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toki: Scenario : nanomechanical warfare evolved to a point where artificial pathogens become indistinguishable from superbugs or bioterrorism. Solution?
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BingoBoingo: toki: Solution is ???, Profit. Now for the important question: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
ben_vulpes: pretty serious risk of losing the emergency spillway apparently
ben_vulpes: stand back everyone i'm just going to deform the crust to perform a bit of geoatmospheric arbitrage
mircea_popescu: works where it works. not hydro power's fault all sorts of idiots wanna "make do with what they got"
mircea_popescu: the great "march of progress" narrative is fed off discrete bits. for instance -- the nile created a flood plain. for tens of thousands of years. not anymore.
mircea_popescu: every dick and jane's expectation that "we did it reddit" is the faint echo of, man walked on the moon and generally speaking drove a wedge forcing a reevaluation of the celestial peerage. "as eternal as the nile flood" is no longer equal to "as eternal as the tide".
Reuel: mircea_popescu your site seems to be down?
mircea_popescu: Reuel nah it's there. i suppose we've moved on to the 2017 testing of the infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: consider that this is done on the very last limb of a huge apparatus of idle losers, maintained at very great expense by a tooth and claw fight to prevent trump appointments! the spy ustate rebells! etcetera!
☟︎ Reuel: I like how you immediately take the mountaintop view there lol
Reuel: But it is some kind ddos then?
mircea_popescu: well, trilema has been online for a long time, eventually you get over the immediacy of it all.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every year some bright young derp comes up with this.
mircea_popescu: Reuel meanwhile confirmed, bout 20gpbs classic syn flood ; gear will be up and running in ~hour, come back then.
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
mircea_popescu: props to Reuel though, i think he noticed the same second it happened or some shit.
Reuel: I was looking for an article but forgot the name, in it you were talking about Eulora and most games being spreadsheets for people used to work spreadsheets or something like that
mircea_popescu: and in other hippy dippy weatherman, it's raining here with a purely tropical intensity. the city's going to be flooded again.
mircea_popescu: these idiots, they get entirely disrupted by admittedly heavy rains twice a year, they flail about helplessly on tv about it THAT DAY and that's that, that's it, go right back to their regularly scheduled dickholding and netflix.
diana_coman: they get...disrupted? from what? by the sound of it, they just get one day of tv out of it; only twice a year, too, how unfair
mircea_popescu: diana_coman can't get from point a to point b, what it usually means.
diana_coman: but that supposes one actually has some businesses going from a to b, some aim as in going exactly to b etc
mircea_popescu: well, perversely, it either presupposes THAT or else as the more commonly the case in socialist states (really argentina is what the us was aspiring to be with ronald mcclinton) that they have 0 business to do anyway. in which case not being able to do particular subset x of the pile of things you weren't going to do anyway somehow stands out.
mircea_popescu: it's only the people in the middle who have alternative, as it were.
mircea_popescu: if you do something now and again, flood can be welcome respite. if you do things all the time OR NEVER, floods are threatening, existentially.
diana_coman: hm, in total stillness any change is potentially threatening on an existential level, I can see that, yes
diana_coman: ftr each and every time I witnessed this sort of flailing it meant without exception that NOTHING was going to be done about it - people needed to let go of steam/put on a show/whatever but basically to avoid doing something about it
trinque: isn't there some bureau for this? call the ministry of inconvenient weather. it's not like we're some poor country without one.
trinque recalls the epic video of portlanders sliding down an icy hill one by one
mircea_popescu: !~later tell peterl since you're both in the field and unlazy, here's a thought - i would like to see a quantitative history of life in terms of biopumps. i dunno that this was ever done, and it's a crying shame.
☟︎ jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: what i mean specifically is that if we turned all biomass to ash today, life wouldn't be able to just start right back up with people in the way computers would. if i break all the computers nobody's making the pentium 1 all over again.
mircea_popescu: but if i physically extinguish life, it will have to go through its whole ontogenesis, not strictly because of gnosis problem (ie, WHO is doing the jumps ? life's extinguished, there's n oreserve medium) but because of a purely physical problem.
mircea_popescu: to have mammals, you need the citric pump. this may not exist, physically, until enough precursors have been built up. they can only be built up by specific metabolic processes.
mircea_popescu: which is why that ancient trilema article about my encounter with the aliens and the discussions re the nth roman empire and the perennial nature of the english language as well as more recently
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612893 and the coal in soil discussion.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 06:04 mircea_popescu: (guru meditation : whence does a tree's mass come from ?)
mircea_popescu: turns out that yes, there IS an endothermic reaction available for coal, but nevertheless that notwithstanding, there IS NO microorganism that takes soil coal and turns it into c02 and its own livelihood.
mircea_popescu: coal must be taken in the form of live tree, or live leaf, or recently dead tree, or leaf, or bug, or somesuch. not as charcoal.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now some of these pumps i know, but some, especially at the very early bacteria/algae/protist early history we probably do not know.
mircea_popescu: so therefore, a history of life in terms of "first, you gotta get natrium pump going, as seen in thiomargarita. then, when enough X is piled up, (no less than q) you can start xantophyl pump. when enough etc etc"
shinohai: someone has to keep the fires of auschwitz burning
mircea_popescu: shinohai the auschwitz reference is oddly on point, because it was the first large scale encounter with a problem very much in this vein : if body goes long enough without sufficient intake, it eventually digests the proteins thatmake up the intake manifold for its protein digestion cycle, resulting in a situation where the body is alive but not for long, even if you feed it it can't digest anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the advantage of the above approach, at least from a "teach smart kids biology, physics and systems design" pov, is that it scales extremely well. discussion can be made as short or as infinitely complex as the bright young mind has patience for.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The truly amazing part is that Los Angeles is just going to drink that puddle dry again
BingoBoingo enjoys reports saying "dam is fine, undamaged" While substantial parts of the dam (i.e. spillways) are damaged.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the part that matters is undamaged! celestial empire in the sky, untouched by the corruption of matter!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until the water does it's thing, topping and crushing dam with the weight of... mebbe 3 or 4 celestial hamplanets
BingoBoingo: Anyway, what's the problem. California was dry, now has water. Problem solved!
a111: Logged on 2017-02-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: consider that this is done on the very last limb of a huge apparatus of idle losers, maintained at very great expense by a tooth and claw fight to prevent trump appointments! the spy ustate rebells! etcetera!
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-13#1613506 << in none of the experimentation and blather through which i dug did anyone posit 'coal' as a carbon source. my limited understanding is that its role is threefold: surface area for bacterial colonization; surface area to ameliorate fertilizer runoff and leaching into the ground; and to improve porosity.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-02-13 14:29 mircea_popescu: coal must be taken in the form of live tree, or live leaf, or recently dead tree, or leaf, or bug, or somesuch. not as charcoal.
mircea_popescu: 7th year of nigger != 8th year of nigger. same as with prikoke, the lifespan of domestic animals is a very peculiar nonliniarity.
mircea_popescu: each day ~member of the family until the day it's member of the family meal.
mircea_popescu: hey, a family by definition has different ranking members.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the pseudoscientific gunk you reviewed does not form part of this discussion though, they're as irrelevant to anything to do with people as the chirping of the birds.
mircea_popescu: what, i'm going to engage it as if it were for reals, now ? they "posited" whatever random bullshit, might as well be on wikireddit for all the difference it can make irl.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-13 16:10 asciilifeform: in quite other noose,
https://archive.is/l7LmL >> e. voorhees apparently had been a loud, unabashed gavinist for ages
a111: Logged on 2017-02-13 16:45 asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: and in today's wtf, home directory size 3022328952, full backup package 12619700949.
mircea_popescu: guess what fails silently on "unexpected!!1" "too large!!" and your first choice is backup scripts.
mircea_popescu: apparently i'm the first lightbulb to have come up with the theory that IF (and this is a very doubtful if in the first place) your backup process should fail according to the size backed up, then it is logical for it to faill for it being TOO SMALL, not for it being too big.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thjing happens to me about every other project.
mircea_popescu: now, SOMETIMES, it's like in the case of the lisp ai, where i was lazy and didn't actually provision properly.
mircea_popescu: but this is relatively rare. generally, it happens because... uh...
mircea_popescu: bitch. what the fuck DID you think of using it as, a dildo ?
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a111: Logged on 2017-02-13 14:25 mircea_popescu: !~later tell peterl since you're both in the field and unlazy, here's a thought - i would like to see a quantitative history of life in terms of biopumps. i dunno that this was ever done, and it's a crying shame.
PeterL: when I google for "biopump", I just get a bunch of pictures of sexy womens' shoes
PeterL: but I get the gist of what you are saying
mircea_popescu: heh. but you understand what i mean yes ? biological processes are chiefly defined through turning one class of substance into a narrower other class
mircea_popescu: it's what "forensics" and "pathology" and everything relies on, pumpage differentials.
PeterL: The early earth astmosphere has been speculated to have been non-oxygen, before we could have aerobic metabolism first we needed a bunch of anaerobes shitting out oxygen, E.G.
PeterL: more biochemistry than what I usually think about, but still interesting.
PeterL: I'll put it on the list of stuff to think about.
PeterL: Gotta run, will be reading the log.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-10 00:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-09 07:49 mircea_popescu: "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"
mircea_popescu: could be played straight, title, description of the event, last line is "by the way this happened in 2013."
a111: Logged on 2014-09-08 22:35 mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 06:21 mircea_popescu: an old american moves to a thai village.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski first solid example of the tru power of crowd sourcing. except it's not exactly a crowd.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha is trump's secret agent codename "agent orange" ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: "hi i have a rudimentary understanding that some words related to mathematics exist and have spent too much time glomming strings together. please kill me!"
mircea_popescu: reminds me of those weirdo transforms in that weirdo wanna-be language we discussed recently.
ben_vulpes: hey i had a blast with quaternions once upon a time
ben_vulpes: "fuck, buddy. it's just a coordinate transform, you can handle those right?"
ben_vulpes: "a line was crossed" nobody can use active voice anymore, saying your enemy's name doesn't give him power over you witchcraft isn't a thing
ben_vulpes: "when core democratic ideals feel under attack" << core democratic ideals! feel! a+ "assuming the sale" right there
ben_vulpes: "on behalf of democracy, equality, human rights, social justice and sustainability" << sustainability!
ben_vulpes: in with these other words whose meanings have drained from them at the hands of leftists bloodletters
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Do you know what provides surface area and that bacteria <3 more than charcoal? Peat moss
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do i hafta buy it from a factory?
ben_vulpes: or does it come from some bog somewhere, extracted at rates far greater than the bog can replenish
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: More you buy it from a mine of sorts, usually in Canada, and the fact of its extraction is why you must buy it while it still is cheap
BingoBoingo: Well not necessary pile, just load it up into the soil. Then mebbe pile some up.
ben_vulpes: "are open to anyone who want to create a bright future that's rich with opportunity and freedom for all" << what if my bright future doesn't include towelheads, but it's still bright for everyone else, am i still welcome?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i will keep that in mind for that oft-dreamt-of-day when i'm unlikely to relocate in five years
ben_vulpes: not particularly interested in large scale soil amendment projects largely benefitting others
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Then make some raised beds and take it with you. Or buy bogmine in pete_dushenski fashion.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: funny you should mention raised beds, $girl finished the second yesterday.
ben_vulpes: of course to effectively transport the dirt i'm going to need to buy a trailer
BingoBoingo: It's the way to do it. Concentrate the good dirt.
BingoBoingo: Anyways pete may know someone with a bogmine to sell
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes rando eyeballs webshit trying to pr on top of the newsfeed. been going on since forever, not specifically more related ot the topic than the coca cola xmas edition
gabriel_laddel_p: are there any links in the logs that need special treatment for archival? Current list: download youtube videos & pdfs.
mircea_popescu: turning pdfs into proper (small, well formatted) html would be useful, cut adobe out of the document loop. videos meh.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you. pdf gets displayed somehow. html is a notation for display. convert.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so are we building the republican farms in costa rica ?
gabriel_laddel_p: what I think: if someone has js turned on in their browser, it's because they want js. If turned off, they don't want it. I, at least, want an-accurate-as-possible archive of whatever shows up in the logs, including arbitrary files, videos etc.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'we' are mitigating against the star topology in all sorts of stupid and entertaining ways