNasty: manually entered google spreadsheet does not equal transparency.
OgNasty: Literally any numbers could be listed there...
pigeons: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1153334#msg1153334
pigeons: i'm not in the satoshi dice fan club, but you stated that your fan club is the most transparent asset out there, and here is one we can compare
pigeons: which pools do you mine on?
OgNasty: lots of manually entered numbers...
OgNasty: If I show you pretty numbers will you send me all your BTC?
OgNasty: lol
pigeons: i've checked the numbers myself, as have several in here
OgNasty: I mine on lots of pools...
pigeons: i've never heard anyone talk about your fan club, and i thought maybe i will check some of the numbers if the pools are exposing that information
OgNasty: well, with nastyfans everything is automated with numbers coming from 3rd parties. there is no need to check anything... the numbers come from where you'd check...
pigeons: cool, link?
OgNasty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0
OgNasty: 3rd time's the charm?
pigeons: i looked at that, just a bunch of manually entered numbers, and not hte ones im looking for
pigeons: ok i looked again, seriously there is no information there whatsover about your mining profits
OgNasty: those aren't manually entered numbers
OgNasty: those are images... updated in real time with stats from the operation.
OgNasty: the actual transactions and all that is on the nastyfans.org site.
OgNasty: available for members to see.
pigeons: well, best of luck to you sir
pigeons: thanks for the info
OgNasty: showing every donation and the path they all take... more info than any sane human would care to sift through, hence the automated stats.
OgNasty: Not only that, but by not pretending to be a bank and refusing to hold BTC, our exchange is far superior to the competition. Which is why I suspect people in here are threatened by it. ;)
pigeons: honestly, i don't think people feel threatened. i think it doesn't look interesting to anyone here
pigeons: https://nastyfans.org/about
OgNasty: When an asset that yields over 18% doesn't look interesting to you, something is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion though. Not all of us have decades of asset management under our belts I guess...
pigeons: how are we to know that your fan club yields over 18% a year. and yes i read your forum post
OgNasty: you could look at the donation distributions and do the math if you don't trust the numbers on the OP...
pigeons: you wondered why no one in here is interested, and i think i'm pretty accurate in the reasons
pigeons: that doesnt mean your asset isnt a good deal or accurate
OgNasty: your only reason is that you don't like the name...
OgNasty: every other statement you've made is inaccurate.
pigeons: i dont like the name enough to sign up for a site that looks exactly like all the scams out there
OgNasty: this isn't new... been operating almost a year...
pigeons: you can be upset people aren't giving your fan club a fair chance because of surface misconceptions, but that is happening
OgNasty: http://blockchain.info/address/1EwtTKJaXAtctSFqCQKU3LiCg9dqYPEkxN <-- feel free to check out the donation chains.
pigeons: yeah i saw you in the forum a year ago, and it wasnt interesting
OgNasty: people are giving it a fair chance...
pigeons: bah mining bonds
OgNasty: it isn't a mining bond... lol
pigeons: what is it
pigeons: i read your post it says its a fan club
OgNasty: a smart investor would know.
pigeons: that's what pirate folks said
pigeons: i cant tell you your not smart enough
OgNasty: not if you can't use "you're" correctly. haha
pigeons: ok im not smart enough to know how a fan club can pay me money
pigeons: i'm hoping to hearing bout it
OgNasty: simple concept.
OgNasty: you join fan club and own a seat
OgNasty: I mine coins and donate them to the fan club
OgNasty: fan club distributes the donated coins to members based on the number of seats
pigeons: thank you. not interested.
OgNasty: I'm not trying to get you interested. I just wanted to know what kind of bureaucracy was behind not listing nasty trades by assbot.
pigeons: basically its not interesting
OgNasty: I disagree.
OgNasty: it is more interesting than 90% of the stuff listed by assbot.
pigeons: do you have a channel you stream them to so people don't have to register for the fan club?
OgNasty: the trades? yes.
pigeons: cool, that's a start
OgNasty: https://nastyfans.org/buys.csv
OgNasty: people who choose to list their assets publicly are: https://nastyfans.org/list.csv
OgNasty: Again, all on the OP of my thread.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99 = 3.98 BTC [-]
OgNasty: Should I post that link a 4th time? lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99 = 3.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.999 = 19.99 BTC [+]
pigeons: no maybe you should re-write it though
OgNasty: smarter people than you or I are behind the writing and there are reasons for it.
OgNasty: these bitcoin assets are in fantasyland with their naming conventions...
OgNasty: I have enough experience with publicly traded assets to know that it's all BS and the exchanges will fold just like GLBSE when pressure gets put on them.
OgNasty: Don't act like my asset is "stupid" and "not interesting" because I'm prepared for the "when" while everyone else is thinking about the "if"
pigeons: its not interesting cause i thought its a mining bond. you tell me its not a mining bond but you wont tell me what it is. it has nothing to do with that you think legal issues go away ...cause fanclub
OgNasty: well, then wait and see what we have in store next and maybe it will be more interesting and you'll become a fan.
pigeons: alright. thanks for the information
OgNasty: If we were to be looked at as a mining bond, then an accurate claim might be that we're a mining bond which will increase from 1mh/s to 42mh/s over the coming 6 months. ;) So if difficulty jumps by 40x and BTC price falls, it would be a bad bond to buy (but it isn't a bond, it's an operation).
pigeons: yes i see mining operation would be more accurate than mining bond
OgNasty: With that being said, until the next time I grace this channel to again question the validity of not listing the 3rd most popular asset. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 914 @ 0.00071815 = 0.6564 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4736 @ 0.00071954 = 3.4077 BTC [+]
OgNasty: Hopefully next time our market value will be in the millions. ;) Happy St. Paddy's Day tomorrow. Stay safe.
pigeons: well kakobrekla, why aren't you listing it?
Anduck: what weere ognasty talking about
Anduck: ?
Anduck: what asset+
Anduck: ?
pigeons: ognasty would like his fan club trades to be streamed to this channel
Anduck: hmm?
Anduck: why not?
pigeons: i asked kako above
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9864 @ 0.00071954 = 7.0975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9246 @ 0.00071961 = 6.6535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00071809 = 5.2062 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: cause the lame-o-meter reads too high.
mircea_popescu: <OgNasty> I have enough experience with publicly traded assets to know that it's all BS and the exchanges will fold just like GLBSE when pressure gets put on them. <<
mircea_popescu: document that please ?
mircea_popescu: <Chaang-Noi> but that is a maybe << avalon is doing about as well, ain't it ?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> why are people paying .95 when AM is on BF for .8? << prolly cause bf won't stream ?
mircea_popescu: <OgNasty> I'd say more stats and transparency than ANY OTHER asset. << now you're just being an ass.
mircea_popescu: o, he conveniently left. heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 4 @ 0.23 = 0.92 BTC [+]
MJR_: lol
pigeons: who knew securites law allows you to circumvent by calling your operation a fan club
kakobrekla: for the record
kakobrekla: 20:45.49 ( kakobrekla ) also im not even thinking of listing someone who is not at least semi active in assets
mircea_popescu: actually reviewing my logs, this guy is on the record logging in under a fake name but with his own ip to "cast aspersions on my morality" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: weird character.
kakobrekla: which name?
mircea_popescu: 1 sec
kakobrekla: was it nefario?
kakobrekla: muahah.
smickles: lol
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/wD0S2g8x
mircea_popescu: bastone, as it turns out.
kakobrekla: ;;seen bastone
gribble: bastone was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Bastone> I'm not going to take the time to look it up.
kakobrekla: well im not going to take the time to look up nasty so FU
mircea_popescu: Sep 30 22:32:36 <mircea_popescu> this glbse thing you ask about is a blip.
mircea_popescu: jesus i rule, in retrospe4ct.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009989 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]
smickles: Sep 30 22:32:36 <mircea_popescu> this glbse thing you ask about is a blip.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i remember he had a god awful logo but upon suggestion fixed it. perhaps in time
kakobrekla: you call that fixed?
kakobrekla: want, you dont see green?
kakobrekla: wait*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00071961 = 6.6924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im colorblind.
kakobrekla: dollars dont interest mp.
kakobrekla: yeah it would be better gray only
kakobrekla: lucky.
mircea_popescu: aand deposits flushed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00071961 = 2.5906 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4911 @ 0.00071961 = 3.534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1889 @ 0.00072266 = 1.3651 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i missed this whole ognasty conversation, I must have him blocked from some other name too (and ive only been here a couple mos or so)
ThickAsThieves: i'm guessing that Bicknelski guy
ThickAsThieves: or however it was spelled
mircea_popescu: the drama is strong today it seems
ThickAsThieves: BG still beating BCTC on AM 24-hr volume ฿476 to ฿320
ThickAsThieves: BG=BF
mircea_popescu: lol this sounds like a bet.
ThickAsThieves: I'd rather see "Asicminer shares will reach ฿1.25 BTC"
ThickAsThieves: or such
ThickAsThieves: what's a good amount?
ThickAsThieves: at about .87 now
mircea_popescu: ill bet you they don't pass 1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00072266 = 12.5382 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: how much?
mircea_popescu: make a bet lol
ThickAsThieves: i submitted 1.35
ThickAsThieves: but thats more the community to ponder
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt bet that high
ThickAsThieves: i would bet on 1 though
ThickAsThieves: hell, someone could take it up to 1 today with 200btc
mircea_popescu: hm that;s a point
jurov: kakobrekla, speaking about BF, did you come to some conclusion with ukto about streaming trades?
kakobrekla: he asked for spec i have him spec
kakobrekla: gave*
kakobrekla: fuck ze kezyboard.
jurov: if that's nasty non-mining-bond is so good, why no passthroughs then?
jurov: it should have 5 each on bf and btct
ThickAsThieves: kako, is web sockets something you'll just end up implementing inevitably anyway?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.0019 = 9.5 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: for assbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00195 = 9.75 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00072266 = 1.8428 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: like is it a sensible progression
kakobrekla: well, the rate of posting would need to be high to justify it, but then again then its questionable if irc can handle that
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long it will be til that becomes a problem
kakobrekla: probably never
mircea_popescu: irc is a 1 second/line rule iirc
mircea_popescu: and they're not likely to change it. we would have to make our own irc server/equiv of freenode first
mircea_popescu: which is not undoable but certainly not called for yet
kakobrekla: you can do more in a row
ThickAsThieves: or just have a web page the streams
kakobrekla: but if you go over 1 a sec over prolonged period
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla still, that's what they recomend
kakobrekla: you have problem
kakobrekla: s
kakobrekla: also
kakobrekla: it will be impossible to chat
mircea_popescu: kak ya i imagine assbot will stop streaming and make hourly update summaries or somesuch
kakobrekla: theres -assets-trades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2210 @ 0.00197 = 4.3537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.001975 = 9.875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00198 = 9.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 740 @ 0.001985 = 1.4689 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 7050 @ 0.002014 = 14.1987 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also in the news, bbet beats asicminer
kakobrekla: those were ipo shares
kakobrekla: at least ending with.
mircea_popescu: o ipo got hit ? sweet.
kakobrekla: o wait no
kakobrekla: not sure at least
kakobrekla: someone made 10k blocks priced differently
kakobrekla: what a trick.
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: interesting concept
mircea_popescu: i wonder
mircea_popescu: hm, do you suppose he was like "o, they're buying their own shares" ?
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe just wanted to blend in for aesthetic reasons
kakobrekla: :DD
kakobrekla: a big wall would look scarier
kakobrekla: 1 satoshi diff makes it better
mircea_popescu: you know that may be right
mircea_popescu: we're gonna end up with a degree in field psychology from watching btc trading
kakobrekla: :DD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6124 @ 0.00072266 = 4.4256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13976 @ 0.00072268 = 10.1002 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i definitely use tricks in pricing
pigeons: i just decide what i'm willing to pay for each fan club and offer that
kakobrekla: rofl
jurov: it's field psychiatry in some cases
mircea_popescu: jurov :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153979.0
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.9 = 17.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.9 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
MJR_: lol what is up with the fan club thing?
kakobrekla: dunno, that whole thing seems nasty.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the thing is. i hate these sites that make you log in
MJR_: yeah
pigeons: if you were a smart investor, you'd know ;)
MJR_: hahaha
kakobrekla: pigeons stop cranking me up
kakobrekla: people will come knocking for comedy show
mircea_popescu: lol
pigeons: i'm here all week, tip your assbot
mircea_popescu: im not an investor at all, im just the devil of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how long till satoshi comes back from the heavens to banish the devil ? it could make nice paintings and all.
kakobrekla: lol
MJR_: could satoshi prove he was satoshi?
kakobrekla: the cryber christ.
kakobrekla: singing with the coins for first block should do it
mircea_popescu: the saint georgecoin
kakobrekla: from
mircea_popescu: or would it be coingeorge ?
mircea_popescu: hell... maybe boy george had it sorta right all along
MJR_: lol
MJR_: well that is unless he spent them all
MJR_: hmmm, wait he'd only need to sign a message from that address
kakobrekla: well yea
MJR_: not actually have any coins in it
mircea_popescu: if he still has the wallet.
kakobrekla: yeah just priv key from that addy
mircea_popescu: course it wasn't encrypted at the time
mircea_popescu: so a good argument could be made someone else found it
kakobrekla: iirc those coins are still there
kakobrekla: i dont give enough shit to check
MJR_: it's funny though, you see his chat logs pasted around like bible verses
kakobrekla: you do?
mircea_popescu: lol at "Guest476845654". it looks so inconspicuous
mircea_popescu: esp since freenode uses 5 digits
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.105 = 3.15 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: known ip?
pigeons: satoshi or guest? satoshi used tor
kakobrekla: guest :p
kakobrekla: smart satoshi.
mircea_popescu: ok, finally getting ready to move the mpex trade engine to its new home.
mircea_popescu: trading will be stopped in one hour.
mircea_popescu: trading should resume in about 10 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12698 @ 0.00072268 = 9.1766 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00072441 = 9.2724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1702 @ 0.00072563 = 1.235 BTC [+]
jurov: And Satoshi entered the Blockchain and drove out all who sold and bought in the Blockchain, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
jurov: lol there ya go pigeons.. even Matthew 21:12 mentions you
mircea_popescu: you're talented, can you also draw ?
jurov: yea cherry trucks and like
mircea_popescu: if you feel like it, make a little bitcoin bible. with miniatures and shit
mircea_popescu: that'd kill. perfect way to start a blog
mircea_popescu: The Buttcoin Bubble aka Bitcoin Bible
jurov: bubbly butt, yum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0007219 = 2.3101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00071809 = 5.3857 BTC [-]
MJR_: that would be funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00071883 = 9.4167 BTC [+]
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00515678 / 0.00588217 (35046 shares, 180.72 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552053 / 0.006 (85485 shares, 471.92 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612233 / 0.0069 (2391935 shares, 14,644.22 BTC)