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Bowjob: this is looking more like a 600 BTC heist
Bowjob: and 30,000 dice share heist
MJR_: yeah, they aren't doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves
MJR_: but they are using their time to do those stupid tasks
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i dunno what the use is tho
mircea_popescu: basically... more spam
MJR_: maybe. SEO
mircea_popescu: heh.
MJR_: Attract new customers
mircea_popescu: Bowjob sucks.
kakobrekla: Bowjob urlpls?
MJR_: mostly have your article reposted with a Forbes.com or CNN.com domain attached
MJR_: ok guys I am switching to my real name
kakobrekla: lol
Josh_Rossi: this is weird
Josh_Rossi: my first name is reall Maximo
kakobrekla: Bowjob link?
Bowjob: umm
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63614
Bowjob: Hasn't been online since the 4th
Bowjob: he was due for march 8th for his first payment
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness, isn't he working in like shipping ?
mircea_popescu: or oil or something ?
mircea_popescu: like, away for weeks ?
Bowjob: mhm, not sure
Bowjob: if he works in oil..
Bowjob: there should be some internet at least
mircea_popescu: depends.
pigeons: heh, not on the rigs
Bowjob: he works in alberta,.. yah its like 34 dollars per hour there
Bowjob: mcdonalds people make $14 per hour
Bowjob: but rent there is very exp
Bowjob: ill stay in vancouver lol
Bowjob: also, again he's late in his first payment thats defaulting right there
Josh_Rossi: good luck :)
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50"
Bowjob: Says on his profile
Josh_Rossi: yep
Bowjob: bad move imo
Bowjob: you do not short BTC
Bowjob: lol
Josh_Rossi: $6000 down or so?
mircea_popescu: le ouch
Bowjob: yah
Bowjob: oh and thats just principal
Josh_Rossi: he is up on his sdice though
Bowjob: theres interest too
Bowjob: dude his dice short isnt much to cover for it
Josh_Rossi: yeah
Josh_Rossi: just saying
FabianB_: if anyone is interested in an MPEx client that supports its IRC bots: https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex
FabianB_: still a little rough, but works for me
Bowjob: around march 22 we should see something interesting
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140472.msg1589556#msg1589556
mircea_popescu: seems cablepair was well known scammer ?! is this factual ?
Bowjob: thats where coinlab starts playing
mircea_popescu: Bowjob where he shiorted at ? 60 ?
Bowjob: 0.62
Josh_Rossi: do you calculate based on last or on bid?
mircea_popescu: o wow FabianB_ !
mircea_popescu: ppl please test his bot.
Josh_Rossi: cuz at one point it was at 35
mircea_popescu: well, if he closed at 35 then he's golden
Josh_Rossi: yes
FabianB_: didn't try it on non-unix systems yet, hope it works there too though
mircea_popescu: if not, he's up
mircea_popescu: like 3-4 btc
Josh_Rossi: !calc 40,000 * .0012
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 40,000 * .0012
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 40000 * .0012
gribble: 48.0
mircea_popescu: course mkt depth shows lowest ask at 58.8
Josh_Rossi: up 48 btc if its at .005
mircea_popescu: that'd be 3.2 not 12
Josh_Rossi: oh nice
Josh_Rossi: for me that is
mircea_popescu: and cause of slippage buying 40k takes avg price more to like 59.5
Josh_Rossi: ooh, when does he have to settle his position?
Bowjob: may 1st
Bowjob: i think
mircea_popescu: that may be painful.
mircea_popescu: with asicminer blowing over...
Bowjob: May 17 2013.
Bowjob: there
Bowjob: I weep for Basic victims
Bowjob: but I laugh at BFL victims.. I seem to be irrational
Bowjob: >_>
Bowjob: Stockholm syndrome is hilarious
Josh_Rossi: hehehe
Josh_Rossi: who lent him the shares to short?
Bowjob: it was tradefortress for 7k, and some random dude at 30k
kakobrekla: and TF runs a 'fund'
kakobrekla: prolly shares from there?
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.0
mircea_popescu: it does look sad.
Bowjob: i just skimmed thru it, asic miner, popped?
mircea_popescu: financials don't look too good
mircea_popescu: and they blew their ipo
Bowjob: oh i see
Bowjob: im watching max keiser.. show. he seems like a nutjob over btc
Bowjob: i mean i want btc to go as much as the next person, but he seems shady
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: he mentioned before, but now he met everwhores
kakobrekla: and he is hyped
mircea_popescu: ahahahaaaa
mircea_popescu: omfg that is totally it.
Bowjob: is he for real lol
kakobrekla: for srs
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151182.0
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: i dunno. max seems like a used car salesman
Bowjob: and a snake oil peddler
kakobrekla: hes fucked up on btc
Josh_Rossi: yes
Josh_Rossi: I said earlier that he sounds like he's on meth
smickles: bitcoin jesus? i'll just go back in my hole
Josh_Rossi: also, he loves btc, but I don't think he knows a lot about them
mircea_popescu: smickles how many geebuses have we had so far?
smickles: I really don't keep track
Bowjob: i tell my friends every now and then about bitcoin.. but i dont say i'll be rich over it
smickles: once, at a beer pong table, I was called jesus. I forgave them.
mircea_popescu: you do look kinda jesusy
smickles: 'specially with my hair down
mjr_: lol my whole office asks me every day
mjr_: so where are they at today?
kakobrekla: hehe
mjr_: a coworker wanted to short them
Bowjob: ouch
Bowjob: how much are asicminer shares now
mjr_: so at first he told me that we should just say that i would owe him a dollar for every dollar it goes down and he would owe me a dollar for every dollar it goes up
kakobrekla: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90177 / 1 (166 shares, 149.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mjr_: lol
Bowjob: 0.6 per share???
mjr_: I was too nice and told him I didn't want him writing naked calls
kakobrekla: 0.6 was the low
Bowjob: so almost 1 btc [er share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
Bowjob: isnt that kinda too high
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: 0.9 avg
mjr_: like I know my risk it's $45
mjr_: you could be on the hook for millions
mircea_popescu: mjr_ why not just use the mpex options i don't get it ?!
mjr_: he doesn't have any bitcoins
mjr_: and I already use the mpex options
mjr_: this month
mjr_: that was before it had hit 32 I think but I don't remember
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so if he doesn't have btc, why are we talking to huim lol
mjr_: OIX :)
mjr_: like I said he's my coworker
mircea_popescu: o you two work together ?
mjr_: yep
mircea_popescu: o nm nm
mircea_popescu: i was thinking we're still discussing bakewell
mircea_popescu: my bad
mjr_: nah all good
mjr_: ok so I registered
mjr_: now I want to set up the pgp signature
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=180days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
Namworld: the heck
mircea_popescu: Namworld Bowjob they had a db issue
Namworld: BTC was worth 45 USD all that time, just no one knew about it...
mircea_popescu: lost some data it seems
Namworld: I prefer my explanation
mircea_popescu: lolk
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017659/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017661/plain/
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ paste an address
mircea_popescu: this is getting painful to watch
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017669/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017670/plain/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: quite a nice recovery
Bowjob: on dice
mircea_popescu: i like how this channel jumped to like 130 users lately.
kakobrekla: moar spam
kakobrekla: well accually is not bad.
kakobrekla: seen it worse
benkay: what's in the !mp output - a dump of the current order book?
kakobrekla: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
benkay: "returns the response from MPEX order" - means that i can place orders via dpaste (given encryption etc)?
kakobrekla: ya
mircea_popescu: benkay exactly.
benkay: thank you.
mircea_popescu: if you want a dump of the book do
mircea_popescu: $mdepth
mircea_popescu: if you want a dump of the vwap do
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/F8TXg0DP
mircea_popescu: wtf, i got them mixed ?
mircea_popescu: $help
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mircea_popescu: $help mdepth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "mdepth".
mircea_popescu: hm
kakobrekla: its w/o m
mircea_popescu: o ty
mircea_popescu: $depth
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/k55tiUtd
mircea_popescu: and if you want details of individual symbols in easier format here, benkay
mircea_popescu: you do
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3738644 shares, 23,038.26 BTC)
mjr_: ;;gpg eregister JoshRossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
gribble: Request successful for user JoshRossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mjr_: nice
mjr_: so now I'm part of the web of trust?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mjr_
mircea_popescu: not for me :D
mjr_: lol
mjr_: I meant ability to be trusted not trusted yet
mircea_popescu: ;;ident joshrossi
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info joshrossi
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: npe.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info JoshRossi
gribble: No such user registered.
mjr_: ;;eauth JoshRossi
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
mjr_: ok...
mircea_popescu: you need to handle the opt first.
mircea_popescu: i guess
mircea_popescu: btw FabianB_ do you read chinese ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not really, just speak very little
mircea_popescu: a ok
Bowjob: so is ian bakewell a scam or not
mircea_popescu: Bowjob give it a week or two.
kakobrekla: ;;eightball ian
gribble: It is possible.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;cookie gribble
gribble: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: hehe
Bowjob: the bot
Bowjob: lol
jMyles: So - I'm not sure if I'm being too forward by asking this - is there a way to invest in asicminer?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: chinese traders asking you and the faq translater where mpex went?
jMyles: (and to see what kind of activity is happening?)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ no, just wanted to see about how sucky the chiense version is
mircea_popescu: jMyles you're never too forward by asking.
mircea_popescu: there's a btct passthrough and a bitfunder passthrough.
mircea_popescu: their contractual basis is maybe shaky, do your dd
mircea_popescu: to see activity,
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.69 / 0.90312 / 1 (165 shares, 149 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
jMyles: mircea_popescu: but it looks like the passthroughs have only paid two dividends?
mircea_popescu: ukto has yet STILL NOT ADDED BF
mircea_popescu: jMyles i really haven't been keeping tabs so i dunno
Ukto: me add what?
Ukto: to the bot?
mircea_popescu: your feed! yes!
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/MSEOcWe.png
Ukto: i have websocket
Bowjob: we've been oddly stable for a while now
Ukto: assbot doesnt support it
Bowjob: the bids look weak however
mircea_popescu: Bowjob looks like mpoe lol
Bowjob: lol
mircea_popescu: Ukto can't you just make a json somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: at least !ticker will work then
mjr_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2c057cc8dff074ee13a20df82b057767f81844e56105610c250b4618
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
Bowjob: this is calm before the storm. come monday theres gonna be a shitstorm
mircea_popescu: ya but prolly on the upside.
Ukto: mircea_popescu: yeah, but its being changed due to request
Ukto: and its low priority
Ukto: whereas websocket is ready
Ukto: besides
Ukto: i am debating not doing get/post anymore
Ukto: and leaving it purely to websocket
Ukto: to keep load off the server
mircea_popescu: we're going to end up with a third party interpreter here ?
Ukto: get/post is so archaic
Ukto: websockets are far far superior. lets get with the times :)
mircea_popescu: whatever way you do it, it pisses me off when i can't ticker.
mod6: getting there!
mod6: (15:00) < BitOTTer755> $vwap
mjr_: ident JoshRossi
mircea_popescu: lol cool mod6
mjr_: ;;ident JoshRossi
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: also! mod6 : look at FabianB_ commit
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/fawuxi
mjr_: ident mjr_
mircea_popescu: might have stuff there you need for your own botcode
mjr_: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
gabridome: !help
assbot: List of commands:
FabianB_: it's still pretty ugly and needs refactoring, but it's there and it works
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, his is Ruby but might come in handy...
mircea_popescu: o wow, ruby ?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ aren;'t you concerned by the numerous breaches lately ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not at all, all those braches are Rails related
mircea_popescu: ah, this is not ror just ruby ?
FabianB_: jup
FabianB_: never liked ror
FabianB_: ror is not ruby
mircea_popescu: kk
benkay: never liked ruby
benkay: ;
benkay: ;)
FabianB_: and of course a commandline client doesn't need any web stuff
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ the concern is that some unwittign user may be running a web server on his home computer w/o knowing
mircea_popescu: this is common for windows users for instance
mircea_popescu: then he could end up raped unexpectedly.
mjr_: rape is rarely expected
mircea_popescu: exactly :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not through my code, only if my code (or a library i use) is itself insecure or if that user is integrating it into his lame ror
mircea_popescu: kay.
benkay: i would expect at least one rorbro to do something like that
mircea_popescu: benkay at least it's been publicly mentioned, it's known about etc.
mjrIII: ok now i can try to get this WOT thing working
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: actually it started as a more featureful alternative to pympex for me; used it for a while
mircea_popescu: cool
FabianB_: i just added the IRC stuff today
aethero: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
aethero: what's the latest on mpex?
Namworld: DDoS
Josh_Rossi: ;;gpg eregister Josh_Rossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mircea_popescu: aethero https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1605252#msg1605252 is a good point to staert
aethero: Expected ETA for the site itself?
aethero: Going strictly onion?
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: aethero there are bots trading here. there will be an onion up, but im not sure tor can take the load.
mircea_popescu: there is a 10gb dedicated connection with muchly beefed up setups coming online asap.
aethero: ever going on clearweb again
mircea_popescu: there have been problems with supplying the hardware and so forth. I think next week is a safe estimate
Josh_Rossi: nice...arista?
mircea_popescu: nope.
Josh_Rossi: we got one arista 10gb
Josh_Rossi: and i also got to play with a force10
mircea_popescu: aethero anyway, proving that mpex can work w/o website is an important point here.
mircea_popescu: i want that to sink in well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 720 @ 0.18196843 = 131.0173 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi
gribble: Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=Josh_Rossi
Josh_Rossi: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=mircea_popescu
Josh_Rossi: well looks like i got it working
Josh_Rossi: but i would like to add an address to it
FabianB_: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate mircea_popescu +3
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
Josh_Rossi: ah ok
mjr_: ;;eauth Josh_Rossi
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
Josh_Rossi: ;;getinfo Josh_Rossi
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
Josh_Rossi: .authenticate
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f37b219dbeef705e0d0715acbc922c60d94b6b639c29a17c94779ac
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 He's a noob.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7752 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
mod6: ok this is getting a bit better... (16:21) <@mod6> http://pastebin.com/C1dT6RrM
mod6: (16:21) < BitOTTer569> PasteBin Key: C1dT6RrM
mircea_popescu: haha is that your little ircbot ?
mod6: yeah. the old Net::IRC is like uber deprecated
mircea_popescu: supy ?
mircea_popescu: or no cause you were doing perl neh ?
mod6: just changing these scripts to be able to connect to IRC and issue a command, get a response, parse it, then grab the URL or Key parsed, grab the raw data from the paste, and then display.
mircea_popescu: ya but what bot is it ? bitch ?
mod6: haha, i rolled my own
Josh_Rossi: nice mod6
mircea_popescu: o all the wya ?!
mircea_popescu: wow. well done.
Josh_Rossi: I am trying to set this up now
mod6: well, with this lib: POE::Component::IRC
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;eauth
mod6: so that has all of the commands and some subroutines to help with connect and sessions, etc.
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mircea_popescu: someone should totally make a lispbot implementation.
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, ima keep working on it for the next few days. hopefully get it to a spot that's pretty functional.
mod6: ahh lisp
mod6: even seen scheme?
mircea_popescu: mod6 isn't it funny that as you make progress mpex also adds shit ?
mircea_popescu: yea
mod6: yeah its good though
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: hehe
mod6: ima keep going here. thx guys.
Josh_Rossi: awesome
Josh_Rossi: this is starting to work
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00547927 / 0.006225 (500573 shares, 2,742.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616216 / 0.0069 (3735257 shares, 23,017.26 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5949999 = 1.19 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: got the mirc script to work
mircea_popescu: wd
BitHub: whats the price for asicminer today fokes?
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
BitHub: thanks mircea
mircea_popescu: !ticker m p750t
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
mircea_popescu: aaa kickass
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer-pt
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asic
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicmin
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
MJR_: hi
BitHub: selling my asicminer shares for 1.8 each
BitHub: i'm out
MJR_: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jcpham: What is asicminer paying per dividend
mircea_popescu: like 0.019 last one iirc
Josh_Rossi: hmmm this is weird
Josh_Rossi: if you look my other nick
Josh_Rossi: mjr_
Josh_Rossi: you can see i have identified as Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi gribble doens't go by nickserv accounts
mircea_popescu: it just looks at the user.
Josh_Rossi: ah ok
Josh_Rossi: so it has to see Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: yes.
Josh_Rossi: in order to identify me?
mircea_popescu: no
Josh_Rossi: aha
mircea_popescu: if you identify as Josh_Rossi from any account
jcpham: Facepalmdeskfloor
mircea_popescu: it will keep track of that name you identified from.
mircea_popescu: so mjr can identify as Josh_Rossi and for gribble mjr will be Josh_Rossi for as long as mjr doesn't part.
Josh_Rossi: ok
Josh_Rossi: going to be hard to get an ident script working with my phone
Bowjob: ;;eightball ian
gribble: Obviously.
Bowjob: hes a scammer
Bowjob: eight ball says so lol
Josh_Rossi: lol
Josh_Rossi: so basically how it works is that NickServe and gribble BOTH maintain separate identity for a given user
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi exactly.
Josh_Rossi: hmmm
Bowjob: ;;eightball is Ian Bakewell a scammer?
gribble: _I_ don't know.
Bowjob: Mhm
Bowjob: We will test eightball's honesty
Bowjob: ;;eightball Did I play with myself lastnight?
gribble: Naturally.
Bowjob: Fuck. He's legit
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mjr_: well that didn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.18345453 = 183.4545 BTC [+]
BitOTTer983: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer983: http://pastebin.com/dS1nAB1R
BitOTTer983: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dS1nAB1R
mjr_: how am i supposed to decrypt my OTP from my phone...i mean i could write a program that does it, but it is tough
mircea_popescu: mjr_ mod6 is working on stuff like that.
mod6: yeah, i'm re-building all scripts to interact with the bots.
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/#webpg-link
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017761/plain/
mod6: and mainly what i can make work in this one is gonna go into the end thingy, whatever it becomes
mjr_: hmmm but i thought he was doing it for android
mircea_popescu: android is a phone neh ?
mjr_: oh yes, of course
mod6: lol, doing it for that too, but now that's gonna be all f'd up
mjr_: i just meant i have an iphone
jborkl_: Ok, I finally figured it out- key managers are conflicting
mod6: thanks again guys, just needed to make sure that i could ping mpexbot and get the respone and all
mjr_: this is funny though...to me at least
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ not much surprise there.
jborkl_: No, it is not- they are a pain in the ass
mjr_: ok my iphone is at least jailbroken so let's see if we can get gpg :)
jborkl_: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017771/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017772/plain/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 316 @ 0.18372792 = 58.058 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 38.36519878 / 50.18328999 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 16,402.55 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 50 again huh
mjr_: yep, i think that is so far the best leading indicator i've seen
mjr_: so, i have gpg on my iphone now
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017775/
assbot: Processing.
error4733: TAKE MY MONEY
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017776/plain/
mjr_: but i really don't want to go back and forth between a terminal window with a touchscreen and colloquy
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;eauth Josh_Rossi
gribble: Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mod6: ok sorry guys, but after 10 mins the pastebin expires, gotta re-conn and get a fresh one
mod6: im now getting back the raw vwap, just need to make sure that I'm parsing correctly as before...
BitOTTer315: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer315: http://pastebin.com/ZTNPuLZJ
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074892 / 0.00078628 (10680545 shares, 7,998.94 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (58685013 shares, 40,184.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing to be sorry about lol
mircea_popescu: in other news, the #bitcoin-assets log for this current month (9 days!) is over 1mb
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017790/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017791/plain/
mod6: mircea_popescu: i just feel bad for the conn/dis-conns
mod6: but check it out ;)
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1017793/
mod6: she works
mircea_popescu: a cool
mod6: ok one more quick test, i'll check a different MPSIC
BitOTTer509: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer509: http://pastebin.com/PXDfa3ar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mod6: ok works pretty decent, a good rough start: http://dpaste.com/1017798/
mircea_popescu: i tell you this shit's pretty exciting
mircea_popescu: challenge brings innovation, as they say
mircea_popescu: ddos is one of the better things that happened to mpex so far
mircea_popescu: incredible huh.
mjr_: its amazing
mjr_: this is the future
mod6: =)
mircea_popescu: good designs well administered shall prevail
mod6: ok i cleaned that up, now i gotta do one more test then i can check it into github for yall
Bowjob: What do you guys think of google glasses
mod6: (just vwap is finished for now, will finish others over next few days...)
BitOTTer578: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer578: http://pastebin.com/xBthcKyb
mjr_: this kinda reminds me of an xkcd... http://xkcd.com/504/
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.54224, Best ask: 47.89850, Bid-ask spread: 0.35626, Last trade: 47.89858, 24 hour volume: 46494.02049522, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.71103
Bowjob: ...
Bowjob: wtf is this
Bowjob: Weekend rally
Bowjob: What vodoo is this
mjr_: http://xkcd.com/1181/ or this one LOL
mjr_: i know, i was hoping for a dip
mircea_popescu: where's the coinlab pr spam with "mpex indomitable, btc surges"
mod6: ok, the vwap one is finished (for the moment) and checked in: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_vwap.pl
mjr_: hmmm
mod6: anyway, im ciked that was so simple. can't do more must find a cold pizza to eat somewherez!
mjr_: just realized that now mpex is only for mpex registered people...
benkay: ouch
benkay: dat fee
mircea_popescu: mjr_ that was always the case ?!
mjr_: from market data perspective i mean
mircea_popescu: why ?
mjr_: do the other commands not come encrypted?
mjr_: hold on i am gonna try it out
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: plaintext
mircea_popescu: $depth
mjr_: oh ok cool
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/RCZCr6Uk
benkay: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00074997 = 1.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27999 @ 0.00074998 = 20.9987 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what commands are available for the mpexbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00074999 = 29.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19317 @ 0.00075 = 14.4878 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay $post $depth $vwap
benkay: thank you.
mjr_: ah very cool
benkay: $vwap
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/xaBQwgvC
benkay: what does vwap stand for?
mircea_popescu: volume weighted average price
mjr_: volume weighted average price
benkay: volume weighted average..
benkay: price!
mircea_popescu: ha!
benkay: thanks.
mircea_popescu: you can also inspect these one at a time with assbot's !ticker
mjr_: lol, was just thinking about back in the days when we were discussing mpex fee being around $450
mjr_: and just realized that it will now be around $1500
benkay: jeeze mp
mircea_popescu: i always said it's only going up.
mjr_: hyperinflation
mjr_: in the usd
mjr_: and that is true
mircea_popescu: the usual consumerist "o, i'll just wait" is suicide here.
mjr_: you did say that
mircea_popescu: the longer one waits the more painful it gets.
mjr_: hmmm that is a good point
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149892.0
mjr_: this is a whole new world
Bowjob: I nominate pirateat40 for the documentary
mjr_: typically...if you wait, prices usually fall
mjr_: on most consumable things
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mjr_: but in a bitcoin economy, the opposite may be true until you can finally do most of your transactions in bitcoin
benkay: assets denominated in btc just keep increasing in price
mjr_: in which case you would still be paying the same 30 btc you would have before
mircea_popescu: back in april 2012 when it was introduced fee was like, 100 bux irrc
the-bucket-shop: new metric: 1 seat mpex vs. 1 seat nyse
the-bucket-shop: wait for parity
mjr_: lol great idea
mircea_popescu: totally.
mjr_: oh...i emailed freenode and asked if they would accept bitcoin donations
mjr_: they only take credit card and paypal right now
mircea_popescu: yeah
mjr_: and i mean, it is pretty much exactly what they believe in as far as distributed systems and freedom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahaha somebody just pm'd me https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg773754#msg773754
benkay: where did homegirl running MPOE-PR pick up all dat econ?
mircea_popescu: benkay she is ocassionally allowed a quiet seat at the board meetings.
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://pastebin.com/TMmbMjc3
assbot: Please use http://dpaste.com/
the-bucket-shop: !mp http://dpaste.com/1017811/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1017812/plain/
benkay: mircea_popescu: preferred capitalization MPEx or MPEX?
mircea_popescu: it's always been MPEx
benkay: thanks.
Bowjob: money printing exchange
Bowjob: everyone makes money
mircea_popescu: haha totally.
Bowjob: does it it suck for people with bad calls and puts
benkay: !post
mircea_popescu: multi purpose excalibur
benkay: $post
the-bucket-shop: I got a STAT from irc. officially idiot proof.
mpexbot: benkay: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
Bowjob: i remember a 500 BTC squeezed out of a poor speculator
Bowjob: from the 26 to 20 dollar flash crash
Bowjob: hilarious
mircea_popescu: Bowjob end of jan somebody got wiped for like 5k actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [-]
Bowjob: yikes
Bowjob: Buy and hold, doesnt cost a dime
Bowjob: and it works so far
mircea_popescu: i think the record is that one time when s.dice got sold to like 0.0008
Bowjob: oh yeah
Bowjob: i remember that
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: fat finger
mircea_popescu: we mostly came to the conclusion it must have been a msitake
Bowjob: that was an 80k USD mistake
Bowjob: was it
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm aware of the email and irc channels for posting trades to MPEx, are there others I'm not aware of?
mircea_popescu: was pretty huge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay email is not atm such a channel.
Bowjob: and of course this being the wild wild west of finance
Bowjob: they cant.. they cant reverse it
mircea_popescu: i had mentioned that if the worst comes to worst we will take it to email,
Bowjob: fat finger
mircea_popescu: but it hasn't come to that.
benkay: thanks for the clarification. is irc then the only channel over which you're accepting transactions?
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.95900, Best ask: 47.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29100, Last trade: 47.33203, 24 hour volume: 47013.01597736, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.74036
mircea_popescu: other than that there are private proxies available atm, and the public irc bots.
Bowjob: "I wish I had bought some when they were cheap :(" - On the current events forums of gamefaqs
benkay: is one more robust than the other? do you prefer to receive over irc?
Bowjob: I was telling them about BTC since it was 13 dollars..
mircea_popescu: i woulsd guess irc is the most robust
mircea_popescu: this is a difficult question tho, robust by what standard ?
mircea_popescu: anything manmade is in principle doomed.
benkay: fuck iono
benkay: some arbitrary heuristic?
benkay: your team's hunches about these things?
mircea_popescu: irc is robust as long as freenode stays online.
benkay: thanks again.
mircea_popescu: don't mention it.
mjr_: yeah i think this is a great system
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0056 = 0.0112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.24110904 = 241.109 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21525757 = 215.2576 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.19052144 = 190.5214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16701309 = 167.0131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14485191 = 144.8519 BTC [-]
mjr_: hmmm
mjr_: i managed to import your pub key mircea
mjr_: still getting used to gpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mjr_: B|
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: aand we're officially over 200k option contracts traded this month.
mircea_popescu: new record.
mjr_: does anyone know how to type the double barred B
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33318 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 23 @ 0.21 = 4.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.215 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]
Bowjob: http://i.imgur.com/j8L5hhZ.jpg
Bowjob: Do want
kakobrekla: infinity sign is kinda unapropriate
kakobrekla: this not being fiat.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23978602 = 239.786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21402821 = 214.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1893874 = 189.3874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16597581 = 165.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14391278 = 143.9128 BTC [-]
the-bucket-shop: that seem like a big deal to anyone?
MadSweeney: mpex being dos'd can be ironically considered a milestone ;-)
mircea_popescu: so basically someone thinks btc will stay over 50ish
mircea_popescu: and has a coupla k's to back that thinking
jcpham: Whhoosh
pigeons: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.53000, Best ask: 47.54224, Bid-ask spread: 0.01224, Last trade: 47.53000, 24 hour volume: 48358.44194382, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.90546
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will BTC rise higher this week?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
Bowjob: :/
Bowjob: Sell sell sell!
Bowjob: Someone offered me 112 BTC for my Avalon
Bowjob: MHmm
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23956955 = 239.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21382268 = 213.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1891934 = 189.1934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16579394 = 165.7939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14374371 = 143.7437 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess it ain't gribble shorting them
jcpham: jeebus
mircea_popescu: MadSweeney indeed.
Bowjob: MadSweeny do people use BTC in the philippines?
MadSweeney: Bowjob, yes
Bowjob: id imagine people earn lik 1.5 BTC for 1 month
Bowjob: there
MadSweeney: that's too low
kakobrekla: doing what?
Bowjob: whats the average salary there
Bowjob: k, maybe 4 BTC im guessing
Bowjob: just a guess
Bowjob: lol
kakobrekla: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6988024064/h23C3D98F/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.2390698 = 239.0698 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21335791 = 213.3579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18876427 = 188.7643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16540104 = 165.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.1433876 = 143.3876 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hmmm
pizzaman1337: that's a lot of BTC
pizzaman1337: maybe they know something we don't...
Bowjob: I havent really paid attention..what does it mean
Bowjob: those btcs
mjr_: whats the oix at?
kakobrekla: those are put options Bowjob
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.68083871 / 49.87693675 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 17,066.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 50ish
mjr_: cool thats what i was figuring
mjr_: lol i just realized that i had kleopatra installed already and i was doing everything from the command line
mjr_: yeah i figured someone was hedging something with those
benkay: all the way down to 47...
mircea_popescu: if coinlab etc had a clue they could actually insure their coins
mircea_popescu: so they could deliver to customers rather than cancel orders
Bowjob: put options.. meaning they expect btc prices to go down.. to 47?
benkay: past.
mjr_: well
mircea_popescu: Bowjob nah. these were sold not bought
mircea_popescu: person is basically saying "btc will stay over 50 the entire month, and maybe even over 55"
benkay: purchaser?
mircea_popescu: the bot bought.
mircea_popescu: the customer sold.
Bowjob: so it's a "call" then
Bowjob: ?
mircea_popescu: you can tell cause the bids were taken out not the asks
mjr_: no selling a put = buying a call
mircea_popescu: no, it's a put.
mircea_popescu: nah.
mjr_: if you are "short" a put
mjr_: it is a bullish move
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.595 = 5.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.599 = 1.198 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thats true.
mircea_popescu: just the net gain as a function of btc price changes
mjr_: so if you think something is going up you can sell puts and collect premiums and buy calls as well
Bowjob: nice recovery on havelock
Bowjob: i sold at 0.75, lets see what happens
mjr_: some people sell puts in order to buy calls (lowers their cost)
mircea_popescu: yeah, that actually may work
Bowjob: They should have taught me this in hs
mircea_popescu: Bowjob absolutely.
Bowjob: but if they taught me about this in hs, there wont be time for shakespear
mjr_: shit they should teach people what a debit and a credit is
Bowjob: yeah ^
mjr_: i was actually thinking about trying to create a web based class
mjr_: like kahn academy or something about finance
Bowjob: thankfully, unlike most of my 20 year old contemporaries, I had this fine idea of saving more than i've been spending
benkay: fuck hs
mjr_: well...
mjr_: that is a smart idea
benkay: the whole education stack needs to be online
Bowjob: and i put it in bitcoins
mjr_: but not when you have rampant inflation
Bowjob: before they blew up from 13 dollars
Bowjob: lol
mjr_: so in your case smart
Bowjob: i wish i put more
Bowjob: oh well
benkay: meh
Bowjob: and i did put in what i can lose and just write off
benkay: don't fixate on short term
BitHub: selling asicminer shares 1.8 each get at me
benkay: you're only 20
benkay: do you want to do the trading thing?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: what is the capital requirement for someone to sell the amount of puts we just saw
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm, lets just say i'm "interested" not sure yet
Bowjob: i'm an owl for now. just observing
BitOTTer906: $depth
mpexbot: BitOTTer906: http://pastebin.com/Hhw3k9Bi
mircea_popescu: mjr_ probably about .5 btc per contract
benkay: what kind of work do you do?
mircea_popescu: something like 2500 per batch
mod6: sorry about the in and out, but it works better now, does both depth and vwap -- its all in one code file now too.
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1017874/
mod6: depth output successful
kakobrekla: is that in and out going to be a casual thing ?
mod6: na, i need to figure out how to msg the bot directly :/
kakobrekla: /msg <nick>
mod6: heh, this doesn't work quite like that
kakobrekla: ok
mircea_popescu: whtats the big deal, noobs join/part all da time
kakobrekla: ya but if we have 10 people using the script and all joining and parting
kakobrekla: its meh
mircea_popescu: a that'd be insane
mircea_popescu: im sure finished version won't be doing thatl ol
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: 948
Chaang-Noi: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.52311, Best ask: 47.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37689, Last trade: 47.92886, 24 hour volume: 49410.60996836, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.95456
Chaang-Noi: oh btc... are we going to 100?
mircea_popescu: 55 seems likely.
Chaang-Noi: yea 55 berfore 100 :)
mjr_: so, that guy just collected 948 bitcoins
kakobrekla: who?
mjr_: whoever sold those puts
mjr_: the bot bought them
kakobrekla: a
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: there were two bursts
mjr_: what's the equation for collateral?
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 48
gribble: There are currently 3929.1374 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 188482.186888 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 33194.542 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1619455.56147 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.2957 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it si trhe weekend and we are trucking on up.... crazy
mjr_: i know
mjr_: s.dice is back up too
mjr_: mpoe is up
Chaang-Noi: o kinda wan t to just walk away from btc land for a month come back and see what is going on...
Chaang-Noi: litecoin is near 25 cents
mircea_popescu: ya ltc is crazy lol
mjr_: i am actually trying to mine litecoin
mjr_: not because i particularly like them
mjr_: but because i can send them to btc-e
Chaang-Noi: many many gpu miners will mine and support ltc now asics
Chaang-Noi: make the network stronger:)
dub: does cpu mining still work for ltc?
benkay: hahaha best
mjr_: lol it hasn't worked for me
Bowjob: Stupid move on my part, I sold 10k LTC
Chaang-Noi: it works but like cpu mining in btc dont do it:)
Bowjob: maybe I should buy back
mjr_: well...if you move them to btc-e
mjr_: you can get access to better prices
mjr_: i just don't like the other funding options
mjr_: to clarify: i meant you could end up with more bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23838313 = 238.3831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21271752 = 212.7175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18817119 = 188.1712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16485623 = 164.8562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14289205 = 142.8921 BTC [-]
Bowjob: holy shi
Bowjob: t
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: 948
benkay: ;;calc 948*47.8
gribble: 45314.4
mjr_: almost 2k bitcoins
pizzaman1337: every time the bot puts up more blocks they're taken out
mircea_popescu: ddos
mircea_popescu: v2.0
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i have to imagine that your bot buys them as part of a hedging strategy
Namworld: Who's selling that amount of puts...
mircea_popescu: mpoe bot is just marketmaking
mod6: sorry guys, just a few more tests..
mjr_: no worries...to be honest, i think you can just turn off showing joins and parts
mjr_: i know you can in colloquy, but not sure about MIRC
kakobrekla: but thats like turning off 1 satoshi txes
kakobrekla: u dont do dat.
mjr_: no i didn't mean you
pizzaman1337: in order for that person to "cash out" they need to buy puts back, right?
mjr_: i meant you can send them, but i can not display them
mjr_: no
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 yes, or they autoexercise at month end
mjr_: yes true
pizzaman1337: and what exactly happens when they autoexercise?
mjr_: do they always autoexercise?
mjr_: thought they would only do that if they are in the money
mjr_: they probably will just expire worthless
BitOTTer86: $vwap
mpexbot: BitOTTer86: http://pastebin.com/KnN9A22z
benkay: /msg mirceau_popescu
benkay: wtb
pizzaman1337: but if they expire worthless, than means they made pure profit because they don't have to buy back worthless options?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ well, if they're not in the money they just dissapear
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 yes
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to like 55 and stays htere, all the btc he got selling he keeps
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to 40, he's on the hook for the difference
pizzaman1337: what if the diff is greater than the amount of money he has?
mjr_: you technically expose yourself to unlimited liability when you write options (at least calls)
mjr_: but usually you have to have something to back against the most likely scenario
mjr_: thats why i was wondering the specific collateral requirements
Namworld: With a call, you need to put up 1 BTC collateral so it's always 100% covered
mjr_: but for puts
mjr_: it varies doesn't it?
Namworld: For calls, their value tends toward 1. For puts tho, their value tends toward the infinite.
mjr_: hmmm yes when writing them
Namworld: For example, if price becomes 1/1000 of the put's strike, the put would be worth 1000 BTC
Namworld: If it goes to a lower fraction, even more.
mjr_: i know
mjr_: my point is that since you COULD be on the hook for millions of bitcoins
benkay: at most 21
mjr_: how many are required
Namworld: They're not fully covered. It would require infinite BTC.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: but what is the capital requirement
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 it can't be, cause he deposits collateral
Namworld: It varies depending on strike and current rate/BTC
mircea_popescu: Namworld they are fully covered, since you do put up enough btc to cover for the put in usd atthe time you write it
mircea_popescu: you put up a little more, which pays for insurance.
mjr_: just for example...let's say the vwap hits $100
mjr_: and you sold puts at $50
mjr_: wait reverse that lol
Chaang-Noi: ;;48.5
gribble: Error: "48.5" is not a valid command.
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 48.5
gribble: There are currently 17873.054 bitcoins offered at or under 48.5 USD, worth 863731.319966 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.7354 seconds
Chaang-Noi: massive wall up
kakobrekla: maybe from the sam guy who sold the puts
kakobrekla: now to be removed
kakobrekla: konspiraci
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I think I understand it all, thanks. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.
mjr_: so anyway, let's say the vwap is 50 and you sell puts at 50, the price drops to 25
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: but wouldln't that person want the price to increase?
kakobrekla: yes pizzaman1337, 04:37.38 ( kakobrekla ) now to be removed
kakobrekla: the ask wall.
pizzaman1337: ah
mircea_popescu: konspiraci!
kakobrekla: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png
mjr_: each contract would be liable for 2 bitcoins right?
Namworld: hmm, 1 BTC actually
mircea_popescu: no ?
Namworld: AActually in my example earlier, I think it should have been 999 BTC
Namworld: 1/(x-1)
Namworld: you get your fraction with x and remove 1 to that.
Namworld: Since at strike value, the put has 0 value.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: my point is just this...if you sold the put, and the price goes up 10x
Namworld: put is worth 0 so 0 collateral is eaten.
mjr_: yes
mjr_: but if it drops to 0
Namworld: You have infinity BTC value
mjr_: i think i see what mircea was saying
Namworld: So you must pay an infinity of worthless BTC...
jborkl: you can only write covered options, no naked
mjr_: yes exactly
pizzaman1337: "You don't hold enough assets to trade even one single unit of that MPSIC. Sad, sad, sad." < lulz
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: fortunately because btc is small and fiart is large it is kinda trivial for me to insure against that
mjr_: yes
mircea_popescu: so if btc goes to zero outstanding puts just get setrtled in fiat
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mjr_: yeah
mircea_popescu: anyway if btc is zero nobody would want to be settled in btc
Namworld: except you pay infinity x 0 USD per BTC...
mjr_: i am going to do some exploring on a pairs strategy
Namworld: if the price is 0.01 and strike is 1, you pay 99 BTC at 0.01 cent each...
Namworld: The lower the price goes, the more you owe. But the less the BTC costs to cover those larger BTC amounts.
mircea_popescu: basically a p500 can never cost more than 50 bucks
mircea_popescu: whatever that comes to
mjr_: although that is true...
mjr_: technically if you need btc in order to unwind your position
mjr_: and have to buy it on the open market
mjr_: someone would have to sell it
mjr_: and if you are obligated to buy a lot
mircea_popescu: price goes up and put is no longer under water
mjr_: you could be pushing the price up
mircea_popescu: it's a self limiting issue
mjr_: yep
bgupta: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mjr_: i was going to say that the other possibility is that you can cover the position very easily with another option
mjr_: if you sell one call for every put
mjr_: i meant buy a call for each put sold
BitOTTer501: $depth
mpexbot: BitOTTer501: http://pastebin.com/gV101v9A
mod6: hmm, ok well anyway, it works, kinda.
mod6: needs more work, but gotta run for now lol
mjr_: i was just looking at the last one, really great job mod6
bgupta: Hey is it ontopic to discuss pricing of bitcoin denominates securities in this channel?
bgupta: mostly wondering about ASICMINER share and their passthrough derivates.
mjr_: lol its all we talk about really
bgupta: excellent!!
dub: that and porn
mod6: wow, thx mjr_ :}
mjr_: bitcoin is finance porn
benkay: bitcoin is disruptive tech porn
mjr_: mod6: no prob, it is really really cool
mod6: so, I cleaned up the dir a bit on github, got rid of bitotter_vwap.pl and bitotter_depth.pl and its merged into this now: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_market_data.pl
bgupta: totally
benkay: but yes, that too
mod6: right on heheh. its awesome just to see it work, kinda lol
mjr_: whats interesting is that we are sending our GET requests via irc
mjr_: and retrieving a dynamic web page at a different address
mjr_: i think that is really cool
mod6: oh, so the bummer so far is... i maybe shouldn't have done a commit in there and had left those files to be still able to interface with mpex or a proxy in a way thats outward facing... if that ever happens again
mod6: cause with that, it was still tor capable
mod6: so i'll probably just re-introduce those files if/when that happens so tor may be utililzed
bgupta: so back when btw rallied from zero to about 10 it caught my attention… and I made a decision to invest in gnu mining gear. by the time I got my gear up and running it had spiked up to to 30+ and then crashed… I ran my rigs at a loss for almost a year, but when the algorithm changed, I decided that investing the wrk to reprogram them was a loser and shut it all down.. I managed to hang onto a minuscule 500 b
bgupta: though..
mjr_: i kinda thought that maybe you could host the website on tor with no order functionality
mod6: anyway, just thought yall should know what was happening.
bgupta: held it fallow for the past year or so… but the recent spike in price got me wondering if spinning up made sense (I decided no since the a sic stuff is imminent)
mod6: mjr_: that is pretty neat-o huh :)
mjr_: well
mjr_: do you get cheap electricity bgupta?
mircea_popescu: mod6 tor is coming i think.
mircea_popescu: bgupta btw = btc, gnu = gpu ?
mircea_popescu: and when did the algo change ?!
mjr_: mircea_popescu: also i can host a mirror if you like...it will be pretty tough for them to take out a GAE instance
mod6: ok, i'll reintroduce those files with needed changes as that approches. that'll be awesome
bgupta: In the past no, unfortunately…. now… I have a partner willing to pay electricity if I provide hardware and we split proceeds 50/50.. I think it's a loser for him though.. mircea_popescu yes sorry not reading what I am typing..
mircea_popescu: mjr_ they already have, three times. and amazon x2
mod6: i have basically only accessed mpex over tor since you moved it all over to that early last year
mod6: its always been fast for me
mircea_popescu: if by hardware you mean gpus bgupta it's a loser for him. and prolly for you too.
mjr_: well...not really for him, if he alrady has the hardware
bgupta: well… they are paid for… so not really
mjr_: he will just get to keep half of the small number of bitcoins he gets
bgupta: the loss will be a day of my time figuring out how to setup the softare
mod6: any amt of satoshi will be signifigant eventually
mjr_: i thought you already had it running?
mjr_: i am debating installing visual studio 2012 on my home computer
bgupta: I had it running was paying way to much for hosting in a real datacenter.. so shut it down last april when they changed the algorithm,,
mjr_: what do you mean changed the algorithm?
mjr_: if you mean when the pay rate halved
bgupta: mmm… existing miners had to upgrade the software..
bgupta: no
bgupta: let me see if i can find the deets
mjr_: upgrading version?
bgupta: yeah bitcoind changed… and all pools and miners had to upgrade
Chaang-Noi: network is mining blocks like crazy
bgupta: my pool at the time didn't upgrade and shutdown.. and since I was losing close to 50% at the time (due to the ridiculously low price of btw at the time) I followed them
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m.dice
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
the-bucket-shop: !ticker s m.dice
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
bgupta: I probably mined close to 10k coins while I had my rigs up.. but only managed to walk away with 500 btw after all was said and done..
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732757 shares, 23,001.76 BTC)
bgupta: err btc not btw
bgupta: don'w know why I keep doing the same type
bgupta: typo
Bowjob: mhm. what will happen to SR when mt gox stops their service to NA
bgupta: SR?
bgupta: Guessing NA is north america?
Namworld: Anywaym I'm out. Goodbye
bgupta: goodnight
bgupta: Bowjob ^^
bgupta: ooooo
Bowjob: yea\
bgupta: SR is satoshi dice?
pizzaman1337: SR is silk road, SD is satoshi dice
bgupta: ahh...
Chaang-Noi: anyone here selling off some of their btc and buying something crazy? or are we all just holing untill $1000 plus?
Bowjob: bought ASICs
dub: Chaang-Noi: im thinking about turnign some asicminer into a truck
bgupta: I am willing to sell my premium domain for 4000 btc..
Bowjob: it better start with mt. and and with gox
Bowjob: if its that much
dub: whats the domain
bgupta: nah just vj.com
Chaang-Noi: dub i did that already, traded my car in and got a truck
bgupta: If it was USD I'd want a bit more, but it is a digital only transaction, so I'm willing to do it for a little less
bgupta: unfortunately the folks that would be interested don't deal in btc
bgupta: Quick question in the flow… Are BitFunder, btct.co and apex the main securities exchanges ATM?
Chaang-Noi: how much did you buy that site for?
bgupta: $0… registered it before they charged for registering domains..
Chaang-Noi: cool, why not get more then?
bgupta: been paying whatever a year for the standard domain registration..
Chaang-Noi: im sure its a good name but you are going to have to hit the right people to get that much out of it
Chaang-Noi: i guess it is reasonable though
bgupta: well I had it appraised for $250,000.. but to sell it, i'd need to put a lot of time into adverttising, and likely need to retain a domain broker.. and then take a huge hit on taxes..
bgupta: realistically if I tried I could probably pocket close to $200,000
bgupta: It's the most valuable thing I own, and it goes up about 7% a year in value
bgupta: (Well other than my apt)
mjr_: my friend who owns an it consulting company said that that is his biggest regret
bgupta: It's a fallow asset..
mircea_popescu: bgupta mpex is, yes.
mircea_popescu: and wth, it boggles that anyone'd pay 200k for a domain.
mircea_popescu: i certainly wouldn't.
bgupta: well not an individual for sure..
mjr_: companies
bgupta: think startup or large company
pizzaman1337: with tons of users
mjr_: 200k is not much for a big company
mircea_popescu: that's besides thew point.
mircea_popescu: 200k isn'r much for me, either
bgupta: they don't even allow people to register two letter domains any more.
mircea_popescu: but it is very much for a domain
mircea_popescu: which is what we're discussing.
mjr_: i meant as part of a budget involving web presence
mircea_popescu: even so.
bgupta: memorable domains are getting harder to come by...
mjr_: that is a scarce resource
mircea_popescu: eh get out
mircea_popescu: it never was scarce, it's never gettingscarce.
mjr_: when i was looking into getting a domain name for my site
mjr_: huh?
mircea_popescu: seriously.
benkay: ad buys are made by advertisers
benkay: they don't think like that
mjr_: it is hard to get a one word domain
mircea_popescu: ya, they think like stupid.
mircea_popescu: no "memorable domain" has a site worth anything on it.
mircea_popescu: all the good sites are on new names
mircea_popescu: google
mircea_popescu: twitter
mircea_popescu: mpex
mircea_popescu: etc.
bgupta: amazon
mjr_: and getting those domains
mjr_: would be expensive
mircea_popescu: amazon is only memorable because of amazon
benkay: coca cola's ad company isn't smart enough for that shit
Chaang-Noi: i hold tygrr.com and bitcoins.lc not really worth a whole lot.
benkay: they're herd followers
benkay: worse than traders
mjr_: i got btcshares.com
Chaang-Noi: and litecoin.me :)
mjr_: btc-etf.com
mircea_popescu: point in case : btc.com
mjr_: gone
mircea_popescu: did any of the large btc players bother with it ? nope.
mircea_popescu: well... whoopdedo. why not ?
mjr_: bitcoins are still very new
mircea_popescu: forget that.
mjr_: i bet that domain will be very valuable in the future
mircea_popescu: there's people in btc that can afford 200k for a domain.
mjr_: of course
Chaang-Noi: btc.com is a porn site oh lol
mircea_popescu: i bet it will be very valuable in the sense 10 bucks are very valuable.
Chaang-Noi: brain trust company
benkay: their capital is best put to work in profitable ventures
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi some bs wannabe japanese co.
bgupta: well we are a bit different in that we use irc and weirdly named forums for most of our info. we seek out knowledge
dub: btc.com is too generic, like dollar.com
dub: you don't want that for a brand
mircea_popescu: dub yet bitcoin.com was all the bruhaha
bgupta: yeah the problem with too generic is they aren't trademarkable.
bgupta: which means you can't build a company or a brand around them
bgupta: e.g business.com
Chaang-Noi: sex.com
dub: sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010
bgupta: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/businesscom-sold-for-345-million/ look what it's being used of now
Chaang-Noi: pretty generic:)
benkay: wankery
benkay: lotteries
dub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name#Resale_of_domain_names
mjr_: i'm just saying
benkay: spend your energy on creating value
dub: insure.com for $16mn
benkay: capture a small fraction
benkay: don't wager with your life work
mjr_: typically we think of being creative
dub: man up and use it for a shock site tbh
bgupta: yeah.. I've been holding it, because one day when I do a startup, I want a unique domain name to do it with.
mjr_: but that is way harder for some people than just throwing money at stuff
benkay: lolwut
benkay: that domain's taking up too much of your brainspace
mjr_: seriously
benkay: not you mjr_
mjr_: i know
mjr_: i am just saying that domains are valuable, cuz people want them
benkay: if you're wasting cycles on thinking about domains
mircea_popescu: <dub> sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010 << and it never generated 1mn of revenue in its entire lifetime
mircea_popescu: bgupta i simply don't believe the sort of bs
benkay: you're not going to be successful in running your own business
Chaang-Noi: sex.com made shit loads on money?
mircea_popescu: i am aware the domain name scam people are really working hard to make their coolaid credible
Chaang-Noi: of
benkay: not in a high-competition, high-growth, environment
mjr_: benkay: that is the point, most people do not want to own their own business
mircea_popescu: but a ny times blog hit is nothing in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: 345mn didn't happen
benkay: i get it man, i get it
bgupta: The reality is google kinda made domain names less relevant.. that and the fact that browsers changed how they deal with stuff you type into the address bar.
benkay: doesn't mean i don't think that putting it all on a specific slot on the fucking roulette table is a good idea
dub: yeah for most people google is the address bar
benkay: bgupta++
benkay: i infrequently type domains
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: the way to go is just invent a name and use that as your tm and domains
benkay: it's like gm <enter>
dub: yep, and remember bookmarks? lol
benkay: bi <enter>
bgupta: point is that if I worked really hard I could sell it for $200,000, or if I worked even harder, I could build a kick ass business with a cool domain name that's easy to type.. I have time for neither atm.
benkay: ca <arrow down> <arrow down> <enter>
benkay: aren't there things you'd enjoy working on more?
benkay: i mean
bgupta: if someone flush with btw wanted to take it off my hands I'd be cool.. but that's a side bar..
benkay: i'm tired of hustling
benkay: it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for
bgupta: Yeah sure.. I run a LUG.. which I LOVE.
dub: its probably worht throwing a thread up about it
benkay: no sarcasm?
bgupta: I do OSS stuff, love that too
benkay: what's your profit center?
dub: the great thing about bitcoin is there is no shortage of idiots, some with too much money
bgupta: my profit center?
benkay: true of any market of a reasonable size
benkay: trivial conclusion
mjr_: dub: yep, the market fixes that situation
bgupta: I do consulting which is a brutal business.
benkay: meh
benkay: what space?
mircea_popescu: <benkay> it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for << this.
bgupta: cloud shit
benkay: how brutal?
bgupta: mmm.. to make a dollar you need to sell a body, brutal.. no real leverage, no real product.
dub: tis potentially a nice way for someone to cash out $200k of btc too
benkay: mircea_popescu: the best part is that everything i get checks for, i also learn new skills that multiply my rate
bgupta: dub what forum would I post it to if I wanted to pursue?
dub: bgupta: the bitcointalk market or auction forums
bgupta: benkay: I run a small consulting company.. it's not just me… so most of my time is spent doing business stuff not learning
benkay: i've seen that happen man
mircea_popescu: i've done plenty of consulting and it was always fun
mircea_popescu: what the heck.
benkay: i've never seen someone run the shop and still make commits
benkay: i love it
Bowjob: stupid parents took my piano away
mircea_popescu: "Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation,"
mircea_popescu: the chinese are about to bitchslap them
bgupta: The one thing I do like about it is the flexibility...
benkay: flex is nice
benkay: i get to bill anywhere i am
benkay: boss-folks like to see my face from time to time
bgupta: I get to pick my priorities..
benkay: but it's part of my mystique that i show up at the office kind of randomly
bgupta: been growing my lug and getting some pretty cool speakers..
benkay: what's the appeal in the lug?
bgupta: this is the next event: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181872/
dub: benkay: I had that at ibm, nobody (besides customers) had any clue what I did
benkay: big bluuuuue
benkay: corporate honky
benkay: ;)
bgupta: and this is the one after: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/102722692/
bgupta: and even cooler this is the one after that: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181952/
bgupta: I get to onsite awesome folks to NYC to talk to a bunch of geeks
benkay: that is pretty neat
bgupta: s/onsite/invite/
bgupta: afk for 5 smoke..
benkay: that's a lot...
Bowjob: btc crashing
mircea_popescu: lmao no way
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30215, Best ask: 47.30587, Bid-ask spread: 0.00372, Last trade: 47.30215, 24 hour volume: 50842.40617608, 24 hour low: 43.60001, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.10288
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: it was 46.60
Bowjob: lol
Bowjob: by "crashing" i mean volatility
Bowjob: lol
bgupta: always volitile
bgupta: nbd
bgupta: so the real reason I can into this channel was to ask what folks think about ASICMINER shares, and the passthrough variants.
bgupta: I perhaps overshared, and for that I apologize, I;m a bit too open that way.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
the-bucket-shop: I've not looked at numbers for asicminer but I've met people at meet ups that seem to like it alot
mircea_popescu: ;;get info jborkl
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
mircea_popescu: ;;getinfo jborkl
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpginfo jborkl
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck
dub: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
dub: ;;getrating jborkl
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
jborkl: hmm, let me auth
bgupta: trying to value the shares, as they are starting to climb… faster than I can transfer btc out of mtgox (which is where has been my wallet for the past year.)
bgupta: am I idented?
bgupta: I set that up ages ago… not sure if it's enabled
dub: ;;ident bgupta
gribble: Nick 'bgupta', with hostmask 'bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: bgupta https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.msg1605413#msg1605413 if you mean asicminer
bgupta: thanks for the link will read..
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01398 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
jborkl: ;;ident jborkl_
gribble: Nick 'jborkl_', with hostmask 'jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01999 = 0.3598 BTC [+]
bgupta: so one thing I discovered is once the initial asicminer investors have been paid dividends drop by half.. since the real investors own half of the whole thing.
jborkl: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is identified as user jborkl_, with GPG key id 3ABA925F1676E0DA, key fingerprint BEDA499D84B3F11FAC2C98C13ABA925F1676E0DA, and bitcoin address 1assBEfKxpuhv3HdYfQwf9h2TR43DwVke
bgupta: considering initial investors bought shares at ~0.1btc that should happen sooner than later
Bowjob: Fuck
Bowjob: I'm mad
Bowjob: ... stupid fucking parents taking my piano downstairs
Bowjob: bpjhwsipghsipfghipaefghiaef
dub: firstworldproblems
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Without asking you to divulge too much roughly what part of the world are you in?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/274/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-hopkins-to-win/
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: whoa hopkins won by like, 1
mircea_popescu: bgupta timisoara
Bowjob: i swear i have rage building right now
Bowjob: fuck
bgupta: very cool...
bgupta: Bowjob.. go deal.
bgupta: be sweet
bgupta: mircea: Is there a way to buy straight up shares of asicminer, without doing passthrough stuff?
bgupta: err: mircea_popescu ^^
mircea_popescu: no. they blew their mpex listing.
bgupta: what does that mean they "blew a listing"
bgupta: delisted?
mircea_popescu: nah, just, failed to list.
bgupta: blew their chance?
Bowjob: I feel so violated.. that piano is my personal one
mircea_popescu: think of it in these terms : company pops up, doesn't list on nyse, lists on pink sheets
Bowjob: theres a second piano downstairs that i do not care about
mircea_popescu: through a weird agreement they don't sign
mircea_popescu: it's a little lala
bgupta: ok..
bgupta: SO the muse thing that everyone bitches about the 30btc thing.. that's just a one time thing, no?
dub: Bowjob: 1%problems
mircea_popescu: yes.
bgupta: s//muse/mpex/
bgupta: ok.. that would make trading difficult for me if it was a trading cost.
mircea_popescu: "everyone". hm. it's more of a "everyone that's bitching about it is bitching about it".
dub: bgupta: there are lots of otc asicminer trades happening, check the auction forum
mircea_popescu: obviously those that don't bitch don't bitch.
dub: bgupta: friedcat (asicminer guy) is timely about transferring etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, there's a large assignment market in it too, otc.
mircea_popescu: well...large. 100s of btc or so
bgupta: err.. lot me clarify "everything that bitches" means "everyone that bitches about mpex"… I believe that's the biggest complaint. and I'm ok with it…
mircea_popescu: i thought the biggest complaint was that i'm not nice.
bgupta: I am ready to buy sink 300 some odd btw into asicminer.. these penny-ante exchanges aren't quite cutting it.
bgupta: ohh.. you are mpex?
bgupta: very cool. sorry for being oversharing.
bgupta: (Realising that 300 btw is penny-ante)
bgupta: btc
mircea_popescu: what's oversharing ?
bgupta: the sharing of internet complaints..
Bowjob: I'll warn them next time they try to pull this shit again, I will yell at them so that all the guests will hear it.
mircea_popescu: lol that's not a problem, the internet was born to kvetch
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's a gamble on multiple scores.
bgupta: mircea_popescu: are your trades listed publicly? IE: do I need to buy in to see traffic?
mircea_popescu: nope. it streams here for one.
bgupta: fuck it's all a gamble
bgupta: opps
mircea_popescu: all the earlier excitement about the trading puts for instance
mircea_popescu: twitter.com/mpex1 or you could just follow the twitter.
mircea_popescu: there's also a rss but atm unavailable.
bgupta: Ohhhh… was gonna ask what these things are..
bgupta: me hates me some derivatives. (unless of course.. I am issuing them)
mircea_popescu: puts for this month around 50usd/btc
mircea_popescu: you can issue, sure. ths person was selling short.
bgupta: mircea: I am looking for a "stock exchange"
mircea_popescu: mpex does shares, options, futures
mircea_popescu: the whole thing
bgupta: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ ??
mircea_popescu: techbnically speaking options are securities anyway
mircea_popescu: that;s a proxy.
bgupta: err Ok I like equity
mircea_popescu: currently dead.
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/d6AS1y6d
mircea_popescu: there, that's a list of what traded past month
bgupta: JSON?
mircea_popescu: yes
bgupta: ok
mircea_popescu: grep S\. for shares
mircea_popescu: ie equity
bgupta: json is human readable.. but… I need to whip out cli shit to deal.. one moment.. (I'm slow)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (89317 shares, 66.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074889 / 0.00078628 (10735832 shares, 8,040.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068483 / 0.00078628 (58572634 shares, 40,112.83 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732756 shares, 23,001.75 BTC)
mircea_popescu: there, that sorta thing
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
bgupta: gotcha… ok I have to admit, I think the shit futures/options/derivatives are gonna make a number of folks very rich, I wish we could leave all that baggage behind is in the fiat world. We don't need wall street and hedge funds and institutional folks to "help us along"
bgupta: brb
mircea_popescu: uhm
mircea_popescu: how do you expect btc to work without financial instruments.
mircea_popescu: just because your master stripped you naked and beat you with a whip doesn't mean there's no need for whips in this new state you're making "for freedom".
mircea_popescu: they have their utility.
bgupta: fair enough… they have their utility.
Bowjob: http://coinlab.com/
Bowjob: some serious resistance this is
bgupta: meh… guessing price is gonna need to consolidate a bit.. before it can go up again
bgupta: could collapse too…
bgupta: it's had an amazing run… (I think it's not gonna collapse below 20 or so… but that's just me).. I think it has huge potential
bgupta: but
bgupta: I've starting thinking about things in btw… not USD… it's hard
bgupta: how do i get post access on bitcointalk??
bgupta: I get "be odd on newbie: but that's %^&ing retarded.
bgupta: err ocd
bgupta: ok my typing has suffered tonight as I drank a bottle of manzanilla
the-bucket-shop: bgupta I think you make 5 posts on the newbie section
bgupta: the-bucket-shop: Like mods are retards x 5? <jk>
bgupta: hard to post there…
the-bucket-shop: no, I would add +1 to each retard mod. multiplying will put you way over
bgupta: ok now have posted two
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
bgupta: now post three
the-bucket-shop: you can skip the updates, try to keep this room on point
bgupta: sorry…
bgupta: although (sidetracked now)… They probably don't
Bowjob: whats up with LTC
Bowjob: wtf
the-bucket-shop: problems in the litecoin community? I don't follow the news there, but would love to hear complaints if any.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC crash?
gribble: The outlook is good.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.34445, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 51372.27442917, 24 hour low: 43.70101, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.15373
bgupta: ltc will go wonky one way or another when all the gnu miners drop out of btw and point at ltc.
mircea_popescu: ahh my huge roast is in the oven
mircea_popescu: huuuuuge
bgupta: roast what?
mircea_popescu: a 2lb pork chop
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC rise in value?
gribble: _I_ don't know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005884 = 2.942 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bgupta, doesn't mining difficulty push coin value up with it?
bgupta: Bowjob.. a big chunk of BTC miners are gonna be mining LTC so...
bgupta: yes and no
bgupta: supply and demand is what ultimately drives value
bgupta: demand just deals with one end of that equation.
bgupta: err difficulty just deals with one end of that equation.. and that's supply.
ThickAsThieves: ltc has a use just in that you can play it against btc
ThickAsThieves: then you have litecoinglobal.com
ThickAsThieves: where there are btc and ltc-denominated assets
bgupta: so I here
bgupta: hear
ThickAsThieves: as long as people mostly stay focused on 1 alt-coin, it will do well
mircea_popescu: aite boys and girls. laters!
bgupta: dev coins.
bgupta: are wack
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i was like dev coins what?
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 49.80381297 / 50.5311083 (no shares, 17,228.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.28030, Best ask: 47.30009, Bid-ask spread: 0.01979, Last trade: 47.30009, 24 hour volume: 38523.58082220, 24 hour low: 44.30000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.52796
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok so : jurov's coinbr has been nuked too, for the 2nd time. working on maximian's idea atm, probably back online soon.
mircea_popescu: 3rd generation, here we come.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000725 = 0.0718 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 38 @ 0.000725 = 0.0276 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ineedausername
gribble: I have not seen ineedausername.
AndChat567216: It's perhaps discussed already... but why not a MPEX proxy as TOR hidden service?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: AndChat567216 the concern is that may cause trouble to tor.
mircea_popescu: but it's being worked on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00194 = 0.0485 BTC [-]
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.005884 / 0.005884 (500 shares, 2.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00557643 / 0.006225 (387228 shares, 2,159.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3723806 shares, 22,946.81 BTC)
the-bucket-shop: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
deadweasel: Chooser starting his own gambling/shares site? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151470.msg1607522#msg1607522
ThickAsThieves: is there someone i can bug to process manual withdrawals from BTCT/LTCglobal
ZedsterX: that's the spirit
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves burnside
ThickAsThieves: he's the only one :/
ThickAsThieves: ltc at .0785 alrdy
ThickAsThieves: oops
ThickAsThieves: .00785
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .00785 * 45
gribble: 0.35325
mircea_popescu: heh srsly ?!
ThickAsThieves: it went up 10% in 10min
kakobrekla: at this rate you gonna have to update that bitbet proposition soon
kakobrekla: or make another bet
kakobrekla: "ltc will be woth more than btc"
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna get all the ltc kiddies betting on it
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: is there a ltc chart like bitcoincharts anywhere ?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: all i have i 5min chart
mircea_popescu: lol sux
kakobrekla: https://btc-e.com/exchange
kakobrekla: ltc/btc
kakobrekla: action realtime
mircea_popescu: i can't believe they dion't have a chart system
ThickAsThieves: http://www.ltc-charts.com/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e
ThickAsThieves: its a little wonky
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: ty
ThickAsThieves: np
ThickAsThieves: rally is pulling back
ThickAsThieves: i sold 1050 ltc for 7.5btc :)
mircea_popescu: well done.
ThickAsThieves: wouldve been another 3000 if burnside did use Flintstone withdrawal method
kakobrekla: lol
pigeons: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=2-days&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: same chart but for black people?
pigeons: yep, black is cooler
mircea_popescu: lol black is what the pros use!
ThickAsThieves: i have too many other windows that are white
ThickAsThieves: kills my eyes to flip back and forth
ThickAsThieves: i guess if i had more monitors i could set up some for charts
ThickAsThieves: but i still have a day job
ThickAsThieves: for now
kakobrekla: dump dat shit
ThickAsThieves: tough to,
ThickAsThieves: it's my own business
ThickAsThieves: and ive pared it down a lot
ThickAsThieves: but still serve about 60 websites and 25 clients as designer
ThickAsThieves: then some adwords account mgmt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you are a designer?
ThickAsThieves: yessir
kakobrekla: got a portfolio?
pigeons: why are there still designers? we have bootstrap
ThickAsThieves: i do mostly branding stuff
ThickAsThieves: web design occassionally
ThickAsThieves: my portfolio are all busted atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i put up a new wordpress site that wasnt finished
ThickAsThieves: what kind of design are you looking for? i could dig up relavant samples
Namworld: lol... everybody use basic bootstrap only! A la GLBSE.
ThickAsThieves: relevant*
Diablo-D3: fucking bootstrap
ThickAsThieves: i'd rather see bootstrap than a lot of other shit
mircea_popescu: did you get your portofolio ddosed ?
Namworld: I prefer hand coded website
Diablo-D3: the newest version of foundation actually looks nice
Diablo-D3: Namworld: isn't worth it anymore
ThickAsThieves: no, cuz i havent linked to it here yet mp
Diablo-D3: too many flakey devices that get css wrong
Chaang-Noi: ltc:)
ThickAsThieves: i dont do any programming other than tertiary stuff
ThickAsThieves: some server mgmt
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: you should
Diablo-D3: its good for you
ThickAsThieves: i know
Diablo-D3: teaches you how to think
Namworld: What? How would it not be worth it?
ThickAsThieves: i have so many projects already
Diablo-D3: Namworld: I just told you why
ThickAsThieves: ive been learning plenty
Namworld: That's not even a good reason.
ThickAsThieves: just not programming
Diablo-D3: Namworld: if you want your website to look correct on every device ever, yes, it is a good reason
Namworld: The same can be done manually...
Diablo-D3: yes, if you OWN every device ever
Namworld: Plus bootstrap doesn't support everything...
Diablo-D3: bootstrap supports everything worthwhile
ThickAsThieves: oh geez
Diablo-D3: and supports a lot of older mobile browsers that really should just be tossed in the trash
Namworld: Same can be done manually...
Diablo-D3: not reliably
Diablo-D3: dude, I've written frameworks like bootstrap and foundation before, you haven't
ThickAsThieves: $vwap
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: http://pastebin.com/q5kdCh3m
Diablo-D3: its a pain in the fucking ass, and not worth wasting your time on
Diablo-D3: if a team wants to dedicate their shitty little lives to it, let them, it saves me the time of having to hit phones with hammers until they work
ThickAsThieves: and what are your feelings on Wordpress
ThickAsThieves: dare i ask
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I fucking hate it and I'm seriously considering replacing mine with a static blog
Diablo-D3: do like some git cron job or something
ThickAsThieves: you hate it personally, and/or you think others shouldn't use it?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: hehe
Diablo-D3: Ive ran a wordpress blog for like 7 or 8 years now
Diablo-D3: it makes me hate php more and more
ThickAsThieves: like all my clients use it for their small biz sites
ThickAsThieves: so many hax
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: they shouldn't, its a security hazard
ThickAsThieves: i hate it now
Diablo-D3: this is why I run it on an isolated vps
ThickAsThieves: i mean i dont mind using it
ThickAsThieves: but all the hax
Diablo-D3: just so it can't fuck other shit up
ThickAsThieves: so hard to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its easy to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: "wordpress is written in php, php makes it easy for you to write code wrong so hackers can come in and fuck your website up"
Diablo-D3: "but why would they do this?"
Diablo-D3: "because they're assholes, Bob, they're assholes"
ThickAsThieves: because its free
ThickAsThieves: his name is actually Bob, lol
Diablo-D3: plumbers are always named Bob
Diablo-D3: its a rule
Diablo-D3: if you name your kid bob, he will grow up to either be a plumber or an electrician
ThickAsThieves: What if you call him Robert
Diablo-D3: mass murderer
ThickAsThieves: Bert the mass murderer, yep
Namworld: ...
ThickAsThieves: namworld is named Robert i guess
Diablo-D3: but yeah, storing your blog statically in git and then outsourcing the comments to a service
Diablo-D3: would really cut down on the bullshit
ThickAsThieves: clients want to edit their content in Word tho
pigeons: lots of sites i dont realize they have comments cause they use javascript to display them from a 3rd party service
Diablo-D3: so? they can copy paste
Diablo-D3: pigeons: er, except said 3rd party services email you on comment
Diablo-D3: which is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING
Diablo-D3: unless they explicitly set it up as moderation, then thats fine
pigeons: that's why i use your email address
Diablo-D3: lol but its gmail and gmail filters like a baus
pigeons: bwais
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 32 @ 0.00564 = 0.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00565 = 0.2825 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00567 = 1.701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.005709 = 0.0571 BTC [+]
Rick__: Is MPEx back on line/
Rick__: ?
FabianB: Rick__: still only here on irc
Rick__: when will it be back on line?
Namworld: No one can know... it's being DDoS'ed
Namworld: Whenever however is DDoS'ing it stops.
smickles: $ping
mpexbot: pong
Rick__: mircea cant do anything with the "ddos"?
Rick__: what if the ddosing wont stop?
jurov: i'm working on bringing mpex.coinbr.com onlinw with amazing powers
jurov: hopefully others, too
Rick__: looking forword to have mpex.coinbr.com back
Namworld: Amazing amazonian powers?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ as i said, there;'s more hardware coming online, and meanwhile trading works through the bots
mircea_popescu: have you been reading the forum updates ?
mircea_popescu: also possibly of interest to you, FabianB has released an equivalent of pympex capable of going through the irc bots
smickles: mircea_popescu: would you mind if '$vwap s.dice' returned what one might expect?
mircea_popescu: not at all
smickles: same with $depth s.dice
smickles: ooh, what's this FabianB thing?
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex
FabianB: smickles: it's like pympex
FabianB: just a little smoother interface, more features and can talk to the irc bots
mircea_popescu: someone's gonna one day make a gui
FabianB: as alternative to the http api
mircea_popescu: smickles also of possible interest to you
Namworld: I want a GUI...
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:07 <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:13 <mircea_popescu> such as !ticker m C600T
pigeons: did you turn normal during your time away from irc smickles?
Rick__: mircea,I can read English,but lots of computer things I dont understand,it's very diffcult for me
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok. basically, don't panic, we're working on it. even if ddos never stops.
pigeons: Rick__: do you need some trades executed now?
Rick__: nope
Rick__: just care about the website
pigeons: yes, we all cared about her, she's very pretty
mircea_popescu: lol
Rick__: I invest hundreds of coin in it
mircea_popescu: for all the hate that website got, seriously.
Rick__: so basicly,when will it be back on line?do you have a schedule?
mircea_popescu: Rick__ do you understand how ddos works ?
Rick__: nope,not at all
mircea_popescu: want me to explain ?
FabianB: problem with GUIs is that its majority of users are ms windows users
Rick__: If you thing I can understand
Rick__: think
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok lets see. suppose you have a shop somewhere. you make ok money selling things in your shop.
Rick__: yeah
mircea_popescu: one day a customer comes in and says "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: your shop doesn't sell carrots. you tell him this. he leaves.
mircea_popescu: this is no big deal, really, mistakes happen.
mircea_popescu: the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: the queues reach as far as the next town
mircea_popescu: the police wants to fine you because your shop is blocking the traffic
Rick__: okay,that's making sence
mircea_popescu: what can you do ?
mircea_popescu: when will your shop be back taking normal orders ?
Rick__: shut the shop down?
mircea_popescu: well that's not very good is it ?
Rick__: yeah,want shot somebody!
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: ok so, what you do is either make a much larger shop, or make the shop location secret, or both.
mircea_popescu: i am doing both. however, building a supermarket is not instantaneous.
Rick__: so the carrot here,what exacly the hacker do ,
Rick__: okay
mircea_popescu: it should have been online by yest, but we ran into supplier problems. that's detailed here :
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1601667#msg1601667
mircea_popescu: read the messages from there on.
Rick__: okay,thank you very much
mircea_popescu: np.
mircea_popescu: FabianB hey, does opengl work on windoze ?
pigeons: yes
mircea_popescu: is there opengl gui lib for py/perl ?
pigeons: dunno, i've played with OGLE for capturing geometry
FabianB: mircea_popescu: probably, but opengl is good for games and maybe charts, but not so much for normal guis
mircea_popescu: o really ?!
mircea_popescu: why not ?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's useful for 3D stuff etc.
smickles: FabianB: looks nice, and good thing to add the ability to go via IRC :)
mircea_popescu: i understand that, but i mean... if it can do that why couldn't it do some window boxes
smickles: mircea_popescu: did kako say he wasn't going to make assbot 'hungry'?
FabianB: sure you can, but it's easier to do GUIs with QT, GTK, Cocoa or Windows native stuff
mircea_popescu: !ticker m P470T
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1D: 0.14289205 / 0.14375761 / 0.14485191 (5000 shares, 718.79 BTC), 7D: 0.14289205 / 0.14708052 / 0.18400178 (5450 shares, 801.59 BTC), 30D: 0.14289205 / 0.18072094 / 0.58814383 (5900 shares, 1,066.25 BTC)
mircea_popescu: FabianB a ok
pigeons: yes opengl doesn't have some of the same positioning microsoft's directx has, but opengl is ued on windows
mircea_popescu: i was just thinking one could make a single codebase that's then independently compilable by os
FabianB: qt and gtk are kinda cross OS too; packaging is some work though for windows
mircea_popescu: but maybe that isn't the best way
jonny3: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
FabianB: mircea_popescu: the code can be done in a single codebase, but not the packaging
pigeons: ncurses
mircea_popescu: FabianB well if you use win stuff for instance, that won't be compilable in linux
mircea_popescu: lol ncurses
mircea_popescu: if mpex gui ends up as a wine supported thing ima shoot myself
pigeons: yeah wine has a lib for exactly that, building cross-platform gui apps
mircea_popescu: somebody just mentioned it here :p
smickles: lol, opengl. Let's make a 3d gui for mpex. heh, or maybe something like a minecraft interface to mpex :D
mircea_popescu: that's why i said
mircea_popescu: smickles hey, didn't you have a minecraft server ?
gabridome: thank you mircea that was really illuminating:"the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: gabridome :p
Namworld: Well that's pretty much what a DDoS is.
pigeons: i could go for telnet to an mpex mud
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a minecraft server
Namworld: Except the people are mindless zombies controlled by a hacker.
smickles: well, it's tekkit, specifically
mircea_popescu: smickles what do you want to build a mpex hq on minecraft ?
smickles: and we'll probably move to feed the beast
mircea_popescu: complete with being able to put in orders ?
mircea_popescu: pigeons make it!
smickles: heh, could be fun
mircea_popescu: indeed lol
mircea_popescu: i might even try out minecraft for this
mircea_popescu: Namworld i should have said "voters" shouldn't i have.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60399999 BTC [-]
smickles: the thing about minecraft mods is, text based ones are quick and easy, in-game gui ones are a bit tougher, and 'in-game in-game' ones take a lot of time
smickles: and a text one would be useless because it be like irc, but take longer open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.604 = 2.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles it's nothing but fun side-project really
mircea_popescu: if you ever felt like getting into game-making this'd be a great in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [+]
smickles: I did make a minecraft market mod which allowed players to buy and sell items/blocks at prices based on server-wide demand
FabianB: well java would be cross platform too, but no-one likes java guis (both users and developers)
smickles: ugly things those are
mircea_popescu: java is evil.
mircea_popescu: BUT
mircea_popescu: because of the way mpex works, the worst that can happen isn't really too bad at all
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30807, Best ask: 47.39936, Bid-ask spread: 0.09129, Last trade: 47.40000, 24 hour volume: 33231.78608909, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88175
mircea_popescu: smickles "a lot of work" is it because you need art made ?
smickles: naw, minecraft art is simple stuff, the issue is fitting it into play in a way that makes sence
FabianB: and on top: GUIs attract people that need a lot of support; telling someone to type XY into a commandline is easy (can be copy/pasted); telling someone to first click on Y, type X and point the mouse to Z is cumbersome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 499 @ 0.005884 = 2.9361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7176 @ 0.00588401 = 42.2237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9410 @ 0.00593938 = 55.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5415 @ 0.00598314 = 32.3987 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
mircea_popescu: FabianB this is very true
mircea_popescu: gui is really a stupid way to interact with numeric machines, but hey.
gabridome: what about a javascript platform? security not enough?
mircea_popescu: gabridome security is not an issue really, because the messaging itself is encrypted
FabianB: gabridome: already exists: coinbr.com
mircea_popescu: the only concern is not losing the user's gpg keys
gabridome: I use WebPG
mircea_popescu: as long as it doesn't get cracked.
smickles: just make the gui look exactly like bitcoinica did
smickles: ;;sell 20 btc @ 49.82 usd
gribble: Order id 13941 created.
gabridome: yeah. And there's also the esclamation point issue I couldn't deal with probably..
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 33191.53570187, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88337
mircea_popescu: aww i thought we're at 49.x
FabianB: good thing i did the IRC extension, coz it made me implement the interactive mode; very nice to work with mpex in its own shell
mircea_popescu: i actually think there is a new business model being born here.
gabridome: is it easy to install ruby on Mac?
mircea_popescu: offer saas to mpex users : give them a fixed ip vps and handle support for mpex connectivity
FabianB: gabridome: it's shipped with mac, but old version and yes it's easy
mircea_popescu: charge whatever
gabridome: thanks. Will give it a try
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
Bowjob: damn, litecoin
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves looks like its live http://bitbet.us/bet/297/litecoin-surges-to-02-bitcoins-per-litecoin/
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 62 @ 0.000725 = 0.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
gabridome: coinbr.com looks like down. Is it?
Bowjob: litecoin at 35 cents
Bowjob: damn
ThickAsThieves: still cant get my withdrawal from burnside...
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/298/mpex-co-still-offline-friday-march-15th/ lmao
mircea_popescu: who's the smartass
gabridome: FabianB:upgraded last version with brew (1.8.7) and tryed to install but:ERROR: Error installing mpex: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. Don't want to spam the channel but could you give me a way to support?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.005905 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what;'s the logfiles say ?
gabridome: mircea_popescu: that look like a challenge. I'ignore it
gabridome: I'd ignore it
mircea_popescu: lol. but seriously, it probably spits out something more useful in a log somewhere.
mircea_popescu: you're prolly missing some itam.
gabridome: I'llgo find the logs...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009989 BTC [-]
gabridome: xcode-select: Error: No Xcode is selected. Use xcode-select -switch <path-to-xcode>, or see the xcode-select manpage (man xcode-select) for further information.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is xcode
pigeons: apple's compiler/environment whatever
gabridome: ?m downloading the new version right now
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's vsa again?
pigeons: yeah use a computer not an apple
mircea_popescu: smickles volume in satoshi
pigeons: well an apple II is a computer, but not a imacbook
smickles: thx :)
mircea_popescu: pigeons so a sort of borland pascal ?
pigeons: TURBO pascal
mircea_popescu: heh i think pastebin.com is getting ddosed too.
pigeons: Delphi++
FabianB: gabridome: as the readme says you need ruby > 1.9 or 2.0
smickles: ok, it's privitive, but it's there:
smickles: $help vwap
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
smickles: $help depth
mpexbot: smickles: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC.
benkay: nice
benkay: $depth
mpexbot: benkay: http://pastebin.com/pNPn50Nk
smickles: benkay: there is also $post to send mpex commands, if you didn't know already ;)
benkay: i am familiar
benkay: thank you
benkay: do you have a moment to answer some rando questions, smickles?
smickles: go ahead :)
kakobrekla: what is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?
mircea_popescu: unswallowed ?
pigeons: do you like gladiator movies?
mircea_popescu: how many memes are there ?
mircea_popescu: hmm, smickles has failed to answer our questions. this is clearly a scam
mircea_popescu: there has been a full minute elapsed already.
smickles: philosophically speaking from a radical skepticism point of view, the answer to all of those is "i don't know"
mircea_popescu: $post U4KC19nM
smickles: :P
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/5ZNPXqdz
mircea_popescu: it's official, mpex is using new signature
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
Bowjob: so mp, doing any LTC mpex soon
mircea_popescu: make sure you update if you haven't already.
mircea_popescu: Bowjob nah
Bowjob: i find it baffling it reaches 35 cents
mircea_popescu: mania.
Bowjob: considering it's a get rich quick
Bowjob: scheme..
Bowjob: heck they openly admitted it on litecoin.org until recently
Bowjob: lol
ThickAsThieves: ozcoin is already #2 pool
ThickAsThieves: so much for that bet maturing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days conspicuously absent
kakobrekla: ;;getrating benkay
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net .
benkay: hence my request :)
kakobrekla: ;;rate benkay 1 mpex socket subscriber
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: my first rating!
kakobrekla: congrats :)
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 mpex socket hookup
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
benkay: thanks
gabridome: Pardon FabianB: seen just now. There's no brew formula for ruby 1.9. I guess I have to wait...
ThickAsThieves: ah my mistake the chart i was viewing says top pools that are 'asic ready'
ThickAsThieves: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/
mod6: Hey all. So I think I'm just gonna play with this thing a bit today, but it should be a lot less testing in here. I'm gonna change this thing so when it just sits in here, it looks for a msg from the owner defined by a pgp keyid and it'll verify with gribble via keyid & hostmask & if authenticated currently.
mod6: Then it can just msg mpexbot and get the stuff back without the additional join/part spammyness.
mod6: That code from yesterday worked, but kinda fucks a donkey.
mod6: =)
deadweasel: i wish the devs I work with were as honest as you.
benkay: only mod6 smiles about fucking donkeys
benkay: humility
deadweasel: i dunno, donkey shows are pretty big in the mexico
benkay: my favorite coders are ultra humble
deadweasel: mine too
benkay: i seek to emulate that
deadweasel: i'm lucky, my team is quite humble, except for the crappy two. they fuck everything up and spend a whole sprint doing one shite feature.
benkay: fire them
deadweasel: which everyone else fixes in the next sprint
benkay: are they shit or juniors?
deadweasel: I think she is leaving, I saw her updating her resume last week, AT WORK.
deadweasel: she is not bright.
deadweasel: juniors
benkay: sad
benkay: but *could* they be trained into high performers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01111 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.0111 = 1.0989 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm only moderately competent due to the generosity of senior engineers at every firm i've ever been a part of.
benkay: w/r/t time, energy...
deadweasel: no. :(
benkay: fire them.
benkay: what kind of shop do work in?
mod6: lol, its been so long since i've written anything that interacts with irc. its kinda fun to write something like this. 250 million internet years ago, when the aol ice caps were still melting, I used Net::IRC a bunch, but now its deprecated. :/
mod6: this new lib seems to do the trick though
deadweasel: the aol ice caps, lol
deadweasel: theres a few left, adrift in the north seas, they're like retarded unicorns
mod6: haha
mod6: yes.
FabianB: gabridome: yep, wait or use http://rvm.io or compile yourself
deadweasel: i cringe when someone has @aol.com email
gabridome: FabianB: I've succeded to compile it with the new version of Xcode!!! Now it gives me errors about No definition for rb_s_gpgme* maybe is the ruby version...
deadweasel: benkay: it's an AGILE/SCRUM team about 12 big, doing vetconnectplus.com
FabianB: gabridome: with xcode? ok.
FabianB: gabridome: well, you need > 1.9
deadweasel: it aggregates data from local vetinary machines and labs sent to regional labs, displays it altogether one historical graphs for vetinary diagnoses
FabianB: and gpg needs to installed
benkay: WHAT DEADWEASAL LETS GET BEERS
benkay: assuming you're working out of the idexx facility in portland
deadweasel: haha, yes
benkay: omgaweseom
deadweasel: westbrook
benkay: omgawesome
mircea_popescu: lmao
deadweasel: benkay: where are you?
gabridome: Sincerly FabianB: thank you for your assistance but to manage more than one version of ruby or to compile Ruby on a non Linux environment is much further my knowledge. I'll wait a bit if brew issue a new formula for Ruby
FabianB: gabridome: np
gabridome: ruby
gabridome: np?
gabridome: ah no problem.
gabridome: what
FabianB: if i'm around i like to help, but i probably won't support 1.8, since it's old and no good irc libs out for it
FabianB: also in a high speed train right now, not really stable internet :)
gabridome: yeah I guessed it. better to wait for better libs
gabridome: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ on line! Am I drunk?
benkay: nope
FabianB: Rick__: ^^
benkay: *cheers*
mircea_popescu: sweet.
mircea_popescu: applause for jurov.
jurov: oh, that remains to be seen
gabridome: clap clap. Is it possible to remove:"The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011" it looks strange... ;)
mircea_popescu: strange, how ? :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 99 @ 0.1737 = 17.1963 BTC [+]
gabridome: I swear I swear that I wanted to bet...
gabridome: I have to modify my shell script..
gabridome: changed my shell script: https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: did the mpex ddos'er at least pay a subscription fee to MP?
Lyspooner: seems unfair if not
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner lol how do you figure ?
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla, mind changing the topic ?
smickles: "These keys are only used when there are other recipients given either by use of --recipient or by the asked user id. No trust checking is performed for these user ids and even disabled keys can be used."
smickles: lol, woops
jurov: Lyspooner, like, he issued gigabytes of STAT requests?
smickles: gabridome: pull request ;)
maximian: FabianB: your mpex gem is excellent
smickles: oh hey mircea_popescu, you should ident and repost the new keyid
mircea_popescu: okay
smickles: so we know it's fo' realzies
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: (you know it was published ion trilema a while back)
smickles: did not know, is trilema back up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b6fd8223825264e5fc51a61232399173363cd6a3672c77d8374c3e7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: aha. ok so : new mpex key 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
mircea_popescu: also mpex.coinbr.com back online
mircea_popescu: smickles nope
smickles: mpex PUSH is awesome :D
dub: coinbr still down though eh
pizzaman1337: why a new key?
dub: not processing orders anyway
pizzaman1337: I noticed it was rejecting my orders
pigeons: cause he's too lasy to extend expiration
mircea_popescu: dub make sure you're using new mpex key/
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 cause the old one expired
mircea_popescu: and it was too short anyway
kakobrekla: like ziz?
dub: mircea_popescu: using coinbr ont the proxy
dub: not*
mircea_popescu: a, coinbr sucks, don't use it
gabridome: smickless: remember to change youKeyID and to put eventually the esclamation point
mircea_popescu: dub but seriously, will be back momentarily.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2758 @ 0.00598314 = 16.5015 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't seem to be able to find that key for me, would you mind posting the key block somewhere?
mircea_popescu: sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018523/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018524/plain/
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7
pizzaman1337: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018525/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018527/plain/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018529/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018530/plain/
kakobrekla: !mp http://dpaste.com/1018531/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1018532/plain/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: nice to see S.DICE up a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did it work ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499998 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.60499999 = 1.815 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: who what where?
kakobrekla: the bot, works.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a kk.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.60499999 = 2.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.00599989 = 5.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.006 = 9.924 BTC [+]
gabridome: mircea_popescu:the new key is 1024 long and has no expiry date. Is it ok?
pigeons: dont bother asking the fingerprint, just the lenght and expiry date
mircea_popescu: it has no expiry date but it's 4kb
gabridome: key ID: 14460196CFE0F3E1?
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: bot to arb S.DICE on mpex/havelock?
FabianB: maximian: thanks, if you have any suggestions i'll constantly try to improve it
mircea_popescu: gabridome sounds right.
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 it should be done, but depth is kinda meh
pigeons: speaking of
pizzaman1337: yeah, really small
pigeons: topace_: looks like your mpex transfer script needs to look for the sig by the new mpex key
gabridome: so I guess gpg tools keyring doesn't read well the lenght(?) mmhhh
kakobrekla: pigeons doing manual arb?
gabridome: I've got to check something
mircea_popescu: gabridome the old one was 1k/4k
mircea_popescu: im sorry. 1k/2k
mircea_popescu: thios one is 1k/4k.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
gabridome: yeah..Beg your pardon. You should be tierd to answer question to newbies. I didn't check the subkeys...
mircea_popescu: i don't mind
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000725 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00549 = 0.1922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 12 @ 0.00066 = 0.0079 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00585 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 37 @ 0.00999 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
maximian: Here's something interesting - the average SatoshiDice bet size doesn't appear to relate to the BTC/USD exchange rate as many assume. Analysis by dooglus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1606184#msg1606184
gabridome: I've updated the shell script with the id of the new key https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00585 = 0.0878 BTC [-]
maximian: it could be that the rise in the exchange rate is being offset by more players
mircea_popescu: maximian interesting.
mircea_popescu: when was that released ?
maximian: today
mircea_popescu: might explain the s.dice surge
maximian: could be… we might see a nice recovery back to the .0070s
pizzaman1337: big wall at 0.00622500 though
maximian: yep, and trade volume is still light. probably no big moves without some news.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
maximian: still, nice to see some some demand return
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1799 = 0.3598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.23 = 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: yea, i need to get that new key in there
topace_: gotta find the details on it.. since mpex is down i dont know where to look
topace_: (mpex.co website down, i mean)
topace_: is there a working mpex proxy besides the bot here?
MJR__: lol mined 50 Ltc last night dumping it now
topace_: can't even get to mp's blog to get the gpg key data
MJR__: yeah I miss polimedia
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]
jurov: https://github.com/jurov/pyMPEx new mpex key was not done properly, changing mpex url via -m commandline switch
mircea_popescu: topace yes, mpex.coinbr.com works
mircea_popescu: also, key :
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7
mjr_: whats up jurov how you been?
mircea_popescu: i mean topace_ ^
mjr_: that was a nice experience, ltc into btc-e, traded for btc, and gone back to coinbr in less than a half hour
jurov: mjr_ well, i got sick of the whole situation (as if i catched cold)
mjr_: what situation?
topace_: mircea_popescu: please confirm fingerprint: 3D57 448E 80A5 6F64 F1D3 5E8F 1446 0196 CFE0 F3E1 ?
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1 yeh
FabianB: released mpex cli 0.4.5 which includes new mpex key in default config, basic orderbook in http and irc version (https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex)
jurov: mjr_ had to very quickly move whole site and learn how amazon ec2 works
FabianB: if there are existing users: key can be changed in ~/.mpex/config.yaml
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]
topace_: pympex keeps telling me invalid signature,. but i have the new one in my keyring, and its signed
topace_: oh its telling me to email you my public key first
topace_: 2013-03-10T16:21:04.028098 Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.
FabianB: topace_: did you edit in the new one in the source?
jurov: topace, did you upgrade to my versionabove?
topace_: jurov: yes i did just did a fresh git clone
mircea_popescu: hm
pizzaman1337: pympex works for me, I just edited the key. Make sure you sign the new one too.
topace_: ah there we go
topace_: got it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0059998 = 11.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.602 = 3.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.601 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.600002 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: mpex transfer should work again now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.59 = 2.95 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: what that, two klins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.59 = 4.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 31 @ 0.1853 = 5.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.18521 = 1.4817 BTC [-]
dub: rule 1 of amurika, thou shalt not disparage driving around in a circle http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/racing/news/20130308/nascar-fine-denny-hamlin-las-vegas-preview/
mircea_popescu: dub the funny thing is, one of the things american ppl in england tend to mock is the roundabouts
mircea_popescu: and yet...
deadweasel: i'm american, I love roundabouts
mircea_popescu: well maybe i was stereotyping unwarrantedly.
MJR__: gonna drive straight, then turn to the left
dub: turning right is the devils work
MJR__: did you see that South Park?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: so i just got a push receipt, that validates, but there arent any extra units in my account to account for the push?
mircea_popescu: that is strange. let me look
mircea_popescu: ;;ident topace_
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@CPEc0c1c03be745-CM00407b85cf6f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: id please ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.0059998 = 0.36 BTC [-]
topace_: 08AEAC40F3086E6131B39762A49472A32D4FCE50
mircea_popescu: if you can't id with that i'll have to ask you to sign something.
topace_: ;;ident topace
gribble: Nick 'topace', with hostmask 'topace!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
pigeons: ;;ident topace_
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
topace_: hmm guess i never setup gpg with gribble
mircea_popescu: sign a short explanation, date it, limit it and pastebin
mircea_popescu: "this is to prove key ownership over irc session 10 mar 2013 not valid for any other purpose"
topace_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603186/
mjr_: how do i link a btc address with gribble?
mjr_: ;;identr
gribble: Error: "identr" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: so i can't find any info on the wiki about adding a bitcoin address
Azelphur: Josh_Rossi: care to elaborate on what you're trying to do?
dub: add btc address to his otc user I think
dub: ;;guide
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
pigeons: its ;;changeaddress
Josh_Rossi: thanks guys
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i got it, i thought that was going to change my pgp address
dub: the docs are retarded
Josh_Rossi: but i realized that you are just changing the btc address from none to whatever
Josh_Rossi: well, i got that all taken care of
dub: so can you ident via bitcoin key now?
Josh_Rossi: i think so
Anduck: yes
Anduck: do ;;bcauth and when you get the string
Anduck: sign it with the btc addr
Josh_Rossi: but i already set up a script to do it with pgp
Anduck: then do ;;bcverify <string>
Anduck: bitcoin is so much better imo
Anduck: xD
Anduck: i havent touched my gpg since that
vampireb: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
vampireb: !ticker mpex s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594534 / 0.006 (30318 shares, 180.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0056036 / 0.006225 (414146 shares, 2,320.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616133 / 0.0069 (3639066 shares, 22,421.49 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: well, i kind of want to start using pgp for certain emails
Josh_Rossi: i had a long discussion with someone about how online identities may become much more valuable than social security numbers or drivers licenses
Josh_Rossi: because while you do need those
Josh_Rossi: you don't use them as often as you go online
mircea_popescu: certainly true.
vampireb: that's why you start creating few seperate identities
Josh_Rossi: and for the most part in real life, people trust you to be you cuz you look the same
mircea_popescu: moreover, if i lost my id i would be meh, send someone to get a new one
mircea_popescu: if i lost my gpg key i'd be like...
mircea_popescu: o god.
Josh_Rossi: hehehe yeah
mircea_popescu: there's no words.
Josh_Rossi: scary thought
error4733: amnesia
Josh_Rossi: is there some sort of certificate system?
error4733: car accident or what
Josh_Rossi: like key signing? or does gribble basically do that for us
Josh_Rossi: i mean fulfill the role that a key signing party would have fulfilled
Josh_Rossi: i literally feel like i'm living cryptonomicon
Josh_Rossi: i assume that everyone has read or is aware of that book...but if not it is amazing book about cryptography and digital currencies that was written before btc took off i think
mircea_popescu: Josh_Rossi you mean the wot ?
Josh_Rossi: yeah '99 it was written
Josh_Rossi: yes, does the WoT take the role of a key signing party
Josh_Rossi: or a certificate authority
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: rather than the nominalist approach, try the functional
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?
Josh_Rossi: lol, as of right now, nothing
dub: no, wot is just a wot
Josh_Rossi: or i guess more accurately, learn more about how trust and cryptography are related
Josh_Rossi: for example
Josh_Rossi: i saw MPOE-PR show a sig that verified that she was authorized to speak on behalf of MPOE
Josh_Rossi: So, I imported your key
Josh_Rossi: and verified that you signed it
mircea_popescu: aha
Josh_Rossi: but it also said something like "this message is signed by this key, but that does not mean that it is really him"
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense.
Josh_Rossi: no no no
mircea_popescu: what they mean is, anyone can create a key which would be named "Joe"
Josh_Rossi: someone with access to that private key
Josh_Rossi: yes exactly
mircea_popescu: however, you didn't identify the key by it being named joe
FabianB: Josh_Rossi: yeah stephensons cryptonomicon is a fantastic book
mircea_popescu: you identified it by my keyid. so...
Josh_Rossi: i guess they are saying that while that key is definitely valid
mircea_popescu: the label on it is arbitrary
Josh_Rossi: yes true
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: :p
Josh_Rossi: and in your case, it is known that that is your key
Josh_Rossi: but in the case of someone else
mircea_popescu: ya hence the key signing parties and whatnot.
Josh_Rossi: all i know is that they say "this is my pub key"
mircea_popescu: originally these keys were invented for and used by people whose real world presence was more important to each other
mircea_popescu: gpg kinda predates the internet
Josh_Rossi: yeah
Josh_Rossi: just checking if i understood it correctly
Josh_Rossi: i trust that they key i used was really you
dub: for us it doesnt matter if its really him
Josh_Rossi: and then i can see that the key actually signed that statement
dub: or that he is who he says he is
mircea_popescu: that's the idea, whart dub says
mircea_popescu: you're not really verifying that the key is really this bloke in timisoara you couldn't care less about
mircea_popescu: you're really veryifying that the key signing here is the same key signing there
mircea_popescu: as for instance on mpex etc.
Josh_Rossi: yes of course
mircea_popescu: so it's an identity in that more mathematical sense, not in the more psychological sense of the term.
Josh_Rossi: that is what i was trying to say, that it is consistent across different channels
Josh_Rossi: the same person who runs mpex also wrote a statement saying that mpoe-pr is authorized to speak on its behalf
mircea_popescu: yah
mircea_popescu: if that matches, it could be called obama for all you care.
Josh_Rossi: yes
Josh_Rossi: true
Josh_Rossi: i'm trying to build a ticker now using websockets
Josh_Rossi: but the rest of the front end uses C#