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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: rota?
mod6: re rota: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-01-21#-156893 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: !!rate jcpham -1 fucktard that showed up early and proved to be useless ; got butthurt over his attempt at paintsuit injection being rebuffed back when i was trying to ROTA, has been hoovering ever since trying to affect the specific sort of libertard aloofness that makes it all okay in their religion.
mircea_popescu: the whole rota debacle -- exactly the same thing, as well. "oh, but that was something else". no, not really.
mircea_popescu: it was a painful and sad process, being disabused of the notion that average human is capable to tribune (ie, maintain law, complicated discussion i won't go into) via the rota experiment AND the notion that average human is capable to praetor (ie, administer resoruces) via the whole bitcoin finance/investment/profits/etc thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 10:45 Framedragger just discovered http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ - pretty neat. i take it this expensive experiment had been thus discontinued :)
Framedragger just discovered http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ - pretty neat. i take it this expensive experiment had been thus discontinued :)
jurov: the rota thing
nubbins`: rota mega-loophole comes to mind
PeterL: before closing down rota?
PeterL: didn't MP follow decision of Rota?
jurov: phf there is no judge mircea_popescu wuld accept such "verdicts" from. remember when rota decided in similar way?
PeterL: mircea_popescu if you were to start rota now, what would you do differently?
nubbins`: the rota was a brutal flop too
asciilifeform: rota?
PeterL: so the only recourse shareholders have is to sell if they disagree with his decisions, maybe they could have brought suit for negligence before the rota when that was a thing?
ben_vulpes: bring back the rota
rithm: afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup
assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8kKr )
rithm: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ i find personally offensive still
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqeYD5 )
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.
assbot: Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?
assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
princessnell: Pierre_Rochard rota case study (i <3 law and econ) http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ and http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ and http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect that's perhaps stretching a point. rota judges did make a salary, and had a deeply vested interest in making th emodel work.
mike_c: rota did not need to decide things for the good of rota. bitbet has a vested interest in making good decisions.
mircea_popescu: davout anon mods deliberating in secret. exact opposite of the "citizenship judge" rota model
davout: so, how does it manage to avoid the shortcomings of the rota?
davout: i think that in essence, bitbet and the rota have a lot in common
davout: i think my broader point is that since you don't know what you don't know, it makes sense to define a way to clarify propositions along the way, lest you end up with some rota v2
davout: the more i think about it, the more similarities i see between bitbet and the rota
mike_c: dignork: but then you trusting the crowd of oracles to make the right decision. see rota for examples of that not working so well.
mike_c: mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)
fluffypony: didn't the rota only have 1 case?
mircea_popescu: Naphex http://trilema.com/category/rota/
nubbins`: MisterE: http://trilema.com/category/rota/
nubbins`: rota was a fine idea but just incorrectly structured from the start. it'd probably still be going if it was set up the way i've outlined ;D
nubbins`: if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc.
nubbins`: you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc.
nubbins`: suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline.
nubbins`: well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem
dexX7: rota 2?
nubbins`: seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing
gribble: Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rota>; Rota Background - CanonLaw.info: <http://www.canonlaw.info/personal_rotademo.htm>; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské: <http://www.apha.cz/en/addresses-of-courts-text>
mircea_popescu: bounce we had something like that, as peterl points out. it failed miserably. http://trilema.com/rota-post-mortem
BingoBoingo: I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses
nubbins`_: fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn
peterl: didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 perhaps. though the rota project as originally designed proved unworkable. it'd have to be worked on.
nubbins`: ah, the rota
dexX7: mpex as sro.. would this also imply things like the rota project? http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/
mircea_popescu: they need the fucking rota.
benkay: pankkake: we'd need a rota for that
mircea_popescu: this was the nail that sunk the rota, practically.
jcpham: mircea_popescu did you get any new rota signs ups or did you successfully frighten everyone away
mircea_popescu: she could have her very own rota
dexX7: i'd love to see ROTA 2
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally not so different from the core principles of the rota system,
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: some sort of sub-100 btc baby rota where judges don't get paid, or only get paid a pittance, for example
jcpham: II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://trilema.com/category/rota/ < read those 4 articles or w/e
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sadly your shot at judging things WAS RUINED by the earlier rota judges
ozbot: The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ < tis thar.
jcpham: HEY GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SERVE AS ROTA FOR THE NEXT YEAR GO SIGN UP IN mircea_popescu's BLOG
jcpham: rota is up in 2 days
jcpham: am i going to get that 30 btc rota pay next month
gribble: MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-breach-post-mortem>; MPEx - Status Report pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-status-report>; ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/rota-post-mortem>
jurov: nubbins`: you are welcome to submit the issue to rota ;)
pigeons: i'm borrowing at 0.05/day against my upcoming possible rota payment ;0
mircea_popescu: _Neil to answer your original question : an judged escrow service. people could, in principle, use bitbet private bets to resolve disputes of the nature the rota was supposed to resolve.
jcpham: let's bet that mircea_popescu won't pay the 100 BTC or so in his failed rota experiment thing
jcpham: pigeons let's bitbet on those rota dues
mircea_popescu: this is the aborted rota part 2, basically.
jurov: luke-jr, to finish today's discussion as is right and proper, i suggest submitting the case before rota
jcpham: the one rota case we had so far was for the founder of lemon wallet and we returned his freaking money
ThickAsThieves: or I will sick the rota on you
jurov: judge jcpham thought mp was pushing the case to rota without trying enough to settle otherwise and judged thus
truff1es: hmm rota judges??
mircea_popescu: but actually, the rota case is when we met.
mircea_popescu: there's two ways to go about things. you can prosecute or negotiate. the time to negotiate was then. sadly the possibilities to prosecute kinda died with the death of the rota, leaving you hanging there too.
jcpham: the rota case guy runs a wallet
jurov: and its rota
jurov: MJR_ submit it to rota :)
pigeons: which is why mp lost in his own hand picked rota
jurov: "employed" in rota
jcpham: mircea_popescu when does rota get paid
mircea_popescu: pity we don't have the rota anymoar.
mircea_popescu: Eduard_Munteanu also, re the rules etc, http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/
jcpham: this drama seems rota-ish
jurov: no naked chicks on rota duty?
dub: this is why we can't have nice rota's
pigeons: rota
pigeons: no they are his rota