mircea_popescu: auto2nr1_ noobs keep popping up off webirc to advertise various laughable "businesses" then disappear.
auto2nr1_: any good stocks to invest in at the moment?
auto2nr1_: things are kinda slow in the other channels
auto2nr1_: so i thought i would pop in here to see if there is any action going on
jurov: yes, hot and steamy actoin
mircea_popescu: wao-ender im spoiled by getting it for free for too long.
jurov: wao we don't ned to have true leather props here.. i guess cat5 cables will do
wao-ender: at least, tonight we had latex discussion again :D
mircea_popescu: and yes, power cord is way worse than any switch known to man.
jurov: btw, did you knew even vatican does have male calendar with selected young beautiful (although properly clothed) canonics?
jurov: i have my contacts :)
jurov: oooh the bitstampusd bet got resolved? \o/
mircea_popescu: please direct all bonbons and other tokens of appreciation to me
jurov: now that's bit too much goodness for today.. goodnight
pankkake: wow I can't believe I lost that one
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.12552 = 1.1297 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: Looks like it just changed designed. Old Satoshi Dice is now moved to legacy.satoshidice.com
Namworld: I assume the new owners are fucktards. Stop blinking you damn faces
Namworld: Props to SatoshiDice for their FAQ
Namworld: America is the Land of the Free, that's why online gambling in the U.S. is strictly prohibited.
Apocalyptic: two days ago or so he claimed he would pay for the inputs hack
Apocalyptic: pankkake, "Two hacks have left Inputs unable to pay"
pankkake: yeah well, I doubt it's his writing
mircea_popescu: basically he walked the edge pestering people for about a year, ended up with a busted lip
kakobrekla: maybe the third attacker left that message there
pankkake: this is obviously a defaced page. "404 BTC Not Found"
pankkake: so it appears satoshidice is blocking some of my IPs… with another one I can access it
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu thats old, we now have insecurities.
pankkake: wow, well, GPG signed message now. "Two hacks totalling about 4100 BTC have left Inputs.io unable to pay all user balances."
Apocalyptic: pankkake, but obviously it's a defaced page, right..
pankkake: Well I didn't take a "404 Bitcoins not found" seriously. this, I do
Apocalyptic: which is kinda misplaced in this situation I agree
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8834 @ 0.00082392 = 7.2785 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: TradeFortress PGP Key
auto2nr1_: good to see you in another channel
pankkake: "Cold storage system protects coins against server compromise" oops
Apocalyptic: I find it amazing he had 4100 btc on the hot one
kakobrekla: 4100 is way more that hes ever gonna make wit that
pankkake: yeah, that's the big issue with hacks
ozbot: List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses
auto2nr1_: has blockchain.info ever been hacked?
pankkake: blockchain.info doesn't have your private key. however, they could get their javascript replaced, for those who don't have the browser extension
auto2nr1_: so they dont have a negative history right?
pankkake: you probably should back up your private key if not already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00082409 = 12.3201 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: kako, so we got a bitcoinica self-hack reloaded here
mircea_popescu: auto2nr1_ iirc they had some injectuion attempts, but nothing serious
auto2nr1_: oh i see.. thanks for the heads up man
pankkake: but what if you hack the js to check the js
pankkake: add a js to check the js that checks the js?
pankkake: yeah that's what their browser extension does
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.3308 = 1.654 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: there's also a "chrome app" version
nubbins`: that you launch via chrome app launcher
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00639899 = 0.4479 BTC [-]
nubbins`: surprised this is only being discovered now
pankkake: I think I heard of it earlier. or at least, the google crawler being used for evil
nubbins`: around 5 years ago there was a big wave of attacks targeting classic ASP sites that apparently just trawled google search results for filetype:asp
mircea_popescu: "Update please, why this message, what is the timeframe for processing withdrawals again?"
mircea_popescu: "hello sir, you have cancer, it's terminal" "pls give update when i'll be able to run again ty"
nubbins`: they're all spoiled from the constant updates that scammers provide
nubbins`: wait, that doesn't make sense!
pankkake: I don't have my shirt. it's a scam
pankkake: I demand daily updates of its worldwide position
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00082425 = 11.8692 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: is canada even a real country?
nubbins`: oh shit guys i've got a train to catch
mircea_popescu: "The attacker compromised the hosting account through compromising email accounts (some very old, and without phone numbers attached, so it was easy to reset). The attacker was able to bypass 2FA due to a flaw on the server host side."
nubbins`: without phone numbers attached
Namworld: [21:04] <pankkake> is canada even a real country?
pankkake: it sounds like a classic, which happened with ovh : reset the server in rescue mode through the hoster
mircea_popescu: that's what it is, the story of the one that got through, out of at least half a dozen
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mircea_popescu: if only he read trilema moar pen-in-hand back in september and reviewed the entire rat's nest of old emails at that point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13103 @ 0.00205125 = 26.8775 BTC [-] {19}
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mircea_popescu: KRS- also in the news, bitcoin thinks the "media" is a joke.
mircea_popescu: the only diff of course would be that what bitcoin says of the media matters. the reverse... not so much.
pankkake: it isn't the first time I see the military argument
pankkake: how can you say that without being ashamed?
dexX7: almost sounds like this guy is joking
mircea_popescu: well, let me make it public anyway : i am keeping a list of retards from the old media, I will spend my time making it impossible for them to earn a living once bitcoin takes over.
mircea_popescu: the old "you're through in this town" hollywood thing is going to be nothing compared, come 2020 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic two can play that game. "o, you posted about how bitcoin sucks in 2013 ? aww, off to siberia baby."
mircea_popescu: time to make it clear that if what you have to say about bitcoin is unbased negative idiocy of the sort, you'd better make damned sure you're retired within the next few years.
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dexX7: "people on teh internet having fun"
KRS-: Its hard when someone new to bitcoin reads an article that might not think critcally
KRS-: Their opinions can be easily swayed.
mircea_popescu: the cost of that is of course wholly borne by that person.
KRS-: But then the sheeple multiplicative factor kicks in with the aid of mass media powered by the Interwebs.
mircea_popescu: people's lives don't consist of cellphone interaction today because of media reports. people's lives consist of cellphone interaction today because that's what cellphones do. period.
KRS-: Yahoo! finance was supposed to bring news not opinionated writing to site visitors.
mircea_popescu: nobody has to agree with anything, approve anything and so on. technology is not optional.
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KRS-: of course..i just like neutral news..i think of all the sheeple out there that will read that
mircea_popescu: quoted mostly for the "“I’m an educated, very well plugged-in person" girl sez.
mircea_popescu: KRS- yeah. sucks when whatever you trust betrays that trust.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.05280499 = 1.0561 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: i fucking hate the word sheeple
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0008259 = 4.0469 BTC [+]
nubbins`: no, it makes me feel embarassed for the person using it
nubbins`: it's a cliched, trite, dull word that smacks of unsophistication
nubbins`: it's condescending in the manner of a teenaged boy who thinks he's figured everything out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: do you see a problem with not calling virgin females women ?
nubbins`: the same implication is there, but i don't have to use a miscarriage of a clumsy forced portmanteau to do it
nubbins`: i instinctively stop listening/reading when i see it
nubbins`: because it's always bracketed with idiocy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00601 = 0.6311 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but do you see a problem with not calling virgin females women.
nubbins`: what do i care what they're called?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00601 = 0.6311 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: just making the point that in the same way people might not want to call idiots "people"/
mircea_popescu: sure, one day they too may be people. that day hasn't so far come.
nubbins`: well, it doesn't necessarily need to be people
nubbins`: but sheeple shouldn't even be considered
nubbins`: that's because you're not a kid who just discovered his first conspiracy website
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00082648 = 8.5954 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: In college late in the academic year the roommates and the self were having a discussion on the ethics of torture so we all took turns getting waterboarded. Some observations 1. It terrifies the most when the cloth is soaked. 2. It isn't very pleasant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: 3. Two people from that night haven't spoken to the others in years while the other two still drink together most every weekend.
chaang-noi: for people who dont know, tradefortress was "hacked" and lost over 4000 coins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00601181 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: chaang-noi: Old news, happened hours ago. Barely a memory in bitcoin time
chaang-noi: "for people who dont know," clearly not for you...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-] {2}
chaang-noi: the goat is making sure everyone waking up is in the loop...
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.00000, Best ask: 277.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 274.20000, 24 hour volume: 45884.19332570, 24 hour low: 253.50000, 24 hour high: 277.09850, 24 hour vwap: 265.39350
chaang-noi: i guess i wont be getting them coins back after all, with that interest i was up to 143,453,835,365 coins owed :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00605 = 0.1573 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32782971 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 10 seconds
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.8626 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00172864074185 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
dexX7: did johnk come back by the way?
dexX7: ah, thanks for the link
mike_c: let me spoon feed it to you :D "John K logged on, replied, and released the escrow funds today."
mircea_popescu: yeah looks like the guy had some sort of personal problems or w/e
mike_c: 0 volume on s.mg, s.nsa, s.bbet since sunday. bubble scaring investors maybe, turning them into hoarders..
mircea_popescu: mpex investors are traditionally the buy and hold sort.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [+]
mike_c: yeah, looking at numbers it's not unusual. there have been a bunch of times this year that bbet went 3 or more days without trading.
mike_c: wow, mpoe only has two gaps all year (the outages). other than that, traded every day.
mircea_popescu: then again it's about two degrees of magnitude heavier or some shit
dub: that sugru shit looks cool
dub: quite close to shoegoo though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082678 = 8.9292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00600151 = 0.2641 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.32663833 = 6.2061 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.718 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00610127 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00599523 = 0.1259 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoin Block #268361
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012133 = 1.2133 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00109501 = 0.5475 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4350 @ 0.0001499 = 0.6521 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 303.00000, Best ask: 304.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 303.00000, 24 hour volume: 50925.63231333, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 309.68000, 24 hour vwap: 274.02814
gribble: There are currently 7533.4558 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3151930.19296 USD in total. | Data vintage: 210.0132 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.71481943 = 11.4371 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: I guess it also looks like the Inputs.io coins aren't being dumped right away like the Pirateat40 ones were.
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.076579 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00215745226202 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.90000, Best ask: 306.88000, Bid-ask spread: 5.98000, Last trade: 306.88000, 24 hour volume: 59913.45566826, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 310.00000, 24 hour vwap: 277.46977
gribble: There are currently 6648.9972 bitcoins offered at or under 500.0 USD, worth 2446291.50608 USD in total. | Data vintage: 99.0861 seconds
gribble: There are currently 10854.036 bitcoins offered at or under 9001.0 USD, worth 10405638.0799 USD in total. | Data vintage: 135.3452 seconds
gribble: There are currently 4253.2816 bitcoins offered at or under 380.0 USD, worth 1416665.99834 USD in total. | Data vintage: 158.9018 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0024489 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 180 @ 0.00109501 = 0.1971 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.00000, Best ask: 310.98740, Bid-ask spread: 0.98740, Last trade: 311.00000, 24 hour volume: 61529.88981591, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 311.74361, 24 hour vwap: 278.43237
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
bitesak: seems it going to be a volatile month_
BingoBoingo: bitesak: Might be several. mircea_popescu is going to be pissed if this shit goes to 1000 while he's sleeping...
b0n1: is there a good and trustworthy source of creating a safe cold wallet
b0n1: meaning to extract the private key in a way it cant be stolen directly
bitesak: do it a on a computer that has never been connected to the internet
b0n1: if the drive breaks its gone...
bitesak: you can write it out on paper
b0n1: yeah thats actually what i had in mind
b0n1: is there a good source to read the necessary steps about doing that?
BingoBoingo: b0n1: Get an old computer... Something with an intel 386 or motorola 68030... NEver connect it to the internet and force bitcoind to compile on it...
b0n1: BingoBoingo, but its too dangerous without a backup that the drive breaks sometimes
b0n1: i think the paperwallet is a nice idea
b0n1: but i only found sources that print you the private key online (wtf?)
jurov: so get the parallel dotmatrix printer and print them
b0n1: yeah I am asking for a good source to exactly that
bitesak: there is that site where you can download the page and run it on an offline computer but I am in no position to suggest that is a wise method
bitesak: and testing the keys with small amounts is probably a good idea first
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.00000, Best ask: 321.39999, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 321.00000, 24 hour volume: 62963.98772207, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 321.00000, 24 hour vwap: 279.54595
bitesak: BingoBoingo: the current order book is rather thin to 1'000
BingoBoingo: bitesak: Indeed. Too many mother fucking gem chasers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00109371 = 1.0937 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [-]
bitesak: that and maybe a sizeable amount of bitcoins have left the exchanges in fear of losing access to them. that's what I did a year ago at least
BingoBoingo: Well, might make sense. Seeing how web wallets are having a rough time of late.
bitesak: right, like inputs.io "Cold storage system protects coins against server compromise" and 4'100 gone through email reset is as if we were 2 years ago
jurov: well, with clowns like luke-jr focus on startup times instead of something useful for airgapped machines/cold storage
jurov: unencrypted wallets fiasco is bound to repeat itself
bitesak: jurov: are there planned updates to coinbr ? I finally got round to adding the 2fa for withdrawal, but it seems that if I had access to someone elses coinbr acct I could rather easily/quickly buy some in the money options, and sell them at a slight discount to my main coinbr acct and exercise them. Is this correct?
jurov: it can be done with one account altogether, too
ThickAsThieves: [02:20] <Diablo-D3> is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what? <<<< one or two times per week
bitesak: not if there is the 2fa enabled requiring signuature to withdraw coins
ozbot: Gox | Buy: $306.00 Sell: $307.58 Last: $306.00 High: $321.52 Low: $255.55
ozbot: Bitstamp | API Error
ozbot: Coinbase | Buy: $281.79
ozbot: Weex | Buy: $66.00 Sell: $156.00 Last: $156.00
jurov: ah, you have in mind how to *steal* from some other unprotected account?
bitesak: and how relevant the current 2fa system is
bitesak: as it seems in my humble understanding, it can rather easily and quickly be circumvented
bitesak: more speficially, how to steal from a protected (as in 2fa bitcoin signature for withdrawals) account
jurov: um, that's true. should add 2fa to orders.
bitesak: this is in all humility as I am no expert..
jurov: np, it's really appreciated.
bitesak: despite the hassle, maybe a 2fa to login from the start would still allow for convenience in placing and cancelling
jurov: no, that won't protect from session hijacking or xss(although i hope there's no xss)
bitesak: i'm all for 2fa on all orders and withdraws
gribble: There are currently 9739.3209 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3987139.62192 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00082714 = 9.7603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14566 @ 0.00082533 = 12.0218 BTC [-] {2}
taub: i'm quite unslettled by this rise
taub: especially since i failed to like
taub: hope it crashes soon again :(
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above 750 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00571173 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: b0n1 : you can have local backups in the shape of 2 or 6 or w/e drives.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, if you also put gpg on the system you can then go gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourkey and put the result in an email to yourself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i guess you were right, whoever got those options made out ok.
taub: look at those btcn numbers
taub: they understand a thing or two about marketing their exchange
taub: first you have to become relevant = liquidity
taub: once you're relevant you can jack up the fees becuse people will pay for liquidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8630 @ 0.00011988 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {19}
taub: volume wise they overtook mtgox
taub: because they have 0% fees right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00571 = 0.1199 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4250 @ 0.000159 = 0.6758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1382 @ 0.00200035 = 2.7645 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 75 @ 0.0480095 = 3.6007 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5210 @ 0.00162311 = 8.4564 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574999 = 1.725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 585 @ 0.04501336 = 26.3328 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63000666 = 1.89 BTC [-] {3}
taub: oh jackig up, yea but i mean compared to it being at zero right now
taub: they establish themselves as big players by letting trading happen for free
taub: then they can start charging (hopefully modest) rates
bitesak_: competing on price is not a good indicator.
mircea_popescu: taub a ok. yeah, it's all a quest to respect your market basically.
mircea_popescu: bitesak_ well to a degree their market is a commodified or at least commodifiable one, so price competition will be a part.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
ozbot: The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
random_cat_: have you recently renewed a claim of 'scammer' on icbit?
mircea_popescu: i've recently been arguing with idiots coming in here to derp.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea wtf tycho is doing these days, haven't used the thing in a year.
random_cat_: i participate there. a claim was made that you had never backed off from 'scammer' to 'maybe not a scammer' (or perhaps the claim was stronger... that you had reasserted the whole thing was a fraud)
mircea_popescu: it is also factual the admins never admitted wrongdoing, but changed their code at that time.
mircea_popescu: whether they have since reverted or not to the scammy model is anyone's guess.
random_cat_: i'm dubious on 'factual' but in agreement on 'suspicious'
mircea_popescu: that guess will have to be made by the anyone, rather than simply be defaulted by anon shills pushing their "4 mo experience"
firedrops: mircea_popescu, that torrent hashing protocol idea.... as far as Ideas go, it's excellent. I can't comment on practicallity. but I love the idea.
mircea_popescu: random_cat_ well this is exactly what i'm saying. i'm doing more in terms of offering data and less in terms of offering judgements. even if i do some of the former.
mircea_popescu: firedrops im really curious what the F would be. i can't think of anything, even if perhaps some sort of pailler
random_cat_: has ukto shown face about here recently (too lazy to scroll back)?
gribble: ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Ukto> nah, not right.
firedrops: just sent the article to a close friend/cmptr scientist guy.. trying to get him to start his own project... he's too smart to work for ATT.
taub: mircea_popescu: i dont get whats the point of hashing each piece of the torrent
mircea_popescu: firedrops not sure if there's money in this, but it definitely is fame.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 305.14485, Best ask: 305.67747, Bid-ask spread: 0.53262, Last trade: 305.11000, 24 hour volume: 73065.75169825, 24 hour low: 256.60000, 24 hour high: 321.51736, 24 hour vwap: 286.03216
taub: that means not much
taub: btce and bitstamp both below 280
taub: mtgox high today 320 lel
firedrops: anyone have a diagnosis for why gox is so high? I haven't touched them in months..
taub: i'd say withdrawl problems, people leaving for another exchange etc
firedrops: oh yeah, forgot about them holding ppls money.. dur.
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16465.37 bitcoins, for a total of 6675396989.6532 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 191.9064 seconds
taub: btcn stopped updating at bitcoincharts.com heh
truffles: hi taub, when do u think the crash will begin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
random_cat: damn. was hoping for some hft action :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 5025556.4619 USD and would take the last price down to 210.9971 USD, resulting in an average price of 251.2778 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
firedrops: who has the best gold for btc service?
random_cat: i'll reccommend me for the occasional trade; what is your locale, firedrops?
random_cat: (my record of gold trades for btc consists of 0 btc of 0 g of gold)
ozbot: Twitter / BitcoinOracle: parabolic rise expected | #bitcoin
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone has a reddit account be a sweetheart and put that torrent article up
mircea_popescu: you never know where the genius kid with the f function springs up
kleeck: Which article is that?
ozbot: The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno man. maybe for the people in the bitcoin top 500 it would be, but alas poor us...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if you actually saw that one coming you're a better fx trader than me
nubbins`: "Suppose your computer is infected with a worm or virus. You want to disinfect it. What do you do? You boot it up from original write-protected install media. Sure, you have a copy of the operating system on the drive already, but you can't use that copy - it's the wrong Colour."
nubbins`: yeah, it actually is. however, correct me if i'm wrong, but if you've got a virus, your OS is not only the wrong colour, but also consists of different bits
nubbins`: better OS analogy would be "geniune" windows vs. a pirated version, perhaps
nubbins`: a friend of mine recently started a CS degree, and posted about that Paranoia game last week
truffles: he's usually wrong about everything : D
truffles: obv feels knows everything though
nubbins`: "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
nubbins`: so, while i'm glad that putting a ton of btc into casascius coins prevented me from foolishly gambling them on "investments", i'm increasingly wary of their ability to hold their btc value long-term
mircea_popescu: well the truth is that other than that article he mostly writes crud
nubbins`: although the roman glyphs in Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std are particularly attractive
mircea_popescu: also in the news, saudi arabia nao has nuclear weapons
mircea_popescu: curious if the us is going to start an invasion now >D
nubbins`: you're not curious about that at all ;)
mircea_popescu: you're not going to tell me that the rogue us government has actually been lieing about its motives all along
KRS-1: Can someone recommend a good guide for me so I can trade cash for BTC with someone I don't know? I want to go through some kind of intermediary like escrow.
ozbot: saudi skaters - YouTube
nubbins`: ^ turn down volume before clicking
KRS-1: no..i'm on one side of the US, this other fellow from IRC is on the other side.
KRS-1: I was thinking of that but have no idea how to use it..i understand its 3 way gpg
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: then once they identify you can gettrust mircea_popescu
KRS-1: hmm ok im reading the guide
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
kakobrekla: that is if you find someone in the otc you can deal with in the first place
KRS-1: I have already found someone
nubbins`: lot of children trading lunch money
KRS-1: not registered in wot
KRS-1: maybe or it means he hasnt registered like i havent yet either
joecool: <nubbins`> lot of children trading lunch money < danieldaniel?
nubbins`: you really gonna trust them with $5k?
KRS-1: is this just backed up by ratings? nothing to enforce a fair trade?
joecool: it's not lunch money, that 14 year old steals his parents CC's
nubbins`: joecool: can't keep track of them all. probably.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 well, you can ask someone you trust to escrow for you, but i dunno who would want to escrow fiat.
KRS-1: thought there was a 3 way gpg key that keeps everything locked up until mutual agreement has been made
nubbins`: joecool: i actually remember that guy's nick, he posted "i have come to the realization that i am poor" or something yesterday
nubbins`: of course you're poor, you're a child
KRS-1: ok thanks guys for your input i'm sure i'll figure something out
nubbins`: KRS-1: i believe there is some sort of escrow-type transaction you can do if you involve a third party. not sure the details, and then you've gotta trust the escrow as well
joecool: nubbins`: the best was when he loaned money to a heroin addict :)
kakobrekla: i wonder if satoshi square can provide over 100btc volume
joecool: yeah i dunno what's more wrong with that picture
KRS-1: damn heh BTC is in dire need of money services
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 the first step would be, of course, to get in the wot already.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.00589999 = 0.8319 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: hm, anyone ever use .par files before?
nubbins`: (in the context of repairing bad .rar files)
pankkake: a long time ago. something isn't working?
firedrops: newsbin used to unpar them for me. Should be a single. .RAR in there somewhere.
pankkake: " Long-term value of one bitcoin (10 years) " => someone's doing a 10 year bet? that's also betting bitbet will be around in 10 years :)
joecool: it'll tell you if you have enough parity to do it
nubbins`: oh, i'm not having any problems
nubbins`: was just wondering if one could reconstruct a rar using ONLY pars
truffles: joecool can they temp close and reopen?
nubbins`: can't find any solid info on the limitations in this regard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
KRS-1: <gribble> Request successful for user KRS-1
nubbins`: implication being that parity-checks generally aren't considered to infringe on copyrights
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1304 @ 0.00109214 = 1.4242 BTC [-] {10}
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
pankkake: in theory yes, you can brute force anything (ask miners!)
pankkake: I guess you could find a practical enough ratio of missing data
pankkake: it would be very expensive to inspect files
nubbins`: well, i mean, in general you need something to check parity against, y'know?
nubbins`: like, if you had one rar out of 100 and you had 99 pars, would you be able to reconstruct everything?
pankkake: I don't know the details enough but I would think not
nubbins`: yeah. really hard to find concrete info on the limitations
kakobrekla: speaking of that 10 year bet, the bets are limited to 1 year afaik, the bet shall not pass!
pankkake: I thought so. I tried to create some "in 2014" bets but the interface wouldn't let me
pankkake: though it was only the js, I didn't try to submit
kakobrekla: everything is checked by mods so even if it goes through...
pankkake: so I'll wait to create those :)
pankkake: yeah, but I was surprised it wasn't rejected for that reason
pankkake: in other news my bitbet performance has quickly dropped :( perhaps I could count out my "hedge" bets but…
kakobrekla: someone should make some "track this person" interfuck
nubbins`: so we took these idiots to court, and they lost, but when i was trying to file an order with the sheriff's office today, i learned that three of them just refused delivery of the court decision, so now i have to wait until some other sort of deadline has passed
kakobrekla: so you find someone who makes good bets and just copy the motherfucker
KRS-1: <gribble> Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user KRS-1
pankkake: well I do that now with the stats
pankkake: on one bet I had a "omg who is stupid enough to bet this" moment, clicked stats, and the guy was losing most of his bet, so… :)
nubbins`: "click here to share your poor decisions with friends"
nubbins`: yeah, some of the guys betting on sports know what they're doing
nubbins`: which reminds me, "casino bitcoin" is doing another IPO on havelock this coming monday
KRS-1: 3 more coming i think too
pankkake: the guys using it love bets in general (lesswrong/overcomingbias community)
pankkake: actually I told one of them about bitbet!
pankkake: well you have to register, because there would be no shame in losing otherwise
pankkake: "Bitcoin without Satoshi is like Apple without Jobs" :|
kakobrekla: theres 2 services that could be built on top of it
kakobrekla: im saying this here cause i know theres a bunch of you people here that can code and do nothing
uglux: naah bitcoin is paypal without jobs :>
nubbins`: got promoted to senior programmer/analyst 6 months before i retired!
Namworld: Did you retire because you were getting old or because of BTC?
pankkake: I can code but have daily headaches :/ though finally made some progress today… at least I hope
nubbins`: because it was no fun and each morning it was a struggle to get out of bed and face the day
nubbins`: i sucked it up and quit, never been happier.
pankkake: I like programming, but not for other people
nubbins`: although technically we're all getting old
pankkake: so what kind of services are you thinking of, or is it a secret? :p
kakobrekla: not a secreat at all, i just told you about one
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin will hit $300 before Christmas
kakobrekla: make a site when one can login, deposit coins and set the output addresses that he wants to follow with bets
kakobrekla: the other is you can make a maket where people sell or buy their positions from the bets table
pankkake: ooh, ok. I didn't understand it that way :)
kakobrekla: in the second case, you just make it so they use winning address that you provide to them
kakobrekla: once the bet is confirmed you can accredit it to their account on your site
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00224945 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 494 @ 0.00109 = 0.5385 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i got another "you just sold a bunch of shit for below cost" email from coingig.
nubbins`: you'd think that for a "sell shit for btc" website, they'd, you know, STORE THE PRICE OF ITEMS IN BTC
nubbins`: you set item price at, say, 1 btc
nubbins`: it saves the current usd equivalent of 1 btc
nubbins`: and then auto-adjusts the btc price as the rate changes
the20year1: but bitcoin is what matters, who cares about USD?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago. <<< yes and fixing that was reasonable i don't think they should be riced further to detriment of other stuff.
jurov: *but i don't think
kakobrekla: bitesak_ he describes a market maker which defo should help with such setup i described
bitesak_: indeed, specifically you are pointing to the ability of getting out of your bet before settlement?
kakobrekla: mening one can get out early or get in late
firedrops: pardon my ignorance, but isn't tradehill shutterred right now? where would one hedge with bitbet currently?
kakobrekla: tradehill, thats kenna scammy exchange
kakobrekla: or did he switch to something else again
kakobrekla: obvioulsy on the PREMIER predictions market predictious.com
firedrops: basically, does that trilema article system work against a tradehill alternative?
firedrops: ha, I haven't investiaged, but your attitude tells me they are not premier :)
kakobrekla: firedrops tradehill is like mtgox, bitstamp...
firedrops: thanks kako, a bunch of forums ppl say cryptoexchange...
firedrops: good question, their site won't load... anywho. bitbet for now. unless someone knows a tradehill alternative?
kakobrekla: ok for the third time, bitbet doesnt do what tradehill does
kakobrekla: for that matter i dunno if tradehill even does anything
kakobrekla: but they are suppose to be btc/usd exchange
kakobrekla: if you are buying or selling btc - bitbet will do you no good
firedrops: nope, I was trying to folow that comment from MP on trilema...
kakobrekla: if you are betting on stuff, tradehill or whatever site will not do you any good
kakobrekla: but he is not talking about heding btcusd
imsaguy: because if you didn't, I was about to.
imsaguy: holy balls have people gone stupid.
firedrops: that's would assume knowledge at some point...
imsaguy: oh wait, they don't ban the scammers
imsaguy: just label them and let them keep coming back
kakobrekla: imsaguy they dont ban nor tag them anymore
kakobrekla: i pissed the morning piss on garr for a week and he gets all butthurt and calls his shill to the rescue. the rest is clear.
imsaguy: you got banned for calling someone out?
imsaguy: so they banned you and didn't keep the thread?
pankkake: you were the cog in the machine!
kakobrekla: i just hate all the fuckin pretending.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00082714 = 4.4252 BTC [+]
chaang-noi: #mtgox is on fire... cant get out fiat, cant get out BTC cuz double spends... lol
chaang-noi: kakobrekla you got banned from bitcointalk.org?
ozbot: [Photo] First of 2013 Casascius Silver Coins Now Available For Sale
nubbins`: i hate to put the screws to the guy, but it's gotten ridiculous
nubbins`: i'll sell you some of mine for the right price ;)
chaang-noi: im going to start selling some of my casasicus stuff... too much in it
nubbins`: the buy market is pretty thin, they're high-ticket items in terms of fiat
dexX7: it's christmas soon, such things are wonderful gifts
nubbins`: yeah, no sense selling at a loss or anything like that
nubbins`: best offers i've gotten so far are like 1% over face value
nubbins`: i peeled the holo off one just to aggravate people in -otc ;p
dexX7: do you have casacius silver coins and if so, for what price do you sell them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1253 BTC [-]
nubbins`: yes i do, and it depends on the coin
nubbins`: the rare ones, i generally don't even bother giving people quotes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12520001 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the thing is someone from the mods told me that badbear was planning a ban attack
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 1724 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.6390% in 10d 22h 3m 34s
kakobrekla: then i pmed badbear and sent him to fuck off
kakobrekla: and new thread was in the mod section "who is leaking this shit"
kakobrekla: cause i caused him great pain while he was just doing his duties
kakobrekla: apparently one must poses just the right amounts of scam and shil to be able to sustain on the forum
nubbins`: neither of those 2 links is correct
joecool: ` is the mark of the scammer on OTC
joecool: how much shit did they give you so far? :)
nubbins`: besides, 'mark of the beast' or not, the functionality is obv broken
nubbins`: oh, it's my client doing that, isn't it
imsaguy: ;;gettrust "nubbins`" imsaguy
nubbins`: i hate to call people out publicly, up to the point where i don't hate it at all, y'know what i mean?
kakobrekla: too bad the whole coin thingy is pointless
nubbins`: well, y'know. tell me that 4 months ago :P
gribble: Time since last block: 35 minutes and 26 seconds
imsaguy: seriously, his prices are crazy
imsaguy: and anyone that has bought them is... dumb.
imsaguy: thank you for confirming my statement.
nubbins`: i'm a coin collector; i collect coins
imsaguy: do you collect car wash tokens?
nubbins`: imsaguy: i do, indeed, collect tokens
imsaguy: let me guess, you also collected beany babies and pogs
imsaguy: you're the tard that's collecting, not me
nubbins`: such overwhelming feelings of shame
nubbins`: if only i'd asked some random dickhead for advice!
nubbins`: imsaguy: mind if i send you a PM the next time i need advice on something? you obv know what you're doing
pankkake: I have the hoarder/collector bug
nubbins`: nah, i do a big purge every few years
nubbins`: imsaguy: seriously, you'd be a great mentor
nubbins`: your words imply deep wisdom and knowledge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00082907 = 7.4616 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108802 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
nubbins`: no withdrawing BTC from virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.12259 = 0.3678 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ^ at that rate, CFIG's second IPO on monday is gonna be a tough sell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.625 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00599905 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: the "c" could stand for consulting
nubbins`: and you just give people advice about IPOs
nubbins`: well, that's the thing about advice
ozbot: Actively Disengaged #96 – Theory In Practice | Actively Disengaged
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.006 = 0.162 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i dont find that comic site funny at all
nubbins`: go (or baduk as i was introduced to it) is fun, but nobody knows how to play
kakobrekla: was even in the shop looking for a physical version
nubbins`: you need good pieces, plastic won't do
nubbins`: i've got a set of polished stone ones, they weigh a ton
nubbins`: very satisfying "clack" when you slap em down
gribble: Time since last block: 46 minutes and 13 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2489 @ 0.00109499 = 2.7254 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i guess that's what gribs checks
nubbins`: okay, i need to burn some screens, bbl
pankkake: looks like there was an orphaned block
nubbins`: oh and the mailman just dropped off a money order from one of the deadbeats, so woo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1361 @ 0.00109499 = 1.4903 BTC [+]
firedrops: pircea_momescu, you seems familiar, yet foreign...
☟︎ pankkake: though I shouldn't make it reply without a question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 495 @ 0.00109499 = 0.542 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.12373741 = 1.7323 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
jimmybob: Active mining to bring 50th online tommrow. buy buy buy!!!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.006 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: wrong chan dude, #bitcoin-pump is for you
KRS-1: pircea_momescu looks familiary but I can't quite place it..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1024 @ 0.00108765 = 1.1138 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1953 @ 0.00108626 = 2.1215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.006 = 0.186 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00082653 = 0.6612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082605 = 24.5337 BTC [-] {3}
Rts: Can anyone tell me - is it possible for round eyes to invest in 796??
Rts: my apologies. I mean, is it possible for westerners to acquire shares of 796.com?
joecool: round eyes do not zerg rush
joecool: chinese are IRL zerg rushers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 44494 @ 0.00010435 = 4.6429 BTC [-] {18}
joecool: do we have any chinese BTC knockoff yet?
joecool: didn't think that was distinctly chinese
Rts: I believe so, that _Chinese_ wannabe
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as it even sports a us flag, i;m sure it's an equal opportunity fleecer, go ahead.
Rts: No, I think it bars USers in the Prospectus
mircea_popescu: so they went to the trouble of making a us version just for nyah-nyah ? that's comedy.
the20year1: because baring investors works like that
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has been useful in that next time i'm in a bar going to approach a chick it'll be all "hey, roundeyes! fancy a drink ?"
firedrops: okay ppl. I have a coinbr account, HIM account, and finally I have 2btc. yes TWO! <--ballin'.
firedrops: but srsly, what is best investment currently?
firedrops: holy crap I missed rentalstarter entirely.... is it actually a good investment? didn't bitfunder just shutter?
the20year1: I like it, granted with BF closing i'm not sure what we're going to do
the20year1: moreso if we want to take on more investments
bubbalicious: elevator speech: he is renting out houses in the midwest..
the20year1: Pitch - We buy property, fix it up and rent it out. Then we refinance via low interest loans and move onto new properties. All properties have to have 20% ROI prior to leverage.
the20year1: Started off with $90k in funding via bitfunder, now have about $185k in assets
firedrops: so you convert all to fiat iimmediately?
mircea_popescu: so basically in july you were worth 900 btc and now you're worth 900 btc ?
mircea_popescu: o no my bad. it's not 200, it's 300. you're now woprth 600 btc.
the20year1: Some people want USD denominated projects to hedge against BTC voatility
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00658759 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {4}
the20year1: Sure, and that's the currency risk as always
mircea_popescu: i discouraged various similar ventures with the simple fx argument. imo it's yet too soon, even if the business is in principle sound.
mircea_popescu: in that you're a brave man. see you survive a coupla years somehow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00680945 = 0.1021 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: because it is tough to make 100% returns on your work only to have -50% returns in your accounting unit
the20year1: My life doesn't depend on BTC fluxuations, nor does the business. If BTC outperforms the company, then the investors get less of a return, if the company outperforms BTC then they're even happier. Regardless for non-cryptos, we'll be outperforming just about everything
mircea_popescu: other people believed their life doesn't depend on btc fluctuations.
kakobrekla: >we'll be outperforming just about everything <- even buy and hold (btc?)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well, they'll outperform 777.com at any rate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1585 @ 0.00222909 = 3.5331 BTC [+] {4}
the20year1: Is BTC at current value a bubble or a long term thing? I was told by many, many, many people when we hit $250/btc that it would only go higher
mircea_popescu: well what many people say is not likelier to be true by even more saying it.
bubbalicious: mircea_popescu: doesn't s.nsa have some of the same issues? cardano at 0.35 btc is getting more expensive by the minute.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2608 @ 0.00245484 = 6.4022 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: bubbalicious amusingly, we have the converse advantage : only corp in the world tio be able to announce a price,
bubbalicious: ok, so you have the converse issue. only an advantage if it keeps skyrocketing.
mircea_popescu: but yes, without some very expert tacking, the fx issue is a big problem for all btc corps.
firedrops: could someone give me the elevator speech for S.NSA?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the20year1, there's good fundamental reasons for the lift. i wouldn't call it a bubble. that's not to say it may not bubble yet. hopefully it won't, but 300 ain't it at anuy rate.
mircea_popescu: all the tools one needs to make 100% systems, stuff no mob and no government can crack.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm persuaded there won't be such a thing as long term btc without such a thing as nsa.
mircea_popescu: make no mistake about it, government there will ever be. whether it's the washington mob or the five families mob, it's gonna be something.
ozbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
firedrops: but it exists, excellent. moar reading, thanks.
nubbins`: you guys have a delivery date in mind for those?
pankkake: someone created a ChinaCoin some months ago
mircea_popescu: (look honey, i got you the .35 btc cardano. yet another field in which btc is moar of an advantage)
nubbins`: (thanks sweetie, what's .35 btc in fiat? oh, lel, my goodness)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: silkscreened certificate of some sort would be a nice thing to find inside the box, cough cough
KRS-1: mircea_popescu: your evil counterpart pircea_mopescu was in here earlier lol
bubbalicious: nubbins`: stop trying to cut into the profit margins :)
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: bubbalicious: i could say the same to you
nubbins`: besides, nice packaging makes people feel like they've bought something valuable
mircea_popescu: you know, this dispute between investors and subcontractors is the halmark of a functioning economy.
nubbins`: bubbalicious just doesn't realize what he wants
nubbins`: it's my job to try to show him
nubbins`: oh and if you were wondering, the trick to a good stew is to add some finely chopped potato right at the start
bubbalicious: well, if packaging matters than somebody needs to css nosuchlabs.com
nubbins`: what are you gonna do, hang an XML fragment on your wall?
nubbins`: "sweet, there's a usb stick with some awesome graphics inside the box!"
nubbins`: "a lot of care must have been put into this"
pankkake: that's why I need lots of them!
mircea_popescu: it's like this : find two walls 8 inches apart. take a mouthful of milk and go bang your head in between the walls
kleeck: I swear there was a CoinTerra user on BTCTalk...
kleeck: I'm trying to find some posts from that user.
nubbins`: perhaps they vanished in a puff of logic
kleeck: Last post was on 10/31...
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kleeck: So, the last news update by HashFast was a delay due to substrates, but promising that shipping would not be delayed...
mircea_popescu: i still haven't figured out what word they misreplaced with "substrates"
nubbins`: couldn't find the DVD they backed up the schematics to?
mircea_popescu: TAT_Investments the leading hypothesis is that they mean their chip packager fucked up.
mircea_popescu: (to make a chip you take etched silicone/metal wafers and encase them in some plastic)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66998998 BTC [+]
kleeck: So they should've just said, "Hey, we completely fucked up our chips."
mircea_popescu: something like this : if your distribution craps out your car is not "totally wrecked", nevertheless it;'s weird to say yo uhave a problem with the "showerheads"
kleeck: All I know is, in biology, if your substrates are fucked up YOU are fucked up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought most chips in the field are flatpacks/quads
the20year1: my brother's failure rate on them has been quite low overall, around 0.25%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082467 = 6.2263 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]
nubbins`: yep, R2 knew the soldering iron intimately
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 140 @ 0.00689998 = 0.966 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in fact, if they had the sense to install cameras it'd prolly be a buck less.
benkay: will it ever make sense again to actually buy land, given the returns acruing to btc?
mircea_popescu: once btc reaches its pleateau things get back to normal
benkay: why is a plateau the steady-state?
benkay: i guess just a really shallow increase
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay at some point the btc will trade more or less for (total world assets)/(total btc in circulation)
mircea_popescu: at that point fixed assets prices become again stable in btc.
benkay: as i suspected, argentinian REIT is doa.
benkay: is anyone tracking troy gold denominated in btc?
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nubbins`: oh n/m, the ticker doesn't change to btc
nubbins`: literally just googling "gold btc" here
benkay: not exactly a model of information presentation...
nubbins`: i've had good dealings with amagi
benkay: gotta love the clarity of units
benkay: coinabuls charts appear to be completely fscked
benkay: yes plz will buy butts at 130
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benkay: i hope other idiots do too
benkay: ;;ticker --market --all
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['btcde', 'mtgox', 'btcavg', 'bitstamp', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitfinex', 'all', 'btce', 'btcn'].
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 311.70100, vol: 85291.17094261 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 292.89, vol: 50109.30993984 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 282.563, vol: 35924.37193 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.983897084
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency XAU
gribble: Error: Only USD averages supported.
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency EUR
gribble: Error: Only USD averages supported.
benkay: ;;ticker --market all --currency USD
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 312.00000, vol: 85308.66393263 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.17, vol: 50115.09916200 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.599, vol: 35941.52011 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.847037586
benkay: does nano operate gribble?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00608999 = 0.609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.624 = 1.872 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.615 = 2.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00612425 = 0.392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00015 = 0.45 BTC [-]