Bowjob: this is looking more like a 600 BTC heist
Bowjob: and 30,000 dice share heist
MJR_: yeah, they aren't doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves
MJR_: but they are using their time to do those stupid tasks
MJR_: Attract new customers
MJR_: mostly have your article reposted with a Forbes.com or CNN.com domain attached
MJR_: ok guys I am switching to my real name
Bowjob: Hasn't been online since the 4th
Bowjob: he was due for march 8th for his first payment
Bowjob: there should be some internet at least
Bowjob: he works in alberta,.. yah its like 34 dollars per hour there
Bowjob: mcdonalds people make $14 per hour
Bowjob: but rent there is very exp
Bowjob: ill stay in vancouver lol
Bowjob: also, again he's late in his first payment thats defaulting right there
Bowjob: "Short BTC600 @ $34.50"
Bowjob: oh and thats just principal
Bowjob: dude his dice short isnt much to cover for it
FabianB_: still a little rough, but works for me
Bowjob: around march 22 we should see something interesting
mircea_popescu: seems cablepair was well known scammer ?! is this factual ?
Bowjob: thats where coinlab starts playing
Josh_Rossi: do you calculate based on last or on bid?
FabianB_: didn't try it on non-unix systems yet, hope it works there too though
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: and cause of slippage buying 40k takes avg price more to like 59.5
Josh_Rossi: ooh, when does he have to settle his position?
Bowjob: I weep for Basic victims
Bowjob: but I laugh at BFL victims.. I seem to be irrational
Bowjob: Stockholm syndrome is hilarious
Bowjob: it was tradefortress for 7k, and some random dude at 30k
Bowjob: i just skimmed thru it, asic miner, popped?
Bowjob: im watching max keiser.. show. he seems like a nutjob over btc
Bowjob: i mean i want btc to go as much as the next person, but he seems shady
kakobrekla: he mentioned before, but now he met everwhores
Bowjob: i dunno. max seems like a used car salesman
Bowjob: and a snake oil peddler
Josh_Rossi: I said earlier that he sounds like he's on meth
smickles: bitcoin jesus? i'll just go back in my hole
Josh_Rossi: also, he loves btc, but I don't think he knows a lot about them
Bowjob: i tell my friends every now and then about bitcoin.. but i dont say i'll be rich over it
smickles: once, at a beer pong table, I was called jesus. I forgave them.
mjr_: lol my whole office asks me every day
mjr_: so where are they at today?
mjr_: a coworker wanted to short them
Bowjob: how much are asicminer shares now
mjr_: so at first he told me that we should just say that i would owe him a dollar for every dollar it goes down and he would owe me a dollar for every dollar it goes up
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90177 / 1 (166 shares, 149.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
mjr_: I was too nice and told him I didn't want him writing naked calls
Bowjob: so almost 1 btc [er share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
Bowjob: isnt that kinda too high
mjr_: like I know my risk it's $45
mjr_: you could be on the hook for millions
mircea_popescu: mjr_ why not just use the mpex options i don't get it ?!
mjr_: he doesn't have any bitcoins
mjr_: and I already use the mpex options
mjr_: that was before it had hit 32 I think but I don't remember
mircea_popescu: so if he doesn't have btc, why are we talking to huim lol
mjr_: like I said he's my coworker
mjr_: now I want to set up the pgp signature
Namworld: BTC was worth 45 USD all that time, just no one knew about it...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i like how this channel jumped to like 130 users lately.
benkay: what's in the !mp output - a dump of the current order book?
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
benkay: "returns the response from MPEX order" - means that i can place orders via dpaste (given encryption etc)?
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "mdepth".
mircea_popescu: and if you want details of individual symbols in easier format here, benkay
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3738644 shares, 23,038.26 BTC)
mjr_: ;;gpg eregister JoshRossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
mjr_: so now I'm part of the web of trust?
mjr_: I meant ability to be trusted not trusted yet
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not really, just speak very little
Bowjob: so is ian bakewell a scam or not
gribble: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.
jMyles: So - I'm not sure if I'm being too forward by asking this - is there a way to invest in asicminer?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: chinese traders asking you and the faq translater where mpex went?
jMyles: (and to see what kind of activity is happening?)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ no, just wanted to see about how sucky the chiense version is
mircea_popescu: there's a btct passthrough and a bitfunder passthrough.
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.69 / 0.90312 / 1 (165 shares, 149 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)
jMyles: mircea_popescu: but it looks like the passthroughs have only paid two dividends?
Bowjob: we've been oddly stable for a while now
Ukto: assbot doesnt support it
Bowjob: the bids look weak however
mjr_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2c057cc8dff074ee13a20df82b057767f81844e56105610c250b4618
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans
Bowjob: this is calm before the storm. come monday theres gonna be a shitstorm
Ukto: mircea_popescu: yeah, but its being changed due to request
Ukto: and its low priority
Ukto: whereas websocket is ready
Ukto: i am debating not doing get/post anymore
Ukto: and leaving it purely to websocket
Ukto: to keep load off the server
mircea_popescu: we're going to end up with a third party interpreter here ?
Ukto: get/post is so archaic
Ukto: websockets are far far superior. lets get with the times :)
mircea_popescu: whatever way you do it, it pisses me off when i can't ticker.
mod6: (15:00) < BitOTTer755> $vwap
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
FabianB_: it's still pretty ugly and needs refactoring, but it's there and it works
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, his is Ruby but might come in handy...
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ aren;'t you concerned by the numerous breaches lately ?
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not at all, all those braches are Rails related
FabianB_: and of course a commandline client doesn't need any web stuff
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ the concern is that some unwittign user may be running a web server on his home computer w/o knowing
mjr_: rape is rarely expected
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: not through my code, only if my code (or a library i use) is itself insecure or if that user is integrating it into his lame ror
benkay: i would expect at least one rorbro to do something like that
mircea_popescu: benkay at least it's been publicly mentioned, it's known about etc.
mjrIII: ok now i can try to get this WOT thing working
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: actually it started as a more featureful alternative to pympex for me; used it for a while
FabianB_: i just added the IRC stuff today
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
aethero: what's the latest on mpex?
Josh_Rossi: ;;gpg eregister Josh_Rossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3
aethero: Expected ETA for the site itself?
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: aethero there are bots trading here. there will be an onion up, but im not sure tor can take the load.
mircea_popescu: there is a 10gb dedicated connection with muchly beefed up setups coming online asap.
aethero: ever going on clearweb again
mircea_popescu: there have been problems with supplying the hardware and so forth. I think next week is a safe estimate
mircea_popescu: aethero anyway, proving that mpex can work w/o website is an important point here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 720 @ 0.18196843 = 131.0173 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but i would like to add an address to it
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f37b219dbeef705e0d0715acbc922c60d94b6b639c29a17c94779ac
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7752 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
mod6: (16:21) < BitOTTer569> PasteBin Key: C1dT6RrM
mod6: yeah. the old Net::IRC is like uber deprecated
mod6: just changing these scripts to be able to connect to IRC and issue a command, get a response, parse it, then grab the URL or Key parsed, grab the raw data from the paste, and then display.
mod6: haha, i rolled my own
mod6: well, with this lib: POE::Component::IRC
mod6: so that has all of the commands and some subroutines to help with connect and sessions, etc.
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
mod6: thx mircea_popescu, ima keep working on it for the next few days. hopefully get it to a spot that's pretty functional.
mircea_popescu: mod6 isn't it funny that as you make progress mpex also adds shit ?
mod6: yeah its good though
mod6: ima keep going here. thx guys.
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00547927 / 0.006225 (500573 shares, 2,742.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616216 / 0.0069 (3735257 shares, 23,017.26 BTC)
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5949999 = 1.19 BTC [-]
BitHub: whats the price for asicminer today fokes?
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
BitHub: !ticker m asicminer-pt
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)
BitHub: selling my asicminer shares for 1.8 each
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jcpham: What is asicminer paying per dividend
Josh_Rossi: you can see i have identified as Josh_Rossi
mircea_popescu: so mjr can identify as Josh_Rossi and for gribble mjr will be Josh_Rossi for as long as mjr doesn't part.
Josh_Rossi: going to be hard to get an ident script working with my phone
Bowjob: eight ball says so lol
Josh_Rossi: so basically how it works is that NickServe and gribble BOTH maintain separate identity for a given user
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Bowjob: ;;eightball is Ian Bakewell a scammer?
Bowjob: We will test eightball's honesty
Bowjob: ;;eightball Did I play with myself lastnight?
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
mjr_: well that didn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.18345453 = 183.4545 BTC [+]
mjr_: how am i supposed to decrypt my OTP from my phone...i mean i could write a program that does it, but it is tough
mod6: yeah, i'm re-building all scripts to interact with the bots.
mod6: and mainly what i can make work in this one is gonna go into the end thingy, whatever it becomes
mjr_: hmmm but i thought he was doing it for android
mod6: lol, doing it for that too, but now that's gonna be all f'd up
mjr_: i just meant i have an iphone
jborkl_: Ok, I finally figured it out- key managers are conflicting
mod6: thanks again guys, just needed to make sure that i could ping mpexbot and get the respone and all
mjr_: this is funny though...to me at least
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
jborkl_: No, it is not- they are a pain in the ass
mjr_: ok my iphone is at least jailbroken so let's see if we can get gpg :)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 316 @ 0.18372792 = 58.058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 38.36519878 / 50.18328999 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 16,402.55 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mjr_: yep, i think that is so far the best leading indicator i've seen
mjr_: so, i have gpg on my iphone now
mjr_: but i really don't want to go back and forth between a terminal window with a touchscreen and colloquy
mod6: ok sorry guys, but after 10 mins the pastebin expires, gotta re-conn and get a fresh one
mod6: im now getting back the raw vwap, just need to make sure that I'm parsing correctly as before...
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074892 / 0.00078628 (10680545 shares, 7,998.94 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (58685013 shares, 40,184.02 BTC)
mircea_popescu: in other news, the #bitcoin-assets log for this current month (9 days!) is over 1mb
mod6: mircea_popescu: i just feel bad for the conn/dis-conns
mod6: but check it out ;)
mod6: ok one more quick test, i'll check a different MPSIC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ddos is one of the better things that happened to mpex so far
mod6: ok i cleaned that up, now i gotta do one more test then i can check it into github for yall
Bowjob: What do you guys think of google glasses
mod6: (just vwap is finished for now, will finish others over next few days...)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.54224, Best ask: 47.89850, Bid-ask spread: 0.35626, Last trade: 47.89858, 24 hour volume: 46494.02049522, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.71103
mjr_: i know, i was hoping for a dip
mircea_popescu: where's the coinlab pr spam with "mpex indomitable, btc surges"
mod6: anyway, im ciked that was so simple. can't do more must find a cold pizza to eat somewherez!
mjr_: just realized that now mpex is only for mpex registered people...
mjr_: from market data perspective i mean
mjr_: do the other commands not come encrypted?
mjr_: hold on i am gonna try it out
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00074997 = 1.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27999 @ 0.00074998 = 20.9987 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what commands are available for the mpexbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00074999 = 29.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19317 @ 0.00075 = 14.4878 BTC [+]
benkay: what does vwap stand for?
mjr_: volume weighted average price
benkay: volume weighted average..
mircea_popescu: you can also inspect these one at a time with assbot's !ticker
mjr_: lol, was just thinking about back in the days when we were discussing mpex fee being around $450
mjr_: and just realized that it will now be around $1500
mircea_popescu: the usual consumerist "o, i'll just wait" is suicide here.
mjr_: hmmm that is a good point
mjr_: this is a whole new world
Bowjob: I nominate pirateat40 for the documentary
mjr_: typically...if you wait, prices usually fall
mjr_: on most consumable things
mjr_: but in a bitcoin economy, the opposite may be true until you can finally do most of your transactions in bitcoin
benkay: assets denominated in btc just keep increasing in price
mjr_: in which case you would still be paying the same 30 btc you would have before
mircea_popescu: back in april 2012 when it was introduced fee was like, 100 bux irrc
mjr_: oh...i emailed freenode and asked if they would accept bitcoin donations
mjr_: they only take credit card and paypal right now
mjr_: and i mean, it is pretty much exactly what they believe in as far as distributed systems and freedom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
benkay: where did homegirl running MPOE-PR pick up all dat econ?
mircea_popescu: benkay she is ocassionally allowed a quiet seat at the board meetings.
benkay: mircea_popescu: preferred capitalization MPEx or MPEX?
Bowjob: money printing exchange
Bowjob: does it it suck for people with bad calls and puts
mpexbot: benkay: (post <paste key>) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.
Bowjob: i remember a 500 BTC squeezed out of a poor speculator
Bowjob: from the 26 to 20 dollar flash crash
mircea_popescu: Bowjob end of jan somebody got wiped for like 5k actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [-]
Bowjob: Buy and hold, doesnt cost a dime
mircea_popescu: i think the record is that one time when s.dice got sold to like 0.0008
mircea_popescu: we mostly came to the conclusion it must have been a msitake
Bowjob: that was an 80k USD mistake
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm aware of the email and irc channels for posting trades to MPEx, are there others I'm not aware of?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
Bowjob: and of course this being the wild wild west of finance
Bowjob: they cant.. they cant reverse it
mircea_popescu: i had mentioned that if the worst comes to worst we will take it to email,
benkay: thanks for the clarification. is irc then the only channel over which you're accepting transactions?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 46.95900, Best ask: 47.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29100, Last trade: 47.33203, 24 hour volume: 47013.01597736, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.74036
mircea_popescu: other than that there are private proxies available atm, and the public irc bots.
Bowjob: "I wish I had bought some when they were cheap :(" - On the current events forums of gamefaqs
benkay: is one more robust than the other? do you prefer to receive over irc?
Bowjob: I was telling them about BTC since it was 13 dollars..
mircea_popescu: this is a difficult question tho, robust by what standard ?
benkay: some arbitrary heuristic?
benkay: your team's hunches about these things?
mjr_: yeah i think this is a great system
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0056 = 0.0112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.24110904 = 241.109 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21525757 = 215.2576 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.19052144 = 190.5214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16701309 = 167.0131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14485191 = 144.8519 BTC [-]
mjr_: i managed to import your pub key mircea
mjr_: still getting used to gpg
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aand we're officially over 200k option contracts traded this month.
mjr_: does anyone know how to type the double barred B
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33318 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 23 @ 0.21 = 4.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.215 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23978602 = 239.786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21402821 = 214.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1893874 = 189.3874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16597581 = 165.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14391278 = 143.9128 BTC [-]
MadSweeney: mpex being dos'd can be ironically considered a milestone ;-)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.53000, Best ask: 47.54224, Bid-ask spread: 0.01224, Last trade: 47.53000, 24 hour volume: 48358.44194382, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.90546
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will BTC rise higher this week?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
Bowjob: Someone offered me 112 BTC for my Avalon
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23956955 = 239.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21382268 = 213.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1891934 = 189.1934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16579394 = 165.7939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14374371 = 143.7437 BTC [-]
Bowjob: MadSweeny do people use BTC in the philippines?
Bowjob: id imagine people earn lik 1.5 BTC for 1 month
Bowjob: whats the average salary there
Bowjob: k, maybe 4 BTC im guessing
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.2390698 = 239.0698 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21335791 = 213.3579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18876427 = 188.7643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16540104 = 165.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.1433876 = 143.3876 BTC [-]
Bowjob: I havent really paid attention..what does it mean
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.68083871 / 49.87693675 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 17,066.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mjr_: cool thats what i was figuring
mjr_: lol i just realized that i had kleopatra installed already and i was doing everything from the command line
mjr_: yeah i figured someone was hedging something with those
benkay: all the way down to 47...
mircea_popescu: if coinlab etc had a clue they could actually insure their coins
mircea_popescu: so they could deliver to customers rather than cancel orders
Bowjob: put options.. meaning they expect btc prices to go down.. to 47?
mircea_popescu: person is basically saying "btc will stay over 50 the entire month, and maybe even over 55"
mircea_popescu: you can tell cause the bids were taken out not the asks
mjr_: no selling a put = buying a call
mjr_: if you are "short" a put
mjr_: it is a bullish move
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.595 = 5.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.599 = 1.198 BTC [+]
mjr_: so if you think something is going up you can sell puts and collect premiums and buy calls as well
Bowjob: nice recovery on havelock
Bowjob: i sold at 0.75, lets see what happens
mjr_: some people sell puts in order to buy calls (lowers their cost)
Bowjob: They should have taught me this in hs
Bowjob: but if they taught me about this in hs, there wont be time for shakespear
mjr_: shit they should teach people what a debit and a credit is
mjr_: i was actually thinking about trying to create a web based class
mjr_: like kahn academy or something about finance
Bowjob: thankfully, unlike most of my 20 year old contemporaries, I had this fine idea of saving more than i've been spending
mjr_: that is a smart idea
benkay: the whole education stack needs to be online
Bowjob: and i put it in bitcoins
mjr_: but not when you have rampant inflation
Bowjob: before they blew up from 13 dollars
mjr_: so in your case smart
Bowjob: and i did put in what i can lose and just write off
benkay: don't fixate on short term
BitHub: selling asicminer shares 1.8 each get at me
benkay: do you want to do the trading thing?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: what is the capital requirement for someone to sell the amount of puts we just saw
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84999 BTC [+]
Bowjob: mhm, lets just say i'm "interested" not sure yet
Bowjob: i'm an owl for now. just observing
benkay: what kind of work do you do?
mod6: sorry about the in and out, but it works better now, does both depth and vwap -- its all in one code file now too.
mod6: depth output successful
kakobrekla: is that in and out going to be a casual thing ?
mod6: na, i need to figure out how to msg the bot directly :/
mod6: heh, this doesn't work quite like that
kakobrekla: ya but if we have 10 people using the script and all joining and parting
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.52311, Best ask: 47.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37689, Last trade: 47.92886, 24 hour volume: 49410.60996836, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.95456
mjr_: so, that guy just collected 948 bitcoins
mjr_: whoever sold those puts
mjr_: the bot bought them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
mjr_: what's the equation for collateral?
gribble: There are currently 3929.1374 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 188482.186888 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds
gribble: There are currently 33194.542 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1619455.56147 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.2957 seconds
Chaang-Noi: it si trhe weekend and we are trucking on up.... crazy
mjr_: s.dice is back up too
Chaang-Noi: o kinda wan t to just walk away from btc land for a month come back and see what is going on...
mjr_: i am actually trying to mine litecoin
mjr_: not because i particularly like them
mjr_: but because i can send them to btc-e
Chaang-Noi: many many gpu miners will mine and support ltc now asics
dub: does cpu mining still work for ltc?
mjr_: lol it hasn't worked for me
Bowjob: Stupid move on my part, I sold 10k LTC
Chaang-Noi: it works but like cpu mining in btc dont do it:)
Bowjob: maybe I should buy back
mjr_: well...if you move them to btc-e
mjr_: you can get access to better prices
mjr_: i just don't like the other funding options
mjr_: to clarify: i meant you could end up with more bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23838313 = 238.3831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21271752 = 212.7175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18817119 = 188.1712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16485623 = 164.8562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14289205 = 142.8921 BTC [-]
mjr_: ;;calc 239+213+188+165+143
pizzaman1337: every time the bot puts up more blocks they're taken out
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i have to imagine that your bot buys them as part of a hedging strategy
Namworld: Who's selling that amount of puts...
mod6: sorry guys, just a few more tests..
mjr_: no worries...to be honest, i think you can just turn off showing joins and parts
mjr_: i know you can in colloquy, but not sure about MIRC
kakobrekla: but thats like turning off 1 satoshi txes
mjr_: no i didn't mean you
pizzaman1337: in order for that person to "cash out" they need to buy puts back, right?
mjr_: i meant you can send them, but i can not display them
pizzaman1337: and what exactly happens when they autoexercise?
mjr_: do they always autoexercise?
mjr_: thought they would only do that if they are in the money
mjr_: they probably will just expire worthless
pizzaman1337: but if they expire worthless, than means they made pure profit because they don't have to buy back worthless options?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ well, if they're not in the money they just dissapear
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to like 55 and stays htere, all the btc he got selling he keeps
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to 40, he's on the hook for the difference
pizzaman1337: what if the diff is greater than the amount of money he has?
mjr_: you technically expose yourself to unlimited liability when you write options (at least calls)
mjr_: but usually you have to have something to back against the most likely scenario
mjr_: thats why i was wondering the specific collateral requirements
Namworld: With a call, you need to put up 1 BTC collateral so it's always 100% covered
mjr_: it varies doesn't it?
Namworld: For calls, their value tends toward 1. For puts tho, their value tends toward the infinite.
mjr_: hmmm yes when writing them
Namworld: For example, if price becomes 1/1000 of the put's strike, the put would be worth 1000 BTC
Namworld: If it goes to a lower fraction, even more.
mjr_: my point is that since you COULD be on the hook for millions of bitcoins
mjr_: how many are required
Namworld: They're not fully covered. It would require infinite BTC.
mjr_: but what is the capital requirement
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 it can't be, cause he deposits collateral
Namworld: It varies depending on strike and current rate/BTC
mircea_popescu: Namworld they are fully covered, since you do put up enough btc to cover for the put in usd atthe time you write it
mjr_: just for example...let's say the vwap hits $100
mjr_: and you sold puts at $50
mjr_: wait reverse that lol
gribble: Error: "48.5" is not a valid command.
gribble: There are currently 17873.054 bitcoins offered at or under 48.5 USD, worth 863731.319966 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.7354 seconds
kakobrekla: maybe from the sam guy who sold the puts
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I think I understand it all, thanks. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.
mjr_: so anyway, let's say the vwap is 50 and you sell puts at 50, the price drops to 25
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: but wouldln't that person want the price to increase?
kakobrekla: yes pizzaman1337, 04:37.38 ( kakobrekla ) now to be removed
mjr_: each contract would be liable for 2 bitcoins right?
Namworld: AActually in my example earlier, I think it should have been 999 BTC
Namworld: you get your fraction with x and remove 1 to that.
Namworld: Since at strike value, the put has 0 value.
mjr_: my point is just this...if you sold the put, and the price goes up 10x
Namworld: put is worth 0 so 0 collateral is eaten.
mjr_: but if it drops to 0
mjr_: i think i see what mircea was saying
Namworld: So you must pay an infinity of worthless BTC...
jborkl: you can only write covered options, no naked
pizzaman1337: "You don't hold enough assets to trade even one single unit of that MPSIC. Sad, sad, sad." < lulz
mircea_popescu: fortunately because btc is small and fiart is large it is kinda trivial for me to insure against that
mircea_popescu: so if btc goes to zero outstanding puts just get setrtled in fiat
mircea_popescu: anyway if btc is zero nobody would want to be settled in btc
Namworld: except you pay infinity x 0 USD per BTC...
mjr_: i am going to do some exploring on a pairs strategy
Namworld: if the price is 0.01 and strike is 1, you pay 99 BTC at 0.01 cent each...
Namworld: The lower the price goes, the more you owe. But the less the BTC costs to cover those larger BTC amounts.
mjr_: although that is true...
mjr_: technically if you need btc in order to unwind your position
mjr_: and have to buy it on the open market
mjr_: someone would have to sell it
mjr_: and if you are obligated to buy a lot
mjr_: you could be pushing the price up
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
mjr_: i was going to say that the other possibility is that you can cover the position very easily with another option
mjr_: if you sell one call for every put
mjr_: i meant buy a call for each put sold
mod6: hmm, ok well anyway, it works, kinda.
mod6: needs more work, but gotta run for now lol
mjr_: i was just looking at the last one, really great job mod6
bgupta: Hey is it ontopic to discuss pricing of bitcoin denominates securities in this channel?
bgupta: mostly wondering about ASICMINER share and their passthrough derivates.
mjr_: lol its all we talk about really
mjr_: bitcoin is finance porn
benkay: bitcoin is disruptive tech porn
mjr_: mod6: no prob, it is really really cool
mod6: right on heheh. its awesome just to see it work, kinda lol
mjr_: whats interesting is that we are sending our GET requests via irc
mjr_: and retrieving a dynamic web page at a different address
mjr_: i think that is really cool
mod6: oh, so the bummer so far is... i maybe shouldn't have done a commit in there and had left those files to be still able to interface with mpex or a proxy in a way thats outward facing... if that ever happens again
mod6: cause with that, it was still tor capable
mod6: so i'll probably just re-introduce those files if/when that happens so tor may be utililzed
bgupta: so back when btw rallied from zero to about 10 it caught my attention… and I made a decision to invest in gnu mining gear. by the time I got my gear up and running it had spiked up to to 30+ and then crashed… I ran my rigs at a loss for almost a year, but when the algorithm changed, I decided that investing the wrk to reprogram them was a loser and shut it all down.. I managed to hang onto a minuscule 500 b
mjr_: i kinda thought that maybe you could host the website on tor with no order functionality
mod6: anyway, just thought yall should know what was happening.
bgupta: held it fallow for the past year or so… but the recent spike in price got me wondering if spinning up made sense (I decided no since the a sic stuff is imminent)
mod6: mjr_: that is pretty neat-o huh :)
mjr_: do you get cheap electricity bgupta?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: also i can host a mirror if you like...it will be pretty tough for them to take out a GAE instance
mod6: ok, i'll reintroduce those files with needed changes as that approches. that'll be awesome
bgupta: In the past no, unfortunately…. now… I have a partner willing to pay electricity if I provide hardware and we split proceeds 50/50.. I think it's a loser for him though.. mircea_popescu yes sorry not reading what I am typing..
mod6: i have basically only accessed mpex over tor since you moved it all over to that early last year
mod6: its always been fast for me
mircea_popescu: if by hardware you mean gpus bgupta it's a loser for him. and prolly for you too.
mjr_: well...not really for him, if he alrady has the hardware
bgupta: well… they are paid for… so not really
mjr_: he will just get to keep half of the small number of bitcoins he gets
bgupta: the loss will be a day of my time figuring out how to setup the softare
mod6: any amt of satoshi will be signifigant eventually
mjr_: i thought you already had it running?
mjr_: i am debating installing visual studio 2012 on my home computer
bgupta: I had it running was paying way to much for hosting in a real datacenter.. so shut it down last april when they changed the algorithm,,
mjr_: what do you mean changed the algorithm?
mjr_: if you mean when the pay rate halved
bgupta: mmm… existing miners had to upgrade the software..
bgupta: let me see if i can find the deets
bgupta: yeah bitcoind changed… and all pools and miners had to upgrade
bgupta: my pool at the time didn't upgrade and shutdown.. and since I was losing close to 50% at the time (due to the ridiculously low price of btw at the time) I followed them
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
bgupta: I probably mined close to 10k coins while I had my rigs up.. but only managed to walk away with 500 btw after all was said and done..
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732757 shares, 23,001.76 BTC)
bgupta: don'w know why I keep doing the same type
Bowjob: mhm. what will happen to SR when mt gox stops their service to NA
bgupta: Guessing NA is north america?
Chaang-Noi: anyone here selling off some of their btc and buying something crazy? or are we all just holing untill $1000 plus?
dub: Chaang-Noi: im thinking about turnign some asicminer into a truck
bgupta: I am willing to sell my premium domain for 4000 btc..
Bowjob: it better start with mt. and and with gox
Chaang-Noi: dub i did that already, traded my car in and got a truck
bgupta: If it was USD I'd want a bit more, but it is a digital only transaction, so I'm willing to do it for a little less
bgupta: unfortunately the folks that would be interested don't deal in btc
bgupta: Quick question in the flow… Are BitFunder, btct.co and apex the main securities exchanges ATM?
bgupta: $0… registered it before they charged for registering domains..
bgupta: been paying whatever a year for the standard domain registration..
Chaang-Noi: im sure its a good name but you are going to have to hit the right people to get that much out of it
bgupta: well I had it appraised for $250,000.. but to sell it, i'd need to put a lot of time into adverttising, and likely need to retain a domain broker.. and then take a huge hit on taxes..
bgupta: realistically if I tried I could probably pocket close to $200,000
bgupta: It's the most valuable thing I own, and it goes up about 7% a year in value
bgupta: (Well other than my apt)
mjr_: my friend who owns an it consulting company said that that is his biggest regret
mircea_popescu: and wth, it boggles that anyone'd pay 200k for a domain.
bgupta: well not an individual for sure..
bgupta: think startup or large company
mjr_: 200k is not much for a big company
bgupta: they don't even allow people to register two letter domains any more.
mjr_: i meant as part of a budget involving web presence
bgupta: memorable domains are getting harder to come by...
mjr_: that is a scarce resource
mjr_: when i was looking into getting a domain name for my site
benkay: ad buys are made by advertisers
benkay: they don't think like that
mjr_: it is hard to get a one word domain
mircea_popescu: no "memorable domain" has a site worth anything on it.
mjr_: and getting those domains
benkay: coca cola's ad company isn't smart enough for that shit
Chaang-Noi: i hold tygrr.com and bitcoins.lc not really worth a whole lot.
benkay: they're herd followers
mjr_: i got btcshares.com
mircea_popescu: did any of the large btc players bother with it ? nope.
mjr_: bitcoins are still very new
mjr_: i bet that domain will be very valuable in the future
mircea_popescu: there's people in btc that can afford 200k for a domain.
mircea_popescu: i bet it will be very valuable in the sense 10 bucks are very valuable.
benkay: their capital is best put to work in profitable ventures
bgupta: well we are a bit different in that we use irc and weirdly named forums for most of our info. we seek out knowledge
dub: btc.com is too generic, like dollar.com
dub: you don't want that for a brand
bgupta: yeah the problem with too generic is they aren't trademarkable.
bgupta: which means you can't build a company or a brand around them
dub: sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010
benkay: spend your energy on creating value
dub: insure.com for $16mn
benkay: capture a small fraction
benkay: don't wager with your life work
mjr_: typically we think of being creative
dub: man up and use it for a shock site tbh
bgupta: yeah.. I've been holding it, because one day when I do a startup, I want a unique domain name to do it with.
mjr_: but that is way harder for some people than just throwing money at stuff
benkay: that domain's taking up too much of your brainspace
mjr_: i am just saying that domains are valuable, cuz people want them
benkay: if you're wasting cycles on thinking about domains
mircea_popescu: <dub> sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010 << and it never generated 1mn of revenue in its entire lifetime
benkay: you're not going to be successful in running your own business
mircea_popescu: i am aware the domain name scam people are really working hard to make their coolaid credible
benkay: not in a high-competition, high-growth, environment
mjr_: benkay: that is the point, most people do not want to own their own business
mircea_popescu: but a ny times blog hit is nothing in this discussion.
benkay: i get it man, i get it
bgupta: The reality is google kinda made domain names less relevant.. that and the fact that browsers changed how they deal with stuff you type into the address bar.
benkay: doesn't mean i don't think that putting it all on a specific slot on the fucking roulette table is a good idea
dub: yeah for most people google is the address bar
benkay: i infrequently type domains
mircea_popescu: the way to go is just invent a name and use that as your tm and domains
dub: yep, and remember bookmarks? lol
bgupta: point is that if I worked really hard I could sell it for $200,000, or if I worked even harder, I could build a kick ass business with a cool domain name that's easy to type.. I have time for neither atm.
benkay: ca <arrow down> <arrow down> <enter>
benkay: aren't there things you'd enjoy working on more?
bgupta: if someone flush with btw wanted to take it off my hands I'd be cool.. but that's a side bar..
benkay: it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for
bgupta: Yeah sure.. I run a LUG.. which I LOVE.
dub: its probably worht throwing a thread up about it
bgupta: I do OSS stuff, love that too
benkay: what's your profit center?
dub: the great thing about bitcoin is there is no shortage of idiots, some with too much money
benkay: true of any market of a reasonable size
mjr_: dub: yep, the market fixes that situation
bgupta: I do consulting which is a brutal business.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for << this.
bgupta: mmm.. to make a dollar you need to sell a body, brutal.. no real leverage, no real product.
dub: tis potentially a nice way for someone to cash out $200k of btc too
benkay: mircea_popescu: the best part is that everything i get checks for, i also learn new skills that multiply my rate
bgupta: dub what forum would I post it to if I wanted to pursue?
dub: bgupta: the bitcointalk market or auction forums
bgupta: benkay: I run a small consulting company.. it's not just me… so most of my time is spent doing business stuff not learning
benkay: i've seen that happen man
benkay: i've never seen someone run the shop and still make commits
Bowjob: stupid parents took my piano away
mircea_popescu: "Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation,"
bgupta: The one thing I do like about it is the flexibility...
benkay: i get to bill anywhere i am
benkay: boss-folks like to see my face from time to time
bgupta: I get to pick my priorities..
benkay: but it's part of my mystique that i show up at the office kind of randomly
bgupta: been growing my lug and getting some pretty cool speakers..
benkay: what's the appeal in the lug?
dub: benkay: I had that at ibm, nobody (besides customers) had any clue what I did
bgupta: I get to onsite awesome folks to NYC to talk to a bunch of geeks
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30215, Best ask: 47.30587, Bid-ask spread: 0.00372, Last trade: 47.30215, 24 hour volume: 50842.40617608, 24 hour low: 43.60001, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.10288
Bowjob: by "crashing" i mean volatility
bgupta: so the real reason I can into this channel was to ask what folks think about ASICMINER shares, and the passthrough variants.
bgupta: I perhaps overshared, and for that I apologize, I;m a bit too open that way.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
the-bucket-shop: I've not looked at numbers for asicminer but I've met people at meet ups that seem to like it alot
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
bgupta: trying to value the shares, as they are starting to climb… faster than I can transfer btc out of mtgox (which is where has been my wallet for the past year.)
bgupta: I set that up ages ago… not sure if it's enabled
gribble: Nick 'bgupta', with hostmask 'bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com', is not identified.
bgupta: thanks for the link will read..
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01398 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'jborkl_', with hostmask 'jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01999 = 0.3598 BTC [+]
bgupta: so one thing I discovered is once the initial asicminer investors have been paid dividends drop by half.. since the real investors own half of the whole thing.
gribble: Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is identified as user jborkl_, with GPG key id 3ABA925F1676E0DA, key fingerprint BEDA499D84B3F11FAC2C98C13ABA925F1676E0DA, and bitcoin address 1assBEfKxpuhv3HdYfQwf9h2TR43DwVke
bgupta: considering initial investors bought shares at ~0.1btc that should happen sooner than later
Bowjob: ... stupid fucking parents taking my piano downstairs
Bowjob: bpjhwsipghsipfghipaefghiaef
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Without asking you to divulge too much roughly what part of the world are you in?
Bowjob: i swear i have rage building right now
bgupta: mircea: Is there a way to buy straight up shares of asicminer, without doing passthrough stuff?
bgupta: err: mircea_popescu ^^
bgupta: what does that mean they "blew a listing"
Bowjob: I feel so violated.. that piano is my personal one
mircea_popescu: think of it in these terms : company pops up, doesn't list on nyse, lists on pink sheets
Bowjob: theres a second piano downstairs that i do not care about
bgupta: SO the muse thing that everyone bitches about the 30btc thing.. that's just a one time thing, no?
bgupta: ok.. that would make trading difficult for me if it was a trading cost.
mircea_popescu: "everyone". hm. it's more of a "everyone that's bitching about it is bitching about it".
dub: bgupta: there are lots of otc asicminer trades happening, check the auction forum
dub: bgupta: friedcat (asicminer guy) is timely about transferring etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, there's a large assignment market in it too, otc.
bgupta: err.. lot me clarify "everything that bitches" means "everyone that bitches about mpex"… I believe that's the biggest complaint. and I'm ok with it…
mircea_popescu: i thought the biggest complaint was that i'm not nice.
bgupta: I am ready to buy sink 300 some odd btw into asicminer.. these penny-ante exchanges aren't quite cutting it.
bgupta: very cool. sorry for being oversharing.
bgupta: (Realising that 300 btw is penny-ante)
bgupta: the sharing of internet complaints..
Bowjob: I'll warn them next time they try to pull this shit again, I will yell at them so that all the guests will hear it.
mircea_popescu: lol that's not a problem, the internet was born to kvetch
bgupta: mircea_popescu: are your trades listed publicly? IE: do I need to buy in to see traffic?
bgupta: fuck it's all a gamble
mircea_popescu: all the earlier excitement about the trading puts for instance
mircea_popescu: twitter.com/mpex1 or you could just follow the twitter.
bgupta: Ohhhh… was gonna ask what these things are..
bgupta: me hates me some derivatives. (unless of course.. I am issuing them)
bgupta: mircea: I am looking for a "stock exchange"
bgupta: json is human readable.. but… I need to whip out cli shit to deal.. one moment.. (I'm slow)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (89317 shares, 66.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074889 / 0.00078628 (10735832 shares, 8,040.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068483 / 0.00078628 (58572634 shares, 40,112.83 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732756 shares, 23,001.75 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
bgupta: gotcha… ok I have to admit, I think the shit futures/options/derivatives are gonna make a number of folks very rich, I wish we could leave all that baggage behind is in the fiat world. We don't need wall street and hedge funds and institutional folks to "help us along"
mircea_popescu: how do you expect btc to work without financial instruments.
mircea_popescu: just because your master stripped you naked and beat you with a whip doesn't mean there's no need for whips in this new state you're making "for freedom".
bgupta: fair enough… they have their utility.
Bowjob: some serious resistance this is
bgupta: meh… guessing price is gonna need to consolidate a bit.. before it can go up again
bgupta: it's had an amazing run… (I think it's not gonna collapse below 20 or so… but that's just me).. I think it has huge potential
bgupta: I've starting thinking about things in btw… not USD… it's hard
bgupta: how do i get post access on bitcointalk??
bgupta: I get "be odd on newbie: but that's %^&ing retarded.
bgupta: ok my typing has suffered tonight as I drank a bottle of manzanilla
bgupta: the-bucket-shop: Like mods are retards x 5? <jk>
the-bucket-shop: no, I would add +1 to each retard mod. multiplying will put you way over
bgupta: ok now have posted two
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]
bgupta: although (sidetracked now)… They probably don't
the-bucket-shop: problems in the litecoin community? I don't follow the news there, but would love to hear complaints if any.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC crash?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.34445, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 51372.27442917, 24 hour low: 43.70101, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.15373
bgupta: ltc will go wonky one way or another when all the gnu miners drop out of btw and point at ltc.
Bowjob: ;;eightball Will LTC rise in value?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005884 = 2.942 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bgupta, doesn't mining difficulty push coin value up with it?
bgupta: Bowjob.. a big chunk of BTC miners are gonna be mining LTC so...
bgupta: supply and demand is what ultimately drives value
bgupta: demand just deals with one end of that equation.
bgupta: err difficulty just deals with one end of that equation.. and that's supply.
ThickAsThieves: ltc has a use just in that you can play it against btc
ThickAsThieves: as long as people mostly stay focused on 1 alt-coin, it will do well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 49.80381297 / 50.5311083 (no shares, 17,228.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.28030, Best ask: 47.30009, Bid-ask spread: 0.01979, Last trade: 47.30009, 24 hour volume: 38523.58082220, 24 hour low: 44.30000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.52796
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok so : jurov's coinbr has been nuked too, for the 2nd time. working on maximian's idea atm, probably back online soon.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000725 = 0.0718 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 38 @ 0.000725 = 0.0276 BTC [+]
gribble: I have not seen ineedausername.
AndChat567216: It's perhaps discussed already... but why not a MPEX proxy as TOR hidden service?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: AndChat567216 the concern is that may cause trouble to tor.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00194 = 0.0485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.005884 / 0.005884 (500 shares, 2.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00557643 / 0.006225 (387228 shares, 2,159.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3723806 shares, 22,946.81 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: is there someone i can bug to process manual withdrawals from BTCT/LTCglobal
kakobrekla: at this rate you gonna have to update that bitbet proposition soon
ThickAsThieves: wouldve been another 3000 if burnside did use Flintstone withdrawal method
ThickAsThieves: i guess if i had more monitors i could set up some for charts
ThickAsThieves: but still serve about 60 websites and 25 clients as designer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
pigeons: why are there still designers? we have bootstrap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: what kind of design are you looking for? i could dig up relavant samples
Namworld: lol... everybody use basic bootstrap only! A la GLBSE.
Diablo-D3: the newest version of foundation actually looks nice
Diablo-D3: too many flakey devices that get css wrong
Namworld: What? How would it not be worth it?
Namworld: That's not even a good reason.
Diablo-D3: Namworld: if you want your website to look correct on every device ever, yes, it is a good reason
Namworld: The same can be done manually...
Namworld: Plus bootstrap doesn't support everything...
Diablo-D3: bootstrap supports everything worthwhile
Diablo-D3: and supports a lot of older mobile browsers that really should just be tossed in the trash
Diablo-D3: dude, I've written frameworks like bootstrap and foundation before, you haven't
Diablo-D3: its a pain in the fucking ass, and not worth wasting your time on
Diablo-D3: if a team wants to dedicate their shitty little lives to it, let them, it saves me the time of having to hit phones with hammers until they work
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I fucking hate it and I'm seriously considering replacing mine with a static blog
Diablo-D3: do like some git cron job or something
ThickAsThieves: you hate it personally, and/or you think others shouldn't use it?
Diablo-D3: Ive ran a wordpress blog for like 7 or 8 years now
Diablo-D3: it makes me hate php more and more
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: they shouldn't, its a security hazard
Diablo-D3: this is why I run it on an isolated vps
Diablo-D3: just so it can't fuck other shit up
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its easy to explain to a plumber
Diablo-D3: "wordpress is written in php, php makes it easy for you to write code wrong so hackers can come in and fuck your website up"
Diablo-D3: "because they're assholes, Bob, they're assholes"
Diablo-D3: if you name your kid bob, he will grow up to either be a plumber or an electrician
Diablo-D3: but yeah, storing your blog statically in git and then outsourcing the comments to a service
Diablo-D3: would really cut down on the bullshit
pigeons: lots of sites i dont realize they have comments cause they use javascript to display them from a 3rd party service
Diablo-D3: pigeons: er, except said 3rd party services email you on comment
Diablo-D3: unless they explicitly set it up as moderation, then thats fine
pigeons: that's why i use your email address
Diablo-D3: lol but its gmail and gmail filters like a baus
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 32 @ 0.00564 = 0.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00565 = 0.2825 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00567 = 1.701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.005709 = 0.0571 BTC [+]
FabianB: Rick__: still only here on irc
Rick__: when will it be back on line?
Namworld: No one can know... it's being DDoS'ed
Namworld: Whenever however is DDoS'ing it stops.
Rick__: mircea cant do anything with the "ddos"?
Rick__: what if the ddosing wont stop?
jurov: i'm working on bringing mpex.coinbr.com onlinw with amazing powers
jurov: hopefully others, too
Rick__: looking forword to have mpex.coinbr.com back
mircea_popescu: Rick__ as i said, there;'s more hardware coming online, and meanwhile trading works through the bots
mircea_popescu: also possibly of interest to you, FabianB has released an equivalent of pympex capable of going through the irc bots
smickles: mircea_popescu: would you mind if '$vwap s.dice' returned what one might expect?
smickles: ooh, what's this FabianB thing?
FabianB: smickles: it's like pympex
FabianB: just a little smoother interface, more features and can talk to the irc bots
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:07 <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?
mircea_popescu: Mar 09 23:23:13 <mircea_popescu> such as !ticker m C600T
pigeons: did you turn normal during your time away from irc smickles?
Rick__: mircea,I can read English,but lots of computer things I dont understand,it's very diffcult for me
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok. basically, don't panic, we're working on it. even if ddos never stops.
pigeons: Rick__: do you need some trades executed now?
Rick__: just care about the website
pigeons: yes, we all cared about her, she's very pretty
Rick__: I invest hundreds of coin in it
Rick__: so basicly,when will it be back on line?do you have a schedule?
FabianB: problem with GUIs is that its majority of users are ms windows users
Rick__: If you thing I can understand
mircea_popescu: Rick__ ok lets see. suppose you have a shop somewhere. you make ok money selling things in your shop.
mircea_popescu: one day a customer comes in and says "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: your shop doesn't sell carrots. you tell him this. he leaves.
mircea_popescu: the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
mircea_popescu: the police wants to fine you because your shop is blocking the traffic
Rick__: okay,that's making sence
Rick__: yeah,want shot somebody!
mircea_popescu: ok so, what you do is either make a much larger shop, or make the shop location secret, or both.
mircea_popescu: i am doing both. however, building a supermarket is not instantaneous.
Rick__: so the carrot here,what exacly the hacker do ,
mircea_popescu: it should have been online by yest, but we ran into supplier problems. that's detailed here :
Rick__: okay,thank you very much
pigeons: dunno, i've played with OGLE for capturing geometry
FabianB: mircea_popescu: probably, but opengl is good for games and maybe charts, but not so much for normal guis
FabianB: mircea_popescu: it's useful for 3D stuff etc.
smickles: FabianB: looks nice, and good thing to add the ability to go via IRC :)
mircea_popescu: i understand that, but i mean... if it can do that why couldn't it do some window boxes
smickles: mircea_popescu: did kako say he wasn't going to make assbot 'hungry'?
FabianB: sure you can, but it's easier to do GUIs with QT, GTK, Cocoa or Windows native stuff
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1D: 0.14289205 / 0.14375761 / 0.14485191 (5000 shares, 718.79 BTC), 7D: 0.14289205 / 0.14708052 / 0.18400178 (5450 shares, 801.59 BTC), 30D: 0.14289205 / 0.18072094 / 0.58814383 (5900 shares, 1,066.25 BTC)
pigeons: yes opengl doesn't have some of the same positioning microsoft's directx has, but opengl is ued on windows
mircea_popescu: i was just thinking one could make a single codebase that's then independently compilable by os
FabianB: qt and gtk are kinda cross OS too; packaging is some work though for windows
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
FabianB: mircea_popescu: the code can be done in a single codebase, but not the packaging
mircea_popescu: FabianB well if you use win stuff for instance, that won't be compilable in linux
mircea_popescu: if mpex gui ends up as a wine supported thing ima shoot myself
pigeons: yeah wine has a lib for exactly that, building cross-platform gui apps
smickles: lol, opengl. Let's make a 3d gui for mpex. heh, or maybe something like a minecraft interface to mpex :D
gabridome: thank you mircea that was really illuminating:"the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".
Namworld: Well that's pretty much what a DDoS is.
pigeons: i could go for telnet to an mpex mud
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a minecraft server
Namworld: Except the people are mindless zombies controlled by a hacker.
smickles: well, it's tekkit, specifically
mircea_popescu: smickles what do you want to build a mpex hq on minecraft ?
smickles: and we'll probably move to feed the beast
mircea_popescu: Namworld i should have said "voters" shouldn't i have.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60399999 BTC [-]
smickles: the thing about minecraft mods is, text based ones are quick and easy, in-game gui ones are a bit tougher, and 'in-game in-game' ones take a lot of time
smickles: and a text one would be useless because it be like irc, but take longer open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.604 = 2.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you ever felt like getting into game-making this'd be a great in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [+]
smickles: I did make a minecraft market mod which allowed players to buy and sell items/blocks at prices based on server-wide demand
FabianB: well java would be cross platform too, but no-one likes java guis (both users and developers)
mircea_popescu: because of the way mpex works, the worst that can happen isn't really too bad at all
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.30807, Best ask: 47.39936, Bid-ask spread: 0.09129, Last trade: 47.40000, 24 hour volume: 33231.78608909, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88175
mircea_popescu: smickles "a lot of work" is it because you need art made ?
smickles: naw, minecraft art is simple stuff, the issue is fitting it into play in a way that makes sence
FabianB: and on top: GUIs attract people that need a lot of support; telling someone to type XY into a commandline is easy (can be copy/pasted); telling someone to first click on Y, type X and point the mouse to Z is cumbersome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 499 @ 0.005884 = 2.9361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7176 @ 0.00588401 = 42.2237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9410 @ 0.00593938 = 55.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5415 @ 0.00598314 = 32.3987 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gui is really a stupid way to interact with numeric machines, but hey.
gabridome: what about a javascript platform? security not enough?
mircea_popescu: gabridome security is not an issue really, because the messaging itself is encrypted
FabianB: gabridome: already exists: coinbr.com
smickles: just make the gui look exactly like bitcoinica did
gabridome: yeah. And there's also the esclamation point issue I couldn't deal with probably..
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 33191.53570187, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88337
FabianB: good thing i did the IRC extension, coz it made me implement the interactive mode; very nice to work with mpex in its own shell
mircea_popescu: i actually think there is a new business model being born here.
gabridome: is it easy to install ruby on Mac?
mircea_popescu: offer saas to mpex users : give them a fixed ip vps and handle support for mpex connectivity
FabianB: gabridome: it's shipped with mac, but old version and yes it's easy
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 62 @ 0.000725 = 0.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]
gabridome: coinbr.com looks like down. Is it?
gabridome: FabianB:upgraded last version with brew (1.8.7) and tryed to install but:ERROR: Error installing mpex: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. Don't want to spam the channel but could you give me a way to support?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.005905 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
gabridome: mircea_popescu: that look like a challenge. I'ignore it
mircea_popescu: lol. but seriously, it probably spits out something more useful in a log somewhere.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009989 BTC [-]
gabridome: xcode-select: Error: No Xcode is selected. Use xcode-select -switch <path-to-xcode>, or see the xcode-select manpage (man xcode-select) for further information.
pigeons: apple's compiler/environment whatever
gabridome: ?m downloading the new version right now
smickles: mircea_popescu: what's vsa again?
pigeons: yeah use a computer not an apple
pigeons: well an apple II is a computer, but not a imacbook
FabianB: gabridome: as the readme says you need ruby > 1.9 or 2.0
smickles: ok, it's privitive, but it's there:
mpexbot: smickles: (vwap [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.
mpexbot: smickles: (depth [<MPSIC>]) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC.
smickles: benkay: there is also $post to send mpex commands, if you didn't know already ;)
benkay: do you have a moment to answer some rando questions, smickles?
kakobrekla: what is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?
pigeons: do you like gladiator movies?
mircea_popescu: hmm, smickles has failed to answer our questions. this is clearly a scam
smickles: philosophically speaking from a radical skepticism point of view, the answer to all of those is "i don't know"
Bowjob: so mp, doing any LTC mpex soon
Bowjob: i find it baffling it reaches 35 cents
Bowjob: considering it's a get rich quick
Bowjob: heck they openly admitted it on litecoin.org until recently
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net .
kakobrekla: ;;rate benkay 1 mpex socket subscriber
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 mpex socket hookup
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
gabridome: Pardon FabianB: seen just now. There's no brew formula for ruby 1.9. I guess I have to wait...
ThickAsThieves: ah my mistake the chart i was viewing says top pools that are 'asic ready'
mod6: Hey all. So I think I'm just gonna play with this thing a bit today, but it should be a lot less testing in here. I'm gonna change this thing so when it just sits in here, it looks for a msg from the owner defined by a pgp keyid and it'll verify with gribble via keyid & hostmask & if authenticated currently.
mod6: Then it can just msg mpexbot and get the stuff back without the additional join/part spammyness.
mod6: That code from yesterday worked, but kinda fucks a donkey.
deadweasel: i wish the devs I work with were as honest as you.
benkay: only mod6 smiles about fucking donkeys
deadweasel: i dunno, donkey shows are pretty big in the mexico
benkay: my favorite coders are ultra humble
benkay: i seek to emulate that
deadweasel: i'm lucky, my team is quite humble, except for the crappy two. they fuck everything up and spend a whole sprint doing one shite feature.
deadweasel: which everyone else fixes in the next sprint
benkay: are they shit or juniors?
deadweasel: I think she is leaving, I saw her updating her resume last week, AT WORK.
benkay: but *could* they be trained into high performers?
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01111 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.0111 = 1.0989 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm only moderately competent due to the generosity of senior engineers at every firm i've ever been a part of.
benkay: what kind of shop do work in?
mod6: lol, its been so long since i've written anything that interacts with irc. its kinda fun to write something like this. 250 million internet years ago, when the aol ice caps were still melting, I used Net::IRC a bunch, but now its deprecated. :/
mod6: this new lib seems to do the trick though
deadweasel: theres a few left, adrift in the north seas, they're like retarded unicorns
deadweasel: i cringe when someone has @aol.com email
gabridome: FabianB: I've succeded to compile it with the new version of Xcode!!! Now it gives me errors about No definition for rb_s_gpgme* maybe is the ruby version...
deadweasel: benkay: it's an AGILE/SCRUM team about 12 big, doing vetconnectplus.com
FabianB: gabridome: with xcode? ok.
FabianB: gabridome: well, you need > 1.9
deadweasel: it aggregates data from local vetinary machines and labs sent to regional labs, displays it altogether one historical graphs for vetinary diagnoses
FabianB: and gpg needs to installed
benkay: WHAT DEADWEASAL LETS GET BEERS
benkay: assuming you're working out of the idexx facility in portland
gabridome: Sincerly FabianB: thank you for your assistance but to manage more than one version of ruby or to compile Ruby on a non Linux environment is much further my knowledge. I'll wait a bit if brew issue a new formula for Ruby
FabianB: if i'm around i like to help, but i probably won't support 1.8, since it's old and no good irc libs out for it
FabianB: also in a high speed train right now, not really stable internet :)
gabridome: yeah I guessed it. better to wait for better libs
jurov: oh, that remains to be seen
gabridome: clap clap. Is it possible to remove:"The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011" it looks strange... ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 99 @ 0.1737 = 17.1963 BTC [+]
gabridome: I swear I swear that I wanted to bet...
gabridome: I have to modify my shell script..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: did the mpex ddos'er at least pay a subscription fee to MP?
smickles: "These keys are only used when there are other recipients given either by use of --recipient or by the asked user id. No trust checking is performed for these user ids and even disabled keys can be used."
jurov: Lyspooner, like, he issued gigabytes of STAT requests?
maximian: FabianB: your mpex gem is excellent
smickles: oh hey mircea_popescu, you should ident and repost the new keyid
smickles: did not know, is trilema back up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b6fd8223825264e5fc51a61232399173363cd6a3672c77d8374c3e7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: aha. ok so : new mpex key 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1
dub: coinbr still down though eh
dub: not processing orders anyway
pigeons: cause he's too lasy to extend expiration
dub: mircea_popescu: using coinbr ont the proxy
gabridome: smickless: remember to change youKeyID and to put eventually the esclamation point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2758 @ 0.00598314 = 16.5015 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't seem to be able to find that key for me, would you mind posting the key block somewhere?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499998 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.60499999 = 1.815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.60499999 = 2.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.00599989 = 5.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.006 = 9.924 BTC [+]
gabridome: mircea_popescu:the new key is 1024 long and has no expiry date. Is it ok?
pigeons: dont bother asking the fingerprint, just the lenght and expiry date
pizzaman1337: kakobrekla: bot to arb S.DICE on mpex/havelock?
FabianB: maximian: thanks, if you have any suggestions i'll constantly try to improve it
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 it should be done, but depth is kinda meh
pigeons: topace_: looks like your mpex transfer script needs to look for the sig by the new mpex key
gabridome: so I guess gpg tools keyring doesn't read well the lenght(?) mmhhh
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
gabridome: yeah..Beg your pardon. You should be tierd to answer question to newbies. I didn't check the subkeys...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000725 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00549 = 0.1922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 12 @ 0.00066 = 0.0079 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00585 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 37 @ 0.00999 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00585 = 0.0878 BTC [-]
maximian: it could be that the rise in the exchange rate is being offset by more players
maximian: could be… we might see a nice recovery back to the .0070s
maximian: yep, and trade volume is still light. probably no big moves without some news.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]
maximian: still, nice to see some some demand return
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1799 = 0.3598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.23 = 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: yea, i need to get that new key in there
topace_: gotta find the details on it.. since mpex is down i dont know where to look
topace_: (mpex.co website down, i mean)
topace_: is there a working mpex proxy besides the bot here?
MJR__: lol mined 50 Ltc last night dumping it now
topace_: can't even get to mp's blog to get the gpg key data
MJR__: yeah I miss polimedia
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]
mjr_: whats up jurov how you been?
mjr_: that was a nice experience, ltc into btc-e, traded for btc, and gone back to coinbr in less than a half hour
jurov: mjr_ well, i got sick of the whole situation (as if i catched cold)
topace_: mircea_popescu: please confirm fingerprint: 3D57 448E 80A5 6F64 F1D3 5E8F 1446 0196 CFE0 F3E1 ?
mircea_popescu: 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1 yeh
jurov: mjr_ had to very quickly move whole site and learn how amazon ec2 works
FabianB: if there are existing users: key can be changed in ~/.mpex/config.yaml
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]
topace_: pympex keeps telling me invalid signature,. but i have the new one in my keyring, and its signed
topace_: oh its telling me to email you my public key first
topace_: 2013-03-10T16:21:04.028098 Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.
FabianB: topace_: did you edit in the new one in the source?
jurov: topace, did you upgrade to my versionabove?
topace_: jurov: yes i did just did a fresh git clone
pizzaman1337: pympex works for me, I just edited the key. Make sure you sign the new one too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0059998 = 11.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.602 = 3.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.601 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.600002 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
topace_: pigeons: mpex transfer should work again now
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.59 = 2.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.59 = 4.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 31 @ 0.1853 = 5.7443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.18521 = 1.4817 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub the funny thing is, one of the things american ppl in england tend to mock is the roundabouts
MJR__: gonna drive straight, then turn to the left
dub: turning right is the devils work
MJR__: did you see that South Park?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [+]
topace_: mircea_popescu: so i just got a push receipt, that validates, but there arent any extra units in my account to account for the push?
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@CPEc0c1c03be745-CM00407b85cf6f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.0059998 = 0.36 BTC [-]
topace_: 08AEAC40F3086E6131B39762A49472A32D4FCE50
mircea_popescu: if you can't id with that i'll have to ask you to sign something.
gribble: Nick 'topace', with hostmask 'topace!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.
topace_: hmm guess i never setup gpg with gribble
mircea_popescu: sign a short explanation, date it, limit it and pastebin
mircea_popescu: "this is to prove key ownership over irc session 10 mar 2013 not valid for any other purpose"
mjr_: how do i link a btc address with gribble?
gribble: Error: "identr" is not a valid command.
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None
Josh_Rossi: so i can't find any info on the wiki about adding a bitcoin address
Azelphur: Josh_Rossi: care to elaborate on what you're trying to do?
dub: add btc address to his otc user I think
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
Josh_Rossi: yeah, i got it, i thought that was going to change my pgp address
dub: the docs are retarded
Josh_Rossi: but i realized that you are just changing the btc address from none to whatever
dub: so can you ident via bitcoin key now?
Anduck: do ;;bcauth and when you get the string
Anduck: sign it with the btc addr
Josh_Rossi: but i already set up a script to do it with pgp
Anduck: then do ;;bcverify <string>
Anduck: bitcoin is so much better imo
Anduck: i havent touched my gpg since that
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594534 / 0.006 (30318 shares, 180.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0056036 / 0.006225 (414146 shares, 2,320.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616133 / 0.0069 (3639066 shares, 22,421.49 BTC)
Josh_Rossi: well, i kind of want to start using pgp for certain emails
Josh_Rossi: i had a long discussion with someone about how online identities may become much more valuable than social security numbers or drivers licenses
Josh_Rossi: you don't use them as often as you go online
vampireb: that's why you start creating few seperate identities
Josh_Rossi: and for the most part in real life, people trust you to be you cuz you look the same
mircea_popescu: moreover, if i lost my id i would be meh, send someone to get a new one
Josh_Rossi: is there some sort of certificate system?
Josh_Rossi: like key signing? or does gribble basically do that for us
Josh_Rossi: i mean fulfill the role that a key signing party would have fulfilled
Josh_Rossi: i literally feel like i'm living cryptonomicon
Josh_Rossi: i assume that everyone has read or is aware of that book...but if not it is amazing book about cryptography and digital currencies that was written before btc took off i think
Josh_Rossi: yes, does the WoT take the role of a key signing party
mircea_popescu: rather than the nominalist approach, try the functional
dub: no, wot is just a wot
Josh_Rossi: or i guess more accurately, learn more about how trust and cryptography are related
Josh_Rossi: i saw MPOE-PR show a sig that verified that she was authorized to speak on behalf of MPOE
Josh_Rossi: but it also said something like "this message is signed by this key, but that does not mean that it is really him"
mircea_popescu: what they mean is, anyone can create a key which would be named "Joe"
Josh_Rossi: someone with access to that private key
mircea_popescu: however, you didn't identify the key by it being named joe
FabianB: Josh_Rossi: yeah stephensons cryptonomicon is a fantastic book
Josh_Rossi: i guess they are saying that while that key is definitely valid
Josh_Rossi: and in your case, it is known that that is your key
Josh_Rossi: all i know is that they say "this is my pub key"
mircea_popescu: originally these keys were invented for and used by people whose real world presence was more important to each other
Josh_Rossi: just checking if i understood it correctly
Josh_Rossi: i trust that they key i used was really you
dub: for us it doesnt matter if its really him
Josh_Rossi: and then i can see that the key actually signed that statement
dub: or that he is who he says he is
mircea_popescu: you're not really verifying that the key is really this bloke in timisoara you couldn't care less about
mircea_popescu: you're really veryifying that the key signing here is the same key signing there
mircea_popescu: so it's an identity in that more mathematical sense, not in the more psychological sense of the term.
Josh_Rossi: that is what i was trying to say, that it is consistent across different channels
Josh_Rossi: the same person who runs mpex also wrote a statement saying that mpoe-pr is authorized to speak on its behalf
mircea_popescu: if that matches, it could be called obama for all you care.
Josh_Rossi: i'm trying to build a ticker now using websockets