smickles: jborkl: I have not. Currently, my goals are to improve the look of the long lists, then get all mpex commands into the gui. That said, i've looked at what it takes to deploy a kivy app on android and it seems entirely doable
jborkl: I am trying Kivy launcher on Android, I will let you know how it goes
Namworld: I thought billg was referring to the [16:53] <@assbot> [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.858988 = 1.718 BTC [-] thing
Namworld: I don't see hashing having much of an impact.
unbalanced: Ah I was just looking for more info re: your mention of the ASICMINER above
smickles: jborkl: I put a 'thank you' line into the windows install instructions, is that ok with you?
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
billg: yes i meant asicminer
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.8588 = 3.4352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3656 @ 0.00077397 = 2.8296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8544 @ 0.00077505 = 6.622 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00075921 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 65.20001, Best ask: 65.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29999, Last trade: 65.50000, 24 hour volume: 88665.03030319, 24 hour low: 57.70200, 24 hour high: 66.00000, 24 hour vwap: 61.61345
smickles: mircea_popescu: you missed the one in bloomburg, and the one in businessweek?
Bowjob: id like to see a US dollar crisis
Bowjob: "worth over 53 dollars"
Bowjob: while it is true, I feel the article is outdated
Bowjob: a paradigm shift is occuring
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 65.20009, Best ask: 65.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.29990, Last trade: 65.49999, 24 hour volume: 88714.34219636, 24 hour low: 57.70200, 24 hour high: 66.00000, 24 hour vwap: 61.63805
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point i can't sleep cause i miss out
Bowjob: at first i was like.. yeah bitch imma cash out!
Bowjob: hey. in the future, i'll just end up spendingBTC
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00070356 / 0.00073898 / 0.00077505 (248006 shares, 183.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00066743 / 0.00071994 / 0.00077505 (2748479 shares, 1,978.76 BTC), 30D: 0.00061614 / 0.00070585 / 0.00078628 (38121639 shares, 26,908.39 BTC)
Bowjob: without trading btc for fiat
benkay: that sounds more like thinking, bowjob ;)
Bowjob: it doesnt make sense to kill btc for fiat.. fiat will rot
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.8588 = 3.4352 BTC [-]
benkay: being of sound mind and body, i'm converting my fiat as fast as i can, and spending the rest
Bowjob: im keeping around ~7k worth of fiat
Bowjob: some people owe me like 4k fiat
Bowjob: or.. idk, wasn't around for the drama
mircea_popescu: nefario is this chav that figured he's seen some bankers on tv so he's just as good.
Bowjob: I missed the pirate boatshow, bruce wagner, ASIC announcement
mircea_popescu: usagi is this white trash that has seen some women so he thinks he's a woman.
Bowjob: so I came in pretty late in the game
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0039 = 0.0078 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i hope btc goes over 70 so i can claim the first bitcoin corp over 50mn mkt cap
benkay: mircea_popescu: "first!"
dub: usagi must be a scammer because DT has endorsed it
mircea_popescu: i imagine the 1st to go over 1bn will make a larger splash anyway.
mircea_popescu: dub funny how that works out huh. that guy just won't learn.
dub: DT has a gift for detecting scammers
mircea_popescu: dub asicminer hasn't blown up so far, that's pretty much his only exception afaik.
dub: all he's doing with AM is a PT, theres still plenty of scope for that to asplode
dub: who wants to buy some AM!
mircea_popescu: basically the usagi threads are like old style russian manuals, and usagi is the delegated evil character which makes all the mistakes so the law abiding engineer guy with a soft love interest can set the record straight explicitly for the benefit of the reader
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.8588 = 5.1528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.8589 = 3.4356 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0044 = 0.022 BTC [+]
benkay: is that a trope in russian lit?
benkay: or were manuals really written like that?
benkay: also, iono what's in that envelope, but homie's probably about to get hiiiiigh
benkay: i was going to lock this server down
benkay: i was going to run bitcoind somewhere other than the box running my web app
benkay: i was going to lower the amount in the hot wallet
benkay: now bitcointalk's on my ass
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104999 BTC [+]
jurov: i hope bitbet first referral wins? or if user clicks on other ref url it's replaced?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8589 BTC [+]
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: thank you.
[\\\]: I look forward to my monthly $.27
[\\\]: I think you should raise fees more.
[\\\]: like 60 BTC at least
[\\\]: jurov, I see you've learned :)
[\\\]: see, everday is a teaching experience.
[\\\]: so if you double, I get >$1.00
gribble: Error: ".63" is not a valid command.
jurov: [\\\] you ain't ever get anything for free anymore
mircea_popescu: this from the "you are tearing down churches with no proof that god doesn't exist".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00077402 = 5.1859 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.858989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 51 @ 0.000712 = 0.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
[\\\]: jurov, I didn't get anything for free
pigeons: "Is there an affiliate program?"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.33319 = 0.9996 BTC [-]
[\\\]: jurov, you must have missed the part where I sold an idea
[\\\]: paging BFL hardware, table of 1
[\\\]: oh right, coming soon.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.858989 BTC [+]
pigeons: oh shit our test rig broke
[\\\]: we need a test rig for the test rig damnit!
jurov: [\\\] expects to be bribed to not ask mp to increase fees
pigeons: which has nothing to do with a mining rig by the way
[\\\]: pigeons: wouldn't throwing the chip on a board and seeing if it hashes be a good way to test it?
jurov: that kind of ideas
[\\\]: after all, he can have boards printed in like less than 24 hours
pigeons: [\\\]: probably how avalon did it, and why they only had 3 working units after a whole run of components
[\\\]: avalon has other issues
mircea_popescu: so basically here's march and we still don't have an asic maker
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.858989 = 4.2949 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 63.12999, Best ask: 63.13000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 63.13000, 24 hour volume: 91479.15178779, 24 hour low: 57.70200, 24 hour high: 66.00000, 24 hour vwap: 61.92404
Bowjob: 5 steps forward, 2 steps back
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: bfl is an asic maker
smickles: "Earn Bitcoin at the First Business Opportunity using Bitcoin as primary currency." lolwut?
[\\\]: they just haven't shipped yet
[\\\]: why you gotta be trolling man?
[\\\]: why's everyone hating?
[\\\]: They took the preorders in July.. middle of March.. 8 months later
smickles: "All users of Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind versions 0.7.2 and earlier are required to upgrade to 0.8.1..." REQUIRED!
[\\\]: Jesus, might as well make a baby.
[\\\]: its cheaper and quicker
[\\\]: smickles, yes. db locking is being a bitch.
[\\\]: pizzaman1337: not always.
[\\\]: bishes got horomones.
Bowjob: anyone here use electrum
smickles: lol, Dooglus has "I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen." in his sig now
Bowjob: its been there for a while\
Bowjob: and we are indeed the new wealthy elite
smickles: Bowjob: i dunno about you, but currently, it'd have to be about 1666666 usd/btc for me to begin considering that
gribble: There are currently 5896.4315 bitcoins offered at or under 67.0 USD, worth 386684.371278 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0016 seconds
Bowjob: how much btc do you have
smickles: hundreds and hundreds of bitcoins :D
Bowjob: i thought everyone here owned 1000s and 1000s of btc
smickles: i might've, but i actually use them
smickles: and, i sold a fuckload of my s.mpoe when it was at like .00002 or somehting
deadweasel: well that was just good business sense, smickles...
Bowjob: I need to beef my security up
smickles: mircea_popescu: i kept a lot too, (and i think i put an extra 0 in there)
deadweasel: Bowjob: your auth.log not looking so hot?
[\\\]: smickles, decimals are magic.. you can add as many as you want after the decimal
[\\\]: you could have added like 200 of them
[\\\]: I sold a ton of s.mpoe at .00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Bowjob: electrum keeps saying synchronizing
[\\\]: it is having a hard time adding 0
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 328 @ 0.00075921 = 0.249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0007592 = 2.2776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00075919 = 2.2017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2849 @ 0.00075675 = 2.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.004999 = 4.999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 999 @ 0.00499999 = 4.995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 201 @ 0.005 = 1.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6623 @ 0.0051 = 33.7773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 26004 @ 0.005598 = 145.5704 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 63.50000, Best ask: 63.70002, Bid-ask spread: 0.20002, Last trade: 63.70002, 24 hour volume: 92771.15913148, 24 hour low: 57.70200, 24 hour high: 66.00000, 24 hour vwap: 61.99830
benkay: dunno if that counts as an 'asset' anymore.
Bowjob: I feel like eating steak
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.858989 BTC [+]
Bowjob: its keeping its fiat value
dub: ok Bowjob is retarded
Bowjob: but dropping against btc
ThickAsThieves: first they wanted to smoke, then drink, now they wanna rap over some beats
benkay: at first, I read that as "I am getting crunk with my floor, guys"
dub: in related news, asicminer should be worht 3btc now
dub: AM is the only dog in the race
topace_: i havent been following, what did avalon do?
benkay: url markdown's broken in that post
Bowjob: avalon is gonna take a vacation
kakobrekla: i have a feeling they found a meter free elec plug and now making exuse not to sell by increasing the price xD
dub: topace_: admitted to not having shipped batch 1, not having capability to ship batch 2 and charging moonbeams for batch 3
topace_: dub: lol oh.. thats not good :p
mircea_popescu: but basically i think dub has it : they've decided not to ship but mine instead.
mircea_popescu: which they had been allegedly dfoing a little anyway (people reporting dusted units delivered)
mircea_popescu: tomorrow you figure since you're dipping anyway might as well keep it all.
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that can happen ? they get a btctalk scammer tag and a chinese relic hunter is hired to track them down and "have a chat" ?
mircea_popescu: dub so perhaps asicminer figures the same and your 3 isn't gonna be 3 for very long.
dub: and Bowjob has a peurto libre (sp?) level case of stockholm
Bowjob: haha sure buddy. whatever makes you feel better
benkay: put zhou tong on the case
dub: spew moar miconisms troll
dub: forum needs a 'ignore people with anime avatars' widget
dub: guaranteed waste of electrons
Bowjob: who are you? i dont even know who you are
Bowjob: im flattered you care so much about it. thanks
topace_: and bfl is "stuck on their test rig"
kakobrekla: bfl decided to refund customers in btc, you know 2 per and mine themselfs too
Bowjob: dub, you probably were offended by my bfl comments, someone's butthurt
Bowjob: and i dont have stockholm, I've covered my BTC purchase with fiat, actually
dub: im actually feeling a lot better about my bfl preorder now :)
Bowjob: haha i knew it. you were butthurt
benkay: so emotionally attached to their mining rigs
[\\\]: without miners, bitcoin would have no future
dub: if I was butthurt t'would not be due to you repasting the rampant threadshitting of the other clowns
[\\\]: mining with a gpu IS a miner
benkay: slashes, let me finish before you jump down my throat
[\\\]: benkay, then use punctuation.
benkay: asics are arguably bad for the ecosystem,
[\\\]: notice how the forum hasn't gotten any donations since January?
benkay: they cost a lot of money, and deliver a lot of hashing power to the purchasing entities.
[\\\]: benkay: you realize people said the same about gpu?
benkay: it's also hellza tricky to manufacture your own chips. not that i know from experience, never having sunk shitloads of money into a litho run and subsequent processing (knowing how much things cost in the first place).
benkay: this absurd focus on overpowered mining rigs is evident of an unhealthy focus on short term gains over long term tools to expand the bitcoin economy.
[\\\]: another rocket scientist here to school the rest of us
[\\\]: save us from ourselves.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] why'd the forum fget donations tho ? so theymos can come up with weird financial schemes ?
Bowjob: oh, and nice use of stockholm by the way, irrc I was the first one who used it against BFL. I'm honored
[\\\]: now we're gonna gonna split it up because one person can't hold it
[\\\]: and 2 of 3 is too complicated
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: at this point, its more than 200 bux
[\\\]: oh look, now its even more
mircea_popescu: benkay no, actually, asics are a crucial step in securing the network.
benkay: still hold that the furor over their delivery to market is idiots.
mircea_popescu: and in a sense it's good that a bunch of no starter corps did it first
mircea_popescu: this way when somebody makes a real run, it's dented somewhat
benkay: there are plenty of fabs here
benkay: gotta find some forward thinking intel folks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2151 @ 0.00075675 = 1.6278 BTC [-]
benkay: granted, most are cubeslaves
dub: as a core developer, i look upon all Avalons as my son. i will send them to who believe us, not the faithless or buzzard.
mircea_popescu: if someone could talk them into sinking the moneyz into it.
mircea_popescu: if bitcoin weren't so retarded we'd have all ny escorts by now
mircea_popescu: and then i could find a foxy chick to train for this mission of infiltrating amd top brass
benkay: a southern california stanford student would suffice
benkay: probably not as smart as a new york whore
benkay: but more likely to raise the funds for an asic round
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074461 = 3.7231 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.98 = 5.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3348 @ 0.0007446 = 2.4929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2552 @ 0.00074261 = 1.8951 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: get rory & bruce in a fingertrap, 2014 sees 1mn asics delivered
tiberiusiv: anyone notice the daily transactions have fallen from 75k to 45k
benkay: local talent is better than no talent, and silicon valley has plenty of chip facilities and fabless foundries.
benkay: constant value of transactions with decreased value of fiat currencies?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P570T] 1 @ 0.07415034 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: does the confirmation time decrease with more hasing power?
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: if I create and sell put options, and I want to buy them back before they exercise, how do I do that?
kakobrekla: it will retarget to 10 min every 2014 blocks or smth which is ~2weeks
gribble: Current Blocks: 227033 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 774 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6269965.33146 | Estimated Percent Change: 29.34038
jcpham: let me rephase, assuming all miners are "good" yes the linear thought is that confirmations should increase
jcpham: especially with pools ops increasing block size restrictions in their mined blocks
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: when I do that, should they be removed from the "To which add sums deposited as surety for 4th Friday settled option and future contracts" section?
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv confirmation time is a function of the ratio between implied hash and actual hash.
jcpham: introduce nefarious hashpower and that doesn't hold true
mircea_popescu: if diff retarget works on 20th and then miners do 30th,
tiberiusiv: are those in here with substantial bitcoin holdings hedging ?
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv i sold ~1k btc, but not really doing much other than that.
jcpham: throw some more o's in there
mircea_popescu: i mean, when options expire, you get collateral - put value back from collateral + put value back from holdings
tiberiusiv: this latest move has been too far too fast
pizzaman1337: Ok, I guess in two days I'll feel comfortable with this
benkay: or lose all of your money :D
benkay: that's the important thing.
benkay: too many focus on the former.
pizzaman1337: benkay: that's why I'm only messing around with <10 options this month...
benkay: mircea_popescu: devops is hard yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10764 @ 0.00074261 = 7.9935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1686 @ 0.00073845 = 1.245 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: go to bed, btc is 64, wake up btc is 64... btc is same! not happened in forever...
mircea_popescu: he's in the shitspot of all time. unlike mpex he doesn't make infinite moneyz so he can't spend infinite moneyz, unlike mpoe he can't just go "heh, trade on irc fu".
mircea_popescu: he may still solve the problem by proxiing as he's trying, but it'll be more work needed
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you went to bed wrongly. i went to bed it was 60 woke up 64
benkay: disagree. 1000 is inevitable.
[\\\]: thats what they said about gold
Chaang-Noi: im willing to wait 2 to 5 years for 1000
TomServo: what is short term in bitcoin time?
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv suppose the us fucks up. such as, california actually defaults.
[\\\]: illinois will default before california
[\\\]: detroit already defaulted, no?
jcpham: i heard bitcoin outperforms gold
TomServo: last i heard the state wanted to 'take over' detroit
jcpham: for like the first time in millenia
tiberiusiv: during a default fractional reserve lending works backwards and fiat dollars are destroyed, making the existing ones worth more
jcpham: shiney metal less valuable
mircea_popescu: we're discussing perception. the 50-65 runup was pretty much all cyprus media circus
mircea_popescu: yeah, but frankly i don't think anyone from outside much cared
tiberiusiv: 1000 bitcoin would mean the daily trade volume would have to be at least 100mil
the-bucket-shop: I think 50-65 was FinCEN saying it's not illegal to accept btc
[\\\]: most people don't even really understand what fincen means
TomServo: I think the topic being mentioned at that level means something at least.
jcpham: bitcoin foundation blog say ignore it kinda
mircea_popescu: [\\\] has it. fincen is important for people in the know. deeply in the know
[\\\]: hell, half the people in the know don't know
[\\\]: the report released right now is only guidance
[\\\]: nothing's technically changed
[\\\]: but something could change
tiberiusiv: fincen recieves so many suspiscious transactions a day its impossible to analyze them all
jcpham: then there is the rest of the world
tiberiusiv: kind of like the stazi in east germany, they collected so much data on people it just overwhelmed them and they couldnt do anything
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv they didn't collect it lol. peopel just kept calling it in.
tiberiusiv: government bodies tend to be highly ineffective
jcpham: effectiveness is in the ends
jcpham: they've grown ineffetive
Chaang-Noi: FinCEN to me means soon large investers, lije hedge funds will pour money in, might be happening now
[\\\]: Chaang-Noi: shouldn't you be off with your rice?
jcpham: bitcoin has been perfect for hedging since day one
TomServo: regarding cyprus, how in the WORLD does a topic like that just get bandied about in politics?
Chaang-Noi: but hard to pour in millions and millions
jcpham: volatility,laws, and time are the problems
tiberiusiv: chaang-noi: if that was true we would see tighter bid/asks
tiberiusiv: doesnt take much to knock the price back to 50
Chaang-Noi: right now they are all buyers, they have noting to sell yet
[\\\]: jcpham: I actually thought he made a good point
tiberiusiv: i thought the depositers got a great deal in cyrpys
mircea_popescu: [\\\] of course he has a point. old elite gettingstomped is always a good time to nostalgia.
[\\\]: all the fail in the community isn't a good thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2364 @ 0.00073845 = 1.7457 BTC [-]
jcpham: wait... who is the community again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4286 @ 0.00073772 = 3.1619 BTC [-]
jcpham: i thought everyone had their own walled gardens by now
[\\\]: jcpham: I forgot this was compuserve
jcpham: should've built your castle by now
tiberiusiv: mircea: why did you choose to return to romania vs other EU destinations?
jcpham: in the age of kings who is your ally?
[\\\]: my moat runneth deap
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv timisoara particularly is conveniently placed.
[\\\]: what happened to that bot? :(
jcpham: dude that blog is in funny symbols
jcpham: what does it mean brah
tiberiusiv: mircea: personal freedoms in RO vs US?
jcpham: what is th 2006-2007 cacriza
jcpham: wtf are you talking about
jcpham: is this vortex mathmatics
jcpham: i heard about that on a TEd talk once
tiberiusiv: i think you made a good choice vs new zealand
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv let me give you a very good example that just happened recently.
jcpham: photons don't have mass mircea_popescu
jcpham: you should really watch that youtube
jcpham: learn something new for the oix metrics
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.91 = 2.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.92 = 3.68 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: mircea: how is the cost of living there?
Chaang-Noi: if add in the dividends that is like 1 btc a share
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.928 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.921 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.921 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9289 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.929 = 2.787 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.929 = 2.787 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.929 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv minimum wage ~500 lei / month. comes to 150 bux
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.47249999 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: namworld: they are in the EU so any cheaper goods would get exported out
dub: out of tubes in the case of fish
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.195 = 0.585 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv about like italians, maybe a little better.
mircea_popescu: certainly has the world's best champagne, for instance.
mircea_popescu: lots of agricultural tradition, probably the oldest continuously farmed land in europe outside of italy proper.
tiberiusiv: i find it hard to believe you can survive on 150 a month
mircea_popescu: money has no value if everyone can survive on minimal wage. that's socialism.
mircea_popescu: you want to survive, you'd better start doing something useful.
Namworld: People here can survive on minimum wage =/
tiberiusiv: but youd be living in near 3rd world level
TomServo: easily possible once you starting cracking out the kids
dub: pack of smoeks is ~$20 here
mircea_popescu: you can just plant your own tobacco, costs you about 1 cent per leaf or something
tiberiusiv: canadian mcdonalds were pretty automated from the high minimum wage
mircea_popescu: it's not very good of course, but it's way better than any industrial crap.
smickles: i worked at a taco bell, saved up some money, bought some land
mircea_popescu: i dunno who still smokes ciggarettes with all the stuff they add
tiberiusiv: namworld: you cant survive on min wage in the US
smickles: there are cigs available w/o the additives
Namworld: Seems odd... I thought most were on or near minimum wage in most countries.
tiberiusiv: average US wage is about 22-24 per hour
smickles: min wage in 'merica is sufficient for survival if you arn't a fucking dumbass
Namworld: minimum wage is way more than needed...
tiberiusiv: what planet are you living on namworld?
smickles: I had a 1 room apt until i had enought to buy a plot of land and a cheep ass trailor
tiberiusiv: in canada you have to work 1 week @ minimum wage just to pay for car insurance
dub: in soviet canukistan wage minimums you
Namworld: 1 room appartment is too costly. Take a large one with co-tenants
tiberiusiv: 500sq ft apartments in toronto rent for like 1500
Namworld: Well don't go live in fucking toronto downtown.
tiberiusiv: namworld: anywhere else you need a car which is impossible to afford on min wage
tiberiusiv: i was just in ontario for a few months
tiberiusiv: its impossible to live in canada without a car
tiberiusiv: people were paying 200-400 a month in insurance from 1-2 speeding tickets lol
smickles: the scooter was awesome b/c it had a small enough engine that the state considered it a bicycle
Namworld: You can rent for 500 USD/month and have a 80$ monthly pass for public transit. Minimum wage is 10$ per hour so 400 per week or over 1600 per month. Cut 25% in taxes.
tiberiusiv: up at 6am to sit in traffic for 2 hours
smickles: i worke with plenty of people who couldn't manage their money, in their case 7.5/hr was not enough
Namworld: 1200 per month... you can live on that no problem in canada.
smickles: plus, they often refused to work more than 20hrs a week
tiberiusiv: namworld: you realize thats 50% below government povery line?
tiberiusiv: canadian government classifies under 24k a year income as poverty
Namworld: What poverty line? You lack nothing on minimum wages.
dub: I pay $1400/m in rent
jborkl: minimun wage pays effective federal tax
smickles: mircea_popescu: it was a better vehicle than the 82 mazda b2000
tiberiusiv: the high min wage means prices are sky high
Namworld: That may be. But it's feasible if you don't waste money.
jborkl: minimum wage is 8 or so
dub: mircea_popescu: thats business expense not personal
tiberiusiv: minimum wage in ontario was 10.50+ last time i was there
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jborkl: realistic lowest wage paid to a adult is about 11
dub: mircea_popescu: I pay a lot more than that in mortgage repayments too
Namworld: WTF MAN! You don't need a freakin 1500/month appartment or eat 10$ meals at McD to survive!
tiberiusiv: car insurance 200-400 on a honda civic per month
Namworld: Chips are not 4$ and smokes... well really, smoking does cost a lot.
tiberiusiv: namworld: mcdonalds is cheaper then groceries
tiberiusiv: namworld: are you aware an average home costs 650,000 in ontario?
smickles: yeah, a good part of how i did well on 7.5/hr was that i cooked my own meals, had a veggie garden
Namworld: No car on minimum wage, but public transit, what's wrong with that?
Chaang-Noi: in australia shit is crazy high cuz of the boom, i was told about 12$ bananas
tiberiusiv: canadians survive on credit cards and home loans
Namworld: Well don't buy a 650k house in Ontario man...
tiberiusiv: ive never seen such a population loaded on credit
Chaang-Noi: in AU a guy drives a truck on a mine and makes $150k a year...
jborkl: alot of the us is too big for public transportation
tiberiusiv: public transportation sucks unless its those 300km/h trains
smickles: he who can manage his money is god among men
tiberiusiv: namworld: in canada to live well, ie go on vacation once a year and have stuff you need to earn 15k a month pretax
tiberiusiv: or else you just grinding paycheck to paycheck
mircea_popescu: meanwhile 15k a year in romania gets you two households with their women and children
dub: if you think eating mcdonals 3 meals a day is living well..
smickles: tiberiusiv: i don't know you, but you might benefit by traveling a little
tiberiusiv: dub: poor people eat mcdonalds in canada
tiberiusiv: for $10 you get enough calories for the day
mircea_popescu: the internet still the great social class mixer i see, bringing together those who otherwise would never meet.
smickles: why not eat boiled potatoes or smt
Namworld: tiberius: I can do the same on 2.5 per day if I wanted on regular groceries...
tiberiusiv: man how many times are you going to repeat that
smickles: mircea_popescu: an orange can't be that hard to come by
Namworld: I like a little bit of luxury in my diet tho.
tiberiusiv: toronto for example is more expensive then NYC
dub: yall niggas nee aquaponics
smickles: dub: fishing is awesome, even when since i had enough money to not have to do it, i still like pulling a fish out of the river for dinner
Namworld: There's tons of people living on less than 2k per month that don't lack anything. They have plenty of food, decent appartment, everything they need. You don't need 15k per month to survive. If you can't live without that kind of money... well really, I don't know what to say.
dub: smickles: I go fishing maybe once a wekk avg over summer
dub: smickles: got a kayak setup with sonar etc
tiberiusiv: You would need around 6,552.20lei (1,967.29C$) in Timisoara to maintain
tiberiusiv: the same standard of life that you can have with 4,900.00C$ in Toronto
smickles: dub: lol, i just need to look at the water/land to know where the fish are
dub: well the fact that you said river..
mircea_popescu: you can;'t realy compare romanian local cheese to canadian tho
dub: I prefer salt water fish
mircea_popescu: romanian cheese is like the expensive imported french gourmet stuff
Namworld: I thought the point was about having enough to live by without living from check to check
tiberiusiv: surviving on min wage in ontario is impossible
tiberiusiv: wait behind restaurants for unfinished plates
smickles: cuz you can't survive w/ 3rd hand clothes
Namworld: I think you mean Toronto, really. Not Ontario...
tiberiusiv: you need a car in ontario and the running cost is high
tiberiusiv: that would eat up 50% of your min wage salary
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you fix that url in 'strategic superiority'
Namworld: tiberius... I don't know of anybody with a car costing them 600 per month...
Chaang-Noi: lol at prototype, and lol anyone who is shocked at this, they claimed they never had anyhting working, and if their chip run was bad, ohhh lulz
Namworld: and you don't need a car, it is almost impossible on minimum wage.
Namworld: Although a bit cheaper than what you say.
Namworld: Unless you buy a new car every few years
tiberiusiv: if you are poor i think you are better off being poor in US then canada
tiberiusiv: because you can move to a warm state and at least have the climate
mircea_popescu: by early to mid next week. Should be pretty smooth sailing after that."
Namworld: idk about Toronto because I've never seen the prices there.
dub: tbh, you don't prototype an asic
dub: you know what im saying
Namworld: But really, from what I know, you're not on 3rd hand clothes or living on fast food on minimum wage. You have plenty of good food, new clothes, decent appartment and eveything on a minimum wage. No car, no vacation. But you have enough money, can spare to make savings and have sufficient extra money to spoil yourself a bit.
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tiberiusiv: namworld: you are so full of it im not going to continue, the government in canada classifies anyone under 22k a year as poverty
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Namworld: But those price you mentions are not representative of what I'm accustomed to.
tiberiusiv: the prices were high for everything there
tiberiusiv: namworld you must be living in the middle of nowhere, self sufficient
tiberiusiv: public transport is none existant in ontario
tiberiusiv: quebec cost of living is 30-40% lower then ontario since half the population is poor
tiberiusiv: and montreal is more european then american
Namworld: Your prices are for Toronto. And toronto jobs tend to pay much more than minimum wages. So are living costs.
tiberiusiv: min wage in quebec is like $4 isnt it?
Namworld: I think it got raised recently, maybe more than that.
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Namworld: oh, $9.90, 10.15 starting may 1st
Namworld: You probably struggle on minimum wage in Toronto, but wages are higher there, just like rents.
tiberiusiv: quebec has 20% youth unemployment rate thanks to the min wage
Namworld: Possibly the same in Vancouver.
tiberiusiv: 10 min wage in a poor place like QC lol only in canada
Namworld: QC ain't really poorer than the rest of Canada.
tiberiusiv: montreal is probably my favorite city in canada
Namworld: We're talking about something like 1/8th less than Ontario I think.
tiberiusiv: the roads are third world though in QC
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Namworld: I think we might just not have the same definition of minimum needed.
smickles: woah, what is the table trader doing
smickles: at face value, that looks like a hard short
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Namworld: or Toronto prices are really high... but wages there are among the highests in Canada.
smickles: i guess that was cutting losses from earlier ?
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tiberiusiv: really would like to see a stronger bid wall
smickles: ah, i see that on the chart now
mircea_popescu: i guess he's buying it back on the theory that he doesn't want to earn that last .05 at the risk of one full week
mircea_popescu: All options expire on the last minute of the last Friday of their month (UTC times).
kakobrekla: > goat: well yeah, you know, this almost sounds like a scam :/ [on BFL] <- lol your standards
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: maybe I'm not interpreting this correctly, but from stat: "To which add sums deposited as surety for 4th Friday settled option and future contracts"
mircea_popescu: thing is, to make the thing real crazy, futures (the fiat ones) used to be settled 4th friday
pizzaman1337: I was wondering why the options mpexbot had up seemed high
smickles: futures are diff, love the pun
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error4733: gentleman be ready ! i'm bullish but i smell a huge correction !
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mircea_popescu: "Given that Krugman is against bitcoin, the thing is certain to succeed."
pizzaman1337: the mpex bot didn't price all of those options at 0.05351801, did it? how did they close at that level? (did the person trading have limit orders?)
mircea_popescu: if you look at the book all puts under 50 or so sell for 0.05351801
mircea_popescu: otherwise you could go 100k btc into mpoe bonds, then just buy cheap options and siphon interest away
Namworld: true. There's a minimum price for options.
PAPASO: hi,any chinese friend here?
smickles: mircea_popescu: lol, you hate the chiners?
smickles: heh, it's just the way you answered
PAPASO: yes, i want to trade option
smickles: it could be implied that noone here is friendly to the chinese other than rick. which isn't true ofc
PAPASO: buy i dont know how to use this system
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pizzaman1337: if I'm doing my math right, it seems that person made > ~$100k? crazy
smickles: "There’s a reason supplying works a certain way. I order the goods, you deliver the goods within a couple of days and get paid within a couple of months. NOT the other way around. Never the other way around." mircea_popescu you must have a look at the kickstarter model
smickles: you pay for and order the goods, then they company may or may not even make the product, if they do, you might not get it
smickles: pizzaman1337: the neat thing is they do it over and over
pizzaman1337: I need more BTC, I want to play this game too...
Namworld: It's a game with huge losses and huge gains...
mircea_popescu: as in, shorted puts, price collapsed, covered same day
mircea_popescu: but yes, you can make a pretty penny if you have the capital
mod6: (19:24) < mircea_popescu> "Given that Krugman is against bitcoin, the thing is certain to succeed." << one of the best comments on that ZH article
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Chaang-Noi: i forgot we hit 66 when i was sleeping
mod6: well, i thought it was funny anyway.
Chaang-Noi: we spiked up to 65.3 and i got all tingely for nothing
mircea_popescu: so is Luke-Jr going back to bfl by early to mid next week ?
Chaang-Noi: i guess i dont understand what he is doing there
mircea_popescu: course it's much like inaba trying to prop bfl, you don't prop flagging scams with retarded trolls.
mircea_popescu: to prop, you know, stick a bit of wood in the way of a collapsing wall
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i dont think that is going to work cuz they keep going home with nothiong
mircea_popescu: but basically people get a 95% haircut if they refund, so...
Chaang-Noi: i think there is a rule that you have to wait 3 months after ordering or something
Chaang-Noi: but i have not seen many people bitching
mircea_popescu: no, they pretty much get to walk away with whatever they scammed off the idiots thinking they're the btc "community"
tiberiusiv: but the BTcs were instantly sold by bitpay
Chaang-Noi: your girl thinks bitcoin community = WoT
tiberiusiv: BFL would be massively insolvent if they had to issue full BTC refunds
mircea_popescu: so then let's make a new deal : you can't refund btc, you can't take btc.
dub: ;;getrating friedcat
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tiberiusiv: well they used BTC as a medium of exchange
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Chaang-Noi: selling stock to get money to build a company, if that is not finance i dont know what it is
mircea_popescu: it's actually worse than the usual glbse / usagi crap.
tiberiusiv: what ended up being the reason for glbse closing
mircea_popescu: he did it without advisory and he fucked it up pretty good.
mircea_popescu: you know how companies floating themselves retain the services of banks ?
mircea_popescu: this is because companies are not in finance, they are in whatever the fuck their ops are.
Chaang-Noi: friedcat did his own finance clearly, he did not hire a bank...
Chaang-Noi: he can do morethan 1 thing at 1 time...
Chaang-Noi: lose an argument, have nothing left but insults, classy :/
mircea_popescu: you come quoting wikipedia in this discussion insults are too good a fate.
smickles: lol, that pic "wall street, the center of american finance" with what looks like a highwayman and a security camera looking the other way
mircea_popescu: anyway, tiberiusiv : nobody really knows. my theory is the head chav got a bad dose, went psychotic, thought da polis is after him, deleted everythign
mircea_popescu: of course simple idiopathic schizophrenia always works as an explanation too. it doesn't have to be drugs.
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smickles: typical onset is early adulthood, no?
mircea_popescu: but usually there;'s episodes first, before full blown tableau.
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mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi a better traversal tool would be ;;gettrust mircea_popescu X
Chaang-Noi: oh he did some wierd ass numbers or something
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smickles: lol, PayPal has the worst cumulative rating
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Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I haven't left yet.
Chaang-Noi: i thought you reported about the new building design?
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Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: I'll be back at their labs tomorrow morning..
Chaang-Noi: i guess that means they must think they are progressing
Luke-Jr: and back home Friday evening, unless they ask me to stay and my wife gives the okay
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr wait. you went or didn't go ? are you there now ? this is getting more and more self-contradictory.
Luke-Jr: but srsly, so bored here I'm not sure about staying much longer XD
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I arrived here last Thursday, and am still here now.
Luke-Jr: I lived in KC like 6 years ago
Chaang-Noi: only good place i know are places odds are you wont like
mircea_popescu: i dunno doods, if i went for a week's vacation it'd prolly not be kentucky.
Luke-Jr: all I have walking distance is a Sonic's
mod6: they mean kansas city
mod6: either way though lol
[\\\]: <Chaang-Noi> at least i admit when i fuck up << BULLSHIT
smickles: the footbal team sucks, but it's fun b/c the crowd really gets into it
Chaang-Noi: i never said go to kc, but if you have to be there eat bbq
Chaang-Noi: yeah go chiefs, but last season... omg
Luke-Jr: dunno, KC was okay except for the complete lack of Catholic churches
Diablo-D3: missouri is southern baptist territory
Chaang-Noi: Luke-Jr there used to be some, but the southern babtists took them over
[\\\]: Luke-Jr, they've probably got Catholic churches, just not the kind you approve of.
Chaang-Noi: my parents go to what used to be a catholic church
Diablo-D3: he doesnt even recognize the new pope
mod6: you could drive to topeka and go to WBC
[\\\]: Diablo-D3: he approves of >25 BTC
[\\\]: Diablo-D3, he didn't recognize the last 4
Diablo-D3: Im not catholic, but I didnt mind john paul II
Luke-Jr: mod6: Topeka is actually the nearest Catholic mission, and had Mass last Sunday that I couldn't get a ride to
Diablo-D3: at least he tried to tackle the pedophile problem
smickles: also, kcmo isn't as good a kck
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: he wasn't a Catholic
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: he wasn't a pope either
Diablo-D3: hell, there was a second attempt on his life, one in the vatican will admit to
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: hence why I moved out of KC
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr's view of Catholicism doesn't match the 2Billion other Catholics'
Diablo-D3: the ring of pedophiles that control the vatican tried to kill him because he was trying to get rid of them
Luke-Jr: [\\\]: it matches the 50 billion others ;P
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: Omaha, worst decision of my life
Diablo-D3: modern catholocism (ie, everything from 200AD on) is built on lies and fraud
[\\\]: Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr disagrees
smickles: they moved to columbus, ne before it happened tho
[\\\]: he only bailed on the last 50 years.
Diablo-D3: I dont care if he disagrees, the historical record blatantly says this
Chaang-Noi: Luke i thought you were going to say boston or something
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Luke-Jr: just ignore Diablo-D3's trolling, I am
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Diablo-D3: lol, am I trolling if I say popes led armies into the middle east to murder innocent people?
[\\\]: Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3 doesn't troll.
Diablo-D3: So, I am trolling Luke-Jr with cold hard facts.
Diablo-D3: So you're saying the holy crusades never happened?
Luke-Jr: no, I'm saying they were led by civil authorities and killed GUILTY people. that's why they're holy
Luke-Jr: for the most part, the Crusades were a defensive retaliation
Diablo-D3: yes, they were defensive against women and children who were guilty for the crime of being alive. yup.
Chaang-Noi: yes lead by civil but lol at killing guility people:)
mircea_popescu: smickles like say there's this hot chick in a short skirt and she's wearing no knickers right ?
mircea_popescu: you get her against a wall and give her a good seeing-to
Luke-Jr: so someone breaks into your house and throws you out. then you go buy a gun and chase him back out. that's what the Crusades were (the 2nd part)
Diablo-D3: oh dont get me wrong, they raped the women and children too
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: except Jesus said to live side by side in peace.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr say, if they were holy how come they lost ? the arabs kinda owned them holy ppl...
smickles: mircea_popescu: you crack me up
Chaang-Noi: they won the crusades in spain if that counts
mircea_popescu: ya except la reconquista was perhaps the bloodiest, messiest most agressive act of racism in european history
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: thats a pretty hard thing to claim, really
smickles: what about the popes who just wanted the power and held orgies, killed people for the fun of it and such?
Diablo-D3: I mean, what about the whole slavery thing in america?
Diablo-D3: I understand luke's point when he says not real catholics
Diablo-D3: anyone who believes in God wouldn't have done that
Luke-Jr: smickles: what about them?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 also known as the not true catholic phallacy.
Diablo-D3: and the catholic church is still to blame for it
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smickles: Luke-Jr: it's an entertaining read, isn't it? (the history of the popes)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: this is why I just moot the entire issue and say everything after 200AD is built on lies and fraud
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:784991315e879c5e141fbfc3d3c15b7be6d7bb814adb9b75d248b223
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Luke-Jr: smickles: not particularly.
smickles: Luke-Jr: you don't like political thrillers, do you?
Luke-Jr: smickles: I'm betting you ignored what led up to the bad popes?
ThickAsThieves: Luke-Jr, what is the current BFL asic status, I haven't been keeping up?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: most of them were pre-protestantism
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: St. Pius X - Pius XII?
Luke-Jr: those are frauds, not popes
Luke-Jr: neglegent laity and clergy
Luke-Jr: Pope Pius XII allowed modernism to flourish, more or less
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smickles: "oh god what a horrible thing" comes to mind
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the catholic church was not started by peter
Luke-Jr: the Catholic Church was started by Jesus
mod6: rate jesus -1 there's that entire mess in the temple to sort out. << HAHA
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: of course he did
mod6: erp. missed his nick. :/
Luke-Jr: even if the civil powers neglected their duties, Pope Pius XII could have proactively issued written excommunications against all modernists identified
Luke-Jr: instead of basically ignoring them taking over the seminaries and such
Troic: modernisms like euthanasia, gay marriage, abortions and female bishops ?
pigeons: always look on the bright side of life
pigeons: Troic: he means speaking english
Chaang-Noi: jesus did not start the catholic church, that was paul? wtf?
Luke-Jr: modernism is the heresy that truth/doctrine can change over time, basically
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: He founded a Church and that was the only thing He left mankind with for guidance
Chaang-Noi: it started 30 to 40 eyars after he died
Chaang-Noi: ? the catholic church was around before sual/paul was a christian?
pigeons: i dont think Luke-Jr is going to convert to litecoin Chaang-Noi
Luke-Jr: after His resurrection, he appointed St. Peter to be the first pope; shortly after His ascension, He sent the Holy Ghost to consecrate His first bishops
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mircea_popescu: no but srsly. pius xii ? nazi germany ? anything there ?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: what about it? the pope did much to save many jews from persecution
smickles: Luke-Jr: do you believe that jesus gave that one saint his foreskin as a wedding ring?
Luke-Jr: smickles: I have no idea what nonsense you are talking about
smickles: or that jesus left his foreskin on saturn as the rings
mod6: anyway, there is no use debating this stuff.
pigeons: jesus gave the saint jesus' foreskin or jesus gave the saint the saint's own foreskin?
Luke-Jr: mod6: more interesting than sitting around notihnging
pigeons: jesus was a jew, he saved and preserved his foreskin that long?
Chaang-Noi: if you guys want some lulz you shouldread about the mormans
mircea_popescu: boys, i am proud to announce i have the first ever intelligent pumpkin ready to show everyone
Chaang-Noi: some of thei rstuff is fucking insane, it is really a good read
mircea_popescu: if things go about as planned should be early to mid next week
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: mormonism is an extremely insane false religion
Chaang-Noi: luke yeah, it is so insane it is fun reading their texts
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: I try to avoid reading demon-dictated texts
smickles: Luke-Jr: saint catherine of sienna, i think
mircea_popescu: your poisonous donation caused pdpc to be audited by the tax office
Chaang-Noi: luke jr is bitcoin a sign of the end of the world? where everyone must you a truly world currancy? is the the begining of the end?
Luke-Jr: Chaang-Noi: where do you get this nonsense from?
pigeons: you can't buy or sell without the number of your private key
smickles: Luke-Jr: she's the one who jesus married by giving her his foreskin (in her mouth)
Luke-Jr: you should get your head checked out if you're getting revelations
Chaang-Noi: however linking it to btc is a streach
mod6: Chaang-Noi actaully has a point... and many people take the bible literally.
smickles: Luke-Jr: well, what's the real story of that then?
mod6: they talk about some sort of one world currency and some trumpeting angels and stuff.
Luke-Jr: smickles: um, there is no story like that
smickles: they cut off her hand after her death to preserve it
Chaang-Noi: mod6 revalations is a damn good read to
mod6: [\\\]: the group that runs freenode
pigeons: [\\\]: peer directed projects center, former org running freenode till they took mircea_popescu 's money and ran
[\\\]: "You've reached freenode, a service of Peer-Directed Projects Center (PDPC). freenode provides discussion facilities for the Free and Open Source Software communities, for not-for-profit organizations and for related communities and organizations."
[\\\]: they haven't updated their website
mircea_popescu: about five weeks after someone in "bitcoin devteam" tests something.
smickles: Luke-Jr: you're saying that she didn't receive the forskin of jesus?
[\\\]: where can I see an article about all of this
smickles: it's part of why she's a saint?
Luke-Jr: smickles: I've never heard of anything of the sort
Luke-Jr: smickles: apparently neither has wikipedia
mircea_popescu: smickles this is why he doesn't support modernism : so much new stuff just from not having read it before...
kakobrekla: wiki is almost as stupid as bible didnt ya know
pigeons: shit smickles i thought you were making up the rings of staturn bit
smickles: mircea_popescu: i've got a picture of it
smickles: Luke-Jr: apparently you can't read wikipedia all that well
mircea_popescu: you know it's so damned unlikely jesus ever touched a tome... too expensive.
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[\\\]: mircea_popescu: they didn't have kindles?
Luke-Jr: smickles: I searched the page for 'foreskin'
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: sure, he's still cutting my grass outside
mircea_popescu: [\\\] only the harlots and modernists had kindles back then
Chaang-Noi: okay new topic muhammad the true profit
[\\\]: shutup Goat, we're still on jesus
mod6: no one fucks with da jesus
[\\\]: so jesus, a goat, and a jew walk into a bar, right
nOgAnOo: I am a born again Christian
[\\\]: what were you born the first time?
mod6: what is going on in the world
nOgAnOo: The second birth is into the family of God
nOgAnOo: Adam fell and became sinful
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Luke-Jr: mod6: we're racing to $100
nOgAnOo: each creature can only reproduce according to type
mod6: nOgAnOo: successful troll 7/10
nOgAnOo: therefore because of Adam we are all sinful
[\\\]: Luke-Jr: don't buy any more please
nOgAnOo: You need to be reborn into the family of God to go to heaven
[\\\]: the last time you bought, we crashed to $2
Luke-Jr: [\\\]: oh, buy. why would I buy?
[\\\]: why did you buy at $25?
Chaang-Noi: i hate to leave this wonderful conversation but i has gots to go to a tropical island so i can drink beer and not do much else, catch ya all later, happy trading
mircea_popescu: [\\\] because he had 5 bucks and nothing to do with it
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pigeons: seriously the alleged foreskin of jesus was said to be stolen by a chinese relic hunter
pigeons: he came back for bitcoinica
[\\\]: I think I'm going to make a script that automatically ignores people that write more than 2 lines in caps in a row
pigeons: i thought the chinese relic hunter excuse was original to zhou, guess not
[\\\]: whatever happened to zhou tong and his art dealer boyfriend?
Luke-Jr: WE CAN HAZ A DUOLOGUE IN CAPS AND BYPASS IMSAGUY'S SCRIPT KIDDINESS
smickles: Stop, .. banner time! oh, oh, oh, oh
[\\\]: omg, I f0rked the chain!!!11one
Namworld: This channel was better before nefario went full retard. Never go full retard. Before than, there was more interest in BTC assets.
Luke-Jr: Namworld: ironically, the FinCEN thing suggests GLBSE was 100% legal in the US
mircea_popescu: there were more poor people deluding themselves with btc assets.
[\\\]: pigeons: he was working on that during bitcoinica
smickles: < Luke-Jr> Namworld: ironically, the FinCEN thing suggests GLBSE was 100% legal in the US
smickles: missed the part about unregulated securities Luke-Jr ?
Luke-Jr: [\\\]: iow, FinCEN is okay with it, but SEC would get him?
pigeons: oh shit better get my MSB license so i can still sell on silk road
Namworld: Well, fair enough mircea. I know MPEx has been doing well and is the major volume. But at least there was more regular chatting about BTC businesses and less unrelated talk.
Namworld: I'm not really talking about volume, just quality of talk in this channel.
[\\\]: Luke-Jr: SEC cares about securities, FinCEN is worried about money laundering
[\\\]: Namworld, ninja please
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: because you were stoned at the time
[\\\]: that was before you had to give away mpex accounts
[\\\]: thats about the same timeline
smickles: I can type on the keyboard too
[\\\]: I remember back when glbse didn't require ID
mircea_popescu: what exactly was it, peter lambert advising re sensodyne ?!
pigeons: use to not need a web page for glbse
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: idpic with b00bies*
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i made mpoe.etf on the old version of glbse
pigeons: ok let me get usagi to send you his key
mircea_popescu: pigeons i think you're on the list of paid trolls nao.
[\\\]: I thought usagi was female, no?
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: me too!
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu wants a pic of me nude?
[\\\]: pigeons: penis, tits?
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: I meant paid troll
[\\\]: DMC making money the old fashioned way... at the casino.
pigeons: yeah whats the deal Diablo-D3, donating to shareholders of s.dice?
Diablo-D3: pigeons: not at all, they are donating ot me.
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: want a hack to always win SD?
[\\\]: are there bets on when satoshidice fails?
[\\\]: that'd be the ultimate bet
[\\\]: betting on when the house will shut down
mircea_popescu: i know there was one on s.mpoe but it's not going so well
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: besides, I would think you would want me to do God's work.
pigeons: there is a bet on betsofbitco on when evorhees goes to jail and one for guantanamo
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: may I make a bet that will bet on when bitbet gets shut down?
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: We both worship the same God, and Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
[\\\]: mircea_popescu: you can be shutdown without being dissolved.
pigeons: as soon as the bet is high enough [\\\] pays the gov agent bribe
[\\\]: so is that youtube really usagi?
[\\\]: as in the bitcoin usagi?
[\\\]: you can't unsee it
jcpham: wait bitcointroll.org resolves!?!
pigeons: but i know ill get tempted later
Luke-Jr: pigeons: you should join us up here in KC
mod6: that can't be usagi, because there are no girls on the tubes
Luke-Jr: (I'm not the only Floridian here - and the others have been here longer)
pigeons: yeah sounds like yall are having fu
Namworld: I see vampire music in the videos list...
jcpham: who do itip for bitcointroll.org
Luke-Jr: jcpham: there's dramatalk.org too
Luke-Jr: jcpham: wizkid057 setup bitcointroll.org
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: Do you not wish to feed the hungry or heal the sick or other things good Christians would do for those in need?
smickles: < [\\\]> so is that youtube really usagi? << usagi personally told me that was tehm
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Luke-Jr: we should just drop Florida on top of KC until BFL ships
[\\\]: <Luke-Jr> we should just drop Florida on top of KC
[\\\]: Namworld: male/female
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pigeons: what's the deal Luke-Jr they just rushed and had bad luck?
pigeons: ok clicking usagi luke's god help me
Namworld: multiple personality disorder?
Diablo-D3: I notice Luke-Jr didnt answer the question
[\\\]: ok, let's discuss the following statement:
[\\\]: "new hardware for the test rig and that should get us what we need by early to mid next week."
[\\\]: 'early to mid next week'
jcpham: what happens next week
[\\\]: so a whole bunch of nonspecific crap
Luke-Jr: jcpham: BFL comes up with their next excuse
[\\\]: jcpham: bfl can test their shit
pigeons: ok since its flash i dont get to see usagi
[\\\]: you would have thought they would have tested their tester sometime in the past 4 months
[\\\]: why wait until the day you're trying to do stuff for real?
pigeons: so is josh actually pleasant in "real life" as alleged?
ThickAsThieves: Next week, we'll tell you what's gonna happen next week. Stay tuned!
[\\\]: ;;google herp derp
Luke-Jr: pigeons: as long as he's not driving
jcpham: oh wait is this a butterfly labs story
[\\\]: holy shit, there's bfl's address
jcpham: they've got to be close to shipping right
[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: sometime next week, I should be able to maybe tell you something you probably don't want to hear
jcpham: like not many excuses left
[\\\]: jcpham: you'd think
[\\\]: next is the hurrican
pigeons: shit it can't be cheap to put luke up in the kc hilton for a week and pay him irc
[\\\]: and then the alligators that broke in and stole their power cords
jcpham: i mean unless they run out of bubble wrap and cardboard
jcpham: cardboard shortages could ruuin bitcoin
[\\\]: it'll be a few weeks
[\\\]: we gotta hire a replacement
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[\\\]: oh crap, jody didn't pay the water bill
jcpham: just open up preorders
[\\\]: someone clogged the toilet, see you next month
[\\\]: uh oh, the floor's a little dusty
[\\\]: we better get it inspected
[\\\]: they can't make it until June
jcpham: don't forget UL stickers
pigeons: i'm seriously waiting for avalon asics to be common and then bfl buy them and slap butterfly stickers on them and ship
[\\\]: oh god, we ran out of made in america sickers
jcpham: should probably just email their support this caht
jcpham: to let them know we're wise
[\\\]: jcpham: just trying to help him out
[\\\]: why lie when you can have others do it for you?
[\\\]: pigeons: did you see the avalon that just sold on ebay for $20k?
[\\\]: they won't be common
Luke-Jr: [\\\]: they have a simple shell script they run when people demand an excsue
jcpham: i did see that auction
[\\\]: Luke-Jr: you realize that you have to go in there tomorrow?
[\\\]: and I'm going to send them a gpgsigned copy of this log
jcpham: Luke-Jr goes to BFL tomorrow?
pigeons: gpg signed by freenode or what
[\\\]: jcpham: he's there now
Luke-Jr: I could always go downtown instead..
[\\\]: pigeons: no, by conman
jcpham: oh that should be neat
[\\\]: I know he'd send it
pigeons: i'll gpg sign a copy of some shit i make up
jcpham: i'll drop ship a camera
Luke-Jr: jcpham: why? there's nothing to see
[\\\]: pigeons: I'm rendon
Luke-Jr: jcpham: proof there's nothing there?
jcpham: be the guy luke-jr that does the thing
Luke-Jr: Sonny didn't want me to take his pic by the BFL sign :P
jcpham: smuggle out the contraband
Luke-Jr: jcpham: got that in my laptop case
Luke-Jr: precursor to the coffee warmer
jcpham: sothe vortex math crap leads to these crazy coils
jcpham: i got stuck on youtube for hours
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: whatever the DMC shares count as
Luke-Jr: but not really keeping track of GLBSE crap
jcpham: torroids and the universe
jcpham: it got real trippy i had to turn it off
Diablo-D3: hey, is any of SD's bitcoinds public?
jcpham: some crazy brazilian dude is spouting crazy decimal nuclear math
jcpham: that leads to complex torroids
jcpham: HN linked to a TED talk today from 2010
jcpham: i've been stuck on it all day
Diablo-D3: jcpham: TED is pretty neat isnt it
jcpham: well they called it bullshit
jcpham: these motors and coils are not
jcpham: i've enjoyed a good many of the talks
Diablo-D3: now, presumably, it really is all true
Diablo-D3: even the highly theoretical stuff might be commercial in the next 20-30 years
jcpham: fractal antennae on cell phones a re a great example
kakobrekla: ohh now i can finally asseble my timeflux capacitor
jcpham: engineers were not thinking fractals in the 40's
pigeons: how do you tell youtube to give you html5
Diablo-D3: jcpham: yeah, but when do they start thinking with porals?
Diablo-D3: pigeons: not all videos are in an acceptable format yet but most are
mircea_popescu: obviously bitbet absent. amusingly, i imagine it's paid a good chunk of total referals ever paid in btc
pigeons: these tedtalks are better than the real oness
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu well its burried on the bottom of the faq
Diablo-D3: jcpham: Im thinking it has a large amount of bullshit or it depends on a function of quantum physics _no one_ understands
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu one must really look for it
Diablo-D3: jcpham: theres been a lot of people who've tried that
Diablo-D3: jcpham: all they end up doing is inventing hyperefficient motors, generators, and other shit like that
Diablo-D3: they get like 99+% efficiency and think its overunity
jcpham: i'm really trying to understand the jump from the bullshit charts
jcpham: to the torroids and the motor windings
jcpham: because the two are related
Diablo-D3: I wish all motors, dc converters, and generators were that efficient
jcpham: and the explanation makes no sense to me
Diablo-D3: like, sure, it adds weight and size
jcpham: they keep going back to that freaking chart
Diablo-D3: but imagine if Tesla had access to a 99+% efficient motor
Diablo-D3: it'd double their runtime in their cars
jcpham: this seems very much tied to tesla voodoo
jcpham: i want one of those cars
mircea_popescu: and while some on the forum may stil lhave a little btc left, traffic is a diff matter.
Diablo-D3: Tesla, Son of God, Lord of the Cosmos, Savior of Science, etc etc probably built those in his sleep
Diablo-D3: so I wonder how much money SD actually makes every day
mircea_popescu: "For those of you that are aware of the digital currency Bitcoin: There has been discovered an exploit that utilizes a series of computers on an "isolated from the internet" back-network that participates in intercepting the data stream where the bitcoins are circulated/stored. The backnet of PC's run a series of algorithms that have the net effect of doubling the bitcoin amount sent to certain addresses. This happens
mircea_popescu: for BOTH receiver and sender to certain bitcoin rcv address programmed into the algorithm."
pigeons: not a passthrough i mean a fan club
mircea_popescu: This is working as of March 19th 2013 and if you wish to double you can simply send any whole amount to bitcoin address:
Diablo-D3: "hi, I cracked sha256, but Im only using it on bitcoin"
Diablo-D3: where is this place where bitcoins are circlulated/stored?
Diablo-D3: I bet its full of robot arms moving piles of bitcoins around
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I MUST FIND THIS PLACE
Diablo-D3: come on, Gandalf, we're going to mount gox!
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jcpham: whats this japanese obsession
jcpham: [\\\] thanks you've turned my world upside down
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pigeons: yeah i used them saw the writing on the wall a few weeks ago when their one usd withdraw method, aurumxchange vouchx wouldnt work because they didnt have any reserves with aurum anymore
toffoo: they have ACH withdrawal too
pigeons: yeah thats for people who use banks
jcpham: mommy...what's a bank?
pigeons: i used to think usagi was just stupid, but this sounds evil
mircea_popescu: pigeons that issue has been hotly debated since last year
pigeons: "No one knows where the price is going next week or next month but if you have vision, you can predict what is going to happen next. "
pigeons: "You strike me as someone who has the sight. So. Buy a little today, buy a little tomorrow.
jcpham: if usagi from the forum is the person from the youtube video i was watching
jcpham: i can't listen anything that person says
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pigeons: that's not going to get you your coffee in canada invitation re extended
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midnightmagic: Did you quote me again in a paid article this time?
mircea_popescu: you get 5 free a week, iirc, so you can take solace in the fact that the articles quoting you are free. it's the others that go ten to the penny.
midnightmagic: Oh did you ask me questions that I never answered?
mircea_popescu: but irrespective, how's the ngzhang integrometer these days ?
mircea_popescu: you're gonna end up running for political office i suspect.
midnightmagic: Indeed. ngzhang's Icarus designs were available to anyone, including open-sourced fpga bitstream, pcb layouts, BOM, and supporting software.
midnightmagic: He refused to allow mass-purchase of his designs, and when he took preorders for Avalon, he refused to allow single parties to buy up the entire stock.
mircea_popescu: because his devilish little plan was to get a bunch of people to vouch for him.
midnightmagic: He reversed designs of BFL and gave the information to the public. This is the evidence on which I based my opinion that he was the most ethical hardware manufacturer.
midnightmagic: I don't really care that he's upped the price. With a machine that pays for itself in less than 5 days (with luck) why would he not?
midnightmagic: Or is it that when someone else makes money, you have a problem with that?
mircea_popescu: so you still view him as "one of the most ethical businesspeople I’ve seen in a long time" ?
pigeons: wait what did he do unethical? The thing I'm aware of is lying about having shipped when they hadn't
dub: hes basically bfling
mircea_popescu: well pigeons, something like this basically : "Avalon took interest-free fiat-denominated loans from silly white westerner peoples, built their rigs, used them to mine a little (as people were reporting dust inside their units upon delivery) and eventually decided to not deliver at all anymore, just keep the miners and mine for themselves."
midnightmagic: pigeons: Do you mean the fact that they're still not done the B1 shipments?
dub: giving dates when he knows they wont be met
mircea_popescu: granted, i don't go by the very superficial approach most people seem to use.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: omg dust inside. where are you getting they mined with them. doesnt seem they did
mircea_popescu: i guess he's never said cunt so he must be very ethical (or just not sufficiently familiar with english)
pigeons: midnightmagic: i mean when avalon said that batch 1 had shipped please pay for batch 2 and 2 weeks later they said ok now we're shipping batch 1 i guess they werent caught at customs like we said
pigeons: seriously, someone reported dust means they mined when the evidence seems to show they didnt
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pigeons: gonna have to have more than that
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If that is, indeed, what he's done, that sucks. I don't see any evidence for them mining their own hardware (difficulty spiked only on delivery as per users self-reporting,) but then you tend to jump to conclusions a lot (as per your assertion that gmaxwell wanted to steal rich peoples' money, because you didn't grok multisig, for example,) so why let the lack of facts get in the way this time?
mircea_popescu: the appearing/dissapearing mystery miner people kept thinking was asicminer ?
pigeons: your really misinformed on this one mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you're misrepresenting the issue by clinging to this sidepoint.
mircea_popescu: how did avalon get their money to start this business ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm misrepresenting that you often draw conclusions from insufficient evidence?
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pigeons: they went to the forum said give us money and we'll build some asics then they built them
mircea_popescu: this is the crux of the issue. community gave you teh equity,
midnightmagic: After 900 units, a giant and sudden price spike, and the fact they honour trade-ins from previous customers? How shockingly unethical </sarcasm>
pigeons: how can mircea_popescu say people should be nice and not raise prices
mircea_popescu: i'm seriously the only one of us three seeing an issue here ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Someone's making money, money is king, except when you don't directly benefit. Then you suddenly grow a conscience?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If they are doing what you're saying, then that is utter bullshit. Total crap, because it's competing with their own customers.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you know, you shouldn't let your preconceived notions blind you so.
mircea_popescu: the only equitable way here is for avalon to recognise everyone that paid them for rigs for their equity contribution, and distribute revenue from now on.
mircea_popescu: this "you've financed our corp so here's a complimentary biscuit" doesn't really cut it.
pigeons: they said give us X we give you a prduct
pigeons: and the people who got them are happy
mircea_popescu: they claimed they're selling an item, but the item didn't at the time exist. the people "pre ordering" simply made equity contributions.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Actually, it's more ethical to ensure widespread device installation.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic ethical != what'd be most desirable you know ?
mircea_popescu: sure, for bitcoin widespread mining is the best outcome.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Ethical is what's we're talking about here isn't it?
mircea_popescu: so let's try and follow this logic see where the problems lie.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: are you seriously basing your allegegations of self mining on reports of dust?
mircea_popescu: pigeons yes, but i consider that a sidepoint of little importance
pigeons: that is usagi level insane
pigeons: no wonder you thought enough alike to have his assets in your cdos
mircea_popescu: woe upon me for trying to give bitcoi nnoobs chances etc.
pigeons: there is plenty of evidence that each unit shipped and reported delivered corresponded with the estimated hashrate, and on the other hand you calim someone had dust
mircea_popescu: no piece of hardware i ever bought as new came with dust in it.
mircea_popescu: are you taking some sort of microscopic dust approach ?
pigeons: no, go to the factory, take something off the line put it in a box for 2.5 days, then run your finger over it
midnightmagic: I posit an alternate explanation: they purchased or had available the case metal prior to assembly, sitting in a supply bay somewhere.
pigeons: why did their pre-mining yeild them no coins or increased hashrate
midnightmagic: Which one is more likely based on hashrate increases post-asicminer claimed hashrate?
mircea_popescu: pigeons again, the mystery miner people thought was asicminer.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic there was a one thing doingmore than asic at some point.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Which mystery miner is this you're talking about, anyway?
pigeons: why are they such logistical geniouses that they had their units way ahead of sheculed when it bankrupted everyone else so far ahead of schedule they could pre mine except the hashrate and genratded coins dont show it
pigeons: no wonder people dont tell you who they are every time they turn up some units mircea
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire pre miningargument is a waste of time. i said "a little", you so far are making a case it's not a lot, maybe it;'s not a lot.
mircea_popescu: proving its not at all will be too hard to be worth it, so can we just leave it aside ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Primarily, you have said that the b3 update shows they are unethical. So far you have said "they took preorder money" and "they mined prior to sale" as your claims for this to be so. Anything else?
mircea_popescu: yeah, if we can get to it, i'd like to explain this pre order money thing, cause it's what's important here.
midnightmagic: Okay go ahead. Also, you don't have my permission to quote anything I've said today.
mircea_popescu: any capital exchange will be for consideration. the nature of this consideration is not the empire of the parties, but a matter of fact.
mircea_popescu: so for instance if you pay a girl five dollars to feel her underwear and she sucks your cock while you do it
pigeons: that's supposed to mean they werent supposed to take money to develop asics then deliver the asics?
midnightmagic: kakobrekla: Actually, channel rules don't supercede explicitly-defined moral rights under the copyright acts of both Canada and Romania.
mircea_popescu: point 2 : any purchase may only be entertained by a seller of an existant item. nobody can sell what they don't own.
kakobrekla: midnightmagic you should read that before you join or /part
mircea_popescu: becaue of this, any purported sale of inexistant mining equipment is to be quashed as such.
pigeons: you are off the deep end mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: well or before if you see the web page first.
midnightmagic: kakobrekla: I am aware that this channel was made a publically-logged channel (but not in the topic) as a top-down directive because you are in the #bitcoin-* namespace.
mircea_popescu: point 3 : any capital transfer with a view of a common enterprise is an equity buy, entitling the payer to a stake in the common enterprise, as agreed
mircea_popescu: and if no such agreement exists, to an equitable stake.
kakobrekla: midnightmagic cool then you wont have problems with quoting.
midnightmagic: kakobrekla: I have a problem with the quoting mircea does. It's illegal.
mircea_popescu: now, this is how things are. this isn't open to debate, it's long established point of law. you're welcome to challenge it, but it can't be challenged by simple personal exceptionalism.
mircea_popescu: now, on the basis of this, if you later charge more per item than what you've disbursed to your original equity holders,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 21 @ 0.47139999 = 9.8994 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: kakobrekla: Actually, to be honest, I wish there were complete logs of this channel up somewhere..
pigeons: why didnt you tell them and they buyers that "give me money and ill build something for you and mail it to you" legally means you get equity in the company too in your made up world when they stated taking orders
pigeons: well why didnt you bring it up when they started
mircea_popescu: actually, if bfl delivering weren't such a moot point, i'd be collecting these rights as we speak and sueingthem into oblivion anyway
mircea_popescu: pigeons i don't recall them asking / me caring at that tiem.
mircea_popescu: they could have *maybe* weaseled it past if they just kept doing the same thing.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Are pre-orders for nonexistent hardware illegal in China?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i have no idea about chinese law. my judgement as to ethics is based on my space, not theirs.
Namworld: They don't appear universal. Opinions seems to differ greatly on the topic.
midnightmagic: You are speaking of two orthogonal points it seems to me.
midnightmagic: You are making comments about suing them into oblivion, while simultaneously ignoring jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the shocker for me in all this is that i thought all this is plain obvious to anyone considering the matter.
midnightmagic: It almost seems as though you have misinterpreted your own assertions.
midnightmagic: Since I am no longer confident I am arguing just with you, I'm going to stop now.
midnightmagic: Tell whoever it is who's giving you those words to explain them better next time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00072608 = 3.9934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00072727 = 26.509 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Moving on, if and when there is in fact evidence that ngzhang is acting unethically (I do not view a price increase on its own as unethical) I will be happy to eat my own words.
mircea_popescu: so this is all fine & dandy best you can determine then ?\
midnightmagic: Until then, I'm not going to discount his vastly understated Icarus+Lancelot contributions simply because some random guy asserts a bunch of unsubstantiated rumours to troll others into providing information when he could just ask.
midnightmagic: I am disappointed in the price increase if that's what you're asking.
mircea_popescu: what, an aesthetic rather than ethical consideration ?
midnightmagic: I wonder if you take my words and argue them with other people...
midnightmagic: It would provide the underpinnings of an excuse for what you're doing on your blog.
mircea_popescu: you're not quite that important, sorry to burst that bubble.
mircea_popescu: or are you about to tell me you're metaphisically dissapointed ?
midnightmagic: lol, I'm apparently important enough to misquote and reputationally impugn twice as retaliation for not being part of your echo chamber.
mircea_popescu: vast conspiracies of evil people whispering me basic law in the ear
midnightmagic: I wouldn't call it aesthetic nor ethical objection to a price increase.
mircea_popescu: what deflection ? yer the one trying (kinda lame-y) to impugn or whatever.
midnightmagic: Just simple disappointment because I was considering at last doing a trade-in of my Icarus but I don't want them to charge me batch #3 prices.
mircea_popescu: if it's not your idea of how things should be and it's not your idea of beauty, and it's not what you expect the gods want then what is it
mircea_popescu: you know midnightmagic , you are currently speaking in prose.
mircea_popescu: these two are all there's available to you. if you're not speaking in verse, then it's prose. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: it's an ethical issue, you just don't want to face it.
midnightmagic: It's a personal loss of potential future earnings. I would say it's purely internal.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: I just find your hypocrisy growing by leaps and bounds this last while, and I don't understand what's unravelling you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00521073 = 10.9425 BTC [-]
midnightmagic: What is your problem anyway? Like if bitcoin is such a source of contention for you, why don't you just shake your head at its stupid inanities (sociopathic community elements included) and move on?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9062 @ 0.00072537 = 6.5733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 554 @ 0.00072506 = 0.4017 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: why exactly would i do or not do anything because some people are stupid/unethical/whartever ?
midnightmagic: You sure don't act like it's not really much. You get worked up over little things more these days than you used to.
midnightmagic: Well, the vitriol you post here and on your blog is quite a vent.
midnightmagic: Like, what do you care whether evidence should or is or isn't updating my opinion?
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care. i wanted to know whether it does or it doesn't.
midnightmagic: Yeah but why? If I'm so inconsequential, so vapid that everything I ascribe to you is somehow just a reflection of self, and you're this bulletproof supercock, then why do you want to know?
mircea_popescu: no. caring is personal. knowledge is impersonal. there's a categorical distinction you're trying to equivocate.
midnightmagic: The drive to know a specific topic is very personal, especially when it's the personal drives of someone else.
mircea_popescu: not really. i'm merely interacting with you on the grounds of you speaking in this public channel.
midnightmagic: There is, and will never be, personal gain for you to know what's going on in my head.
mircea_popescu: you made some statements of a third party, they're part of the public record,
mircea_popescu: i wish to know for the future how much faith to place in your similar statements.
mircea_popescu: that's your contention, but it doesn't carry much water with me.
mircea_popescu: but as long as you talk in the market you're participating to the public discussion.
midnightmagic: Your poor English is making your diction ambiguous again.
midnightmagic: Well, if you think this is all a one-way sponge going on, I guess we're done.
midnightmagic: Don't worry, it's just because you're a sociopath. I'll care enough for the both of us.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00450321 = 4.5032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.0045032 = 22.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00559697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00072506 = 5.5467 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 227087 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 720 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6308385.69152 | Estimated Percent Change: 30.13294
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 64.88600, Best ask: 65.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11400, Last trade: 64.88600, 24 hour volume: 90256.56593335, 24 hour low: 57.90100, 24 hour high: 66.00000, 24 hour vwap: 63.17442
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4596 @ 0.00072506 = 3.3324 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 129 @ 0.000729 = 0.094 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000733 = 0.0733 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 671 @ 0.000734 = 0.4925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 140 @ 0.00439 = 0.6146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.998 = 19.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 27 @ 2 = 54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.349 BTC [+]
Bowjob: I gave a hobo $5.00 today
Bowjob: fuck, he probably will use it for drugs
Bowjob: he said he was gonna buy a burger
Bowjob: i watched him as i walked upstairs, didnt go to the a&w closeby
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 2 = 14 BTC [+]
Namworld: A statement of the obvious. I prefer when they don't talk.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.349 = 1.047 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.3495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 17 @ 0.00438 = 0.0745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the chick in that pic is putin's younger and rather hawd daughter.
Bowjob: nurseries are starting to open.. but they only pay $10.25 for the most part
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 66.50001, Best ask: 66.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.38999, Last trade: 66.50001, 24 hour volume: 91099.23550100, 24 hour low: 58.80000, 24 hour high: 66.89000, 24 hour vwap: 63.56070
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.899 = 8.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.888 = 1.776 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.888 = 1.776 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.899 = 5.394 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.109978 = 1.0998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.109979 = 0.6599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.01605 = 0.0803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4746 @ 0.00073067 = 3.4678 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.3332 = 2.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00074208 = 4.8606 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I just wrote a script that can calculate your SD earnings if you keep putting your entire money in
Diablo-D3: it obviously doesn't have all the possible outcomes
Diablo-D3: you have to edit the first two variables too
Diablo-D3: and its rigged that you're doing 1 BTC per bet
Diablo-D3: you'll have to multiply $winnings on line 53 against your bet size
mircea_popescu: i think i have bitcoin's funniest inbox. i say so. people more tortured than me show me snippets from their ticket systems such as "hi, how do i transfer this to silkroad?"
mircea_popescu: no, i don't have bitcoin's funniest inbox. bitcoin is just too funny for one single person.
Diablo-D3: milk toad is the dumbest thing ever
Diablo-D3: I mean, how can you NOT know thats a cia op
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 that aside, making a support ticked with your legit btc/usd exchanger on how to do this...
Diablo-D3: especially since how the fuck is the exchange supposed to help you
Diablo-D3: I assume milk toad gives you a unique address to send to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00074086 = 5.1119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9585 @ 0.00074208 = 7.1128 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont think I wrote the actual winnings part right
Diablo-D3: because it thinks I should have 1380 BTC from 33.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.899 = 2.697 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8888 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.885 = 2.655 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.885 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.88 = 1.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.873 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: my luck is probably going to run out, but average winning is 2.39% over 351 tries
Diablo-D3: then I'd be able to afford to start DMC 2.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 50 @ 0.0018 = 0.09 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, my winnings are much more realistic now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6047 @ 0.00517705 = 31.3056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00073828 = 9.5238 BTC [-]
jurov: strange...my phone suddenly says "Bitcoin: Package is invalid"
jurov: reinstalled the wallet app, all seems ok
jurov: good that i keep only pocket change there (if 1BTC is to be considered pocket change lol)
Bowjob: you should change the math question to more exotic ones
Bowjob: answering 36 everytime gets boring
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01358 BTC [-]
Bowjob: and a bot can easily spam it if they know the answer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2372 @ 0.00073828 = 1.7512 BTC [-]
Bowjob: not that a bot would spam bitbet but lol
Bowjob: well it was more like to see who's mathematically challenged. or not
mircea_popescu: The week of activities are set to conclude with a “Lace and Leather Burlsesque Show.”
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.71001, Best ask: 68.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.18998, Last trade: 68.89999, 24 hour volume: 96113.23446697, 24 hour low: 58.80000, 24 hour high: 68.90400, 24 hour vwap: 63.89423
Bowjob: poor fucker. my acquiantance wanted to buy bitcoins, i told him yeah, ill sell you at spot price. that was when bitcoin was $59 dollars
Bowjob: its scheduled this sunday
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.70001, Best ask: 68.90582, Bid-ask spread: 0.20581, Last trade: 68.70001, 24 hour volume: 96314.01940328, 24 hour low: 58.80000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 63.91369
Bowjob: cypriot banks are still closed?
Bowjob: this is just the appetizer then
jurov: was anything interesting discussed last night?
Bowjob: 75% of the voters think BFL should get a scammy tag
jurov: i ended by catholic churches in KC, thought prolly i can be doing sth more productive
Bowjob: prices in BTC, not tied to fiat
jurov: i wholeheartedly support avalon/bfl. as long as they cause interest in difficulty futures, which difficulty then fails to materialize
Bowjob: so each avalon batch 3 will cost 88 btc ea
Bowjob: well, 115 is the 4 modules
Bowjob: 88 btc for 3, + 2 btc for the psu
gribble: Current Blocks: 227144 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 663 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6391557.23688 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.84865
Bowjob: they are really nailing batch 3 customers this time
Bowjob: what i dont get is why are they taking a vacation
mircea_popescu: basically, they got the design all paid and tested, will deliver whatever and now time to selfmine
mircea_popescu: move to new place, get some warehouses, start biz for real
Bowjob: a vacation.. they already did so much.. might as well finish the damn job
jurov: angela merkel can't be *that* stupid.. or she really doesn't have other option
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 17 @ 0.109 = 1.853 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov they totally fucked up that. i've seriously not seen worse diplomacy since bush.
mircea_popescu: basically they failed to understand the "stolen" money in the oligarchs bank accounts isn't stolen by those oligarchs from the state
jurov: even without considering russians, that's still worst possible solution
mircea_popescu: it's the second time she fucked up, incidentally. the closing down of nuclear plants was already indicative. she doesn't think too well.
jurov: London City denizens must be seeing red, too
mircea_popescu: she just goes on whatever data she has. often that's crap, and when it is she doesn't know about it,.
mircea_popescu: when it gets to the point where retired folks see plainly they're riding into a wall and they have no clue you know things won't end well.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2255 @ 0.00073552 = 1.6586 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: shes going to destroy germany at this rate
bitesak: that's maybe what she was hired for
Bowjob: when germany gets destroyed bad things happen
Bowjob: maybe we'll see the 4th reich
mircea_popescu: not terribly likely. so far she's getting a dissident wing in her party
mircea_popescu: "IAmA RedditIsland Steering Team committee member and Seasteading Institute Ambassador. AMA"
jurov: zactly as it says on title.
mircea_popescu: all the bitcoin sellers are short bitcoin from the moment they take fiat till when they deliver btc
mircea_popescu: since most take the fiat first as a precaution there's unwanted short interest created in large volumes all the time
tiberiusiv: just going to end badly when everyone herds to the exit
Bowjob: but cashing out to fiat doesnt really make sense
mircea_popescu: "Internet tax supporters are hoping that a vote in the U.S. Senate as early as today will finally give them enough political leverage to require Americans to pay sales taxes when shopping online.
tiberiusiv: why not some people sitting on huge gains maybe they want to buystuff
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv it becomes problematic tho. the poor probably quit already, the rich really don't have a problem of getting fiat
Bowjob: though im not wealthy LOL
Bowjob: i have enough fiat for the next year to eat whatever I want
mircea_popescu: deadweasel nono. let them tax it. finally good reason to bitcoin.
Bowjob: hey mp, is your offer of get MPEX mentioned at a newspaper?
Bowjob: since i've got nothing productive to do but fap all day, and I don't feel like working a min wage
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what that is, some local canadian paper ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem like worth the bother, but if you've not anything better to do why not
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.43998, Best ask: 68.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06001, Last trade: 68.50000, 24 hour volume: 97812.61495029, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.03919
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1696 @ 0.00072466 = 1.229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00071724 = 9.5752 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.01000, Best ask: 67.14374, Bid-ask spread: 0.13374, Last trade: 67.14374, 24 hour volume: 100774.97862368, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.15077
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.108999 = 1.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+]
TomServo: pardon my ignorance, window for what?
Ukto: wait, coinbase what ?
deadweasel: i use them because it's easy, but it's not easy anymore.
Ukto: they are borked? is there a link ?
Ukto: news/forums article
deadweasel: i just went to my account, pending transfer from yesterday still stuck. couldn't buy because they'd reached their 'daily rolling limit'
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand this whole 'we're out of coins' thing
papaso: open a account need to pay 30btc to owner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.47 = 1.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.471 = 2.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.47139999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00070779 = 1.4864 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8289 @ 0.00070736 = 5.8633 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.00439 = 0.0263 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 10853.134 bitcoins offered at or under 69.99 USD, worth 747960.59105 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 269 @ 0.0042 = 1.1298 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 9907.9092 bitcoins offered at or under 68.99 USD, worth 682460.720431 USD in total. | Data vintage: 82.5744 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.26000, Best ask: 68.27000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 68.27000, 24 hour volume: 102768.56697483, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.31059
gribble: There are currently 772.42237 bitcoins offered at or under 68.88 USD, worth 52976.3574245 USD in total. | Data vintage: 118.8765 seconds
ThickAsThieves: so its just big players trying to slow down the price to buy more?
imsaguy: *cough* #bitcoin-church *cough*
imsaguy: abracadabra: it wasn't address to you
imsaguy: be glad I didn't post #2 in the channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2184 @ 0.00070736 = 1.5449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1616 @ 0.00070324 = 1.1364 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.4714 = 4.714 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.475 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.07176, Best ask: 68.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02824, Last trade: 68.10000, 24 hour volume: 103087.94303030, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.34889
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.108 = 0.972 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.898 = 1.796 BTC [+]
imsaguy: it must be fapfapfap o clock in romania
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.46 = 1.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.108999 = 1.09 BTC [+]
MJR_: what is an echo chamber?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.17241 = 1.7241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.004397 = 0.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 270 @ 0.0044 = 1.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 275 @ 0.0044 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00071173 = 4.0569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6904 @ 0.00071507 = 4.9368 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.8979 = 1.7958 BTC [-]
MJR_: so, probably unlikely but I like to think this rally was my birthday present :)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.90000, Best ask: 68.90582, Bid-ask spread: 0.00582, Last trade: 68.90582, 24 hour volume: 107834.14770626, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.65216
gribble: There are currently 8729.3961 bitcoins offered at or under 69.98 USD, worth 601874.449587 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P570T] 6 @ 0.05341351 = 0.3205 BTC [-]
MJR_: I'm 31 now...old man
splnkr: I'd think the "-assets" channel suffix kind of implies an over-30 set
splnkr: sure, but i'd bet it skews a whole generation older than #bitcoin =P
MJR_: in the NYC start up scene im old
MJR_: bunch of 24 year olds running around
MJR_: changing the world with rounded corners and drop shadows ;)
splnkr: they need some grown ups around, whether they know it or not
MJR_: as far as hiring, not yet, hopefully soon?
splnkr: those born after Reagan probably know a thing or two about Ronald, but those of us who lived through it remember NANCY
MJR_: yes you know you are l33t when you get gradients going...
MJR_: but I can and do design pages
MJR_: I just like to make fun of most web based things which focus on form over function
MJR_: I actually like those things
jurov: i rather remember Raisa Maximovna :DD
MJR_: but those+jQuery do not make you an awesome app
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.859 = 7.731 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.859 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.75000, Best ask: 68.90581, Bid-ask spread: 0.15581, Last trade: 68.75000, 24 hour volume: 107979.47490578, 24 hour low: 59.00000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 64.67794
gribble: 1 BTC = 68.75000 U.S. dollars = 53.3359193 Euros
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108999 = 0.218 BTC [+]
MJR_: I just think that a lot of people are too focused on appearances, and it's kind of shallow in the web startup scene
MJR_: I think bitcoin is more focused on substance rather than "social" features
MJR_: anyway, I am a generalist, jack of all trades
ThickAsThieves: think design & mktg are important, but not an excuse to have lacluster sunstance or functionality
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.859 BTC [-]
jurov: well, what did you expect? 20somethings to tackle deeper issues?
jurov: i was in one coworking house here, too... they do marketing and take it very seriously
jurov: datamining about what makes something viral.. their holy grail
Troic_: they are never going to get it
jurov: what i'm doing went completely beyond them... and when i told "and i also manage difficulty derivatives on other exchange" outright laughter
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]
MJR_: like...being able to say words like "viral" and "long tail" is not enough
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.845202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.845201 = 1.6904 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: new fringe marketing is always passe after a year or two
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.8451 = 9.2961 BTC [-]
MJR_: jurov: yes, exactly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.845 BTC [-]
MJR_: I guess it is just don't let pretty effects be a crutch or mask poor functionality
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84455 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.843 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.842 BTC [-]
MJR_: by the way? how does the smoky dragon award work?
jurov: i actually wanted to get in touch with the founder, he created finviz.com so i thought he may be interested
MJR_: is it a nomination thing?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8321 BTC [-]
jurov: but he got a daughter so was never around
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.832 BTC [-]
jurov: or he was tired from the kindergarten :)
MJR_: to which august body should I submit my claim for the Slightly Smoking Dragon award?
MJR_: how is the shared space jurov
MJR_: I may look into something like that
jurov: MJR_ submit it to rota :)
jurov: and the coworking.. dunno. while being able to smoke waterpipe while working is very fine
jurov: i ended up working back from home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1425 @ 0.00496604 = 7.0766 BTC [-]
jurov: i didn't really got the human interaction i hoped for
MJR_: yeah, I can see that happening
MJR_: I think there is a huge untapped market for a more ubiquitous shared work space
MJR_: that is basically what Starbucks is
MJR_: if someone could offer what Starbucks offers, but better (more professional seating, Ethernet jacks, small conference rooms) and then franchise it
jurov: well, mere "shared space" isn't what i need
MJR_: yes, it's the interactions...
jurov: i need to talk with someone who is interested in waht i do
jurov: otherwise i have everything i need within 50m of my flat :)
MJR_: I am wondering if any of the hacker spaces in NYC have bitcoin fever
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 68.60001, Best ask: 68.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28999, Last trade: 68.60001, 24 hour volume: 85316.30339518, 24 hour low: 61.60000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 65.50233
gribble: Error: "bc,24hprc/" is not a valid command.
smickles: ;;calc [bc,24hprc] / [ticker --last]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.31945, Best ask: 69.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.57055, Last trade: 70.00000, 24 hour volume: 92664.38564521, 24 hour low: 61.60000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 65.81245
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00072659 = 7.3386 BTC [+]
smickles: pizzaman1337: are you not familiar with the way religion works?
smickles: they come from different sources
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 70.00000, Best ask: 70.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 70.01000, 24 hour volume: 92664.38564521, 24 hour low: 61.60000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 65.81245
smickles: i think the high comes from mtgox's
http ticker, and the last is a stored value from the websocket
pizzaman1337: looks like that wall at 69 is gone though, obviously
smickles: 'cause amphipod showed the 70 at about the same time you tickered
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 70.55000, Best ask: 71.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 70.55000, 24 hour volume: 92664.38564521, 24 hour low: 61.60000, 24 hour high: 68.90583, 24 hour vwap: 65.81245
smickles: we've been outside of a 20day std. dev. for 3 days now
MJR_: it keeps surprising me with how fast it moves
smickles: i bet a lotta people look at this chart and see nothing but pump and dump
MJR_: that's why I wish it would slow back down
MJR_: 100 by 2014...but the market knows best I guess
splnkr: i don't see how there's any ceiling
MJR_: to be honest...I don't have a lot of coin
MJR_: it's all tied up in bonds and stocks and options
MJR_: and I don't want to unwind those positions...but and hold strategy
smickles: well, if peeps in the eu really are getting spooked and buying coins, when will the spooing end
splnkr: the ceiling is total monetary value in the global economy divided by 21 million
splnkr: that's a lot more than 100
smickles: butt and hold is my strategy too :D
smickles: splnkr: that's a pipedream tho
MJR_: technically...the ceiling is all the goods and services on earth
MJR_: however you choose to denominate that
smickles: MJR_: you're not accounting for the fact that people can lend money
MJR_: well...that is not real...I was just talking to someone about this yesterday
MJR_: what I love about options on mpex
MJR_: what is my potential loss when selling a call?
MJR_: most people would say infinite
MJR_: but that is only one way to look at it
MJR_: the other way is one bitcoin
MJR_: I can only lose one bitcoin because its a contract to buy one bitcoin
MJR_: so...viewing "money" as assets
smickles: but money is more complicated than just assets
MJR_: cuts through the fog of derivatives and lending
splnkr: for the sake of argument and simple math let's value the global economy at $21 trillion
MJR_: if I say a barrel of oil
splnkr: that would put the theoretical ceiling at $1,000,000 USD / BTC
MJR_: what is the global economy so were clear
splnkr: it's outside the scope of this discussion i think
smickles: if i lend 1 btc to a person with good enough credit in the community, i can treat the owenership of that loan as money (about equal to 1 btc)
MJR_: fractional reserve style...
splnkr: i mean that's if every fiat currency goes poof and everyone adopts BTC
MJR_: but if you view the global economy as all the stuff and hours in the world
smickles: i'm not lending out others deposits
splnkr: who's doing fractional reserve bitcoin lending?
splnkr: now would be a good time to get started
MJR_: doubt people would take too kindly to that
MJR_: the way to do that is with certificates of deposit
smickles: you can do lending and create more money w/o doing fractional reserve. so there is more money than goods and services
MJR_: in a sense I suppose
MJR_: but lets say I lend u 100 BTC
MJR_: but now I want to buy something
MJR_: well double entry accounting says I have a receivable
MJR_: you have a liability
splnkr: all that's much more complicated, i just think anyone saying there's a hard ceiling for USD/B TC in the double or even triple digits is BSing
MJR_: there isn't, my point is it's high time to remember what money is
MJR_: money is what you can buy with it
MJR_: the value of currency can fluctuate
mpexbot: smickles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['1000 @ 0.29444229']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.4490245', '9 @ 5.0']
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 70.50003, Best ask: 70.55000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 70.91209, 24 hour volume: 93150.81477258, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 71.25000, 24 hour vwap: 66.30872
MJR_: ;;calc (66.30-41)/66.30
MJR_: it can never be worth more than 1 right?
smickles: MJR_: mpex uses bc,24hprc, if that's what you were calcin'
MJR_: gribble can give that? or do I have to use mpexbot?
MJR_: ;;calc (66.21-41)/66.21
smickles: MJR_: a c490n would break even at a price of 4900usd/btc if sold at ~ 1
MJR_: these 41 calls have been good to me
smickles: the c490n is a 'fat finger' play
gribble: Current Blocks: 227191 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 17 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6427426.4485 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.58858
MJR_: though im kicking myself for selling half of mine at 2x my price
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6427426.4485 based on data since last change | 7111506.45763 based on data for last three days
smickles: and then it just kept going up
smickles: so hopefully span and cyprus get a full scale bitcoin economy going. that would be lovely
MJR_: I figured that now im playing with the houses money
MJR_: as this half is profit
MJR_: someone at work wanted to short
smickles: heh, that's a good idea which the casino's made up to get your money back in their hands
MJR_: but it is hard to calculate on that scale
MJR_: valuation is one of the hardest things and one of the most important things
MJR_: it's subjective at the end of the day
mpexbot: smickles: Bids: ['1000 @ 0.53338816', '2 @ 0.42751695']
mpexbot: smickles: Asks: ['1 @ 0.63235001', '1000 @ 0.64887279']
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 210 @ 0.00072 = 0.1512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.16 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85896 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85897 BTC [+]
smickles: MJR_: "Cognitive Mining is a well established and trusted entity which was previously traded on GLBSE, but only because of the closure is moving here. Cognitive will significantly increase BTC-TC revenue via trade fees, and increase site exposure and trust because a trusted entity is trusting you!"
smickles: isn't it funny that they tell you they are trusted?
MJR_: that is ugly from purely a grammar and style sense
MJR_: but they should just skip ahead to the tautology club
kakobrekla: in years he will look back at this and be embarassed
smickles: best argument for why bitcoin is a game
smickles: the kids involved now will be too embarassed in a few years
smickles: "naw, that wasn't real money, that was a game. Like warhammere 40k"
kakobrekla: some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night
MJR_: you know what's awesome?
MJR_: when your hedge to the main position does great too
MJR_: though its an imperfect hedge
MJR_: I hedge my portfolio partially with lending dollars on bitfinex
smickles: ok, well, the next line in the sand is 84
kakobrekla: yeah speaking of, 100$ will make me look ridiculus
pgp2: time between blocks now at 6.46 min.... damn - mining is about to become really hard...
gribble: Current Blocks: 227193 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 614 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 4 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6427539.17082 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.5909
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4102 = 4.102 BTC
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.00055, Best ask: 72.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00945, Last trade: 72.01000, 24 hour volume: 93554.33064456, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 72.35000, 24 hour vwap: 66.47931
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85897 = 1.7179 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4600001 = 0.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4102 = 1.2306 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00425 = 0.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0042 = 0.42 BTC [-]
splnkr: latest mtgox high 74.9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00496604 = 0.3725 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.43201, Best ask: 74.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.26799, Last trade: 74.43201, 24 hour volume: 94640.92768269, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 66.64683
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.108999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.14003 BTC [+]
MJR_: ;;calc 5500 * 0.00496604
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 4 @ 0.06357617 = 0.2543 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.14002 BTC [-]
MJR_: ;;calc 27.31322 * 74.90
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.12205 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.0042 = 0.0462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00450321 = 0.6755 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.01505, Best ask: 74.29875, Bid-ask spread: 0.28370, Last trade: 74.01505, 24 hour volume: 95240.44718836, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 66.69937
gribble: There are currently 7596.5366 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 589106.947162 USD in total. | Data vintage: 119.0183 seconds
gribble: There are currently 10524.979 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 822437.142286 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.3512 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.003 = 0.06 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 11537.613 bitcoins offered at or under 89.99 USD, worth 910459.618314 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.3556 seconds
gribble: There are currently 19291.337 bitcoins offered at or under 99.99 USD, worth 1669256.72911 USD in total. | Data vintage: 30.9742 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 3 @ 0.06156249 = 0.1847 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 75 @ 0.003 = 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00450321 = 0.5629 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.0099 = 0.0198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 99 @ 0.003 = 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 500 @ 0.003 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 500 @ 0.003 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.44002 = 2.6401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 900 @ 0.003 = 2.7 BTC [-]
mod6: yeah, its been awol for a hot minute
MJR_: I wish they showed how many orders they do per day
topace: vtx price was waaaaaaaaay off
MJR_: would be a better measure of liquidity
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 2 @ 0.06211269 = 0.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06263959 BTC [+]
topace: yea the rate calculuation fucked up
topace: brefore brign it back up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00072255 = 5.5636 BTC [-]
unbalanced: Won't a big sdice win like that just encourage more desperate rubes to flush their bitcoins away?
MJR_: that guy looked like an idiot on Bloomberg video
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.80000, Best ask: 72.80001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 72.80000, 24 hour volume: 96873.60013063, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 67.02669
MJR_: strangely, I think we are going to see a bunch of new money coming in
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.80003, Best ask: 73.60691, Bid-ask spread: 0.80688, Last trade: 73.60691, 24 hour volume: 97393.33155240, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 67.08461
MJR_: can't turn your head without it jumping
kakobrekla: and it was looking optimistic or somthing
kakobrekla: we are way past the scale of the chart.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 130 @ 0.3899 = 50.687 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.3899 = 7.798 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.3899 = 3.1192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00072255 = 1.0477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1167 @ 0.00072659 = 0.8479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00073058 = 4.6633 BTC [+]
MJR_: ;;calc 2500 * 0.00073058
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 174 @ 0.3899 = 67.8426 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 725 @ 0.00450321 = 3.2648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 675 @ 0.0045032 = 3.0397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8600 @ 0.0043113 = 37.0772 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.3899 = 4.6788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3899 = 3.899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: raising 5k btc for 10% so a 50k btc float predicated on 37k monthly trade of which they charge what, 1% ? 0.5% ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3899 = 1.9495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.38990000 / 0.4020257 / 0.45780000 (498 shares, 200.20880000 BTC), 7D: 0.38990000 / 0.40701368 / 0.46140000 (570 shares, 231.99780000 BTC), 30D: 0.38990000 / 0.40701368 / 0.46140000 (570 shares, 231.99780000 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C750T] 1 @ 0.06458438 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3899 = 1.1697 BTC [+]
unbalanced: kakobrekla: nice charts, what assumptions did you use? I'm still foggy on difficulty driving price.
mpexbot: smickles: 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 55.42906834 high: 57.60574549 low: 51.19305144 volume: 14257 btc: 1202.67534357 30 day: no data
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3899 = 3.899 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.3899 = 7.798 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if they use the ipo funding to actually get registered with the whatever proper authorities / get a banking partner this may work out well for everyone.
kakobrekla: unbalanced that is one of the first results, after 30days runtime, the fit was better, input data is price per difficulty
mircea_popescu: unbalanced o, they said so ? that;'s constructive then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2943 @ 0.0043113 = 12.6882 BTC [-]
unbalanced: They're pretty far along that as far as payment processing / licensing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 12023 @ 0.004101 = 49.3063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8400 @ 0.004 = 33.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3899 = 3.899 BTC [+]
unbalanced: Disclosure: I want to own some but will have to wait.
mircea_popescu: growing rapidly. VirtEx is experiencing explosive growth shown by: Revenue increasing 146% in the last 2 months (Jan/Feb 2013)
mircea_popescu: conveniently not pointing out this is fiat growth and thus irrelevant, right ?
mircea_popescu: ColdHardMetal Greater than 2500 0.50%. I dunno how defensible that 3% is given that 100 per monht...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.3898 = 9.745 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "with opportunity to continue growing rapidly as more Canadians learns about the Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: ColdHardMetal if you only need ~100 i'd imagine you're connected enough to handle it otc ?
unbalanced: 100BTC per 120d is the threshold to escape 3%
mircea_popescu: so basically they have this construct where the havelock fund owns shares and then the participants on havelock own shares in the fund thus eschewing shareholder reporting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.441 = 3.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.004 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.004 = 6.4 BTC [-]
topace: mircea_popescu: theres an option to be listed on the official paperwork even if you own the shares through havelock
mircea_popescu: topace o there you are. hey, did you announce here and i missed it ?
topace: no i ddint really announce it :p
unbalanced: They are trying to do this in a way that won't get them shut down. I hope they do well and grow the market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4034 @ 0.004 = 16.136 BTC [-]
topace: i figured the announcements should be up to virtex themselves :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3898 = 3.898 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: topace well why not ? hehe nah. you're their ipo manager, you announce.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 510 @ 0.3898 = 198.798 BTC [-]
unbalanced: kakobrekla, is that a private algo or something others could play with?
mircea_popescu: unbalanced yeah, well... interesting device. we still don't have enough on how exactly it'd play out to know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3898 = 1.1694 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: unbalanced i think so. sometimes people go "no clue" tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.44001 = 2.2001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 250 @ 0.09 = 22.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 40 @ 0.3898 = 15.592 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: topace so what's this song and dance with shares could be more expensive than ipo warning thing ?
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
unbalanced: I think on past IPOs people bought at the bid/ask and didn't see that there were IPO shares left.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 250 @ 0.09 = 22.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: unbalanced where are these shares left ? not in the book ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 75 @ 0.3898 = 29.235 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2a1e8519990917366b20fe81156f46768171939a91c1731376640a70
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans;#bitcoin-dev
unbalanced: He's just giving dimwits like me a fighting chance.
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2a1e8519990917366b20fe81156f46768171939a91c1731376640a70
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.4400001 = 0.88 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: unbalanced but the evolution did continiue
mircea_popescu: unbalanced i don't get it tho. if there's ipo shares left they're in the book at ipo price. you can't buy past them.
mircea_popescu: if they're not in the book then there's not any elft and so... market price
ThickAsThieves: the ipo shares are not on the main havelock page for the asset
unbalanced: kakobrekla, is the scale on the chart in thousands on the left?
kakobrekla: the first top is first bubble we had taht went to 30
ThickAsThieves: whats funnier is that the flippers should be posting trickier asks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3851 = 1.1553 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.21001, Best ask: 73.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18999, Last trade: 73.40000, 24 hour volume: 97553.15321209, 24 hour low: 62.50130, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 67.23243
topace: why is it not just on the open market?
topace: becuase the system can do things like limit the number of shares per user
topace: and also, the ipo price changes
topace: to match $CAD valuation
topace: mircea_popescu: VTX doesnt limit it
topace: but its possible for hte systme to
mircea_popescu: topace i would say this is kludge. keep a single book rather than fragment it.
topace: when i luanched the sdice passthru i limited it in the public offerings
topace: i cant argue this now, im late
topace: im suppose dto leave half an hour ago
MJR_: Wall Street 2: Money never sleeps
smickles: is it just me, or satoshidice.com borked
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3851 = 38.51 BTC [-]
MJR_: s.dice has great prospects I think
smickles: it only partially loads for me, heavy traffic maybe?
MJR_: cuz of great market share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3851 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3851 = 3.851 BTC [-]
mod6: MJR_: blue horseshoe loves Anacott Steel
MJR_: I was trading quotes with coworkers yesterday
MJR_: The Notorious BIG said it best: "Either you're slingin' crack-rock, or you've got a wicked jump-shot." Nobody wants to work for it anymore. There's no honor in taking that after school job at Mickey Dee's, honor's in the dollar, kid. So I went the white boy way of slinging crack-rock: I became a stock broker.
MJR_: boiler room is a classic
mod6: oh yeah. thats a good one too.
MJR_: They say money can't buy happiness? Look at the fucking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby.
MJR_: Ben affleks finest work was that scene I think
MJR_: he pulls off douche so easily
mod6: what about gilly or whatever the fuck
mod6: he probably wants to delete that one
MJR_: lol there were a bunch of bad ones...
MJR_: that scene was basically a rip off of Alex Baldwin in glengarry glen Ross
mod6: yeah, i've had 5 cups of coffee, btc is > $70 and im /still/ workin like a slave
MJR_: lol, I've never worked harder than when I got involved in bitcoin
smickles: mod6: turns out the right move woul've been to maxout my credit cards with cash advances and buy btc a few months ago
mod6: smickles: its hard not to see how that would have paid off.
MJR_: you could also have bankrupted
mircea_popescu: Total 299084. this month mpoe bot is going over 300k contracts traded
deadweasel: unless you got your capital out already
MJR_: mircea_popescu: nice!
MJR_: im married to my sdice position
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 115 @ 0.3898 = 44.827 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's never been a projection on s.mpoe divs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.0099 = 0.495 BTC [+]
smickles: ya know, it's possible to calc it if you track what the bot is buying/selling for and the trade data
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.43000001 = 0.86 BTC [-]
smickles: well, damn, ofc i lost MY less than 1 bet
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.416 = 2.08 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: whats the forwrad looking statement for bbet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.3898 = 5.4572 BTC [+]
smickles: ya know, i'd be selling satoshi dice dice at satoshidicedice.com right now if evoorhees had given me anything more than an informal statement that he wouldn't sue me for using the brand
mircea_popescu: > 20 in fees and > 10 btc in confiscations from wannabe scalpers that failed at it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 38 @ 0.3898 = 14.8124 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3898 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3898 BTC [+]
deadweasel: I placed some bets, but I forgot on what. I guess I could scrape your site for the few of my btc addy.
MJR_: what do you mean selling sdice on satoshidice.com?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 256 @ 0.3898 = 99.7888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 76 @ 0.3898 = 29.6248 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm weary about entering into a business with a guy who won't put anything in writing ever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3898 = 38.98 BTC [+]
smickles: MJR_: no, i mean just in the dice situation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3898 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
smickles: i was going to have dice manufacured and sell them and he said it was ok, and that if they looked good he'd advertise them. but would not have any form of that deal in writing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3898 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
smickles: so i don't want to do something that puts me in such a vulnerable position
MJR_: I was wondering what the process is for ssd certification?
mircea_popescu: smickles i don't follow. you outlay what, 50 btc for printing dice on his promise that he'll adverise them if he likes them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 23 @ 0.3898 = 8.9654 BTC [+]
MJR_: slightly smoking dragon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.416 = 2.08 BTC [-]
MJR_: I think it has become the de facto standard of excellence
MJR_: so what body grants this status?
MJR_: is it nomination? application?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.07 = 2.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.01 = 4.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 14 @ 1.001 = 14.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3898 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, he implied that he either wasn't the sole owner of sdice (outside of S.DICE) or that he would soon become only a part owner and that his word would not transfer to these other owners
MJR_: seriously, though...I trust a ssd more than Moody's
smickles: at the least, i saw it as a bad risk to lay down money on production and then get a c&d
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3898 = 1.949 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.50001, Best ask: 72.71000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20999, Last trade: 72.19800, 24 hour volume: 97249.46875243, 24 hour low: 63.00000, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 67.41164
mircea_popescu: smickles unless you lay down A LOT of money it seems maybe exaggerated.
MJR_: I don't think that they would care much
mircea_popescu: MJR_ even if they did care, they'd split revenue somehow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 54 @ 0.3898 = 21.0492 BTC [+]
MJR_: I doubt it would really matter compared to their revenue
smickles: ah well, one of you do it then. i'm on to other things
MJR_: worst case revenue split
mircea_popescu: maybe the guy with the bitcoin buttons'd be interested
MJR_: I understand the reticence smickles
MJR_: it right now is possible to lean on the community aspects of the bitcoin world
Namworld: Just put a withdrawal request in
MJR_: and maybe we shouldn't so much
MJR_: Namworld: love the bonds
smickles: i mean, all i was asking for was a 'paper copy' of what he was saying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.3898 = 1.5592 BTC [+]
Namworld: aye, too bad I can't sell more.
MJR_: I wish they had an automatic rebuy option
MJR_: to reinvest income back in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.3898 = 7.0164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.3898 = 3.1184 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: this also happened that day that he had trouble authing with gribble, so, given that he wasn't willing to sign anything, i had a small bit of doubt that i was even talking with the real evoorhees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.3898 = 3.1184 BTC [+]
mod6: oh i remember that day.
mod6: we had faux ev on here
MJR_: smickles: well nothing ventured, nothing lost
smickles: heh, i ended up using the money to make an extra payment on my wife's car
mod6: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take -- Wayne Gretzky
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3898 = 3.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3898 = 1.949 BTC [+]
smickles: as if i know how good a pw he has
MJR_: those guys are so busy it doesn't seem like sdice is the main thing on their mind
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.85896 = 17.1792 BTC [-]
MJR_: see how many interviews he's doing...almost never really talks about sdice
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.108999 = 0.654 BTC [+]
smickles: you sunk my battleship in 1 dimention?
MJR_: one dimensional battleship...
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: sdice is his dirty little secret that pays for his bitcoin jesus work
MJR_: I don't see it as dirty
MJR_: think bitcoin gambling is more honest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.4111 = 2.8777 BTC [-]
MJR_: I find it hilarious that I can say on average you will always lose and people say ok
ThickAsThieves: you cant be a gangster and a preacher at the same time
MJR_: ThickAsThieves: I think you can
MJR_: yes! go forth, be fruitful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3898 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
MJR_: as soon as my business gets our slightly smoking dragon certification
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.3897 = 3.1176 BTC [-]
MJR_: I joke about that, but seriously...mpex has street cred and trust
MJR_: you could rate things (you are implicitly doing that by allowing people to list here)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0007304 = 4.0537 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and i do rate things, if you follow me here or the girl on the forum you get an idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.4001 = 1.2003 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "bc,prc" is not a valid command.
Josh_Rossi: but i don't think anyone can say anything bad about it
deadweasel: don't mean shit, the whole game could end tomorrow.
deadweasel: it's power struggle that has yet to be settled and MPEX could be a casualty.
Josh_Rossi: i wouldn't phrase quite so dramatically
jcpham: mircea_popescu mpex has "street cred"
jcpham: i just read it on the internet
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.349 BTC [+]
deadweasel: Josh_Rossi: I am a drama queen, it's something I've been working on for a few years. I was raised by women.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3897 = 1.9485 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 150 @ 0.3897 = 58.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 98 @ 0.3897 = 38.1906 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: i am working on an executive summary and i am going to phrase that scenario as "regulatory force majeur"
Josh_Rossi: because i don't think necessarily that it matters what risks you are taking as long as you are aware you are taking them and honest about them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2110 @ 0.0007304 = 1.5411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00072802 = 2.2569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1590 @ 0.00071536 = 1.1374 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: they say you are twice as likely to be hit by a car in a crosswalk vs jaywalking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 80 @ 0.3927 = 31.416 BTC [+]
pigeons: looks like VTX/cavirtex is selling well
deadweasel: you think we'll hit $100/BTC this month?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.3927 = 19.635 BTC [+]
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.4001 = 2.4006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.3927 = 2.3562 BTC [+]
jurov: so where are my C1000N, C2000N and C5000Ns?
Josh_Rossi: i was thinking about the interesting possibilities for insurance and such
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.84382, Best ask: 72.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.35617, Last trade: 72.19999, 24 hour volume: 102630.95374871, 24 hour low: 63.00000, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 67.73641
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3987 = 0.7974 BTC [+]
Josh_Rossi: but they are delivarables if i remember correctly?
Josh_Rossi: oh lol thought that was something different
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.3987 = 9.9675 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;ident Josh_Rossi
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!Josh_Rossi@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00985 = 0.0985 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009843 = 0.0197 BTC [-]
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.009843 = 0.0984 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 30 @ 0.009842 = 0.2953 BTC [-]
mjr_: i wish i could link both to the same one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00073058 = 3.1904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00073461 = 5.2157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7361 @ 0.00073552 = 5.4142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8672 @ 0.00073756 = 6.3961 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.108999 BTC [+]
mjr_: I figured that I would use my real name if i have to sign things and build up WoT
mjr_: but for average chats i prefer this handle
mircea_popescu: splitting your name, nobody will know who the fuck josh is
jurov: you can use group with nickserv, i think gribble will pick it up?
billg: now i'm all bsnsss
mjr_: but we aren't the only two josh's in the world
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3987 BTC [+]
jcpham: ok you can be josh too i guess
mod6: yeah, i'd say stick with mjr_ or whatever. cause i thought Josh_Rossi was a newb
jcpham: let's make him change his name
mjr_: but if i were to sign a statement
billg: be cool. call ur joshua
mjr_: and i needed it tied to my government identity
jcpham: oh joshua gets me moist
mjr_: lol also it is pretty easy for me to prove that i'm me
gribble: You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.3987 = 2.7909 BTC [+]
mjr_: its weird though, i was inspired to use my real name by mircea_popescu
deadweasel: ah, time to clock out. later all, do great things while I'm gone.
mjr_: but it feels to weird always showing that
mjr_: also i got pissed off cuz some other guy who got here later than me registered mjr
smickles: think is, i had the nick before the slang existed
jcpham: i hope it is a family name
jcpham: send the family member that link to ud
mjr_: billg: did you mean "no smickles"
smickles: hah, guess what the second link is on a google for smickles
billg: see the full page. there's 2. and 3. meaning, even more hilarious
Namworld: idk why S.DICE is so low. Seems like it's doing pretty well. Month is just a bit lower...
jcpham: i like the third link you SEO genius
Namworld: I've been buying some at 0.004
mjr_: Namworld: I am thinking of doubling down on it
mjr_: it just depends...i really love a revenue stream in bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.001 = 3.003 BTC [-]
mjr_: hence MPOE and SDICE
mjr_: yeah, but i like to be diversified
jborkl: you could make a smickle me elmo that pissed himself
mjr_: also i lend money out on bitfinex so i always have dollars too
mjr_: so it is a partially hedged position
jurov: oh and some lucky guy made 0.69 btc today in coinbr affiliate credit.. wasn't that you?
mjr_: but options have treated me the best so far
mjr_: it was a great birthday present
mjr_: i need to start opening more accounts for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3904 = 1.952 BTC [-]
mjr_: is there a good link to see an estimate for divs for sdice?
dub: I thought my .67 was pretty good
tiberiusiv: if you noticed transactions per day went from 70k to 45k
tiberiusiv: and that was from satoshi dice going down
mjr_: yeah profits are still good
mjr_: i have to stick to my guns, i think the markets are wrong on this one
mjr_: though its possible that they just found better investments, higher yield etc...its a pretty thin market really
gribble: 1 BTC = 73.25000 U.S. dollars = 56.8269977 Euros
mjr_: the only problem is that each share will cost me more in dollars if i choose to put more in now
mjr_: i wish i was more fully in the btc economy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3904 BTC [-]
jurov: lol so bratislava region has 7th highest Regional GDP per capita in the EU27? dunno why
jurov: more than prague/vienna/stockholm?
mjr_: where is bratislava?
jurov: you don;t want to know
jurov: hostel filmed there
awkorama: hostel was actually filmed in czech republic
mjr_: don't know enough about sloavakia
mjr_: ;;calc 69188.35120444 * 70
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3904 = 39.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 103 @ 0.3862 = 39.7786 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 33 @ 0.3862 = 12.7446 BTC [-]
smickles: anyone want to trade some mpexbtc for some mtgoxbtc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3862 = 3.862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.3862 = 19.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.3862 = 2.3172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750N] 16 @ 0.24771283 = 3.9634 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 51 @ 0.3862 = 19.6962 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3862 = 1.1586 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.3862 = 11.586 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: jurov: id trust those GDP per capita numbers with a grain of salt
jurov: yea. dunno why they publish them then (and moreover, 2 years late)
tiberiusiv: mississipi has a gdp per capita of germany or some shit
tiberiusiv: but if you visit the 2 its like night and day lol
jurov: same with bratislava and vienna
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 307 @ 0.3862 = 118.5634 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3862 = 0.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 487 @ 0.3862 = 188.0794 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 116 @ 0.3862 = 44.7992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 31 @ 0.3862 = 11.9722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00499997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.8589 = 10.3068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 856 @ 0.00071536 = 0.6123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8589 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.004 = 0.008 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;rate jborkl_ 1 sent first :)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jborkl_ has been recorded.
jborkl: smickles in the mpexgui, a MTGOX last really small at the top would be cool
smickles: jborkl: I'll add that to the list, probably next thing i do since it'd be very easy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3862 BTC [-]
Namworld: I hope we get a windows exe soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 36 @ 0.3862 = 13.9032 BTC [-]
smickles: Namworld: It's part of the plan, should come after I code in the full mpex command list
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3862 = 0.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.3862 = 3.4758 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3862 = 3.862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 51 @ 0.3862 = 19.6962 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: especially with people now accepting BTC for a house
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.44999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.3862 = 2.7034 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 152 @ 0.3862 = 58.7024 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3862 = 0.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00070629 = 5.2265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.0007046 = 2.149 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3862 = 1.931 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3862 = 1.931 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.3862 = 38.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.3862 = 9.655 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.3862 = 6.9516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3857 = 1.1571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00071498 = 3.1459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00320004 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 618 @ 0.00320003 = 1.9776 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.3857 = 5.0141 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3857 = 0.7714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.3857 = 11.571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3857 = 0.7714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3857 = 1.1571 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 227224 | Current Difficulty: 4847647.152065606 | Next Difficulty At Block: 227807 | Next Difficulty In: 583 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 53 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6402126.77703 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.06668
dub: may need to keep records of shareholders in an illegal currency mining operation, for legal reasons
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.833001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.833 = 9.163 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.8325 = 1.665 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.83211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.8321 = 4.9926 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.832 = 14.976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.3857 = 4.2427 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3857 = 3.857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.3857 = 5.0141 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 125 @ 0.3857 = 48.2125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3857 = 1.9285 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3857 = 1.9285 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.3857 = 9.6425 BTC [-]
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6398438.35799 based on data since last change | 7251846.01035 based on data for last three days
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0045 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 26 @ 0.386 = 10.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.386 = 19.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.56962, Best ask: 72.97003, Bid-ask spread: 0.40041, Last trade: 72.56962, 24 hour volume: 96840.08022444, 24 hour low: 63.00000, 24 hour high: 74.90000, 24 hour vwap: 68.35320
kakobrekla: are you going to be repeating that all the way to 100k per?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.386 BTC [+]
dub: low thresholds for CRASH! RALLY! TANKING! plox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.44899 BTC [-]