▁⏐︎▁▁▁▁▁▁ 9780
dub: Shares total: 1 bajillion/Shares Issued: tiny fraction/Issuer may arbitrarily manipulte share value: yes
Ukto: it states that all shares are verified with friedcat
Ukto: but your right
Ukto: I will get that changed
Ukto: terra went to be already tho -_-
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.002 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 84 @ 0.0019 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]
jurov: Any public votes presented by ASICMINER to all shareholders of ASICMINER may be voted on BitFunder towards a single decision by the G.ASICMINGER-PT shareholder account.
jurov: Ukto either there will be voting support or someone is due for a headache?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.00581 = 2.905 BTC [-]
Ukto: well
Ukto: supposedly there will be no public votes
Ukto: but just in case
Ukto: that was put in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3147 @ 0.00599998 = 18.8819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1853 @ 0.00599999 = 11.118 BTC [+]
jurov: better to just say shares have no voting rights
jurov: cuz trolls will be trolling inevitably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.624 = 6.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.6235 = 14.964 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.6221 = 6.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
jurov: OT: if anyone uses postgres, i recommend: http://postgres-bits.herokuapp.com . several things blew me away, like, it can store dictionaries
jurov: natively
jurov: and query them
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0059 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000789 = 0.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.621 = 3.726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 19 @ 0.0058 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00572 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 31 @ 0.00571 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.00799 = 0.799 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 100 @ 0.002129 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
topace_: anyone want to test pushing units from mpex to havelock?
kakobrekla: is it free?
kakobrekla: i dont even have havelock acc thb
kakobrekla: tbh
topace_: yup its free
kakobrekla: this is for arb or what?
topace_: yea, to allow others to get in on the mpex->havelock arbitrage
kakobrekla: cute
topace_: 1) push shares to my fingerprint
Eduard_Munteanu: Cool.
topace_: 2) paste receipt into havelock website
topace_: 3) i manually approve transfer (for now)
topace_: once im sure its working well, ill remove the manual transfer
topace_: or, only require it on very large transfers
kakobrekla: hmmm
kakobrekla: i mean the question here is y u open this at all
kakobrekla: you could just automate it
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: the arb
kakobrekla: no?
topace_: yea, i could
kakobrekla: well there some money on the table
kakobrekla: theres*
topace_: i think there needs to be a way for people to freely move shares between mpex and the passthru's and maybe even between the passthrus themselves
kakobrekla: ok imma gonna try this
kakobrekla: lets register
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 455 @ 0.00072 = 0.3276 BTC [-]
topace_: cool thanks
kakobrekla: Receipt is valid
kakobrekla: Your request to push 1000 unit(s) of S.DICE to Havelock Investments has been received. Push requests are currently processed manually (so expect 1-48 hours processign time), but will be automated in the future.
thestringpuller: passthru
mircea_popescu: hai.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 500 @ 0.00213 = 1.065 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: topace_ where are ze shares? :p
topace_: kakobrekla: approved. should show in your account now
topace_: refresh portfolio page
kakobrekla: aha ok i see something
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 935 @ 0.0022 = 2.057 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hi kakobrekla: http://live.coinbr.com/images/logofinal.png ?<< haha cool
topace_: hmm wonder what its showing for your book value? obviously it wont be able to calculate that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00249 = 0.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.00249 = 0.0249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 497 @ 0.0025 = 1.2425 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems i didn't miss much huh
topace_: kakobrekla: umm somethings wrong tho.
topace_: my multiple is off
topace_: lol
kakobrekla: hey yeah
topace_: it should have given you 10 shares, not 100
kakobrekla: i was just wondering
topace_: haha
kakobrekla: says 100 on the contract
kakobrekla: still no bbet tho ? :p
topace_: think i might add bbet this week
topace_: and mpoe as well
kakobrekla: the recent tx still shows 100
topace_: just fixed that too
kakobrekla: kk
topace_: well at least there was nothing wrong with the code, i just had the multiple set wrong.
kakobrekla: no way to push back now?
kakobrekla: i mean automagic or smth
topace_: not yet... but thats the easier of the two to code
topace_: give me your fingerprint and ill push em back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00077069 = 7.2445 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: push it push it
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU
kakobrekla: its ok, ima gonna leave em there
topace_: oh okay :)
topace_: ill add the push back form probably tomrrow or tuesday
topace_: it'll be a push request, and manually approved on my side, same as the push in request.. at least until im sure its working 100%
kakobrekla: cool
topace_: gotta go vacuum now, or gf will kill me when she gets home
topace_: ttyl
kakobrekla: enjoy
mircea_popescu: that;s so backwards...
kakobrekla: first pusing off mpex now cleaning before the lady gets home
kakobrekla: endoftheworld.swf
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.40001, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 34.40001, 24 hour volume: 12439.22704040, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.50000, 24 hour vwap: 34.12774
jurov: next door at -otc, litecoin fpga firmware is cooking
jurov: "dont fpgas go out of style as fast as CPUs do?"
mircea_popescu: i thought litecoin was like all cpu
mircea_popescu: </facetious>
jurov: just because it needs much memory. if someone figures out how to hook memory to fpga and make it fast...sky is the limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6216 = 3.108 BTC [+]
jurov: and on -dev they took on to optimize satoshidice, again :)
mircea_popescu: heh.
jurov: i wonder why i haven't seen the idea of applying hashcash to *every* transaction
jurov: like, tx won't be accepted if you didn't some little hashing yourself
mircea_popescu: jurov ask them when are they gonna actually get crackin on the actual problems http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/
mircea_popescu: buncha fuckwits
jurov: asked about that yest
mircea_popescu: aha ? and ?
jurov: can't remember any concrete outcome
jurov: some discussion about optimized choosing of unspent outputs at most
jurov: i guess you'll end up having to defragment the bitbet wallet occassionally
jurov: to prevent situations
mircea_popescu: so why the fuck are they fixing other people's problems
mircea_popescu: jesus christ these dudes.
mircea_popescu: "o, what needs to be done is too hard, o, we're too stupid, let's do something else instead"
mircea_popescu: psccccchhhh
jurov: lol, i have to make closed source wallet defrag tool.. and sell it for 1BTC. or at least accept donations
mircea_popescu: and have the same dorks whine about how you're ruining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which they broke
mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect the reason satoshi made himself scarce was that he was getting sick of dealing with the current team of devs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.6216 = 4.3512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131012.0
mircea_popescu: aww they got chunge guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6197 BTC [-]
Bowjob: mhm
Bowjob: LTC went up to 10 cents
mircea_popescu: lmao wait. waitwait.
mircea_popescu: Cloudflare was down ?!
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
Eduard_Munteanu: BTW, how do you manage shares traded on your exchange? I hear asicminer people had to do some manual bookkeeping. Do you keep an exchange-local tab?
Eduard_Munteanu: But then I suppose you can't trade shares outside the exchange.
jurov: Eduard_Munteanu, you asking mircea?
Eduard_Munteanu: Anyone. :)
jurov: he already admitted he has girls for that
Eduard_Munteanu: Heh.
jurov: and yes, the shares don't go outside exchange. this is why we have all these passthroughs
mircea_popescu: an exchange is an exchange, it has a trade engine
Eduard_Munteanu: Ideally shares could work like BTC, I wonder if that's possible.
mircea_popescu: what friedcat is doing is inhuman
mircea_popescu: but i guess people gotta try it out.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu that's not ideal. it's actually a bad idea. the horse has been discussed to death
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.61 = 3.05 BTC [-]
Eduard_Munteanu: But isn't there a crypto way to accomplish the same thing, perhaps different than BTC? You still need exchanges.
Eduard_Munteanu: If this has been discussed on the forums, I'd be glad to read those threads.
Eduard_Munteanu: Unlike BTCs, shares are by definition centralized I suppose.
Eduard_Munteanu: At least wrt how they're issued.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135778037437.png lmao deliciouscake
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm, makes sense, reading... thanks.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Pride Stats
mircea_popescu: Feb 2013: Income: $2,200 USD Profit: $1,186.00 USD
mircea_popescu: (Selling was halted during the month of Feb. to change payment methods.)
mircea_popescu: Jan 2013: Income: $3,270 USD Profit: $2,218.35 USD
mircea_popescu: Dec 2012: Income: $4,521.75 USD Profit: $3,784.00 USD
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin pride averages a 70% profit. Don't you want a piece of the pie too?
mircea_popescu: wait, their income went from 4.5 to 3.2 then 2.2 ?!
mircea_popescu: who was saying they've eaten up their market earlier ? they had a point it seems
BitHub: so they're losing money each month?
mircea_popescu: well, losing incom
mircea_popescu: still showing a (growing) profit
mircea_popescu: i've never seen that sort of dynamic before.
kakobrekla: hm
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: I see the problem. Still, wouldn't an exchange / market-maker be able to eliminate all those delays for things traded within the exchange? Not sure how one'd deal with double spending if you don't wait for confirmations.
kakobrekla: the formula it seems is Income( rand() ) - 1 grand = profit
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu by keeping a central book, obviously.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unless the sqrt log guy has a better solution, i think you're spot on.
kakobrekla: ;))
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: yes. And committing changes to the blockchain periodically. The exchange is still pretty important, but at least you can move stuff between exchanges in a standard way.
mircea_popescu: you ALREADY can do that.
mircea_popescu: mpex issues push receipts.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hm.
Eduard_Munteanu: Actually yeah, that kinda solves the entire issue.
Eduard_Munteanu: Not sure about OTC trading, but presumably you could do it manually somehow.
Eduard_Munteanu: Using your receipts.
mircea_popescu: if you can do it automatically like topace is trying you necessarily can do it manually too
Eduard_Munteanu: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: the way asicminer is playing this game makes me scratch my head.
mircea_popescu: so they're pointedly not coming to be listed on mpex, jump through the hoops and get my ok.
mircea_popescu: instead they're waiting for btct/bf/others run passthroughs
mircea_popescu: obviously there's no contract involved there.
mircea_popescu: now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ?
mircea_popescu: Ukto, burnside and whoever else involved gets scammer tags ? or what ?
Eduard_Munteanu: You're saying they're intentionally delaying listing on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they're either through sheer incompetence, sheer lack of resources or by actually being frauds behave just like a fraud would.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not understanding something.
Eduard_Munteanu: IDK, getting listed should've been negotiated even before the IPO, in my opinion. People have to have some way to buy / sell those stocks easily.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they've liquidity-trapped their "investors"
Eduard_Munteanu: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: which is something you really don't want to do
dub: whats liquidity?
dub: sound slike something to do with selling shares
dub: which is, as we know, not how you invest!
mircea_popescu: o ok
mircea_popescu: welcome back among the living
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1576297#msg1576297
mircea_popescu: wow, eskimobob actually published a readable balance.
dub: wat
dub: oh right, where he lists bitcoins: he is counting litecoins
mircea_popescu: converted at an unspecified rate etc.\
mircea_popescu: still, i had no idea ltc tanked that bad in btc
pigeons: yeah as btc was going up, ltc was going down to track the dollar and stay at .07 usd rather than stay at a ratio to btc
mircea_popescu: otoh lct seems all set for bubble territory.
dub: bfl realy do deserve some kind of award
mircea_popescu: since btc folks love a good bubble...
dub: they should be held up as a shining example of how to fail at pr
mircea_popescu: nah, coinlab is the shining example of how to fail at pr.
pigeons: we brought bitcoin to wall street in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: "drunk whore stumbles into wallstreet bar, announces she's brining the clap to wall street"
dub: im not sure if hiring inaba or letting your userbase add content at a yourdomain.com/blog/ url IS DUMBER
dub: it took quite a few moments to decipher that I was not actually reading an official bfl blog
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: truth be told those are pretty good too
mircea_popescu: ah, so much fail, so hard to pick a winner
mircea_popescu: sooo, three chicks drank four liters of vodka in two days.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this, dnipopetrovsk ?!
dub: I should delve into this road trip expenses sheet
mircea_popescu: hey, was it like 10k ?
dub: yes, 6 people, 6 days, 10k
mircea_popescu: list it
mircea_popescu: LTC-BARF
Bowjob: apparently we have a new ASIC company that is ready to ship
mircea_popescu: about the same size as eskimo's thing
Bowjob: this one's from hungary
mircea_popescu: Bowjob which one is that ?
BitHub: where can i place a bet that coinlab will be out of business by end of year?
Bowjob: PrimeAsic
Bowjob: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.0
mircea_popescu: BitHub on bitbet, if you can well define out of business
mircea_popescu: iirc jurov tried
BitHub: well maybe not out of business
BitHub: what i want to bet on this being a huge fail
dub: theres only $633 worth of whiskey listed here, I don't think thats accurate
mircea_popescu: hm, actually hungary, might be worth a visit.
dub: I recall at least 4 bottles that where brought from home
BitHub: oh that's cool
BitHub: wish i live near hungary
Bowjob: if its legit, I'll fly over there to pick a couple of them
BitHub: i would sell my car today and go get one tomorrow
Bowjob: I don't know the price yet
mircea_popescu: i could be in budapest literally by sunup
mircea_popescu: but meh... worth it ?
mircea_popescu: ~300 km awai
BitHub: really?
mircea_popescu: yes really.
mircea_popescu: that's why i live here, it's close to shit.
BitHub: i live in a fuck hole
BitHub: where everything is expensive
mircea_popescu: sucks. move to yurp
BitHub: i'm trying
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought it was teh lion/bear licesning regime
mircea_popescu: dub huh ?!
BitHub: :D
dub: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/27/lions-bears-removed-from-romanian-gangsters-property/
BitHub: couch
mircea_popescu: lmao
dub: I heard that on the radio a few days ago, first thought 'wonder if mp shows up on irc today'
BitHub: better not touch my pet tiger
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the idea that you need a permit for stuff is certainly new here
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, permits.
BitHub: bit of a long shot but would anyone be able to help me out and send one of those to Australia?
mircea_popescu: this stuff is a mess to export
BitHub: yeah thats true
BitHub: customs will probably take it and start mining themselves
BitHub: pricks
mircea_popescu: yeah
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You are beginning to see some of the strange contradictory nature of the asicminer people, I think, that I've been complaining about for months.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic perhaps. what specifically ?
mircea_popescu: o, asicminer not asic miners. yeah.
dub: why is it a mess to export?
dub: its a computer, we have been shipping these around the place for a wee while now
mircea_popescu: dub ya well, maybe it's a bomb
dub: customs can test for bombliness
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a nuclear bomb producing item
mircea_popescu: maybe it'll fuck their mothers.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You mentioned earlier that they are behaving fraudulently-like.. This is permeating more than just the way they are handling their stocks, but elsewhere as well, and it's troubling because unethical people in their position, could conceivably have done a much larger order to start with than what they are reporting, and the attraction of doing double-spends is quite large if, indeed, the evidence is correct when
midnightmagic: it points to short-term thinking.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic well, i don't know the whole thing, but from this angle it looks more like they're clueless/haven't been thinking things through/haven't slept in weeks
mircea_popescu: tho its quite possible they're ill intended too, sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would be very interested to hear from you if you discover that they aren't just clueless, but seemingly deliberately clueless.
dub: they are chinese
midnightmagic: Or if you begin to make observations that suggest it is not pure ignorance.
mircea_popescu: i'll certinly say something
mircea_popescu: but so far my belief is they just don't understand finance
mircea_popescu: which is in fact common so.
midnightmagic: dub: And yet ngzhang is one of the most ethical businesspeople I've seen in a long time.
mircea_popescu: i dun think chineseness has much to do with anything
dub: midnightmagic: I'll assume you're being facetious?
midnightmagic: dub: Being Chinese doesn't really mean much.
midnightmagic: dub: I am not. ngzhang is extremely ethical, or else Icarus wouldn't exist.
dub: lets deal with teh first question, my mind is somewhat boggling
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of scummy americans, iranians, turks and eskimos in this world
mircea_popescu: and plenty of trustworthy same etc.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Eskimos don't like being called Eskimos. :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: well whatever, inuits. northern russian people.
dub: midnightmagic: this is the the same dude involved in avalon right? the 'we shipped' guy
midnightmagic: dub: The "we shipped and they're sitting in customs at the beginning of CNY." and also , "Geez, with all this negativity, maybe we'll just be quiet until there's actually something to talk about." guys..
midnightmagic: dub: Also the latest update, "Rest of the units will have been shipped by around Mar 10, everyone should have batch #1 in hand by about mid-March" people.
dub: pitty they're not 'here are the tracking numbers' people though really
dub: anyway, being chinese decreases ones ability to think strategically and reason counterfactually
dub: this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death
midnightmagic: ... I can't actually tell if you're serious.
midnightmagic: If you're jerking my chain, your delivery is too dry.
dub: im not, try meeting some chinese people
dub: I hear there are a couple up your way
midnightmagic: And how do you know I'm not Chinese origin?
dub: we'll I don't but based on past discussions I think its rather unlikely
dub: you are far too empathetic for one
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BitBets
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BitBetsBets
midnightmagic: dub: I'm at a loss here to meaningfully discuss this with you. I don't know where to start. If you're serious, I'm fairly sure we are so alien that there is basically no common ground on which to meaningfully converse for this topic.
kakobrekla: fyi
dub: anyway, if you remove any racist overtones you have automatically inferred, it explains a lot about the comms we've seen from avalon and asicminer
kakobrekla: no spam.
midnightmagic: dub: I haven't called you a racist yet.
dub: midnightmagic: you're gettign there, its par for the course with you (you'd make a terrible anthropologist)
midnightmagic: dub: Is it now. I'm.. glad you're paying such close attention to my activity that you think you have me pegged.
kakobrekla: ZOMG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1580072#msg1580072
dub: midnightmagic: I don't really have time to go through this, there is quite a bit of literature out there
kakobrekla: During the BDT experience, because i was very concerned about the high interest bond and the lack of supporting high revenues i've made the decision (unethical, possibly illegal) to repurpose some of the funds raised with the IPO.
kakobrekla: Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0059 = 0.0295 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: dub: Much of the literature usually cited to conclude such things has been thoroughly debunked, so perhaps someday when you're willing to cite, after making such assertions, I'd be glad to read and evaluate such studies.
dub: midnightmagic: regarding the chinese, not your culteral naivety
dub: yes, well I'm more of an experience guy than a take debunkment at face value guy. Dorkins calls it the belief gene, though I don't really believe it exists.
midnightmagic: dub: Making negative assertions about the person you are having a discussion with is not usually productive. I'm readjusting my evaluation of your random, seemingly-connected comments post-statement.
dub: midnightmagic: its an observation grounded in experience, not a negative assertion
midnightmagic: dub: I'm fairly sure your evaluation of my cultural "naivete" is based on incomplete data.
midnightmagic: dub: Also, if you are an experience guy, then why are you pointing to external data as the foundation of your assertions rather than just your experience?
dub: midnightmagic: thats easy, it closely mirrors what I have observed
mircea_popescu: <dub> this is a genetic/language thing thats been done to death << it's not genetic, it's cultural.
midnightmagic: dub: I'll presume you are aware of the notion of confirmation bias.
mircea_popescu: whoop, you just did it :D
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> Those funds were invested through some chinese partners of mine in asic equipment. <<< ahaha epic
dub: midnightmagic: and I'f I were a victim of that would I need to have read about this before or after observing it?
midnightmagic: dub: ALl that's required is that you reject well-grounded studies that disagree with your opinion, while selecting out those studies which agree with it or reinforce it in some fashion.
dub: I guess at some point, some people like to actually form an opinion
midnightmagic: dub: Sure, course. Nothing wrong with an opinion so long as data can update it.
dub: the problem is you can likely produce data to refute any opinion as can I
midnightmagic: dub: Lots of people think that, but it is also possible to assess the quality of the data. So, IMO, no, it's not possible to find quality data which refutes any opinion.
midnightmagic: dub: Or rather, it's not possible for me..
dub: i'd like to continue this and know it looks like weasling out
dub: but im not in a meeting, on teh phone, and working to a thight deadline
dub: /snot/now
midnightmagic: I'm sorry you think that. You should realise that the implication is that I am aserting my mind can be changed.
dub: and typing without looking at my screen
midnightmagic: Unlike most people, I am not interested (this time) in simply honing my ability to refute. If and when you come up with actual cites, I'd be happy to look them up. I still have fulltext research credentials at the local university.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: now how'dja get that eh ? by exploiting the masses
mircea_popescu: by 'olding on to outdated imperialist dogma
mircea_popescu: which perpetuates the social and economic differences
mircea_popescu: within our society.
mircea_popescu: If there's ever going to be any progress...
midnightmagic: dub: Also, stop asserting stupid things about me.
BitHub: so what happened with sdice divs?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <evoorhees> perfect
mircea_popescu: well, contract says they got till the 5th
BitHub: hmm
dub: midnightmagic: a little while ago there was a conversation where you appeared to be floored by the notion that in some locations/cultures the base assumption of a strangers actions being altruistic was false
Eduard_Munteanu: I wonder if bitcoiners are going to experiment with different governance rules / contracts than you usually see in the real world. Which is usually majority of shares.
midnightmagic: dub: I was floored by the fact that it was so *in that specific locale*.
dub: midnightmagic: its not the only time you have appeared to me to base your arguments around a world view couched in priviledged western culture
Eduard_Munteanu: I guess mircea_popescu pledges to be the benevolent dictator of MPEx forever, after reading a bit through the contract.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu let me dig that out for you
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/
error4733: haha mp you made my day ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1517002#msg1517002
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu also, re the rules etc, http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/
mircea_popescu: error4733 lol
mircea_popescu: if at least he had the guts to post something like "Same"
mircea_popescu: that'd have earned him some respect
mircea_popescu: but... weasels everywhere.
dub: midnightmagic: my memory of it is different, I don't think we were discussing a specific place, only the existence of such places
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect there's like five balls in three ballsacks available in the entire continental us.
Eduard_Munteanu: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, did Silk Road ever approach you? To get listed, raise money and so forth.
mircea_popescu: i've not made a comment on the topic so far.
Eduard_Munteanu: I see.
dub: anyway, if I don't want this PM to actually climb up my ass I need to deliver some shit so I'm closing this term
mircea_popescu: aha
midnightmagic: dub: It is a cultural perversion of what appears to be the most successful strategy for human progress.
BitHub: good read mircea
mircea_popescu: ;)
BitHub: take the girls up and down the river? wtf
BitHub: i thought you were talkig about your daughters or something, till i click on the pics lul wtf
mircea_popescu: im not married / don't have kids.
Eduard_Munteanu: Hmm, you know... they also said underground resources belong to the state... wouldn't surprise me if they deem Bitcoin mining a national resource as well. :)
mircea_popescu: that'll be very much their problem entirely.
BitHub: lul and these girls are your friends and you just hang out wtih them?
mircea_popescu: BitHub im hung so i hang.
BitHub: making a porno or something?
mircea_popescu: to quote, http://trilema.com/2009/eu-am-un-succes-nebun-la-femei/
mircea_popescu: (nu means no)
BitHub: i hope that's me in 5 years haha
Eduard_Munteanu: Heh.
mircea_popescu: why wait five years, i always say.
BitHub: trying to be realistic
BitHub: it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho
mircea_popescu: srsly, girls are easy. you just have to make them feel safe they'll do anything.
Eduard_Munteanu: Like investors. :P
mircea_popescu: indeed.
BitHub: money first, then girls
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1134 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 8 @ 0.29248665 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 1000 @ 0.22360455 = 223.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.19808896 = 198.089 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: BitHub> money first, then girls (this does work well)
Chaang-Noi: anyone happen to know off the top of their head how many avolons were made in batch one? or the total hashing power?
thestringpuller: approx 200
thestringpuller: based on a 500,000 NRE cost on the chips I assume there will be at least 600 total on the first "batch" of chips
thestringpuller: why do you want to know?
Chaang-Noi: i want to know how much asic miner shares are worth
Chaang-Noi: 600 times 60 ghs....
Chaang-Noi: that is a lot, hmm
Chaang-Noi: just wonder if bfl will fail hard, are they still bumping or whatever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550011 = 5.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0055001 = 2.7501 BTC [-]
dub: midnightmagic: indeed, saw an interesting article about the very young having much greater altrustic tendancies which increases survival odds in an 'all the adults are dead' scenario
midnightmagic: dub: I'm trying to dig up the log because I'm curious what I was thinking at the time. I've actually grown up in a place (yes, they exist even in Canada) where one must assume the stranger is evil.
midnightmagic: dub: Do you have any more keywords for me to search on?
dub: midnightmagic: egrep -i '(dub.*eastern.*europe)' \#bitcoin-assets.log
midnightmagic: thanks
midnightmagic: stupid split logs anyway..
dub: amusing false positive: 29-11-12-13:45<mircea_popescu> kakobreklaaa it's sharpie in pooper you person of dubious eastern european origin you
dub: midnightmagic: 12-12-12-20:59
dub: thats US eastern
kakobrekla: lol
midnightmagic: dub: *AWESOME* you just found for me the reference to the mpoe-pr boob pic that I've been searching for forever.
mircea_popescu: lol ?!
dub: we aim to please
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Hey man, in that log on that day you're talking about that boobpic I've been trying to grep for forever.
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: you've prolly given bithub even more determination charges.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Who me?
mircea_popescu: yes you.
midnightmagic: What are determination charges?
mircea_popescu: "<BitHub> it did just give me a huge boost of motivation tho"
mircea_popescu: i guess i used the wrong word
midnightmagic: dub: All I see is "[18:01:08] <midnightmagic> dub: What a horrible way to live, in constant fear." I guess all I can say is that's not a statement born of ignorance.
midnightmagic: I may have been quoting blade runner.
midnightmagic: (alternatively)
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.42598, Best ask: 34.57010, Bid-ask spread: 0.14412, Last trade: 34.42349, 24 hour volume: 14866.21945414, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.21380
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 72000 @ 0.00175 = 126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00196988 = 0.9849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 555 @ 0.00196989 = 1.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1945 @ 0.00197 = 3.8317 BTC [+]
Bowjob: dice took a beating today
pigeons: up 10% from yesterday
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.00999 = 0.3497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00175 / 0.00175879 / 0.00197 (75000 shares, 131.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00175 / 0.00177002 / 0.00197 (79299 shares, 140.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00165663 / 0.00197 (127408 shares, 211.07 BTC)
mircea_popescu: lol more than half the month;s volume
mircea_popescu: (28+74) * 1.1/1.5
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (28+74) * 1.1/1.5
gribble: 74.8
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 29 @ 0.0059 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I got out of dice just before it came tumbling
Bowjob: im pissed I have900 shares left..
Bowjob: >_>
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 70 @ 0.099 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: Why's SD tanking..?
midnightmagic: .. er.. if it's tanking.
Bowjob: BTC is getting more and more valuable
Bowjob: and less and less people bet
maximian: less and less people bet? Doesn't look like it
maximian: head over to http:///blockchain.info
maximian: it's the SatoshiDice show
maximian: Bitcoin should be renamed "Satoshi Dice presents Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i think people are shifty yet.
mircea_popescu: after 2 years of pretty much nothing but scam after scam after scam many feel uneasy about keeping btc invested in same place
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the guy who cashed his bank account because he wanted to count his money ? something of the sort.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7 @ 0.00077068 = 0.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 493 @ 0.00077068 = 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00550001 = 11 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: hrm. interesting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00550001 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0059 = 4.13 BTC [+]
Bowjob: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.60667, Best ask: 34.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00333, Last trade: 34.61000, 24 hour volume: 14786.71661983, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22162
Bowjob: hm
Bowjob: low volume
Namworld: mircea_popescu &/or kakobrekla
Namworld: Any of you around?
mircea_popescu: yea ?
Namworld: BBET statement says 5.44167918 BTC to be distributed as dividends. On 10 million shares, that's like 54.4 satoshi per share, but MPEx shows 32 satoshi per share. What's with that?
iz: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.45894, Best ask: 34.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04106, Last trade: 34.50000, 24 hour volume: 15041.28017977, 24 hour low: 33.80000, 24 hour high: 34.61000, 24 hour vwap: 34.22749
mircea_popescu: Namworld mpex got confused by the mistaken notion that 5mn shares are actually out
mircea_popescu: in reality only 3 are
Namworld: odd
Namworld: So long as the amount shown in my stats are good. But odd for the display.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "с умопомрачительным дизайном и таким же юзабилити :)"
mircea_popescu: ok, who dunnit!
swhitt: me
mircea_popescu: for shame
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0059 = 0.885 BTC [+]
molecular: anyone know what's the holdup with paying out the march 1st bfl bet http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ ?
Bowjob: http://www.unifycall.com/update/3avalon.jpg
Bugpowder: Molecular. That bet paid out already
Bugpowder: There was some issues with transaction size limits, info in a triilrma post
molecular: Bugpowder, oh
Bugpowder: I got my coins
Bugpowder: At least
molecular: Bugpowder, me too. lol
molecular: Bugpowder, I thought it'd state the payouts on the site... rechecking, maybe I just overlooked
midnightmagic: Bowjob: what the hell man where's that
Bugpowder: 1mb was too small for the total transaction! Had to be split
Bowjob: China
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Oh. I guess I knew that.
Bowjob: The dude now has 5 of those babies
midnightmagic: Bowjob: One of their Chinese customers stripped it apart I think and took a picture.
Bowjob: yeah
Bowjob: ballsy move
midnightmagic: very, imo
mircea_popescu: molecular ya was paid like 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: or 3
Bowjob: when i get mine, id be making $30 a day lol
Bowjob: I just hope BFL fucks up again, just pleaseee
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what's the april one at
mircea_popescu: 60ish not bad
Bowjob: looks like avalon will deliver their promise by april 1st
Bowjob: not sure on bfl
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Last update said something about all b#1 orders will have been shipped by mar 10, and everyone should have them by mid- to end of march..
mircea_popescu: so then bet is right on point
midnightmagic: I really never thought Avalon would beat them all to the punch like this.
midnightmagic: I threw some orders at them just for the appreciation of their work with Icarus.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's an avalon/asicminer tie so far, apparently.
Bowjob: so its avalon 1, then bfl 1.. then avalon 2?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: *technically* Avalon boxes started hashing first. :)
Bowjob: then theres this hungarian company that apparently made an asic as well
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And in the hands of actual customers..
mircea_popescu: okay, but you need eyeglasses to separate it
Bowjob: available for pick up
midnightmagic: Bowjob: Is that Reclaimer?
midnightmagic: I thought he was russian..
Bowjob: no
midnightmagic: Not Tycho then.
Bowjob: primeasic
Bowjob: hungary.. is it a safe place?
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's also a 22nm asic SOC vendor that's farming out chips to board designers.
Bowjob: yeah, yifu is interested in that as well
Bowjob: in sweden i think
Bowjob: mining competition is gonna be really tough this year
Bowjob: my electricity costs are 10 cents per kwh
Bowjob: well, its 6.8 cents for the first 1350 KW, then the rest is billed at 10.12 cents thereafter
Bowjob: mhm
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I'm currently at 0.0865 CAD/KwH
midnightmagic: or.. kWh or whatever.
Bowjob: where
Bowjob: electricity doesnt matter at this point.. not yet anyway
midnightmagic: Bowjob: consumer wins, we just have to time our buys right..
Bowjob: its the first who gets the asic
midnightmagic: Bowjob: I suspect if we care about power consumption now, we'll end up winning in the long run. They're all priced approximately the same.
midnightmagic: Bowjob: There's an *enormous* wave of mining customers coming soon-ish due to the sudden tidal wave price. Getting in line at this point for summertime asic is going to be a bad move..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 17 @ 0.00560002 = 0.0952 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: getting in line is always a bad move.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this even, "getting in line"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6115 @ 0.00076564 = 4.6819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00077068 = 3.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1357 @ 0.00077069 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: who here holds ltc :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00983 = 0.0983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.009821 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 28 @ 0.0075 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00573 = 0.573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00561 = 0.561 BTC [-]
iz: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 35.20000, Best ask: 35.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 35.30000, 24 hour volume: 28845.84682379, 24 hour low: 33.98600, 24 hour high: 35.35000, 24 hour vwap: 34.73691
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 290 @ 0.00561 = 1.6269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 319 @ 0.00561 = 1.7896 BTC [-]
Namworld: Who wants some S.DICE before the dividend arrives?
Namworld: (PT)
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4859710.18648 based on data since last change | 4903754.75592 based on data for last three days
blu3gr1ffon: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.00000, Best ask: 36.00714, Bid-ask spread: 0.00714, Last trade: 36.00000, 24 hour volume: 34856.36975002, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.15000, 24 hour vwap: 34.95547
ThickAsThieves: nice
blu3gr1ffon: ;;goxlag
gribble: 106.133771 seconds
kakobrekla: washappening
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.595 = 1.785 BTC [-]
Namworld: price going up again and again
Namworld: is what is happening
Namworld: No one wants S.DICE-PT?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.595 = 7.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 555 @ 0.00594999 = 3.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 445 @ 0.00595 = 2.6478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00076784 = 5.199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1779 @ 0.00077999 = 1.3876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.595 = 3.57 BTC [-]
maximian: Anyone know where Erik has been travelling?
Namworld: I think he went to the Earth's core or something. Unfortunately there's no vehicle capable of reaching there and he started his journey by jumping in a volcano.
mircea_popescu: lol what ?!
Namworld: Spouting random made up stuff.
TomServo: Isn't that the beginning of the Scientology story?
mircea_popescu: yeah lol
maximian: Maybe he's working on selling S.DICE to the crab people
Namworld: What? Is it?
Namworld: I thought spouting random stuff was Bitcoin's national sport.
Namworld: But apparently what I'm saying was not random at all.
mircea_popescu: :p
ZedsterX: depends on who ya ask
mircea_popescu: "everything new in this world is the history you didn't know"
maximian: So, someone moved 10,000 BTC back into MPEx:
maximian: http://blockchain.info/tx/34ee8eb5d04ec6a278223b0ea02a36c9104710e6cdd02a5d5ece9b03533d6b5e
ZedsterX: yeah that was me
maximian: Buy everything!
Bugpowder: too bad its erik
maximian: I'm thinking it's evoorhees
ZedsterX: be my guess
Namworld: I'm thinking S.DICE dividend
Namworld: Go S.DICE!
Bugpowder: its funny that he moved it all in instead of just 1750 though
maximian: But why 10k?
Namworld: hmm... nvm
Bugpowder: it is definitely him
Namworld: How do you know?
Namworld: Not sure why 10k
Bugpowder: because that address is from when he withdrew 10k last time
Bugpowder: and he said on the forum that he just deposited
Namworld: ah
Namworld: great
Bugpowder: Dunno why the whole 10k though
Bugpowder: prop up the S.DICE value post div ;-)
maximian: maybe he just didn't think about it, was in a hurry
topace: i dunno, if i was moving $350000 wort of coins, i think i'd stop to "think about it"
Bugpowder: on a mobile phone
Bugpowder: correction $363,800
midnightmagic: Namworld: scientoglogist prophet!
Bugpowder: correction 365,000
mircea_popescu: <maximian> But why 10k? he has to pay 50mn shares
Bugpowder: Only 13mn shares on the market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1868 @ 0.00077999 = 1.457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00078 = 7.786 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but maybe I don't understand the backend
mircea_popescu: 13mn in third party hands on the market + 37 mn in erik's hands on the market = 50mn
mircea_popescu: +50mn which make up the golden ticket = 100mn, whole float.
Namworld: price is going... up
Namworld: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.31083, Best ask: 36.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.12917, Last trade: 36.33499, 24 hour volume: 41528.95196789, 24 hour low: 33.99871, 24 hour high: 36.50000, 24 hour vwap: 35.17091
maximian: So he still has to pay divs to the 37mn shares that aren't on the market?
mircea_popescu: how aren't they on the market ?
Bugpowder: I new I should have waited a few more hours before buying something on bitcoinstore.com
maximian: I should say, that he hasn't sold yet
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: maximian well yes, shares get dividends.
mircea_popescu: makes no diff who owns them
Bugpowder: the confusion may come in the Dividends box
Bugpowder: info
maximian: So shouldn't last month's divs have been 10,000 BTC instead of 2,000?
mircea_popescu: maximian but last month there literally were only 10mn on the market.
Bugpowder: Hashrate over 40TH/s
maximian: ah, ok
maximian: as per contract
mircea_popescu: maximian this is designed to reinforce proof.
mircea_popescu: mpex won't let someone pay fewer shares than actually are issued
mircea_popescu: so every time a dividend is pay you actually know the actual exact total, from the receipt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00078 = 4.68 BTC [+]
maximian: good to know. I had forgotten that the contracted allowed for evoorhees to put another 40mn shares on the market last month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00594999 = 5.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it also works to reinforce proof the other way
mircea_popescu: someone declares X dividends, he'd better be able to show the cash too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00595 = 2.1123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00597999 = 11.96 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4825329.9214 based on data since last change | 4946742.16185 based on data for last three days
Bugpowder: 36.53
Bugpowder: AAPL @ 2 year low
Bugpowder: GOOG at all time hi
mircea_popescu: ;;ident burnside
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder im curious how Ts will go.
jurov: ;bc,convert eur
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.70000 U.S. dollars = 28.2568525 Euros
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: me too
ZedsterX: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1573.500000000000 USD = 43.0861572542 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.3333 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 30 @ 0.33317 = 9.9951 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Got a good one for bitbet
Bugpowder: The price of a 25BTC Casascius coin > 1 Kruggerand.
mircea_popescu: haha put it in
Bugpowder: I should take a side by side pic and post to reddit as well.
mircea_popescu: totally.
Bugpowder: ;;calc 36.70*25
gribble: 917.5
Bugpowder: Hmm
Bugpowder: Whats a good time frame
Bugpowder: April 1?
Bugpowder: nah
Bugpowder: April 15?
ZedsterX: need at least a month
Bugpowder: lets just extrapolate linearly
Bugpowder: and use that as the date
Bugpowder: ;;calc 43/25
gribble: 1.72
Bugpowder: 34% growth last month
Bugpowder: lets do 2 months
ZedsterX: hate when ppl use math :)
mircea_popescu: 1st of may, worker's day
Bugpowder: yah
Eduard_Munteanu: Don't tell me MPEx is closed for 1st of May. :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: mpex hasn't actually been closed yet
mircea_popescu: much unlike everyone else.
mircea_popescu: there was a ~hour ddos a while back, but that's all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [+]
blu3gr1ffon: who runs betsofbitco.in?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident FabianB
gribble: Nick 'FabianB', with hostmask 'FabianB!~ogg@unaffiliated/fabianb', is identified as user fabianb, with GPG key id 797C1106D52E79DF, key fingerprint 9B854E5F36B927C9C365F208797C1106D52E79DF, and bitcoin address 18Wnjc1fcWDboZDHNsn48URtwGaqRjPnAt
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.655 = 3.275 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.65 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 0.65 = 10.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 50 @ 0.65 = 32.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol @O.BTCUSD.C370T
mircea_popescu: bot's out of options so the people are fighting!
mircea_popescu: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
jurov: you're out of options? so early in month?
ZedsterX: there goes all my shares cuz getting BTC in DK over the weekend sucks
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.34499 = 1.725 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao "Budapest is known for a hub of scamming activity"
jurov: that primeasic thread starts being juicy
ZedsterX: heheh i just read that too
jurov: well, if the hungarian govt is considered, that's fair assessment
ZedsterX: ouch
parseval: Nice, the asicminer pass-through went active
mircea_popescu: jurov a shitton sold on those lines
mircea_popescu: actually budapest is known as a hub for porn.
jurov: mircea, have you seen wikipedia's world penis length map?
jurov: hungary looks like a piece of africa there
dub: fuuu .65
dub: temptation to sell rising
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: i hope kim dotcom gets credit for inventing bitcoin
Lyspooner: he's a much more flamboyant leader than, say, gavin
ZedsterX: isn't budapest Rocco Siffredi's home?
mircea_popescu: how's he a leader ?
dub: he is the man
ZedsterX: amen
Lyspooner: he will portray himself that way and the media will follow along
mircea_popescu: so like obama.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm with you, i hope it happens
mircea_popescu: more drama -> more value for btc.
dub: kim is jesus
mircea_popescu: dub to quote some cartoon, he's jsut stupid and fat.
dub: idk about stupid, takes some ability to copy a business model and make buttloads off it
mircea_popescu: dub this crashes into your ideas about the chinese.
mircea_popescu: since they took ford's model and are currently raping the americans with it.
dub: I didn't say they were stupid
mircea_popescu: but you didn't say they're jesus either.
dub: that is true
Lyspooner: what is NAT.ROUTERS
mircea_popescu: kim's new project.
dub: I thought his new project was inventing crypto
mircea_popescu: broken js crypto, to be precise. he's done that.
mircea_popescu: now he invents ips
dub: Lyspooner: what does your question relate to?
Lyspooner: it's on the bottom of the mpex list of contracts
dub: right
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139337.0 deathbylolipop need to get in on this
burnside: ;;ident burnside
gribble: Nick 'burnside', with hostmask 'burnside!~burnside@', is identified as user burnside, with GPG key id 990D4DB54ECDA3C6, key fingerprint 2EEB40C9DF5E25E6BD3A7BF8990D4DB54ECDA3C6, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: who pays 4 btc for that ?!
Lyspooner: caffeinewriter
burnside: <mircea_popescu> now what happens if six months down the road friedcat pulls a gigavps ? -- I think we would have to do the AML paperwork.
mircea_popescu: burnside i'm just saying, you are underwriting a lot of risk that you can't control.
burnside: definitely. thus the disclaimers in the contract.
mircea_popescu: thus also the liquidity disparity.
burnside: I'm more worried about their competition beating them out though than I am about friedcat running off.
mircea_popescu: it's not your fault, best i can see, just asicminer acting very weird.
burnside: Yeah, I can't figure out if it's the lack of sleep, or what.
dub: what is the weird acting?
mircea_popescu: dub baiscally they choked their investors by refusing to list to the point that people out of sheer desperations made private pts
mircea_popescu: now one of the most promising ipos of the year so far has been reduced to a 70 btc opening day.
dub: oh right
Namworld: god, why did I sold all these ASICMINER shares for 0.40 =/
dub: Namworld: want to buy some?
dub: 0.7 :)
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: no, not buying
mircea_popescu: Namworld the girl said .75 to 1.5
mircea_popescu: why don't you listen to the girl ? :D
Namworld: I sold some time ago? Before she even said anything I believe.
mircea_popescu: a well then there's your answer !
mircea_popescu: you sold earlier.
burnside: tbh tho, 0.4 is still 4x what you got 'em for, no?
mircea_popescu: i think he paid a little premium
burnside: not a bad return on ~6 months?
ZedsterX: i want to buy some but banks are too slow
Namworld: Also if Friedcat had shares trading again after GLBSE closed you would probably have been able to buy back my ASICMINER cheap to fill that short contract.
mircea_popescu: Namworld at any point between october and january they could have listed and been tip top shape
mircea_popescu: all through february and still acceptable
dub: mircea_popescu: so in reality your 'acting weird' could simply be explained by, inability to strategize
mircea_popescu: but march is already dropping the ball.
mircea_popescu: dub that is acting weird.
dub: to you maybe
dub: to me its just acting chinese
burnside: doh
mircea_popescu: i've not fucked enough chinese girls to have a clue so far.
Namworld: I should have bought these
Namworld: Instead of lending to Amazingrando.
dub: the failure here is your preconception of normal thiking
dub: thinking*
Anduck: Namworld: how much they're paying now?
mircea_popescu: Anduck they paid like 2% or something like that.
mircea_popescu: 2.5% mebbe
Namworld: ASICMINER already sent a first payment?
dub: yes
mircea_popescu: in other news, mpex db dump has been optimized to take up less space. nothing's broken, it's just naturally halfsized.
mircea_popescu: Namworld yes.
mod6: sweet!
Anduck: mircea_popescu: yeah they paid 0.025 btc/share
Anduck: or smth like that
Namworld: hmm... If you had bought back then 10k USD of bitcoins at 5 USD each for 2k BTC
Anduck: but i mean
Anduck: how much are they selling those shares for?
mircea_popescu: Anduck !ticker btct asicminer-pt
Anduck: !ticker btct asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.6502 / 0.655 (122 shares, 79.3 BTC)
Anduck: couldnt do it urself???
Namworld: and bought 20k ASICMINER (10k USD). You'd now have 20k x 0.65 BTC = 13 000 BTC worth
Anduck: yup
Anduck: =)
Namworld: or close to half a million dollar at today's prices
Anduck: i was lucky
mircea_popescu: Namworld no. things don't scale like that. you'd have ~70 btc's worth of shares and 12930 btc worth of paper & dreams.
Anduck: i bought asicminer with all my glbse stack xD
Namworld: mircea: I'm only evaluating current trading price.
Anduck: but -really- they buy asicminer for 0.65?? =D
mircea_popescu: ya but you'r extrapolating a little out of band
Namworld: As long as ASICMINER keeps up like that.
mircea_popescu: Anduck i think if you push burnside your stocks you get the pt and can trade
Namworld: Probably achievable.
Namworld: You could sell part for your initial 2k BTC no problem tho.
ThickAsThieves: you can push to Deadterra on BF too, he's free, and takes 0% of divs
Anduck: nah i dont wanna trade, mp
mircea_popescu: no Namworld. if asicminer keeps up like it's currently doing it'll go to shit.
mircea_popescu: they have to seriously adjust themselves.
ThickAsThieves: asicminer better get more hashing online soon
Namworld: eh
mircea_popescu: this is certainly an exciting spring
Namworld: on a sidenote
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.03 ** 30
gribble: 0
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.03 ** 30.0
gribble: 0
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.03 ** 30.0
gribble: 2.42726247119
dub: scale owned
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.0003 ** 30.0
gribble: 1.00903925984
Anduck: uhh
mircea_popescu: wait. what ? you're paying 1% a month ?~
Namworld: Yeah
Namworld: A bit less
mircea_popescu: and people are actually sending you btc ?!
Namworld: 10.95% per year
Namworld: Yeah...
mircea_popescu: lol ok
mircea_popescu: but this is a. less than dividends for most stocks b. much less than mpoe bonds etc.
dub: this is btc
mircea_popescu: i guess so lol
Namworld: But daily interest, callable at face value anytime.
Namworld: I guess the possibility to withdraw at face value anytime is interesting enough.
mircea_popescu: we totally have to shed these paycheck loan faces off btc already
dub: Namworld: you pay interest daily? as divs oslt
blu3gr1ffon: I used to work in title loans and payday lending.
blu3gr1ffon: got away with %300 on title loans.
blu3gr1ffon: customers loved us too.
Namworld: dub: yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1231 = 12.31 BTC [+]
Namworld: Comes to 300 satoshi per 0.01 BTC share daily.
B0g4r7_: Did you look at the cars?
B0g4r7_: I always wondered what would happen if I brought in the title to my wrecked car.
Namworld: It's not that bad actually.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 50-50 you'd get a loan
burnside: wow ltc is back on the rise. Network Hash Rate 1,018.123 GH/s
B0g4r7_: If I tried at a few different loan places the odds get pretty good.
blu3gr1ffon: B0g4r7_: we did, full checks. does it run, does it go into reverse, is anything spewing.
B0g4r7_: heh
blu3gr1ffon: then we'd give them 1/4 - 1/2 NADA value. they'd give us title
blu3gr1ffon: only way around lending laws.
mircea_popescu: did you have your lot and everything ?
blu3gr1ffon: we housed at our associates property. tow lot.
B0g4r7_: title loans and tows.
blu3gr1ffon: good times.
B0g4r7_: Throw in a bail bondsman, a PI, and a debt collection agency and you've got a full house.
blu3gr1ffon: WE got into it from check cashing, so we were half-way there.
blu3gr1ffon: in house collections. nice to know a skilled skip tracer
blu3gr1ffon: course, internets makes their job easier these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.005501 = 5.501 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: in 2001 kim dotcom bought 375,000 EUR worth of shares in letsbuyit.com and subsequently announced is intention to invest 50 million euros in the company.
Lyspooner: the announcement caused the share value of letsbuyit.com to jump and dotcom cashed out, making a profit of 1.5 million eur
dub: an den?
Lyspooner: and then he was arrested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 661 @ 0.005501 = 3.6362 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: this time he won't be arrested
dub: pretty sure he's gettign extradited from nz
pgp: ::ticker
pgp: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27000, Best ask: 36.27099, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 36.27700, 24 hour volume: 44153.48588405, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.37953
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner he's in jail already neh ?
dub: no
mircea_popescu: orly ?
dub: he's on some form of bail iirc
dub: judge gave him bail after a bunch of illegal shit about his arrest surfaced
mircea_popescu: o o i recall
mircea_popescu: illegal surveillance, nz being a puppet state, yeah
dub: yeah
mircea_popescu: the usual "we confiscate all your money now you go ahead hire lawyers"
mircea_popescu: and all that jazz.
dub: and the lulzy.. spook dept. that isnt allowed to spy on nz citizens, didn't know he was a citizen
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 36.27100, Best ask: 36.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02900, Last trade: 36.30000, 24 hour volume: 44219.25916777, 24 hour low: 34.16966, 24 hour high: 36.70000, 24 hour vwap: 35.38096
mircea_popescu: dude the oix is coming true omfg.
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 36.30000 U.S. dollars = 27.9488759 Euros
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you seeing this shit ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00525106 = 2.6255 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: fuck this
kakobrekla: avearage iq on the forum is -20
Bugpowder: seiing what?
dub: nowai?
Bugpowder: Kim?
dub: Kim is about to dump, suggset panic selling
Bugpowder: Lol
Bugpowder: nah he is gonna pump this shit up.
Bugpowder: Now my wife's girlfriends are asking me how to buy coins.
dub: FUCK
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: its a bubble when u get that.
kakobrekla: jk
Bugpowder: not yet
dub: yerp
Bugpowder: gotta be the shoeshiners
Bugpowder: when they tip you off. Time to sell.
error4733: it's a trap
pgp: hi
dub: sup, you Kim Dotcom?
Bugpowder: dude
Bugpowder: you gotta get MEGA to IPO on MPEX
dub: he invented pgp yo
pgp: lol initials
mjr___: jurov: you around?
mjr___: by the way, good job on the OIX mircea
jurov: mjr___ what's up?
mjr___: just referred my friend
mjr___: :)
mircea_popescu: cool
mjr___: he signed up for coinbr, did the referral code and all that work out right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077308 = 6.7258 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea tbh
jurov: nice.
jurov: but he has to fund to be able to do anything ofc.
mjr___: yeah he sent 30
jurov: ah, that was him. yes, it's well.
mjr___: waiting on it to verify now, i think
mjr___: haven't checked blockchain info in a few min
mjr___: ok, got two so far :)
jurov: oh someone sent 30 yest.. so this is other one
mjr___: buy buy buy
mjr___: yes, just sent it
mjr___: i'm actually on his comp right now, he prob goes by pgp
mjr___: but he hasn't talked much on this channel
mjr___: your the best jurov thanks a bunch
jurov: :) had to forward it, need to wait a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0056 = 16.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.596 = 12.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
dub: dice div come through?
Bugpowder: not yet
Bugpowder: deposit is in though
kakobrekla: assbot will tell you when that happens
mircea_popescu: where's that pic of the cats
mircea_popescu: and yes, assbot now says
kakobrekla: he will fart out the dividend.
kakobrekla: it
kakobrekla: she for jurov
jurov: mircea_popescu, will you delist s.dice if erik won't make it in 3 hours?
kakobrekla: DOO IT
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, the 5th is tomorrow
jurov: it says before 5th
Bowjob: OMG
Bowjob: Look at that bitbet
Bowjob: xD
Bowjob: 200 BTC on NO
Bowjob: Woww
Bowjob: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: (e)The representatives of SatoshiDice solemnly promise and warrant that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each calendar month will be published by them no later than by the fifth day of the new month.
mircea_popescu: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss SatoshiDice will pay to shareholders
mircea_popescu: well... e he did, f however no. let's see what he's up to
mircea_popescu: Bowjob which one ?
Bowjob: the BFL one
Bowjob: I was leaning on "yes" since apparently they are getting their shit together.. now im not sure again
Bowjob: Yifu apparently bet on the BFL march bet and won a fuckton
Bowjob: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: which was he, the 700 or the 600 ?
Bowjob: huh,.?
Bowjob: he's probably the one who put up 300++ BTC
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/
mircea_popescu: le wow, 10:1 huh
Bowjob: mhm. I thought it was you
mircea_popescu: maybe it's josh
dub: haha wtf
dub: trendon shavers showing up in my linkedin cloud
kakobrekla: lol
iz: lol
iz: add him
dub: I have no bitcoiners on there so srsly wtfing
iz: and endorce him for pyramid marketing
dub: PH there too
kakobrekla: maybe its groping the scammurs
dub: I must have stalked them at some point
iz: dub: http://www.bash.org/?115
guruvan: what's up in here - been a minute since I've been in
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/284/primeasic-has-a-miner/
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: o hi guruvan
guruvan: ohai MP - how's things? good to see you
dub: iz: lol
B0g4r7_: Does bitbet work linke BoB where they close the statement to betting if it becomes moot?
guruvan: mircea_popescu: bitbet looks pretty good - was checking it out today some
mircea_popescu: i think it's getting some traction
B0g4r7_: Like, suppose BFL ships March 10, will the bet still be open?
mircea_popescu: at least by the cooked graphs i have here.
B0g4r7_: I know they won't but if they did...
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 nah, once it's clear a bet ended early they get closed
mircea_popescu: it's not INSTANTANEOUS mind you,
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless.
B0g4r7_: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=447
B0g4r7_: "If no product has shipped by February 28th/2013, the product shall be considered vapourware and the statement shall be ruled as draw."
B0g4r7_: I just got refunded for that one.
mircea_popescu: umm
mircea_popescu: wait,d raw ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf bullshit bfl sponsored meni rosenfeld crap is this
B0g4r7_: ya rly
mircea_popescu: "we're making a bet except if we lose it's really get our money back"
dub: why does only faggy shit get through bash.org mods
dub: http://www.bash.org/?952948
mircea_popescu: no wonder josh was spewing all that bs about bitbet.
mircea_popescu: kinda hurts to have people that won't push scams huh.
Bugpowder: yeah I was going to drop major coin on that bfl bet, then I read the fine print.... DRAW?
dub: none of the comedy gold I've submitted over the years has made it
B0g4r7_: "This is gold, Jerry! Pure gold!"
kakobrekla: bah bitbet is so red
kakobrekla: cmon guys be more positive
Bowjob: lol. Im confused now.. I want to be on blue.. but WTF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.005501 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/284/primeasic-has-a-miner/ somebody likes prime ?
Bugpowder: It's the 10% of advertised specs part that has me worried
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 12/0.07
gribble: 171.428571429
ThickAsThieves: &estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4900626.90236 based on data since last change | 4958374.43923 based on data for last three days
B0g4r7_: Maybe primeasic pirated Avalon's chip design.
B0g4r7_: It'd be about right for the power numbers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5951 = 2.3804 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.595 = 2.975 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: chinese guy's hungarian girlfriend ?
jurov: if avalon is really a fpga's hardcopy, baybe they just used same blob
kakobrekla: lol
B0g4r7_: hardcopy doesn't come in QFN.
mircea_popescu: it'd be really retarded to make asics as fpga hardcopy wtf.
mircea_popescu: nobody can be that dumb
Bowjob: who knows about blockhain.info here
Bowjob: they are posting the wrong totals on my account
Bowjob: http://blockchain.info/address/152mAXabBVjB58bASMzZEJzPPU84gEgjZR